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What criteria do the Crabs use for their invitational tournaments? I notice they exclude certain teams that are of a high caliber and invite other clubs that are marginal (I understand the quality of clubs year to year)...they seems to invite teams and bracket them so Crabs are guaranteed a semi final or final slot...Crabs are a good team but the owner seems more focused on marketing his brand than making the boys better or getting the best talent in his tourneys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What criteria do the Crabs use for their invitational tournaments? I notice they exclude certain teams that are of a high caliber and invite other clubs that are marginal (I understand the quality of clubs year to year)...they seems to invite teams and bracket them so Crabs are guaranteed a semi final or final slot...Crabs are a good team but the owner seems more focused on marketing his brand than making the boys better or getting the best talent in his tourneys

LOL. I am not with the Crabs, but that is a ridiculous statement. Take a look at the caliber of teams that were at Crabfeast:

Breakers
Crabs
CT Chargers
Dukes
Greene Turtle South
Laxachusetts
Express
Madlax
Sweet Lax

Those are some of the best teams in that class. Everyone knows that Breakers/Aloha stacks their tournaments to help their teams get to the playoffs. I didn't see the Crabs putting themselves in the weakest bracket possible.

Stop crying just because your son's team didn't get invited to a Crabs tournament.

Whoa..why attack the breakers. Maybe we should skip the Crab tournaments and go elsewhere.

Originally Posted by CageSage

This thread will be used to carry news and discussions covering the Crabs Lacrosse program.

The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit.

The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit that pays for the owners mortgage, childrens tuition and BCC membership....LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

This thread will be used to carry news and discussions covering the Crabs Lacrosse program.

The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit.

The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit that pays for the owners mortgage, childrens tuition and BCC membership....LOL

Too many readers misunderstand the actual meaning of non-profit 501(c)(3) entities. One thing it does not mean is that there are no salaries being paid. It does imply a federal tax filing status.

501(c)(3) � Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations

501(c)(3) exemptions apply to corporations, and any community chest, fund, cooperating association or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, to foster national or international amateur sports competition, to promote the arts, or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals.[14][15] There are also supporting organizations which are often referred to in shorthand form as "Friends of" organizations.[16][17][18][19][20]

Another provision, 26 U.S.C. � 170, provides a deduction, for federal income tax purposes, for some donors who make charitable contributions to most types of 501(c)(3) organizations, among others. Regulations specify which such deductions must be verifiable to be allowed (e.g., receipts for donations over $250). Due to the tax deductions associated with donations, loss of 501(c)(3) status can be highly challenging to a charity's continued operation, as many foundations and corporate matching programs do not grant funds to a charity without such status, and individual donors often do not donate to such a charity due to the unavailability of the deduction.

The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit that pays for the owners mortgage, childrens tuition and BCC membership....LOL [/quote]

I think this post is both not accurate and is unfair. Yes, most club teams are 501-C-3 non-profits. And that is to manage the club. Inflows are player fees and outflows are fields rentals, insurance, coaches compensation, swag and other hard expenses to administer the club. Crabs is one of those among many.

It is true that in addition to the non-profit to run a club status, that the same club owners have a second and separate entity that is a for profit enterprise to run showcase events and/or tournaments. Many club owners do this...Adrenaline, Crabs, Madlax, Trilogy, etc. Yes, having a for profit side is maybe something people have an issue with since the club owners do profit well by it, but in fairness this is all transparent to you and all others. I see a point to your arguments, but to impute that Crabs guy or others are doing something wrong or possibly illegal is way off. They are working a system and the system is flush with cash to be had. The American way.

I agree with this post fully. When a team is for profit you know what you are getting up front. These daddy run smaller clubs hang on to kids because they know the kids dad or mom for 3 or 4 years. They also beg the better players to stay with there club and give them a hard time when they want to go play with a Crabs,VLC or Madlax. Even though the player is a AA level player. The gym you go to takes 85$ a month and no one is mad at them. All the big clubs put there fees on ther websites for you to see.

I am interested in how many of the Crabs are age appropriate or hold-backs...the Long Island board keeps pointing to them as the biggest benefactors of holding players back and getting a competitive advantage. I don't agree but can someone put numbers up to quiet the Long Island lax folks

It depends. Through U15 they are age appropriate. Like most other clubs and tournaments, they use 9/1 as the cutoff. A 7th grader with a birthday in Aug 2000 or earlier would play U15 for them. Once this same kid gets to High School, he would play with the 2019 team regardless of DOB.

8 or 9 of the 2017 team are holdbacks and 2 of those players should be juniors. Fair right ? Pretty sad when freshmen can drive to their own games.

The use of "age appropriate" is interesting.
8th grade year is when most reclassings occur. The U15 age group allows kids old enough to be in 2017 class, current ninth graders, yet they are "age appropriate" for U15, provided they don't play JV.

How many kids on Crabs U15 are old enough to be in 2017 grad yr, born before 9/1/99? How many reclassed or did a pre-first year?

LI Dad here--

Yes, there has been alot of complaining about holdbacks. For the 2018 graduating class, how old are the boys on the team...same question for 2017.

If the players are age appropriate for their graduating year, then there is nothing left to say except sorry! If the 2018 graduating class boys are 1999 birthdays, and the 2017 are 1998 birthdays they are holdbacks (other than last quarter birthdays)...

truth is none of us from LI even care, until MD people start talking about how much better your teams are--similar posts regarding the recent assent of the Dukes clubs...of course kids that are one year older play better because they are bigger stronger, faster...once everyone hits 17, the advantage become less important.

So, if LI has it wrong, please explain.

Crabs have gone to a graduation year model for their 2021 and 2020 teams

50% of their 2021 team is with players that have already been held back a year and would be playing U13, not U11

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have gone to a graduation year model for their 2021 and 2020 teams

50% of their 2021 team is with players that have already been held back a year and would be playing U13, not U11

They should change their web page to say "Bigger, Faster, Stronger, Older"!!!!!!

Amazing. The Long Island parents will complain
about age differential but you'll still show up to play
at our tournaments. Please find another excuse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing. The Long Island parents will complain
about age differential but you'll still show up to play
at our tournaments. Please find another excuse.

We play anybody, playing up in age makes our kids better. It would however, be nice to choose to play up. Although, I guess we've all learned if you go to MD, your going to be playing up.
No excuses, we know the deal. What's your excuse for not be able to compete in age based tournaments that require birth certificates? Why do your teams duck those tournaments?

The age issue doesn't bother anyone in Maryland (and most of the boys are in the appropriate age brackets)...see you at Crabfeast. And this does seem to work, 2 Crabs committed to Hopkins, more D1 commits on the way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The age issue doesn't bother anyone in Maryland (and most of the boys are in the appropriate age brackets)...see you at Crabfeast. And this does seem to work, 2 Crabs committed to Hopkins, more D1 commits on the way.

Sure they do.

Yes they did and let's be honest. One was a B level player in his own age group 2 years ago and had to reclass to be remotely competitive and the other could/should be a junior by now. Yes it's working great and you can have all the credit. Lots for this club to be proud of! Haha. I'm sure the majority of MD parents are happy to have you speak for them.

It is particularly classless to attack the kids. Are you trying to make an argument that Hopkins offers out to B level players? Give it a rest. Our son plays for a rival club and goes to the same school and is in the same local circles with many of the Crabs kids and we know the families. There are a few holdback kids on that team, yes. And that is in a minority. In our son's class are five Crabs kids who are 14. Why the personal attacks? You think Ryan McClernan runs lousy tournaments? Really? Clubs all across the country flock to his events, they are well run, they are well priced at about $1500 per team (without the Adrenaline $300 "player fee" on top of the $2000 team fee piling on), the Crabs owner keeps it tight and well run with best officials (no cattle calls with 60 teams in each age group stuffed in a venue). Oh, and HE hires a videographer and gives a free copy to the college coaches who attend his events and sells game tapes to the clubs at a very reasonable rate. One D1 coach we know was very complimentary of the game videos con gratis. Really, McClernan is nothing relative in this market to criticize.

Sounded to me like it was just a comment on the holdbacks issue and how unfair it is to teams who don't use them a regular basis and that bragging about the 2 commit that are holdbacks just makes the point even clearer for us. I don't see any mention of the clubs tournaments. But you sure seem pretty defensive of him and the club. Gotta wonder why? Protecting the kids I get but wow sounds like a man crush to me! Keep up the good work for the cause!

No one is picking on the crab organization or the tournaments they run. Express team my son plays with was happy to be invited to young gunz and completely agree that was a well run, well attended program.

I think what get's the LI people going (only some of them)is the reclass/holdback argument. I also don't think it is fair (not sure this approach for lax pays off in the end), but hoenstly don't care enough to worry about it.

Look forward to playing crabs every year, and this year is no different.

I think we would beat your 2018 team more often if you didn't have a phenomenal goalie...

Just for clarification, there is NO Crabs 2018 team. There is a U15AA and a U15A (Hardshells). These teams play in tournaments where all kids are 9/1/1999 or younger.

Yes, sorry, we played the U-13 team at Crabfest last summer...

the U15 team has a middie who should be a 10th grader but is in 8th grade...how does that work?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just for clarification, there is NO Crabs 2018 team. There is a U15AA and a U15A (Hardshells). These teams play in tournaments where all kids are 9/1/1999 or younger.

u-15 is 9-1-1998

Stop it. Their tourneys are all age-based at U15, not grad year based. I doubt any player on that team is 8/31/98 or older.

There is currently no way to verify that the birthdate specs are obeyed, correct? Football posts rosters with ID photos. These IDs are obtained by sending birth certificate in to league, where we live, anyway. I realize that this will not happen too soon, but boy what a help this would be. I guess that for now we rely upon the honesty of coaches and parents. where could THAT go wrong?!?!?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is currently no way to verify that the birthdate specs are obeyed, correct? Football posts rosters with ID photos. These IDs are obtained by sending birth certificate in to league, where we live, anyway. I realize that this will not happen too soon, but boy what a help this would be. I guess that for now we rely upon the honesty of coaches and parents. where could THAT go wrong?!?!?!

MD teams play down, always have. Go to the U-15 Championship produce the birth certificates. Reach the finals against kids the same age, and I'll never say another word about age. YOUR CLUB WON'T do it. By the way, try doing it without using kids from 10 different states.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is currently no way to verify that the birthdate specs are obeyed, correct? Football posts rosters with ID photos. These IDs are obtained by sending birth certificate in to league, where we live, anyway. I realize that this will not happen too soon, but boy what a help this would be. I guess that for now we rely upon the honesty of coaches and parents. where could THAT go wrong?!?!?!

MD teams play down, always have. Go to the U-15 Championship produce the birth certificates. Reach the finals against kids the same age, and I'll never say another word about age. YOUR CLUB WON'T do it. By the way, try doing it without using kids from 10 different states.

Said the Dad whose son was clobbered by the Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is currently no way to verify that the birthdate specs are obeyed, correct? Football posts rosters with ID photos. These IDs are obtained by sending birth certificate in to league, where we live, anyway. I realize that this will not happen too soon, but boy what a help this would be. I guess that for now we rely upon the honesty of coaches and parents. where could THAT go wrong?!?!?!

MD teams play down, always have. Go to the U-15 Championship produce the birth certificates. Reach the finals against kids the same age, and I'll never say another word about age. YOUR CLUB WON'T do it. By the way, try doing it without using kids from 10 different states.

I find this debate so fascinating... There is no resolution coming (or at least it appears so) so this will continue to be a circular conversation.

The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.

Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.

LI cutoff is dec 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.

Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.

Us lacrosse uses 9.1 too FYI as their cut off date.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.

Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.

here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.

Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.

here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow

In my opinion, the issue of freshman being recruited has made the cut off age a very hot topic. Just a yr or 2 ago they were recruiting jrs and face it jrs have matured a bit and are playing varsity. So colleges were generally looking at kids playing kids in their own geographic area with same age cut off dates. Everything good. Now flash forward to today where coaches need to see kids play on travel teams where cutoff dates are different and the kids from ny play much older kids in Maryland. Not fair but it is what it is. So I think this is just the beginning of seeing ny players reclassify sometime before 9th grade. Personally, we saw this coming from having older players and chose our child to repeat 8th grade. All doors are open for our child literally. We really don't care what our fellow LIers think because we know we did the right thing for our child. So my words of wisdom to players with late bdays in ny, if you don't align your child's bday with the rest of the hotbeds then accept the consequences and don't cry about it. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.

Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.

here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow

In my opinion, the issue of freshman being recruited has made the cut off age a very hot topic. Just a yr or 2 ago they were recruiting jrs and face it jrs have matured a bit and are playing varsity. So colleges were generally looking at kids playing kids in their own geographic area with same age cut off dates. Everything good. Now flash forward to today where coaches need to see kids play on travel teams where cutoff dates are different and the kids from ny play much older kids in Maryland. Not fair but it is what it is. So I think this is just the beginning of seeing ny players reclassify sometime before 9th grade. Personally, we saw this coming from having older players and chose our child to repeat 8th grade. All doors are open for our child literally. We really don't care what our fellow LIers think because we know we did the right thing for our child. So my words of wisdom to players with late bdays in ny, if you don't align your child's bday with the rest of the hotbeds then accept the consequences and don't cry about it. It is what it is.

Or to put it a little differently, your son could not compete at his age. So you gamed the system and had him go down and play with the little kids. A very honorable choice for the sport. You should be very proud of what you taught your son. No chance this lesson you taught him will have any negative impact on his own decision making process in his adult life? Right? Ya know, just do anything to get ahead. Just as long as you're not breaking any specific rule, it's ok. That mind set should serve your son well in life. Sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.

Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.

here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow

In my opinion, the issue of freshman being recruited has made the cut off age a very hot topic. Just a yr or 2 ago they were recruiting jrs and face it jrs have matured a bit and are playing varsity. So colleges were generally looking at kids playing kids in their own geographic area with same age cut off dates. Everything good. Now flash forward to today where coaches need to see kids play on travel teams where cutoff dates are different and the kids from ny play much older kids in Maryland. Not fair but it is what it is. So I think this is just the beginning of seeing ny players reclassify sometime before 9th grade. Personally, we saw this coming from having older players and chose our child to repeat 8th grade. All doors are open for our child literally. We really don't care what our fellow LIers think because we know we did the right thing for our child. So my words of wisdom to players with late bdays in ny, if you don't align your child's bday with the rest of the hotbeds then accept the consequences and don't cry about it. It is what it is.

Or to put it a little differently, your son could not compete at his age. So you gamed the system and had him go down and play with the little kids. A very honorable choice for the sport. You should be very proud of what you taught your son. No chance this lesson you taught him will have any negative impact on his own decision making process in his adult life? Right? Ya know, just do anything to get ahead. Just as long as you're not breaking any specific rule, it's ok. That mind set should serve your son well in life. Sad.

You, my friend, have just fallen into the whining catagory. You're pathetic!

Who cares what other parents do with their kids. Keep your side of the street in order. I'm sure parents are really concerned with what the NY parents think when they reclassify their kid. Hmmmm hold my kid back which may enable him a better opportunity to get into a really great academic school thru lacrosse which the extra year of maturity will help with....or make my decision based off the feelings of a NY parents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Us lacrosse uses 9.1 too FYI as their cut off date.

Again, take it back to the real issue...the late/early birthday cutoff is one thing, there will always be someone a year older on the team no matter the cutoff. The issue here is the early cutoff AND hold back, PG, reclassifying, (whatever you choose to call it) Its a problem during the "maturation" years. Justify it, complain about it, whatever... its not a level playing field at those ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow

I think we in MD and you in LI are on borrowed time. I have a 2017 and agree that the NY, Phila, MD/DC corridor just dominates, then there is a material drop in skill, depth of talent and lacrosse IQ outside these hotbeds. I also have a U-13 player and can assure you that there is little drop in quality from the hotbed teams to the warm state emerging teams...especially the Denver, Atlanta, Florida and California regions. East Coast dominance still exists with the 2017s and up, but it is on borrowed time at the youth levels rising now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think we in MD and you in LI are on borrowed time. I have a 2017 and agree that the NY, Phila, MD/DC corridor just dominates, then there is a material drop in skill, depth of talent and lacrosse IQ outside these hotbeds. I also have a U-13 player and can assure you that there is little drop in quality from the hotbed teams to the warm state emerging teams...especially the Denver, Atlanta, Florida and California regions. East Coast dominance still exists with the 2017s and up, but it is on borrowed time at the youth levels rising now.

This is precisely what the data supplied by BOTC has been suggesting. The conventional hotbed representation in the NCAA Division I pool this year decreased from 57% to 54% and while some readers relegate this to a single year statistical variation, BOTC thinks that this is a major tipping point.

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Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think we in MD and you in LI are on borrowed time. I have a 2017 and agree that the NY, Phila, MD/DC corridor just dominates, then there is a material drop in skill, depth of talent and lacrosse IQ outside these hotbeds. I also have a U-13 player and can assure you that there is little drop in quality from the hotbed teams to the warm state emerging teams...especially the Denver, Atlanta, Florida and California regions. East Coast dominance still exists with the 2017s and up, but it is on borrowed time at the youth levels rising now.

This is precisely what the data supplied by BOTC has been suggesting. The conventional hotbed representation in the NCAA Division I pool this year decreased from 57% to 54% and while some readers relegate this to a single year statistical variation, BOTC thinks that this is a major tipping point.

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this is the second time "sage", a soccer expert, has put up this chart. The first thing that comes to mind is that it is a chart of 2017 players, Freshman. This chart is telling us that before season starts that N.J is taking over as a hotbed over L.I. because, as of February, there is a little over 3% swing in Jerseys' favor in D1 recruiting and he is willing to call this a trend. The other 2 big gainers are Canada and Cali. Canada is no shocker because Lacrosse was the national sport for decades before they changed it to hockey back in the 80's if I'm not mistaken. Cali is a surprise but if you take there 1.4% combined with the other non-traditional, non east coast regions on this list Ohio at -0.7% and colorado -0.1% you come up with a whopping +2.2% gain in freshman recruits in "non traditional" areas as of February. I for one would not consider that a trend until at least that percentage becomes common for high school juniors for at least 2 years. As of today for 2015 recruits the same % from the mentioned areas is about 0.18% . Long Island alone is 0.123%. not exactly a threat

[/quote]this is the second time "sage", a soccer expert, has put up this chart. The first thing that comes to mind is that it is a chart of 2017 players, Freshman. This chart is telling us that before season starts that N.J is taking over as a hotbed over L.I. because, as of February, there is a little over 3% swing in Jerseys' favor in D1 recruiting and he is willing to call this a trend. The other 2 big gainers are Canada and Cali. Canada is no shocker because Lacrosse was the national sport for decades before they changed it to hockey back in the 80's if I'm not mistaken. Cali is a surprise but if you take there 1.4% combined with the other non-traditional, non east coast regions on this list Ohio at -0.7% and colorado -0.1% you come up with a whopping +2.2% gain in freshman recruits in "non traditional" areas as of February. I for one would not consider that a trend until at least that percentage becomes common for high school juniors for at least 2 years. As of today for 2015 recruits the same % from the mentioned areas is about 0.18% . Long Island alone is 0.123%. not exactly a threat [/quote]

With due respect, your post has a few inaccuracies. Lacrosse has never been above hockey in Canada in terms of participation or following. It is accurate that hockey was discovered and played in Thunder Bay Canada nearly a century before hockey was an organized sport in Canada. You are correct that the box game became Canada's secondary winter sport in the 1980's and is immensely popular since.

My point was there is a material edge to the LI, Phila, MD/DC corridor in the 2017 age and up, and that this delta appears to be immaterial at the current U-13s. This corridor includes NJ...my plain error and no slight intended but Northern NJ is I feel part of the NY tri-state cluster and it is not unfair to put Southern NJ and parts of DE in the Philly cluster for simplicity. No slights intended to NJ folk, I meant the NY TO MID ATLANTIC to be a corridor in the comment, nothing more.

Sage correctly pointed out that the dominance of this corridor has been eroding, albiet in small increments, in recent years and the trend showing a lower delta of dominance for the Eastern Atlantic hotbeds is reliable and consistent. The lacrosse world is going rounder each year and that is plainly evident, and I think great for the game.

Instead of the data, use your own two eyes and check out a U-13 tourney bracket of games this Summer. It is astonishing how many great programs and coaches there are in non-hotbeds and how terrific some teams from GA, TX and CA are...among others. People like Liam Banks are changing the game in places like Alabama and Louisiana now.

LI is still fantastic and at a highest quality level. It is a mistake to take any of this as a negative onto LI. Look at it as lacrosse going from an "East Coast prep school" third tier off-the-run sport 10+ years ago at NCAA and HS levels to a "real sport". Wouldn't you feel prouder if LI was a big fish in an ocean rather than a whale stuffed into a mason jar? Game is changing. Be happy.

I nerve said Lacrosse had a larger participation than Hockey, Just that is was the national sport of Canada for decades.

As for the stats, It seems that as of this early date for recruitment for 2017 to say that L.I. influence is on the decline is a bit premature. Without even knowing where this list came from it seems a bit self serving. One thing for sure it did not come out of Laxpower which in my opinion is the only reliable source for recruits.

This being a thread for Maryland I am more surprised about all the negative numbers down your way. You have produced some of the best players to ever play the game. Whats going on down there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I nerve said Lacrosse had a larger participation than Hockey, Just that is was the national sport of Canada for decades.

As for the stats, It seems that as of this early date for recruitment for 2017 to say that L.I. influence is on the decline is a bit premature. Without even knowing where this list came from it seems a bit self serving. One thing for sure it did not come out of Laxpower which in my opinion is the only reliable source for recruits.

This being a thread for Maryland I am more surprised about all the negative numbers down your way. You have produced some of the best players to ever play the game. Whats going on down there?

What is going on down here in MD is the same thing that is going on up there LI. Baltimore is a small city about an hour away from DC (where the #s are going up small). LI has 5x the population of the state of MD. Your %s are goig down by the same delta as a percentage of the basis, or more, as compared to the other hotbed markets, DC excepted.

Get over yourselves a little. The point is valid. Lacrosse dominance in MD, LI and the rest of this corridor is declining. The non-hotbeds are rising. LI and the others will NEVER be the same in terms of figures this dominant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse dominance in MD, LI and the rest of this corridor is declining. The non-hotbeds are rising. LI and the others will NEVER be the same in terms of figures this dominant.

This precisely captures the point of our original posting. US Lacrosse is clearly more interested in expanding the game nationally than spending time on regulations in already established areas. That mission of expansion will open new areas - and therefore expose many new athletes - to the game of lacrosse.

Unless NCAA Division I programs begin launching and funding lacrosse programs at a faster rate than the expansion plans of US Lacrosse, the pressure on existing hotbeds regions will only increase.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I nerve said Lacrosse had a larger participation than Hockey, Just that is was the national sport of Canada for decades.

As for the stats, It seems that as of this early date for recruitment for 2017 to say that L.I. influence is on the decline is a bit premature. Without even knowing where this list came from it seems a bit self serving. One thing for sure it did not come out of Laxpower which in my opinion is the only reliable source for recruits.

This being a thread for Maryland I am more surprised about all the negative numbers down your way. You have produced some of the best players to ever play the game. Whats going on down there?

What is going on down here in MD is the same thing that is going on up there LI. Baltimore is a small city about an hour away from DC (where the #s are going up small). LI has 5x the population of the state of MD. Your %s are goig down by the same delta as a percentage of the basis, or more, as compared to the other hotbed markets, DC excepted.

Get over yourselves a little. The point is valid. Lacrosse dominance in MD, LI and the rest of this corridor is declining. The non-hotbeds are rising. LI and the others will NEVER be the same in terms of figures this dominant.

I think all-in-all good - as long as the sport continues to grow. Meaning more colleges make lacrosse a major sport. If there was a decline in the hotbeds and the sport became less popular than that would be alarming.

My son is friends with several of the kids on the U15 team. None of the players should be in 10th grade. Would love to know where you get your information.

Crabs have a 2021 team? Where do they play?

3d coming to maryland and doing an invite only summer high school all star team...they've already picked off a number of the top DC area club players. what team(s) are most affected? madlax, crabs, blackwolf?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have a 2021 team? Where do they play?

Hoco league

If they played npyll they would have to play u13

2018 Team 91 parent here.

Crabs are a first class organization. Love playing you guys. Too bad we don't play each other more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 Team 91 parent here.

Crabs are a first class organization. Love playing you guys. Too bad we don't play each other more.

How was the game? Who won?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have a 2021 team? Where do they play?

Hoco league

If they played npyll they would have to play u13

Why? 2021 is 11uAA

Because not all fifth graders meet the US Lacrosse birthday cutoff for U11.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have a 2021 team? Where do they play?

Hoco league

If they played npyll they would have to play u13

Why? 2021 is 11uAA

Because half of their players are aged for U13A even though they are in 5th grade

Why do you people cry about kids being 1 year older on these teams. We all want our kids to get better and play the best. And guess what when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older then them. Get over it. The other funny thing is most of these people on here are the same people who have aged there kid up a level at some point in some league because they wanted them to get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you people cry about kids being 1 year older on these teams. We all want our kids to get better and play the best. And guess what when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older then them. Get over it. The other funny thing is most of these people on here are the same people who have aged there kid up a level at some point in some league because they wanted them to get better.

You said it..."when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older than them". Much different story. Everyone is aware of it when they enter HS. when they are in 4-7th grade & parents (& coaches) are covering it up, its a problem. You can debate it all you want, at the younger ages there is an unfair advantage. LI people should stop whining about it an the southerners should stop defending it. Until someone does something about it, some ppl will take the easy way out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you people cry about kids being 1 year older on these teams. We all want our kids to get better and play the best. And guess what when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older then them. Get over it. The other funny thing is most of these people on here are the same people who have aged there kid up a level at some point in some league because they wanted them to get better.

Not sure who is complaining

The Crabs 2021 team is made up of 5th graders regardless of age. Because of this, they need to play in the HoCo/MYLA league instead of NPYLL

Come tournament time, they will have to find grade based tournaments instead of age based ones, or they can move up to U13A

I don't think they are trying to hide anything. Many people think grade based teams down to the youth level are the future of lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you people cry about kids being 1 year older on these teams. We all want our kids to get better and play the best. And guess what when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older then them. Get over it. The other funny thing is most of these people on here are the same people who have aged there kid up a level at some point in some league because they wanted them to get better.

Not sure who is complaining

The Crabs 2021 team is made up of 5th graders regardless of age. Because of this, they need to play in the HoCo/MYLA league instead of NPYLL

Come tournament time, they will have to find grade based tournaments instead of age based ones, or they can move up to U13A

I don't think they are trying to hide anything. Many people think grade based teams down to the youth level are the future of lacrosse

in my opinion grade based teams keep the age disparity at a minimum or at least the same as U11,13,15. yes there are families that hold back their kids in Kindergarten or 1st grade. Most are kids with summer bdays. and I don't know any that are held back two years. Maybe there are but I'd hope that's rare. So when you're in a grade based tournament (most have separate divisions for each grade) the bulk of kids will be in about 15 month window. Tournament that are age-based it's a double year division ie u13, u15. So you can have teams made up of predominately older kids for the age group vs teams with mostly younger kids. I've coached in leagues/tournaments with both and I think the grade based has been the best in terms of matching up size and skill

I agree with most of the people who wrote back about the crying about 1 year post. The grade based teams should be the way to go. But either format the kids are not far apart in age no matter how you look at it. The U13 and U15 age groups will always have kids a lot bigger and a lot smaller then each other. Would you people like a weight limit like football thrown in so all the kids will look the same size out there. Lacrosse is a great sport because you can make up for size with stick skills and IQ. I am sure none of these clubs are breaking the rules for the tournament they are in. I have heard of many clubs moving kids up and down to fit the format of the tournament. If your club is large enough it should be also doing this. If a kid is U15 age but in the 7th grade he should be moving back and forth based on the rules of the tournament his club is in. And the other clubs should be doing the same. So my point is when you leave the house with a U13 team to play in a grade base tournament you should be picking up some U15 kids in 7th grade or just go and get what you get and do not throw a fit. Thanks I am done with my RANT LOL

So the crabs 2021 team is really a 2020 but all held back so they can complete is a 2021 league. A true 2021 team gave no kids older than 08/31/03.

No that is not how that works. A grade based team is based on the year the kid will graduate high school. Its set up so when a scout is watching a game he will know what year the kids on that team will leave high school. Like it or not with a grad based system those are the kids from your sons class no matter if they are 1 or even 2 years older then him. Its lacrosse people the bigger older kids can not tackle your sons so everyone will live just fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No that is not how that works. A grade based team is based on the year the kid will graduate high school. Its set up so when a scout is watching a game he will know what year the kids on that team will leave high school. Like it or not with a grad based system those are the kids from your sons class no matter if they are 1 or even 2 years older then him. Its lacrosse people the bigger older kids can not tackle your sons so everyone will live just fine.

As long as your kid is the one 2 years older, ya know with the size and physical maturity to go along with it. You see, I play my kid up against kids two years older so he has to work hard and play tough. You play your kid down because you know he can't compete with kids his own age. So sad. You're probably one of those guys that calls the LI parents whiners because they just want a fair game. For those of us in MD that play with in the spirit of the rules and honor the game, you make our kids look pathetic. As if our kids can't play with kids from LI that are the same age. You're an embarrassment.

My son is on the correct U13 team and in the correct grade. The thing is if a kid is in the 7th grade no matter what year he is born my son will be going to have to beat him out or play vs. him no matter how old he is. So I would rather him start it now and find a way to get it done. We are talking about very high level teams on this forum. Not Rec. ball. I think all these kids baby egos will be find if they go 14-1 for a summer not 15-0. And the biggest part of these travel club teams is to make the player better not win games. I am upset that people think every kid that got held back a grade is up to something evil and his parents are crazy sports people.

Crabs always preach Bigger, Faster, Stronger...and a lot of times it means older...there are 2 boys in 9th grade, moving private schools over the summer and repeating 9th grade and I have no doubt they will be on the Crabs next year. More talent migrating away from Crabs to other clubs. In fact I hae seen a number of Crab players on their HS JV teams that don't pass, always shoot...all about them..that's the way they are taught in that system...forget fundamentals

Help. Where can I find stats on Maryland high school teams (St. Pauls, Boys' Latin and Calvert Hall). I'd like to see player stats with regard to goals, assists and points; other stats would be helpful too. Any suggestions?

So crabs have the Advantage with play back players if the kids are that good why not play up or just play with their own age if they are that good. Instead it is just about winning games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have gone to a graduation year model for their 2021 and 2020 teams

50% of their 2021 team is with players that have already been held back a year and would be playing U13, not U11

They should change their web page to say "Bigger, Faster, Stronger, Older"!!!!!!

Add to that "Winners"

Great day yesterday for Crabs Nation! Still on top.

How did club blue look? I heard they gained some strong players from next level.

Which age group Club Blue?

U13 Crabs beat them 12-0

2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.

You FCA parents are machines. Stop crying about not being invited to top tournaments on this forum. Talk to people face to face if you want different results.

I know a team! How about that FCA team Blue Team, I am sure they would love to play in that tournament!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.

"Respect all, Fear none" ????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.

You FCA parents are machines. Stop crying about not being invited to top tournaments on this forum. Talk to people face to face if you want different results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Respect all, Fear none" ????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.

You FCA parents are machines. Stop crying about not being invited to top tournaments on this forum. Talk to people face to face if you want different results.

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McClernan's motto is more like "Eat all, leave none"

You FCA parents are machines. Stop crying about not being invited to top tournaments on this forum. Talk to people face to face if you want different results. [/quote] [/quot

McClernan's motto is more like "Eat all, leave none" [/quote]

Cheeseburgers?

Crabs only enter tournaments with weak fields

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs only enter tournaments with weak fields

I'm no fan of Crabs, but I disagree. There are few more competitive tournaments than Crabfeast, Young Guns which is McClernan's main Summer event. He also runs the NSLCA with a few of his friendlies, and those tournaments are also first rate.

I do agree that Crabs attend tournaments that are going weaker relative to what they were, but I would account to that being competition from other tournaments and parity meaning more good teams in more places going to multiple tournaments every weekend it seems now. I also think another factor is McClernan is not liked by many others in the sport who had sand kicked in their faces for years. If there are two competing first rate tournaments, more better clubs are going to steer away from the Crabs one. It is already happening in the high school ages. The same weekend as the NSLCA Cup there was an Adrenaline tournament and nobody can argue where the best teams went. They went to the Adrenaline one.

2021 bracket should be fun

Ryan McLernan for Boys' Latin head coach. Cheeseburger Nation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan McLernan for Boys' Latin head coach. Cheeseburger Nation.

Never happen, unqualified an BL has identified
his ulterior motives. Hopefully the new coach separates
himself from that club

Any results?

What happened at Young Gunz this weekend?

The Crabs 2020AA got upened by the Rising Sons. How do we lose to a first year program from PA?? We even brought that monster down from the 2019's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened at Young Gunz this weekend?

I will tell you why, because even though Rising Sons is a first year program, they have a nice little team.

Crabs teams losing every where not the power house they once where.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs only enter tournaments with weak fields

I'm no fan of Crabs, but I disagree. There are few more competitive tournaments than Crabfeast, Young Guns which is McClernan's main Summer event. He also runs the NSLCA with a few of his friendlies, and those tournaments are also first rate.

I do agree that Crabs attend tournaments that are going weaker relative to what they were, but I would account to that being competition from other tournaments and parity meaning more good teams in more places going to multiple tournaments every weekend it seems now. I also think another factor is McClernan is not liked by many others in the sport who had sand kicked in their faces for years. If there are two competing first rate tournaments, more better clubs are going to steer away from the Crabs one. It is already happening in the high school ages. The same weekend as the NSLCA Cup there was an Adrenaline tournament and nobody can argue where the best teams went. They went to the Adrenaline one.

There is a reason this club doesn't enter a lot of out of state tournaments - they don't follow US Lacrosse rules regarding age eligibility. They had a 13 year old play for their 2020 team this weekend! Embarrassing that the organization would allow that at their own tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan McLernan for Boys' Latin head coach. Cheeseburger Nation.

Never happen, unqualified an BL has identified
his ulterior motives. Hopefully the new coach separates
himself from that club

I am not a Crab parent, but too curious. The very close relationship b/t Crabs and BL has served both very well. Crabs is basically a youth/junior high feeder program to MIAA schools and there is no mystery around McLernan's loyalties since he is a BL alum and once coached there.

McClernan is no saint, and is absolutely despised in some circles but I did not count BL as one of them. What ulterior motives? Beyond the obvious ones I can think of including use of BL fields for Crabs practices and tournaments at what I know is a friendly rate or a five finger discount, which ones would cast him in a bad light? In the end most of those loaded up BL teams historically have come from kids brought up through the Crabs system. Like all else in lacrosse that is going to change with growth and parity with FCA and Breakers coming up, but Crabs to BL to JHU is still the stranglehold. Can you enlighten us some more with your comment?

2020 crabs couldnt win with older kids at Young Guns. Pathetic!

2020 crabs coach did not even know the kids name. You should be ashamed!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs only enter tournaments with weak fields

I'm no fan of Crabs, but I disagree. There are few more competitive tournaments than Crabfeast, Young Guns which is McClernan's main Summer event. He also runs the NSLCA with a few of his friendlies, and those tournaments are also first rate.

I do agree that Crabs attend tournaments that are going weaker relative to what they were, but I would account to that being competition from other tournaments and parity meaning more good teams in more places going to multiple tournaments every weekend it seems now. I also think another factor is McClernan is not liked by many others in the sport who had sand kicked in their faces for years. If there are two competing first rate tournaments, more better clubs are going to steer away from the Crabs one. It is already happening in the high school ages. The same weekend as the NSLCA Cup there was an Adrenaline tournament and nobody can argue where the best teams went. They went to the Adrenaline one.

There is a reason this club doesn't enter a lot of out of state tournaments - they don't follow US Lacrosse rules regarding age eligibility. They had a 13 year old play for their 2020 team this weekend! Embarrassing that the organization would allow that at their own tournament.

I don't disagree with the MD reclassified point. The Crabs owner makes his living now putting on tournaments on the for profit side, and makes those tournaments more attractive by putting his elite Crabs teams in them. There is also a reason why the other elite teams in MD or DC areas don't go to out of state tournaments. The best ones are here. Who wants to sign up to go to Colorado and play in lesser tournaments at a great expense. With parity in the sport, good programs will get the memo that it is very lucrative to run tournaments. Adrenaline sure got that memo and read it. Their WCS teams no longer go to Crabs tournaments and don't seem to need to anymore.

Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.

I've been a lacrosse parent for many years, and my youngest is now entering high school. He plays on a U-15AA team which will go on to be called a 2018 team in the Fall. When did this "2020" or "2021" for kids in 5th or 6th grade stuff start as a substitute for age specific groups? It is really a disgrace to the game to let youth ages go by school years with no parameters for kids being older to have an advantage. It is downright unsafe and unsound in every regard to put 10 to 12 year old boys out there with kids that might be two years older given this repeat a grade nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.

I've been a lacrosse parent for many years, and my youngest is now entering high school. He plays on a U-15AA team which will go on to be called a 2018 team in the Fall. When did this "2020" or "2021" for kids in 5th or 6th grade stuff start as a substitute for age specific groups? It is really a disgrace to the game to let youth ages go by school years with no parameters for kids being older to have an advantage. It is downright unsafe and unsound in every regard to put 10 to 12 year old boys out there with kids that might be two years older given this repeat a grade nonsense.

my son's grade based (with 1 holdback) team played in age-based tournament in B division. we played some primarily 7th grade teams that played down into B instead of AA or A and the size advantage was huge. So the age based events and leagues with have as much or more age gaps than grade. Not saying parents don't hold back for sports or certain clubs and high schools don't take advantage. But most kids are held back when they're 5 and have birthdays within a few months of the age cutoff. So grade based events will have the majority of kids fall within 15 month window.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.

I've been a lacrosse parent for many years, and my youngest is now entering high school. He plays on a U-15AA team which will go on to be called a 2018 team in the Fall. When did this "2020" or "2021" for kids in 5th or 6th grade stuff start as a substitute for age specific groups? It is really a disgrace to the game to let youth ages go by school years with no parameters for kids being older to have an advantage. It is downright unsafe and unsound in every regard to put 10 to 12 year old boys out there with kids that might be two years older given this repeat a grade nonsense.

my son's grade based (with 1 holdback) team played in age-based tournament in B division. we played some primarily 7th grade teams that played down into B instead of AA or A and the size advantage was huge. So the age based events and leagues with have as much or more age gaps than grade. Not saying parents don't hold back for sports or certain clubs and high schools don't take advantage. But most kids are held back when they're 5 and have birthdays within a few months of the age cutoff. So grade based events will have the majority of kids fall within 15 month window.

I am 45 and am well aware since I was a kid that some parents have a kid do a pre-K year when they are five. The statistics for that are not mind boggling like they are in youth lacrosse. You are plainly incorrect that most of these kids fall in a 15 month window, or you have never been to Maryland and are not informed. U-9, U-11, U-13 & U-15. If you want to break that up make it 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 & 15. The point is this parental self esteem building strategy to have kids restrained for an advantage isn't just an advantage to have a debate on. It is also a serious safety risk.

Back in the day, the exceptional kids and bragging parents played their kids up at the same safety risks noted here...I have at least some respect for that decision. Sending a 12 year old in with 10 year olds is crass, classless and unsporting for any parent to do or any organization to tolerate or encourage. Shame on Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.

I've been a lacrosse parent for many years, and my youngest is now entering high school. He plays on a U-15AA team which will go on to be called a 2018 team in the Fall. When did this "2020" or "2021" for kids in 5th or 6th grade stuff start as a substitute for age specific groups? It is really a disgrace to the game to let youth ages go by school years with no parameters for kids being older to have an advantage. It is downright unsafe and unsound in every regard to put 10 to 12 year old boys out there with kids that might be two years older given this repeat a grade nonsense.

my son's grade based (with 1 holdback) team played in age-based tournament in B division. we played some primarily 7th grade teams that played down into B instead of AA or A and the size advantage was huge. So the age based events and leagues with have as much or more age gaps than grade. Not saying parents don't hold back for sports or certain clubs and high schools don't take advantage. But most kids are held back when they're 5 and have birthdays within a few months of the age cutoff. So grade based events will have the majority of kids fall within 15 month window.

I am 45 and am well aware since I was a kid that some parents have a kid do a pre-K year when they are five. The statistics for that are not mind boggling like they are in youth lacrosse. You are plainly incorrect that most of these kids fall in a 15 month window, or you have never been to Maryland and are not informed. U-9, U-11, U-13 & U-15. If you want to break that up make it 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 & 15. The point is this parental self esteem building strategy to have kids restrained for an advantage isn't just an advantage to have a debate on. It is also a serious safety risk.

Back in the day, the exceptional kids and bragging parents played their kids up at the same safety risks noted here...I have at least some respect for that decision. Sending a 12 year old in with 10 year olds is crass, classless and unsporting for any parent to do or any organization to tolerate or encourage. Shame on Crabs.

I have to totally agree with you, just because you "reclassify" a kid in Junior High does not mean they are going to get some major D1 scholarship. I truly believe the kids that are being held back by their parents make look great now because they are older, faster and stronger, but if they are not good enough to be a stand out at their own age, moving them down will only be a very TEMPORARY fix. They will never be good enough. As for people saying the rosters of all these top D1 schools contain kids that have been held back, I think that is blown WAY out of proportion. And, if you are holding your kid back for athletic reasons, you really need to have your head examined! US lacrosse needs to step in here and stop this practice, someone is going to get hurt big time. Unfortunately, I predict it is going to take that happening before the do something. In HS you know you are competing against kids that are older (9th graders vs 12th graders) but this should NOT be happening in 5th grade...

Crabs are what is wrong with lacrosse and youth sports. Hold a kid back for the chance to play a non-revenue sport in college. Those 2020 coaches are pompous, arrogant blowhards!!!

Any coach who respects the game would not have those older kids play on a 6th grade team. 3-2 great job!! You must be so proud of yourselves.

Let me hold my son back so that he can be a stud on the U15AA team next year - cannot wait! Let's pay for another year of private school - great idea because he might get a 25% scholarship, but unlikely. My son will really learn alot about life - since we can do it and can afford it. We will really be able to stick our chests out next year - cannot wait!

Heard the Crabs already have six kids repeating to play U15 again. King Crab must be proud, parents excited about their time to shine next year - junior will be the stud of this team next year!

This game of privilge with no future riches is all about egos!

I think Maryland parents invented the hold back game. U S lacrosse should institute what USA hockey follows. It is based on the year that you were born. If you had a January birthday good for you if you had a December birthday tough S..t If mom wants to keep you home for an extra year fine, but you still have to play with the boys your age. End of story.

As a multi year Crabs parent I can say that our experience has been very good. Great coaching, competition and parents. Every program has parents that complain and go out of their way to make a program look bad. I know several FCA families that are looking to switch for a variety of reasons and have been vocal about it. Nothing at all against FCA but my point is that any Club will have unhappy parents. At the end of the day our obligation is to our sons to make sure they are in a good learning environment and if they are interested in playing in college get an opportunity to get the exposure. We have been very happy with our decision to play for crabs. Every year we have asked our son if he wants to play for them and it is always a resounding yes. If you asked him why it would be because of the coaching and competition. And no my son is not a reclassifier.

Not yet he isn't.

Grow up and stop thinking the world is against you. I'm actually opposed to reclassifiers but to each his own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a multi year Crabs parent I can say that our experience has been very good. Great coaching, competition and parents. Every program has parents that complain and go out of their way to make a program look bad. I know several FCA families that are looking to switch for a variety of reasons and have been vocal about it. Nothing at all against FCA but my point is that any Club will have unhappy parents. At the end of the day our obligation is to our sons to make sure they are in a good learning environment and if they are interested in playing in college get an opportunity to get the exposure. We have been very happy with our decision to play for crabs. Every year we have asked our son if he wants to play for them and it is always a resounding yes. If you asked him why it would be because of the coaching and competition. And no my son is not a reclassifier.

Don't bring FCA into this conversation. This reclass stuff is likely Long Island parents having a problem with it.....see every third post on their main page as proof. Everything on this page is not FCA vs Crabs. All that FCA people want is to play the best teams out there. Nothing more. And most likely the Crabs PLAYERS want to do the same....ask the boys. They'll tell you.

Think about it...you lost on purpose for seeding!! Coach is smart enough to put kids who can shave on the team but wants to play in the 91 Crush bracket who are beating teams by double digits, for chance NOT to be in finals? He tried to be slick and it backfired because they never made it there. Oh by the way even heard the "older" kid made some 2018 national team. Way to go parents! Must be a great confidence builder to bring him down to beat up on kids. Bravo!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Think about it...you lost on purpose for seeding!! Coach is smart enough to put kids who can shave on the team but wants to play in the 91 Crush bracket who are beating teams by double digits, for chance NOT to be in finals? He tried to be slick and it backfired because they never made it there. Oh by the way even heard the "older" kid made some 2018 national team. Way to go parents! Must be a great confidence builder to bring him down to beat up on kids. Bravo!

Smart one, (and that is said dropping with sarcasm) why in the heck would the crabs have thrown a game for seeding purposes? If the would have gone 3-0 they would have gotten the 2nd seed, received a bye and been opposite 91! I watched the sons/crabs game and there is NO WAY the Crabs threw that game, the sons just played better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a multi year Crabs parent I can say that our experience has been very good. Great coaching, competition and parents. Every program has parents that complain and go out of their way to make a program look bad. I know several FCA families that are looking to switch for a variety of reasons and have been vocal about it. Nothing at all against FCA but my point is that any Club will have unhappy parents. At the end of the day our obligation is to our sons to make sure they are in a good learning environment and if they are interested in playing in college get an opportunity to get the exposure. We have been very happy with our decision to play for crabs. Every year we have asked our son if he wants to play for them and it is always a resounding yes. If you asked him why it would be because of the coaching and competition. And no my son is not a reclassifier.

Don't bring FCA into this conversation. This reclass stuff is likely Long Island parents having a problem with it.....see every third post on their main page as proof. Everything on this page is not FCA vs Crabs. All that FCA people want is to play the best teams out there. Nothing more. And most likely the Crabs PLAYERS want to do the same....ask the boys. They'll tell you.

It's definitely LI parents having a problem with it - follow US Lacrosse guidelines and put a team on the field of age appropriate kids. Baltimore hockey teams can't do this B.S. and Crabs (and you/FCA if you do it) know exactly the impact that older kids can have on a game. Crabs put a kid that weighs 150+ lbs on the field against true 11-12 year olds. Once they get to H.S. it doesn't matter as much but for youth lacrosse that's just bush league antics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As a multi year Crabs parent I can say that our experience has been very good. Great coaching, competition and parents. Every program has parents that complain and go out of their way to make a program look bad. I know several FCA families that are looking to switch for a variety of reasons and have been vocal about it. Nothing at all against FCA but my point is that any Club will have unhappy parents. At the end of the day our obligation is to our sons to make sure they are in a good learning environment and if they are interested in playing in college get an opportunity to get the exposure. We have been very happy with our decision to play for crabs. Every year we have asked our son if he wants to play for them and it is always a resounding yes. If you asked him why it would be because of the coaching and competition. And no my son is not a reclassifier.

Not a Crabs or FCA parent here...I certainly respect the level of quality of Crabs players, but if your son is in the minority of ones who have not / will not be repeating grades, don't you at some level get repulsed by it? To each his own stuff is fine, there is no rule against it and certainly the NCAA coaches eventually recruiting the kids know the birth dates and the fact that the kids are older or not. But just at a basic level, does it bother you as a long time Crabs parent? I commend your measured post and hope this does not stoke any defensiveness. Repeating grades is happening everywhere but by that same reasoning we can all drive 100mph on rural roads and call that the flow of traffic and say it's a safe thing to agree on.

It happens all over and more than you think. Just look at Friends and see how many transfer in for 1 year to repeat a grade. That is the new hiding spot for GC parents.

It has been going on in all sports for a very long time. Red shirt freshmen in football and just look at the NBA draft. Look at the top ten taken. Not sure if their were any kids who graduated but they were all 23, 24 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens all over and more than you think. Just look at Friends and see how many transfer in for 1 year to repeat a grade. That is the new hiding spot for GC parents.

It has been going on in all sports for a very long time. Red shirt freshmen in football and just look at the NBA draft. Look at the top ten taken. Not sure if their were any kids who graduated but they were all 23, 24 years old.

I may be wrong, but what has been going on for a long time is PG years for kids taking a 5th year of HS at the end, not at the start. PGs tended to be kids who had been recruited for a sport but needed to pull up grades or scores. Redshirt football players is same thing. They take a first year of college to eat and lift weights to get up their muscle and weight. Neither of those is to sissy down when you start HS. In the NBA draft there are lots of foreign league pros taken who are mid 20s. Many of the NCAA early outs are 19 to 21 years old. LeBron started wrecking the NBA when he was still a teenager, Kobe the same. Don't see that point either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me hold my son back so that he can be a stud on the U15AA team next year - cannot wait! Let's pay for another year of private school - great idea because he might get a 25% scholarship, but unlikely. My son will really learn alot about life - since we can do it and can afford it. We will really be able to stick our chests out next year - cannot wait!

Heard the Crabs already have six kids repeating to play U15 again. King Crab must be proud, parents excited about their time to shine next year - junior will be the stud of this team next year!

This game of privilge with no future riches is all about egos!

Was at Crabfest/Young guns last weekend with kids playing in two different age groups. Crabs kids were clearly older. 2020 kid six foot tall with full hairy legs. Sad part is they could not even win a championship, even with crab refs making horrible calls. Little kids running circles around them at all age groups. Crabs are pathetic at the X. Keep holding your kids back, it doesn't matter. The better players from outside MD came home with the championship. Have a nice summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me hold my son back so that he can be a stud on the U15AA team next year - cannot wait! Let's pay for another year of private school - great idea because he might get a 25% scholarship, but unlikely. My son will really learn alot about life - since we can do it and can afford it. We will really be able to stick our chests out next year - cannot wait!

Heard the Crabs already have six kids repeating to play U15 again. King Crab must be proud, parents excited about their time to shine next year - junior will be the stud of this team next year!

This game of privilge with no future riches is all about egos!

Was at Crabfest/Young guns last weekend with kids playing in two different age groups. Crabs kids were clearly older. 2020 kid six foot tall with full hairy legs. Sad part is they could not even win a championship, even with crab refs making horrible calls. Little kids running circles around them at all age groups. Crabs are pathetic at the X. Keep holding your kids back, it doesn't matter. The better players from outside MD came home with the championship. Have a nice summer.

Just to recap:

1. You know for a fact that all Crab kids are overage;
2. You claim all the refs were fixing games for the Crabs; and
3. You are boasting about some random youth lacrosse tournament.

Really? LOL.

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Crabs owner started NSLCA in 2010 to basically send the recruiting / showcase cesspool down to infants. A 2021 team ?!? Clearly the school age criteria is an overt endorsement of the crap written out by posters. 2020 kids six feet all with hairy legs, what is this Mexican little league? The way Crabs owner tries to explain it is when U-11 players go up to U-13 they are sometimes not developed enough to make the U-13 team and you have to cut the kid. Actually, you don't. Just do two U-13 teams. But wait...Crabs don't do single A teams or B teams. An elite club can't have two U-13 teams, you have to have two AA teams by school year. The bottom line is the Crabs is a sissy pot for families with self esteem issues, and the NSCLA is supposed to be a private club that plays elite lacrosse that has nothing to do with the rest of the sport.

Just to recap:

1. You know for a fact that all Crab kids are overage;
2. You claim all the refs were fixing games for the Crabs; and
3. You are boasting about some random youth lacrosse tournament.

Really? LOL. [/quote]

We know for a fact the majority of all Crabs players are old for their grade. Their birthdates are on the team registration pages for tournaments. Quite honestly this classification by school year for teams on down to 4th grade is a big deal. It makes lacrosse unsafe at the younger ages. LOL and be snarky all you want on that point. It won't be very funny when a kid is seriously hurt or worse. This sport didn't care about commotio cordis incidents or standards for chest protectors until kids died playing lacrosse. This sport didn't care about safety standards for helmets until football wiped our arses for us to fund safety studies and standards after kids were killed by head trauma in lacrosse and football. For now it is just hilarious that young kids are out there with others who were not grade restrained and are year(s) older. Won't be very funny when it causes a grave harm to kids. Hey Ryan, get off these chat boards and get some class and a clue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me hold my son back so that he can be a stud on the U15AA team next year - cannot wait! Let's pay for another year of private school - great idea because he might get a 25% scholarship, but unlikely. My son will really learn alot about life - since we can do it and can afford it. We will really be able to stick our chests out next year - cannot wait!

Heard the Crabs already have six kids repeating to play U15 again. King Crab must be proud, parents excited about their time to shine next year - junior will be the stud of this team next year!

This game of privilge with no future riches is all about egos!

Was at Crabfest/Young guns last weekend with kids playing in two different age groups. Crabs kids were clearly older. 2020 kid six foot tall with full hairy legs. Sad part is they could not even win a championship, even with crab refs making horrible calls. Little kids running circles around them at all age groups. Crabs are pathetic at the X. Keep holding your kids back, it doesn't matter. The better players from outside MD came home with the championship. Have a nice summer.

Turtles eat Crabs for breakfast, go back to prep school and prep! You need it!

Keep it coming. You guys crying about overage kids and the owner of the Crabs are providing great entertainment for the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep it coming. You guys crying about overage kids and the owner of the Crabs are providing great entertainment for the rest of us.

Yes, especially fun to see your overage goons LOSE, Agree great entertainment! Keep it coming! looks like a bad investment to me!

Did Crabs actually win any divisions at their own tournament with all their holbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Crabs actually win any divisions at their own tournament with all their holbacks?

Madlax dad here. You guys sound like a bunch of jealous, whiny man babies. The 2017 crabs team is a fantastic team. Not sure about the rest of the age groups though. I would guess they are equally as good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

So 7th grade is the starting gate when can "weirdo dads" can point out that the Crabs have players a year and sometimes two years older than their opponents?

As a Lon Island parent I suggest we stop going to
the Crab sponsored tournaments and don't letCrabs in
ours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?

The HS teams played in the CRABFEAST last weekend, buddy.

Yes, the Crabs lost in the championship by 2 goals to an excellent Turtles team.

Who cares? If you think the #1 priority of summer lacrosse is winning tournament championships, you are an absolute loser and your sons are not being taught the right values.

I am not a Crabs parents, but if you dislike them, why play in their tournaments? Spend your money elsewhere.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?

The HS teams played in the CRABFEAST last weekend, buddy.

Yes, the Crabs lost in the championship by 2 goals to an excellent Turtles team.

Who cares? If you think the #1 priority of summer lacrosse is winning tournament championships, you are an absolute loser and your sons are not being taught the right values.

I am not a Crabs parents, but if you dislike them, why play in their tournaments? Spend your money elsewhere.

LOL.

I wish people would stop with the "who cares?" and "if you care so much..." comments. It's fine for parents to care deeply about their kids' sports. And learning the joy of winning at something you work hard at is perhaps one of the most important values a kid can learn. Study hard for your test and get an A, practice hard and be in excellent physical shape and win the top lacrosse tournaments (or whatever sport your kid may choose to play). But don't knock parents for caring about their kids and how they perform on the athletic field. I have a bigger problem with parents who don't care, and treat it as a hobby. For the elite programs, too much money and time is invested to not aim for success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?

The HS teams played in the CRABFEAST last weekend, buddy.

Yes, the Crabs lost in the championship by 2 goals to an excellent Turtles team.

Who cares? If you think the #1 priority of summer lacrosse is winning tournament championships, you are an absolute loser and your sons are not being taught the right values.

I am not a Crabs parents, but if you dislike them, why play in their tournaments? Spend your money elsewhere.

LOL.

"Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!"

Notice I said Young Guns and CRABFEAST'

Your really do need to learn how to read. And yes, Turtles beat Crabs easily. However, I was refering to the 2016 team. They were handily eliminated in the semis.

My younger son also played. It was my first time at this joke of a tournament, where Crabs were exposed as cheaters and losers. literally.

I care about these tournaments. If I didn't, I would not drive hundreds of miles every weekend like all the other parents who care too. My older son is ranked amongst the best in the country and is committed to a top school. Looking for the same for #2, and things are looking great for him as well. In 2 years, he will be recruited, so I am critical of people holding back there kids, and not playing by the rules. My son did fine because he has been playing up for quite some time, but that doesn't negate the fact that Crabs misrepresent themselves, and wound up losers anyway!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?

The HS teams played in the CRABFEAST last weekend, buddy.

Yes, the Crabs lost in the championship by 2 goals to an excellent Turtles team.

Who cares? If you think the #1 priority of summer lacrosse is winning tournament championships, you are an absolute loser and your sons are not being taught the right values.

I am not a Crabs parents, but if you dislike them, why play in their tournaments? Spend your money elsewhere.

LOL.

I agree, who cares if you lose to 17 yr old kids...time to find a new tournament

if you don't like it why do you come and play in the tournaments. somebody must think they do a pretty good job because they had over 100 teams at tournaments this weekend. spend your money elsewhere. 95% of the teams that were there have been coming to crabs tournaments for years. And really to start attacking the refs now, that's pathetic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?

Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?

Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments!

Your coaches are about as "loud mouth" as it gets...I loved the tournament this weekend as a first time LI attendee, but c'mon guys, put an age-appropriate team out there...even your fellow Baltimore brethren admit that Crabs constantly puts reclassed kids ("reclass," what a great word) on the field. Heck, you have a 2019 kid listed on your website play for the 2020 team this weekend.

If you don't like it don't come. Ok. This isn't me as a parent complaining on the refs, I don't care about that. I care that these Crab tournaments and NSLCA tournaments which are Crabs / Tierney Denver tournaments keep shirking the point. Why keep pushing toward grade aged teams that perpetuates putting age different kids out there on down to the youth levels? This is real simple stuff. U-11, U-13 and U-15. From the tone on this board, why not also U-17 or open division. Make it an all comers high school event after U-15. We all know there is no rule against high school freshmen turning 16 or 17 in their freshman year and we also know the examples are not limited to the Crabs or MD. LI clubs can handle the dare. It's not that hard to mow the lawn in Farmingdale and invite all comers to a tournament that is by age, and have the d.o.b.'s cross referenced to the registration and conduct better tournaments and make a bunch of money. I as a MD parent would not be adverse to coming to LI for tournaments and there is no shortage of people who have just had it with Ryan's Song. I have wondered for years why LI clubs don't move to put on national tournaments and have just been complacent to come down to Baltimore or Virginia to get to tournaments.

LI Express or others, please do it. Noone wants to go to Hogan tournaments, which are weak and just a different P.O. Box for the MD money grab.

I don't understand this. If you don't want to play by their rules why go? Why do you think they do it by school years? Its easiest for the college coaches to determine who is who. Why do you think the college tournaments, top 205, king of the hill etc. do it by grade. This discussion really gets old. Crabs put on a great tournament, run very well, usually at very good facilities, with very good competition, and oh by the way usually with a TON of college coaches there and I would bet you not one of the coaches knows who won the championship. Isn't that why you travel to these tournaments. and believe me the coaches notice the loud mouth parents and are willing to sacrifice not recruiting a player so they don't have to deal with you!

Does anybody have the results from the blue hen tournament in Delaware. Curios to know who won.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.

Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!

When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?

Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments!

Top Notch? How come they couldn't win one division in their own tournament? Wouldn't you like that if we didn't come, maybe you should try Hogan, more your speed! Oh yea, you wouldn't qualify with your hold-backs!

Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments! [/quote]

This point by Crabs is a fair one. Why are there no elite Summer tournaments in Long Island? All of the complaining seems linked to there being no alternatives to what LI people complain about. How hard would it be for LI Express to put on two major tournaments each Summer, one in June and one in July? The fact is LI teams flock to MD for high level play every Summer. How hard is it to run a friggin lacrosse tournament? Rent fields and put a tournament registration page that takes debit cards. Based on the tone of this thread, PLENTY of elite programs on the Atlantic Coast will flock to LI to play some ball.

Just make to teams with the same large group of kids. Not hard. so have a U13 and a U15 teams and then have 2018,2019,2020 teams and so on?????????? Then read the rules of the tournament and put the correct team in the tournament. Your club should be running the same plays and styles on all there teams I would think so it should not be hard to do. And it would be great for the kids to great on one of the teams and avg. on the other.

LI Tourney, chech out LI Lax Fest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments!

This point by Crabs is a fair one. Why are there no elite Summer tournaments in Long Island? All of the complaining seems linked to there being no alternatives to what LI people complain about. How hard would it be for LI Express to put on two major tournaments each Summer, one in June and one in July? The fact is LI teams flock to MD for high level play every Summer. How hard is it to run a friggin lacrosse tournament? Rent fields and put a tournament registration page that takes debit cards. Based on the tone of this thread, PLENTY of elite programs on the Atlantic Coast will flock to LI to play some ball. [/quote]

Team 91 runs TONS of tournaments but none can be considered elite. An elite event on LI is the best of the best but it's a showcase not a tournament.

I think it's because the top LI teams don't like playing each other and would have no choice if the tourney was here because they would all play.

Should have a tourney with: Turtles, 91 Orange, Express Terps, Outlaws black, True Blue blue, and about 5 teams from out of state.

Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition...all you do is complain, do us a favor and stay away...and no, we don't travel to Long Island, even if the pizza is better

Keep complaining, please make the checks out to Baltimore Lacrosse Club and we'll see you next year

"Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition...all you do is complain, do us a favor and stay away...and no, we don't travel to Long Island, even if the pizza is better."

Team Igloo 2021 might disagree. Not only did they win the Crabs tournament, I think they beat the NPYLL U11AA champion to win Summer Exposure two weeks early (which means their kids were also all U11 age eligible, unlike . . . )

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition...all you do is complain, do us a favor and stay away...and no, we don't travel to Long Island, even if the pizza is better

"Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition"

Sweetlax (Many players from LI), beat Crabs in the 2016 group semis, Crabs couldn't even make it to the championship. LI teams won both divisions for the younger group (6th, 7th grade). Just stating facts, not sure what you are stating since you have no scores to support your position. Wouldn't you like it if we stayed on LI that way the cheating losers wouldn't be exposed!

Crabs are bottom feeders, staying true to their mascot!

Really, crabs lost to team 91 2020 crush in Maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition...all you do is complain, do us a favor and stay away...and no, we don't travel to Long Island, even if the pizza is better

I think what you meant to write is Crabs won't go to LI. Don't speak for all of us here. Breakers, FCA, MadLax, Blackwolf and others would not hesitate to go up for some high level ball. Dukes are not too far away, Patriot is in Jersey, there are good clubs in CT like Eclipse and Laxachussetts in Mass. I do find the earlier post confounding. Why wouldn't the best LI teams want to play in a high level tournament in LI?

please, we 2018 terps and extreme always competitive with your 2018 crabs...And, we like the crab kids and the families but for the occasional psycho parent on any of the teams (all three teams have one or two).

Crabs failed to show at Adrenaline and Dukes invitational for some reason?

Someone was talking about elite tournaments and both Adrenaline and Dukes were true elite.

Lets no forget the 9-1 [lacrosse] whipping that 2019 91 team put on the Crabs a few weeks ago.

Where is the big Crab talker defending his Arthropods?? Disappeared into the wormhole he belongs in!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets no forget the 9-1 [lacrosse] whipping that 2019 91 team put on the Crabs a few weeks ago.

Yeah! More boasting about 7th grade boys, por favor!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Apparently NPYLL has made it official that they are following HoCo in how the divisions are made up for 2015. They are going to "scheduled" Graduation year for Divisions. (No more U9A, U9AA,etc.). This essentially doubles the number of teams clubs can field.

The 2015 season Divisions will be:
2024 AA
2024 A
2023 AA
2023 A
2022 AA
2022 A
2021 AA
2021 A
2020 AA
2020 A
2019 AA
2019 A

As a parent of two young youth players at the bottom of this school grade list I am sickened by the notion that the repeat a grade game goes earlier and earlier down into elementary grades. The club owners have a story and are sticking with it. This makes it easier to field more teams. No, it does not. Do more U13 and U-11 teams or do U13, U12, U11, etc. This makes it easier for college coaches to evaluate players by grade. No, it does not. Girls soccer players and boys ice hockey players play U-15, U15, etc. NCAA coaches in those sports don't seem confused about who they are recruiting at tournaments. And is there a point somewhere that this is making it easier for NCAA coaches to evaluate 4th graders? As a parent I find this pretty disturbing. If my kid is a great player, I can at my discretion risk playing him up with older kids. Have it this way, and my kid is thrust out there with kids much older and physically developed at a safety risk and I cannot have any discretion to manage that except for pulling my kids out of youth lacrosse. This is a horrible precedent for HOCO and NPYLL to follow and the club owners pushing this grade scheme are putting youths at risk. Please write to your NPYLL or HOCO club owners and coaches if you have issue with this. Don't wait for a kid to be seriously brain damaged before caring. These are your kids too.

Nice Young Gunz event hosted by crabs. Lots of good competition and impressed with the number of college coaches watching the 2018 games. Saw Maryland, Princeton, Penn, Loyola, Michigan and Hopkins coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice Young Gunz event hosted by crabs. Lots of good competition and impressed with the number of college coaches watching the 2018 games. Saw Maryland, Princeton, Penn, Loyola, Michigan and Hopkins coaches.

That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.

There were a lot of coaches at Young Gunz and Crabfeast as well. Bottom
line college coaches go where the talent is and
good club want to play the crabs. BLC does it right, you
think it is a coincidence so many crabs get recruited
into D1 programs. Why does Ty Xanders write about
so many crabs? seems like Petro recruits at least 3
Crabs per grad year. Crab cakes and lacrosse

Crabs 18's win Young Gunz.

Who one 2019s????

A very impressive Dukes team won the 2019 division. Dukes and 91 Orange are the two best 2019 teams I have seen this summer.

I think Dukes won the 2019 with Madlax coming in 2nd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice Young Gunz event hosted by crabs. Lots of good competition and impressed with the number of college coaches watching the 2018 games. Saw Maryland, Princeton, Penn, Loyola, Michigan and Hopkins coaches.

That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.

Starsia there on Saturday day also. Good tournament, good competition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who one 2019s????

Dukes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who one 2019s????

This post tells you all you need to know about Long Island.

and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice Young Gunz event hosted by crabs. Lots of good competition and impressed with the number of college coaches watching the 2018 games. Saw Maryland, Princeton, Penn, Loyola, Michigan and Hopkins coaches.

That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.

Starsia there on Saturday day also. Good tournament, good competition

All I have to say is Holy Cow, these coaches are recruiting 7th & 8th graders now? This is lunacy. How can kids at this age not feel all the worst kinds of stress and esteem issues they don't deserve or be able to handle. This just became a sport parents should seriously consider getting their kids away from. At these ages the kids should be learning skill, sportsmanship and having fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.

Starsia there on Saturday day also. Good tournament, good competition

Petro has two kids playing U11.
It amazes me how quiet he is at the games as a spectator as compared to the way he is coaching his Hopkins team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.

"their", not "there. LOL @ Long Island.

Petro has two kids playing U11.
It amazes me how quiet he is at the games as a spectator as compared to the way he is coaching his Hopkins team[/quote]

most good coaches are quiet in same situation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.

"their", not "there. LOL @ Long Island.

Obviously a Long Island parent...go back to complaining
about holdbacks or bad refs.

Doz guys ain't playin at da right age and da freakin refs
keep bustin our chops. Fugetaboutit, we ain't playin
in Baltimore no more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.

"their", not "there. LOL @ Long Island.

Obviously a Long Island parent...go back to complaining
about holdbacks or bad refs.

Ironically, we still beat your stinky crab buts despite your shenanigans. Ha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.

"their", not "there. LOL @ Long Island.

What an amazing pick up BUFFY... Someone made a typo. Now go hold your kid back another year. How many times does he take the same classes? Hold on is that the phone??? Maybe it's Petro, he heard your son is now an 18yo sophomore. Nope, just another wrong number... Sorry.

Please keep up the daily crying about kids who are holdbacks. It's great entertainment reading these posts from Long Island dads who having nothing else better to do.

And it wasn't a typo - it's indicative of the level of education (or lack therof) prevalent on STRONG ISLAND.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please keep up the daily crying about kids who are holdbacks. It's great entertainment reading these posts from Long Island dads who having nothing else better to do.

And it wasn't a typo - it's indicative of the level of education (or lack therof) prevalent on STRONG ISLAND.

Talk is cheap Ryan. Get off chat boards, do age based teams instead of grades and let's see who is better. Wouldn't it be nice to beat down strong island straight up age matched and then beat that chest? Get some fight big dog.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please keep up the daily crying about kids who are holdbacks. It's great entertainment reading these posts from Long Island dads who having nothing else better to do.

And it wasn't a typo - it's indicative of the level of education (or lack therof) prevalent on STRONG ISLAND.

Talk is cheap Ryan. Get off chat boards, do age based teams instead of grades and let's see who is better. Wouldn't it be nice to beat down strong island straight up age matched and then beat that chest? Get some fight big dog.

Crabs would still attract the biggest, fastest and strongest, whether it be age based or grade based...go cry somewhere else

Talk is cheap Ryan. Get off chat boards, do age based teams instead of grades and let's see who is better. Wouldn't it be nice to beat down strong island straight up age matched and then beat that chest? Get some fight big dog. [/quote]

Crabs would still attract the biggest, fastest and strongest, whether it be age based or grade based...go cry somewhere else [/quote]

No crying. Do an age based tournament. If you are the biggest, fastest and strongest you have nothing to fear, and LI will have nothing to say after. Talk is cheap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doz guys ain't playin at da right age and da freakin refs
keep bustin our chops. Fugetaboutit, we ain't playin
in Baltimore no more.

Baltimore is a third rate city at best...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doz guys ain't playin at da right age and da freakin refs
keep bustin our chops. Fugetaboutit, we ain't playin
in Baltimore no more.

Baltimore is a third rate city at best...

A line has been crossed now. Baltimore is easily a second rate city.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk is cheap Ryan. Get off chat boards, do age based teams instead of grades and let's see who is better. Wouldn't it be nice to beat down strong island straight up age matched and then beat that chest? Get some fight big dog.

Crabs would still attract the biggest, fastest and strongest, whether it be age based or grade based...go cry somewhere else [/quote]

No crying. Do an age based tournament. If you are the biggest, fastest and strongest you have nothing to fear, and LI will have nothing to say after. Talk is cheap. [/quote]

Problem is even with your overage thugs, you can't win a freakin championship! Beat down by LI, over and over! Sad for you.

NY= The Empire State

Google should invent a translator for these posts. I swear you guys from Long Island speak a completely different language. I can't believe you allow the public school system there to produce so many adults incapable of carrying on a coherent conversation.

From Urban Dictionary

Long Island

The armpit of New [lacrosse] State. Most residents pretend they are from the city, then go to the city and don't know the Bronx from the Battery.
The Bronx is up and the Battery's down...Long Islanders get the [lacrosse] out of my town!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From Urban Dictionary

Long Island

The armpit of New [lacrosse] State. Most residents pretend they are from the city, then go to the city and don't know the Bronx from the Battery.
The Bronx is up and the Battery's down...Long Islanders get the [lacrosse] out of my town!

Luckily, we don't have to pretend to beat you at lax! Better beaches, better city, better lax, what more can you want?

When I was at UVa it seemed like a foreign language. Luuuunnnngggaayyyllluuunnnddd. Oh my god, what an awesome chicken cutlet sandwich! Deli sandwiches are high end stuff.

Long Island dads are the TOUGHEST GUYS ON THE INTERNET!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dads are the TOUGHEST GUYS ON THE INTERNET!

And their kids are the toughest guys on the LAX FIELD. SCORES DON'T LIE! Try again!

Turtles, Crush, Igloo! What's up Fairyland?

Originally Posted by uAnonymous

Long Island dads are the TOUGHEST GUYS ON THE INTERNET!

Only the ones who had no balls in high school or college to play sports. So now they are living thru their kids..they know all about lax and their kid is the star.lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When I was at UVa it seemed like a foreign language. Luuuunnnngggaayyyllluuunnnddd. Oh my god, what an awesome chicken cutlet sandwich! Deli sandwiches are high end stuff.

When I was a player at UVA, I was amazed how entitled the southern private school boys thought they were. I'd rather have my Long Island accent than be a pretentious tool.
Your fellow entitled private school boy sure made the lax program and University proud a few years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.

Starsia there on Saturday day also. Good tournament, good competition

Petro has two kids playing U11.
It amazes me how quiet he is at the games as a spectator as compared to the way he is coaching his Hopkins team

Hopkins can recruit kids early, because they can get any of their top recruits in regardless if they are below average students. It has always been that way. While the majority of their players are very solid students, they can get anyone, I mean anyone in if they are a top recruit. If you want a good laugh, ask their head coach what his SAT score was when he got in. Nobody would ask, and if you did I assume you wouldn't get the truth. He was the best player at his position coming out of high school, so academic qualifications didn't matter.

Petro has two kids playing U11.
It amazes me how quiet he is at the games as a spectator as compared to the way he is coaching his Hopkins team [/quote]
Hopkins can recruit kids early, because they can get any of their top recruits in regardless if they are below average students. It has always been that way. While the majority of their players are very solid students, they can get anyone, I mean anyone in if they are a top recruit. If you want a good laugh, ask their head coach what his SAT score was when he got in. Nobody would ask, and if you did I assume you wouldn't get the truth. He was the best player at his position coming out of high school, so academic qualifications didn't matter. [/quote]

That is true. Lacrosse is the only sport that matters at Hop, and I think was and might still be the only sport they play D1 in. Hop has always been notorious for letting all academic standards waive away for the lacrosse recruits. Shockingly, Princeton was like that in the 1990s - early 2000s until the school administration said no more to Tierney. Then Tierney went to a bad academic school in a cool place to live in order to keep going at a high level. Princeton is trying to make it work with higher academic standards, but Bates has struggled and also apparently has one more year to win or else.

wait. institutions of higher learning lower their admissions standards for exceptional athletes? who knew?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wait. institutions of higher learning lower their admissions standards for exceptional athletes? who knew?

Only a few schools do for lacrosse. A few schools are just easy to get into anyways like Towsons and Denvers. Bottom line is lacrosse is a third tier sport to most athletic departments. I know for a fact that the only Ivy that allows a lot of slack for lacrosse is Cornell. At the others you'd better be a great student.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When I was at UVa it seemed like a foreign language. Luuuunnnngggaayyyllluuunnnddd. Oh my god, what an awesome chicken cutlet sandwich! Deli sandwiches are high end stuff.

When I was a player at UVA, I was amazed how entitled the southern private school boys thought they were. I'd rather have my Long Island accent than be a pretentious tool.
Your fellow entitled private school boy sure made the lax program and University proud a few years ago.

I agree, there are a few tough kids, but most are pretty boys with stupid haircuts and dumb accents (worse than south shore/suffolk county long island accents).

Say what you will as there is no reasoning with the LIers on these boards but the MidAtlantic must be doing something right - LI has sky high property taxes for an overcrowded region and a postage stamp of property while the Mid Atlantic continues to enjoy a different way of life for a fraction of the cost while proportionately sending more kids per capita to great lacrosse colleges.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you will as there is no reasoning with the LIers on these boards but the MidAtlantic must be doing something right - LI has sky high property taxes for an overcrowded region and a postage stamp of property while the Mid Atlantic continues to enjoy a different way of life for a fraction of the cost while proportionately sending more kids per capita to great lacrosse colleges.

Yes, some valid points, but you still live in Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you will as there is no reasoning with the LIers on these boards but the MidAtlantic must be doing something right - LI has sky high property taxes for an overcrowded region and a postage stamp of property while the Mid Atlantic continues to enjoy a different way of life for a fraction of the cost while proportionately sending more kids per capita to great lacrosse colleges.

Go ahead and try to change the subject. We still beat you!!

And while LI and Baltimore Crabs argue about which is a crappier place to live, 3d just finished raising $6mm from investors. Arrived in MD this Summer, heavily armed in New England and marching south through the Tri-State next. Phone call from King Crab to Jamie Munro in 12-18 months..."hey Jamie, me again, eh, think maybe now it would be exciting to work together? Jamie? Jamie? I can hear you breathing...Jamie?"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And while LI and Baltimore Crabs argue about which is a crappier place to live, 3d just finished raising $6mm from investors. Arrived in MD this Summer, heavily armed in New England and marching south through the Tri-State next. Phone call from King Crab to Jamie Munro in 12-18 months..."hey Jamie, me again, eh, think maybe now it would be exciting to work together? Jamie? Jamie? I can hear you breathing...Jamie?"

Post of the year. LMAO! So true, in a year or two Crabs will be passed by FCA and others, probably 3d too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And while LI and Baltimore Crabs argue about which is a crappier place to live, 3d just finished raising $6mm from investors. Arrived in MD this Summer, heavily armed in New England and marching south through the Tri-State next. Phone call from King Crab to Jamie Munro in 12-18 months..."hey Jamie, me again, eh, think maybe now it would be exciting to work together? Jamie? Jamie? I can hear you breathing...Jamie?"

Post of the year. LMAO! So true, in a year or two Crabs will be passed by FCA and others, probably 3d too.

Wait a year or two though and the new 3D Maryland players will be sitting on the sidelines while kids from other regions are flown in to play on 3D Maryland. Great plan if you want to spend $2500 plus "optional" clinics to get your kid seats on a bench to watch kids from other areas play.

Maryland kids don't sit on lacrosse benches!!!!

Crabs up to their "old" tricks, pun intended, at fl$ this weekend. Sickening the need the have to cheat!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs up to their "old" tricks, pun intended, at fl$ this weekend. Sickening the need the have to cheat!

The Crabs aren't at fl$. What are you talking about?

Which Crabs teams are at fl$?

FCA dad here....gotta hand it to the Crabs, they look
very tough. Played well, very aggressive at both ends. My only question
is why bring '16s to a 17 tournament? You would
prob win with just the '17s

Crabs 2017s and 2018s are playing in UMD Young Guns tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA dad here....gotta hand it to the Crabs, they look
very tough. Played well, very aggressive at both ends. My only question
is why bring '16s to a 17 tournament? You would
prob win with just the '17s

Obviously they are not that tough if they needed to bring older players?!?!? So is it true? If so- why? And why is it allowed in a 2017 tournament bracket?

Complain all you want, Ryan McClernan doesn't care. He is driving this sport toward school year based teams all down through the youth levels. NPYLL will be grade based starting with 4th grade this Fall. Suits the strategy well to keep kids restrained for an advantage. There are no excuses for club lacrosse to not be U-16, U-15, etc. if you want to have more teams by one year instead of U-15, U-13 on down. It looks like US Lacrosse doesn't care enough to step in, and even if they did Crabs and others would just run tournaments this way and would not care about US Lacrosse sanctioned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs up to their "old" tricks, pun intended, at fl$ this weekend. Sickening the need the have to cheat!

The Crabs aren't at fl$. What are you talking about?

meant young guns

Was at fl$ 3D this weekend and will never go back. They got greedy and added fields. One way in one way out. Had to jump out of car after waiting over an hour in traffic lined up for miles only to find a 12 year old directing traffic when you finally got into park. 700 cars lined up trying to get into a park nightmare. Only to get to field and no refs. They were stuck in traffic as well. Shortened games because of it. Ended up playing 3 games with 1 ref who didn't care and just wanted game over. 7am start times didn't help either NOT ONE COACH ATTENDED EARLY GAMES AND MANY DROVE AWAY ONCE THEY SAW TRAFFIC. ONE COACH ACTUALLY CALLED ME TO SAY SORRY BUT WASNT DEALING WITH IT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was at fl$ 3D this weekend and will never go back. They got greedy and added fields. One way in one way out. Had to jump out of car after waiting over an hour in traffic lined up for miles only to find a 12 year old directing traffic when you finally got into park. 700 cars lined up trying to get into a park nightmare. Only to get to field and no refs. They were stuck in traffic as well. Shortened games because of it. Ended up playing 3 games with 1 ref who didn't care and just wanted game over. 7am start times didn't help either NOT ONE COACH ATTENDED EARLY GAMES AND MANY DROVE AWAY ONCE THEY SAW TRAFFIC. ONE COACH ACTUALLY CALLED ME TO SAY SORRY BUT WASNT DEALING WITH IT.

We went down for both Crabfeast and for fl$ in 3d. I agree and was disappointed in each. This Summer was the first year that the brackets had at least two really crappy teams in them. fl$ in 3d, again more than 1/2 the teams were a joke. I think it dilutes the looks that tournament directors are hyping with their own tournaments. I understand the money side. Crabs and 3d should both consider straight up doing an elite session and then an all-comers second session. Maybe fewer all-comers show up because they only come to say they play Crabs or Dukes even though they lose 15-2, but putting those lopsided contests on the field is just as bad as what the earlier poster wrote about the 3d tournament being a giant mess. My kid ran from the Dunkin Donuts 1/4th of a mile away to the field. Otherwise he would have been at his game at game time instead of an hour early. I can't help but resent that no coach wants to sit and watch Saturday bracket games that are 15-2. Impossible to evaluate anything in those games, except that one team stinks and what good players do against bad teams means nothing like our high school season. It sounds like the only ones that did not go off like a greedy money grab were Adrenaline Platinum Cup and NSLCA which were the same weekend in June. Should have just done one of those and called it a Summer.

Do you really think any of these tournament organizers are looking for anything but cash! fl$/3D is probably one of the most unorganized tournaments out there. Although traffic is not something they can control.

Agree. I was at 3D and it was bad. Ten times worse than Tri state on a Friday night. 3D was so bad kid working the clock for our final game told us 3 players broke arms climbing fence trying to get to games. Cops were called to stop kids from doing it on last day. Only good games were after teams were matched up and even then there were blow outs. No coaches early morning games and none last day even for championship game which my son was in only had tops 5 coaches watching and I think it was because they were stuck in parking lot due to traffic. fl$ and 3D SHOULD BE ASHAMED ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY CHARGE $2500 A TEAM. We drove 6 hours to sit in traffic every day of tourney and got a ticket for parking in a no parking zone that I was told to park in. Stupid me I listened. NEVER AGAIN

Crabfeast has been watered down as the number of teams have increased. But it is nothing like FLD in 3D. You are hard pressed to find any quality teams at that tournament. Even if there hadn't been parking issues, few college coaches are interested in that lineup of teams.

We switched from Crabfest to 3D because our team liked the area and there is so much to do. Crabfest is very watered down. BUT 3D WHAT A MESS. We traveled in Vans this year to make it easy but it caused more problems because half our team were stuck in traffic. We had to start a game with our back up goalie playing attack and no subs. Calvary arrived mid way through second quarter but damage was done lost by 1. Tempers were flaring all over. Fields were in very bad shape. Nets riddled with holes. One game we had no game balls. Thanks to one of the coaches of the other team had a nice supply,

I agree. Next year our son will be a rising junior, so much of this is now moot. After we went to Crabfeast and fl$ in 3D we spoke to our club owner and all agreed next year to be more careful for the 2017s, 2018s, on down. Crabs never did this before, but blowing the tournament up to 40 teams means watering it down. I'm really shocked. Crabs always ran tournaments with a focus on teams attending quality, but that just went out the window this Summer. fl$ in 3D was a disgrace considering the team fees are the highest. My kid jumped that fence too in order to get to a game. These guys need to be real careful. Ryan McClernan and Jamie Munro need to know that the short term pump in the bank account will come at a price. We're a really good 2017 team, and we are never ever going back to either one. Both of those tournaments are worse than TriState became in 2012, which was the last year we went there. 3D is such a monster now, why not just do elite divisions at their tournaments or elite tournaments? LI Express, Team 91, Turtles, Laxachusetts, Eclipse, Dukes...none of them will ever again drive all day to get near this garbage until it gets cleaned up. College coaches don't come to see 3D California play 3D Colorado and even if they did, they don't want to go to an armpit place like Bel Air, MD to see it. Do a tournament in San Francisco or San Diego...coaches would go to see the beach on a nice little vacation. [lacrosse], I just paid for my son to be in Denver this week just to go to a nice place to play lacrosse for once.

At least Crabfeast had the top 2017 teams this year. At 3D, 75% of those teams are terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabfeast has been watered down as the number of teams have increased. But it is nothing like FLD in 3D. You are hard pressed to find any quality teams at that tournament. Even if there hadn't been parking issues, few college coaches are interested in that lineup of teams.

Just like a MadLax tournament. $2500 per team, you'd think those guys could hit up [lacrosse]'s for a few boxes of balls for their own tournaments. With 40 teams per grade from 2015s down to 2020s, that is $600K in revenue for 3D. Unreal how unprofessional these guys are. Coaches going into their own bags for balls.

Our coach went to the tent to complain and there were a group of nice women working and the first thing they said is please do not curse before he even opened his mouth. They said all they are hearing are complaints. He asked to speak to Winkoff from fl$ or someone from 3D and was told he could speak to his son because he wasn't even there and no one from 3D was there either. They were sitting somewhere on a beach with no traffic counting their money. Until the parents say no it will continue. A college coach that lives in the area told us he doesn't even try to go because of the traffic problem. 7AM START TIMES COME ON REALLY.

Do not compare Crabfeast with fl$. I agree there were too many teams this year, but they had nearly all the top 2017s from around the country. Probably should stick with a select tournament of 24 or so teams instead of allowing 12+ marginal ones to participate.

But 3D is a pure money grab in every sense of the word. You should have known what you were getting when you saw the lineup of terrible teams.

Sounds like the parking/traffic was horrible, too. Crabfeast was packed, but nobody was late to their games. Looking at the schedules, 3D stuffed their tournament with way too many teams, leading to the inevitable traffic leading into Cedar Lane.

Funny that at the fl$ tournament I saw plenty of college coaches, UNC head coach, UMBC 2 coaches, 2 from Hopkins, Loyola, Maryland head coach, Princeton, just to name a few. I agree that there were a lot of teams at various levels and some should not have been playing each other. Sooner or later everyone is going to get it, its all about the money....SHOW ME THE MONEY!
The biggest joke was the faceoff competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least Crabfeast had the top 2017 teams this year. At 3D, 75% of those teams are terrible.

At Crabfeast "only" 60% of the teams were terrible. Both tournaments have real issues going forward. Adrenaline gets it. I know it sounds elitist, but the top teams deserve to be playing each other and the coaches on the recruiting trail deserve to be watching high level lacrosse. Crabs vs. sisters of the poor bracket at Crabfeast or a decent LI team beating up on crappy 3d Oregon and California teams is just an insult for NCAA coaches to have to watch. Just call it Division 3 in 3D next year.

I think you should not be blaming the tournaments you should be blaming the top teams they have the power to sign up for the tournament. They should be asking the correct questions before signing up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you should not be blaming the tournaments you should be blaming the top teams they have the power to sign up for the tournament. They should be asking the correct questions before signing up.

That is a great point. Each club owner charges a lot of money to the families to get them the right looks. Signing up for lousy tournaments is bad, and nothing good happens when you take $2500 from a family to get the kid recruited and then rostering 25 kids around all of whom need to be showcased. There will always be bloated and watered down tournaments. It would be a good start if the club owners would call each other and make sure that their top team will be on board with other top teams at tournaments.

Great idea but how do you stop JOHNNY COACH from selling to his parents that they are playing in better divisions because getting your butt kicked in week in and week out is going to make you a better player. No coach that is taking $2000 from a parent is telling them they now belong to a "B" or "C" team.

Parents and coaches all feel their kids are the best. By the time reality sets in it is too late you are already signed up and tournies are closed out and all you are doing is apologizing to the goalies parents because he is getting shelled every week from kids better and older.

fl$ 3D is doing damage control already. They are trying to say they have no control over parking attendants and how it is handled. THEY ARE ONLY RESPOSIBLE FOR SIGNING UP TOO MANY BAD TEAMS AND MAKING SURE THE FEES ARE PAID ON TIME

3D is in it for money. Nothing more. They just raised over $5MM to start up clubs around the money. As we've all seen, many of these clubs are on a hunt to buy more clubs around the country. Why? Is it to grow the game?

No. It is all about getting more kids in the program, putting on more mediocre tournaments, selling merchandise, etc.

3D is already making a fortune by doing these satellite events for those kids dreaming of going to Blue Chip. Now they are putting on crappy tournaments without any regard to quality.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_26135135/3d-lacrosse-lands-5-23m-capital-says-players

To pile on, the all-star selections look rigged in 3d's favor too.

2018 example - 3d colorado 6 allstars (12.5% of the 48 total all-stars)

This is 60% of their starting lineup - however the team went 2-3 for the weekend with none of their losses coming from the finalists

There were two 4-1 teams who received only 1 all star each

--gotta remember to avoid 3d events in the future--

I am a former VLC U-13 parent and a current 3D U-15 Virginia parent. I concur that fl$ in 3D was a parking mess, and that is something for them to correct next year. I don't have kids in high school, but at the youth ages the caliber of play is very good at 3D tournaments in Maryland, Colorado and California. Before Crabs took over VLC there were two teams from U-15 down to U-11. Crabs took over and had one U-11 team, cut many VLC returning kids at tryouts and then had the team coached by a volunteer parent the first season. After the first season VLC quit fielding U-11 teams. My son was on the U-13 "B" team which had tryouts and then parents paid up for uniforms, etc. and VLC changed its mind and said no "B" team but we will refund your money and let your kid practice with the "A" team this year. This came months after Summer tryouts for all the DMV area clubs. Our son spent a year not playing in a club lacrosse game because Crabs owner changed his mind too late.

Before Crabs VLC used to cost $550 in the Fall and $800 in the Summer. We are not the family that complains about costs. Our son also plays ice hockey. But I am particular about a value for the program and it used to be good. Starting when Crabs took over the teams practiced very little and most of their time on the field was at the most expensive tournaments that were also owned and controlled by Crabs owner's for profit company. VLC went up to about $1000 in Fall and about $1500 in Summer. In our last season with VLC, before my son was cut again at U-15 and went off to Fuze, the "A" team practiced a total of 5 times and went to 3 Crabs tournaments for $1500. That is a rip off even by ice hockey standards. A lot of those U-15 parents were frustrated at the volume of Crabs prospect camps, clinics and showcase events owned by Crabs to position their kids to get recruiting attention and to get nominated to Jake Reed camp -- which 3D owns. I think some of this is the parent fault for signing up for things as a recruiting strategy with kids that are not outstanding enough. But the pay for play was encouraged and promoted by Crabs just like at other club franchises.

3D is running a business no doubt, but I am not complaining about the value since 3D bought Fuze. 3D is about $600-700 in Fall, and is about $1200 in Summer and there is a lot of practice and instructional time in the season. I also have my son at 3D instruction camps, which run $250-350 for four half days. I am no expert, but I see a lot of value in it since there are professional coaches and MLL players out there coaching the kids as opposed to college kids home for Summer. I have found these day camps to be plenty worth the money even if my son is never going to be a recruited lacrosse player. I also noticed a lot of VLC Crabs kids at the 3D day camp at PVI this week, so I am not alone.

We have been to one tournament at 3D with a parking lot nightmare. The teams there were decent, but maybe not as great as the two other tournaments we went to this Summer. We have not been pressured by 3D to buy any merchandise aside from a uniform and optional helmet stickers. Everyone gets invited to camps and events, but there is no pressure to sign up for anything.

Our experience at VLC might have been better if our son was a high school aged team D1 recruit. Basically the club is run in a way where what they are selling you is play for VLC Crabs and someday we will get you committed to Hopkins. Their high school teams have had a lot of success, but at the youth levels people are turning away in droves. As one parent told me, maybe 3D will become the new Madlax at the youth level and VLC will become the new Blackwolf at the high school level and eventually just quit fielding youth teams. Since VLC quit on U-11, quit on doing a U-13 second team to develop players instead of cutting them and gets most of their U-15 players from Madlax who want to be recruited it has come to that anyways now. VLC does have great high school showcase teams with D1 commits. It is a good investment for the kids who want that and a good strategy for VLC to advertise it to get the best high schoolers, but I believe it is a mistake to confuse that with a club that puts the effort into a youth program to develop players.

3d has hosted events at Cedar Lane before - these events had the same parking problem. 3d cannot claim ignorance or point the finger at others.

Club teams contract with 3d to enter a tournament. 3d contracts with vendors to provide services at their tournament. The fields and parking are 3d responsibility they failed miserably and created a dangerous situation (both lack of access for emergency vehicles and the risks of fence jumping)

Fields 9,9a,10,10a were a joke how small they were - 3d scheduled playoff games for these fields. Tthe idea that they added fields by cutting fields in half showed that they knew they were overcrowding the facility - those fields look intended for U-9 not a HS tournament

Honestly... I feel sorry for America. My grandfather watched Kamikazes fly into surrounding ships. My father's draft number came up for Viet Nam as a breadwinner and sole provider. My mother used to get a month off of school to pick potatoes. She was paid by the basket. Our generation takes the time ... on a youth lacrosse forum ... to whine about the "risks of fence jumping."

Here is my desire from lacrosse:

I want my kid to compete hard, commit himself to his team, check his limits, learn when its smart to play wide open and when its smart to dial it down, respect opponents and challenge them with his very best. Win with dignity, lose with dignity. Play for something bigger than himself. In between games, I want him to JUMP FENCES, knock back bullies, be kind to younger lacrosse players and kids who come to admire his play.

With those desires in mind, it's hard to be disappointed in the youth lacrosse experience whatever tournament you play in or whatever team you play for.

All this whining about �the Crabs�, �3d�, �holdbacks�, blah blah blah, its a fun read sometimes (like the crime blotter), but for the most part I�m embarrassed. If I was an enemy of United States, I would print off a copy of posts from this forum and hand them out to my soldiers. If they didn�t think they could kick our pansy, affluent, lazy asses before they read it� they would rapidly change their minds. Parents, please grow a pair � soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d has hosted events at Cedar Lane before - these events had the same parking problem. 3d cannot claim ignorance or point the finger at others.

Club teams contract with 3d to enter a tournament. 3d contracts with vendors to provide services at their tournament. The fields and parking are 3d responsibility they failed miserably and created a dangerous situation (both lack of access for emergency vehicles and the risks of fence jumping)

Fields 9,9a,10,10a were a joke how small they were - 3d scheduled playoff games for these fields. Tthe idea that they added fields by cutting fields in half showed that they knew they were overcrowding the facility - those fields look intended for U-9 not a HS tournament

I was thinking the same thing...how could an ambulance get in and out of here quickly if needed? One thing I also noticed at nearly every Summer tournament including Crabs, Madlax, Hogan and 3d ones was not a single defibrillator at the score table of any event. If there was one hidden away in someone's trunk or at the first aid tent, that is not good enough. Those things cost less than $2K and can save a life when there is no time for 911. I also saw one woman get drilled in the stomach by a shot that missed the cage. Very few tournaments buy or rent nets behind the goal to keep the balls near the field and away from spectators. Tournaments keep repeating safety, but we don't see it. It would be a shame to see someone seriously injured or die which could be avoided.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honestly... I feel sorry for America. My grandfather watched Kamikazes fly into surrounding ships. My father's draft number came up for Viet Nam as a breadwinner and sole provider. My mother used to get a month off of school to pick potatoes. She was paid by the basket. Our generation takes the time ... on a youth lacrosse forum ... to whine about the "risks of fence jumping."

Here is my desire from lacrosse:

I want my kid to compete hard, commit himself to his team, check his limits, learn when its smart to play wide open and when its smart to dial it down, respect opponents and challenge them with his very best. Win with dignity, lose with dignity. Play for something bigger than himself. In between games, I want him to JUMP FENCES, knock back bullies, be kind to younger lacrosse players and kids who come to admire his play.

With those desires in mind, it's hard to be disappointed in the youth lacrosse experience whatever tournament you play in or whatever team you play for.

All this whining about �the Crabs�, �3d�, �holdbacks�, blah blah blah, its a fun read sometimes (like the crime blotter), but for the most part I�m embarrassed. If I was an enemy of United States, I would print off a copy of posts from this forum and hand them out to my soldiers. If they didn�t think they could kick our pansy, affluent, lazy asses before they read it� they would rapidly change their minds. Parents, please grow a pair � soon.

I did something none of your sons will do, compete in the Olympics. When you get there, this is the humble speech read off and it brings tears at the opening ceremony: "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well."

Winning is competing hard and competing well regardless of the level. Maybe if parents and clubs ran their affairs with some dignity this sport could be a lot more fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honestly... I feel sorry for America. My grandfather watched Kamikazes fly into surrounding ships. My father's draft number came up for Viet Nam as a breadwinner and sole provider. My mother used to get a month off of school to pick potatoes. She was paid by the basket. Our generation takes the time ... on a youth lacrosse forum ... to whine about the "risks of fence jumping."

Here is my desire from lacrosse:

I want my kid to compete hard, commit himself to his team, check his limits, learn when its smart to play wide open and when its smart to dial it down, respect opponents and challenge them with his very best. Win with dignity, lose with dignity. Play for something bigger than himself. In between games, I want him to JUMP FENCES, knock back bullies, be kind to younger lacrosse players and kids who come to admire his play.

With those desires in mind, it's hard to be disappointed in the youth lacrosse experience whatever tournament you play in or whatever team you play for.

All this whining about �the Crabs�, �3d�, �holdbacks�, blah blah blah, its a fun read sometimes (like the crime blotter), but for the most part I�m embarrassed. If I was an enemy of United States, I would print off a copy of posts from this forum and hand them out to my soldiers. If they didn�t think they could kick our pansy, affluent, lazy asses before they read it� they would rapidly change their minds. Parents, please grow a pair � soon.

I did something none of your sons will do, compete in the Olympics. When you get there, this is the humble speech read off and it brings tears at the opening ceremony: "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well."

Winning is competing hard and competing well regardless of the level. Maybe if parents and clubs ran their affairs with some dignity this sport could be a lot more fun.

First of all, who are you to tell people they will never compete in the Olympics?

Second, I think people who do participate want to win. Isn't that the point?

If your not a winner, your a ........ Fact!

I wrote the dangerous fence jumping note. I am okay with my son jumping fences growing up. There is a time for that. 5 minutes before a lacrosse game jumping a fence with no top bar so that it cannot be jumped is NOT that time.

I am okay with holdbacks - I think these parents are harming more than helping their kids so their choice.

When I make a purchase I expect quality. Posting a buyer beware response to my disappointment is not whining

Thanks for sharing your family's Vietnam & WWII stories. I am sure your dad and grandad are happy to have defended your right to anonymously post on a web forum disparaging other anonymous posters on a web forum

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Honestly... I feel sorry for America. My grandfather watched Kamikazes fly into surrounding ships. My father's draft number came up for Viet Nam as a breadwinner and sole provider. My mother used to get a month off of school to pick potatoes. She was paid by the basket. Our generation takes the time ... on a youth lacrosse forum ... to whine about the "risks of fence jumping."

Here is my desire from lacrosse:

I want my kid to compete hard, commit himself to his team, check his limits, learn when its smart to play wide open and when its smart to dial it down, respect opponents and challenge them with his very best. Win with dignity, lose with dignity. Play for something bigger than himself. In between games, I want him to JUMP FENCES, knock back bullies, be kind to younger lacrosse players and kids who come to admire his play.

With those desires in mind, it's hard to be disappointed in the youth lacrosse experience whatever tournament you play in or whatever team you play for.

All this whining about �the Crabs�, �3d�, �holdbacks�, blah blah blah, its a fun read sometimes (like the crime blotter), but for the most part I�m embarrassed. If I was an enemy of United States, I would print off a copy of posts from this forum and hand them out to my soldiers. If they didn�t think they could kick our pansy, affluent, lazy asses before they read it� they would rapidly change their minds. Parents, please grow a pair � soon.

This is a great post, i am showing it to my kids tonight. I guarantee they will say "hey dad, are the holdbacks kind of like bullies?" - everything you say above is true, but yes, parents should grow a set and have their precious holdbacks play against kids their own age! My son is late in the year birthdate and just gets out there and plays, so he's not a pansy, but being his dad i would love to see the holdbacks play age appropriate competition.

I was an Olympic fence jumper, and yes, I was a holdback. I placed
3rd in the Vietnamese games, losing to a Crab dad and a Dad from the 3d program. Life is unfair!

Wait a minute...I competed in the all galaxy games as a rep of the southern milky way planets all-south team. I am an authority on all things good and know evil when I see it, do to my vast inter-galactic experiences. Top that....oh and I drove the lunar rover in the Sea of Tranquility. Please, gag us all... Olympian.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait a minute...I competed in the all galaxy games as a rep of the southern milky way planets all-south team. I am an authority on all things good and know evil when I see it, do to my vast inter-galactic experiences. Top that....oh and I drove the lunar rover in the Sea of Tranquility. Please, gag us all... Olympian.

Who are you people? Scarier than a terrorist cell in Baltimore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait a minute...I competed in the all galaxy games as a rep of the southern milky way planets all-south team. I am an authority on all things good and know evil when I see it, do to my vast inter-galactic experiences. Top that....oh and I drove the lunar rover in the Sea of Tranquility. Please, gag us all... Olympian.

I think the point was about sportsmanship, and you....no wait, never mind.

I disagree with your post. My boys play for a strong 7th grade philly team and we played several teams comprised of all-stars from multiple states such as 3d, West Coast Starz, CSC, etc. While these teams are good and getting better, they still have a bit to go to catch-up...

more from fl$ 3d (this event deserves it's own thread)

I received links to the video I stupidly bought. Amateur quality camera work. Plenty of missed action from my son's games. Another waste of $$$$

Considering having my son tryout for Crabs this year, for the first time. Any advice? Good idea or no?

I am a current Crabs parent, if you want your son to have an opportunity to compete against the best, to be well coached with an emphasis on making him a better player and winning, then try-out. Its is way better to have tried and failed, than to never compete and become a hater on the forum. As you can see this site is full of them.

I would not limit your son to one team or another. If he wants to play club, be sure to hit 4 or 5 tryouts and talk to the coach about the schedule for the club. Some clubs practice much more than others (fall, winter, indoor, etc.) Some clubs do fall and winter leagues as well as spring NPYLL. You need to find the one that meets your level of commitment and your kids dedication to the sport.

At the very least I would recommend attending:

Crabs: www.baltimorelacrosseclub.net - starts 8/17.
Annapolis Hawks: www.annapolishawks.com - starts this weekend.
Baltimore Breakers: www.breakerslacrosseclub.com - starts 8/17.

Thanks for the input. The NPYLL, where are most of the games played? Someone had told me around DC in most cases. Is that true?

NPYLL games are played at the home team's field - so anywhere from northern Baltimore, to Kent Island, to Northern VA and Hagerstown.

Does anyone have experience with goalie training at Crabs?
We are currently at a club (not naming names, not trying to bash anyone), that gives the goalies nothing more than, hey, get in the goal and we'll shoot on you. No real instruction.
Just wondering what their training for goalies is like. Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have experience with goalie training at Crabs?
We are currently at a club (not naming names, not trying to bash anyone), that gives the goalies nothing more than, hey, get in the goal and we'll shoot on you. No real instruction.
Just wondering what their training for goalies is like. Thanks in advance.

Unfortunately this is what almost all clubs do with there goalies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have experience with goalie training at Crabs?
We are currently at a club (not naming names, not trying to bash anyone), that gives the goalies nothing more than, hey, get in the goal and we'll shoot on you. No real instruction.
Just wondering what their training for goalies is like. Thanks in advance.

Unfortunately this is what almost all clubs do with there goalies.

Same in LI. Fortunately my son landed on a team where the coach gives the goalies some time during warm ups and works with them individually. I just think most coaches have no goalie experience and do not know how to help them or pinpoint what they need to improve on- other than saves and clears. A good goalie trainer can make or break a kid. sadly, they are few and far between.

FCA in Maryland brings in a goalie coach to work with upper age groups (U13-2017)...top notch training...the gentleman is hired privately by a lot of goalies in the area

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have experience with goalie training at Crabs?
We are currently at a club (not naming names, not trying to bash anyone), that gives the goalies nothing more than, hey, get in the goal and we'll shoot on you. No real instruction.
Just wondering what their training for goalies is like. Thanks in advance.

Unfortunately this is what almost all clubs do with there goalies.

I agree 100%. My son has played on teams where one of the coaches was a goalie and they still do nothing with there goalies. Whats worse though IMO is when a coach that knows nothing about the position trys to "correct" things with the goalie.

Same in LI. Fortunately my son landed on a team where the coach gives the goalies some time during warm ups and works with them individually. I just think most coaches have no goalie experience and do not know how to help them or pinpoint what they need to improve on- other than saves and clears. A good goalie trainer can make or break a kid. sadly, they are few and far between.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree 100%. My son has played on teams where one of the coaches was a goalie and they still do nothing with there goalies. Whats worse though IMO is when a coach that knows nothing about the position trys to "correct" things with the goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA in Maryland brings in a goalie coach to work with upper age groups (U13-2017)...top notch training...the gentleman is hired privately by a lot of goalies in the area

I think you are referring to ex-Towson coach "The Goalie Man" who helps Quint out at Summer camps. He is terrific and does personal instruction. I am constantly amazed to keep hearing about such top clubs that provide NO goalie instruction. There are a few clubs that can do this, FCA is one and most prominently 3d has collected a few goalies who were looking for instruction away from MadLax and VLC where there was none. I think one poster is right...a little bit of instruction at that position is a difference maker for a kid developing the right footwork and lacrosse IQ.

All of this instruction is usually one on one lessons or 2 to 3 kids. It is also for a fee that is beyond the club fee. Clubs might bring in someone for free here and there for a practice or clinic but all clubs in the Baltimore area have a point where if the kid wants more it costs money and they hook him up with a position specific instructor. Fyi.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA in Maryland brings in a goalie coach to work with upper age groups (U13-2017)...top notch training...the gentleman is hired privately by a lot of goalies in the area

I think you are referring to ex-Towson coach "The Goalie Man" who helps Quint out at Summer camps. He is terrific and does personal instruction. I am constantly amazed to keep hearing about such top clubs that provide NO goalie instruction. There are a few clubs that can do this, FCA is one and most prominently 3d has collected a few goalies who were looking for instruction away from MadLax and VLC where there was none. I think one poster is right...a little bit of instruction at that position is a difference maker for a kid developing the right footwork and lacrosse IQ.

How has 3D taken Goalies away from Madlax/VLC if this fall is the first year 3d will be in VA?

FUZE hasn't taken away anything from those clubs, FUZE is non-competitive

The Hawks bring in Ray Finnegan to work with the goalies. He does a great job.

FCA of Maryland has a goalie coach as mentioned above, they bring in Brent Hiken (MLL Outlaws) for faceoff work, during the summer top NCAA Div I players (Kelly - UNC, Connell-UNC, Deemer Class - Duke, Garrett Epple - ND) just to name a few...combine that with coaches that all have top DI experience...makes for a good recipe, will be seeing more of FCA in the near future!

News flash. All of the top clubs do the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash. All of the top clubs do the same.

Not here on Long Island they don't unless for an additional fee.

I heard Crabs do Indoor training, is that included in the pricetag or do they charge extra? Do Crabs bring in outside training for specialty positions? What is included in the price? Looking for a club, but don't want to get nickeled and dimed at every turn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA in Maryland brings in a goalie coach to work with upper age groups (U13-2017)...top notch training...the gentleman is hired privately by a lot of goalies in the area

I think you are referring to ex-Towson coach "The Goalie Man" who helps Quint out at Summer camps. He is terrific and does personal instruction. I am constantly amazed to keep hearing about such top clubs that provide NO goalie instruction. There are a few clubs that can do this, FCA is one and most prominently 3d has collected a few goalies who were looking for instruction away from MadLax and VLC where there was none. I think one poster is right...a little bit of instruction at that position is a difference maker for a kid developing the right footwork and lacrosse IQ.

How has 3D taken Goalies away from Madlax/VLC if this fall is the first year 3d will be in VA?

FUZE hasn't taken away anything from those clubs, FUZE is non-competitive

3d does MD teams and Mid-Atlantic team for HS aged kids. Those teams have taken away players from Madlax and VLC, including a D1 goalie commit and two youth team goalies. They have two MLL goalies as coaches to work with the kids. The 3d Virginia / Fuze thing, not sure about. Agreed on Fuze being a pretty low end team. This Fall will be first round of 3d teams after the Fuze Virginia acquisition.

3D was a bust. The best kids in MD and DC didn't flock to 3D. The kids who tried 3D were kids looking for more playing time.

That may change, but the talent at Fuze is pretty thin.

3D no different than the other late comers trying to glean players from the established clubs. Nothing new here or special with their teams.....as bad as their [lacrosse] poor tournaments

Anyone interested in 3d be forewarned, you will get great instruction but may not play. 3d likes to bring kids in from other regions to play. You can travel to a tourney, pay fees and hotel costs to watch kids you never saw before play on your "team" If your player enjoys developing chemistry with other players, 3d might not be a good program.

Munro plays favorites to the Colorado and Cali kids.
No way 3d competes locally with Crabs, Breakers, FCA or VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone interested in 3d be forewarned, you will get great instruction but may not play. 3d likes to bring kids in from other regions to play. You can travel to a tourney, pay fees and hotel costs to watch kids you never saw before play on your "team" If your player enjoys developing chemistry with other players, 3d might not be a good program.

Hey, thanks for the advice Ryan!!!

Did 3D ever apologize for that FLD in 3D tournament? What a fiasco.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard Crabs do Indoor training, is that included in the pricetag or do they charge extra? Do Crabs bring in outside training for specialty positions? What is included in the price? Looking for a club, but don't want to get nickeled and dimed at every turn

Crabs are hands down the best program..
Breakers, Hawks, FCA will have their moments.
Crabs set the standard.
End of story

Not sure why people think breakers is an elite program. Average at best. They play weak tourneys. Fca isn't elite yet. Could be considered that in a few years. Their best teams are really greene turtle teams and their younger teams are very average to below average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone interested in 3d be forewarned, you will get great instruction but may not play. 3d likes to bring kids in from other regions to play. You can travel to a tourney, pay fees and hotel costs to watch kids you never saw before play on your "team" If your player enjoys developing chemistry with other players, 3d might not be a good program.

You mean like the way Crabs brings in kids from their older teams when they play really tough competition? Is that what you mean?

3D / Fuze played before the Bayhawks game yesterday. 3d/fuze apparently just dumped the Fuze part of the name and gave all the gear with Fuze still on it away for free - so the kids and families were decked out nicely in fuze gear. The Annapolis Rec club AYLA beat them easily. No real changes to the program coaches or philosophy yet other than going from non-profit to for-profit apparently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D / Fuze played before the Bayhawks game yesterday. 3d/fuze apparently just dumped the Fuze part of the name and gave all the gear with Fuze still on it away for free - so the kids and families were decked out nicely in fuze gear. The Annapolis Rec club AYLA beat them easily. No real changes to the program coaches or philosophy yet other than going from non-profit to for-profit apparently.

Have you really been reduced to making these mean spirited observations about U-9 kids from some pohick in Virginia playing against an Annapolis rec team? Wow, that really makes a bold statement about the caliber of another rival club.

And do you mean for-profit like Crabs taking in club fees into a 501-C-3 entity and then the sole owner of that entity directing most of that money into tournament fees in a for-profit company also solely owned and managed by the same guy? Have another cheeseburger Ryan and hope the IRS has better things to do than read this board and audit your company.

Said the guy who's kid couldn't make the Crabs...

Ouch....................

My understanding is that there are two new 3d teams: 3d Virginia/Fuze, and 3d Mid-Atlantic/Maryland. The mid-atlantic team is based out of Annapolis, but pulls heavily from Virginia. It is invite-only and I believe just has a high school team right now. This is the team that several of VLC 2017 kids defected to, not the Virginia team. Never seen them play, but have heard that they are really good.

Untrue. A couple of Madlax and a couple of VLC kids joined this team over the sumer, which is a combo team. Basically kids who weren't happy about playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard Crabs do Indoor training, is that included in the pricetag or do they charge extra? Do Crabs bring in outside training for specialty positions? What is included in the price? Looking for a club, but don't want to get nickeled and dimed at every turn

Crabs advertize for Box Training on their website, but it is not run by the Crabs. It is an affiliation with Box Lacrosse Training. The sessions are run by Jordan Hall and Drew Westervelt. Jordan and Drew are not coaches for the Crabs. They do an excellent job with the kids. There are kids from the Crabs and other clubs at the sessions. I would really encourage you to take advantage of their training - every kid comes out better after each sessions....

http://www.boxlacrossetraining.com/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Untrue. A couple of Madlax and a couple of VLC kids joined this team over the sumer, which is a combo team. Basically kids who weren't happy about playing time.

There are at least three D1 commits who left MadLax and VLC for their own reasons this Summer. Kids who wanted something else, not kids who struggled to see the field obviously.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Untrue. A couple of Madlax and a couple of VLC kids joined this team over the sumer, which is a combo team. Basically kids who weren't happy about playing time.

There are at least three D1 commits who left MadLax and VLC for their own reasons this Summer. Kids who wanted something else, not kids who struggled to see the field obviously.

That's a complete lie. If you look at the kids from BOTH Madlax and VLC who left, you are not looking at a total of 3 D1 commitments. Not even close.

Nobody said some/all of them "struggled to see the field". What you wrote is not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Untrue. A couple of Madlax and a couple of VLC kids joined this team over the sumer, which is a combo team. Basically kids who weren't happy about playing time.

There are at least three D1 commits who left MadLax and VLC for their own reasons this Summer. Kids who wanted something else, not kids who struggled to see the field obviously.

That's a complete lie. If you look at the kids from BOTH Madlax and VLC who left, you are not looking at a total of 3 D1 commitments. Not even close.

Nobody said some/all of them "struggled to see the field". What you wrote is not true.

1 High Point + 1 Georgetown + 1 Ivy = 3. Actually you wrote they were not happy about playing time. You Crabs guys need to get back to wife beating.

Why do you assume that the kids left Madlax/VLC, rather than just guest playing for 3d in addition to their Madlax/VLC events?

No idea who the Ivy kid is, but the High Point and Gtown kids did exactly that. They didn't leave VLC...in fact they played at VLC's last tourney this summer after guesting with 3d. And they will continue with VLC this fall and beyond. You are very misinformed, or deliberately lying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you assume that the kids left Madlax/VLC, rather than just guest playing for 3d in addition to their Madlax/VLC events?

No idea who the Ivy kid is, but the High Point and Gtown kids did exactly that. They didn't leave VLC...in fact they played at VLC's last tourney this summer after guesting with 3d. And they will continue with VLC this fall and beyond. You are very misinformed, or deliberately lying.

Guest playing? You are joking, right? Whether these kids actually leave VLC is one thing, but they were definitely contemplating it or they wouldn't have been playing for another club. Sounds like VLC is starting to implode.

Actually, kids guest play for other clubs all the time. Every kid wants to get in front of coaches as much as possible. You would know that if you had as much knowledge about the club scene as you seem to imagine.

Nope, I'm quite sincere. Go ahead, ask those kids about their club affiliation and where they are playing this year. Or ask any of their teammates. Surely you know many of them, since you are so plugged in, right?

As for your comment about VLC...clearly wishful thinking. Go online and look at where VLC players have committed in the last few weeks alone. A few examples: Duke, Georgetown, Maryland, Navy, UVA, Amherst. Tough when nonsense runs into facts.

You vlc noobs are so predictable. A few choice adjectives and you start drooling on your keyboard and citing the number of commits. Happens every time without fail. Strange you still can't win a tournament. You also neglected to mention that the majority of the vlc kids guest playing for 3d decided not to return to vlc. Speaks volumes!

Kids change clubs for different reasons. Costs, prestige, needs to be showcased. I personally know one of the VLC parents of a kid that left, and their son is a recent D1 commit. Their reasons were all non lacrosse related. Costs and too much driving because they lived in Maryland, siblings also on Maryland teams. I was surprised to be told they were all positive on VLC and said 3d was not as good a team but was a better fit for their kids. He did say Ryan McClernan was a difficult personality but ran a great club. That was the only negative. How is it that all the "normal" VLC people seem to leave, even if the reasons are not lacrosse unhappy?

Did VLC's 2018 this Summer have a lot of holdbacks? No slam - just curious . . .

Ryan McClernan can be very difficult. If Crabs started today they'd be nothing like they are now. They are living off their past reputation. That is what continues to bring the good players to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you assume that the kids left Madlax/VLC, rather than just guest playing for 3d in addition to their Madlax/VLC events?

No idea who the Ivy kid is, but the High Point and Gtown kids did exactly that. They didn't leave VLC...in fact they played at VLC's last tourney this summer after guesting with 3d. And they will continue with VLC this fall and beyond. You are very misinformed, or deliberately lying.

Guest playing? You are joking, right? Whether these kids actually leave VLC is one thing, but they were definitely contemplating it or they wouldn't have been playing for another club. Sounds like VLC is starting to implode.

You Madlax dads are bizarre. You should be focused on the Madlax kids who played for 3D at that event. Somebody is about to get an angry email!

I think our respective posts speak for themselves.

Consider digging a little deeper on that "ivy commit" rather than taking what they've told you at face value. Might be surprised. Normal not the word I would use.

Not aware of any holdbacks for VLC 2018. Lots of public school kids so hard to see how they could have repeated a year...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think our respective posts speak for themselves.

Was referring to the post calling out "vlc noobs"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you assume that the kids left Madlax/VLC, rather than just guest playing for 3d in addition to their Madlax/VLC events?

No idea who the Ivy kid is, but the High Point and Gtown kids did exactly that. They didn't leave VLC...in fact they played at VLC's last tourney this summer after guesting with 3d. And they will continue with VLC this fall and beyond. You are very misinformed, or deliberately lying.

Guest playing? You are joking, right? Whether these kids actually leave VLC is one thing, but they were definitely contemplating it or they wouldn't have been playing for another club. Sounds like VLC is starting to implode.

You Madlax dads are bizarre. You should be focused on the Madlax kids who played for 3D at that event. Somebody is about to get an angry email!

What, how dare you talk bad about my son's super important lacrosse team. Those players were guest playing.

Have I mentioned that we have lots of commits on our team. A few examples: Duke, Georgetown, Maryland, Navy, UVA, Amherst. Tough when nonsense runs into facts.

Is guest play a new lacrosse urban dictionary term? Like repeating a grade is called reclassifying? At least half these kids will quit playing club after committing considering school teams play club tournaments now and there are a lot of throw together All Star invite teams that kids can do 1-3 tournaments in Summer with. That is not a dig on VLC but a slam on all vlub programs. Give it one more year and you won't be seeing any of the best players doing club after Fall of 9th grade. We are already seeing that some. Clubs will soon be bragging about the commits who used to play for their teams.

Guest playing = guest paying

...or worse yet, the original players paying but not playing and the guests suiting up for a freebie.

How did VLC parents get to be this terrible? Did Mylan P. become your leader among crazy parents? Used to be such a friendly club for families in Fairfax County. VLC was never hurting to produce college commits in 2012 or now. Neither has MadLax or Blackwolf. Why the hate over a few kids leaving you club?

Very well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did VLC parents get to be this terrible? Did Mylan P. become your leader among crazy parents? Used to be such a friendly club for families in Fairfax County. VLC was never hurting to produce college commits in 2012 or now. Neither has MadLax or Blackwolf. Why the hate over a few kids leaving you club?

Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did VLC parents get to be this terrible? Did Mylan P. become your leader among crazy parents? Used to be such a friendly club for families in Fairfax County. VLC was never hurting to produce college commits in 2012 or now. Neither has MadLax or Blackwolf. Why the hate over a few kids leaving you club?

Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc.

I'm speculating here, but maybe posters are only discussing VLC because it's more fun to watch you VLC dad's throw virtual temper tampers, stomping your feet, and pounding your fists. Quite entertaining and very disturbing!!! The madlax parents (or any other club parent for that matter) do not react with the same level of fanaticism. And no, I'm not a madlax parent.

Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc. [/quote]

I'm speculating here, but maybe posters are only discussing VLC because it's more fun to watch you VLC dad's throw virtual temper tampers, stomping your feet, and pounding your fists. Quite entertaining and very disturbing!!! The madlax parents (or any other club parent for that matter) do not react with the same level of fanaticism. And no, I'm not a madlax parent. [/quote]

Three words of advice to VLC parents: try fantasy football.

Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc. [/quote]

So in summary VLC is the best team with the most commits, kids guest play but never leave VLC, the only kids who are allowed to leave VLC are the lousy players who are unhappy with playing time, there is no such thing as a kid who left VLC who ever committed or will commit, parents from every other club team in the area are crazy and jealous and anyone who disagrees with any of what you wrote is a lying liar. And if anyone wants to fight, head over to the beer bash VLC tent at the next tournament. Thank you, we are all happy you cleared everything up for us.

Just reading through this thread and it seems like the Madlax parents started it by saying VLC is falling apart, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just reading through this thread and it seems like the Madlax parents started it by saying VLC is falling apart, etc.

Interesting choice of words, "...the madlax parents started it..."

To add to the summary, anyone ever disagreeing with VLC must ALWAYS be from Madlax.

I read the posts differently. You need to go a few further posts back. A poster, likely with no affiliation to madlax - but who knows, mentioned that several VLC kids left the program. Then a mentally deranged VLC parent started foaming at the mouth, quoting commits, blabbering nonsense about kids guest playing, bashing other clubs, calling people liars, and generally acting like a giant baby.

This behavior from VLC parents is not limited to the internet. Wait to you get a load of them at games! You will never see parents whine, cry and be bigger victims than that group. It's embarrassing.

VLC parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This behavior from VLC parents is not limited to the internet. Wait to you get a load of them at games! You will never see parents whine, cry and be bigger victims than that group. It's embarrassing.

VLC parent

Correlation for this stuff to the arrival of the Myland show is 100%. It is embarrassing, glad they are not our problem anymore and sorry they are yours.

MadLax parent

You're right. There is a lot of embarrassing behavior out there.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're right. There is a lot of embarrassing behavior out there.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

VLC parent, please give it a rest. No one cares about madlax, you are making a fool of yourself and our organization.

Crab Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're right. There is a lot of embarrassing behavior out there.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

VLC parent, please give it a rest. No one cares about madlax, you are making a fool of yourself and our organization.

Crab Parent

Nice to see Mid-Atlantic parents are even more insane than LI parents.... Keep it up, it's very entertaining.

Yeah create a Madlax or VLC thread and take it there....no wait...no one cares, forget it.

No comments on the MadLax thread for months. Somewhere Cabell is smiling. Who is the crazy lunatic now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're right. There is a lot of embarrassing behavior out there.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

VLC parent, please give it a rest. No one cares about madlax, you are making a fool of yourself and our organization.

Crab Parent

Nice to see Mid-Atlantic parents are even more insane than LI parents.... Keep it up, it's very entertaining.

Yes, it is. Put a Crabs sticker on VLC side helmets and whooiieee, it's like listening to your cousin with D cup implants who just married up. I love that nervous cringe when I ask a BLC parent if his son plays for the Virginia or the Baltimore Crabs. The blue bloods at BLC hate that, but what can they do? Friends you choose, family you're stuck with. This board is precious.

Not as good as listening to a Madlax parent trying to explain the emails.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Alright, I'll bite. My son is 13 and a 2019 player for a MD club team. I will say that the "hold backs" are annoying to many parents and kids, and I do think there are some safety risks associated with doing this depending on the age group.
BUT...the hold backs are a result of the private schools here in MD and NOT because of the Crabs, FCA, or any of the other elite team in the state. The clubs have no control over this, and why wouldn't they pick up a player that tried out and is in the correct grad year class? There is a biased towards the Crabs, but let's be real, the Crabs are the destination of choice by many of the elite players so naturally you may see more playing for them. I've been to many tournaments, and seen what appear to be grown men running down the field on a 2019 team. LI teams, Texas teams, VA teams, MD teams, it happens everywhere. The whole MD vs LI thing is all bs, there are good players in both places and the fact that a team beat another team 1 year in 1 tournament means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Teams change every year at this level and will for another few years. So, get over it. It's a fact of life and it does not look like things will change any time soon.

just another "lax bro" landon reclass gaming the system.

http://deadspin.com/why-rich-lacrosse-parents-are-making-their-kids-repeat-1570381983

In terms of holdbacks, you are right. You can't repeat grades in the public school systems because you feel like it, you repeat because you flunked a grade. You won't see private schools complaining that people will pay $30K tuition a year to them for four or five years depending on 8th or 9th grades repeated. That is good for business if you are an MIAA or IAC prep school in Maryland. The basic thing is people will pay $120K - $150K for a prep school to give their kids a better chance to get a lacrosse scholarship worth $5K - $20K a year for four years. Instead of mocking the kids, we should be laughing at the financial stupidity of the parents. I feel like fool enough paying $300 a day for lacrosse at showcases or prospect days. Paying $300 a day to a college program for a sign up prospect day doesn't sound to me like the college program recruiting my son, it sounds a lot more like a money grab. The king money grab is full paying customers at MD prep schools.

Agree 100%

The holdback / reclassifying is fueled by the egotistical parents of private school kids that can justify it solely on the grounds "because they can". Mathematically it makes no sense at all - but they can afford it! Tough for the U13AA player moving up to the U15AA team only to find out half of players from last year's U15 team are repeating. I would have a hard time watching my son abuse 8th graders when he should be playing high school lacrosse with his peers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The holdback / reclassifying is fueled by the egotistical parents of private school kids that can justify it solely on the grounds "because they can". Mathematically it makes no sense at all - but they can afford it! Tough for the U13AA player moving up to the U15AA team only to find out half of players from last year's U15 team are repeating. I would have a hard time watching my son abuse 8th graders when he should be playing high school lacrosse with his peers.

If you are a suburbia Maryland 5'7 prep school 9th grader at the age of 16 and drinking creatine shakes three times a day to get up to 160 pounds, what other sports can you go D1 in? Soccer and cross country running. Lacrosse has not grown enough yet where this sport is not a sanctuary for athletic but undersized white prep school kids. Makes sense parents want to keep the Camelot going by repeating junior in school. Soon that won't matter. Think 6'0+ and 200lbs+ football players undersized for D1 football coming into this sport.

I have been saying that for years. You take a all-county linebacker that is undersized at 6' 190 lbs and cannot get a sniff at D3 college football - put a long pole in his hand and in two years he is killing it. I have never been involved in a sport where there is such an assumption that the kids are all going to play college lacrosse. I guess it has been a given for a long time in the Baltimore lacrosse scene.

ALL sports are going the route of bigger stronger athletes! The days of 5'7 160lbs D1 lacrosse players is almost dead and will be done soon. The smaller players will have to be twice as good as the bigger stronger players to earn the spots that they used to own.

What is bigger stronger going to do for you when you can't touch another player on the field without a penalty being called. Days of being a tough lacrosse player are over. I think there is a new rule if you say the word "man" when going for a ground ball it is a penalty. Quicker faster is the new lax player profile. Soon you wont need any pads there will be no more checking at all. They are killing the game

[quote=Anonymous]What is bigger stronger going to do for you when you can't touch another player on the field without a penalty being called. Days of being a tough lacrosse player are over. I think there is a new rule if you say the word "man" when going for a ground ball it is a penalty. Quicker faster is the new lax player profile. Soon you wont need any pads there will be no more checking at all. They are killing the game [/quot

That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior.

[quote=Anonymous
That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior. [/quote]

Obviously the bitter janitor at Boys Latin or Prep

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous
That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior.

Obviously the bitter janitor at Boys Latin or Prep [/quote]

Wrong, just a comment from a realistic lacrosse parent of a public school "new era" athlete who smokes you Crabby Patties every time on the field. Enjoy what is left of the dying breed, or in-bred.

While the clubs have no control over all these hold backs they encourage it. I was at the Crabs tryouts last year for U11 or 5th grade and the head guy said and that the team would be grade base not aged and he would actually encourage our children to stay back a grade if needed for development. This was said to all the parents.
He isnt the only club director that thinks this way. At the youth level I find all this whole back and grade based teams against all the things we constantly hear about fair sportsmanship at the youth level. Letting a select groups of kids play down goes against fair play at youth level no matter how you spin it...Dont you just love the same people who have no problem with all these holdbacks talking about the spirit of game..yep created said hold back that child and get a edge...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While the clubs have no control over all these hold backs they encourage it. I was at the Crabs tryouts last year for U11 or 5th grade and the head guy said and that the team would be grade base not aged and he would actually encourage our children to stay back a grade if needed for development. This was said to all the parents.
He isnt the only club director that thinks this way. At the youth level I find all this whole back and grade based teams against all the things we constantly hear about fair sportsmanship at the youth level. Letting a select groups of kids play down goes against fair play at youth level no matter how you spin it...Dont you just love the same people who have no problem with all these holdbacks talking about the spirit of game..yep created said hold back that child and get a edge...

Crabs said from the start (even on the website) that the 2021 and 2020 teams would be grade based - not sure why anyone would be surprised

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior.

Obviously the bitter janitor at Boys Latin or Prep

Wrong, just a comment from a realistic lacrosse parent of a public school "new era" athlete who smokes you Crabby Patties every time on the field. Enjoy what is left of the dying breed, or in-bred.

Get your jabs in now, because once school starts you will have some cleaning up to do

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior.

Obviously the bitter janitor at Boys Latin or Prep

Wrong, just a comment from a realistic lacrosse parent of a public school "new era" athlete who smokes you Crabby Patties every time on the field. Enjoy what is left of the dying breed, or in-bred.

Get your jabs in now, because once school starts you will have some cleaning up to do

You stay classy Baltimore.

Not surprised at all that Crabs do it.I was responding ""that clubs just deal with all holdbacks""..It is more than that when certain clubs encourage it. Of course they encourage it as they get the majority of holdbacks . And the most holdbacks on a team will result in most wins at the youth level. Most wins more prestigious the club...Levels out somewhat once players get to HS but at youth level makes a HUGE difference. Maryland and its reason for grade based teams should be on the HALL OF SHAME of youth athletics. Why USL doesnt come out with some strong statements is beyond me??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While the clubs have no control over all these hold backs they encourage it. I was at the Crabs tryouts last year for U11 or 5th grade and the head guy said and that the team would be grade base not aged and he would actually encourage our children to stay back a grade if needed for development. This was said to all the parents.
He isnt the only club director that thinks this way. At the youth level I find all this whole back and grade based teams against all the things we constantly hear about fair sportsmanship at the youth level. Letting a select groups of kids play down goes against fair play at youth level no matter how you spin it...Dont you just love the same people who have no problem with all these holdbacks talking about the spirit of game..yep created said hold back that child and get a edge...

Spot on. NPYLL voted to stay age based this coming year. Crabs and Hawks vetoed it and NPYLL is going grade based. Why? So Crabs can continue to field teams of overage players. Crabs are at the heart of the problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alright, I'll bite. My son is 13 and a 2019 player for a MD club team. I will say that the "hold backs" are annoying to many parents and kids, and I do think there are some safety risks associated with doing this depending on the age group.
BUT...the hold backs are a result of the private schools here in MD and NOT because of the Crabs, FCA, or any of the other elite team in the state. The clubs have no control over this, and why wouldn't they pick up a player that tried out and is in the correct grad year class? There is a biased towards the Crabs, but let's be real, the Crabs are the destination of choice by many of the elite players so naturally you may see more playing for them. I've been to many tournaments, and seen what appear to be grown men running down the field on a 2019 team. LI teams, Texas teams, VA teams, MD teams, it happens everywhere. The whole MD vs LI thing is all bs, there are good players in both places and the fact that a team beat another team 1 year in 1 tournament means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Teams change every year at this level and will for another few years. So, get over it. It's a fact of life and it does not look like things will change any time soon.

Very na�ve. I understand your point related to the Prefirst year, but that doesn�t explain the huge numbers reclassing in 8th grade. Funny thing, coincidental I�m sure, that these players mostly play for the Crabs

"Maryland and its reason for grade based teams should be on the HALL OF SHAME of youth athletics."

where are you from? when my kid 1st started playing just 3 years ago all balt area club teams including Crabs were age. Looney's, Green Turtle, Breakers, Rough Riders - all went by age. Just about all MD tournaments were too and still are - LaxSplash, beach Lax, Summer sizzle, summer exposure, green turtle, capital classic. When we ventured north to PA and NJ the tournaments mostly went by grade and the NY, PA, NJ teams mostly had graduation year in their names. Not saying MD prep schools don't have their fair share of holdbacks and reclassing in 8th for lax is crazy -- but it seems as the clubs down here followed the lead of our friends to the north

Take reclassers away from the Crabs==weak sister VLC!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take reclassers away from the Crabs==weak sister VLC!!

Except that the weak sister VLC also has a number of reclass kids

There is a HUGE difference in Teams up North as grade based. All the teams we played from NJ and NY were grade based. But they could have easily have been age based as all the players were at the proper age for tournaments. At least that was the teams we played from up North. The Long Island parents looked at me strange when I asked about how many holdbacks were on their team. Maryland has gone grade base for ALL club teams at the youth level this year and one of the BIG reasons is the HUGE amount of children held back at the many private schools in Maryland. If you think that isnt the reason than your head is in the sand. Once again Maryland should be in the "HALL OF SHAME" for youth athletics for this movement to accommodate these selected children of holdbacks...Letting your children play down at youth level goes well with all this character education at the private schools in Maryland that is all the rage now...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take reclassers away from the Crabs==weak sister VLC!!

Except that the weak sister VLC also has a number of reclass kids

The 2 best Madlax 2017 kids are kids who reclassified.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a HUGE difference in Teams up North as grade based. All the teams we played from NJ and NY were grade based. But they could have easily have been age based as all the players were at the proper age for tournaments. At least that was the teams we played from up North. The Long Island parents looked at me strange when I asked about how many holdbacks were on their team. Maryland has gone grade base for ALL club teams at the youth level this year and one of the BIG reasons is the HUGE amount of children held back at the many private schools in Maryland. If you think that isnt the reason than your head is in the sand. Once again Maryland should be in the "HALL OF SHAME" for youth athletics for this movement to accommodate these selected children of holdbacks...Letting your children play down at youth level goes well with all this character education at the private schools in Maryland that is all the rage now...

I thought reclassing was also fairly prevalent in NJ and Philly where there are also a lot of private school kids. It doesn't happen as often in LI because most kids go to the public schools.

I'm not in the middle of this, but my understanding was that New [lacrosse] public schools placed kids in grades based on the calendar year. So that, for example, a kid with a November birthday would be in the same grade as a kid born 6 months early in May.

By contrast, U.S. Lacrosse uses a September 1st cutoff, which is I think is pretty similar to the breakpoint many parents use for which grade their kids attend. (Although I understand it is more common now for parents to "hold back" a boy born in July or August than back in my grade school days.)

This would explain why New [lacrosse] would field grade-based teams, so they aren't splitting up kids from their friends in their same grade. This would also mean that NY grade-based teams are, on average, a little bit younger than most grade-based teams.

That's quite a different purpose than going to grade-based teams so that you can have pre-September 1st kids on your team and not have to worry about U.S. Lacrosse age rules. While I doubt anyone cares about a kid with an August 28th birthday "playing down", it makes a pretty significant difference if a kid is born much earlier than that.

Besides eventual recruiting issues more pertinent to LI and Md, my non-hotbed program going to grade-based teams in order to let more kids per grade be on the "A" team, keep kids together and, most significantly, offer the best and safest competition by playing kids your own age. Stacking your grade based team with older kids takes away from this last objective, but it's still safer for my 6th graders to play "old" 6th graders than it is to play 7th graders - so it's hard to care too much.

I agree that I think it's ridiculous to hold back developmentally-normal younger kids for athletic reasons, but it seems incredibly prevalent as kids jump to private HS's across the country, certainly not just for lacrosse. I have to think many of those parents are not paying "retail" tuition.

Yes NY School cutoff is an added source of disadvantage a kid who was born December 1, 1999 could be:

A natural 2017 if born in NY
A natural 2018 if born in MD
A holdback 2019 if born in MD and reclassified for Private School

According to US Lacrosse youth age cutoffs this kid should be 2018.

Landon doing Fall season and holding a Nov HS team tournament. PVI, SSAS, Gonzaga. Well, that pretty much puts a pill in VLC and Madlax both, and 3d too for that matter for kids who went there. HS teams are now playing Summer and Fall seasons.

Bye bye club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Landon doing Fall season and holding a Nov HS team tournament. PVI, SSAS, Gonzaga. Well, that pretty much puts a pill in VLC and Madlax both, and 3d too for that matter for kids who went there. HS teams are now playing Summer and Fall seasons.

Bye bye club lacrosse.

Bye-bye to the high school teams, but not 2nd thru 8th grade. From what I could see, the high school club kids were just all-star teams pulled from where ever the clubs could get them. They were not really representative of the kids the clubs actually coached and developed. I could be wrong.

I just hope the public high schools do not start having summer and fall teams. This will hurt the top level public school kids who should get the chance to be seen with the best kids in the USA. The PVIs of the world will have the talent to play anyone.

This is a example of people not looking out for whats best for the kids. The high school coach cares about his team and his record not whats best for the best player or players on his team. There is nothing worse then a low level team with one or two players who are supper studs and the coaches are not telling these kids to leave there program and play at a level and team that they should be playing for/on. I blame weak parents who know there kid is playing with a weak local program but they do not want to upset there local friends so they keep there son stuck on a crappy team.

Is that an argument that clubs care about the kids more than the D1 commits list for their programs to attract youth program kids shooting for the same? Come on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Landon doing Fall season and holding a Nov HS team tournament. PVI, SSAS, Gonzaga. Well, that pretty much puts a pill in VLC and Madlax both, and 3d too for that matter for kids who went there. HS teams are now playing Summer and Fall seasons.

Bye bye club lacrosse.

Hyperbole much? This is hardly the end of club lacrosse. Some HS teams have been playing summer ball for years, and it did nothing to end club lacrosse.

I think when you get to the varsity level, more HS are attending tournaments as a HS team. The Crabs makes it clear in their sign-ups that you have to clear with HS coach that the schedules won't conflict. In the past that was not an issue but the more tournaments that HS participate in, the more conflict. My guess is any smart kid will choose to play with his HS team over club if forced to choose. Most club's will understand the decision

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think when you get to the varsity level, more HS are attending tournaments as a HS team. The Crabs makes it clear in their sign-ups that you have to clear with HS coach that the schedules won't conflict. In the past that was not an issue but the more tournaments that HS participate in, the more conflict. My guess is any smart kid will choose to play with his HS team over club if forced to choose. Most club's will understand the decision

This only holds true for the top HS teams - most public and 2nd tier private play with their clubs

How were the turnouts for the first round of Crabs tryouts? The FCA tryouts had a ton of kids. Heard Breakers was stacked too.

110 at Crabs 15U

The top club teams are not holding a kid back from getting the best looks that kid should be getting. I do not mind paying money if its for my kid to play with the best and be the best. The best kid or two on these mid to lower level club/high school teams need to play for the better AA top club teams. That is whats best for those stud players. They should not be held back by some local big mouth high school/club coach telling him he needs to play with his friends/high school teamates.

Couple hundred kids at 2018/2019 tryouts.

Multiple kids trying out for several teams!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couple hundred kids at 2018/2019 tryouts.

It is ironic that you combined the two age groups. There are as many as 7 boys that played for the 2018 team last year that are trying out for the 2019 team this year.

They were combined because they tried out on same days so I saw both groups.

How can that be if you played 2018 last year and are trying out for 2019 this year??????

Two separate sessions on the same day. Session 1 - 2019, session 2 - 2018. They were back to back. My son trying out for 2019 team and the 2018 players were right after us. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. If you want it broken out there were about a hundred at each.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How can that be if you played 2018 last year and are trying out for 2019 this year??????

Above poster out it best, "Crabs are at the heart of the [reclassing] problem"

Lacrosse has been ruined by crazy parents acting like a partial lacrosse scholarship is worth these tradeoffs to hold their sissy kids back for an advantage.

Whats back to back sessions got to do with playing 2018 last year and trying out for 2019 this year.. Must be age base last year and grade base this year players...in other words kids that have been heldback..They are going to be some outstanding players if they made team last year and are trying out for same team or less this year...Way to go Maryland...Spirit of youth athletics at its Best!

Best way to respond to that is ..waaaahhhhh.

I was answering the question on how many kids were at tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best way to respond to that is ..waaaahhhhh.

Yes, that is exactly how MD sissies respond.

Exactly Maryland ...who has the most players in Nation playing down in the sport of lacrosse....MARYLAND...the king of lacrosse holdbacks ....Way to go Maryland...You are the Man... Nothing like having your children play down....You set an example we all should follow in the world of lacrosse.

Long Island dads are insane.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly Maryland ...who has the most players in Nation playing down in the sport of lacrosse....MARYLAND...the king of lacrosse holdbacks ....Way to go Maryland...You are the Man... Nothing like having your children play down....You set an example we all should follow in the world of lacrosse.

Do you have some statistic you can point to proving this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly Maryland ...who has the most players in Nation playing down in the sport of lacrosse....MARYLAND...the king of lacrosse holdbacks ....Way to go Maryland...You are the Man... Nothing like having your children play down....You set an example we all should follow in the world of lacrosse.

Do you have some statistic you can point to proving this?

Yes, the club roster birthdates of MD teams for all youth and HS teams versus. Now, where does your reply go next with that data? Back to name calling?

For what's it worth, many teachers feel that boys are so behind girls in maturity that they should all be held back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For what's it worth, many teachers feel that boys are so behind girls in maturity that they should all be held back.

I'm a teacher, and that is ridiculous!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly Maryland ...who has the most players in Nation playing down in the sport of lacrosse....MARYLAND...the king of lacrosse holdbacks ....Way to go Maryland...You are the Man... Nothing like having your children play down....You set an example we all should follow in the world of lacrosse.

Do you have some statistic you can point to proving this?

This is concrete evidence at its best
Great job

Yes, the club roster birthdates of MD teams for all youth and HS teams versus. Now, where does your reply go next with that data? Back to name calling?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For what's it worth, many teachers feel that boys are so behind girls in maturity that they should all be held back.

I'm a teacher, and that is ridiculous!!

You may find it ridiculous but there are many who do not:

http://www.parents.com/kids/education/kindergarten/kindergarten-age/

Many do find it ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/dont-delay-your-kindergartners-start.html

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many do find it ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/dont-delay-your-kindergartners-start.html

This article talks about delaying school, which is not the same as repeating kindergarten or first grade. Try another google search.

So there is a big difference in holding your child from starting Kindergarten and holding him back after ONE year in kindergarten.. Yea that's a BIG difference. Those mature kindergartners know the difference after attending school one year. It talks about younger vs older in grade school. Maybe you need to go back and redshirt kindergarten!

Teams announced yesterday.
CRABS 2018 have some real solid additions.
That team is going to be tough.

CRABS 2018 team announced.
Going to be very special....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams announced yesterday.
CRABS 2018 have some real solid additions.
That team is going to be tough.

Do kids leave or are they cut? Some additions also means subtractions. Feel bad for a kid if he came up playing for the Crabs and then gets whacked right when it starts to matter for recruiting.

Thought they were supposed to post the 2019s sometime this morning. Any idea what the hold up is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2018 team announced.
Going to be very special....

I will have to take your word. There are only numbers, no names, on website. What gives?

Heard the average age of the 2018 team is 17 (plus or minus).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the average age of the 2018 team is 17 (plus or minus).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2018 team announced.
Going to be very special....

... and very old.

Same story line as last year - but FCA still spanked them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams announced yesterday.
CRABS 2018 have some real solid additions.
That team is going to be tough.

The brilliance in this is parents don't have to drive to Fall tournaments.

Funny stuff... Wonder if the record books of lacrosse and US top teams will have an asterisk by Maryland teams one day..It will be for all the holdbacks on the Top teams from HS down to U9. Sorta like the Steroid era for Baseball. We will have the holdback era for Lacrosse....Funny stuff...

Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.

91 Orange (2019), how many holdbacks, or kids that are 15 or are turning 15 will your team have on its roster this year? If the answer is zero, you have every reason to be upset. You have arguably the best team in the country and look at the lengths the competition is going to in an effort to beat you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.

91 Orange (2019), how many holdbacks, or kids that are 15 or are turning 15 will your team have on its roster this year? If the answer is zero, you have every reason to be upset. You have arguably the best team in the country and look at the lengths the competition is going to in an effort to beat you.

Not sure any LI top 2019 team has a 15 or soon to be 15. Is this a norm in MD?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alright, I'll bite. My son is 13 and a 2019 player for a MD club team. I will say that the "hold backs" are annoying to many parents and kids, and I do think there are some safety risks associated with doing this depending on the age group.
BUT...the hold backs are a result of the private schools here in MD and NOT because of the Crabs, FCA, or any of the other elite team in the state. The clubs have no control over this, and why wouldn't they pick up a player that tried out and is in the correct grad year class? There is a biased towards the Crabs, but let's be real, the Crabs are the destination of choice by many of the elite players so naturally you may see more playing for them. I've been to many tournaments, and seen what appear to be grown men running down the field on a 2019 team. LI teams, Texas teams, VA teams, MD teams, it happens everywhere. The whole MD vs LI thing is all bs, there are good players in both places and the fact that a team beat another team 1 year in 1 tournament means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Teams change every year at this level and will for another few years. So, get over it. It's a fact of life and it does not look like things will change any time soon.

What LI team has hold backs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.

91 Orange (2019), how many holdbacks, or kids that are 15 or are turning 15 will your team have on its roster this year? If the answer is zero, you have every reason to be upset. You have arguably the best team in the country and look at the lengths the competition is going to in an effort to beat you.

Crabs are good but were beaten by LI teams in almost age group, without the need for holdbacks.

Looks like Daddy Ball has made its way to CRABS now. Sad.

Now? They had a hardshells team just for 1 coaches son. Another kid on the 2017 team is only there because his father coaches a younger team...Crabs is all about the $ these days. The days of glory are long gone.

I didnt even know about that one....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.

91 Orange (2019), how many holdbacks, or kids that are 15 or are turning 15 will your team have on its roster this year? If the answer is zero, you have every reason to be upset. You have arguably the best team in the country and look at the lengths the competition is going to in an effort to beat you.

Not sure any LI top 2019 team has a 15 or soon to be 15. Is this a norm in MD?

They must be talking about those teams from Mass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now? They had a hardshells team just for 1 coaches son. Another kid on the 2017 team is only there because his father coaches a younger team...Crabs is all about the $ these days. The days of glory are long gone.

You FCA guys never stop, do you?

Can wait to beat the 2022 crabs

Not a big Crabs fan, but you just can't argue with their success. They are always strong at every level. Not too many clubs can claim that...

WOW!! This Crabs Venom is just crazy.
Every one of you negative posters would jump at the chance to have your kid play for them...

They set the bar and are the best.
End of story!!!

(and you are dying to get an invite to their tourneys!!) ha ha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Daddy Ball has made its way to CRABS now. Sad.

What does that mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOW!! This Crabs Venom is just crazy.
Every one of you negative posters would jump at the chance to have your kid play for them...

They set the bar and are the best.
End of story!!!

(and you are dying to get an invite to their tourneys!!) ha ha

Not the best, barely won any tournaments. Get your head out of the sand!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WOW!! This Crabs Venom is just crazy.
Every one of you negative posters would jump at the chance to have your kid play for them...

They set the bar and are the best.
End of story!!!

(and you are dying to get an invite to their tourneys!!) ha ha

Not the best, barely won any tournaments. Get your head out of the sand!

I saw them lose in every bracket at there own crabfest tournament

News Flash, it's not just the guys over at FCA that think Crabs and McClernan are bad guys! Keep holding kids back and try to pad your impressive numbers. The days of the Rabils and Stanwicks are long gone...better players seeking better options

It means there are kids making CRABS teams because DAD is the coach, and thats the only reason. That can be found all over I get, but thought CRABS was supposed to be 100% only the best kids make it. Not the case.

The Crabs obviously get some really good players. The last few years they have been the powerhouse of Clubs in Baltimore. With the explosion of all these new Club teams along with existing clubs trying to get better, wonder if Crabs will have good teams across boards and maybe an outstanding team or two.Not either the best or second best in every league and tournament as before. No question Club lacrosse is getting diluted in Baltimore at the present time. There are just so many clubs vying for the above average players. Of course holdbacks will help out ...

Just like division I basketball, more talent available and more options available. Crabs probably strongest from top to bottom, but FCA and Hawks challenging the throne. All of the elite teams also have the most holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs obviously get some really good players. The last few years they have been the powerhouse of Clubs in Baltimore. With the explosion of all these new Club teams along with existing clubs trying to get better, wonder if Crabs will have good teams across boards and maybe an outstanding team or two.Not either the best or second best in every league and tournament as before. No question Club lacrosse is getting diluted in Baltimore at the present time. There are just so many clubs vying for the above average players. Of course holdbacks will help out ...

I was talking to a X hawk players dad the other day and he says they had huge numbers at tryouts "2018" This fall.Also I think with the rise of better teams kids will play for the club the practices near there house?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was talking to a X hawk players dad the other day and he says they had huge numbers at tryouts "2018" This fall.Also I think with the rise of better teams kids will play for the club the practices near there house?

No comparison between Hawks and Crabs, at least not yet. Hawks need to be able to field good teams at every level, year-in and year-out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was talking to a X hawk players dad the other day and he says they had huge numbers at tryouts "2018" This fall.Also I think with the rise of better teams kids will play for the club the practices near there house?

No comparison between Hawks and Crabs, at least not yet. Hawks need to be able to field good teams at every level, year-in and year-out.

3 best players left hawks and went to crabs......

Did any FCA palyers move over to Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was talking to a X hawk players dad the other day and he says they had huge numbers at tryouts "2018" This fall.Also I think with the rise of better teams kids will play for the club the practices near there house?

No comparison between Hawks and Crabs, at least not yet. Hawks need to be able to field good teams at every level, year-in and year-out.

3 best players left hawks and went to crabs......

hawks best player still there

3 Of the best left.....

and 4 more from the 2017 team that blew up....

And it's a fact that anyone would leave for the chance to play for the Crabs.

Unless... Your dad is a Hawks Coach.

Lots of FCA 2019 trying out for the Crabs, not one made the team.

Some observations while looking at the Crabs rosters. Their younger teams are LOADED with holdbacks from private schools. Many of these kids are lucky and playing at the same level they did last year. Nothing like getting a "groundhog day" in lacrosse..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of FCA 2019 trying out for the Crabs, not one made the team.

Interesting observation. Quite a few 2019 Crabs from last year 's team did not make the team this year either. Look at the number of boys that were on the 2018 Crab 's team last year that will be on the 2019 team this year. I would be furious if my son was cut and replaced by a boy that was reclassifying (in the same program). The whole thing is a joke.

Looks like Madlax lost their best 2020 mid to the crabs

Long drive from NoVa to BL for practice

Lots of FCA 2019 trying out for the Crabs, not one made the team. [/quote]
Interesting observation. Quite a few 2019 Crabs from last year 's team did not make the team this year either. Look at the number of boys that were on the 2018 Crab 's team last year that will be on the 2019 team this year. I would be furious if my son was cut and replaced by a boy that was reclassifying (in the same program). The whole thing is a joke. [/

Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up. The joke is that you haters think your chatter will change anything. MUCH more respect for the kids and parents of those kids who put it out there, try-out and don't make the team, than any respect for bash-ers who commentate from the comfort of the sideline. Or the comfort of a forum. True, several returning players did not make the 2019 Crabs squad. But if you asked them all they would say to a man or woman that their kids are better players for having gone through the experience.

He is a good kid from a good family. The 2020 team is a weaker team right now. I can respect a family that does whats best for there kid. Good luck I hope he plays well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax lost their best 2020 mid to the crabs

Long drive from NoVa to BL for practice

Not a new phenomenon. People from the DC area have been playing for the Crabs for years. Recently, some MD kids have been travelling to DC to play for VLC. Expect the trend to continue. Kids are going to go to clubs they think will best improve them/help with recruiting.

"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is a good kid from a good family. The 2020 team is a weaker team right now. I can respect a family that does whats best for there kid. Good luck I hope he plays well.

2020 team is going to struggle this year.
Lost the best middie and defense is mostly last year's U11. Even one of their key U11 defenders seems to have taken a season off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.

7 players on 2019 Crabs were on a Crabs U15 Roster this past Summer. Not sure if any of these players compete at the highest level at their own age. 91 will still beat them by 5+ goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.

7 players on 2019 Crabs were on a Crabs U15 Roster this past Summer. Not sure if any of these players compete at the highest level at their own age. 91 will still beat them by 5+ goals.

The Baltimore kids all know one another. Next spring, when 2019 Crabs plays 2019 Breakers/Rock/Green Turtle/MLC... and wins, the kids from the opposing teams will immediately say to their friends on Crabs, "you beat us with a bunch of 15 year olds". It diminishes the experience for both sides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.

7 players on 2019 Crabs were on a Crabs U15 Roster this past Summer. Not sure if any of these players compete at the highest level at their own age. 91 will still beat them by 5+ goals.

They were all actually playing up... now they are playing with the right age group. They are THAT good.

Dude, Crabs could beat that cast of characters with the short bus team...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.

7 players on 2019 Crabs were on a Crabs U15 Roster this past Summer. Not sure if any of these players compete at the highest level at their own age. 91 will still beat them by 5+ goals.

They were all actually playing up... now they are playing with the right age group. They are THAT good.

I hope you're joking. They were playing "on age" this past Summer. They were not playing up and are actually playing down in an effort to dominate smaller, younger players...which they will, by the way. Once high school starts, it will all catch up with them and average "on age" players will go back to being the average players they are.

Last year those kids played on a U15 team which was composed of 2018 and 2019 players. So couldn't that mean that the kids who are now on the 2019 were in 7th grade last year and now are in 8th grade this year????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude, Crabs could beat that cast of characters with the short bus team...

...because most of the boys are 16 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year those kids played on a U15 team which was composed of 2018 and 2019 players. So couldn't that mean that the kids who are now on the 2019 were in 7th grade last year and now are in 8th grade this year????

Believe whatever you want. The crabs will do anything to win (or at least try),
they have players hold back, actively recruit from other programs and
Fix their own tournaments to give them any kind of advantage. There
was a time that the best players went to crabs, not any more.

The '16s are good, the '17s fall off quickly. A majority of the
kids played JV last year and were marginally successful
in HS. A bunch of middies ran 3rd line on their respective JV teams. They do
have a sold defense. Couple good attackman, need a lefty that can move. The 18s have a few "double holdbacks". Yes, I said double.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs will do anything to win (or at least try), they have players hold back, actively recruit from other programs and Fix their own tournaments to give them any kind of advantage. There was a time that the best players went to crabs, not any more.

Paranoid, much?

Please provide proof that they recruit other players. Haters gonna hate, I guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year those kids played on a U15 team which was composed of 2018 and 2019 players. So couldn't that mean that the kids who are now on the 2019 were in 7th grade last year and now are in 8th grade this year????

Not one of those kids on U15Aa last year was a 2019 last year. Now they are. Couple have '99 or early '00 birthdays. It's fine by the way. It will all work out in the end. No excuses for losing a single game from this point on though.

This board is getting absolutely nuts ..
Wish some of you had the balls to post your names.
You are talking about kids ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This board is getting absolutely nuts ..
Wish some of you had the balls to post your names.
You are talking about kids ...

Your point? This is a youth lacrosse forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year those kids played on a U15 team which was composed of 2018 and 2019 players. So couldn't that mean that the kids who are now on the 2019 were in 7th grade last year and now are in 8th grade this year????

Not one of those kids on U15Aa last year was a 2019 last year. Now they are. Couple have '99 or early '00 birthdays. It's fine by the way. It will all work out in the end. No excuses for losing a single game from this point on though.

This makes sense. For the 2014/15 academic year:

U15AA - Is players who have already reclassified from 2018->2019 and are U15's (not U14 eligible is a way to think of it)
U15A - Is players who have not yet reclassified. 2019s who will become 2020s next year or 2020s who reclassified early and are no longer U13 eligible (these rosters are really U14 teams)

The reason for AA/A is psychology only. The AA teams are really A and the A teams are really B, but nobody wants to go from A to B

The typical progression is U13 as a 7th grader, U15A your 1st 8th grade year and U15AA your reclassified, or 2nd 8th grade year.

If you are from Balt/DC and are headed to MIAA/IAC I am sure this makes sense to you. If not it sounds crazy I know.

OR

Your son has a late spring/summer birthday so you started him a year later, which puts him at U15A in 7th grade and U15AA in 8th grade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OR

Your son has a late spring/summer birthday so you started him a year later, which puts him at U15A in 7th grade and U15AA in 8th grade

This is more commonly known as Red Shirting in Kindergarten - just an earlier form of reclassifying. The school cut off is what it is.

According to ALL US School districts the regular grades for 2014/15 academic year spring/summer births:
Spring/Summer 2000 = 9th grade (2018)
Spring/Summer 2001 = 8th grade (2019)
Spring/Summer 2002 = 7th grade (2020)

Cutoffs vary by distict so Oct-Dec birthdays may be in different grad years but Spring/Summer birth months are black and white.

"""""""""Your son has a late spring/summer birthday so you started him a year later, which puts him at U15A in 7th grade and U15AA in 8th grade"""""""""

Thats called holding your child back in laymans terms. What has become the norm in the MIAA world but unfortunately has filtered down to youth clubs in MD.

awesome - LI dads are so obsessed with baltimore lax that they are now accusing parents of holding their sons back in kindergarten to get an athletic advantage?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"""""""""Your son has a late spring/summer birthday so you started him a year later, which puts him at U15A in 7th grade and U15AA in 8th grade"""""""""

Thats called holding your child back in laymans terms. What has become the norm in the MIAA world but unfortunately has filtered down to youth clubs in MD.

There are a lot of crazy parents that hold their kids back purely for lacrosse, but don't put all of MD/DC in that basket. Most of the kids play age/grade appropriate. Don't let the few abusers diminish the talent in the mid-atlantic. Those of us, whose kids play in the appropriate grade, don't condone the behavior but we do have to live with it. Let the crazies say what they want but holding a child back is almost always for a sports advantage.

holding back in kindergarten is one thing, but many repeat 9th grade...that is a joke. It is embarrassing to the sport. It is a shame the kids can't be successful without trying to gain an advantage. I know too many that held back for lacrosse, sadly many of them have little or no chance to play at the college level anyway.

I don't know about you but we made sure to time our son's birth so he would be old for his grade, then he started preschool a year late, took a year of pre-K, and repeated 8th grade. He will be eligible for SS after his PG year.

(just kidding, but it wouldn't surprise me if some people did).

Good one, but I am curious as to how many 2x holdbacks there really are. Most HS athletic associations (including MIAA I believe) do not let you play sports if you turn 19 before the start of the school year.

This implies 2x holdbacks are not eligible to play sports their senior year.

I know that a few (many) years back a NYC HS football team forfeited every game and was vacated of a title because they rostered a too old player (the coaches didn't know was the lame excuse)

In the spirit of amateurism I think the NCAA should have a similar rule.

Crabs 2019 have only 12 returning players. How do the 10 kids that were cut feel about reclassers in a critical year? After most tryouts have occurred?

Do these cut kids reclass and come back next year as 2020? Where does it stop?
Crabs and buddies at BL are at the heart of the reclass issue.

to be bumped next year by reclasser. Then what, VLC??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good one, but I am curious as to how many 2x holdbacks there really are. Most HS athletic associations (including MIAA I believe) do not let you play sports if you turn 19 before the start of the school year.

This implies 2x holdbacks are not eligible to play sports their senior year.

I know that a few (many) years back a NYC HS football team forfeited every game and was vacated of a title because they rostered a too old player (the coaches didn't know was the lame excuse)

In the spirit of amateurism I think the NCAA should have a similar rule.

BYU requires their men to go on 2 year missions
Casey Carroll (Duke defender) took time off to join the army

How does your age thing work?

I appreciate and respect the sacrifices of Casey Carroll and the work of BYU missionaries.

However, an age rule in the NCAA would do more good than harm. NCAA should be U23 or U24 at most - U24 would actually allow two years of holdback in total but no more.

Should a 29 year old take away an NCAA roster spot from an 18 year old?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to be bumped next year by reclasser. Then what, VLC??

Not likely. Vlc's youth program is struggling big time. Furthermore, vlc already has their share of holdbacks

All the big Baltimore MIAA schools, BL, Gilman, St Paul, McDonogh have holdbacks in every grade. And not just a few but many. Not sure the extent Loyola and Calvert Hall as they dont have a lower school to put out 10-25 holdbacks at each school in pre-first grade year after year. While they can do what they want at their schools and against each other, their influence has put a black mark on youth lacrosse in Maryland. The parents at these schools know just what they are doing along with willing coaching staffs. Many of the coaches and assistants are involved in youth clubs in Baltimore.

Dear 2019 express how many hold backs are on your team this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I appreciate and respect the sacrifices of Casey Carroll and the work of BYU missionaries.

However, an age rule in the NCAA would do more good than harm. NCAA should be U23 or U24 at most - U24 would actually allow two years of holdback in total but no more.

Should a 29 year old take away an NCAA roster spot from an 18 year old?

A pretty ridiculous statement, BYU doesn't require the mission for non Mormon's. Why should a person who feel's the calling to serve his church or his country be denied the opportunity to play a sport upon returning from their duties, plus as the Islanders point out over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over that there are no 18 year old freshman coming out of the great state of Maryland. Eventually the time frame will look like this
At age 5, hold child out of kindergarten
At age 6, start kindergarten
At age 7, repeat kindergarten
At age 16, repeat 8th grade
At age 17, start freshman year
At age 20, start senior year
At age 21, do a pg year
At age 22, join the Navy
At age 26, pretend to be a Mormon, go on a mission
At age 28, do another Navy gig
At age 32, what the heck, take another mission
At age 34, start college with a clear physical advantage
At age 35, red shirt a year
At age 38, eligibility is up, you're out on your own now
At age 39, start your own club program, sit back and listen to mindless babble from the Islanders about how unfair Maryland Athletics are

I can confirm that all of Madlax 2019 Orange team was in the 1st grade 8 years ago today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can confirm that all of Madlax 2019 Orange team was in the 1st grade 8 years ago today.

Are you implying they are all holdbacks. 8 years ago they should of been in kindergarten if they are starting 8th grade today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can confirm that all of Madlax 2019 Orange team was in the 1st grade 8 years ago today.

Are you implying they are all holdbacks. 8 years ago they should of been in kindergarten if they are starting 8th grade today.

They can't be holdback since most of them were on the U13 Orange team over the summer.
Very easy to verify since the summer rosters are still on the website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2019 have only 12 returning players. How do the 10 kids that were cut feel about reclassers in a critical year? After most tryouts have occurred?

Do these cut kids reclass and come back next year as 2020? Where does it stop?
Crabs and buddies at BL are at the heart of the reclass issue.

This isn't a BL issue. In fact, one of the reclasses on the 2019 team was reclassed because he transferred from BL to McDonogh. McDonogh holds more kids back than BL does.

Ok 7 years ago today they where all in 1st grade. I am not the smartest guy around. Every kid on the team started school the same year. I can not confirm there ages. LOL

Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?

McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....

You are full of it... They Encourage it constantly. I go to one of the MIAA private schools and and if what you say is true, very few boys and girls would be held back. It is an epidemic at these schools. And MOST not ALL have athletics on their mind. These holdbacks might not be head of class but most would be right there with the majority of children. Most want their child to be ahead not equal. Of course ask most of them and they give the same reason you did.

And most here are responding to youth lacrosse for children under 15 and playing down due to holdbacks. It is fine with you holding your child back for your reasons. But that doesnt give you a select advantage over all the other CHILDREN in youth athletics outside of school. School teams are what they are but your child shouldn't get an advantage over the rest of children in the area. No wonder some people who don't go to private schools have a disdain for us. You want you child to have privileges that the rest don't have.... Maybe if you didn't want a special advantage for your child everyone else would stay out of your damn business.

So why is the holdback more prevent in Maryland than long island? Or is that just a misconception?

seems like long islanders are too cheap to pay for their kids to go to private school where they could be held back

heck they are complaining about $3500 for Igloo which won all but one game it played in the 2013 - 2014 season

LI dads are insane.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?

McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....

BL encourages it, Crabs encourage it.

It is my business when your 16 yo is playing my 13 yo in an 8th grade tournament. By the way, I am videotaping and plan to take you, tournament directors and USlacrosse to court if Jr gets injured. That's my way of evening it out...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So why is the holdback more prevent in Maryland than long island? Or is that just a misconception?

Because 10 players just got cut from Crabs 2019 in favor of holdbacks They now have to reclass to compete.

Crabs make NPYLL go grade based so they can stay competitive with holdbacks. They were dying in age based, 2019 particularly.

BL likes $$ and exposure from lacrosse.

USlacrosse is impotent, likely because 1/2 its Baltimore based staff were holdbacks too.

Get it now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?

McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....

BL encourages it, Crabs encourage it.

It is my business when your 16 yo is playing my 13 yo in an 8th grade tournament. By the way, I am videotaping and plan to take you, tournament directors and USlacrosse to court if Jr gets injured. That's my way of evening it out...

Sue you, sue everybody ! That's the answer

"So why is the holdback more prevent in Maryland than long island? Or is that just a misconception?"

The holdbacks are only a private school issue that has gotten out of hand here in Maryland. It is the norm in all MIAA schools along with so called second tier private schools. Public schools in Maryland do not have the holdback issue. Most kids playing lacrosse are not held back in Maryland. That is why it is such an issue. Somehow a large select group of parents think it is fine for their child to play down while the rest dont get this advantage. My understanding is that Long Island lacrosse is dominated by public schools which like most public schools, dont have the holdback issues. Maybe someone can enlighten us on this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seems like long islanders are too cheap to pay for their kids to go to private school where they could be held back

heck they are complaining about $3500 for Igloo which won all but one game it played in the 2013 - 2014 season

Who did they lose to? Sons?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seems like long islanders are too cheap to pay for their kids to go to private school where they could be held back

heck they are complaining about $3500 for Igloo which won all but one game it played in the 2013 - 2014 season

Who did they lose to? Sons?

Some random team in a preseason tournament in March

Rising sons. Good program. Igloo beat them when they played them again 2 or 3 times during summer tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?

McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....

BL encourages it, Crabs encourage it.

It is my business when your 16 yo is playing my 13 yo in an 8th grade tournament. By the way, I am videotaping and plan to take you, tournament directors and USlacrosse to court if Jr gets injured. That's my way of evening it out...

BL does not encourage it. In fact, parents in my son's class had to threaten to pull their son and send him to St. Pauls to get BL to allow him to repeat.

BL absolutely encourages it. There are a ton of reclassed kids at that school. They just got a kid from McDonogh who reclassed.

My 13 year old 8th grader brought up the hold back/reclassify issue last night. He goes to a MIAA school and plays lacrosse. As club tryouts in Baltimore end, the issue is being widely discussed at school. I asked him for his thoughts and what his friends think:
If they could, they would play up, not down. It would be an honor to be able to play up and their friends that play up are considered special players. The assumption is that playing up makes you better, playing down makes you worse. If you have to play down, you are likely over your head and playing with the wrong organization. There are plenty of good teams to play for. While there are no hold backs at their school or on their team (yet), they said that those kids are likely treated differently (not good differently). If the kid is staying back for academic reasons, he likely gets cut a great deal of slack. If for a sport (it is not just lacrosse) and it is obvious, the kid is likely given no slack at all. He did say that the grade above his -2018- has an abundance of good lacrosse players and that is likely driving the decision to repeat. Lastly, with regard to recruiting, they all think that the college coaches will eventually see through this. In most cases, a 15 year old should be able to beat a 13/14 year old at a sport. In a few years, when the kids are all the same size, age will no longer matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 13 year old 8th grader brought up the hold back/reclassify issue last night. He goes to a MIAA school and plays lacrosse. As club tryouts in Baltimore end, the issue is being widely discussed at school. I asked him for his thoughts and what his friends think:
If they could, they would play up, not down. It would be an honor to be able to play up and their friends that play up are considered special players. The assumption is that playing up makes you better, playing down makes you worse. If you have to play down, you are likely over your head and playing with the wrong organization. There are plenty of good teams to play for. While there are no hold backs at their school or on their team (yet), they said that those kids are likely treated differently (not good differently). If the kid is staying back for academic reasons, he likely gets cut a great deal of slack. If for a sport (it is not just lacrosse) and it is obvious, the kid is likely given no slack at all. He did say that the grade above his -2018- has an abundance of good lacrosse players and that is likely driving the decision to repeat. Lastly, with regard to recruiting, they all think that the college coaches will eventually see through this. In most cases, a 15 year old should be able to beat a 13/14 year old at a sport. In a few years, when the kids are all the same size, age will no longer matter.

My son is in 8th grade at BL and there are not holdbacks. There are a couple of 14 year olds but that is due to prefirst.

Very nice perspective from your 13 year old - unfortunately the men tasked with recruiting players for their universities are not as enlightened as your boy

It probably will even out later because ultimately the cream will rise to the top!

However, what about the kid that was a U13 AA player that does not make the U15 AA team because of the holdbacks that repeat U15 and the influx of holdbacks from other / lesser clubs that now play for that elite team since they could not make it as a true 8th grader?

What about the kid that makes an elite U15 AA team, but is relegated to a minor role instead of a prominant role because of the holdbacks in front of him?

Should that kid be held back so he can be the stud of that U15AA team next year?

When I was a kid, the really good players played up - not down.

Sounds like you want something for your son that is not naturally in the works.

I would never want my son to repeat for athletic reasons, nor would he.

Hollow victories watching a team loaded with 15 year olds dominate a team with 14 year olds!

Yes, I am old! But played sports and still do!

Let the kids sink or swim on their own.

My thoughts on the matter!

Good Day!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?

McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So why is the holdback more prevent in Maryland than long island? Or is that just a misconception?

Because 10 players just got cut from Crabs 2019 in favor of holdbacks They now have to reclass to compete.

Crabs make NPYLL go grade based so they can stay competitive with holdbacks. They were dying in age based, 2019 particularly.

BL likes $$ and exposure from lacrosse.

USlacrosse is impotent, likely because 1/2 its Baltimore based staff were holdbacks too.

Get it now?

Really? Crabs was dying in age based? Crabs U15AA and U13AA won the NPYLL championship this past spring. Where exactly were they dying?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 13 year old 8th grader brought up the hold back/reclassify issue last night. He goes to a MIAA school and plays lacrosse. As club tryouts in Baltimore end, the issue is being widely discussed at school. I asked him for his thoughts and what his friends think:
If they could, they would play up, not down. It would be an honor to be able to play up and their friends that play up are considered special players. The assumption is that playing up makes you better, playing down makes you worse. If you have to play down, you are likely over your head and playing with the wrong organization. There are plenty of good teams to play for. While there are no hold backs at their school or on their team (yet), they said that those kids are likely treated differently (not good differently). If the kid is staying back for academic reasons, he likely gets cut a great deal of slack. If for a sport (it is not just lacrosse) and it is obvious, the kid is likely given no slack at all. He did say that the grade above his -2018- has an abundance of good lacrosse players and that is likely driving the decision to repeat. Lastly, with regard to recruiting, they all think that the college coaches will eventually see through this. In most cases, a 15 year old should be able to beat a 13/14 year old at a sport. In a few years, when the kids are all the same size, age will no longer matter.

My son is in 8th grade at BL and there are not holdbacks. There are a couple of 14 year olds but that is due to prefirst.

Yes there are. Many of us could, but won't or shouldn't, name names.

You guys are correct it will even out when they get to high school. And just because they verbel a couple kids in 8th and 9th grade your sons will have there shot to get looked at. They are not signing these kids they are giving them Verbels. That means they have a spot on the team thats it. And these colleges are all still taking walk ons. So there are spots on the teams for the players who are correct age. The money is not there you should all know that. They spread what 12 full rides between 60 or so players. Relax if he is good he will have a spot. If he does not get a spot on a Roster he is not good enough no matter how old the kids on his 2018 team where.

"BL does not encourage it. In fact, parents in my son's class had to threaten to pull their son and send him to St. Pauls to get BL to allow him to repeat"

Boys Latin has a huge amount of boys that were either prefirst,heldback,holdback or reclassified..whatever you want to call it...All means the same thing...They are older than the all the rest of grade except boys like them.

This also says alot about parents that go to BL and the rest of the MIAA schools...If they didnt let him repeat he had another MIAA school ready to let their child repeat...The reason I say that is BL wanted him to continue,and BL loves their holdbacks as it has a huge amount of kids heldback... wow!!

did it ever dawn on anyone that maybe we just love our kids and want to keep them around for an extra year. You only get a certain amount of time with them

Stupid statement..Who doesn't love their kid...Whats that got to do with playing down...Nobody has a problem with holding your child back for right reasons ..but you shouldn't get a special benefit of playing down in youth athletics .. Of course you will enjoy the benefit on your school teams and HS teams...but you shouldn't be entitled to a special privilege from NINE to Fourteen years old since you held you kid back for whatever reason......And if you love them that much hold them back a few years????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did it ever dawn on anyone that maybe we just love our kids and want to keep them around for an extra year. You only get a certain amount of time with them

So true. We love our son dearly. It was so difficult to see him off to 9th grade. The 17 years we've had with him have gone by so fast. It was so painful to see those middle school years go away, but as many of you know there are only so many places you can go to keep repeating grades.

You guys are the biggest whiners ever.

Yea, Darn whiners. I still think Danny Almonte from the Bronx playing in Little League Championship series was robbed in 2001, just cause he was too old to play,man he was good against those younger guys, If it had only been lacrosse no problem!! same whiners who complained about Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong using enhancements to get ahead..Getting an advantage in sports and life is what it is all about!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stupid statement..Who doesn't love their kid...Whats that got to do with playing down...Nobody has a problem with holding your child back for right reasons ..but you shouldn't get a special benefit of playing down in youth athletics .. Of course you will enjoy the benefit on your school teams and HS teams...but you shouldn't be entitled to a special privilege from NINE to Fourteen years old since you held you kid back for whatever reason......And if you love them that much hold them back a few years????

it was a joke, please be careful getting off of your high horse, don't fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stupid statement..Who doesn't love their kid...Whats that got to do with playing down...Nobody has a problem with holding your child back for right reasons ..but you shouldn't get a special benefit of playing down in youth athletics .. Of course you will enjoy the benefit on your school teams and HS teams...but you shouldn't be entitled to a special privilege from NINE to Fourteen years old since you held you kid back for whatever reason......And if you love them that much hold them back a few years????

it was a joke, please be careful getting off of your high horse, don't fall

I always ask the following question, but get few replies. Here goes... It's actually a series of questions.
When your 15 yo is competing against kids 1 to 2 years younger, do you actually cheer him on against the little kids?
When one the of younger players gets the best of him, do you tell him has to work harder? When he has a game where he scores 3 goals, against the younger boys, do you tell him great job? Is it possible you could be filled with pride when he has success against the younger players? When you.... I think you get it. Oh by the way, that feeling in your stomach isn't from the ham sandwich at lunch, ITS SHAME.

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

I have met many parents of children in sports that have been held back. Not one parent has ever said to me that it is unfair to younger children,,NOT ONE! All have a similar song and dance of ..their child needed more time, most of the coaches say play with your grade, it will even out later, etc..Not one has questioned if it right or wrong to play against younger kids..Of course that is what their children do every day in school! I know what I am talking about as I go to a MIAA school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have met many parents of children in sports that have been held back. Not one parent has ever said to me that it is unfair to younger children,,NOT ONE! All have a similar song and dance of ..their child needed more time, most of the coaches say play with your grade, it will even out later, etc..Not one has questioned if it right or wrong to play against younger kids..Of course that is what their children do every day in school! I know what I am talking about as I go to a MIAA school.

Happy 21st birthday

Of course it is a non topic to people like you. But the majority of people who are explained this recent YOUTH sports change to grade based teams, it isnt. Most people think it is an unsavory part of youth sports allowing a select group to get an advantage. And then when a Club gets the majority of these select groups of players , the majority of people find it even more disgusting.
And it isnt just LI parents that feel this way. Many in MD do also. Middle school teams and HS teams are where you can use this advantage but in YOUTH sports , IT IS JUST PLAIN WRONG.

Well, using the ALL CAPS really convinced me. Maybe you could throw in a few !!!!!!! as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

I am a LI dad and will definitely reclass if I think it will help give him an advantage in recruiting. Anyone taking the "high road" here either can't send their kids to private or is angry bc they are on the young end. If Harvard called and said reclass your kid and he has a spot everyone would do it in a second.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course it is a non topic to people like you. But the majority of people who are explained this recent YOUTH sports change to grade based teams, it isnt. Most people think it is an unsavory part of youth sports allowing a select group to get an advantage. And then when a Club gets the majority of these select groups of players , the majority of people find it even more disgusting.
And it isnt just LI parents that feel this way. Many in MD do also. Middle school teams and HS teams are where you can use this advantage but in YOUTH sports , IT IS JUST PLAIN WRONG.

What is the difference between middle school sports and youth sports, wouldn't they be the same thing

Many Middle schools have teams here in MD that play other middle school teams. Mainly in MIAA schools. They dont play in the youth leagues and club leagues. Just against school teams during spring. So if BL middle school team plays St pauls middle school team the hold backs cancel each other out..

""""Well, using the ALL CAPS really convinced me. Maybe you could throw in a few !!!!!!! as well."""""

I didnt know I could convince a grade based apologist like you!
What is next Danny Almonte!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...

So in 9th grade he was able to compete with 12th graders
But in 8th grade he couldn't handle hold-back 8th graders?

Great story

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...

So in 9th grade he was able to compete with 12th graders
But in 8th grade he couldn't handle hold-back 8th graders?

Great story

Careful. Long Island Dads are the TOUGHEST MEN ON THE INTERNET!

Zing, you got him!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...

When's the last time anybody ever said, "sonny boy"? Did you write jokes for Bob Hope?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

It is not just the LI parents. I am the parent of a 13 year old, 8th grader in Maryland and I am an opponent of holding a child back as well. If for academic reasons, you have my sympathies. If purely for sports, what lesson(s) are you teaching your child? You could not compete with your peers so we "fixed" things for you? The parents are feeding the entitlement syndrome that is so rampant in today's youth. Leave them where they belong and let them figure it out on their own; like your parents did for you and my parents did for me. The argument that they will play against older kids once in high school is totally invalid. The coaches decide if a 9th grader can compete with the upperclassmen. In this case, the parents are making the decision to put a 15 year old on the field with a 13 year old. The kids and parents in Baltimore all know each other. There is an inescapable stigma that a child will carry with him for repeating for sports only. I am embarrassed for the parents that do this and I am sure others are as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...

So in 9th grade he was able to compete with 12th graders
But in 8th grade he couldn't handle hold-back 8th graders?

Great story

Dumb [lacrosse], did you hear me complain? Dont get upset because your kid can't play with the big boys. Sounds like I hit a nerve!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...

So in 9th grade he was able to compete with 12th graders
But in 8th grade he couldn't handle hold-back 8th graders?

Great story

Careful. Long Island Dads are the TOUGHEST MEN ON THE INTERNET!

Not as tough as your kid who has to play down a year or two against little boys to compete in a sport! Because it takes a lot of guts to do that! You talk about toughness, how does he handle it???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

It is not just the LI parents. I am the parent of a 13 year old, 8th grader in Maryland and I am an opponent of holding a child back as well. If for academic reasons, you have my sympathies. If purely for sports, what lesson(s) are you teaching your child? You could not compete with your peers so we "fixed" things for you? The parents are feeding the entitlement syndrome that is so rampant in today's youth. Leave them where they belong and let them figure it out on their own; like your parents did for you and my parents did for me. The argument that they will play against older kids once in high school is totally invalid. The coaches decide if a 9th grader can compete with the upperclassmen. In this case, the parents are making the decision to put a 15 year old on the field with a 13 year old. The kids and parents in Baltimore all know each other. There is an inescapable stigma that a child will carry with him for repeating for sports only. I am embarrassed for the parents that do this and I am sure others are as well.

Do you people understand the concept of red shirting in college sports? Should these kids be embarrassed for themselves also?

They are adults and on a equal playing field at that time.

The coach is making that decision, not a parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

It is not just the LI parents. I am the parent of a 13 year old, 8th grader in Maryland and I am an opponent of holding a child back as well. If for academic reasons, you have my sympathies. If purely for sports, what lesson(s) are you teaching your child? You could not compete with your peers so we "fixed" things for you? The parents are feeding the entitlement syndrome that is so rampant in today's youth. Leave them where they belong and let them figure it out on their own; like your parents did for you and my parents did for me. The argument that they will play against older kids once in high school is totally invalid. The coaches decide if a 9th grader can compete with the upperclassmen. In this case, the parents are making the decision to put a 15 year old on the field with a 13 year old. The kids and parents in Baltimore all know each other. There is an inescapable stigma that a child will carry with him for repeating for sports only. I am embarrassed for the parents that do this and I am sure others are as well.

Do you people understand the concept of red shirting in college sports? Should these kids be embarrassed for themselves also?

Many Marland parents whose children arent heldback, prefirst, reclassified, etc are against this whole concept at youthlevel U15 and under. There are children playing down to U9 that should be in U11 due to being held back. Incredible! But one of the biggest issues for these parents of better lacrosse players is..that they dont want to make to many waves as the holdbacks go to private schools. Most parents know that the best lacrosse in MD is in the MIAA private schools at HS. Most MIAA coaches and assistants are involved with Clubs in one way or another.So many keep their mouths shut hoping for a shot at MIAA school one day or playing for a MIAA coach or assistant in Club one day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.

It is not just the LI parents. I am the parent of a 13 year old, 8th grader in Maryland and I am an opponent of holding a child back as well. If for academic reasons, you have my sympathies. If purely for sports, what lesson(s) are you teaching your child? You could not compete with your peers so we "fixed" things for you? The parents are feeding the entitlement syndrome that is so rampant in today's youth. Leave them where they belong and let them figure it out on their own; like your parents did for you and my parents did for me. The argument that they will play against older kids once in high school is totally invalid. The coaches decide if a 9th grader can compete with the upperclassmen. In this case, the parents are making the decision to put a 15 year old on the field with a 13 year old. The kids and parents in Baltimore all know each other. There is an inescapable stigma that a child will carry with him for repeating for sports only. I am embarrassed for the parents that do this and I am sure others are as well.

Do you people understand the concept of red shirting in college sports? Should these kids be embarrassed for themselves also?

Is it possible you can't understand the difference between College men redshirting, and a 15 year old physically mature young man playing down against 13 year old boys? That haven't even started puberty? You really need that explained to you? Of course you don't, that's the very reason why you held him back. Because he can't compete on age, and you know it.

Keep crying, LI. We'll keep beating your teams and taking scholarships away from STRONG ISLAND.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep crying, LI. We'll keep beating your teams and taking scholarships away from STRONG ISLAND.

LOL.

Hate to bore you with the facts, but the number of MD recruits is on the decline. Look it up. LOL. You're merely taking scholarships away from the on age kids in your area. Sorry, try again.

The MD kids are burnt out period. College coaches are not looking at MD players. The ones that play lax only are done

This statement is just nuts. If 20 years ago 90% of the kids playing in college came from three states. And now the sport has spread to both coasts and Texas. Of course the % of kids from the classic hot beds will go down. But I am 100% sure if there is a kid from Maryland who is 6'3 200 pounds and runs a 4.4 40 yard dash, He will be picked over any kid from a none hot bed state with the same size/stats.This is a good thing not a bad thing because as the sport spreads the presure for more D1 schools to pick up the sport will grow. Which egual more spots for more kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This statement is just nuts. If 20 years ago 90% of the kids playing in college came from three states. And now the sport has spread to both coasts and Texas. Of course the % of kids from the classic hot beds will go down. But I am 100% sure if there is a kid from Maryland who is 6'3 200 pounds and runs a 4.4 40 yard dash, He will be picked over any kid from a none hot bed state with the same size/stats.This is a good thing not a bad thing because as the sport spreads the presure for more D1 schools to pick up the sport will grow. Which egual more spots for more kids.

Sorry I don't know one 9th or 10th grader that is 6'3 200lbs and runs a 4.4 40. That would be the stats of potential NFL safety at the NFL combine.

Or a 2 year hold back

The point is if they are the same size and ones from a hot bed state and the other kid is from some mid west or none hot bed state the hot bed state kid will be getting the spot on the D1 team. The only time they are taking the none hot bed state kid is when he is a beast with his size or speed or both. It works the same way with football look how many D1 football teams have kids from FL. Kids from FL who are ranked 35th at a postion for there state are getting full rides somewhere else in the country. Thats how its working right now in lacrosse with the 3 or 4 hot bed states.

Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.

Yeah. That's obvious from their stellar 2014 Summer, right? Ha ha. Lose all summer then fix that by creating a team of average on-age players to compete against kids 18 months younger. Sadly, it will work for one year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.

True....however only is they are 1-2 year hold backs and will add to the team winning tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.

Really looking forward to the NPYLL this year to answer these questions. It will be great to see each grade stand on it's own instead of using that old two year system.

Whoever used the two year system ..In NPYLL the AA was generally for the best teams..It had a lot of second year players at that age .less skilled teams and any teams with a bunch of first year players at that age played A. Could have easily been U15, U14,U13,U12. etc...Instead Crabs and others decided to go grade base to accommodate the private school holdbacks..Crabs know that they are going to get a bunch of holdbacks if not majority in Balt. Crabs have a good lax reputation especially at Private schools... ....
With the explosion of Club teams thus played perfectly into the Crabs,,They get the holdbacks....thus better teams.

Not sure about that. Crabs are the team to play for in the private schools. Now with grade base teams. Crabs will be getting the majority of holdbacks, reclassified, etc...at U15 down to U11..Of course most of the holdbacks come from the MIAA schools... I dont see any other team in Balt getting as many holdbacks as Crabs now or future...
If you were a politician you couldn't have planned a better way to scre#w the majority of people to consolidate your power...

Not about winning, crabs players are getting better ever year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not about winning, crabs players are getting better ever year

Good one. For anyone playing anything other than rec, it is about winning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not about winning, crabs players are getting better ever year

No they're not. It's actually the opposite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever used the two year system ..In NPYLL the AA was generally for the best teams..It had a lot of second year players at that age .less skilled teams and any teams with a bunch of first year players at that age played A. Could have easily been U15, U14,U13,U12. etc...Instead Crabs and others decided to go grade base to accommodate the private school holdbacks..Crabs know that they are going to get a bunch of holdbacks if not majority in Balt. Crabs have a good lax reputation especially at Private schools... ....
With the explosion of Club teams thus played perfectly into the Crabs,,They get the holdbacks....thus better teams.

For some teams, single A could have been U14, U12, U10, But some teams had more than 1/2 their starters from the older U15AA ,U13AA, U11AA age groups. Breakers didn't even have a U11aa team - guess where those kids played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.

Yeah. That's obvious from their stellar 2014 Summer, right? Ha ha. Lose all summer then fix that by creating a team of average on-age players to compete against kids 18 months younger. Sadly, it will work for one year.

If you think the Crabs teams lost all summer long, you are an absolute idiot.

Parents need to ask themselves, is my kid getting better. Coaches don't watch club tourneys anymore. Take it from a college coach

Not sure about the younger groups..
Crabs will get you noticed and placed early for college.
END OF STORY.......

Agreed, no one else in Balt. Can say the same.

Top programs overall in MD in order. Development, coaching, placement
Crabs
Hawks
Fca
Breakers
Bethesda
Arden
Looneys
Rough riders

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top programs overall in MD in order. Development, coaching, placement
Crabs
Hawks
Fca
Breakers
Bethesda
Arden
Looneys
Rough riders

If you include Bethesda, you have to include Club Blue, VLC and Madlax.
It varies greatly year to year. FCA's oldest team is 2017.
2015 and 2016 - no idea
2017 - Madlax, Crabs, FCA, Hawks, VLC, Breakers all good
2018 - FCA looks like the best team - Crabs, Breakers, Hawks, Madlax all good
2019 - Crabs looks like the best team. 7 players from 2018 playing 2019 this year so expect them be great. FCA, Hawks, Maxlax, Rock all good
2020 - Looneys and Crabs
2021 - Breakers and Crabs
2022, 2023, 2024... Most teams are still looking for players

Hawks and crabs at 2020. Looneys overrated

No way, looneys #1 in md

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parents need to ask themselves, is my kid getting better. Coaches don't watch club tourneys anymore. Take it from a college coach

Please expand your statement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top programs overall in MD in order. Development, coaching, placement
Crabs
Hawks
Fca
Breakers
Bethesda
Arden
Looneys
Rough riders

If you include Bethesda, you have to include Club Blue, VLC and Madlax.
It varies greatly year to year. FCA's oldest team is 2017.
2015 and 2016 - no idea
2017 - Madlax, Crabs, FCA, Hawks, VLC, Breakers all good
2018 - FCA looks like the best team - Crabs, Breakers, Hawks, Madlax all good
2019 - Crabs looks like the best team. 7 players from 2018 playing 2019 this year so expect them be great. FCA, Hawks, Maxlax, Rock all good
2020 - Looneys and Crabs
2021 - Breakers and Crabs
2022, 2023, 2024... Most teams are still looking for players

Bethesda 2021 didn't lose a game last year until the summer and then they only lost to Igloo so you have to put them #1

Anyone who is arguing about rankings for kids who will graduate in 2020 needs to have his head examined.

Top team in 2022 is Arden

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top team in 2022 is Arden

I'll believe it when they pull down a NPYLL championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone who is arguing about rankings for kids who will graduate in 2020 needs to have his head examined.

I think we all realize everyone reading this forum should have their heads examined, but thanks for pointing it out.

Top Team in 2027 is Club Elmo. They have a couple of commits to Hopkins and a Stud D committed to ND. Crabs, Hawks, Breakers will be playing catch up to this team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Parents need to ask themselves, is my kid getting better. Coaches don't watch club tourneys anymore. Take it from a college coach

I would love to know what this poster means. I agree you need to ask yourself if your kid is getting better. If your kid is on one of the top 15 or so teams in the country, regardless of being on #1 or #15 your son will get seen. If you can't play for the Crabs scoring a goal or two or stopping a goals against them will get you noticed as well. Your player has to be on a team where they get play time, and fit with the culture of the club.

I don't know a single kid who was recruited for D1 from film or a HS game. Every one was seen at a tourney, a few from showcase appearances. If coaches aren't attending club tourneys do the tourney directors hire a bunch of guys and hand them D1 school lax polos and clipboards? Who are these mysterious guys on the sidelines? Paid actors?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top team in 2022 is Arden

Good team, won't stay at Arden, they will be two or three more places before 8th grade.

Memo to Ryan McClernan, Randy Laco and the other NPYLL puppet string pullers -- you are on borrowed time. After first two weekends of witnessing this new "grade based" teams fall league regime, as a parent I am equally outraged and sickened by the sight of materially older and more physically developed kids playing out of an acceptable age range in the elementary and middle school grades. It is obvious that holding back kids has become an epidemic in the Baltimore / DMV area, but to the extent this is now being tolerated and even celebrated by the club owners running youth leagues and tournaments. In near course there will be a smaller sized kid out there just playing a kids' game getting plowed and concussed by another kid 50-70 pounds bigger and not only will it be sad, but that will also be the day you club guys will need a good lawyer. Shame on you.

Well stated and felt by many Maryland Lax parents and players.
Maryland Youth Club Lacrosse has become the poster child for what is wrong in youth sports.

(Memo to Ryan McClernan, Randy Laco and the other NPYLL puppet string pullers -- you are on borrowed time. After first two weekends of witnessing this new "grade based" teams fall league regime, as a parent I am equally outraged and sickened by the sight of materially older and more physically developed kids playing out of an acceptable age range in the elementary and middle school grades. It is obvious that holding back kids has become an epidemic in the Baltimore / DMV area, but to the extent this is now being tolerated and even celebrated by the club owners running youth leagues and tournaments. In near course there will be a smaller sized kid out there just playing a kids' game getting plowed and concussed by another kid 50-70 pounds bigger and not only will it be sad, but that will also be the day you club guys will need a good lawyer. Shame on you)

Get a grip. Even a kid who has reclassed does not outweigh all the other kids by "50-70 lbs".

Sorry your son isn't very good.

Seriously
The Next Level Fall HS league has always been grade based
The Youth teams are scheduled by age/ability

If your team is getting plowed over, its because the team isn't very good - not because of the new structure

""Get a grip. Even a kid who has reclassed does not outweigh all the other kids by "50-70 lbs".
Sorry your son isn't very good.""

While I agree 50-70 is extreme, Letting a select group of 10 year olds play against 9 year olds , 13 year olds play aginst 12 year old, etc.. Maybe you need to get a grip and realize this grade base issue to accommodate a special group of players goes against everything in youth sports...

"The Next Level Fall HS league has always been grade based
The Youth teams are scheduled by age/ability"

Who is talking about HS teams??? They are grade base and will continue to be grade base. All Youth Club teams U9,U10,U11, to U15 have gone grade base this upcoming year. It is mainly to accommodate the many children held back in private schools in Maryland. This advantage is not given to everyone just the children who have been held back. This advantage goes aginst the spirit of youth sports . Lacrosse is the only sport in Maryland to allow this. Baseball, Basketball,Soccer are all age base ...yet Lacrosse to give a select few an upper hand goes grade base...And the apologists keep giving us, "get a grip, Seriously, moaners, son isn't very good" while the apologists at the same time play their son down a level to compete...go get in apologists...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No way, looneys #1 in md

That's why one of the 2020 coaches took his son to Breakers?

At U11, the 50-70 pound weight differential is legimate. You have 12-year old 5th graders who weigh 120-130 pounds (or more) playing aginst 9-10 year olds who often weigh between 65-80 pounds. I saw it this weekend.

No complaints here as my son's U11 team chose to play up at the top AA level. Speed and skill can be a great equalizer, but the grade-based change has changed the dynamic. I did not feel it was unsafe because of decent refereeing, but a 130 pound kid hitting a 65 pound kid is scary.

The result may be that highly skilled younger players may have to play at the A level. Maybe this is fine, but I am not sure it is good for youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously
The Next Level Fall HS league has always been grade based
The Youth teams are scheduled by age/ability

If your team is getting plowed over, its because the team isn't very good - not because of the new structure

This is the first fall season Next Level has done the league for HS or youth. You are spot on that it "has always been grade based"...but that is a bit shy of sensible to write since the first games were played a week ago.

The youth teams are scheduled by age/ability. No, they are not. There are "AA" versus "A" divisions, but it is by grades not by age for all youth teams.

I don't think the poster was making note of his kid or team "getting plowed over" but was noting that there are some pretty wide age spreads on the field which create some safety concerns that a kid would be plowed by another 50-70 pounds larger. That didn't seem like an unfair point to me given we are all seeing this repeat a grade stuff go viral in DMV.

I have two youth players in middle school and in elementary. I would put them as average sized for their age and was astonished to see the relative sizes of kids bigger than them in the same grade bracket. Some kids are big for their age, and some kids are small for their age. I think the point about some bigger kids being 50-70 pounds heavier than the smaller kids in each grade is a decent guess.

The Crabs way seems to be calling everyone not keeping up with them a sissy. Fine. To many of the other 99% of the families with kids in this sport the point is that a youth game should not prejudice a kid who is smaller from being able to play. Youth football deals with this by having weight classes. I don't suggest the same for lacrosse, but we can all see that this grade based system that has just been implemented is a disaster waiting to happen. Bad things happen in a contact sport when you have big 12 year olds out there with smaller 10 year old 5th graders or so on in the other grades. When bad things happen in this league, what are the owners of the league planning to say? What you wrote? (If your [kid /] team is getting plowed over, its because the team isn't very good - not because of the new structure." Really? Well, give that a shot. Some plaintiff's attorney will love that statement in litigation over some kid or kids suffering head trauma.

Besides being very misleading, your post is just embarrassing to read to other parents all of whom won't broker their kid's safety to be a tough guy twice reclassified IAC or MIAA lacrosse bro someday.

FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.

Good One.

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.

The FCA dads and moms have such an inferiority complex.

FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.

Surpassed Crabs in hypocrisy in terms of all the "Christian" athletes they are bringing in? Certainly you don't mean in terms of talent on the lacrosse field

"At U11, the 50-70 pound weight differential is legimate. You have 12-year old 5th graders who weigh 120-130 pounds (or more) playing aginst 9-10 year olds who often weigh between 65-80 pounds. I saw it this weekend."

it seems what you're describing is the traditional u9, u11,u13,u15 system. Under us lax age guidelines the oldest kids in u11 for spring 2015 will turn 12 this fall. the youngest would be 9 until next summer.

A grade based 5th grade team would have the kids born between 9/1/03 and 8/31/04, plus any kids who were held back. My experience having volunteered in rec lacrosse and seeing bdays is that the majority of kids who were held back from K or did pre 1st were summer birthdays. I have seen handful with spring and just a few with Jan/Feb. I've never seen a fall prefirst kid. Not to say it doesn't happen but would be rare even for the balto private schools. It does seem like it's a given if you're a summer bday you do prefirst at the gilman, st paul, Bls of the world. My point is that under grade based league tournaments it would be rare to have more than an 18 month spread between oldest and youngest.

The fairest system would be the one that soccer uses. Age by single year - u9,u10,u11,u12 etc. But the grade system detractors seem only to focus the holdbacks. In my opinion the 2nd fairest system is Grade. BTW my kids are in public schools, are in the proper grade age and 1 has a summer bday.

Bottom line is that no matter what system my july bday son is at a disadvantage for lax. But then he's one of the oldest for soccer because of July cutoff

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.

Surpassed Crabs in hypocrisy in terms of all the "Christian" athletes they are bringing in? Certainly you don't mean in terms of talent on the lacrosse field

Hunh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

They must have improved a lot.

So seriously folks, this is an honest question, how do your kids feel socially about being held back. I guess it is boon to kids who struggle in school, because they can pretend they need the boost for athletics.

However, I can't imagine that dads of 8th graders are comfortable having your young men at the school dance.

What happens if you hold them back and they end up playing D3 or club anyway? Will that still be okay? Seriously unless you are after a top D3, it is not difficult to play D3 for the average club lax player if he has excellent grades.

I really am completely baffled by this whole trend.

""The fairest system would be the one that soccer uses. Age by single year - u9,u10,u11,u12 etc. But the grade system detractors seem only to focus the holdbacks. In my opinion the 2nd fairest system is Grade. BTW my kids are in public schools, are in the proper grade age and 1 has a summer bday.""

The right system and the one that parents and children know is the fairest is obviously age based at the youth level. Grade based might be the next fairest in most parts of the country as the holdback mentality isn't so prevalent. Most parts of the country children aren't regularly held back due to a late birthday. Maryland private schools and their parents have taken holding children back to a new level. And while there is plenty with Summer Birthdays , there are plenty with birthdays earlier including prior year. Why do these select players enjoy a benefit others dont at youth level. There is many children that could use the same benefit. If it was here and there with holdbacks , no one would care, but there will be teams with many holdbacks on them . Goes against everything that is right in youth sports, letting select kids get an advantage. I have children in MIAA school and know all about the massive amount of children heldback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

""The fairest system would be the one that soccer uses. Age by single year - u9,u10,u11,u12 etc. But the grade system detractors seem only to focus the holdbacks. In my opinion the 2nd fairest system is Grade. BTW my kids are in public schools, are in the proper grade age and 1 has a summer bday.""

The right system and the one that parents and children know is the fairest is obviously age based at the youth level. Grade based might be the next fairest in most parts of the country as the holdback mentality isn't so prevalent. Most parts of the country children aren't regularly held back due to a late birthday. Maryland private schools and their parents have taken holding children back to a new level. And while there is plenty with Summer Birthdays , there are plenty with birthdays earlier including prior year. Why do these select players enjoy a benefit others dont at youth level. There is many children that could use the same benefit. If it was here and there with holdbacks , no one would care, but there will be teams with many holdbacks on them . Goes against everything that is right in youth sports, letting select kids get an advantage. I have children in MIAA school and know all about the massive amount of children heldback.

I agree, when on age boys start to hit puberty it is dangerous enough for the kids who have not started yet, my son was a 14 year old 98 lb 8th grader playing with other 14 year-olds who were 180 lbs and shaving. That was unavoidable.

Guess what, plenty of age appropriate kids are getting offers, unless your child is so underdeveloped it is socially an issue or academically challenged you shouldn't hold them back. If they are academically challenged an extra year of 8th grade is very unlikely to change their IQ, so plying a D1 sport might not be a good idea in college if you would like them to get a degree.

If you really are concerned about safety, the fairest system is that used by football through age 15 which uses age and weight. But do you really want to go there?

Age/Weight Division Age(s) Certification Weight Range
TINY-MITE
(older/lighter) 5-6-7. 35-75 lbs

MITEY-MITE
(older/lighter) 7-8-9. 45-90 lbs

JUNIOR PEE WEE
(older/lighter) 8-9-10. 60-105 lbs
11 60-85 lbs
PEE WEE
(older/lighter) 9-10-11. 75-120 lbs
12. 75-100 lbs

JUNIOR [lacrosse]
(older/lighter) 10-11-12. 90-145 lbs
13. 90-120 lbs

[lacrosse]
(older/lighter) 12-13-14. 105-170 lbs
15 105-140 lbs

It is important to understand why we have grade based groups and why that is happening now as opposed to earlier in the youth game. There is nothing that clubs can do to regulate HS play and there are no HS rules against kids being older for their class. I think this debate is about the youth game. Kids between 8 and 15. Give US Lacrosse some credit. They tried. Here is a link to the Gold Stick Program on their website: http://www.uslacrosse.org/resources/programs-grants/gold-stick-program.aspx

The shortcoming of all this is US Lacrosse implemented guidelines, suggested baseline standards and then listed out some best practices / exceeding the standards. One of the best practices to exceed standards is age based youth teams with further player contact rules. To quote:

Best Practices/Exceeding the standard:
Implementation of additional rules to further emphasis and �exceed� the published rules (i.e., no body contact at all levels U15 and below, grouping players for competition by individual age/year � U15, U14, U13, U12, etc).

I believe this was first circulated by US Lacrosse in early spring of 2014. Did any of you see this link or hear the term Gold Stick Program from your clubs or club owners? Probably not. Definitely not the club my kids play for. Also in spring 2014, and close to immediately after US Lacrosse published this the club owners who control Maryland and DMV lacrosse moved quickly to establish grade based teams going on down to 3rd graders for NPYLL, HOCO and club tournament play. Does anyone believe that timing is an unrelated coincidence? Even if you do not believe that club owners are implicitly celebrating the holdback grades epidemic, all of us would have to at least admit there is a commercial reason for it. A 16 year hold entering 9th grader will have spent two more tuition paying years in the club / clinics / showcase system before "graduating" from club to HS play.

Here is my poke at this...the other posters are right. Sometimes you'll get a 98 pound 14 year old out there with a 180 pound 14 year old. Sometimes you'll find a legit new Mikey Powell who is a 98 pound 12 year old who could play up with 14 year olds. At that point it is up to parental discretion to put a kid into this contact sport or not. No system needs to be set up to make those imbalances go away. What we are talking about now is grade based youth teams are an implicit incentive for parents to go to the "Outliers" book bible. Older, more developed kids will have a sports advantage. I don't care about kids doing pre-first or whatever you call it in Baltimore, but I do share the disgust of many parents redshirting their 8th or 9th graders. The HS rules leave that be for now, but the club owners didn't need to do this to the youth game. If they want to do more teams and make more money, fine. Do U15, U14, U13, etc. just like the US Lacrosse best practices state. Why is that status quo so bad?

One more point: most larger club owners now privately insure their leagues and events. Why? One reason why is if you don't follow US Lacrosse safety guidelines, US Lacrosse won't permit those same leagues or events under their umbrella insurance policy. That plainly means we as parents are also paying higher club and events fees to cover the private insurance costs to preserve grade based youth teams.

The bottom line this is a youth sport. Get off the XBox and iPhones for exercise, socially mix with new friends, compete well, aspire to your goals (make varsity - go on to play college lacrosse) be a good sport and have fun. We can celebrate that and still see some of these kids go on to be Hopkins or UMD commits -- that happens anyways in any competitive sport and there is little to nothing you can do to make your son the new Mikey Powell. I would also wager most of your sons don't want to be the new Mikey Powell as much as their Dads. My kid was worried that I forgot the team snacks and asked several times in the car on the way to his games last weekend if I got a certain flavor of fruit roll-ups. And that was just perfect for 10 years old, thank you very much.

The Pop Warner football model fails at the older brackets. There are too many 7th/8th graders who are too big for JM and M.

Our shcool district has middle school football which is no weight limit. Age limits do apply, but they are structured that a 1x holdback could play. (a 2x holback would be ineligible to play in 8th grade)

The O-Line at our middle school average 180 lbs and none were holdbacks. None were terribly overweight either. Boys hit puberty at different times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.

Surpassed Crabs in hypocrisy in terms of all the "Christian" athletes they are bringing in? Certainly you don't mean in terms of talent on the lacrosse field

Hunh?

Sounds like a Crab Dad is tipping his red solo cup again. Cheers Crabby, see you on the field

In the upcoming recruiting tournaments can the kids that have not been held back / reclassified have a special stripe put on their helmets so everyone will know they are younger than most of their peers. It would be like a badge of honor! Unlike the slinky holdbacks that I am sure would not want to be identified as such.

I concur!!!

College coaches don't care. They are looking at classes, and who are the best in that class. Do you think college basketball coaches care if a guy in, say, the Class of 2016 was originally in the Class of 2015? It happens in all sports.

What a bunch of whiners.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College coaches don't care. They are looking at classes, and who are the best in that class. Do you think college basketball coaches care if a guy in, say, the Class of 2016 was originally in the Class of 2015? It happens in all sports.

What a bunch of whiners.

Way off point there Ryan. This is not a debate about recruiting, and it is well established that kids will repeat grades to play HS ball a year or a few years older and there are no rules against that. The grades teams debate is about the youth game. Or are we all once again just a bunch of dumb and uninformed whiners. Is your point that colleges are evaluating 7th, 5th or 4th graders and that is all they care about? That would be news to all of us. And I like that you picked basketball. Yes, basketball club play is by age. The college coaches in that sport don't seem dazzled or confused about what HS year their recruits are in. Enlighten us or get on topic, or better yet grow a spine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

They must have improved a lot.

Surely the impact of adding 10 players who were 2017 a month ago should help, No?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

They must have improved a lot.

Surely the impact of adding 10 players who were 2017 a month ago should help, No?

As it would for any team. But like most teams, 10 former 2017's did not reclass. Try again.

2017 is a 10 grade team. Might have a bunch of 11 grade age kids on team but 10 grade is past youth lacrosse...Dont like the older kids on teams but in Maryland it is the norm .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.

Basketball is grade based and has just as many re-class kids.

At the highest level of AAU you will have a whole team do it.

Get with it....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.

Try again. Sure looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals. Hogan would love to have some of his Hawks players moonlight AGAINST the Hawks. Good effort though dumb As#.
http://www.alohatournaments.com/Beach-Lax.aspx

Originally Posted by Anonymous

....looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals.

....in OT....

....and lost to the Hawks during the spring season in a full-length, refereed game....

....both great games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.

Try again. Sure looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals. Hogan would love to have some of his Hawks players moonlight AGAINST the Hawks. Good effort though dumb As#.
http://www.alohatournaments.com/Beach-Lax.aspx

Dumb [lacrosse]? Hmmn put your name in there coach.
Moonlight against Hawks? what does that mean???
Dumb [lacrosse].???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.

That says a lot about which club does a better job developing talent.

CRABS are a great collector of talent, but they certainly dont develop it. [lacrosse], many of their returning players arent even developed enough to make it the next year! But, they'll collect a few that developed elsewhere and holdback a few others.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.

Try again. Sure looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals. Hogan would love to have some of his Hawks players moonlight AGAINST the Hawks. Good effort though dumb As#.
http://www.alohatournaments.com/Beach-Lax.aspx

Dumb [lacrosse]? Hmmn put your name in there coach.
Moonlight against Hawks? what does that mean???
Dumb [lacrosse].???

So the team that won the tournament got "3 studs" from the Hawks team they played in the finals? Not likely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS are a great collector of talent, but they certainly dont develop it. [lacrosse], many of their returning players arent even developed enough to make it the next year! But, they'll collect a few that developed elsewhere and holdback a few others.....

Developing players takes time and $, that would be time the directors and partners can't spend on the beach and $ that can't be spent on beach houses...all about the bottom line at Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.

Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.

Try again. Sure looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals. Hogan would love to have some of his Hawks players moonlight AGAINST the Hawks. Good effort though dumb As#.
http://www.alohatournaments.com/Beach-Lax.aspx

Dumb [lacrosse]? Hmmn put your name in there coach.
Moonlight against Hawks? what does that mean???
Dumb [lacrosse].???

So the team that won the tournament got "3 studs" from the Hawks team they played in the finals? Not likely.

FCA and Hawks played in the finals and it was a great game. The Crabs were halfway back to Baltimore.

Is Ryan like Mr Crabs and his players the Crabby paddies???

Crabs beat Hawks by one in last minute of NPYLL
Ship..

3 Hawks players then joined Crabs....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Ryan like Mr Crabs and his players the Crabby paddies???

Ryan is affectionately known as "King Crab"!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018 is Loaded. I would put them up against anyone in country. Even better going in to the fall season.

Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks. Trust me, won't happen again.

November 9th....@ Hopkins....Crabs 2018 vs Team 91....and FCA....

I would trust Crabs middle and HS teams that get top players from other programs will win a lot of games. But to the extent Crabs churn the rosters each tryout period does also mean they don't develop players well enough and that player development is not a primary focus. Poaching players leads to success and the Crabs are a program with success. But they don't develop players well enough to keep a stable group together.

Keep telling your self that. Good one, second tier team parent

No loyalty in the Crab program...constant turnover, always looking for the bigger (or older) kid...and adding a hardshell team when convenient.

The facts are what they are. Returning players getting cut from CRABS and then can't make top teams elsewhere. Whats that tell you about their great coaching and player development????
Poachers and collectors, thats what they are.

Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!

You nailed it.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!

Hawks - develop kids great - kick butt enough to get 2nd place - then get poached of best players

Hawks is a hidden commodity. No bs. Parents are passionate but mean well, unlike crabs, looneys, fca.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!

Hawks - develop kids great - kick butt enough to get 2nd place - then get poached of best players

Hawks-Play daddy ball and second rate events...

Just curious, which Hawks teams play daddy ball?

All of them.

Not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!

Hawks - develop kids great - kick butt enough to get 2nd place - then get poached of best players

Hawks-Play daddy ball and second rate events...

Judge for yourself.

https://www.annapolishawks.com/coaches

How many of these coaches have their own kids on these teams?

If they do have their kids on the team, how many of the kids don't deserve the playing time they get?

In my opinion - when the coach does have a kid on the team, the coach's kid works harder for playing time than the rest of the team.

Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?

WOW....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?

2016 and 2017 are coached by Hogan who does not have kids on the team so you are obviously incorrect in at least two of your three examples.

If there is a Dad coaching anywhere in the club then things will not be even or fair. Some times the trick is the Dad will coach another team and then be taken care of by the Dad coaching the team his sons on. I also think people are not giving these college scouts any credit? If your son is D1 they will find him even if he plays for the team that comes in 3rd or 4th place at these tournaments, just make sure he is starting/playing a lot. They will find your son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?

2016 and 2017 are coached by Hogan who does not have kids on the team so you are obviously incorrect in at least two of your three examples.

2017 has to start over again because whole team left -Daddy Ball-CORRECT.

2016-3 kids commited, 2 to service academies-take them out...Kids scrambling to find college fit-CORRECT!!-DAD helping coach-CORECT

The Crabs comments seem accurate to me. The sad truth is in this sport there is a point where it is time to stop learning and developing and to start being seen and getting noticed. Maybe the elite programs like Crabs don't develop players the best way but come high school they will have sucked in most of the elite talent to run on their teams. College coaches want to evaluate players playing on top teams against other top teams. Crabs are a top team, and I think FCA and Blackwolf are in those spots too. After that you have a lot of fakers like Hawks, VLC, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?

2016 and 2017 are coached by Hogan who does not have kids on the team so you are obviously incorrect in at least two of your three examples.

2017 has to start over again because whole team left -Daddy Ball-CORRECT.

2016-3 kids commited, 2 to service academies-take them out...Kids scrambling to find college fit-CORRECT!!-DAD helping coach-CORECT

So what you are saying is that if a Dad is somehow interested in the team and not the coach, it is still Daddy Ball?

Definition of daddy is simple, so that even you can understand it. If Dad is the coach, kid is on team or is getting playing time over other more deserving/better players. Breakers, Looney's, Rock all guilty....Hawks for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definition of daddy is simple, so that even you can understand it. If Dad is the coach, kid is on team or is getting playing time over other more deserving/better players. Breakers, Looney's, Rock all guilty....Hawks for sure.

Crabs just start a hardshells team when a coach's son can't make a team

Really you left Madlax out of this list. They are top three or four at lowest for MD/VA .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definition of daddy is simple, so that even you can understand it. If Dad is the coach, kid is on team or is getting playing time over other more deserving/better players. Breakers, Looney's, Rock all guilty....Hawks for sure.

If the Dad is the head coach and the son is getting more time, then I can see your point. Otherwise it sounds like the same whining heard all over this site "refs didn't like us", "they had a kid 6 months older", "coach has favorites".

but what if the coach's son is the best player on the team?

Georgetown Prep just graduated a D1 kid that was coached by his kid as a lad - I'm sure there are plenty of others

I would challenge someone to point to a club where there isn't a father coaching. It exists everywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?

2016 and 2017 are coached by Hogan who does not have kids on the team so you are obviously incorrect in at least two of your three examples.

In addition to 2017 and 2016, 2018 Green and Black, 2019 Black not coached by dad's so there are three more teams. Most if not all of the teams are coached by someone with college lacrosse experience, at least two were captains at major Div 1 schools. Why should they not be allowed to coach just because they have a kid on the team? Just because a father is coaching a team, doesn't make it a daddy ball situation, they are two totally different things. There is also a guy named Dave Cottle who is involved. He helped coach the 2015 team and they had a fair amount of success, his son was on that team, I guess just one more example of daddy ball?

Even if it is daddyball...that is one out of 10 players???

Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?

They are busy with drivers ed

"they are busy with drivers ed"

Said the guy whose kid got cut, again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?

They are busy with drivers ed

Lmao

That is funny! but not quite right. I heard several already had their drivers license.

You guys are like the parents who scream, "Thanks, Ref" whenever your son loses a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?

They are busy with drivers ed

You're an idiot. They are all 9-11 yrs old. What's a matter, did your son get cut?

The holdback apologists come out of the woodwork while their sons or friends son play down a year...
or how about this " You're an idiot. You let your 10 year old play against a bunch of 9 year olds, What's the matter can't play with kids his own age"
Hilarious!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?

They are busy with drivers ed

Hey, you can't say that's not funny. No need to rehash the whole reclassification debate here, but when you are known for being the club with a lot of reclassified kids, parents are always going to cite that when you win. Of course, when your 9th grader commits to UNC, JHU or UVA, I don't think you'll care!

Probably very true..I think Rob Pannell was close to 25 when he graduated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably very true..I think Rob Pannell was close to 25 when he graduated.

Rob Pannell. From Maryland right? Oh wait a minute....

Hard to Follow I know...but I suspect Rob's parents could care less about his age during his time in HS and College...now during his youth he probably played up not down

..

Pannell's birthday is December 11, 1989, which means he's 24 right now! Which also means he was 23 when he graduated in 2013 . . . his 5th year in college due to an injury. AND he did a PG year at Deerfield because he would have only been 17 when he started college in 2007/2008.

Get your facts straight before posting on this board.

Glad we have a Fact checker here. Wish you would check more facts than this trivial one. which wasnt about his age as much as parents didnt care...I thought he did a PG and red shirted a year due to injury also. which made him normally two years older than most graduates....But since he started at 17,, I guess Rob was the youngest on his youth team with him being 24 now...I bet he played up, please check these facts and compare to Maryland players that play down.....So only right about him playing down! ...Also I promise not to post until I check facts next time to keep in your graces..

So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.

At 24, Rob Panell could play for the Crabs 2016 team!

Good thing you guys aren't running out of material. It's great reading the same, unfunny jokes again and again.

Sorry things aren't working out for your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.

Amen! So true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.

Obsessed with Crabs? That's kinda like being obsessed with My Space. The best days of both are behind them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.

Obsessed with Crabs? That's kinda like being obsessed with My Space. The best days of both are behind them.

Actually people don't talk about Myspace anymore - that is what makes it irrelevant

The fact that there are people on here repeating the same "jokes" about the crabs and posting the same article about Madlax shows that they are still on top and others are trying to knock them down

When someone or a Team takes an advantage to get ahead not available to most players and teams. Then turns around around and tells you how great they or their team is. And at the same time take youth lacrosse to a new low level in fairplay in Maryland.
Yea you can expect to hear about it always.

No idea why Crabs had to push this issue when they had great teams with just age??? They could have had their grade based HS teams and left the youth to age base like it always was. Sorry this youth issue isnt going away.

now all clubs are doing it. FCA,Looneys,Hawks,Breakers, list goes on. ALl chasing the the same thing. NOTHING

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.

Obsessed with Crabs? That's kinda like being obsessed with My Space. The best days of both are behind them.

Actually people don't talk about Myspace anymore - that is what makes it irrelevant

The fact that there are people on here repeating the same "jokes" about the crabs and posting the same article about Madlax shows that they are still on top and others are trying to knock them down

Madlax on top? Now that's funny. Their 2015 team sucked, the 2016s are average and the 2017 team ysis just above average. Don't out them in the same sentence with the Crabs.

If you think about where Madlax pulls from and where the crabs pull from it is way more impressive they are as good as they are.

The MD talent pool the Crabs pull from is much deeper, but there are also many more clubs fighting for the same kids.

Madlax has most of the best youth kids right now, but those kids leave Madlax in droves once they reach HS.

The Crabs used to have a monopoly on all the top MD kids. No more, but it is still impressive how good their teams are given the competition from other good clubs.

FCA has closed the gap on the Crabs for the elite Baltimore kids, but the Crabs also draw the best kids from outside the Baltimore area that are willing to make that commute to play for the Crabs. Crabs have more kids from all over the state and that makes it easier for them to restock / reload every year.

Crabs also practice more than the other programs and play more games than the other programs.

All of the top programs have their share of holdbacks!

fca closing the gap?? really? they had one victory over crabs. big deal. fca's youth program is a joke. the only good teams weren't even their own teams. they are avg at best

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA has closed the gap on the Crabs for the elite Baltimore kids, but the Crabs also draw the best kids from outside the Baltimore area that are willing to make that commute to play for the Crabs. Crabs have more kids from all over the state and that makes it easier for them to restock / reload every year.

Crabs also practice more than the other programs and play more games than the other programs.

All of the top programs have their share of holdbacks!

All the top programs do not necessarily have their share of holdbacks. What age groups are you referring to?

Looking at the Crabs roosters ..I notice many holdbacks that I know from my sons school.
Crabs will get the majority of holdbacks. It is a star program to MIAA school kids.And that is where the majority of Balt holdbacks are located.That along with many holdbacks parents having sports in mind, and where is top program??? Crabs ....I don't know many 4th-8th grade kids and parents that wouldn't want their sons on Crabs. Crabs will have strong youth teams this year especially with all these holdbacks. No one else will have near as many. Would bet my salary on it.

Holdback are the only way crabs win. Parents should be so proud having their son beating on younger teams.

Last season's U15, 2017, 2016, 2015. Now that the teams are class based the holdbacks will be littered throughout various class based groups. Previously it was only a factor at U15 and above (HS).

The elite teams will have the most holdbacks and will create a greater disparity between the haves and have nots!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA has closed the gap on the Crabs for the elite Baltimore kids, but the Crabs also draw the best kids from outside the Baltimore area that are willing to make that commute to play for the Crabs. Crabs have more kids from all over the state and that makes it easier for them to restock / reload every year.

Crabs also practice more than the other programs and play more games than the other programs.

All of the top programs have their share of holdbacks!

All the top programs do not necessarily have their share of holdbacks. What age groups are you referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The MD talent pool the Crabs pull from is much deeper, but there are also many more clubs fighting for the same kids.

Madlax has most of the best youth kids right now, but those kids leave Madlax in droves once they reach HS.

The Crabs used to have a monopoly on all the top MD kids. No more, but it is still impressive how good their teams are given the competition from other good clubs.

For the spring leagues, the clubs are still fairly regional with Madlax generally the best in doc, crabs best in Baltimore, and hawks best in annapolis.

Ty Xanders made a comment about parents who whine about holdbacks/late starters whatever..

Thinks it funny--the complaining...

Just get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders made a comment about parents who whine about holdbacks/late starters whatever..

Thinks it funny--the complaining...

Just get better.

When we were younger, the better players whether late birthdays or hold backs always played their age (Vitual Reality cals it playing up) not their grade. At least those who had aspirations of ever playing in collage regardless of the sport.

Why aren't the coaches telling the players "sure, hold back and we will have a spot but you better play at the level..." a level that challenges you the most. I don't get it

wont they be playing against a year older in college anyway

Where did Ty Xanders do this

his twitter account

Ty loves the Crabs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders made a comment about parents who whine about holdbacks/late starters whatever..

Thinks it funny--the complaining...

Just get better.

When we were younger, the better players whether late birthdays or hold backs always played their age (Vitual Reality cals it playing up) not their grade. At least those who had aspirations of ever playing in collage regardless of the sport.

Why aren't the coaches telling the players "sure, hold back and we will have a spot but you better play at the level..." a level that challenges you the most. I don't get it

wont they be playing against a year older in college anyway

Yep have a kid with a spring birthday (young) 2017 with offers, as do many of his age appropriate team mates and friends. The only hold back with an offer I know probably needed to stay back because of grades. I don't understand why a parent would think a kid who can't hack 9th grade will do well at a competitive school playing a D1 sport.

I think certain clubs like to make sure they always win. If that means bringing in ringers, or holding back, or both, so be it. It is good for business. Who cares if some of the holdbacks waste time and money and end up not playing at the level they were promised. Club owners have a big reputation and money in the bank.

If parents want to buy into it to say their kid plays D1 lax, so be it. Just remember it will be difficult to get a ringer to take Junior's SATs, get him of his suspension for drinking or fix his GPA. The option, suggesting your kid work harder, train harder and hit the books is difficult for some to imagine so the open a checkbook instead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty Xanders made a comment about parents who whine about holdbacks/late starters whatever..

Thinks it funny--the complaining...

Just get better.

When we were younger, the better players whether late birthdays or hold backs always played their age (Vitual Reality cals it playing up) not their grade. At least those who had aspirations of ever playing in collage regardless of the sport.

Why aren't the coaches telling the players "sure, hold back and we will have a spot but you better play at the level..." a level that challenges you the most. I don't get it

wont they be playing against a year older in college anyway

Yep have a kid with a spring birthday (young) 2017 with offers, as do many of his age appropriate team mates and friends. The only hold back with an offer I know probably needed to stay back because of grades. I don't understand why a parent would think a kid who can't hack 9th grade will do well at a competitive school playing a D1 sport.

I think certain clubs like to make sure they always win. If that means bringing in ringers, or holding back, or both, so be it. It is good for business. Who cares if some of the holdbacks waste time and money and end up not playing at the level they were promised. Club owners have a big reputation and money in the bank.

If parents want to buy into it to say their kid plays D1 lax, so be it. Just remember it will be difficult to get a ringer to take Junior's SATs, get him of his suspension for drinking or fix his GPA. The option, suggesting your kid work harder, train harder and hit the books is difficult for some to imagine so the open a checkbook instead.

The best and most thoughtful post on youth or HS lacrosse ever. Thank you.

Looks like Breakers owner and Crabs owner are teaming up this fall.

"Aloha Tournaments is pleased to be working in conjunction with Ryan McClernan and B'more Lax Company on the Famous Autumn Classic Lacrosse Tournament.
Middle School: $1200 for NPYLL Member or $1500 for NPYLL non-member
High School: $1350 for NSCLA Member or $1550 for NSCLA non-member"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Breakers owner and Crabs owner are teaming up this fall.

"Aloha Tournaments is pleased to be working in conjunction with Ryan McClernan and B'more Lax Company on the Famous Autumn Classic Lacrosse Tournament.
Middle School: $1200 for NPYLL Member or $1500 for NPYLL non-member
High School: $1350 for NSCLA Member or $1550 for NSCLA non-member"

Do the breakers own Aloha? (Or vice versa)

I think NPYLL is spreading around their fall tournament. Last year hogan ran it and the the year before Madlax ran it.

Many of payments to Breakers are made out to Aloha Tournaments. Breaker teams are required to attend Aloha tournaments.

The breakers 2021 team isn't playing in the Aloha Autumn Classic

Breakers are required to attend some..not all

Hello

Better to lay low...
Leave that sleeping bear alone(The 2018 Crabs).

Scrimmaged Breakers today without a few key kids.....

Very talented, a lot of D1 material.

Not even close...stopped keeping score.

2014 npyll champs Madlax enough said.

Crabs beat Hawks in championship.
Hawks beat down Madlax and there early commits
Give me a break

Here are all of the NPYLL Champions

Crabs U15AA
Annapolis Hawks U15A
Crabs U13AA
Annapolis Hawks U13A
Bethesda U11AA
Baltimore Breakers U11A
Bethesda U9AA

If your team is not above, all you can do is practice and keep quiet until spring.....

Nice List....

[quote=Anonymous]Better to lay low...
Leave that sleeping bear alone(The 2018 Crabs).

Scrimmaged Breakers today without a few key kids.....

Very talented, a lot of D1 material.

Not even close...stopped keeping score. [/quote

Give it a rest. You were not even the best 2018 team in Baltimore last year.

[That's why they play the games FCA dude. Pass the hat and show up, then see for your self.quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Better to lay low...
Leave that sleeping bear alone(The 2018 Crabs).

Scrimmaged Breakers today without a few key kids.....

Very talented, a lot of D1 material.

Not even close...stopped keeping score. [/quote

Give it a rest. You were not even the best 2018 team in Baltimore last year.

What are grad years for champions

FCA will take it to Crabs this year, just wait

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are grad years for champions

2023 u9aa
2022 u11a
2021 u11aa
2020 u13a
2019 u13aa
2018 u15aa

I'm glad youngest my kid decided to play baseball instead of lacrosse. Never thought I'd write that a few years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are grad years for champions

2023 u9aa
2022 u11a
2021 u11aa
2020 u13a
2019 u13aa
2018 u15aa

11A and 13A was combine older teams playing down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm glad youngest my kid decided to play baseball instead of lacrosse. Never thought I'd write that a few years ago.

Elite baseball clubs are just as bad. Plus you have all of the repetitive motion injuries if your kid is pitching.

Just have him play whatever he wants until it stops being fun.

Nothing is worse than lacrosse parents. Baseball has some crazies, and to be fair if you are good enough at baseball you can go to college for free or make a legit living at the sport. Misguided to do anything except for the kid's fun and fulfillment to be on a team and make friends...but at least in baseball the crazies are explained by the possibility of riches. In lacrosse your kids can hope Lacrosse Unlimited stores are hiring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing is worse than lacrosse parents. Baseball has some crazies, and to be fair if you are good enough at baseball you can go to college for free or make a legit living at the sport. Misguided to do anything except for the kid's fun and fulfillment to be on a team and make friends...but at least in baseball the crazies are explained by the possibility of riches. In lacrosse your kids can hope Lacrosse Unlimited stores are hiring.

and lacrosse offers kids from baltimore, long island, upstate ny and a few other locales the ability to get your kid into a better college - ivies, acc schools, etc. recruit ~15 kids per year!

I tell my football and baseball parents all the time that the Lacrosse world is not about the free money. I am always saying the lacrosse parent sees lacrosse a a way to get your kid into UVA once they get that first B in 9th grade. Because you can not get into schools like UVA or better with a couple B's if you do not play a sport they care about. And we all know our kids by high school if you know your kid is not going to get all A's you go to the next best thing lacrosse.

There are opportunities to go to a great school and get a great education. The perfect lacrosse career is use the sport to get into an awesome school, then ditch lacrosse after first year of fall ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing is worse than lacrosse parents. Baseball has some crazies, and to be fair if you are good enough at baseball you can go to college for free or make a legit living at the sport. Misguided to do anything except for the kid's fun and fulfillment to be on a team and make friends...but at least in baseball the crazies are explained by the possibility of riches. In lacrosse your kids can hope Lacrosse Unlimited stores are hiring.

Doesn't hurt if you are from Central America as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Better to lay low...
Leave that sleeping bear alone(The 2018 Crabs).

Scrimmaged Breakers today without a few key kids.....

Very talented, a lot of D1 material.

Not even close...stopped keeping score.

Where were those kids? The UVA camp?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are grad years for champions

2023 u9aa
2022 u11a
2021 u11aa
2020 u13a
2019 u13aa
2018 u15aa

11A and 13A was combine older teams playing down

Ignorant comment.
They didnt play down. The leagues were set up differently. Some teams were only age based and some were grade based. Some teams were young and some old. Little screwy but worked out as no one ran away with any league. This year its only grade based.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA will take it to Crabs this year, just wait

You will get your chance very soon big mouth

CRABS 2019 will be awfully embarrassed when THUNDER beat them in the Autumn Classic!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2019 will be awfully embarrassed when THUNDER beat them in the Autumn Classic!!

No doubt. Kevin Durant has a sick elevator shot!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA will take it to Crabs this year, just wait

You will get your chance very soon big mouth

I think someone struck a nerve

Some of you guys need to give fantasy football a try. This thread is running out of FCA vs. Breakers vs. Crabs who has better pre-puberty boys comedy material.

Crabs 2022 is a new team playing against Hawks, Manhasset, and Looneys in GT Fall invite. What are the odds they go 3-0?

O-3

Odds very good. Manhasset is a town team not club. Looneys not very good. Hawks where ok last hear they picked up a few players. They never beat any of the top teams from 11uA or AA last year.

Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.

All r weak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds very good. Manhasset is a town team not club. Looneys not very good. Hawks where ok last hear they picked up a few players. They never beat any of the top teams from 11uA or AA last year.

The Hawks did beat the NPYLL champion breakers during the regular season, but lost to them in the championship game. Not really my definition of 'ok'.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.

Dude, they're 5th graders. There aren't holdbacks. There are some kids that went to pre-first, but those kids were born in the summer so they are only a month or two older than my son who has a September birthday and would be on age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds very good. Manhasset is a town team not club. Looneys not very good. Hawks where ok last hear they picked up a few players. They never beat any of the top teams from 11uA or AA last year.

The Hawks did beat the NPYLL champion breakers during the regular season, but lost to them in the championship game. Not really my definition of 'ok'.

Hawks need to beat the cannons and arden to be considered a top 2022 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds very good. Manhasset is a town team not club. Looneys not very good. Hawks where ok last hear they picked up a few players. They never beat any of the top teams from 11uA or AA last year.

The Hawks did beat the NPYLL champion breakers during the regular season, but lost to them in the championship game. Not really my definition of 'ok'.

Hawks need to beat the cannons and arden to be considered a top 2022 team.

Hawks beat Cannons easily twice in Ayla fall league in the past couple weeks. Hawks beat Arden in indoor last year and lost to Arden in Npyll season and at summer exposure.

Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.

Dude, they're 5th graders. There aren't holdbacks. There are some kids that went to pre-first, but those kids were born in the summer so they are only a month or two older than my son who has a September birthday and would be on age.

When you dont go in the grade you are supposed to Sept 1 in MD, it is called holding your child back. Whether it is kindergarten or 9th grade the child was held back. It is great that the MIAA parents can hold all their summer babies back but the majority of MD does not. And all prefirst arent summer babies, some are older than that , You son born in Sept sees no issue, but the child born in May,June,July and Aug does at young ages. Why do these children get shafted??? Where is their prefirst exception to apply for?? So dude it is an advantage at young youth level. and not in the spirit of youth athletics. No worries tho, Uncle Ryan says it is OK and encourages it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.

Dude, they're 5th graders. There aren't holdbacks. There are some kids that went to pre-first, but those kids were born in the summer so they are only a month or two older than my son who has a September birthday and would be on age.

When you dont go in the grade you are supposed to Sept 1 in MD, it is called holding your child back. Whether it is kindergarten or 9th grade the child was held back. It is great that the MIAA parents can hold all their summer babies back but the majority of MD does not. And all prefirst arent summer babies, some are older than that , You son born in Sept sees no issue, but the child born in May,June,July and Aug does at young ages. Why do these children get shafted??? Where is their prefirst exception to apply for?? So dude it is an advantage at young youth level. and not in the spirit of youth athletics. No worries tho, Uncle Ryan says it is OK and encourages it.

Do you honestly think these kids are put in prefirst for athletic reasons? That's ridiculous. They have no idea whether the kid will be an athlete. I agree that there is an issue when kids are repeating grades in middle school so that they can be bigger in sports, my older son lost his spot to a holdback that was repeating 8th grade this year. But, when talking 5th graders, none of these kids were "held back" so that they could dominate on the lacrosse field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.

Npyll are the only "real" games. Most tourney and indoor games are jokes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.

Npyll are the only "real" games. Most tourney and indoor games are jokes.

You are offending a lot of Canadians who think the outdoor games are jokes and indoor is all that matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.

Npyll are the only "real" games. Most tourney and indoor games are jokes.

agree. any boy playing lacrosse outside of this league is just wasting his time

It's come straight from the parents mouth that they held little bro back cause big bro didn't pan out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.

Dude, they're 5th graders. There aren't holdbacks. There are some kids that went to pre-first, but those kids were born in the summer so they are only a month or two older than my son who has a September birthday and would be on age.

When you dont go in the grade you are supposed to Sept 1 in MD, it is called holding your child back. Whether it is kindergarten or 9th grade the child was held back. It is great that the MIAA parents can hold all their summer babies back but the majority of MD does not. And all prefirst arent summer babies, some are older than that , You son born in Sept sees no issue, but the child born in May,June,July and Aug does at young ages. Why do these children get shafted??? Where is their prefirst exception to apply for?? So dude it is an advantage at young youth level. and not in the spirit of youth athletics. No worries tho, Uncle Ryan says it is OK and encourages it.

Do you honestly think these kids are put in prefirst for athletic reasons? That's ridiculous. They have no idea whether the kid will be an athlete. I agree that there is an issue when kids are repeating grades in middle school so that they can be bigger in sports, my older son lost his spot to a holdback that was repeating 8th grade this year. But, when talking 5th graders, none of these kids were "held back" so that they could dominate on the lacrosse field.

Who said it was for athletic reasons? You did. MIAA schools hold the majority of their kids back that are born in summer months. Most have no choice. There are many that are born before summer and do prefirst also. Multiple reasons.And yes some parents have athletics as a reason. That isnt the issue and you should do what is best for your child. But just because your child is held back shouldnt give him an advantage in youth athletics that others dont enjoy. Why do the prefirst get this playing down advantage in youth sports. Why dont all summer born children get this advantage if they want it ?? We are talking youth sports right?? Goes against the concept of fair play in sports.

I still remember the lacrosse players at my ACC school from a generation ago being Baltimore kids who had trouble putting on their shoes without mommy and daddy. The LI lacrosse guys you could drop off in a jungle and they'd figure it out. Sure they were all great lacrosse players, but the Baltimore kids were soft. Now those same Baltimore guys are lacrosse parents. Pre-first and 8th grade part two are just typical patterns with typical excuses for them. I thought then maybe those guys were just privileged sissies, and now I know. Too bad young men get raised like this. They won't be able to deal with anything in life more complicated than a ground ball in a lacrosse game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still remember the lacrosse players at my ACC school from a generation ago being Baltimore kids who had trouble putting on their shoes without mommy and daddy. The LI lacrosse guys you could drop off in a jungle and they'd figure it out. Sure they were all great lacrosse players, but the Baltimore kids were soft. Now those same Baltimore guys are lacrosse parents. Pre-first and 8th grade part two are just typical patterns with typical excuses for them. I thought then maybe those guys were just privileged sissies, and now I know. Too bad young men get raised like this. They won't be able to deal with anything in life more complicated than a ground ball in a lacrosse game.

Duke

Not Duke. They didn't even have a team.

Baltimore kids are sheltered. Kids who leave the Island for college are prepared. A Crab may be physically bigger, stronger and faster and may even be that without holding back grades in a few instances but they can never have the mental toughness to stand taller and stronger when facing a challenge on their own. Because they never practiced doing that as kids. Go get a non fat no dairy latte and think about that for a while.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore kids are sheltered. Kids who leave the Island for college are prepared. A Crab may be physically bigger, stronger and faster and may even be that without holding back grades in a few instances but they can never have the mental toughness to stand taller and stronger when facing a challenge on their own. Because they never practiced doing that as kids. Go get a non fat no dairy latte and think about that for a while.

Crabs are going to kick a litle Long Island [lacrosse] very shortly..
That "fake tough" crap is old.

And - a New England kid will run circles around you anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still remember the lacrosse players at my ACC school from a generation ago being Baltimore kids who had trouble putting on their shoes without mommy and daddy. The LI lacrosse guys you could drop off in a jungle and they'd figure it out. Sure they were all great lacrosse players, but the Baltimore kids were soft. Now those same Baltimore guys are lacrosse parents. Pre-first and 8th grade part two are just typical patterns with typical excuses for them. I thought then maybe those guys were just privileged sissies, and now I know. Too bad young men get raised like this. They won't be able to deal with anything in life more complicated than a ground ball in a lacrosse game.

I seem to remember those blue collar boys from Westchester and West Genny being some tough SOB's. too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.

Npyll are the only "real" games. Most tourney and indoor games are jokes.

agree. any boy playing lacrosse outside of this league is just wasting his time

- not a waste of time, but the irregular field sizes, uncut grass, unlevel fields with holes, insufficiently trained and inexperienced refs, 1 ref per field, irregular time rules and lengths, weird timeout rules, no quarters, brave hearts, no end line balls, no scoreboard, no visible timer, and other crap that goes on at far too many tournaments and leagues will not be seen at Npyll games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore kids are sheltered. Kids who leave the Island for college are prepared. A Crab may be physically bigger, stronger and faster and may even be that without holding back grades in a few instances but they can never have the mental toughness to stand taller and stronger when facing a challenge on their own. Because they never practiced doing that as kids. Go get a non fat no dairy latte and think about that for a while.

You are a joke...the population density of LI is significantly greater than the Balt metro area...of course more kids will go onto Div 1 lacrosse...true, there are some very good LI lacrosse players. Challenges, what challenges do kids on LI face...there is a pizza joint every block, strip malls everywhere, the Gold Coast, Garden City...talk about sheltered...come play an MIAA schedule...Baltimore is smaller, but def holds its own vs LI...and don't even argue about sheltered...now go get a couple slives of pepparoni pizza and a bag of zeppoles and mow my lawn!

Fake tough is what Baltimore lacrosse is all about. US Lacrosse sets calendar aged club team guidelines, and Maryland runs away to change their youth leagues to grade based soon after it is published. Yeah, I remember when I could beat up on my little brothers friends when I was 12 too.

Hawks like to eat Crabs

That's fca

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore kids are sheltered. Kids who leave the Island for college are prepared. A Crab may be physically bigger, stronger and faster and may even be that without holding back grades in a few instances but they can never have the mental toughness to stand taller and stronger when facing a challenge on their own. Because they never practiced doing that as kids. Go get a non fat no dairy latte and think about that for a while.

You are a joke...the population density of LI is significantly greater than the Balt metro area...of course more kids will go onto Div 1 lacrosse...true, there are some very good LI lacrosse players. Challenges, what challenges do kids on LI face...there is a pizza joint every block, strip malls everywhere, the Gold Coast, Garden City...talk about sheltered...come play an MIAA schedule...Baltimore is smaller, but def holds its own vs LI...and don't even argue about sheltered...now go get a couple slives of pepparoni pizza and a bag of zeppoles and mow my lawn!

Ouch! that is funny if true

Fact. Long island was grade based before Maryland. The only long island club that went by age was team long island.

Bunch of clowns. I could use a few long island dads to rake my leaves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bunch of clowns. I could use a few long island dads to rake my leaves.

And then shove them up your arse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bunch of clowns. I could use a few long island dads to rake my leaves.

You couldn't afford it.

About to kick some LI [lacrosse]? That's not working out too well. Crabs 2017s just got curb stomped by LI Turtles. Don't even belong in the same tournament. TALK IS CHEAP.

What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.

It was 9-0 at half, then 12-1 when I stopped watching to go get coffee. Fake tough is talking trash and then rolling out 21 holdback kids on a roster of 25 2017s and still sucking. Rake your own lawns tough guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was 9-0 at half, then 12-1 when I stopped watching to go get coffee. Fake tough is talking trash and then rolling out 21 holdback kids on a roster of 25 2017s and still sucking. Rake your own lawns tough guys.

wait. 21 out of 25? how do you know this?

Their best players held back and are now playing 2018.

2018 beat LI Express 8-5.
good game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 beat LI Express 8-5.
good game

I am glad our holdbacks won something.

Have a new team/org to rag on.
Take away some venom from long Island and FCA and Crabs.

Have a new Jack [lacrosse] team-fake tough.....
2018 BLACKWOLF....

What a freakin joke.Bunch of Cheap shot bums.
Nearly killed 2 kids with late hits after getting smoked by crabs.
Stopped keeping score.
In front of college coaches.!!!
And You suck!!!
Where are these clowns from????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have a new team/org to rag on.
Take away some venom from long Island and FCA and Crabs.

Have a new Jack [lacrosse] team-fake tough.....
2018 BLACKWOLF....

What a freakin joke.Bunch of Cheap shot bums.
Nearly killed 2 kids with late hits after getting smoked by crabs.
Stopped keeping score.
In front of college coaches.!!!
And You suck!!!
Where are these clowns from????

Blackwolf is an over-hyped team from dc. Mostly madlax rejects. Had a few good teams a while back but lately mediocre at best

A college coach just shook his head in disgust when
Kid took a running head start and hit another
Player when he was on ground defenseless
Then took out notebook and made a note

Good luck in your "uncommitted " camp

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have a new team/org to rag on.
Take away some venom from long Island and FCA and Crabs.

Have a new Jack [lacrosse] team-fake tough.....
2018 BLACKWOLF....

What a freakin joke.Bunch of Cheap shot bums.
Nearly killed 2 kids with late hits after getting smoked by crabs.
Stopped keeping score.
In front of college coaches.!!!
And You suck!!!
Where are these clowns from????

Blackwolf 2018 got introduced (cleanly)to a Hawks Kid #15 I believe then got smoked by the same kid during a braveheart. LOL not so tough after all!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 beat LI Express 8-5.
good game

Was a good game-I had 8-6 but crabs definitely controlled second half after being down 5-1. Terps fell apart and crabs just kept fighting. I think these two teams are pretty evenly matched. look forward to the next one...

Blackwolf is not new, theyu are a DC based clubn that has been around for years now and did high school invite only teams very successfully in the recent years. It does seem like their teams after the 2015s and 2016s teams which are very good have dropped down a tier. In the recent year or two it seems they have been less successful picking off players who came up via the other local clubs. It is too bad to read that there were sportsmanship issues out there with the 2018s. Another factor is the DC area prep school lacrosse coaches are aggressively getting into non-spring play and are now doing fall leagues and tournaments and summer tournaments. A lot of kids who would have naturally fit to move over to Blackwolf for no-nonsense high level lacrosse in high school now have those other choices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.

12-2 final

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.

12-2 final

AGAIN-Crabs 2017 had several players out with injuries.
Congrats to Turtles...
Don't get too goofy over it...

Injuries or not a beat down is a beat down

wheres looneys at 2017?

Was wondering when the "we had injuries" or " several were sick " would come out to play.

Watched the FCA teams this past Saturday, horrible conditions,18's looked good, solid across the board, committed lefty attack is really good, a bit on the small side, good group all around, they are the team to beat this year, eager to see them play Crabs as FCA took it to Dukes...As for the 17's, not quite the same story...committed goalie looked inferior to the other, bigger goalie, let in some easy shots... midfield is athletic but inconsistent and indersized, attack was ineffective and the defense was invisible, at one point I saw all short sticks on the field. Not the same team I saw last year...wonder if they use the same injury excuse at the Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.

12-2 final

AGAIN-Crabs 2017 had several players out with injuries.
Congrats to Turtles...
Don't get too goofy over it...

In all fairness, a number of Crabs were in Florida checking out retirement homes, the faceoff gentleman was getting his prostate checked and one attckman was attending his daughters Bat Mitzvah...tougher to get free when you get older, more responsibilities

Crabs have become a joke. Even the families of kids going to private schools for lacrosse are pulling maneuvers to do a PG year so junior can play college lacrosse. If you already went in for a four year Maryland prep school for lacrosse and it doesn't work, then commit to be a PG for another $60K at a boarding school? Why not just buy the kid a sports car? Cheaper way to address the insecurity and self esteem problems that come with being a Maryland teen who isn't the best lax player for his age.

Actuall the post-grad year is a quality Long Island move.
Rob Pannell and Myles jones are among the highest profile
Long Island kids. Does it matter in you do it in 9th
grade or 12th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.

12-2 final

AGAIN-Crabs 2017 had several players out with injuries.
Congrats to Turtles...
Don't get too goofy over it...

Wasnt the result the same at Crabfeast this past summer? Wait...too hot and humid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actuall the post-grad year is a quality Long Island move.
Rob Pannell and Myles jones are among the highest profile
Long Island kids. Does it matter in you do it in 9th
grade or 12th grade?

Of course it matters. In 9th grade your play is that the kid is bigger and stronger than the little kids a year younger. As a result, he will stand out.

By 12th grade, 98% of the boys are fully grown, size is no longer the play.

PG play is all about--

getting grades up or playing for the specific school you want. In some cases, it used to be about another year of exposure because your HS team had a stud ahead of you and you never saw the field even though you were D-1 material. Today, this doesn't happen because kids are getting recruited in 9th grade before HS ball and as a result of club play...

Yes it matters. the reclass 8/9th graders are gaming the system for the size advantage.

MD parents are smart and figured it out early, the rest of the world is catching on and this will be common place if and when LAX gives full rides at D-1.

Most LI people won't do it now because it is a financial loser.

It is all about the parents ego...JHU anyone?

Kids from all over in many sports have been doing PG years to pull up grades for years. I think the point is entirely lost on Maryland parents. It is pathetic to do 8th grade or 9th grade twice into a four year Maryland prep school for lacrosse, and then go again PG at a NE school after not cutting it as a reclassified kid.

Several of the Turtles 2017 players stayed up late watching television and also had a sugary breakfast. It's almost like those mountains to climb were nothing. Sorry to the Crabs, sounds like the most common injury is bruised egos. Get some rest, it's coming again.

What Maryland boys are reclassing and then doing a PG year? I don't know
of any?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What Maryland boys are reclassing and then doing a PG year? I don't know
of any?

A good start is to look at the Crabs website.

Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend

Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.

Hawks eat crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have a new team/org to rag on.
Take away some venom from long Island and FCA and Crabs.

Have a new Jack [lacrosse] team-fake tough.....
2018 BLACKWOLF....

What a freakin joke.Bunch of Cheap shot bums.
Nearly killed 2 kids with late hits after getting smoked by crabs.
Stopped keeping score.
In front of college coaches.!!!
And You suck!!!
Where are these clowns from????

Blackwolf is an over-hyped team from dc. Mostly madlax rejects. Had a few good teams a while back but lately mediocre at best

Wrong. Blackwolf's teams smoke their Madlax counterparts at every grade level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks eat crabs

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......

Ryan McClernan needs to spend more time running an organization and less time on chat boards. Only then will the Crabs be a class organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan McClernan needs to spend more time running an organization and less time on chat boards. Only then will the Crabs be a class organization.

Maybe more time on a treadmill

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks eat crabs

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......

Crabs eat Hawks players once they have been developed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks eat crabs

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......

NO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks eat crabs

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......

NO

Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.

I hear crabs 2020 running away from Sunday enemy in the spring. What you can't beat looneys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks eat crabs

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......

NO

Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.

Arent most teams full of mid tier players? How many HS starting spots are available. Then after that how many College spots are available. Most of us are just chasing a pipedream .

If you knew Hogan, you wouldn't refer to what he has as a cash machine. He's a good guy who knows the players on his teams and gives them great opportunities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks eat crabs

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......

NO

Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.

All Hawks tryouts had more than enough kids for an A & B teams at most ages. For those ages where the tryouts were not well attended, only an A team was put together. All Hawks teams have winning records. If Hogan was just in it for the cash, there would be multiple A or B teams at every level and their poor performance would reflect it. He does a great job for the kids that live within 1/2 hr of Annapolis. The Baltimore & DC clubs have a much larger pool of kids to pull from.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend

Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.

Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend

Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.

Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good

What's Crabs 2021's excuse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks eat crabs

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......

NO

Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.

All Hawks tryouts had more than enough kids for an A & B teams at most ages. For those ages where the tryouts were not well attended, only an A team was put together. All Hawks teams have winning records. If Hogan was just in it for the cash, there would be multiple A or B teams at every level and their poor performance would reflect it. He does a great job for the kids that live within 1/2 hr of Annapolis. The Baltimore & DC clubs have a much larger pool of kids to pull from.

Much larger pool? But how many teams are there? crabs, breakers, rock, FCA, Greene Turtle, MLC, Zingos, Koopers, Roughriders, Looneys, MD Elite, Bitmore. Should I keep going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend

Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.

Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good

What's Crabs 2021's excuse?

It will be they were missing kids or the coach wasnt there. Up 5-0 to the the 2021 Hawks and losing in OT......coaching!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend

Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.

Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good

What are you basing this on? Crabs 2022 outplayed Hawks all game until blowing a 2 goal lead in the last minute. Then they lost 4-2 to Manhasset. After that they beat Looneys 16-3. You have to remember, yesterday was the first day that Crabs team ever played together in a game. Considering the Hawks and Manhasset teams have existed for 2-3 years, I would say what the 2022 did yesterday was pretty impressive. We will see in the spring when it comes to Hawks vs Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks eat crabs

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......

NO

Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.

All Hawks tryouts had more than enough kids for an A & B teams at most ages. For those ages where the tryouts were not well attended, only an A team was put together. All Hawks teams have winning records. If Hogan was just in it for the cash, there would be multiple A or B teams at every level and their poor performance would reflect it. He does a great job for the kids that live within 1/2 hr of Annapolis. The Baltimore & DC clubs have a much larger pool of kids to pull from.

Much larger pool? But how many teams are there? crabs, breakers, rock, FCA, Greene Turtle, MLC, Zingos, Koopers, Roughriders, Looneys, MD Elite, Bitmore. Should I keep going?

Same boat for Annapolis clubs - Sidewinders, Prime, Arden, PLC, Snappers, API, etc. Lots of clubs fighting for kids in the Annapolis pool as well - just a smaller pool. Even more a testament to what Hogan has accomplished (FYI - MD Elite was in Emmitsburg and merged with Lax Factory in Frederick - so they are not really in the Baltimore pool)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend

Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.

Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good

What are you basing this on? Crabs 2022 outplayed Hawks all game until blowing a 2 goal lead in the last minute. Then they lost 4-2 to Manhasset. After that they beat Looneys 16-3. You have to remember, yesterday was the first day that Crabs team ever played together in a game. Considering the Hawks and Manhasset teams have existed for 2-3 years, I would say what the 2022 did yesterday was pretty impressive. We will see in the spring when it comes to Hawks vs Crabs

Crabs younger teams aren't good until they start bringing in the reclassed kids around 6th grade. Lots of good lax in the baltimore area but nothing special until they start cheating and placing older kids against younger kids. Don't have to be a rhodes scholar do know that the older kids will outperform...Great to see the club lose so much yesterday when playing against kids their own age.

The youth level teams for Crabs will never be heads above the rest again. The sport has grown and there are a lot of great players being developed at many programs. FCA, Madax and Breakers and other clubs also have good coaching and player development. Another reason why is Ryan McClernan is starting to pay for many years of treating people badly and being a bully. That may seem pathetic to Crabs toughies, but lacrosse clubs are youth sport organizations with paying customers. He treats lacrosse families like garbage and expects everyone to keep begging for more so their son can play college lacrosse. Turns out he is not the gatekeeper and there are a lot of competing clubs that develop players who wind up getting college opportunities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend

Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.

Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good

What are you basing this on? Crabs 2022 outplayed Hawks all game until blowing a 2 goal lead in the last minute. Then they lost 4-2 to Manhasset. After that they beat Looneys 16-3. You have to remember, yesterday was the first day that Crabs team ever played together in a game. Considering the Hawks and Manhasset teams have existed for 2-3 years, I would say what the 2022 did yesterday was pretty impressive. We will see in the spring when it comes to Hawks vs Crabs

Crabs younger teams aren't good until they start bringing in the reclassed kids around 6th grade. Lots of good lax in the baltimore area but nothing special until they start cheating and placing older kids against younger kids. Don't have to be a rhodes scholar do know that the older kids will outperform...Great to see the club lose so much yesterday when playing against kids their own age.

There 2021 has many holdbacks on it now. Dont know about holdbacks on GT and Hawks?. But I thought that with their holdbacks and older players that Crabs would have gone 3-0 at GT. I guess I was wrong.
Still a good team . Just not going to dominate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The youth level teams for Crabs will never be heads above the rest again. The sport has grown and there are a lot of great players being developed at many programs. FCA, Madax and Breakers and other clubs also have good coaching and player development. Another reason why is Ryan McClernan is starting to pay for many years of treating people badly and being a bully. That may seem pathetic to Crabs toughies, but lacrosse clubs are youth sport organizations with paying customers. He treats lacrosse families like garbage and expects everyone to keep begging for more so their son can play college lacrosse. Turns out he is not the gatekeeper and there are a lot of competing clubs that develop players who wind up getting college opportunities.

Let me guess Jack [lacrosse],
Your kid did not make Crabs.

We made the switch and have never been treated better.
Getting more looks and more contact from D1 college coaches than you could imagine.

Also playing with better players.
He gets results..

Get your son on that damn wall......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The youth level teams for Crabs will never be heads above the rest again. The sport has grown and there are a lot of great players being developed at many programs. FCA, Madax and Breakers and other clubs also have good coaching and player development. Another reason why is Ryan McClernan is starting to pay for many years of treating people badly and being a bully. That may seem pathetic to Crabs toughies, but lacrosse clubs are youth sport organizations with paying customers. He treats lacrosse families like garbage and expects everyone to keep begging for more so their son can play college lacrosse. Turns out he is not the gatekeeper and there are a lot of competing clubs that develop players who wind up getting college opportunities.

I agree. With the explosion of Club teams in last couple of years many players at a young age are getting very good instructions.
Baltimore had a lot of good lacrosse players coming out of it in years past. But I think in the next few years there will be a bigger pool of players with talent coming from Baltimore. Of course other areas are also coming on strong too with their talented players..

There are so many haters on this board it�s hilarious. If the Crabs win � they�ve cheated. If they lose � they�re @@@holes. �McClernan�s making too much money�� other programs are stepping up� � �MccClernan�s a jerk to the parents.� uhhh � ok?

There isn�t a successful club program director out there who spends much time catering to hypersensitive, helicopter parents. Call Bryan Kelly or Hogan or Maddex and spell out your vision for Junior�s Division 1 future� or better yet tell them why your eye for lacrosse talent is more developed than theirs � they will all respond similarly � and you�ll post about that too.

Bottom Line: deeeeep down inside you would all jump at the chance to put your little scooper on a Crabs team. Junior�s just not good enough right now and you�re really angry about it. So you will complain and whine until next year when Junior shows up at try-outs again and the cycle continues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are so many haters on this board it�s hilarious. If the Crabs win � they�ve cheated. If they lose � they�re @@@holes. �McClernan�s making too much money�� other programs are stepping up� � �MccClernan�s a jerk to the parents.� uhhh � ok?

There isn�t a successful club program director out there who spends much time catering to hypersensitive, helicopter parents. Call Bryan Kelly or Hogan or Maddex and spell out your vision for Junior�s Division 1 future� or better yet tell them why your eye for lacrosse talent is more developed than theirs � they will all respond similarly � and you�ll post about that too.

Bottom Line: deeeeep down inside you would all jump at the chance to put your little scooper on a Crabs team. Junior�s just not good enough right now and you�re really angry about it. So you will complain and whine until next year when Junior shows up at try-outs again and the cycle continues.

They'll "jump at the chance" once they get held back in 7th grade...

How did FCA _Crabs game at Hopkins yesterday go?
2018's??

Crabs won 10-6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did FCA _Crabs game at Hopkins yesterday go?
2018's??

How about 91 Extreme v Crabs 2018?

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

We left Crabs for a better program. Deep down, nobody cares that much about you Ryan to take the fake tough talk from a guy who never played the game, never played a college sport or competed at a high level in any sport. And yes, my kid is a high level D1 commit, but thank you for your concerns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

and just wait till they get into 6th grade and our holds kick in. You won't be smiling then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about 91 Extreme v Crabs 2018?

91 won 8-6.

the 91 fogo was outstanding....won 80%+....

91 won 8-6 over crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

FYI hawks 2022 is average at best team for this age group.
Yes maybe crabs first game as crabs but not first time playing lacrosee. What else you got. NY team you lost to is a town team not a club team not even in the top ten LI teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

and just wait till they get into 6th grade and our holds kick in. You won't be smiling then.

You're an idiot. You really think Crabs is the only team that has hold backs? There are just as many on Breakers and FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

It's not hating. It's the same reason everyone rushes the court when they beat duke. You can't dominate for years and then get pissed off and offer up lame excuses when the teams you beat up on occasionally get a win.

What's the excuse for the 2021 crabs that lost to 2021 Hawks after taking 4 of the starting Hawks from last year's team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

and just wait till they get into 6th grade and our holds kick in. You won't be smiling then.

You're an idiot. You really think Crabs is the only team that has hold backs? There are just as many on Breakers and FCA.

Factually incorrect. There is not a program in Baltimore with the number of holdbacks - across all of the older teams - that the Crabs have. No other program comes remotely close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

and just wait till they get into 6th grade and our holds kick in. You won't be smiling then.

You're an idiot. You really think Crabs is the only team that has hold backs? There are just as many on Breakers and FCA.

Factually incorrect. There is not a program in Baltimore with the number of holdbacks - across all of the older teams - that the Crabs have. No other program comes remotely close.

That is correct. Crabs have the prize for most holdbacks. Ryan has said many times to parents he encourages it for developement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

It's not hating. It's the same reason everyone rushes the court when they beat duke. You can't dominate for years and then get pissed off and offer up lame excuses when the teams you beat up on occasionally get a win.

What's the excuse for the 2021 crabs that lost to 2021 Hawks after taking 4 of the starting Hawks from last year's team.

Thats interesting ..4 starters left Hawks and Hawks beat them . Thats gotta feel good.

I'm not a crab parent. My kid would likely not make the crabs. He's young for his grade and still filling out, and although he has some high level skill, he likely wouldn't be get picked for a crabs team -- bigger, stronger, faster. We play for a competitive program in Baltimore and we'll wait and see how it goes.

That said, if you are discussing programs which have turned out some incredibly successful players and prepared them for the next LACROSSE level, there isn't another program in Baltimore with an equally successful track record... Period. The crabs are mercenaries... They pick the very best in their class and they play the very best... And their kids move on to play great lacrosse for prominent schools... Period. If that's how you define success, then the crabs have everyone beat...Period.

"Left for a better program". I doubt it. There is always more to the story. My kid plays for one of those "better programs" and when I meet a family coming from the crabs... Inevitably there is more to the story.

McClernan "Never played college lacrosse" so he must suck... Uhhh .... Professional sports and business in general is chock full of people who create winning organizations and never played the game at a high level. My opinion --- a lot of these guys over 40 who were lax all stars and coach lax all teams would not have played the game at the same level if they were college athletes today... Look at them... And then look at the rosters of D 1 today. The game has changed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a crab parent. My kid would likely not make the crabs. He's young for his grade and still filling out, and although he has some high level skill, he likely wouldn't be get picked for a crabs team -- bigger, stronger, faster. We play for a competitive program in Baltimore and we'll wait and see how it goes.

That said, if you are discussing programs which have turned out some incredibly successful players and prepared them for the next LACROSSE level, there isn't another program in Baltimore with an equally successful track record... Period. The crabs are mercenaries... They pick the very best in their class and they play the very best... And their kids move on to play great lacrosse for prominent schools... Period. If that's how you define success, then the crabs have everyone beat...Period.

"Left for a better program". I doubt it. There is always more to the story. My kid plays for one of those "better programs" and when I meet a family coming from the crabs... Inevitably there is more to the story.

McClernan "Never played college lacrosse" so he must suck... Uhhh .... Professional sports and business in general is chock full of people who create winning organizations and never played the game at a high level. My opinion --- a lot of these guys over 40 who were lax all stars and coach lax all teams would not have played the game at the same level if they were college athletes today... Look at them... And then look at the rosters of D 1 today. The game has changed.

Well said...
Baltimore Crabs id hands down the best program in the DMV

I agree, best in Baltimore. All the others are extension of rec.

Crabs the best in Baltimore at one time. But like all good things it comes to a end. Times are a changing.

Please, there are good teams at different grad years. The good ones will leave for crabs for a few reasons. Name and to get away from daddy ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

FYI hawks 2022 is average at best team for this age group.
Yes maybe crabs first game as crabs but not first time playing lacrosee. What else you got. NY team you lost to is a town team not a club team not even in the top ten LI teams.

I would agree with most of what the prior poster states, however, Manhasset's town team beat every other travel club on LI last year except for Team 91's "A" Team, to say "not even in the top ten LI teams" is [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a crab parent. My kid would likely not make the crabs. He's young for his grade and still filling out, and although he has some high level skill, he likely wouldn't be get picked for a crabs team -- bigger, stronger, faster. We play for a competitive program in Baltimore and we'll wait and see how it goes.

That said, if you are discussing programs which have turned out some incredibly successful players and prepared them for the next LACROSSE level, there isn't another program in Baltimore with an equally successful track record... Period. The crabs are mercenaries... They pick the very best in their class and they play the very best... And their kids move on to play great lacrosse for prominent schools... Period. If that's how you define success, then the crabs have everyone beat...Period.

"Left for a better program". I doubt it. There is always more to the story. My kid plays for one of those "better programs" and when I meet a family coming from the crabs... Inevitably there is more to the story.

McClernan "Never played college lacrosse" so he must suck... Uhhh .... Professional sports and business in general is chock full of people who create winning organizations and never played the game at a high level. My opinion --- a lot of these guys over 40 who were lax all stars and coach lax all teams would not have played the game at the same level if they were college athletes today... Look at them... And then look at the rosters of D 1 today. The game has changed.

This post was obviously written by Ryan McClernan. I don't define better as being on the best club team winning the most "ships" as King Crab loves tweeting about. I define it as player development and there are programs doing it better with specialist coaches at positions like FoGo and goalie. Want specialist instruction at Crabs? Go to a clinic or camp. There isn't any doubt Crabs spent most of the last decade kicking everyone's teeth in and placing many more players into college than all others. That said, all others locally were not around 10 years ago and many like FCA were not around even 3-4 years ago. Look how much that gap closed even in the past year at the youth levels. Yes, Crabs ogle and market to get the best players from other programs to come over. Paul Rabil was a Crab? Yes, when he was finishing up high school. The signature Crabs player started somewhere else. But now, that seems to work less or not at all. Years of arse kissing later Crabs didn't get the Breakers or FCA Baltimore area commits to come over and these are kids who organically came up at those programs and are ACC, Big 10 or other big program commits. The Crabs tribal dance over being the 800 pound gorilla for 10+ years is at best misleading. For most of that time they were the only animal specie in a very small jungle. And it again comes down to how people are treated. My Kim didn't get cut, he wanted another program with better player development because winning 'ships on a high school club team does nothing to advance his game. Yes, team mommies ask about former Crabs. Some kids cut, but a growing trend is they just leave to go elsewhere for some reason...friends, coaching preferences or club philosophy change. And sometimes there is a lot more to the story, and that is usually that Ryan is disliked and not fogotten quickly enough for treating people poorly or unprofessionally. Kind of like the Madlax pounding, you hear something once maybe you look past. You hear it over and over, and...

Ever notice how Crabs are always outraged on this thread and turn the bully fast? Yeah, that works out great in a youth sport for a long time...until something better comes along and is available. Like Breakers, FCA, etc all of whom can now compete with or beat Crabs youth and HS teams on a given day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

FYI hawks 2022 is average at best team for this age group.
Yes maybe crabs first game as crabs but not first time playing lacrosee. What else you got. NY team you lost to is a town team not a club team not even in the top ten LI teams.

Not sure of any town teams down here that cost $1000 to play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs the best in Baltimore at one time. But like all good things it comes to a end. Times are a changing.

Really???? The times are changing? Show me one other club that came anywhere near to matching what Crabs graduated last year.

Tal Bruno - Mid - BL JHU
Shack Stanwick - Att - BL JHU
Hunter Moreland - Mid - BL JHU
Brinton Valis - Mid - Mcdonogh JHU
Chase Campbell - Def - Gilman UVA
Tyler Ruhl - Att - Gilman ND
Pierre Byrne - Att - Culver ND
Erik Evans - Def - CHC OSU
Brendan Barger -LPM - Gilman OSU
Colin Chell - ATT - BL OSU
Brock Turnbaugh - Goal - Hereford JHU
Jesse Uhlman - Mid - Westminster TU
William McBride - Mid - Gilman UNC
Calvin Livingston - Def - McDonogh TU
Chase Wittich - Att - Gilman Colgate
Chris Anderson - Mid - Loyola Brown
Whit Schweizer - LPM - SP Washington College
Pat McManus - Mid - BL Washington College
Brandon Aro - Def - Rising Sun Navy
Andrew Gemma - Mid - Gilman Tufts
Peter Brown - Mid - Gilman Sewanee
Keegan O'Connor - Mid - BL UMD
Michael Alderman - Mid - Loyola Hamilton College

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a crab parent. My kid would likely not make the crabs. He's young for his grade and still filling out, and although he has some high level skill, he likely wouldn't be get picked for a crabs team -- bigger, stronger, faster. We play for a competitive program in Baltimore and we'll wait and see how it goes.

That said, if you are discussing programs which have turned out some incredibly successful players and prepared them for the next LACROSSE level, there isn't another program in Baltimore with an equally successful track record... Period. The crabs are mercenaries... They pick the very best in their class and they play the very best... And their kids move on to play great lacrosse for prominent schools... Period. If that's how you define success, then the crabs have everyone beat...Period.

"Left for a better program". I doubt it. There is always more to the story. My kid plays for one of those "better programs" and when I meet a family coming from the crabs... Inevitably there is more to the story.

McClernan "Never played college lacrosse" so he must suck... Uhhh .... Professional sports and business in general is chock full of people who create winning organizations and never played the game at a high level. My opinion --- a lot of these guys over 40 who were lax all stars and coach lax all teams would not have played the game at the same level if they were college athletes today... Look at them... And then look at the rosters of D 1 today. The game has changed.

This post was obviously written by Ryan McClernan. I don't define better as being on the best club team winning the most "ships" as King Crab loves tweeting about. I define it as player development and there are programs doing it better with specialist coaches at positions like FoGo and goalie. Want specialist instruction at Crabs? Go to a clinic or camp. There isn't any doubt Crabs spent most of the last decade kicking everyone's teeth in and placing many more players into college than all others. That said, all others locally were not around 10 years ago and many like FCA were not around even 3-4 years ago. Look how much that gap closed even in the past year at the youth levels. Yes, Crabs ogle and market to get the best players from other programs to come over. Paul Rabil was a Crab? Yes, when he was finishing up high school. The signature Crabs player started somewhere else. But now, that seems to work less or not at all. Years of arse kissing later Crabs didn't get the Breakers or FCA Baltimore area commits to come over and these are kids who organically came up at those programs and are ACC, Big 10 or other big program commits. The Crabs tribal dance over being the 800 pound gorilla for 10+ years is at best misleading. For most of that time they were the only animal specie in a very small jungle. And it again comes down to how people are treated. My Kim didn't get cut, he wanted another program with better player development because winning 'ships on a high school club team does nothing to advance his game. Yes, team mommies ask about former Crabs. Some kids cut, but a growing trend is they just leave to go elsewhere for some reason...friends, coaching preferences or club philosophy change. And sometimes there is a lot more to the story, and that is usually that Ryan is disliked and not fogotten quickly enough for treating people poorly or unprofessionally. Kind of like the Madlax pounding, you hear something once maybe you look past. You hear it over and over, and...

Ever notice how Crabs are always outraged on this thread and turn the bully fast? Yeah, that works out great in a youth sport for a long time...until something better comes along and is available. Like Breakers, FCA, etc all of whom can now compete with or beat Crabs youth and HS teams on a given day

Breakers?? They can't even fill out their youth teams. Their 2019 team won about 3 games last year. I agree, Crabs was the elephant for years, but honestly, Breakers was a close second. If you want to talk about a club falling off, it's Breakers, not Crabs. The clubs are coning up with all this "Developmental Programs" to offer something different. Don't act like it's an extra perc as opposed to Crabs pushing you to their camps. Breakers new "Developmental Program" that Mark is pushing down everyone's throats is costing parents an extra $700 bucks this year pushing the total price to play for Breakers up near $2500. I asked a 2019 parent what they are getting for the extra $700 and he said hopefully a couple more wins. Every club has faults. If you think Mark Millon is any less arrogant than Ryan you're kidding yourself. Every club is out to get the best kids, to get their kids the most "Ships". It's a wicked game that we all choose to be a part of. All parents can do is what they feel is right for their kid. For some it's Crabs, others it's Breakers or FCA. I have boys at multiple clubs. My son on Crabs is there because he wanted to be. Most of the kids on their team always wanted to be on Crabs and a lot of them were cut at one point. It's not the parents in many of these cases pushing them there. The perception amongst a lot of the kids is that Crabs is the best and that's where they want to be. Until the perception changes things will stay the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs the best in Baltimore at one time. But like all good things it comes to a end. Times are a changing.

Really???? The times are changing? Show me one other club that came anywhere near to matching what Crabs graduated last year.

Tal Bruno - Mid - BL JHU
Shack Stanwick - Att - BL JHU
Hunter Moreland - Mid - BL JHU
Brinton Valis - Mid - Mcdonogh JHU
Chase Campbell - Def - Gilman UVA
Tyler Ruhl - Att - Gilman ND
Pierre Byrne - Att - Culver ND
Erik Evans - Def - CHC OSU
Brendan Barger -LPM - Gilman OSU
Colin Chell - ATT - BL OSU
Brock Turnbaugh - Goal - Hereford JHU
Jesse Uhlman - Mid - Westminster TU
William McBride - Mid - Gilman UNC
Calvin Livingston - Def - McDonogh TU
Chase Wittich - Att - Gilman Colgate
Chris Anderson - Mid - Loyola Brown
Whit Schweizer - LPM - SP Washington College
Pat McManus - Mid - BL Washington College
Brandon Aro - Def - Rising Sun Navy
Andrew Gemma - Mid - Gilman Tufts
Peter Brown - Mid - Gilman Sewanee
Keegan O'Connor - Mid - BL UMD
Michael Alderman - Mid - Loyola Hamilton College

How many of these kids were with the Crabs for more than a year or two?

I was getting the impression that Crabs were just becoming an East Coast all star team that went to a couple tournaments together with minimal practices and development.

I had heard that even the sons of competing clubs will join the crabs all star tour just for the visibility of skills learned elsewhere.

A list of 2014 commits? Really? The point is that lacrosse has moved in past 3-4 years and that is the same 3-4 years that has shown new clubs. The 2014 HS class is a prime exemplar of the past. You see another great 2015 commits list for Crabs, and then the 2016s has a drop off and the 2017s another drop off. Yes, some great players and commits but the same number of commits as FCA and Breakers. And no...you don't have FCA kids auditioning to be Crabs or kids from DC craving to leave their clubs to drive up or Annapolis kids looking beyond the new 3d thing growing over there for a change. There is a lot of great lacrosse In Maryland now and it isn't going back to the good ole Crabs roll everyone over years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.

FYI hawks 2022 is average at best team for this age group.
Yes maybe crabs first game as crabs but not first time playing lacrosee. What else you got. NY team you lost to is a town team not a club team not even in the top ten LI teams.

Hawks is an average team at 2022 that went 8-2 and lost in the finals of the NPYLL??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A list of 2014 commits? Really? The point is that lacrosse has moved in past 3-4 years and that is the same 3-4 years that has shown new clubs. The 2014 HS class is a prime exemplar of the past. You see another great 2015 commits list for Crabs, and then the 2016s has a drop off and the 2017s another drop off. Yes, some great players and commits but the same number of commits as FCA and Breakers. And no...you don't have FCA kids auditioning to be Crabs or kids from DC craving to leave their clubs to drive up or Annapolis kids looking beyond the new 3d thing growing over there for a change. There is a lot of great lacrosse In Maryland now and it isn't going back to the good ole Crabs roll everyone over years.

So the 16 2016 kids committed to D1 schools, 12 of which are going to teams ranked in the top 15 is a drop off? And the 7 sophomores committed to JHU, Penn, OSU and Harvard is a drop off? You really think Breakers or FCA rival that?

FCA has kids headed to ACC and Big 10 programs, but is a bit more discrete to publicize it. Clearly FCA isn't a shabby place to play ball if that is the measure, and consider that this program is less than 3 years old. And back on point, the quality of a club program is not the body count of kids playing college. A lot of Crabs kids were developed by other programs but are listed for having played there in the twilight of youth or HS club. The Stanwicks grew up as Crabs and that is great for Crabs. Paul Rabil's picture in a Crabs uni on the website? Come on...PR played a few Crabs tourneys as a late teen.

Notable MIAA out-of-area games from 2014:
BL - beat Trinity Pawling and Gonzaga (and everyone else for that matter)
St. Paul's - lost to Hill Academy, G'Town Prep and Haverford
Loyola - lost to Haverford, Malvern Prep and St. Joe's Prep
Calvert Hall - lost to Conestoga by 1
Gilman - lost to Haverford by 2
McD - lost to Culver by a couple

Other than BL, the MIAA powerhouses all lost to out-of-area teams. Nothing wrong with that either. I love watching those games, they are a great start to the season. But, it's likely that each MIAA school has at least one player on one of the top-notch local club teams. Each club can run their operations as they see fit. Instead of arguing over different business models, shouldn't each club WANT to work with other local clubs to make Baltimore lacrosse the best it can be?

My kid doesn't play Crabs but loves to play against them. Gets better for doing so. Stop with the silliness and make the players better.

So the 16 2016 kids committed to D1 schools, 12 of which are going to teams ranked in the top 15 is a drop off? And the 7 sophomores committed to JHU, Penn, OSU and Harvard is a drop off? You really think Breakers or FCA rival that? [/quote]

Only Crabs have the gall to list commits that aren't confirmed on their website. Nothing destroys credibility more than lying or lacking discretion. A 2016/17s one the program doesn't confirm or encourage commits listed before junior year, and one other Ivy commit listed is, ehem, not even offered. That Ivy program is recruiting at that position still and is an Ivy ok with public commits. Fools braggary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 16 2016 kids committed to D1 schools, 12 of which are going to teams ranked in the top 15 is a drop off? And the 7 sophomores committed to JHU, Penn, OSU and Harvard is a drop off? You really think Breakers or FCA rival that?

Only Crabs have the gall to list commits that aren't confirmed on their website. Nothing destroys credibility more than lying or lacking discretion. A 2016/17s one the program doesn't confirm or encourage commits listed before junior year, and one other Ivy commit listed is, ehem, not even offered. That Ivy program is recruiting at that position still and is an Ivy ok with public commits. Fools braggary. [/quote]

Someone seems to be out of the loop with regard to Ivy commits to the application process. Of the 7 Ivy programs all but 2 are quietly announcing commits to the process for the 2017 class. Look it up. You can find them.

You are right instead of posting their commits fca and breakers tweet them out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 16 2016 kids committed to D1 schools, 12 of which are going to teams ranked in the top 15 is a drop off? And the 7 sophomores committed to JHU, Penn, OSU and Harvard is a drop off? You really think Breakers or FCA rival that?

Only Crabs have the gall to list commits that aren't confirmed on their website. Nothing destroys credibility more than lying or lacking discretion. A 2016/17s one the program doesn't confirm or encourage commits listed before junior year, and one other Ivy commit listed is, ehem, not even offered. That Ivy program is recruiting at that position still and is an Ivy ok with public commits. Fools braggary.

Yes....exactly. Now go back to the Crabs page for the inaccuracies and on those two programs private and the lying on one that is not private. Yes, someone does need a lesson.

Someone seems to be out of the loop with regard to Ivy commits to the application process. Of the 7 Ivy programs all but 2 are quietly announcing commits to the process for the 2017 class. Look it up. You can find them. [/quote]

Writeup on the FCA, 91, Crabs games from Sunday. http://rising.3dlacrosse.com/3d-rising/crabs-team-91-fca-draw-top-recruiters-johns-hopkins

None of these kids have a guarantee until they are at this time of year senior year and sign an NLI. For Ivy kids where there are no scholarships they don't get admissions letters until the early decision batch goes out in December of senior year. Parents and club people should be less excitable about these kids college verbal plans. It is a nice accomplishment to be recruited and few kids can get that from top programs, so congrats. But for a kid to go all the way through high school as Johnny Doe (UNC commit) or Joey Doe (UVa commit) is pretty silly. How about the kid and parents proudly noting the school they go to now and leave at that? At some level it is just silly for kids to walk around like tyhey are Tarheels or Blue Jays before doign anything on a high school field.

Kids didn't create the system but are playing within it. So, if your kid got committed, you wouldn't be happy? If a coach verbally gave your kid 30% of his tuition in 9th grade, you would think that was silly?

It seems that the kid and his family should be happy and proud and the rest of us are just wishing it was our kid to avoid 2 years of pressure filled sidelines.

Last week at big four, there were literally 20 coaches watching the 2018 games and less than half of that watching the 2017 games.

Let these people brag a little about their kids accomplishments and keep the fact that you think it is silly to yourself...

I agree people will always do what people do. It is always hardest to be happy for someone who has what you want to have. Or what you think you should have. I like that they are taking them early it makes it easier to find your sons spot to play. If it was like football you have to deal with this huge rush in a 12 or 18 month window or less to find the best spot for your son to play.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids didn't create the system but are playing within it. So, if your kid got committed, you wouldn't be happy? If a coach verbally gave your kid 30% of his tuition in 9th grade, you would think that was silly?

It seems that the kid and his family should be happy and proud and the rest of us are just wishing it was our kid to avoid 2 years of pressure filled sidelines.

Last week at big four, there were literally 20 coaches watching the 2018 games and less than half of that watching the 2017 games.

Let these people brag a little about their kids accomplishments and keep the fact that you think it is silly to yourself...

Why is there pressure? These kids literally stop enjoying this sport in 8th grade and it is all the fault of the club guys and pushy parents. The holy grail is a 30% voucher at hopkins. Well, that isn't too impressive. If you need the money the financial aid office would deliver at least that leaving you paying forty grand a year for four years. This is more pathetic than aspiring actors wearing rolexes and driving leased bmws in Hollywood on credit cards. Yeah be happy.

If my son was an early recruit I would be proud to. But I think early recruiting is terrible for the sport. It has lead to the players and their parents putting more of an emphasis on 4th thru 8th grade. The clubs have exploded exploiting this dilemma with parents. I believe this grade base garbage in youth sports is a direct result of this. Along with more parents deciding to hold their child back at a latter grade too. The pressure being put on this kids by their parents and coaches before they are 14 is sheer nonsense and not good for the majority of kids.

Presure is good and the only ones that care about it for more then a hour or two is the parents. 14 and 15 year old boys care about this stuff when they are there but the sec. they get to there phone or home they are back to calling girls and playing video games. Us parents are the ones up at night thinking about it. They are fine. Kids quit when they are not the best anymore not when they have presure on them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Presure is good and the only ones that care about it for more then a hour or two is the parents. 14 and 15 year old boys care about this stuff when they are there but the sec. they get to there phone or home they are back to calling girls and playing video games. Us parents are the ones up at night thinking about it. They are fine. Kids quit when they are not the best anymore not when they have presure on them.

Comment leads me to wonder if you have a 14-15 year old lacrosse player. These kids are absorbed into the lacrosse social media tsunami 24/7. Checking twitter accounts and blogs for who is committed, etc. I've hated this recruiting insanity for my oldest and now his middle school younger brother is starting it earlier and worse than his older brother and his mates. Quite honestly I now wish they chose another sport or activity. Other sports aren't like this.

Well Basketball and Baseball are for sure like this. Football is not like this because there is really no off season full contact teams. Also if your son is thinking about college more then most 14 year olds that is a good thing. And with Lacrosse the best part is they relize you have to have the grades to go to these schools. As a fomer D1AA football player I can tell you all we thought about was getting a 2.0 and a 880 on the SAT. With lacrosse the kids talk about what AP classes are you taking what is your GPA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Presure is good and the only ones that care about it for more then a hour or two is the parents. 14 and 15 year old boys care about this stuff when they are there but the sec. they get to there phone or home they are back to calling girls and playing video games. Us parents are the ones up at night thinking about it. They are fine. Kids quit when they are not the best anymore not when they have presure on them.

Pressure is good for 14 and 15 year ??, I assume you feel that same way for 13 and 12 as that age will lead to being on a good team at 14 and 15. I guess in your world no sense giving them a childhood at all.No wonder the majority of children quit sports at 12-13..To much thinking like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well Basketball and Baseball are for sure like this. Football is not like this because there is really no off season full contact teams. Also if your son is thinking about college more then most 14 year olds that is a good thing. And with Lacrosse the best part is they relize you have to have the grades to go to these schools. As a fomer D1AA football player I can tell you all we thought about was getting a 2.0 and a 880 on the SAT. With lacrosse the kids talk about what AP classes are you taking what is your GPA.

Baseball and Basketball are hardly like Lacrosse now. Neither give letter of intents at 8-9 grade. And many athletes think about grades..not just lax players..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Presure is good and the only ones that care about it for more then a hour or two is the parents. 14 and 15 year old boys care about this stuff when they are there but the sec. they get to there phone or home they are back to calling girls and playing video games. Us parents are the ones up at night thinking about it. They are fine. Kids quit when they are not the best anymore not when they have presure on them.

Pressure is good for 14 and 15 year ??, I assume you feel that same way for 13 and 12 as that age will lead to being on a good team at 14 and 15. I guess in your world no sense giving them a childhood at all.No wonder the majority of children quit sports at 12-13..To much thinking like this.

Amen. Most lacrosse parents did nothing in their day as athletes. Leave be alone. If you kid is not an exceptional athlete there is little you can do to make it so. I agree somewhat with the prior poster about basketball and baseball, but let's all remember that those are different sports. In those sports you have hundreds and hundreds of colleges giving full scholarships and if the kid is gifted enough there is a possibility of a career playing those sports. In lacrosse, neither is the case.

I have been around youth sports for 20 years and the kids do not quit because of presure they quit when they are not the best or they can not handle not being good with out trying.Sports are like life. You have to deal with the hard/ crappy parts to have and be good at the good parts. How many people work with someone that is smart enough to be the boss but they are scared of the presure and spotlight of being the boss. Kids today are blind to the real world in everything they do. The more they can see the real world the better they will be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been around youth sports for 20 years and the kids do not quit because of presure they quit when they are not the best or they can not handle not being good with out trying.Sports are like life. You have to deal with the hard/ crappy parts to have and be good at the good parts. How many people work with someone that is smart enough to be the boss but they are scared of the presure and spotlight of being the boss. Kids today are blind to the real world in everything they do. The more they can see the real world the better they will be.

You have been around sports for 20 years and learned nothing then. Kids love sports. It is the best part of being a kid and the fastest and best way to make lasting friendships for a boy. Outside of the lacrosse myopia are millions of high school kids playing JV sports and playing HS varsity sports for no ambition beyond winning a letter and having a heck of a lot of fun. Can't suit up for the team when you are 40. It crushes me to read people think it is ok that kids take off the helmet for the last time and pick up the remote as an early teen because a sport has been designed to be no fun at all. The elite kids in any sport happen anyways. I played youth hockey with a guy who made the NHL. It was ok for me to play all through high school and love it, and I loved it no less than he did. He was just luckier to be able to play a kids' game longer. Whoever wrote this never did "it". Make All America, do anything great. Nobody who did anything great in a sport and was rewarded would ever write that.

You say that early recuiting makes kids quit the sport they love. And you say they have no fun because there is 8-9 grade kids talking to colleges. How do these two things compare. Kids in the 80s cared about winning and losing the same as kids do today. Just because today they have a large web of teams and ways to bring the better kids together does not mean they have less fun. The only stress is on the parents and there pocket books. If you let this stress get passed down on them thats on you as a parent. But as for the kids they love playing more and playing the best kids the can play.

your a joke

Sorry I started this by suggesting that we all just let the kids that get recruited early (and their parents) brag a little bit and enjoy the moment. Committing to any of the big lax schools is an accomplishment that the kids should be proud of.

Getting 30% to JHU is a big deal as most of the people (not all) reading this with kids playing at this top tier are not going to qualify for aid.

For the guy that thinks he is qualifying for aid, I suggest you go on line and fill out one of those need based calculators, you will be surprised when it says you get nothing...

My kid hasn't committed (but is talking to coaches from 3 schools)and when he looks at the side lines and sees them, I know he feels pressure to perform. Not sure if that pressure is good or bad, only time will tell, but there is certainly pressure.

I think the biggest problem today is that parents indulge their kids emotions rather managing them. If a kid is still developing and doesn't play as much as other kids, it's definitely "old school" for a parent to say you need to work harder, wait your turn, be ready when the time comes and take nothing for granted. Instead, many modern parents "share" their concern and then their kids may "stop having fun" because they (and their parents) expect (them) to be a star and they are not, yet. Anyway, at least at the MS level and where you have a good coach that doesn't forget to make the game fun even as he expects them to work hard, that's my perspective on why kids "burn out."

My kid has committed early --true 2018. I don't really understand why anyone cares other than my family. He got a very good deal at a very strong academic and lax school. We spent two days there and loved the school and the coach.

People have said it is too early--for us it is perfect, for you too early. what if the coach quits? we will meet the new coach and if it is a fit and if that coach wants my son on the same terms we will stay. If not, he will call the other five that wanted him. what if the coach renegs? I guess that can happen and we will deal with it then, but my opinion, and one of the reasons we chose that school, the coach has a stellar reputation and I think he is a good man...

What is the harm to you or anyone if my kid commits early? Your kid doesn't have to, he should just tell coaches (if any are interested) that he will not be ready to make decisions until he is in 11th grade...so why do you care what/when my son commits? I suspect that more often than not, the people who complain are the one's staying up the night after a prospect day or fall tourney waiting for that call from the club, but it just hasn't come yet...

For all of you that fall in that camp, I really wish you good luck and hope you get the call. It is exciting!

I have never been a D-1 athlete so I have no experience to compare. While we are proud of my son, I have others that also aren't athletically gifted but excell in other things. Let your kid choose his passion and he/she will succeed. Choose it for them and they will quit/fail...

early recruiting is good for my family but that doesn't mean it is good for yours.

some ms coaches don't see it and then preach this exactly but they are the ones that are wharped about their on kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid has committed early --true 2018. I don't really understand why anyone cares other than my family. He got a very good deal at a very strong academic and lax school. We spent two days there and loved the school and the coach.

People have said it is too early--for us it is perfect, for you too early. what if the coach quits? we will meet the new coach and if it is a fit and if that coach wants my son on the same terms we will stay. If not, he will call the other five that wanted him. what if the coach renegs? I guess that can happen and we will deal with it then, but my opinion, and one of the reasons we chose that school, the coach has a stellar reputation and I think he is a good man...

What is the harm to you or anyone if my kid commits early? Your kid doesn't have to, he should just tell coaches (if any are interested) that he will not be ready to make decisions until he is in 11th grade...so why do you care what/when my son commits? I suspect that more often than not, the people who complain are the one's staying up the night after a prospect day or fall tourney waiting for that call from the club, but it just hasn't come yet...

For all of you that fall in that camp, I really wish you good luck and hope you get the call. It is exciting!

I have never been a D-1 athlete so I have no experience to compare. While we are proud of my son, I have others that also aren't athletically gifted but excell in other things. Let your kid choose his passion and he/she will succeed. Choose it for them and they will quit/fail...

early recruiting is good for my family but that doesn't mean it is good for yours.

VERY WELL SAID,
My son is a 2018 too.
He is just not ready yet and we are slowing the process down.
He likes some schools that wait a little longer to commit kids.

Several schools interested-NO PRESUURE.
We are going to take our time.

But it IS FUN!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the biggest problem today is that parents indulge their kids emotions rather managing them. If a kid is still developing and doesn't play as much as other kids, it's definitely "old school" for a parent to say you need to work harder, wait your turn, be ready when the time comes and take nothing for granted. Instead, many modern parents "share" their concern and then their kids may "stop having fun" because they (and their parents) expect (them) to be a star and they are not, yet. Anyway, at least at the MS level and where you have a good coach that doesn't forget to make the game fun even as he expects them to work hard, that's my perspective on why kids "burn out."

I like your perspective. I am a coach for my sons (3) teams, and I don't favor any kids, including my own. They have to earn their time on the field as they get older. At the younger ages, all kids should play as evenly as possible and in multiple positions.
But all along the way, there will always be kids that are better: better stick skills, field sense, stronger, faster, etc.
Athletics can parallel life in general. You might not be as fast, as strong, etc, but if you work hard you will always compete.
Keeping it fun for the kids is the main thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid has committed early --true 2018. I don't really understand why anyone cares other than my family. He got a very good deal at a very strong academic and lax school. We spent two days there and loved the school and the coach.

People have said it is too early--for us it is perfect, for you too early. what if the coach quits? we will meet the new coach and if it is a fit and if that coach wants my son on the same terms we will stay. If not, he will call the other five that wanted him. what if the coach renegs? I guess that can happen and we will deal with it then, but my opinion, and one of the reasons we chose that school, the coach has a stellar reputation and I think he is a good man...

What is the harm to you or anyone if my kid commits early? Your kid doesn't have to, he should just tell coaches (if any are interested) that he will not be ready to make decisions until he is in 11th grade...so why do you care what/when my son commits? I suspect that more often than not, the people who complain are the one's staying up the night after a prospect day or fall tourney waiting for that call from the club, but it just hasn't come yet...

For all of you that fall in that camp, I really wish you good luck and hope you get the call. It is exciting!

I have never been a D-1 athlete so I have no experience to compare. While we are proud of my son, I have others that also aren't athletically gifted but excell in other things. Let your kid choose his passion and he/she will succeed. Choose it for them and they will quit/fail...

early recruiting is good for my family but that doesn't mean it is good for yours.

It may be good for you and I would be a happy person in your shoes.
But early recruiting is changing lacrosse. I dont think it is for the better . Explosion of clubs in Baltimore will destroy rec travel lax here in Baltimore in the next few years. Only club teams will have decent teams. Look at soccer in Balt. Only club soccer is any good. I will be surprised if there is even a MYLA in three years. Early recruiting cant be the only blame but it has facilitated it. Another result is having your child held back . Without being on a club in 4th -8thgrade the lax parents know Johnny hasnt a shot at a scholarship or getting into his school of choice. So it maybe good for you and 100 families but all of lacrosse suffers from this early recruiting.

I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.

The biggest difference is that you now are paying for field rentals that the county or town used to provide. (As well as for 4 tournaments that the coaches' travel expenses)

That is a really deflating fact.

Fca 2020 hasn't won any A tournaments. The only won they won was a B tournament last year. Check your facts. There are many 2020 teams better than them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca 2020 hasn't won any A tournaments. The only won they won was a B tournament last year. Check your facts. There are many 2020 teams better than them.

That likely changes on Sunday.

We monitor our kids' email and he received a link to some Casey Vock "preview fl$ in 3d" video. Starts by stating how pumped Casey, whoever that may be, is pumped to see the 2015s on down to the 2020s who will be showcasing in front of college coaches this weekend. The the kids who have an email in the system received this from our club's coach.

Our son is 12. He is in 7th grade. In his free time he likes to play video games, play dominoes for Skittles with his friends. He's a pretty good lacrosse player on a decent team but not looking like an obvious new Steele Stanwick. He doesn't clean his room unless asked and picks his nose, and he still thinks lacrosse is fun. Normal I would say.

WHAT THE F&CK IS WRONG WITH THIS SPORT BESIDES EVERYTHING NOW? 2020s will be playing at a tournament where college coaches are? Really? Now, I know they won't be trolling the 7th grade sidelines but that is a bit off point. Lacrosse organizations, events guys, club owners and the other adults have made this sport an absolute cesspool of monkey urine. Thanks a lot guys for cheapening it for the 12 year olds who pick their noses and ask about what is on their pizza after the game.

highly doubt it. that team is weak without the older kids coming down and that won't matter much

[quote=Anonymous]We monitor our kids' email and he received a link to some Casey Vock "preview fl$ in 3d" video. Starts by stating how pumped Casey, whoever that may be, is pumped to see the 2015s on down to the 2020s who will be showcasing in front of college coaches this weekend. The the kids who have an email in the system received this from our club's coach.

Our son is 12. He is in 7th grade. In his free time he likes to play video games, play dominoes for Skittles with his friends. He's a pretty good lacrosse player on a decent team but not looking like an obvious new Steele Stanwick. He doesn't clean his room unless asked and picks his nose, and he still thinks lacrosse is fun. Normal I would say.

WHAT THE F&CK IS WRONG WITH THIS SPORT BESIDES EVERYTHING NOW? 2020s will be playing at a tournament where college coaches are? Really? Now, I know they won't be trolling the 7th grade sidelines but that is a bit off point. Lacrosse organizations, events guys, club owners and the other adults have made this sport an absolute cesspool of monkey urine. Thanks a lot guys for cheapening it for the 12 year olds who pick their noses and ask about what is on their pizza after the game. [/quote

12 in 7th grade??
RE CLASS HIM!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.

Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners.

That is funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.

Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners.

not sure club owners make a killing unless they also run tournaments -- madlax, Hogan, crabs. Events are were the money is

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]We monitor our kids' email and he received a link to some Casey Vock "preview fl$ in 3d" video. Starts by stating how pumped Casey, whoever that may be, is pumped to see the 2015s on down to the 2020s who will be showcasing in front of college coaches this weekend. The the kids who have an email in the system received this from our club's coach.

Our son is 12. He is in 7th grade. In his free time he likes to play video games, play dominoes for Skittles with his friends. He's a pretty good lacrosse player on a decent team but not looking like an obvious new Steele Stanwick. He doesn't clean his room unless asked and picks his nose, and he still thinks lacrosse is fun. Normal I would say.

WHAT THE F&CK IS WRONG WITH THIS SPORT BESIDES EVERYTHING NOW? 2020s will be playing at a tournament where college coaches are? Really? Now, I know they won't be trolling the 7th grade sidelines but that is a bit off point. Lacrosse organizations, events guys, club owners and the other adults have made this sport an absolute cesspool of monkey urine. Thanks a lot guys for cheapening it for the 12 year olds who pick their noses and ask about what is on their pizza after the game. [/quote

12 in 7th grade??
RE CLASS HIM!!!!

12 yr old...he must be the child of one of the Crab 2017 players!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.

Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners.

The heart of the 3rd - 8th grade club teams now is the spring club leagues which does not leave time for High School or College coaches to work with the kids when it matters the most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.

Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners. [/quote

In Balt area stupid MYLA hooking up with Howard County Recreation and starting the grade base club league two years ago has lead youth lacrosse to this. No reason their league wasnt age base. Crabs and a couple other clubs were salivating to go grade base for a couple of reasons( accommodate MIAA holdbacks, early recruiting, etc) and Howard County Rec Club league was the light to the fuze. Howard County Rec should hold a special place in the hall of shame for Balt youth lacrosse. NPYLL followed suit within a year to keep up. In less than two years all Club teams are grade base and stupid MYLA is going the way of dodo bird for mid to top level competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.

Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners.

not sure club owners make a killing unless they also run tournaments -- madlax, Hogan, crabs. Events are were the money is

Several of the clubs run and own the tournaments.. Is there any YOUTH U15 and below that is not owned by a club team in Balt/Wash area ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]We monitor our kids' email and he received a link to some Casey Vock "preview fl$ in 3d" video. Starts by stating how pumped Casey, whoever that may be, is pumped to see the 2015s on down to the 2020s who will be showcasing in front of college coaches this weekend. The the kids who have an email in the system received this from our club's coach.

Our son is 12. He is in 7th grade. In his free time he likes to play video games, play dominoes for Skittles with his friends. He's a pretty good lacrosse player on a decent team but not looking like an obvious new Steele Stanwick. He doesn't clean his room unless asked and picks his nose, and he still thinks lacrosse is fun. Normal I would say.

WHAT THE F&CK IS WRONG WITH THIS SPORT BESIDES EVERYTHING NOW? 2020s will be playing at a tournament where college coaches are? Really? Now, I know they won't be trolling the 7th grade sidelines but that is a bit off point. Lacrosse organizations, events guys, club owners and the other adults have made this sport an absolute cesspool of monkey urine. Thanks a lot guys for cheapening it for the 12 year olds who pick their noses and ask about what is on their pizza after the game. [/quote

12 in 7th grade??
RE CLASS HIM!!!!

12 yr old...he must be the child of one of the Crab 2017 players!

He is but lets tell the rest of story..the child is only in 1st grade and has a big time commitment to Hopkins.

Soccer started this with club. So did aau basketball. Club lax is refreshing because the rec politics don't exist unless you play for a club that consists of the same kids that were in the same rec. maturation of the sport. This is a good thing for md. Enjoy it.

same kids-same daddy coaches at club. Look it up. Its all over in Baltimore. The coddling of their kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Soccer started this with club. So did aau basketball. Club lax is refreshing because the rec politics don't exist unless you play for a club that consists of the same kids that were in the same rec. maturation of the sport. This is a good thing for md. Enjoy it.

It is good for the better players and the 100-200 players that are going on to play at a high level. The 1000 others who are are rec players are chasing a dream at a high price. Clubs have a place in sports but not dominating youth level sports. And very few clubs don't have politics involved in some way. With more clubs this will only increase.

This weekend was much better for the Crabs at the Autumn Classic.

Annapolis Hawks 3-1-0 75%
Freedom 3-1-0 75%
Legacy Taz 3-1-0 75%
Edge 22-7-1 73%
VLC 14-5-1 70%
Crabs 25-9-2 69%
Bethesda 7-3-1 63%
Sentry 4-2-1 57%
Breakers 12-10-2 50%
Thunder 2-2-0 50%
Looneys 7-7-1 46%
FCA 3-3-1 42%
Mesa Fresh 2-2-1 40%
Madlax 7-12-0 36%
Leading Edge 4-7-1 33%
Bulldogs 2-4-0 33%
Phillie Elite 2-4-0 33%
LWLC 1-2-0 33%
MLC 1-2-0 33%
St. Francis Xavier 1-2-0 33%
C2C 8-18-1 29%
Apex 3-8-2 23%
MDX 3-12-1 18%
Cape Kings 0-3-0 0%
Deep Dish 0-6-0 0%
Koopers 0-3-0 0%
LI Outlaws 0-3-0 0%

Played Legacy Taz 1-1 50%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This weekend was much better for the Crabs at the Autumn Classic.

Annapolis Hawks 3-1-0 75%
Freedom 3-1-0 75%
Legacy Taz 3-1-0 75%
Edge 22-7-1 73%
VLC 14-5-1 70%
Crabs 25-9-2 69%
Bethesda 7-3-1 63%
Sentry 4-2-1 57%
Breakers 12-10-2 50%
Thunder 2-2-0 50%
Looneys 7-7-1 46%
FCA 3-3-1 42%
Mesa Fresh 2-2-1 40%
Madlax 7-12-0 36%
Leading Edge 4-7-1 33%
Bulldogs 2-4-0 33%
Phillie Elite 2-4-0 33%
LWLC 1-2-0 33%
MLC 1-2-0 33%
St. Francis Xavier 1-2-0 33%
C2C 8-18-1 29%
Apex 3-8-2 23%
MDX 3-12-1 18%
Cape Kings 0-3-0 0%
Deep Dish 0-6-0 0%
Koopers 0-3-0 0%
LI Outlaws 0-3-0 0%

The VLC stats are overblown they have not placed a team in the A bracket all fall from U15 and down. So they are playing there top team in B div. all year.

Tough weekend for 2020 crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The VLC stats are overblown they have not placed a team in the A bracket all fall from U15 and down. So they are playing there top team in B div. all year.

.

And winning the Autumn Classic event for HS teams is a joke. It is incredible how watered down Crabs / Aloha events are. The best 2016s and 2017s were at Philly or fl$ in 3d and so were most of the top coaches. Crabs / Aloha can't get the best LI or other Tri State teams, West Coast Starz, Denver Elite or the top Philly teams to even bother to come anymore. Let's face it, intramural Crabs tournaments are inches away from being the new Hogan Fall Brawl. Did they hand out trophies and t-shirts too for pretty pictures?

Total joke.

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tough weekend for 2020 crabs

You're right. They should be totally ashamed of themselves for losing by a goal in the finals. Those 7th graders should no that is totally unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

Curious as to why the 2020s received a bye in the first round of the playoffs resulting in the other division winners having to play an extra game while the crabs rested.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2016s - excellent
2017s - excellent
2018s - excellent

Get a life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

Any reclass or holdbacks on 2018?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

Any reclass or holdbacks on 2018?

only a few.

Who did well in 19s ?

Who played edge who won.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2016s - excellent
2017s - excellent
2018s - excellent

Get a life

Maybe they are winners in your hearts, because they can't win real tournaments. Autumn Classic was the leftovers after Philly and 3d last weekend. Thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The VLC stats are overblown they have not placed a team in the A bracket all fall from U15 and down. So they are playing there top team in B div. all year.

.

And winning the Autumn Classic event for HS teams is a joke. It is incredible how watered down Crabs / Aloha events are. The best 2016s and 2017s were at Philly or fl$ in 3d and so were most of the top coaches. Crabs / Aloha can't get the best LI or other Tri State teams, West Coast Starz, Denver Elite or the top Philly teams to even bother to come anymore. Let's face it, intramural Crabs tournaments are inches away from being the new Hogan Fall Brawl. Did they hand out trophies and t-shirts too for pretty pictures?

Total joke.

Fall Brawl actually had quite a bit of talent this year. Several top Npyll & HoCo teams, Team 91, Canadian clubs,MN clubs etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.

What teams are playing in the Baltimore Invitational this coming weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2016s - excellent
2017s - excellent
2018s - excellent

Get a life

Maybe they are winners in your hearts, because they can't win real tournaments. Autumn Classic was the leftovers after Philly and 3d last weekend. Thanks for playing.

Why obsess over other programs? Worry about your own son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams are playing in the Baltimore Invitational this coming weekend?

And more important-"What coaches are comimng?"
THANK YOU

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.

You people are idiots. Crabs 2017 wasn't even at the Autumn Classic. They were however at the Dukes HHH Big Four last week and of course will be at the Baltimore Invitational this week. The 2018s played at a recruiting event at JHU against Team 91 and FCA last weekend. Maybe, Ryan just has better coneections and can get the teams into these smaller showcases. Just because they aren't at a tournament does not mean that the boys aren't being seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.

I guess you did not hear about the "INVITE ONLY" at Hopkins last Sunday.

ONLY 3 teams-13 D1 college Coaches.
They only had to watch 3 games.

CRABS, TEAM 91, FCA.

Thats it....

Just all those schools and our 3 teams.
Have your kid work harder.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.

And LI Express and Dukes are coming to Crabs invite this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.

You people are idiots. Crabs 2017 wasn't even at the Autumn Classic. They were however at the Dukes HHH Big Four last week and of course will be at the Baltimore Invitational this week. The 2018s played at a recruiting event at JHU against Team 91 and FCA last weekend. Maybe, Ryan just has better coneections and can get the teams into these smaller showcases. Just because they aren't at a tournament does not mean that the boys aren't being seen.

Thanks Ryan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.

You people are idiots. Crabs 2017 wasn't even at the Autumn Classic. They were however at the Dukes HHH Big Four last week and of course will be at the Baltimore Invitational this week. The 2018s played at a recruiting event at JHU against Team 91 and FCA last weekend. Maybe, Ryan just has better coneections and can get the teams into these smaller showcases. Just because they aren't at a tournament does not mean that the boys aren't being seen.

Although you are correct about the Crabs getting plenty of exposure, Crabs 2017 WAS at the Famous Autumn Classic.

It was a combined 2016 and 2017 team playing in the 2016 division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.

You people are idiots. Crabs 2017 wasn't even at the Autumn Classic. They were however at the Dukes HHH Big Four last week and of course will be at the Baltimore Invitational this week. The 2018s played at a recruiting event at JHU against Team 91 and FCA last weekend. Maybe, Ryan just has better coneections and can get the teams into these smaller showcases. Just because they aren't at a tournament does not mean that the boys aren't being seen.

Although you are correct about the Crabs getting plenty of exposure, Crabs 2017 WAS at the Famous Autumn Classic.

It was a combined 2016 and 2017 team playing in the 2016 division.

Sounds like the better 2017s were at JHU....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.

2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....

So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.

And LI Express and Dukes are coming to Crabs invite this weekend

Any other teams? Any idea what college will send coaches? If any? Philly Freshman is the same weekend

LI Express will be sending it's lame team (not the Turtles) and Dukes will be sending their B teams. Onondaga Community College, Lynn University, Cabrini College and Slippery Rock College will all be in the house for the Crabs invite. Nine more will make 13, and that would be really great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express will be sending it's lame team (not the Turtles) and Dukes will be sending their B teams. Onondaga Community College, Lynn University, Cabrini College and Slippery Rock College will all be in the house for the Crabs invite. Nine more will make 13, and that would be really great.

Your a [lacrosse]....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express will be sending it's lame team (not the Turtles) and Dukes will be sending their B teams. Onondaga Community College, Lynn University, Cabrini College and Slippery Rock College will all be in the house for the Crabs invite. Nine more will make 13, and that would be really great.

Your a [lacrosse]....

I think you mean "you're" and no, that was awesome!

LI Express and Dukes are bringing 2018 teams to the B'more Invite for 2017 division and another slot is filled in with a Crabs 2018 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express and Dukes are bringing 2018 teams to the B'more Invite for 2017 division and another slot is filled in with a Crabs 2018 team.

Looks like a nice group of teams.
Are they expecting many college coaches?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express and Dukes are bringing 2018 teams to the B'more Invite for 2017 division and another slot is filled in with a Crabs 2018 team.

Looks like a nice group of teams.
Are they expecting many college coaches?

Thanks.

Have no idea. We'll have to wait to find out. Some tournaments post colleges that will be attending, but this one does not.

Are the younger Crabs teams playing in NPYLL or Hoco this spring? I had heard NPYLL was going grade based this year. Is this true?

Ty Xanders posted write-up for Autumn Classic on his site. Looks like some decent games in the finals other then 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express and Dukes are bringing 2018 teams to the B'more Invite for 2017 division and another slot is filled in with a Crabs 2018 team.

Which Green Turtle team is playing in the 2017/18 Division?

What was the result of the 2020 games vs Legacy LI in MD?

Played 2 times each team won one game. Great competition

Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.

Not the dreaded "we were missing players" excuse...COME ON! You can do better then that....

You are the CRABS you should be able to be missing a couple players and still win. Your backups are other teams starters. Correct?

They were busy playing at the 2019 game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.

Not the dreaded "we were missing players" excuse...COME ON! You can do better then that....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.

Won big? I heard it was by 4 on some BS goals. Just want to be clear and get fact not opinion. Anyone know what really happened?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the CRABS you should be able to be missing a couple players and still win. Your backups are other teams starters. Correct?

Crabs don't turn into THE CRABS until 8th grade, when they get reclassers. Before then, they are only 1 year older. Give the 2020's another year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.

Won big? I heard it was by 4 on some BS goals. Just want to be clear and get fact not opinion. Anyone know what really happened?

Crabs always win big and lose to missing players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.

Won big? I heard it was by 4 on some BS goals. Just want to be clear and get fact not opinion. Anyone know what really happened?

Crabs won 9-4, 40 minute running time game.

How did B'More Invite go today? What college coaches were there? How did teams do?

2018's beat LI Express 6-5.
Beat Dukes 12-4

Carolina, Denver , Michigan, Princeton,

Stop w this Crabs stuff witnessed their 2020 team at Beach lax last year go down Big to the Team 91 Crush and elected to take the ball instead of facing off. If you are "the crabs" that shouldn't happen. 91 beat us in the semis and at leas we faced off the entire game. I'd rather my son lose to that team the way we did

Gtown, nova, denver, Hopkins, Michigan too

Most teams take the ball against 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018's beat LI Express 6-5.
Beat Dukes 12-4

Carolina, Denver , Michigan, Princeton,

Terps always happy to play crabs, another great game...terps beat dukes and green turtles..also saw Villanova, Georgetown, JH, Michigan and a few others...and of course TY x

Happened to be at both crab sites this weekend and thought it was a great tournament. Saw plenty of coaches at both. Thought that it was run very well, good competition, good officiating, good fields, and well organized. People can say what they want about the crabs but they do know how to host a tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018's beat LI Express 6-5.
Beat Dukes 12-4

Carolina, Denver , Michigan, Princeton,

Terps always happy to play crabs, another great game...terps beat dukes and green turtles..also saw Villanova, Georgetown, JH, Michigan and a few others...and of course TY x [/quote

And the Crabs enjoy playing You.
A lot of respect and games are always close.]

Anyone know anything about this Maryland lacrosse showcase in July 2015? Is it any good? Many coaches? Who runs it?

Terrible event, run by Div III coach, gets a few Div III coaches to attend. I didn't go but a few of my teammates went last summer and said it was a waste of time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terrible event, run by Div III coach, gets a few Div III coaches to attend. I didn't go but a few of my teammates went last summer and said it was a waste of time

question: do most of your teammates/friends come on here to view what parents are saying? And do you guys think we're all nuts?

yes and yes

So Crabs is going to be the first lacrosse club sponsored by Nike. Wonder what this will entail

Will the Crabs have to pay for the equipment? If they don't,does it go against NCAA Rules,when they ask if they have been sponsored to play? Just curios.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the Crabs have to pay for the equipment? If they don't,does it go against NCAA Rules,when they ask if they have been sponsored to play? Just curios.

AAU basketball teams are all sponsored by Nike, UA, etc. Assume it's not against the rules, but don't know what they are allowed to get and not. Think the basketball teams get shoes, but maybe they say they are included in the dues to get around the rules.

AAU basketball teams get free gear from shoe companies. Not an issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAU basketball teams get free gear from shoe companies. Not an issue.

Crabs I believe is also a non-profit. To the extent the club did a deal with Nike for free gear, that is wonderful for the families at Crabs and smart business for Crabs.

Does the freckled little brother VLC get the goodies too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Crabs is going to be the first lacrosse club sponsored by Nike. Wonder what this will entail

Lots of Nike t shirts that have "Crab Nation" printed on them. Flippin sweet!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Crabs is going to be the first lacrosse club sponsored by Nike. Wonder what this will entail

Don't all major clubs sign deals with suppliers? What makes this different than al the others?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Crabs is going to be the first lacrosse club sponsored by Nike. Wonder what this will entail

Don't all major clubs sign deals with suppliers? What makes this different than al the others?

Crabs will be the first club in the country sponsored by the Nike's, Under Armour's of the world. Not sure what suppliers you are talking about but having 1Lacrosse make your shirts for you is not the same thing.

Crabs are a better investment for Nike than any HS program including any of the MIAA programs. Crabs are an elite club that have a national recognition on the club scene, and Nike gets good will and nice exposure from HS down to U-11. This is a great deal for Nike because Crabs are a strong brand in the lacrosse world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are a better investment for Nike than any HS program including any of the MIAA programs. Crabs are an elite club that have a national recognition on the club scene, and Nike gets good will and nice exposure from HS down to U-11. This is a great deal for Nike because Crabs are a strong brand in the lacrosse world.

Yeah, all the stuff that really matters to improving as a player. Also lets be HONEST. With so many of the more talented older high school aged kids now not even considering playing with the Crabs, (last good team was 2015 team), you need a draw for the younger players somehow. Everyone knows the real way to a young lax players heart is thru the gear! Most top clubs try to woo players and families with better coaching and player development programs, only the select few do it with gear. The new lax world. All fluff and no substance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are a better investment for Nike than any HS program including any of the MIAA programs. Crabs are an elite club that have a national recognition on the club scene, and Nike gets good will and nice exposure from HS down to U-11. This is a great deal for Nike because Crabs are a strong brand in the lacrosse world.

So the Crabs don't have to pay anything for their Nike/Stx gear?

Or did they just get a slightly better cost than many other clubs?

I don't think we will be seeing them in a Just Do It ad any time soon.

If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.

Maybe because their new website crabslax.com will be launching soon. Any other stupid questions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.

Maybe because their new website crabslax.com will be launching soon. Any other stupid questions?

Ok Ryan, calm down. Thanks for giving the push to have youth grade base teams in Balt. You exemplify everything that is wrong in youth sports by letting children play down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.

Maybe because their new website crabslax.com will be launching soon. Any other stupid questions?

Ok Ryan, calm down. Thanks for giving the push to have youth grade base teams in Balt. You exemplify everything that is wrong in youth sports by letting children play down.

Right. Ryan is the one pushing it. Don't mention that the girls teams have been grade based for years. Why do you think this is?? Couldn't be because the college coaches want it that way could it? This whole argument is stupid. My kids are on age. The older kids make mine work harder. In most cases it's the matter of a few months older. It's just an excuse. My kids go to BL while they had a 6th grade team, some of the other privates did not have age based teams. Therefore, they had to play against a lot of 8th graders. It certainly wasn't bad for them. Get over it.

That is misleading. Girls club lacrosse barely existed until 3-4 years ago, so when you mention that girls teams have been grade based for years that is correct. Most girls's lacrosse was school only and there was no club paradigm to point to.

Anyone know the details of the Crabs Nike deal from a parent or insider view? Is the stuff free, or is this a me too deal like the ones Warrior and Under Armour have been doing for club lacrosse teams for years. Those deals are get the stuff at wholesale and kick in some freebies for the coaches. Trilogy, LB3 and many other clubs have already done this, and if it is a discount deal expect there will be other regional Nike club lacrosse deals coming soon. If the Crabs deal really is a freebie for the teams like a college swag deal, that would be a really sweet Crabs deal. It is also good advertising for Nike to build consumer loyalty and also to take a tax write off to donate gear to a non-profit club team like Crabs.

NSLCA now being run by Corrigan Sports?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NSLCA now being run by Corrigan Sports?

Good news for the Rough Riders.

I think Corrigan is just overseeing the tournaments, like they do for Gait, Under Armour, Stx, etc.

What is the difference between overseeing a tournament and running it? I didn't get the impression last year that the UA underclass tryouts had anything to do with UA save for the t-shirt for registering. Corrigan totally runs that and I think of it as a Corrigan event.

You may want to check the 2016 and 2017 Crab Teams

Nike deal is real for Crabs. Free stuff in return for wearing/using their gear everywhere.......UA wanted it, Nike stepped up first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the difference between overseeing a tournament and running it? I didn't get the impression last year that the UA underclass tryouts had anything to do with UA save for the t-shirt for registering. Corrigan totally runs that and I think of it as a Corrigan event.

"NSCLA MISSION - NON-PROFIT DEDICATED TO THE LACROSSE COMMUNITY
Our mission is to provide a cooperative platform of scholastic age club lacrosse teams to engage in an elite level, spirited competition. It is our vision that this cooperation and association will help assure the quality of lacrosse tournaments in the US and Canada, while maintaining the highest level of play for our athletes."

According to their website they are currently sponsoring only two tournaments in 2015.

WARRIOR NSCLA NATIONAL CUP - contact lacrosse@corrigansports.com (roughriders)

WARRIOR NSCLA SELECT SHOWCASE - contact
crabslax@gmail.com (crabs)

FYI-
Ryan McClernan - NSCLA President - rdmcclernan@verizon.net

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You may want to check the 2016 and 2017 Crab Teams

For what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nike deal is real for Crabs. Free stuff in return for wearing/using their gear everywhere.......UA wanted it, Nike stepped up first.

That is a real downer for UA as a home city company and also for Adrenaline which is run by ex-Crabs guys. Free stuff meaning free unis, or free stuff meaning free equipment and shoes too?

Who cares about Nike.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about Nike.

Nike = Stx?

Is Philly the new King of lacrosse?
Dukes commits like crazy

And the best tourneys???

I think Philly is just the best place on a map. The sport is not huge below NoVa yet, So Philly is just the right Drive for people to go North and South to get there for Tournaments. As for the players signing from there its the "eyes on " theory. If there is a couple studs that get the eyes looking the ones around the studs look better and benefit from being seen. This is why we all pay the money to play for the best teams. Because everyone knows the best players are not always who get the spots.

Ty Xanders
‏@Ty
A first for club ball: @CrabsLacrosse and @NikeLacrosse have finalized a deal for uniforms, apparel and equipment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think Philly is just the best place on a map. The sport is not huge below NoVa yet, So Philly is just the right Drive for people to go North and South to get there for Tournaments. As for the players signing from there its the "eyes on " theory. If there is a couple studs that get the eyes looking the ones around the studs look better and benefit from being seen. This is why we all pay the money to play for the best teams. Because everyone knows the best players are not always who get the spots.

They may play the game well, but the support hasn't been there recently. They just lost the Wings and the Barrage left a while ago. The attendance at the MLL and NCAA championships 2 years ago was disappointing as well. How well do Villanova, St. joes, Drexell, and Penn draw?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.

Maybe because their new website crabslax.com will be launching soon. Any other stupid questions?

Ok Ryan, calm down. Thanks for giving the push to have youth grade base teams in Balt. You exemplify everything that is wrong in youth sports by letting children play down.

Right. Ryan is the one pushing it. Don't mention that the girls teams have been grade based for years. Why do you think this is?? Couldn't be because the college coaches want it that way could it? This whole argument is stupid. My kids are on age. The older kids make mine work harder. In most cases it's the matter of a few months older. It's just an excuse. My kids go to BL while they had a 6th grade team, some of the other privates did not have age based teams. Therefore, they had to play against a lot of 8th graders. It certainly wasn't bad for them. Get over it.

You are full of it. College coaches aren't looking at 9,10,11,12,13,14 year olds. That is where youth lacrosse is. Grade base belongs at school teams and HS age based teams not youth under 15. The whole world doesnt revolve around the MIAA schools and all their precious holdbacks. And your idol Ryan was one of the biggest proponents of turning club YOUTH lacrosse into grade base teams. Crabs have the largest amount of holdbacks on their teams bar none. Anybody besides holdback teams,parents,coaches and their apologists like you know it is wrong at the youth level.

Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.

AMEN!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.

You are a apologist for cheating. This is not the way the game is supposed to be played. Ever heard of fairplay in youth sports? Letting select kids play down due to being held back at youth level is cheating. Holdbacks and reclassing kids has been going on in Maryland for more than the last two years. But some reason now it is needed. Crabs and all the other teams did fine for years without cheating at youth level. But now the apologists like you make up many reasons why we need it, coaches want it, Hawks do it, my kids can handle it, go somewhere else, etc,etc...In your book morals arent needed, just results..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.

You are a apologist for cheating. This is not the way the game is supposed to be played. Ever heard of fairplay in youth sports? Letting select kids play down due to being held back at youth level is cheating. Holdbacks and reclassing kids has been going on in Maryland for more than the last two years. But some reason now it is needed. Crabs and all the other teams did fine for years without cheating at youth level. But now the apologists like you make up many reasons why we need it, coaches want it, Hawks do it, my kids can handle it, go somewhere else, etc,etc...In your book morals arent needed, just results..

So you tell me. Where should these kids play club lacrosse? Do you think if a holdback 8th grader went to Breakers or FCA they would be told they need to play up on the 9th grade team? Of course not. Crabs isn't allowing these kids to repeat grades or go to prefirst. The schools allow it and in the case of prefirst, promote it for kids with spring/summer birthdays. So Crabs needs to be the ones to stand up and say "No!!! We aren't taking these kids because they went to prefirst and they should be a grade higher." Get real. The fact is these kids want to play for crabs. If they all wanted to play for Breakers this conversation would be on their thread.

Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.

[Yes, that thread that no one pays attention to (Breakers or Looney's or FCA(that's right they don't have a thread).. Well written and thought out. March on Crab Nation]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.

You are a apologist for cheating. This is not the way the game is supposed to be played. Ever heard of fairplay in youth sports? Letting select kids play down due to being held back at youth level is cheating. Holdbacks and reclassing kids has been going on in Maryland for more than the last two years. But some reason now it is needed. Crabs and all the other teams did fine for years without cheating at youth level. But now the apologists like you make up many reasons why we need it, coaches want it, Hawks do it, my kids can handle it, go somewhere else, etc,etc...In your book morals arent needed, just results..

So you tell me. Where should these kids play club lacrosse? Do you think if a holdback 8th grader went to Breakers or FCA they would be told they need to play up on the 9th grade team? Of course not. Crabs isn't allowing these kids to repeat grades or go to prefirst. The schools allow it and in the case of prefirst, promote it for kids with spring/summer birthdays. So Crabs needs to be the ones to stand up and say "No!!! We aren't taking these kids because they went to prefirst and they should be a grade higher." Get real. The fact is these kids want to play for crabs. If they all wanted to play for Breakers this conversation would be on their thread. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.

I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air

Actually, college coaches do want it this way so that they know that everyone on the field is a 9th grader(for example). Girl's clubs have been setup this way for years for this reason.

My question is, why is Crabs made out to be the bad guys in this? People say they have the most holdbacks, but why is that? Is it because Crabs is the only club that allows them to play with their grade, or is it because the kids want to play for Crabs? You know what the answer to that is. This is why it comes off as complaining and whining. It's not cheating if that's the way the system is built. It's not like the other clubs don't have as many holdbacks because they chose not to. It's because Crabs gets first pick in most cases and those that don't make it go someplace else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.

I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air

Thats the point. Tournaments are going 2019,2020,2021,2022 brackets to accommodate the grade based teams. It could have been U9,U10,U11,U12,U13, etc . Pretty simple and straightforward. Maryland Lacrosse at the youth club level is wrong, plain and simple. Club Soccer has a pretty simple concept in the Maryland . U8, U9,U10,U11, etc..with cards, Somehow this seems to work with the MIAA holdbacks . They all play where their age is,, not grade. The HS school teams(very good) and recruiters don't seem to have a problem, but somehow youth lacrosse needs grade base teams according to the apologists . This is mainly a private school thing that has taken over all club lacrosse to accommodate all these holdbacks that attend them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.

I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air

Thats the point. Tournaments are going 2019,2020,2021,2022 brackets to accommodate the grade based teams. It could have been U9,U10,U11,U12,U13, etc . Pretty simple and straightforward. Maryland Lacrosse at the youth club level is wrong, plain and simple. Club Soccer has a pretty simple concept in the Maryland . U8, U9,U10,U11, etc..with cards, Somehow this seems to work with the MIAA holdbacks . They all play where their age is,, not grade. The HS school teams(very good) and recruiters don't seem to have a problem, but somehow youth lacrosse needs grade base teams according to the apologists . This is mainly a private school thing that has taken over all club lacrosse to accommodate all these holdbacks that attend them.

So many complaints about grade based tournaments. Why don't all of the people that don't want to play in grade based tournaments just set up their own????? Most of the tournaments out there today did not exist even 2 years ago. Feel free, go set your own age based tournament with your rules and accept the teams you want to play!!!!! Simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.

I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air

Thats the point. Tournaments are going 2019,2020,2021,2022 brackets to accommodate the grade based teams. It could have been U9,U10,U11,U12,U13, etc . Pretty simple and straightforward. Maryland Lacrosse at the youth club level is wrong, plain and simple. Club Soccer has a pretty simple concept in the Maryland . U8, U9,U10,U11, etc..with cards, Somehow this seems to work with the MIAA holdbacks . They all play where their age is,, not grade. The HS school teams(very good) and recruiters don't seem to have a problem, but somehow youth lacrosse needs grade base teams according to the apologists . This is mainly a private school thing that has taken over all club lacrosse to accommodate all these holdbacks that attend them.

tournaments are following how the clubs are set-up. Maryland clubs followed how the LI clubs are set-up. If we're talking about youth teams it's about fairness and safety. The bottom line is that league and tournaments that offer grade A & B divisions give many teams as chance to find competitive brackets for their skill levels. And the age variances are a smaller window on average than with traditional 2yr age brackets. If you're going to throw out 13 yr old 8th grader playing vs 16 yr holdback I've not seen it. That's a double holdback and I believe that would extremely rare and there should some limit on ages. I have summer, spring & fall bday kids. We're public so no holdback even if we wanted to. Not trying to justify going to this system or keeping kids back for sports. But now were in it I'm not seeing where the crises is and I think most others don't either - whether their kids were held back or not. Until the outrage is more than a vocal group on internet forums than trend towards grade will continue. Personally I agree that single age brackets are the best and fairest. But I like the grade brackets over the 2 yr age brackets

And if we're talking about 9th grade up and the kids can't compete with older kids, then they are not ready to be recruited or play varsity lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many complaints about grade based tournaments. Why don't all of the people that don't want to play in grade based tournaments just set up their own????? Most of the tournaments out there today did not exist even 2 years ago. Feel free, go set your own age based tournament with your rules and accept the teams you want to play!!!!! Simple.

The only complaints are at the youth level not HS level mister simple. But it like looks you have the answer. Go set up a tournament.simple! .. Forget the fact that we are letting a select minority of children get an advantage at youth level. We want that advantage since we held our children back and deserve that advantage .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.

I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air

Thats the point. Tournaments are going 2019,2020,2021,2022 brackets to accommodate the grade based teams. It could have been U9,U10,U11,U12,U13, etc . Pretty simple and straightforward. Maryland Lacrosse at the youth club level is wrong, plain and simple. Club Soccer has a pretty simple concept in the Maryland . U8, U9,U10,U11, etc..with cards, Somehow this seems to work with the MIAA holdbacks . They all play where their age is,, not grade. The HS school teams(very good) and recruiters don't seem to have a problem, but somehow youth lacrosse needs grade base teams according to the apologists . This is mainly a private school thing that has taken over all club lacrosse to accommodate all these holdbacks that attend them.

tournaments are following how the clubs are set-up. Maryland clubs followed how the LI clubs are set-up. If we're talking about youth teams it's about fairness and safety. The bottom line is that league and tournaments that offer grade A & B divisions give many teams as chance to find competitive brackets for their skill levels. And the age variances are a smaller window on average than with traditional 2yr age brackets. If you're going to throw out 13 yr old 8th grader playing vs 16 yr holdback I've not seen it. That's a double holdback and I believe that would extremely rare and there should some limit on ages. I have summer, spring & fall bday kids. We're public so no holdback even if we wanted to. Not trying to justify going to this system or keeping kids back for sports. But now were in it I'm not seeing where the crises is and I think most others don't either - whether their kids were held back or not. Until the outrage is more than a vocal group on internet forums than trend towards grade will continue. Personally I agree that single age brackets are the best and fairest. But I like the grade brackets over the 2 yr age brackets

And if we're talking about 9th grade up and the kids can't compete with older kids, then they are not ready to be recruited or play varsity lacrosse

Last year several teams in Baltimore area had "holdbacks" on their teams. It was not that many. This year most club teams went grade base that had kids from MIAA schools. No all but most holdbacks are now playing down. I suspect except for a few Balt teams in each age group it will not make a big difference. But for these youth teams it will and that is the point. Why did youth Lacrosse need to start this trend of scewing the rules for the holdback children of MIAA ? They are the reason since all Maryland school ages align with USL ages of Aug 31. It is pure BS that these heldback children of the MIAA Private schools at the youth level get this advantage while all the public children born in summer months dont. Did Lacrosse decide to award MIAA schools special privileges that the rest of MD can not have. Even if it is one child getting a special advantage it is wrong.

Hawks 2018 had 5 older-birthday or "holdbacks" last year-same amount as Crabs.

Still could not beat them. Ha Ha-

Then a few joined them-LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

tournaments are following how the clubs are set-up. Maryland clubs followed how the LI clubs are set-up. If we're talking about youth teams it's about fairness and safety. The bottom line is that league and tournaments that offer grade A & B divisions give many teams as chance to find competitive brackets for their skill levels. And the age variances are a smaller window on average than with traditional 2yr age brackets. If you're going to throw out 13 yr old 8th grader playing vs 16 yr holdback I've not seen it. That's a double holdback and I believe that would extremely rare and there should some limit on ages. I have summer, spring & fall bday kids. We're public so no holdback even if we wanted to. Not trying to justify going to this system or keeping kids back for sports. But now were in it I'm not seeing where the crises is and I think most others don't either - whether their kids were held back or not. Until the outrage is more than a vocal group on internet forums than trend towards grade will continue. Personally I agree that single age brackets are the best and fairest. But I like the grade brackets over the 2 yr age brackets

And if we're talking about 9th grade up and the kids can't compete with older kids, then they are not ready to be recruited or play varsity lacrosse [/quote]

My understanding of LI going grade base teams is due to Dec 1 school start date and USL Aug 31 age start date. Md school start date is the same as USL Aug 31. I may be wrong but it seems like LI going grade base gives them a DISADVANTAGE as the oldest child is DEC 1 birthday while Maryland oldest age base would be Sept 1. MD kids could be 3 months older ,,is this right?? With a few holdbacks on a MD grade base team vs grade base LI team this would even be more advantage for MD, 6 months plus older kids. Please chime in if I have this wrong.

Crab apologists note that Crabs are heart of the problem. They encourage and recommend repeating eighth grade, or holding back. This Fall, 2019 team cut half team to make room for 7-8 holdback kids. Wonder how those kids that got cut feel about holdbacks? Do they now chase 2020 spot as a holdback?

This practice gives justification to Edge playing entire team down a grade since they might PG. It makes a mockery of these tournaments.

Yes, I have seen 13 yo compete against 16 yo this Fall at Autumn Classic when Edge played. Pre first and reclass happens more than you think too.

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2018 had 5 older-birthday or "holdbacks" last year-same amount as Crabs.

Still could not beat them. Ha Ha-

Then a few joined them-LOL

pretty sure hawks only had four, one of the bethesda area teams had 7 and madlax had 6, so it's not strictly a crabs thing, i have had two sons play in the npyll who were not heldback, most people in this area have moved on and don't whine about it everyday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

tournaments are following how the clubs are set-up. Maryland clubs followed how the LI clubs are set-up. If we're talking about youth teams it's about fairness and safety. The bottom line is that league and tournaments that offer grade A & B divisions give many teams as chance to find competitive brackets for their skill levels. And the age variances are a smaller window on average than with traditional 2yr age brackets. If you're going to throw out 13 yr old 8th grader playing vs 16 yr holdback I've not seen it. That's a double holdback and I believe that would extremely rare and there should some limit on ages. I have summer, spring & fall bday kids. We're public so no holdback even if we wanted to. Not trying to justify going to this system or keeping kids back for sports. But now were in it I'm not seeing where the crises is and I think most others don't either - whether their kids were held back or not. Until the outrage is more than a vocal group on internet forums than trend towards grade will continue. Personally I agree that single age brackets are the best and fairest. But I like the grade brackets over the 2 yr age brackets

And if we're talking about 9th grade up and the kids can't compete with older kids, then they are not ready to be recruited or play varsity lacrosse

My understanding of LI going grade base teams is due to Dec 1 school start date and USL Aug 31 age start date. Md school start date is the same as USL Aug 31. I may be wrong but it seems like LI going grade base gives them a DISADVANTAGE as the oldest child is DEC 1 birthday while Maryland oldest age base would be Sept 1. MD kids could be 3 months older ,,is this right?? With a few holdbacks on a MD grade base team vs grade base LI team this would even be more advantage for MD, 6 months plus older kids. Please chime in if I have this wrong. [/quote]

I don't think you have that last part wrong. Picking over kids being 3 months older is moot, but consider that with a Sept 1st trigger a MD holdback kid can be closer to two years older than one over a younger natural aged LI kid in his grade. You also noted that in public schools you can't go in for repeating grades for sports, so that means doing it is an investment in private school tuitions starting at 8th or 9th grade. Let's not waste time, nobody is repeating 10th or 11th grade for lacrosse reasons after most ships have sailed. So the holdback "advantage" is one obtainable only by wealthy kids. Prep schools love that because it is good for business. The MIAA and IAC schools didn't have 12.6 scholarships like it is a college and most of those places run over $30K a year. I maintain that is fine for HS play, but if you look at much larger more established sports like soccer it is age based all the way through for non-school. There are over 200 D1 scholarship soccer programs and over 150 D2 scholarship programs in soccer and that sport is not crying for reforms. Its fair and it works.

It is a cop out to say "well, go do your own age based club tournaments then" to parents of kids not advantaged by this system. How? Start another unhappy Daddy lacrosse club and hope people join in? There is no such thing as a recreation or club league in MD that has age based club events. If you have not seen a 13 year old get plowed by a 15 or 16 year old, then you weren't at any Hogan or Madlax tournaments this fall. We had one kid knocked out cold by a knee to the head at the faceoff X. There was nothing dirty at all about the play, but the injury was definitely exacerbated by the fact that this was a tiny 12 year old 7th grader playing on a 7th/8th team playing against a 6 foot and heavy muscled 8th grader who was obviously a holdback. That is one thing your analysis missed somewhat, which two-year age groups you don't have a chance of seeing a 12 year old out there with 15 year holds. With grade based blend teams -- 7th and 8th grade throw togethers where they have a "B" team with kids off the "A" grade based teams or have talented 7th graders playing up -- you will literally see it every day at tournaments in Maryland. This tiny 7th grader was on this team I noted because the coaches wanted to play him up to get him ready for playing up next summer at recruiting tournaments. Think about that, a 12 year old 7th grader was out there with the enthusiastic consent of the club and his parents and then this...a very serious concussion where he stays out of school lies in bed in the dark for 2 weeks.

It just isn't worth it. But hey, let's wait for the big one, right? We're all tough lacrosse parents. A tragedy on the field with a middle school kid. Lawyer up Ryan, when that comes around you will be one who well deserves the blame and I for one will be glad to see an outcome where you are held accountable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

If you have not seen a 13 year old get plowed by a 15 or 16 year old, then you weren't at any Hogan or Madlax tournaments this fall. We had one kid knocked out cold by a knee to the head at the faceoff X. There was nothing dirty at all about the play, but the injury was definitely exacerbated by the fact that this was a tiny 12 year old 7th grader playing on a 7th/8th team

(1) I thought Hogan tournaments enforced age rules, although they are adding 2024, 2022 and 2020 divisions this year where presumably older kids can play with their actual grade. Is this not correct? Important to me as I plan our team's schedule this Summer.

(2) Like others have posted, single year divisions with some holdbacks still seems better than double-year age divisions. Still, 6 months matters competitively. What I ask is that tournaments clearly lay out their age and grade rules and then follow them.

(3) While a lot of BOTC posters essentially say "toughen up" when someone voices safety concerns, I'll bet none of those posters are parents or coaches with sons or players who have had concussions. It's very serious, very scary and can end an athletic career. Your son can get a concussion sledding or roughhousing with his brother - you can't bubble wrap your kid - but you can take a break from tackle football and try to make sure your son plays lacrosse against kids his own age to mitigate risk. It's BS when you try to do that only to have teams play down or tournaments not follow their own age rules.

pretty sure hawks only had four, one of the bethesda area teams had 7 and madlax had 6, so it's not strictly a crabs thing, i have had two sons play in the npyll who were not heldback, most people in this area have moved on and don't whine about it everyday

Convenient, if it was true, but it is not even close to reality. Would make Crabs seem almost normal. Make stuff up much? Crabs are the heart of the reclass issue, and it's not normal.

Crabs and Hawks over ruled other members and voted to take NPYLL grade based. They did it to protect themselves, and maintain recruiting edge.

That's a fact!

We were at a fall Hogan tournament which filled out a division with 7th/8th grade combined teams in with 8th grade teams. Hogan tournaments have no age rules to enforce when there are grade based teams. That is the whole point to the comment.

I have a different definition of tough. Aspire to be better than kids your age. The aspire to be good enough to play varsity as a 14 turning 15 year old 9th grader. Kids who do that can respect themselves and feel great about their accomplishments without asterisks. The holdback trend is a continuance of the participation trophy generation families that aged out of their U-11 glory days. At this rate, their self esteem won't be able to handle anything as adults.

That leads to this question, are NCAA coaches really that stupid? When they evaluate a 16 year old freshman higher than a 14 year old based on size, strength and other physical advantages, it does not occur to them that the 16 year old is getting close to fully grown whereas the 14 year old is not? This recruiting edge you mention would need to accept as fact NCAA coaches are really stupid. Are they or is this advantage overstated?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

pretty sure hawks only had four, one of the bethesda area teams had 7 and madlax had 6, so it's not strictly a crabs thing, i have had two sons play in the npyll who were not heldback, most people in this area have moved on and don't whine about it everyday

Convenient, if it was true, but it is not even close to reality. Would make Crabs seem almost normal. Make stuff up much? Crabs are the heart of the reclass issue, and it's not normal.

Crabs and Hawks over ruled other members and voted to take NPYLL grade based. They did it to protect themselves, and maintain recruiting edge.

That's a fact!

How is it an Edge when everyone has the same rules?

Most teams have hold backs for either intentional sports reasons or unintentional education/developmental reasons.

The single grade method is far better than the two year age cutoff combined method, so there is progress.

People advocating this grade based system over an age based system for club play will say anything and always duck answering this question: if we are going to have teams by each year, what is the argument against age based for club tournaments and rec leagues?

Lining up against you is 1. fairness, 2. safety of the kids, 3. grade based teams can go onwards where they fit, which is in scholastic sports, and 4. a kid who was held back for education and non-sports developmental reasons can play school ball with his classmates and not be socially tarnished or stigmatized as a "lacrosse reclassified". I have a son who repeated first grade because of months to recover from serious car accident internal injuries. He is big for his age, and frankly I am sick and tired of him being looked at and down on as a reclassified kid.

The way the Crabs argue this point back is sickening to me as the parent of my son. Don't ever tread on the point that "well, there are SOME kids who flunked a grade or had a physical or mental developmental problem" so teasing a lacrosse reclassified kid is sort of like teasing an invalid, and that is the unsporting thing. Screw you McClernan. My son is not an A lister lacrosse recruit, but he is tough. He learned to walk again when he was 6. Your lacrosse reclassified kids are, for lack of a better term, sissies who don't belong on the same breath as my son.

They like it.
They don't want to wait for little Johnny late bloomer to mature.

It stays an advantage.

Bigger Stronger Faster---get with it.

PHILLY does the same thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

pretty sure hawks only had four, one of the bethesda area teams had 7 and madlax had 6, so it's not strictly a crabs thing, i have had two sons play in the npyll who were not heldback, most people in this area have moved on and don't whine about it everyday

Convenient, if it was true, but it is not even close to reality. Would make Crabs seem almost normal. Make stuff up much? Crabs are the heart of the reclass issue, and it's not normal.

Crabs and Hawks over ruled other members and voted to take NPYLL grade based. They did it to protect themselves, and maintain recruiting edge.

That's a fact!

How is it an Edge when everyone has the same rules?

Most teams have hold backs for either intentional sports reasons or unintentional education/developmental reasons.

The single grade method is far better than the two year age cutoff combined method, so there is progress.

Typical strawman excuse coming from a grade based team apologist comparing 2 years age based teams to single grade base team... The correct comparison is single grade(with holdbacks playing down) to single age(no holdbacks playing down)..which one is right for youth sports.

Typical strawman excuse coming from a grade based team apologist comparing 2 years age based teams to single grade base team... The correct comparison is single grade(with holdbacks playing down) to single age(no holdbacks playing down)..which one is right for youth sports.
[/quote]

I agree, though I think comparing it to U.S. Lacrosse age groups is more than a straw man. I think U9, U10, U11, U12 etc is the way to go, though I would probably move the age deadline to 8/1 given how common it is for parents of August boys to wait a year for kindegarten.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

pretty sure hawks only had four, one of the bethesda area teams had 7 and madlax had 6, so it's not strictly a crabs thing, i have had two sons play in the npyll who were not heldback, most people in this area have moved on and don't whine about it everyday

Convenient, if it was true, but it is not even close to reality. Would make Crabs seem almost normal. Make stuff up much? Crabs are the heart of the reclass issue, and it's not normal.

it's absolutely true, there were two programs with more holdbacks than Crabs last season for 2018's

Crabs and Hawks over ruled other members and voted to take NPYLL grade based. They did it to protect themselves, and maintain recruiting edge.

That's a fact!

wasn't at the vote, but don't know how two owners would over rule a majority of owners in a vote

What the [lacrosse] is wrong with our society? Didn't you all grow up playing sports in a two year age system? There was 9-10, 11-12, 13-15. And we used f'ing bachrach raisin helmets and styrofoam arm pads. And gloves that were foam that we had to cut the palms out of. Against defenders wielding 6 ft long solid wood poles. When exactly did it become impossible for a 11 yr old to play against a 12 yr old that happened to be in their grade? (For whatever reason)

I just don't get the issue with the grade based system. Is the difference between a kid born in the summer and therefore is 12 playing against 11 yr olds better or worse than a 11 yr old born in September playing against a 10 year old that was born two years later in August?

As usual in our society, the answer seems to be lets coddle our children and make sure they only play against kids that were born in the same 12 month period. While we're at it, lets have separate divisions for kids based on height and weight. Jesus. This is club lacrosse. The real problem is that rec has been watered down so badly that parents are signing their kids up for club that have no business doing so. There are so many crappy club teams out there that cant compete and take anyone that will pay them their $1500 dollars. Yes, those kids are at risk when playing against Crabs, Breakers, FCA... Is it because they are younger or because they have no business being on the field with them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the [lacrosse] is wrong with our society? Didn't you all grow up playing sports in a two year age system? There was 9-10, 11-12, 13-15. And we used f'ing bachrach raisin helmets and styrofoam arm pads. And gloves that were foam that we had to cut the palms out of. Against defenders wielding 6 ft long solid wood poles. When exactly did it become impossible for a 11 yr old to play against a 12 yr old that happened to be in their grade? (For whatever reason)

I just don't get the issue with the grade based system. Is the difference between a kid born in the summer and therefore is 12 playing against 11 yr olds better or worse than a 11 yr old born in September playing against a 10 year old that was born two years later in August?

As usual in our society, the answer seems to be lets coddle our children and make sure they only play against kids that were born in the same 12 month period. While we're at it, lets have separate divisions for kids based on height and weight. Jesus. This is club lacrosse. The real problem is that rec has been watered down so badly that parents are signing their kids up for club that have no business doing so. There are so many crappy club teams out there that cant compete and take anyone that will pay them their $1500 dollars. Yes, those kids are at risk when playing against Crabs, Breakers, FCA... Is it because they are younger or because they have no business being on the field with them?

Good morning Mr. Tough 1980s guy, You miss the point completely. If you think this is a debate over 11 year olds being on the same field as 10 year olds, go back 20 pages on this thread and start reading. There are instances of the age spread being dangerous for the kids more than 2 years apart in some instances at the youth ages in a contact sport. I agree with your point about too many clubs and too watered down levels for clubs now. The whole point was to go to year-by-year to make room for more teams, more $$$$, etc. The moronic conclusion to do this grade based rather than by age based which US Lacrosse lamely endorses but everyone ignored doesn't have an argument to stand on except to preserve an artificial 7th to 9th grade recruiting advantage. Scott Baio called, he wants is jean jacket back.

I agree with this post mostly. The fact that these B level clubs want to play at the AA level is the real issue. Its why when you get to the high school age the tournments do not let in the lower level clubs. They only take the top 20 or so from the country and leave out these B level travel programs out there. I think the top NPYLL type programs only play in these tournments when the teams are young with the "other Guys" is to let there better players see what a real club looks like and they come try out for them the next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the [lacrosse] is wrong with our society? Didn't you all grow up playing sports in a two year age system? There was 9-10, 11-12, 13-15. And we used f'ing bachrach raisin helmets and styrofoam arm pads. And gloves that were foam that we had to cut the palms out of. Against defenders wielding 6 ft long solid wood poles. When exactly did it become impossible for a 11 yr old to play against a 12 yr old that happened to be in their grade? (For whatever reason)

I just don't get the issue with the grade based system. Is the difference between a kid born in the summer and therefore is 12 playing against 11 yr olds better or worse than a 11 yr old born in September playing against a 10 year old that was born two years later in August?

As usual in our society, the answer seems to be lets coddle our children and make sure they only play against kids that were born in the same 12 month period. While we're at it, lets have separate divisions for kids based on height and weight. Jesus. This is club lacrosse. The real problem is that rec has been watered down so badly that parents are signing their kids up for club that have no business doing so. There are so many crappy club teams out there that cant compete and take anyone that will pay them their $1500 dollars. Yes, those kids are at risk when playing against Crabs, Breakers, FCA... Is it because they are younger or because they have no business being on the field with them?

Did you even read why people are against YOUTH grade based teams (letting a special select group of children heldback play down ) versus age based teams ( all the same age whether one or two years, no special group to get an advantage ) and all that goes with it. Fairplay in youth sports, certain teams with most holdback, etc, etc....Maybe that raisan helmet didnt do its job when you were playing against those tough guys.

You do realize that many sports are setup this way now correct? Girls club lacrosse has been for years. AAU basketball has been for years. I am going out on a limb here and saying that most kids that are older in AAU are not MIAA holdbacks. Are they a special select group also?

This is from AAU's website

The AAU is a grade based organization.��Each grade division consists of a 24 month age window which determines an
athletes� participation in that division.��If an athletes� age is outside the 24 month window for their grade, the athlete
must play up to the grade division that is normal and customary for their age.��If an athlete is in any grade above what is
normal and customary for their age, an athlete may play down provided they meet the established criteria listed in the
chart below.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You do realize that many sports are setup this way now correct? Girls club lacrosse has been for years. AAU basketball has been for years. I am going out on a limb here and saying that most kids that are older in AAU are not MIAA holdbacks. Are they a special select group also?

This is from AAU's website

The AAU is a grade based organization.��Each grade division consists of a 24 month age window which determines an
athletes� participation in that division.��If an athletes� age is outside the 24 month window for their grade, the athlete
must play up to the grade division that is normal and customary for their age.��If an athlete is in any grade above what is
normal and customary for their age, an athlete may play down provided they meet the established criteria listed in the
chart below.

And what makes that a cogent argument against age based teams? Basketball is not a sport where kids are playing in helmets and other protective gear. Girls lacrosse is 90%+ school based, girls clubs only started in last 1-3 years. Many sports? You named two and one isn't even a club sport. Clown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You do realize that many sports are setup this way now correct? Girls club lacrosse has been for years. AAU basketball has been for years. I am going out on a limb here and saying that most kids that are older in AAU are not MIAA holdbacks. Are they a special select group also?

This is from AAU's website

The AAU is a grade based organization.��Each grade division consists of a 24 month age window which determines an
athletes� participation in that division.��If an athletes� age is outside the 24 month window for their grade, the athlete
must play up to the grade division that is normal and customary for their age.��If an athlete is in any grade above what is
normal and customary for their age, an athlete may play down provided they meet the established criteria listed in the
chart below.

And what makes that a cogent argument against age based teams? Basketball is not a sport where kids are playing in helmets and other protective gear. Girls lacrosse is 90%+ school based, girls clubs only started in last 1-3 years. Many sports? You named two and one isn't even a club sport. Clown.

Seriously? AAU basketball is the absolute equivalent to club lacrosse. The kids play together for years as they move up through school. They go play in tournaments all summer in front of college coaches. Kids switch schools and reclass all the time to be in a better recruiting situation. Many AAU teams are run by people just looking to make money and take advantage of the culture. You're right though. I'm the clown. That doesn't sounds anything like the club lacrosse culture. But I guess since they aren't MIAA rich kids that are pushing your son off a team it isn't something you notice/care about.

And what rock do you live under that girls club lacrosse just started 1-3 years ago? Girls lacrosse is more like 10% school based. Ever heard of M&D, Skywalkers, Yellow Jackets?? Been around longer than most boys clubs and have been grade based most of that time. And read some of the Yellow Jacket/LI Top Guns threads. The girls game is 100x more cut throat then the boys.

Point is, that this is the way the game works these days. No matter how stupid it is, and no matter how unlikely it is that little Johnny is going to get a lax scholarship, the parents(Not Ryan) are going to work for every angle they can to put their kids in best situation. I have 3 kids that are on age for their grade and have never seen a game between top clubs where kids were in danger because there was someone 5 months older. The dangers I have seen are when less skilled players are standing over a ball and get train wrecked. This is on the club owners and the parents of the kids that shouldn't be out there.

Are there any studies that show an increase in injuries in the last few years and if so is this at all related to the 5 or 6 holdbacks on the team involved?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You do realize that many sports are setup this way now correct? Girls club lacrosse has been for years. AAU basketball has been for years. I am going out on a limb here and saying that most kids that are older in AAU are not MIAA holdbacks. Are they a special select group also?

This is from AAU's website

The AAU is a grade based organization.��Each grade division consists of a 24 month age window which determines an
athletes� participation in that division.��If an athletes� age is outside the 24 month window for their grade, the athlete
must play up to the grade division that is normal and customary for their age.��If an athlete is in any grade above what is
normal and customary for their age, an athlete may play down provided they meet the established criteria listed in the
chart below.

And what makes that a cogent argument against age based teams? Basketball is not a sport where kids are playing in helmets and other protective gear. Girls lacrosse is 90%+ school based, girls clubs only started in last 1-3 years. Many sports? You named two and one isn't even a club sport. Clown.

You lose all credibility when making an ignorant statement like the following:
"Girls lacrosse is 90%+ school based, girls clubs only started in last 1-3 years."
It is people like you, who have no clue what you're talking about, who make this whole site a joke and absent of true facts. This site is purely for entertainment purposes only. People seeking the real story on issues should seek advice elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You do realize that many sports are setup this way now correct? Girls club lacrosse has been for years. AAU basketball has been for years. I am going out on a limb here and saying that most kids that are older in AAU are not MIAA holdbacks. Are they a special select group also?

This is from AAU's website

The AAU is a grade based organization.��Each grade division consists of a 24 month age window which determines an
athletes participation in that division.��If an athletes age is outside the 24 month window for their grade, the athlete
must play up to the grade division that is normal and customary for their age.��If an athlete is in any grade above what is
normal and customary for their age, an athlete may play down provided they meet the established criteria listed in the
chart below.

And what makes that a cogent argument against age based teams? Basketball is not a sport where kids are playing in helmets and other protective gear. Girls lacrosse is 90%+ school based, girls clubs only started in last 1-3 years. Many sports? You named two and one isn't even a club sport. Clown.

with regard to girls lax, previous poster is right and you are the clown. I have daughter who is soph in college started playing club lax in 6th grade. it was around before then. not sure what you mean by 90% school based but the list of non-school affiliated of girls lacrosse clubs is as longs as the boys. it's not so much an argument against age-based as it is an acknowledgement that grade is not much different than the u13,u15 system that has been in place since the Bacharach helmets. poster above references 8th grade event that had 16 yr playing vs. 13yr. Sounds bad until you consider maybe the 16 yr has Sept bday and 13 yr olds turn 14 in summer. 16 vs. 13 could be as little as 12 months & 1 day difference or max of 24 months and 30day - which would be within the age parameters if said tournament was u15. The inferences that somehow Crabs and/or MIAA schools are behind some grand conspiracy to change youth lax to grade is silly. They seemed to be going with the flow that others started. I'm no Crabs insider or supporter. I di think it would be great to see leagues and tournaments that are arranged by grade use to example of AAU 24 month age window

Originally Posted by Anonymous

tournaments are following how the clubs are set-up. Maryland clubs followed how the LI clubs are set-up. If we're talking about youth teams it's about fairness and safety. The bottom line is that league and tournaments that offer grade A & B divisions give many teams as chance to find competitive brackets for their skill levels. And the age variances are a smaller window on average than with traditional 2yr age brackets. If you're going to throw out 13 yr old 8th grader playing vs 16 yr holdback I've not seen it. That's a double holdback and I believe that would extremely rare and there should some limit on ages. I have summer, spring & fall bday kids. We're public so no holdback even if we wanted to. Not trying to justify going to this system or keeping kids back for sports. But now were in it I'm not seeing where the crises is and I think most others don't either - whether their kids were held back or not. Until the outrage is more than a vocal group on internet forums than trend towards grade will continue. Personally I agree that single age brackets are the best and fairest. But I like the grade brackets over the 2 yr age brackets

And if we're talking about 9th grade up and the kids can't compete with older kids, then they are not ready to be recruited or play varsity lacrosse

My understanding of LI going grade base teams is due to Dec 1 school start date and USL Aug 31 age start date. Md school start date is the same as USL Aug 31. I may be wrong but it seems like LI going grade base gives them a DISADVANTAGE as the oldest child is DEC 1 birthday while Maryland oldest age base would be Sept 1. MD kids could be 3 months older ,,is this right?? With a few holdbacks on a MD grade base team vs grade base LI team this would even be more advantage for MD, 6 months plus older kids. Please chime in if I have this wrong.

I don't think you have that last part wrong. Picking over kids being 3 months older is moot, but consider that with a Sept 1st trigger a MD holdback kid can be closer to two years older than one over a younger natural aged LI kid in his grade. You also noted that in public schools you can't go in for repeating grades for sports, so that means doing it is an investment in private school tuitions starting at 8th or 9th grade. Let's not waste time, nobody is repeating 10th or 11th grade for lacrosse reasons after most ships have sailed. So the holdback "advantage" is one obtainable only by wealthy kids. Prep schools love that because it is good for business. The MIAA and IAC schools didn't have 12.6 scholarships like it is a college and most of those places run over $30K a year. I maintain that is fine for HS play, but if you look at much larger more established sports like soccer it is age based all the way through for non-school. There are over 200 D1 scholarship soccer programs and over 150 D2 scholarship programs in soccer and that sport is not crying for reforms. Its fair and it works.

It is a cop out to say "well, go do your own age based club tournaments then" to parents of kids not advantaged by this system. How? Start another unhappy Daddy lacrosse club and hope people join in? There is no such thing as a recreation or club league in MD that has age based club events. If you have not seen a 13 year old get plowed by a 15 or 16 year old, then you weren't at any Hogan or Madlax tournaments this fall. We had one kid knocked out cold by a knee to the head at the faceoff X. There was nothing dirty at all about the play, but the injury was definitely exacerbated by the fact that this was a tiny 12 year old 7th grader playing on a 7th/8th team playing against a 6 foot and heavy muscled 8th grader who was obviously a holdback. That is one thing your analysis missed somewhat, which two-year age groups you don't have a chance of seeing a 12 year old out there with 15 year holds. With grade based blend teams -- 7th and 8th grade throw togethers where they have a "B" team with kids off the "A" grade based teams or have talented 7th graders playing up -- you will literally see it every day at tournaments in Maryland. This tiny 7th grader was on this team I noted because the coaches wanted to play him up to get him ready for playing up next summer at recruiting tournaments. Think about that, a 12 year old 7th grader was out there with the enthusiastic consent of the club and his parents and then this...a very serious concussion where he stays out of school lies in bed in the dark for 2 weeks.

It just isn't worth it. But hey, let's wait for the big one, right? We're all tough lacrosse parents. A tragedy on the field with a middle school kid. Lawyer up Ryan, when that comes around you will be one who well deserves the blame and I for one will be glad to see an outcome where you are held accountable.[/quote]

why would anyone other the tiny 12 yrd old 7th grader's parents be "accountable" when they enthusiastically had him playing up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You do realize that many sports are setup this way now correct? Girls club lacrosse has been for years. AAU basketball has been for years. I am going out on a limb here and saying that most kids that are older in AAU are not MIAA holdbacks. Are they a special select group also?

This is from AAU's website

The AAU is a grade based organization.��Each grade division consists of a 24 month age window which determines an
athletes� participation in that division.��If an athletes� age is outside the 24 month window for their grade, the athlete
must play up to the grade division that is normal and customary for their age.��If an athlete is in any grade above what is
normal and customary for their age, an athlete may play down provided they meet the established criteria listed in the
chart below.

And what makes that a cogent argument against age based teams? Basketball is not a sport where kids are playing in helmets and other protective gear. Girls lacrosse is 90%+ school based, girls clubs only started in last 1-3 years. Many sports? You named two and one isn't even a club sport. Clown.

Seriously? AAU basketball is the absolute equivalent to club lacrosse. The kids play together for years as they move up through school. They go play in tournaments all summer in front of college coaches. Kids switch schools and reclass all the time to be in a better recruiting situation. Many AAU teams are run by people just looking to make money and take advantage of the culture. You're right though. I'm the clown. That doesn't sounds anything like the club lacrosse culture. But I guess since they aren't MIAA rich kids that are pushing your son off a team it isn't something you notice/care about.

And what rock do you live under that girls club lacrosse just started 1-3 years ago? Girls lacrosse is more like 10% school based. Ever heard of M&D, Skywalkers, Yellow Jackets?? Been around longer than most boys clubs and have been grade based most of that time. And read some of the Yellow Jacket/LI Top Guns threads. The girls game is 100x more cut throat then the boys.

Point is, that this is the way the game works these days. No matter how stupid it is, and no matter how unlikely it is that little Johnny is going to get a lax scholarship, the parents(Not Ryan) are going to work for every angle they can to put their kids in best situation. I have 3 kids that are on age for their grade and have never seen a game between top clubs where kids were in danger because there was someone 5 months older. The dangers I have seen are when less skilled players are standing over a ball and get train wrecked. This is on the club owners and the parents of the kids that shouldn't be out there.

Are there any studies that show an increase in injuries in the last few years and if so is this at all related to the 5 or 6 holdbacks on the team involved?

Girls lacrosse has no where near the amount of children held back like the boys. Grade base is fine as long as there is not a holdback mentality in the sport. Go to any PreFirst class since you are a MIAA expert and see what the ratio is. Mostly boys in mixed schools and 20 plus in some all boys school per yaer . And these are not all summer babies either. There is a culture of holding your child back in private schools to get your child an advantage. Of course this isnt all of the parents. Youth club lacrosse was changed to accommodate these kids or it would have been a easy U9,U10,U11, etc...

Youth Soccer was going the way of out of control Lacrosse and decided they needed some control. It is a simple U9,U10,U11 etc .. No holdbacks allowed and they have no trouble with recruiting, etc.but somehow apologists like you make up a hundred reasons why it needs to be done grade based.

AAU isnt grade base until High school according to their rules.
http://image.aausports.org/dnn/boysbasketball/pdf/Eligibility-Rules.pdf
Maybe you need to read better or maybe you are a clown like you called the other poster.

Make up reasons all you want but grade base lacrosse in Maryland was put out there for the holdbacks. No other reason as the school age aligns with USL. You are a apologist for letting a select group of kids get an advantage over many. Character education is a big thing in MIAA schools , I guess this is good character having an advantage over other kids... Just because other sports are doing it doesnt mean that is right.

How about football, which does have kids "playing in helmets" where many leagues have more than a 2 year spread allowed? For example, the MMYF has 9-11 age bracket but you can be 12 if under a certain weight. So there could be a 3 year age gap in a sport with more contact than lacrosse. Nobody is pitching a fit there, but in lacrosse you can't have kids all in the same grade playing against each other? Doesn't make sense.

And what makes that a cogent argument against age based teams? Basketball is not a sport where kids are playing in helmets and other protective gear. Girls lacrosse is 90%+ school based, girls clubs only started in last 1-3 years. Many sports? You named two and one isn't even a club sport. Clown. [/quote]

So are the Crabs doing any indoor leagues? (Please stop whining about ages or move it to a different forum)

AAU basketball is not grade based until high school, football goes by weight class and according to USLacrosse there were fewer than 5,000 girls youth club players registered with USL five years ago. Five years ago the number of school girl participants was over 100,000, so the 90% guess was low.

Yeah, Crabs are doing a 2020 down to 2022 box league. Your kid will need to bring two forms of ID including a valid driver's license to play.

Homey does play that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So are the Crabs doing any indoor leagues? (Please stop whining about ages or move it to a different forum)

Everybody will stop whinning when the Crabs stop telling us how good they are with a team that is loaded with holdbacks. It is an issue that the Crabs favor and the majority of lacrosse parents think is unfair at the youth level.

Football is age and weight. And age cutoff is Aug 1. So you can have a kid 3 years older. Personally I'd rather my kid go against his same grade, even if some are nearly a year older than play football against a kid 3 years older (even if the older kid weighs less). So lacrosse going grade based is better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So are the Crabs doing any indoor leagues? (Please stop whining about ages or move it to a different forum)

Everybody will stop whinning when the Crabs stop telling us how good they are with a team that is loaded with holdbacks. It is an issue that the Crabs favor and the majority of lacrosse parents think is unfair at the youth level.

Every club has the same rules. please whine on the Age verification forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAU basketball is not grade based until high school, football goes by weight class and according to USLacrosse there were fewer than 5,000 girls youth club players registered with USL five years ago. Five years ago the number of school girl participants was over 100,000, so the 90% guess was low.

Yeah, Crabs are doing a 2020 down to 2022 box league. Your kid will need to bring two forms of ID including a valid driver's license to play.

Homey does play that.

Are they doing a box league? Or just a couple box tournaments?

The problem with this debate and the arguments over aged based versus school year based teams with the safety or competitive factors all taken into account is still just that, an argument. US Lacrosse is in no position to tell prep schools what to do, and no body should make rules for prep schools if they want to keep it that same that kids who repeated grades can play school sports in their grade. There isn't anything wrong with that because there are examples of youths held back for health or academic reasons, and I am a parent of a kid in that category. It is unfair to prejudice those kids, so you can't prejudice anyone including kids who do it for sports reasons.

For now the club owners run things and want grade based club teams. I am on the side of US Lacrosse best practices that club lacrosse should be age based to promote safety and equity for the participants, but that is just my argument. There are reasons why ice hockey and soccer are age based for sanctioned non-school competitions, and the winning argument wasn't fairness to make that happen it was safety. The three leading concussion incident rate sports ten years ago were football, soccer and ice hockey. Now it is football, lacrosse and soccer. Soccer has high concussion rates because of head ball collisions and goalies hitting heads on goal posts. Many goalies have started wearing head gear and the sport does debate field player head gear. But the rule to go to age based was safety, get the older versus younger kids issue off the board and do single year age based teams by rule. Ice hockey did this same thing long before soccer for the same reasons, and concussion rates in sanctioned leagues events went down substantially following that.

Lacrosse has two problems. First, growth rate of head injuries and the growth rate of soft tissue injuries at a greater rate of growth than any other sport in the last decade. The first we have to blame on the way the game is played and not the equipment, the second may or may not be a casualty of sports specialization and overuse syndrome injuries. These growth rates are also highest at the youth levels with less physically mature and developed players. Second, we don't know what the growth rate from six months ago is yet because there isn't enough data to make any valid conclusions. The advocates of grade based teams are correct, you can't prove that lacrosse is less safe today because of grade based teams and moreover last year there were age based teams with two year spreads. So the argument that a holdback kid 18 months older is moot since we used to have U-11, U-13 and U-15. Thus grade based teams could not be any less safe than a year ago and according to the birth tables and rules that say you can't reclassify over and over again because players over the age of 19 are not allowed to play high school sports. Just my opinion that those are not BAD arguments, but they are also not GOOD arguments in support of grade based club or recreation lacrosse.

What isn't an opinion but is a fact is that soccer and ice hockey rules bodies realized after pouring over data that single year teams are better than two-year bracket age groups for these youth contact sports and that single year age based teams are best practices. If we can accept soccer and ice hockey as a model -- and some of us again argue against that -- then lacrosse eventually goes that way. Clearly US Lacrosse pushed it and for now the club and recreation leagues pushed back and we have grade based club and recreation lacrosse leagues. For now there isn't injury rate data in yet to denounce the grade based system, and quite possibly with the prior system of two-year spread age based teams it may very well be impossible to have any looking backwards data that says "here, lacrosse is so much more unsafe today over a few years ago"...the best hope for those who want age based is that relative to ice hockey and soccer, that lacrosse is trending higher and higher with head trauma injuries, therefore there is a relative data set to make the argument from. Again just my opinion, but I do see that happening and weakening the grade based system to a point where clubs and recreation leagues will need to go to U-8, U-9, U-10, etc. My argument is that lacrosse is not a large or mature enough sport to come to its own fair bargains, and it also has a very weak governing body in US Lacrosse, so the time it will take to sort this out with safety data versus other comparible head impact trauma risk sports like soccer and ice hockey in the years to come. I don't see this happening anytime soon because the science needs years of data with cases of head injuries to make a different conclusion.

Soccer leads all sports in concussions. Lacrosse isn't close to football and soccer. Also, in non hot bed lax regions there isn't enough players to support u9,u10, etc. That is why there is currently a two year age structure by us lax and not one year.

Correction: as a percentage rate by participants, football leads. The gross # for soccer is higher, but the # of participants is also higher by multiples. The concussion rates per participant rates are highest in football, then soccer and then lacrosse. Soccer had been #1 until 4 years ago, but has dampened out. Possibly because the growth rate of soccer continues to be huge and injuries relative to it are down, and that is possibly because of age based teams. But it was recent enough that soccer moved to age based that again there is no real data to back any theory yet.

If there aren't enough players in non-hotbeds to do single year teams, for that same reason there aren't enough players to support 2024, 2023, etc. either. That's a less credible argument, but point taken. I believe this debate is centered on single year grade versus single year age determinations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So are the Crabs doing any indoor leagues? (Please stop whining about ages or move it to a different forum)

Everybody will stop whinning when the Crabs stop telling us how good they are with a team that is loaded with holdbacks. It is an issue that the Crabs favor and the majority of lacrosse parents think is unfair at the youth level.

Every club has the same rules. please whine on the Age verification forum.

No Ryan.. The Crabs are the MIAA holdbacks club of choice. Due to you and a few other clubs that get this advantage we have grade based teams instead of a U9,U10,U11, etc.You are the type of person that gives youth sports a reputation of being disgusting to many people not only in the lacrosse sport but many out of sports. When they look at this and see an advantage gained by a select few along with Crabs getting a large share of these holdbacks,, no wonder average joe thinks of sports in a low way. I bet you are one of those that tells non sports people that you honor the game of lacrosse..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with this debate and the arguments over aged based versus school year based teams with the safety or competitive factors all taken into account is still just that, an argument. US Lacrosse is in no position to tell prep schools what to do, and no body should make rules for prep schools if they want to keep it that same that kids who repeated grades can play school sports in their grade. There isn't anything wrong with that because there are examples of youths held back for health or academic reasons, and I am a parent of a kid in that category. It is unfair to prejudice those kids, so you can't prejudice anyone including kids who do it for sports reasons.

For now the club owners run things and want grade based club teams. I am on the side of US Lacrosse best practices that club lacrosse should be age based to promote safety and equity for the participants, but that is just my argument. There are reasons why ice hockey and soccer are age based for sanctioned non-school competitions, and the winning argument wasn't fairness to make that happen it was safety. The three leading concussion incident rate sports ten years ago were football, soccer and ice hockey. Now it is football, lacrosse and soccer. Soccer has high concussion rates because of head ball collisions and goalies hitting heads on goal posts. Many goalies have started wearing head gear and the sport does debate field player head gear. But the rule to go to age based was safety, get the older versus younger kids issue off the board and do single year age based teams by rule. Ice hockey did this same thing long before soccer for the same reasons, and concussion rates in sanctioned leagues events went down substantially following that.

Lacrosse has two problems. First, growth rate of head injuries and the growth rate of soft tissue injuries at a greater rate of growth than any other sport in the last decade. The first we have to blame on the way the game is played and not the equipment, the second may or may not be a casualty of sports specialization and overuse syndrome injuries. These growth rates are also highest at the youth levels with less physically mature and developed players. Second, we don't know what the growth rate from six months ago is yet because there isn't enough data to make any valid conclusions. The advocates of grade based teams are correct, you can't prove that lacrosse is less safe today because of grade based teams and moreover last year there were age based teams with two year spreads. So the argument that a holdback kid 18 months older is moot since we used to have U-11, U-13 and U-15. Thus grade based teams could not be any less safe than a year ago and according to the birth tables and rules that say you can't reclassify over and over again because players over the age of 19 are not allowed to play high school sports. Just my opinion that those are not BAD arguments, but they are also not GOOD arguments in support of grade based club or recreation lacrosse.

What isn't an opinion but is a fact is that soccer and ice hockey rules bodies realized after pouring over data that single year teams are better than two-year bracket age groups for these youth contact sports and that single year age based teams are best practices. If we can accept soccer and ice hockey as a model -- and some of us again argue against that -- then lacrosse eventually goes that way. Clearly US Lacrosse pushed it and for now the club and recreation leagues pushed back and we have grade based club and recreation lacrosse leagues. For now there isn't injury rate data in yet to denounce the grade based system, and quite possibly with the prior system of two-year spread age based teams it may very well be impossible to have any looking backwards data that says "here, lacrosse is so much more unsafe today over a few years ago"...the best hope for those who want age based is that relative to ice hockey and soccer, that lacrosse is trending higher and higher with head trauma injuries, therefore there is a relative data set to make the argument from. Again just my opinion, but I do see that happening and weakening the grade based system to a point where clubs and recreation leagues will need to go to U-8, U-9, U-10, etc. My argument is that lacrosse is not a large or mature enough sport to come to its own fair bargains, and it also has a very weak governing body in US Lacrosse, so the time it will take to sort this out with safety data versus other comparible head impact trauma risk sports like soccer and ice hockey in the years to come. I don't see this happening anytime soon because the science needs years of data with cases of head injuries to make a different conclusion.

Nicely well thought out. Like you I think a single age base team is best for Lacrosse like soccer. Maryland had no reason not to go age base teams besides accommodating these select group of holdbacks. And in non hotbed areas 2 year age based teams are best. Frankly besides isn't fair play what we constantly teach our kids at the youth level. Once you get to HS it is a different world as it should be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So are the Crabs doing any indoor leagues? (Please stop whining about ages or move it to a different forum)

Everybody will stop whinning when the Crabs stop telling us how good they are with a team that is loaded with holdbacks. It is an issue that the Crabs favor and the majority of lacrosse parents think is unfair at the youth level.

Every club has the same rules. please whine on the Age verification forum.

No Ryan.. The Crabs are the MIAA holdbacks club of choice. Due to you and a few other clubs that get this advantage we have grade based teams instead of a U9,U10,U11, etc.You are the type of person that gives youth sports a reputation of being disgusting to many people not only in the lacrosse sport but many out of sports. When they look at this and see an advantage gained by a select few along with Crabs getting a large share of these holdbacks,, no wonder average joe thinks of sports in a low way. I bet you are one of those that tells non sports people that you honor the game of lacrosse..

Exactly. The Crabs are the holdbacks club of choice. Not necessarily vice versa. Should Crabs not offer these kids spots? Crabs just changed to all grade based teams this year.

Jesus. If your kid can't handle playing against someone 5 months older pull him from lax and let him be a cub scout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So are the Crabs doing any indoor leagues? (Please stop whining about ages or move it to a different forum)

Everybody will stop whinning when the Crabs stop telling us how good they are with a team that is loaded with holdbacks. It is an issue that the Crabs favor and the majority of lacrosse parents think is unfair at the youth level.

Every club has the same rules. please whine on the Age verification forum.

No Ryan.. The Crabs are the MIAA holdbacks club of choice. Due to you and a few other clubs that get this advantage we have grade based teams instead of a U9,U10,U11, etc.You are the type of person that gives youth sports a reputation of being disgusting to many people not only in the lacrosse sport but many out of sports. When they look at this and see an advantage gained by a select few along with Crabs getting a large share of these holdbacks,, no wonder average joe thinks of sports in a low way. I bet you are one of those that tells non sports people that you honor the game of lacrosse..

Exactly. The Crabs are the holdbacks club of choice. Not necessarily vice versa. Should Crabs not offer these kids spots? Crabs just changed to all grade based teams this year.

Jesus. If your kid can't handle playing against someone 5 months older pull him from lax and let him be a cub scout.

It is vice a versa..Are you that dense?? Crabs along with a couple other clubs were the major proponents of going grade base. Now follow this, that means that they want the holdbacks and were expecting them.

Your point is well taken that the Crabs were doing just fine with age based teams. But in last few years there has been an explosion in the amount of better quality teams like the Crabs. Crabs have a great reputation and are the club of choice for many MIAA kids. Going Grade base gives Crabs an upper hand in teams with the older kids at U13 and below. Pretty easy to see why Ryan would want grade base.If not grade base Crabs are competing for same age players and there are many more options at youth level than Crabs.

Lacrosse could use a few cub scouts but Scouts would change it back to age base. They think competition should be on an equal playing field, not letting a select group of kids get an advantage.

Ok let me ask everyone a question? When your son was being recurited did they ask for his birthday anytime during the process? I am thinking they do. I think the college scouts are smart enough to tell if a kid is good or just older. And if they are not they will learn to be if they get burned enough. So I do not think its that big of a advantage. The safety issue I can see. But the only real way to fix that at the youth level is do weight ins like football. I have seen kids way young be way huge. I have seen kids play lacrosse because they where to big to play youth football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok let me ask everyone a question? When your son was being recurited did they ask for his birthday anytime during the process? I am thinking they do. I think the college scouts are smart enough to tell if a kid is good or just older. And if they are not they will learn to be if they get burned enough. So I do not think its that big of a advantage. The safety issue I can see. But the only real way to fix that at the youth level is do weight ins like football. I have seen kids way young be way huge. I have seen kids play lacrosse because they where to big to play youth football.

We were never asked about a birth date and it was never mentioned in our recruiting experience with a 2017. Our 2017 is not a holdback. One school did suggest reclassifying and we shot that down immediately because he is a good student. That no coach asked also does not impress much on me since the recruiting process always begins with an online recruit info sheet which includes grades, scores d.o.b among other things. I don't think college coaches really care if these kids are 15 or 25 as HS freshmen.

Why would any club owner or league director have a problem with birth year teams? It is the easiest and most simple thing to implement and follow, and it doesn't interfere with anyone's appetites to reclassify and play prep school lacrosse as a year older kid in a grade. A 16 year old can still be a 2018, but he will play U-16 for club. That creates a crisis for the kid ?!?

If NCAA coaches want kids older, an age based club system won't stop them from going after kids who repeat middle school grades, do a post grad boarding school year. Or fancy this, why don't all these kids and NCAA coaches who agree they need to be a year bigger, stronger or whatever just go to college and redshirt a year at the parental expense? Lacrosse scholarships aren't much $$$ anyways. What would make your son a better lacrosse player, being a 19 year old HS senior beating down on 15 and 16 year olds or being a 19 year old college program redshirt practice player? In terms of the best lacrosse decision it is the second.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok let me ask everyone a question? When your son was being recurited did they ask for his birthday anytime during the process? I am thinking they do. I think the college scouts are smart enough to tell if a kid is good or just older. And if they are not they will learn to be if they get burned enough. So I do not think its that big of a advantage. The safety issue I can see. But the only real way to fix that at the youth level is do weight ins like football. I have seen kids way young be way huge. I have seen kids play lacrosse because they where to big to play youth football.

We were never asked about a birth date and it was never mentioned in our recruiting experience with a 2017. Our 2017 is not a holdback. One school did suggest reclassifying and we shot that down immediately because he is a good student. That no coach asked also does not impress much on me since the recruiting process always begins with an online recruit info sheet which includes grades, scores d.o.b among other things. I don't think college coaches really care if these kids are 15 or 25 as HS freshmen.

Son is a 2018, had 4 visits, 2 more to come and has 3 offers.
NOT ONE ASKED HIS AGE!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok let me ask everyone a question? When your son was being recurited did they ask for his birthday anytime during the process? I am thinking they do. I think the college scouts are smart enough to tell if a kid is good or just older. And if they are not they will learn to be if they get burned enough. So I do not think its that big of a advantage. The safety issue I can see. But the only real way to fix that at the youth level is do weight ins like football. I have seen kids way young be way huge. I have seen kids play lacrosse because they where to big to play youth football.

We were never asked about a birth date and it was never mentioned in our recruiting experience with a 2017. Our 2017 is not a holdback. One school did suggest reclassifying and we shot that down immediately because he is a good student. That no coach asked also does not impress much on me since the recruiting process always begins with an online recruit info sheet which includes grades, scores d.o.b among other things. I don't think college coaches really care if these kids are 15 or 25 as HS freshmen.

Son is a 2018, had 4 visits, 2 more to come and has 3 offers.
NOT ONE ASKED HIS AGE!!!!!

My 2024 had 5 visits, 3 more to come and has 4 offers. Nobody asked his age, but twice we were asked if he likes Skittles more than M&Ms. UVa players took him to Dave & Busters. It was awesome!!!!!

College coaches actually prefer them being older.
THEY don't have to red shirt them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok let me ask everyone a question? When your son was being recurited did they ask for his birthday anytime during the process? I am thinking they do. I think the college scouts are smart enough to tell if a kid is good or just older. And if they are not they will learn to be if they get burned enough. So I do not think its that big of a advantage. The safety issue I can see. But the only real way to fix that at the youth level is do weight ins like football. I have seen kids way young be way huge. I have seen kids play lacrosse because they where to big to play youth football.

We were never asked about a birth date and it was never mentioned in our recruiting experience with a 2017. Our 2017 is not a holdback. One school did suggest reclassifying and we shot that down immediately because he is a good student. That no coach asked also does not impress much on me since the recruiting process always begins with an online recruit info sheet which includes grades, scores d.o.b among other things. I don't think college coaches really care if these kids are 15 or 25 as HS freshmen.

Son is a 2018, had 4 visits, 2 more to come and has 3 offers.
NOT ONE ASKED HIS AGE!!!!!

My 2024 had 5 visits, 3 more to come and has 4 offers. Nobody asked his age, but twice we were asked if he likes Skittles more than M&Ms. UVa players took him to Dave & Busters. It was awesome!!!!!

Really I wanted to get real answers thanks for the guy who answered my question. As for the Jerk and the Skittles joke guy be happy your son made the high school team maybe he will letter?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok let me ask everyone a question? When your son was being recurited did they ask for his birthday anytime during the process? I am thinking they do. I think the college scouts are smart enough to tell if a kid is good or just older. And if they are not they will learn to be if they get burned enough. So I do not think its that big of a advantage. The safety issue I can see. But the only real way to fix that at the youth level is do weight ins like football. I have seen kids way young be way huge. I have seen kids play lacrosse because they where to big to play youth football.

We were never asked about a birth date and it was never mentioned in our recruiting experience with a 2017. Our 2017 is not a holdback. One school did suggest reclassifying and we shot that down immediately because he is a good student. That no coach asked also does not impress much on me since the recruiting process always begins with an online recruit info sheet which includes grades, scores d.o.b among other things. I don't think college coaches really care if these kids are 15 or 25 as HS freshmen.

Son is a 2018, had 4 visits, 2 more to come and has 3 offers.
NOT ONE ASKED HIS AGE!!!!!

My 2024 had 5 visits, 3 more to come and has 4 offers. Nobody asked his age, but twice we were asked if he likes Skittles more than M&Ms. UVa players took him to Dave & Busters. It was awesome!!!!!

Really I wanted to get real answers thanks for the guy who answered my question. As for the Jerk and the Skittles joke guy be happy your son made the high school team maybe he will letter?

Lighten up. Pretty sure he was not being an [lacrosse] about the original question. Think he was responding to the poster who seems to be most proud of his 2018 with 3 offers.

What are the details of the Nike deal with Crabs? Free stuff or the typical Under Armour deal where families pay wholesale prices for swag. Our son's program did a UA deal like that and the only freebie is a camps or clinics pinnie. Is this a deal that feeds VLC too? The real treasure trove is events, does this make Crabs a partner in Nike showcase events and tournaments? If that is the case, this is a war to the death between the brands Adrenaline/West Coast Starz vs. Nike/Crabs on the events side. Anyone close enough to know the details?

Crabs deal is a discount apparel arrangement. Same deal Nike gives high schools and some private club programs in soccer. Not a big deal really except for the public relations flair. If other clubs want a $30 wicking t-shirt for $18 they can get them at a Nike outlet store and iron on the club logo. Typical Ryan McClernan, you'd think this was bigger than Ohio State's deal from the twitter traffic.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Thanks for the inside info Phil Knight. Keep trying to tear down something you secretly admire. Maybe your kid will make the Crabs next year, nah...probably not.)quote=Anonymous]Crabs deal is a discount apparel arrangement. Same deal Nike gives high schools and some private club programs in soccer. Not a big deal really except for the public relations flair. If other clubs want a $30 wicking t-shirt for $18 they can get them at a Nike outlet store and iron on the club logo. Typical Ryan McClernan, you'd think this was bigger than Ohio State's deal from the twitter traffic. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[Thanks for the inside info Phil Knight. Keep trying to tear down something you secretly admire. Maybe your kid will make the Crabs next year, nah...probably not.)quote=Anonymous]Crabs deal is a discount apparel arrangement. Same deal Nike gives high schools and some private club programs in soccer. Not a big deal really except for the public relations flair. If other clubs want a $30 wicking t-shirt for $18 they can get them at a Nike outlet store and iron on the club logo. Typical Ryan McClernan, you'd think this was bigger than Ohio State's deal from the twitter traffic.

[/quote]

You're welcome Ryan, and no thanks. Our kid very happy at his club team. Good luck using an apparel discount deal to prop your dying influence in the industry up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have no idea what you are talking about.

If the details were in Crabs interests to brag about they'd brag about it. Kind of pathetic for a club to pump its own tires over getting a good price on t shirts

As far as lacrosse club visibility is concerned, the crabs have to be at or near the top. If Nike wants to influence the lacrosse kids, they really could not have picked a more visible platform for their ads and products. I don't see what there is to argue or complain about. I just hope the $ spreads to other clubs to bring my costs down.

My son now plays for Crabs and Coach Ryan.
We came over from a competitor.

The personal attacks are so far off base, it's not even funny.

He could not be more helpful, classy and just great to be around.

He really cares about the kids.

Merry Christmas to ALL!!!!!!!

Interesting no crabs on Ty's 2018 top list. I guess there has been a falling out or that is a weak year for the crabs.

Ty is too busy kissing Philly and Long Island [lacrosse].

Dukes has a ton of commits

Can't beast Crabs.

Crabs have 3 commits
A ton more getting close.

Not a weak year. You will see....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son now plays for Crabs and Coach Ryan.
We came over from a competitor.

The personal attacks are so far off base, it's not even funny.

He could not be more helpful, classy and just great to be around.

He really cares about the kids.

Merry Christmas to ALL!!!!!!!

I was nice to my wife the first year we were married

Enjoy the community college swag.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son now plays for Crabs and Coach Ryan.
We came over from a competitor.

The personal attacks are so far off base, it's not even funny.

He could not be more helpful, classy and just great to be around.

He really cares about the kids.

Merry Christmas to ALL!!!!!!!

I was nice to my wife the first year we were married

Funny.

Well, if your son is a good player and is marketable to colleges you may have a good experience. Don't speak for everyone. McClernan's reputation for being classless and treating kids like garbage on the way out is well known and has repeated again and again over the years. Hope your son doesn't break is arm skateboarding a month before fall tryouts and can't attend tryouts, so there goes his spot. What he cares about above all else is himself and his status, and if this statement were incorrect you would not be reading up on the countless negative experiences.

Curious..Is there any soccer forums, baseball forums, football forums, that discuss a sport in Baltimore like lacrosse.
Most of the clubs have some remarks made about them,, and Crabs, Madlax, Breakers, etc,etc have many remarks?
Is there another sport in Balt with this much detail at youth level online and in forums?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, if your son is a good player and is marketable to colleges you may have a good experience. Don't speak for everyone. McClernan's reputation for being classless and treating kids like garbage on the way out is well known and has repeated again and again over the years. Hope your son doesn't break is arm skateboarding a month before fall tryouts and can't attend tryouts, so there goes his spot. What he cares about above all else is himself and his status, and if this statement were incorrect you would not be reading up on the countless negative experiences.

Bitter bitter bitter ...
Bet you never played past jv

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, if your son is a good player and is marketable to colleges you may have a good experience. Don't speak for everyone. McClernan's reputation for being classless and treating kids like garbage on the way out is well known and has repeated again and again over the years. Hope your son doesn't break is arm skateboarding a month before fall tryouts and can't attend tryouts, so there goes his spot. What he cares about above all else is himself and his status, and if this statement were incorrect you would not be reading up on the countless negative experiences.

Bitter bitter bitter ...
Bet you never played past jv

Sounds like Breakers or FCA material...

Get over yourself. Worst kept secret in Maryland is McClernan is a bully and a big baby when people don't kiss his arse and roll over and play dead for him. His teams never ever lost games until 4 years ago, and now they they are one of several teams that compete to win tournaments. Madlax 2018s get the better of his team, so do FCA. Why do you think this trend continues that other clubs get stronger and Crabs get weaker each year? Look at the doormat VLC became since he took it over two years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get over yourself. Worst kept secret in Maryland is McClernan is a bully and a big baby when people don't kiss his arse and roll over and play dead for him. His teams never ever lost games until 4 years ago, and now they they are one of several teams that compete to win tournaments. Madlax 2018s get the better of his team, so do FCA. Why do you think this trend continues that other clubs get stronger and Crabs get weaker each year? Look at the doormat VLC became since he took it over two years ago.

Wishful thinking, your still chasing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have 3 commits
A ton more getting close.

Not a weak year. You will see....

Hey, ungrateful quitter. Good morning.

My son plays for Crabs 2018.

Beat Madlax and FCA handily..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get over yourself. Worst kept secret in Maryland is McClernan is a bully and a big baby when people don't kiss his arse and roll over and play dead for him. His teams never ever lost games until 4 years ago, and now they they are one of several teams that compete to win tournaments. Madlax 2018s get the better of his team, so do FCA. Why do you think this trend continues that other clubs get stronger and Crabs get weaker each year? Look at the doormat VLC became since he took it over two years ago.

1. Madlax 2018 got beat badly that last time they face the Crabs. Their OT win last year was a fluke.

2. VLC became much stronger after Crabs bought them. They have more college commits than anyone in the DMV (and Crabs continue to have the most in the Mid-Atlantic).

3. Lacrosse is everywhere not so powerhouse clubs like Crabs and Duke's aren't as dominant as they used to be. That's not headline news. But the Crabs are still one of the top clubs in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs 2018.

Beat Madlax and FCA handily..

..they lost to both of them also

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs 2018.

Beat Madlax and FCA handily..

..they lost to both of them also

So we have 2 jerkoffs proving a point that any one of several youth clubs around the country can beat each other on any given day. Thanks for providing the obvious.

The fact you guys care about the final score cracks me up. It's about being seen for 9th graders.

Pretty pathetic that in this sport the coaches, parents and other adults actually teach that kids shouldn't care about team, team performance or being a good teammate and should never care about competing to win. Pretty soon prep school teams will talk about how it is no big deal winning their conference or beating their rivals because it is all about being the team with the most commits. I'd rather have my kid look back someday and say he played on championship teams and made all-american. The fact that you are enough of a loser to post that pretty much tells me you never did anything in a sport because nobody who did would write such a thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact you guys care about the final score cracks me up. It's about being seen for 9th graders.

I am sure you really lit it up at the 6th grade spelling bee and then again in the middle school floor hockey league. You and McClernan should have a pizza eating contest to get seen and noticed. Loser.

Really these teams have tryouts 2 to 3 times a year. And 90% of the kids play for there local or school teams thats where winning and team sucess matters. These teams are like the Pro Bowl in football. And one of the biggest parts of being seen is being a team player and the Scouts look and see that. But for us to come on here and agrue over which team is better is a joke. The turnover is nutts for all these teams. They should play to win the games but to act like if the Crabs go 15-0 or 14-1 the kids will be less offers is nuts. All the team sites talk about getting your kid to the next level not winning medels.

Winning is more fun. Print it.

Show me a kid who does not care about winning, or has been urged not to by his parents or coaches, and I will thank you and move down the list of kids to recruit. The ones you want have ability and passion to win. Need both. Nothing worse than a kid obsessed with individual accolades on a team.

Winning isnt everything..it is the only thing! Print that

What are the odds of my kid that made the 2022 crabs team still bring on the same team when in highschool. Is it better to play for crabs at younger age or older ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the odds of my kid that made the 2022 crabs team still bring on the same team when in highschool. Is it better to play for crabs at younger age or older ages.

About the same as any pro athlete making the all star team 4 to 7 times in a row.

I never said winning is not important and the kids do want to win with everthing they got. But as a parent of lets say a goalie who is the 5th best in the state of maryland. And there is the 1st ranke goalie playing for the Crabs do you have your son play for the crabs? or do you play for the Hawks.....etc?

Its better to play for the Crabs as long as you can. And you are hitting the field while playing for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its better to play for the Crabs as long as you can. And you are hitting the field while playing for them.

Crabs haven't been working with the younger kids for long. It will be interesting to see if they put as much into development and practices as other clubs, or just focus on recruiting and visibility like with the older kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the odds of my kid that made the 2022 crabs team still bring on the same team when in highschool. Is it better to play for crabs at younger age or older ages.

Unless he is a holdback from 1st grade he will probably get bumped later by a reclassify or holdback later. Odds are against you with Crabs unless you are older.

Man all this talk of holdbacks over and over again. I was never thinking about holding my son back, but after hearing over and over again about it I think I am going to go fill the paper work out today.
LOL

Of the 21 kids that played for the Crabs 2018 U13 team two seasons ago - only 7 of them are on the current 2018 team. Approximately 7 of last year's 2018 U15 Crabs are repeating U15 again this year and are now 2019 players for the Crabs. The Crabs jettison and reload because they can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the odds of my kid that made the 2022 crabs team still bring on the same team when in highschool. Is it better to play for crabs at younger age or older ages.

If we play the Crabs next summer (2018 teams), our coach is going to suggest that we play half of the game with the teams as they are and the other half of the game only with kids born after 9/1/99.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we play the Crabs next summer (2018 teams), our coach is going to suggest that we play half of the game with the teams as they are and the other half of the game only with kids born after 9/1/99.

If you're a parent of a HS freshman and your kid is on a club team playing in top tier events that include teams like the Crabs, then it's time to stop obsessing about the birthdates of kids in the same grade. I'm not associated with crabs or parent of holdback. Your whining is contagious to your kids

[quote=Anonymous]Man all this talk of holdbacks over and over again. I was never thinking about holding my son back, but after hearing over and over again about it I think I am going to go fill the paper work out today.
LOL [/quote

While you find it LOL, It is big part of the Crabs and MIAA schools now. Any roster of Crabs or MIAA HS teams will have many players heldback. While redshirting in college and the occasional child held back has always been around, this epidemic now of children held back in kindergarten, 8th grade, etc is completely out of control. All in the name of getting ahead.

If your son is a goalie, this may seem contrarian but it is best to have him with a program that has goalie position coaching. How good the team is in front of him can also be a liability. Some club teams are so dynamite the goalies only see 3-4 shots a game and that makes nearly impossible for them to develop in game situations and to show out well when they get to a recruiting age. Being on the best team can in some ways be the worst thing for a goalie.

Do the kids crave being held back a grade, or is it something parents decide for their kids to get them noticed in a sport?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the kids crave being held back a grade, or is it something parents decide for their kids to get them noticed in a sport?

it's the parents of course

Can apply to kids on the defensive side of the field also. A very good team with dominate FOG / middies & attack can make things very boring on the defensive side of the field. There are some advantages to playing on lesser team and being challenged more often. Ample opportunities to shine defensively against stronger teams. mak

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your son is a goalie, this may seem contrarian but it is best to have him with a program that has goalie position coaching. How good the team is in front of him can also be a liability. Some club teams are so dynamite the goalies only see 3-4 shots a game and that makes nearly impossible for them to develop in game situations and to show out well when they get to a recruiting age. Being on the best team can in some ways be the worst thing for a goalie.

So like I said the player will and should want to win. But as parents you have to be smart and put them on a team thats best for them and the skills/postion. So full circle winning is not the most important thing for the player/parent. Wanting to win playing to WIN yes important going 15-0 compared to 13-2 or 8-8 all the same if its the best for your child / teen.

As the father of a goalie, I would like my son to practice against the best... if the team he is on is good, he likely is seeing good shots from the best in practice. Practice and training is where you get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the kids crave being held back a grade, or is it something parents decide for their kids to get them noticed in a sport?

it's the parents of course

one of 3d's parrot heads tweeted about a 6'4, 220lb pole from Edge lacrosse.

he is a 2019.

God above, what is wrong with us? I have a son in that grade who is normal size for a 13 year old 8th grader and for safety reasons alone would be horrified to put him out there against this kid. No wait, that would make me a sissy, right?

The new rules will protect your 2019, even if the Cascade R won't......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The new rules will protect your 2019, even if the Cascade R won't......

What new rules? The one where Jack in the bean stalk hands out beans on the sidelines to the normal 13 year olds to consume so they can magically grow enough to be safe on the field. Did you mean this as some form of a joke? Ohio State started 7 skill position players smaller than 6'4 220 lbs last night, and Oregon started 8.

It might be time for Canadian juniors to become a professional league. Honestly, just have the 15, 16 year old savants in this sport go pro and do time at some whatever Canadian parochial school like St. Cats. And the NCAA could not make them ineligible either...BOX lacrosse can be defined as a different sport than FIELD lacrosse. And the new Big 5 rules will soon eventually mean that kids can earn some income from their sport up to certain monetary limits which would be offset against any stipends given to the "amateur" NCAA athletes.

Seriously, what about a professional minor league for lacrosse players? Instead of this reclassified racket, just cut through all the hypocrisy of they are going to this or that prep school for an education primarily and ship them off to a juniors professional league. The ringers can play at a high level to prepare for some career in lacrosse be that college, NLL, MLL, LXM or whatever. Then my kid can play with kids his age, have fun and call it a day when he finishes playing high school. Everybody happier that way?

Settle down. It's not that big of a deal, dad. Get some looser panties.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Settle down. It's not that big of a deal, dad. Get some looser panties.

Get some size 48s for yourself Ryan. Yeah, no big deal when there are 6'4 220lb 16 year old 8th graders out there playing in 2019 tournaments. Nothing to see there, keep moving.

I have watched 100s of lacrosse games at these tournaments. There is one big hit a day not game. And it comes from some little kid running full speed into a pile and hitting someone he was not even aiming for. The big poles on D you are so scared of do push the smaller kids to the ground but as for a real hit 1 a day. And most of the biggest kids are so scared to hit anyone because they get flagged before they breath on a smaller kid. Do not worry a dad or mom like you will be yelling to the refs the big kid is playing to rough way before someone gets hurt.

The funny part is that, with Edge, it will be 6'4 220lb 16 year old 9TH graders out there playing in 2019 tournaments.

Why are the Crabs allowing the Edge organization to play in Young Gunz this year knowing that this is what they do with their teams especially 2019, 2020 and 2021? Sure way to bring the tournament down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Crabs allowing the Edge organization to play in Young Gunz this year knowing that this is what they do with their teams especially 2019, 2020 and 2021? Sure way to bring the tournament down.

Not sure it is fair to isolate criticism against Crabs when pretty much all the tournament vendors like Adrenaline, NXT, and 3d are equally ambivalent. And whomever the idiot is who posted he watches 100s of games and there are few "big hits" in terms of checks, yeah, we all know that. What you also see is a lot of physical contact on GBs, face-off wing play, and picks. Picks can be vicious collisions when a shrimp sized 13 year old runs his helmet straight into the chest padding of say a 6'4 220lb 18 grader who is 16 years old. Maybe you're getting older and your attention span isn't holding up so well watching those 100s of games because I can't make it through a Saturday tournament without throwing up in my mouth over the size and age inequities on the field. If these Canadian kids are so farm tough, what are they afraid of exactly? Playing kids their same age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Crabs allowing the Edge organization to play in Young Gunz this year knowing that this is what they do with their teams especially 2019, 2020 and 2021? Sure way to bring the tournament down.

Not sure it is fair to isolate criticism against Crabs when pretty much all the tournament vendors like Adrenaline, NXT, and 3d are equally ambivalent. And whomever the idiot is who posted he watches 100s of games and there are few "big hits" in terms of checks, yeah, we all know that. What you also see is a lot of physical contact on GBs, face-off wing play, and picks. Picks can be vicious collisions when a shrimp sized 13 year old runs his helmet straight into the chest padding of say a 6'4 220lb 18 grader who is 16 years old. Maybe you're getting older and your attention span isn't holding up so well watching those 100s of games because I can't make it through a Saturday tournament without throwing up in my mouth over the size and age inequities on the field. If these Canadian kids are so farm tough, what are they afraid of exactly? Playing kids their same age?

Not trying to criticize Crabs but this is a Crabs thread. All promoters do seem to allow it but Crabs holds itself as being a premier tourney sponsor - not one of the take all teams tournaments. They could easily set an example and then fill that spot with a talented team but instead they are choosing to allow Edge to play when they know the deal. Agree 100% that when you watch these huge kids setting picks and headhunting etc., you could do nothing but agree it is a safety issue. Hoping Crabs takes the first step and says no and takes it a bit further and does real grade/age verification for their tournaments.

LOL at the ubiquitous sightings of a 6'4", 220lb 8th grader on this thread.

Hyperbole much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL at the ubiquitous sightings of a 6'4", 220lb 8th grader on this thread.

Hyperbole much?

Look at Casey Vock's tweet today with a link to the 2019 Edge player...who is a 6'4 220lb 8th grader. Hyperbole not so much.

Ok do we know this kids birthday or are we just assuming he is a re class kid? I would of hated to be Shaqs parents, they must have to carry his birth records everywhere they go. Which I would do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok do we know this kids birthday or are we just assuming he is a re class kid? I would of hated to be Shaqs parents, they must have to carry his birth records everywhere they go. Which I would do.

Look at the Age Verification forum. There are actual screen shots from Edge's website that indicate they want 2018 for 2019 team, 2019 for 2020 etc. as well as an ongoing discussion about how their teams are a full year older than their grad year. Their reasoning is that the kids are going to do a PG year when they finish high school so they are prepping them for college. If you have ever played the Edge 2019 team, you would understand further complicated by their style of play encouraged by their coaches because they know they are significantly bigger.

I have played them and I do recall them being older now you mention it. They beat us pretty good. But I am a learn more from losing kind of guy. And as long as all the teams we played that day where not bigger and older I was cool with my kid getting beat around a little.

It's all cool until someone gets a concussion . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have played them and I do recall them being older now you mention it. They beat us pretty good. But I am a learn more from losing kind of guy. And as long as all the teams we played that day where not bigger and older I was cool with my kid getting beat around a little.

I think this is more of a safety issue than a competitive one. I have one son who was always a strong player and was played up whenever possible, so we made that decision. Our next son isn't nearly as early advanced in terms of size or his skill, and we have never pushed him to play up or has he ever been invited to play up. When his team takes the field against Edge, and this club and Canadian clubs fully advantage the system and EVERY kid on the team is older because that is their overt strategy to gain an advantage. Now, Canadian kids are generally ones who do not apply to American colleges with competitive academic credentials, and it is nothing new that sports is a passport to get a degree from an American college. I do believe that with Canadians the dream is an Amercian college degree and scholarship first, and then the prestige of an NCAA sport second, so I am less brutal on them as a herd of older kids than this lame Baltimore way of doing it only for sports. Just my opinion. Also my opinion is I am bothered one of my sons plays on a field with kids who are so much bigger and mature that is is a safety issue for my wife and I. That is the thing I do not like. Give me the discretion to put my sons out there with older kids if they can hang and are not at an unacceptable safety risk. Do not take that discretion away from me and force me to put a son out there with kids who are unacceptably bigger and more mature because there is this new discretion to "play down". I like all of the life lessons in sports, and competing hard and sometimes losing, and losing with the grace of a sportsman is very important. Frankly, playing down to me is just cowering and showing at some level a lack of competitive spirit and respect for the sportsmanship that should be a part of lacrosse, but is lost now in the club game. Another issue is a kid who plays up grows a confidence a kid who plays down can never attain. At some levels your held back kids will eventually -- and should -- feel their accomplishments are lessened because of the playing down asterisk. In sports there has always been a disgust for drug cheats. The age gaming is becoming a second loathed thing and I do not see that as unfair. If my kid asked me to reclassify I would say no. I would tell him college lacrosse like high school lacrosse is a fun thing to do and say you did, but it in reality it only adds a few more years to playing a kids' game. Most lacrosse parents crazed on this never played a sport in college, and if they did at a high Division 1 level I doubt they would be this irrational to push it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's all cool until someone gets a concussion . . .

Agreed...there is the usual contact but not with this team. Last year, an opposing team had two concussions in one game and another team in another game had a broken arm- all from excessive roughness. Playing a more challenging team is good for kids. Playing kids who are well into manhood when the other team has not hit puberty is just dangerous and promoters should be asking for verification of grade/age from all teams rather than turning their backs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have played them and I do recall them being older now you mention it. They beat us pretty good. But I am a learn more from losing kind of guy. And as long as all the teams we played that day where not bigger and older I was cool with my kid getting beat around a little.

I think this is more of a safety issue than a competitive one. I have one son who was always a strong player and was played up whenever possible, so we made that decision. Our next son isn't nearly as early advanced in terms of size or his skill, and we have never pushed him to play up or has he ever been invited to play up. When his team takes the field against Edge, and this club and Canadian clubs fully advantage the system and EVERY kid on the team is older because that is their overt strategy to gain an advantage. Now, Canadian kids are generally ones who do not apply to American colleges with competitive academic credentials, and it is nothing new that sports is a passport to get a degree from an American college. I do believe that with Canadians the dream is an Amercian college degree and scholarship first, and then the prestige of an NCAA sport second, so I am less brutal on them as a herd of older kids than this lame Baltimore way of doing it only for sports. Just my opinion. Also my opinion is I am bothered one of my sons plays on a field with kids who are so much bigger and mature that is is a safety issue for my wife and I. That is the thing I do not like. Give me the discretion to put my sons out there with older kids if they can hang and are not at an unacceptable safety risk. Do not take that discretion away from me and force me to put a son out there with kids who are unacceptably bigger and more mature because there is this new discretion to "play down". I like all of the life lessons in sports, and competing hard and sometimes losing, and losing with the grace of a sportsman is very important. Frankly, playing down to me is just cowering and showing at some level a lack of competitive spirit and respect for the sportsmanship that should be a part of lacrosse, but is lost now in the club game. Another issue is a kid who plays up grows a confidence a kid who plays down can never attain. At some levels your held back kids will eventually -- and should -- feel their accomplishments are lessened because of the playing down asterisk. In sports there has always been a disgust for drug cheats. The age gaming is becoming a second loathed thing and I do not see that as unfair. If my kid asked me to reclassify I would say no. I would tell him college lacrosse like high school lacrosse is a fun thing to do and say you did, but it in reality it only adds a few more years to playing a kids' game. Most lacrosse parents crazed on this never played a sport in college, and if they did at a high Division 1 level I doubt they would be this irrational to push it.

Well said!

I guess this is another question for everyone who loves there club owners and they all can do no wrong. If they have your kids best intrest at heart why are they not pulling out and saying we will not play these older "cheating" teams. I think that might be the bigger questions. As for your kid at risk of getting hurt you should pull him from the game and or team. You are the parent and its your child. So they might be cheaters but you are all chickens for not pulling your sons if there is a real fear on your part.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess this is another question for everyone who loves there club owners and they all can do no wrong. If they have your kids best intrest at heart why are they not pulling out and saying we will not play these older "cheating" teams. I think that might be the bigger questions. As for your kid at risk of getting hurt you should pull him from the game and or team. You are the parent and its your child. So they might be cheaters but you are all chickens for not pulling your sons if there is a real fear on your part.

Everything our country was founded on. That should be on our money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have played them and I do recall them being older now you mention it. They beat us pretty good. But I am a learn more from losing kind of guy. And as long as all the teams we played that day where not bigger and older I was cool with my kid getting beat around a little.

I think this is more of a safety issue than a competitive one. I have one son who was always a strong player and was played up whenever possible, so we made that decision. Our next son isn't nearly as early advanced in terms of size or his skill, and we have never pushed him to play up or has he ever been invited to play up. When his team takes the field against Edge, and this club and Canadian clubs fully advantage the system and EVERY kid on the team is older because that is their overt strategy to gain an advantage. Now, Canadian kids are generally ones who do not apply to American colleges with competitive academic credentials, and it is nothing new that sports is a passport to get a degree from an American college. I do believe that with Canadians the dream is an Amercian college degree and scholarship first, and then the prestige of an NCAA sport second, so I am less brutal on them as a herd of older kids than this lame Baltimore way of doing it only for sports. Just my opinion. Also my opinion is I am bothered one of my sons plays on a field with kids who are so much bigger and mature that is is a safety issue for my wife and I. That is the thing I do not like. Give me the discretion to put my sons out there with older kids if they can hang and are not at an unacceptable safety risk. Do not take that discretion away from me and force me to put a son out there with kids who are unacceptably bigger and more mature because there is this new discretion to "play down".

I find the Canadians of playing the entire team down while in an older grade more disgusting than the disgusting way Balt has holdbacks at Kindergarten and 8th grade . With MD teams at least the whole team isn't playing down. Both should be playing at their age until HS. I still have a hard time understanding how these Canadians teams get away with this. This is outrageous!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have played them and I do recall them being older now you mention it. They beat us pretty good. But I am a learn more from losing kind of guy. And as long as all the teams we played that day where not bigger and older I was cool with my kid getting beat around a little.

I think this is more of a safety issue than a competitive one. I have one son who was always a strong player and was played up whenever possible, so we made that decision. Our next son isn't nearly as early advanced in terms of size or his skill, and we have never pushed him to play up or has he ever been invited to play up. When his team takes the field against Edge, and this club and Canadian clubs fully advantage the system and EVERY kid on the team is older because that is their overt strategy to gain an advantage. Now, Canadian kids are generally ones who do not apply to American colleges with competitive academic credentials, and it is nothing new that sports is a passport to get a degree from an American college. I do believe that with Canadians the dream is an Amercian college degree and scholarship first, and then the prestige of an NCAA sport second, so I am less brutal on them as a herd of older kids than this lame Baltimore way of doing it only for sports. Just my opinion. Also my opinion is I am bothered one of my sons plays on a field with kids who are so much bigger and mature that is is a safety issue for my wife and I. That is the thing I do not like. Give me the discretion to put my sons out there with older kids if they can hang and are not at an unacceptable safety risk. Do not take that discretion away from me and force me to put a son out there with kids who are unacceptably bigger and more mature because there is this new discretion to "play down". I like all of the life lessons in sports, and competing hard and sometimes losing, and losing with the grace of a sportsman is very important. Frankly, playing down to me is just cowering and showing at some level a lack of competitive spirit and respect for the sportsmanship that should be a part of lacrosse, but is lost now in the club game. Another issue is a kid who plays up grows a confidence a kid who plays down can never attain. At some levels your held back kids will eventually -- and should -- feel their accomplishments are lessened because of the playing down asterisk. In sports there has always been a disgust for drug cheats. The age gaming is becoming a second loathed thing and I do not see that as unfair. If my kid asked me to reclassify I would say no. I would tell him college lacrosse like high school lacrosse is a fun thing to do and say you did, but it in reality it only adds a few more years to playing a kids' game. Most lacrosse parents crazed on this never played a sport in college, and if they did at a high Division 1 level I doubt they would be this irrational to push it.

Well said!

Agreed, very well said. Sadly, it is the attorneys who will resolve this issue. And benefit from it. I would be very concerned if I was a club owner, tournament director or investor in a program like 3d. They have significant exposure.
BTW, I heard Dewey, Screwem and Howe LLP is sponsoring a team in the next 3d event. Bunch of smart, liberal trial attorney's kids. Not big or athletic, but age appropriate. Watch out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess this is another question for everyone who loves there club owners and they all can do no wrong. If they have your kids best intrest at heart why are they not pulling out and saying we will not play these older "cheating" teams. I think that might be the bigger questions. As for your kid at risk of getting hurt you should pull him from the game and or team. You are the parent and its your child. So they might be cheaters but you are all chickens for not pulling your sons if there is a real fear on your part.

I'm the prior poster you replied to. I guess you are right, there is always the option of pulling a son out of a sport for fear of safety. Consider the equity in that statement though. My younger son will not play varsity as a freshman and is very unlikely to play more than club level lacrosse in college, but he has made great friends playing on a lacrosse team and he enjoys it. He would be worse off emotionally and self esteem wise if we pulled him out of lacrosse and told him to pick something else. He hates baseball and swimming, and I think would always resent being pulled away. But if there is a mercenary mentality that this is lacrosse, so get on or get off the bus the point is not going to be negotiable.

Does anyone on this board think that is just the way it goes, and too bad for a kid like this? Sure there is no rule yet against the Canadians assembling full play down teams, and there isn't a rule against gaming the grade based system for middle school aged kids in Maryland. And now the plain bottom line is families are in full "son needs to get noticed" recruiting mode prep in 7th grade now that kids are being recruited as 8th graders. There is a kid on my son's club 2019 team who is already making visits to colleges and this is not even into his 8th grade spring NPYLL league season. What about the middle school kids who would like to play for enjoyment and are humble and mature enough (or at least moreso than their parents) to know their chances of playing college lacrosse are low?

As parents are any of you really ok with a sport system where if you have a problem with your 12-13 year old son getting mauled by kids materially older, more mature and bigger then you should just leave and do something another sport?

Constructive comments most welcome. I am not trying to sell something, just trying to make a good decision for my son.

For the people of privilege the unfairness of it does not resonate. The private school / country clubers want little Johnny to hopefully play HS and college lacrosse by any means necessary!

I believe the vast majority of parents are absolutely not ok with this growing epidemic. The fact that U.S. Lacrosse is remaining totally silent on the issue, is emblematic of how toothless the organization is. Their defense is that they cannot control what parents or tournament organizations do. Though true, it does not prevent USL from coming out with strong guidelines on single year, age based competition. A prior poster has it correct, what will stem this tide are the attorneys. Unfortunately a kid will get badly injured and the parents will sue tthe holdback's parents, the team, organization, tournament director and most importantly, U.S. Lacrosse. Then we'll see how quickly things change. It's a sad realization that it's not child safety that will alter the playing field, it is money.

Next you guys are going to complain that your freshman son is going up against older kids in HS.

LOL. Grow a pair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Crabs allowing the Edge organization to play in Young Gunz this year knowing that this is what they do with their teams especially 2019, 2020 and 2021? Sure way to bring the tournament down.

Not sure it is fair to isolate criticism against Crabs when pretty much all the tournament vendors like Adrenaline, NXT, and 3d are equally ambivalent. And whomever the idiot is who posted he watches 100s of games and there are few "big hits" in terms of checks, yeah, we all know that. What you also see is a lot of physical contact on GBs, face-off wing play, and picks. Picks can be vicious collisions when a shrimp sized 13 year old runs his helmet straight into the chest padding of say a 6'4 220lb 18 grader who is 16 years old. Maybe you're getting older and your attention span isn't holding up so well watching those 100s of games because I can't make it through a Saturday tournament without throwing up in my mouth over the size and age inequities on the field. If these Canadian kids are so farm tough, what are they afraid of exactly? Playing kids their same age?

Not trying to criticize Crabs but this is a Crabs thread. All promoters do seem to allow it but Crabs holds itself as being a premier tourney sponsor - not one of the take all teams tournaments. They could easily set an example and then fill that spot with a talented team but instead they are choosing to allow Edge to play when they know the deal. Agree 100% that when you watch these huge kids setting picks and headhunting etc., you could do nothing but agree it is a safety issue. Hoping Crabs takes the first step and says no and takes it a bit further and does real grade/age verification for their tournaments.

How exactly is the Crabs organization or 3D going to bar another club who does the same thing they are doing, just with a whole team instead of some players? 3D is a big proponent of holdbacks, they play kids at one grad year one week and another the next, regardless of the grade the players are actually in. JM held his own kid back, and pushes it to players.

Clubs want to win games and get players recruited, it is good for business.

I guess my question is there is tons of options for your son to play lacrosse? He does not have to play on a top level travel A or AA team to play lacrosse. The name alone tells you what the NPYLL is all about. Just read the website and see how they describe the league. Join a C level or B level travel team and you will be safe from harm of the crazy parents and there cheating kids.

�Children aren�t coloring books. You don�t get to fill them in with your favorite colors.� Dr. Wayne Dyer

[quote=Anonymous]Next you guys are going to complain that your freshman son is going up against older kids in HS.

LOL. Grow a pair. [/quote

Nobody is complaining about high school, you moron. Playing against older boys in HS is a given and everyone knows that (with the possible exception of you). The issue is pre-HS, where the pathetic holdbacks realize they can't compete at their age level, so they play down a grade. How the parents and the kids are not consumed with embarrassment by this is mystifying. I'd bet you fall into that category, which partially explains your "grow a pair" comment. The irony there is that if you had a pair, you would play against kids your own age. So pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Crabs allowing the Edge organization to play in Young Gunz this year knowing that this is what they do with their teams especially 2019, 2020 and 2021? Sure way to bring the tournament down.

Not sure it is fair to isolate criticism against Crabs when pretty much all the tournament vendors like Adrenaline, NXT, and 3d are equally ambivalent. And whomever the idiot is who posted he watches 100s of games and there are few "big hits" in terms of checks, yeah, we all know that. What you also see is a lot of physical contact on GBs, face-off wing play, and picks. Picks can be vicious collisions when a shrimp sized 13 year old runs his helmet straight into the chest padding of say a 6'4 220lb 18 grader who is 16 years old. Maybe you're getting older and your attention span isn't holding up so well watching those 100s of games because I can't make it through a Saturday tournament without throwing up in my mouth over the size and age inequities on the field. If these Canadian kids are so farm tough, what are they afraid of exactly? Playing kids their same age?

Not trying to criticize Crabs but this is a Crabs thread. All promoters do seem to allow it but Crabs holds itself as being a premier tourney sponsor - not one of the take all teams tournaments. They could easily set an example and then fill that spot with a talented team but instead they are choosing to allow Edge to play when they know the deal. Agree 100% that when you watch these huge kids setting picks and headhunting etc., you could do nothing but agree it is a safety issue. Hoping Crabs takes the first step and says no and takes it a bit further and does real grade/age verification for their tournaments.

How exactly is the Crabs organization or 3D going to bar another club who does the same thing they are doing, just with a whole team instead of some players? 3D is a big proponent of holdbacks, they play kids at one grad year one week and another the next, regardless of the grade the players are actually in. JM held his own kid back, and pushes it to players.

Clubs want to win games and get players recruited, it is good for business.

Wanting to win and get recruited is not an excuse for registering an entire team a grade level below and teaching our children it is okay to not follow the rules when the payoff is winning. However you look at it, it is wrong. Personally do not agree with a parent holding a child back for sports as it send the wrong message to the child and honestly if they win and outplay kids it is because they are a year or two older - not because they are better so it is the message you want to send to your child that they need to be left back to compete but still that is an individual family decision and not a whole team (coach and club) deciding to register a year below where it should and the clubs like Crabs pretending it is not happening. How empty of a win that must be and what shallow character for both the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next you guys are going to complain that your freshman son is going up against older kids in HS.

LOL. Grow a pair.

No one is complaining about high school. Less skilled and sized kids play JV first. Better ones play varsity. Unless you have been out to lunch and not informed on the debate, the debate is in the youth game. Kids in 4th through 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next you guys are going to complain that your freshman son is going up against older kids in HS.

LOL. Grow a pair.

Ryan you are one of the biggest proponents of holdbacks/reclassify. You along with several other clubs have been leading the charge on holdbacks and reclassify. Used to not mean as much when it was only HS teams that had to deal with the holdbacks. Now it is in all youth clubs in MD. Pretty disgraceful behavior from an adult so proud of the game of lacrosse.

Pretty sad that an adult has to make anonymous accusations online, especially when he knows the owner of the Crabs wouldn't waste his time posting on this forum.

Sad, but humorous none the less....all the hand wringing is comical. Internet do gooders posting anonymously.....go talk to the owner of the Crabs face to face with your victim's complaints.....wait, ...crickets....didn't think so.

That individual's post is 100% accurate and whether the owner of the Crabs reads it or not is irrelevant. You must be very naive or completely out of touch, not to know that the Crabs organization was one of the early adopters of the "holdback" strategy and are vocal proponents of it today. Who do you think the Edge organization references in their pathetic attempt to justify what they are doing? It's bad enough that the Crabs organziation actively endorses the holdback solution, but having individuals like yourself stating how sad it is for people to call them out, just demonstrates your ignorance and lackey mentality.

If in the slim chance he does not read these threads, Crabs owner has heard all this debate before and could not care less. There are a select few people who made grade based teams happen when USL went to their gold standard best practices guidelines posting for age based teams. Ryan McClernan was one of those few people who drove this process.

A million words complaining about holdbacks, calling names like "lackey". Here is a name for you....Internet warrior

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are the Crabs allowing the Edge organization to play in Young Gunz this year knowing that this is what they do with their teams especially 2019, 2020 and 2021? Sure way to bring the tournament down.

Not sure it is fair to isolate criticism against Crabs when pretty much all the tournament vendors like Adrenaline, NXT, and 3d are equally ambivalent. And whomever the idiot is who posted he watches 100s of games and there are few "big hits" in terms of checks, yeah, we all know that. What you also see is a lot of physical contact on GBs, face-off wing play, and picks. Picks can be vicious collisions when a shrimp sized 13 year old runs his helmet straight into the chest padding of say a 6'4 220lb 18 grader who is 16 years old. Maybe you're getting older and your attention span isn't holding up so well watching those 100s of games because I can't make it through a Saturday tournament without throwing up in my mouth over the size and age inequities on the field. If these Canadian kids are so farm tough, what are they afraid of exactly? Playing kids their same age?

Not trying to criticize Crabs but this is a Crabs thread. All promoters do seem to allow it but Crabs holds itself as being a premier tourney sponsor - not one of the take all teams tournaments. They could easily set an example and then fill that spot with a talented team but instead they are choosing to allow Edge to play when they know the deal. Agree 100% that when you watch these huge kids setting picks and headhunting etc., you could do nothing but agree it is a safety issue. Hoping Crabs takes the first step and says no and takes it a bit further and does real grade/age verification for their tournaments.

How exactly is the Crabs organization or 3D going to bar another club who does the same thing they are doing, just with a whole team instead of some players? 3D is a big proponent of holdbacks, they play kids at one grad year one week and another the next, regardless of the grade the players are actually in. JM held his own kid back, and pushes it to players.

Clubs want to win games and get players recruited, it is good for business.

Wanting to win and get recruited is not an excuse for registering an entire team a grade level below and teaching our children it is okay to not follow the rules when the payoff is winning. However you look at it, it is wrong. Personally do not agree with a parent holding a child back for sports as it send the wrong message to the child and honestly if they win and outplay kids it is because they are a year or two older - not because they are better so it is the message you want to send to your child that they need to be left back to compete but still that is an individual family decision and not a whole team (coach and club) deciding to register a year below where it should and the clubs like Crabs pretending it is not happening. How empty of a win that must be and what shallow character for both the team.

I agree wholeheartedly. However, unless US Lacrosse grows a pair this will escalate.

Easy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty sad that an adult has to make anonymous accusations online, especially when he knows the owner of the Crabs wouldn't waste his time posting on this forum.

Always nice to deflect what is said. It is satire on the Crabs and their disgraceful way they along with a few others have ruined club youth lacrosse in MD. What is pretty sad is that you have nothing to say on this, but only defending Ryan, who doesn't need defending.

Just look at the thread and how many pages each club has. Should decide who the best club is. If they aren't talking about you, u r not offering anything different from the club next door.

It's all about to come to the forefront. Stay tuned for some news that may change your view.

[quote=Anonymous]It's all about to come to the forefront. Stay tuned for some news that may change your view. [/quot

How so?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's all about to come to the forefront. Stay tuned for some news that may change your view.

Would be nice for some authority to call this holdback/reclassify issue at the youth level what it is. Playing whole teams down? Letting 10 year olds play down..Lacrosse at youth level is in need of some leadership.

Wow. Can't wait til USL decides to enforce their recommendations and force U9, U11, U13. Will the whiners keep at it because of the 2 year spread in divisions? How will your 10 yr old ever compete against all those 11 year olds?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Can't wait til USL decides to enforce their recommendations and force U9, U11, U13. Will the whiners keep at it because of the 2 year spread in divisions? How will your 10 yr old ever compete against all those 11 year olds?

The yarn I heard from club owners including the Crabs owner was going to grade based teams allowed clubs to do more teams to meet the participation growth as opposed to the old U9, U-11, U13 &U15. None of those guys thought doing more teams by calendar year like soccer and ice hockey do was a good idea. I wouldn't have an issue with those age groups if it meant having A and B teams to do more teams.

So I'm a whiner? Why exactly, because I think it is an affront to sportsmanship and fairness to play down? The other side of my arguments are tough guy daddies. But you're not tough enough or strong enough to play in your own pond. What are you so afraid of if junior is a lacrosse savant...that playing against kids his own age is something worth fighting against? The argument against age based teams is nothing but a defense mechanism for lacrosse parents who have vanities to defend.

Us lacrosse has no say over what tourney directors want to with their own tourneys. This is America and private enterprise lives on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Can't wait til USL decides to enforce their recommendations and force U9, U11, U13. Will the whiners keep at it because of the 2 year spread in divisions? How will your 10 yr old ever compete against all those 11 year olds?

You must have a child playing down by your remarks. You have a false argument comparing two year age to one year grade. The comparison is single age to single grade, but I am sure you know that .
We all know how the two year age in club worked also. First year age if you were good enough in A , you played UP not DOWN. Second year in A you played against youth your own age.
Now with single grade your child gets to play DOWN starting at 10 years old all the way to his JV High School team. Yea we know what type you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Can't wait til USL decides to enforce their recommendations and force U9, U11, U13. Will the whiners keep at it because of the 2 year spread in divisions? How will your 10 yr old ever compete against all those 11 year olds?

The yarn I heard from club owners including the Crabs owner was going to grade based teams allowed clubs to do more teams to meet the participation growth as opposed to the old U9, U-11, U13 &U15. None of those guys thought doing more teams by calendar year like soccer and ice hockey do was a good idea. I wouldn't have an issue with those age groups if it meant having A and B teams to do more teams.

So I'm a whiner? Why exactly, because I think it is an affront to sportsmanship and fairness to play down? The other side of my arguments are tough guy daddies. But you're not tough enough or strong enough to play in your own pond. What are you so afraid of if junior is a lacrosse savant...that playing against kids his own age is something worth fighting against? The argument against age based teams is nothing but a defense mechanism for lacrosse parents who have vanities to defend.

I'm not being a tough guy dad. My kids play on age. I just think the whole argument is stupid. It's not like this is something new. It's always been a two year system, so does going to grade based make it better or worse? My point is, if it's U-11 then you know there is a two year spread. People weren't happy with this so they went to grade based. So instead of 50% of the kids being older now it is down to probably 20%. Yet people still [lacrosse] and complain that little Johnny has to play against someone a year older. My older son lost his spot to a holdback. Guess what? He went to play for another team. Did I pull my younger son from the program because of this? Of course not. He is getting the best coaching around and will stay as long as he can. It's part of the deal we all sign up for. Girls have been grade based for years. College coaches prefer it this way. You're going to have to get used to it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Can't wait til USL decides to enforce their recommendations and force U9, U11, U13. Will the whiners keep at it because of the 2 year spread in divisions? How will your 10 yr old ever compete against all those 11 year olds?

The yarn I heard from club owners including the Crabs owner was going to grade based teams allowed clubs to do more teams to meet the participation growth as opposed to the old U9, U-11, U13 &U15. None of those guys thought doing more teams by calendar year like soccer and ice hockey do was a good idea. I wouldn't have an issue with those age groups if it meant having A and B teams to do more teams.

So I'm a whiner? Why exactly, because I think it is an affront to sportsmanship and fairness to play down? The other side of my arguments are tough guy daddies. But you're not tough enough or strong enough to play in your own pond. What are you so afraid of if junior is a lacrosse savant...that playing against kids his own age is something worth fighting against? The argument against age based teams is nothing but a defense mechanism for lacrosse parents who have vanities to defend.

I'm not being a tough guy dad. My kids play on age. I just think the whole argument is stupid. It's not like this is something new. It's always been a two year system, so does going to grade based make it better or worse? My point is, if it's U-11 then you know there is a two year spread. People weren't happy with this so they went to grade based. So instead of 50% of the kids being older now it is down to probably 20%. Yet people still [lacrosse] and complain that little Johnny has to play against someone a year older. My older son lost his spot to a holdback. Guess what? He went to play for another team. Did I pull my younger son from the program because of this? Of course not. He is getting the best coaching around and will stay as long as he can. It's part of the deal we all sign up for. Girls have been grade based for years. College coaches prefer it this way. You're going to have to get used to it.

False argument. Grade base went that way to accommodate the many many BOYS held back in the Private schools. Had nothing to do with eliminating the two year spread. If that was the case then it would have been U10, U11,U12,U13,etc. Pretty simple and fair. Just like most youth sports. Most of the country doesnt have this many young children held back in one concentrated area like the Balt/Maryland area. And frankly it will only get worst. Many Private school parents are seeing their child in the classroom along with sports going against older children heldback in Kindergarten in these schools. Many parents are noticing this and will not let their child or sibling have the same disadvantage.

We are talking youth sports also ..Girls have no where near the same children held back as boys.

So much hot air from you bloated people. Do you enjoy reading your posts? The players play and that's it. Baseless accusations by anonymous blowhards makes for great bathroom reading however. Thanks!

The argument against age based teams keeps going backwards. To be clear, the exact words from the NPYLL board was that going to grade based teams instead of U-9, U-11, U-13 and U-15 will enable clubs to field more teams.

That is false. Before last year there were numerous clubs that went with AA teams, then A teams and may have also had B teams. The grade based system wasn't some magical exilir that makes it possible to do more teams, since more teams existed anyways. It was sold as a better system to go up by single years. I have never heard an argument for WHY single grade based teams are needed over single year age teams aside from that it makes it easier for college coaches to evaluate players which I have a hard time believing since kids have their D.O.B., school and school year listed in the club tournament programs. And any argument that teams between ages 8-13 need to be grade based for the college recruiting point is pointless and silly. Basically US Lacrosse foreshadowed policy by publishing their best practices, and within ONE WEEK the NPYLL overlords decided to go to grade based teams, and voted it in. It's a hard sell to represent that as a coincidence and something NPYLL was contemplating for some time to solve the "need for more teams" crisis which never existed.

I emailed our club owner. I emailed all of the NPYLL board members, and not one of them ever formally responded to me beyond to state for those who don't like it, maybe club lacrosse is not a good fit for those kids.

There are no valid arguments that what is common in soccer, ice hockey and other larger and more evolved sports than lacrosse do -- which is single age year team flights -- is impossible to apply to lacrosse because college coaches can't read tournament programs and will go on recruiting a kid having no bloody clue what year in school he is. That is stupid. There isn't a valid argument that the "holdbacks" who are indeed college recruits can't hang on with kids their own calendar age. If they can't they would not be recruited. There isn't a valid argument that same kids can't "play down" or reclassify for prep school play, because there isn't a rule against it in the prep leagues. There are valid safety issues with grade based teams given the prolific appetites of parents and also entire club programs (Edge is one example) to play down beginning in the youth levels where the size and maturity deltas between kids is too much to stuff everyone into, which is exactly the problem. It used to be top kids played up, and that is a discretionary choice. Now top kids play down, and that takes away discretion from parents. You can't just run to a single A or B team at these clubs like with the U-11AA, A then B world we used to get along in.

Now again: why the fight to keep club ball grade based over age based? The latter is not disputable in that it is safer, and more forthright equitable to the participants. I would have some respect for Ryan McClernan and the other NPYLL board members who mandated this process to stop hiding behind unanswered emails and other queries and make their standing statement on this issue. It is not going away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So much hot air from you bloated people. Do you enjoy reading your posts? The players play and that's it. Baseless accusations by anonymous blowhards makes for great bathroom reading however. Thanks!

Please take these idiotic personal attacks to another forum. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The argument against age based teams keeps going backwards. To be clear, the exact words from the NPYLL board was that going to grade based teams instead of U-9, U-11, U-13 and U-15 will enable clubs to field more teams.

That is false. Before last year there were numerous clubs that went with AA teams, then A teams and may have also had B teams. The grade based system wasn't some magical exilir that makes it possible to do more teams, since more teams existed anyways. It was sold as a better system to go up by single years. I have never heard an argument for WHY single grade based teams are needed over single year age teams aside from that it makes it easier for college coaches to evaluate players which I have a hard time believing since kids have their D.O.B., school and school year listed in the club tournament programs. And any argument that teams between ages 8-13 need to be grade based for the college recruiting point is pointless and silly. Basically US Lacrosse foreshadowed policy by publishing their best practices, and within ONE WEEK the NPYLL overlords decided to go to grade based teams, and voted it in. It's a hard sell to represent that as a coincidence and something NPYLL was contemplating for some time to solve the "need for more teams" crisis which never existed.

I emailed our club owner. I emailed all of the NPYLL board members, and not one of them ever formally responded to me beyond to state for those who don't like it, maybe club lacrosse is not a good fit for those kids.

There are no valid arguments that what is common in soccer, ice hockey and other larger and more evolved sports than lacrosse do -- which is single age year team flights -- is impossible to apply to lacrosse because college coaches can't read tournament programs and will go on recruiting a kid having no bloody clue what year in school he is. That is stupid. There isn't a valid argument that the "holdbacks" who are indeed college recruits can't hang on with kids their own calendar age. If they can't they would not be recruited. There isn't a valid argument that same kids can't "play down" or reclassify for prep school play, because there isn't a rule against it in the prep leagues. There are valid safety issues with grade based teams given the prolific appetites of parents and also entire club programs (Edge is one example) to play down beginning in the youth levels where the size and maturity deltas between kids is too much to stuff everyone into, which is exactly the problem. It used to be top kids played up, and that is a discretionary choice. Now top kids play down, and that takes away discretion from parents. You can't just run to a single A or B team at these clubs like with the U-11AA, A then B world we used to get along in.

Now again: why the fight to keep club ball grade based over age based? The latter is not disputable in that it is safer, and more forthright equitable to the participants. I would have some respect for Ryan McClernan and the other NPYLL board members who mandated this process to stop hiding behind unanswered emails and other queries and make their standing statement on this issue. It is not going away.

Blah blah blah.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The argument against age based teams keeps going backwards. To be clear, the exact words from the NPYLL board was that going to grade based teams instead of U-9, U-11, U-13 and U-15 will enable clubs to field more teams.

That is false. Before last year there were numerous clubs that went with AA teams, then A teams and may have also had B teams. The grade based system wasn't some magical exilir that makes it possible to do more teams, since more teams existed anyways. It was sold as a better system to go up by single years. I have never heard an argument for WHY single grade based teams are needed over single year age teams aside from that it makes it easier for college coaches to evaluate players which I have a hard time believing since kids have their D.O.B., school and school year listed in the club tournament programs. And any argument that teams between ages 8-13 need to be grade based for the college recruiting point is pointless and silly. Basically US Lacrosse foreshadowed policy by publishing their best practices, and within ONE WEEK the NPYLL overlords decided to go to grade based teams, and voted it in. It's a hard sell to represent that as a coincidence and something NPYLL was contemplating for some time to solve the "need for more teams" crisis which never existed.

I emailed our club owner. I emailed all of the NPYLL board members, and not one of them ever formally responded to me beyond to state for those who don't like it, maybe club lacrosse is not a good fit for those kids.

There are no valid arguments that what is common in soccer, ice hockey and other larger and more evolved sports than lacrosse do -- which is single age year team flights -- is impossible to apply to lacrosse because college coaches can't read tournament programs and will go on recruiting a kid having no bloody clue what year in school he is. That is stupid. There isn't a valid argument that the "holdbacks" who are indeed college recruits can't hang on with kids their own calendar age. If they can't they would not be recruited. There isn't a valid argument that same kids can't "play down" or reclassify for prep school play, because there isn't a rule against it in the prep leagues. There are valid safety issues with grade based teams given the prolific appetites of parents and also entire club programs (Edge is one example) to play down beginning in the youth levels where the size and maturity deltas between kids is too much to stuff everyone into, which is exactly the problem. It used to be top kids played up, and that is a discretionary choice. Now top kids play down, and that takes away discretion from parents. You can't just run to a single A or B team at these clubs like with the U-11AA, A then B world we used to get along in.

Now again: why the fight to keep club ball grade based over age based? The latter is not disputable in that it is safer, and more forthright equitable to the participants. I would have some respect for Ryan McClernan and the other NPYLL board members who mandated this process to stop hiding behind unanswered emails and other queries and make their standing statement on this issue. It is not going away.

Blah blah blah.

No wonder your child needed to be held back. He had your genes.

I teach my kids to blurt out "blah blah blah" at school when it gets boring to their ears and when they hear something the disagree with. They're not very good students but Ty Xanders gave my nineteen year old 2018 a shout out on Twitter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The argument against age based teams keeps going backwards. To be clear, the exact words from the NPYLL board was that going to grade based teams instead of U-9, U-11, U-13 and U-15 will enable clubs to field more teams.

That is false. Before last year there were numerous clubs that went with AA teams, then A teams and may have also had B teams. The grade based system wasn't some magical exilir that makes it possible to do more teams, since more teams existed anyways. It was sold as a better system to go up by single years. I have never heard an argument for WHY single grade based teams are needed over single year age teams aside from that it makes it easier for college coaches to evaluate players which I have a hard time believing since kids have their D.O.B., school and school year listed in the club tournament programs. And any argument that teams between ages 8-13 need to be grade based for the college recruiting point is pointless and silly. Basically US Lacrosse foreshadowed policy by publishing their best practices, and within ONE WEEK the NPYLL overlords decided to go to grade based teams, and voted it in. It's a hard sell to represent that as a coincidence and something NPYLL was contemplating for some time to solve the "need for more teams" crisis which never existed.

I emailed our club owner. I emailed all of the NPYLL board members, and not one of them ever formally responded to me beyond to state for those who don't like it, maybe club lacrosse is not a good fit for those kids.

There are no valid arguments that what is common in soccer, ice hockey and other larger and more evolved sports than lacrosse do -- which is single age year team flights -- is impossible to apply to lacrosse because college coaches can't read tournament programs and will go on recruiting a kid having no bloody clue what year in school he is. That is stupid. There isn't a valid argument that the "holdbacks" who are indeed college recruits can't hang on with kids their own calendar age. If they can't they would not be recruited. There isn't a valid argument that same kids can't "play down" or reclassify for prep school play, because there isn't a rule against it in the prep leagues. There are valid safety issues with grade based teams given the prolific appetites of parents and also entire club programs (Edge is one example) to play down beginning in the youth levels where the size and maturity deltas between kids is too much to stuff everyone into, which is exactly the problem. It used to be top kids played up, and that is a discretionary choice. Now top kids play down, and that takes away discretion from parents. You can't just run to a single A or B team at these clubs like with the U-11AA, A then B world we used to get along in.

Now again: why the fight to keep club ball grade based over age based? The latter is not disputable in that it is safer, and more forthright equitable to the participants. I would have some respect for Ryan McClernan and the other NPYLL board members who mandated this process to stop hiding behind unanswered emails and other queries and make their standing statement on this issue. It is not going away.

Blah blah blah.

No wonder your child needed to be held back. He had your genes.

The post was simply too long. Probably why the "blah blah blah" was thrown your way. I tend to agree. Sorry

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The argument against age based teams keeps going backwards. To be clear, the exact words from the NPYLL board was that going to grade based teams instead of U-9, U-11, U-13 and U-15 will enable clubs to field more teams.

That is false. Before last year there were numerous clubs that went with AA teams, then A teams and may have also had B teams. The grade based system wasn't some magical exilir that makes it possible to do more teams, since more teams existed anyways. It was sold as a better system to go up by single years. I have never heard an argument for WHY single grade based teams are needed over single year age teams aside from that it makes it easier for college coaches to evaluate players which I have a hard time believing since kids have their D.O.B., school and school year listed in the club tournament programs. And any argument that teams between ages 8-13 need to be grade based for the college recruiting point is pointless and silly. Basically US Lacrosse foreshadowed policy by publishing their best practices, and within ONE WEEK the NPYLL overlords decided to go to grade based teams, and voted it in. It's a hard sell to represent that as a coincidence and something NPYLL was contemplating for some time to solve the "need for more teams" crisis which never existed.

I emailed our club owner. I emailed all of the NPYLL board members, and not one of them ever formally responded to me beyond to state for those who don't like it, maybe club lacrosse is not a good fit for those kids.

There are no valid arguments that what is common in soccer, ice hockey and other larger and more evolved sports than lacrosse do -- which is single age year team flights -- is impossible to apply to lacrosse because college coaches can't read tournament programs and will go on recruiting a kid having no bloody clue what year in school he is. That is stupid. There isn't a valid argument that the "holdbacks" who are indeed college recruits can't hang on with kids their own calendar age. If they can't they would not be recruited. There isn't a valid argument that same kids can't "play down" or reclassify for prep school play, because there isn't a rule against it in the prep leagues. There are valid safety issues with grade based teams given the prolific appetites of parents and also entire club programs (Edge is one example) to play down beginning in the youth levels where the size and maturity deltas between kids is too much to stuff everyone into, which is exactly the problem. It used to be top kids played up, and that is a discretionary choice. Now top kids play down, and that takes away discretion from parents. You can't just run to a single A or B team at these clubs like with the U-11AA, A then B world we used to get along in.

Now again: why the fight to keep club ball grade based over age based? The latter is not disputable in that it is safer, and more forthright equitable to the participants. I would have some respect for Ryan McClernan and the other NPYLL board members who mandated this process to stop hiding behind unanswered emails and other queries and make their standing statement on this issue. It is not going away.

Blah blah blah.

No wonder your child needed to be held back. He had your genes.

The post was simply too long. Probably why the "blah blah blah" was thrown your way. I tend to agree. Sorry

You didn't say when you sent the email, but unless you sent it in 2014 they probably haven't finished reading it yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The argument against age based teams keeps going backwards. To be clear, the exact words from the NPYLL board was that going to grade based teams instead of U-9, U-11, U-13 and U-15 will enable clubs to field more teams.

That is false. Before last year there were numerous clubs that went with AA teams, then A teams and may have also had B teams. The grade based system wasn't some magical exilir that makes it possible to do more teams, since more teams existed anyways. It was sold as a better system to go up by single years. I have never heard an argument for WHY single grade based teams are needed over single year age teams aside from that it makes it easier for college coaches to evaluate players which I have a hard time believing since kids have their D.O.B., school and school year listed in the club tournament programs. And any argument that teams between ages 8-13 need to be grade based for the college recruiting point is pointless and silly. Basically US Lacrosse foreshadowed policy by publishing their best practices, and within ONE WEEK the NPYLL overlords decided to go to grade based teams, and voted it in. It's a hard sell to represent that as a coincidence and something NPYLL was contemplating for some time to solve the "need for more teams" crisis which never existed.

I emailed our club owner. I emailed all of the NPYLL board members, and not one of them ever formally responded to me beyond to state for those who don't like it, maybe club lacrosse is not a good fit for those kids.

There are no valid arguments that what is common in soccer, ice hockey and other larger and more evolved sports than lacrosse do -- which is single age year team flights -- is impossible to apply to lacrosse because college coaches can't read tournament programs and will go on recruiting a kid having no bloody clue what year in school he is. That is stupid. There isn't a valid argument that the "holdbacks" who are indeed college recruits can't hang on with kids their own calendar age. If they can't they would not be recruited. There isn't a valid argument that same kids can't "play down" or reclassify for prep school play, because there isn't a rule against it in the prep leagues. There are valid safety issues with grade based teams given the prolific appetites of parents and also entire club programs (Edge is one example) to play down beginning in the youth levels where the size and maturity deltas between kids is too much to stuff everyone into, which is exactly the problem. It used to be top kids played up, and that is a discretionary choice. Now top kids play down, and that takes away discretion from parents. You can't just run to a single A or B team at these clubs like with the U-11AA, A then B world we used to get along in.

Now again: why the fight to keep club ball grade based over age based? The latter is not disputable in that it is safer, and more forthright equitable to the participants. I would have some respect for Ryan McClernan and the other NPYLL board members who mandated this process to stop hiding behind unanswered emails and other queries and make their standing statement on this issue. It is not going away.

Blah blah blah.

No wonder your child needed to be held back. He had your genes.

The post was simply too long. Probably why the "blah blah blah" was thrown your way. I tend to agree. Sorry

You didn't say when you sent the email, but unless you sent it in 2014 they probably haven't finished reading it yet. Nailed it! Too funny]

That's a bingo. Best post ever.

Wait?!?........What?!?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I teach my kids to blurt out "blah blah blah" at school when it gets boring to their ears and when they hear something the disagree with. They're not very good students but Ty Xanders gave my nineteen year old 2018 a shout out on Twitter.

So funny!

All of the club cheating and kids being held back has given rise to programs like Edge Lacrosse that simply registers their teams down a year in tournaments. Check out their website, they actually advertise they are looking for older kids to attend tryouts. That is unacceptable in my mind.

Where does it end. All programs registering down a year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of the club cheating and kids being held back has given rise to programs like Edge Lacrosse that simply registers their teams down a year in tournaments. Check out their website, they actually advertise they are looking for older kids to attend tryouts. That is unacceptable in my mind.

Where does it end. All programs registering down a year?

Fall 2014 - Edge 2019 Team (2000 Born/ U15)

We will be hosting INVITE only tryouts for the fall 2019 team. Looking for grade 9 or exceptional 8th graders to compete with us this fall. We expect this team to be very strong and compete against the top grade 8/U15 teams in North America. Potential recruits should have a high level of playing experience, knowledge of field lacrosse and consider themselves a top player in their own centre.

I think it comes down to what you feel is fair. If you think a 24 months gap is fair for a divsion of play or do you think it should be 12 month of a gap in age is a fair divsion? I know it ok when a team of mostly 9th and 10th graders plays a team of mostly 12th grades no one has a issue with it. But when we have teams with all 9th graders playing 8th graders we all go nutts. What about 7th graders playing 6th graders. Its all about each persons line and how big there kid is. And that is where it really all falls down to. If there kid is big for his age those parents are fine with it. But if you have a smaller/avg. size kid you want the 12 month window.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it comes down to what you feel is fair. If you think a 24 months gap is fair for a divsion of play or do you think it should be 12 month of a gap in age is a fair divsion? I know it ok when a team of mostly 9th and 10th graders plays a team of mostly 12th grades no one has a issue with it. But when we have teams with all 9th graders playing 8th graders we all go nutts. What about 7th graders playing 6th graders. Its all about each persons line and how big there kid is. And that is where it really all falls down to. If there kid is big for his age those parents are fine with it. But if you have a smaller/avg. size kid you want the 12 month window.

No one would care if everybody had to go by same rules. Fine make it two year and everyone gets a shot at being the young one and older one. The problem with Crabs and all the rest of the holdback clubs is that only a select group of players get an advantage. Hold your kid back ..you get that older player advantage the entire time you are playing. Totally wrong at youth level. HS is totally different.
Letting a select group play down at youth level is just plain wrong and the Crabs have been one of the biggest proponents of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it comes down to what you feel is fair. If you think a 24 months gap is fair for a divsion of play or do you think it should be 12 month of a gap in age is a fair divsion? I know it ok when a team of mostly 9th and 10th graders plays a team of mostly 12th grades no one has a issue with it. But when we have teams with all 9th graders playing 8th graders we all go nutts. What about 7th graders playing 6th graders. Its all about each persons line and how big there kid is. And that is where it really all falls down to. If there kid is big for his age those parents are fine with it. But if you have a smaller/avg. size kid you want the 12 month window.

No one would care if everybody had to go by same rules. Fine make it two year and everyone gets a shot at being the young one and older one. The problem with Crabs and all the rest of the holdback clubs is that only a select group of players get an advantage. Hold your kid back ..you get that older player advantage the entire time you are playing. Totally wrong at youth level. HS is totally different.
Letting a select group play down at youth level is just plain wrong and the Crabs have been one of the biggest proponents of it.

If everybody held their kids back we wouldn't have this problem...also, why doesn't this "problem" exist with the girls?

None of this would be an issue if the sport followed US Lacrosse best practices standards as the governing body of the sport. A better question would be why is lacrosse a sport that ignores the governing body of its own sport? Regulating lacrosse as a sport is not something we should knock on the doors of club lacrosse owners or events owners with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of this be an issue if the sport followed US Lacrosse best practices standards as the governing body of the sport. A better question would be why is lacrosse a sport that ignores the governing body of its own sport? Regulating lacrosse as a sport is not something we should knock on the doors of club lacrosse owners or events owners with.

Cause they can and it works having older players. Once everyone holds their child back ..then what..time to get an advantage by holding back in pre-K and 8th grade...lets do two. Club Youth lacrosse with all these kids playing down is a wrong and everyone knows it. Well everyone except the ones doing it and clubs hauling in the money.

My son is big for his age (97 percentile for height and weight) and I still am not a fan of holdbacks. Although I guess I accept it because it's the culture. But the older holdbacks have a clear advantage, regardless of size, with motor skill development, muscle development, and cognitive thinking.

I think the hold back is the biggest advantage during the ages of 13 to 15. I think before these ages and after these ages its not a big advantage. I think the best compromise would to enforce a single age limit for these three age groups. So a 13 year old only then 14 and 15. Then go back after that.

Make it real easy and follow USA Hockey and just play year of birth.If you hold back you still have to play your birth year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it comes down to what you feel is fair. If you think a 24 months gap is fair for a divsion of play or do you think it should be 12 month of a gap in age is a fair divsion? I know it ok when a team of mostly 9th and 10th graders plays a team of mostly 12th grades no one has a issue with it. But when we have teams with all 9th graders playing 8th graders we all go nutts. What about 7th graders playing 6th graders. Its all about each persons line and how big there kid is. And that is where it really all falls down to. If there kid is big for his age those parents are fine with it. But if you have a smaller/avg. size kid you want the 12 month window.

No one would care if everybody had to go by same rules. Fine make it two year and everyone gets a shot at being the young one and older one. The problem with Crabs and all the rest of the holdback clubs is that only a select group of players get an advantage. Hold your kid back ..you get that older player advantage the entire time you are playing. Totally wrong at youth level. HS is totally different.
Letting a select group play down at youth level is just plain wrong and the Crabs have been one of the biggest proponents of it.

So, my son is on Crabs and is not a hold back. He has friends and classmates that are hold backs that are on FCA, Breakers and Greene Turtle. Not sure why crabs gets singled out with this. I believe there are 6 kids on his team that went to pre first but the rest are of age for their grade. The oldest of the kids is 8 months older than my son. Not really sure what all the fuss is. I get the problem with Edge. They are intentionally putting kids in an age group a year below the actual grade they are in. Not sure why tournament directors allow this and don't force them to play in the grade they are in as opposed as their post grad year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Make it real easy and follow USA Hockey and just play year of birth.If you hold back you still have to play your birth year

Right. How dare these bratty kids want to play lacrosse with the kids that are in their grade and that they are friends with. Don't they know sports aren't supposed to be fun and are only for parents to have something to [lacrosse] about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it comes down to what you feel is fair. If you think a 24 months gap is fair for a divsion of play or do you think it should be 12 month of a gap in age is a fair divsion? I know it ok when a team of mostly 9th and 10th graders plays a team of mostly 12th grades no one has a issue with it. But when we have teams with all 9th graders playing 8th graders we all go nutts. What about 7th graders playing 6th graders. Its all about each persons line and how big there kid is. And that is where it really all falls down to. If there kid is big for his age those parents are fine with it. But if you have a smaller/avg. size kid you want the 12 month window.

No one would care if everybody had to go by same rules. Fine make it two year and everyone gets a shot at being the young one and older one. The problem with Crabs and all the rest of the holdback clubs is that only a select group of players get an advantage. Hold your kid back ..you get that older player advantage the entire time you are playing. Totally wrong at youth level. HS is totally different.
Letting a select group play down at youth level is just plain wrong and the Crabs have been one of the biggest proponents of it.

So, my son is on Crabs and is not a hold back. He has friends and classmates that are hold backs that are on FCA, Breakers and Greene Turtle. Not sure why crabs gets singled out with this. I believe there are 6 kids on his team that went to pre first but the rest are of age for their grade. The oldest of the kids is 8 months older than my son. Not really sure what all the fuss is. I get the problem with Edge. They are intentionally putting kids in an age group a year below the actual grade they are in. Not sure why tournament directors allow this and don't force them to play in the grade they are in as opposed as their post grad year

Which Breakers, Greene Turtle or FCA team has more holdbacks than the corresponding Crabs team? A better question is which Breakers, Greene Turtle or FCA team has more players on their roster born before 9/1 of the appropriate birth year for that team than the corresponding Crabs team?

Please move the whining about ages to a different forum.

Says the mom with the holdback son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it comes down to what you feel is fair. If you think a 24 months gap is fair for a divsion of play or do you think it should be 12 month of a gap in age is a fair divsion? I know it ok when a team of mostly 9th and 10th graders plays a team of mostly 12th grades no one has a issue with it. But when we have teams with all 9th graders playing 8th graders we all go nutts. What about 7th graders playing 6th graders. Its all about each persons line and how big there kid is. And that is where it really all falls down to. If there kid is big for his age those parents are fine with it. But if you have a smaller/avg. size kid you want the 12 month window.

No one would care if everybody had to go by same rules. Fine make it two year and everyone gets a shot at being the young one and older one. The problem with Crabs and all the rest of the holdback clubs is that only a select group of players get an advantage. Hold your kid back ..you get that older player advantage the entire time you are playing. Totally wrong at youth level. HS is totally different.
Letting a select group play down at youth level is just plain wrong and the Crabs have been one of the biggest proponents of it.

So, my son is on Crabs and is not a hold back. He has friends and classmates that are hold backs that are on FCA, Breakers and Greene Turtle. Not sure why crabs gets singled out with this. I believe there are 6 kids on his team that went to pre first but the rest are of age for their grade. The oldest of the kids is 8 months older than my son. Not really sure what all the fuss is. I get the problem with Edge. They are intentionally putting kids in an age group a year below the actual grade they are in. Not sure why tournament directors allow this and don't force them to play in the grade they are in as opposed as their post grad year

Which Breakers, Greene Turtle or FCA team has more holdbacks than the corresponding Crabs team? A better question is which Breakers, Greene Turtle or FCA team has more players on their roster born before 9/1 of the appropriate birth year for that team than the corresponding Crabs team?

I never said that there was more. My point was that all the top teams in the area have some hold back kids, not just Crabs. Yet the finger is always pointed at Crabs as being the "biggest abuser" of the system. You really think that FCA, Breakers, etc would turn the kids away if they chose to play for them? Of course not. It's just that most of the kids want to play for Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says the mom with the holdback son.

I completely agree and all three of my kids are correct age for grade. This whining about age is ridiculous. Some kids will be a little older, some will be a little younger. It's always been this way.

I watched an intra-school MIAA game today where 7th grade played the 8th grade. My 7th grade son was excited to play the 8th grade and thought they would give the 8th graders a good game and possibly win. Both grades have boys that play for Crabs, FCA, Greene Turtle, Looneys, Breakers, MLC... and I think all of the kids are on age (none of the 8th graders that play for Crabs and are repeating 8th grade go to this school). All of these kids are very, very good lacrosse players for their age. Final score, 8th grade 14, 7th grade 2. Granted, this was only one game but it underscores the advantage that one year gives a boy at this age.

Where was this magical MIAA game between all 7th graders and all 8th graders? The schools either have an A, B and C team or a 8th, 7th and 6th grade team. 8th graders either play A teams or other 8th grade teams. 7th graders either play B teams or other 7th grade teams and so on. I have had kids in MIAA schools for the last 8 years and have never seen a game between all 8th graders and all 7th graders

My mistake. I see it was an intra-school game. Apologies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Make it real easy and follow USA Hockey and just play year of birth.If you hold back you still have to play your birth year

Right. How dare these bratty kids want to play lacrosse with the kids that are in their grade and that they are friends with. Don't they know sports aren't supposed to be fun and are only for parents to have something to [lacrosse] about?

Cute ...Lets change it a little.
How dare these bratty kids want to play lacrosse with kids their own age! Dont they know sports isnt supposed to be fun and fair and only for parents who want an advantage for their son....... School teams they play grade with friends.. Most Club teams have a mixture of kids from different areas. hardly all their friends. Nice try hold back parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched an intra-school MIAA game today where 7th grade played the 8th grade. My 7th grade son was excited to play the 8th grade and thought they would give the 8th graders a good game and possibly win. Both grades have boys that play for Crabs, FCA, Greene Turtle, Looneys, Breakers, MLC... and I think all of the kids are on age (none of the 8th graders that play for Crabs and are repeating 8th grade go to this school). All of these kids are very, very good lacrosse players for their age. Final score, 8th grade 14, 7th grade 2. Granted, this was only one game but it underscores the advantage that one year gives a boy at this age.

Everyone knows that there is an advantage for these select kids that are held back and a disadvantage to the younger kids. Of course it varies somewhat due to each child's development, but overall it is a plus to have an older player. How you can think otherwise is disingenuous, and for most wrong at the youth level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says the mom with the holdback son.

I completely agree and all three of my kids are correct age for grade. This whining about age is ridiculous. Some kids will be a little older, some will be a little younger. It's always been this way.

There is a forum for complaint about age requirements and this is not it. Please move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says the mom with the holdback son.

I completely agree and all three of my kids are correct age for grade. This whining about age is ridiculous. Some kids will be a little older, some will be a little younger. It's always been this way.

There is a forum for complaint about age requirements and this is not it. Please move on.

It is an interesting coincidence that people come here to discuss the holdback/reclass issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says the mom with the holdback son.

I completely agree and all three of my kids are correct age for grade. This whining about age is ridiculous. Some kids will be a little older, some will be a little younger. It's always been this way.

There is a forum for complaint about age requirements and this is not it. Please move on.

It is an interesting coincidence that people come here to discuss the holdback/reclass issue.

Can anyone name a top team at the 2019-2022 level that doesn't have a kid that either went to prefirst or is a holdback at another grade? What's interesting is that Crabs gets singled out.

Lets all just be happy the real games start this weekend in the NPYLL and we have something else to argue about.

Sons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons

In MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says the mom with the holdback son.

I completely agree and all three of my kids are correct age for grade. This whining about age is ridiculous. Some kids will be a little older, some will be a little younger. It's always been this way.

There is a forum for complaint about age requirements and this is not it. Please move on.

No people wont just move on. Crabs were one of the driving forces at youth level to go grade base teams. They can expect to hear about it on a constant basis. Their teams will have the most holdbacks bar none. Their director encourages it. It is nice to skew the system then say..well its done now lets move on..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never said that there was more. My point was that all the top teams in the area have some hold back kids, not just Crabs. Yet the finger is always pointed at Crabs as being the "biggest abuser" of the system. You really think that FCA, Breakers, etc would turn the kids away if they chose to play for them? Of course not. It's just that most of the kids want to play for Crabs.

You just answered your question. Most MIAA holdback kids and others do want to play for Crabs. Crabs know the majority of holdbacks are coming their way. Easy for them to want youth teams to be grade base instead of age. Not that hard to follow.
Maryland soon to be known as the land of players playing down..

Looking for info:

Did anyone apply to the Nationals Team which as sponsored be Marverik/Lax Unlimited?

A mass email went out back in December looking to field teams 2019-2016 for MD, VA and Nationals. Tryout dates were TBD.

If you did fill out the application (as I did for my son) did anyone get a response after submitting an application???

[quote=Anonymous]Looking for info:

Did anyone apply to the Nationals Team which as sponsored be Marverik/Lax Unlimited?

A mass email went out back in December looking to field teams 2019-2016 for MD, VA and Nationals. Tryout dates were TBD.

If you did fill out the application (as I did for my son) did anyone get a response after submitting an application???

Unlikely this is a reputable "National Team". Unless the best players are all involved, which they aren't, save your money. Scam and not what they want you to think it is....nothing National about Maverick/lax Unlimited. a good way to get you in there marketing data base though.....

I posted this on another forum and no one had any info. Now turning to MD parents:

Did anyone apply to the Nationals Team which as sponsored be Marverik/Lax Unlimited?

A mass email went out back in December looking to field teams from 2016-2019 for VA, MD and Nationals. Tryout dates were TBD.

If you did fill out the application (as I did for my son) did anyone get a response after submitting an application???

The PO BOX mailing address was the same as the Maryland Lacrosse Club.

After sending an email directly to the email address which the original mail came from, I never got a response.

Did this venture ever take off?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I posted this on another forum and no one had any info. Now turning to MD parents:

Did anyone apply to the Nationals Team which as sponsored be Marverik/Lax Unlimited?

A mass email went out back in December looking to field teams from 2016-2019 for VA, MD and Nationals. Tryout dates were TBD.

If you did fill out the application (as I did for my son) did anyone get a response after submitting an application???

The PO BOX mailing address was the same as the Maryland Lacrosse Club.

After sending an email directly to the email address which the original mail came from, I never got a response.

Did this venture ever take off?????

Maybe the fact that you never received a reply should clue you in to the fact that it is not reputable?

I've never heard of a "National Team" sending out phishing emails trying to get people to apply.

What was score of the Hawks/Crabs 2020 as have heard Crabs say they "crushed" them.

Crabs won 15-8

Respectable spread but "crushed" may be a bit over the top. At least they were in the game with 8 goals. Sounds like Crabs has strengthened their 2020 and are on the road to great things with the team. Just try not to be so "Crab like" and superior and use words like crushed, smoked etc. Makes other teams lose respect for you when you have a good team.

[quote=Anonymous]Respectable spread but "crushed" may be a bit over the top. At least they were in the game with 8 goals. Sounds like Crabs has strengthened their 2020 and are on the road to great things with the team. Just try not to be so "Crab like" and superior and use words like crushed, smoked etc. Makes other teams lose respect for you when you have a good team.

OK thanks for the tip "conscience" of the forum. we are so lucky to have your guidance.

BLC 2020 7
Next Level 3

BLC over CRABS

Respectable spread but "crushed" may be a bit over the top. At least they were in the game with 8 goals. Sounds like Crabs has strengthened their 2020 and are on the road to great things with the team. Just try not to be so "Crab like" and superior and use words like crushed, smoked etc. Makes other teams lose respect for you when you have a good team.

OK thanks for the tip "conscience" of the forum. we are so lucky to have your guidance.

Typical Crabs response ....

Originally Posted by Brewin412

Crabs won 15-8

Wonder how maany holdbacks the Crabs 2020 has. I bet a bunch. Do teams with less holdbacks get any extra goals when they play Crabs

Looneys, breakers, fca all have hold backs. They are all about even.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys, breakers, fca all have hold backs. They are all about even.

Curious why you would say that? Hardly even close..Crabs have the most by far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys, breakers, fca all have hold backs. They are all about even.

Curious why you would say that? Hardly even close..Crabs have the most by far.

doubtful that it is by far, I would imagine the number on each team would be pretty close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys, breakers, fca all have hold backs. They are all about even.

Curious why you would say that? Hardly even close..Crabs have the most by far.

doubtful that it is by far, I would imagine the number on each team would be pretty close.

Keep telling yourself that while you click your heels twice. See if it comes true. Crabs have the most not even close

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys, breakers, fca all have hold backs. They are all about even.

Curious why you would say that? Hardly even close..Crabs have the most by far.

doubtful that it is by far, I would imagine the number on each team would be pretty close.

Keep telling yourself that while you click your heels twice. See if it comes true. Crabs have the most not even close

This is ridiculous. Almost all kids that go to MIAA schools starting in kindergarten are put in pre-first. By your logic, almost all of these kids play for crabs which is just simply untrue. Unless you have some proof that all the private school kids that play for FCA, Breakers, Looneys, etc did not go to prefirst you should really not speak. I know for a fact that the Looneys 2019 green team has several kids that went to prefirst at Gilman and a couple other schools. This is NOT just a Crabs issue. None of the other Maryland clubs have the right to complain because they have access to the same kids as Crabs does. I can understand the LI teams being upset about it and I can understand parents of kids that are at normal age for their grade being upset as well. I fall into the latter and my son lost his spot a couple years ago on a team(not Crabs by the way) due to there being three kids repeating 8th grade. But guess what? He found a new team and has no issues. We baby our kids enough these days. Having to play lacrosse against a kid a year older than them is not going to hurt them in any way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys, breakers, fca all have hold backs. They are all about even.

Curious why you would say that? Hardly even close..Crabs have the most by far.

doubtful that it is by far, I would imagine the number on each team would be pretty close.

Keep telling yourself that while you click your heels twice. See if it comes true. Crabs have the most not even close

show me some numbers then, where are you getting your stats, surely you have seen rosters from all of the club teams in the DMV to make this blanket statement, you may not be clicking your heels, but I think your head is in the sand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys, breakers, fca all have hold backs. They are all about even.

Curious why you would say that? Hardly even close..Crabs have the most by far.

doubtful that it is by far, I would imagine the number on each team would be pretty close.

Keep telling yourself that while you click your heels twice. See if it comes true. Crabs have the most not even close

show me some numbers then, where are you getting your stats, surely you have seen rosters from all of the club teams in the DMV to make this blanket statement, you may not be clicking your heels, but I think your head is in the sand.

The old show me the numbers excuse. Crabs are the team of choice for most MIAA schools kids. Not everyone but a majority would prefer to play for Crabs. Have you looked at their rosters. If you know anything about lacrosse in Balt you will recognize some of the names and MIAA school. Crabs have a great reputation and draw some of the best kids. Having good skills and a one year advantage makes you one of the better players. Pretty easy to see that they would attract the majority of holdbacks. You can put your head in sand and deny this, but it wont make it not true. Crabs and any other teams at youth level can expect to hear this for a while. Tainted Victories

Ryan told me himself! And I'm fine with it but don't claim to smoke and crush teams. Do you know how much difference one year makes at 12,13,14? HUGE, think of your programs top 2019 kid and imagine him playing 2020. Think of your top 2020 kid and imagine him playing 2021. I know with our program it is a huge difference. If I took 6 of my 2019 kids and put them on my 2020 team right now, we would rarely if ever lose to a 2020 team. Wouldn't even be close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys, breakers, fca all have hold backs. They are all about even.

Curious why you would say that? Hardly even close..Crabs have the most by far.

doubtful that it is by far, I would imagine the number on each team would be pretty close.

Keep telling yourself that while you click your heels twice. See if it comes true. Crabs have the most not even close

This is ridiculous. Almost all kids that go to MIAA schools starting in kindergarten are put in pre-first. By your logic, almost all of these kids play for crabs which is just simply untrue. Unless you have some proof that all the private school kids that play for FCA, Breakers, Looneys, etc did not go to prefirst you should really not speak. I know for a fact that the Looneys 2019 green team has several kids that went to prefirst at Gilman and a couple other schools. This is NOT just a Crabs issue. None of the other Maryland clubs have the right to complain because they have access to the same kids as Crabs does. I can understand the LI teams being upset about it and I can understand parents of kids that are at normal age for their grade being upset as well. I fall into the latter and my son lost his spot a couple years ago on a team(not Crabs by the way) due to there being three kids repeating 8th grade. But guess what? He found a new team and has no issues. We baby our kids enough these days. Having to play lacrosse against a kid a year older than them is not going to hurt them in any way.

More important to teach kids to deal with not having to "reclass" just to be competitive. The real "babying" is reclassing your kid and teaching him it is okay to manipulate the system just to get an edge. The majority of the kids are on Crabs because they encourage it and the kids want to go where they will fit in with others who manipulate the system. The victories are truly tainted and the respect is not there from the opponents because of it. Just heard of another Crabs kid reclassing despite all As in his current private school (guess which one) and this kid is already significantly bigger than the kids in his current grade. Next year we will see him playing a year below and pretty sure his younger brother will be reclassed the following year just to stay on Crabs and pursue "the dream"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan told me himself! And I'm fine with it but don't claim to smoke and crush teams. Do you know how much difference one year makes at 12,13,14? HUGE, think of your programs top 2019 kid and imagine him playing 2020. Think of your top 2020 kid and imagine him playing 2021. I know with our program it is a huge difference. If I took 6 of my 2019 kids and put them on my 2020 team right now, we would rarely if ever lose to a 2020 team. Wouldn't even be close.

So very true but the whole point is lost on the families and teams that have reclassed. They will continue to justify it and never see it for what it truly is but kudos to you for stating it so clearly. The best stick skills can not make up for the speed and size difference of an equally talented player one year older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Respectable spread but "crushed" may be a bit over the top. At least they were in the game with 8 goals. Sounds like Crabs has strengthened their 2020 and are on the road to great things with the team. Just try not to be so "Crab like" and superior and use words like crushed, smoked etc. Makes other teams lose respect for you when you have a good team.

OK thanks for the tip "conscience" of the forum. we are so lucky to have your guidance.

Somebody needs to have a "conscience" as clearly you do not if you think this is okay

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Respectable spread but "crushed" may be a bit over the top. At least they were in the game with 8 goals. Sounds like Crabs has strengthened their 2020 and are on the road to great things with the team. Just try not to be so "Crab like" and superior and use words like crushed, smoked etc. Makes other teams lose respect for you when you have a good team.

OK thanks for the tip "conscience" of the forum. we are so lucky to have your guidance.

Somebody needs to have a "conscience" as clearly you do not if you think this is okay

Try badminton...your conscience will serve you well there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys, breakers, fca all have hold backs. They are all about even.

Curious why you would say that? Hardly even close..Crabs have the most by far.

doubtful that it is by far, I would imagine the number on each team would be pretty close.

Keep telling yourself that while you click your heels twice. See if it comes true. Crabs have the most not even close

This is ridiculous. Almost all kids that go to MIAA schools starting in kindergarten are put in pre-first. By your logic, almost all of these kids play for crabs which is just simply untrue. Unless you have some proof that all the private school kids that play for FCA, Breakers, Looneys, etc did not go to prefirst you should really not speak. I know for a fact that the Looneys 2019 green team has several kids that went to prefirst at Gilman and a couple other schools. This is NOT just a Crabs issue. None of the other Maryland clubs have the right to complain because they have access to the same kids as Crabs does. I can understand the LI teams being upset about it and I can understand parents of kids that are at normal age for their grade being upset as well. I fall into the latter and my son lost his spot a couple years ago on a team(not Crabs by the way) due to there being three kids repeating 8th grade. But guess what? He found a new team and has no issues. We baby our kids enough these days. Having to play lacrosse against a kid a year older than them is not going to hurt them in any way.

More important to teach kids to deal with not having to "reclass" just to be competitive. The real "babying" is reclassing your kid and teaching him it is okay to manipulate the system just to get an edge. The majority of the kids are on Crabs because they encourage it and the kids want to go where they will fit in with others who manipulate the system. The victories are truly tainted and the respect is not there from the opponents because of it. Just heard of another Crabs kid reclassing despite all As in his current private school (guess which one) and this kid is already significantly bigger than the kids in his current grade. Next year we will see him playing a year below and pretty sure his younger brother will be reclassed the following year just to stay on Crabs and pursue "the dream"

I don't know which school "which one" referred to, but my son is in 8th grade at BL. There is one kid repeating 8th grade in his class that plays for Crabs. There was a kid that was in his class that is repeating 7th grade this year, but he does not play for Crabs. None of the prefirst kids play for Crabs. They play for MLC, FCA, Greene Turtle and Koopers. My other son is in 5th grade at BL and more than half of that class went to prefirst. My son is the only one in the class that plays for Crabs and he did not go to prefirst. The prefirst kids play for Greene Turtle and a couple other clubs.

So yes, Crabs parents are going to ask for the numbers. I'm not arguing that Crabs has some over age kids. My son's team has 5. But, I know for a fact that other teams have the same amount. Looneys, Breakers, FCA, Greene Turtle all have several prefirsts. Yet it's Crabs that "encourages and promotes" this? Many of those kids tried out for Crabs and didn't make it.

Again, as a parent of on age kids, I don't like it. But, Crabs is single out in this and they are far from the only club taking advantage of the system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Respectable spread but "crushed" may be a bit over the top. At least they were in the game with 8 goals. Sounds like Crabs has strengthened their 2020 and are on the road to great things with the team. Just try not to be so "Crab like" and superior and use words like crushed, smoked etc. Makes other teams lose respect for you when you have a good team.

OK thanks for the tip "conscience" of the forum. we are so lucky to have your guidance.

Somebody needs to have a "conscience" as clearly you do not if you think this is okay

Try badminton...your conscience will serve you well there.

Another tough guy lacrosse dad.

Did you miss the part about 7 players from 2018 Crabs now playing as 2019s?

You want some cheese to go with that whine?

You guys only have touched on Baltimore teams. Do the Hawks and/or NOVA teams do the reclass thing with their players as well?

I am just using the reclass/holdback issue to teach my son that life sucks and its never fair and never going to be fair. And if any of us are playing our children in this NPYLL level of play. We need them to understand this fact. Because guess what recruiting is not fair, varsity lacrosse is not fair, and for sure College lacrosse has nothing to do with fair. So everyone on here is correct the people mad are correct and the people saying stop your crying are correct. This will all go away for us 2019 parents in a year or two, and then we will have a Varsity lacrosse coach to be mad at about something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Respectable spread but "crushed" may be a bit over the top. At least they were in the game with 8 goals. Sounds like Crabs has strengthened their 2020 and are on the road to great things with the team. Just try not to be so "Crab like" and superior and use words like crushed, smoked etc. Makes other teams lose respect for you when you have a good team.

OK thanks for the tip "conscience" of the forum. we are so lucky to have your guidance.

Somebody needs to have a "conscience" as clearly you do not if you think this is okay

Try badminton...your conscience will serve you well there.

Another tough guy lacrosse dad.

Said the anonymous keyboard gangster whose kid got cut from the Crabs.

Here's something that actually pertains to this forum:

Crabs 2020 15 Hawks 2020 Green 8
Bethesda LC 2021 8 Crabs 5
Bethesda LC 2022 10 Crabs 7

New tournament brackets. A, AA, Reclassed (AA+)
HHH Does the same thing. HHH hides until they get their influx of reclassed kids. You didn't see their 2020's at any tough tournaments last summer. Then in two years they come out of the woodwork with half their team reclassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am just using the reclass/holdback issue to teach my son that life sucks and its never fair and never going to be fair. And if any of us are playing our children in this NPYLL level of play. We need them to understand this fact. Because guess what recruiting is not fair, varsity lacrosse is not fair, and for sure College lacrosse has nothing to do with fair. So everyone on here is correct the people mad are correct and the people saying stop your crying are correct. This will all go away for us 2019 parents in a year or two, and then we will have a Varsity lacrosse coach to be mad at about something.

Your point is well and good for High School teams and above. But where the BIG issue with the holdback/reclassify thing is at the youth level . We dont need to teach 8 and 9 year olds the tough reality of life is not fair. We are talking youth sports of under 15 years old. It is nothing to do with teaching hard lessons to 11 12 year olds or whatever youth age. This is about letting a select group of youth get away with cheating the system. Crabs are big proponents of holding children back. The Director is very open about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know which school "which one" referred to, but my son is in 8th grade at BL. There is one kid repeating 8th grade in his class that plays for Crabs. There was a kid that was in his class that is repeating 7th grade this year, but he does not play for Crabs. None of the prefirst kids play for Crabs. They play for MLC, FCA, Greene Turtle and Koopers. My other son is in 5th grade at BL and more than half of that class went to prefirst. My son is the only one in the class that plays for Crabs and he did not go to prefirst. The prefirst kids play for Greene Turtle and a couple other clubs.

So yes, Crabs parents are going to ask for the numbers. I'm not arguing that Crabs has some over age kids. My son's team has 5. But, I know for a fact that other teams have the same amount. Looneys, Breakers, FCA, Greene Turtle all have several prefirsts. Yet it's Crabs that "encourages and promotes" this? Many of those kids tried out for Crabs and didn't make it.

Again, as a parent of on age kids, I don't like it. But, Crabs is single out in this and they are far from the only club taking advantage of the system.

Can you also understand how people reading " over half his classmates were held back" get taken aback. OVER HALF his class. And that is common because my son goes to another school where over half were held back in his grade. It is crazy.. Many have lacrosse pedigrees in their blood. Isnt it a wonder why many teams from other areas look at MD with a tainted view. This whole prefirst thing has gotten out of control. I also think early recruiting has kicked it up a notch.

Thanks crabs, you sent Colorado a crappy dad. One of your players moved to CO and daddy cried to get junior to start on varsity by threatening to leave a big club team, run by the coach. Unfortunately most of the team knows why and now hate the family, and think the kid is pathetic for getting daddy to make threats. The player is good, for a frosh and but not better than many others on the team, everyone but daddy and mommy on the sidelines are rolling their eyes because the precious crab magically moved from 3rd line middie to starting attack.wow, in one week!!! I guess Maryland parents have deep pockets, and well, obviously no class, I am sure you were relieved when they moved. I guess Maryland high school coaches don't cave to threats. And Maryland parents don't care if no one respects them or their kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks crabs, you sent Colorado a crappy dad. One of your players moved to CO and daddy cried to get junior to start on varsity by threatening to leave a big club team, run by the coach. Unfortunately most of the team knows why and now hate the family, and think the kid is pathetic for getting daddy to make threats. The player is good, for a frosh and but not better than many others on the team, everyone but daddy and mommy on the sidelines are rolling their eyes because the precious crab magically moved from 3rd line middie to starting attack.wow, in one week!!! I guess Maryland parents have deep pockets, and well, obviously no class, I am sure you were relieved when they moved. I guess Maryland high school coaches don't cave to threats. And Maryland parents don't care if no one respects them or their kids.

Thats what you get when everyone smokes ganja in the state. Plus there are no good teams in CO

[quote=Anonymous]Thanks crabs, you sent Colorado a crappy dad. One of your players moved to CO and daddy cried to get junior to start on varsity by threatening to leave a big club team, run by the coach. Unfortunately most of the team knows why and now hate the family, and think the kid is pathetic for getting daddy to make threats. The player is good, for a frosh and but not better than many others on the team, everyone but daddy and mommy on the sidelines are rolling their eyes because the precious crab magically moved from 3rd line middie to starting attack.wow, in one week!!! I guess Maryland parents have deep pockets, and well, obviously no class, I am sure you were relieved when they moved. I guess Maryland high school coaches don't cave to threats. And Maryland parents don't care if no one respects them or their kids.

Go back to the hemp and weirdo anti kids laws [lacrosse], and leave lax to those who know it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thanks crabs, you sent Colorado a crappy dad. One of your players moved to CO and daddy cried to get junior to start on varsity by threatening to leave a big club team, run by the coach. Unfortunately most of the team knows why and now hate the family, and think the kid is pathetic for getting daddy to make threats. The player is good, for a frosh and but not better than many others on the team, everyone but daddy and mommy on the sidelines are rolling their eyes because the precious crab magically moved from 3rd line middie to starting attack.wow, in one week!!! I guess Maryland parents have deep pockets, and well, obviously no class, I am sure you were relieved when they moved. I guess Maryland high school coaches don't cave to threats. And Maryland parents don't care if no one respects them or their kids.

Thats what you get when everyone smokes ganja in the state. Plus there are no good teams in CO

The Crabs kid is like Rabil out there.....

[quote=Anonymous]Thanks crabs, you sent Colorado a crappy dad. One of your players moved to CO and daddy cried to get junior to start on varsity by threatening to leave a big club team, run by the coach. Unfortunately most of the team knows why and now hate the family, and think the kid is pathetic for getting daddy to make threats. The player is good, for a frosh and but not better than many others on the team, everyone but daddy and mommy on the sidelines are rolling their eyes because the precious crab magically moved from 3rd line middie to starting attack.wow, in one week!!! I guess Maryland parents have deep pockets, and well, obviously no class, I am sure you were relieved when they moved. I guess Maryland high school coaches don't cave to threats. And Maryland parents don't care if no one respects them or their kids.

Loosing lots of sleep over not having respect of this guy in CO. But he is getting what he wanted, the reaction. If only we were respected by the guys playing with fiddle sticks and girls soccer cleats .....life would be complete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thanks crabs, you sent Colorado a crappy dad. One of your players moved to CO and daddy cried to get junior to start on varsity by threatening to leave a big club team, run by the coach. Unfortunately most of the team knows why and now hate the family, and think the kid is pathetic for getting daddy to make threats. The player is good, for a frosh and but not better than many others on the team, everyone but daddy and mommy on the sidelines are rolling their eyes because the precious crab magically moved from 3rd line middie to starting attack.wow, in one week!!! I guess Maryland parents have deep pockets, and well, obviously no class, I am sure you were relieved when they moved. I guess Maryland high school coaches don't cave to threats. And Maryland parents don't care if no one respects them or their kids.

Loosing lots of sleep over not having respect of this guy in CO. But he is getting what he wanted, the reaction. If only we were respected by the guys playing with fiddle sticks and girls soccer cleats .....life would be complete.

Sooo hilarious, thanks for the reassurance we didn't end up with the only jerk in MD, but I know that from going to tourneys.

Like most Maryland kids the boy is not as good as his dad thinks he is. and doesn't merit the position I guess he was only held back one year, as he'd have to have been held back a second year to compete in Maryland. Obviously all the dads in MD are complete douches, and think this is the way to promote your kids. the reactions here are typical, and in keeping with the demeanor of the dad. In CO all our committed kids save one is on grade, there certainly are not as many great players, but less kids blatantly cheat.

You guys are WAY, WAY, WAY out of line.

You can [lacrosse] about the Dad but leave the kid out of it.
We played with him on 2 teams and he is a great, great team mate.

Let me guess, he took time from your boy???

I hope they move back east, Love that family.
You don't what you have!!

[quote=Anonymous] You guys are WAY, WAY, WAY out of line.

You can [lacrosse] about the Dad but leave the kid out of it.
We played with him on 2 teams and he is a great, great team mate.

Let me guess, he took time from your boy???

I hope they move back east, Love that family.
You don't what you have!!

Did he think of [lacrosse] all by himself ....impressive

"Hate the Family"
"Kid is pathetic"

Wow-you really do have problems at that high school.

Your comments are pathetic.

I'm a Crabs Dad
And if you would like to talk in person, I will be g

Be careful it's another crabs dad. If u win he will sue.

Got to love the Crabs attitude, dad does something wrong, the team and parents react as people typically do to overreaching jerks with deep pockets, and the crabs blame the people he screwed over for complaining.

Like the crab claim they are so much better, when in fact they are mostly just older.

[quote=Anonymous]Got to love the Crabs attitude, dad does something wrong, the team and parents react as people typically do to overreaching jerks with deep pockets, and the crabs blame the people he screwed over for complaining.

Like the crab claim they are so much better, when in fact they are mostly just older.

KEEP TELLING YOUR SELF THAT, UNDERACHIEVER. THE ROAD IS STREWN WITH ANTI CRABS WANNABE'S.....HERE IS ANOTHER.

I am really having trouble following this. What is this about ..some kid who used to be a Crab, moved to Co, parents paid to have him start, starter replaced dad is pissed and for some reason is blaming Crabs and the entire state of MD.. am I missing something..

CO better hope the anti gaja people don't see this..it could be part of a court case to repeal law

National Lacrosse Federation (NLF) is proud to announce an alliance with 6 of the top club programs in the Nation.

Member Clubs of NLF;
91 Lacrosse (based out of Long Island, NY)
Long Island Express (based out of Long Island, NY)
Baltimore Crabs (based out of Maryland)
Big 4 HHH (based out of Pennsylvania)
Leading Edge (based out of New Jersey)
Laxachusetts (based out of Massachusetts)

This looks like a great idea, and now can you ask why they cut it off at 6 teams? And will they add more? and which teams should be added to this group?

Does this mean Crabs and Leading edge are no longer part of NSCLA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National Lacrosse Federation (NLF) is proud to announce an alliance with 6 of the top club programs in the Nation.

Member Clubs of NLF;
91 Lacrosse (based out of Long Island, NY)
Long Island Express (based out of Long Island, NY)
Baltimore Crabs (based out of Maryland)
Big 4 HHH (based out of Pennsylvania)
Leading Edge (based out of New Jersey)
Laxachusetts (based out of Massachusetts)

This has to be in response to the growth of 3d.

[quote=Anonymous]This looks like a great idea, and now can you ask why they cut it off at 6 teams? And will they add more? and which teams should be added to this group?

You are heading in the wrong direction with that question. They will not add, they are trying to keep the drek out. Watered down tourney's with weak players and comp are not what the coaches are looking for.....

Yep, and its probably to keep new clubs that are really strong like Igloo, Legacy, Sons out. Should increase the field, pretty limited. Its all about control

I think both of you guys are correct. The field should be small. but not 6 teams small. And I think what they are saying is these 6 teams will be there at each grade level and we will add 4 to 6 more teams at each level to make a tournament of 10 or 12. Because then you could take a teams 2019 team and not there weaker 2020 team. Also I am sure these 6 teams will have to play in other tournaments and they better win them. Or this elite top 6 talk will go south quick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think both of you guys are correct. The field should be small. but not 6 teams small. And I think what they are saying is these 6 teams will be there at each grade level and we will add 4 to 6 more teams at each level to make a tournament of 10 or 12. Because then you could take a teams 2019 team and not there weaker 2020 team. Also I am sure these 6 teams will have to play in other tournaments and they better win them. Or this elite top 6 talk will go south quick.

Dont disagree with this - but nobody can say this isnt a smart business move.
If you have 6 of the top clubs at the same event it makes it easier for coaches to look at the kids...which you then advertise...which helps you grow your individual club...which helps you make more cash.

The growth of club lax is great but has gotten sol diluted that it is impossible to know which events will be worth going to...or where the coaches will be. This appears to be an attempt to gain some control of that. makes sense, time will tell how it works out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, and its probably to keep new clubs that are really strong like Igloo, Legacy, Sons out. Should increase the field, pretty limited. Its all about control

They will be invited, but not necessarily a member of the federation. Look at the website and you will see other teams attending the tournaments such as Eclips, Primtime NY, West Coast Starz, etc.

Very smart move. People have been asking why Crabs hasn't had their 8th and 9th graders in some tournaments not knowing that they were spending the day at Hopkins with HHH and others in front of top college coaches. The coaches would prefer this setting to wandering around Cedar Lane watching Crabs play some crappy team.

I agree its a great business move. But you can see these teams are only from the "HOT BED" states. I just wished they would go up to 12 teams and find the top programs from the rest of the country or at least from Va. to FL. I just hope this works because nothing makes me more upset then to see a kid at a AA level stuck on a B team because his parents do not know better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Yep, and its probably to keep new clubs that are really strong like Igloo, Legacy, Sons out. Should increase the field, pretty limited. Its all about control

They will be invited, but not necessarily a member of the federation. Look at the website and you will see other teams attending the tournaments such as Eclips, Primtime NY, West Coast Starz, etc.

Very smart move. People have been asking why Crabs hasn't had their 8th and 9th graders in some tournaments not knowing that they were spending the day at Hopkins with HHH and others in front of top college coaches. The coaches would prefer this setting to wandering around Cedar Lane watching Crabs play some crappy team.

You nailed it. Again ahead of the curve.

Well the big one I am looking forward to seeing is to see what 12 teams they invite to the Frosh. challenge in the NLF. They claim to be inviting the top 12 2019 teams in the country. But this is a Fall tournament so it should take awhile to come out with the list. And are they going to let National teams play in this?

These clubs play in each other's tournaments. Maybe not all six will be there at each one, but we see at least two of the other clubs at the events we play. There are a ton of good kids that no one can predict where they will end up.

Good Grades = Lots of options.
Good Boards = Easier decisions for the coaches.
Good attitude and work ethic = Good life skills that will carry you well past Lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree its a great business move. But you can see these teams are only from the "HOT BED" states. I just wished they would go up to 12 teams and find the top programs from the rest of the country or at least from Va. to FL. I just hope this works because nothing makes me more upset then to see a kid at a AA level stuck on a B team because his parents do not know better.

I disagree that the NLF is a game changer, or is anything more than one more event albeit a good one like the Adrenaline one. It seems like the Baltimore lacrosse old guard does stuff like this every year to bifurcate their clubs away to run their own elite events. I'm no big fan of 3d or Adrenaline but at least those two aren't basically saying "college coaches shouldn't be at events with those lesser teams from backwater lacrosse states". I think this will be a modest success in hindsight like the great states challenge thing 3d is trying to hype out or any other "elite and not like the others" pitch.

NLF, Crabfeast or other there is always a line between doing it for the quality and doing it for the quality. Last year the Crabfeast went from great to crap IMHO. 40 teams per grade is way watered down so NLF goes back to the old Crabs model which is fewer and better teams so that coaches don't waste time watching unsightly 22-1 games. This and doing "college days" at Hopkins with HHH and another seems more like going back to the old way than getting ahead of the curve. This exact same model approach has been applied by Adrenaline for years and to a lesser extent by some others. I am sure Crabs can get 12 decent teams to come to this thing, but in reality this is Crabs getting out from being way behind the curve to the pack. Blowing up the Crabfeast with all comers for the money meant a lot of teams don't want to go back and college coaches won't watch that cattle call garbage again either. Call the same thing NLF and take your mulligan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thanks crabs, you sent Colorado a crappy dad. One of your players moved to CO and daddy cried to get junior to start on varsity by threatening to leave a big club team, run by the coach. Unfortunately most of the team knows why and now hate the family, and think the kid is pathetic for getting daddy to make threats. The player is good, for a frosh and but not better than many others on the team, everyone but daddy and mommy on the sidelines are rolling their eyes because the precious crab magically moved from 3rd line middie to starting attack.wow, in one week!!! I guess Maryland parents have deep pockets, and well, obviously no class, I am sure you were relieved when they moved. I guess Maryland high school coaches don't cave to threats. And Maryland parents don't care if no one respects them or their kids.

Loosing lots of sleep over not having respect of this guy in CO. But he is getting what he wanted, the reaction. If only we were respected by the guys playing with fiddle sticks and girls soccer cleats .....life would be complete.

Sooo hilarious, thanks for the reassurance we didn't end up with the only jerk in MD, but I know that from going to tourneys.

Like most Maryland kids the boy is not as good as his dad thinks he is. and doesn't merit the position I guess he was only held back one year, as he'd have to have been held back a second year to compete in Maryland. Obviously all the dads in MD are complete douches, and think this is the way to promote your kids. the reactions here are typical, and in keeping with the demeanor of the dad. In CO all our committed kids save one is on grade, there certainly are not as many great players, but less kids blatantly cheat.

I am a Maryland dad and boorish parenting is on every sideline in every grade. This also sounds like the kids and parents on your high school team should have a bigger issue with the high school coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thanks crabs, you sent Colorado a crappy dad. One of your players moved to CO and daddy cried to get junior to start on varsity by threatening to leave a big club team, run by the coach. Unfortunately most of the team knows why and now hate the family, and think the kid is pathetic for getting daddy to make threats. The player is good, for a frosh and but not better than many others on the team, everyone but daddy and mommy on the sidelines are rolling their eyes because the precious crab magically moved from 3rd line middie to starting attack.wow, in one week!!! I guess Maryland parents have deep pockets, and well, obviously no class, I am sure you were relieved when they moved. I guess Maryland high school coaches don't cave to threats. And Maryland parents don't care if no one respects them or their kids.

Loosing lots of sleep over not having respect of this guy in CO. But he is getting what he wanted, the reaction. If only we were respected by the guys playing with fiddle sticks and girls soccer cleats .....life would be complete.

Sooo hilarious, thanks for the reassurance we didn't end up with the only jerk in MD, but I know that from going to tourneys.

Like most Maryland kids the boy is not as good as his dad thinks he is. and doesn't merit the position I guess he was only held back one year, as he'd have to have been held back a second year to compete in Maryland. Obviously all the dads in MD are complete douches, and think this is the way to promote your kids. the reactions here are typical, and in keeping with the demeanor of the dad. In CO all our committed kids save one is on grade, there certainly are not as many great players, but less kids blatantly cheat.

I am a Maryland dad and boorish parenting is on every sideline in every grade. This also sounds like the kids and parents on your high school team should have a bigger issue with the high school coach.

Still cant figure out how the Crabs and state of Md are to blame??Crabs are to blame for many things ..going grade base to help hookbacks, etc..but this one i give them a pass...

It looks like the coach of HS team is a big baby and caves to any threat. And why are guys in CO playing with fiddle sticks while wearing girls cleats... It that a trend out there??

The Crabs way is always to answer with insults. As a Maryland parent but not a Crabs parent, I just don't find it surprising. This is no way to get people to admire or respect your program. You stay classy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thanks crabs, you sent Colorado a crappy dad. One of your players moved to CO and daddy cried to get junior to start on varsity by threatening to leave a big club team, run by the coach. Unfortunately most of the team knows why and now hate the family, and think the kid is pathetic for getting daddy to make threats. The player is good, for a frosh and but not better than many others on the team, everyone but daddy and mommy on the sidelines are rolling their eyes because the precious crab magically moved from 3rd line middie to starting attack.wow, in one week!!! I guess Maryland parents have deep pockets, and well, obviously no class, I am sure you were relieved when they moved. I guess Maryland high school coaches don't cave to threats. And Maryland parents don't care if no one respects them or their kids.

Thats what you get when everyone smokes ganja in the state. Plus there are no good teams in CO

The Crabs kid is like Rabil out there.....

HAHAHAHA Joke?? Know the Kid and the Family. Played for the crabs 3 years ago and for 1 year. Decent player when he was on grade, now a repeat player and now competetive because of that. Not a top player in MD, average to slightly above maybe, not a stand out when playing with MD talent but, come on DAD, certainly not Rabil. Not even in Colorado. Get a grip.

Is the 2019 Crabs team playing in Beach Lax?

No.

[quote=Anonymous]The Crabs way is always to answer with insults. As a Maryland parent but not a Crabs parent, I just don't find it surprising. This is no way to get people to admire or respect your program. You stay classy.

The program is admired and respected because of the talent of the coaching staff(s) and players on the field. The results speak for themselves. Anything else said or implied by outsiders is easily seen through. Unless you've experienced playing in far away places and watching parents and opposing players lining the sidelines to watch the Crabs warm-up, or have seen the video camera's pop out to film the Crabs stretching....you wouldn't know. So stay classy dude or gal, whoever you are...either get on the bus if you have the guts to try-out(probably don't), or be under it, as we know you've been many times before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The Crabs way is always to answer with insults. As a Maryland parent but not a Crabs parent, I just don't find it surprising. This is no way to get people to admire or respect your program. You stay classy.

The program is admired and respected because of the talent of the coaching staff(s) and players on the field. The results speak for themselves. Anything else said or implied by outsiders is easily seen through. Unless you've experienced playing in far away places and watching parents and opposing players lining the sidelines to watch the Crabs warm-up, or have seen the video camera's pop out to film the Crabs stretching....you wouldn't know. So stay classy dude or gal, whoever you are...either get on the bus if you have the guts to try-out(probably don't), or be under it, as we know you've been many times before.

Crabs organization = cheaters. play against kids your own age...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The Crabs way is always to answer with insults. As a Maryland parent but not a Crabs parent, I just don't find it surprising. This is no way to get people to admire or respect your program. You stay classy.

The program is admired and respected because of the talent of the coaching staff(s) and players on the field. The results speak for themselves. Anything else said or implied by outsiders is easily seen through. Unless you've experienced playing in far away places and watching parents and opposing players lining the sidelines to watch the Crabs warm-up, or have seen the video camera's pop out to film the Crabs stretching....you wouldn't know. So stay classy dude or gal, whoever you are...either get on the bus if you have the guts to try-out(probably don't), or be under it, as we know you've been many times before.

Now that is a classy response, filming the crab-stretch....is that really a thing, good collection of talent no doubt, but really don't think anybody is filming the crab stretch or lining up to watch the pregame

I have never once heard someone say they are going to CRABS for the coaching. Sorry.....it's to play where all the good players are going.

OMG...RM must be on here. Filming the stretching. Good one!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The Crabs way is always to answer with insults. As a Maryland parent but not a Crabs parent, I just don't find it surprising. This is no way to get people to admire or respect your program. You stay classy.

The program is admired and respected because of the talent of the coaching staff(s) and players on the field. The results speak for themselves. Anything else said or implied by outsiders is easily seen through. Unless you've experienced playing in far away places and watching parents and opposing players lining the sidelines to watch the Crabs warm-up, or have seen the video camera's pop out to film the Crabs stretching....you wouldn't know. So stay classy dude or gal, whoever you are...either get on the bus if you have the guts to try-out(probably don't), or be under it, as we know you've been many times before.

Now that is a classy response, filming the crab-stretch....is that really a thing, good collection of talent no doubt, but really don't think anybody is filming the crab stretch or lining up to watch the pregame

Filming the Crabs stretching...That is Hilarious!

Looks like the 2019 team combined with 2020 to play in the 2020 Division this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 2019 team combined with 2020 to play in the 2020 Division this weekend

You must be a Crush parent. You will probably reply and say you aren't. Take your loss with dignity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 2019 team combined with 2020 to play in the 2020 Division this weekend

Did they tell some 2020s that don't start to stay home? Or did they have 35 kids on their team?

You're an idiot. There was a 2020 kid that usually plays for 2019 on the team. He is a 2020 kid though.

Win with class, lose with class. Oh that's right.....You're from Strong Island

Don't fool yourself, there were multiple current 8th grade players who played this spring on the 2019 Crabs team playing in the 2020 division this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 2019 team combined with 2020 to play in the 2020 Division this weekend

You must be a Crush parent. You will probably reply and say you aren't. Take your loss with dignity.

MD parent here. That "win" is tainted, several kids were brought in from 2019 to play this weekend. Everyone who was there knows what happened. Do anything to win - not what we should be teaching our kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 2019 team combined with 2020 to play in the 2020 Division this weekend

You must be a Crush parent. You will probably reply and say you aren't. Take your loss with dignity.

MD parent here. That "win" is tainted, several kids were brought in from 2019 to play this weekend. Everyone who was there knows what happened. Do anything to win - not what we should be teaching our kids.

Again, was there an inordinate amount of players for the 2020 Crabs there?

Another MD parent here. Can't wait for Colorado when birth certificates need to be produced. I have a funny feeling Crabs will be lacking some height.

The crabs goalie and fca goalie played awesome this weekend as well as the big attackman from 91

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 2019 team combined with 2020 to play in the 2020 Division this weekend

You must be a Crush parent. You will probably reply and say you aren't. Take your loss with dignity.

MD parent here. That "win" is tainted, several kids were brought in from 2019 to play this weekend. Everyone who was there knows what happened. Do anything to win - not what we should be teaching our kids.

Again, was there an inordinate amount of players for the 2020 Crabs there?

. Do you want the Maryland teams who know the players personally brought in to name names or would initials and numbers work for you Crab parents who are trying to say this did not happen. Also two VLC players brought in. just because you just finished 8th grade and are repeating it again next year does not make you a 7th grader no matter how much you try to convince others. Bad enough you will have half a reclassed 1-2 year older team next year but you are not fooling anyone and your parents and coaches should think about what kind of men you are creating-win at all cost. Feel bad for any legitimate 2020s left on your team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Not a big fan of Crush but they deserved the win. They had unsportsmanlike conduct in earlier game but they are age appropriate and are skilled. These boys were brought in for Crabs to not risk another loss to Crush. Funny thought even with their "ringers" they struggled against Next Level(5-3) and Breaker(6-5 in playoff overtime) and also Team 91 in overtime. There were 5 brought in from 2019 and their parents were very open about it. Since they will all be reclassifying Crabs feels,they can justify it. almost half the team is reclassed now some by two years. Sad. Not sure what kind of parent would let their child play on a team that openly does this.

How does a parent let their child do this? They are getting ready for 8th grade graduation and then sending bringing their son to play in a 7th grade tournament.
I would bet not one of the parents of any of these kids ever had any success in the sport on their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Not a big fan of Crush but they deserved the win. They had unsportsmanlike conduct in earlier game but they are age appropriate and are skilled. These boys were brought in for Crabs to not risk another loss to Crush. Funny thought even with their "ringers" they struggled against Next Level(5-3) and Breaker(6-5 in playoff overtime) and also Team 91 in overtime. There were 5 brought in from 2019 and their parents were very open about it. Since they will all be reclassifying Crabs feels,they can justify it. almost half the team is reclassed now some by two years. Sad. Not sure what kind of parent would let their child play on a team that openly does this.

If this is true ..This is so sad on so many levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does a parent let their child do this? They are getting ready for 8th grade graduation and then sending bringing their son to play in a 7th grade tournament.
I would bet not one of the parents of any of these kids ever had any success in the sport on their own.

Agreed and ironically most of the kids doing this go to private schools whose mantras are building men of character, honesty etc. or are recruited to these same private schools with varying amounts of tuition covered. Makes the whole school look bad too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Not a big fan of Crush but they deserved the win. They had unsportsmanlike conduct in earlier game but they are age appropriate and are skilled. These boys were brought in for Crabs to not risk another loss to Crush. Funny thought even with their "ringers" they struggled against Next Level(5-3) and Breaker(6-5 in playoff overtime) and also Team 91 in overtime. There were 5 brought in from 2019 and their parents were very open about it. Since they will all be reclassifying Crabs feels,they can justify it. almost half the team is reclassed now some by two years. Sad. Not sure what kind of parent would let their child play on a team that openly does this.

If this is true ..This is so sad on so many levels.

It is sad because the true 2020 Crabs lose their spots and have no real recourse other than to reclass to gain a spot on a younger team, thus creating a vicious cycle. Hopefully the better tournaments start to enforce age limitations- doesn't have to be quite a 12 mon span, but it shoukd allow a 2 yr span either.

It will be interesting to see these teams in Denver where age limitations will be set.

2020 Crabs already had a load of holdbacks, will be interesting to see their roster next spring. I bet more than half the team should be playing in high school

If these allegations are true, 91 gets the win and any team that played Crabs should get an apology and a full refund. How embarassing!

As a non MD parent, can someone completely explain reclassifying to me and is it with public and private schools or just one of them?

Crabs got lucky this time. I feel sorry for them because it is not a true win when you know you are cheating. Really sad for the sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If these allegations are true, 91 gets the win and any team that played Crabs should get an apology and a full refund. How embarassing!

Agreed shame on Aloha Tournaments. CLEAN UP YOUR ACT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a non MD parent, can someone completely explain reclassifying to me and is it with public and private schools or just one of them?

Public schools in MD do not allow reclassing. If a child fails academically In MD public school they can be held back just like in every state but parents can not choose to hold back their child for sports which is what teams like the Crabs encourage and have ability to do in private schools. happens most often after 8th grade, they will repeat 8th grade. Many private also do a pre-1st which the public schools in MD do not do. It is a shame for the public school boys who legitimately play grade based and are no fans of their private school counterparts manipulating the system and are embarrassing the rest of the state because they are afraid to compete age appropriately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Not a big fan of Crush but they deserved the win. They had unsportsmanlike conduct in earlier game but they are age appropriate and are skilled. These boys were brought in for Crabs to not risk another loss to Crush. Funny thought even with their "ringers" they struggled against Next Level(5-3) and Breaker(6-5 in playoff overtime) and also Team 91 in overtime. There were 5 brought in from 2019 and their parents were very open about it. Since they will all be reclassifying Crabs feels,they can justify it. almost half the team is reclassed now some by two years. Sad. Not sure what kind of parent would let their child play on a team that openly does this.

If this is true ..This is so sad on so many levels.

It is sad because the true 2020 Crabs lose their spots and have no real recourse other than to reclass to gain a spot on a younger team, thus creating a vicious cycle. Hopefully the better tournaments start to enforce age limitations- doesn't have to be quite a 12 mon span, but it shoukd allow a 2 yr span either.

It will be interesting to see these teams in Denver where age limitations will be set.

The parents could simply stand up and say no to reclassing and chose one of the other clubs in the region who have shown this spring they are competitive with the Crabs without using holdbacks. Hawks and breakers both lost to Crabs in sudden death overtime in the last few weeks. Next Level lost by two playing the loaded team. FCA is in the mix too. Better to let your boy play with integrity then be associated with a club that is perpetuating and encouraging this behavior. Why so important to stay with the Crabs and feel like you must reclass just to keep a spot with them? Nothing to be proud of winning by cheating. Better to have a close game and play it with integrity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 2019 team combined with 2020 to play in the 2020 Division this weekend

You must be a Crush parent. You will probably reply and say you aren't. Take your loss with dignity.

MD parent here. That "win" is tainted, several kids were brought in from 2019 to play this weekend. Everyone who was there knows what happened. Do anything to win - not what we should be teaching our kids.

Again, was there an inordinate amount of players for the 2020 Crabs there?

. Do you want the Maryland teams who know the players personally brought in to name names or would initials and numbers work for you Crab parents who are trying to say this did not happen. Also two VLC players brought in. just because you just finished 8th grade and are repeating it again next year does not make you a 7th grader no matter how much you try to convince others. Bad enough you will have half a reclassed 1-2 year older team next year but you are not fooling anyone and your parents and coaches should think about what kind of men you are creating-win at all cost. Feel bad for any legitimate 2020s left on your team.

Not sure about VLC but two 2019 crabs players played for the 2020 team this weekend. To the rest of the 2020 AA teams, you were cheated and are owed a refund and apology.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Not a big fan of Crush but they deserved the win. They had unsportsmanlike conduct in earlier game but they are age appropriate and are skilled. These boys were brought in for Crabs to not risk another loss to Crush. Funny thought even with their "ringers" they struggled against Next Level(5-3) and Breaker(6-5 in playoff overtime) and also Team 91 in overtime. There were 5 brought in from 2019 and their parents were very open about it. Since they will all be reclassifying Crabs feels,they can justify it. almost half the team is reclassed now some by two years. Sad. Not sure what kind of parent would let their child play on a team that openly does this.

If this is true ..This is so sad on so many levels.

It is sad because the true 2020 Crabs lose their spots and have no real recourse other than to reclass to gain a spot on a younger team, thus creating a vicious cycle. Hopefully the better tournaments start to enforce age limitations- doesn't have to be quite a 12 mon span, but it shoukd allow a 2 yr span either.

It will be interesting to see these teams in Denver where age limitations will be set.

Crabs will be demolished in Denver, which will make this victory look even more suspect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the 2019 team combined with 2020 to play in the 2020 Division this weekend

You must be a Crush parent. You will probably reply and say you aren't. Take your loss with dignity.

MD parent here. That "win" is tainted, several kids were brought in from 2019 to play this weekend. Everyone who was there knows what happened. Do anything to win - not what we should be teaching our kids.

Again, was there an inordinate amount of players for the 2020 Crabs there?

. Do you want the Maryland teams who know the players personally brought in to name names or would initials and numbers work for you Crab parents who are trying to say this did not happen. Also two VLC players brought in. just because you just finished 8th grade and are repeating it again next year does not make you a 7th grader no matter how much you try to convince others. Bad enough you will have half a reclassed 1-2 year older team next year but you are not fooling anyone and your parents and coaches should think about what kind of men you are creating-win at all cost. Feel bad for any legitimate 2020s left on your team.

Not sure about VLC but two 2019 crabs players played for the 2020 team this weekend. To the rest of the 2020 AA teams, you were cheated and are owed a refund and apology.

5 players not on their regular roster played this weekend. Two very obvious players who are well known in Maryland and who scored most of their goals and the others just blended in with their usual oversize holdbacks. These were good players as 2019 so even sadder that their parents have now made them a focus of not being good enough so they had to reclass -hope their 4 years of college are worth the lack of respect earned for those boys for the next 4 years as they play with kids much younger than them. Tainted the rest of the team too as being willing to be complacent.

So, piecing it together, the Crabs - somewhat Edge-style - took several 2019's that "intend" to reclass and played them with 2020 team. Taking account, of course, their team was probably already "old" to begin with.

Again, I'm the not in either camp guy, but I respect what I've seen from 91 Crush and their great skill level, which is what lacrosse is all about. This will probably be a great motivator for them to keep working to get better.

But surely we can all call BS on games being won or lost on who is older versus who is better at lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Not a big fan of Crush but they deserved the win. They had unsportsmanlike conduct in earlier game but they are age appropriate and are skilled. These boys were brought in for Crabs to not risk another loss to Crush. Funny thought even with their "ringers" they struggled against Next Level(5-3) and Breaker(6-5 in playoff overtime) and also Team 91 in overtime. There were 5 brought in from 2019 and their parents were very open about it. Since they will all be reclassifying Crabs feels,they can justify it. almost half the team is reclassed now some by two years. Sad. Not sure what kind of parent would let their child play on a team that openly does this.

If this is true ..This is so sad on so many levels.

It is sad because the true 2020 Crabs lose their spots and have no real recourse other than to reclass to gain a spot on a younger team, thus creating a vicious cycle. Hopefully the better tournaments start to enforce age limitations- doesn't have to be quite a 12 mon span, but it shoukd allow a 2 yr span either.

It will be interesting to see these teams in Denver where age limitations will be set.

The parents could simply stand up and say no to reclassing and chose one of the other clubs in the region who have shown this spring they are competitive with the Crabs without using holdbacks. Hawks and breakers both lost to Crabs in sudden death overtime in the last few weeks. Next Level lost by two playing the loaded team. FCA is in the mix too. Better to let your boy play with integrity then be associated with a club that is perpetuating and encouraging this behavior. Why so important to stay with the Crabs and feel like you must reclass just to keep a spot with them? Nothing to be proud of winning by cheating. Better to have a close game and play it with integrity.

Not near what Crabs does but I was told in the fall tournament FCA had kids from 2019 who are supposed to be playing 2020(are age appropriate) come down for just that tournament but they normally play up for the 2019 team

Not sure about VLC but two 2019 crabs players played for the 2020 team this weekend. To the rest of the 2020 AA teams, you were cheated and are owed a refund and apology. [/quote]

VLC only plays A ball at the youth level, so doubt tbey would subject their kids to ha ing to play at the AA level in a tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Not a big fan of Crush but they deserved the win. They had unsportsmanlike conduct in earlier game but they are age appropriate and are skilled. These boys were brought in for Crabs to not risk another loss to Crush. Funny thought even with their "ringers" they struggled against Next Level(5-3) and Breaker(6-5 in playoff overtime) and also Team 91 in overtime. There were 5 brought in from 2019 and their parents were very open about it. Since they will all be reclassifying Crabs feels,they can justify it. almost half the team is reclassed now some by two years. Sad. Not sure what kind of parent would let their child play on a team that openly does this.

If this is true ..This is so sad on so many levels.

It is sad because the true 2020 Crabs lose their spots and have no real recourse other than to reclass to gain a spot on a younger team, thus creating a vicious cycle. Hopefully the better tournaments start to enforce age limitations- doesn't have to be quite a 12 mon span, but it shoukd allow a 2 yr span either.

It will be interesting to see these teams in Denver where age limitations will be set.

Crabs will be demolished in Denver, which will make this victory look even more suspect.

If they cheated today and always cheat what makes you think they won't cheat in Denver or any other tournament they enter. Some Maryland parents seem like they will do anything to win a youth tournament. I wouldn't put it pass them or the Crabs to change a birth certificate.

This has always been one of my biggest complaints about the whole holdback / reclassifying issue. What about the correct age kid that gets bumped from a prominant role to a minor role due to the holdbacks repeating. I cannot comprehend how these parents, coaches and organizations feel good about winning. Shallow victories!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Not a big fan of Crush but they deserved the win. They had unsportsmanlike conduct in earlier game but they are age appropriate and are skilled. These boys were brought in for Crabs to not risk another loss to Crush. Funny thought even with their "ringers" they struggled against Next Level(5-3) and Breaker(6-5 in playoff overtime) and also Team 91 in overtime. There were 5 brought in from 2019 and their parents were very open about it. Since they will all be reclassifying Crabs feels,they can justify it. almost half the team is reclassed now some by two years. Sad. Not sure what kind of parent would let their child play on a team that openly does this.

If this is true ..This is so sad on so many levels.

It is sad because the true 2020 Crabs lose their spots and have no real recourse other than to reclass to gain a spot on a younger team, thus creating a vicious cycle. Hopefully the better tournaments start to enforce age limitations- doesn't have to be quite a 12 mon span, but it shoukd allow a 2 yr span either.

It will be interesting to see these teams in Denver where age limitations will be set.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, piecing it together, the Crabs - somewhat Edge-style - took several 2019's that "intend" to reclass and played them with 2020 team. Taking account, of course, their team was probably already "old" to begin with.

Again, I'm the not in either camp guy, but I respect what I've seen from 91 Crush and their great skill level, which is what lacrosse is all about. This will probably be a great motivator for them to keep working to get better.

But surely we can all call BS on games being won or lost on who is older versus who is better at lacrosse.

Taken from the Crab website on the 2020 page
9. missing practice is not ok - those that do may lose their spot on the
team. So I think I solved the puzzle. I guess most of the 23 kids selected on the 2020 roaster missed a lot of practices, that's why they had to use some 2019 kids to play the game. Clearly the 23 coaches the Crabs had on the sideline had no confidence in the boys that made the team.
Clearly they had no confidence in their coaching abilities or there players to win. They took the easy way out. I hope to see the 40 man roaster and the 23 coaches in Denver.
But if they cheated here for a local tournament I don't put it pass them to cheat in Denver. I hope the WSYL is ready for the backlash this organization is going to bring to this tournament.

Time for US Lacrosse to man up and intstute a picture card system like soccer. We need to put an end to the cheating nonsense!very bad for the sport

The ironic thing about all this nonsense is that I would bet the Crabs would be just as competitive as the rest without the holdbacks. Yes. Even with you premadonas from L.I.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not in either camp, but please tell me a highly regarded program didn't blatantly cheat to win youth games at the beach.

I have a lot of respect for Crush, but I've seen parents cry cheating just because their beloved team was getting beat by a "lesser" team. If a program really intentionally cheated - and I don't mean letting some August 15th midlevel kid play in a tournament with a 9/1 cutoff - they shouldn't be allowed in other tournaments and no one should go to theirs.

I hope it was just a great game and upset and some parents are just surprised how big older 7th graders can be.

Unfortunately that is not the case. Not a big fan of Crush but they deserved the win. They had unsportsmanlike conduct in earlier game but they are age appropriate and are skilled. These boys were brought in for Crabs to not risk another loss to Crush. Funny thought even with their "ringers" they struggled against Next Level(5-3) and Breaker(6-5 in playoff overtime) and also Team 91 in overtime. There were 5 brought in from 2019 and their parents were very open about it. Since they will all be reclassifying Crabs feels,they can justify it. almost half the team is reclassed now some by two years. Sad. Not sure what kind of parent would let their child play on a team that openly does this.

If this is true ..This is so sad on so many levels.

It is sad because the true 2020 Crabs lose their spots and have no real recourse other than to reclass to gain a spot on a younger team, thus creating a vicious cycle. Hopefully the better tournaments start to enforce age limitations- doesn't have to be quite a 12 mon span, but it shoukd allow a 2 yr span either.

It will be interesting to see these teams in Denver where age limitations will be set.

Crabs will be demolished in Denver, which will make this victory look even more suspect.

If they cheated today and always cheat what makes you think they won't cheat in Denver or any other tournament they enter. Some Maryland parents seem like they will do anything to win a youth tournament. I wouldn't put it pass them or the Crabs to change a birth certificate.

The vast majority of Maryland parents do not reclass and do not agree with the practice. That would be like saying all NY teams get players suspended for fighting on the field and throwing their gloves down to punch another player. crush is very skilled but no excuse for their behavior. Neither tea m represents their state appropriately.

My answer as a Maryland parent of kids who are not re-classified is this:

There isn't a rule against it, so it isn't cheating. Most people in the Baltimore private school scene do a pre-K year for boys (they call it pre-first). I don't think that is a global strategy for sports advantage. Some parents who neither push sports or have kids who play sports seriously did it thinking before they spend no small fortune on private schools starting in first grade, they want the boy to be a bit more mature for his grade to have success academic, social and also other including sports.

The real reclassifying as I see it is repeating a middle school grade, most widely 8th grade. Some families have their kid do 9th twice. The only strategy to repeat a grade in the public school system is to flunk a grade. Otherwise a family will off-ramp their son from a public middle school and have him repeat that middle school grade at a private. Or shuffle from one private school to the other. Then once 9th grade comes some budget conscious families will RETURN their son into the Maryland public school system having done the repeat middle school year at a private.

The way I see it and have counted it using no less than the data from the clubs and schools, reclassifying in the MIAA is an overwhelming majority of the kids playing lacrosse at those schools and with Crabs and other clubs. It is also creeping toward a more and more widespread "poor man's" game where parents will off ramp their kid from the public school system to repeat 8th grade at a private, and then return to start 9th grade at a public high school as a reclassified. All that failing, if you have no money like Canadians you just verbally say you are reclassifying for a PG year, substantiated with absolutely nothing in regards to which prep school that will be if there even is one or imaginary, then easy peasy you can get a full club team together playing down one school year for club only. It seems to me that Canadians don't make as much of high school lacrosse in their country, so don't focus on it so much for school when kids are young and save for it to be tomorrow's problem.

I just don't get it when Maryland or DMV parents go off so defiantly. It is a lacrosse strategy widely applied and might as well just be forthright about it. Again, there isn't a rule against it and there certainly isn't upside in the denials and lying about the plain fact that it is very widespread and most widespread among MIAA schools and a couple major clubs including Crabs.

"There isn't a rule against it, so it isn't cheating..."

Technically, no, ethically, totally. Which is why this gives so many people heartburn.

I think the Crabs just set themselves up for the mother of all smackdowns, on national TV no less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"There isn't a rule against it, so it isn't cheating..."

Technically, no, ethically, totally. Which is why this gives so many people heartburn.

I think the Crabs just set themselves up for the mother of all smackdowns, on national TV no less.

Easy fix is to implement age based tournaments. I'm just amazed that the Crabs organization promotes this type of play, it's embarrassing to watch these big kids play against much smaller and obviously younger kids. Whenever my kids play against younger kids it's uncomfortable when they beat up on those teams (usually when another team plays up or in games where they combine grades).

Regardless of who's doing it 15 year olds competing w 12 and 13 year olds is unsafe. Those years are the critical growth times for boys so the size and maturity difference makes these situations dangerous. The other part of this that is sad is the real 2020 kids that get pushed away for boys that are 2018 and 2019 age.

They wont make the finals!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"There isn't a rule against it, so it isn't cheating..."

Technically, no, ethically, totally. Which is why this gives so many people heartburn.

I think the Crabs just set themselves up for the mother of all smackdowns, on national TV no less.

My post should not be taken as an endorsement of having kids repeat grades in middle school or in 9th grade for sports reasons. The door to knock on for a morality play answer is US Lacrosse. Club owners see reclassifying as a lucrative angle to 1. place kids in college programs and growing the prestige and future subscriptions to their club, 2. command more leverage over families to pay up to attend numerous events, many of which the same club owners also own in a for profit entity that is separate from the non-profit club they also own, 3. place older for grade kids with prep programs who then return the goodwill through friendly rate or free fields for the club to use. This is a two way street...how much do you think Crabs pays to rent BL's fields? I would guess it is an excellent and somewhat charitable deal from BL to Crabs given the excellent long standing relationship the two entities have had.

US Lacrosse published guidelines for all club play to be age based. Very soon after that the NPYLL became the first league to do grade based teams all the way down through elementary grades, and most other leagues and clubs followed. That shows you where the balance of power is in this sport. My only point is there are no rules against this. Well capitalized parents who want something will pay to obtain it, hence the prep school scene and the reclassified strategies.

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

I was at the Crush vs. Crab game and I don't have a dog in the fight. My son was on an adjacent field and I had some time to kill so I went to watch. It was a great game by two great teams. It was very obvious the age/ size difference between the two teams. If in fact it is true that the Crabs imported players they should be ashamed of themselves. I guess they were desperate for a W. On a personal note to the Crab Dad who turn and stated " You just witnessed history " you gave me a good laugh.

Agree. Ultimately the Crabs' mission is to get their players in a position to be recruited by top schools, they say so right on their homepage. Given that, we should all be concerned that the next generation is being taught that it's ok to game the system for one's own advantage. Feels very 1% and says more about what's wrong with our country than what's right with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the Crush vs. Crab game and I don't have a dog in the fight. My son was on an adjacent field and I had some time to kill so I went to watch. It was a great game by two great teams. It was very obvious the age/ size difference between the two teams. If in fact it is true that the Crabs imported players they should be ashamed of themselves. I guess they were desperate for a W. On a personal note to the Crab Dad who turn and stated " You just witnessed history " you gave me a good laugh.

Funny and sad, obviously the Crabs are a little obsessed with Crush. I wonder if this will impact NLF in any way. I'd imagine it will make Team 91 even more determined to establish a first rate club in Baltmore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

Aloha isn't going to do anything. Nobody is in grade 2020. They have a graduation year of 2020. If the boy is going to 8th grade next year he is eligible. If you think that is crazy than don't schedule your team to go to tournaments without an age limitation or don't go to tournaments where the Crabs play. The reality is that holding your son back can increase the likelihood of him playing in college. The Crabs cater this market. If you don't like it make sure your fees don't go to tournaments that facilitate that behavior. Everything else is just talk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

i guess since they didn't specify 7th grade on 14-15 school year not technically against the rules as they are going into 8th grade. But that is weak and against the spirit of youth sports - or at least they way it should be. Hopefully tournaments will add in "2020 during current or proceeding calendar year" Watching the game I was rooting for Crabs but then hearing they pulled reclassing 8th graders - I wish 91 won.

It was a really good game. IN the long run probably good for the 91 kids to have competitive games, learn how to win close games etc. Crabs goalie made a fantastic save on their lefty attack.

i hadn't seen crush in a few years. i remember them being really big playing our rec team in laxsplash as u11. They had a few big kids this weekend but generally not a big team. So give credit were credit is due - they've been dominant based on talent and hard work. And not bigger faster stronger OLDER.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

Aloha isn't going to do anything. Nobody is in grade 2020. They have a graduation year of 2020. If the boy is going to 8th grade next year he is eligible. If you think that is crazy than don't schedule your team to go to tournaments without an age limitation or don't go to tournaments where the Crabs play. The reality is that holding your son back can increase the likelihood of him playing in college. The Crabs cater this market. If you don't like it make sure your fees don't go to tournaments that facilitate that behavior. Everything else is just talk.

My son is born in late 2002, we've already decided that he'll do a year of post graduate school at a prep school, so technically he'll graduate in 2021. Should we reclass him as a 2021 now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ironic thing about all this nonsense is that I would bet the Crabs would be just as competitive as the rest without the holdbacks. Yes. Even with you premadonas from L.I.

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ironic thing about all this nonsense is that I would bet the Crabs would be just as competitive as the rest without the holdbacks. Yes. Even with you premadonas from L.I.

Doubtful, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle

Your aunt probably does have balls. I love the crying Long Ignorant parents!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the Crush vs. Crab game and I don't have a dog in the fight. My son was on an adjacent field and I had some time to kill so I went to watch. It was a great game by two great teams. It was very obvious the age/ size difference between the two teams. If in fact it is true that the Crabs imported players they should be ashamed of themselves. I guess they were desperate for a W. On a personal note to the Crab Dad who turn and stated " You just witnessed history " you gave me a good laugh.

Funny and sad, obviously the Crabs are a little obsessed with Crush. I wonder if this will impact NLF in any way. I'd imagine it will make Team 91 even more determined to establish a first rate club in Baltmore.

Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They wont make the finals!!

Some of you people totally crack me up!

1. The brackets haven't even been set for Denver
2. I am pretty sure no on knows who will be in the finals, until they win their games
3. Any team that is banking on being on TV better re-evaluate what they are teaching their kids because on any give day, any team can win

From the Aloha website
Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.

It says grade of player and does not say based on anticipated graduation year of the player. They are 8th graders not 7th graders no matter how you look at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

i guess since they didn't specify 7th grade on 14-15 school year not technically against the rules as they are going into 8th grade. But that is weak and against the spirit of youth sports - or at least they way it should be. Hopefully tournaments will add in "2020 during current or proceeding calendar year" Watching the game I was rooting for Crabs but then hearing they pulled reclassing 8th graders - I wish 91 won.

It was a really good game. IN the long run probably good for the 91 kids to have competitive games, learn how to win close games etc. Crabs goalie made a fantastic save on their lefty attack.

i hadn't seen crush in a few years. i remember them being really big playing our rec team in laxsplash as u11. They had a few big kids this weekend but generally not a big team. So give credit were credit is due - they've been dominant based on talent and hard work. And not bigger faster stronger OLDER.

They kind of did...

"Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

The kids in question have just finished 8th grade, they played 2019 this past year. They will repeat 8th grade next season and play as 2020.

While they have their own issues, I see Crush as a talented group of kids who have worked very hard to get where they are. Can't say the same for Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

Look. No one likes it, but the private schools are out of school in Baltimore. The kids that were 2019 are currently enrolled in 8th grade for the 2015/2016 school year, therefore they are 2020 grad year.

Plus, one of the 5 that played was actually in 7th grade this year. He has played on the 2019 team the last two years.

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the Crush vs. Crab game and I don't have a dog in the fight. My son was on an adjacent field and I had some time to kill so I went to watch. It was a great game by two great teams. It was very obvious the age/ size difference between the two teams. If in fact it is true that the Crabs imported players they should be ashamed of themselves. I guess they were desperate for a W. On a personal note to the Crab Dad who turn and stated " You just witnessed history " you gave me a good laugh.

Funny and sad, obviously the Crabs are a little obsessed with Crush. I wonder if this will impact NLF in any way. I'd imagine it will make Team 91 even more determined to establish a first rate club in Baltmore.

Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer?

I guess that remains to be seen. They are a marquee name so that's a draw right there. Once you get to 2019-2020 the teams are pretty well set. If someone is feeling stuck or looking for a change this could provide a quality option.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your aunt probably does have balls. I love the crying Long Ignorant parents!!

I live in Maryland and i did say if, impying that she does not. Crabs minus holdbacks would be competitive with everyone but would be nothing special, to think otherwise is simply ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

Look. No one likes it, but the private schools are out of school in Baltimore. The kids that were 2019 are currently enrolled in 8th grade for the 2015/2016 school year, therefore they are 2020 grad year.

Plus, one of the 5 that played was actually in 7th grade this year. He has played on the 2019 team the last two years.

The kids know what they're doing is wrong. I had a conversation last night with my 12 year old son about the possibility of a kid repeating a year and playing on his team next year instead of the team that's one year older. He was seriously bummed out and said "don't you think that's cheating, having to bring down older players to win?" - and my son's a [lacrosse] in a lot of respects, but i was proud he knows right from wrong in this situation. Crabs, you're a disgraceful organization and hopefully you're embarrassed when you look in the mirror. At least teach your kids to be humble when beating up on younger players, to watch you're cocky long haired kids chest bump and celebrate after their goals like a bunch of lunatics makes your cheating worse.

During the Summer 2015, 2020 is not for kids who just completed 7th it is for kids heading into 8th grade (not necessarily the same thing).

2020A - is for kids heading into 8th grade for the 1st time
2020AA - is for kids heading into 8th grade for the 2nd time

Crush entered the wrong division

Crabs is the best 2020AA team
Crush is the best 2020A team

I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

Look. No one likes it, but the private schools are out of school in Baltimore. The kids that were 2019 are currently enrolled in 8th grade for the 2015/2016 school year, therefore they are 2020 grad year.

Plus, one of the 5 that played was actually in 7th grade this year. He has played on the 2019 team the last two years.

Well then kudos to them for exploiting this loophole and not breaking any "rules", to the rest of us it still smacks of cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

Look. No one likes it, but the private schools are out of school in Baltimore. The kids that were 2019 are currently enrolled in 8th grade for the 2015/2016 school year, therefore they are 2020 grad year.

Plus, one of the 5 that played was actually in 7th grade this year. He has played on the 2019 team the last two years.

The kids know what they're doing is wrong. I had a conversation last night with my 12 year old son about the possibility of a kid repeating a year and playing on his team next year instead of the team that's one year older. He was seriously bummed out and said "don't you think that's cheating, having to bring down older players to win?" - and my son's a [lacrosse] in a lot of respects, but i was proud he knows right from wrong in this situation. Crabs, you're a disgraceful organization and hopefully you're embarrassed when you look in the mirror. At least teach your kids to be humble when beating up on younger players, to watch you're cocky long haired kids chest bump and celebrate after their goals like a bunch of lunatics makes your cheating worse.

did you just refer to your son as a [lacrosse]?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

The Crabs' behavior this weekend may have created a lot of Team 91 fans in Maryland!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"There isn't a rule against it, so it isn't cheating..."

Technically, no, ethically, totally. Which is why this gives so many people heartburn.

I think the Crabs just set themselves up for the mother of all smackdowns, on national TV no less.

Lets hope that more tournaments do a combo age and grade like Denver is doing. The age can be generous enough but will still weed out the cheaters who are a full year or two older.

It's funny that when their kids lose, some parents have to post anonymously and accuse others of cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

There is not one kid on the Breakers 2020AA team that is a holdback. They have 4 or 5 that were born in July and August but they are all legitimate 2020s who have not been left back or held back and managed to tie Crabs losing in OT during the playoff. They would have lost to Crush but Crush should have been the winner anyhow. Before you paint broadly check your facts and if you still doubt it, contact their coach for their report cards for 2014/2015 school year and preceding years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

The Crabs' behavior this weekend may have created a lot of Team 91 fans in Maryland!

FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

The Crabs' behavior this weekend may have created a lot of Team 91 fans in Maryland!

FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!

Wrong. Many kids on the FCA high school teams repeated a grade. Look beyond your own bubble before making a statement like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

The Crabs' behavior this weekend may have created a lot of Team 91 fans in Maryland!

FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!

Crabs doesn't hold kids back. The parents do. Then they take their kids to Crabs tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

Look. No one likes it, but the private schools are out of school in Baltimore. The kids that were 2019 are currently enrolled in 8th grade for the 2015/2016 school year, therefore they are 2020 grad year.

Plus, one of the 5 that played was actually in 7th grade this year. He has played on the 2019 team the last two years.

The kids know what they're doing is wrong. I had a conversation last night with my 12 year old son about the possibility of a kid repeating a year and playing on his team next year instead of the team that's one year older. He was seriously bummed out and said "don't you think that's cheating, having to bring down older players to win?" - and my son's a [lacrosse] in a lot of respects, but i was proud he knows right from wrong in this situation. Crabs, you're a disgraceful organization and hopefully you're embarrassed when you look in the mirror. At least teach your kids to be humble when beating up on younger players, to watch you're cocky long haired kids chest bump and celebrate after their goals like a bunch of lunatics makes your cheating worse.

did you just refer to your son as a [lacrosse]?

Amazing isn't it? Sure that's a fun household.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

There is not one kid on the Breakers 2020AA team that is a holdback. They have 4 or 5 that were born in July and August but they are all legitimate 2020s who have not been left back or held back and managed to tie Crabs losing in OT during the playoff. They would have lost to Crush but Crush should have been the winner anyhow. Before you paint broadly check your facts and if you still doubt it, contact their coach for their report cards for 2014/2015 school year and preceding years.

Can you clarify, is that born in July and August 2001 or 2002?

"FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!"

yes they do, I know several who play FCA and are hold backs.

"There is not one kid on the Breakers 2020AA team that is a holdback. They have 4 or 5 that were born in July and August but they are all legitimate 2020s who have not been left back or held back and managed to tie Crabs losing in OT during the playoff. They would have lost to Crush but Crush should have been the winner anyhow. Before you paint broadly check your facts and if you still doubt it, contact their coach for their report cards for 2014/2015 school year and preceding years."

July and August of 2001? If so, they should be 8th graders...2019 team! If they are on 2020, then they would be 7th graders, born after September 1, 2001.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the Crush vs. Crab game and I don't have a dog in the fight. My son was on an adjacent field and I had some time to kill so I went to watch. It was a great game by two great teams. It was very obvious the age/ size difference between the two teams. If in fact it is true that the Crabs imported players they should be ashamed of themselves. I guess they were desperate for a W. On a personal note to the Crab Dad who turn and stated " You just witnessed history " you gave me a good laugh.

Funny and sad, obviously the Crabs are a little obsessed with Crush. I wonder if this will impact NLF in any way. I'd imagine it will make Team 91 even more determined to establish a first rate club in Baltmore.

Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer?

I guess that remains to be seen. They are a marquee name so that's a draw right there. Once you get to 2019-2020 the teams are pretty well set. If someone is feeling stuck or looking for a change this could provide a quality option.

United and 3D were supposedly marquee names and they are struggling or have thrown in the towel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

The Crabs' behavior this weekend may have created a lot of Team 91 fans in Maryland!

FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!

Crabs doesn't hold kids back. The parents do. Then they take their kids to Crabs tryouts.

Perhaps but bringing kids to a 7th grade tournament who one week ago were sitting in an 8th grade classroom has everything to do with the Crabs and nothing to do with the parents.

this is no different than what happened to the 2019s last year and the 2018s the year before

the team stuff is less significant wait until you start sending your 2020 to individual showcases based on graduation year and realize he is competing with kids 2 years older than him.

a 2020 with a late 2002 birthday will likely be competing against players with a few late 2000 birthdays given the combo of earlier school cutoff found elsewhere in the country and reclassification

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your aunt probably does have balls. I love the crying Long Ignorant parents!!

Wait, your son is afraid to play with kids his own age and we're ignorant? That's funny...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

The Crabs' behavior this weekend may have created a lot of Team 91 fans in Maryland!

FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!

Wrong. Many kids on the FCA high school teams repeated a grade. Look beyond your own bubble before making a statement like that.

FCA also brings kids down from their 2019 team to play 2020 during tournaments. THey also bring some down to win key league play games. Not a secret.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

The Crabs' behavior this weekend may have created a lot of Team 91 fans in Maryland!

FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!

Crabs doesn't hold kids back. The parents do. Then they take their kids to Crabs tryouts.

91 does not have hold backs? That is a laugh, they are graduation based not age based.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

Look. No one likes it, but the private schools are out of school in Baltimore. The kids that were 2019 are currently enrolled in 8th grade for the 2015/2016 school year, therefore they are 2020 grad year.

Plus, one of the 5 that played was actually in 7th grade this year. He has played on the 2019 team the last two years.

The kids know what they're doing is wrong. I had a conversation last night with my 12 year old son about the possibility of a kid repeating a year and playing on his team next year instead of the team that's one year older. He was seriously bummed out and said "don't you think that's cheating, having to bring down older players to win?" - and my son's a [lacrosse] in a lot of respects, but i was proud he knows right from wrong in this situation. Crabs, you're a disgraceful organization and hopefully you're embarrassed when you look in the mirror. At least teach your kids to be humble when beating up on younger players, to watch you're cocky long haired kids chest bump and celebrate after their goals like a bunch of lunatics makes your cheating worse.

So everyone is OK with this? You Can call your kid any inappropriate name on here and it will get posted? Thanks for dialing it back for strangers on line. You must be great at home and on the sidelines once you get comfortable with people!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

The Crabs' behavior this weekend may have created a lot of Team 91 fans in Maryland!

FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!

Wrong. Many kids on the FCA high school teams repeated a grade. Look beyond your own bubble before making a statement like that.

FCA also brings kids down from their 2019 team to play 2020 during tournaments. THey also bring some down to win key league play games. Not a secret.

The kids that they bring down are age appropriate but they just play up to get better. They did not play in beach lax they only played in their one fall tournament

Have been in all three programs and they all have holdbacks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!"

yes they do, I know several who play FCA and are hold backs.

There is not one kid on the Breakers 2020AA team that is a holdback. They have 4 or 5 that were born in July and August but they are all legitimate 2020s who have not been left back or held back and managed to tie Crabs losing in OT during the playoff. They would have lost to Crush but Crush should have been the winner anyhow. Before you paint broadly check your facts and if you still doubt it, contact their coach for their report cards for 2014/2015 school year and preceding years. [/quote]

Am I the only one that thinks it's a little bizarre that the coach would have the kid's report cards in middle school.

91 won 4 out of 10 divisions that they entered teams in. Would have been 5 of 10 if the Crush would have pulled it out. But 4 out of 10 not bad. Even the true lacrosse fans of MD. Can appreciate that percentage . It was a great weekend on nice fields. Thanks for having us

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

There is not one kid on the Breakers 2020AA team that is a holdback. They have 4 or 5 that were born in July and August but they are all legitimate 2020s who have not been left back or held back and managed to tie Crabs losing in OT during the playoff. They would have lost to Crush but Crush should have been the winner anyhow. Before you paint broadly check your facts and if you still doubt it, contact their coach for their report cards for 2014/2015 school year and preceding years.

Can you clarify, is that born in July and August 2001 or 2002?

I am sure they are talking July/August of 2001. I would bet the vast majority of top 2020 teams have a good portion of their team born between June 2001-December 2001. The cutoff for Denver is May 2001. There is a reason the tournament directors moved it back. (I believe it started out as a sept 2001 cutoff, but too many teams said they wouldn't come with that date because they would have to leave multiple players home)
I would be very interested to see the percentages of 2001 and 2002 birthdates on 2020 teams. I would also wonder if any team now has kids with 2000 birthdates.

Don't forget looneys, Hawks, club blue. They too have at least 6 hold backs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget looneys, Hawks, club blue. They too have at least 6 hold backs

Let's not act like MD is the only state with holdbacks. They are everywhere!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is not one kid on the Breakers 2020AA team that is a holdback. They have 4 or 5 that were born in July and August but they are all legitimate 2020s who have not been left back or held back and managed to tie Crabs losing in OT during the playoff. They would have lost to Crush but Crush should have been the winner anyhow. Before you paint broadly check your facts and if you still doubt it, contact their coach for their report cards for 2014/2015 school year and preceding years.

Am I the only one that thinks it's a little bizarre that the coach would have the kid's report cards in middle school.[/quote]

No I do not find it bizarre, I know of a few coaches in various sports, including a private strength trainer, that asks to see MS kids report cards to make sure they are staying on top of their grades. I find it very respectable and wish more would do so.

I actually chuckled at that, no different than referring to your kid (jokingly) as a knucklehead, or whatever. I bet that guy has a great relationship with his kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

There is not one kid on the Breakers 2020AA team that is a holdback. They have 4 or 5 that were born in July and August but they are all legitimate 2020s who have not been left back or held back and managed to tie Crabs losing in OT during the playoff. They would have lost to Crush but Crush should have been the winner anyhow. Before you paint broadly check your facts and if you still doubt it, contact their coach for their report cards for 2014/2015 school year and preceding years.

Can you clarify, is that born in July and August 2001 or 2002?

I am sure they are talking July/August of 2001. I would bet the vast majority of top 2020 teams have a good portion of their team born between June 2001-December 2001. The cutoff for Denver is May 2001. There is a reason the tournament directors moved it back. (I believe it started out as a sept 2001 cutoff, but too many teams said they wouldn't come with that date because they would have to leave multiple players home)
I would be very interested to see the percentages of 2001 and 2002 birthdates on 2020 teams. I would also wonder if any team now has kids with 2000 birthdates.

Don't remember the specifics but Maryland changed the age requirements when the kids born in 2001 were entering kindergarten, as a result there are some kids with summer birthdays who are in the appropriate grade (7th) per the Board of Ed.

I would love to see an aged baded tourney (u15, 14, 13...) with a 9/1 cut off. That would be fun to witness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 won 4 out of 10 divisions that they entered teams in. Would have been 5 of 10 if the Crush would have pulled it out. But 4 out of 10 not bad. Even the true lacrosse fans of MD. Can appreciate that percentage . It was a great weekend on nice fields. Thanks for having us

And thank you for joining us. If you guys hadn't shown up what else would we have to talk about on the Crabs forum!

Not affiliated with any of these clubs, but you whiners are pathetic. It's youth sports. Who cares who wins some random tournament? It's about having fun and getting better.

If one club violates the rules, the tournament will disqualify them. If the Crabs had 2020 kids who had previous played up on 2019 and/or they have kids repeating 8th grade, that's not a violation of the rules.

Reclassification happens in all sports: basketball, football, hockey, baseball, etc.

Get over it. Man, when your son gets his butt kicked in HS by older kids, are you going to make the same complaints? LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In this case, there is a rule against it, from the BeachLax rules page...

Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

Given that there were documented current 8th graders on the Crabs team they were clearly in violation. What say you Aloha?!?

Look. No one likes it, but the private schools are out of school in Baltimore. The kids that were 2019 are currently enrolled in 8th grade for the 2015/2016 school year, therefore they are 2020 grad year.

Plus, one of the 5 that played was actually in 7th grade this year. He has played on the 2019 team the last two years.

The kids know what they're doing is wrong. I had a conversation last night with my 12 year old son about the possibility of a kid repeating a year and playing on his team next year instead of the team that's one year older. He was seriously bummed out and said "don't you think that's cheating, having to bring down older players to win?" - and my son's a [lacrosse] in a lot of respects, but i was proud he knows right from wrong in this situation. Crabs, you're a disgraceful organization and hopefully you're embarrassed when you look in the mirror. At least teach your kids to be humble when beating up on younger players, to watch you're cocky long haired kids chest bump and celebrate after their goals like a bunch of lunatics makes your cheating worse.

did you just refer to your son as a [lacrosse]?

OMG. That is hilarious. Epic fail by that dad.

Not affiliated with any of these clubs, but you whiners are pathetic. It's youth sports. Who cares who wins some random tournament? It's about having fun and getting better.

If one club violates the rules, the tournament will disqualify them. If the Crabs had 2020 kids who had previous played up on 2019 and/or they have kids repeating 8th grade, that's not a violation of the rules.

Reclassification happens in all sports: basketball, football, hockey, baseball, etc.

Get over it. Man, when your son gets his butt kicked in HS by older kids, are you going to make the same complaints? LOL.

HS sports are different then youth sports. going by your argument, we should just have age groups based on four years rather than 1 or 2 years. my kids have played Hockey, football, baseball, soccer and basketball along with lacrosse. None of those sports are all over the place with age groups as lacrosse is. Is USA Lacrosse wants to be taken seriously, they need to address this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would love to see an aged baded tourney (u15, 14, 13...) with a 9/1 cut off. That would be fun to witness.

It's called the U-15 Championship. Birth certificates needed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not affiliated with any of these clubs, but you whiners are pathetic. It's youth sports. Who cares who wins some random tournament? It's about having fun and getting better.

If one club violates the rules, the tournament will disqualify them. If the Crabs had 2020 kids who had previous played up on 2019 and/or they have kids repeating 8th grade, that's not a violation of the rules.

Reclassification happens in all sports: basketball, football, hockey, baseball, etc.

Get over it. Man, when your son gets his butt kicked in HS by older kids, are you going to make the same complaints? LOL.

Obviously you are a one tough guy and dont have time for the debate of YOUTH age base teams vs YOUTH grade based teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If one club violates the rules, the tournament will disqualify them. If the Crabs had 2020 kids who had previous played up on 2019 and/or they have kids repeating 8th grade, that's not a violation of the rules.

They had kids just who just completed 8th grade and played this season as 2019s playing on a 7th grade team. The fact that they are starting 8th grade again does not erase the fact that they were 2019s last year.

Everyone is aware of what happens in high school, this has been discussed often here. By then the physical disparities have evened out and there is a reason why they have JV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not affiliated with any of these clubs, but you whiners are pathetic. It's youth sports. Who cares who wins some random tournament? It's about having fun and getting better.

If one club violates the rules, the tournament will disqualify them. If the Crabs had 2020 kids who had previous played up on 2019 and/or they have kids repeating 8th grade, that's not a violation of the rules.

Reclassification happens in all sports: basketball, football, hockey, baseball, etc.

Get over it. Man, when your son gets his butt kicked in HS by older kids, are you going to make the same complaints? LOL.

Obviously you are a one tough guy and dont have time for the debate of YOUTH age base teams vs YOUTH grade based teams.

Because it's just idiot dads arguing about something that is meaningless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not affiliated with any of these clubs, but you whiners are pathetic. It's youth sports. Who cares who wins some random tournament? It's about having fun and getting better.

If one club violates the rules, the tournament will disqualify them. If the Crabs had 2020 kids who had previous played up on 2019 and/or they have kids repeating 8th grade, that's not a violation of the rules.

Reclassification happens in all sports: basketball, football, hockey, baseball, etc.

Get over it. Man, when your son gets his butt kicked in HS by older kids, are you going to make the same complaints? LOL.

Nope, won't complain then. But why do you have to be a cheating loser when many boys have not hit puberty yet? Don't worry we will be Crackin Crabs in the future and all your scheming will amount to a waste of money and time inflicted on your sons, who will fall behind in the long run. Hope you enjoy your scam of a win, won't last!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not affiliated with any of these clubs, but you whiners are pathetic. It's youth sports. Who cares who wins some random tournament? It's about having fun and getting better.

If one club violates the rules, the tournament will disqualify them. If the Crabs had 2020 kids who had previous played up on 2019 and/or they have kids repeating 8th grade, that's not a violation of the rules.

Reclassification happens in all sports: basketball, football, hockey, baseball, etc.

Get over it. Man, when your son gets his butt kicked in HS by older kids, are you going to make the same complaints? LOL.

Obviously you are a one tough guy and dont have time for the debate of YOUTH age base teams vs YOUTH grade based teams.

Because it's just idiot dads arguing about something that is meaningless.

If it's so meaningless as you say then why would a club apparently move older kids down to a younger team just to win?
As reported there are parents who speak openly about the practice. I'm confused at your opinion and comments because the apparent actions of this club would dictate otherwise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not affiliated with any of these clubs, but you whiners are pathetic. It's youth sports. Who cares who wins some random tournament? It's about having fun and getting better.

If one club violates the rules, the tournament will disqualify them. If the Crabs had 2020 kids who had previous played up on 2019 and/or they have kids repeating 8th grade, that's not a violation of the rules.

Reclassification happens in all sports: basketball, football, hockey, baseball, etc.

Get over it. Man, when your son gets his butt kicked in HS by older kids, are you going to make the same complaints? LOL.

Ask yourself this question? How will your hold back/reclass handle playing against kids his own age or older in HS? If he can't play on age now (if he could you wouldn't have reclassed)how will he ever? Oh, and wait until he has to face older kids, like your decision to re-class forces my kid to handle it now. I suspect your softy will wilt like the petite flower you know he is... Take a look at most of the leading scorers in D-1. Age legit and from LI, it's a common theme. Good luck.

Even though the disparity is less you will still have 19-20 year old holdbacks playing against 16-17 year olds.

The system is broken and must be fixed. Until then we'll keep making noise.

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

I took a PG year in football. That year we had 9 PG's on the team and we ran through everyone. There were times we were playing against sophomores and the refs asked us to tone it down. The PG year worked for me as I was a D2 D3 kid who ended up getting offers and serious looks from many D1AA schools. Many of them great academic schools. Point is, this notion that in HS being one year older doesn't matter, well thats nonsense. Back in the day we decided on PG years (in football) if we thought it would help us get into the school or schools we wanted to. I'm not opposed to the hold back craze. I do think in the Middle School grades that there still should be some sort of age cut off. I may plan to hold my kid back. The difference is I would still have him play with his current team I just would have him go to his grad year at showcase events not normal club tournaments. There is no justification if you have a summer birthday kid say June who starts school late and then reclasses later. Way to large of an age disparity and physical maturity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Can Team 91 really offer anything that most of the 10 other Baltimore area clubs don't already offer"

they can offer competitive lacrosse while keeping the teams honest and truly age based, something Crabs, FCA, and Breakers don't do. Those three put out competitive teams, but do so with hold backs and playing kids down in age groups.

91 will come in and attract top talent because of their name alone, anybody who disputes that is crazy.

The Crabs' behavior this weekend may have created a lot of Team 91 fans in Maryland!

FCA does not hold kids back like crabs and breakers. They follow the rules and are competitive doing so!!

Wrong. Many kids on the FCA high school teams repeated a grade. Look beyond your own bubble before making a statement like that.

FCA also brings kids down from their 2019 team to play 2020 during tournaments. THey also bring some down to win key league play games. Not a secret.

The kids that they bring down are age appropriate but they just play up to get better. They did not play in beach lax they only played in their one fall tournament

That's just not true, a kid on my son's club team last spring/summer had to play 2018 because of his age, but played 2019 FCA over summer in a few tournaments and played FCA 2019 strictly this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is not one kid on the Breakers 2020AA team that is a holdback. They have 4 or 5 that were born in July and August but they are all legitimate 2020s who have not been left back or held back and managed to tie Crabs losing in OT during the playoff. They would have lost to Crush but Crush should have been the winner anyhow. Before you paint broadly check your facts and if you still doubt it, contact their coach for their report cards for 2014/2015 school year and preceding years.

Am I the only one that thinks it's a little bizarre that the coach would have the kid's report cards in middle school.

No I do not find it bizarre, I know of a few coaches in various sports, including a private strength trainer, that asks to see MS kids report cards to make sure they are staying on top of their grades. I find it very respectable and wish more would do so. [/quote

Keeping on top of the subject of grades is one thing, being able to produce a kid's report card is another. I have been coaching for over 30 years and in my opinion, the youth coach should be encouraging kids to perform well in the class room and be good citizen's on and off of the field, but a child's report card is really none of his business unless he has a son on the team and he is looking at his report card. It is the parent's job to make sure a child is getting the grades that he should attaining, it is the coaches job to reinforce that.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

Bravo - spot on, it's you MD parents that are insane. You consciously cheat, and you live in Baltimore.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

FCA 2019's starting attack and goalie are true 2020's. not holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

Can he play in Denver?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

If he was just in 7th grade then he is a 2020. Let's focus on the ones who just finished 8th grade and will be in 8th grade again in September, there were a few of them and the parents were very open about that.

They're claiming that they didn't break any rules, a lack of rules does not make it right. To the rest of us it looks, feels, and smells wromg.

Unfortunately this is an accepted practice with these people and the club feeds off of it. Don't expect things to change until more tournaments put in age restrictions. Even better, if tournaments had some backbone they would tell these teams that they are not welcome. Until then just need to call it out whenever we see it.

In the meantime looking forward to the rematch in Denver, never thought I'd say this but...go Crush!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

[quote=Anonymous]LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

They would ALL like him to play on their team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA 2019's starting attack and goalie are true 2020's. not holdbacks

If true, that is two of the several players that they change between 2019 and 2020 depending on who they are playing. Pick a roster and stay with it. The Club does not seem to be looking out for the development of the kids on the true 2020 roster if you are sending the message they need the help for the tough games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA 2019's starting attack and goalie are true 2020's. not holdbacks

Thank you. This is what I was trying to explain

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

If he was just in 7th grade then he is a 2020. Let's focus on the ones who just finished 8th grade and will be in 8th grade again in September, there were a few of them and the parents were very open about that.

They're claiming that they didn't break any rules, a lack of rules does not make it right. To the rest of us it looks, feels, and smells wromg.

Unfortunately this is an accepted practice with these people and the club feeds off of it. Don't expect things to change until more tournaments put in age restrictions. Even better, if tournaments had some backbone they would tell these teams that they are not welcome. Until then just need to call it out whenever we see it.

In the meantime looking forward to the rematch in Denver, never thought I'd say this but...go Crush!

So he started as a 2019 until he repeated a grade(just not this year) and now Crabs are switching his grade to 2020 which still makes him a holdback and 1-2 years older than the true 7th graders depending on whether he had a pre 1st year in addition to the repeat year. In addition, several of the kids who were added to the already over-age 2020 roster just graduated 8th grade from Baltimore private schools last week and are reclassing to repeat 8th grade next year and they, their parents and their Club were okay with them playing with kids still in 7th grade. Locally, everyone knows the kids playing on the higher level teams and their schools etc. so there is really no defending Crabs actions this weekend. These kids made the 2019 team this past fall, played 2019 in fall and spring and are now suddenly playing 2020 this past weekend while they are still listed out there as 2019 Crabs in many web locations. And the ones that went to private from the beginning already had a one year advantage via pre-1st. It is a joke - they all looked like grown men next to the 12 and 13 year olds and their parents and clubs do not see this as wrong? Poor kids.

That player Can Not play in Denver misses the cut off . Sure that surprises....no one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That player Can Not play in Denver misses the cut off . Sure that surprises....no one

Well then kudos to the organizers for instituting the date cutoff, hopefully the beginning of a trend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA 2019's starting attack and goalie are true 2020's. not holdbacks

If true, that is two of the several players that they change between 2019 and 2020 depending on who they are playing. Pick a roster and stay with it. The Club does not seem to be looking out for the development of the kids on the true 2020 roster if you are sending the message they need the help for the tough games.

Are you just mad that they beat your team? So you try and say that they cheat to make you feel better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That player Can Not play in Denver misses the cut off . Sure that surprises....no one

what tournament is in denver that is being referred to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not affiliated with any of these clubs, but you whiners are pathetic. It's youth sports. Who cares who wins some random tournament? It's about having fun and getting better.

If one club violates the rules, the tournament will disqualify them. If the Crabs had 2020 kids who had previous played up on 2019 and/or they have kids repeating 8th grade, that's not a violation of the rules.

Reclassification happens in all sports: basketball, football, hockey, baseball, etc.

Get over it. Man, when your son gets his butt kicked in HS by older kids, are you going to make the same complaints? LOL.

HS sports are different then youth sports. going by your argument, we should just have age groups based on four years rather than 1 or 2 years. my kids have played Hockey, football, baseball, soccer and basketball along with lacrosse. None of those sports are all over the place with age groups as lacrosse is. Is USA Lacrosse wants to be taken seriously, they need to address this.

Exactly ..Only in the wild world of lacrosse is the Team ages/grades all over the place. What is best for club and select few,,not what is best overall... Soccer is an example that cleaned their act up...Such a easy simple solution with cards and age...School teams still get to do what ever they want..but youth sports in soccer is under control by adults ...not children like Ryan and his type.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

That is easy...
Play with his age until he gets on his school middle or HS team. what is so hard to see and comprehend ?????
Are you telling me Crabs wont let him play with children his age ??? Spare us that BS...Crabs do whatever they want with ages and grades!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

[quote=Anonymous]LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

They would ALL like him to play on their team.

Can he play in Denver?

heard this the other day. this crabs team has parents holding their kids back a grade or two so they can dominate Lmao!! Yeah that's just great. Jack asses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

So the child's grades were failing but he still had time to go to practices, games, tournaments with Crabs. Yep those parents have their priorities down ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

If he was just in 7th grade then he is a 2020. Let's focus on the ones who just finished 8th grade and will be in 8th grade again in September, there were a few of them and the parents were very open about that.

They're claiming that they didn't break any rules, a lack of rules does not make it right. To the rest of us it looks, feels, and smells wromg.

Unfortunately this is an accepted practice with these people and the club feeds off of it. Don't expect things to change until more tournaments put in age restrictions. Even better, if tournaments had some backbone they would tell these teams that they are not welcome. Until then just need to call it out whenever we see it.

In the meantime looking forward to the rematch in Denver, never thought I'd say this but...go Crush!

So he started as a 2019 until he repeated a grade(just not this year) and now Crabs are switching his grade to 2020 which still makes him a holdback and 1-2 years older than the true 7th graders depending on whether he had a pre 1st year in addition to the repeat year. In addition, several of the kids who were added to the already over-age 2020 roster just graduated 8th grade from Baltimore private schools last week and are reclassing to repeat 8th grade next year and they, their parents and their Club were okay with them playing with kids still in 7th grade. Locally, everyone knows the kids playing on the higher level teams and their schools etc. so there is really no defending Crabs actions this weekend. These kids made the 2019 team this past fall, played 2019 in fall and spring and are now suddenly playing 2020 this past weekend while they are still listed out there as 2019 Crabs in many web locations. And the ones that went to private from the beginning already had a one year advantage via pre-1st. It is a joke - they all looked like grown men next to the 12 and 13 year olds and their parents and clubs do not see this as wrong? Poor kids.

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

So the child's grades were failing but he still had time to go to practices, games, tournaments with Crabs. Yep those parents have their priorities down ...

Or maybe he has a learning disability you jackass...Jesus. You are talking about a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

That is easy...
Play with his age until he gets on his school middle or HS team. what is so hard to see and comprehend ?????
Are you telling me Crabs wont let him play with children his age ??? Spare us that BS...Crabs do whatever they want with ages and grades!

He played with the 8th grade team at his school last year. Played with his own grade 7th grade team this year. You guys do realize you are talking about a kid here right? A kid that is in 7th grade and did not go to prefirst. So he's big and fast and a dominant player. He MUST be cheating then right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

If he was just in 7th grade then he is a 2020. Let's focus on the ones who just finished 8th grade and will be in 8th grade again in September, there were a few of them and the parents were very open about that.

They're claiming that they didn't break any rules, a lack of rules does not make it right. To the rest of us it looks, feels, and smells wromg.

Unfortunately this is an accepted practice with these people and the club feeds off of it. Don't expect things to change until more tournaments put in age restrictions. Even better, if tournaments had some backbone they would tell these teams that they are not welcome. Until then just need to call it out whenever we see it.

In the meantime looking forward to the rematch in Denver, never thought I'd say this but...go Crush!

So he started as a 2019 until he repeated a grade(just not this year) and now Crabs are switching his grade to 2020 which still makes him a holdback and 1-2 years older than the true 7th graders depending on whether he had a pre 1st year in addition to the repeat year. In addition, several of the kids who were added to the already over-age 2020 roster just graduated 8th grade from Baltimore private schools last week and are reclassing to repeat 8th grade next year and they, their parents and their Club were okay with them playing with kids still in 7th grade. Locally, everyone knows the kids playing on the higher level teams and their schools etc. so there is really no defending Crabs actions this weekend. These kids made the 2019 team this past fall, played 2019 in fall and spring and are now suddenly playing 2020 this past weekend while they are still listed out there as 2019 Crabs in many web locations. And the ones that went to private from the beginning already had a one year advantage via pre-1st. It is a joke - they all looked like grown men next to the 12 and 13 year olds and their parents and clubs do not see this as wrong? Poor kids.

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites

The kid in question did not go to prefirst. Maybe sometimes kids need to repeat a grade for academic reasons?!? I guess those selfish parents should tell him to figure out his learning issues because they don't want him to dominate the other 4th grade boys in lacrosse. He has played 1 or 2 years above his grade level in school and for Crabs. He is not allowed to keep playing with the 2019s because he isn't in high school. He is a good kid and a great lacrosse player. You people are unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That player Can Not play in Denver misses the cut off . Sure that surprises....no one

Well then kudos to the organizers for instituting the date cutoff, hopefully the beginning of a trend.

Let's hope the trend continues for grade based tourneys with accompanying age restrictions. Not sure how to get the tourney organizers to realize this is what most people want and to encourage them not to cater to the clubs that manipulate the system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

If he was just in 7th grade then he is a 2020. Let's focus on the ones who just finished 8th grade and will be in 8th grade again in September, there were a few of them and the parents were very open about that.

They're claiming that they didn't break any rules, a lack of rules does not make it right. To the rest of us it looks, feels, and smells wromg.

Unfortunately this is an accepted practice with these people and the club feeds off of it. Don't expect things to change until more tournaments put in age restrictions. Even better, if tournaments had some backbone they would tell these teams that they are not welcome. Until then just need to call it out whenever we see it.

In the meantime looking forward to the rematch in Denver, never thought I'd say this but...go Crush!

So he started as a 2019 until he repeated a grade(just not this year) and now Crabs are switching his grade to 2020 which still makes him a holdback and 1-2 years older than the true 7th graders depending on whether he had a pre 1st year in addition to the repeat year. In addition, several of the kids who were added to the already over-age 2020 roster just graduated 8th grade from Baltimore private schools last week and are reclassing to repeat 8th grade next year and they, their parents and their Club were okay with them playing with kids still in 7th grade. Locally, everyone knows the kids playing on the higher level teams and their schools etc. so there is really no defending Crabs actions this weekend. These kids made the 2019 team this past fall, played 2019 in fall and spring and are now suddenly playing 2020 this past weekend while they are still listed out there as 2019 Crabs in many web locations. And the ones that went to private from the beginning already had a one year advantage via pre-1st. It is a joke - they all looked like grown men next to the 12 and 13 year olds and their parents and clubs do not see this as wrong? Poor kids.

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

There are holdback teams in NY too. Both states are equally guilty of having certain teams that do this and having isolated players across other teams. Generalizing about all teams in either state is childish when we should be working together to encourage promoters not to allow it at any tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That player Can Not play in Denver misses the cut off . Sure that surprises....no one

what tournament is in denver that is being referred to?

Warrior World Series of Lacrosse, or something like that, July 2-4. The championship game will be on ESPN2.

All participants must prove that they were born after May 1st (31st?) of 2001. As a result, many of the kids on the Crabs team that won this weekend are not eligible to play.

Curent invitees...

� 3d Select Colorado

� C2C Dallas (Texas)

� Baltimore Lacrosse Club (Md.)

� Denver Elite (Colo.)

� Eclipse Lacrosse Club (Conn.)

� Leading Edge Elite 2020 (N.J.)

� Michigan Warriors (Mich.)

� Rising Sons Lacrosse (Penn.)

� Team 91 Crush (N.Y.)

� Team Carolina (N.C.)

So everyone from LI says that they know that the Crabs, Edge, FCA, Hawks etc... Cheat by bringing older kids down from one grad year to another to play and what a shame or disgrace it is....that is crap. All you lacrosse holy rollers from LI need to stuff it. The Beachlax tournament offered both grade and age based divisions so if you were so worried about the big bad cheaters coming down and being unfair to junior, then your club should have entered the age based division, but no. Instead you rather play with the big boys then complain when you lose. So next time make sure you enter junior in age based or don't complain about something you claim that you know for fact that other clubs cheat. Give it a rest! Or just maybe you would have been exposed with older players had you entrred the age based division?

And from what I witness from attending prospect days with my sons, it is not the Crabs, Canadians, FCA or others that you claim cheat rolling out of the drivers side of dad's car at registration. Instead they are the cars with PA, NY and NJ Plates that have players with LI EXPRESS, leading edge, BBL and Dukes shorts. So stop the we honor the game and the rest cheat BS. Get in where you fit in or stop crying ladies.

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites [/quote]

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games[/quote]

If you think those kids on Crabs were average players at the 2019 level you are kidding yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That player Can Not play in Denver misses the cut off . Sure that surprises....no one

what tournament is in denver that is being referred to?

Warrior World Series of Lacrosse, or something like that, July 2-4. The championship game will be on ESPN2.

All participants must prove that they were born after May 1st (31st?) of 2001. As a result, many of the kids on the Crabs team that won this weekend are not eligible to play.

Curent invitees...

� 3d Select Colorado

� C2C Dallas (Texas)

� Baltimore Lacrosse Club (Md.)

� Denver Elite (Colo.)

� Eclipse Lacrosse Club (Conn.)

� Leading Edge Elite 2020 (N.J.)

� Michigan Warriors (Mich.)

� Rising Sons Lacrosse (Penn.)

� Team 91 Crush (N.Y.)

� Team Carolina (N.C.)

How did they choose these teams? Team Carolina (Cyclones) is the only team from the southern region and they played in the B bracket of their own tournament last weekend. They are probably the third best u13 team in south Charlotte.

Not sure but since this is their inaugural year I'd cut them some slack. Their site says that there will be a formal qualifying process for 2016.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So everyone from LI says that they know that the Crabs, Edge, FCA, Hawks etc... Cheat by bringing older kids down from one grad year to another to play and what a shame or disgrace it is....that is crap. All you lacrosse holy rollers from LI need to stuff it. The Beachlax tournament offered both grade and age based divisions so if you were so worried about the big bad cheaters coming down and being unfair to junior, then your club should have entered the age based division, but no. Instead you rather play with the big boys then complain when you lose. So next time make sure you enter junior in age based or don't complain about something you claim that you know for fact that other clubs cheat. Give it a rest! Or just maybe you would have been exposed with older players had you entrred the age based division?

And from what I witness from attending prospect days with my sons, it is not the Crabs, Canadians, FCA or others that you claim cheat rolling out of the drivers side of dad's car at registration. Instead they are the cars with PA, NY and NJ Plates that have players with LI EXPRESS, leading edge, BBL and Dukes shorts. So stop the we honor the game and the rest cheat BS. Get in where you fit in or stop crying ladies.

You make it sound like it is okay to cheat. Feel even sorrier for you now. Keep justifying what you are doing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

That is easy...
Play with his age until he gets on his school middle or HS team. what is so hard to see and comprehend ?????
Are you telling me Crabs wont let him play with children his age ??? Spare us that BS...Crabs do whatever they want with ages and grades!

He played with the 8th grade team at his school last year. Played with his own grade 7th grade team this year. You guys do realize you are talking about a kid here right? A kid that is in 7th grade and did not go to prefirst. So he's big and fast and a dominant player. He MUST be cheating then right?

If he repeated a grade then yes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games[/quote]

If you think those kids on Crabs were average players at the 2019 level you are kidding yourself. [/quote]

The 2019 kids that played with the 2020 teamlast weekend are average. That is why tney are repeating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

That is easy...
Play with his age until he gets on his school middle or HS team. what is so hard to see and comprehend ?????
Are you telling me Crabs wont let him play with children his age ??? Spare us that BS...Crabs do whatever they want with ages and grades!

He played with the 8th grade team at his school last year. Played with his own grade 7th grade team this year. You guys do realize you are talking about a kid here right? A kid that is in 7th grade and did not go to prefirst. So he's big and fast and a dominant player. He MUST be cheating then right?

If he repeated a grade then yes.

Yes, if he is so big, fast and dominant, and had to repeat for "academic" reasons, he should play with the grade he is supposed to be in. Otherwise it is manipulative and cheating. People claim they want to "grow the game" this type of behavior just makes people disgusted with the game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

So the child's grades were failing but he still had time to go to practices, games, tournaments with Crabs. Yep those parents have their priorities down ...

Or maybe he has a learning disability you jackass...Jesus. You are talking about a kid.

I thought I was talking about the parents. Children do what their parents tell them at this age. Arent they doing what is right for their child jackass... Jesus. Remember this about youth sports for all of lacrosse. Not just the Crabs world and a select group of parents who have skewed the system to get a select group an advantage...

Agree, they are not great but average. Size mattered. 91 players have better stick skills and iq. This will play out down the road.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

That is easy...
Play with his age until he gets on his school middle or HS team. what is so hard to see and comprehend ?????
Are you telling me Crabs wont let him play with children his age ??? Spare us that BS...Crabs do whatever they want with ages and grades!

He played with the 8th grade team at his school last year. Played with his own grade 7th grade team this year. You guys do realize you are talking about a kid here right? A kid that is in 7th grade and did not go to prefirst. So he's big and fast and a dominant player. He MUST be cheating then right?

Once again....Play with his age. At school he gets to play down?? Am I missing something? He is in 8th grade supposed to be in 9th. At school he gets to play on his School team..and in YOUTH SPORTS he should play with his age??? Whats so hard to understand?/ Do we change everything in Youth lax for the select private school kids that are heldback???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games[/quote]

If you think those kids on Crabs were average players at the 2019 level you are kidding yourself. [/quote]

Then why in the world did they play down?? Since they are super stars playing at their age , what are they super super stars playing down an age. You Crab parent and admirers need to hire a PR firm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games

If you think those kids on Crabs were average players at the 2019 level you are kidding yourself. [/quote]

The 2019 kids that played with the 2020 teamlast weekend are average. That is why tney are repeating. [/quote]

It is not their fault. Last year, 7of the 2018 Crabs repeated and are now on the 2019 team. The 2019 kids that are now playing with 2020 have been pushed down and can't compete with the 2018 players. It is a vicious cycle. I am not sure who benefits other than BL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That player Can Not play in Denver misses the cut off . Sure that surprises....no one

what tournament is in denver that is being referred to?

Warrior World Series of Lacrosse, or something like that, July 2-4. The championship game will be on ESPN2.

All participants must prove that they were born after May 1st (31st?) of 2001. As a result, many of the kids on the Crabs team that won this weekend are not eligible to play.

Curent invitees...

� 3d Select Colorado

� C2C Dallas (Texas)

� Baltimore Lacrosse Club (Md.)

� Denver Elite (Colo.)

� Eclipse Lacrosse Club (Conn.)

� Leading Edge Elite 2020 (N.J.)

� Michigan Warriors (Mich.)

� Rising Sons Lacrosse (Penn.)

� Team 91 Crush (N.Y.)

� Team Carolina (N.C.)

Grade based teams have really influence this youth lacrosse tournament. Totally ignoring USL guidelines of Sept 1, says alot about the sorry state of lacrosse and the cheating to skew the youth lacrosse system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games

If you think those kids on Crabs were average players at the 2019 level you are kidding yourself. [/quote]

The 2019 kids that played with the 2020 teamlast weekend are average. That is why tney are repeating. [/quote]

They were not average on 2019. Their parents did not trust in their skills and wanted to try and guarantee them the best college placement and some high school glory days instead of worrying about the kind of men they will become with morals and character. Another case of parents living through their kids with no idea of the message they are sending .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games

If you think those kids on Crabs were average players at the 2019 level you are kidding yourself.

The 2019 kids that played with the 2020 teamlast weekend are average. That is why tney are repeating. [/quote]

It is not their fault. Last year, 7of the 2018 Crabs repeated and are now on the 2019 team. The 2019 kids that are now playing with 2020 have been pushed down and can't compete with the 2018 players. It is a vicious cycle. I am not sure who benefits other than BL.

[/quote]

It is not the kids fault but it is the parents. They could stand up and say "no" rather than drinking the kool aid that their child needs to reclass. Find another team that does not promote older kids playing against kids 1-2 years younger just to call themselves "winners". Is being a Crab that important that you want to let your child have the stigma of repeating a grade because they were not good enough?

The Crabs organization is well known for playing reclassified players. Their NPYLL 2020 team rolled through the regular season until barely squeaking by the Annapolis team in OT in the championship game. I watched several of the younger kids Crabs games at Boys Latin two weeks ago and it is obvious that this win at all costs approach by playing older, bigger, faster kids who belong in a grade or two above is their MO. This is a danger to the kids and should not be allowed. Ultimately - it is the responsibility of the parents and coaches to end this practice. Unfortunately it is going to take someone getting severely injured before anything is done.

Learning disability? That you found out about---not in preschool, 1st, 2nd or even 3rd grade--but in 7th grade? Convenient excuse. It is all about lacrosse.

Why doesn't anybody hold U.S. Lacrosse responsible? They are the governing body of the sport. I don't see lacrosse being taken seriously until this is ironed out. If other sports don't have this issue, then why is it so unique and accepted by the Maryland lacrosse community?

1. If a kid was formerly in the class of 2019 and that family decided to reclassify him, he is now in the class of 2020. You guys have myopic viewpoints because you haven't been watching lacrosse long enough, but this has been occurring without incident for years.

2. I am not with the Crabs, but they are far from the only club with reclassified kids. It may not happen often on LI, but it happens frequently in the Mid-Atlantic. Why aren't you posting about the Duke's, Madlax, etc. having reclassified kids? Madlax had a 9th grader in a VA public school insist on being kept on JV because they knew he was going to reclassify to a VA private school and is now part of their 2019 team. Why not post about it on the Madlax thread?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why doesn't anybody hold U.S. Lacrosse responsible? They are the governing body of the sport. I don't see lacrosse being taken seriously until this is ironed out. If other sports don't have this issue, then why is it so unique and accepted by the Maryland lacrosse community?

Responsible for what? USL is not in control of these clubs and tourneys. They publish rules and guidelines but have no means to enforce.

This is not accepted by the Maryland lacrosse community, it is a practice unique to the private schools in Baltilmore, the Crabs are the primary beneficiary/enabler.

At the end of the day, that club places a lot of kids in good colleges, that's what it's all about for them. College coaches don't care how old a kid is when he joins the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games

Best comment so far... LOL!!!!

Anyone who holds their kid back a grade (or two) for the sole purpose of playing Lacrosse is a [lacrosse] bag.

With respect to MadLax, as a matter of fact, there is a public school player who is a rising 10th grader (ie Class of 2018)(and played for Madlax 2018 this year) who has "reclassified" himself for Club lacrosse purposes only and will play for MadLax 2019 starting this summer, although he will not be held back in school. This is being justified because he has decided to take a PG year after he graduates from high school in order to better his chances to play Division 1 lacrosse in college and for no other reason. He has a May 2000 birthday so in all honesty his age matches up to many 2019 players. But Crabs and private school players cannot be singled out here. It is everywhere.

Maybe the most hysterical thing here is seeing this for what it really is. Crabs is just one club, and as someone noted it is the parents determining the repeat grade strategy. Sure the clubs are enablers and fans of it, but look past that for the moment and consider this. Aren't early recruiters looking for the most polished 8th graders making a TERRIBLE analysis here? I have sons two years apart and it would be hysterical to watch my now mid teen boy out there with kids all of whom are 12-24 months younger. He is big and developed for his age and if he had that advantage it would make him look like LeBron James playing against my accountant 1 on 1. The repeat a grade kids are in that position because they were smaller / weaker than their peer group, so this strategy more than compensates for that when they are in middle school or 9th grade. But it degrades over time. College lacrosse coaches don't factor that in? Sounds good to me. Expect some really attractive college coaching jobs to open up pretty soon at schools like UVa and UNC then. Anyone in disagreement, please go right ahead and point to all those great NCAA tournament runs those two programs have enjoyed lately. I only expect that to continue, and for the puberty gamesmanship to continue to fail harder as these kids age up.

At the end of the day, that club places a lot of kids in good colleges, that's what it's all about for them. College coaches don't care how old a kid is when he joins the team.[/quote]

I agree college recruiting is the source of the problem. People are holding back their kids for lacrosse in order for them to go to a better college and the reality is that for some kids it works. There is no way to stop this practice.

What is particularly frustrating about the Crabs is that it didn't help the 2019 kids being held back to play with the 2020's this summer. They would have been better served playing a higher level of competition this summer with kids their own age. No tournament has a rule against playing up so the claim that the boys had nowhere else to play is pure BS. Playing those boys in 2020 only helped the Crabs win a game. While technically within the rules it is shows terrible sportsmanship and is detrimental the kids themselves. Adults who show poor sportsmanship and harm the kids for their own ego and financial benefit should be sanctioned by the lacrosse community.

US lacrosse does not have any real power. Complaining about holdbacks and then having your son play in CrabFeast or Young Gunz is pure hypocrisy. Money talks. Either clubs that are trying to do the right thing are going to tell tournaments that they won't play without an age limitation on the grades or the practice will continue.

[lacrosse]'s and the new World Series of Lacrosse realize there has to be at least a loose restriction on age or they won't have any credibility. Teams need to put the same pressure on the tournament organizers to maintain their credibility.

You are so wrong. That's laughable. L.I. Kids DO NOT have better skills and/or IQ. It's quite the opposite. Historically MD kids are taught the game and L.I. Kids like to intimidate and be more physical. Case in point team 91. Look at how the the owner of the program played/teaches. They play like their parents act on the sidelines. What a ship of fools.

What's tough is that if you run a legit age-eligible team that is trying to improve to a point where you can compete with AA hotbed teams, no matter how hard your kids work and successful you are as a coach in developing your team, you can't compete with holdbacks. True to a much lesser extent with teams with lots of Spring/Summer birthdays.

That said, first world problem and I can see why it makes sense for kids to be reclassified so they can use college lacrosse to get into a better school (sure not worth it financially). Classic tragedy of the commons, however. Everyone would be better off if there was a standard age cutoff and kids didn't have to give up one or two of their prime earning years between college and retirement (pre-K and reclassing and PG take that year or two away irrevocably).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so wrong. That's laughable. L.I. Kids DO NOT have better skills and/or IQ. It's quite the opposite. Historically MD kids are taught the game and L.I. Kids like to intimidate and be more physical. Case in point team 91. Look at how the the owner of the program played/teaches. They play like their parents act on the sidelines. What a ship of fools.

i'm a baltimore guy. i don't what game you were watching but the 91 kids are off the charts with skills and IQ. Crabs noticeably bigger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so wrong. That's laughable. L.I. Kids DO NOT have better skills and/or IQ. It's quite the opposite. Historically MD kids are taught the game and L.I. Kids like to intimidate and be more physical. Case in point team 91. Look at how the the owner of the program played/teaches. They play like their parents act on the sidelines. What a ship of fools.

i'm a baltimore guy. i don't what game you were watching but the 91 kids are off the charts with skills and IQ. Crabs noticeably bigger

Intimidation and physicality - must be confusing LI teams with Canadians.

Agree 100% - team 91 skills are excellent, Crush second to none in their age group. Crabs game a prime example of skill vs sheer size/strength. In this case skill lost out but I think that was a fluke.

Long Island will always have some of the top players with excellent skills and IQ, we are never the biggest teams at any tournament. if we are physical, then it speaks volumes for the toughness of our kids to play against bigger and older kids. but we win because we are not only aggressive but skilled.
You cant argue that point

With respect to MadLax, as a matter of fact, there is a public school player who is a rising 10th grader (ie Class of 2018)(and played for Madlax 2018 this year) who has "reclassified" himself for Club lacrosse purposes only and will play for MadLax 2019 starting this summer, although he will not be held back in school. This is being justified because he has decided to take a PG year after he graduates from high school in order to better his chances to play Division 1 lacrosse in college and for no other reason. He has a May 2000 birthday so in all honesty his age matches up to many 2019 players. But Crabs and private school players cannot be singled out here. It is everywhere.

There is no way this could actually be happening...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Learning disability? That you found out about---not in preschool, 1st, 2nd or even 3rd grade--but in 7th grade? Convenient excuse. It is all about lacrosse.

Did anyone say he repeated 7th grade? No. He repeated a grade in elementary school. But whatever helps you feel better about yourself.

So you are saying all LI teams are more aggressive and skilled than their non-LI opponents.

Got it.

So Madlax is playing a kid down because "he might" do a PG year after high school?? What's next... maybe they will play a kid down 4 years because "he might" go into military active duty after high school before he attends college??

What I saw at the Crabs/T91 game was a Crabs team using older/bigger players to beat a more talented teams. I watched a lot of NPYLL games this year and no other organization across the board uses reclassification to game the system in order to win games like the Crabs organization does. NPYLL and all tournaments needs to institute some sort of an age restriction to prevent the sandbagging going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. If a kid was formerly in the class of 2019 and that family decided to reclassify him, he is now in the class of 2020. You guys have myopic viewpoints because you haven't been watching lacrosse long enough, but this has been occurring without incident for years.

2. I am not with the Crabs, but they are far from the only club with reclassified kids. It may not happen often on LI, but it happens frequently in the Mid-Atlantic. Why aren't you posting about the Duke's, Madlax, etc. having reclassified kids? Madlax had a 9th grader in a VA public school insist on being kept on JV because they knew he was going to reclassify to a VA private school and is now part of their 2019 team. Why not post about it on the Madlax thread?

1. Just because it's been going on for a long time does not mean it's right. If the sport is to continue growing, practices like this will have to cease. There needs to be a standard that everyone follows to take this decision out of the hands of families - just like every other youth sport.

2. current debate is in respronse to the crabs 2020 team at beach lax. When Madlax shows up in the finals of a major (regional) tournament with a bunch of holdbacks we'll call them on it too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you are saying all LI teams are more aggressive and skilled than their non-LI opponents.

Got it.

Pretty much, I guarantee that if you were to put teams from every region together and have the boys all be the same age, you would definitely have Long Island dominate.

I have been coaching and watching over the years on Long Island. I can tell you that I know of only a handful of kids who have reclassified. the number of these kids are minimal compared to other regions. I guarantee that 1 or 2 of the Maryland programs have more reclassifies than all of Long Island.

compare apples to apples and Long Island will always have the best tasting apples.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you are saying all LI teams are more aggressive and skilled than their non-LI opponents.

Got it.

Pretty much, I guarantee that if you were to put teams from every region together and have the boys all be the same age, you would definitely have Long Island dominate.

I have been coaching and watching over the years on Long Island. I can tell you that I know of only a handful of kids who have reclassified. the number of these kids are minimal compared to other regions. I guarantee that 1 or 2 of the Maryland programs have more reclassifies than all of Long Island.

compare apples to apples and Long Island will always have the best tasting apples.

And apparently the most humble apples as well

What do you think the ranking is among Maryland teams for 2020?

There are no rankings. This is youth lax. Enjoy it

what is the argument against having u9, u10, u11 and so on based off a firm birthdate? This eliminates holdbacks, and allows kids to compete against their peers.

Crabs by default because they reclassify. After that - Hawks then Breakers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you are saying all LI teams are more aggressive and skilled than their non-LI opponents.

Got it.

Pretty much, I guarantee that if you were to put teams from every region together and have the boys all be the same age, you would definitely have Long Island dominate.

I have been coaching and watching over the years on Long Island. I can tell you that I know of only a handful of kids who have reclassified. the number of these kids are minimal compared to other regions. I guarantee that 1 or 2 of the Maryland programs have more reclassifies than all of Long Island.

compare apples to apples and Long Island will always have the best tasting apples.

Good to know you have been stalking LI boys for decades.

That is a silly generalization. With the exception of T91 - the rest of the teams I have seen out of Long Island are competitive - but nothing spectacular.

Strictly talking 2020AA:

1. Baltimore Lacrosse Club
2. Breakers
3. Annapolis Hawks
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6. Roughriders
7. Arden Diamonbacks
8. Madlax (Rock)
9. Thunder
10. MDX

Ranking:

Crabs
Hawks
Breakers
Looneys
FCA

As far as Crabs/Crush goes, part of the issue is that Beach Lax games are played on short fields and are short-timed. On a full field with regulation time, Crush smokes Crabs. Crabs is not much better than Hawks, Breakers, FCA or Looneys. We are from Baltimore and have played them all.

As for the holdbacks on Crabs, it is a fact that they have 8 holdbacks from Mater Dei and other private schools. I do not know who they brought down for Beach Lax, but they played with 8 all year. If they brought down 2-3 more, then they had 10-11 for Crush. Sad, but true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs by default because they reclassify. After that - Hawks then Breakers.

Looney's probably ahead of Hawks (who were eliminated from Beach Lax by Breakers) but they were beaten by FCA.

Crabs last game against looneys, Hawks, and breakers all decided by one goal.

# 2-5 all pretty even, good competition between them all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you are saying all LI teams are more aggressive and skilled than their non-LI opponents.

Got it.

Pretty much, I guarantee that if you were to put teams from every region together and have the boys all be the same age, you would definitely have Long Island dominate.

I have been coaching and watching over the years on Long Island. I can tell you that I know of only a handful of kids who have reclassified. the number of these kids are minimal compared to other regions. I guarantee that 1 or 2 of the Maryland programs have more reclassifies than all of Long Island.

compare apples to apples and Long Island will always have the best tasting apples.

And apparently the most humble apples as well

More importantly, honest apples. Something you rotten apples can't deal with...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs by default because they reclassify. After that - Hawks then Breakers.

What about FCA they tied Hawks this past weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs by default because they reclassify. After that - Hawks then Breakers.

There are many clubs with reclassified kids, you dolt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs by default because they reclassify. After that - Hawks then Breakers.

Forgetting a few. Agree Crabs by default because they are predominantly older.
Crabs
Looneys Orange
Hawks/Breakers (depends on the day as they have spilt the past two years)
FCA Blue if they bring their 4-5 2019 players down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs by default because they reclassify. After that - Hawks then Breakers.

Forgetting a few. Agree Crabs by default because they are predominantly older.
Crabs
Looneys Orange
Hawks/Breakers (depends on the day as they have spilt the past two years)
FCA Blue if they bring their 4-5 2019 players down

They don't bring down players because it's the league rules. They beat looneys twice and tied Hawks and tied Crabs in the fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. If a kid was formerly in the class of 2019 and that family decided to reclassify him, he is now in the class of 2020. You guys have myopic viewpoints because you haven't been watching lacrosse long enough, but this has been occurring without incident for years.

"It's easy to confuse what is with what ought to be, especially when what is has worked out in your favor"
-Tyrion Lannister

Crabs, looneys, fca, hawks, breakers can all beat each other on any given day. No way breakers is two though. They have lost to the majority of teams here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs by default because they reclassify. After that - Hawks then Breakers.

Forgetting a few. Agree Crabs by default because they are predominantly older.
Crabs
Looneys Orange
Hawks/Breakers (depends on the day as they have spilt the past two years)
FCA Blue if they bring their 4-5 2019 players down

They don't bring down players because it's the league rules. They beat looneys twice and tied Hawks and tied Crabs in the fall

FCA lost to Breakers twice this season. Hawks tied Crabs in the NYPLL Championship losing by 1 in OT. Breakers beat Hawks twice this year including at Beach Lax and Hawks beat Breakers twice. Breakers tied the ramped up Crabs team at the Beach losing in over time in the playoff game. Like an earlier poster said, any given day these teams could beat one another. 2020 is a tight year. Crabs generally lead only because of their size with the holdbacks - their skills are not superior to any of the above teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is the argument against having u9, u10, u11 and so on based off a firm birthdate? This eliminates holdbacks, and allows kids to compete against their peers.

no good argument for most hotbed areas. Some would say smaller programs or areas would have difficulty filling out single year teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs by default because they reclassify. After that - Hawks then Breakers.

What about FCA they tied Hawks this past weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ranking:

Crabs
Hawks
Breakers
Looneys
FCA

As far as Crabs/Crush goes, part of the issue is that Beach Lax games are played on short fields and are short-timed. On a full field with regulation time, Crush smokes Crabs. Crabs is not much better than Hawks, Breakers, FCA or Looneys. We are from Baltimore and have played them all.

As for the holdbacks on Crabs, it is a fact that they have 8 holdbacks from Mater Dei and other private schools. I do not know who they brought down for Beach Lax, but they played with 8 all year. If they brought down 2-3 more, then they had 10-11 for Crush. Sad, but true.

Yes they brought down 5 more in addition to their usual 8 everyone knew about. Of the new additions, one was Gilman, one was Boy's Latin and not sure what the private school affiliations are of the others but they were all 2019 Fall and Spring season switching to 2020 this past weekend as the private schools graduated in last two weeks. Very sad indeed. Takes reclassing to a whole new in your face level.

The 2019's wanted to play down with the 2020's because they are going to be 2020's next season and they are not getting any playing time on the 2019 team because of the former 2018's that are now 2019's - vicious cycle with that Crabs program! If you cannot beat them, join them says one Crab parent to another!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is the argument against having u9, u10, u11 and so on based off a firm birthdate? This eliminates holdbacks, and allows kids to compete against their peers.

no good argument for most hotbed areas. Some would say smaller programs or areas would have difficulty filling out single year teams

Grade based started at the the HS level to make it easier for college coaches to know what they were looking at. It has trickled down to the younger levels, probably for the same reasons as kids transition from middle school to HS.

Two of the 'new' boys playing for the Crabs were 2020's that are in 7th grade in VA - class of 2020. One of them played in the fall too.

You should wait until the end of the summer to see who has the best run for '20

My son plays for the Annapolis hawks. I know the coaches at crabs and breakers. They are good people. You need to stop crying and your kid probably needs more heart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the Annapolis hawks. I know the coaches at crabs and breakers. They are good people. You need to stop crying and your kid probably needs more heart.

Ok, we'll do that but tell them to stop cheating

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the Annapolis hawks. I know the coaches at crabs and breakers. They are good people. You need to stop crying and your kid probably needs more heart.

Ripping a kid, your a mature adult! Glad you know some coaches, maybe you should teach them integrity!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two of the 'new' boys playing for the Crabs were 2020's that are in 7th grade in VA - class of 2020. One of them played in the fall too.

That's great, glad to hear, they'll need players that can play in Denver.

The problem that exists with the Crabs organization is that reclassification is a strategy they imploy across the board in order to gain an unfair advantage. It's systemic, it's well known and it is damaging the integrity of the game.

NPYLL and tournaments need to address the Crabs reclassification scheme and not allow them to play players that are deemed to be too old.

Let me get this right the 91 kids played against Crab kids who according to MD Dad are a year or two older bigger and faster with more lacrosse skill and IQ... and they only lost by one goal in OT and you question their heart while praising coaches with questionable ethics and morals..Maybe you need to look in the mirror as you are part of the problem..Karma is a [lacrosse]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the Annapolis hawks. I know the coaches at crabs and breakers. They are good people. You need to stop crying and your kid probably needs more heart.

You mean your kid needs to be held back Right?? Then he can compete with the other one to two year older hearts. Too Funny tough guy name dropper

They are easy to pick out in the championship photo because they have the clean uniforms since they did not play.

They had more coaches than players at the beach. Now that's instruction.

13 holdbacks???? That is just pathetic. The fact that these other teams are coming so close to beating them says a lot about the young talent in the area that is being nurtured by the organizations that go about this the right way. I still can't fathom a parent allowing some 7th or 8th grade lacrosse coach convincing them to them to hold a kid back. What is wrong with people?

Take a look at the Crabs website under the college commits section and tell me their formula is flawed. Like it or not they are the only club that is in lock step with how the D1 recruiting game is played. It's about a bigger picture with crabs....

Bigger picture? The Crabs and any other team that promotes this systematic approach of reclassification to win games are putting other children in danger. In the case of the 2020 crabs you have 6 foot post pubescent kids playing against 5 foot 100pd players. It's dangerous, it ruins the game for everyone else and it is 7 grade lacrosse!!!!

In terms of recruiting - great. The Crabs kids can go play D1 and then go make a living playing in the MLL! This ain't the NFL, MLB, NHL or NBA. You and anyone who condones the Crabs approach have lost perspective and have no business being involved in youth sports.

If Bigger Picture involves Cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a look at the Crabs website under the college commits section and tell me their formula is flawed. Like it or not they are the only club that is in lock step with how the D1 recruiting game is played. It's about a bigger picture with crabs....

I agree they are sending kids to the big programs. Which really points out how bad this cheating is. If these kids end up at the biggest and best D1 programs they really did not need to be held back in the first place. Because the age thing does even back out by 10th and 11th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Strictly talking 2020AA:

1. Baltimore Lacrosse Club
2. Breakers
3. Annapolis Hawks
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6. Roughriders
7. Arden Diamonbacks
8. Madlax (Rock)
9. Thunder
10. MDX

This is actually a pretty good ranking of the top 10. Though I'd switch a few around based on recent results and changes in some of the teams... You could argue that any of these teams could beat the team ranked 1 or 2 higher than themselves on any given day. Also worth noting that the top 5 on this list all use holdbacks. I'm pretty sure 6 - 10 do not have any.

1. Crabs
2. Breakers
3. Looneys
4. FCA
5. Hawks
6. Diamondback
7. Rough Riders
8. MadLax
9. Thunder
10. MDX

Most critical growth period for teens. Hey look at my fifteen year old beat these 13 year olds, I can assure you that not all Maryland teams practice this. Also more pressing is the re classing doesn't become official til the kid attends school as a reclasssed student (Sept) that's when it becomes actual not someone's word who can say anything they want. If a director wants to do it they can say the any kid is reclassing. Who would know?

How come Looneys and FCA don't play NPYLL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Strictly talking 2020AA:

1. Baltimore Lacrosse Club
2. Breakers
3. Annapolis Hawks
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6. Roughriders
7. Arden Diamonbacks
8. Madlax (Rock)
9. Thunder
10. MDX

This is actually a pretty good ranking of the top 10. Though I'd switch a few around based on recent results and changes in some of the teams... You could argue that any of these teams could beat the team ranked 1 or 2 higher than themselves on any given day. Also worth noting that the top 5 on this list all use holdbacks. I'm pretty sure 6 - 10 do not have any.

1. Crabs
2. Breakers
3. Looneys
4. FCA
5. Hawks
6. Diamondback
7. Rough Riders
8. MadLax
9. Thunder
10. MDX

Wrong. Madlax has holdbacks on their team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Strictly talking 2020AA:

1. Baltimore Lacrosse Club
2. Breakers
3. Annapolis Hawks
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6. Roughriders
7. Arden Diamonbacks
8. Madlax (Rock)
9. Thunder
10. MDX

This is actually a pretty good ranking of the top 10. Though I'd switch a few around based on recent results and changes in some of the teams... You could argue that any of these teams could beat the team ranked 1 or 2 higher than themselves on any given day. Also worth noting that the top 5 on this list all use holdbacks. I'm pretty sure 6 - 10 do not have any.

1. Crabs
2. Breakers
3. Looneys
4. FCA
5. Hawks
6. Diamondback
7. Rough Riders
8. MadLax
9. Thunder
10. MDX

Not sure about your ranking but you are definitely wrong about your broad holdback statement. Top 5 do not all have holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a look at the Crabs website under the college commits section and tell me their formula is flawed. Like it or not they are the only club that is in lock step with how the D1 recruiting game is played. It's about a bigger picture with crabs....

If the only goal you have for your child is to get him into a D1 school then yes, perhaps the formula works but the rest of us feel it is important to build men of character who are respectful, honest and do not manipulate the system or cheat. 4 years of college in exchange for a lifetime of entitlement and suspect character.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a look at the Crabs website under the college commits section and tell me their formula is flawed. Like it or not they are the only club that is in lock step with how the D1 recruiting game is played. It's about a bigger picture with crabs....

Until LAST year Crabs only had U13 and U15 AGE based youth teams.
The rest were HS grade base teams. ALL these DI,DII,DIII players grew up in the age base youth system and HS grade base teams.

No one said a word except that the Crabs were good at U13 and U15.No talk of holdbacks.
Many top players were on their HS teams .

Why the need to destroy youth age based teams??? Winning at U15 and under with holdbacks says everything you need to know about the Crabs. They promote it like no other club. Them along with the Private school influence of holding your child back is a cancer on lacrosse youth sports. The character it shows with this mentality of what is best for me and club instead of what is best for the sport overall.

A benefit to the select few and a detriment to everyone else! We are simply asking for a equal playing field. Most of the kids being held back are already good players. Prior to this year the holdbacks only were an impact at the U15 level. Now pervasive throughout - sickening! For what? As a MD parent, I totally agree with the Long Islander's take on MD lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one said a word except that the Crabs were good at U13 and U15.No talk of holdbacks. Many top players were on their HS teams.

Perhaps but this latest event is totally over the top, they went too far.

The name of this post should be Hello Dead Horse, I'm going to beat you a little longer. Not a fan of holdbacks, especially what Crabs did at the Beach .Those kids that are reclassifying should have waited until after tryouts to hop teams. Holdbacks are here and aren't going away. Weshould spend less time name calling in a juvenile fashion on a public forum and use that time and energy to affect real change. Call US Lacrosse, call your local repreentative, call a newspaoer reporter. I don't know if anything will be done, but this is America and things can always change with the proper voice. Change for the safety of 12 year olds will never happen if 40 year olds consistently act like 10 year olds. Stop beating your chest behind a computer screen and do something about it, but for the love of God, stop whining about it and pick a new topic. People in New [lacrosse] deal with for a few tournaments, we deal with it every day. Isn't there anything positive to talk about. Bob Bohanan Arnold, Md.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Strictly talking 2020AA:

1. Baltimore Lacrosse Club
2. Breakers
3. Annapolis Hawks
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6. Roughriders
7. Arden Diamonbacks
8. Madlax (Rock)
9. Thunder
10. MDX

Okay, I'll takethe bait. but didn't the Hawks just lose to Crabs in Championship game in overtime. Why would they drop to three

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How come Looneys and FCA don't play NPYLL?

Not sure but I think FCA is next season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two of the 'new' boys playing for the Crabs were 2020's that are in 7th grade in VA - class of 2020. One of them played in the fall too.

The BL kid is also a 2020 that played up the past two seasons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one said a word except that the Crabs were good at U13 and U15.No talk of holdbacks. Many top players were on their HS teams.

Perhaps but this latest event is totally over the top, they went too far.

when they were u13 u15 they couldn't have done what they did last weekend. at least half of their team would have been required to play u15. the holdbacks, reclassers just got and extra year at u15 prior to the change to grade.

imo grade based not that big a deal if it's just a few per team that are summer birthdays. of course someone will push the envelope in order win. anyone who watched the crabs-91 game that has an average sized, age appropriate 2020 is wondering if they need to reclass to 2021 for their to compete at the highest levels. Hopefully most would resist the insanity but sadly this will only feed the beast - here in MD and elsewhere. Directors of leading clubs like Crabs and others should consider what's best for the game not just what's best for their club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How come Looneys and FCA don't play NPYLL?

Not sure but I think FCA is next season

most kids on Looneys and FCA were also playing on rec teams until this year. Hoco league was built to coexist with rec. also all games in hoco are on turf fields in howard county, staffed with someone to do time/scoreboard. even though it may not be as competitive top to bottom - it is an easy league to play in from a coach/director admin perspective. you just show up - hoco parks and rec takes care of everything else

Bethesda 2020 finished 4th in the AA NPYLL, losing to the Crabs (2x), Hawks and Breakers. Beat Madlax. MDX plays in the NPYLL B division. Bethesda lost 7-6 to FCA at the beach and 6-5 to Roughriders in good close games. They are in the top 10.

Arguing about who is in the "Top 10" for kids going into 8th grade says a lot about you posters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Arguing about who is in the "Top 10" for kids going into 8th grade says a lot about you posters.

Lighten up, it's fun and harmless.

Hanging out in this place says a lot about all of us.

According to the NPYLL site the Crabs outscored their opponents in the NPYLL 105-25 after running the table in the regular season. Scores of 15-8, 14-1, 15-1, 13-2, 16-3, 22-3 and 10-7.
15 of those goals against were from two teams (Breakers/Hawks). I guess cheaters do prosper.

I did not know my son who is born on 08-31-99 and will be playing his junior year in HS could play U15 club this summer. I am pretty sure he would be a great AA player as he played Varsity as a Sophomore. Hold back players, Guest players. I am learning a lot from the lacrosse under belly. Thank you. BTW whose holding back their 3 year old so he can get a D1 scholarship? The line starts at the left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to the NPYLL site the Crabs outscored their opponents in the NPYLL 105-25 after running the table in the regular season. Scores of 15-8, 14-1, 15-1, 13-2, 16-3, 22-3 and 10-7.
15 of those goals against were from two teams (Breakers/Hawks). I guess cheaters do prosper.

How did they cheat? Because they beat people with a team that didn't violate any rules?

If you knew anything about the NPYLL, 50% of those games at any level are complete blowouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two of the 'new' boys playing for the Crabs were 2020's that are in 7th grade in VA - class of 2020. One of them played in the fall too.

The BL kid is also a 2020 that played up the past two seasons.

Can he play in Denver?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to the NPYLL site the Crabs outscored their opponents in the NPYLL 105-25 after running the table in the regular season. Scores of 15-8, 14-1, 15-1, 13-2, 16-3, 22-3 and 10-7.
15 of those goals against were from two teams (Breakers/Hawks). I guess cheaters do prosper.

How did they cheat? Because they beat people with a team that didn't violate any rules?

If you knew anything about the NPYLL, 50% of those games at any level are complete blowouts.

With no age restrictions no rules were broken, that is the crux of the problem here. They'll have even more holdbacks next season. Are those 9th/10th graders really learning anything winning 15-1?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to the NPYLL site the Crabs outscored their opponents in the NPYLL 105-25 after running the table in the regular season. Scores of 15-8, 14-1, 15-1, 13-2, 16-3, 22-3 and 10-7.
15 of those goals against were from two teams (Breakers/Hawks). I guess cheaters do prosper.

How did they cheat? Because they beat people with a team that didn't violate any rules?

If you knew anything about the NPYLL, 50% of those games at any level are complete blowouts.

Many HOCO games are good. Maybe NYPLL is not a good league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to the NPYLL site the Crabs outscored their opponents in the NPYLL 105-25 after running the table in the regular season. Scores of 15-8, 14-1, 15-1, 13-2, 16-3, 22-3 and 10-7.
15 of those goals against were from two teams (Breakers/Hawks). I guess cheaters do prosper.

How did they cheat? Because they beat people with a team that didn't violate any rules?

If you knew anything about the NPYLL, 50% of those games at any level are complete blowouts.

Many HOCO games are good. Maybe NYPLL is not a good league.

HoCo is an inferior league with inferior teams. Everyone knows that. Sorry you can't admit that, FCA dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The name of this post should be Hello Dead Horse, I'm going to beat you a little longer. Not a fan of holdbacks, especially what Crabs did at the Beach .Those kids that are reclassifying should have waited until after tryouts to hop teams. Holdbacks are here and aren't going away. Weshould spend less time name calling in a juvenile fashion on a public forum and use that time and energy to affect real change. Call US Lacrosse, call your local repreentative, call a newspaoer reporter. I don't know if anything will be done, but this is America and things can always change with the proper voice. Change for the safety of 12 year olds will never happen if 40 year olds consistently act like 10 year olds. Stop beating your chest behind a computer screen and do something about it, but for the love of God, stop whining about it and pick a new topic. People in New [lacrosse] deal with for a few tournaments, we deal with it every day. Isn't there anything positive to talk about. Bob Bohanan Arnold, Md.

Nice of you to chime in. Problem is that many people have done what you say. I have written to MYLA, USL, and Even the stupid HOCO league that got grade base started a couple years ago. What a bunch of ignorant people in Howard County Rec who dreamed up the idea of Grade base league. They are a public organization that caters to the holdbacks. Wonder why??? You would think a public Rec Department in Howard County would be age base like all their other programs???? Everyone that lives in Howard County should be writing to their rep or whoever. I continue to write the USL and give my opinion.
Everyone should constantly write to different agencies.

You are are seriously advocating writing to your local Congressman?

Major LOL. You have topped yourselves, if that's even possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are are seriously advocating writing to your local Congressman?

Major LOL. You have topped yourselves, if that's even possible.

No mister ignorant. Howard County Rec Department is a county agency. Your local Howard County Rep has something to do with it. Let the higher ups of the Rec department know what their county employees have done to youth lacrosse in Howard County.
I bet the Rec planners of the lacrosse league had some specific reason to go grade base instead of age base like EVERY OTHER sport team in youth athletics is in Howard County.I suspect their bosses have no idea. Maybe call them out. Maybe their boss can ask why. Get it..or lets do like you and have a big LOL!! or better yet just write comments here and do nothing else. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to the NPYLL site the Crabs outscored their opponents in the NPYLL 105-25 after running the table in the regular season. Scores of 15-8, 14-1, 15-1, 13-2, 16-3, 22-3 and 10-7.
15 of those goals against were from two teams (Breakers/Hawks). I guess cheaters do prosper.

How did they cheat? Because they beat people with a team that didn't violate any rules?

If you knew anything about the NPYLL, 50% of those games at any level are complete blowouts.

Many HOCO games are good. Maybe NYPLL is not a good league.

HoCo is an inferior league with inferior teams. Everyone knows that. Sorry you can't admit that, FCA dad.

No need for one league to trash the other - I'm glad we have both.

Unfortunately there is a huge gap between the best and the worst in AA. Clearly a few teams in AA that did not belong there but they are only in 7th grade, hopefully the spreads will be smaller as they get older.

My kid is on one of the better teams, they enjoyed every game, that's what counts. As long as they win with class and humility.

Would be nice to see a NPYLL - HoCo championship - with an age cutoff!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are are seriously advocating writing to your local Congressman?

Major LOL. You have topped yourselves, if that's even possible.

Writing to your representative is every American' s right, my point was turning the energy to that instead of the constant back and forth on here which results in nothing. If it is that grievous and safety is an issue(which it is) and no one at USL is listening why wouldn't you go to the next step. I dont think the issue will ever be resolved by calling each other names on a public forum.

It would be nice if they took the top 4 from each league and had them play in a league the following year.

That would just cause problems. The 9 10 team would feel left out. We can't have that.

They could play in their own conference. Top four move the following year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are are seriously advocating writing to your local Congressman?

Major LOL. You have topped yourselves, if that's even possible.

Writing to your representative is every American' s right, my point was turning the energy to that instead of the constant back and forth on here which results in nothing. If it is that grievous and safety is an issue(which it is) and no one at USL is listening why wouldn't you go to the next step. I dont think the issue will ever be resolved by calling each other names on a public forum.

I agree parents have a voice. I'm thinking letters, emails and calls to the insurance carriers would be far more successful. Pointing out safety issues, sending visual proof- photos and lists of tournaments that this practice happens in might change the landscape. Any personal injury lawyer could probably make a good case within a few phone calls, I'm sure there are plenty of parents out there that can do so. Insurance companies are businesses and bottom line is money. They don't want to have to pay out.

then go after the clubs that encourage it. Non profit my butt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be nice if they took the top 4 from each league and had them play in a league the following year.

There is a Saturday league now in Baltimore called the MPLL - it would be nice if the HOCO teams and NPYLL teams both played in that league. Then we'd get all the match ups we're looking for. Koopers set the league up and all of the games were at St. Pauls this year - a few bumps along the way but overall it was a very successful league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda 2020 finished 4th in the AA NPYLL, losing to the Crabs (2x), Hawks and Breakers. Beat Madlax. MDX plays in the NPYLL B division. Bethesda lost 7-6 to FCA at the beach and 6-5 to Roughriders in good close games. They are in the top 10.

Good Point - Top 10 Updated:

1. Crabs
2. Breakers
3. Looneys
4. FCA
5. Hawks
6. Diamondback
7. Rough Riders
8. Bethesda
9. MadLax
10. Thunder

How many of these teams do NOT use holdbacks??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are are seriously advocating writing to your local Congressman?

Major LOL. You have topped yourselves, if that's even possible.

Writing to your representative is every American' s right, my point was turning the energy to that instead of the constant back and forth on here which results in nothing. If it is that grievous and safety is an issue(which it is) and no one at USL is listening why wouldn't you go to the next step. I dont think the issue will ever be resolved by calling each other names on a public forum.

I agree parents have a voice. I'm thinking letters, emails and calls to the insurance carriers would be far more successful. Pointing out safety issues, sending visual proof- photos and lists of tournaments that this practice happens in might change the landscape. Any personal injury lawyer could probably make a good case within a few phone calls, I'm sure there are plenty of parents out there that can do so. Insurance companies are businesses and bottom line is money. They don't want to have to pay out.

I am not that mad about the whole thing and my son has been push down a few spots by reclassed kids. But if someone where to need a signature to help this get fixed, it would not be hard for me to sign the list. I am at the annoyed level not fighting mad about it. But please fix this people who are really really mad about it.

Who provides insurance at tournaments, these tournaments and leagues have some type of insurance? If a hockey club or rink don't follow US Hockey guidelines, U.S. Hockey pulls their insurance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be nice if they took the top 4 from each league and had them play in a league the following year.

There is a Saturday league now in Baltimore called the MPLL - it would be nice if the HOCO teams and NPYLL teams both played in that league. Then we'd get all the match ups we're looking for. Koopers set the league up and all of the games were at St. Pauls this year - a few bumps along the way but overall it was a very successful league.

Breakers, FCA, and Rough Riders 2020 teams were in MPLL this spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda 2020 finished 4th in the AA NPYLL, losing to the Crabs (2x), Hawks and Breakers. Beat Madlax. MDX plays in the NPYLL B division. Bethesda lost 7-6 to FCA at the beach and 6-5 to Roughriders in good close games. They are in the top 10.

Good Point - Top 10 Updated:

1. Crabs
2. Breakers
3. Looneys
4. FCA
5. Hawks
6. Diamondback
7. Rough Riders
8. Bethesda
9. MadLax
10. Thunder

How many of these teams do NOT use holdbacks??

Can't say but line any of these teams up next to the Crabs and the size difference is striking.

US Lacrosse is insured by Markel Insurance. As the above poster mentioned - a letter to them pointing out the issue and the financial risk it puts them in is the most likely way to get some action. An easy fix would be grade based requirement with an age cut off. One injury sustained by a smaller/younger player inflicted by an older (in some cases 2 or 3 years) would be a goldmine for a personal injury lawyer. Thoughts on this approach?

This may work to change the policy language on the coverage but the tournament would change the waivers advising teams of the guidelines. The wavier would continue to advise fraud or material misrepresentation on rosters or application would nullify coverage. This would put the club, and coach as risk if their intent was to conceal the age of a player. The first injury would set the precedent. The discovery may be tedious and the injury would have to be severe in order for the suit to be brought. Legal fees could be staggering and compensation for the family may be small. Teams could go bankrupt and then all is for nothing and the owner would just start another club with a new name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be nice if they took the top 4 from each league and had them play in a league the following year.

There is a Saturday league now in Baltimore called the MPLL - it would be nice if the HOCO teams and NPYLL teams both played in that league. Then we'd get all the match ups we're looking for. Koopers set the league up and all of the games were at St. Pauls this year - a few bumps along the way but overall it was a very successful league.

Breakers, FCA, and Rough Riders 2020 teams were in MPLL this spring.

So were the Diamondbacks. Just need to get Looneys, Hawks, and Bethesda in there.

Holding back kids, now known as 're-classifying', is just a fact of life and has been around for quite a while at all levels of schooling. Even in college, kids can play MCLA to delay their 4 year clock from starting or go to a prep school before college. Some kids do pre-1st and then hold-back in middle school just before high school resulting in some being old enough to drive to themselves to school in their freshman year of high school. Interestingly, my son attended a 3d camp this past winter and a big recommendation from their recruiting seminar was to 're-classify'. If you have the means, your son doesn't mind prolonging his academic life and D1 lacrosse is that "important", you'll probably be doing the same.

However, talent and age are two different factors and a more talented kid will always overcome one who is a year or 2 older. This is also evidenced by younger kids (or kids who are age appropriate for a higher grade) playing up on older teams for better competition.

But make note holding kids back is a practice that is here to stay as 'tilting the field to your advantage' is not exclusive to lacrosse but life in general because you'll always be competing with someone for something like a job, promotion, sale, etc.. And more than likely, one will have certain advantages over the other that will be cashed-in, thus doing whatever necessary to close the deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This may work to change the policy language on the coverage but the tournament would change the waivers advising teams of the guidelines. The wavier would continue to advise fraud or material misrepresentation on rosters or application would nullify coverage. This would put the club, and coach as risk if their intent was to conceal the age of a player. The first injury would set the precedent. The discovery may be tedious and the injury would have to be severe in order for the suit to be brought. Legal fees could be staggering and compensation for the family may be small. Teams could go bankrupt and then all is for nothing and the owner would just start another club with a new name.

If you really want to make a difference, start by going after the venues like schools and municipalities. If the games are on public fields, start with a few letters to the town, county or school that own and operate them. Find out who the insurance carriers are. Let those insurance companies know what's happening on the fields they insure. If the town, county or schools are knowingly allowing disparate age sporting contests, that could endanger the well being of children, there may be some liability there. If the municipality deems they are exposed by allowing age lopsided sporting events that could cause injury to participants, you may be able to force teams to comply with age based rules. One has to ask, why would a municipality or a school allow itself to be part in parcel to potentially negligent behavior? I can assure you, insurance companies do not like excess risk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holding back kids, now known as 're-classifying', is just a fact of life and has been around for quite a while at all levels of schooling. Even in college, kids can play MCLA to delay their 4 year clock from starting or go to a prep school before college. Some kids do pre-1st and then hold-back in middle school just before high school resulting in some being old enough to drive to themselves to school in their freshman year of high school. Interestingly, my son attended a 3d camp this past winter and a big recommendation from their recruiting seminar was to 're-classify'. If you have the means, your son doesn't mind prolonging his academic life and D1 lacrosse is that "important", you'll probably be doing the same.

However, talent and age are two different factors and a more talented kid will always overcome one who is a year or 2 older. This is also evidenced by younger kids (or kids who are age appropriate for a higher grade) playing up on older teams for better competition.

But make note holding kids back is a practice that is here to stay as 'tilting the field to your advantage' is not exclusive to lacrosse but life in general because you'll always be competing with someone for something like a job, promotion, sale, etc.. And more than likely, one will have certain advantages over the other that will be cashed-in, thus doing whatever necessary to close the deal.

in other words it's a dog eat dog world and some of us (and our kids) are wearing milk bone underwear.

I tried to post the link to the photo earlier but apparently that's not allowed. If you want to see the hilarity of the size differences with holdbacks on the Crabs vs regular kids at 2020 then take a look at the MD Rough Riders Instagram page.

Crabs, across the board, is the best club lacrosse program in the world. Sorry.

I'd like to the crabs field teams without holdbacks and see how great they are...

Results would be dramatically different

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'd like to the crabs field teams without holdbacks and see how great they are...

Results would be dramatically different

You will see that on July 4th, live on national television, assuming they make the playoffs. Should be quite a humbling experience for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Eventually the hold back issue will stop. The catholic church had an accepted practice the past few centuries of priests touching kids, eventually that was found inappropriate and ended.

Liberal Jacka$$ statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'd like to the crabs field teams without holdbacks and see how great they are...

Results would be dramatically different

I am not sure that they would be and I say that as a parent of a son on a team that regularly plays the Crabs. The sad thing is, we will never know. My son's club team is truly a not for profit entity. We do not have a for profit side that puts on tournaments. We simply field the most competitive teams possible in each grad year. The difference between my son's club and the Crabs is the Crabs is a business. If the Crabs don't do what they are doing with regard to reclassifying, and playing kids down like they did at Beach Lax (shame on you Aloha), and they start to lose, the business suffers. It is as simple as that. Sadly, I am seeing boys that I know and that my son knows lose their spots on the 7th, 8th and 9th grade Crab's teams because older boys are reclassifying and now playing down and taking their spots. In almost every case, a Crab's team comprised of on age kids would be very, very competitive. Due to the fact that they can't afford to lose, we likely won't ever see those teams on the field.

Look at the 2022 crabs team no reclassifying 0-3 at the Beach this past weekend.
Finished 5 in npyll. It be interesting to watch this team as they get old and pickup kids that reclass year after year.

Hey, I heard this rumor that Crabs were using kids that intentionally failed a grade just so they could be better at lacrosse against younger kids. Let's discuss it here on this forum for two years and see if anything changes.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holding back kids, now known as 're-classifying', is just a fact of life and has been around for quite a while at all levels of schooling. Even in college, kids can play MCLA to delay their 4 year clock from starting or go to a prep school before college. Some kids do pre-1st and then hold-back in middle school just before high school resulting in some being old enough to drive to themselves to school in their freshman year of high school. Interestingly, my son attended a 3d camp this past winter and a big recommendation from their recruiting seminar was to 're-classify'. If you have the means, your son doesn't mind prolonging his academic life and D1 lacrosse is that "important", you'll probably be doing the same.

However, talent and age are two different factors and a more talented kid will always overcome one who is a year or 2 older. This is also evidenced by younger kids (or kids who are age appropriate for a higher grade) playing up on older teams for better competition.

But make note holding kids back is a practice that is here to stay as 'tilting the field to your advantage' is not exclusive to lacrosse but life in general because you'll always be competing with someone for something like a job, promotion, sale, etc.. And more than likely, one will have certain advantages over the other that will be cashed-in, thus doing whatever necessary to close the deal.

While all that may be true. We are talking youth athletics..Not High School or College. Very few youth players go on to play in HS let along College. Why is all of youth lacrosse bowing down to this reclassify/holdback mentality. Isnt youth athletics better than that??? Youth athletics under 15 should be age base. Pretty simple concept.School is were you get the advantage if any as it has been in past. Lacrosse is at a low moral point due to this.

Wrong. The talent at younger levels is spread out over many clubs. As they get older, the better ones come to the Crabs. Some many reclasify, some do not. Like them or hate them, but the Crabs get more talented as the team moves up. Kids get replaced by better kids. You guys have young kids and don't have the perspective. I've been watching the Crabs for years and the roster they have when they are U13 is nothing like what the roster will be in two years. Maybe 1/3 of that team will remain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, across the board, is the best club lacrosse program in the world. Sorry.

Depends on your criteria. If we are talking about a team who manipulates the system and is proud of it, then yes they are the best.

This obsession with the Crabs is weird. There are reclassified kids on many clubs. Madlax, for example, probably has more reclassed kids than the Crabs. FCA, Breakers and other clubs have reclassed kids as well.

You're just upset because they beat you. They are no different than any other club out there.

Nobody can deny the crabs had close to 10 kids on their 2019 roster this spring that were a year older than normal 2019 players. Take them off the team and they are a very average team. Most of the players aren't great lacrosse players but the physical maturity is such an advantage. Crabs will say "it's only a few" but imagine your team playing down 4 middies, 2 attack and 2 defense... Night and day from a physical maturity stadpoint. High school it catches up and is also expected but between 6-9th grade it is just ridiculous.

Nobody has more holdbacks(don't call them reclassified) than the crabs. Look at their nylplle roster for 2019 and 2020 and look at the ages...ridiculous. If these kids are so talented why do they hold back?? Go down to 2021 and they are average but have 4 kids a year older that are the entire team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. The talent at younger levels is spread out over many clubs. As they get older, the better ones come to the Crabs. Some many reclasify, some do not. Like them or hate them, but the Crabs get more talented as the team moves up. Kids get replaced by better kids. You guys have young kids and don't have the perspective. I've been watching the Crabs for years and the roster they have when they are U13 is nothing like what the roster will be in two years. Maybe 1/3 of that team will remain.

And this will be their downfall. Why start with a club in 3rd or 4th grade knowing they will game the system as you age and ultimately replace you with an older player? Something that is entirely beyond your control. I hope it is not for all of the drifit "Crabs Nation" shirts that I see in Baltimore (what a joke). The increased reclassifying is a desperate effort to save a program that is in decline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This obsession with the Crabs is weird. There are reclassified kids on many clubs. Madlax, for example, probably has more reclassed kids than the Crabs. FCA, Breakers and other clubs have reclassed kids as well.

You're just upset because they beat you. They are no different than any other club out there.

Having to compete against an opponent that cheats, time and time again, causes resentment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This obsession with the Crabs is weird. There are reclassified kids on many clubs. Madlax, for example, probably has more reclassed kids than the Crabs. FCA, Breakers and other clubs have reclassed kids as well.

You're just upset because they beat you. They are no different than any other club out there.

My son plays on a 2019 club team in Baltimore. His team has no reclassified players and I define that as a boy repeating 8th grade for lacrosse, not a boy with a summer birthday that starts kindergarten late. He is not aware of a single player on the 2019 Breakers team that has reclassified and the 2019 FCA teams have a maximum of 1 player that has reclassified. You want to compare that to the Crabs program? The 2019 team has 7 boys that repeated 8th grade this year alone. The 2020 team is already playing with 2019 players. The Crabs are in a class by themselves when it comes to holding back players. Losing to cheaters is upsetting. It is classless and the Crabs program should be ashamed.

Ocean City was flat out ridiculous to see all the 2019 players play 2020 and chest bump and dance after each goal. I would never allow my sons to play down and I don't understand how the coaches on 2020 allow that to happen. For gods sake they had 8 coaches on the sideline, at no point one of them didn't say this isn't right? At no point the parents of the 2020 team (who a good amount of kids that should be 2019 anyway) didn't say why are these 2019 kids playing the entire game?
I talked to a crabs parent on Sunday and said it is not right and his response was he didn't know. Seriously?? You play a year with your team and you have to know some of the kids on the team above and below you and you watch two games with kids way bigger that you haven't seen on your team all year dominate the games and you don't even wonder who they are?? Bury your heads in the sand and act like you don't know... Sad to teach kids that this is acceptable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This obsession with the Crabs is weird. There are reclassified kids on many clubs. Madlax, for example, probably has more reclassed kids than the Crabs. FCA, Breakers and other clubs have reclassed kids as well.

You're just upset because they beat you. They are no different than any other club out there.

Crabs are the king of holdbacks. The encourage and promote it. They get the well deserved disdain they should. They had very good teams prior to holdbacks. They deserved the accolades they got with aged based teams, now the have a tainted club with all these holdbacks/reclassify players.

Start a petition then, and send it to US lacrosse. Take the petition to tournaments and get parents to sign. You'll get thousands of signatures, I'm sure.

I heard via a holdback crabs parent that there were 6 kids brought down and played on the team at beach lax. The reason the breakers vs crabs was so close was because the crabs played the non holdbacks (regular kids),because they knew all the holdbacks would be playig vs 91. They were losing so many of the holdbacks had to come in and "rescue" the team and win.Many of the regular crabs parents were pissed because their child who played all during the year didnt play much in this tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard via a holdback crabs parent that there were 6 kids brought down and played on the team at beach lax. The reason the breakers vs crabs was so close was because the crabs played the non holdbacks (regular kids),because they knew all the holdbacks would be playig vs 91. They were losing so many of the holdbacks had to come in and "rescue" the team and win.Many of the regular crabs parents were pissed because their child who played all during the year didnt play much in this tournament.

Those "regular crabs" parents will be even more pissed when their kids don't have a spot next year or are offered a spot on the 2021 team after certain academic arrangements are made.

Hello...team 91 Maryland, when are those tryouts?

check out the crabs Instagram - doh!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard via a holdback crabs parent that there were 6 kids brought down and played on the team at beach lax. The reason the breakers vs crabs was so close was because the crabs played the non holdbacks (regular kids),because they knew all the holdbacks would be playig vs 91. They were losing so many of the holdbacks had to come in and "rescue" the team and win.Many of the regular crabs parents were pissed because their child who played all during the year didnt play much in this tournament.

Those "regular crabs" parents will be even more pissed when their kids don't have a spot next year or are offered a spot on the 2021 team after certain academic arrangements are made.

Hello...team 91 Maryland, when are those tryouts?

Yes, this is about a business. Crabs owner needs to show that his team is dominant and not another, especially 91- as business could be changing with 91 coming. As for the kids- just look at the picture on their web site- the obvious age appropriate kids are front row, about 2 feet shorter than the back row and a bunch of them don't even look like they wore a helmet that day. They are all straight faced. Why would you smile when your coach barely played you. That is the sad part- the kids that belonged to the team for the whole year. The ones that were at the try outs and made the team to play this summer. These are the kids that now feel the wrath of the system of playing down. The writing is on the wall, they either play with younger kids themselves or go to another club. I could care less if these teams win or lose, it's just sad for the kids to lose their spots that they earned and sad for the other teams to lose that dont bring on kids to play down. Might not be breaking any rules, but it sure is pathetic. If you can't stand out, play down and make money for a grown up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard via a holdback crabs parent that there were 6 kids brought down and played on the team at beach lax. The reason the breakers vs crabs was so close was because the crabs played the non holdbacks (regular kids),because they knew all the holdbacks would be playig vs 91. They were losing so many of the holdbacks had to come in and "rescue" the team and win.Many of the regular crabs parents were pissed because their child who played all during the year didnt play much in this tournament.

If that is true, is pretty much closes the book on the Crabs owner. Not sure why it would be a walk of shame to leave the field having competed well against strong competition, especially when we are talking about youth lacrosse at the middle school level. Those six kids just learned that the important things to the Crabs not include sportsmanship, showing up to all practices and contributing to a team. I was an assistant coach in another D1 sport at an ACC school while getting a graduate degree. I feel blessed that I can communicate to my sons this truth: the easiest mark first day of practice at any high level college sport program is the lamb. The lamb is a nice kid, but without enablers just can't do anything on his own and doesn't get "it"...."it" is mental restraint to stay focused when unsettled. I can promise those six kids and families this much: weather this storm quietly and with dignity and after this season find another club program that has a philosophy to put these kids in a position to succeed and to fail and learn from each and have resolve and restraint through it. At any college program the coaches cannot just call time out or halt practice to right the ship when the needy kids struggle. The lambs join a fraternity or transfer in pretty short order. That you can always count on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard via a holdback crabs parent that there were 6 kids brought down and played on the team at beach lax. The reason the breakers vs crabs was so close was because the crabs played the non holdbacks (regular kids),because they knew all the holdbacks would be playig vs 91. They were losing so many of the holdbacks had to come in and "rescue" the team and win.Many of the regular crabs parents were pissed because their child who played all during the year didnt play much in this tournament.

Those "regular crabs" parents will be even more pissed when their kids don't have a spot next year or are offered a spot on the 2021 team after certain academic arrangements are made.

Hello...team 91 Maryland, when are those tryouts?

Yes, this is about a business. Crabs owner needs to show that his team is dominant and not another, especially 91- as business could be changing with 91 coming. As for the kids- just look at the picture on their web site- the obvious age appropriate kids are front row, about 2 feet shorter than the back row and a bunch of them don't even look like they wore a helmet that day. They are all straight faced. Why would you smile when your coach barely played you. That is the sad part- the kids that belonged to the team for the whole year. The ones that were at the try outs and made the team to play this summer. These are the kids that now feel the wrath of the system of playing down. The writing is on the wall, they either play with younger kids themselves or go to another club. I could care less if these teams win or lose, it's just sad for the kids to lose their spots that they earned and sad for the other teams to lose that dont bring on kids to play down. Might not be breaking any rules, but it sure is pathetic. If you can't stand out, play down and make money for a grown up.

Like the other poster...If this is true what shameful behavior from the Crabs organization. Frankly any org that acted like this should be called out for what they are.... Disgraceful Cheaters..... This is a team of supposedly 7th grade children. 7th GRADE !! Wow..Wonder what Ryan says to the parents that complained if they had the guts to??

The 2020 team is full of holdbacks. It's a complete joke. How do we get a hold of their roster that shows the birth dates of their players? I assume it has to be provided when they register for a tournament.

No one checks.

Envy is thin because it bites but never eats.....

Newsflash....If somehow holdbacks could be eliminated from all youth lacrosse teams Crabs would still be the premier team and continue to dominate at 7th and 8th grade....sorry you still won't beat them

Let's see if that is true. Prove it.

Let's check birth certificates every game or have maryland Walking Ids required for all players. Only a 15 dollar investment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Newsflash....If somehow holdbacks could be eliminated from all youth lacrosse teams Crabs would still be the premier team and continue to dominate at 7th and 8th grade....sorry you still won't beat them

Same poster from earlier noting I used to coach at an ACC program in another sport. You've missed the boat. I couldn't care less if your Crabs teams win tournaments or not. Easy to look exceptional being a 15 year old 8th grader. Why the voracious appetite to field teams that way? Why the defensive nature and attack mode responses? If Crabs can win 8th grade tournaments fielding 14 year old 7th graders playing up and not holding dearly to being a holdback kid sometimes two years older than the competition, then just do it. Nothing restrains a 7th grader from playing up to an 8th grade team. My son did it this spring and he is 13 years old playing on a rising 9th grader team this summer. For once I'd love to see all the tough guy Baltimore Crabs or Canadian Edge programs field a team playing up one year. If you write that you can, why not do?

newsflash - crabs are cheats and barely beat the Hawks, Breakers and T91 with a slew of holdbacks. I seriously doubt they can compete without full grown adults on those teams. Why would I envy an organization that is owned by a fat man who takes advantage of children?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

newsflash - crabs are cheats and barely beat the Hawks, Breakers and T91 with a slew of holdbacks. I seriously doubt they can compete without full grown adults on those teams. Why would I envy an organization that is owned by a fat man who takes advantage of children?

Quit whining. Go to another forum to complain about the rules and how to enforce them.

2019 91 beats Crabs at Adrenaline. That has to feel good after Crabs played 2019 players on their 2020 team and beat 91 last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

newsflash - crabs are cheats and barely beat the Hawks, Breakers and T91 with a slew of holdbacks. I seriously doubt they can compete without full grown adults on those teams. Why would I envy an organization that is owned by a fat man who takes advantage of children?

Quit whining. Go to another forum to complain about the rules and how to enforce them.

Truth hurts.

What would u like to discuss?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

newsflash - crabs are cheats and barely beat the Hawks, Breakers and T91 with a slew of holdbacks. I seriously doubt they can compete without full grown adults on those teams. Why would I envy an organization that is owned by a fat man who takes advantage of children?

Quit whining. Go to another forum to complain about the rules and how to enforce them.

Whining, really? A club and specifically last week the 2020 team manipulates the system, takes advantage of kids that do not know any better in order to win games and that is whining? Have a bit of dignity and do the right thing as a Club and parents. Crabs has created this issue for themselves by bringing down kids to play on teams and stating they see nothing wrong with the practice. They bump kids on the existing team to the curb just for the sake of a win. Crabs has done the sport a huge disservice as well as, the boys on their teams - which message do you tell them "You are not good enough for your own age group" or "don't worry about it being unsportsmanlike - it will pay off for you in the end" . Other teams that do not buy into that nonsense are close on your heels with correct age kids and their dignity intact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would u like to discuss?

I know...let's discuss the Crabs manipulating the system to take a Championship from the team that deserved it or even better, let's discuss how many of the 2020 kids that played at Beach Lax actually qualify for Denver? Will be interesting to watch the whole thing unfold on television.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 91 beats Crabs at Adrenaline. That has to feel good after Crabs played 2019 players on their 2020 team and beat 91 last weekend.

Guess the 2018's had already reclassed one time too many kids and the 2019s were left with a hole after reclassing kids last weekend to 2020.

Wow. Lots of people here completely envious of the Crabs. Many clubs allows kids who've reclassified, but only the Crabs get the venom. It guess it comes from being at the top of the mountain.

Check out the results at the Adrenaline Platinum Cup that Crabs Mountain is starting to look like a little hill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Lots of people here completely envious of the Crabs. Many clubs allows kids who've reclassified, but only the Crabs get the venom. It guess it comes from being at the top of the mountain.

Ummm....no. 1-2 hold backs on a team, whatever. Bringing in 4-5 kids who just finished 8th grade (for the first time), adding them to your current pool of holdbacks, and squeaking out a win over some 7th grade teams, nothing to envy there.

Denver can't come soon enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. Lots of people here completely envious of the Crabs. Many clubs allows kids who've reclassified, but only the Crabs get the venom. It guess it comes from being at the top of the mountain.

No envy. Most people have disgust for the way the Crabs have dealt with the whole holdback issue at youth level. If you dont see the harm overall to youth athletics you have your head in sand.

Karma is a [lacrosse] and at some point the Crabs organizations approach is going to backfire.

Well, I guess Team 91 showed up this weekend with or without hold backs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Karma is a [lacrosse] and at some point the Crabs organizations approach is going to backfire.

Looneys parent here. Yes it will

Crabs won't make it to the TV game. I promise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, I guess Team 91 showed up this weekend with or without hold backs.

Let's see:

2016. Crabs reach Elite 8. Team 91 reaches Final Four. Team 91 beats Crabs by 1.

2017. Crabs reach Final 4. Team 91 reaches Championship. Team 91 beats Crabs by 1.

2018. Crabs reach Final 4. Team 91 wins Championship. Team 91 beats Crabs by 2.

2019. Crabs reach Final 5. Team 91 wins Championship. Team 91 beats Crabs 1.

Sounds like both team had excellent showings and the matchups between the two clubs were close across the board. Great job by both clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, I guess Team 91 showed up this weekend with or without hold backs.

Let's see:

2016. Crabs reach Elite 8. Team 91 reaches Final Four. Team 91 beats Crabs by 1.

2017. Crabs reach Final 4. Team 91 reaches Championship. Team 91 beats Crabs by 1.

2018. Crabs reach Final 4. Team 91 wins Championship. Team 91 beats Crabs by 2.

2019. Crabs reach Final 5. Team 91 wins Championship. Team 91 beats Crabs 1.

Sounds like both team had excellent showings and the matchups between the two clubs were close across the board. Great job by both clubs.

Difference is Team 91 had on age kids....Crabs did not. Playing kids 1-2 years younger and losing by 1 is nothing to brag about. every win is tainted when you do not field a team of on age kids.

LOL. The tournament is by grade, not by age. If the Crabs (or any club) violate the rules, then you have a point. They did not violate any rules.

You must have not have any HS kids. This was a HS tournament (with rising freshmen as well). It was by grade.

The POINT is that holding back kids in order to have older kids in lower grades is a pathetic way to try to win. Systematically holding back your kids so they win games against younger kids is ruining the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. The tournament is by grade, not by age. If the Crabs (or any club) violate the rules, then you have a point. They did not violate any rules.

You must have not have any HS kids. This was a HS tournament (with rising freshmen as well). It was by grade.

How about playing according to real grade as opposed to holdback grade? Crabs manipulate the rules for their own advantage. A win using all over age kids - or kids not playing in their real grade based on their age- is nothing to be proud of. Agree with the above, no bragging rights for teams full of holdbacks. Sportsmanship is part of any athletic event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. The tournament is by grade, not by age. If the Crabs (or any club) violate the rules, then you have a point. They did not violate any rules.

You must have not have any HS kids. This was a HS tournament (with rising freshmen as well). It was by grade.

Was it against the rules, NO! What the Crabs was against the INTEGRITY of the sport. They knowingly bent the rules in their favor in an arrogant fashion. The number of hold backs they played was shameful.

Don't hate the player, hate the game! Until people stand up to their US Lax, their club, and the tournaments this practice will continue.

Reclassifying happens in every sports. Sometimes it's for academic reasons. Sometimes athletic ones. Sometimes for other reasons. Happens in basketball, football, soccer, hockey, baseball, etc.

I don't see you guys crying about it on other forums. Also, why not lambast clubs like Madlax who actually have more reclassified kids than the Crabs do?

You guys are crying because you lost a random 2020 game, but this tournament was for HS. Are you going to cry when a senior runs over your then sophomore son?

Sounds like the only running over this weekend was my Team 91 sophmore son running over over your Crab senior holdback. Can't wait to see how many additional holdbacks the Crabs will have after this weekend. Where is the fat man now?? #humbling #average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. The tournament is by grade, not by age. If the Crabs (or any club) violate the rules, then you have a point. They did not violate any rules.

You must have not have any HS kids. This was a HS tournament (with rising freshmen as well). It was by grade.

How about playing according to real grade as opposed to holdback grade? Crabs manipulate the rules for their own advantage. A win using all over age kids - or kids not playing in their real grade based on their age- is nothing to be proud of. Agree with the above, no bragging rights for teams full of holdbacks. Sportsmanship is part of any athletic event.

This was a high school tournament you idiot. It's done by grade for recruiting purposes.

It's no use reasoning with these idiots. They are so focused on their rising 8th grader that they have no idea what lacrosse is like in HS. The fact that they are bitching about reclassified kids playing for their HS club team says a lot about them.

No it says more about you that you justify can action that is ethically and morrally wrong and puts kids in danger in order to justify your own means and feel good about yourself. You my friend are not a leader of man.

People with a sense of entitlement will never see reason. They feel that have their son who was in pre-first then chose to repeat 8th grade is on par with a true graduation year child. Tha fact that their son who could be 18 months older than the kids on the other team doesn't bother them, the parents are buying these victories and teaching their children it is OK to cheat. The parents of These kids who did the pre first and re classed in the eight grade are paying upwards of and additional $50,000 for their kids to be a dominant lax player against kids 18 months younger who haven't even started puberty yet.

The modo for these folks is "if you can't beat them, just buy it"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People with a sense of entitlement will never see reason. They feel that have their son who was in pre-first then chose to repeat 8th grade is on par with a true graduation year child. Tha fact that their son who could be 18 months older than the kids on the other team doesn't bother them, the parents are buying these victories and teaching their children it is OK to cheat. The parents of These kids who did the pre first and re classed in the eight grade are paying upwards of and additional $50,000 for their kids to be a dominant lax player against kids 18 months younger who haven't even started puberty yet.

The modo for these folks is "if you can't beat them, just buy it"

The tournament in question is for high school kids. The college coaches want them playing by their grade. Ok, so some kids are older. They play against each other in high school right? By your line of thinking, 10th graders shouldn't be playing against kids that are old enough to be in 11th or 12th grade. I guess Tommy, Bobby, Timmy and Jimmy should not play varsity until they are seniors then.

I understand your issue with middle school kids but you guys are making asses of yourself complaining about high school kids.

Madlax has just as many holdbacks on their teams as the Crabs and they got demolished at the Platinum Cup. All those holdbacks and they put together a 6-11-1 record.

Madlax even has a kid who just graduated from HS who is now playing on their 2016 team.

Since there has been some speak of 91 forming a Maryland team will that new 91 Maryland team accept any hold backs or reclassified kids?

If they do will the NY team 91 parents still complain?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has just as many holdbacks on their teams as the Crabs and they got demolished at the Platinum Cup. All those holdbacks and they put together a 6-11-1 record.

Madlax even has a kid who just graduated from HS who is now playing on their 2016 team.

If all those holdbacks for Madlax don't start producing, is the owner going to go postal on them?

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since there has been some speak of 91 forming a Maryland team will that new 91 Maryland team accept any hold backs or reclassified kids?

If they do will the NY team 91 parents still complain?

Stupid questions. All MD teams "accept" holdbacks. The one's that don't have any aren't doing it by choice. The holdbacks just don't choose to play for them.

Of course 91 parents will still complain. When you base your whole self worth on the accomplishments of 12 year olds, anything that tarnishes that record will be cause for epic meltdowns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since there has been some speak of 91 forming a Maryland team will that new 91 Maryland team accept any hold backs or reclassified kids?

If they do will the NY team 91 parents still complain?

They will move on and complain about something else, but only if they lose. Holdbacks in NY get swept under the rug, only cheating if someone else does it. Team 91 placing holdbacks on their team will be referred to as "an innovative approach to the changing landscape of the game"

Come now, NO ONE DOES HOLDBACKS LIKE THE CRABS! All Crabs teams are stacked with holdbacks. It will be that way until Hopkins, UNC and the like stop recruiting babies.

91, 3d, Madlax, Express will accept but do not lead the way. Sat through JR presentation too, Munro called situation "unfortunate" and "not ideal" and suggested holdback as a way of fighting fire with fire.

Only group that even compares to Crabs is Canada Edge.
It's particularly frustrating when you see the 8th and 9th grader Crabs players celebrating a goal or victory over your true 7th grader, but that's what makes RM money, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People with a sense of entitlement will never see reason. They feel that have their son who was in pre-first then chose to repeat 8th grade is on par with a true graduation year child. Tha fact that their son who could be 18 months older than the kids on the other team doesn't bother them, the parents are buying these victories and teaching their children it is OK to cheat. The parents of These kids who did the pre first and re classed in the eight grade are paying upwards of and additional $50,000 for their kids to be a dominant lax player against kids 18 months younger who haven't even started puberty yet.

The modo for these folks is "if you can't beat them, just buy it"

Very true, next years 2020 Crab player will be driving themselves to the games.

Wrong. I've seen the Madlax rosters. They have just as many hold backs as the Crabs.

And Munro? He has been advocating hold backs as much as anyone. Look at his own son. He encourages hold backs for all his players

That is a fair and accurate comment. Crabs has a lot of kids who repeated a grade for sports, as do other local clubs. But the families drive those decisions. Crabs just picks best players at tryouts. 3d is the only club I know of which overtly markets and sells families on reclassifying kids. They put in writing that is a great strategy to follow to increase a kid's chances. It works to the extent parents see it working for other kids getting committed, most notably the son of the 3d owner who was a very early commit to a major school. That said, he didn't make it past the first round of cuts for the U.S. U-19 indoor team...a good player, but in the end you are the player you are and not the player your parents or club sell you to be. Crabs have great players in evidence. They do look better because they are older, but frankly if they had not reclassified they'd still be good players. This is all just a strategy to be in the tippy top of a recruiting class since there are so few desired D1 schools who are in the sport. This isn't football where there are 300 places to get a full scholarship.

"The tournament in question is for high school kids. The college coaches want them playing by their grade. Ok, so some kids are older. They play against each other in high school right? By your line of thinking, 10th graders shouldn't be playing against kids that are old enough to be in 11th or 12th grade. I guess Tommy, Bobby, Timmy and Jimmy should not play varsity until they are seniors then.

I understand your issue with middle school kids but you guys are making asses of yourself complaining about high school kids."

Seniors shouldn't be playing against freshman or sophomores, unless the fresh/soph are good enough for varsity. Nobody is complaining about kids playing up, but kids shouldn't be playing down!

The issue is strictly a youth game one. And more specific a youth club lacrosse issue. This has nothing to do with high school play or anything to do with a freshman being a JV or a varsity player. Grade based teams in youth lacrosse exist for one reason only. It allows parents discretion to manipulate the age group their son plays in to the downside. Better players in sports have always played up if they were strong and good enough. Lacrosse is the only sport I can think of that celebrates signing up a 15 year old with 13 year olds to hold an advantage. What is next, fake a learning disability to take untimed tests at school? My kid would likely do better on the SAT if he could spend 10 hours going over everything many times over. Would that be ok if he gets a 99 percentile and gets into Harvard instead of a 80 percentile? The difference can be that small for an academic admissions application. Happens all the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The issue is strictly a youth game one. And more specific a youth club lacrosse issue. This has nothing to do with high school play or anything to do with a freshman being a JV or a varsity player. Grade based teams in youth lacrosse exist for one reason only. It allows parents discretion to manipulate the age group their son plays in to the downside. Better players in sports have always played up if they were strong and good enough. Lacrosse is the only sport I can think of that celebrates signing up a 15 year old with 13 year olds to hold an advantage. What is next, fake a learning disability to take untimed tests at school? My kid would likely do better on the SAT if he could spend 10 hours going over everything many times over. Would that be ok if he gets a 99 percentile and gets into Harvard instead of a 80 percentile? The difference can be that small for an academic admissions application. Happens all the time.

Recently sat with a top 20 D1 coach who has done some significant research on IL top rated kids starting from 2011 forward. He took a look at the top 50 kids, checked to see if they were even still on the team they were recruited to after two years, and then checked to see how many of these phenoms became All-Americans. The results are staggering, and not in a favorable way. Clearly, many of these kids were holdbacks, re-class kids and almost all were early commits. It seems the vast majority lose their edge rather quickly on the field and many don't pan out at the school either.
It will take some time to completely run it's course, but the early evidence shows these kids who've played down against weaker competition in their HS years, can't seem to hack it when the tables are turned.
Again, not my words, those of a coach you'd want your son to play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People with a sense of entitlement will never see reason. They feel that have their son who was in pre-first then chose to repeat 8th grade is on par with a true graduation year child. Tha fact that their son who could be 18 months older than the kids on the other team doesn't bother them, the parents are buying these victories and teaching their children it is OK to cheat. The parents of These kids who did the pre first and re classed in the eight grade are paying upwards of and additional $50,000 for their kids to be a dominant lax player against kids 18 months younger who haven't even started puberty yet.

The modo for these folks is "if you can't beat them, just buy it"

The tournament in question is for high school kids. The college coaches want them playing by their grade. Ok, so some kids are older. They play against each other in high school right? By your line of thinking, 10th graders shouldn't be playing against kids that are old enough to be in 11th or 12th grade. I guess Tommy, Bobby, Timmy and Jimmy should not play varsity until they are seniors then.

I understand your issue with middle school kids but you guys are making asses of yourself complaining about high school kids.

Agree.. Youth Sports should be for age only teams..U15 and under. Crabs are one of the worst offenders of the holdback in youth lax. They promote it constantly at their HS teams in the past. Problem is the Crabs have now decided to promote it at youth sports. Completely disgusting. But HS teams should be based on grade..just the way it is and should be. Doesnt mean you cant moan but it is HS and you have JV,,fresh/Soph plus Varsity teams and plenty of kids are older and mature at that point. Youth should be age period.

How did the reclass strategy work out at the Platinum Cup this weekend. An all Long Island final at 2019. Way to go Long Island

I agree that this is not a high school issue - we are talking about youth lacrosse.

If all those holdbacks for Madlax don't start producing, is the owner going to go postal on them?

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The sad parts in this deadspin thing still getting churned are he's a good kid. And now he's a good kid with a wrecked knee who may not get back and that just sucks. The other sad and pathetic part is this is this is an example of crazy, narcissistic and selfish club owner and parents running hot together. That just sucks too because no kid should be at the center of this public relations war between two awful examples of everything wrong with this sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The tournament in question is for high school kids. The college coaches want them playing by their grade. Ok, so some kids are older. They play against each other in high school right? By your line of thinking, 10th graders shouldn't be playing against kids that are old enough to be in 11th or 12th grade. I guess Tommy, Bobby, Timmy and Jimmy should not play varsity until they are seniors then.

I understand your issue with middle school kids but you guys are making asses of yourself complaining about high school kids."

Seniors shouldn't be playing against freshman or sophomores, unless the fresh/soph are good enough for varsity. Nobody is complaining about kids playing up, but kids shouldn't be playing down!

It is the parents choice to play a freshman on a varsity team and are not manipulating any rule. Choosing to play up vs forcing others to play up because you chose to play down are two entirely different things whether it is youth or high school - it is unsportsmanlike. One is an example of your kid being good enough and big enough to play up the other is your holdback kid not being good enough and playing down putting others at risk because they could not hang with their own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that this is not a high school issue - we are talking about youth lacrosse.

Let's clarify that. It is a recruiting issue. When an age legit 14 yo 2019 steps on the field at a showcase with a 16 yo 2019 the 16 year old with even average ability will look like a super star against the 14 yo. Which is exactly what the 16 yo parents are striving to achieve. In the case of HS ball, coaches will only bring up those freshmen that have the skills and physical maturity to compete at that level against 17 and 18 year olds (19 and 20 in the MIAA and Inter AC).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that this is not a high school issue - we are talking about youth lacrosse.

Let's clarify that. It is a recruiting issue. When an age legit 14 yo 2019 steps on the field at a showcase with a 16 yo 2019 the 16 year old with even average ability will look like a super star against the 14 yo. Which is exactly what the 16 yo parents are striving to achieve. In the case of HS ball, coaches will only bring up those freshmen that have the skills and physical maturity to compete at that level against 17 and 18 year olds (19 and 20 in the MIAA and Inter AC).

Really?!? 20 year olds??? MIAA rules are you must be 18 when you start your senior year. Nice try though. The legend just keeps growing

"A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level."

Yes, 19 and 20 year olds!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level."

Yes, 19 and 20 year olds!

Absolutely 19 & 20 year olds as seniors including some of the most famous Crabs alum were 19 and 20 year old seniors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level."

Yes, 19 and 20 year olds!

Absolutely 19 & 20 year olds as seniors including some of the most famous Crabs alum were 19 and 20 year old seniors.

If you turn 19 on or after Aug 31, you can not turn 20 during that school year. It is metaphysically, geometrically and chronologically impossible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level."

Yes, 19 and 20 year olds!

Absolutely 19 & 20 year olds as seniors including some of the most famous Crabs alum were 19 and 20 year old seniors.

If you turn 19 on or after Aug 31, you can not turn 20 during that school year. It is metaphysically, geometrically and chronologically impossible.

Not in the minds of Strong Island.

This is an important issue - would it be possible to get the coach to share a little more detail of his findings? I recently had a D1 coach tell me he had about a 50% "success rate" with players that were holdbacks and committed early. There is sparse data looking at the performance of holdbacks over the longer term when the physical advantage of age has played out in high school. Does anyone else know of research on this topic?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The issue is strictly a youth game one. And more specific a youth club lacrosse issue. This has nothing to do with high school play or anything to do with a freshman being a JV or a varsity player. Grade based teams in youth lacrosse exist for one reason only. It allows parents discretion to manipulate the age group their son plays in to the downside. Better players in sports have always played up if they were strong and good enough. Lacrosse is the only sport I can think of that celebrates signing up a 15 year old with 13 year olds to hold an advantage. What is next, fake a learning disability to take untimed tests at school? My kid would likely do better on the SAT if he could spend 10 hours going over everything many times over. Would that be ok if he gets a 99 percentile and gets into Harvard instead of a 80 percentile? The difference can be that small for an academic admissions application. Happens all the time.

Recently sat with a top 20 D1 coach who has done some significant research on IL top rated kids starting from 2011 forward. He took a look at the top 50 kids, checked to see if they were even still on the team they were recruited to after two years, and then checked to see how many of these phenoms became All-Americans. The results are staggering, and not in a favorable way. Clearly, many of these kids were holdbacks, re-class kids and almost all were early commits. It seems the vast majority lose their edge rather quickly on the field and many don't pan out at the school either.
It will take some time to completely run it's course, but the early evidence shows these kids who've played down against weaker competition in their HS years, can't seem to hack it when the tables are turned.
Again, not my words, those of a coach you'd want your son to play for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level."

Yes, 19 and 20 year olds!

Absolutely 19 & 20 year olds as seniors including some of the most famous Crabs alum were 19 and 20 year old seniors.

If you turn 19 on or after Aug 31, you can not turn 20 during that school year. It is metaphysically, geometrically and chronologically impossible.

Not in the minds of Strong Island.

Narrow minded much? Depends on the state. For example, Maryland schools are 19. Massachusetts is 20 on August 31st . Believe it or not, there is lacrosse outside of Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that this is not a high school issue - we are talking about youth lacrosse.

Let's clarify that. It is a recruiting issue. When an age legit 14 yo 2019 steps on the field at a showcase with a 16 yo 2019 the 16 year old with even average ability will look like a super star against the 14 yo. Which is exactly what the 16 yo parents are striving to achieve. In the case of HS ball, coaches will only bring up those freshmen that have the skills and physical maturity to compete at that level against 17 and 18 year olds (19 and 20 in the MIAA and Inter AC).

Really?!? 20 year olds??? MIAA rules are you must be 18 when you start your senior year. Nice try though. The legend just keeps growing

Oh sorry, 19 and 3/4th years old. You win MD Daddy. Still two years older than the average on age legitimate HS senior. You must be so proud to have a son who should be finishing his sophomore year of College still in HS. If he's like many college students, and many lax players, it will take him 5 plus years to finish undergrad. Maybe, just maybe he'll have a real job and out of your basement by 26 or 27. Perhaps he'll do the camp and MLL thing for 2 or 3 years. Then at the ripe old age of 30 he'll test the job market. If only you could stack the deck for him in the real world... Like you did in Lacrosse. Ooooppps, he'll have to stand on his own now against the older scary kids... You know the ones that finished college at 21 or 22 and now have positions of responsibility at age 27. Good Luck... Sorry, have to do the financial recap: $200,000 for 5 or 6 years of private HS, $300,000 for 5 plus years of Undergrad. Less $40,000 for your "athletic scholarship". Plus another $50,000 for ten years of Club ball and training. The result, a 27 year old lax camp instructor who plays MLL. Bravo! Bravo! Now that's an accomplishment MIAA Daddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level."

Yes, 19 and 20 year olds!

Absolutely 19 & 20 year olds as seniors including some of the most famous Crabs alum were 19 and 20 year old seniors.

If you turn 19 on or after Aug 31, you can not turn 20 during that school year. It is metaphysically, geometrically and chronologically impossible.

Thank you. Apparently they don't do math on LI. Only numbers they know is the SPF of their sun tan oil

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is an important issue - would it be possible to get the coach to share a little more detail of his findings? I recently had a D1 coach tell me he had about a 50% "success rate" with players that were holdbacks and committed early. There is sparse data looking at the performance of holdbacks over the longer term when the physical advantage of age has played out in high school. Does anyone else know of research on this topic?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The issue is strictly a youth game one. And more specific a youth club lacrosse issue. This has nothing to do with high school play or anything to do with a freshman being a JV or a varsity player. Grade based teams in youth lacrosse exist for one reason only. It allows parents discretion to manipulate the age group their son plays in to the downside. Better players in sports have always played up if they were strong and good enough. Lacrosse is the only sport I can think of that celebrates signing up a 15 year old with 13 year olds to hold an advantage. What is next, fake a learning disability to take untimed tests at school? My kid would likely do better on the SAT if he could spend 10 hours going over everything many times over. Would that be ok if he gets a 99 percentile and gets into Harvard instead of a 80 percentile? The difference can be that small for an academic admissions application. Happens all the time.

Recently sat with a top 20 D1 coach who has done some significant research on IL top rated kids starting from 2011 forward. He took a look at the top 50 kids, checked to see if they were even still on the team they were recruited to after two years, and then checked to see how many of these phenoms became All-Americans. The results are staggering, and not in a favorable way. Clearly, many of these kids were holdbacks, re-class kids and almost all were early commits. It seems the vast majority lose their edge rather quickly on the field and many don't pan out at the school either.
It will take some time to completely run it's course, but the early evidence shows these kids who've played down against weaker competition in their HS years, can't seem to hack it when the tables are turned.
Again, not my words, those of a coach you'd want your son to play for.

If it is 50%, that is far, far higher than the overall success rate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that this is not a high school issue - we are talking about youth lacrosse.

Let's clarify that. It is a recruiting issue. When an age legit 14 yo 2019 steps on the field at a showcase with a 16 yo 2019 the 16 year old with even average ability will look like a super star against the 14 yo. Which is exactly what the 16 yo parents are striving to achieve. In the case of HS ball, coaches will only bring up those freshmen that have the skills and physical maturity to compete at that level against 17 and 18 year olds (19 and 20 in the MIAA and Inter AC).

Really?!? 20 year olds??? MIAA rules are you must be 18 when you start your senior year. Nice try though. The legend just keeps growing

Oh sorry, 19 and 3/4th years old. You win MD Daddy. Still two years older than the average on age legitimate HS senior. You must be so proud to have a son who should be finishing his sophomore year of College still in HS. If he's like many college students, and many lax players, it will take him 5 plus years to finish undergrad. Maybe, just maybe he'll have a real job and out of your basement by 26 or 27. Perhaps he'll do the camp and MLL thing for 2 or 3 years. Then at the ripe old age of 30 he'll test the job market. If only you could stack the deck for him in the real world... Like you did in Lacrosse. Ooooppps, he'll have to stand on his own now against the older scary kids... You know the ones that finished college at 21 or 22 and now have positions of responsibility at age 27. Good Luck... Sorry, have to do the financial recap: $200,000 for 5 or 6 years of private HS, $300,000 for 5 plus years of Undergrad. Less $40,000 for your "athletic scholarship". Plus another $50,000 for ten years of Club ball and training. The result, a 27 year old lax camp instructor who plays MLL. Bravo! Bravo! Now that's an accomplishment MIAA Daddy.

Yes, I am an MIAA daddy. Both my boys are on age though. They are some of the best schools you could ever find. Why do you think the Cleveland Browns head coach left his family in Baltimore when he got the job? I am not a fan of reclassifying, I just don't come on here and whine like a little [lacrosse] about it incessantly.

The poster didn't write 50%, the poster wrote "staggering, and not in a favorable way". 50% is your guess, and note that is higher than the overall success rate for rostered players at a D1 program. That is your opinion, and not a representation of what the poster wrote. Suppose you are correct and 50% is the success rate, and let's define success as still on a team and is a starter on their team. I don't know this, but would also assume that scholarship money is skewed more toward the top rated or earliest committed recruits. If this is accurate, 50% washout rate for IL rated recruits is an abysmal result looking at it from a return on investment optic. If a top ACC program gets four IL ranked recruits a year, that is 16 out of 45 players (45 is again just my guess on an average roster size now). That is about 1/3rd your roster taking up a large % o the scholarship dollars to allocate.

If Duke basketball whiffed on 5 out of 15 guys on their basketball team, and those were their top and highest ranked recruits, it would not cost them the ability to fully scholarship the remaining 10 players. But it would definitely mean Duke would fall hard as a basketball program from the prominence and performance they have had under Coach K.

Either way, early recruiting with large percentages of the discretionary scholarship money going out with it, is a horrible mathematical strategy. It may be possible that some coaches are savants at projecting with absolute certainty who the best 18-23 year olds will be from a batch of 13-15 year olds they are evaluating for a month or two and seeing play live less than 5 times. But if Vegas had a market for it, I would bet short on the success of those programs.

Cyclones are by far the best 2021 team in the South. They played a 2020 team from Raleigh this weekend in MD and lost 7-4. That team was stacked and had at least 2 2019 kids per one of that Cannon team's parents. I would say the Cyclones 2021 white could play with any 2020 team in Charlotte. They would be great games, a 2021 vs a 2020, they are closely matched.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cyclones are by far the best 2021 team in the South. They played a 2020 team from Raleigh this weekend in MD and lost 7-4. That team was stacked and had at least 2 2019 kids per one of that Cannon team's parents. I would say the Cyclones 2021 white could play with any 2020 team in Charlotte. They would be great games, a 2021 vs a 2020, they are closely matched.

Nobody cares about those clubs or that region, especially on this thread. Awful lacrosse.

I'm glad you think so. Keep thinking that way...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cyclones are by far the best 2021 team in the South. They played a 2020 team from Raleigh this weekend in MD and lost 7-4. That team was stacked and had at least 2 2019 kids per one of that Cannon team's parents. I would say the Cyclones 2021 white could play with any 2020 team in Charlotte. They would be great games, a 2021 vs a 2020, they are closely matched.

Nobody cares about those clubs or that region, especially on this thread. Awful lacrosse.

Yes, the Cannons are known for holdbacks/playing down - they did the same at this tournament last year, winning u13 with a team that was definitely older.

Ignore that other poster, glad to see the sport gaining interest elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cyclones are by far the best 2021 team in the South. They played a 2020 team from Raleigh this weekend in MD and lost 7-4. That team was stacked and had at least 2 2019 kids per one of that Cannon team's parents. I would say the Cyclones 2021 white could play with any 2020 team in Charlotte. They would be great games, a 2021 vs a 2020, they are closely matched.

Maybe you should post this on the Carolina Lacrosse Thread. Oh yeah....there isn't one because nobody cares

So Madlax has a kid who already graduated and is playing on their 2016 team. And another kid who finished his freshman year of HS and is now playing for their 2019 team.

Good to see them fall on their face at Platinum Cup. Cheaters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Madlax has a kid who already graduated and is playing on their 2016 team. And another kid who finished his freshman year of HS and is now playing for their 2019 team.

Good to see them fall on their face at Platinum Cup. Cheaters.

Whiners

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cyclones are by far the best 2021 team in the South. They played a 2020 team from Raleigh this weekend in MD and lost 7-4. That team was stacked and had at least 2 2019 kids per one of that Cannon team's parents. I would say the Cyclones 2021 white could play with any 2020 team in Charlotte. They would be great games, a 2021 vs a 2020, they are closely matched.

Maybe you should post this on the Carolina Lacrosse Thread. Oh yeah....there isn't one because nobody cares

The Palm Beach Revolution (pbr) seemed really solid. Have they played the Cyclones?

Replied re 2021's on 2021 thread. (But I don't know that any Crabs should talk smack about a team that lost to the best 2021 team in the country only by one goal.)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that this is not a high school issue - we are talking about youth lacrosse.

Let's clarify that. It is a recruiting issue. When an age legit 14 yo 2019 steps on the field at a showcase with a 16 yo 2019 the 16 year old with even average ability will look like a super star against the 14 yo. Which is exactly what the 16 yo parents are striving to achieve. In the case of HS ball, coaches will only bring up those freshmen that have the skills and physical maturity to compete at that level against 17 and 18 year olds (19 and 20 in the MIAA and Inter AC).

Really?!? 20 year olds??? MIAA rules are you must be 18 when you start your senior year. Nice try though. The legend just keeps growing

Oh sorry, 19 and 3/4th years old. You win MD Daddy. Still two years older than the average on age legitimate HS senior. You must be so proud to have a son who should be finishing his sophomore year of College still in HS. If he's like many college students, and many lax players, it will take him 5 plus years to finish undergrad. Maybe, just maybe he'll have a real job and out of your basement by 26 or 27. Perhaps he'll do the camp and MLL thing for 2 or 3 years. Then at the ripe old age of 30 he'll test the job market. If only you could stack the deck for him in the real world... Like you did in Lacrosse. Ooooppps, he'll have to stand on his own now against the older scary kids... You know the ones that finished college at 21 or 22 and now have positions of responsibility at age 27. Good Luck... Sorry, have to do the financial recap: $200,000 for 5 or 6 years of private HS, $300,000 for 5 plus years of Undergrad. Less $40,000 for your "athletic scholarship". Plus another $50,000 for ten years of Club ball and training. The result, a 27 year old lax camp instructor who plays MLL. Bravo! Bravo! Now that's an accomplishment MIAA Daddy.

Yes, I am an MIAA daddy. Both my boys are on age though. They are some of the best schools you could ever find. Why do you think the Cleveland Browns head coach left his family in Baltimore when he got the job? I am not a fan of reclassifying, I just don't come on here and whine like a little [lacrosse] about it incessantly.

I think you're mistakenly thinking about your wife with you're reference to the "little [lacrosse]", I digress. They are the best schools in Baltimore, because you can't send your kids to most of the public cesspools in your neck of the woods. No whining here, just a statement of the facts. Sometimes hard to swallow for you MIAA Daddies. Why don't you grow a pair and call some of your fellow MIAA Daddies out... Remind them that we all know their kid couldn't play on age. A little public shaming goes a long way towards changing peoples attitudes. By the way, you might want to find another forum, we'll never stop calling you, I mean your friends out. Further, my son does it on the field right to the kids faces, tells the whole field. "Hey this donkey is 17 and just finished 9th grade again." You see my son was taught to challenge himself, be tough, and stand up for what's right. That's how we raise our children. Its called intestinal fortitude, you and your friends should look into it...

" You see my son was taught to challenge himself, be tough, and stand up for what's right. That's how we raise our children. Its called intestinal fortitude, you and your friends should look into it..."

I relocated to MD for work, I can say that all the MIAA parents do is buy trophies, teach their kids to cheat, and threaten to sue when challenged! That is the MIAA way!

St. Mary's in Annapolis won the MIAA championship with no reclassified kids. In this case talent trumped schools with tons of reclassified kids. Good for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St. Mary's in Annapolis won the MIAA championship with no reclassified kids. In this case talent trumped schools with tons of reclassified kids. Good for them.

St. Marys had at least one, but i think only one. Ironically he plays for Crabs

St Mary's has had many re class kids over the years.
They have also sent several to prep school to grow.

The cupboard at St Marys will not be so full next year.
They graduated 20 Seniors.

Several could not even get into schools until real late.
Others switched commitments because they kept getting in trouble.

I see another 20 year drought.

Ben is poaching public school transfers though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you're mistakenly thinking about your wife with you're reference to the "little [lacrosse]", I digress.

Did you mean "your reference"? Must have gone to Hofstra.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you're mistakenly thinking about your wife with you're reference to the "little [lacrosse]", I digress.

Did you mean "your reference"? Must have gone to Hofstra.

That's the best you've got??? I wrote something quick and made a little mistake... Wow, thank goodness YOU'RE out there Mr. Grammar policeman. What a fairy. Didn't go to Hofstra, but would have gone there happily. I went to another school. Came out and built a business that gives me the freedom to have a cup of coffee at my computer and make fun of losers like you... Probably in YOUR office already. Have a good day, I'll check back later from my boat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you're mistakenly thinking about your wife with you're reference to the "little [lacrosse]", I digress.

Did you mean "your reference"? Must have gone to Hofstra.

That's the best you've got??? I wrote something quick and made a little mistake... Wow, thank goodness YOU'RE out there Mr. Grammar policeman. What a fairy. Didn't go to Hofstra, but would have gone there happily. I went to another school. Came out and built a business that gives me the freedom to have a cup of coffee at my computer and make fun of losers like you... Probably in YOUR office already. Have a good day, I'll check back later from my boat.

Wow, you actually have a BOAT? I guess you win the Internet.

Good thing you have so much time to complain about boys youth lacrosse and anything that denies your son a trophy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you're mistakenly thinking about your wife with you're reference to the "little [lacrosse]", I digress.

Did you mean "your reference"? Must have gone to Hofstra.

That's the best you've got??? I wrote something quick and made a little mistake... Wow, thank goodness YOU'RE out there Mr. Grammar policeman. What a fairy. Didn't go to Hofstra, but would have gone there happily. I went to another school. Came out and built a business that gives me the freedom to have a cup of coffee at my computer and make fun of losers like you... Probably in YOUR office already. Have a good day, I'll check back later from my boat.

Wow, you actually have a BOAT? I guess you win the Internet.

Good thing you have so much time to complain about boys youth lacrosse and anything that denies your son a trophy.

Actually its a yacht, sorry didn't want to brag. Try playing on age one time, I know the kids who are the same age as your son are scary and he can't handle it, it's ok. Obviously, the only way your kid can succeed (or win that trophy) is by playing down with little kids. Do you actually high five him after the game, and say "good job beating up on those kids 2 years younger than you"? When the little kids burn his [lacrosse], what it god's name do you say to him in the car? Man, I would give anything to hear that twisted conversation. I have to say, I'm really intrigued and baffled how you re-class, grade repeating, rule bender, unsportsmanlike individuals actually take the position that you're standing on some kind of moral high ground. Amazing, sad and funny at the same time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you're mistakenly thinking about your wife with you're reference to the "little [lacrosse]", I digress.

Did you mean "your reference"? Must have gone to Hofstra.

That's the best you've got??? I wrote something quick and made a little mistake... Wow, thank goodness YOU'RE out there Mr. Grammar policeman. What a fairy. Didn't go to Hofstra, but would have gone there happily. I went to another school. Came out and built a business that gives me the freedom to have a cup of coffee at my computer and make fun of losers like you... Probably in YOUR office already. Have a good day, I'll check back later from my boat.

Wow, you actually have a BOAT? I guess you win the Internet.

Good thing you have so much time to complain about boys youth lacrosse and anything that denies your son a trophy.

is the crabs forum really a contest for who's the douchiest lax parent on the internet?

My son is in HS and didn't reclass. I just enjoy reading these comments from LI dads.

I can't believe you actually typed, "actually its [sic] a yacht". The comedy gold on this thread gets better and better.

[/quote]is the crabs forum really a contest for who's the douchiest lax parent on the internet? [/quote]

it's a death match of one group of self entitled MD [lacrosse] bags vs another group of self entitled NY [lacrosse] bags!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St Mary's has had many re class kids over the years.
They have also sent several to prep school to grow.

Not sure about that, don't know of too many, who are these people

The cupboard at St Marys will not be so full next year.
They graduated 20 Seniors.

True, lost a lot

Several could not even get into schools until real late.
Others switched commitments because they kept getting in trouble.

They are still going though

I see another 20 year drought.

You never know

Ben is poaching public school transfers though.

Have only heard of one public and one private transfer, who are these people

Hey, I am 45 and play over 30 ice hockey. I play down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote]is the crabs forum really a contest for who's the douchiest lax parent on the internet?

it's a death match of one group of self entitled MD [lacrosse] bags vs another group of self entitled NY [lacrosse] bags! [/quote]

Except for the fact that LI kids don't need to cheat the system for a win. We are self entitled because we have the boys with the most talent, you have the boys with the most money to engage in shady tactics to get an edge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is the crabs forum really a contest for who's the douchiest lax parent on the internet?

it's a death match of one group of self entitled MD [lacrosse] bags vs another group of self entitled NY [lacrosse] bags! [/quote]

Except for the fact that LI kids don't need to cheat the system for a win. We are self entitled because we have the boys with the most talent, you have the boys with the most money to engage in shady tactics to get an edge. [/quote]

Crabs Doucher are you going to let the Crush Doucher get away with that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is the crabs forum really a contest for who's the douchiest lax parent on the internet?

it's a death match of one group of self entitled MD [lacrosse] bags vs another group of self entitled NY [lacrosse] bags!

Except for the fact that LI kids don't need to cheat the system for a win. We are self entitled because we have the boys with the most talent, you have the boys with the most money to engage in shady tactics to get an edge. [/quote]

Crabs Doucher are you going to let the Crush Doucher get away with that?[/quote]

I'd say Crush has plenty of families that COULD send their kids to prep schools if they cared too- they just choose not to because their schools are very good and they do not have to reclass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey, I am 45 and play over 30 ice hockey. I play down.

I think we all know you play with yourself....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is in HS and didn't reclass. I just enjoy reading these comments from LI dads.

I can't believe you actually typed, "actually its [sic] a yacht". The comedy gold on this thread gets better and better.

What's not to believe? When your vessel is over 50ft it's a yacht. I challenge myself, and boat up... I love nothing more than getting under the skin of uptight Maryland folk...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is the crabs forum really a contest for who's the douchiest lax parent on the internet?

it's a death match of one group of self entitled MD [lacrosse] bags vs another group of self entitled NY [lacrosse] bags!

Except for the fact that LI kids don't need to cheat the system for a win. We are self entitled because we have the boys with the most talent, you have the boys with the most money to engage in shady tactics to get an edge. [/quote]

Crabs Doucher are you going to let the Crush Doucher get away with that? [/quote]

Not a crush parent. Just somebody that loves getting under the skin of these MD people. I love the come backs filled with self righteous indignation, as if the parents of on age players are somehow wronging you by calling you out... It never gets old. I also love the whining come back... Classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is the crabs forum really a contest for who's the douchiest lax parent on the internet?

it's a death match of one group of self entitled MD [lacrosse] bags vs another group of self entitled NY [lacrosse] bags!

Except for the fact that LI kids don't need to cheat the system for a win. We are self entitled because we have the boys with the most talent, you have the boys with the most money to engage in shady tactics to get an edge.

Crabs Doucher are you going to let the Crush Doucher get away with that?[/quote]

I'd say Crush has plenty of families that COULD send their kids to prep schools if they cared too- they just choose not to because their schools are very good and they do not have to reclass.[/quote]

Interesting as an outside observer...both teams are some of the worst of what their states offer. Crabs blatantly bends the rules by holding back boys 1-2 years and playing kids their junior. Crush has kids & parents with very poor sportsmanship who can not handle being bested in a play or two before beginning with the foul mouth and throwing of punches on the field. Some of the worst representatives of the sport from two states. And before you both come back with ...well we win and you are all jealous (standard reply from both your teams). Yes, you do win but at what cost to the boy's character?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is the crabs forum really a contest for who's the douchiest lax parent on the internet?

it's a death match of one group of self entitled MD [lacrosse] bags vs another group of self entitled NY [lacrosse] bags!

Except for the fact that LI kids don't need to cheat the system for a win. We are self entitled because we have the boys with the most talent, you have the boys with the most money to engage in shady tactics to get an edge.

Crabs Doucher are you going to let the Crush Doucher get away with that?[/quote]

I'd say Crush has plenty of families that COULD send their kids to prep schools if they cared too- they just choose not to because their schools are very good and they do not have to reclass.[/quote]

I'm not sure if you know this, but Maryland Public Schools are ranked higher than New [lacrosse]'s...Also, a very high majority of kids do not reclass. But, why let facts stand in your way right?

Wish someone would please upload an Epic Rap Battle for the Ages "Md Lax Parent vs LI Lax Parent" onto youtube. That could be a classic.

I agree. The blue bloods from Baltimore in their county club gear rapping how they don't have to work since great grand dad left everything. they can afford to re-class their kids three times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. The blue bloods from Baltimore in their county club gear rapping how they don't have to work since great grand dad left everything. they can afford to re-class their kids three times.

That is almost at bad as assuming everyone on Long Island drives an IROC. When you start talking like this, any valid issues you have are completely dismissed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. The blue bloods from Baltimore in their county club gear rapping how they don't have to work since great grand dad left everything. they can afford to re-class their kids three times.

That is almost at bad as assuming everyone on Long Island drives an IROC. When you start talking like this, any valid issues you have are completely dismissed.

Let's just focus on lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. The blue bloods from Baltimore in their county club gear rapping how they don't have to work since great grand dad left everything. they can afford to re-class their kids three times.

You get to drive home. We have to live in Maryland.

Lets focus on the fact L.I. parents act like clowns on the sidelines and whine in their fake accents when their clearly superior lacrosse players lose a couple games. I enjoy watching the show as they parade around like they should be the center of attention rather than the kids. Fools.

BTW. If L.I. players are sooooo superior I am very surprised to see so many MD kids get recruited to D1 programs...year after year after year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets focus on the fact L.I. parents act like clowns on the sidelines and whine in their fake accents when their clearly superior lacrosse players lose a couple games. I enjoy watching the show as they parade around like they should be the center of attention rather than the kids. Fools.

BTW. If L.I. players are sooooo superior I am very surprised to see so many MD kids get recruited to D1 programs...year after year after year.

Ok someone else can do the research but the population of the state of Maryland is 5.9 million and the population of Long Island is 7.5 million. So I need someone to count all the D1 rosters to see who wins. Ready set GO>>>>>>

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets focus on the fact L.I. parents act like clowns on the sidelines and whine in their fake accents when their clearly superior lacrosse players lose a couple games. I enjoy watching the show as they parade around like they should be the center of attention rather than the kids. Fools.

BTW. If L.I. players are sooooo superior I am very surprised to see so many MD kids get recruited to D1 programs...year after year after year.

You are so right, acting like clowns on the side line is a major understatement. I actually really hate playing LI teams, I can't stand to see how the parents treat the kids and refs. So glad I don't live there because life must be tough on the island, that must be why they are so angry all of the time

Can we get back to lacrosse and stop the name calling? I just checked out the Warrior Denver tourney rules - I don't see anything that prevents any of the teams participating (Cough - Crabs) from bringing their reclassified kids. No age restriction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we get back to lacrosse and stop the name calling? I just checked out the Warrior Denver tourney rules - I don't see anything that prevents any of the teams participating (Cough - Crabs) from bringing their reclassified kids. No age restriction.

The age cutoff is 5/1, so to play in this event you had to be 13 on 5/1/14. There no doubt will be PLENTY of 14 year olds playing, as there will be PLENTY of kids that are still 14 playing. I would say anyone that is 12 that is playing in Denver would be considered "playing up"

But the reclassification issue will be in full force. Am I missing something?

Must also show documentation that they were in 7th grade the Past school year or lower. Any kids that were 2019 (even if they make age) are eligible. According to the website. Wonder how closely that will be enforced

Any boys that were in 8th grade ineligible. Crabs have a few kids that fit in age part but were in 8th grade this past year. Interesting to see if they try and push the envelope

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

As you know each and every player makes a difference and that difference is what separates the great from the good and winning from losing.
It doesn't matter if it's only one player the playing down in age is ridiculous and will be stopped soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must also show documentation that they were in 7th grade the Past school year or lower. Any kids that were 2019 (even if they make age) are eligible. According to the website. Wonder how closely that will be enforced

Good point, I forgot about that!! It should be interesting!

For Denver, you must be born on or after 5/1/01 and be in the class of 2020 or later (2021, etc.).

No 2019s allowed.

Any team in violation of these rules will forfeit all games.

Denver rules [cut and paste]:
All players must be born on or after 5/1/2001.
All players must be in the Class of 2020 or later.

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

As you know each and every player makes a difference and that difference is what separates the great from the good and winning from losing.
It doesn't matter if it's only one player the playing down in age is ridiculous and will be stopped soon.

If it's a grade based event with no age restrictions, then the Crabs (or any other club) is not "playing down". Whatever any event is, a team can be accused of cheating only if they are not following the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must also show documentation that they were in 7th grade the Past school year or lower. Any kids that were 2019 (even if they make age) are eligible. According to the website. Wonder how closely that will be enforced

That's not in the rules. Only says that all players must be in Class of 2020 or later. Technically, these kids are now in class of 2020

Yes meaning if they were in 19 " they are technically 19 til first day of school when they officially become a 20 Uhh ohh that's exactly the purpose of a report card

Unfortunately it's more than a few and after OC ALL eyes will be on the rules ! The level of embarrassment if caught would be rather large

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately it's more than a few and after OC ALL eyes will be on the rules ! The level of embarrassment if caught would be rather large

Crabs 2019 is playing in a tournament that weekend, so doubt there will be any of them in Denver

I bet all the 2019 players that played on the 2020 team in OC are on the 2020 team in Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

It should not be any - ever!! Statement illustrates how cavalier Crabs are about manipulating the system and playing older kids against younger kids. It is not only those "few" repeat eighth graders doing 8th grade against next year, but you also have to eliminate those who held back earlier and do not meet the age requirement. How many Crabs 2020 left? Just for fun, let's compare the Denver roster to the one the roster from Beach Lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For Denver, you must be born on or after 5/1/01 and be in the class of 2020 or later (2021, etc.).

No 2019s allowed.

Any team in violation of these rules will forfeit all games.

Who is actually going to check and in reality who is going to challenge the tournament organizers who are all "in" with the bigger club management. Repetitive behavior at all the tournaments and nobody is willing to take a stand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

As you know each and every player makes a difference and that difference is what separates the great from the good and winning from losing.
It doesn't matter if it's only one player the playing down in age is ridiculous and will be stopped soon.

If it's a grade based event with no age restrictions, then the Crabs (or any other club) is not "playing down". Whatever any event is, a team can be accused of cheating only if they are not following the rules.

Another brilliant statement by those manipulating the system and ruining the sport to benefit themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately it's more than a few and after OC ALL eyes will be on the rules ! The level of embarrassment if caught would be rather large

The level of embarrassment should already be high after what they did at Beach Lax but they wear it like a badge. Wonder how much last minute recruiting is going on now to find some guest actual 2020s to fill out their roster!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

As you know each and every player makes a difference and that difference is what separates the great from the good and winning from losing.
It doesn't matter if it's only one player the playing down in age is ridiculous and will be stopped soon.

If it's a grade based event with no age restrictions, then the Crabs (or any other club) is not "playing down". Whatever any event is, a team can be accused of cheating only if they are not following the rules.

Bingo! The rules from beach lax state that "placement on a grade based team...is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team". With several 8th graders that would make them a 2019 team - this fact has been overlooked.

If this is the case the crabs win should be vacated and they should be disqualified. Yes - it's a 7th grade lacrosse game - but - it is/was cheating and the should pay the price.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If this is the case the crabs win should be vacated and they should be disqualified. Yes - it's a 7th grade lacrosse game - but - it is/was cheating and the should pay the price.

Check the beach lax rules page.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

It should not be any - ever!! Statement illustrates how cavalier Crabs are about manipulating the system and playing older kids against younger kids. It is not only those "few" repeat eighth graders doing 8th grade against next year, but you also have to eliminate those who held back earlier and do not meet the age requirement. How many Crabs 2020 left? Just for fun, let's compare the Denver roster to the one the roster from Beach Lax.

Every Crabs 2020 player from this spring is eligible for Denver

Do the 2019s they played on 2020 team at beach lax qualify for Denver?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

As you know each and every player makes a difference and that difference is what separates the great from the good and winning from losing.
It doesn't matter if it's only one player the playing down in age is ridiculous and will be stopped soon.

If it's a grade based event with no age restrictions, then the Crabs (or any other club) is not "playing down". Whatever any event is, a team can be accused of cheating only if they are not following the rules.

Bingo! The rules from beach lax state that "placement on a grade based team...is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team". With several 8th graders that would make them a 2019 team - this fact has been overlooked.

It was after school was out. So those kids who are holdbacks are in the class of 2020. They didn't break any rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

As you know each and every player makes a difference and that difference is what separates the great from the good and winning from losing.
It doesn't matter if it's only one player the playing down in age is ridiculous and will be stopped soon.

If it's a grade based event with no age restrictions, then the Crabs (or any other club) is not "playing down". Whatever any event is, a team can be accused of cheating only if they are not following the rules.

Bingo! The rules from beach lax state that "placement on a grade based team...is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team". With several 8th graders that would make them a 2019 team - this fact has been overlooked.

It was after school was out. So those kids who are holdbacks are in the class of 2020. They didn't break any rules.

School was not out for everybody in Maryland or in NY so the 8th grade graduates were playing actual 7th graders still attending classes. School years are identified as 2014/2015 etc. so until 2015/2016 they are not 2020s. Who decided that just because they graduated the week before they were automatically 2020 when they did not have a day of school as 2020s? They will be 2020 once school starts again which is sad enough but they were not for Beach Lax. They broke the rules AND were poor examples of sportsmanship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

As you know each and every player makes a difference and that difference is what separates the great from the good and winning from losing.
It doesn't matter if it's only one player the playing down in age is ridiculous and will be stopped soon.

If it's a grade based event with no age restrictions, then the Crabs (or any other club) is not "playing down". Whatever any event is, a team can be accused of cheating only if they are not following the rules.

Bingo! The rules from beach lax state that "placement on a grade based team...is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team". With several 8th graders that would make them a 2019 team - this fact has been overlooked.

It was after school was out. So those kids who are holdbacks are in the class of 2020. They didn't break any rules.

"It was after school was out..." - not for everyone. In my book, you are not an 8th grader until you actually start 8th grade (for the first time). Obviously a gray area, which seems to be where the crabs operate best.

Now they will try to convince us that all those 7th graders were actually playing up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The number of kids on Crabs 2019 who will not qualify for this tournament is just a few. They will be close to full strength.

It should not be any - ever!! Statement illustrates how cavalier Crabs are about manipulating the system and playing older kids against younger kids. It is not only those "few" repeat eighth graders doing 8th grade against next year, but you also have to eliminate those who held back earlier and do not meet the age requirement. How many Crabs 2020 left? Just for fun, let's compare the Denver roster to the one the roster from Beach Lax.

Every Crabs 2020 player from this spring is eligible for Denver

Then I would expect their game against team 91 to be pretty close, assuming they meet, but it won't be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 2019s they played on 2020 team at beach lax qualify for Denver?

3 of them do, but it doesn't matter since they have their own tournament that weekend.

Just for fun, let's compare the Denver roster to the one the roster from Beach Lax.

Are you saying you wanna have some fun or do ya really wanna have some fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 2019s they played on 2020 team at beach lax qualify for Denver?

3 of them do, but it doesn't matter since they have their own tournament that weekend.

So 3 kids who have presumably done a year of pre-k and have also completed 8th grade (once so far) are all born after 5/1/2001? I don't think those numbers add up, plus I think it was already admitted here that they are not eligible for Denver.

To the poster that said they were out of school therefore they were 2020s - how can u say that with a straight face? It's laughable. The purpose of the rules is to make the games fair and competitive. The crabs (and anyone else who reclassifies players) are gaming to system in order to give their teams/players an unfair advantage. The Crabs cheat - no two ways about it.

I believe that the statement "Every Crabs 2020 player from this spring is eligible for Denver" refers to the NPYLL season, not Beach Lax.

Wait a minute - so you are saying the kids on 2019 - that played on 2020 vs. T91 are back playing on 2019?

Id love to see the rosters. How do we get them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait a minute - so you are saying the kids on 2019 - that played on 2020 vs. T91 are back playing on 2019?

Id love to see the rosters. How do we get them?

Good point, I guess they are so good that they "play up"! Ha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 2019s they played on 2020 team at beach lax qualify for Denver?

3 of them do, but it doesn't matter since they have their own tournament that weekend.

So 3 kids who have presumably done a year of pre-k and have also completed 8th grade (once so far) are all born after 5/1/2001? I don't think those numbers add up, plus I think it was already admitted here that they are not eligible for Denver.

The key word you used is presumably. The fact is that you have no damn idea any of these kids situations you just presume they must have cheated to have beaten Crush. 2 of the kids that played were in 7th grade this year but play up on 2019. The other did not got to pre 1st. So I presune you can now understand?

I would think Crush would have been appreciative of the Crabs being able to really challenge them. Tough competition only makes you better in the long run. Blowing out teams has to get boring after a while...

I'm from Maryland and see the Crabs play on a regular basis. Everyone that is not affiliated with the Crabs organization but is involved in youth lacrosse knows how they operate. I don't believe for one minute given the Crabs MO that if a kid is that talented he is playing up a grade. The whole Crabs/Boys Latin approach is to hold the best players back so they excel against the younger kids. The 2020 team is full of hold backs and so is the 2019 team. Let's call a spade a spade or in this case a cheater a cheater.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 2019s they played on 2020 team at beach lax qualify for Denver?

3 of them do, but it doesn't matter since they have their own tournament that weekend.

So 3 kids who have presumably done a year of pre-k and have also completed 8th grade (once so far) are all born after 5/1/2001? I don't think those numbers add up, plus I think it was already admitted here that they are not eligible for Denver.

The key word you used is presumably. The fact is that you have no damn idea any of these kids situations you just presume they must have cheated to have beaten Crush. 2 of the kids that played were in 7th grade this year but play up on 2019. The other did not got to pre 1st. So I presune you can now understand?

And if you believe that, I've got another good one for you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 2019s they played on 2020 team at beach lax qualify for Denver?

3 of them do, but it doesn't matter since they have their own tournament that weekend.

So 3 kids who have presumably done a year of pre-k and have also completed 8th grade (once so far) are all born after 5/1/2001? I don't think those numbers add up, plus I think it was already admitted here that they are not eligible for Denver.

The key word you used is presumably. The fact is that you have no damn idea any of these kids situations you just presume they must have cheated to have beaten Crush. 2 of the kids that played were in 7th grade this year but play up on 2019. The other did not got to pre 1st. So I presune you can now understand?

Funny since we have already established that at least three kids are repeating eighth grade in addition to any current kids who may already have been held back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 2019s they played on 2020 team at beach lax qualify for Denver?

3 of them do, but it doesn't matter since they have their own tournament that weekend.

So 3 kids who have presumably done a year of pre-k and have also completed 8th grade (once so far) are all born after 5/1/2001? I don't think those numbers add up, plus I think it was already admitted here that they are not eligible for Denver.

The key word you used is presumably. The fact is that you have no damn idea any of these kids situations you just presume they must have cheated to have beaten Crush. 2 of the kids that played were in 7th grade this year but play up on 2019. The other did not got to pre 1st. So I presune you can now understand?

This is not the forum to publicly mention names or numbers of players and their personal history but you should not presume people are not aware of the facts. And yes, to answer your question Crabs would have to "cheat" to beat T91 and they knew it going into the game. T91 is more skilled but unfortunately at the middle school level, size is a big factor and the older kids allowed Crabs to just barely win the game. Crabs has got to be very busy right now looking for guest players to supplement their 2020 in order to actually meet the age requirements for Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would think Crush would have been appreciative of the Crabs being able to really challenge them. Tough competition only makes you better in the long run. Blowing out teams has to get boring after a while...

Competition or not, nobody likes playing cheaters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would think Crush would have been appreciative of the Crabs being able to really challenge them. Tough competition only makes you better in the long run. Blowing out teams has to get boring after a while...

Are you serious? Crabs trying to justify what they did by giving the tough competition line to the nation's #1 2020 team. There is a huge difference between being challenged and an opposing team cheating to win a championship game in a competitive tournament. T91 could have chosen to play up in the 2019 bracket as they regularly do but they did not and deserved to play in their own age group. Them choosing their correct bracket and being sandbagged by a 2020 team full of older kids with additional players being brought in took that choice from them. Crabs does not get to force their opponents to play up just so they can avoid losing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would think Crush would have been appreciative of the Crabs being able to really challenge them. Tough competition only makes you better in the long run. Blowing out teams has to get boring after a while...

Are you serious? Crabs trying to justify what they did by giving the tough competition line to the nation's #1 2020 team. There is a huge difference between being challenged and an opposing team cheating to win a championship game in a competitive tournament. T91 could have chosen to play up in the 2019 bracket as they regularly do but they did not and deserved to play in their own age group. Them choosing their correct bracket and being sandbagged by a 2020 team full of older kids with additional players being brought in took that choice from them. Crabs does not get to force their opponents to play up just so they can avoid losing.

But they didn't play in an age based division. They played in a grade based

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would think Crush would have been appreciative of the Crabs being able to really challenge them. Tough competition only makes you better in the long run. Blowing out teams has to get boring after a while...

Are you serious? Crabs trying to justify what they did by giving the tough competition line to the nation's #1 2020 team. There is a huge difference between being challenged and an opposing team cheating to win a championship game in a competitive tournament. T91 could have chosen to play up in the 2019 bracket as they regularly do but they did not and deserved to play in their own age group. Them choosing their correct bracket and being sandbagged by a 2020 team full of older kids with additional players being brought in took that choice from them. Crabs does not get to force their opponents to play up just so they can avoid losing.

But they didn't play in an age based division. They played in a grade based

Ha, funny. Unfortunately not all were in the correct grade!

Yes, they were. If they weren't, their team would have been disqualified.

The kids on that team are all going to be in the class of 2019 this fall (or younger). They didn't break any rules. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they were. If they weren't, their team would have been disqualified.

The kids on that team are all going to be in the class of 2019 this fall (or younger). They didn't break any rules. Get over it.

Yep, that's what we've been saying - they are 2019s, finally we agree.

Saying "if we did something wrong, we would have been disqualified" is pretty lame. If tournaments actually enforced the rules that they published that would have been the case.

We know what you did, you know what you did, as do our sons. Nothing else to say here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they were. If they weren't, their team would have been disqualified.

The kids on that team are all going to be in the class of 2019 this fall (or younger). They didn't break any rules. Get over it.

I know for a fact, because my son knows them, and played against them in MIAA 8th Grade Lacrosse Games THIS YEAR, that at least two of the players at Beach Lax had just completed 8th grade. It's an inexcusable and classless move to have those players play for the 2020 team. Quit trying to create a scenario where this is acceptable because there isn't one. If you can't compete in your own age group, find another program that is better suited to your abilities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they were. If they weren't, their team would have been disqualified.

The kids on that team are all going to be in the class of 2019 this fall (or younger). They didn't break any rules. Get over it.

I live in Maryland and have three boys that have all played rec ball, then travel ball and then onto High School and College. They have several friends that have been held back. If my kids had attended private school, I might have been tempted to hold them back. They attended public school and therefore we did not. I am not arguing the theory or practice of holding kids back. The Crabs may not have broken any rules, but what they did was wrong. The kids tryout or are selected in late summer for the fall,spring and summer seasons. The boys that are on the 2019 team should have stayed with the 2019 team until new teams are established. If they finished the summer with their spring team and then were added to the 2020 roster in the, people would still complain(and it is their right to do so just like it is your right to hold your kid back), but I don't think you would have the uproar that you have. They didn't violate the letter of the rule, but they sure as [lacrosse] violated the spirit of it and what they did at a Youth Summer Lacrosse Tournament was simply in the spirit of the game wrong. I think to simply dismiss it, without putting yourself in the other person's shoes is also wrong. The argument's about this kid being younger and that kid being in this grade or that grade don't hold weight. They were 2019's in May and should be 2019's until the end of the summer season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they were. If they weren't, their team would have been disqualified.

The kids on that team are all going to be in the class of 2019 this fall (or younger). They didn't break any rules. Get over it.

Yep, that's what we've been saying - they are 2019s, finally we agree.

Saying "if we did something wrong, we would have been disqualified" is pretty lame. If tournaments actually enforced the rules that they published that would have been the case.

We know what you did, you know what you did, as do our sons. Nothing else to say here.

There was obviously a typo in that post. No rules were broken. Those kids are in the Class of 2020. I'm assuming your team lost to them and you are still butt hurt over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they were. If they weren't, their team would have been disqualified.

The kids on that team are all going to be in the class of 2019 this fall (or younger). They didn't break any rules. Get over it.

I live in Maryland and have three boys that have all played rec ball, then travel ball and then onto High School and College. They have several friends that have been held back. If my kids had attended private school, I might have been tempted to hold them back. They attended public school and therefore we did not. I am not arguing the theory or practice of holding kids back. The Crabs may not have broken any rules at Beach Lax, but what they did was wrong. The kids tryout or are selected in late summer for the fall,spring and summer seasons. The boys that are on the 2019 team should have stayed with the 2019 team until new teams are established. If they finished the summer with their spring team and then were added to the 2020 roster in the, people would still complain(and it is their right to do so just like it is your right to hold your kid back), but I don't think you would have the uproar that you have. They didn't violate the letter of the rule, but they sure as [lacrosse] violated the spirit of it and what they did at a Youth Summer Lacrosse Tournament was simply in the spirit of the game wrong. I think to simply dismiss it, without putting yourself in the other person's shoes is also wrong. The argument's about this kid being younger and that kid being in this grade or that grade don't hold weight. They were 2019's in May and should be 2019's until the end of the summer season.

Agreed. The kids that tried out and were chosen for the 2020 team should be the players on the field until new 2020 try outs are held . Crabs hurt their own name by hurting the kids that they benched so older kids not on their 2014-2015 team can take their spots. May not have been illegal but sure says something about how the Crabs coach feels about honor, and his players that HE chose for this years team. Wake up parents- don't let your kids be treated like that. Look at their championship picture- do your kids look happy ? NOT the ones that didn't play!!! Terrible coaching decision based on coaches ego , business and not on the spirit of lacrosse and for the spirits of your CURRENT 2020 roster.

I really hope insurance companies slap an age limit to their policies, something which is being pushed right now as they don't want to be paying out huge fines because certain coaches play older kids with younger kids. I wonder what happens to the reclassified kids? They lost their spot on their old teams, can't play with younger kids anymore and their skills probably didn't improve as much as they could have playing with their own peers. The day might not be soon , but sure enough this will happen. Just like the clubs being in it for money- the insurance companies are in it for the money. There will be a day that these clubs will find kids stuck on limbo.

Good luck to the kids that lose their roster spot to older kids playing down. May you outshine those kids with honor, grace and integrity. It will all even out in a year or two when puberty levels things out, if not the insurance companies before then!

Get over it. Ryan McClernan's final line of every least email to parents who have some issue or question to him about the program. I still have mine. Funny how that is always the last word and the last instant the kids whose parents get that last email. Crabs owner = Madlax owner. Nice to see he is still spending time in every day in his own words "crushing web sites". Way to go.

If the Crush bring their whole roster to Denver they will be cheating the 5/1 age cut off. But this will not be surprising as they have been winning games all along doing this and trying to deflect it away from them and on to other teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they were. If they weren't, their team would have been disqualified.

The kids on that team are all going to be in the class of 2019 this fall (or younger). They didn't break any rules. Get over it.

Actually, they should be all be in the class of 2020 this fall or younger. Whoops...slight typo??

Despite your humorous slip... it is still wrong. It is not fall yet so "This fall" logic is flawed. The players were in the class of 2019 for the school year that has not ended in Maryland yet. They are not considered 2020 until they actually attend school with 2020s. They should have been disqualified but we all know that never happens because money talks. To the rest of us, character talks louder.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they were. If they weren't, their team would have been disqualified.

The kids on that team are all going to be in the class of 2019 this fall (or younger). They didn't break any rules. Get over it.

Yep, that's what we've been saying - they are 2019s, finally we agree.

Saying "if we did something wrong, we would have been disqualified" is pretty lame. If tournaments actually enforced the rules that they published that would have been the case.

We know what you did, you know what you did, as do our sons. Nothing else to say here.

There was obviously a typo in that post. No rules were broken. Those kids are in the Class of 2020. I'm assuming your team lost to them and you are still butt hurt over it.

Guess when you have been saying they are 2019 for years it is hard to suddenly start saying 2020. The 2020 Crabs will forever be tainted by someone's bad decision. Bad enough the large number of hold backs on every Crabs team but to openly cheat to beat the #1 team was bound to get noticed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Crush bring their whole roster to Denver they will be cheating the 5/1 age cut off. But this will not be surprising as they have been winning games all along doing this and trying to deflect it away from them and on to other teams.

Nice try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, they were. If they weren't, their team would have been disqualified.

The kids on that team are all going to be in the class of 2019 this fall (or younger). They didn't break any rules. Get over it.

Yep, that's what we've been saying - they are 2019s, finally we agree.

Saying "if we did something wrong, we would have been disqualified" is pretty lame. If tournaments actually enforced the rules that they published that would have been the case.

We know what you did, you know what you did, as do our sons. Nothing else to say here.

There was obviously a typo in that post. No rules were broken. Those kids are in the Class of 2020. I'm assuming your team lost to them and you are still butt hurt over it.

"No rules were broken" - Keep telling yourself that, and we'll keep pointing out the truth.

"7. Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

Shame on Crabs for bending the rules, bigger issue is Beach lax allowing it to occur, and even bigger issue is US LAX have no back bone and failing to govern their own sport.

We as consumers of club lacrosse need to put pressure on our clubs and the tournaments our kids participate in. If big clubs stop participating in these tournaments things will change!

The tournament directors can simply fix this problem by adding the language "grade just completed" to their rules/eligibility section. There is not bending that or misinterpreting that. Although Crabs would probably say we are not cheating we just aren't following the rules.

Madlax is even worse. They have a kid who finished his freshman year of HS and now he is playing with kids who just finished 8th (their 2019 team).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is even worse. They have a kid who finished his freshman year of HS and now he is playing with kids who just finished 8th (their 2019 team).

That's exactly the same, kids are just one year older. Madlax is not a factor in 2020, when they start showing up in the finals of tournaments with a boatload of holdbacks we'll call them on it too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is even worse. They have a kid who finished his freshman year of HS and now he is playing with kids who just finished 8th (their 2019 team).

That's exactly the same, kids are just one year older. Madlax is not a factor in 2020, when they start showing up in the finals of tournaments with a boatload of holdbacks we'll call them on it too.

That's a stupid reply. We should only decry holdbacks for teams that win championships? If a team has multiple holdbacks and kids get hurt, that's ok as long as they're not in the championship game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is even worse. They have a kid who finished his freshman year of HS and now he is playing with kids who just finished 8th (their 2019 team).

That's exactly the same, kids are just one year older. Madlax is not a factor in 2020, when they start showing up in the finals of tournaments with a boatload of holdbacks we'll call them on it too.

That's a stupid reply. We should only decry holdbacks for teams that win championships? If a team has multiple holdbacks and kids get hurt, that's ok as long as they're not in the championship game?

Of course not, but I have no experience with Madlax holdbacks so I don't have any context from which to comment. Also, this is the crabs forum, yet someone keeps bringing up Madlax, trying to divert attention away from the crabs I guess. If it makes you happy I'll go post something in their forum too.

Saw this on another board. It is from US Lacrosse's insurance company:

Thank you for your recent email regarding reclassification of players in youth lacrosse. We are in regular communication with US Lacrosse on matters of safety and they have proven to be both proactive and effective at addressing evolving issues. The issue you addressed, is one such issue and it is a growing concern throughout youth sports, not just Lacrosse. Unfortunately, participants, parents, and others see reclassification as a means for players to gain an academic and/or athletic advantage and increase their potential (like recruitment by colleges as an example). US Lacrosse is actively pursuing a strategy that will establish age-based player segmentation guidelines (rather than grade based) and be supported by an age verification process incorporated into its membership application transaction. It hopes to conduct a pilot program this summer. It is possible that future sanctioning of events will be conditioned on the adoption of these best practices (age based player segmentation guidelines and age verification) and that the levels of insurance coverage may differ based upon compliance. As you can see, US Lacrosse is working diligently to address this issue. If you would like additional information about these initiatives, please don�t hesitate to reach out to US Lacrosse and Dr. Bruce Griffin, Director of Health & Safety at BGriffin@uslacrosse.org. Thanks again for contacting us and I hope this helps alleviate your concern.

The easy solution is grade based with an age part applied similar to the guideline the World Series of lacrosse is using 2020 but also born after xx/xx/201x

Reply I got from US Lax

US Lacrosse promotes single age groupings as the best practice for youth lacrosse. Sometimes this is not possible due to a lack of players in a certain area and sometimes it is done for a competitive advantage. Children of the same age are generally of similar physical and mental ability. I would encourage you to contact your league or club to adopt the US Lacrosse recommendation of grouping by a single years, like U10, U11 and U12. As the lacrosse consumer you have the power to tell the market what you prefer as the person funding your son.

You may be interested to know that US Lacrosse will be making an effort for age verification and event sanctioning which will help with some of this issue. Please see the link below.

By no means is this a comment to criticize the efforts of Dr. Brown and USL, but aren't these just repeats of the line USL has already taken? In 2014 USL published "golden stick" best practices. This summarized to stating that USL sanctioned events should be age based by calendar year. The new thing being added now is that USL will pilot age verification, which basically means kids show their USL member card at events or register using them like soccer has done.

All of this effort and the lacrosse tradesmen the laughed at it in 2014 and likely are howling still. Are lacrosse parents organized and motivated enough to go off and do organize their own leagues, events and do teams? Of course not. Is anything stopping the lacrosse trade from opting out and doing self insured events not sanctioned by USL? Of course not. The status quo is stuck in the mud no different from a national political debate over [fill in blank] social welfare program. I salute USL for making such efforts, but as a parent we can't just leave a frustration at their feet for all that is wrong here knowing they can't control it. Obama fan or no, we can't be critical of him for not deciding to just put his beliefs into law...as the congress and senate and....will need to be part of the process.

An additional approach might be to contact the insurers of grade based events. If a petition of parents signed a letter stating "we will move adverse to you as a class action" if a kid is debilitated on the field at an event maybe that would cut the lacrosse trade off at the pass. This grade based thing hasn't resulted in a revolt or a boycott. In fact summer tournaments and club fees today are on average more than double what they were 3 years ago. My kids played at $700 a season in 2012, and each are easily in the over $1500 a season and one is over $2000. Tournaments that were $1500 a 2 day weekend for a team to register are now $1500-$2500 PER DAY at those same events. It's pretty simple people, if the lacrosse tournament guys can't insure they are out of business exactly like a Bear Stearns or a Drexel Burnham were when the Fed didn't fund them overnight on a given day. You want this to end? Make it so they can't insure these events. Then they will fold and do age based teams, leagues and events in an instant to keep the cash coming.

Are there any major tournaments not sanctioned by US Lacrosse?

[quote=Anonymous]Are there any major tournaments not sanctioned by US Lacrosse? [/quot

Yes, basically all of them. You know it isn't sanctioned when your registration does not require a USL number. I can't remember the last time I needed one for my sons and they go to major tournaments including crabs ones.

Just had a conversation with some crabs parents today, they advised that the crabs organization asked them as well as a few other parents to hold back their sons for next years team.

The club is asking parents to do this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just had a conversation with some crabs parents today, they advised that the crabs organization asked them as well as a few other parents to hold back their sons for next years team.

The club is asking parents to do this?

Of course they did. Stop making things up. Crabs has never asked a parent to spend an extra $25k to have their kids repeat a grade. Not to mention that it's far too late to even do this at this point. You can't decide in June that you are going to move your kid to a new MIAA school to repeat a grade. Nice try though

Didn't say when the question was posed to the parents. But, it did happen!

Keep making excuses and defending and organization that lacks integrity and morals.

Crabs 2021 got beat by Annapolis Hawks today - better get more holdback!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2021 got beat by Annapolis Hawks today - better get more holdback!

It's a 5th grade game. It doesn't matter who wins. You'll realize this is a few years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just had a conversation with some crabs parents today, they advised that the crabs organization asked them as well as a few other parents to hold back their sons for next years team.

The club is asking parents to do this?

Of course they did. Stop making things up. Crabs has never asked a parent to spend an extra $25k to have their kids repeat a grade. Not to mention that it's far too late to even do this at this point. You can't decide in June that you are going to move your kid to a new MIAA school to repeat a grade. Nice try though

Do you actually believe what you wrote '''''Crabs has never asked a parent to spend an extra $25k to have their kids repeat a grade.''''

That is to funny ! Crabs have never asked a parents to have their kids repeat!! Too funny...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2021 got beat by Annapolis Hawks today - better get more holdback!

It's a 5th grade game. It doesn't matter who wins. You'll realize this is a few years.

5 grade is 2022. 2021 is 6 grade. Crab parents don't know what year is what. Many that is why the crabs kids all play on different crab teams tournament to tournament.....

It's a 5th grade game? the Crabs organization touts every little game they win and when they lose it does not matter? They got beat handily today and I am glad to see it. Half the team will reclassify by the time they are ready for high school anyway...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2021 got beat by Annapolis Hawks today - better get more holdback!

It's a 5th grade game. It doesn't matter who wins. You'll realize this is a few years.

For the Hawks, i'm sure it was a fifth grade game. For the Crabs, not so sure

I heard some of the better crabs 2020 players (the non hold backs) are looking to move elsewhere like to FCA, breakers, and others

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2021 got beat by Annapolis Hawks today - better get more holdback!

It's a 5th grade game. It doesn't matter who wins. You'll realize this is a few years.

It obviously matters to the kids playing the games. We get that it no longer matters to the kids (and parents) who are now playing at 6th, 7th, 8th, etc.

Lacrosse and all other games don't really matter in the whole grand scheme of life, but why do you feel the need to belittle the games that you feel are less important than the games you care about?

Enjoy the game. Encourage the kids. Everyone will benefit if you do.

The better Hawks kids will move over to Crabs!!

Of course! Because the natural 2019 non-holdbacks are pissed that they did not get substantial playing time because the numerous 2018 holdbacks took what should have been their time to shine. Now they will have to reclassify to shine as 2020's, thus screwing the non-holdback 2020's. A vicious cycle for the non-holdbacks that are very good players, but not great! Unfortunate that kids have to reclassify or move to other programs due to the ramphant reclassifying among the private school kids in the DMV. Used to soley be an issue at U15, now has filtered down to all of the age groups due to the grade based levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard some of the better crabs 2020 players (the non hold backs) are looking to move elsewhere like to FCA, breakers, and others

Can we talk about Edge? Why are they allowed to play in tournaments with kids who are a grade older?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard some of the better crabs 2020 players (the non hold backs) are looking to move elsewhere like to FCA, breakers, and others

The 2020 kids should move if they are going to be watching the older boys that have joined their team to play down. Why would they stay when they are talented and the only thing hurting them is that they are not playing with the younger group, but their own age. Play up, play your age, don't play down. Good luck to these kids. In 1-2 years they'll be hitting puberty and the tables will even out change for the kids that play down. You can't keep playing younger and younger to gain an advantage.

Do you know why Hawks players won't move over to the Crabs? Although it's clear the Crabs program has lots of talent there is an "end game factor" why they won't defect. Why go to the Crabs and play in 6th and 7th grade only to be cut or benched when you begin 8th grade because of the holdback players. I don't stress over holdbacks because when my son plays against them he does fine. Although it's to bad. As I have several friends who have great players on the Crabs 2021 team who will be pushed out of of spots/playing time soon enough for holdbacks from 2020. It's a domino effect. 2019 pushes down 2020, 2020 pushes out 2021.......FACT.

It's common knowledge around MD Lax. If you aren't holding your son back go anywhere but the Crabs.

If they are into cheating - I don't doubt it.

[quote=Anonymous]Of course! Because the natural 2019 non-holdbacks are pissed that they did not get substantial playing time because the numerous 2018 holdbacks took what should have been their time to shine. Now they will have to reclassify to shine as 2020's, thus screwing the non-holdback 2020's. A vicious cycle for the non-holdbacks that are very good players, but not great! Unfortunate that kids have to reclassify or move to other programs due to the ramphant reclassifying among the private school kids in the DMV. Used to soley be an issue at U15, now has filtered down to all of the age groups due to the grade based levels. [quote=Anonymous]I heard some of the better crabs 2020 players (the non hold backs) are looking to move elsewhere like to FCA, breakers, and others

This is a good thing right? Maybe those teams the Crabs kids move to will finally get better, making room for the better kids from other programs to the Crabs.

I heard 5 Club Blue players left to go play for the Crabs within the last week or two. Is this correct and how were there 5 spots on the Crab team this late in the year for them to go to?

Wrong. The best players for the Hawks leave for other clubs all the time, usually for the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The better Hawks kids will move over to Crabs!!

Those better kids that have left over the last two years still make the match up a push. These two teams have gone back and forth with wins and losses against each other

Not when it comes to HS. Crabs' HS teams pummel the Hawks, partly because the best Hawks players leave for the Crabs eventually.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard some of the better crabs 2020 players (the non hold backs) are looking to move elsewhere like to FCA, breakers, and others

The 2020 kids should move if they are going to be watching the older boys that have joined their team to play down. Why would they stay when they are talented and the only thing hurting them is that they are not playing with the younger group, but their own age. Play up, play your age, don't play down. Good luck to these kids. In 1-2 years they'll be hitting puberty and the tables will even out change for the kids that play down. You can't keep playing younger and younger to gain an advantage.

It is actually some of the kids who start that are moving. I feel that if US lacrosse put an age limit then the crabs program would be screwed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not when it comes to HS. Crabs' HS teams pummel the Hawks, partly because the best Hawks players leave for the Crabs eventually.

No kidding. The best players from all clubs go to Crabs in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard some of the better crabs 2020 players (the non hold backs) are looking to move elsewhere like to FCA, breakers, and others

The 2020 kids should move if they are going to be watching the older boys that have joined their team to play down. Why would they stay when they are talented and the only thing hurting them is that they are not playing with the younger group, but their own age. Play up, play your age, don't play down. Good luck to these kids. In 1-2 years they'll be hitting puberty and the tables will even out change for the kids that play down. You can't keep playing younger and younger to gain an advantage.

It is actually some of the kids who start that are moving. I feel that if US lacrosse put an age limit then the crabs program would be screwed

No, the Crabs were the best club out there before this holdback thing became ubiquitous. People can hate on them, but they've been sending tons of kids to D1 programs for years. They have very good coaching and great talent. That's always been their philosophy.

The only way those players move to other clubs is if they get cut - which is highly unlikely. Stop with the rumor crap and keep with the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. The best players for the Hawks leave for other clubs all the time, usually for the Crabs.

not always true, with the exception of 2017's most of the hawks rosters have stayed intact

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. The best players for the Hawks leave for other clubs all the time, usually for the Crabs.

not always true, with the exception of 2017's most of the hawks rosters have stayed intact

3 2018"s left Hawks for Crabs

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

The Crabs teams are on par with the Breakers, Hawks, Madlax etc. until the holdbacks come into play. Once the 7th and 8th grade teams are running into the reclassified players that's where the problems start.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

In the last 2 years 5-6 Hawks 2021 players have left for the Crabs. Let's see how that has worked out with the "best" players leaving for the Crabs.

Fall - Hawks over Crabs (by 1 goal)
Spring - Crabs over Hawks twice (Championship Game by 1 goal)
Summer - Hawks over Crabs by a couple in Championship of MD Lax Tourney.

Hawks core group has done just fine and has stuck together. All good games. But why drive that 2 hour round trip for an evenly talented team. Also. What about the concern of being pushed off the roster or minimal playing time by a 2020 who has to play down cause he can't handle his own age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. The best players for the Hawks leave for other clubs all the time, usually for the Crabs.

not always true, with the exception of 2017's most of the hawks rosters have stayed intact

3 2018"s left Hawks for Crabs

not exactly true, two 2018;s left three or four years ago and one came back, 2 2017's reclassed, played one year with 2018's and left

Maybe kids leave the Hawks because the HS program is mediocre. They had a good 2015 team, but other than that one, their HS teams are not elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

One of the hold back players was driving the other hold back players to the game, but the car broke down causing the hold back players to miss the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Would seem to be the case, looks like some good competition there. Actually more interested in hearing about Edge. Given their policy of intentionally registering teams down, did they look like a true 2020 i.e. rising 8th grade team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

One of the hold back players was driving the other hold back players to the game, but the car broke down causing the hold back players to miss the game.

* crickets *

* tumbleweeds *

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids leave the Hawks because the HS program is mediocre. They had a good 2015 team, but other than that one, their HS teams are not elite.

Maybe players leave to find the best team with the best spot for them as a player. This is how all parents should be working this system. The parent should use the system to find the best place for their son. Never should be chasing trophy's that no one remembers who won them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. The best players for the Hawks leave for other clubs all the time, usually for the Crabs.

not always true, with the exception of 2017's most of the hawks rosters have stayed intact

3 2018"s left Hawks for Crabs

not exactly true, two 2018;s left three or four years ago and one came back, 2 2017's reclassed, played one year with 2018's and left

I meant that 3 2017's reclassed, played one year with 2018's and left

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Would seem to be the case, looks like some good competition there. Actually more interested in hearing about Edge. Given their policy of intentionally registering teams down, did they look like a true 2020 i.e. rising 8th grade team?

2019 team with possible hold backs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Would seem to be the case, looks like some good competition there. Actually more interested in hearing about Edge. Given their policy of intentionally registering teams down, did they look like a true 2020 i.e. rising 8th grade team?

2019 team with possible hold backs.

So you're saying rising 9th graders with some possible 10th graders?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

One of the hold back players was driving the other hold back players to the game, but the car broke down causing the hold back players to miss the game.

* crickets *

* tumbleweeds *

Maybe because it's a stupid comment.

Edge was clearly full of older players given their size. Difference is that you didn't hear any Crabs players or parents whining about playing a bigger team who was great competition for them. They were appreciative of the challenge and complementary of the Edge players and organization. Crabs lost with class which shouldn't surprise anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Would seem to be the case, looks like some good competition there. Actually more interested in hearing about Edge. Given their policy of intentionally registering teams down, did they look like a true 2020 i.e. rising 8th grade team?

They didn't look like that because that's not what Edge is. Edge 2020 is kids that just finished 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Would seem to be the case, looks like some good competition there. Actually more interested in hearing about Edge. Given their policy of intentionally registering teams down, did they look like a true 2020 i.e. rising 8th grade team?

2019 team with possible hold backs.

So you're saying rising 9th graders with some possible 10th graders?

A few kids asked the Edge kids how 8th grade was (to see how old they were) and one kid responded "I'm a freshman" could just be the kid screwing with them, but they were large.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Would seem to be the case, looks like some good competition there. Actually more interested in hearing about Edge. Given their policy of intentionally registering teams down, did they look like a true 2020 i.e. rising 8th grade team?

2019 team with possible hold backs.

A match made in heaven.

I guess it is only cheating when it happens to pretzel boy and the boys/men in the blue and gold

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge was clearly full of older players given their size. Difference is that you didn't hear any Crabs players or parents whining about playing a bigger team who was great competition for them. They were appreciative of the challenge and complementary of the Edge players and organization. Crabs lost with class which shouldn't surprise anyone.

Pot, meet kettle. With many of their 2020s being actual 2019s or greater how could they? They would most likely need to play a 2018 team to understand what the rest of us feel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Would seem to be the case, looks like some good competition there. Actually more interested in hearing about Edge. Given their policy of intentionally registering teams down, did they look like a true 2020 i.e. rising 8th grade team?

They didn't look like that because that's not what Edge is. Edge 2020 is kids that just finished 8th grade.

No ethics. Pretty hard to deal with for any opposing teams who may have all been the right age to have to deal with two teams of holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge was clearly full of older players given their size. Difference is that you didn't hear any Crabs players or parents whining about playing a bigger team who was great competition for them. They were appreciative of the challenge and complementary of the Edge players and organization. Crabs lost with class which shouldn't surprise anyone.

Pot, meet kettle. With many of their 2020s being actual 2019s or greater how could they? They would most likely need to play a 2018 team to understand what the rest of us feel.

What is that you feel??? A tingling where your manhood used to be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge was clearly full of older players given their size. Difference is that you didn't hear any Crabs players or parents whining about playing a bigger team who was great competition for them. They were appreciative of the challenge and complementary of the Edge players and organization. Crabs lost with class which shouldn't surprise anyone.

Pot, meet kettle. With many of their 2020s being actual 2019s or greater how could they? They would most likely need to play a 2018 team to understand what the rest of us feel.

What we did read here is that Crabs must have had a "bad game" in the playoff. Really? .You lost to a team that plays your same age game and is sure sounds like an excuse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge was clearly full of older players given their size. Difference is that you didn't hear any Crabs players or parents whining about playing a bigger team who was great competition for them. They were appreciative of the challenge and complementary of the Edge players and organization. Crabs lost with class which shouldn't surprise anyone.

Pot, meet kettle. With many of their 2020s being actual 2019s or greater how could they? They would most likely need to play a 2018 team to understand what the rest of us feel.

What is that you feel??? A tingling where your manhood used to be?

All we have heard is that the Edge players were all 2019 - sounds like whining and excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

Roughriders also beat the Championship team in the regular play so does that make them Champions too or having a bad game? Take your loss without excuses. Did Edge have more 2019s on their 2020 team then Crabs did this week?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

One of the hold back players was driving the other hold back players to the game, but the car broke down causing the hold back players to miss the game.

* crickets *

* tumbleweeds *

Maybe because it's a stupid comment.

Actually is a pretty funny comment and quite plausible too. By the way, that was the sound of silence above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge was clearly full of older players given their size. Difference is that you didn't hear any Crabs players or parents whining about playing a bigger team who was great competition for them. They were appreciative of the challenge and complementary of the Edge players and organization. Crabs lost with class which shouldn't surprise anyone.

Well, they could not exactly whine or complain when they were beaten by a team also playing the age game? And excuses have been all over this board since they lost. It just shows that if the Crabs played in their correct grade, they would be a mediocre team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

Roughriders also beat the Championship team in the regular play so does that make them Champions too or having a bad game? Take your loss without excuses. Did Edge have more 2019s on their 2020 team then Crabs did this week?

I bet RM won't make that mistake twice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

Roughriders also beat the Championship team in the regular play so does that make them Champions too or having a bad game? Take your loss without excuses. Did Edge have more 2019s on their 2020 team then Crabs did this week?

Actually Crabs 2020 had zero 2019 kids this week. Edge had all 2019 kids. Didn't matter since they both lost in playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

Roughriders also beat the Championship team in the regular play so does that make them Champions too or having a bad game? Take your loss without excuses. Did Edge have more 2019s on their 2020 team then Crabs did this week?

Actually Crabs 2020 had zero 2019 kids this week. Edge had all 2019 kids. Didn't matter since they both lost in playoffs.

The 2019s were busy losing to Edge in that division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

Roughriders also beat the Championship team in the regular play so does that make them Champions too or having a bad game? Take your loss without excuses. Did Edge have more 2019s on their 2020 team then Crabs did this week?

Actually Crabs 2020 had zero 2019 kids this week. Edge had all 2019 kids. Didn't matter since they both lost in playoffs.

So the Crabs team this weekend is the one heading to Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

Roughriders also beat the Championship team in the regular play so does that make them Champions too or having a bad game? Take your loss without excuses. Did Edge have more 2019s on their 2020 team then Crabs did this week?

Actually Crabs 2020 had zero 2019 kids this week. Edge had all 2019 kids. Didn't matter since they both lost in playoffs.

So the Crabs team this weekend is the one heading to Denver.

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

So the Crabs players switch back and forth between 2020/2019? Is that fair? Of course it isn't - but its the Crab way....

I love to see them lose - damn dirty cheaters...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Crabs players switch back and forth between 2020/2019? Is that fair? Of course it isn't - but its the Crab way....

I love to see them lose - damn dirty cheaters...

Apparently, when there isn't a rule written somewhere, anything goes. Sends a great message to the kids.

As someone once said...sports do not build character, they reveal it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Crabs players switch back and forth between 2020/2019? Is that fair? Of course it isn't - but its the Crab way....

I love to see them lose - damn dirty cheaters...

Apparently, when there isn't a rule written somewhere, anything goes. Sends a great message to the kids.

As someone once said...sports do not build character, they reveal it.

That's not the quote. You botched it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Edge beat the Crabs 2020 team 10-5 to knock them out of the Hershey tournament this weekend. Did anyone see that game?

Crabs beat the champions who beat Edge in the finals, so seems they must have had a bad game in the semis.

Or maybe the champions had a bad game against the Crabs.

Roughriders also beat the Championship team in the regular play so does that make them Champions too or having a bad game? Take your loss without excuses. Did Edge have more 2019s on their 2020 team then Crabs did this week?

Actually Crabs 2020 had zero 2019 kids this week. Edge had all 2019 kids. Didn't matter since they both lost in playoffs.

So the Crabs team this weekend is the one heading to Denver.

Not all their "regular" 2020s are eligible for Denver so it will be interesting to see what they come up with. They may not have brought their kids that just graduated from 8th grade to Hershey but the team was not all age eligible for Denver to begin with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Crabs players switch back and forth between 2020/2019? Is that fair? Of course it isn't - but its the Crab way....

I love to see them lose - damn dirty cheaters...

Apparently, when there isn't a rule written somewhere, anything goes. Sends a great message to the kids.

As someone once said...sports do not build character, they reveal it.

That's not the quote. You botched it.

Numerous instances of it on the web...but who cares, still very appropriate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge was clearly full of older players given their size. Difference is that you didn't hear any Crabs players or parents whining about playing a bigger team who was great competition for them. They were appreciative of the challenge and complementary of the Edge players and organization. Crabs lost with class which shouldn't surprise anyone.

That is just hilarious...Two cheaters playing each other ..and the one cheater says its ok..we lose with dignity..Hilarious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Edge was clearly full of older players given their size. Difference is that you didn't hear any Crabs players or parents whining about playing a bigger team who was great competition for them. They were appreciative of the challenge and complementary of the Edge players and organization. Crabs lost with class which shouldn't surprise anyone.

Pot, meet kettle. With many of their 2020s being actual 2019s or greater how could they? They would most likely need to play a 2018 team to understand what the rest of us feel.

What is that you feel??? A tingling where your manhood used to be?

Ewww, weirdo. Tingling? They let you around kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge was clearly full of older players given their size. Difference is that you didn't hear any Crabs players or parents whining about playing a bigger team who was great competition for them. They were appreciative of the challenge and complementary of the Edge players and organization. Crabs lost with class which shouldn't surprise anyone.

That is just hilarious...Two cheaters playing each other ..and the one cheater says its ok..we lose with dignity..Hilarious

That is comical. The cheaters can continue to pat one another on the back. If it wasn't an issue poster never would have mentioned that Edge had older players, they would have just said- it was great competition for us and they were the BETTER team. Once you mention they were older, you categorize yourself with those that think there is an unfair advantage to playing kids down. I guess you think you lost because they were older, not an overall better team.

So several 2021 players left the Hawks and went to the Crabs. No big deal. I am sure each did what they felt was in best interest of their boys; shouldn't everyone do that?

Both teams have very talented players and it has come down to who played harder and wanted to win more. I am sure there will be many more tough games by both teams to come.

No one is guaranteed a spot on either team by Hogan or McClarnen. If you look at the HS rosters of both clubs, I am sure you will see several kids who have been at each club for more than a couple years were cut for new comers; re-classifiers or not. And there will be more that leave the Hawks for various programs as well as Crabs. However you cut it, each team will look drastically different by their rising sophomore year.

Keep in mind, they are still 6th graders and have many years ahead of them to get better should they choose to put in the work. Hopefully they are in the best program for their individual needs where they can continue their development and not simply for a cool bright yellow helmet or matte black winged lid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So several 2021 players left the Hawks and went to the Crabs. No big deal. I am sure each did what they felt was in best interest of their boys; shouldn't everyone do that?

Both teams have very talented players and it has come down to who played harder and wanted to win more. I am sure there will be many more tough games by both teams to come.

No one is guaranteed a spot on either team by Hogan or McClarnen. If you look at the HS rosters of both clubs, I am sure you will see several kids who have been at each club for more than a couple years were cut for new comers; re-classifiers or not. And there will be more that leave the Hawks for various programs as well as Crabs. However you cut it, each team will look drastically different by their rising sophomore year.

Keep in mind, they are still 6th graders and have many years ahead of them to get better should they choose to put in the work. Hopefully they are in the best program for their individual needs where they can continue their development and not simply for a cool bright yellow helmet or matte black winged lid.

Good post

Good post with valid points. Also. Both 2021 teams have wonderful young men!! Although I respectfully think a Crabs player has a much higher chance of losing his spot to a reclass. kid than a Hawks kid does (not whining about holdbacks, I don't stress about them like some do). I do agree with the newcomers taking spots for both teams as the years go by. Contrary to some who post here the Hawks are just as appealing to some as the Crabs for individual reasons and new talent arrives every year.

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.[/quote]

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"... [/quote]

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.[/quote]

Exactly why nobody has respect for Crabs. An OT win by 1 point (which by the way, Crabs had several 1 point wins that weekend) when you are using players a year to two older brought down for the sole reason to win a Championship, is not one you should brag about - much less use the word "maul". You guys get funnier by the minute.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.[/quote]

Actually, I wasn't calling that win a mauling, or boasting at all, I was simply trying to point out how idiotic you sound. That was a very close game between two very talented teams, but it seems a bit ridiculous to say Crush will "maul" a team they just lost a Championship to 2 weeks ago, doesn't it? I'm trying to help you think logically here, that's all...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Actually, I wasn't calling that win a mauling, or boasting at all, I was simply trying to point out how idiotic you sound. That was a very close game between two very talented teams, but it seems a bit ridiculous to say Crush will "maul" a team they just lost a Championship to 2 weeks ago, doesn't it? I'm trying to help you think logically here, that's all... [/quote]

In case you are just tuning in...many of the Crabs kids who were at the beach are not eligible for Denver - it's only for genuine rising 8th graders. They are going to have a hard time competing with Crush without half a dozen 14-15 year olds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Actually, I wasn't calling that win a mauling, or boasting at all, I was simply trying to point out how idiotic you sound. That was a very close game between two very talented teams, but it seems a bit ridiculous to say Crush will "maul" a team they just lost a Championship to 2 weeks ago, doesn't it? I'm trying to help you think logically here, that's all...

In case you are just tuning in...many of the Crabs kids who were at the beach are not eligible for Denver - it's only for genuine rising 8th graders. They are going to have a hard time competing with Crush without half a dozen 14-15 year olds.[/quote]

I suppose we'll all just have to see, won't we? ;-)

Nothing is better to read at the desk during lunch than the rantings of dads arguing over the Internet about youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Actually, I wasn't calling that win a mauling, or boasting at all, I was simply trying to point out how idiotic you sound. That was a very close game between two very talented teams, but it seems a bit ridiculous to say Crush will "maul" a team they just lost a Championship to 2 weeks ago, doesn't it? I'm trying to help you think logically here, that's all...[/quote]

It is logical that Crush will win by a significant margin since Crabs can not bring the same team to Denver that played in Beach Lax because they are too old to qualify for the Denver age restriction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Actually, I wasn't calling that win a mauling, or boasting at all, I was simply trying to point out how idiotic you sound. That was a very close game between two very talented teams, but it seems a bit ridiculous to say Crush will "maul" a team they just lost a Championship to 2 weeks ago, doesn't it? I'm trying to help you think logically here, that's all...

In case you are just tuning in...many of the Crabs kids who were at the beach are not eligible for Denver - it's only for genuine rising 8th graders. They are going to have a hard time competing with Crush without half a dozen 14-15 year olds.

I suppose we'll all just have to see, won't we? ;-)[/quote]

If they use their regular 2020 roster with the kids that earned a spot on the team in the fall and do not supplement with 1) older ineligible players or 2)bring in special players from other locations that may meet age requirements but who are not members of the team , then they will lose which is what they knew going into Beach Lax and why they felt the need to bring in 8th grade graduates and other players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Exactly why nobody has respect for Crabs. An OT win by 1 point (which by the way, Crabs had several 1 point wins that weekend) when you are using players a year to two older brought down for the sole reason to win a Championship, is not one you should brag about - much less use the word "maul". You guys get funnier by the minute. [/quote]

Can you even read? The word maul was used by the OP saying that Crush would maul Crabs in Denver. No one ever said that Crabs mauled Crush. Yeesh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Actually, I wasn't calling that win a mauling, or boasting at all, I was simply trying to point out how idiotic you sound. That was a very close game between two very talented teams, but it seems a bit ridiculous to say Crush will "maul" a team they just lost a Championship to 2 weeks ago, doesn't it? I'm trying to help you think logically here, that's all...

It is logical that Crush will win by a significant margin since Crabs can not bring the same team to Denver that played in Beach Lax because they are too old to qualify for the Denver age restriction. [/quote]

So we agree that Crabs cannot win without their holdbacks, finally. I think we're done here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Actually, I wasn't calling that win a mauling, or boasting at all, I was simply trying to point out how idiotic you sound. That was a very close game between two very talented teams, but it seems a bit ridiculous to say Crush will "maul" a team they just lost a Championship to 2 weeks ago, doesn't it? I'm trying to help you think logically here, that's all...

It is logical that Crush will win by a significant margin since Crabs can not bring the same team to Denver that played in Beach Lax because they are too old to qualify for the Denver age restriction.

So we agree that Crabs cannot win without their holdbacks, finally. I think we're done here. [/quote]

we're not done here until Ryan says we're done here, of course when Ryan says we're done here, you never hear from him again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Actually, I wasn't calling that win a mauling, or boasting at all, I was simply trying to point out how idiotic you sound. That was a very close game between two very talented teams, but it seems a bit ridiculous to say Crush will "maul" a team they just lost a Championship to 2 weeks ago, doesn't it? I'm trying to help you think logically here, that's all...

It is logical that Crush will win by a significant margin since Crabs can not bring the same team to Denver that played in Beach Lax because they are too old to qualify for the Denver age restriction.

So we agree that Crabs cannot win without their holdbacks, finally. I think we're done here.[/quote]

You've established that how? They have done quite well with the regular team all year.

The Crabs 2020 team has done quite well with the "regular" team? That team has a slew of holdbacks too. It's a joke.

Without reclassified kids they are not much to write home about. Having to provide birth certificates AND reports card for Denver is going to significantly hamper their ability to compete. I sure hope we see Team 91 v. Crabs final on national TV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Exactly why nobody has respect for Crabs. An OT win by 1 point (which by the way, Crabs had several 1 point wins that weekend) when you are using players a year to two older brought down for the sole reason to win a Championship, is not one you should brag about - much less use the word "maul". You guys get funnier by the minute.

Can you even read? The word maul was used by the OP saying that Crush would maul Crabs in Denver. No one ever said that Crabs mauled Crush. Yeesh [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would appear although there was some question as to whether or not all of the regular team was eligible. Regardless of who they scrape up, expect Crush to maul them. Best part is, they won't be able to make any excuses since everyone is following the same rules.

Oddly enough, Crush is conspicuously absent from the "Champions" page for Beach Lax a couple weeks ago, only name there for 2020s is Crabs. You should Google the definition of "maul"...

That page should read Champions*.

Pretty sure that the definition of maul is not a one point win in OT.

Still boasting about your tainted win, unbelievable.

Exactly why nobody has respect for Crabs. An OT win by 1 point (which by the way, Crabs had several 1 point wins that weekend) when you are using players a year to two older brought down for the sole reason to win a Championship, is not one you should brag about - much less use the word "maul". You guys get funnier by the minute.

Can you even read? The word maul was used by the OP saying that Crush would maul Crabs in Denver. No one ever said that Crabs mauled Crush. Yeesh [/quote]

Well said. The lack of intellect that exists within this forum is mind boggling - it seems that many simply cannot read. Although, since I regularly attend the tourneys and watch many of the team parents in action, I have to say that it does not surprise me...

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we're not done here until Ryan says we're done here, of course when Ryan says we're done here, you never hear from him again

+1 Funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you even read? The word maul was used by the OP saying that Crush would maul Crabs in Denver. No one ever said that Crabs mauled Crush. Yeesh

Well said. The lack of intellect that exists within this forum is mind boggling - it seems that many simply cannot read. Although, since I regularly attend the tourneys and watch many of the team parents in action, I have to say that it does not surprise me...

Please, the comment about Crush "absent from the champions page" was a direct response to the comment about Crabs getting mauled.

Bottom line...Crabs rely on holdbacks to win (this we all agree on), Beach Lax holdbacks and several other team members are not eligible for Denver. Should be fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you even read? The word maul was used by the OP saying that Crush would maul Crabs in Denver. No one ever said that Crabs mauled Crush. Yeesh

Well said. The lack of intellect that exists within this forum is mind boggling - it seems that many simply cannot read. Although, since I regularly attend the tourneys and watch many of the team parents in action, I have to say that it does not surprise me...

Please, the comment about Crush "absent from the champions page" was a direct response to the comment about Crabs getting mauled.

Bottom line...Crabs rely on holdbacks to win (this we all agree on), Beach Lax holdbacks and several other team members are not eligible for Denver. Should be fun to watch.

See? You're still not getting through to them - it's just not worth it. I'm pretty sure he was saying "don't say they will get mauled when they just beat that team", but what do I know? It doesn't seem all that difficult to understand, I never interpreted it any other way. Bottom line is, they lost, so I'm also interested to see what happens this weekend. Hopefully both dads have the balls to eat crow when one of their teams lose...

So is McClernan going to let Canada Edge play in his tournaments knowing that they are a full year older than their competition due to a PG year? Not worried about the fall out to his Club should someone get hurt due to the size differential?

World Series of youth lacrosse all participants must make age cutoff but also be able to produce a report card that shows them in 7th grade or lower the past school year. Double proof. How many teams will this impact? This type of situation seems like something that US lacrosse could easily enforce throughout all tournaments

I would have to think the Crabs are scrambling to get kids to meet those restrictions. Their 2020 team without holdbacks is not going be able to compete with the likes of T91 and the potential of being embarrassed (potentially on National TV) is very real.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would have to think the Crabs are scrambling to get kids to meet those restrictions. Their 2020 team without holdbacks is not going be able to compete with the likes of T91 and the potential of being embarrassed (potentially on National TV) is very real.

Is this why the Crabs just added 5 new player from Club Blue to the 2019 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series of youth lacrosse all participants must make age cutoff but also be able to produce a report card that shows them in 7th grade or lower the past school year. Double proof. How many teams will this impact? This type of situation seems like something that US lacrosse could easily enforce throughout all tournaments

US LAX has no backbone, this issue should have been resolved years ago. What other sport has different age restriction for each tournament or league? It's an embarrassment!

Rosters for World Series are locked in for the past two months. Players must make age as well as produce a report card. Seems like people running this event are following strict guidelines and that is refreshing to see

Ok you have me on this. Edge 2020 got invited to the World Series of lacrosse. We decided not to go because three players would have been excluded because of their age. Born before May 1/2001. Now your saying the kids also should be in grade 7. All our boys just finished grade 8. Do kids actually start school a year later in some states?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series of youth lacrosse all participants must make age cutoff but also be able to produce a report card that shows them in 7th grade or lower the past school year. Double proof. How many teams will this impact? This type of situation seems like something that US lacrosse could easily enforce throughout all tournaments

US LAX has no backbone, this issue should have been resolved years ago. What other sport has different age restriction for each tournament or league? It's an embarrassment!

All of them is the answer to this question. Girls softball has 6 major leagues/tournament ruling bodies. The ages and cutoffs are all a little different. Same reason there is 6 hamburger joints or 5 banks on the same block. All just a little different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok you have me on this. Edge 2020 got invited to the World Series of lacrosse. We decided not to go because three players would have been excluded because of their age. Born before May 1/2001. Now your saying the kids also should be in grade 7. All our boys just finished grade 8. Do kids actually start school a year later in some states?

in Maryland 2020 graduation year would be students born between 9/1/2001 - 8/31/2002. Any child born before 9/1/2001 and in 2020 graduation year either went to pre first in private school, or repeated a grade.

Ok here's the true answer Edge 2020 was put together for Dicks. Every boy except 2 AP players are born after June 1/2001. Are we in the wrong age group because we sure heard that we were all weekend. Our kids had fun and never thought we would go as far as we did. We did beat the Crabs but that game and a few others could have gone either way with a bounce here and there. We are playing 2019 this weekend in Rochester and did so in Albany and Erie Pa as we have been told different regions different age groups. South of Mason/Dixon line we are 2020 north we play 2019. Chicago shootout we play 2019. We played 2019 last fall on the Saturday of autumn classic agst c2c and sentry and they looked like 2000's to us. We just love coming down and enjoy the competition see u all next Saturday at Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would have to think the Crabs are scrambling to get kids to meet those restrictions. Their 2020 team without holdbacks is not going be able to compete with the likes of T91 and the potential of being embarrassed (potentially on National TV) is very real.

No, they have plenty of players for this event. Only a few on their roster were affected.

17/21 players are born after june /2001 but we have no 2002's as we are hoping to play at [lacrosse]'s Sporting Goods. No player on our team is born in 2000 although we have two January 2001's. Maybe we will just play 2019A instead of AA because I don't think we enjoyed the verbal abuse. Thanks for the clarification. Have a great summer to all teams!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

17/21 players are born after june /2001 but we have no 2002's as we are hoping to play at [lacrosse]'s Sporting Goods. No player on our team is born in 2000 although we have two January 2001's. Maybe we will just play 2019A instead of AA because I don't think we enjoyed the verbal abuse. Thanks for the clarification. Have a great summer to all teams!

So there is no one older than 14, with most being 13 since 17 of them are born after 6/1.

yes we have 8 players born in june 2001

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes we have 8 players born in june 2001

the majority of 2020 LI teams have 90% of their team born in 2002- with 1-3 players born in Dec or Fall of 2001. Makes for an interesting comparison.

I call BS on the Crabs only having a few that were not affected by the age cut off. 2020 is full of holdbacks. The team that played at Beach Lax certainly isn't playing in Denver....

Crabs are cheaters - no two ways about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok here's the true answer Edge 2020 was put together for Dicks. Every boy except 2 AP players are born after June 1/2001. Are we in the wrong age group because we sure heard that we were all weekend. Our kids had fun and never thought we would go as far as we did. We did beat the Crabs but that game and a few others could have gone either way with a bounce here and there. We are playing 2019 this weekend in Rochester and did so in Albany and Erie Pa as we have been told different regions different age groups. South of Mason/Dixon line we are 2020 north we play 2019. Chicago shootout we play 2019. We played 2019 last fall on the Saturday of autumn classic agst c2c and sentry and they looked like 2000's to us. We just love coming down and enjoy the competition see u all next Saturday at Crabs

You should be playing 2019 at Crabs. There is no difference between playing in the north and the south. You will be playing kids younger than your kids and that is why you are hearing that. 2020 is just finishing 7th grade and the boys should all be born after 9/2001. Any players between 6/1 and 9/1/2001 really do not belong in 2020 and certainly no players before 6/1/2001 especially finishing 8th grade. Please ask to be realigned for your tournament to avoid any tainted wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes we have 8 players born in june 2001

You definitely belong in 2019 if you have 8 players born in June 2001 and two born before June 2001 - added to the fact that you are just finishing 8th grade you should insist on being moved. You could be playing kids a full year younger than you and you are increasing the risk of injury to the younger, smaller kids not to mention it is just bad form. Why would your club director, coaches and the tournament put you in this position? Insist on doing the right thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I call BS on the Crabs only having a few that were not affected by the age cut off. 2020 is full of holdbacks. The team that played at Beach Lax certainly isn't playing in Denver....

Crabs are cheaters - no two ways about it.

I call BS on the fact that you have any idea what you are talking about. There are no "holdbacks" in 7th grade. There are some kids that went to prefirst but only a few of them were born before the 5/1/2001 cutoff. Obviously you have no idea how this works. Kids aren't being held back until they have completed 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I call BS on the Crabs only having a few that were not affected by the age cut off. 2020 is full of holdbacks. The team that played at Beach Lax certainly isn't playing in Denver....

Crabs are cheaters - no two ways about it.

I call BS on the fact that you have any idea what you are talking about. There are no "holdbacks" in 7th grade. There are some kids that went to prefirst but only a few of them were born before the 5/1/2001 cutoff. Obviously you have no idea how this works. Kids aren't being held back until they have completed 8th grade.

No hold backs in 7th grade, but the issue now is the kids repeating 8th grade next year are now playing with 7th rising 8th graders this year (2020).

The holding back is not done exclusively at 8th grade -- not at all. Some kids repeat 3rd grade, some at the beginning of middle school. It is usually done at the time a boy switches schools. In many cases, the decision to hold back is the impetus for switching schools.
It used to be the social stigma of being "left back" discouraged parents from doing this to their children. One would feel sorry for the kids who could not manage to keep up in school. It seems that among athletes' parents, that disadvantage is outweighed by the advantages. Nevertheless, the stigma is still there. It is just difficult for people inside the sports bubble to perceive, or easy for them to disregard. Holding back athletes does a disservice to true student-athletes, perpetuating the stereotype of the dumb jock.

The Edge 2019 team that played in Albany was a team of 14 year old 8th graders (rising 9th graders). Parents confirmed it as did players on the field. That team played down a year (2020) in MD the next week. Edge parents, please don't try to spin it any other way. If that true 2019 Edge team played 91 or LIE 2019 teams, they would lose by 10+ goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The holding back is not done exclusively at 8th grade -- not at all. Some kids repeat 3rd grade, some at the beginning of middle school. It is usually done at the time a boy switches schools. In many cases, the decision to hold back is the impetus for switching schools.
It used to be the social stigma of being "left back" discouraged parents from doing this to their children. One would feel sorry for the kids who could not manage to keep up in school. It seems that among athletes' parents, that disadvantage is outweighed by the advantages. Nevertheless, the stigma is still there. It is just difficult for people inside the sports bubble to perceive, or easy for them to disregard. Holding back athletes does a disservice to true student-athletes, perpetuating the stereotype of the dumb jock.

Nicely said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Edge 2019 team that played in Albany was a team of 14 year old 8th graders (rising 9th graders). Parents confirmed it as did players on the field. That team played down a year (2020) in MD the next week. Edge parents, please don't try to spin it any other way. If that true 2019 Edge team played 91 or LIE 2019 teams, they would lose by 10+ goals.

Based on what I've seen of them as a 2020 parent I'm more inclined to believe this.

The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

My point is, kids that repeat grades in elementary school do so for academic reasons based on their test scores when they apply to these schools. I agree that the kids repeating 8th grade are taking advantage of the system. The NPYLL 2020 crabs do not have any kids that repeated a grade for lacrosse reasons. It was wrong what they did at Beach Lax. We'll see what happens in Denver

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

My point is, kids that repeat grades in elementary school do so for academic reasons based on their test scores when they apply to these schools. I agree that the kids repeating 8th grade are taking advantage of the system. The NPYLL 2020 crabs do not have any kids that repeated a grade for lacrosse reasons. It was wrong what they did at Beach Lax. We'll see what happens in Denver

if kids repeat a grade for academic reasons they shouldn't be playing against kids who are a year younger. The NPYLL 2020 players who repeated a grade for academic reasons should be playing 2019!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

My point is, kids that repeat grades in elementary school do so for academic reasons based on their test scores when they apply to these schools. I agree that the kids repeating 8th grade are taking advantage of the system. The NPYLL 2020 crabs do not have any kids that repeated a grade for lacrosse reasons. It was wrong what they did at Beach Lax. We'll see what happens in Denver

Oh yea, well nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in doo doo!

The Crabs 2020 team that played in the spring is full of kids that are 2019 aged but have already been held back for one reason or another.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

My point is, kids that repeat grades in elementary school do so for academic reasons based on their test scores when they apply to these schools. I agree that the kids repeating 8th grade are taking advantage of the system. The NPYLL 2020 crabs do not have any kids that repeated a grade for lacrosse reasons. It was wrong what they did at Beach Lax. We'll see what happens in Denver

if kids repeat a grade for academic reasons they shouldn't be playing against kids who are a year younger. The NPYLL 2020 players who repeated a grade for academic reasons should be playing 2019!

That makes no sense. Why would they play 2019 when they graduate in 2020?

^^^^^What???^^^^^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

My point is, kids that repeat grades in elementary school do so for academic reasons based on their test scores when they apply to these schools. I agree that the kids repeating 8th grade are taking advantage of the system. The NPYLL 2020 crabs do not have any kids that repeated a grade for lacrosse reasons. It was wrong what they did at Beach Lax. We'll see what happens in Denver

if kids repeat a grade for academic reasons they shouldn't be playing against kids who are a year younger. The NPYLL 2020 players who repeated a grade for academic reasons should be playing 2019!

That makes no sense. Why would they play 2019 when they graduate in 2020?

because they are a year older than a true 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

My point is, kids that repeat grades in elementary school do so for academic reasons based on their test scores when they apply to these schools. I agree that the kids repeating 8th grade are taking advantage of the system. The NPYLL 2020 crabs do not have any kids that repeated a grade for lacrosse reasons. It was wrong what they did at Beach Lax. We'll see what happens in Denver

if kids repeat a grade for academic reasons they shouldn't be playing against kids who are a year younger. The NPYLL 2020 players who repeated a grade for academic reasons should be playing 2019!

That makes no sense. Why would they play 2019 when they graduate in 2020?

because they are a year older than a true 2020

How much longer will you imbeciles go round and round? Idiotic.

If they are in the class of 2020, they can play for a 2020 team.

No rules are being broken. Get some new panties.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I call BS on the Crabs only having a few that were not affected by the age cut off. 2020 is full of holdbacks. The team that played at Beach Lax certainly isn't playing in Denver....

Crabs are cheaters - no two ways about it.

I call BS on the fact that you have any idea what you are talking about. There are no "holdbacks" in 7th grade. There are some kids that went to prefirst but only a few of them were born before the 5/1/2001 cutoff. Obviously you have no idea how this works. Kids aren't being held back until they have completed 8th grade.

So wrong. There are kids that "hold backs" early and during middle school. Hold back refers to any grade repeated a second time - not just 8th grade. Perhaps it is you who thinks you know what is going on when all around you something else is happening. Additionally "just a few" is still a few too many. 5/1 was a generous cut off created for Denver to account for some summer birthdays of true non Pre-1st , non holdback kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

The regular team has holdbacks too. Just not 8th grade holdbacks because they have not gotten to 8th grade yet. Some are holdbacks and some were pre-1st but they do not meet the 5/1 cut off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

My point is, kids that repeat grades in elementary school do so for academic reasons based on their test scores when they apply to these schools. I agree that the kids repeating 8th grade are taking advantage of the system. The NPYLL 2020 crabs do not have any kids that repeated a grade for lacrosse reasons. It was wrong what they did at Beach Lax. We'll see what happens in Denver

How is it that so many kids that need to repeat for purely academic reasons prior to 8th grade all end up on the same team? Odd. Very odd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 team that played in NPYLL had holdbacks. I know kids on that team. The crabs 2020 team that played at Beach Lax most certainly had holdbacks - so - actually I do know what I am talking about.

Crabs cheat. Its a fact.

My point is, kids that repeat grades in elementary school do so for academic reasons based on their test scores when they apply to these schools. I agree that the kids repeating 8th grade are taking advantage of the system. The NPYLL 2020 crabs do not have any kids that repeated a grade for lacrosse reasons. It was wrong what they did at Beach Lax. We'll see what happens in Denver

if kids repeat a grade for academic reasons they shouldn't be playing against kids who are a year younger. The NPYLL 2020 players who repeated a grade for academic reasons should be playing 2019!

That makes no sense. Why would they play 2019 when they graduate in 2020?

Because their age dictates their true grade should be 2019. You are okay with a bunch of kids that have been held back for "academic" reasons playing kids a year or in some cases 2 years younger than them? Dangerous and an unfair advantage regardless of what the parents want everyone else to believe their reason for holding back. If it was purely for academic reasons they would play with their original grade on club so as to maintain their sports finesse, remain competitive etc. with kids their own age but instead take the easy way out by playing down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they are in the class of 2020, they can play for a 2020 team.

No rules are being broken. Get some new panties.

Wear some big boy undies and have them play where their age group plays instead of having them play down to try and show their superior skills against kids younger then them. You have manipulated the rule and can not even see what you are doing is wrong on a character level and in terms of sportsmanship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they are in the class of 2020, they can play for a 2020 team.

No rules are being broken. Get some new panties.

"Can" and "should" are two entirely different things but great lesson those boys are being taught. May they never encounter true difficulties in life that daddy can not fix or manipulate for them.

It is truly amazing how many parents allow and encourage their kids to play down, it is absolutely absurd that parents and coaches defend and encourage this.

The idea that kids who failed phonics and were held back can now compete and play against kids a year less mature and physically developed is an embarrassment to your organization and you as a human being!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they are in the class of 2020, they can play for a 2020 team.

No rules are being broken. Get some new panties.

Absolutely, too bad they are not good enough to play on age or play up. Playing down is for the WEAK! Who plays with younger kids and really feels HAPPY about having to play down. Those are some panties I would not want my kid wearing.

There was a reason why the Crabs did not play in the NPYLL in 2014. The reason being - it was age based. Couldn't compete without holdbacks so they opted out. The no rules are being broken in cop out. The spirit of the rules are being broken. When I see those crab teams come out with those giant kids - I just laugh. Its hilarious to see them play the age correct teams. I just don't understand how their parents can permit it to occur.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was a reason why the Crabs did not play in the NPYLL in 2014. The reason being - it was age based. Couldn't compete without holdbacks so they opted out. The no rules are being broken in cop out. The spirit of the rules are being broken. When I see those crab teams come out with those giant kids - I just laugh. Its hilarious to see them play the age correct teams. I just don't understand how their parents can permit it to occur.

If you had any brains, you'd know that the Crabs co-founded the NPYLL. They were dominant when it was age-based and they are dominant now that it's grade based.

Holdbacks and bigger kids are always going to be there - you can't ban them from lacrosse and playing at their grade level. A better solution to even things out would be to give smaller kids the option to play back a grade level like they do in another contact sport -- football. That way a parent who is concerned about their childs safety has a choice of what level his kid plays at rather than being forced to play against bigger kids. It would be very easy to institute some weight guidelines for playbacks at each grade level.

If you can find one former college all American who holds back their son I would be surprised. Every one of these hold backs are from parents who never played the game or played it very poorly!! If I told my friends my son was holding back my former teamates would bust my balls relentasly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks and bigger kids are always going to be there - you can't ban them from lacrosse and playing at their grade level. A better solution to even things out would be to give smaller kids the option to play back a grade level like they do in another contact sport -- football. That way a parent who is concerned about their childs safety has a choice of what level his kid plays at rather than being forced to play against bigger kids. It would be very easy to institute some weight guidelines for playbacks at each grade level.

Why punish the kids who are on age and did not hold back? The ones ruining the sport are the ones manipulating the rules by playing with younger kids. Ridiculous idea to further the agenda of the holdbacks when what they are doing is wrong. Just have the holdbacks play with their own age and with the grade they should be and then nobody has to be forced to play up and nobody is allowed to play down. After all, if they are only holding back for academics then they should have no issue staying with their proper age group club team. Let the schools that create the problem worry about them playing the other holdbacks between. MIAA schools.

Why did the Crabs teams not play NPYLL in 2014? As a founding member - does not make much sense?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks and bigger kids are always going to be there - you can't ban them from lacrosse and playing at their grade level. A better solution to even things out would be to give smaller kids the option to play back a grade level like they do in another contact sport -- football. That way a parent who is concerned about their childs safety has a choice of what level his kid plays at rather than being forced to play against bigger kids. It would be very easy to institute some weight guidelines for playbacks at each grade level.

Dumbest thing I ever read

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was a reason why the Crabs did not play in the NPYLL in 2014. The reason being - it was age based. Couldn't compete without holdbacks so they opted out. The no rules are being broken in cop out. The spirit of the rules are being broken. When I see those crab teams come out with those giant kids - I just laugh. Its hilarious to see them play the age correct teams. I just don't understand how their parents can permit it to occur.

If you had any brains, you'd know that the Crabs co-founded the NPYLL. They were dominant when it was age-based and they are dominant now that it's grade based.

And they consistently play kids 12 - 18 months older than their competition!

Cheating has always been around, they just mastered it and made it an accepted practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks and bigger kids are always going to be there - you can't ban them from lacrosse and playing at their grade level. A better solution to even things out would be to give smaller kids the option to play back a grade level like they do in another contact sport -- football. That way a parent who is concerned about their childs safety has a choice of what level his kid plays at rather than being forced to play against bigger kids. It would be very easy to institute some weight guidelines for playbacks at each grade level.

How about we treat everyone the same - weight guidelines for ALL kids at each grade level - what a novel concept.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks and bigger kids are always going to be there - you can't ban them from lacrosse and playing at their grade level. A better solution to even things out would be to give smaller kids the option to play back a grade level like they do in another contact sport -- football. That way a parent who is concerned about their childs safety has a choice of what level his kid plays at rather than being forced to play against bigger kids. It would be very easy to institute some weight guidelines for playbacks at each grade level.

How about we treat everyone the same - weight guidelines for ALL kids at each grade level - what a novel concept.

Are you going to use what the average kid in that grade should weigh as the range and standard? in which case the effect is the same-the holdbacks will have to play with their original grade. Which is exactly where they belong. You don't make kids playback to adjust for others that are playing down.

What I find so ironic is if you read the comments by some on this board you would be led to believe that there are only 22-25 Baltimore area kids a year recruited for D1 Lacrosse and they are all Crabs players. I would suggest to you narcissistic (holdback) Crabs parents that you take a look at Lax Powers recruiting page.

If your son has D1 talent he will be found. That's what the well established scouting system is for.

Look MD stop feeling so inferior
Bottomine your kids are older it makes a difference and it's ok
The coaches know we know and it's fine just stop defending what is the wY it is LI kids pksyjng vs same birth year beat the MD teams
That's not being nasty it's JUST the Truth. Both regions produce great players
U just do it your way and we do it ours. Stop pretending it's a level field. We are ok with it But yourb7 yr old is as good as ours. BUT your 2025 isn't he's just older. Go to Hopkins HOF most members are from LI

Crabs stinks but does produce verbals. Take a look at the ones that have quit or failed out. Test tubes.

Look L.I. get an education and realize this holdback thing is a small cross section of MD private school kids. Attacking all of MD Lacrosse players happens to show your ignorance. It's ok though because we love to watch you clowns parade up and down the sidelines coaching your little superstar while making the entire tournament about you and not your son. Realize as you do the "village idiot act" on the sidelines we just laugh at you. Priceless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look L.I. get an education and realize this holdback thing is a small cross section of MD private school kids. Attacking all of MD Lacrosse players happens to show your ignorance. It's ok though because we love to watch you clowns parade up and down the sidelines coaching your little superstar while making the entire tournament about you and not your son. Realize as you do the "village idiot act" on the sidelines we just laugh at you. Priceless.

And just like your small cross section of MD, that is a small cross section of LI parents- your post is pretty funny.

Truth hurts doesn't it L.I., don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Truth hurts doesn't it L.I., don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

Um- what is your argument? That not everyone in MD holds back- we know this- just the wealthy- private school kids and not everyone on LI makes the game about their own kid? Where is the disagreement? Although I'd like to talk about some of the lunatic MD parents as well- but I suppose I'd be a lunatic if my kid was benched while older kids played or my older child was losing to a younger team. Such is life, play on! Enjoy the rest of the season.

Who won CrabFeast today, we were eliminated early

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won CrabFeast today, we were eliminated early

FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won CrabFeast today, we were eliminated early

FCA

Thanks, I love how King Crab changed the seedings so Crabs didn't have to play Team 91 in the quartefinals like they should have.

I am sure that FCA beating his vaunted Crab's team in the semi's and winning the 2018 Crab Feast was a worst case scenario for King Crab!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won CrabFeast today, we were eliminated early

FCA

Thanks, I love how King Crab changed the seedings so Crabs didn't have to play Team 91 in the quartefinals like they should have.

Crabs always find ways to cheat and scam the system!

Glad to see the talent is spreading out more in the Baltimore area. Crabs aren't the top dogs anymore at every age level. FCA, Looney's, Hawks all have caught up at various different levels and FCA is in position to pass Crabs!

Crabs parent here. Actually, FCA beat Crabs in double overtime in the semis. Very close game. Crabs congratulated FCA on their championship win over Mesa Fresh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here. Actually, FCA beat Crabs in double overtime in the semis. Very close game. Crabs congratulated FCA on their championship win over Mesa Fresh.

Non Crabs parent here. Most double overtime games are very close, always decided by one goal. Congratulating the winning team, doesn't mean you enjoy it, it just means you did the right thing for once. It still doesn't explain king crab ignoring the rules and changing the seedings to avoid Team 91 on Sunday morning. Crabs should have played Mesa Fresh in the semis, I guess he changed the seedings again. SHOCKER Non Crab Parent signing off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look L.I. get an education and realize this holdback thing is a small cross section of MD private school kids. Attacking all of MD Lacrosse players happens to show your ignorance. It's ok though because we love to watch you clowns parade up and down the sidelines coaching your little superstar while making the entire tournament about you and not your son. Realize as you do the "village idiot act" on the sidelines we just laugh at you. Priceless.

Hard to be proud of Jr. when he is 2 years older than competition. In your heart you know he's an average 10th grader playing against 8th graders. I feel sorry for you MD types...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look L.I. get an education and realize this holdback thing is a small cross section of MD private school kids. Attacking all of MD Lacrosse players happens to show your ignorance. It's ok though because we love to watch you clowns parade up and down the sidelines coaching your little superstar while making the entire tournament about you and not your son. Realize as you do the "village idiot act" on the sidelines we just laugh at you. Priceless.

Hard to be proud of Jr. when he is 2 years older than competition. In your heart you know he's an average 10th grader playing against 8th graders. I feel sorry for you MD types...

So how did T91 lose yesterday at Crabfeast, did Prime Time have an abundance of holdbacks or is there another "reason" for falling short.

I'm sure Ryan McClernan has no angst over a club in his town surpassing Crabs at his tournament. Anyone interested in a land deal in the Florida swamp lands?

[quote=Anonymous]I'm sure Ryan McClernan has no angst over a club in his town surpassing Crabs at his tournament. Anyone interested in a land deal in the Florida swamp lands?

Don't think he's too upset, he's to busy counting you suckers money. Laughing all the way to the bank. My kind of anxiety.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look L.I. get an education and realize this holdback thing is a small cross section of MD private school kids. Attacking all of MD Lacrosse players happens to show your ignorance. It's ok though because we love to watch you clowns parade up and down the sidelines coaching your little superstar while making the entire tournament about you and not your son. Realize as you do the "village idiot act" on the sidelines we just laugh at you. Priceless.

Hard to be proud of Jr. when he is 2 years older than competition. In your heart you know he's an average 10th grader playing against 8th graders. I feel sorry for you MD types...

So how did T91 lose yesterday at Crabfeast, did Prime Time have an abundance of holdbacks or is there another "reason" for falling short.

While I am against holding back for the sake of a sport, I would love to see a true game played with kids the same ages on the field. Wonder what would happen if T91 matched each kid by birthdate with each kid from a holdback team. I think as someone pointed out earlier, once everyone takes advantage of the loop hole, there will be no more advantage. Holdback parents and directors of clubs that promote this, just may find themselves wishing they did not so proudly display their advantage because others might decide to jump on the bandwagon and then what????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look L.I. get an education and realize this holdback thing is a small cross section of MD private school kids. Attacking all of MD Lacrosse players happens to show your ignorance. It's ok though because we love to watch you clowns parade up and down the sidelines coaching your little superstar while making the entire tournament about you and not your son. Realize as you do the "village idiot act" on the sidelines we just laugh at you. Priceless.

Hard to be proud of Jr. when he is 2 years older than competition. In your heart you know he's an average 10th grader playing against 8th graders. I feel sorry for you MD types...

So how did T91 lose yesterday at Crabfeast, did Prime Time have an abundance of holdbacks or is there another "reason" for falling short.

While I am against holding back for the sake of a sport, I would love to see a true game played with kids the same ages on the field. Wonder what would happen if T91 matched each kid by birthdate with each kid from a holdback team. I think as someone pointed out earlier, once everyone takes advantage of the loop hole, there will be no more advantage. Holdback parents and directors of clubs that promote this, just may find themselves wishing they did not so proudly display their advantage because others might decide to jump on the bandwagon and then what????

So are you saying Prime Time has holdbacks, that is why they lost

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look L.I. get an education and realize this holdback thing is a small cross section of MD private school kids. Attacking all of MD Lacrosse players happens to show your ignorance. It's ok though because we love to watch you clowns parade up and down the sidelines coaching your little superstar while making the entire tournament about you and not your son. Realize as you do the "village idiot act" on the sidelines we just laugh at you. Priceless.

Hard to be proud of Jr. when he is 2 years older than competition. In your heart you know he's an average 10th grader playing against 8th graders. I feel sorry for you MD types...

So how did T91 lose yesterday at Crabfeast, did Prime Time have an abundance of holdbacks or is there another "reason" for falling short.

While I am against holding back for the sake of a sport, I would love to see a true game played with kids the same ages on the field. Wonder what would happen if T91 matched each kid by birthdate with each kid from a holdback team. I think as someone pointed out earlier, once everyone takes advantage of the loop hole, there will be no more advantage. Holdback parents and directors of clubs that promote this, just may find themselves wishing they did not so proudly display their advantage because others might decide to jump on the bandwagon and then what????

So are you saying Prime Time has holdbacks, that is why they lost

Actually I have no idea, this is not my sons team. I just suspect holdback teams would be in for a ride if a LI team showed up with players matching their own in birth age. Imagine if Extreme or Turtles played down a year? Some of these older LI players actually fit the bill for MD age cut off and wouldnt even be considered playing down as they woukd be age appropriate. I wouldnt be surprised if things change in a year or two and clubs restructure to become on par with other states, that is if US Lax doesn't institute something first.

And winning isn't really the end all at this age- it's about being recruited. But congrats to all that do take a championship!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look L.I. get an education and realize this holdback thing is a small cross section of MD private school kids. Attacking all of MD Lacrosse players happens to show your ignorance. It's ok though because we love to watch you clowns parade up and down the sidelines coaching your little superstar while making the entire tournament about you and not your son. Realize as you do the "village idiot act" on the sidelines we just laugh at you. Priceless.

PT has no holdbacks that I know of - a good team that had a great day. Does it mean they are better than 91? No, but that day they were.
People have to stop being surprised when certain clubs lose every once in a while. As the kids get older, the talent / size gaps will narrow.

Hard to be proud of Jr. when he is 2 years older than competition. In your heart you know he's an average 10th grader playing against 8th graders. I feel sorry for you MD types...

So how did T91 lose yesterday at Crabfeast, did Prime Time have an abundance of holdbacks or is there another "reason" for falling short.

While I am against holding back for the sake of a sport, I would love to see a true game played with kids the same ages on the field. Wonder what would happen if T91 matched each kid by birthdate with each kid from a holdback team. I think as someone pointed out earlier, once everyone takes advantage of the loop hole, there will be no more advantage. Holdback parents and directors of clubs that promote this, just may find themselves wishing they did not so proudly display their advantage because others might decide to jump on the bandwagon and then what????

So are you saying Prime Time has holdbacks, that is why they lost

In addition to RC gaming the system with holdbacks, tweaking his tournaments to make sure his teams skate through the early games his behavior on the sidelines is sight to be seen. Next time I am at a game I might take a video and set to music. Thoughts on an appropriate song?

Cheater Cheater
Cheatin
Cheating
Everbody's Cheating

A**hole by Dennis Leary

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In addition to RC gaming the system with holdbacks, tweaking his tournaments to make sure his teams skate through the early games his behavior on the sidelines is sight to be seen. Next time I am at a game I might take a video and set to music. Thoughts on an appropriate song?

Cheater Cheater
Cheatin
Cheating
Everbody's Cheating

A**hole by Dennis Leary

Set to Hank Williams " Your Cheating Heart" ...

I can't speak for all Crabs teams but I can tell you the majority of 2019
and 2020 teams are not hold backs. The 2020 team has 23 kids and 5 are hold backs. 3 are impact players. The majority of MD families don't believe in holding back but it's a decision that the parents and kids make. Crabs doesn't encourage or push this. It's been going on through the MD private schools in all sports for years. All high level AA club teams in Maryland have hold backs..FCA, Loonies, Breakers, Hawks, etc. Is it an advantage for some..sure, but good athletes rise too the type despite age. It all equals out in high school. If your not fast at 13..your not going to be much faster by 16. My son has played for Crabs for 2 years as a non hold back and it's been a great experience. They are an extremely organized and professional club that provides excellent coaching to increase lax IQ and teach the boys to master the fundamentals through a proven system. Their are many wonderful and dedicated people associated with Crabs as I'm sure there are with Team 91, Rising Sons, Edge, LI Express, NH Tomahawks, etc. We love playing LI teams and others because they are incredible young lax players that are battle tested. And remember Crabs players compete in football, soccer, basketball, and wrestling as well. We are not a year round, no other sport kind of club and we like it that way. We don't believe that 12 and 13 year olds should specialize. Not a knock on Team 91 but it's a different philosophy. So maybe a couple hold backs actually levels the playing field considering some LI teams have considerably more practice and competitive time. At the end of the day you should visit the Crabs website and scroll to college commits. Those are real top d1 schools, giving real lax scholarships to many Crabs athletes. Do you really think college coaches care if you are 18 or 19 when you graduate. The proof is in the pudding. If your son is a strong laxer he would enjoy playing for Crabs...hold back or not. They are a great Club.

Thanks crabs coaches.

Crabs absolutely encourages holding your kid back. Friends of ours were approached by the Crabs organization to hold their son back next next year. This is a practice they as an organization encourage!

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

I can't speak for all Crabs teams but I can tell you the majority of 2019
and 2020 teams are not hold backs. The 2020 team has 23 kids and 5 are hold backs. 3 are impact players. The majority of MD families don't believe in holding back but it's a decision that the parents and kids make. Crabs doesn't encourage or push this. It's been going on through the MD private schools in all sports for years. All high level AA club teams in Maryland have hold backs..FCA, Loonies, Breakers, Hawks, etc. Is it an advantage for some..sure, but good athletes rise too the type despite age. It all equals out in high school. If your not fast at 13..your not going to be much faster by 16. My son has played for Crabs for 2 years as a non hold back and it's been a great experience. They are an extremely organized and professional club that provides excellent coaching to increase lax IQ and teach the boys to master the fundamentals through a proven system. Their are many wonderful and dedicated people associated with Crabs as I'm sure there are with Team 91, Rising Sons, Edge, LI Express, NH Tomahawks, etc. We love playing LI teams and others because they are incredible young lax players that are battle tested. And remember Crabs players compete in football, soccer, basketball, and wrestling as well. We are not a year round, no other sport kind of club and we like it that way. We don't believe that 12 and 13 year olds should specialize. Not a knock on Team 91 but it's a different philosophy. So maybe a couple hold backs actually levels the playing field considering some LI teams have considerably more practice and competitive time. At the end of the day you should visit the Crabs website and scroll to college commits. Those are real top d1 schools, giving real lax scholarships to many Crabs athletes. Do you really think college coaches care if you are 18 or 19 when you graduate. The proof is in the pudding. If your son is a strong laxer he would enjoy playing for Crabs...hold back or not. They are a great Club.

how many of those d1 lacrosse players started somewhere else and got their fundamentals from other coaches, they do a good job of recruiting players, sometimes on the field right after a game. the list of players that are on the crabs site, i'm sure appear on other web sites as they should if you are trying to market yourself, to come out with low numbers of kids being held back is absurd the numbers are definitely not the two or three everyone in blue and gold proclaim it to be nor are they the 12 or 13 that everyone outside claims also. the number would be somewhere in the middle. the holdbacks are not the issue, changing seeds twice in the middle of your own tournament, loading up a youth team with older players to win a tournament at the beach and then trying to proclaim them as future holdbacks is just blatantly cheating. if they had tryouts and took them to a fall tournament then so be it, what they did was wrong. those kids were on a different team the day before, it's plain and simple wrong..the justification for it is why many people will not agree with your assessment that they are a "great club" I mentioned fundamentals, when you are in a tough spot you rely on your fundamentals to get through, youth and high school summer lacrosse have unfortunately become a business and the crabs like every other club have to keep up. things are tough and you can see the fundamentals the crab leadership is relying on and i certainly know my sons are aware of ways to avoid rules and regulations but do not think it is right to have them follow those examples, one sons plays d3 football, one will play d3, d2 or d1 lacrosse and one will play major d1 lacrosse and they have and will earn it the right way....will buy the good accumalation of talent, not buying the "great club" speech

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

I can't speak for all Crabs teams but I can tell you the majority of 2019
and 2020 teams are not hold backs. The 2020 team has 23 kids and 5 are hold backs. 3 are impact players. The majority of MD families don't believe in holding back but it's a decision that the parents and kids make. Crabs doesn't encourage or push this. It's been going on through the MD private schools in all sports for years. All high level AA club teams in Maryland have hold backs..FCA, Loonies, Breakers, Hawks, etc. Is it an advantage for some..sure, but good athletes rise too the type despite age. It all equals out in high school. If your not fast at 13..your not going to be much faster by 16. My son has played for Crabs for 2 years as a non hold back and it's been a great experience. They are an extremely organized and professional club that provides excellent coaching to increase lax IQ and teach the boys to master the fundamentals through a proven system. Their are many wonderful and dedicated people associated with Crabs as I'm sure there are with Team 91, Rising Sons, Edge, LI Express, NH Tomahawks, etc. We love playing LI teams and others because they are incredible young lax players that are battle tested. And remember Crabs players compete in football, soccer, basketball, and wrestling as well. We are not a year round, no other sport kind of club and we like it that way. We don't believe that 12 and 13 year olds should specialize. Not a knock on Team 91 but it's a different philosophy. So maybe a couple hold backs actually levels the playing field considering some LI teams have considerably more practice and competitive time. At the end of the day you should visit the Crabs website and scroll to college commits. Those are real top d1 schools, giving real lax scholarships to many Crabs athletes. Do you really think college coaches care if you are 18 or 19 when you graduate. The proof is in the pudding. If your son is a strong laxer he would enjoy playing for Crabs...hold back or not. They are a great Club.

Nice reasonable comment but way off base. If you think Ryan doesn't encourage holding your child back, you have never met him or heard him speak on subject. At last years youth tryouts he talked directly about it along with the disadvantage of having a younger child. That was from the horse's mouth!

If what you say is true and 2020 has three impact players on team that is one third of starting players excluding goalie. Got it ONE THIRD. Still leaves two more (according to you) to have a minor impact when subbed out there. Did you even think this reasoning out?

Crabs are gaming the youth system due to knowing that private school kids love to play for them. They get the majority of these holdback/pre-first children along with the public kids with private school aspirations. Very simple concept.

Crabs along with a couple other clubs have soiled YOUTH lacrosse for the majority of teams that play it. This talk about holdbacks will not go away as long as Crabs keep encouraging it at youth level. High School teams have always been grade base as they should be, get your advantage there. YOUTH should be age base. Not that hard to follow except for the select people that want an advantage over others.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

I can't speak for all Crabs teams but I can tell you the majority of 2019
and 2020 teams are not hold backs. The 2020 team has 23 kids and 5 are hold backs. 3 are impact players. The majority of MD families don't believe in holding back but it's a decision that the parents and kids make. Crabs doesn't encourage or push this. It's been going on through the MD private schools in all sports for years. All high level AA club teams in Maryland have hold backs..FCA, Loonies, Breakers, Hawks, etc. Is it an advantage for some..sure, but good athletes rise too the type despite age. It all equals out in high school. If your not fast at 13..your not going to be much faster by 16. My son has played for Crabs for 2 years as a non hold back and it's been a great experience. They are an extremely organized and professional club that provides excellent coaching to increase lax IQ and teach the boys to master the fundamentals through a proven system. Their are many wonderful and dedicated people associated with Crabs as I'm sure there are with Team 91, Rising Sons, Edge, LI Express, NH Tomahawks, etc. We love playing LI teams and others because they are incredible young lax players that are battle tested. And remember Crabs players compete in football, soccer, basketball, and wrestling as well. We are not a year round, no other sport kind of club and we like it that way. We don't believe that 12 and 13 year olds should specialize. Not a knock on Team 91 but it's a different philosophy. So maybe a couple hold backs actually levels the playing field considering some LI teams have considerably more practice and competitive time. At the end of the day you should visit the Crabs website and scroll to college commits. Those are real top d1 schools, giving real lax scholarships to many Crabs athletes. Do you really think college coaches care if you are 18 or 19 when you graduate. The proof is in the pudding. If your son is a strong laxer he would enjoy playing for Crabs...hold back or not. They are a great Club.

So you are okay with your child playing for a team that chests? The crabs 2020 team at the beach had at least 28 players on the team adding to the holdbacks already on the team (which is funny you admit to 5 on the regular team as if it is okay to have any).

Holdbacks level the playing field?!? Besides you admitting you are not a team on par with your own age kids, it is ludicrous to think it is okay. Those other kids worked for their skills and sacrificed. The holdbacks did not-they simply manipulated the system.

This entire paragraph supports what most feel about the Crabs-you will justify what you are doing and twist logic to support cheating and lack of sportsmanship. Pity your kids.

Check your facts-not all good teams have holdbacks. Some coaches and parents have ethics.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

...So maybe a couple hold backs actually levels the playing field considering some LI teams have considerably more practice and competitive time. At the end of the day you should visit the Crabs website and scroll to college commits. Those are real top d1 schools, giving real lax scholarships to many Crabs athletes. Do you really think college coaches care if you are 18 or 19 when you graduate. The proof is in the pudding. If your son is a strong laxer he would enjoy playing for Crabs...hold back or not. They are a great Club.

So it ok to have holdbacks on your team because the other teams work harder!? Most asinine logic I've ever heard. Typical entitled parent thinking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

I can't speak for all Crabs teams but I can tell you the majority of 2019
and 2020 teams are not hold backs. The 2020 team has 23 kids and 5 are hold backs. 3 are impact players. The majority of MD families don't believe in holding back but it's a decision that the parents and kids make. Crabs doesn't encourage or push this. It's been going on through the MD private schools in all sports for years. All high level AA club teams in Maryland have hold backs..FCA, Loonies, Breakers, Hawks, etc. Is it an advantage for some..sure, but good athletes rise too the type despite age. It all equals out in high school. If your not fast at 13..your not going to be much faster by 16. My son has played for Crabs for 2 years as a non hold back and it's been a great experience. They are an extremely organized and professional club that provides excellent coaching to increase lax IQ and teach the boys to master the fundamentals through a proven system. Their are many wonderful and dedicated people associated with Crabs as I'm sure there are with Team 91, Rising Sons, Edge, LI Express, NH Tomahawks, etc. We love playing LI teams and others because they are incredible young lax players that are battle tested. And remember Crabs players compete in football, soccer, basketball, and wrestling as well. We are not a year round, no other sport kind of club and we like it that way. We don't believe that 12 and 13 year olds should specialize. Not a knock on Team 91 but it's a different philosophy. So maybe a couple hold backs actually levels the playing field considering some LI teams have considerably more practice and competitive time. At the end of the day you should visit the Crabs website and scroll to college commits. Those are real top d1 schools, giving real lax scholarships to many Crabs athletes. Do you really think college coaches care if you are 18 or 19 when you graduate. The proof is in the pudding. If your son is a strong laxer he would enjoy playing for Crabs...hold back or not. They are a great Club.

Nice reasonable comment but way off base. If you think Ryan doesn't encourage holding your child back, you have never met him or heard him speak on subject. At last years youth tryouts he talked directly about it along with the disadvantage of having a younger child. That was from the horse's mouth!

If what you say is true and 2020 has three impact players on team that is one third of starting players excluding goalie. Got it ONE THIRD. Still leaves two more (according to you) to have a minor impact when subbed out there. Did you even think this reasoning out?

Crabs are gaming the youth system due to knowing that private school kids love to play for them. They get the majority of these holdback/pre-first children along with the public kids with private school aspirations. Very simple concept.

Crabs along with a couple other clubs have soiled YOUTH lacrosse for the majority of teams that play it. This talk about holdbacks will not go away as long as Crabs keep encouraging it at youth level. High School teams have always been grade base as they should be, get your advantage there. YOUTH should be age base. Not that hard to follow except for the select people that want an advantage over others.

Well said!

Not a Crab Coach and realize it's year to year with Crabs. They r competitive. They have never approached anyone in our circles but maybe certain kids they do. Good luck to Crabs 2020 players and families this weekend at World Series of Lacrosse in Denver. 4 wins away from being on ESPN2 live at 3PM Saturday playing in front of 30,000 lax fans. What a cool event. And to 2019s at Young Gunz..go get em boys.

By the logic above....all age appropriate kids that play for Crabs (many r more impact players then the hold backs), Loonies, Breakers, etc are cheaters and ruining the youth lacrosse experience for others. Wow...you people would die if your son wrestled. Many tournaments are straight weight...no age groups. Meaning a 10 year old can wrestle a 14 year old if they weigh the same. In Age group tournaments there can still be a 2 year gap. Toughen up a bit...your raising a bunch of excuse seekers. Summer Club teams are consistently different then Spring League teams and adding kids from different areas. Where have you been. Loonies 2020 has a FOGO from Florida. Breakers has 5-6 hold backs..FCA has same amount of hold backs. Go high jack there forum and tell them how they r ruining little Johnies lax experience because they are 13 and how they have to compete against a 14 year old.....imagine the horror.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

By the logic above....all age appropriate kids that play for Crabs (many r more impact players then the hold backs), Loonies, Breakers, etc are cheaters and ruining the youth lacrosse experience for others. Wow...you people would die if your son wrestled. Many tournaments are straight weight...no age groups. Meaning a 10 year old can wrestle a 14 year old if they weigh the same. In Age group tournaments there can still be a 2 year gap. Toughen up a bit...your raising a bunch of excuse seekers. Summer Club teams are consistently different then Spring League teams and adding kids from different areas. Where have you been. Loonies 2020 has a FOGO from Florida. Breakers has 5-6 hold backs..FCA has same amount of hold backs. Go high jack there forum and tell them how they r ruining little Johnies lax experience because they are 13 and how they have to compete against a 14 year old.....imagine the horror.

You are so off base. Who care if Loonies has a fogo from Florida-he is age appropriate. The other teams you mention do not have the holdbacks you claim-again a Crabs parent just trying to deflect and bring others down into the dirt with them. In fact both teams have a significant number of public school kids who are unable to hold back and have no pre first. Wrestling is by weight - which is exactly the point-so you do not have the size differentials that are happening with your holdbacks playing with age appropriate kids. Crabs parents should really be forced to listen to themselves and their litany of justifications for their manipulative ways.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

By the logic above....all age appropriate kids that play for Crabs (many r more impact players then the hold backs), Loonies, Breakers, etc are cheaters and ruining the youth lacrosse experience for others. Wow...you people would die if your son wrestled. Many tournaments are straight weight...no age groups. Meaning a 10 year old can wrestle a 14 year old if they weigh the same. In Age group tournaments there can still be a 2 year gap. Toughen up a bit...your raising a bunch of excuse seekers. Summer Club teams are consistently different then Spring League teams and adding kids from different areas. Where have you been. Loonies 2020 has a FOGO from Florida. Breakers has 5-6 hold backs..FCA has same amount of hold backs. Go high jack there forum and tell them how they r ruining little Johnies lax experience because they are 13 and how they have to compete against a 14 year old.....imagine the horror.

Kids of different ages and same weight wrestling each other - I think most people would be ok with that, find a better example.

In age based tournaments, the A division is typically filled with the older teams and the B division the younger ones. Many tournaments provide this guidance. In the absence of something better people need use these guidelines and hope that others follow as well, which is not always the case.

Don't know about holdbacks on FCA or Breakers, just know that I have never seen them bring in 5 older kids from an older team just to win a tournament. If the Looneys "FLOGO" is age appropriate who cares where he lives?

So...you believe that Loonies, Breakers, FCA don't have hold backs. It's a fact, we know who they are. You keep telling yourself it's a Crabs thing if it makes you feel better.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

So...you believe that Loonies, Breakers, FCA don't have hold backs. It's a fact, we know who they are. You keep telling yourself it's a Crabs thing if it makes you feel better.

I don't know if they do or they don't. I do believe that those clubs do not encourage and pursue holdbacks as a way to make their teams more competitive and I know for a fact that many/most of the parents feel the same way about holdbacks as those who complain here, since I am one of those parents.

"In age based tournaments, the A division is typically filled with the older teams and the B division the younger ones. Many tournaments provide this guidance. In the absence of something better people need use these guidelines and hope that others follow as well, which is not always the case."

I agree with this. In some tournaments A is AA and B is A with correct age kids. Your club needs to manage the correct level and not get caught up in the A or B level. Now AA teams will drop to B to win. That is not good as well but should be a hollow victory for the club. I know, logic and reason has no place on this blog.

Crabs game the system - the stunt they pulled at Beach Lax proves it. I hope they get their clocks cleaned on National TV by 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs game the system - the stunt they pulled at Beach Lax proves it. I hope they get their clocks cleaned on National TV by 91.

I think there is a very high probability of that.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

So...you believe that Loonies, Breakers, FCA don't have hold backs. It's a fact, we know who they are. You keep telling yourself it's a Crabs thing if it makes you feel better.

okay crabbiedad, not discussing holdbacks.....explain cheating to win beach lax.....explain flip-flopping the crabs seed back and forth last weekend.....explain how when the weakest crab washes up on shore, king crab is never heard from again.....explain how they have the best coaches, when a majority of their kids are not local crabs but the ones you get out of the gulf.....explain the pompous arrogance by parents and coaches, with those advantages that you so proudly boast of, you should be beating all teams quite handily, maybe the coaching isn't so great after all.....i have coached lacrosse at various levels for over thirty seasons and the crabs are the blueprint for what is wrong with youth lacrosse, if you don't believe me just take a look at madlax, cabell modeled himself after pretzel boy, what a great role model he is.....have you ever watched pretzel boy on the sidelines, quite an embarrassing sight.....humility would go along way in pleading your case for the royal blue and yellow

Please check out the Instagram account LACROSSEPOPO. Someone has clearly tired of the Crabs antics. Hilarious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please check out the Instagram account LACROSSEPOPO. Someone has clearly tired of the Crabs antics. Hilarious

What's hilarious is the players in the pictures they have posted are all on age. While obviously there are holdbacks on Crabs, the huge kids that they chose to post are not holdbacks.

And why is it ok for them to post pictures of minors without their consent?

That's not true, one is definitely a hold back. He plays his correct grade but he was held back and age wise should play 2019

The whole "holdbacks cheating" argument is ridiculous. First of all, whether you have the $$ to burn or not, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to drop an additional $25-$50K for an extra year of school so your son can get bigger/stronger/faster and play against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D1 offer and a $5K a year scholarship if he's lucky.

However, with that said, no one is "cheating", like it or not. It's simple - if the league/club is GRADE-BASED (grad year 2020, 2019, etc.), and the players on that team are ACTUALLY GRADUATING IN THAT GRAD YEAR, it is what it is - whether they are 14 or 24. Does it suck? Absolutely! Is it fair? No, not really, but neither are a lot of other things in life, unfortunately. When my son, who's already big for his age, steps on the field and there is a 6'3" 13 year old out there with a beard, I just tell him "play your hardest - it will make you better against kids your own age". Fact is, though, even though it's ridiculous to hold kids back, they're not cheating if they are using kids of that grad year, no matter how old they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole "holdbacks cheating" argument is ridiculous. First of all, whether you have the $$ to burn or not, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to drop an additional $25-$50K for an extra year of school so your son can get bigger/stronger/faster and play against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D1 offer and a $5K a year scholarship if he's lucky.

However, with that said, no one is "cheating", like it or not. It's simple - if the league/club is GRADE-BASED (grad year 2020, 2019, etc.), and the players on that team are ACTUALLY GRADUATING IN THAT GRAD YEAR, it is what it is - whether they are 14 or 24. Does it suck? Absolutely! Is it fair? No, not really, but neither are a lot of other things in life, unfortunately. When my son, who's already big for his age, steps on the field and there is a 6'3" 13 year old out there with a beard, I just tell him "play your hardest - it will make you better against kids your own age". Fact is, though, even though it's ridiculous to hold kids back, they're not cheating if they are using kids of that grad year, no matter how old they are.

it's cheating!

The Crabs have no integrity, they want your money and play older more physically mature kids on the field to brag about being the best and collect the money from parents who drink the cool aid. The Crabs organization approaches parents and asks them to hold their kids back and re-class the kids in the younger graduation year, that is cheating!

So many parents claim they don't mind their child playing against older more mature kids without thinking about possible consequences. Concussions will start happening and kids will be out of sports for a few months recovering, bank on it! Injuries will start piling up due to this practice, it needs to cease immediately.

Breaking the rules? No. Manipulating the system - absolutely. Crabs are no better than FCA, Breakers, Hawks etc. without holdbacks. In fact they barely squeak by them with Holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole "holdbacks cheating" argument is ridiculous. First of all, whether you have the $$ to burn or not, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to drop an additional $25-$50K for an extra year of school so your son can get bigger/stronger/faster and play against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D1 offer and a $5K a year scholarship if he's lucky.

However, with that said, no one is "cheating", like it or not. It's simple - if the league/club is GRADE-BASED (grad year 2020, 2019, etc.), and the players on that team are ACTUALLY GRADUATING IN THAT GRAD YEAR, it is what it is - whether they are 14 or 24. Does it suck? Absolutely! Is it fair? No, not really, but neither are a lot of other things in life, unfortunately. When my son, who's already big for his age, steps on the field and there is a 6'3" 13 year old out there with a beard, I just tell him "play your hardest - it will make you better against kids your own age". Fact is, though, even though it's ridiculous to hold kids back, they're not cheating if they are using kids of that grad year, no matter how old they are.

Perhaps, but when the tournament rules say "placement on a grade-based team is dictated by the highest grade of any player on that team" and the team enters eighth-grade kids in the seventh grade age group, that is cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole "holdbacks cheating" argument is ridiculous. First of all, whether you have the $$ to burn or not, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to drop an additional $25-$50K for an extra year of school so your son can get bigger/stronger/faster and play against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D1 offer and a $5K a year scholarship if he's lucky.

However, with that said, no one is "cheating", like it or not. It's simple - if the league/club is GRADE-BASED (grad year 2020, 2019, etc.), and the players on that team are ACTUALLY GRADUATING IN THAT GRAD YEAR, it is what it is - whether they are 14 or 24. Does it suck? Absolutely! Is it fair? No, not really, but neither are a lot of other things in life, unfortunately. When my son, who's already big for his age, steps on the field and there is a 6'3" 13 year old out there with a beard, I just tell him "play your hardest - it will make you better against kids your own age". Fact is, though, even though it's ridiculous to hold kids back, they're not cheating if they are using kids of that grad year, no matter how old they are.

Perhaps, but when the tournament rules say "placement on a grade-based team is dictated by the highest grade of any player on that team" and the team enters eighth-grade kids in the seventh grade age group, that is cheating.

Absolutely true - grade-based teams HAVE TO BE grade-based, but unfortunately not age based. Playing an 8th grader, who is enrolled in school in the 8th grade, on a 7th grade grad year team, is cheating and the team should immediately forfeit. That's not what everyone is talking about in these forums though (BTW - there is a holdback thread in every single place in this forum, not just Crabs). What most people are saying here is that "Crabs/Looneys/MadLax/FCA (you fill in the blank) are cheating because they have kids on the 2021/2020/2019/2018 team who are old enough to be in the next grade up but were held back in school so they can play with younger/smaller kids and excel". There is no question that is happening - everywhere. There is no question that it is encouraged by several clubs - it definitely is no matter what everyone says. It's just simply not cheating as a violation of the rules when you're playing with grade-based teams. I think it's complete BS, personally, and I love nothing more than when I see my son's team beat one of those cheating teams with four 6'3" 15 year old 2020 starters in a Braveheart (you know who you are - LOL) despite their best efforts to game the system. Unfortunately, though, even though they'll be driving themselves to practice in 8th grade, they are on the LEGALLY CORRECT GRADE BASED team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breaking the rules? No. Manipulating the system - absolutely. Crabs are no better than FCA, Breakers, Hawks etc. without holdbacks. In fact they barely squeak by them with Holdbacks.

Agree completely - I would have no idea how any of these teams would be without holdbacks, because I've never seen it, and likely never will. It is a 100% manipulation of the system, and it's complete BS. I'd love to see my 13 year old son play against all 13 year olds, because I personally think he'd kick their a**es, but unfortunately I'm not sure when that will ever happen (maybe back when he was 11 - LOL).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole "holdbacks cheating" argument is ridiculous. First of all, whether you have the $$ to burn or not, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to drop an additional $25-$50K for an extra year of school so your son can get bigger/stronger/faster and play against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D1 offer and a $5K a year scholarship if he's lucky.

However, with that said, no one is "cheating", like it or not. It's simple - if the league/club is GRADE-BASED (grad year 2020, 2019, etc.), and the players on that team are ACTUALLY GRADUATING IN THAT GRAD YEAR, it is what it is - whether they are 14 or 24. Does it suck? Absolutely! Is it fair? No, not really, but neither are a lot of other things in life, unfortunately. When my son, who's already big for his age, steps on the field and there is a 6'3" 13 year old out there with a beard, I just tell him "play your hardest - it will make you better against kids your own age". Fact is, though, even though it's ridiculous to hold kids back, they're not cheating if they are using kids of that grad year, no matter how old they are.

Perhaps, but when the tournament rules say "placement on a grade-based team is dictated by the highest grade of any player on that team" and the team enters eighth-grade kids in the seventh grade age group, that is cheating.

Absolutely true - grade-based teams HAVE TO BE grade-based, but unfortunately not age based. Playing an 8th grader, who is enrolled in school in the 8th grade, on a 7th grade grad year team, is cheating and the team should immediately forfeit. That's not what everyone is talking about in these forums though (BTW - there is a holdback thread in every single place in this forum, not just Crabs). What most people are saying here is that "Crabs/Looneys/MadLax/FCA (you fill in the blank) are cheating because they have kids on the 2021/2020/2019/2018 team who are old enough to be in the next grade up but were held back in school so they can play with younger/smaller kids and excel". There is no question that is happening - everywhere. There is no question that it is encouraged by several clubs - it definitely is no matter what everyone says. It's just simply not cheating as a violation of the rules when you're playing with grade-based teams. I think it's complete BS, personally, and I love nothing more than when I see my son's team beat one of those cheating teams with four 6'3" 15 year old 2020 starters in a Braveheart (you know who you are - LOL) despite their best efforts to game the system. Unfortunately, though, even though they'll be driving themselves to practice in 8th grade, they are on the LEGALLY CORRECT GRADE BASED team.

Understood, I've been here for months now so I appreciate the difference. So basically, they have poor character and they cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole "holdbacks cheating" argument is ridiculous. First of all, whether you have the $$ to burn or not, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to drop an additional $25-$50K for an extra year of school so your son can get bigger/stronger/faster and play against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D1 offer and a $5K a year scholarship if he's lucky.

However, with that said, no one is "cheating", like it or not. It's simple - if the league/club is GRADE-BASED (grad year 2020, 2019, etc.), and the players on that team are ACTUALLY GRADUATING IN THAT GRAD YEAR, it is what it is - whether they are 14 or 24. Does it suck? Absolutely! Is it fair? No, not really, but neither are a lot of other things in life, unfortunately. When my son, who's already big for his age, steps on the field and there is a 6'3" 13 year old out there with a beard, I just tell him "play your hardest - it will make you better against kids your own age". Fact is, though, even though it's ridiculous to hold kids back, they're not cheating if they are using kids of that grad year, no matter how old they are.

Perhaps, but when the tournament rules say "placement on a grade-based team is dictated by the highest grade of any player on that team" and the team enters eighth-grade kids in the seventh grade age group, that is cheating.

Absolutely true - grade-based teams HAVE TO BE grade-based, but unfortunately not age based. Playing an 8th grader, who is enrolled in school in the 8th grade, on a 7th grade grad year team, is cheating and the team should immediately forfeit. That's not what everyone is talking about in these forums though (BTW - there is a holdback thread in every single place in this forum, not just Crabs). What most people are saying here is that "Crabs/Looneys/MadLax/FCA (you fill in the blank) are cheating because they have kids on the 2021/2020/2019/2018 team who are old enough to be in the next grade up but were held back in school so they can play with younger/smaller kids and excel". There is no question that is happening - everywhere. There is no question that it is encouraged by several clubs - it definitely is no matter what everyone says. It's just simply not cheating as a violation of the rules when you're playing with grade-based teams. I think it's complete BS, personally, and I love nothing more than when I see my son's team beat one of those cheating teams with four 6'3" 15 year old 2020 starters in a Braveheart (you know who you are - LOL) despite their best efforts to game the system. Unfortunately, though, even though they'll be driving themselves to practice in 8th grade, they are on the LEGALLY CORRECT GRADE BASED team.

Understood, I've been here for months now so I appreciate the difference. So basically, they have poor character and they cheat.

Absolutely - and it doesn't look like it will be stopping anytime soon unless the private schools stop taking the $, which I can't ever see happening!

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

By the logic above....all age appropriate kids that play for Crabs (many r more impact players then the hold backs), Loonies, Breakers, etc are cheaters and ruining the youth lacrosse experience for others. Wow...you people would die if your son wrestled. Many tournaments are straight weight...no age groups. Meaning a 10 year old can wrestle a 14 year old if they weigh the same. In Age group tournaments there can still be a 2 year gap. Toughen up a bit...your raising a bunch of excuse seekers. Summer Club teams are consistently different then Spring League teams and adding kids from different areas. Where have you been. Loonies 2020 has a FOGO from Florida. Breakers has 5-6 hold backs..FCA has same amount of hold backs. Go high jack there forum and tell them how they r ruining little Johnies lax experience because they are 13 and how they have to compete against a 14 year old.....imagine the horror.

One of the dumber reasoning for allowing kids to play down. Once again a Crab excuse that explains to the rest of us why you think you are entitled to special privileges. Bet you would be singing a different song if Crabs teams had to play at their proper age due a few holdbacks..You are to funny Crabbiedad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole "holdbacks cheating" argument is ridiculous. First of all, whether you have the $$ to burn or not, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to drop an additional $25-$50K for an extra year of school so your son can get bigger/stronger/faster and play against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D1 offer and a $5K a year scholarship if he's lucky.

However, with that said, no one is "cheating", like it or not. It's simple - if the league/club is GRADE-BASED (grad year 2020, 2019, etc.), and the players on that team are ACTUALLY GRADUATING IN THAT GRAD YEAR, it is what it is - whether they are 14 or 24. Does it suck? Absolutely! Is it fair? No, not really, but neither are a lot of other things in life, unfortunately. When my son, who's already big for his age, steps on the field and there is a 6'3" 13 year old out there with a beard, I just tell him "play your hardest - it will make you better against kids your own age". Fact is, though, even though it's ridiculous to hold kids back, they're not cheating if they are using kids of that grad year, no matter how old they are.

Not ridiculous at all. People are tired of youth sports being ruined by a few clubs. Crabs are one of the worst offenders. Most people value character and ethics above gaming the system for an advantage over others for a select few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole "holdbacks cheating" argument is ridiculous. First of all, whether you have the $$ to burn or not, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to drop an additional $25-$50K for an extra year of school so your son can get bigger/stronger/faster and play against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D1 offer and a $5K a year scholarship if he's lucky.

However, with that said, no one is "cheating", like it or not. It's simple - if the league/club is GRADE-BASED (grad year 2020, 2019, etc.), and the players on that team are ACTUALLY GRADUATING IN THAT GRAD YEAR, it is what it is - whether they are 14 or 24. Does it suck? Absolutely! Is it fair? No, not really, but neither are a lot of other things in life, unfortunately. When my son, who's already big for his age, steps on the field and there is a 6'3" 13 year old out there with a beard, I just tell him "play your hardest - it will make you better against kids your own age". Fact is, though, even though it's ridiculous to hold kids back, they're not cheating if they are using kids of that grad year, no matter how old they are.

Perhaps, but when the tournament rules say "placement on a grade-based team is dictated by the highest grade of any player on that team" and the team enters eighth-grade kids in the seventh grade age group, that is cheating.

Absolutely true - grade-based teams HAVE TO BE grade-based, but unfortunately not age based. Playing an 8th grader, who is enrolled in school in the 8th grade, on a 7th grade grad year team, is cheating and the team should immediately forfeit. That's not what everyone is talking about in these forums though (BTW - there is a holdback thread in every single place in this forum, not just Crabs). What most people are saying here is that "Crabs/Looneys/MadLax/FCA (you fill in the blank) are cheating because they have kids on the 2021/2020/2019/2018 team who are old enough to be in the next grade up but were held back in school so they can play with younger/smaller kids and excel". There is no question that is happening - everywhere. There is no question that it is encouraged by several clubs - it definitely is no matter what everyone says. It's just simply not cheating as a violation of the rules when you're playing with grade-based teams. I think it's complete BS, personally, and I love nothing more than when I see my son's team beat one of those cheating teams with four 6'3" 15 year old 2020 starters in a Braveheart (you know who you are - LOL) despite their best efforts to game the system. Unfortunately, though, even though they'll be driving themselves to practice in 8th grade, they are on the LEGALLY CORRECT GRADE BASED team.

how about when the Crabs approached parents and asking them to keep the child back a year? is that cheating?

T91 just beat a team 30 to 0 in Denver. Crabs won by 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The whole "holdbacks cheating" argument is ridiculous. First of all, whether you have the $$ to burn or not, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to drop an additional $25-$50K for an extra year of school so your son can get bigger/stronger/faster and play against younger kids to look better and hopefully get a D1 offer and a $5K a year scholarship if he's lucky.

However, with that said, no one is "cheating", like it or not. It's simple - if the league/club is GRADE-BASED (grad year 2020, 2019, etc.), and the players on that team are ACTUALLY GRADUATING IN THAT GRAD YEAR, it is what it is - whether they are 14 or 24. Does it suck? Absolutely! Is it fair? No, not really, but neither are a lot of other things in life, unfortunately. When my son, who's already big for his age, steps on the field and there is a 6'3" 13 year old out there with a beard, I just tell him "play your hardest - it will make you better against kids your own age". Fact is, though, even though it's ridiculous to hold kids back, they're not cheating if they are using kids of that grad year, no matter how old they are.

Perhaps, but when the tournament rules say "placement on a grade-based team is dictated by the highest grade of any player on that team" and the team enters eighth-grade kids in the seventh grade age group, that is cheating.

Absolutely true - grade-based teams HAVE TO BE grade-based, but unfortunately not age based. Playing an 8th grader, who is enrolled in school in the 8th grade, on a 7th grade grad year team, is cheating and the team should immediately forfeit. That's not what everyone is talking about in these forums though (BTW - there is a holdback thread in every single place in this forum, not just Crabs). What most people are saying here is that "Crabs/Looneys/MadLax/FCA (you fill in the blank) are cheating because they have kids on the 2021/2020/2019/2018 team who are old enough to be in the next grade up but were held back in school so they can play with younger/smaller kids and excel". There is no question that is happening - everywhere. There is no question that it is encouraged by several clubs - it definitely is no matter what everyone says. It's just simply not cheating as a violation of the rules when you're playing with grade-based teams. I think it's complete BS, personally, and I love nothing more than when I see my son's team beat one of those cheating teams with four 6'3" 15 year old 2020 starters in a Braveheart (you know who you are - LOL) despite their best efforts to game the system. Unfortunately, though, even though they'll be driving themselves to practice in 8th grade, they are on the LEGALLY CORRECT GRADE BASED team.

how about when the Crabs approached parents and asking them to keep the child back a year? is that cheating?

It's ridiculous, unethical, and in my opinion you are cheating the system and your kids, but unfortunately it is within the grade-based rules as they are defined, so it's not illegal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

T91 just beat a team 30 to 0 in Denver. Crabs won by 2.

Lucky for crabs that none of their impact players are holdbacks!

Crush-Sons game should be a better barometer of what to expect, would expect this non hold back Crabs team to be on par with them.

I don't think crabs will get within 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

T91 just beat a team 30 to 0 in Denver. Crabs won by 2.

Not defending Crabs, but the team T91 beat was C2C Dallas - they're not exactly a lax powerhouse...

Team 91 Crush is head and shoulders best club team at any age group and has been for years. We will struggle with them as any team would. They are well coached and have incredible speed. We love to watch them play. Did you see that Crabs 2017 beat Tenacious Turtles in Crabfeast Tourney. Also FCA 2018 Team is arguably best team in country and won Crabfeast. Probably the holdbacks on both teams that makes them so good. Nah...just highly skilled and well coached. Both Teams have age appropriate and holdbacks.

Your arguments are heart felt and completely emotional but you've convinced me that I should take my age appropriate kid to a more ethical club. We live in greater Baltimore area as do most Crabs players so where should we go. Hmmm..I was thinking Loonies..shoot they have holdbacks, maybe FCA...darn it, they have hold backs, ok..Breakers or the new Team 91...that won't work either because they have holdbacks and my son is big into football so Team 91 doesn't work because of the all year round commitment. Which leads to incredible 13 year old lax players but question if they still feel the same about the game when they r 18.
Hope to see you guys at Crabs tryouts. 125 kids tried out for 2019 team last year so should be plenty of opportunities for age appropriate kids.

When U.S. Lacrosse puts rule in that eliminates holdbacks(which they won't)...Crabs will still be top team because they attract competitive players....period.

Keep whining though. It's great material to numb the brain when we are bored.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

T91 just beat a team 30 to 0 in Denver. Crabs won by 2.

Unless they played the same team, which they didn't, what does that mean?

T91 we are very impressed that you are able to embarrass a team by 30. Just confirmed what you LI people are.......

Poster above - the crabs are the perfect team for you. Please send your child to play for them. You will fit right in.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

Team 91 Crush is head and shoulders best club team at any age group and has been for years. We will struggle with them as any team would. They are well coached and have incredible speed. We love to watch them play. Did you see that Crabs 2017 beat Tenacious Turtles in Crabfeast Tourney. Also FCA 2018 Team is arguably best team in country and won Crabfeast. Probably the holdbacks on both teams that makes them so good. Nah...just highly skilled and well coached. Both Teams have age appropriate and holdbacks.

Your arguments are heart felt and completely emotional but you've convinced me that I should take my age appropriate kid to a more ethical club. We live in greater Baltimore area as do most Crabs players so where should we go. Hmmm..I was thinking Loonies..shoot they have holdbacks, maybe FCA...darn it, they have hold backs, ok..Breakers or the new Team 91...that won't work either because they have holdbacks and my son is big into football so Team 91 doesn't work because of the all year round commitment. Which leads to incredible 13 year old lax players but question if they still feel the same about the game when they r 18.
Hope to see you guys at Crabs tryouts. 125 kids tried out for 2019 team last year so should be plenty of opportunities for age appropriate kids.

When U.S. Lacrosse puts rule in that eliminates holdbacks(which they won't)...Crabs will still be top team because they attract competitive players....period.

Keep whining though. It's great material to numb the brain when we are bored.

Gotta love the holdback parents...keep fooling yourself. Crabs lack ethics and the ability to win with on age players.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

Team 91 Crush is head and shoulders best club team at any age group and has been for years. We will struggle with them as any team would. They are well coached and have incredible speed. We love to watch them play. Did you see that Crabs 2017 beat Tenacious Turtles in Crabfeast Tourney. Also FCA 2018 Team is arguably best team in country and won Crabfeast. Probably the holdbacks on both teams that makes them so good. Nah...just highly skilled and well coached. Both Teams have age appropriate and holdbacks.

Your arguments are heart felt and completely emotional but you've convinced me that I should take my age appropriate kid to a more ethical club. We live in greater Baltimore area as do most Crabs players so where should we go. Hmmm..I was thinking Loonies..shoot they have holdbacks, maybe FCA...darn it, they have hold backs, ok..Breakers or the new Team 91...that won't work either because they have holdbacks and my son is big into football so Team 91 doesn't work because of the all year round commitment. Which leads to incredible 13 year old lax players but question if they still feel the same about the game when they r 18.
Hope to see you guys at Crabs tryouts. 125 kids tried out for 2019 team last year so should be plenty of opportunities for age appropriate kids.

When U.S. Lacrosse puts rule in that eliminates holdbacks(which they won't)...Crabs will still be top team because they attract competitive players....period.

Keep whining though. It's great material to numb the brain when we are bored.

You will see on Saturday with the crabs are like without holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

So...you believe that Loonies, Breakers, FCA don't have hold backs. It's a fact, we know who they are. You keep telling yourself it's a Crabs thing if it makes you feel better.

okay crabbiedad, not discussing holdbacks.....explain cheating to win beach lax.....explain flip-flopping the crabs seed back and forth last weekend.....explain how when the weakest crab washes up on shore, king crab is never heard from again.....explain how they have the best coaches, when a majority of their kids are not local crabs but the ones you get out of the gulf.....explain the pompous arrogance by parents and coaches, with those advantages that you so proudly boast of, you should be beating all teams quite handily, maybe the coaching isn't so great after all.....i have coached lacrosse at various levels for over thirty seasons and the crabs are the blueprint for what is wrong with youth lacrosse, if you don't believe me just take a look at madlax, cabell modeled himself after pretzel boy, what a great role model he is.....have you ever watched pretzel boy on the sidelines, quite an embarrassing sight.....humility would go along way in pleading your case for the royal blue and yellow

find it a little amusing that crabbiedad won't answer the questions above, just keeps referring to holdbacks which are not in any of these questions.....would love to hear his take on these non holdback questions of the "Great Club"

We live in greater Baltimore area as do most Crabs players so where should we go.

most live in baltimore, but not your top goalie, top defenseman or top attackmen

Keep whining though. It's great material to numb the brain when we are bored.

this comment is exactly why people don't like the "great club", you bend the rules, you cheat, you manipulate a system and you are so anonymous and arrogant about it

So T91 daddy.......you think racking up a score of 30-0 is ethically ok?? What a bunch of hypocrites!! Don't you preach ethics on this board all day. We're all VERY impressed with YOUR ethics. Talk about no integrity. Total clowns.

what is it like to be a part of the "great club" sitting around waiting for some else to screw up on the news cycle, so you can shift the focus away from your tainted club for a few brief minutes. gotta be a lot of pressure, maybe i'll get a bite to eat

I'm not a crush parent or fan but happy to wager just about anything they beat crabs (assuming crabs make it)

While you eat your crow look in the mirror as you do it there captain ethics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While you eat your crow look in the mirror as you do it there captain ethics.

That doesn't even make sense

The venom is amazing when you think we are talking about kids lax. Someone asked me questions early to answer and unfortunately I'm just the dad of a age appropriate Crab player and not privy to some of the information you seek. The added kids at beachlax played with us in some events last summer as well. including when we lost to Team 91 last year. They are holdback 7th graders and will be on the 2020 Crabs team next year as well. In my time in club lacrosse I've seen different kids added to teams all the time. The original purpose of club was to set events that put the best kids against each other. As for switching seeds....I don't follow u and it's hard to argue one side of bracket is easier then other in a lot of these tournaments because their are so many close games. Most of our kids are from Gilman, BL and sorruounding counties. No different the other AA club teams. As for pompous and arrogant parents...well what can I say. ...I'm better then you and everyone knows it. Like I said before you can hate on Crabs because of a few or you can appreciate the hard work of many good people that have helped many young lacrosse players reach their goals.

I'm confused about another comment...r we upset about kids age or their size and weight. Because we have many big 13 year olds on our team. Are they cheaters too because they are just really big for their age. My son is 13 and has been shaving for a year...is he a cheater. Sillingness...if your kid is small and you and he decide to play a contact sport then that as a decision you make and isn't the fault of " big kids ".

NEWSFLASH from Denver Youth World Championships. After all games were over the event hosted all teams to compete against each other in athletic and lacrosse competitions. All these kids had to submit birth certificates and IDs to be there. Crabs beats Team 91 again in 3 of 3 events.

40 yard dash - 3 fastest times go to 3 Crabs middies. ( we must have cheated somehow)

Hardest Shot - 93 mph by Crabs attackman. ( speed gun was rigged by King Crab)

Most accurate shot - won by another club but next best was Crabs attackman. ( ha..knew Crabs kids couldn't win everything)

Are you getting point yet Crab haters. These kids are all same age and we have great athletes. Does this mean we beat Team 91 This week. Who knows. But what it means is when you have good athletes at any age they will learn the game and be successful.

Team 91 parents and coaches so upset that the precious Crush loses again that they burst into antics about how old r kids are. Even at an age appropriate event with birth certificates. Are you kidding me. Talk about arrogance.

If we beat Team 91 on Saturday I expect a fruit basket and apology sent to BL with a full sheet of paper that says I love Crabs Lacrosse.

You won't beat Team 91 without your cheater holdback players. Looking forward to the beating on national television.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

NEWSFLASH from Denver Youth World Championships. After all games were over the event hosted all teams to compete against each other in athletic and lacrosse competitions. All these kids had to submit birth certificates and IDs to be there. Crabs beats Team 91 again in 3 of 3 events.

40 yard dash - 3 fastest times go to 3 Crabs middies. ( we must have cheated somehow)

Hardest Shot - 93 mph by Crabs attackman. ( speed gun was rigged by King Crab)

Most accurate shot - won by another club but next best was Crabs attackman. ( ha..knew Crabs kids couldn't win everything)

Are you getting point yet Crab haters. These kids are all same age and we have great athletes. Does this mean we beat Team 91 This week. Who knows. But what it means is when you have good athletes at any age they will learn the game and be successful.

Team 91 parents and coaches so upset that the precious Crush loses again that they burst into antics about how old r kids are. Even at an age appropriate event with birth certificates. Are you kidding me. Talk about arrogance.

If we beat Team 91 on Saturday I expect a fruit basket and apology sent to BL with a full sheet of paper that says I love Crabs Lacrosse.

Omg your posts are so long. Nobody cares to read all your"wisdom". You have zero chance vs crush without your BS 2019s

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

NEWSFLASH from Denver Youth World Championships. After all games were over the event hosted all teams to compete against each other in athletic and lacrosse competitions. All these kids had to submit birth certificates and IDs to be there. Crabs beats Team 91 again in 3 of 3 events.

40 yard dash - 3 fastest times go to 3 Crabs middies. ( we must have cheated somehow)

Hardest Shot - 93 mph by Crabs attackman. ( speed gun was rigged by King Crab)

Most accurate shot - won by another club but next best was Crabs attackman. ( ha..knew Crabs kids couldn't win everything)

Are you getting point yet Crab haters. These kids are all same age and we have great athletes. Does this mean we beat Team 91 This week. Who knows. But what it means is when you have good athletes at any age they will learn the game and be successful.

Team 91 parents and coaches so upset that the precious Crush loses again that they burst into antics about how old r kids are. Even at an age appropriate event with birth certificates. Are you kidding me. Talk about arrogance.

If we beat Team 91 on Saturday I expect a fruit basket and apology sent to BL with a full sheet of paper that says I love Crabs Lacrosse.

You can have your fruit basket with a win as long as we can have your declaration that "without our 5-6 holdbacks we are just another club team" when you lose.

Sounds fair to me, but I forgot, it's not about fairness for you people.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

Team 91 Crush is head and shoulders best club team at any age group and has been for years. We will struggle with them as any team would. They are well coached and have incredible speed. We love to watch them play. Did you see that Crabs 2017 beat Tenacious Turtles in Crabfeast Tourney. Also FCA 2018 Team is arguably best team in country and won Crabfeast. Probably the holdbacks on both teams that makes them so good. Nah...just highly skilled and well coached. Both Teams have age appropriate and holdbacks.

Your arguments are heart felt and completely emotional but you've convinced me that I should take my age appropriate kid to a more ethical club. We live in greater Baltimore area as do most Crabs players so where should we go. Hmmm..I was thinking Loonies..shoot they have holdbacks, maybe FCA...darn it, they have hold backs, ok..Breakers or the new Team 91...that won't work either because they have holdbacks and my son is big into football so Team 91 doesn't work because of the all year round commitment. Which leads to incredible 13 year old lax players but question if they still feel the same about the game when they r 18.
Hope to see you guys at Crabs tryouts. 125 kids tried out for 2019 team last year so should be plenty of opportunities for age appropriate kids.

When U.S. Lacrosse puts rule in that eliminates holdbacks(which they won't)...Crabs will still be top team because they attract competitive players....period.

Keep whining though. It's great material to numb the brain when we are bored.

You start off with a nice love for Team 91 ..how kind of you. But after all your babble it comes down to a simple You like the Crabs and dont care what they do. Your son plays for them so everyone else can **** off ......
Well the majority of the country thinks that letting a select group of players play down in YOUTH lacrosse is wrong.. Very simple. Most people involved with lacrosse dont like Youth lacrosse letting a select group have an advantage , You do. You are so happy to play for Crabs you have no ethics on what is wrong or right in Youth lacrosse. Very simple concept for most of the world to see except you Crab lovers.

And keep defending the concept of giving select youth an advantage over others.Its great material to numb the brain when we are bored!

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

NEWSFLASH from Denver Youth World Championships. After all games were over the event hosted all teams to compete against each other in athletic and lacrosse competitions. All these kids had to submit birth certificates and IDs to be there. Crabs beats Team 91 again in 3 of 3 events.

40 yard dash - 3 fastest times go to 3 Crabs middies. ( we must have cheated somehow)

Hardest Shot - 93 mph by Crabs attackman. ( speed gun was rigged by King Crab)

Most accurate shot - won by another club but next best was Crabs attackman. ( ha..knew Crabs kids couldn't win everything)

Are you getting point yet Crab haters. These kids are all same age and we have great athletes. Does this mean we beat Team 91 This week. Who knows. But what it means is when you have good athletes at any age they will learn the game and be successful.

Team 91 parents and coaches so upset that the precious Crush loses again that they burst into antics about how old r kids are. Even at an age appropriate event with birth certificates. Are you kidding me. Talk about arrogance.

If we beat Team 91 on Saturday I expect a fruit basket and apology sent to BL with a full sheet of paper that says I love Crabs Lacrosse.

I guess you still dont get that the age was lowered to let your holdbacks in. The cutoff was lowered to May 1..Get that MAY 1..The usual cutoff for age base teams is Sept 1. Got That Sept 1 ..So it was lowered by FOUR months to accommodate the many holdbacks/pre-firsts of the Crabs and few others. If it was a true age based tournament it should have stayed Sept 1 or maybe Aug 1, but to go to May 1??? You are an apologist for a way to game the system. Bet every player was born between May 1 and Sept 1 that did so well at these events.

I think crabbie daddy's brain is already numb, but just basing that on spelling/grammar.

I never really understood the disdain people in the lacrosse community have for the Crabs until I watched his behavior on the sideline. I was also present at the beach lax game v T91. The arrogance he displayed by bringing down the 2019 players was pretty shocking. Karma is a [lacrosse] and my guess is she comes knocking on July 4th on national TV v T91.

wa wa wa

The added kids at beachlax played with us in some events last summer as well. including when we lost to Team 91 last year. They are holdback 7th graders and will be on the 2020 Crabs..

This is a total lie, I know at least two of the kids were current eighth graders. Add them to the kids already held back and close to half the roster was kids who are 2019 age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The added kids at beachlax played with us in some events last summer as well. including when we lost to Team 91 last year. They are holdback 7th graders and will be on the 2020 Crabs..

This is a total lie, I know at least two of the kids were current eighth graders. Add them to the kids already held back and close to half the roster was kids who are 2019 age.

Agreed. Everybody knows that Crabs last summer had 7th grade holdbacks and added 8th grade holdbacks this year. Lacrosse is still a small community . The saddest part of all of this is the Crabs kids this weekend who are going to pay for their parents and their coaches selfishness when they are humiliated on national television by the team that they had their tainted championship game against at beach lax. It will further highlight how stacked the team they showed up at Beach Lax with was.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never really understood the disdain people in the lacrosse community have for the Crabs until I watched his behavior on the sideline. I was also present at the beach lax game v T91. The arrogance he displayed by bringing down the 2019 players was pretty shocking. Karma is a [lacrosse] and my guess is she comes knocking on July 4th on national TV v T91.

Oh yeah, pretty much all of Maryland can't wait for the beat down, crabs woke up a sleeping giant at the beach. Then the following week 91 will show Looneys, express the same beat down.

Actually, rising sons kid was 2nd in speed

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

The venom is amazing when you think we are talking about kids lax. Someone asked me questions early to answer and unfortunately I'm just the dad of a age appropriate Crab player and not privy to some of the information you seek. The added kids at beachlax played with us in some events last summer as well. including when we lost to Team 91 last year. They are holdback 7th graders and will be on the 2020 Crabs team next year as well. In my time in club lacrosse I've seen different kids added to teams all the time. The original purpose of club was to set events that put the best kids against each other. As for switching seeds....I don't follow u and it's hard to argue one side of bracket is easier then other in a lot of these tournaments because their are so many close games. Most of our kids are from Gilman, BL and sorruounding counties. No different the other AA club teams. As for pompous and arrogant parents...well what can I say. ...I'm better then you and everyone knows it. Like I said before you can hate on Crabs because of a few or you can appreciate the hard work of many good people that have helped many young lacrosse players reach their goals.

I'm confused about another comment...r we upset about kids age or their size and weight. Because we have many big 13 year olds on our team. Are they cheaters too because they are just really big for their age. My son is 13 and has been shaving for a year...is he a cheater. Sillingness...if your kid is small and you and he decide to play a contact sport then that as a decision you make and isn't the fault of " big kids ".

The venom has nothing to do with the kids, I'm sure they are all quite nice. In fact, my son knows a few of them and has confirmed that. It's the lousy role models they have for parents that irks us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wa wa wa

6 years of high school and that's all you can come up with

you're an [lacrosse]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

The venom is amazing when you think we are talking about kids lax. Someone asked me questions early to answer and unfortunately I'm just the dad of a age appropriate Crab player and not privy to some of the information you seek. The added kids at beachlax played with us in some events last summer as well. including when we lost to Team 91 last year. They are holdback 7th graders and will be on the 2020 Crabs team next year as well. In my time in club lacrosse I've seen different kids added to teams all the time. The original purpose of club was to set events that put the best kids against each other. As for switching seeds....I don't follow u and it's hard to argue one side of bracket is easier then other in a lot of these tournaments because their are so many close games. Most of our kids are from Gilman, BL and sorruounding counties. No different the other AA club teams. As for pompous and arrogant parents...well what can I say. ...I'm better then you and everyone knows it. Like I said before you can hate on Crabs because of a few or you can appreciate the hard work of many good people that have helped many young lacrosse players reach their goals.

I'm confused about another comment...r we upset about kids age or their size and weight. Because we have many big 13 year olds on our team. Are they cheaters too because they are just really big for their age. My son is 13 and has been shaving for a year...is he a cheater. Sillingness...if your kid is small and you and he decide to play a contact sport then that as a decision you make and isn't the fault of " big kids ".

The venom has nothing to do with the kids, I'm sure they are all quite nice. In fact, my son knows a few of them and has confirmed that. It's the lousy role models they have for parents that irks us.

Venom is not at all surprising when you think about the fact that it is kids lacrosse and the Crabs feel compelled to cheat at kids lacrosse. Not surprised you are confused if you can't figure out why manipulating the rules for kids lacrosse is upsetting to folks.

Venom is not surprising when T91 God forbid loses a game and their narcissistic parents who live through their children can't handle it. Because little JoJo is soooooo much better than the Maryland boys, they know it to be true because they have been telling everyone so. Let the kids childhood be about them and not you L.I. Daddy. You embarrass yourself every tournament. What a bunch of boobs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom is not surprising when T91 God forbid loses a game and their narcissistic parents who live through their children can't handle it. Because little JoJo is soooooo much better than the Maryland boys, they know it to be true because they have been telling everyone so. Let the kids childhood be about them and not you L.I. Daddy. You embarrass yourself every tournament. What a bunch of boobs.

Crabs dad-look in the mirror. Both sets of parents are equally narcissistic and living through their kids. It is actually comical but regardless, Crabs cheated for their last win over T91 and like the team or not, 91 is the more skilled team who worked hard to get there. Crabs on the other hand rely on holdbacks to win games. Feel bad for any on age kid left on the team who also worked hard and is now tainted by the adults decision and/or is riding the bench when the holdbacks show up.

News flash for both Crabs and T91 parents. The 99.9% of the youth lacrosse community who don't frequent this board.......all they know is at the O.C. Tournament.....Crabs beat T91. Get over your selfs .

My son has played in the NPYLL for several years and I am pretty knowledgeable about the game, teams, etc. Just about any parent who has a kid playing at this level knows the MO of the Crabs and their owner. So - actually I think that anyone who even knows that the Crabs beat T91 knows what happened. I am no fan of the Long Island teams and their parents behavior on the sideline is pretty awful. Having said that - if I was a betting man I'd rarely bet against T91. I will be curious to see what happens in Denver. I'd have to think they are out for blood after the fiasco in OC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash for both Crabs and T91 parents. The 99.9% of the youth lacrosse community who don't frequent this board.......all they know is at the O.C. Tournament.....Crabs beat T91. Get over your selfs .

True but also the teams who were there for the weekend know the truth and regardless of whether the majority of the lacrosse community read this board or not, the Crabs lost the respect of some of the best teams, parents and coaches in the region that weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash for both Crabs and T91 parents. The 99.9% of the youth lacrosse community who don't frequent this board.......all they know is at the O.C. Tournament.....Crabs beat T91. Get over your selfs .

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Don't tell anyone the Crabs cheat. Maybe if we just pretend we do not, no one will know.

Wow. that's quite a standard. You should be proud.

[quote=Crabbiedad]The venom is amazing when you think we are talking about kids lax. Someone asked me questions early to answer and unfortunately I'm just the dad of a age appropriate Crab player and not privy to some of the information you seek. The added kids at beachlax played with us in some events last summer as well. including when we lost to Team 91 last year.

So you have been cheating in previous years and you were "privy" to it. Again please read this slowly, this is not a holdback issue. When you have "tryouts" in August, if the 19's are repeating 8th grade then they should try out for the 20's. They should not have been added to another teams roster in the middle of the season to win a tournament. It's cheating, plain and simple. Just because you have always done it, doesn't mean it is right. You throw in the comment about losing to 91 last year. Does that mean if you cheat and lose, it's not really cheating.....your logic escapes me

They are holdback 7th graders and will be on the 2020 Crabs team next year as well. In my time in club lacrosse I've seen different kids added to teams all the time. The original purpose of club was to set events that put the best kids against each other.

I never complained about holdbacks, in fact I specifically said it was not about holdbacks. When the kids "tryout" in August and the 19's become 20's, at the end of the day it is what it is. In my 30 plus years coaching, I know kids are added to rosters for certain tournaments, kids of age are certainly different than getting out the Flux Capacitor on a Sunday night, having a group of 13 year olds run through it and pretend they are 12 and expect everyone to believe it.

As for switching seeds....I don't follow u and it's hard to argue one side of bracket is easier then other in a lot of these tournaments because their are so many close games.

I never said easier, did I?, it's funny how you are "privy" to what you consider all of the positive sides of the "great club", but seem to not be "privy" to all of the negative sides of the "great club". I will explain, last week at Crabfeast after pool play on Saturday the "great club" should have been seeded 5th and played Team 91, King Crab graciously gave up his 5th seed to Prime Time and became the 6th seed and played the 3rd seed. When you got to the semis, FCA was seeded 1, Mesa Fresh seeded 2, the "great club" represented the 3 seed and Prime Time represented the 4 seed. In my time in club lacrosse, I have always seen 1 play 4, 2 play 3 in that situation. Maybe this is cutting edge technology and maybe it's in part to their great coaching, I don't know the reason, but I would love to hear one because in these semis 1 played 3, 2 played 4. I think I know the reason, but didn't want to assume.

Most of our kids are from Gilman, BL and sorruounding counties. No different the other AA club teams.

Ummmm......Gilman and BL are schools, not counties. I didn't say it was different, was replying to the inference that all of the little crabbies were homegrown and good old Baltimore Blue Crabs right out of the harbor, when in fact that is just not the case.

As for pompous and arrogant parents...well what can I say. ...I'm better then you and everyone knows it. Like I said before you can hate on Crabs because of a few or you can appreciate the hard work of many good people that have helped many young lacrosse players reach their goals.

I think it would be the other way, I think the few are the quiet humble people, I think the mass is the blowhards like you who bury their head in the sand and just keep saying nothing to see here, please move along. I know the kool-aid is good and cold, but maybe you should put the cup down and back away and look at the big picture, but you better and smarter than me so I know you won't.

I'm confused about another comment...r we upset about kids age or their size and weight. Because we have many big 13 year olds on our team. Are they cheaters too because they are just really big for their age. My son is 13 and has been shaving for a year...is he a cheater. Sillingness...if your kid is small and you and he decide to play a contact sport then that as a decision you make and isn't the fault of " big kids ".

Not my comment, so have no idea what the poster was asking, but good attempt to cloud the discussion again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom is not surprising when T91 God forbid loses a game and their narcissistic parents who live through their children can't handle it. Because little JoJo is soooooo much better than the Maryland boys, they know it to be true because they have been telling everyone so. Let the kids childhood be about them and not you L.I. Daddy. You embarrass yourself every tournament. What a bunch of boobs.

Crabs dad- You stood on the sidelines of a game supporting a team that was cheating. Allowing your son to play on a team that is cheating shows who else is living through their child. Grow a set and stand up for what is right and teach your child some ethics. Dishonesty and letting their child be used reveals a lot more about a man's character than being loud and obnoxious on the sidelines.

As George Costanza said..."it's not a lie if you believe it"

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

So can we start talking about who is going to win the Young Guns this weekend? Madlax is sending there National team. Are any of the other clubs sending there National teams this weekend? And before you all start talking they have had this weekend posted for the National team for a full year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Even though they have not even started their new repeat grade? Until they do, how is that different than EDGE just assuming all its kids intend to reclass or do a PG year? Can my 2021 team include 2020's who intend to reclass when they go to boarding school in a couple years?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Even though they have not even started their new repeat grade? Until they do, how is that different than EDGE just assuming all its kids intend to reclass or do a PG year? Can my 2021 team include 2020's who intend to reclass when they go to boarding school in a couple years?

Because you moron, you can't decide in the summer to change classes at MIAA schools. Not to mention, 2 of the 5 kids that played at beach lax were already in 7th grade but playing on 8th grade team. The other three are going to a new school this fall in the 8th grade making them 2020 graduates? Is it really that frigging hard for you LI meat heads to understand? If you are that worried about it, play in the age based division next year.(That's right, there are age based divisions. You chose to play in the grade based) Too bad it's going to be raining tomorrow in MD. Won't be able to lather up in tanning oil.

Please add your name, occupation and age to all posts so you can make all of your family and friends proud!

MD parent here, I don't like the Jersey Shore cast that shows up for the 91 team, however, I am looking forward to Crabs getting destroyed on national TV.

The Crabs promote hold backs in their organization, and I know that the owner of Crabs is truly in panic mode over 91 coming to MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Even though they have not even started their new repeat grade? Until they do, how is that different than EDGE just assuming all its kids intend to reclass or do a PG year? Can my 2021 team include 2020's who intend to reclass when they go to boarding school in a couple years?

Because you moron, you can't decide in the summer to change classes at MIAA schools. Not to mention, 2 of the 5 kids that played at beach lax were already in 7th grade but playing on 8th grade team. The other three are going to a new school this fall in the 8th grade making them 2020 graduates? Is it really that frigging hard for you LI meat heads to understand? If you are that worried about it, play in the age based division next year.(That's right, there are age based divisions. You chose to play in the grade based) Too bad it's going to be raining tomorrow in MD. Won't be able to lather up in tanning oil.

Laughable that 5 kids that normally played and were rostered on the 2019 Crabs team could not do more than beat the 91 team by a goal in OT. That my friend is embarrassing. I wonder what would happen if 91 showed up with 5 unrostered players of which 3 would be, 91 2019 kids. What would happen then? Oh wait- good players play up not down! Playing down is for weak players. Go play with the big boys, not the younger kids. Don't these kids get made fun of by their age appropriate friends? I just cannot imagine my HS son telling his friends he wants to play with the JV kids instead of the Varsity aged kids because he thinks he will look better. I am sure there is plenty of laughing going on behind their backs, parents and kids alike. Enjoy that early commit if you get one, but the rest of those Crab kids are going to catch up and take their spots back and sit the hold backs on the bench! Good luck Crabs 2020 aged kids! I hope you commit first and get the last laugh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

So tournaments should make special rules to accommodate holdbacks or kids who might holdback? That's just silly.

The rule page says the following "Placement on a grade based team (2018AA, 2019AA, 2020AA and 2021AA) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team." - the rule was not enforced and Aloha is responsible for that. Does not excuse the Crabs though, they knew exactly what they were doing.

In June of 2015 a 2020 team is finishing the 7th grade, and some of the kids on other teams were still in school", the kids the Crabs brought in had just finished 8th grade. Does not matter that they were doing it again, what matters is that they had already done it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Even though they have not even started their new repeat grade? Until they do, how is that different than EDGE just assuming all its kids intend to reclass or do a PG year? Can my 2021 team include 2020's who intend to reclass when they go to boarding school in a couple years?

Because you moron, you can't decide in the summer to change classes at MIAA schools. Not to mention, 2 of the 5 kids that played at beach lax were already in 7th grade but playing on 8th grade team. The other three are going to a new school this fall in the 8th grade making them 2020 graduates? Is it really that frigging hard for you LI meat heads to understand? If you are that worried about it, play in the age based division next year.(That's right, there are age based divisions. You chose to play in the grade based) Too bad it's going to be raining tomorrow in MD. Won't be able to lather up in tanning oil.

Listen to yourself. Going to start the same grade in a new school-what a joke for all involved. How many of those kids met the age cut off for Denver? . You are fooling nobody except yourself. No ethics. No sportsmanship. Just keep making excuses for little Johnny who is not good enough to play with his own age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Even though they have not even started their new repeat grade? Until they do, how is that different than EDGE just assuming all its kids intend to reclass or do a PG year? Can my 2021 team include 2020's who intend to reclass when they go to boarding school in a couple years?

Because you moron, you can't decide in the summer to change classes at MIAA schools. Not to mention, 2 of the 5 kids that played at beach lax were already in 7th grade but playing on 8th grade team. The other three are going to a new school this fall in the 8th grade making them 2020 graduates? Is it really that frigging hard for you LI meat heads to understand? If you are that worried about it, play in the age based division next year.(That's right, there are age based divisions. You chose to play in the grade based) Too bad it's going to be raining tomorrow in MD. Won't be able to lather up in tanning oil.

Tsk tsk, calling names? Your team was wrong with what they did. Tomorrow afternoon will be the final determination of whether all your holdbacks from last year and this year are not as "impactful" as you like to lead others to believe. And although most will not know the backstory, the ones that opinion validates you as worthy opponents will all know. Just heartbreaking for your boys and further support that the position their club and parents put them in is disgraceful. Going forward every win of your holdback team will be written off as tainted just like Beachlax was.

T91 should be extremely embarrassed for beating that hotbed Dallas squad 30-0 or can you LI people not acknowledge that? Talk about zero ethics. You Jersey Shore cast members types are a parade of carnival sideshows.

From another 91 team, if that is true it's a shame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Live in Maryland, don't have a kid that age, thanks to Coppertone my butt feels fine, but the Crabs are still cheaters. Are you that stupid to think they actually called the Aloha tournament office and said, hey get a load of what we are going to do. I seriously doubt that was the scenario, King Crab cheated plain and simple, it would have still been cheating even if they lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From another 91 team, if that is true it's a shame.

It has been a total embarrassment by T91 this week. 30-0, 20-3, 20-2, leading at half this past game 23-2. Obviously the same idea of sportsmanship from the Little League World Series did not travel out to Denver for lacrosse. What a shame that these LI doucebags decided that this is the stage to absolutely belittle every team they play. Hope they are proud of themselves.

We are going to smack the you know what out of your crabs team tomorrow on national t.v. Get ready for the beat down coach said he wAnts 30 goals at least. Best bet is to board the plane early and get out of dodge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MD parent here, I don't like the Jersey Shore cast that shows up for the 91 team, however, I am looking forward to Crabs getting destroyed on national TV.

The Crabs promote hold backs in their organization, and I know that the owner of Crabs is truly in panic mode over 91 coming to MD.

I for one welcome our new Team 91 overlords.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Even though they have not even started their new repeat grade? Until they do, how is that different than EDGE just assuming all its kids intend to reclass or do a PG year? Can my 2021 team include 2020's who intend to reclass when they go to boarding school in a couple years?

Because you moron, you can't decide in the summer to change classes at MIAA schools. Not to mention, 2 of the 5 kids that played at beach lax were already in 7th grade but playing on 8th grade team. The other three are going to a new school this fall in the 8th grade making them 2020 graduates? Is it really that frigging hard for you LI meat heads to understand? If you are that worried about it, play in the age based division next year.(That's right, there are age based divisions. You chose to play in the grade based) Too bad it's going to be raining tomorrow in MD. Won't be able to lather up in tanning oil.

Md dad here, it is still cheating you moron

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MD parent here, I don't like the Jersey Shore cast that shows up for the 91 team, however, I am looking forward to Crabs getting destroyed on national TV.

The Crabs promote hold backs in their organization, and I know that the owner of Crabs is truly in panic mode over 91 coming to MD.

Yeah. I'm sure RM is really in panic mode. Maybe only 120 kids will show up for tryouts this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Even though they have not even started their new repeat grade? Until they do, how is that different than EDGE just assuming all its kids intend to reclass or do a PG year? Can my 2021 team include 2020's who intend to reclass when they go to boarding school in a couple years?

Because you moron, you can't decide in the summer to change classes at MIAA schools. Not to mention, 2 of the 5 kids that played at beach lax were already in 7th grade but playing on 8th grade team. The other three are going to a new school this fall in the 8th grade making them 2020 graduates? Is it really that frigging hard for you LI meat heads to understand? If you are that worried about it, play in the age based division next year.(That's right, there are age based divisions. You chose to play in the grade based) Too bad it's going to be raining tomorrow in MD. Won't be able to lather up in tanning oil.

Md dad here, it is still cheating you moron

If the kids had already applied and been accepted to a school for 8th grade this fall, therefore graduating in 2020, what rule did they break playing in the 2020 division? And the kid that made the biggest difference was in 7th grade this year. Again, there were age based divisions. You can't [lacrosse] about age, when age was no part of the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Even though they have not even started their new repeat grade? Until they do, how is that different than EDGE just assuming all its kids intend to reclass or do a PG year? Can my 2021 team include 2020's who intend to reclass when they go to boarding school in a couple years?

Because you moron, you can't decide in the summer to change classes at MIAA schools. Not to mention, 2 of the 5 kids that played at beach lax were already in 7th grade but playing on 8th grade team. The other three are going to a new school this fall in the 8th grade making them 2020 graduates? Is it really that frigging hard for you LI meat heads to understand? If you are that worried about it, play in the age based division next year.(That's right, there are age based divisions. You chose to play in the grade based) Too bad it's going to be raining tomorrow in MD. Won't be able to lather up in tanning oil.

Md dad here, it is still cheating you moron

If the kids had already applied and been accepted to a school for 8th grade this fall, therefore graduating in 2020, what rule did they break playing in the 2020 division? And the kid that made the biggest difference was in 7th grade this year. Again, there were age based divisions. You can't [lacrosse] about age, when age was no part of the rules.

You added unrostered kids to this particular game because your coach felt he could not do it without those kids. You took the playing time away from the kids that deserved to play and do their best. What message is that sending to the lacrosse world? We switch our kids because we have no faith? We must win because we cannot face defeat? We do not care about loyalty... so give us your money. How can you not see what the coach did that game was wrong on so many levels. So what that the kids are reclassing to 2020 because they could not hack 2019- who gives them the right to take away the spot of a 2020 kid that game? Grow up and stop coddling your kids- having them play down is seriously sad, desperate and screams LOSER. They need some extra time to get recruited, then have the school ask them to do a PG year. Playing down is a weak move and is unfair to true aged kids on that team. How can you not see that playing your kid down is a desperate move? So glad our teams play up and challenge themselves. Coaches will look far more impressively on a kid that can hang with older kids, than those that hang with younger ones. Think this through... does it make any more sense to you now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the tournament allows kids who are repeating a grade the coming fall to play with teams in their new grade, it is not cheating. You can call it cheating all you want, but that isn't cheating. Sorry you lost a meaningless youth lacrosse game. Maybe someday you'll get over your butthurt.

And no, my son never repeated a grade and we don't play for the Crabs.

Even though they have not even started their new repeat grade? Until they do, how is that different than EDGE just assuming all its kids intend to reclass or do a PG year? Can my 2021 team include 2020's who intend to reclass when they go to boarding school in a couple years?

Because you moron, you can't decide in the summer to change classes at MIAA schools. Not to mention, 2 of the 5 kids that played at beach lax were already in 7th grade but playing on 8th grade team. The other three are going to a new school this fall in the 8th grade making them 2020 graduates? Is it really that frigging hard for you LI meat heads to understand? If you are that worried about it, play in the age based division next year.(That's right, there are age based divisions. You chose to play in the grade based) Too bad it's going to be raining tomorrow in MD. Won't be able to lather up in tanning oil.

Md dad here, it is still cheating you moron

If the kids had already applied and been accepted to a school for 8th grade this fall, therefore graduating in 2020, what rule did they break playing in the 2020 division? And the kid that made the biggest difference was in 7th grade this year. Again, there were age based divisions. You can't [lacrosse] about age, when age was no part of the rules.

You added unrostered kids to this particular game because your coach felt he could not do it without those kids. You took the playing time away from the kids that deserved to play and do their best. What message is that sending to the lacrosse world? We switch our kids because we have no faith? We must win because we cannot face defeat? We do not care about loyalty... so give us your money. How can you not see what the coach did that game was wrong on so many levels. So what that the kids are reclassing to 2020 because they could not hack 2019- who gives them the right to take away the spot of a 2020 kid that game? Grow up and stop coddling your kids- having them play down is seriously sad, desperate and screams LOSER. They need some extra time to get recruited, then have the school ask them to do a PG year. Playing down is a weak move and is unfair to true aged kids on that team. How can you not see that playing your kid down is a desperate move? So glad our teams play up and challenge themselves. Coaches will look far more impressively on a kid that can hang with older kids, than those that hang with younger ones. Think this through... does it make any more sense to you now?

My point is, they are being called cheaters. My sons are on age and I'm not a fan of all the holdacks. However, complaining that they "cheated" sounds like whining. I hear your point and agree that it is unfortunate that some of the kids were benched for the day. But, no rules were broken. The fact is, T91 lost. They want to say crabs cheated by bringing kids down, but it was a grade based tournament and every kid that played in beach lax will graduate in 2020. T91 knew the rules going in. There were age based divisions available. You can't put your team in the grade-based division and then complain that another team has older kids. You and I know that ALL TEAMS had players throughout the tournament season. Not just Crabs. People dislike RM and the Crabs in general. FCA has as many holdbacks as Crabs does and they routinely bring down some of their 2019s(who are 2020s) to play in games. Why is Crabs singled out in this?

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You added unrostered kids to this particular game because your coach felt he could not do it without those kids. You took the playing time away from the kids that deserved to play and do their best. What message is that sending to the lacrosse world? We switch our kids because we have no faith? We must win because we cannot face defeat? We do not care about loyalty... so give us your money. How can you not see what the coach did that game was wrong on so many levels. So what that the kids are reclassing to 2020 because they could not hack 2019- who gives them the right to take away the spot of a 2020 kid that game? Grow up and stop coddling your kids- having them play down is seriously sad, desperate and screams LOSER. They need some extra time to get recruited, then have the school ask them to do a PG year. Playing down is a weak move and is unfair to true aged kids on that team. How can you not see that playing your kid down is a desperate move? So glad our teams play up and challenge themselves. Coaches will look far more impressively on a kid that can hang with older kids, than those that hang with younger ones. Think this through... does it make any more sense to you now? [/quote]

My point is, they are being called cheaters. My sons are on age and I'm not a fan of all the holdacks. However, complaining that they "cheated" sounds like whining. I hear your point and agree that it is unfortunate that some of the kids were benched for the day. But, no rules were broken. The fact is, T91 lost. They want to say crabs cheated by bringing kids down, but it was a grade based tournament and every kid that played in beach lax will graduate in 2020. T91 knew the rules going in. There were age based divisions available. You can't put your team in the grade-based division and then complain that another team has older kids. You and I know that ALL TEAMS had players throughout the tournament season. Not just Crabs. People dislike RM and the Crabs in general. FCA has as many holdbacks as Crabs does and they routinely bring down some of their 2019s(who are 2020s) to play in games. Why is Crabs singled out in this?[/quote]

Well I think Crabs is being singled out because they brought in players that technically are not 2020 until they set foot in school the following year- this would go for any team that does this as well. What is to say that they will not change their minds? Technically, any kid can say they are switching schools and repeating. What is stopping a family of thinking better of their decision and keeping their kid on grade? I am not saying this is the case, but than T91, Sons, Breakers, etc can all show up with new kids for a game here and there and say they will be repeating a grade. I read the rules as such: 2020 means that is the grade you just completed for graduation- not the one you plan on completing graduation requirement. That smells too much of Edge playing a whole team down saying they PLAN to PG. Who is to say that this is the case. Next year when these players show that they were ridiculous enough to repeat a grade to play with younger kids and actually walk the walk, then they should be on that field with the 2020 team, but until then- they really are not 2020. At this stage in the game- they have completed 8th grade and are on par for completing graduation requirements for 2019. While my kid and many have taken 3 or more 8th grade classes in 7th grade, they could not complete the requirements at this time to graduate in 2019. This is the difference- these "supposed holdbacks" can still graduate in 2019 and until they repeat/start their 8th grade year, it is not official. Frankly, I hope they choose not to repeat and think again, as it really is a sad state to want to play with younger kids so you look better and put your education behind lacrosse. Where are good values and priorities with these families?

**************Frankly, I hope they choose not to repeat and think again, as it really is a sad state to want to play with younger kids so you look better and put your education behind lacrosse. Where are good values and priorities with these families?********

Unfortunately the values are that they have a shot of competing against the other holdbacks/pre-first at their MIAA school. The MIAA schools are overloaded with kids heldback a year. Most grades have ZERO boys born in June/July/August or very little. Some grades have over 50% of boys held back a year.

It has gotten worst as the years have gone by at MIAA schools. Parents see the writing on the walls. The older children are getting the starting spots. Like most people with a high tax bracket they pay the extra price for little Johnny to not be at a disadvantage. These schools of supposed character are the ones driving this. Crabs have just taken advantage of these same MIAA parents and wanta be MIAA parents. Why the rest of the youth lacrosse world needs to participate in this gaming the system is beyond me. And I know what I am talking about as I have two boys in a MIAA school. I find the whole thing disgusting.

Yes, a rule was broken, there were 8th graders playing in a 7th grade game, end of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, a rule was broken, there were 8th graders playing in a 7th grade game, end of story.

How about Crabs do the right thing and tell Aloha to give the cship to 91 and send an apology to the other teams they played that tournament?

They cheated no question about it! Two of the kids who played 2020 beach lax had not even finished their eighth grade year as school was still in session. Look at their roster and half their 2020 kids have already held back. It's sad... Their 2020 hold backs would never made their 2019 team as they aren't good players but simply when they play down they are physically more mature. Take the best or decent four 2019 from just about any program and play them down at 2020 and they are studs.
Crabs is a sham run by a fatty that never played the game...

The 2019 FCA players that also occasionally play for the 2020 team are on age 2020 kids. They are playing up when they play for 2019. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, a rule was broken, there were 8th graders playing in a 7th grade game, end of story.

That's just it. It wasn't 7th grade. It was kids graduating in 2020 which all those kids are.

Selfish people of priviledge so jaded in their thoughts that they are above the concept of fair play. Just asking for an equal playing field! As a parent of a pretty good player that is not a super star it is frustrating knowing that the kids in front of him are hold backs, thus being relegated to a minor role instead of a prominant role. I cannot comprehend how parents of holdbacks feel good about winning games and watching their son's compete against mostly younger competition. On age team mates pushed aside by more mature holdbacks! When I was a kid the best athletes played up, not down! Ultimately, what are you teaching your child and how are you preparing him for the the challenges that lie ahead? For us, the lesson is that life is not fair and get over it! I hope you are happy Mr & Mrs Holdback!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, a rule was broken, there were 8th graders playing in a 7th grade game, end of story.

That's just it. It wasn't 7th grade. It was kids graduating in 2020 which all those kids are.

If you have completed 8th grade, which they had, you are 2019, which is the team they were rostered on all spring. Cheating

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, a rule was broken, there were 8th graders playing in a 7th grade game, end of story.

Then why weren't they disqualified by the tournament? Because the Crabs didn't break a rule.

Get some new panties.

If crabs get past Rising Sons, what is the over/ under on the 91 - Crabs final? I say 91 wins by 15!

What would you guess the T91 parents over/under will be for gold chains and jersey shore antics? I am sure "The Situation" will respond shortly.....HJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would you guess the T91 parents over/under will be for gold chains and jersey shore antics? I am sure "The Situation" will respond shortly.....HJ.

what will be the hillbilly tooth over under in stands for crabs parents

Lmao crabs getting smoked. welcome to bif boy lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, a rule was broken, there were 8th graders playing in a 7th grade game, end of story.

Then why weren't they disqualified by the tournament? Because the Crabs didn't break a rule.

Get some new panties.

Interestingly enough some of the same boys that played w the 2020s at Beach Lax showed up at YoungGunz playing on the 2019 team again. Counted at least 3 of them and probably a 4th too. Guess they are playing up this weekend since they did not qualify for Denver!? Where oh where will they show up next weekend?

Bif boy? Showing that LI education again? Talk about hillbilly.

Well well now...my oldest is now out of college and my memory is very long. For years and years Crabs had no issue or conscience beating teams 30-1, 25-0, etc. I stood on sidelines and watched little kids crying from the humiliation.

I don't do endorsements for bad sportsmanship or Team 91, but I am finding the irony of Crabs indignation to be a bit amusing. I feel bad for the Crabs kids if they were humiliated in a lopsided game just the same. But to the Crabs owner all I could say is karma, she's a b$@ch.

Humiliated? Hardly.

Wait until the next tournament. I imagine we'll see the same whining we saw from T91 last month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Humiliated? Hardly.

Wait until the next tournament. I imagine we'll see the same whining we saw from T91 last month.

Already planning to bring the holdback a?

Cheater!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Humiliated? Hardly.

Wait until the next tournament. I imagine we'll see the same whining we saw from T91 last month.

Is that when you will bring in your 2019s again? You lost when it was age to age. It is now proven your on age team is no match for talented on age teams. You would lose more if the Denver 2020s were the team to play the tourneys instead of all of your holdbacks. Ha. Proves what everyone already knew. Crabs on age is a farce.

Im sure this makes for a long car ride back to the hotel for the "great club" I'm not sure who is going to be more pisssed, Muffy or little sport in the backseat. The both of them looking at you in disgust because you couldn't fix the situation for them. Sad day to be crabdad, way to let your sons down on national television in front of Body by Jake.

looked like they were all smiles after the game.. imagine being 13 and on ESPN2 .. you would have crapped in your cavariccis

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im sure this makes for a long car ride back to the hotel for the "great club" I'm not sure who is going to be more pisssed, Muffy or little sport in the backseat. The both of them looking at you in disgust because you couldn't fix the situation for them. Sad day to be crabdad, way to let your sons down on national television in front of Body by Jake.

Not being a parent with either team, let's hope Crabs learned a lesson about the fact that they are just a good 2020 when they play on age. Let's hope that their parents will realize that they have their kid on a team that has to manipulate the rules in order to win and get a clue that they do not have the respect of the broader lacrosse community who sees through them. Nobody sees the Crabs kids as awesome players - good with one or two standouts but not superstars.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Humiliated? Hardly.

Wait until the next tournament. I imagine we'll see the same whining we saw from T91 last month.

Justified whining since it now proven you need holdbacks AND kids from your 2019 team to win. You would not be number one in Baltimore either without those holdbacks. How can any parent let their kid play on a team that has to cheat to win? Great message to give your kids.

That was a beating. Crabs were embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

looked like they were all smiles after the game.. imagine being 13 and on ESPN2 .. you would have crapped in your cavariccis

Did not get that impression but does that include the kid who slammed his long pole down when a play did not go his way? Did not see that from any 91 kid who missed or lost the ball.

You guys have zero perspective because you do not have kids who've gone through youth-hs lacrosse.

The Crabs get better every year because they are not sentimental during tryouts. I've seen Crab team that change the roster 50%+ from one season to the next (and no, those are not all kids who've reclassed).

The Crabs 2014 team went undefeated during their HS club careers, but lost games with different rosters during the MS years. Several of them were not on the team then.

You'll see a different Crabs team in the fall (and no, it will not be just because of kids who've reclassed).

Congratulations on your Super Bowl win. You were the better team today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, a rule was broken, there were 8th graders playing in a 7th grade game, end of story.

Then why weren't they disqualified by the tournament? Because the Crabs didn't break a rule.

Get some new panties.

Interestingly enough some of the same boys that played w the 2020s at Beach Lax showed up at YoungGunz playing on the 2019 team again. Counted at least 3 of them and probably a 4th too. Guess they are playing up this weekend since they did not qualify for Denver!? Where oh where will they show up next weekend?

No surprise as the crabs do not hide the fact that they play kids down. After all, those kids were 2019 all year and maybe their spots can not be filled on 2019 until all the 2018s finish their season and fill the 2019 slots. Has got to be embarrassing for those boys and hard for their parents to know which schedule to follow each week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

looked like they were all smiles after the game.. imagine being 13 and on ESPN2 .. you would have crapped in your cavariccis

I think you are right, glad the kids are smiling. would have loved to see the parents in the stands, back to work for pretzel boy to work the system, i unfortunately feel a trip to Jonestown for the kids who didnt get it done because Ryan thinks the field is level even though it's not. I might have [lacrosse] my pants,will never know. Think you would have done the same thing, the only difference is I would have cleaned myself up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys have zero perspective because you do not have kids who've gone through youth-hs lacrosse.

The Crabs get better every year because they are not sentimental during tryouts. I've seen Crab team that change the roster 50%+ from one season to the next (and no, those are not all kids who've reclassed).

The Crabs 2014 team went undefeated during their HS club careers, but lost games with different rosters during the MS years. Several of them were not on the team then.

You'll see a different Crabs team in the fall (and no, it will not be just because of kids who've reclassed).

Congratulations on your Super Bowl win. You were the better team today.

Despite your parenthetical denials, the majority of Crabs teams do become made up of primarily holdback kids with the majority moving at end of 8th grade. The team and their MiAA schools encourage it. It will catch up with them as more and more tourneys go combo age and grade like Denver did. Then the Crabs historical advantage will be over. In the mean time, everyone knows their game and don't really see them as champions or view them with respect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys have zero perspective because you do not have kids who've gone through youth-hs lacrosse.

The Crabs get better every year because they are not sentimental during tryouts. I've seen Crab team that change the roster 50%+ from one season to the next (and no, those are not all kids who've reclassed).

The Crabs 2014 team went undefeated during their HS club careers, but lost games with different rosters during the MS years. Several of them were not on the team then.

You'll see a different Crabs team in the fall (and no, it will not be just because of kids who've reclassed).

Congratulations on your Super Bowl win. You were the better team today.

Help me get some perspective....

Several kids who were rostered on a 2019 team all year show up for a tournament with a 2020 team. We are told they have "reclassified" with lots of mumbo jumbo about planning to redo something sometime soon so this is all perfectly normal, but let's be honest, at the end of the day it was really just 8th graders playing on a 7th grade team.

A few weeks later they are back playing with their original team at young guns, are they now playing up? Have they de-reclassified? Are they now unclassified? Or does your organization just have no class?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Humiliated? Hardly.

Wait until the next tournament. I imagine we'll see the same whining we saw from T91 last month.

Don't you mean "wait until the next tournament (when there is no age cutoff and we can bring in as many older kids as we need to win)"?

Yeah, I think that's what you mean.

What was the final score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the final score?

19-8

Congrats Team 91. They are phenomenal team that put on clinic today with behind back feeds and scores on multiple occassions. We clearly were not same team as first time and that was certainly due to some of holdbacks but more to do with they played bad lacrosse today. Our holdbacks don't account for 11 goals. We caught Team 91 a little down at the beach, probably a little over confident as well. 10-6 beginning of first half and we fell asleep with soft D, weak slides, strange middy lines and allowed them to go on 6 point run. We knew they are better team but our boys could have kept that game with in 3-5 goals. Turned ball over with poor passing and throwing five times. Can't do that. No physicality or hustle for ground balls. We can draw conclusions about what are team is without holdbacks and we think they are as good and compete with any team in the country. They are inconsistent like many 13 year old boys. Team 91 Crush is the most dominant club team at any age group for years. They often bump up and smoke good 2019 teams. Watched them beat Hawks 2019 team like a dog. As far as remainder of teams Crabs is very strong team. This is all practice for high school and we are proud of the little Crabs. Many of our boys will now put the stick down and slide on football pads and soccer cleats. It's not an excuse, it's a reality. Very difficult to compete against kids/club that are laxers all year long. Team 91 is best 13 year olds in the world. Incredible to watch.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

Congrats Team 91. They are phenomenal team that put on clinic today with behind back feeds and scores on multiple occassions. We clearly were not same team as first time and that was certainly due to some of holdbacks but more to do with they played bad lacrosse today. Our holdbacks don't account for 11 goals. We caught Team 91 a little down at the beach, probably a little over confident as well. 10-6 beginning of first half and we fell asleep with soft D, weak slides, strange middy lines and allowed them to go on 6 point run. We knew they are better team but our boys could have kept that game with in 3-5 goals. Turned ball over with poor passing and throwing five times. Can't do that. No physicality or hustle for ground balls. We can draw conclusions about what are team is without holdbacks and we think they are as good and compete with any team in the country. They are inconsistent like many 13 year old boys. Team 91 Crush is the most dominant club team at any age group for years. They often bump up and smoke good 2019 teams. Watched them beat Hawks 2019 team like a dog. As far as remainder of teams Crabs is very strong team. This is all practice for high school and we are proud of the little Crabs. Many of our boys will now put the stick down and slide on football pads and soccer cleats. It's not an excuse, it's a reality. Very difficult to compete against kids/club that are laxers all year long. Team 91 is best 13 year olds in the world. Incredible to watch.

CrabbieDad, I did not think you had it in you. :-)

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

Congrats Team 91. They are phenomenal team that put on clinic today with behind back feeds and scores on multiple occassions. We clearly were not same team as first time and that was certainly due to some of holdbacks but more to do with they played bad lacrosse today. Our holdbacks don't account for 11 goals. We caught Team 91 a little down at the beach, probably a little over confident as well. 10-6 beginning of first half and we fell asleep with soft D, weak slides, strange middy lines and allowed them to go on 6 point run. We knew they are better team but our boys could have kept that game with in 3-5 goals. Turned ball over with poor passing and throwing five times. Can't do that. No physicality or hustle for ground balls. We can draw conclusions about what are team is without holdbacks and we think they are as good and compete with any team in the country. They are inconsistent like many 13 year old boys. Team 91 Crush is the most dominant club team at any age group for years. They often bump up and smoke good 2019 teams. Watched them beat Hawks 2019 team like a dog. As far as remainder of teams Crabs is very strong team. This is all practice for high school and we are proud of the little Crabs. Many of our boys will now put the stick down and slide on football pads and soccer cleats. It's not an excuse, it's a reality. Very difficult to compete against kids/club that are laxers all year long. Team 91 is best 13 year olds in the world. Incredible to watch.

And no fruit basket for you Crabbiedad.

I'm a md guy and have to say Losing by 11 goals is a good old fashioned [lacrosse] whoopin. Considering you won in beach lax in OT I think that is enough proof of the holdback factor. In a loss by 11 you can't go with the kids didn't play well. Bottom line is the Crabs are an average organization when they play on an even playing field. Did they have 8 coaches today all looking around and not knowing how to coach without kids physically bigger? It's a Different game coaching kids when everyone is the same age... You can't just pick a kid 18 months older and say go to the goal.
It would be great for youth lacrosse if all tourneys were set up like this and didn't favor the holdbacks.

No fruit basket needed..a couple Titos and Tonics are hitting the spot after watching that game. Happy 4th.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

Congrats Team 91. They are phenomenal team that put on clinic today with behind back feeds and scores on multiple occassions. We clearly were not same team as first time and that was certainly due to some of holdbacks but more to do with they played bad lacrosse today. Our holdbacks don't account for 11 goals. We caught Team 91 a little down at the beach, probably a little over confident as well. 10-6 beginning of first half and we fell asleep with soft D, weak slides, strange middy lines and allowed them to go on 6 point run. We knew they are better team but our boys could have kept that game with in 3-5 goals. Turned ball over with poor passing and throwing five times. Can't do that. No physicality or hustle for ground balls. We can draw conclusions about what are team is without holdbacks and we think they are as good and compete with any team in the country. They are inconsistent like many 13 year old boys. Team 91 Crush is the most dominant club team at any age group for years. They often bump up and smoke good 2019 teams. Watched them beat Hawks 2019 team like a dog. As far as remainder of teams Crabs is very strong team. This is all practice for high school and we are proud of the little Crabs. Many of our boys will now put the stick down and slide on football pads and soccer cleats. It's not an excuse, it's a reality. Very difficult to compete against kids/club that are laxers all year long. Team 91 is best 13 year olds in the world. Incredible to watch.

you're still a pompous [lacrosse]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a md guy and have to say Losing by 11 goals is a good old fashioned [lacrosse] whoopin. Considering you won in beach lax in OT I think that is enough proof of the holdback factor. In a loss by 11 you can't go with the kids didn't play well. Bottom line is the Crabs are an average organization when they play on an even playing field. Did they have 8 coaches today all looking around and not knowing how to coach without kids physically bigger? It's a Different game coaching kids when everyone is the same age... You can't just pick a kid 18 months older and say go to the goal.
It would be great for youth lacrosse if all tourneys were set up like this and didn't favor the holdbacks.

Hogan...Aloha....NXT...are you reading the recurring theme here? People want grade based with an age cut off. Do that for your tournaments -heck most reasonable parents would even pay more and you don't need the Crabs at your tournaments. There are enough competitive on age teams you would have your tourneys full. Who is going to stand up to King Crabby first?

Agree with above

Equal playing field and the Crabs got smoked! Love it! MD dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys have zero perspective because you do not have kids who've gone through youth-hs lacrosse.

The Crabs get better every year because they are not sentimental during tryouts. I've seen Crab team that change the roster 50%+ from one season to the next (and no, those are not all kids who've reclassed).

The Crabs 2014 team went undefeated during their HS club careers, but lost games with different rosters during the MS years. Several of them were not on the team then.

You'll see a different Crabs team in the fall (and no, it will not be just because of kids who've reclassed).

Congratulations on your Super Bowl win. You were the better team today.

Despite your parenthetical denials, the majority of Crabs teams do become made up of primarily holdback kids with the majority moving at end of 8th grade. The team and their MiAA schools encourage it. It will catch up with them as more and more tourneys go combo age and grade like Denver did. Then the Crabs historical advantage will be over. In the mean time, everyone knows their game and don't really see them as champions or view them with respect.

Incorrect. Look at Crabs 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017, for example. The majority of those are not holdbacks. Not even close.

Originally Posted by Crabbiedad

Congrats Team 91. They are phenomenal team that put on clinic today with behind back feeds and scores on multiple occassions. We clearly were not same team as first time and that was certainly due to some of holdbacks but more to do with they played bad lacrosse today. Our holdbacks don't account for 11 goals. We caught Team 91 a little down at the beach, probably a little over confident as well. 10-6 beginning of first half and we fell asleep with soft D, weak slides, strange middy lines and allowed them to go on 6 point run. We knew they are better team but our boys could have kept that game with in 3-5 goals. Turned ball over with poor passing and throwing five times. Can't do that. No physicality or hustle for ground balls. We can draw conclusions about what are team is without holdbacks and we think they are as good and compete with any team in the country. They are inconsistent like many 13 year old boys. Team 91 Crush is the most dominant club team at any age group for years. They often bump up and smoke good 2019 teams. Watched them beat Hawks 2019 team like a dog. As far as remainder of teams Crabs is very strong team. This is all practice for high school and we are proud of the little Crabs. Many of our boys will now put the stick down and slide on football pads and soccer cleats. It's not an excuse, it's a reality. Very difficult to compete against kids/club that are laxers all year long. Team 91 is best 13 year olds in the world. Incredible to watch.

This Team 91 team is good, but nowhere near as dominant as the 2017 Turtles were for years. Get some perspective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

looked like they were all smiles after the game.. imagine being 13 and on ESPN2 .. you would have crapped in your cavariccis

I think you are right, glad the kids are smiling. would have loved to see the parents in the stands, back to work for pretzel boy to work the system, i unfortunately feel a trip to Jonestown for the kids who didnt get it done because Ryan thinks the field is level even though it's not. I might have [lacrosse] my pants,will never know. Think you would have done the same thing, the only difference is I would have cleaned myself up

None of the parents should be smiling after being conned into playing in a tournament 1,600 miles away when the teams are only 250 miles from each other. I'm sure they got some nice gear though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the final score?

19-8

The Crabs scored first. At some tournaments (Bay Bridge Brawl), that's all you have to do to claim the Win.

[/quote] Incorrect. Look at Crabs 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017, for example. The majority of those are not holdbacks. Not even close. [/quote]

the MD Lax community is waking up to what the Crabs are about. they are not respected as an organization like they once were. I would expect within the next 5 years, if not sooner, 91 MD and FCA will be the top dogs in the Baltimore area with the Hawks right there as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If crabs get past Rising Sons, what is the over/ under on the 91 - Crabs final? I say 91 wins by 15!

Looks like they got past them just fine, as did 91...lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote] Incorrect. Look at Crabs 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017, for example. The majority of those are not holdbacks. Not even close.

the MD Lax community is waking up to what the Crabs are about. they are not respected as an organization like they once were. I would expect within the next 5 years, if not sooner, 91 MD and FCA will be the top dogs in the Baltimore area with the Hawks right there as well.[/quote]

Um, nope. That's what you're hoping for, but very unlikely. The club has sent more kids to D1 programs than any other. Not going to fade away just because you lost a tournament to them.

I don't have a Crabs kid, but I read this forum, and especially this thread, with amusement. How in the world can you say the "Crabs are average" when they just went through the World Series of Lacrosse undefeated until the championship game, and then lost to the best team in the country? The 8 goals they scored were more than Sons (smoked 20-3) and all the other teams scored combined. Team 91 is definitely the best team in the country, period. Crabs are right behind them. When all the second tier clubs like Hawks, Breakers, FCA, Cannons, etc. catch up and get invited, speak up then. Until then, just stop the nonsense - you may hate them, but calling them average makes you sound like a moron...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a Crabs kid, but I read this forum, and especially this thread, with amusement. How in the world can you say the "Crabs are average" when they just went through the World Series of Lacrosse undefeated until the championship game, and then lost to the best team in the country? The 8 goals they scored were more than Sons (smoked 20-3) and all the other teams scored combined. Team 91 is definitely the best team in the country, period. Crabs are right behind them. When all the second tier clubs like Hawks, Breakers, FCA, Cannons, etc. catch up and get invited, speak up then. Until then, just stop the nonsense - you may hate them, but calling them average makes you sound like a moron...

there was at least another Baltimore team invited, but they declined due to other tournament commitments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Incorrect. Look at Crabs 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017, for example. The majority of those are not holdbacks. Not even close.

the MD Lax community is waking up to what the Crabs are about. they are not respected as an organization like they once were. I would expect within the next 5 years, if not sooner, 91 MD and FCA will be the top dogs in the Baltimore area with the Hawks right there as well.[/quote]

Um, nope. That's what you're hoping for, but very unlikely. The club has sent more kids to D1 programs than any other. Not going to fade away just because you lost a tournament to them. [/quote]

not as unlikely as you think. Crabs arrogance is immeasurable and the lax community is seeing it first hand.

the advertisement 91 put out at the finals will pull Crab players over as well

Get off your high horse. The "second tier" clubs you refer to are at least as talented as the crabs. The crabs won npyll because of one thing - holdbacks. The Hawks took them to the wire in the championship game and I believe the Breakers lost to them in OT in Beach Lax.

If the Crabs fielded the team they did yesterday in Denver - they would not have won the NPYLL or Beach Lax. Without holdbacks they are no better than the rest of the pack. Half that 2020 team will be on the 2021 team anyway...

Glad to see they got what they deserved yesterday - an embarrassing defeat on national TV. 91 was toying with them.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the final score?

19-8

The Crabs scored first. At some tournaments (Bay Bridge Brawl), that's all you have to do to claim the Win.

crabs scored first!? yay!!!!!! so longs they that part of the game.

Crabs just lost to Madlax by 1 goal in the semifinals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a Crabs kid, but I read this forum, and especially this thread, with amusement. How in the world can you say the "Crabs are average" when they just went through the World Series of Lacrosse undefeated until the championship game, and then lost to the best team in the country? The 8 goals they scored were more than Sons (smoked 20-3) and all the other teams scored combined. Team 91 is definitely the best team in the country, period. Crabs are right behind them. When all the second tier clubs like Hawks, Breakers, FCA, Cannons, etc. catch up and get invited, speak up then. Until then, just stop the nonsense - you may hate them, but calling them average makes you sound like a moron...

EXPOSED... When rules are in place, the Crabs are just another good team. If you had a 9/1 cut off rule in place at all tournaments, the crabs would have trouble winning against 3 or 4 clubs in MD and and 3 or 4 in LI. Proven yesterday on National TV.

Crabs losing is always a good thing. Karma is a [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys have zero perspective because you do not have kids who've gone through youth-hs lacrosse.

The Crabs get better every year because they are not sentimental during tryouts. I've seen Crab team that change the roster 50%+ from one season to the next (and no, those are not all kids who've reclassed).

The Crabs 2014 team went undefeated during their HS club careers, but lost games with different rosters during the MS years. Several of them were not on the team then.

You'll see a different Crabs team in the fall (and no, it will not be just because of kids who've reclassed).

Congratulations on your Super Bowl win. You were the better team today.

Despite your parenthetical denials, the majority of Crabs teams do become made up of primarily holdback kids with the majority moving at end of 8th grade. The team and their MiAA schools encourage it. It will catch up with them as more and more tourneys go combo age and grade like Denver did. Then the Crabs historical advantage will be over. In the mean time, everyone knows their game and don't really see them as champions or view them with respect.

Incorrect. Look at Crabs 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017, for example. The majority of those are not holdbacks. Not even close.

Blah blah blah, same BS from you MD holdback reclass clowns. You've been doing this for years... The more you deny it the sadder you sound. Put in a 9/1 cut off and you can't compete, end of story. Everyone knows the truth. I feel bad for the MD kids that ARE age legit and work hard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a Crabs kid, but I read this forum, and especially this thread, with amusement. How in the world can you say the "Crabs are average" when they just went through the World Series of Lacrosse undefeated until the championship game, and then lost to the best team in the country? The 8 goals they scored were more than Sons (smoked 20-3) and all the other teams scored combined. Team 91 is definitely the best team in the country, period. Crabs are right behind them. When all the second tier clubs like Hawks, Breakers, FCA, Cannons, etc. catch up and get invited, speak up then. Until then, just stop the nonsense - you may hate them, but calling them average makes you sound like a moron...

Uhh...some of your second tier clubs could beat the Denver Crabs team with a cut off date. The fact that other teams have tied them this season when they are riddled with holdbacks prove that. And several other teams were invited -the parents just have other priorities than dropping thousands to play the same two teams they play enough already. This was not an elite tournament and it is funny you hunk it was. There was more competition at Young Guns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a Crabs kid, but I read this forum, and especially this thread, with amusement. How in the world can you say the "Crabs are average" when they just went through the World Series of Lacrosse undefeated until the championship game, and then lost to the best team in the country? The 8 goals they scored were more than Sons (smoked 20-3) and all the other teams scored combined. Team 91 is definitely the best team in the country, period. Crabs are right behind them. When all the second tier clubs like Hawks, Breakers, FCA, Cannons, etc. catch up and get invited, speak up then. Until then, just stop the nonsense - you may hate them, but calling them average makes you sound like a moron...

I think the term average would be accurate, let's see them play all of the "2d tier" teams with that same roster and I'm calling BS on you not being a Crab dad, the sentence structure, pompous view of every other club is exactly the same. It is funny they lose one tournament game and you are all of the sudden ashamed to admit to being part of the blue and yellow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a md guy and have to say Losing by 11 goals is a good old fashioned [lacrosse] whoopin. Considering you won in beach lax in OT I think that is enough proof of the holdback factor. In a loss by 11 you can't go with the kids didn't play well. Bottom line is the Crabs are an average organization when they play on an even playing field. Did they have 8 coaches today all looking around and not knowing how to coach without kids physically bigger? It's a Different game coaching kids when everyone is the same age... You can't just pick a kid 18 months older and say go to the goal.
It would be great for youth lacrosse if all tourneys were set up like this and didn't favor the holdbacks.

Hogan...Aloha....NXT...are you reading the recurring theme here? People want grade based with an age cut off. Do that for your tournaments -heck most reasonable parents would even pay more and you don't need the Crabs at your tournaments. There are enough competitive on age teams you would have your tourneys full. Who is going to stand up to King Crabby first?

Hogan has age and grade based divisions and actually enforces them. I'm not sure about Aloha, NXT will never go age based because their teams wouldn't be able to enter their own tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a Crabs kid, but I read this forum, and especially this thread, with amusement. How in the world can you say the "Crabs are average" when they just went through the World Series of Lacrosse undefeated until the championship game, and then lost to the best team in the country? The 8 goals they scored were more than Sons (smoked 20-3) and all the other teams scored combined. Team 91 is definitely the best team in the country, period. Crabs are right behind them. When all the second tier clubs like Hawks, Breakers, FCA, Cannons, etc. catch up and get invited, speak up then. Until then, just stop the nonsense - you may hate them, but calling them average makes you sound like a moron...

Crabs 2020 did not even make it to the semi final at Hershey a few weeks ago, they lost to Edge 10-5 in the quarters. This was probably the Denver team tuning up before the word series. Edge lost to Looney's today in the final at Young Guns.

Without holdbacks, they are a very good team among a group of several.

Uhh...some of your second tier clubs could beat the Denver Crabs team with a cut off date. The fact that other teams have tied them this season when they are riddled with holdbacks prove that. And several other teams were invited -the parents just have other priorities than dropping thousands to play the same two teams they play enough already. This was not an elite tournament and it is funny you hunk it was. There was more competition at Young Guns.

Congrats on a strong showing at YounGunz today, no ships for the "great club", tough week in Crabbie nation, was nice seeing the blue crabs,who finally played in the correct division, getting tossed around also. good day to be wearing any other colors

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a md guy and have to say Losing by 11 goals is a good old fashioned [lacrosse] whoopin. Considering you won in beach lax in OT I think that is enough proof of the holdback factor. In a loss by 11 you can't go with the kids didn't play well. Bottom line is the Crabs are an average organization when they play on an even playing field. Did they have 8 coaches today all looking around and not knowing how to coach without kids physically bigger? It's a Different game coaching kids when everyone is the same age... You can't just pick a kid 18 months older and say go to the goal.
It would be great for youth lacrosse if all tourneys were set up like this and didn't favor the holdbacks.

Hogan...Aloha....NXT...are you reading the recurring theme here? People want grade based with an age cut off. Do that for your tournaments -heck most reasonable parents would even pay more and you don't need the Crabs at your tournaments. There are enough competitive on age teams you would have your tourneys full. Who is going to stand up to King Crabby first?

Hogan has age and grade based divisions and actually enforces them. I'm not sure about Aloha, NXT will never go age based because their teams wouldn't be able to enter their own tournaments

After some antics at summer exposure last year, hello Jesters, seems like Hogan took age restrictions much more seriously this year, kudos to them and I hope more follow in their footsteps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats on a strong showing at YounGunz today, no ships for the "great club", tough week in Crabbie nation, was nice seeing the blue crabs,who finally played in the correct division, getting tossed around also. good day to be wearing any other colors

You have some serious issues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a Crabs kid, but I read this forum, and especially this thread, with amusement. How in the world can you say the "Crabs are average" when they just went through the World Series of Lacrosse undefeated until the championship game, and then lost to the best team in the country? The 8 goals they scored were more than Sons (smoked 20-3) and all the other teams scored combined. Team 91 is definitely the best team in the country, period. Crabs are right behind them. When all the second tier clubs like Hawks, Breakers, FCA, Cannons, etc. catch up and get invited, speak up then. Until then, just stop the nonsense - you may hate them, but calling them average makes you sound like a moron...

Reposting this since my original response got buried in the nested quote jumble...

Crabs 2020 did not even make it to the semi final at Hershey a few weeks ago, they lost to Edge 10-5 in the quarters. This was probably the Denver team tuning up before the Word Series. Edge lost to Looney's today in the final at Young Guns.

Without holdbacks, they are a very good team among several in Baltimore.

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

In MD - Hawks, FCA, and Looneys.

LI - express and legacy tax

All the Crabs victories are tainted, can't judge a single one as being fair!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Easy..Crabs team two weeks ago at Beach Lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Any 2020 team would take the field and play the game-they are 13 year old boys (well most of them were) who were on tv. Big whoop-they were not being asked to sing and dance or do anything they have not done a thousand times. The almighty Crabs deserve kudos for being on television?-seriously, we have no idea what you want those boys coddled for now. Since it sounds like Edge beat them prettily easily in Hershey, maybe they could have gone. Or.... Maybe Looneys who beat Edge today who beat Crabs at Hershey. Play in Baltimore without your overage kids and there will be at least 4-5 teams who would beat Crabs as well as quite a few Long Island teams. You are just lucky that the commentators did not tell the viewers all the controversy and how the Crabs really operate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In MD - Hawks, FCA, and Looneys.

LI - express and legacy tax

All the Crabs victories are tainted, can't judge a single one as being fair!

Thats a good one given recent history. Keep trying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In MD - Hawks, FCA, and Looneys.

LI - express and legacy tax

All the Crabs victories are tainted, can't judge a single one as being fair!

Thats a good one given recent history. Keep trying

Yes, I think it is.

Express can probably beat any of the MD teams.

The Hawks took them to OT in the NPYLL championship, and a couple of kids who played in the spring could not go to Denver.

Breakers took them to OT at beach lax and the crabs had to send in the 2019's to "rescue" the game.

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In MD - Hawks, FCA, and Looneys.

LI - express and legacy tax

All the Crabs victories are tainted, can't judge a single one as being fair!

Thats a good one given recent history. Keep trying

Crabs 2020 are cordially invited to replay their season with no holdbacks of any type. Bring your Denver team on the road. Crush, Express, Edge, Hawks, Breakers and Looneys would all beat the team that went to Denver and probably several others. More than 80% of the goals scored at BeachLax in your Hawks, Breakers and Crush games were by kids not in Denver. Stop hiding behind the holdbacks and prove everyone wrong like you were going to do in Denver. Would agree with the poster above that Crabs is tainted for years to come. We all just laugh when your overage, oversize players strut onto the field. Nobody cares if you win anymore because it is all a farce.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

91 could have run up the score a bit more, except Crabs was holding the ball at the end. First time I've see a losing team run out the clock!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Duh...they improve dramatically because the holdbacks kick in. That's what we've been saying all along. Yes they are successful, but only by gaming the system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats on a strong showing at YounGunz today, no ships for the "great club", tough week in Crabbie nation, was nice seeing the blue crabs,who finally played in the correct division, getting tossed around also. good day to be wearing any other colors

You have some serious issues.

Really, what might those issues be. I would love for someone who supports an organization that cheats, bends rules, does whatever is takes to win at the youth level to enlighten me as to my problems. Go on Squidward, do tell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

and why is that?!? Because their players are all older than their counterparts,and their parents/coaches lack ethics. Fact.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

then why didn't they win a single division at youngunz today. The MS teams change dramatically because of recruiting the better kids away from other programs, not because of superior coaching or some magic formula the crabs. If you think otherwise, tell me how many of their high school kids over the years have been homegrown. It is about amassing talent, not growing it. Those recruiting successes should be shared with the clubs where the kids learn there fundamentals. Show me the facts, if you know any

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

Teams change because kids keep repeating grades and you play I grade based league and tournaments. Crabs are frauds living off of a tarnished reputation.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Duh...they improve dramatically because the holdbacks kick in. That's what we've been saying all along. Yes they are successful, but only by gaming the system.

No holdbacks in Denver, Einstein - they checked birth certificates and transcripts. Where did you watch the game from? I'm sure it wasn't the sidelines, was it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Duh...they improve dramatically because the holdbacks kick in. That's what we've been saying all along. Yes they are successful, but only by gaming the system.

No holdbacks in Denver, Einstein - they checked birth certificates and transcripts. Where did you watch the game from? I'm sure it wasn't the sidelines, was it?

Before you get in deeper. You do realize the Sept 1 cutoff was dropped to May 1 for this yournament,,You do know what that means...Crabs had players that were still holdbacks, How many ?? only someone privy to Crabs rooster would know. But the Crabs obviously had some. May 1 to Aug 31 ( 4 months) would be holdback/prefirst land to the rest of Maryland's Sept 1 kids that started school on time..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

FCA tied Crabs and they only lost to 91 12-5. If you don't think they are good just watch Them next year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Duh...they improve dramatically because the holdbacks kick in. That's what we've been saying all along. Yes they are successful, but only by gaming the system.

No holdbacks in Denver, Einstein - they checked birth certificates and transcripts. Where did you watch the game from? I'm sure it wasn't the sidelines, was it?

Before you get in deeper. You do realize the Sept 1 cutoff was dropped to May 1 for this yournament,,You do know what that means...Crabs had players that were still holdbacks, How many ?? only someone privy to Crabs rooster would know. But the Crabs obviously had some. May 1 to Aug 31 ( 4 months) would be holdback/prefirst land to the rest of Maryland's Sept 1 kids that started school on time..

"Before you get in deeper" makes me laugh. Yes, oh wise one, I think everyone with a pair of eyes and ears is quite aware that the cutoff was set - FOR EVERY TEAM IN THE TOURNEY - at May 1. EVEN PLAYING FIELD, depending on what you choose to do. Last time I checked, they didn't say "Crabs, May 1 - everyone else, Sept 1". 100% fact for you - ALL of the teams had some players with birthdays prior to Sept 1, and none had players born prior to May 1. C2C Dallas had several - see how much that helped them? 30-0 - ouch...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Duh...they improve dramatically because the holdbacks kick in. That's what we've been saying all along. Yes they are successful, but only by gaming the system.

No holdbacks in Denver, Einstein - they checked birth certificates and transcripts. Where did you watch the game from? I'm sure it wasn't the sidelines, was it?

This makes no sense, what are you responding to? Have another natty bo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

Ok, crush , express, looney's, tomahawks, and edge - an age appropriate crabs team still does not crack top 5, and struggles to make top 7!

Birth certificates - the great equalizer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Duh...they improve dramatically because the holdbacks kick in. That's what we've been saying all along. Yes they are successful, but only by gaming the system.

No holdbacks in Denver, Einstein - they checked birth certificates and transcripts. Where did you watch the game from? I'm sure it wasn't the sidelines, was it?

This makes no sense, what are you responding to? Have another natty bo.

This thread is very entertaining. I'm curious what doesn't make sense in the previous post? It looks like (and correctly so) he/she said that all ages were verified in the Denver tournament in accordance with the tournament rules - everyone is on an equal playing field with no opportunity to "slip something past someone". If a team chooses to play younger kids, so be it, but everyone is given equal opportunity to play boys born on or after May 1. The previous poster had mentioned hold backs, and it looks like the response was to that post. Maybe you are actually the one who has gone too deep into the 18 pack of PBR if you can't understand it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

FCA tied Crabs and they only lost to 91 12-5. If you don't think they are good just watch Them next year

Well, let's see - this summer, Crabs won Beach Lax and Hawks won MD Invitational. I've been watching them - they're fine. Not exceptional, just fine - like many other teams in the area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

Ok, crush , express, looney's, tomahawks, and edge - an age appropriate crabs team still does not crack top 5, and struggles to make top 7!

Birth certificates - the great equalizer!

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th

The only reason to mention crabs in the same sentence as T91 is because they were the team that got DESTROYED on national TV. Hawks went 4-1 and Looneys won the the whole thing. If fatty crabby had his 2020 at the tournament - how many holdbacks would have been on the team? 2019 players playing down? We all know the answer to that....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

FCA tied Crabs and they only lost to 91 12-5. If you don't think they are good just watch Them next year

Crabbie-check your facts. Hawks and Breakers both tied Crabs last month and needed to go to OT. And that was the turbo charged Crabs team with the 2019s along with the prior year holdbacks. Put the Denver team up against them, Crabs would not dominate. Believe one of them also had a better spread against 91 than the Crabs did in Denver. Playing without holdbacks, the Crabs Are not a force. You are definitely not in the same league as Crush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

FCA tied Crabs and they only lost to 91 12-5. If you don't think they are good just watch Them next year

Crabbie-check your facts. Hawks and Breakers both tied Crabs last month and needed to go to OT. And that was the turbo charged Crabs team with the 2019s along with the prior year holdbacks. Put the Denver team up against them, Crabs would not dominate. Believe one of them also had a better spread against 91 than the Crabs did in Denver. Playing without holdbacks, the Crabs Are not a force. You are definitely not in the same league as Crush.

No one said they were in the same league. But - like it or not, the two teams who went undefeated and ended up first in their divisions and went into the Championship were Crabs and Crush. Clearly none of the other teams are in the same league as Crush, because they were left back at home. As a matter of fact, I guess only one team WAS in that league - Crabs - since they were there. Playing against Crush. In that league. An age appropriate team as a matter of fact. Won every game except the one against Crush - where they 100% got beaten, badly. And so would have EVERY other team that has been mentioned. The Crabs are a force. Team 91 Crush is supernaturally good - BY FAR the best team in the nation. Hawks, Breakers, Looneys, Express, all would ALSO have been DESTROYED by Crush. Anyone who says differently is an absolute head case and belongs in an insane asylum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

Ok, crush , express, looney's, tomahawks, and edge - an age appropriate crabs team still does not crack top 5, and struggles to make top 7!

Birth certificates - the great equalizer!

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th

Wellll, good for you and way to keep youth sports in their proper context. I was glad to see the Crabs humbled yesterday, now just wishing for some humility from the Island....the Cobra Kai rhetoric is old and outdated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

FCA tied Crabs and they only lost to 91 12-5. If you don't think they are good just watch Them next year

Crabbie-check your facts. Hawks and Breakers both tied Crabs last month and needed to go to OT. And that was the turbo charged Crabs team with the 2019s along with the prior year holdbacks. Put the Denver team up against them, Crabs would not dominate. Believe one of them also had a better spread against 91 than the Crabs did in Denver. Playing without holdbacks, the Crabs Are not a force. You are definitely not in the same league as Crush.

And they both lost in OT, didn't they? None of them had a better spread against Crush, check your facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only reason to mention crabs in the same sentence as T91 is because they were the team that got DESTROYED on national TV. Hawks went 4-1 and Looneys won the the whole thing. If fatty crabby had his 2020 at the tournament - how many holdbacks would have been on the team? 2019 players playing down? We all know the answer to that....

While you watched from home, right?

It's absolutely insane how everyone brings up one or two games in the past - "Hawks almost beat you once this year" ", "remember when we went into OT - so close", "we beat that team that you beat by almost as much as you beat them by", "remember back in 99 when I almost had that game winning goal, except I shot it wide right 5 seconds after the whistle blew". Comical. Not horseshoes, guys. Almost doesn't count. Consistency, history, record - that does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given recent history? What don't you get? When it's a level playing field (no Holdbacks) you are no better than the Breakers, Hawks, FCA, Loonies, etc. All of your wins are tainted by holdbacks. How do you explain beating 91 at beach lax and then getting destroyed by them yesterday. You know darn well they could have run up the score even further. Embarrassed on National TV and did not win one championship at their own tournment. Bad weekend for fat daddy crabby paddy.

You are looking at only one grade/team. Even if you ignore the fact that Crabs' MS teams improve/change dramatically by the time they get to HS, the Crabs organization top to bottom is unmatched in terms of quality of teams fielded/recruiting successes. Get the facts.

Duh...they improve dramatically because the holdbacks kick in. That's what we've been saying all along. Yes they are successful, but only by gaming the system.

No holdbacks in Denver, Einstein - they checked birth certificates and transcripts. Where did you watch the game from? I'm sure it wasn't the sidelines, was it?

Before you get in deeper. You do realize the Sept 1 cutoff was dropped to May 1 for this yournament,,You do know what that means...Crabs had players that were still holdbacks, How many ?? only someone privy to Crabs rooster would know. But the Crabs obviously had some. May 1 to Aug 31 ( 4 months) would be holdback/prefirst land to the rest of Maryland's Sept 1 kids that started school on time..

"Before you get in deeper" makes me laugh. Yes, oh wise one, I think everyone with a pair of eyes and ears is quite aware that the cutoff was set - FOR EVERY TEAM IN THE TOURNEY - at May 1. EVEN PLAYING FIELD, depending on what you choose to do. Last time I checked, they didn't say "Crabs, May 1 - everyone else, Sept 1". 100% fact for you - ALL of the teams had some players with birthdays prior to Sept 1, and none had players born prior to May 1. C2C Dallas had several - see how much that helped them? 30-0 - ouch...

But not every team was on equal grounds as you say ..oh wise one .. You still had to be in the proper grade...And follow this wise one...if you are a age based team with kids starting school at usual start date you dont have holdbacks..GET IT... You need to be a team or from an area that has holdbacks/prefirsts..You cant just add them from other teams in your organazation due to age. They must be in right grade too...GOT THAT ONE wiseone!! Age was an advantage for the teams that could pull holdbacks/prefirsts...Hopefully that is not to hard to follow .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs lost 19-8 and the Crab Hate Nation is jumping for joy. Fine -- I get that. However, can someone really say with a straight face that there is another 2020 team in the US that would have had a better showing on national TV (with all the pressure) against Crush? Humor me�.name some teams. Im dying to know who these "above average" teams are.

Express
Looney's
Edge - beat crabs 10-5 at Hershey
Tomahawks - have no idea who they are but they won at Hershey.
Hawks and Breakers - who both took Crabs to OT with their holdbacks,
Probably FCA too

Without holdbacks, Crabs would likely have a tough time breaking into the top 5. I can see it now, all of the self-important Crabs parents brimming with pride at being #6.

Well, unfortunately, all of those teams were sitting at home watching the games on TV, for good reason. They just played in an age and grade based tournament against the best teams in the nation, and lost one game to the truly best team in the nation, Team 91. FCA 2020 is NOT good, don't even mention them in the same breath as Crabs and Team 91. Edge And Looney's are the only two that are maybe in the same league, but Hawks were not impressive this weekend at Young Guns.at all, and Breakers were just OK. Let's snap back to reality - you clearly are out of touch...

Ok, crush , express, looney's, tomahawks, and edge - an age appropriate crabs team still does not crack top 5, and struggles to make top 7!

Birth certificates - the great equalizer!

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th

Let's stay on topic. You are talking top 5 at a made for TV feel good event at which some of the teams there were not even the best teams in their respective regions.

I am talking about top 5 overall in the context of an age appropriate crabs team. In that scenario age appropriate crabs vs crush, express, edge, tomahawks, or looneys, crabs lose.

Fact - crabs needed normal allotment of holdback to beat Hawks in OT in NPYLL
Fact - crabs needed 2019s to beat breakers and 91 in OT at beach lax
Fact - presumably age appropriate Crabs did not make the semifinals at Hershey, they got beaten by edge 10-5!
Fact - age appropriate crabs got smoked in Denver by the same team they beat at beach lax.

Without holdbacks they are just another good team but not even second best.

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th [/quote]

Let's stay on topic. You are talking top 5 at a made for TV feel good event at which some of the teams there were not even the best teams in their respective regions.

I am talking about top 5 overall in the context of an age appropriate crabs team. In that scenario age appropriate crabs vs crush, express, edge, tomahawks, or looneys, crabs lose.

Fact - crabs needed normal allotment of holdback to beat Hawks in OT in NPYLL
Fact - crabs needed 2019s to beat breakers and 91 in OT at beach lax
Fact - presumably age appropriate Crabs did not make the semifinals at Hershey, they got beaten by edge 10-5!
Fact - age appropriate crabs got smoked in Denver by the same team they beat at beach lax.

Without holdbacks they are just another good team but not even second best.[/quote]

Please don't get ridiculous and now say that it was a feel good event and the right teams weren't there, that's getting pathetic. None of those are facts, because "needed" is your opinion. The only "facts" were in the above post - Crabs and 91 were there, the others weren't. Crabs and 91 were undefeated and met in the finals. 91 won. 91 would have smoked Hawks (who got smoke by Looneys today 5-0). 91 would have smoked Breakers (who got beaten by Edge today in the semis). Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Oh, and I'm not even a Crabs parent. In fact, I'm not a fan of them at all. I am realistic, though, and I've watched every team you mention when my kids play against or with them. Sometimes they have flashes of brilliance, but none can even carry 91's bags...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th

Let's stay on topic. You are talking top 5 at a made for TV feel good event at which some of the teams there were not even the best teams in their respective regions.

I am talking about top 5 overall in the context of an age appropriate crabs team. In that scenario age appropriate crabs vs crush, express, edge, tomahawks, or looneys, crabs lose.

Fact - crabs needed normal allotment of holdback to beat Hawks in OT in NPYLL
Fact - crabs needed 2019s to beat breakers and 91 in OT at beach lax
Fact - presumably age appropriate Crabs did not make the semifinals at Hershey, they got beaten by edge 10-5!
Fact - age appropriate crabs got smoked in Denver by the same team they beat at beach lax.

Without holdbacks they are just another good team but not even second best.[/quote]

Please don't get ridiculous and now say that it was a feel good event and the right teams weren't there, that's getting pathetic. None of those are facts, because "needed" is your opinion. The only "facts" were in the above post - Crabs and 91 were there, the others weren't. Crabs and 91 were undefeated and met in the finals. 91 won. 91 would have smoked Hawks (who got smoke by Looneys today 5-0). 91 would have smoked Breakers (who got beaten by Edge today in the semis). Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Oh, and I'm not even a Crabs parent. In fact, I'm not a fan of them at all. I am realistic, though, and I've watched every team you mention when my kids play against or with them. Sometimes they have flashes of brilliance, but none can even carry 91's bags... [/quote]

you sound a little like a fan.....little bit, little bit The Crabs were there with a false resume, I think is the point that people are trying to make, to not see that point makes you look and sound like a fan

"Before you get in deeper" makes me laugh. Yes, oh wise one, I think everyone with a pair of eyes and ears is quite aware that the cutoff was set - FOR EVERY TEAM IN THE TOURNEY - at May 1. EVEN PLAYING FIELD, depending on what you choose to do. Last time I checked, they didn't say "Crabs, May 1 - everyone else, Sept 1". 100% fact for you - ALL of the teams had some players with birthdays prior to Sept 1, and none had players born prior to May 1. C2C Dallas had several - see how much that helped them? 30-0 - ouch... [/quote]

But not every team was on equal grounds as you say ..oh wise one .. You still had to be in the proper grade...And follow this wise one...if you are a age based team with kids starting school at usual start date you dont have holdbacks..GET IT... You need to be a team or from an area that has holdbacks/prefirsts..You cant just add them from other teams in your organazation due to age. They must be in right grade too...GOT THAT ONE wiseone!! Age was an advantage for the teams that could pull holdbacks/prefirsts...Hopefully that is not to hard to follow . [/quote]

Clearly, I am wiser than you, as you're an absolute fool. The fact that every team was not on equal grounds, if that was the case, since I doubt you were out there checking birth certificates and your son was not out there playing, is no one's problem. You pull what you pull, if anyone actually did, and everyone is on EQUAL GROUND. If I tell you you can start your race with all the others at lap 2 and you're idiotic enough to start at lap 1, sucks for you. Hopefully THAT'S not too hard to follow. You make your own bed, don't be afraid to lie in it. Here's a funny - Charlie, the Crabs' leading scorer, first place in the fastest shot contest, the one the commentators kept talking about? He's a young 7th grader. He's also 6'3", but I guess God helped him cheat by making him big and strong and fast, right? LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th

Let's stay on topic. You are talking top 5 at a made for TV feel good event at which some of the teams there were not even the best teams in their respective regions.

I am talking about top 5 overall in the context of an age appropriate crabs team. In that scenario age appropriate crabs vs crush, express, edge, tomahawks, or looneys, crabs lose.

Fact - crabs needed normal allotment of holdback to beat Hawks in OT in NPYLL
Fact - crabs needed 2019s to beat breakers and 91 in OT at beach lax
Fact - presumably age appropriate Crabs did not make the semifinals at Hershey, they got beaten by edge 10-5!
Fact - age appropriate crabs got smoked in Denver by the same team they beat at beach lax.

Without holdbacks they are just another good team but not even second best.

Please don't get ridiculous and now say that it was a feel good event and the right teams weren't there, that's getting pathetic. None of those are facts, because "needed" is your opinion. The only "facts" were in the above post - Crabs and 91 were there, the others weren't. Crabs and 91 were undefeated and met in the finals. 91 won. 91 would have smoked Hawks (who got smoke by Looneys today 5-0). 91 would have smoked Breakers (who got beaten by Edge today in the semis). Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Oh, and I'm not even a Crabs parent. In fact, I'm not a fan of them at all. I am realistic, though, and I've watched every team you mention when my kids play against or with them. Sometimes they have flashes of brilliance, but none can even carry 91's bags... [/quote]

you sound a little like a fan.....little bit, little bit The Crabs were there with a false resume, I think is the point that people are trying to make, to not see that point makes you look and sound like a fan[/quote]

No, I don't think that's the point they were making - if they were, they articulated it very poorly, Bobby. Every team mentioned has holdbacks - they're all full of it. Crabs did win all their divisional and playoff games though, fake resume or not, with the players that were there. No one can beat Crush though...

in the proper grade...And follow this wise one...if you are a age based team with kids starting school at usual start date you dont have holdbacks..GET IT... You need to be a team or from an area that has holdbacks/prefirsts..You cant just add them from other teams in your organazation due to age. They must be in right grade too...GOT THAT ONE wiseone!! Age was an advantage for the teams that could pull holdbacks/prefirsts...Hopefully that is not to hard to follow . [/quote]

Every state in the country allows you to start your kids late if you choose. Every state in the country also has schools in which your child may be held back, if you choose. Not sure why you'd choose that, but yours is not a valid argument, unfortunately.

Great final games at Young Guns.

2019AA: Madlax over Edge 9-8
2020AA: Looney�s over Edge 7-6
2021AA: Igloo over Rising Sons 9-3
2022AA: Annapolis Hawks over Diamondbacks 6-4

Rough day for Edge.

I wonder when was the last time the host Crabs did not make the finals in any age for their own tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I'm a md guy and have to say Losing by 11 goals is a good old fashioned [lacrosse] whoopin. Considering you won in beach lax in OT I think that is enough proof of the holdback factor. In a loss by 11 you can't go with the kids didn't play well. Bottom line is the Crabs are an average organization when they play on an even playing field. Did they have 8 coaches today all looking around and not knowing how to coach without kids physically bigger? It's a Different game coaching kids when everyone is the same age... You can't just pick a kid 18 months older and say go to the goal.
It would be great for youth lacrosse if all tourneys were set up like this and didn't favor the holdbacks.

Hogan...Aloha....NXT...are you reading the recurring theme here? People want grade based with an age cut off. Do that for your tournaments -heck most reasonable parents would even pay more and you don't need the Crabs at your tournaments. There are enough competitive on age teams you would have your tourneys full. Who is going to stand up to King Crabby first?

Hogan has age and grade based divisions and actually enforces them. I'm not sure about Aloha, NXT will never go age based because their teams wouldn't be able to enter their own tournaments

After some antics at summer exposure last year, hello Jesters, seems like Hogan took age restrictions much more seriously this year, kudos to them and I hope more follow in their footsteps. [/quot

Jesters never played in that tournament. What are you talking about??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th

Let's stay on topic. You are talking top 5 at a made for TV feel good event at which some of the teams there were not even the best teams in their respective regions.

I am talking about top 5 overall in the context of an age appropriate crabs team. In that scenario age appropriate crabs vs crush, express, edge, tomahawks, or looneys, crabs lose.

Fact - crabs needed normal allotment of holdback to beat Hawks in OT in NPYLL
Fact - crabs needed 2019s to beat breakers and 91 in OT at beach lax
Fact - presumably age appropriate Crabs did not make the semifinals at Hershey, they got beaten by edge 10-5!
Fact - age appropriate crabs got smoked in Denver by the same team they beat at beach lax.

Without holdbacks they are just another good team but not even second best.[/quote]

Please don't get ridiculous and now say that it was a feel good event and the right teams weren't there, that's getting pathetic. None of those are facts, because "needed" is your opinion. The only "facts" were in the above post - Crabs and 91 were there, the others weren't. Crabs and 91 were undefeated and met in the finals. 91 won. 91 would have smoked Hawks (who got smoke by Looneys today 5-0). 91 would have smoked Breakers (who got beaten by Edge today in the semis). Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Oh, and I'm not even a Crabs parent. In fact, I'm not a fan of them at all. I am realistic, though, and I've watched every team you mention when my kids play against or with them. Sometimes they have flashes of brilliance, but none can even carry 91's bags...[/quote]

The point is not who can carry 91s bags. Think everyone agrees 91 is the dominant team in 2020 and has been for years. They work harder than most of the others and are not in the same league. The point is that the Crabs team without their holdbacks is no better than many other 2020 teams. Any of the teams mentioned above would have gone through the preliminary rounds the same way - there was no competition in Denver. The competition was at the Young Guns tournament that Crabs and 91 were signed up for before the Denver opportunity came up. And Denver was not an elite invite only tournament - other teams were invited and turned it down similar to the way they turn Dicks National down each year. Not all families are interested in the expenditure for 12 & 13 year old lacrosse and have other priorities. We are all sure it was a great experience for the boys who went but do not assume others were not invited.

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

Crabs and 91 were obvious choices to participate in Denver - both have successful reputations in the lacrosse community. The Crabs also have their holdback MO - but that's another story.

If there are regionals to make it to Denver next year I would have to think those teams trying to get there are going to have follow the same age restrictions that were in place this time. That means the Crabs are going to have to field on age teams to get through the qualification process. Needless to say - that poses a problem for the Crabs.

With age restrictions in place - Breakers, FCA, MadLax, Hawks, Loonies are all contenders to represent the midatlantic.

In addition, if this tournament is going to survive they are going to have to find some real competition outside of the midatlantic and LI to participate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th

Let's stay on topic. You are talking top 5 at a made for TV feel good event at which some of the teams there were not even the best teams in their respective regions.

I am talking about top 5 overall in the context of an age appropriate crabs team. In that scenario age appropriate crabs vs crush, express, edge, tomahawks, or looneys, crabs lose.

Fact - crabs needed normal allotment of holdback to beat Hawks in OT in NPYLL
Fact - crabs needed 2019s to beat breakers and 91 in OT at beach lax
Fact - presumably age appropriate Crabs did not make the semifinals at Hershey, they got beaten by edge 10-5!
Fact - age appropriate crabs got smoked in Denver by the same team they beat at beach lax.

Without holdbacks they are just another good team but not even second best.

Please don't get ridiculous and now say that it was a feel good event and the right teams weren't there, that's getting pathetic. None of those are facts, because "needed" is your opinion. The only "facts" were in the above post - Crabs and 91 were there, the others weren't. Crabs and 91 were undefeated and met in the finals. 91 won. 91 would have smoked Hawks (who got smoke by Looneys today 5-0). 91 would have smoked Breakers (who got beaten by Edge today in the semis). Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Oh, and I'm not even a Crabs parent. In fact, I'm not a fan of them at all. I am realistic, though, and I've watched every team you mention when my kids play against or with them. Sometimes they have flashes of brilliance, but none can even carry 91's bags...[/quote]

The point is not who can carry 91s bags. Think everyone agrees 91 is the dominant team in 2020 and has been for years. They work harder than most of the others and are not in the same league. The point is that the Crabs team without their holdbacks is no better than many other 2020 teams. Any of the teams mentioned above would have gone through the preliminary rounds the same way - there was no competition in Denver. The competition was at the Young Guns tournament that Crabs and 91 were signed up for before the Denver opportunity came up. And Denver was not an elite invite only tournament - other teams were invited and turned it down similar to the way they turn Dicks National down each year. Not all families are interested in the expenditure for 12 & 13 year old lacrosse and have other priorities. We are all sure it was a great experience for the boys who went but do not assume others were not invited.

No, the other teams mentioned would not have gone through it the same way - I was there at Young Guns this weekend, and I watched all of those 2020 teams mentioned while my son was playing, and they definitely are not the same caliber. The tourney was nothing special at the 2020 level, unfortunately. Sure as heck not even CLOSE to the level of play I saw on TV with those 2 teams. And those teams weren't invited - please don't imply that they were and declined.
[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's absolutely insane how everyone brings up one or two games in the past - "Hawks almost beat you once this year" ", "remember when we went into OT - so close", "we beat that team that you beat by almost as much as you beat them by", "remember back in 99 when I almost had that game winning goal, except I shot it wide right 5 seconds after the whistle blew". Comical. Not horseshoes, guys. Almost doesn't count. Consistency, history, record - that does.

So in 99 you went into OT also, who won?...you're right, it's not horseshoes, it's youth lacrosse that is played on an uneven field and has been for years, that is your consistency, your history, your record. You win all of the time because of your system, people in Maryland know it and more or less accept because it the structure we are forced to play in. Don't pretend for one minute that many of the local teams wouldn't be as good or better if the ages were leveled out. If you just won quietly and with some dignity, people would not have started dancing in the streets at halftime of the debacle on Saturday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I'm a md guy and have to say Losing by 11 goals is a good old fashioned [lacrosse] whoopin. Considering you won in beach lax in OT I think that is enough proof of the holdback factor. In a loss by 11 you can't go with the kids didn't play well. Bottom line is the Crabs are an average organization when they play on an even playing field. Did they have 8 coaches today all looking around and not knowing how to coach without kids physically bigger? It's a Different game coaching kids when everyone is the same age... You can't just pick a kid 18 months older and say go to the goal.
It would be great for youth lacrosse if all tourneys were set up like this and didn't favor the holdbacks.

Hogan...Aloha....NXT...are you reading the recurring theme here? People want grade based with an age cut off. Do that for your tournaments -heck most reasonable parents would even pay more and you don't need the Crabs at your tournaments. There are enough competitive on age teams you would have your tourneys full. Who is going to stand up to King Crabby first?

Hogan has age and grade based divisions and actually enforces them. I'm not sure about Aloha, NXT will never go age based because their teams wouldn't be able to enter their own tournaments

After some antics at summer exposure last year, hello Jesters, seems like Hogan took age restrictions much more seriously this year, kudos to them and I hope more follow in their footsteps. [/quot

Jesters never played in that tournament. What are you talking about??

My mistake, it was the Threshers, sorry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and 91 were obvious choices to participate in Denver - both have successful reputations in the lacrosse community. The Crabs also have their holdback MO - but that's another story.

If there are regionals to make it to Denver next year I would have to think those teams trying to get there are going to have follow the same age restrictions that were in place this time. That means the Crabs are going to have to field on age teams to get through the qualification process. Needless to say - that poses a problem for the Crabs.

With age restrictions in place - Breakers, FCA, MadLax, Hawks, Loonies are all contenders to represent the midatlantic.

In addition, if this tournament is going to survive they are going to have to find some real competition outside of the midatlantic and LI to participate.

Very interesting...next year it will be the 2021s. If the crabs have to send an age-appropriate team through regional qualifying they will struggle, the team did not make the playoffs at beach lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great final games at Young Guns.

2019AA: Madlax over Edge 9-8
2020AA: Looney�s over Edge 7-6
2021AA: Igloo over Rising Sons 9-3
2022AA: Annapolis Hawks over Diamondbacks 6-4

Rough day for Edge.

I wonder when was the last time the host Crabs did not make the finals in any age for their own tournament.

I saw a couple of Edge games and I would like to say that I was impressed. In the past they have been borderline thugs, compensating for skills with sheer brutality. Did not see any of that this time, they played good clean competitive lacrosse, hope that continues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th

Let's stay on topic. You are talking top 5 at a made for TV feel good event at which some of the teams there were not even the best teams in their respective regions.

I am talking about top 5 overall in the context of an age appropriate crabs team. In that scenario age appropriate crabs vs crush, express, edge, tomahawks, or looneys, crabs lose.

Fact - crabs needed normal allotment of holdback to beat Hawks in OT in NPYLL
Fact - crabs needed 2019s to beat breakers and 91 in OT at beach lax
Fact - presumably age appropriate Crabs did not make the semifinals at Hershey, they got beaten by edge 10-5!
Fact - age appropriate crabs got smoked in Denver by the same team they beat at beach lax.

Without holdbacks they are just another good team but not even second best.

Please don't get ridiculous and now say that it was a feel good event and the right teams weren't there, that's getting pathetic. None of those are facts, because "needed" is your opinion. The only "facts" were in the above post - Crabs and 91 were there, the others weren't. Crabs and 91 were undefeated and met in the finals. 91 won. 91 would have smoked Hawks (who got smoke by Looneys today 5-0). 91 would have smoked Breakers (who got beaten by Edge today in the semis). Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Oh, and I'm not even a Crabs parent. In fact, I'm not a fan of them at all. I am realistic, though, and I've watched every team you mention when my kids play against or with them. Sometimes they have flashes of brilliance, but none can even carry 91's bags... [/quote]

you sound a little like a fan.....little bit, little bit The Crabs were there with a false resume, I think is the point that people are trying to make, to not see that point makes you look and sound like a fan [/quote]

Funny, I am a fan! Joe for President!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Nobody is saying that these teams are as good as 91, just that the crabs without holdbacks are no better than the rest of the bunch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I'm a md guy and have to say Losing by 11 goals is a good old fashioned [lacrosse] whoopin. Considering you won in beach lax in OT I think that is enough proof of the holdback factor. In a loss by 11 you can't go with the kids didn't play well. Bottom line is the Crabs are an average organization when they play on an even playing field. Did they have 8 coaches today all looking around and not knowing how to coach without kids physically bigger? It's a Different game coaching kids when everyone is the same age... You can't just pick a kid 18 months older and say go to the goal.
It would be great for youth lacrosse if all tourneys were set up like this and didn't favor the holdbacks.

Hogan...Aloha....NXT...are you reading the recurring theme here? People want grade based with an age cut off. Do that for your tournaments -heck most reasonable parents would even pay more and you don't need the Crabs at your tournaments. There are enough competitive on age teams you would have your tourneys full. Who is going to stand up to King Crabby first?

Hogan has age and grade based divisions and actually enforces them. I'm not sure about Aloha, NXT will never go age based because their teams wouldn't be able to enter their own tournaments

After some antics at summer exposure last year, hello Jesters, seems like Hogan took age restrictions much more seriously this year, kudos to them and I hope more follow in their footsteps. [/quot

Jesters never played in that tournament. What are you talking about??

My mistake, it was the Threshers, sorry.

What happened last year at Exposure, don't think I've heard about this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Again, nobody is saying they are in the same league as Crush - Crush is alone at the top tier and the rest of the teams. But Crabs does not seem to understand that they are certainly not in the same tier as them either. Crabs without their holdbacks are no better than the teams mentioned above and many others. That is what people are telling you - your scores are borderline when you play with holdbacks so you would lose when you play without them. Crabs successful history is built on a holdback platform. "Fact" refers to those other teams having no issue qualifying with their current team roster for any tournament that puts the same requirements forth as Denver did but doubt Crabs will ever realize that since they only enter tournaments without any type of grade/age combination restriction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK - let's try and make this easy to understand. Crush is currently the best 2020 team in the nation, bar none, period. No one can touch them - NO ONE. I don't care what kind of drugs you're on, you will NEVER EVER convince me or most others of anything other than that. However - besides Crush, who Crabs played in the Championship game in the World Series of Lacrosse, also went 3-0 as did Crush. Here is where I need you to stay with me - NONE of the other teams you're mentioning - not LI Express, not, Looneys, not Tomahawks and not Edge, were there. None. Not one. Nada. An age appropriate Crabs team not only cracked top 5, it leapfrogged over them all. Not opinions, facts. Did all of the other teams' invites get lost in the mail? I don't think so. I guarantee that Team 91 Crush would have beaten any of the teams you named by at least 20 if they had been in Denver - I'd bet $10K on it, not a question in my mind. Just in case you need a refresher, these are the final standings:

AMERICAN NATIONAL
Leading Edge - 4th Denver Elite - 3rd
Crabs - 1st Rising Sons - 2nd
3d Colorado - 2nd Team Carolina - 4th
Eclipse - 5th Team 91 Crush - 1st
Michigan Warriors-3rd C2C Dallas - 5th

Let's stay on topic. You are talking top 5 at a made for TV feel good event at which some of the teams there were not even the best teams in their respective regions.

I am talking about top 5 overall in the context of an age appropriate crabs team. In that scenario age appropriate crabs vs crush, express, edge, tomahawks, or looneys, crabs lose.

Fact - crabs needed normal allotment of holdback to beat Hawks in OT in NPYLL
Fact - crabs needed 2019s to beat breakers and 91 in OT at beach lax
Fact - presumably age appropriate Crabs did not make the semifinals at Hershey, they got beaten by edge 10-5!
Fact - age appropriate crabs got smoked in Denver by the same team they beat at beach lax.

Without holdbacks they are just another good team but not even second best.

Please don't get ridiculous and now say that it was a feel good event and the right teams weren't there, that's getting pathetic. None of those are facts, because "needed" is your opinion. The only "facts" were in the above post - Crabs and 91 were there, the others weren't. Crabs and 91 were undefeated and met in the finals. 91 won. 91 would have smoked Hawks (who got smoke by Looneys today 5-0). 91 would have smoked Breakers (who got beaten by Edge today in the semis). Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Oh, and I'm not even a Crabs parent. In fact, I'm not a fan of them at all. I am realistic, though, and I've watched every team you mention when my kids play against or with them. Sometimes they have flashes of brilliance, but none can even carry 91's bags...

you sound a little like a fan.....little bit, little bit The Crabs were there with a false resume, I think is the point that people are trying to make, to not see that point makes you look and sound like a fan [/quote]

Funny, I am a fan! Joe for President! [/quote]

who is Joe

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Before you get in deeper" makes me laugh. Yes, oh wise one, I think everyone with a pair of eyes and ears is quite aware that the cutoff was set - FOR EVERY TEAM IN THE TOURNEY - at May 1. EVEN PLAYING FIELD, depending on what you choose to do. Last time I checked, they didn't say "Crabs, May 1 - everyone else, Sept 1". 100% fact for you - ALL of the teams had some players with birthdays prior to Sept 1, and none had players born prior to May 1. C2C Dallas had several - see how much that helped them? 30-0 - ouch...

But not every team was on equal grounds as you say ..oh wise one .. You still had to be in the proper grade...And follow this wise one...if you are a age based team with kids starting school at usual start date you dont have holdbacks..GET IT... You need to be a team or from an area that has holdbacks/prefirsts..You cant just add them from other teams in your organazation due to age. They must be in right grade too...GOT THAT ONE wiseone!! Age was an advantage for the teams that could pull holdbacks/prefirsts...Hopefully that is not to hard to follow . [/quote]

Clearly, I am wiser than you, as you're an absolute fool. The fact that every team was not on equal grounds, if that was the case, since I doubt you were out there checking birth certificates and your son was not out there playing, is no one's problem. You pull what you pull, if anyone actually did, and everyone is on EQUAL GROUND. If I tell you you can start your race with all the others at lap 2 and you're idiotic enough to start at lap 1, sucks for you. Hopefully THAT'S not too hard to follow. You make your own bed, don't be afraid to lie in it. Here's a funny - Charlie, the Crabs' leading scorer, first place in the fastest shot contest, the one the commentators kept talking about? He's a young 7th grader. He's also 6'3", but I guess God helped him cheat by making him big and strong and fast, right? LOL [/quote]

You are the fool who cant follow logic. Dropping date to May 1 was made for one reason. To let more holdbacks/prefirsts in. Who is the king of holdbacks/prefirst. Do you even need an answer.We all know. No other reason. If not why not follow clear USL guidelines, or maybe add in August, maybe July at most. But to go to May 1. Yea right ... This gave an advantage to teams that draw holdbacks as YOU STILL NEEDED TO BE ON GRADE ... Just cause they allowed May 1 doesnt help any programs that dont have the mentality of the Maryland privates and a few others with holdbacks/prefirsts. Crabs probably wanted a Jan 1 deadline or earlier..

I know your brain is fried from the defeat but it is simple logic. And nice try with the child who is huge and proper age. So what?? Kids come in many shapes and sizes who said different??? And the lap thing?? another logic argument that would have landed to a F!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Again, nobody is saying they are in the same league as Crush - Crush is alone at the top tier and the rest of the teams. But Crabs does not seem to understand that they are certainly not in the same tier as them either. Crabs without their holdbacks are no better than the teams mentioned above and many others. That is what people are telling you - your scores are borderline when you play with holdbacks so you would lose when you play without them. Crabs successful history is built on a holdback platform. "Fact" refers to those other teams having no issue qualifying with their current team roster for any tournament that puts the same requirements forth as Denver did but doubt Crabs will ever realize that since they only enter tournaments without any type of grade/age combination restriction.

It's like all of the MD parents live in some sort of fantasy land - ALL OF YOUR TEAMS CHEAT! Again, everyone seems to forget that ALL of these other teams mentioned have holdbacks and "fill out their rosters" with other players from different age and skill levels (AA to A) when they are short as well. THEY ARE ADMITTING IT AND GETTING CAUGHT RED-HANDED FOR IT!! It's ridiculous that anyone does it, but don't pretend it's only the Crabs - FCA JUST did it, and admitted it, in Young Guns "It was only like 5 kids though" (and STILL were just average at best - and that's generous). Cannons got caught this weekend doing it (and also did so at McDonough - and still sucked) and should have been kicked out of the tournament. Hawks The only "fact" is that ALL of those "other teams" do the exact same thing as the Crabs to some extent, so it's nonsensical to watch MD parents call out Crabs and other teams when they are ALL doing it - just not as well as Crabs apparently. Maybe private schools should only allow holding kids back for academic reasons, and then we'd really see how a level playing field we have. The only real "fact" is that all of the MD clubs cheat, and the NY/NJ/PA clubs still beat them handily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Nobody is saying that these teams are as good as 91, just that the crabs without holdbacks are no better than the rest of the bunch.

But they all have holdbacks - so, that makes no sense, really...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Before you get in deeper" makes me laugh. Yes, oh wise one, I think everyone with a pair of eyes and ears is quite aware that the cutoff was set - FOR EVERY TEAM IN THE TOURNEY - at May 1. EVEN PLAYING FIELD, depending on what you choose to do. Last time I checked, they didn't say "Crabs, May 1 - everyone else, Sept 1". 100% fact for you - ALL of the teams had some players with birthdays prior to Sept 1, and none had players born prior to May 1. C2C Dallas had several - see how much that helped them? 30-0 - ouch...

But not every team was on equal grounds as you say ..oh wise one .. You still had to be in the proper grade...And follow this wise one...if you are a age based team with kids starting school at usual start date you dont have holdbacks..GET IT... You need to be a team or from an area that has holdbacks/prefirsts..You cant just add them from other teams in your organazation due to age. They must be in right grade too...GOT THAT ONE wiseone!! Age was an advantage for the teams that could pull holdbacks/prefirsts...Hopefully that is not to hard to follow .

Clearly, I am wiser than you, as you're an absolute fool. The fact that every team was not on equal grounds, if that was the case, since I doubt you were out there checking birth certificates and your son was not out there playing, is no one's problem. You pull what you pull, if anyone actually did, and everyone is on EQUAL GROUND. If I tell you you can start your race with all the others at lap 2 and you're idiotic enough to start at lap 1, sucks for you. Hopefully THAT'S not too hard to follow. You make your own bed, don't be afraid to lie in it. Here's a funny - Charlie, the Crabs' leading scorer, first place in the fastest shot contest, the one the commentators kept talking about? He's a young 7th grader. He's also 6'3", but I guess God helped him cheat by making him big and strong and fast, right? LOL [/quote]

You are the fool who cant follow logic. Dropping date to May 1 was made for one reason. To let more holdbacks/prefirsts in. Who is the king of holdbacks/prefirst. Do you even need an answer.We all know. No other reason. If not why not follow clear USL guidelines, or maybe add in August, maybe July at most. But to go to May 1. Yea right ... This gave an advantage to teams that draw holdbacks as YOU STILL NEEDED TO BE ON GRADE ... Just cause they allowed May 1 doesnt help any programs that dont have the mentality of the Maryland privates and a few others with holdbacks/prefirsts. Crabs probably wanted a Jan 1 deadline or earlier..

I know your brain is fried from the defeat but it is simple logic. And nice try with the child who is huge and proper age. So what?? Kids come in many shapes and sizes who said different??? And the lap thing?? another logic argument that would have landed to a F!
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Witty. The only part that you're correct on is that your argument is simple - but it's not logical (go and look up Webster's definition of "logic", I think you're a little confused). So, the Crabs are so influential that they were able to garner a May 1 cutoff? You're a moron. Once again - and try to follow along - the rules were the same for everyone who entered the tourney. That's the logic that is not difficult to follow. I'm just taking a guess here, but I'd gather that your full-time job isn't traveling around the country checking birth certificates for youth lax, so you're just spewing completely uninformed crap now every time you say "holdback/prefirst" with your only backup being "everyone knows" and "I read on this forum" and "everyone says" so by God, it must be true.

The point with the kid who is the proper age is that I'm 100% positive that you'd watch the game, see him next to your little Johhny, and say "no way that kid is 13 - he's got to be a 2018". And you'd be wrong (again). But you helped to prove my point with your statement - "kids come in all shapes and sizes", so how do you know who is a holdback and who is just bigger for their age? Again, you're not checking birth certificates and transcripts. Please don't come unarmed to a battle of wits, quit while you're behind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Nobody is saying that these teams are as good as 91, just that the crabs without holdbacks are no better than the rest of the bunch.

But they all have holdbacks - so, that makes no sense, really...

Sure it makes sense - most Maryland teams would have no problem meeting the age requirements. Contrary to your opinion, all Maryland teams DO NOT have holdbacks and some work very hard to make sure they do not. This post is just trying to bring everyone down to Crabs level. The proof would be that they could show up to play at any age/grade tournament and qualify. Crabs would never do that. There is a big difference between what FCA does with respect to bringing age appropriate players that play up (ie legitimate 2020AA players who also play 2019AA) to play with their own grade/age group and what Crabs does by playing down with older kids in younger age groups. Do not pull all mid Atlantic teams into the mudpile with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Nobody is saying that these teams are as good as 91, just that the crabs without holdbacks are no better than the rest of the bunch.

But they all have holdbacks - so, that makes no sense, really...

So do you NY,PA,NJ teams they all have holdbacks too, Philly teams especially, but Jersey and New [lacrosse] have them too

Re: Crabs 2020 NPYLL vs Denver - look at the rosters.

They are both online so you can compare how many differences there were. I am not making the same comparison for Beach Lax - just NPYLL. There is a two player difference between the rosters - one player must not have been eligible and one player was added. The added player just finished 7th grade and was at Beach Lax too.

It does not take too much research to find the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Crabs 2020 NPYLL vs Denver - look at the rosters.

They are both online so you can compare how many differences there were. I am not making the same comparison for Beach Lax - just NPYLL. There is a two player difference between the rosters - one player must not have been eligible and one player was added. The added player just finished 7th grade and was at Beach Lax too.

It does not take too much research to find the facts.

This is the most logical post I've seen in days...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Nobody is saying that these teams are as good as 91, just that the crabs without holdbacks are no better than the rest of the bunch.

But they all have holdbacks - so, that makes no sense, really...

Sure it makes sense - most Maryland teams would have no problem meeting the age requirements. Contrary to your opinion, all Maryland teams DO NOT have holdbacks and some work very hard to make sure they do not. This post is just trying to bring everyone down to Crabs level. The proof would be that they could show up to play at any age/grade tournament and qualify. Crabs would never do that. There is a big difference between what FCA does with respect to bringing age appropriate players that play up (ie legitimate 2020AA players who also play 2019AA) to play with their own grade/age group and what Crabs does by playing down with older kids in younger age groups. Do not pull all mid Atlantic teams into the mudpile with you.

Actually FCA 2020 brought 5 players down from AA to A in Young Guns to "fill out their roster", and they still couldn't pass and catch. Personally, I'd rather mix age than skill level - that's very unChristian of them...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Nobody is saying that these teams are as good as 91, just that the crabs without holdbacks are no better than the rest of the bunch.

But they all have holdbacks - so, that makes no sense, really...

Sure it makes sense - most Maryland teams would have no problem meeting the age requirements. Contrary to your opinion, all Maryland teams DO NOT have holdbacks and some work very hard to make sure they do not. This post is just trying to bring everyone down to Crabs level. The proof would be that they could show up to play at any age/grade tournament and qualify. Crabs would never do that. There is a big difference between what FCA does with respect to bringing age appropriate players that play up (ie legitimate 2020AA players who also play 2019AA) to play with their own grade/age group and what Crabs does by playing down with older kids in younger age groups. Do not pull all mid Atlantic teams into the mudpile with you.

So once again we have someone who spends his days traveling around and checking all of the birth certificates for every MD team for every player for every game and tournament? Spare us the nonsense, please - we all see them at every tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Crabs 2020 NPYLL vs Denver - look at the rosters.

They are both online so you can compare how many differences there were. I am not making the same comparison for Beach Lax - just NPYLL. There is a two player difference between the rosters - one player must not have been eligible and one player was added. The added player just finished 7th grade and was at Beach Lax too.

It does not take too much research to find the facts.

I don't know how you got any information from the NYPLL website, you are like MacGyver, good work

Correction - two missing assumed ineligible

It's like all of the MD parents live in some sort of fantasy land - ALL OF YOUR TEAMS CHEAT! Again, everyone seems to forget that ALL of these other teams mentioned have holdbacks and "fill out their rosters" with other players from different age and skill levels (AA to A) when they are short as well. THEY ARE ADMITTING IT AND GETTING CAUGHT RED-HANDED FOR IT!! It's ridiculous that anyone does it, but don't pretend it's only the Crabs - FCA JUST did it, and admitted it, in Young Guns "It was only like 5 kids though" (and STILL were just average at best - and that's generous). Cannons got caught this weekend doing it (and also did so at McDonough - and still sucked) and should have been kicked out of the tournament. Hawks The only "fact" is that ALL of those "other teams" do the exact same thing as the Crabs to some extent, so it's nonsensical to watch MD parents call out Crabs and other teams when they are ALL doing it - just not as well as Crabs apparently. Maybe private schools should only allow holding kids back for academic reasons, and then we'd really see how a level playing field we have. The only real "fact" is that all of the MD clubs cheat, and the NY/NJ/PA clubs still beat them handily. [/quote]

What exactly did the Hawks do, you never finished the sentence. If we are talking about real "facts", can you tell me there are no kids being held back on ANY team in New [lacrosse], New Jersey, Delaware, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, California, Texas, Minnesota, Maine, Georgia, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Indiana or any of the other lacrosse playing states in this country. The answer is simply NO, you can't say that and be factual, because somebody somewhere has them, yes even in the great state of Long Island there are kids being held back. I know it is prevalent with the private school sector but to lump everyone together and label them cheaters is a little ridiculous when everyone in the lacrosse playing country is doing the same thing.

The Cannons did not get caught cheating, please tell us how they cheated. All players are 2022 with NO reclassified kids. All their players are U11 per US Lacrosse guidelines, cant say the same for other programs. Stop the rumors!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's like all of the MD parents live in some sort of fantasy land - ALL OF YOUR TEAMS CHEAT! Again, everyone seems to forget that ALL of these other teams mentioned have holdbacks and "fill out their rosters" with other players from different age and skill levels (AA to A) when they are short as well. THEY ARE ADMITTING IT AND GETTING CAUGHT RED-HANDED FOR IT!! It's ridiculous that anyone does it, but don't pretend it's only the Crabs - FCA JUST did it, and admitted it, in Young Guns "It was only like 5 kids though" (and STILL were just average at best - and that's generous). Cannons got caught this weekend doing it (and also did so at McDonough - and still sucked) and should have been kicked out of the tournament. Hawks The only "fact" is that ALL of those "other teams" do the exact same thing as the Crabs to some extent, so it's nonsensical to watch MD parents call out Crabs and other teams when they are ALL doing it - just not as well as Crabs apparently. Maybe private schools should only allow holding kids back for academic reasons, and then we'd really see how a level playing field we have. The only real "fact" is that all of the MD clubs cheat, and the NY/NJ/PA clubs still beat them handily.

What exactly did the Hawks do, you never finished the sentence. If we are talking about real "facts", can you tell me there are no kids being held back on ANY team in New [lacrosse], New Jersey, Delaware, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, California, Texas, Minnesota, Maine, Georgia, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Indiana or any of the other lacrosse playing states in this country. The answer is simply NO, you can't say that and be factual, because somebody somewhere has them, yes even in the great state of Long Island there are kids being held back. I know it is prevalent with the private school sector but to lump everyone together and label them cheaters is a little ridiculous when everyone in the lacrosse playing country is doing the same thing. [/quote]

I'd actually be willing to guarantee they all do. Even more reason for everyone to stop whining about the Crabs and get their own houses in order. Funny thing is, since everyone is doing it, kind of makes it all even - crazy but true!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Cannons did not get caught cheating, please tell us how they cheated. All players are 2022 with NO reclassified kids. All their players are U11 per US Lacrosse guidelines, cant say the same for other programs. Stop the rumors!

That's funny that no one mentioned Cannons 2022 but immediately they knew who it was referring to and jump to their defense...LOL

My son plays for the Hawks organization. I have only found Hogan to be on the up and up. I don't think there are many or any holdbacks on 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 teams. If so - I am not aware of any...

Grade based teams with an age cutoff is the way to nip the problem in the bud. Easy fix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line is, you will never, ever convince me that any of those teams are more competitive than the Crabs. Never.

Nobody has to bother to convince you. The rest of the community knows. The proof is in the scores in recent games of Crabs (with holdbacks) versus those teams. Also look at the spreads of the games versus similar teams. Many of the other spreads are more favorable than the Crabs vs Edge, Crabs vs 91 etc. Crabs is a good team but they are not in the same league as 91. If they had the integrity to play with the Denver team going forward (without the holdbacks or the 2019s), they would not be winning all of their games. Those other teams can easily meet the generous Denver age requirement as they are now. Fact.

The rest of the community seems to be the same few dads who clearly have kids on one of the other good not great teams. Crabs are not in the same league as 91 for sure - neither are any of the others (Hawks, Looneys, Breakers, you fill in the blank). There are also no facts in this post, you can't make something a fact by simply saying "fact".

Nobody is saying that these teams are as good as 91, just that the crabs without holdbacks are no better than the rest of the bunch.

But they all have holdbacks - so, that makes no sense, really...

Sure it makes sense - most Maryland teams would have no problem meeting the age requirements. Contrary to your opinion, all Maryland teams DO NOT have holdbacks and some work very hard to make sure they do not. This post is just trying to bring everyone down to Crabs level. The proof would be that they could show up to play at any age/grade tournament and qualify. Crabs would never do that. There is a big difference between what FCA does with respect to bringing age appropriate players that play up (ie legitimate 2020AA players who also play 2019AA) to play with their own grade/age group and what Crabs does by playing down with older kids in younger age groups. Do not pull all mid Atlantic teams into the mudpile with you.

Actually FCA 2020 brought 5 players down from AA to A in Young Guns to "fill out their roster", and they still couldn't pass and catch. Personally, I'd rather mix age than skill level - that's very unChristian of them...

This tournament had two good teams, the rest were just ok. Compare the performance of all the other teams, ex. Crush and Crabs and you will see they all get routinely beat up by the other stronger East Coast teams from LI, MA, and MD. Crabs being at this tourney means nothing, they should've stayed home and played in Young Guns where they could've used hold backs to compete.

I had a player last year who played for my team and for FCA, on my team he was a certain grade due to age and for FCA he was playing the grade below, I doubt he was the only player on FCA in this situation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's like all of the MD parents live in some sort of fantasy land - ALL OF YOUR TEAMS CHEAT! Again, everyone seems to forget that ALL of these other teams mentioned have holdbacks and "fill out their rosters" with other players from different age and skill levels (AA to A) when they are short as well. THEY ARE ADMITTING IT AND GETTING CAUGHT RED-HANDED FOR IT!! It's ridiculous that anyone does it, but don't pretend it's only the Crabs - FCA JUST did it, and admitted it, in Young Guns "It was only like 5 kids though" (and STILL were just average at best - and that's generous). Cannons got caught this weekend doing it (and also did so at McDonough - and still sucked) and should have been kicked out of the tournament. Hawks The only "fact" is that ALL of those "other teams" do the exact same thing as the Crabs to some extent, so it's nonsensical to watch MD parents call out Crabs and other teams when they are ALL doing it - just not as well as Crabs apparently. Maybe private schools should only allow holding kids back for academic reasons, and then we'd really see how a level playing field we have. The only real "fact" is that all of the MD clubs cheat, and the NY/NJ/PA clubs still beat them handily.

What exactly did the Hawks do, you never finished the sentence. If we are talking about real "facts", can you tell me there are no kids being held back on ANY team in New [lacrosse], New Jersey, Delaware, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, California, Texas, Minnesota, Maine, Georgia, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Indiana or any of the other lacrosse playing states in this country. The answer is simply NO, you can't say that and be factual, because somebody somewhere has them, yes even in the great state of Long Island there are kids being held back. I know it is prevalent with the private school sector but to lump everyone together and label them cheaters is a little ridiculous when everyone in the lacrosse playing country is doing the same thing.

I'd actually be willing to guarantee they all do. Even more reason for everyone to stop whining about the Crabs and get their own houses in order. Funny thing is, since everyone is doing it, kind of makes it all even - crazy but true! [/quote]
You missed my point, I'm talking about teams have one somewhere, not built their program on it like crabs, fca etc i don't think crabnation should be talking about order to anyone. I also was not saying because every state somewhere has that it is right. Make your own twisted argument, don't twist my words

Sure it makes sense - most Maryland teams would have no problem meeting the age requirements. Contrary to your opinion, all Maryland teams DO NOT have holdbacks and some work very hard to make sure they do not. This post is just trying to bring everyone down to Crabs level. The proof would be that they could show up to play at any age/grade tournament and qualify. Crabs would never do that. There is a big difference between what FCA does with respect to bringing age appropriate players that play up (ie legitimate 2020AA players who also play 2019AA) to play with their own grade/age group and what Crabs does by playing down with older kids in younger age groups. Do not pull all mid Atlantic teams into the mudpile with you. [/quote]

Actually FCA 2020 brought 5 players down from AA to A in Young Guns to "fill out their roster", and they still couldn't pass and catch. Personally, I'd rather mix age than skill level - that's very unChristian of them... [/quote]

This tournament had two good teams, the rest were just ok. Compare the performance of all the other teams, ex. Crush and Crabs and you will see they all get routinely beat up by the other stronger East Coast teams from LI, MA, and MD. Crabs being at this tourney means nothing, they should've stayed home and played in Young Guns where they could've used hold backs to compete.[/quote]

Spoken like a true observer who watched from home rather than from in the stands...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's like all of the MD parents live in some sort of fantasy land - ALL OF YOUR TEAMS CHEAT! Again, everyone seems to forget that ALL of these other teams mentioned have holdbacks and "fill out their rosters" with other players from different age and skill levels (AA to A) when they are short as well. THEY ARE ADMITTING IT AND GETTING CAUGHT RED-HANDED FOR IT!! It's ridiculous that anyone does it, but don't pretend it's only the Crabs - FCA JUST did it, and admitted it, in Young Guns "It was only like 5 kids though" (and STILL were just average at best - and that's generous). Cannons got caught this weekend doing it (and also did so at McDonough - and still sucked) and should have been kicked out of the tournament. Hawks The only "fact" is that ALL of those "other teams" do the exact same thing as the Crabs to some extent, so it's nonsensical to watch MD parents call out Crabs and other teams when they are ALL doing it - just not as well as Crabs apparently. Maybe private schools should only allow holding kids back for academic reasons, and then we'd really see how a level playing field we have. The only real "fact" is that all of the MD clubs cheat, and the NY/NJ/PA clubs still beat them handily.

What exactly did the Hawks do, you never finished the sentence. If we are talking about real "facts", can you tell me there are no kids being held back on ANY team in New [lacrosse], New Jersey, Delaware, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, California, Texas, Minnesota, Maine, Georgia, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Indiana or any of the other lacrosse playing states in this country. The answer is simply NO, you can't say that and be factual, because somebody somewhere has them, yes even in the great state of Long Island there are kids being held back. I know it is prevalent with the private school sector but to lump everyone together and label them cheaters is a little ridiculous when everyone in the lacrosse playing country is doing the same thing.

I'd actually be willing to guarantee they all do. Even more reason for everyone to stop whining about the Crabs and get their own houses in order. Funny thing is, since everyone is doing it, kind of makes it all even - crazy but true!

You missed my point, I'm talking about teams have one somewhere, not built their program on it like crabs, fca etc i don't think crabnation should be talking about order to anyone. I also was not saying because every state somewhere has that it is right. Make your own twisted argument, don't twist my words[/quote]

That's odd - I don't see any twisting of words at all. You said "somebody somewhere has them" and "I know it is prevalent with the private school sector but to lump everyone together and label them cheaters is a little ridiculous when everyone in the lacrosse playing country is doing the same thing."
I said "I'd actually be willing to guarantee they all do. Even more reason for everyone to stop whining about the Crabs and get their own houses in order." meaning, you said everyone is doing the same thing, and I agreed that they are. Then I simply stated that the funny part of that is, when you're all cheating, it almost evens things up. If everyone in the MLB sneaks pine tar onto their bats, no one gets the advantage, do they? Where's the twist?

Looking at the Hershey tournament schedule for the 2020s - notice Hogan has his 2020 team PLAYING UP in the U15 division. You would NEVER see the Crabs organization do that....

Kudos to Hogan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's like all of the MD parents live in some sort of fantasy land - ALL OF YOUR TEAMS CHEAT! Again, everyone seems to forget that ALL of these other teams mentioned have holdbacks and "fill out their rosters" with other players from different age and skill levels (AA to A) when they are short as well. THEY ARE ADMITTING IT AND GETTING CAUGHT RED-HANDED FOR IT!! It's ridiculous that anyone does it, but don't pretend it's only the Crabs - FCA JUST did it, and admitted it, in Young Guns "It was only like 5 kids though" (and STILL were just average at best - and that's generous). Cannons got caught this weekend doing it (and also did so at McDonough - and still sucked) and should have been kicked out of the tournament. Hawks The only "fact" is that ALL of those "other teams" do the exact same thing as the Crabs to some extent, so it's nonsensical to watch MD parents call out Crabs and other teams when they are ALL doing it - just not as well as Crabs apparently. Maybe private schools should only allow holding kids back for academic reasons, and then we'd really see how a level playing field we have. The only real "fact" is that all of the MD clubs cheat, and the NY/NJ/PA clubs still beat them handily.

What exactly did the Hawks do, you never finished the sentence. If we are talking about real "facts", can you tell me there are no kids being held back on ANY team in New [lacrosse], New Jersey, Delaware, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, California, Texas, Minnesota, Maine, Georgia, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Indiana or any of the other lacrosse playing states in this country. The answer is simply NO, you can't say that and be factual, because somebody somewhere has them, yes even in the great state of Long Island there are kids being held back. I know it is prevalent with the private school sector but to lump everyone together and label them cheaters is a little ridiculous when everyone in the lacrosse playing country is doing the same thing.

I'd actually be willing to guarantee they all do. Even more reason for everyone to stop whining about the Crabs and get their own houses in order. Funny thing is, since everyone is doing it, kind of makes it all even - crazy but true!

You missed my point, I'm talking about teams have one somewhere, not built their program on it like crabs, fca etc i don't think crabnation should be talking about order to anyone. I also was not saying because every state somewhere has that it is right. Make your own twisted argument, don't twist my words

That's odd - I don't see any twisting of words at all. You said "somebody somewhere has them" and "I know it is prevalent with the private school sector but to lump everyone together and label them cheaters is a little ridiculous when everyone in the lacrosse playing country is doing the same thing."
I said "I'd actually be willing to guarantee they all do. Even more reason for everyone to stop whining about the Crabs and get their own houses in order." meaning, you said everyone is doing the same thing, and I agreed that they are. Then I simply stated that the funny part of that is, when you're all cheating, it almost evens things up. If everyone in the MLB sneaks pine tar onto their bats, no one gets the advantage, do they? Where's the twist? [/quote]
Where's the twist, where's the twist
There's no pine tar in lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's like all of the MD parents live in some sort of fantasy land - ALL OF YOUR TEAMS CHEAT! Again, everyone seems to forget that ALL of these other teams mentioned have holdbacks and "fill out their rosters" with other players from different age and skill levels (AA to A) when they are short as well. THEY ARE ADMITTING IT AND GETTING CAUGHT RED-HANDED FOR IT!! It's ridiculous that anyone does it, but don't pretend it's only the Crabs - FCA JUST did it, and admitted it, in Young Guns "It was only like 5 kids though" (and STILL were just average at best - and that's generous). Cannons got caught this weekend doing it (and also did so at McDonough - and still sucked) and should have been kicked out of the tournament. Hawks The only "fact" is that ALL of those "other teams" do the exact same thing as the Crabs to some extent, so it's nonsensical to watch MD parents call out Crabs and other teams when they are ALL doing it - just not as well as Crabs apparently. Maybe private schools should only allow holding kids back for academic reasons, and then we'd really see how a level playing field we have. The only real "fact" is that all of the MD clubs cheat, and the NY/NJ/PA clubs still beat them handily.

What exactly did the Hawks do, you never finished the sentence. If we are talking about real "facts", can you tell me there are no kids being held back on ANY team in New [lacrosse], New Jersey, Delaware, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, California, Texas, Minnesota, Maine, Georgia, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Indiana or any of the other lacrosse playing states in this country. The answer is simply NO, you can't say that and be factual, because somebody somewhere has them, yes even in the great state of Long Island there are kids being held back. I know it is prevalent with the private school sector but to lump everyone together and label them cheaters is a little ridiculous when everyone in the lacrosse playing country is doing the same thing.

I'd actually be willing to guarantee they all do. Even more reason for everyone to stop whining about the Crabs and get their own houses in order. Funny thing is, since everyone is doing it, kind of makes it all even - crazy but true!

You missed my point, I'm talking about teams have one somewhere, not built their program on it like crabs, fca etc i don't think crabnation should be talking about order to anyone. I also was not saying because every state somewhere has that it is right. Make your own twisted argument, don't twist my words

That's odd - I don't see any twisting of words at all. You said "somebody somewhere has them" and "I know it is prevalent with the private school sector but to lump everyone together and label them cheaters is a little ridiculous when everyone in the lacrosse playing country is doing the same thing."
I said "I'd actually be willing to guarantee they all do. Even more reason for everyone to stop whining about the Crabs and get their own houses in order." meaning, you said everyone is doing the same thing, and I agreed that they are. Then I simply stated that the funny part of that is, when you're all cheating, it almost evens things up. If everyone in the MLB sneaks pine tar onto their bats, no one gets the advantage, do they? Where's the twist?

Where's the twist, where's the twist
There's no pine tar in lacrosse [/quote]

"There's no pine tar in lacrosse" Congrats - that level of intellect perfectly justifies an academic holdback. And good news - it won't cost you a dime, cause you're "special"...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the Hershey tournament schedule for the 2020s - notice Hogan has his 2020 team PLAYING UP in the U15 division. You would NEVER see the Crabs organization do that....

Kudos to Hogan

Where do you see that?

To say the great state of Long Island has any abundance of hold backs is a lie. The only one I know of is being shunned and vilified as he should be. We do not have many prep schools on L.I. and we don't need to cheat. I am watching, as I write this, 91 "crush" your crabs at an age appropriate tournament. All of you, Quint Kessenich, U.S. lacrosse, Lacrosse Mag.Inside lacrosse, can all talk up Maryland all you like but the truth is your kids aren't as talented as they are on l.I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To say the great state of Long Island has any abundance of hold backs is a lie. The only one I know of is being shunned and vilified as he should be. We do not have many prep schools on L.I. and we don't need to cheat. I am watching, as I write this, 91 "crush" your crabs at an age appropriate tournament. All of you, Quint Kessenich, U.S. lacrosse, Lacrosse Mag.Inside lacrosse, can all talk up Maryland all you like but the truth is your kids aren't as talented as they are on l.I

Does anyone want to post the population of LI compared to Maryland. LI is 7.5 mill Maryland is 5.9 mill

L.i. Has a much larger population to pull from.

Hawks 2022 is also playing up at Hershey.

After watching high level club teams play for three years I strongly believe that the LI kids are a tougher grittier group of kids than the DMV kids. When taking into consideration the number of holdbacks within the DMV elite programs in comparison to the none / very few holdbacks within the LI programs, the separation of play, skills and talent is even more impressive! Objective MD observer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After watching high level club teams play for three years I strongly believe that the LI kids are a tougher grittier group of kids than the DMV kids. When taking into consideration the number of holdbacks within the DMV elite programs in comparison to the none / very few holdbacks within the LI programs, the separation of play, skills and talent is even more impressive! Objective MD observer!

100% agree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the Hershey tournament schedule for the 2020s - notice Hogan has his 2020 team PLAYING UP in the U15 division. You would NEVER see the Crabs organization do that....

Kudos to Hogan

It is an age based division and they have summer birthdays so they HAVE to play U15 . They are simply playing them where they belong and following their owners rules. They do not have holdbacks on the team but they do have June, July and August birthdays making them ineligible for U13. They are NOT playing up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After watching high level club teams play for three years I strongly believe that the LI kids are a tougher grittier group of kids than the DMV kids. When taking into consideration the number of holdbacks within the DMV elite programs in comparison to the none / very few holdbacks within the LI programs, the separation of play, skills and talent is even more impressive! Objective MD observer!

Award-winning analysis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the fool who cant follow logic. Dropping date to May 1 was made for one reason. To let more holdbacks/prefirsts in. Who is the king of holdbacks/prefirst. Do you even need an answer.We all know. No other reason. If not why not follow clear USL guidelines, or maybe add in August, maybe July at most. But to go to May 1. Yea right ... This gave an advantage to teams that draw holdbacks as YOU STILL NEEDED TO BE ON GRADE ... Just cause they allowed May 1 doesnt help any programs that dont have the mentality of the Maryland privates and a few others with holdbacks/prefirsts. Crabs probably wanted a Jan 1 deadline or earlier..

I know your brain is fried from the defeat but it is simple logic. And nice try with the child who is huge and proper age. So what?? Kids come in many shapes and sizes who said different??? And the lap thing?? another logic argument that would have landed to a F!
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Witty. The only part that you're correct on is that your argument is simple - but it's not logical (go and look up Webster's definition of "logic", I think you're a little confused). So, the Crabs are so influential that they were able to garner a May 1 cutoff? You're a moron. Once again - and try to follow along - the rules were the same for everyone who entered the tourney. That's the logic that is not difficult to follow. I'm just taking a guess here, but I'd gather that your full-time job isn't traveling around the country checking birth certificates for youth lax, so you're just spewing completely uninformed crap now every time you say "holdback/prefirst" with your only backup being "everyone knows" and "I read on this forum" and "everyone says" so by God, it must be true.

The point with the kid who is the proper age is that I'm 100% positive that you'd watch the game, see him next to your little Johhny, and say "no way that kid is 13 - he's got to be a 2018". And you'd be wrong (again). But you helped to prove my point with your statement - "kids come in all shapes and sizes", so how do you know who is a holdback and who is just bigger for their age? Again, you're not checking birth certificates and transcripts. Please don't come unarmed to a battle of wits, quit while you're behind.

Trying to get you to understand about being in grade and age is useless. They dont go hand in hand in MD lacrosse like other states. Especially at the private schools.
So your simple argument comes down to since I cant tell who is a holdback/prefirst keep my mouth shut! Too Funny Crab Holdback/prefirst apologist. I have two children in a MIAA school. I am aware of all the shenanigans that go on with the children and holding them back. It is a shame it has bleed over into youth lacrosse. Crabs had some incredible teams when they were U13AA and U15AA and their HS teams. Their promotion of Grade base youth teams is a money play and a way for Crabs to game the system at youth level to their advantage. Disgusting behavior and completely opposite of all we are taught about the character of youth athletics and its competing in it.

They could be playing in the 2020A division where they would not break a sweat. That is how the Crabs would do it. So - again - kudos to Hogan. RM could learn a thing or two....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the fool who cant follow logic. Dropping date to May 1 was made for one reason. To let more holdbacks/prefirsts in. Who is the king of holdbacks/prefirst. Do you even need an answer.We all know. No other reason. If not why not follow clear USL guidelines, or maybe add in August, maybe July at most. But to go to May 1. Yea right ... This gave an advantage to teams that draw holdbacks as YOU STILL NEEDED TO BE ON GRADE ... Just cause they allowed May 1 doesnt help any programs that dont have the mentality of the Maryland privates and a few others with holdbacks/prefirsts. Crabs probably wanted a Jan 1 deadline or earlier..

I know your brain is fried from the defeat but it is simple logic. And nice try with the child who is huge and proper age. So what?? Kids come in many shapes and sizes who said different??? And the lap thing?? another logic argument that would have landed to a F!
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Witty. The only part that you're correct on is that your argument is simple - but it's not logical (go and look up Webster's definition of "logic", I think you're a little confused). So, the Crabs are so influential that they were able to garner a May 1 cutoff? You're a moron. Once again - and try to follow along - the rules were the same for everyone who entered the tourney. That's the logic that is not difficult to follow. I'm just taking a guess here, but I'd gather that your full-time job isn't traveling around the country checking birth certificates for youth lax, so you're just spewing completely uninformed crap now every time you say "holdback/prefirst" with your only backup being "everyone knows" and "I read on this forum" and "everyone says" so by God, it must be true.

The point with the kid who is the proper age is that I'm 100% positive that you'd watch the game, see him next to your little Johhny, and say "no way that kid is 13 - he's got to be a 2018". And you'd be wrong (again). But you helped to prove my point with your statement - "kids come in all shapes and sizes", so how do you know who is a holdback and who is just bigger for their age? Again, you're not checking birth certificates and transcripts. Please don't come unarmed to a battle of wits, quit while you're behind.

Trying to get you to understand about being in grade and age is useless. They dont go hand in hand in MD lacrosse like other states. Especially at the private schools.
So your simple argument comes down to since I cant tell who is a holdback/prefirst keep my mouth shut! Too Funny Crab Holdback/prefirst apologist. I have two children in a MIAA school. I am aware of all the shenanigans that go on with the children and holding them back. It is a shame it has bleed over into youth lacrosse. Crabs had some incredible teams when they were U13AA and U15AA and their HS teams. Their promotion of Grade base youth teams is a money play and a way for Crabs to game the system at youth level to their advantage. Disgusting behavior and completely opposite of all we are taught about the character of youth athletics and its competing in it.

I'm pretty sure that everyone is aware of the nonsense that goes on at the MD private schools - it's ridiculous, and should not be allowed to happen. But - that doesn't change the fact that the argument is factually correct - same rules and cutoff for all in the tourney. Some clubs take advantage, some don't. And yes - if you don't know who is a holdback and who isn't, you probably should keep your mouth shut, because there's no point in arrogantly claiming "Crabs are all holdbacks blah blah blah" when you are simply guessing that is true. You don't need to have a kid in an MIAA school to know that the MD teams are cheating the system, all you have to do is step out onto the lax field with them and have your kids look up in the air about a foot and say "how old are you" to one of the players on the other team, and have them hesitate and say "um, 12. wait, I mean 13" and/or "hey - what grade are you in" and have them answer with no hesitation "10th - what about you" (yes, this happened at Young Guns this weekend - in 2019. And it wasn't a Crabs team. For real. Really!), and you have your answer.

I think many top programs from outside the hotbeds have a handful (or two) of kids too old for a 9/1 cutoff. Md may do it more than LI, but unfortunately it's pretty common. Holdbacks, though, appears to be more of a prep school issue, whether Md., the NE or boarding schools.

believe the tournaments Looney's won was Lax Splash, Vail, and Young Guns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think many top programs from outside the hotbeds have a handful (or two) of kids too old for a 9/1 cutoff. Md may do it more than LI, but unfortunately it's pretty common. Holdbacks, though, appears to be more of a prep school issue, whether Md., the NE or boarding schools.

I would agree that it is in other areas as well.But to a lesser extent and more spread out. Baltimore has 6 private MIAA schools within 15-20 minuets of each other. I suspect all these holdbacks/prefirsts in one area leads to a concentration unlike other areas. Crabs, FCA, Breakers,etc all practice at these schools and of course get many of these players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the Hershey tournament schedule for the 2020s - notice Hogan has his 2020 team PLAYING UP in the U15 division. You would NEVER see the Crabs organization do that....

Kudos to Hogan

It is an age based division and they have summer birthdays so they HAVE to play U15 . They are simply playing them where they belong and following their owners rules. They do not have holdbacks on the team but they do have June, July and August birthdays making them ineligible for U13. They are NOT playing up.

Hawks Green is already playing 2020a - they can't put their A& AA together and their their ages align with the U15b. They are playing B-not A as a AA. They will do fine although their competition may not be thrilled. No second year 15s allowed in B either so this is the correct place for 2020 AAs with older kids and they should excel.

What is pre-first? Does that set a kid back an entire year or just something for kids that would otherwise be young for their grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L.i. Has a much larger population to pull from.

so that gives you the O.K. to cheat? If your state can't support the amount of clubs than stop creating clubs. Field 1 or 2 and compete on an even playing field against our 4 or 5. Don't cheat and say we have more kids to choose from to justify it. Our boys are just better admit it, they train harder, spend more time on the wall, and play better team ball and no matter how much money you spend that will be the case for the foreseeable future.On L.I. it is still a scarlet letter to be held back a year (recalassed if you like but held back is what it is). No matter how much of a bias you people down south create our boys are still better. Maybe U.S. lacrosse should move there headquarters to the Island so they can see lacrosse played without the holdback cheaters then maybe they will change the rules. Despite what you outsiders think in Md. Pa. and N.E. we don't have the reclass problem here, like you guys do there. Go read the Chaminade thread on this site and you can see that it is basically a vilified practice that will get you shunned on L.I.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is pre-first? Does that set a kid back an entire year or just something for kids that would otherwise be young for their grade?

MIAA schools will put kids in prefirst that have summer birthdays so that they are more mature and better prepared to start 1st grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the fool who cant follow logic. Dropping date to May 1 was made for one reason. To let more holdbacks/prefirsts in. Who is the king of holdbacks/prefirst. Do you even need an answer.We all know. No other reason. If not why not follow clear USL guidelines, or maybe add in August, maybe July at most. But to go to May 1. Yea right ... This gave an advantage to teams that draw holdbacks as YOU STILL NEEDED TO BE ON GRADE ... Just cause they allowed May 1 doesnt help any programs that dont have the mentality of the Maryland privates and a few others with holdbacks/prefirsts. Crabs probably wanted a Jan 1 deadline or earlier..

I know your brain is fried from the defeat but it is simple logic. And nice try with the child who is huge and proper age. So what?? Kids come in many shapes and sizes who said different??? And the lap thing?? another logic argument that would have landed to a F!
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Witty. The only part that you're correct on is that your argument is simple - but it's not logical (go and look up Webster's definition of "logic", I think you're a little confused). So, the Crabs are so influential that they were able to garner a May 1 cutoff? You're a moron. Once again - and try to follow along - the rules were the same for everyone who entered the tourney. That's the logic that is not difficult to follow. I'm just taking a guess here, but I'd gather that your full-time job isn't traveling around the country checking birth certificates for youth lax, so you're just spewing completely uninformed crap now every time you say "holdback/prefirst" with your only backup being "everyone knows" and "I read on this forum" and "everyone says" so by God, it must be true.

The point with the kid who is the proper age is that I'm 100% positive that you'd watch the game, see him next to your little Johhny, and say "no way that kid is 13 - he's got to be a 2018". And you'd be wrong (again). But you helped to prove my point with your statement - "kids come in all shapes and sizes", so how do you know who is a holdback and who is just bigger for their age? Again, you're not checking birth certificates and transcripts. Please don't come unarmed to a battle of wits, quit while you're behind.

Trying to get you to understand about being in grade and age is useless. They dont go hand in hand in MD lacrosse like other states. Especially at the private schools.
So your simple argument comes down to since I cant tell who is a holdback/prefirst keep my mouth shut! Too Funny Crab Holdback/prefirst apologist. I have two children in a MIAA school. I am aware of all the shenanigans that go on with the children and holding them back. It is a shame it has bleed over into youth lacrosse. Crabs had some incredible teams when they were U13AA and U15AA and their HS teams. Their promotion of Grade base youth teams is a money play and a way for Crabs to game the system at youth level to their advantage. Disgusting behavior and completely opposite of all we are taught about the character of youth athletics and its competing in it.

I don't think anyone is having trouble understanding the holdback/prefirst discussion (although they are two different things - not entering your son into 1st grade because he may not be academically ready/mature enough is not exactly the same as holding him back to gain an advantage over other players in 7th/8th grade, unless you have a crystal ball which informs you your newborn will be a lax star). I do think that implying you are some sort of expert on holdbacks and know it all because you supposedly have 2 kids in an MIAA school is ridiculous. I routinely go to the doctor and watch House, but last time I checked no one is paying me to do open heart surgery.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is pre-first? Does that set a kid back an entire year or just something for kids that would otherwise be young for their grade?

MIAA schools will put kids in prefirst that have summer birthdays so that they are more mature and better prepared to start 1st grade.

Exactly what it is, thank you. But to listen to other posters in the forum, it is also a way to make sure your kindergartener throw a lacrosse ball harder and more accurately than the one next door.

pre1st is not just for summer birthdays as the poster suggests. It is most often simply an extra year that private schools encourage before starting first grade. Regardless of why it is done, and would agree it is not done for sports reasons, it does make kids up to a full year older then their counterparts . If they need to do it for academics and socialization, it is great. For sports they should remain in the grade that their age would dictate by that state's standards. Most holdbacks go to MIAA schools which after taking a pre-1st then gives them up to a 2 year age advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L.i. Has a much larger population to pull from.

so that gives you the O.K. to cheat? If your state can't support the amount of clubs than stop creating clubs. Field 1 or 2 and compete on an even playing field against our 4 or 5. Don't cheat and say we have more kids to choose from to justify it. Our boys are just better admit it, they train harder, spend more time on the wall, and play better team ball and no matter how much money you spend that will be the case for the foreseeable future.On L.I. it is still a scarlet letter to be held back a year (recalassed if you like but held back is what it is). No matter how much of a bias you people down south create our boys are still better. Maybe U.S. lacrosse should move there headquarters to the Island so they can see lacrosse played without the holdback cheaters then maybe they will change the rules. Despite what you outsiders think in Md. Pa. and N.E. we don't have the reclass problem here, like you guys do there. Go read the Chaminade thread on this site and you can see that it is basically a vilified practice that will get you shunned on L.I.

With the exception of the private school kids, holding back is viewed the same way by most Marylanders. Unfortunately, the holdbacks all seem to gravitate to the same teams ie Crabs who then go out and represent themselves as The best of Maryland. There are kids in Maryland who work just as hard as most of the kids on LI (obviously remove Crush from this as those boys are disciplined)and the rest of us don't appreciate being tarnished because of the MIAA. Also unfortunately, the holdback kids who do not make Crabs end up sprinkled amongst some of the other teams which is very frustrating to on age kids who work hard. My sons team has zero holdbacks and is competitive -are they the best? No, but they are honest which to us is much more important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the fool who cant follow logic. Dropping date to May 1 was made for one reason. To let more holdbacks/prefirsts in. Who is the king of holdbacks/prefirst. Do you even need an answer.We all know. No other reason. If not why not follow clear USL guidelines, or maybe add in August, maybe July at most. But to go to May 1. Yea right ... This gave an advantage to teams that draw holdbacks as YOU STILL NEEDED TO BE ON GRADE ... Just cause they allowed May 1 doesnt help any programs that dont have the mentality of the Maryland privates and a few others with holdbacks/prefirsts. Crabs probably wanted a Jan 1 deadline or earlier..

I know your brain is fried from the defeat but it is simple logic. And nice try with the child who is huge and proper age. So what?? Kids come in many shapes and sizes who said different??? And the lap thing?? another logic argument that would have landed to a F!
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Witty. The only part that you're correct on is that your argument is simple - but it's not logical (go and look up Webster's definition of "logic", I think you're a little confused). So, the Crabs are so influential that they were able to garner a May 1 cutoff? You're a moron. Once again - and try to follow along - the rules were the same for everyone who entered the tourney. That's the logic that is not difficult to follow. I'm just taking a guess here, but I'd gather that your full-time job isn't traveling around the country checking birth certificates for youth lax, so you're just spewing completely uninformed crap now every time you say "holdback/prefirst" with your only backup being "everyone knows" and "I read on this forum" and "everyone says" so by God, it must be true.

The point with the kid who is the proper age is that I'm 100% positive that you'd watch the game, see him next to your little Johhny, and say "no way that kid is 13 - he's got to be a 2018". And you'd be wrong (again). But you helped to prove my point with your statement - "kids come in all shapes and sizes", so how do you know who is a holdback and who is just bigger for their age? Again, you're not checking birth certificates and transcripts. Please don't come unarmed to a battle of wits, quit while you're behind.

Trying to get you to understand about being in grade and age is useless. They dont go hand in hand in MD lacrosse like other states. Especially at the private schools.
So your simple argument comes down to since I cant tell who is a holdback/prefirst keep my mouth shut! Too Funny Crab Holdback/prefirst apologist. I have two children in a MIAA school. I am aware of all the shenanigans that go on with the children and holding them back. It is a shame it has bleed over into youth lacrosse. Crabs had some incredible teams when they were U13AA and U15AA and their HS teams. Their promotion of Grade base youth teams is a money play and a way for Crabs to game the system at youth level to their advantage. Disgusting behavior and completely opposite of all we are taught about the character of youth athletics and its competing in it.

I don't think anyone is having trouble understanding the holdback/prefirst discussion (although they are two different things - not entering your son into 1st grade because he may not be academically ready/mature enough is not exactly the same as holding him back to gain an advantage over other players in 7th/8th grade, unless you have a crystal ball which informs you your newborn will be a lax star). I do think that implying you are some sort of expert on holdbacks and know it all because you supposedly have 2 kids in an MIAA school is ridiculous. I routinely go to the doctor and watch House, but last time I checked no one is paying me to do open heart surgery.

You are too funny. Your analogies about a doctor are what I would expect from an holdback apologist. Your analogies,logic and arguments are so far off that they are actually funny! If you think all the prefirsts are held back due to academic standards you must have your head completely up RM's butt and cant see any light! And there is a bridge in LI I want to sell you too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

pre1st is not just for summer birthdays as the poster suggests. It is most often simply an extra year that private schools encourage before starting first grade. Regardless of why it is done, and would agree it is not done for sports reasons, it does make kids up to a full year older then their counterparts . If they need to do it for academics and socialization, it is great. For sports they should remain in the grade that their age would dictate by that state's standards. Most holdbacks go to MIAA schools which after taking a pre-1st then gives them up to a 2 year age advantage.

Many children and parents at MIAA schools have no choice about prefirst. If their child is born in June,July,Aug they are strongly encouraged not to go on to first grade. Basically they couldn't take on the high academic standards of First grade or their kindergarten student wasn't mature to take on the rigors of first grade. This is prior to first grade. The class has its on grade and classroom called prefirst.

But any parent may have his child held back in kindergarten regardless of birthday. And many MIAA ( along with many other private schools) take advantage of this. If you think the only reason is maturity it isnt. Why have your child behind a bunch of older children. Many parents with high income see that, and hold their children back. I noticed that many children held back without summer birthdays were children of parents who had played sports at a high level.

There is so many children heldback at these schools there is NO STIGMA attached to it, Actually many prefirst kids are told that they will be the leaders in first grade by their teachers. Which they should be as they will be a year older than the rest. Some assimilate without a problem in lower grades but many look out of place at these young ages.Worst part to me is many of these children shouldnt have been held back.

It probably would have remained a private school thing except that it has now had some impact on youth lacrosse. and people are passionate about lacrosse in Balt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the fool who cant follow logic. Dropping date to May 1 was made for one reason. To let more holdbacks/prefirsts in. Who is the king of holdbacks/prefirst. Do you even need an answer.We all know. No other reason. If not why not follow clear USL guidelines, or maybe add in August, maybe July at most. But to go to May 1. Yea right ... This gave an advantage to teams that draw holdbacks as YOU STILL NEEDED TO BE ON GRADE ... Just cause they allowed May 1 doesnt help any programs that dont have the mentality of the Maryland privates and a few others with holdbacks/prefirsts. Crabs probably wanted a Jan 1 deadline or earlier..

I know your brain is fried from the defeat but it is simple logic. And nice try with the child who is huge and proper age. So what?? Kids come in many shapes and sizes who said different??? And the lap thing?? another logic argument that would have landed to a F!
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Witty. The only part that you're correct on is that your argument is simple - but it's not logical (go and look up Webster's definition of "logic", I think you're a little confused). So, the Crabs are so influential that they were able to garner a May 1 cutoff? You're a moron. Once again - and try to follow along - the rules were the same for everyone who entered the tourney. That's the logic that is not difficult to follow. I'm just taking a guess here, but I'd gather that your full-time job isn't traveling around the country checking birth certificates for youth lax, so you're just spewing completely uninformed crap now every time you say "holdback/prefirst" with your only backup being "everyone knows" and "I read on this forum" and "everyone says" so by God, it must be true.

The point with the kid who is the proper age is that I'm 100% positive that you'd watch the game, see him next to your little Johhny, and say "no way that kid is 13 - he's got to be a 2018". And you'd be wrong (again). But you helped to prove my point with your statement - "kids come in all shapes and sizes", so how do you know who is a holdback and who is just bigger for their age? Again, you're not checking birth certificates and transcripts. Please don't come unarmed to a battle of wits, quit while you're behind.

Trying to get you to understand about being in grade and age is useless. They dont go hand in hand in MD lacrosse like other states. Especially at the private schools.
So your simple argument comes down to since I cant tell who is a holdback/prefirst keep my mouth shut! Too Funny Crab Holdback/prefirst apologist. I have two children in a MIAA school. I am aware of all the shenanigans that go on with the children and holding them back. It is a shame it has bleed over into youth lacrosse. Crabs had some incredible teams when they were U13AA and U15AA and their HS teams. Their promotion of Grade base youth teams is a money play and a way for Crabs to game the system at youth level to their advantage. Disgusting behavior and completely opposite of all we are taught about the character of youth athletics and its competing in it.

I don't think anyone is having trouble understanding the holdback/prefirst discussion (although they are two different things - not entering your son into 1st grade because he may not be academically ready/mature enough is not exactly the same as holding him back to gain an advantage over other players in 7th/8th grade, unless you have a crystal ball which informs you your newborn will be a lax star). I do think that implying you are some sort of expert on holdbacks and know it all because you supposedly have 2 kids in an MIAA school is ridiculous. I routinely go to the doctor and watch House, but last time I checked no one is paying me to do open heart surgery.

You are too funny. Your analogies about a doctor are what I would expect from an holdback apologist. Your analogies,logic and arguments are so far off that they are actually funny! If you think all the prefirsts are held back due to academic standards you must have your head completely up RM's butt and cant see any light! And there is a bridge in LI I want to sell you too.

I know, the arguments and analogies are pretty good, aren't they? Nothing for you to say - it's tough to be trumped by superior intellect. Maybe your parents should have held you back and you'd be able to keep up ;-)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure it makes sense - most Maryland teams would have no problem meeting the age requirements. Contrary to your opinion, all Maryland teams DO NOT have holdbacks and some work very hard to make sure they do not. This post is just trying to bring everyone down to Crabs level. The proof would be that they could show up to play at any age/grade tournament and qualify. Crabs would never do that. There is a big difference between what FCA does with respect to bringing age appropriate players that play up (ie legitimate 2020AA players who also play 2019AA) to play with their own grade/age group and what Crabs does by playing down with older kids in younger age groups. Do not pull all mid Atlantic teams into the mudpile with you.

Actually FCA 2020 brought 5 players down from AA to A in Young Guns to "fill out their roster", and they still couldn't pass and catch. Personally, I'd rather mix age than skill level - that's very unChristian of them... [/quote]

This tournament had two good teams, the rest were just ok. Compare the performance of all the other teams, ex. Crush and Crabs and you will see they all get routinely beat up by the other stronger East Coast teams from LI, MA, and MD. Crabs being at this tourney means nothing, they should've stayed home and played in Young Guns where they could've used hold backs to compete.[/quote]

Spoken like a true observer who watched from home rather than from in the stands...

Not going to fly across the country on 4th of July to watch my son play Crush when we can accomplish that on the east coast. Only reason to do it I guess would've been to play he Crabs without all the holdback so.

Just so outsiders know, the "holdbacks" and prefirst kids are limited to Gilman, Boys Latin, McDodogh and StPauls kids. The catholic schools, Calvert Hall and Loyola don't do that nonsense. They may get a few transfers but as a whole, they are the correct age. Look at Conrad, the best player in the country and UA all star MVP. He is an 18 year old who plays 3 sports. the Kellys at CHC are the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just so outsiders know, the "holdbacks" and prefirst kids are limited to Gilman, Boys Latin, McDodogh and StPauls kids. The catholic schools, Calvert Hall and Loyola don't do that nonsense. They may get a few transfers but as a whole, they are the correct age. Look at Conrad, the best player in the country and UA all star MVP. He is an 18 year old who plays 3 sports. the Kellys at CHC are the same.

Are you serious? Maybe that's because Loyola starts in 6th grade and CHC starts in 9th. Kind of hard to prefirst kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just so outsiders know, the "holdbacks" and prefirst kids are limited to Gilman, Boys Latin, McDodogh and StPauls kids. The catholic schools, Calvert Hall and Loyola don't do that nonsense. They may get a few transfers but as a whole, they are the correct age. Look at Conrad, the best player in the country and UA all star MVP. He is an 18 year old who plays 3 sports. the Kellys at CHC are the same.

Are you serious? Maybe that's because Loyola starts in 6th grade and CHC starts in 9th. Kind of hard to prefirst kids.

That was my point. Not all MIAA schools have "hold backs". Both Loyola and CHC have won the MIAA In the past few years with kids who are the correct age.

That is my point. The best player in the country went to Loyola and he was not a "holdback". Conrad played 3 sports and could never have played for Team 91 with their "rules".

Sounds to me like crab went across the country thinking they could beat crush without their holdbacks unfortunately they found out that Long Island is stronger when playing at appropriate levels. If all of you Maryland parent don't think that these prep schools don't sell themselves on how strong their sports programs are you are mistaken. You all think you are so much smarter than everybody else but you are being sold a bill of goods and are too Obamafied to know it. You and your children are being told that institutionalized cheating is ok so long as you have a reason no matter how thin, but cheating is still cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is my point. The best player in the country went to Loyola and he was not a "holdback". Conrad played 3 sports and could never have played for Team 91 with their "rules".

Not sure what that means. The commentator formDenver was talking about different players from both 91 and Crabs and thought he had noted several of the players were multi sport including 91 players. There were swimmers, gymnasts and soccer players to name a few.

Sorry for you Long Island parents but if Baltimore would suckle at the teet of a team like you do with the Spinella brothers we could put together a team that would dominate. We have different interests here. Enjoy your 7th grade win. You earned it. And for the future, if you don't want to lose to crabs by the rules in Maryland, please stay home the "crush" parents I met in the clarion hotel Friday night were only surpassed as a-holes by the parents at the crabs loss on Sunday. The Team 91 parents at the crabs loss were the worst I have seen in the past 10 years as a coach/parent. For the record, my son doesn't play for either of the teams mentioned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry for you Long Island parents but if Baltimore would suckle at the teet of a team like you do with the Spinella brothers we could put together a team that would dominate. We have different interests here. Enjoy your 7th grade win. You earned it. And for the future, if you don't want to lose to crabs by the rules in Maryland, please stay home the "crush" parents I met in the clarion hotel Friday night were only surpassed as a-holes by the parents at the crabs loss on Sunday. The Team 91 parents at the crabs loss were the worst I have seen in the past 10 years as a coach/parent. For the record, my son doesn't play for either of the teams mentioned.

Maryland "rules"? We don't have different rules. We have clubs that distort the rules (ie Crabs ) but there are no "Marykand rules" -just Maryland clubs that make the rest of us look bad.

Tournaments have rules. If the Long Island people want a tournament with strict age requirement, start a tournament that national teams will want to attend. If not, quit bitching about losing. Beach lax will continue to thrive without the obnoxious team "91's". Stay home. Thanks.

I never said there were Maryland rules idiot. I said the Beach lax tournament has rules so if you, as a long island parent, don't like it please feel free to stay home or adjust to the rules. Don't [lacrosse] about them. The team lost. Deal with it. The parents were the offset assholes I have seen In 10 years of coaching. You don't like it , stay home.

What nonsense are you talking about
My son has played on a 91 team for years and has been a 3 sport athlete
In fact 1 of his teammates is a 5 star football recruit as a qb that Maryland offered a spot I am sure they want him to redshirt a year or 2 to be on age with other Maryland kids his grad year

[lacrosse]. Is your son on an "elite team"? Is he on a Spinella team. We all know the [lacrosse] that goes on with team 91. If not, you are a paycheck.

What amuses me is all these LI people claming that LI kids are clearly superior in everyway to MD kids. Set aside the top team for each LI and MD and you have VERY similar talent for both areas. So LI won Denver so they have the top 20-24 kids (although other teams have a couple/few also). Ok. What about the others? No better than the rest. That's why LI parents have no integrity at the tournaments and on this board. Unlike a certain team win with class and quit with the LI BS. I was hoping both your teams would lose!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What nonsense are you talking about
My son has played on a 91 team for years and has been a 3 sport athlete
In fact 1 of his teammates is a 5 star football recruit as a qb that Maryland offered a spot I am sure they want him to redshirt a year or 2 to be on age with other Maryland kids his grad year

I played college football and I know you don't redshirt for "a year or 2". Please tell your parents that you are on the computer and then go to bed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never said there were Maryland rules idiot. I said the Beach lax tournament has rules so if you, as a long island parent, don't like it please feel free to stay home or adjust to the rules. Don't [lacrosse] about them. The team lost. Deal with it. The parents were the offset assholes I have seen In 10 years of coaching. You don't like it , stay home.

We can understand your grumpiness-it has been a tough week for Crabs getting proven to be not so worthy without their holdbacks in Denver and all. . What you wrote earlier is nothing like what your wrote above and it still reeks of arrogance. Do you want the rest of the teams that are tired of the Crabs distorting rules to stay home too?

Not affiliated in any way with crabs. I watched the beach lax game. If you Ada a team 91 parent who is bothered by the fact that you lost, start your own tournament and STOP BITCHING that you lost. No one wants to play in Long Island. Create a tournament that the rest of the country wants to play in or STFU. You Lost

If you want to prove long islands "supremacy" let's set up a game where the Spinellas can't influence. You Long Islanders" in?

If you are one of the Team 91 parents I met at the Clarion hotel over the weekend or the parents during the final game on Saturday then you are the worst.

Hey Genius-

If you were really from MD you would know that DMV, or District, Maryland and Virginia, describes DC and its surrounding counties not Baltimore.

Crabs pull kids from the DMV as does FCA on a smaller scale.

Where does the vaunted NPYLL draw teams from? The DMV and beyond to include Baltimore, Annapolis, Southern Maryland, Eastern Shore, Frederick County, etc. Lacrosse does exist in this region outside of Baltimore!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does the vaunted NPYLL draw teams from? The DMV and beyond to include Baltimore, Annapolis, Southern Maryland, Eastern Shore, Frederick County, etc. Lacrosse does exist in this region outside of Baltimore!

say it isnt so!!!

Question for Team91 Crush people. How many days a week does Team91 practice and want about winter and Spring?? I had heard 5 days a week,,but that cant be all year?
Just curious as they had some incredible skills for being so young.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want to prove long islands "supremacy" let's set up a game where the Spinellas can't influence. You Long Islanders" in?

How was the game influenced? The game had rules?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not affiliated in any way with crabs. I watched the beach lax game. If you Ada a team 91 parent who is bothered by the fact that you lost, start your own tournament and STOP BITCHING that you lost. No one wants to play in Long Island. Create a tournament that the rest of the country wants to play in or STFU. You Lost

Didnt Crabs / 91/ Express / etc just form the National Lacrosse Federation for this exact reason? They did form their own - and if it means Crabs and 91 meet more often, then we will need more bandwith for this forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the Hershey tournament schedule for the 2020s - notice Hogan has his 2020 team PLAYING UP in the U15 division. You would NEVER see the Crabs organization do that....

Kudos to Hogan

It is an age based division and they have summer birthdays so they HAVE to play U15 . They are simply playing them where they belong and following their owners rules. They do not have holdbacks on the team but they do have June, July and August birthdays making them ineligible for U13. They are NOT playing up.

Hawks Green is already playing 2020a - they can't put their A& AA together and their their ages align with the U15b. They are playing B-not A as a AA. They will do fine although their competition may not be thrilled. No second year 15s allowed in B either so this is the correct place for 2020 AAs with older kids and they should excel.

2020 Green is not playing 2020A and they are playing up, Green and Black could both be playing 2020A, but Green is playing 15B, 2020 Black is playing 2020A even though they are the B team in that age group and could probably fit into 13AA, 2019 Black is playing 15A even thought they are the B team in that age group and could fit into 15B, 2018 Black is playing JV, even though they are a B team in that age group, are all rising sophomores, and could play 15AA like other teams are doing. Never saw a rule about second year 15's in the guidelines, only 2nd year 13's. Give the guy some credit, he's not working it like some other tournament directors do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the Hershey tournament schedule for the 2020s - notice Hogan has his 2020 team PLAYING UP in the U15 division. You would NEVER see the Crabs organization do that....

Kudos to Hogan

It is an age based division and they have summer birthdays so they HAVE to play U15 . They are simply playing them where they belong and following their owners rules. They do not have holdbacks on the team but they do have June, July and August birthdays making them ineligible for U13. They are NOT playing up.

Hawks Green is already playing 2020a - they can't put their A& AA together and their their ages align with the U15b. They are playing B-not A as a AA. They will do fine although their competition may not be thrilled. No second year 15s allowed in B either so this is the correct place for 2020 AAs with older kids and they should excel.

2020 Green is not playing 2020A and they are playing up, Green and Black could both be playing 2020A, but Green is playing 15B, 2020 Black is playing 2020A even though they are the B team in that age group and could probably fit into 13AA, 2019 Black is playing 15A even thought they are the B team in that age group and could fit into 15B, 2018 Black is playing JV, even though they are a B team in that age group, are all rising sophomores, and could play 15AA like other teams are doing. Never saw a rule about second year 15's in the guidelines, only 2nd year 13's. Give the guy some credit, he's not working it like some other tournament directors do.

The 2022 teams were pretty weak also, so Hawks 2022 is playing up in U13.

Where's the twist, where's the twist
There's no pine tar in lacrosse [/quote]

"There's no pine tar in lacrosse" Congrats - that level of intellect perfectly justifies an academic holdback. And good news - it won't cost you a dime, cause you're "special"... [/quote]
That makes no sense, you come in with some donkey comment about major league baseball on a youth lacrosse forum and then follow it up with that, it just makes you hmmm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the Hershey tournament schedule for the 2020s - notice Hogan has his 2020 team PLAYING UP in the U15 division. You would NEVER see the Crabs organization do that....

Kudos to Hogan

It is an age based division and they have summer birthdays so they HAVE to play U15 . They are simply playing them where they belong and following their owners rules. They do not have holdbacks on the team but they do have June, July and August birthdays making them ineligible for U13. They are NOT playing up.

ARE TOO

all you have to do is step out onto the lax field with them and have your kids look up in the air about a foot and say "how old are you" to one of the players on the other team, and have them hesitate and say "um, 12. wait, I mean 13" and/or "hey - what grade are you in" and have them answer with no hesitation "10th - what about you" (yes, this happened at Young Guns this weekend - in 2019. And it wasn't a Crabs team. For real. Really!), and you have your answer. [/quote]

Oh come on, just for shitz and gigglez, give us a team name for this big strapping lad so we can be looking for them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where's the twist, where's the twist
There's no pine tar in lacrosse

"There's no pine tar in lacrosse" Congrats - that level of intellect perfectly justifies an academic holdback. And good news - it won't cost you a dime, cause you're "special"... [/quote]
That makes no sense, you come in with some donkey comment about major league baseball on a youth lacrosse forum and then follow it up with that, it just makes you hmmm[/quote]

You're a moron - clearly, if you read the whole post, it was an analogy. You likely don't know what that is, but if you Google it, they'll give you a nice big box with a definition. Oh crap, I just used another big word - OK, Google that one also, I apologize. Darn it, there I go again - my fault. It's just so hard to think of one syllable words so we can stay at your brain level... ;-)

There was one player on the 2019 Madlax National Team at Young Guns who was in 9th grade this past school year and played all year on Madlax 2018, but he will repeat 9th grade in private school in the fall so he has "reclassed" to 2019. And there is another who was on Madlax 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

all you have to do is step out onto the lax field with them and have your kids look up in the air about a foot and say "how old are you" to one of the players on the other team, and have them hesitate and say "um, 12. wait, I mean 13" and/or "hey - what grade are you in" and have them answer with no hesitation "10th - what about you" (yes, this happened at Young Guns this weekend - in 2019. And it wasn't a Crabs team. For real. Really!), and you have your answer.

Oh come on, just for shitz and gigglez, give us a team name for this big strapping lad so we can be looking for them[/quote]

Actually, it was two different teams - one was Cannons and one was FCA.

And Madlax (see above)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

all you have to do is step out onto the lax field with them and have your kids look up in the air about a foot and say "how old are you" to one of the players on the other team, and have them hesitate and say "um, 12. wait, I mean 13" and/or "hey - what grade are you in" and have them answer with no hesitation "10th - what about you" (yes, this happened at Young Guns this weekend - in 2019. And it wasn't a Crabs team. For real. Really!), and you have your answer.

Oh come on, just for shitz and gigglez, give us a team name for this big strapping lad so we can be looking for them

Actually, it was two different teams - one was Cannons and one was FCA.[/quote]

Looney's and Breakers are the same way too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was one player on the 2019 Madlax National Team at Young Guns who was in 9th grade this past school year and played all year on Madlax 2018, but he will repeat 9th grade in private school in the fall so he has "reclassed" to 2019. And there is another who was on Madlax 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

How is that possible? It seems comical enough already, but now it is a free option for any 10th grader to say I plan to do a PG year and that is good enough to pass for him to play down a grade? That is truly pathetic.

Definateley was not a cannon 2019. All of those boys just finished 8th grade with 2 finished 7 th grade. Yes i have a son on the team. Not going to let that rumor start. The biggest kid is slso the youngest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was one player on the 2019 Madlax National Team at Young Guns who was in 9th grade this past school year and played all year on Madlax 2018, but he will repeat 9th grade in private school in the fall so he has "reclassed" to 2019. And there is another who was on Madlax 2018 all year and will continue into 10th grade in public school this fall (class of 2018) but has "reclassified" to 2019 for Club purposes by saying he will do a PG year.

How is that possible? It seems comical enough already, but now it is a free option for any 10th grader to say I plan to do a PG year and that is good enough to pass for him to play down a grade? That is truly pathetic.

It's 100% true. Madlax also has a 2020 public school kid playing on their 2021 team. And a 2017 public school kid on their 2018 team. And more.3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where's the twist, where's the twist
There's no pine tar in lacrosse

"There's no pine tar in lacrosse" Congrats - that level of intellect perfectly justifies an academic holdback. And good news - it won't cost you a dime, cause you're "special"...

That makes no sense, you come in with some donkey comment about major league baseball on a youth lacrosse forum and then follow it up with that, it just makes you hmmm[/quote]

You're a moron - clearly, if you read the whole post, it was an analogy. You likely don't know what that is, but if you Google it, they'll give you a nice big box with a definition. Oh crap, I just used another big word - OK, Google that one also, I apologize. Darn it, there I go again - my fault. It's just so hard to think of one syllable words so we can stay at your brain level... ;-) [/quote]

hey you moron, lacrosse is a two syllable word

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where's the twist, where's the twist
There's no pine tar in lacrosse

"There's no pine tar in lacrosse" Congrats - that level of intellect perfectly justifies an academic holdback. And good news - it won't cost you a dime, cause you're "special"...

That makes no sense, you come in with some donkey comment about major league baseball on a youth lacrosse forum and then follow it up with that, it just makes you hmmm

You're a moron - clearly, if you read the whole post, it was an analogy. You likely don't know what that is, but if you Google it, they'll give you a nice big box with a definition. Oh crap, I just used another big word - OK, Google that one also, I apologize. Darn it, there I go again - my fault. It's just so hard to think of one syllable words so we can stay at your brain level... ;-) [/quote]

hey you moron, lacrosse is a two syllable word[/quote]

Darn it - thanks! How did I do here? All good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definateley was not a cannon 2019. All of those boys just finished 8th grade with 2 finished 7 th grade. Yes i have a son on the team. Not going to let that rumor start. The biggest kid is slso the youngest.

wrong cannons - it was Carolina cannons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definateley was not a cannon 2019. All of those boys just finished 8th grade with 2 finished 7 th grade. Yes i have a son on the team. Not going to let that rumor start. The biggest kid is slso the youngest.

Funny how all the Cannons parents are quick to deny over age kids on their teams. Everyone knows that the 2022 team was caught by another club. Stop pretending

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definateley was not a cannon 2019. All of those boys just finished 8th grade with 2 finished 7 th grade. Yes i have a son on the team. Not going to let that rumor start. The biggest kid is slso the youngest.

Funny how all the Cannons parents are quick to deny over age kids on their teams. Everyone knows that the 2022 team was caught by another club. Stop pretending

Yes, they were! Maybe the boys that finished 8th grade were only held back twice...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definateley was not a cannon 2019. All of those boys just finished 8th grade with 2 finished 7 th grade. Yes i have a son on the team. Not going to let that rumor start. The biggest kid is slso the youngest.

Funny how all the Cannons parents are quick to deny over age kids on their teams. Everyone knows that the 2022 team was caught by another club. Stop pretending

Yes, they were! Maybe the boys that finished 8th grade were only held back twice...

Carolina Cannons is U based up to U-13 only. 2019 and higher are grade based. Nobody on the 2019 team was in HS last year. On top of this, their top 2019 actually plays on the 2018 team. You are barking up the wrong tree here. There are young players on their U13 and U11 teams who are not typical grade, but on a U team that doesn't matter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where's the twist, where's the twist
There's no pine tar in lacrosse

"There's no pine tar in lacrosse" Congrats - that level of intellect perfectly justifies an academic holdback. And good news - it won't cost you a dime, cause you're "special"...

That makes no sense, you come in with some donkey comment about major league baseball on a youth lacrosse forum and then follow it up with that, it just makes you hmmm

You're a moron - clearly, if you read the whole post, it was an analogy. You likely don't know what that is, but if you Google it, they'll give you a nice big box with a definition. Oh crap, I just used another big word - OK, Google that one also, I apologize. Darn it, there I go again - my fault. It's just so hard to think of one syllable words so we can stay at your brain level... ;-)

hey you moron, lacrosse is a two syllable word[/quote]

Darn it - thanks! How did I do here? All good? [/quote]
Thanks all good....good an al og y

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definateley was not a cannon 2019. All of those boys just finished 8th grade with 2 finished 7 th grade. Yes i have a son on the team. Not going to let that rumor start. The biggest kid is slso the youngest.

wrong cannons - it was Carolina cannons

No - it was the MD Cannons team. No rumors - that's exactly what happened, so ither the kids are not bright enough to remember their ages, or someone is full of it...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definateley was not a cannon 2019. All of those boys just finished 8th grade with 2 finished 7 th grade. Yes i have a son on the team. Not going to let that rumor start. The biggest kid is slso the youngest.

Funny how all the Cannons parents are quick to deny over age kids on their teams. Everyone knows that the 2022 team was caught by another club. Stop pretending

Yes, they were! Maybe the boys that finished 8th grade were only held back twice...

Carolina Cannons is U based up to U-13 only. 2019 and higher are grade based. Nobody on the 2019 team was in HS last year. On top of this, their top 2019 actually plays on the 2018 team. You are barking up the wrong tree here. There are young players on their U13 and U11 teams who are not typical grade, but on a U team that doesn't matter

They are talking about the MD Cannone not Carolina...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definateley was not a cannon 2019. All of those boys just finished 8th grade with 2 finished 7 th grade. Yes i have a son on the team. Not going to let that rumor start. The biggest kid is slso the youngest.

Funny how all the Cannons parents are quick to deny over age kids on their teams. Everyone knows that the 2022 team was caught by another club. Stop pretending

Yes, they were! Maybe the boys that finished 8th grade were only held back twice...

Carolina Cannons is U based up to U-13 only. 2019 and higher are grade based. Nobody on the 2019 team was in HS last year. On top of this, their top 2019 actually plays on the 2018 team. You are barking up the wrong tree here. There are young players on their U13 and U11 teams who are not typical grade, but on a U team that doesn't matter

They are talking about the MD Cannone not Carolina...

I thought this was the Crabs thread??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definateley was not a cannon 2019. All of those boys just finished 8th grade with 2 finished 7 th grade. Yes i have a son on the team. Not going to let that rumor start. The biggest kid is slso the youngest.

Funny how all the Cannons parents are quick to deny over age kids on their teams. Everyone knows that the 2022 team was caught by another club. Stop pretending

Yes, they were! Maybe the boys that finished 8th grade were only held back twice...

Carolina Cannons is U based up to U-13 only. 2019 and higher are grade based. Nobody on the 2019 team was in HS last year. On top of this, their top 2019 actually plays on the 2018 team. You are barking up the wrong tree here. There are young players on their U13 and U11 teams who are not typical grade, but on a U team that doesn't matter

They are talking about the MD Cannone not Carolina...

I thought this was the Crabs thread??

You are correct, A friend told me that he heard the Crabs took a bunch of kids that were a year older to the Ocean and barely beat a team from New [lacrosse] to win the tournament and then played the same team a few weeks later with the kids who should have originally been on the team and got run off the field, did anyone else hear about that? Is that true?

think it's in this thread because there isn't a Cannons one, probably cause it's not worth starting one since they're no good? I guess you can always click that little x in the corner of your computer screen if you don't want to read it though... ;-)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought this was the Crabs thread??

You are correct, A friend told me that he heard the Crabs took a bunch of kids that were a year older to the Ocean and barely beat a team from New [lacrosse] to win the tournament and then played the same team a few weeks later with the kids who should have originally been on the team and got run off the field, did anyone else hear about that? Is that true?

Please tell me you have this wrong! It cant be true! I suspect the Crabs beat the Team from LI with a group of players playing up in age. That's the Crabs way! And after the game the very well mannered soft spoken Long Island parents gave all the Crabs parents a big group hug along with many accolades! Get your facts straight!

Yes, at least 2- 2019 Kids in the spring season were added to the 2020 team for Beach lax. It's the Crab way!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought this was the Crabs thread??

You are correct, A friend told me that he heard the Crabs took a bunch of kids that were a year older to the Ocean and barely beat a team from New [lacrosse] to win the tournament and then played the same team a few weeks later with the kids who should have originally been on the team and got run off the field, did anyone else hear about that? Is that true?

Please tell me you have this wrong! It cant be true! I suspect the Crabs beat the Team from LI with a group of players playing up in age. That's the Crabs way! And after the game the very well mannered soft spoken Long Island parents gave all the Crabs parents a big group hug along with many accolades! Get your facts straight!

It may not be and hopefully it isn't true, heard it second hand so they could have misunderstood what was said. I would find it hard to believe in a game with the honor and tradition that game and culture of lacrosse has, that any coach or organization would try this or that anyone would allow their child to be involved in something like that....I really hope my friend was wrong, would be really sad if this was true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, at least 2- 2019 Kids in the spring season were added to the 2020 team for Beach lax. It's the Crab way!!!

It was 5 kids from the 2019 team not to mention they also had the holdbacks!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, at least 2- 2019 Kids in the spring season were added to the 2020 team for Beach lax. It's the Crab way!!!

It was 5 kids from the 2019 team not to mention they also had the holdbacks!!

many kids who were proper age didn't get on the field because of the holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, at least 2- 2019 Kids in the spring season were added to the 2020 team for Beach lax. It's the Crab way!!!

It was 5 kids from the 2019 team not to mention they also had the holdbacks!!

many kids who were proper age didn't get on the field because of the holdbacks

And many kids on T91 didn't see the field at Mile High either...who cares? Tell your kid to hit the wall, hit the gym and get better so that it doesn't happen again. If your kid is a great player it's hard to keep him on the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, at least 2- 2019 Kids in the spring season were added to the 2020 team for Beach lax. It's the Crab way!!!

It was 5 kids from the 2019 team not to mention they also had the holdbacks!!

many kids who were proper age didn't get on the field because of the holdbacks

If you have a club of all great teams at all ages and you bring down players from a team a year older. Your great kid will be hitting the bench. That is the point.

And many kids on T91 didn't see the field at Mile High either...who cares? Tell your kid to hit the wall, hit the gym and get better so that it doesn't happen again. If your kid is a great player it's hard to keep him on the bench.

The WYSL - Team 91 issue is different for the championship game. If it's true that one kid did not get in until less than five minutes to go in a blow out, that is a crappy statement to make for respect of the team concept and sacrifices families made in a fairly short window to attend.

The game was not close after the first eight minutes. Everyone there DVRed or watched the game on the ESPN app/site, but those kids had no chance for that moment of having their name called or seeing their image on TV. How many 13/14 year old lax players have the opportunity to be on TV? How many of those players will play D1 in a game that will make a national broadcast? Would two or three changes of possession have made that much difference in the outcome of the game - maybe it's 15-9 instead.

Tell a 12 or 13 year old kid to hit the gym. I am missing the part where this philosophy in the youth game is to compete well and make it fun for the kids involved. You can still accomplish great things and keep those two objectives in mind. No wonder youth lacrosse isn't growing anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tell a 12 or 13 year old kid to hit the gym. I am missing the part where this philosophy in the youth game is to compete well and make it fun for the kids involved. You can still accomplish great things and keep those two objectives in mind. No wonder youth lacrosse isn't growing anymore.

You had me right up to the last sentence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, at least 2- 2019 Kids in the spring season were added to the 2020 team for Beach lax. It's the Crab way!!!

It was 5 kids from the 2019 team not to mention they also had the holdbacks!!

many kids who were proper age didn't get on the field because of the holdbacks

If you have a club of all great teams at all ages and you bring down players from a team a year older. Your great kid will be hitting the bench. That is the point.

And many kids on T91 didn't see the field at Mile High either...who cares? Tell your kid to hit the wall, hit the gym and get better so that it doesn't happen again. If your kid is a great player it's hard to keep him on the bench.

The T91 kids that sat were 2020 rostered players. They are part of the team and presumably know and accept that to be on T91 they may sit and are okay with it or they would have left a long time ago. The Crabs players that sat at Beach Lax were rostered players on the 2020 who were pushed aside to allow the 2019 rostered players brought down for the tournament to play. Several of those 2019 players have been back playing with their 2019 team this summer. Big difference when you bring in "guest" players and push your regular team aside.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The WYSL - Team 91 issue is different for the championship game. If it's true that one kid did not get in until less than five minutes to go in a blow out, that is a crappy statement to make for respect of the team concept and sacrifices families made in a fairly short window to attend.

The game was not close after the first eight minutes. Everyone there DVRed or watched the game on the ESPN app/site, but those kids had no chance for that moment of having their name called or seeing their image on TV. How many 13/14 year old lax players have the opportunity to be on TV? How many of those players will play D1 in a game that will make a national broadcast? Would two or three changes of possession have made that much difference in the outcome of the game - maybe it's 15-9 instead.

If the kids on the team are not complaining perhaps they know that this is the deal for them to be on T91. It is not our call to make.

We can certainly call out Team 91 for the horrible sportsmanship (30-0!) and laughable attention to only their top 5 players.

I don't agree with playing as elect few starters the entire game, however, they didn't cheat or bend the rules. The issue of some kids only getting a few minutes a game is an issue between the kids, parents and the coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We can certainly call out Team 91 for the horrible sportsmanship (30-0!) and laughable attention to only their top 5 players.

Glass houses....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We can certainly call out Team 91 for the horrible sportsmanship (30-0!) and laughable attention to only their top 5 players.

Deflect much? If you pick apart sportsmanship and attention to only some players, you need to lump yourself in the pot. Benching rostered players and playing unrostered older kids is not up there with high prized qualities. At least this team beat yours with age appropriate players. They just happen to do it on national tv.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't agree with playing as elect few starters the entire game, however, they didn't cheat or bend the rules. The issue of some kids only getting a few minutes a game is an issue between the kids, parents and the coach.

The reality of tournaments is that there are mismatches. Simple human decency let alone sportsmanship would result in subs being played to make the game less of a blowout. These are 13 year olds not high school or college players. That is why Team 91's treatment of their reserves is not just an internal team matter.

The goals of youth club lacrosse should be for the kids to have fun and improve so they can be better in high school and college.

Unfortunately we have moved to where the goal of club lacrosse is to increase to glory and financial well being of the club and the club owner. The kids are just a means to that end.

As a rec lax coach, the "playtime" discussion is something that comes up with several parents every year. It's a tough situation, but all players are simply not created equal. On a club team, you would assume that the players much are closer in skill than in rec, but that is unfortunately not the case, so I completely understand uneven playtime - it's unfortunate, but coaches are trying to balance a win (which all the kids and parents want) along with even play (which a few parents and their kids probably want). That said, when you are winning 30-0, you not only should be playing everyone, you should be letting them try out whichever position they always ever wanted to try, because no team is coming back from a beating like that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't agree with playing as elect few starters the entire game, however, they didn't cheat or bend the rules. The issue of some kids only getting a few minutes a game is an issue between the kids, parents and the coach.

The reality of tournaments is that there are mismatches. Simple human decency let alone sportsmanship would result in subs being played to make the game less of a blowout. These are 13 year olds not high school or college players. That is why Team 91's treatment of their reserves is not just an internal team matter.

The goals of youth club lacrosse should be for the kids to have fun and improve so they can be better in high school and college.

Unfortunately we have moved to where the goal of club lacrosse is to increase to glory and financial well being of the club and the club owner. The kids are just a means to that end.

Simple human decency and sportsmanship should also prevent holdbacks and playing down, but they don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't agree with playing as elect few starters the entire game, however, they didn't cheat or bend the rules. The issue of some kids only getting a few minutes a game is an issue between the kids, parents and the coach.

The reality of tournaments is that there are mismatches. Simple human decency let alone sportsmanship would result in subs being played to make the game less of a blowout. These are 13 year olds not high school or college players. That is why Team 91's treatment of their reserves is not just an internal team matter.

The goals of youth club lacrosse should be for the kids to have fun and improve so they can be better in high school and college.

Unfortunately we have moved to where the goal of club lacrosse is to increase to glory and financial well being of the club and the club owner. The kids are just a means to that end.

Simple human decency and sportsmanship should also prevent holdbacks and playing down, but they don't.

I agree. Both the Crabs and Team 91 hold themselves out as being the best the sport has to offer when in fact the adults involved seem to be in a competition to demonstrate the worst in youth sports.

In the end, nothing is going to improve until other teams tell teams like the Crabs and Team 91 to go play with themselves and stop participating in tournaments and leagues where they are involved.

When did Hogan Hershey become such an uncompetitive lineup?

Hogan events are for the masses.
Not elite events.
Well run though

You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Aside from Madlax and Hawks, there are not many teams from the typically dominant clubs.

Hogan's tournaments ARE very well organized. Hershey was great this year.

Summer Exposure had a lot of good programs. From hotbeds, Igloo, Legacy, Hawks, Bethesda, Breakers, Koopers, Greene Turtle, among others. From non-hotbeds, good programs from Texas, NC, MN and FL.

Hershey was more geographically diverse and plenty of teams from hotbeds, but, true, not AA teams. Makes sense that AA teams want to play each other. Bit of a chicken and egg problem, but Summer Exposure shows that they can easily add AA divisions. Hershey sure was great for us, a team from nowhere, to go play a bunch of hotbed and non-hotbed teams from bigger cities, versus winning a regional tournament. Plus regional tournaments don't seem to actually enforce age and grade rules like Hogan's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

- How many Crabs are trying out somewhere else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan's tournaments ARE very well organized. Hershey was great this year.

Summer Exposure had a lot of good programs. From hotbeds, Igloo, Legacy, Hawks, Bethesda, Breakers, Koopers, Greene Turtle, among others. From non-hotbeds, good programs from Texas, NC, MN and FL.

Hershey was more geographically diverse and plenty of teams from hotbeds, but, true, not AA teams. Makes sense that AA teams want to play each other. Bit of a chicken and egg problem, but Summer Exposure shows that they can easily add AA divisions. Hershey sure was great for us, a team from nowhere, to go play a bunch of hotbed and non-hotbed teams from bigger cities, versus winning a regional tournament. Plus regional tournaments don't seem to actually enforce age and grade rules like Hogan's.

Hogan seems to be taking the age thing seriously, good for them. As others have pointed out, very frustrating for normal teams to show up at a tournament and get blown out by an elite team or a team playing the age game.

At the end of the day this is a business for them, and if they can offer their customers a good product - fair competition - I'm sure they will do just fine. Everyone does not need to get steamrolled by Crush or deal with the Crabs holdbacks to feel like they had good competition.

I don�t think there is anything wrong with participating in a tournament without Team 91, Crabs, Loonies/�dominant clubs� attending. My son plays on a mid-level caliber team that just won Hogan Hershey 2020A bracket, got a t-shirt and had fun with no allusions D-1 coaches were there scouting them. Did have one tough game against Club Blue All-Stars 2020. No clue where the competition (LWLC, Harvest Lax Academy/Rochester) fit in all these �rankings�.
I�m sure some teams/parents came away disappointed and others were fine with what it was � a youth lacrosse tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Hogan's Summer Exp. had some very strong teams attend when it comes to 2021. Hawks, Igloo, BLC, NC Cannons, and Koopers. The "masses" from that tournament would and have beat many of the stronger teams in the same age bracket.

Get over yourself. Kids reclass in other sports all the time, and nobody cries about it.

If the tournament has grade based divisions, then you have nothing to complain about. If you don't like it, only play for a club that plays in age based tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

The whole crabs cheat because of holdbacks thing is getting a little old and played out don't ya think???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

Predictable response crabbie dad.
Hard to believe not everyone wants to be a Crab? Some parents do have other hopes for their kids including good character and morals and are strong enough to stay clear of the type of team Crabs is. Each team has a personality and that team is not a good match culture wise for our son and family. The poster asked, I responded. Do not need your opinion to know what is right for my child.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

The whole crabs cheat because of holdbacks thing is getting a little old and played out don't ya think???

Crabs cheat not because of holdbacks which are questionable ethically and what their teams are built on but because they bring down rostered 2019 players to play a tournament with 2020s. . Next tourney same kids are back playing 2019. Until they stop with their behavior the topic will never get old.

Here's what I don't understand if you live in NC, VA or Md:

In the unlikely event a kid is good enough that, as a holdback, he could get an early commit and actually get on the field for a top 10 lax school, wouldn't he be good enough after his junior varsity season to get a thumb on the scale for admissions and walk-on at UVA, UNC or Md? You save a TON of money, not to mention your son has an extra year of career earnings. I'm new to this, so what am I missing?

I understand that, if you can get enough financial aid or afford it, holding back a year so you can preferential admissions and a partial scholarship to Duke or the top Ivies might make sense. It's makes your kid "pointy" (god I hate the demise of "well-rounded" meaning something good at those admissions departments) and can break the admissions logjam for even an academically qualified kid. If I thought my kid would have the best college experience at, say, Princeton (which I don't), and could get in due to lacrosse if I sent him to an elite boarding school as a holdback, I'd consider it if I could pay for it. But that's a pretty narrow set of circumstances.

Otherwise and regardless of where you live, if your kid is truly good enough to play D1, and your kid applies to a university where he's academically qualified enough to succeed, surely he can still get a little admissions help from the coach as a preferred walk-on. Wouldn't saving that extra year of private school tuition (much less 4 years) be worth more than a 25% scholarship?

Not being rhetorical. I have held-back relatives playing at an elite boarding school and some that played MIAA (on age), but they're DIII, not DI guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

Predictable response crabbie dad.
Hard to believe not everyone wants to be a Crab? Some parents do have other hopes for their kids including good character and morals and are strong enough to stay clear of the type of team Crabs is. Each team has a personality and that team is not a good match culture wise for our son and family. The poster asked, I responded. Do not need your opinion to know what is right for my child.

Shoot... you are right.... all the kids on the Crabs are weak in character and immoral... you've got it all figured out... but seriously, Dad, how many times has Junior tried out and been cut... I know it hurts but just air it out. You'll feel better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

Predictable response crabbie dad.
Hard to believe not everyone wants to be a Crab? Some parents do have other hopes for their kids including good character and morals and are strong enough to stay clear of the type of team Crabs is. Each team has a personality and that team is not a good match culture wise for our son and family. The poster asked, I responded. Do not need your opinion to know what is right for my child.

Shoot... you are right.... all the kids on the Crabs are weak in character and immoral... you've got it all figured out... but seriously, Dad, how many times has Junior tried out and been cut... I know it hurts but just air it out. You'll feel better.

Nailed it! and him.

The issue of character is with the Crabs and the parents that allow their children to be part of the silly reclassification scheme. The kids are victims. The crabs aura of being the best is quickly fading. Everyone knows their game and with so many other talented teams on the rise - RMs perceived dominance of the youth lacrosse circuit will be over.

The beach lax stunt and the embarrassing defeat in Denver are the canary in the coal mine.

Who wants their kid to be classified with a group that needs to play down to get looks? The Crabs are using the kids as pawns to boost business, but are only getting them recruited playing younger kids. Look at what happened in Denver. Good coaches, clubs and talented kids don't need to play with younger kids to stand out.

[quote=Anonymous]The issue of character is with the Crabs and the parents that allow their children to be part of the silly reclassification scheme. The kids are victims. The crabs aura of being the best is quickly fading. Everyone knows their game and with so many other talented teams on the rise - RMs perceived dominance of the youth lacrosse circuit will be over.

The beach lax stunt and the embarrassing defeat in Denver are the canary in the coal mine.

Brilliant take, and what a wordsmith you are with the canary reference.... that absolutely know one gets. Ask the 12 new D1 commits how bad the Crabs youth lacrosse program is. Or ask the college coach's....but you wouldn't know anything about that canary lover.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

The whole crabs cheat because of holdbacks thing is getting a little old and played out don't ya think???

No, each week they put a team on the field it's a great topic of conversation. There is no logical reason for a kid to play against competition that is younger, none.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who wants their kid to be classified with a group that needs to play down to get looks? The Crabs are using the kids as pawns to boost business, but are only getting them recruited playing younger kids. Look at what happened in Denver. Good coaches, clubs and talented kids don't need to play with younger kids to stand out.

Yesterday I was walking down Park Avenue in Manhattan, I spotted an early commit and 4x AA from Hopkins. You know who cared? Nobody.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who wants their kid to be classified with a group that needs to play down to get looks? The Crabs are using the kids as pawns to boost business, but are only getting them recruited playing younger kids. Look at what happened in Denver. Good coaches, clubs and talented kids don't need to play with younger kids to stand out.

I would like someone to go through all the 2018 verbals on the list and count the reclass kids. I am going to say 50% if not higher started school late or have reclassed. It works I always go back to the Hockey study that showed the older kids make it to the NHL. Another way is to look at the birthdays of all the MLL players. I am sure that will work out to show it works to reclass. When it stops working reclass will stop happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

Predictable response crabbie dad.
Hard to believe not everyone wants to be a Crab? Some parents do have other hopes for their kids including good character and morals and are strong enough to stay clear of the type of team Crabs is. Each team has a personality and that team is not a good match culture wise for our son and family. The poster asked, I responded. Do not need your opinion to know what is right for my child.

Shoot... you are right.... all the kids on the Crabs are weak in character and immoral... you've got it all figured out... but seriously, Dad, how many times has Junior tried out and been cut... I know it hurts but just air it out. You'll feel better.

Nailed it! and him.

If thinking that makes you feel better, by all means. Often those willing to do anything to get ahead and are living through their children tend to lash out when others disagree with their actions or motives. Grown ups with character see that in others and move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who wants their kid to be classified with a group that needs to play down to get looks? The Crabs are using the kids as pawns to boost business, but are only getting them recruited playing younger kids. Look at what happened in Denver. Good coaches, clubs and talented kids don't need to play with younger kids to stand out.

Yeah, look what happened. They made the finals and lost to the best team in youth lacrosse. How embarrassing for the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

Predictable response crabbie dad.
Hard to believe not everyone wants to be a Crab? Some parents do have other hopes for their kids including good character and morals and are strong enough to stay clear of the type of team Crabs is. Each team has a personality and that team is not a good match culture wise for our son and family. The poster asked, I responded. Do not need your opinion to know what is right for my child.

As a crab parent I can say you are way off base. As a whole, the crabs organization is full of great families and great kids. I personally am not a fan of the holdbacks in youth lacrosse, but that does not mean that the teams are full of a bunch of degenerates. The kids are coached very well and their off the field priorities such as school and being a responsible young man are drilled into them.

If you don't wan't your son to play on a team with holdbacks that's your choice. Just not sure where you are going to have your son play considering almost all the teams have at least one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

Predictable response crabbie dad.
Hard to believe not everyone wants to be a Crab? Some parents do have other hopes for their kids including good character and morals and are strong enough to stay clear of the type of team Crabs is. Each team has a personality and that team is not a good match culture wise for our son and family. The poster asked, I responded. Do not need your opinion to know what is right for my child.

As a crab parent I can say you are way off base. As a whole, the crabs organization is full of great families and great kids. I personally am not a fan of the holdbacks in youth lacrosse, but that does not mean that the teams are full of a bunch of degenerates. The kids are coached very well and their off the field priorities such as school and being a responsible young man are drilled into them.

If you don't wan't your son to play on a team with holdbacks that's your choice. Just not sure where you are going to have your son play considering almost all the teams have at least one.

Good post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

Not- hard to teach kids about fair play, good sportsmanship etc. and then let them be on a cheating team full of holdbacks whose only purpose is to win at all costs. No thank you. Not worth 4 years of college "glory".

Or is it that junior is just not a good enough player... let's be honest, Dad.

Predictable response crabbie dad.
Hard to believe not everyone wants to be a Crab? Some parents do have other hopes for their kids including good character and morals and are strong enough to stay clear of the type of team Crabs is. Each team has a personality and that team is not a good match culture wise for our son and family. The poster asked, I responded. Do not need your opinion to know what is right for my child.

As a crab parent I can say you are way off base. As a whole, the crabs organization is full of great families and great kids. I personally am not a fan of the holdbacks in youth lacrosse, but that does not mean that the teams are full of a bunch of degenerates. The kids are coached very well and their off the field priorities such as school and being a responsible young man are drilled into them.

If you don't wan't your son to play on a team with holdbacks that's your choice. Just not sure where you are going to have your son play considering almost all the teams have at least one.

How can they be taught to be responsible young men with the example their parents and coaches are setting by encouraging holdbacks or playing on a team that brings older kids down just to win a tournament? A responsible parent would have stood up for their son and told RM that they do not agree with bringing unrostered older players in just to win. It was wrong and you all stood by and let it happen. We are sure the kids are nice kids -it is the example being set for them to win at all costs that most disagree with and the go along with the pack mentality being bred. To each their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who wants their kid to be classified with a group that needs to play down to get looks? The Crabs are using the kids as pawns to boost business, but are only getting them recruited playing younger kids. Look at what happened in Denver. Good coaches, clubs and talented kids don't need to play with younger kids to stand out.

I would like someone to go through all the 2018 verbals on the list and count the reclass kids. I am going to say 50% if not higher started school late or have reclassed. It works I always go back to the Hockey study that showed the older kids make it to the NHL. Another way is to look at the birthdays of all the MLL players. I am sure that will work out to show it works to reclass. When it stops working reclass will stop happening.

Depends on what your goals are for your children. If it is purely to get into college and play lacrosse at the expense of what is considered by most to be good sportsmanship and responsible, then that is your choice but do not keep justifying the fact that does not take into account anyone else but your little junior and knowing he was not good enough in his own age group.

You can talk about all the speaking up that you want but let's be realistic on how the system works. Let's imagine that your son is good enough that he should be able to play in college. You have external sources telling you this who have coached or played at that level.

You research the list of clubs in the DMV/Baltimore area for the best fit if you are willing to travel - meaning continued development as well as putting your son on the field at the correct moment. It turns out that you have to put up with some morally questionable behavior for this potential college coach stage. You must decide where that line is and you can still teach your son the morality of the decisions being made. Is one weekend of sitting on the bench worth denying your son the opportunity?

Are you telling me that you have never choked down a question of morality at some point in your life - family, work, school? If you have never let your boss or client get away with something that you would never allow for yourself/son?

If you are so pure, then we need your name for sainthood and to hold up for ourselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can talk about all the speaking up that you want but let's be realistic on how the system works. Let's imagine that your son is good enough that he should be able to play in college. You have external sources telling you this who have coached or played at that level.

You research the list of clubs in the DMV/Baltimore area for the best fit if you are willing to travel - meaning continued development as well as putting your son on the field at the correct moment. It turns out that you have to put up with some morally questionable behavior for this potential college coach stage. You must decide where that line is and you can still teach your son the morality of the decisions being made. Is one weekend of sitting on the bench worth denying your son the opportunity?

Are you telling me that you have never choked down a question of morality at some point in your life - family, work, school? If you have never let your boss or client get away with something that you would never allow for yourself/son?

If you are so pure, then we need your name for sainthood and to hold up for ourselves.

Hey Joe Hardy, this you have summed up everything wrong with the Crabs without realizing it.
I heard the sales pitch a few years in a row and decided it was better to teach my son that he was not just a commodity, that it was ridiculous to assemble an all star team and be forced to commute 30 miles to play lacrosse when he was 11. He has learned those lessons through some of his friends who were the hot young thing and then were tossed to the curb by King Crab once the new hot young thing showed up and by watching some of the additional antics that go along with the circus.
Kids that don't play for the blue and yellow actually go to college and actually play lacrosse. Your following of the status quo and just drinking the kool aid and repeating the mantra "crabs are great, crabs are great, crabs are great, must play crabs, must play crabs, must play crabs" is actually sad and a little pathetic. To compare the work force to youth lacrosse is a bit of a stretch also. How very sad that they have convinced so many this is the only way to go.
Perhaps you should toss your name out there for sainthood or for martyrdom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

The college coaches have asked for the kids to be separated into as few elite teams as possible and they want them all to be in one or 2 places at once. They do not have the time and budget like football to go find Little Johnny in the middle of nowhere. So the club owners know this and they make it happen. At all cost they make it happen. There are tons of clubs for fun you can play for. You must dance with the devil to get it done. There are options if you want them. But they will not be playing in elite events with the elite teams. Go to any website that has a 2018 verbal list and read the clubs the kids play for. I am guessing it will be less then 30 clubs. And I am also betting that those 30 clubs are dancing with the Devil one way or the other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

don't know that many 16's or 17's that left for crabs, maybe a few in those two groups and one came back
there is no 2017 hawks team,
do you honestly think the three 2018's that left would not have been recruited if they had stayed with the Hawks and I think only one has verballed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

The college coaches have asked for the kids to be separated into as few elite teams as possible and they want them all to be in one or 2 places at once. They do not have the time and budget like football to go find Little Johnny in the middle of nowhere. So the club owners know this and they make it happen. At all cost they make it happen. There are tons of clubs for fun you can play for. You must dance with the devil to get it done. There are options if you want them. But they will not be playing in elite events with the elite teams. Go to any website that has a 2018 verbal list and read the clubs the kids play for. I am guessing it will be less then 30 clubs. And I am also betting that those 30 clubs are dancing with the Devil one way or the other.

Tried it and you are right. There were a bunch of Crabs and 91 players a couple FCA and sweet lax then everything else is spread out. No looneys, Hawks, breakers etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

If the objective is to be seen. I'm pretty sure they attend a lot of the same tournaments and play in the same league, so not sure what the competition comment means.
I would much rather have my kids play for Matt Hogan than for someone who pretends to have been in the game at high levels.
I do recall the 2015 Hawks team sending a pretty fair amount of players to college and have heard the 2018's have a lot of kids being looked at.

The college coaches have asked for the kids to be separated into as few elite teams as possible and they want them all to be in one or 2 places at once. They do not have the time and budget like football to go find Little Johnny in the middle of nowhere. So the club owners know this and they make it happen. At all cost they make it happen. There are tons of clubs for fun you can play for. You must dance with the devil to get it done. There are options if you want them. But they will not be playing in elite events with the elite teams. Go to any website that has a 2018 verbal list and read the clubs the kids play for. I am guessing it will be less then 30 clubs. And I am also betting that those 30 clubs are dancing with the Devil one way or the other. [/quote]

Did Ryan or Cabell tell you this before they convinced you to sign on the dotted line? My son doesn't play for the "elite team", but have seen all of the major Division 1 coaches at all of his tournaments this summer so far. Don't know what else I can ask for from our second rate club, he is getting good coaching and exposure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

Kudos to you on a stellar high school and college career

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

- How many Crabs are trying out somewhere else?

The 40% of kids they cut every year definitely will be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

It was just a fluke that St. Mary's won the MIAA with all those kids playing for the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

It was just a fluke that St. Mary's won the MIAA with all those kids playing for the Hawks.

We should see St. Mary's in the finals again in say.. 20 more years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is coming so . . .

- How many are considering coming to the Crabs tryouts and why?

- How many are considering NOT coming to the Crabs and why not?

- How many Crabs are trying out somewhere else?

The 2021 goalie DELETED

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

It was just a fluke that St. Mary's won the MIAA with all those kids playing for the Hawks.

We should see St. Mary's in the finals again in say.. 20 more years.

St. Mary's could be good for a while if they have the scholarships. Lots of Talent still in the Severna Park, South River, Annapolis, Kent Island, Broadneck public schools. Severn and Spalding not much competition. The north Baltimore MIAA schools just beat each other up for kids and have cleaned out the talent from the public schools for a 20 mile radius.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

It was just a fluke that St. Mary's won the MIAA with all those kids playing for the Hawks.

We should see St. Mary's in the finals again in say.. 20 more years.

St. Mary's could be good for a while if they have the scholarships. Lots of Talent still in the Severna Park, South River, Annapolis, Kent Island, Broadneck public schools. Severn and Spalding not much competition. The north Baltimore MIAA schools just beat each other up for kids and have cleaned out the talent from the public schools for a 20 mile radius.

Coach bailed = setback

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You sir are a d-bag and what is wrong with the entire scene. "For the masses"? Probably never played a competitive game in your life.

Actually I did in High school 3 sports, College-2...
Hawks is fine when you are younger. Competition not always the best.
Tourneys are meant for the masses, not elite...

They will field 2 teams at each age bracket and bring in a lot of money.

Kids go to Crabs an other clubs to play with the best and get recruited.

Look at their 2016,2017, 2018 teams..
Kids that left recruited/comitted..

Those who stay, Well..........

It was just a fluke that St. Mary's won the MIAA with all those kids playing for the Hawks.

We should see St. Mary's in the finals again in say.. 20 more years.

St. Mary's could be good for a while if they have the scholarships. Lots of Talent still in the Severna Park, South River, Annapolis, Kent Island, Broadneck public schools. Severn and Spalding not much competition. The north Baltimore MIAA schools just beat each other up for kids and have cleaned out the talent from the public schools for a 20 mile radius.

Coach bailed = setback

Coach bailed and 20 seniors gone.
Same old St Marys'...
Let the good ones go.

2015 team had a lot of hawks kids that played together.
Won't see something like that for a while.

2016's left or were hardly recruited.
2017's blew up and all left.
2018's have some nice kids but word is not many bites from recruiters...

I recently saw coaches get up and leave a Hawks game at big tourney.
Moved over to watch Crabs, FCA and team 91 games.

Canarys were taken into coal mines by miners to warn the miners about carbon monoxide. Canary would die first.

Beach lax, the absolute thrashing by 91 on TV, the arrival of 91 to MD, pending age requirements by U.S. lacrosse all spell doom for RM's sideshow.

Did you happen to see Looneys lost to 91 by one goal? Quite a different result than we saw in Denver with the Crabs age restricted team which was awful.

Did you happen to see Looneys lost to 91 by one goal? Quite a different result than we saw in Denver with the Crabs age restricted team which was awful.

That Looney team with their faceoff guy are the best team south of LI, and probably #2 behind Crush, Express giving them a run for their money.

[quote=Anonymous]Did you happen to see Looneys lost to 91 by one goal? Quite a different result than we saw in Denver with the Crabs age restricted team which was awful.

That Looney team with their faceoff guy are the best team south of LI, and probably #2 behind Crush, Express giving them a run for their money.

Probably not as they lost to the Crabs during the year. Wrong again.

Crabs lost to looneys in the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost to looneys in the fall.

You all need to stat the year of the team not just the club name. All these teams start at u9 and go to 2016. Please its just four numbers after the name thanks you

next year will be interesting for sure with the MD 2020 club teams. Interested to see what happens with tryouts. What boys try out for what team, Team 91 forming a team in MD, the make up of the Crabs 2020 team rumored to have more hold backs coming from 2019 team, FCA 2020 with 2020 players who played on the 19s, status of Breakers with 91 hiring their best coach and possible upgrades with the Looney's team..... I am sure this forum will be busy for years to come.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost to looneys in the fall.

You all need to stat the year of the team not just the club name. All these teams start at u9 and go to 2016. Please its just four numbers after the name thanks you

Talking 2020, it is by far the most competitive age group out there with the most high end talented teams.

Crabs without holdbacks are mediocre. Looneys, 91, Hawks beat them 9 times out of 10 with age correct players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost to looneys in the fall.

You all need to stat the year of the team not just the club name. All these teams start at u9 and go to 2016. Please its just four numbers after the name thanks you

Talking 2020, it is by far the most competitive age group out there with the most high end talented teams.

You have zero perspective, only myopia based on your kid. There are many grades with far more talented teams (both in terms of the teams as well as the number of talented kids).

Get over yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost to looneys in the fall.

You all need to stat the year of the team not just the club name. All these teams start at u9 and go to 2016. Please its just four numbers after the name thanks you

Talking 2020, it is by far the most competitive age group out there with the most high end talented teams.

You have zero perspective, only myopia based on your kid. There are many grades with far more talented teams (both in terms of the teams as well as the number of talented kids).

Get over yourself.

none as talented as 2020, don't be jealous there!

Just curious if u rated the best 10 2020 teams this summer who would they be. Not trying to stir the pot here just interested as we are setting our Fall Schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious if u rated the best 10 2020 teams this summer who would they be. Not trying to stir the pot here just interested as we are setting our Fall Schedule.

Check the 2020 thread in the LI section, was discussed a couple of days ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious if u rated the best 10 2020 teams this summer who would they be. Not trying to stir the pot here just interested as we are setting our Fall Schedule.

1) Crush

following in no particular order

2) Looney's
3) Express Terps
4) Crabs
5) Legacy TAZ
6) Hawks
7) Tomahawks
8) Breakers
9) Edge
10) FCA
11) Laxacheusettes
12) Rising Sons

Crush is hands down the top team, no other team better. Teams 2-10 could beat each other one day then lose to the same team the following. There are other which are very talented as well, but these are the teams I keep an eye on in tournaments.

Next season though, you can put this years Crabs 2019 team in at the #2 spot, as many will be holdbacks and reclassed on the 2020 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious if u rated the best 10 2020 teams this summer who would they be. Not trying to stir the pot here just interested as we are setting our Fall Schedule.

not in a particular order. Just teams that should be able to enter top 2020 bracket (AA) of any tournament and be competitive:Breakers, Roughriders, Hawks, Crabs, FCA, Looneys, Bethesda. Next tier that are very good but not elite: Diamondbacks, MDX, VLC, Cannons, Next Level. Add in some of the second teams from FCA, breakers & Looney's. Maybe Laxworld, Hoco and probably a few others I missed that have some talent.

I have 2019, 2020, 2022 boys. I'd say this is the grad yr out of those yrs with the most quality teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost to looneys in the fall.

You all need to stat the year of the team not just the club name. All these teams start at u9 and go to 2016. Please its just four numbers after the name thanks you

Talking 2020, it is by far the most competitive age group out there with the most high end talented teams.

You have zero perspective, only myopia based on your kid. There are many grades with far more talented teams (both in terms of the teams as well as the number of talented kids).

Get over yourself.

none as talented as 2020, don't be jealous there!

Well if you are saying the talent level of Lacrosse overall is getting better every year. Then I could say 2021 is better then 2020 and 2022 is better then 2021 and 2023 is better then 2022. Point being trying to compare is nuts. It can not be done. Unless you want to use a list of D1 starters and put them on here in 8 years or so.

Not saying that. 2020 for whatever reason has the most competitive teams in the area. Every single one of your top programs have highly competitive teams. All of them are talented, not just a few. Most other age groups will have two or three highly competitive teams, 2020 has ; Looney's, Crabs, Breakers, Hawks, Fca to name a few, pluse numerous "A" teams which are very competitive and can and have beaten many "AA" from other areas such as Breakers, FCA, and Looney's.

This isn't uncommon at all, many other sports have hit years for whatever reason. Hockey for instance is very strong I the 2000 birth year.

Crabs, loonies, fca, hawks, breakers, sons, freedom, hhh, tri state, patriot, crush, express, legacy, laxachusettes, tomahawks, sweetlax, 3d national, edge

FWIW, 2021's seems to have the talent pretty evenly distributed among the top 15 teams in the country. Top team keeps winning, but with a lot of 1-goal games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, loonies, fca, hawks, breakers, sons, freedom, hhh, tri state, patriot, crush, express, legacy, laxachusettes, tomahawks, sweetlax, 3d national, edge

Some of those teams don't belong at all

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, loonies, fca, hawks, breakers, sons, freedom, hhh, tri state, patriot, crush, express, legacy, laxachusettes, tomahawks, sweetlax, 3d national, edge

What year are you referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, loonies, fca, hawks, breakers, sons, freedom, hhh, tri state, patriot, crush, express, legacy, laxachusettes, tomahawks, sweetlax, 3d national, edge

What year are you referring to?

2020, the age group with the most talent as a whole

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, loonies, fca, hawks, breakers, sons, freedom, hhh, tri state, patriot, crush, express, legacy, laxachusettes, tomahawks, sweetlax, 3d national, edge

What year are you referring to?

I believe be was referring to 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, loonies, fca, hawks, breakers, sons, freedom, hhh, tri state, patriot, crush, express, legacy, laxachusettes, tomahawks, sweetlax, 3d national, edge

What year are you referring to?

2020, the age group with the most talent as a whole

Based on what? There are other grades with more talent than that one.

nope not even close. College recruiters are going to be passing on a lot of the 2019 class to offer 2020's. I was personally told that. Big showcases coming up for 2020's in the next coming year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

nope not even close. College recruiters are going to be passing on a lot of the 2019 class to offer 2020's. I was personally told that. Big showcases coming up for 2020's in the next coming year.

That is very interesting because I feel like once the 2019s hear that more kids will reclassify to 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

nope not even close. College recruiters are going to be passing on a lot of the 2019 class to offer 2020's. I was personally told that. Big showcases coming up for 2020's in the next coming year.

Can you expand on this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

nope not even close. College recruiters are going to be passing on a lot of the 2019 class to offer 2020's. I was personally told that. Big showcases coming up for 2020's in the next coming year.

Can you expand on this?

College teams are saving the money for 2020's because it is a deeper pool of talent then the 2019

I really don't see it in the 2020's

To the parent that says they don't like it - well then - switch teams. No other youth lacrosse program in the area promotes reclassification like the Crabs. I'd be willing to bet RM gets some kind of deal from BL for every family he convinces to hold their kid back in 7th and 8th grade. He is scheister and a cheat and is ruining the integrity of the game. I hope US Lacrosse does something soon to address this gaming of the system by people like him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't see it in the 2020's

You don't have too, the high school and college coaches already see it...they are the only ones that matter

2019 seems way stronger. 2020 is awful in northern va. Is the talent more localized in Md and ny? I do see an awful lot of hold backs in the 2020's but that's hard to gauge.

2020 in MD through Mass is stronger than 2019, so much so, that many hold back 2019 don't even start.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 in MD through Mass is stronger than 2019, so much so, that many hold back 2019 don't even start.

That is a load of bullsh1t. With the exception of Looneys and Breakers - because the rest of their teams are irrelevant - there is not a 2020 team in MD or VA that could beat its 2019 counterpart.

Good Lord.....this hold back nonsense is all u guys talk about on here!? give it a rest. go to ravens practice. catch an Orioles game. drink a couple beers.

Baltimore can support roughly 3 teams per graduation year. There are too many teams now, especially at the younger ages. It will be interesting to see what teams, other than Crabs and FCA, will be able to attract the best players as the teams consolidate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 in MD through Mass is stronger than 2019, so much so, that many hold back 2019 don't even start.

That is a load of bullsh1t. With the exception of Looneys and Breakers - because the rest of their teams are irrelevant - there is not a 2020 team in MD or VA that could beat its 2019 counterpart.

explain why a few weeks ago an assistant coach from one of the final four NCAA lax teams came out and spoke with our team (2020 boys) and the parents. the coach told the parents that they are aware of depth in the 2020's and he feels they will be much more heavily recruited than the previous graduation years. the coach met with at least 3 other 2020 teams and basically said the same thing to each of them. oh, this coach flew in with the sole purpose of watching a few 2020 teams in the tournaments that were coming up at the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 in MD through Mass is stronger than 2019, so much so, that many hold back 2019 don't even start.

That is a load of bullsh1t. With the exception of Looneys and Breakers - because the rest of their teams are irrelevant - there is not a 2020 team in MD or VA that could beat its 2019 counterpart.

explain why a few weeks ago an assistant coach from one of the final four NCAA lax teams came out and spoke with our team (2020 boys) and the parents. the coach told the parents that they are aware of depth in the 2020's and he feels they will be much more heavily recruited than the previous graduation years. the coach met with at least 3 other 2020 teams and basically said the same thing to each of them. oh, this coach flew in with the sole purpose of watching a few 2020 teams in the tournaments that were coming up at the time.

Who was the coach and which teams did he meet with?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 in MD through Mass is stronger than 2019, so much so, that many hold back 2019 don't even start.

That is a load of bullsh1t. With the exception of Looneys and Breakers - because the rest of their teams are irrelevant - there is not a 2020 team in MD or VA that could beat its 2019 counterpart.

explain why a few weeks ago an assistant coach from one of the final four NCAA lax teams came out and spoke with our team (2020 boys) and the parents. the coach told the parents that they are aware of depth in the 2020's and he feels they will be much more heavily recruited than the previous graduation years. the coach met with at least 3 other 2020 teams and basically said the same thing to each of them. oh, this coach flew in with the sole purpose of watching a few 2020 teams in the tournaments that were coming up at the time.

He met with the 2019's last year and told them the same thing, it is called a sales pitch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore can support roughly 3 teams per graduation year. There are too many teams now, especially at the younger ages. It will be interesting to see what teams, other than Crabs and FCA, will be able to attract the best players as the teams consolidate.

The best or just the biggest and oldest for the graduation year?

Ok, I'll start by saying I'm not a Maryland or NY parent. Following the MD Terps 2018 tourney and the Crabs 2018 team took the title. Congrats.

Can anyone explain to me how Sweetlax with 10, count them 10, D1 early verbals gets man handled by the Crabs not once but twice 7-2 (pool play) and 7-4 (title). I know the Crabs are a great team, but everyone billed these Sweetlax players as the greatest on the planet.

Curious how full starting lineup of Hop, UVA, Cuse commits can't hang with the Crabs.

Crabs team is full of Holdbacks - that's their thing.

was kinda funny watching the parents make the 2019 crab kids drive home from College Park as punishment for losing in Young Guns, heard one kid whining that he didn't feel like driving and the dad saying to him "if you can't drive to the goal, you're driving up 95" Classic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 in MD through Mass is stronger than 2019, so much so, that many hold back 2019 don't even start.

That is a load of bullsh1t. With the exception of Looneys and Breakers - because the rest of their teams are irrelevant - there is not a 2020 team in MD or VA that could beat its 2019 counterpart.

explain why a few weeks ago an assistant coach from one of the final four NCAA lax teams came out and spoke with our team (2020 boys) and the parents. the coach told the parents that they are aware of depth in the 2020's and he feels they will be much more heavily recruited than the previous graduation years. the coach met with at least 3 other 2020 teams and basically said the same thing to each of them. oh, this coach flew in with the sole purpose of watching a few 2020 teams in the tournaments that were coming up at the time.

You convinced me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how full starting lineup of Hop, UVA, Cuse commits can't hang with the Crabs.

on a positive note for Sweetlax....they won 90%+ of the face-offs in both games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, I'll start by saying I'm not a Maryland or NY parent. Following the MD Terps 2018 tourney and the Crabs 2018 team took the title. Congrats.

Can anyone explain to me how Sweetlax with 10, count them 10, D1 early verbals gets man handled by the Crabs not once but twice 7-2 (pool play) and 7-4 (title). I know the Crabs are a great team, but everyone billed these Sweetlax players as the greatest on the planet.

Curious how full starting lineup of Hop, UVA, Cuse commits can't hang with the Crabs.

Because Sweetlax has decided to make a defacto National team where guys from hundreds of miles away are part of the "team". But those guys don't attend every tournament, so Sweetlax looks a lot different when it's just their core team from NY.

In other words, the 10 D1 commits they have is a smokescreen. Most of those guys are mercenaries who have only played a handful of times with Sweetlax. Some have only played once with Sweetlax.

I imagine the Sweetlax team that played this weekend didn't have those mercenaries with them. Don't get me wrong - they are a very good club. But their D1 commit list is completely skewed by guys who aren't really playing for them.

Still on here talking about hold backs? Orioles are on now I think

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain to me how Sweetlax with 10, count them 10, D1 early verbals gets man handled by the Crabs....

sweetlax just announced their "13th Division I commit in the 2018 class"

Its the world we live in. Most of this travel lax stuff is BS. Everyone takes credits for getting a kid recruited. Something is wrong with lax bro's that coach and have programs. You ever here a high school football coach saying I got the kid recruited? NO they don't. Kids get themselves recruited not coaches. I'm sure there are some favors done to get a committed but what does that mean anyway? There is really no negative impact on universities for committing kids early, because there is no money tied to lacrosse. Lacrosse is just weird. Refs are the most sensitive refs out of any sport. Hey clubs stop taking credit for putting a Division 1 talented kid on your team and then acting like you made him that way. BS.

I saw the new Crab T-Shirts for next year.
Lacrosse and Holdbacks, It's What We Do

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw the new Crab T-Shirts for next year.
Lacrosse and Holdbacks, It's What We Do

Love the Wedding Crashers reference!!

Originally Posted by The Hop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw the new Crab T-Shirts for next year.
Lacrosse and Holdbacks, It's What We Do

Love the Wedding Crashers reference!!

Cmon man...be a little more original! Lol

Can Madlax 2019 get some credit for winning the tournament this weekend. It seems to me there where lots of top teams and some on here try to act like this team is not a top ten 2019 team in the country .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can Madlax 2019 get some credit for winning the tournament this weekend. It seems to me there where lots of top teams and some on here try to act like this team is not a top ten 2019 team in the country .

Lose the 10th grader(s) and you will get credit for your wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can Madlax 2019 get some credit for winning the tournament this weekend. It seems to me there where lots of top teams and some on here try to act like this team is not a top ten 2019 team in the country .

Kudos to you on your astonishing win.

Their faceoff guy played really well.

Which tournaments did the 2019 Crabs win this summer?

[quote=Anonymous]Which tournaments did the 2019 Crabs win this summer? [/quote
They won the 2020 division at Berlin and then won the World Series of Youth Lacrosse in Denver. Pretty sure they are the only ones they won this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Which tournaments did the 2019 Crabs win this summer? [/quote
They won the 2020 division at Berlin and then won the World Series of Youth Lacrosse in Denver. Pretty sure they are the only ones they won this season.

I see what you did there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Which tournaments did the 2019 Crabs win this summer? [/quote
They won the 2020 division at Berlin and then won the World Series of Youth Lacrosse in Denver. Pretty sure they are the only ones they won this season.

I thought the Li team won Denver?? 2019 winning 2020 tournament..Funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Which tournaments did the 2019 Crabs win this summer? [/quote
They won the 2020 division at Berlin and then won the World Series of Youth Lacrosse in Denver. Pretty sure they are the only ones they won this season.

I thought the Li team won Denver?? 2019 winning 2020 tournament..Funny

Nope, was edited to make Peter Griffin, sorry meant Cryan Ryan, look bad. They didn't show all of the Crab goals, it was actually 23-19 Crabs in overtime.

How many kids on the Crabs 2020 are born before 9/1/2001? I know for sure a 2020 who repeated 7th grade and starts on the 2020.

[quote=Anonymous]How many kids on the Crabs 2020 are born before 9/1/2001? I know for sure a 2020 who repeated 7th grade and starts on the 2020.

We could try and call them and ask. Wait, most of them are at D1 prospect days this week so they wouldn't answer. Sucks for you haters....although there is always next year for you guys.....wait....or probably not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How many kids on the Crabs 2020 are born before 9/1/2001? I know for sure a 2020 who repeated 7th grade and starts on the 2020.

We could try and call them and ask. Wait, most of them are at D1 prospect days this week so they wouldn't answer. Sucks for you haters....although there is always next year for you guys.....wait....or probably not.

Sad when the only thing in life you care about is your son's D1 prospects. Poor kid but hey he is a D1 prospect so all is good until oh wait...he graduates and he realizes that daddy can not fix everything for him any longer by manipulating the system.

We saw in Denver how dominate the Crabs 2020 team was vs Team 91 when they played an aged based tournament. Team 91 is the real deal. Maybe you guys can win it next year!! Oh sorry, it will be age based again.

I laugh at all you guys. I played D1 and you are owned by the coach and school. Not sure all kids want that. Girls, Fraternities and beer can cause a problem for grades. Also, you need to keep your grades up to stay on the team. Hire a tutor and let your kids play d2 or d3 and have fun and sew their oats. There is no money in MLL except for a few stars. 50 to 100k per year to play lax with all the travel is not worth it. My 2 cents. Now all you sideline dads, HS superstars, will kick in I am sure. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I laugh at all you guys. I played D1 and you are owned by the coach and school. Not sure all kids want that. Girls, Fraternities and beer can cause a problem for grades. Also, you need to keep your grades up to stay on the team. Hire a tutor and let your kids play d2 or d3 and have fun and sew their oats. There is no money in MLL except for a few stars. 50 to 100k per year to play lax with all the travel is not worth it. My 2 cents. Now all you sideline dads, HS superstars, will kick in I am sure. LOL

Great post and good advice - thanks for the insight.

How long before Team91MD takes over dominance in the MD/DC club lacrosse area?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long before Team91MD takes over dominance in the MD/DC club lacrosse area?

I heard the same talk when 3d came to town and we all know how that worked out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long before Team91MD takes over dominance in the MD/DC club lacrosse area?

They will be just like the rest of decent clubs. They will be mining for the better players against all the other clubs with some reputation. I dont see them being dominate , probably similar to Breakers,Loonies,Greene Turtle, etc...
Have some good teams along with some not so good teams.

The last thing MD needs is another club option. 91 has had impressive results but in MD, unlike most other lacrosse regions, one only has to travel 10-15 minutes (in general) to find a competitive club. The area is saturated...Crabs, Breakers, FCA, Greene Turtle, Rock, now 91...and don't count out Looney's and Koopers at the younger ages...too many teams for a small player population. Long Island or NJ have significantly greater populations and far fewer competitive teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long before Team91MD takes over dominance in the MD/DC club lacrosse area?

They will be just like the rest of decent clubs. They will be mining for the better players against all the other clubs with some reputation. I dont see them being dominate , probably similar to Breakers,Loonies,Greene Turtle, etc...
Have some good teams along with some not so good teams.

I agree groups of kids stick together for lots of reasons. You will never be able to get the top 20 kids from an area in every year. Kids and parents will sometimes just want to stick with who they like or feel comfortable with. The schools have some many ties with all the teams and the best players are not always at the same school or schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I laugh at all you guys. I played D1 and you are owned by the coach and school. Not sure all kids want that. Girls, Fraternities and beer can cause a problem for grades. Also, you need to keep your grades up to stay on the team. Hire a tutor and let your kids play d2 or d3 and have fun and sew their oats. There is no money in MLL except for a few stars. 50 to 100k per year to play lax with all the travel is not worth it. My 2 cents. Now all you sideline dads, HS superstars, will kick in I am sure. LOL

Why pay a full price tuition at D3 to bust your butt and play a sport? Since you mentioned academics, please name a D2 lacrosse school with top flight academics. Go D1 and get 25% to 75% of your room and board paid for tax free. Or go to a service acdemicy or an Ivy (the best financial aid in the market).

Why pay a full price tuition at D3 to bust your butt and play a sport? Since you mentioned academics, please name a D2 lacrosse school with top flight academics. Go D1 and get 25% to 75% of your room and board paid for tax free. Or go to a service acdemicy or an Ivy (the best financial aid in the market). [/quote] If you can get into an Ivy, you will get enough academic money at D3 to make it work.

With good grades you can go D3 with decent lax skills and get merit scholar ships along with help from the lax coach. D3 does not give money for athletics but seems to find money for other reasons to get you on the team. Have fun in your youth as a good MD lax kid with good grades is a viable D3 prospect. If you want your kid to get a full ride to D1, you have a better chance on playing the lottery. $1 and a dream is cheaper that club lax dues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With good grades you can go D3 with decent lax skills and get merit scholar ships along with help from the lax coach. D3 does not give money for athletics but seems to find money for other reasons to get you on the team. Have fun in your youth as a good MD lax kid with good grades is a viable D3 prospect. If you want your kid to get a full ride to D1, you have a better chance on playing the lottery. $1 and a dream is cheaper that club lax dues.

Top academic schools (D1 or D3) don't give merit aid unless you're a full blown genius. See Ivies, little Ivies and the like. If you're willing to settle for a notch below academically and can't get a 25-75% ride to a Duke, Georgetown or ND, that's a great outcome. Given the choice, I want my sons to get paid (tax free) to put the same effort they would in D3. Whether its $25-45k tax free per year, every bit helps. That being said, if you qualify for a big chunk of FA, D1 or D3 doesn't matter.

For you parents chasing the "full ride" in lacrosse, I give you Dom Starsia
Said Virginia men's coach Dom Starsia: "If you take our Tewaaraton Award winners � Matt Ward, Chris Rotelli and Steele Stanwick � and added them all together, it might equal a little more than one full scholarship."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For you parents chasing the "full ride" in lacrosse, I give you Dom Starsia
Said Virginia men's coach Dom Starsia: "If you take our Tewaaraton Award winners � Matt Ward, Chris Rotelli and Steele Stanwick � and added them all together, it might equal a little more than one full scholarship."

If you pay all the money for all these teams, showcases and camps. You have enough money you really should not be taking a Scholarship away from a kid/family that needs the free money. Oh wait you are also paying 15k to 30k a year for high school.

Correct....very few FULL RIDES are given...20 and 30% is normal for an excellent player. And that's a good deal.

Just like O'Malley. Did you read this week that O'Malley and his wife have $379k in college loans for their kids. They had no mortgage for 8 years and together make over 300k per year. LOL. I guess he manages his money like he managed the state. Spend, spend, spend. If you save all the private school money and invest that in a 529 plan with aggressive investment plans, college would be paid for. I know, logic is just out of the questions.

Lacrosse is a sanctuary for 5'9 140 lb white kids who go to prep schools to masquerade as Division 1 athletes. Because in lacrosse you can. We all know that.

Just like O'Malley. Did you read this week that O'Malley and his wife have $379k in college loans for their kids. They had no mortgage for 8 years and together make over 300k per year. LOL. I guess he manages his money like he managed the state. Spend, spend, spend. If you save all the private school money and invest that in a 529 plan with aggressive investment plans, college would be paid for. I know, logic is just out of the questions.

Hey, Rob Panell is 5-2 170. I guess he skated through.

More Starsia "Finally, how do you choose one club over another? No matter what some of the club coaches might tell you, the college coaches do not really care what club you play for. All we care about is, are you good enough?"

More Starsia, like how embarrassing it is to be watching ninth graders before committing one the next day? I am not a Crabs parent or big fan, but the likelihood Dom Starsia would find a kid at some Trilogy tournament in lacrosse Siberia is zero. Early recruiters do the lazy man approach every year. They have blind faith in club or prep school pedigree which is kind of silly. Good recruiters don't care about that, Tierney is one. But there aren't a lot of guys taking his approach.

BTW, Starsia seems to be recruiting 8th graders very confidently for a guy whose contract is up in 9 months. Just sayin.

Starsia is full of it!
Inside Lacrosse article spotlighting Starsia where he states how recruiting young players is bad for the game....then this....from IL on July 8, 2015.

Canadian attackman Payton Cormier has verbally committed to Virginia, becoming the first publicly known commitment in the 2019 class. Cormier is a lefty from Mimico, Ont., who will attend Oakville Trafalgar High (Ont.) and plays for Mimico Minor Lacrosse.
This kid is not even in HS yet. Way to go Starsia!!!!!

ALL true....NCAA has really screwed this issue up!!Very ugly on their part. FIX THIS!!

Pietramala does it too. From an article last year on a kid who was a 16 year old freshman at BL committing to Hopkins before he even stepped on the field in a Freshman/JV or varsity high school game.
""The first thing I have to say is we're as guilty as anybody," said Hopkins coach Dave Pietramala, who under NCAA rules is not allowed to comment publicly on unsigned recruits. "We are not going to lie, we're doing it. Do I like doing it? No. Do we want more information on kids? Yeah, more information means fewer mistakes. The older they are the more mature decisions they make.

"That said, choosing Johns Hopkins in the ninth grade isn't the worst decision in the world. This is a great institution. But until the NCAA steps in and says no more recruiting ninth graders or 10th graders, it will continue to happen. Pandora's Box has been opened, but we don't know what comes out next."

This is not just a Hopkins thing. Virginia does it, and so do Syracuse and Duke, and all the other major powers in college lacrosse. Some dress it up differently, but it still comes down to taking advantage of young athlete.

The Baltimore Sun 2-21-2014. By the way, how the [lacrosse] is a freshman 16 years old? Kid played for crabs by the way...

NCAA fix this? Why? This is lacrosse we are blogging about here. Not football or men's basketball which are the money sports and the focus of the NCAA. Unless early recruiting is an issue where the money comes from, it isn't something that the NCAA cares a lick about. Until or if that happens, lacrosse coaches will have to find a way to work together and be bonded to some restraint. And remember, this is lacrosse we are blogging about...that won't happen. The early recruiting restraint kicks in when the serial ER coaches fail to win. If that happens it will matter, and ADs will fire them and...some change happens at that point. Not before then.

Pre-first, then 8th grade version 2.0 at Boys' Latin is how. Standard recipe in the MIAA. There is hardly such a thing as a 14 year old 9th grade lacrosse player anymore. Sad but true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pre-first, then 8th grade version 2.0 at Boys' Latin is how. Standard recipe in the MIAA. There is hardly such a thing as a 14 year old 9th grade lacrosse player anymore. Sad but true.

The best senior in the country, Conrad, just graduated High School at age 18. That means he was 14 starting 9th grade, like you're supposed to be. They're still out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pre-first, then 8th grade version 2.0 at Boys' Latin is how. Standard recipe in the MIAA. There is hardly such a thing as a 14 year old 9th grade lacrosse player anymore. Sad but true.

The best senior in the country, Conrad, just graduated High School at age 18. That means he was 14 starting 9th grade, like you're supposed to be. They're still out there.

Congratulations to him! Wish there were more families that had faith in their kid's talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pre-first, then 8th grade version 2.0 at Boys' Latin is how. Standard recipe in the MIAA. There is hardly such a thing as a 14 year old 9th grade lacrosse player anymore. Sad but true.

The best senior in the country, Conrad, just graduated High School at age 18. That means he was 14 starting 9th grade, like you're supposed to be. They're still out there.

Dont have any clue about this guy.. But in MIAA graduating at 18 is no guarantee that he wasn't held back. He could be 19 in June, July or August like most holdbacks.. If a player in his senior year turns 18 during school year and is a top talent in MIAA ..he is a rarity...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pre-first, then 8th grade version 2.0 at Boys' Latin is how. Standard recipe in the MIAA. There is hardly such a thing as a 14 year old 9th grade lacrosse player anymore. Sad but true.

The best senior in the country, Conrad, just graduated High School at age 18. That means he was 14 starting 9th grade, like you're supposed to be. They're still out there.

Ummm, no it doesn't

You can't repeat a grade in public school unless you flunk a grade, and I doubt that is a widely practiced lacrosse strategy by upper class predominantly white households. You can do it in the private schools, and that is a private family choice. I posted "there is hardly such a thing" and the general point is true. Youth lacrosse is littered with kids playing down 1-2 years because youth teams are school year based and there isn't a rule against repeating grades. The natural order is to go to a lacrosse prep school, and then hopefully play college lacrosse.

I don't think it is real healthy to pick one kid as a specimen sample to go check his birth date on the internet to bring back a eureka discovery about finding an 18 year old MIAA senior. Good for the 18 year old MIAA seniors, if you are still out there. Mom and Dad saved a year of prep school tuition and the kid is off to college as wished for. But let's cut the Cagney & Lacey baloney people...Crabs 2019 or Madlax 2019 or FCA 2019, the broad point is that youth lacrosse is poisoned by this all the way down the youth ranks now. It really isn't too convincing at all to come back and say here are the couple of Crabs who are on age. That is about as weak as a 90%+ white prep school putting a picture of the token minority kids on the front page of the brochures. This sport is inches away from a 30 for 30 ESPN expose on how badly this has gone. The opening segment could be Dom Starsia interview, followed by what he does the next day(s) or week(s) not comporting at all with each other.

I just googled the 2019 crab player who just announced his Verbal to UNC. His named came up on a 2018 crabs roster. And his name came up on high school JV roster as a 9th grader. Was this a error or is he a reclass doing 9th again, or is he doing a PG year. And the other 2019 kid is a Canada from Edge so we all know he is 15 and a half at the least.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pre-first, then 8th grade version 2.0 at Boys' Latin is how. Standard recipe in the MIAA. There is hardly such a thing as a 14 year old 9th grade lacrosse player anymore. Sad but true.

The best senior in the country, Conrad, just graduated High School at age 18. That means he was 14 starting 9th grade, like you're supposed to be. They're still out there.

Ummm, no it doesn't

Uhh, yes it does. The article in November of 2012 listed him as a 15 year old sophomore. So in 2014 he was a 17 year old senior who I assume turned 18 some time during the school year.

For the poster who said "pick one kid as a specimen sample". I didn't just pick one kid, I picked the best player in the country who just won the UA all star game MVP and is on the U-19 final 50. This BS that all MIAA schools play with older kids just simply isn't true of the Catholic schools. There may be a few kids here and there that have been held back for academic reasons or a kid who started at a school that has pre-first then moved over later but they are by far the exception rather than the rule. My kid is the correct age for his year so this isn't an issue for me. I do think that the MIAA should start to enforce the rule that you may not play a sport if you turn 19 prior to August 31st.

You did just pick one kid. One kid who happened to be a great player, but one kid. Hey man, come back with 30 names on the BL varsity roster who are on age. Or Gilman. Or CH, or Loyola...if this is by far the exception and not the rule, go right ahead and show us all up right now.

If the hold back epidemic is all bunk, it is a pretty easy thing to do to just point to the data and end the arguments. Have at it sport, we're all eyes for that post.

Spring 2000!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just googled the 2019 crab player who just announced his Verbal to UNC. His named came up on a 2018 crabs roster. And his name came up on high school JV roster as a 9th grader. Was this a error or is he a reclass doing 9th again, or is he doing a PG year. And the other 2019 kid is a Canada from Edge so we all know he is 15 and a half at the least.

My son is may 2000 birthday and he is starting 11th grade next month. Wow. I can't even picture him out there playing with 9th graders this fall. He'd run roughshod over them.

What is a PG year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't repeat a grade in public school unless you flunk a grade, and I doubt that is a widely practiced lacrosse strategy by upper class predominantly white households. You can do it in the private schools, and that is a private family choice. I posted "there is hardly such a thing" and the general point is true. Youth lacrosse is littered with kids playing down 1-2 years because youth teams are school year based and there isn't a rule against repeating grades. The natural order is to go to a lacrosse prep school, and then hopefully play college lacrosse.

I don't think it is real healthy to pick one kid as a specimen sample to go check his birth date on the internet to bring back a eureka discovery about finding an 18 year old MIAA senior. Good for the 18 year old MIAA seniors, if you are still out there. Mom and Dad saved a year of prep school tuition and the kid is off to college as wished for. But let's cut the Cagney & Lacey baloney people...Crabs 2019 or Madlax 2019 or FCA 2019, the broad point is that youth lacrosse is poisoned by this all the way down the youth ranks now. It really isn't too convincing at all to come back and say here are the couple of Crabs who are on age. That is about as weak as a 90%+ white prep school putting a picture of the token minority kids on the front page of the brochures. This sport is inches away from a 30 for 30 ESPN expose on how badly this has gone. The opening segment could be Dom Starsia interview, followed by what he does the next day(s) or week(s) not comporting at all with each other.

Do not paint FCA 2019 with the holdback/reclassified brush. To my knowlege, they have 2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000 and 4 or 5 are on-age-rising 8th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is a PG year?

Post Graduate school. Like going to a school like Heartgrave Military school. Just google high schools 9-12,PG and tons will pop up. Mostly boarding schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't repeat a grade in public school unless you flunk a grade, and I doubt that is a widely practiced lacrosse strategy by upper class predominantly white households. You can do it in the private schools, and that is a private family choice. I posted "there is hardly such a thing" and the general point is true. Youth lacrosse is littered with kids playing down 1-2 years because youth teams are school year based and there isn't a rule against repeating grades. The natural order is to go to a lacrosse prep school, and then hopefully play college lacrosse.

I don't think it is real healthy to pick one kid as a specimen sample to go check his birth date on the internet to bring back a eureka discovery about finding an 18 year old MIAA senior. Good for the 18 year old MIAA seniors, if you are still out there. Mom and Dad saved a year of prep school tuition and the kid is off to college as wished for. But let's cut the Cagney & Lacey baloney people...Crabs 2019 or Madlax 2019 or FCA 2019, the broad point is that youth lacrosse is poisoned by this all the way down the youth ranks now. It really isn't too convincing at all to come back and say here are the couple of Crabs who are on age. That is about as weak as a 90%+ white prep school putting a picture of the token minority kids on the front page of the brochures. This sport is inches away from a 30 for 30 ESPN expose on how badly this has gone. The opening segment could be Dom Starsia interview, followed by what he does the next day(s) or week(s) not comporting at all with each other.

Do not paint FCA 2019 with the holdback/reclassified brush. To my knowlege, they have 2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000 and 4 or 5 are on-age-rising 8th graders.

I love the logic of we only have 2 and you have 4 and they have 6 so they are the bad guys and we are not. How many reclassed kids tried out for the FCA team I am guessing 2 or 3. That is the point tell me when your club had a reclass kid show up and the owners said you are to old please go play for the crabs. Then I will be impressed. Show me on your clubs website where it says only on age kids may play for my team. then you will get credit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is may 2000 birthday and he is starting 11th grade next month. Wow. I can't even picture him out there playing with 9th graders this fall. He'd run roughshod over them.

Your son must have skipped a grade. Kids born in May 2000 are 15 years old and going into 10th grade, unless they were held back to 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pre-first, then 8th grade version 2.0 at Boys' Latin is how. Standard recipe in the MIAA. There is hardly such a thing as a 14 year old 9th grade lacrosse player anymore. Sad but true.

The best senior in the country, Conrad, just graduated High School at age 18. That means he was 14 starting 9th grade, like you're supposed to be. They're still out there.

Ummm, no it doesn't

Uhh, yes it does. The article in November of 2012 listed him as a 15 year old sophomore. So in 2014 he was a 17 year old senior who I assume turned 18 some time during the school year.

For the poster who said "pick one kid as a specimen sample". I didn't just pick one kid, I picked the best player in the country who just won the UA all star game MVP and is on the U-19 final 50. This BS that all MIAA schools play with older kids just simply isn't true of the Catholic schools. There may be a few kids here and there that have been held back for academic reasons or a kid who started at a school that has pre-first then moved over later but they are by far the exception rather than the rule. My kid is the correct age for his year so this isn't an issue for me. I do think that the MIAA should start to enforce the rule that you may not play a sport if you turn 19 prior to August 31st.

Ummm, no it doesn't

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pre-first, then 8th grade version 2.0 at Boys' Latin is how. Standard recipe in the MIAA. There is hardly such a thing as a 14 year old 9th grade lacrosse player anymore. Sad but true.

The best senior in the country, Conrad, just graduated High School at age 18. That means he was 14 starting 9th grade, like you're supposed to be. They're still out there.

Ummm, no it doesn't

Uhh, yes it does. The article in November of 2012 listed him as a 15 year old sophomore. So in 2014 he was a 17 year old senior who I assume turned 18 some time during the school year.

For the poster who said "pick one kid as a specimen sample". I didn't just pick one kid, I picked the best player in the country who just won the UA all star game MVP and is on the U-19 final 50. This BS that all MIAA schools play with older kids just simply isn't true of the Catholic schools. There may be a few kids here and there that have been held back for academic reasons or a kid who started at a school that has pre-first then moved over later but they are by far the exception rather than the rule. My kid is the correct age for his year so this isn't an issue for me. I do think that the MIAA should start to enforce the rule that you may not play a sport if you turn 19 prior to August 31st.

Ummm, no it doesn't

He is on the list of the top 50 (along with 3 other kids from Catholic schools who are also the correct age) for the U-19 Team USA. To be eligible you can not turn 19 before August 31st. SO....yes it does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is may 2000 birthday and he is starting 11th grade next month. Wow. I can't even picture him out there playing with 9th graders this fall. He'd run roughshod over them.

Your son must have skipped a grade. Kids born in May 2000 are 15 years old and going into 10th grade, unless they were held back to 9th grade.

So my son was born April 2001, he is going to be a freshman and plays 2019, If he was on Madlax or Crabs 2019 would where would he rank going oldest to youngest?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is may 2000 birthday and he is starting 11th grade next month. Wow. I can't even picture him out there playing with 9th graders this fall. He'd run roughshod over them.

Your son must have skipped a grade. Kids born in May 2000 are 15 years old and going into 10th grade, unless they were held back to 9th grade.

So my son was born April 2001, he is going to be a freshman and plays 2019, If he was on Madlax or Crabs 2019 would where would he rank going oldest to youngest?

He would be going back to do another stint in 8th grade and now be a 2020.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't repeat a grade in public school unless you flunk a grade, and I doubt that is a widely practiced lacrosse strategy by upper class predominantly white households. You can do it in the private schools, and that is a private family choice. I posted "there is hardly such a thing" and the general point is true. Youth lacrosse is littered with kids playing down 1-2 years because youth teams are school year based and there isn't a rule against repeating grades. The natural order is to go to a lacrosse prep school, and then hopefully play college lacrosse.

I don't think it is real healthy to pick one kid as a specimen sample to go check his birth date on the internet to bring back a eureka discovery about finding an 18 year old MIAA senior. Good for the 18 year old MIAA seniors, if you are still out there. Mom and Dad saved a year of prep school tuition and the kid is off to college as wished for. But let's cut the Cagney & Lacey baloney people...Crabs 2019 or Madlax 2019 or FCA 2019, the broad point is that youth lacrosse is poisoned by this all the way down the youth ranks now. It really isn't too convincing at all to come back and say here are the couple of Crabs who are on age. That is about as weak as a 90%+ white prep school putting a picture of the token minority kids on the front page of the brochures. This sport is inches away from a 30 for 30 ESPN expose on how badly this has gone. The opening segment could be Dom Starsia interview, followed by what he does the next day(s) or week(s) not comporting at all with each other.

Do not paint FCA 2019 with the holdback/reclassified brush. To my knowlege, they have 2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000 and 4 or 5 are on-age-rising 8th graders.

I love the logic of we only have 2 and you have 4 and they have 6 so they are the bad guys and we are not. How many reclassed kids tried out for the FCA team I am guessing 2 or 3. That is the point tell me when your club had a reclass kid show up and the owners said you are to old please go play for the crabs. Then I will be impressed. Show me on your clubs website where it says only on age kids may play for my team. then you will get credit.

2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000. That does not mean that they have repeated a grade, just that they are old for their grade. My son was born in August of 2000 and I chose to have him be old for his grade 8 years ago, when he was in kindergarten. That is wildly different than repeating 8th grade or completely ignoring the rules and playing down a grade because you "are considering a PG year".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't repeat a grade in public school unless you flunk a grade, and I doubt that is a widely practiced lacrosse strategy by upper class predominantly white households. You can do it in the private schools, and that is a private family choice. I posted "there is hardly such a thing" and the general point is true. Youth lacrosse is littered with kids playing down 1-2 years because youth teams are school year based and there isn't a rule against repeating grades. The natural order is to go to a lacrosse prep school, and then hopefully play college lacrosse.

I don't think it is real healthy to pick one kid as a specimen sample to go check his birth date on the internet to bring back a eureka discovery about finding an 18 year old MIAA senior. Good for the 18 year old MIAA seniors, if you are still out there. Mom and Dad saved a year of prep school tuition and the kid is off to college as wished for. But let's cut the Cagney & Lacey baloney people...Crabs 2019 or Madlax 2019 or FCA 2019, the broad point is that youth lacrosse is poisoned by this all the way down the youth ranks now. It really isn't too convincing at all to come back and say here are the couple of Crabs who are on age. That is about as weak as a 90%+ white prep school putting a picture of the token minority kids on the front page of the brochures. This sport is inches away from a 30 for 30 ESPN expose on how badly this has gone. The opening segment could be Dom Starsia interview, followed by what he does the next day(s) or week(s) not comporting at all with each other.

Do not paint FCA 2019 with the holdback/reclassified brush. To my knowlege, they have 2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000 and 4 or 5 are on-age-rising 8th graders.

I love the logic of we only have 2 and you have 4 and they have 6 so they are the bad guys and we are not. How many reclassed kids tried out for the FCA team I am guessing 2 or 3. That is the point tell me when your club had a reclass kid show up and the owners said you are to old please go play for the crabs. Then I will be impressed. Show me on your clubs website where it says only on age kids may play for my team. then you will get credit.

2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000. That does not mean that they have repeated a grade, just that they are old for their grade. My son was born in August of 2000 and I chose to have him be old for his grade 8 years ago, when he was in kindergarten. That is wildly different than repeating 8th grade or completely ignoring the rules and playing down a grade because you "are considering a PG year".

But you did not answer my question. Show me where it says only on age kids may play here. And did any reclass kids tryout for FCA and where they told they where told old? If you do not have a chance to cheat you can not say you do not cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't repeat a grade in public school unless you flunk a grade, and I doubt that is a widely practiced lacrosse strategy by upper class predominantly white households. You can do it in the private schools, and that is a private family choice. I posted "there is hardly such a thing" and the general point is true. Youth lacrosse is littered with kids playing down 1-2 years because youth teams are school year based and there isn't a rule against repeating grades. The natural order is to go to a lacrosse prep school, and then hopefully play college lacrosse.

I don't think it is real healthy to pick one kid as a specimen sample to go check his birth date on the internet to bring back a eureka discovery about finding an 18 year old MIAA senior. Good for the 18 year old MIAA seniors, if you are still out there. Mom and Dad saved a year of prep school tuition and the kid is off to college as wished for. But let's cut the Cagney & Lacey baloney people...Crabs 2019 or Madlax 2019 or FCA 2019, the broad point is that youth lacrosse is poisoned by this all the way down the youth ranks now. It really isn't too convincing at all to come back and say here are the couple of Crabs who are on age. That is about as weak as a 90%+ white prep school putting a picture of the token minority kids on the front page of the brochures. This sport is inches away from a 30 for 30 ESPN expose on how badly this has gone. The opening segment could be Dom Starsia interview, followed by what he does the next day(s) or week(s) not comporting at all with each other.

Do not paint FCA 2019 with the holdback/reclassified brush. To my knowlege, they have 2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000 and 4 or 5 are on-age-rising 8th graders.

I love the logic of we only have 2 and you have 4 and they have 6 so they are the bad guys and we are not. How many reclassed kids tried out for the FCA team I am guessing 2 or 3. That is the point tell me when your club had a reclass kid show up and the owners said you are to old please go play for the crabs. Then I will be impressed. Show me on your clubs website where it says only on age kids may play for my team. then you will get credit.

2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000. That does not mean that they have repeated a grade, just that they are old for their grade. My son was born in August of 2000 and I chose to have him be old for his grade 8 years ago, when he was in kindergarten. That is wildly different than repeating 8th grade or completely ignoring the rules and playing down a grade because you "are considering a PG year".

there is no difference. ethically and morally it is wrong for older kids to play in teams and in leagues with younger kids.

weather a child's parents chose for him to stay back a grade in kindergarten or 8th grade it is the same thing...older vs. younger!

The intent may have not been the same, but the reality or fact remains the same. Older kid is going to have an advantage over younger kid. FCA has holdbacks also! They all do!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't repeat a grade in public school unless you flunk a grade, and I doubt that is a widely practiced lacrosse strategy by upper class predominantly white households. You can do it in the private schools, and that is a private family choice. I posted "there is hardly such a thing" and the general point is true. Youth lacrosse is littered with kids playing down 1-2 years because youth teams are school year based and there isn't a rule against repeating grades. The natural order is to go to a lacrosse prep school, and then hopefully play college lacrosse.

I don't think it is real healthy to pick one kid as a specimen sample to go check his birth date on the internet to bring back a eureka discovery about finding an 18 year old MIAA senior. Good for the 18 year old MIAA seniors, if you are still out there. Mom and Dad saved a year of prep school tuition and the kid is off to college as wished for. But let's cut the Cagney & Lacey baloney people...Crabs 2019 or Madlax 2019 or FCA 2019, the broad point is that youth lacrosse is poisoned by this all the way down the youth ranks now. It really isn't too convincing at all to come back and say here are the couple of Crabs who are on age. That is about as weak as a 90%+ white prep school putting a picture of the token minority kids on the front page of the brochures. This sport is inches away from a 30 for 30 ESPN expose on how badly this has gone. The opening segment could be Dom Starsia interview, followed by what he does the next day(s) or week(s) not comporting at all with each other.

Do not paint FCA 2019 with the holdback/reclassified brush. To my knowlege, they have 2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000 and 4 or 5 are on-age-rising 8th graders.

I love the logic of we only have 2 and you have 4 and they have 6 so they are the bad guys and we are not. How many reclassed kids tried out for the FCA team I am guessing 2 or 3. That is the point tell me when your club had a reclass kid show up and the owners said you are to old please go play for the crabs. Then I will be impressed. Show me on your clubs website where it says only on age kids may play for my team. then you will get credit.

2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000. That does not mean that they have repeated a grade, just that they are old for their grade. My son was born in August of 2000 and I chose to have him be old for his grade 8 years ago, when he was in kindergarten. That is wildly different than repeating 8th grade or completely ignoring the rules and playing down a grade because you "are considering a PG year".

there is no difference. ethically and morally it is wrong for older kids to play in teams and in leagues with younger kids.

weather a child's parents chose for him to stay back a grade in kindergarten or 8th grade it is the same thing...older vs. younger!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pre-first, then 8th grade version 2.0 at Boys' Latin is how. Standard recipe in the MIAA. There is hardly such a thing as a 14 year old 9th grade lacrosse player anymore. Sad but true.

The best senior in the country, Conrad, just graduated High School at age 18. That means he was 14 starting 9th grade, like you're supposed to be. They're still out there.

Ummm, no it doesn't

Uhh, yes it does. The article in November of 2012 listed him as a 15 year old sophomore. So in 2014 he was a 17 year old senior who I assume turned 18 some time during the school year.

For the poster who said "pick one kid as a specimen sample". I didn't just pick one kid, I picked the best player in the country who just won the UA all star game MVP and is on the U-19 final 50. This BS that all MIAA schools play with older kids just simply isn't true of the Catholic schools. There may be a few kids here and there that have been held back for academic reasons or a kid who started at a school that has pre-first then moved over later but they are by far the exception rather than the rule. My kid is the correct age for his year so this isn't an issue for me. I do think that the MIAA should start to enforce the rule that you may not play a sport if you turn 19 prior to August 31st.

Ummm, no it doesn't

He is on the list of the top 50 (along with 3 other kids from Catholic schools who are also the correct age) for the U-19 Team USA. To be eligible you can not turn 19 before August 31st. SO....yes it does.

UMMM, NO IT DOESN'T

UMMM, NO IT DOESN'T

Hard to argue with that logic...All caps. Quite impressive. I suppose US Lacrosse just decided to waive the U-19 rules for these kids only. Brilliant. Idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't repeat a grade in public school unless you flunk a grade, and I doubt that is a widely practiced lacrosse strategy by upper class predominantly white households. You can do it in the private schools, and that is a private family choice. I posted "there is hardly such a thing" and the general point is true. Youth lacrosse is littered with kids playing down 1-2 years because youth teams are school year based and there isn't a rule against repeating grades. The natural order is to go to a lacrosse prep school, and then hopefully play college lacrosse.

I don't think it is real healthy to pick one kid as a specimen sample to go check his birth date on the internet to bring back a eureka discovery about finding an 18 year old MIAA senior. Good for the 18 year old MIAA seniors, if you are still out there. Mom and Dad saved a year of prep school tuition and the kid is off to college as wished for. But let's cut the Cagney & Lacey baloney people...Crabs 2019 or Madlax 2019 or FCA 2019, the broad point is that youth lacrosse is poisoned by this all the way down the youth ranks now. It really isn't too convincing at all to come back and say here are the couple of Crabs who are on age. That is about as weak as a 90%+ white prep school putting a picture of the token minority kids on the front page of the brochures. This sport is inches away from a 30 for 30 ESPN expose on how badly this has gone. The opening segment could be Dom Starsia interview, followed by what he does the next day(s) or week(s) not comporting at all with each other.

Do not paint FCA 2019 with the holdback/reclassified brush. To my knowlege, they have 2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000 and 4 or 5 are on-age-rising 8th graders.

I love the logic of we only have 2 and you have 4 and they have 6 so they are the bad guys and we are not. How many reclassed kids tried out for the FCA team I am guessing 2 or 3. That is the point tell me when your club had a reclass kid show up and the owners said you are to old please go play for the crabs. Then I will be impressed. Show me on your clubs website where it says only on age kids may play for my team. then you will get credit.

2 or 3 kids born before Sept of 2000. That does not mean that they have repeated a grade, just that they are old for their grade. My son was born in August of 2000 and I chose to have him be old for his grade 8 years ago, when he was in kindergarten. That is wildly different than repeating 8th grade or completely ignoring the rules and playing down a grade because you "are considering a PG year".

You did what Private schools call prefirst... Since he was a summer baby u held him back a grade year so he wouldnt be youngest in his class. If he donent play with his age group in youth , then he is no different than the other kids seeking an advantage at youth level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UMMM, NO IT DOESN'T

Hard to argue with that logic...All caps. Quite impressive. I suppose US Lacrosse just decided to waive the U-19 rules for these kids only. Brilliant. Idiot.

You're an idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UMMM, NO IT DOESN'T

Hard to argue with that logic...All caps. Quite impressive. I suppose US Lacrosse just decided to waive the U-19 rules for these kids only. Brilliant. Idiot.

You're an idiot

Please make your fight on here more entertaining to read. This is like listening to my 6 year old fight with the little girl next door. There are lots of things to make fun of each other about just read back a couple pages of post and there is plenty to find and pick out.

^^^^ this guys is right. Better fights please. While I like the quick response, please make it Pithy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UMMM, NO IT DOESN'T

Hard to argue with that logic...All caps. Quite impressive. I suppose US Lacrosse just decided to waive the U-19 rules for these kids only. Brilliant. Idiot.

You're an idiot

Please make your fight on here more entertaining to read. This is like listening to my 6 year old fight with the little girl next door. There are lots of things to make fun of each other about just read back a couple pages of post and there is plenty to find and pick out.

was just having some fun, was seeing how long he would keep responding if that was my only response. I was not trying to comment on the Conrad kid's age, I was simply trying to point out if you had an August birthday, you could be 15 when you enter school and be 18 when you graduate. I was getting ready to hit him up with the Old Pete and Repete riddle and see how long that would go. I was thinking I could have three or four days out of that one.

When do lacrosse parents and kids just give up? Never it seems. There are kids on Crabs 2016 who have already done the pre-first and / or repeat 8th grade, have needed to go through the prep school system in order to do all that, and still don't get recruited. No problem, commit to a PG year to drop down from 2016 to 2017 so that a college lacrosse coach will take you. Man, that is the extreme of the extremes. If you can't make a showing to stand out as a repeater, just keep spending $40K-$60K a year until it FINALLY works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do lacrosse parents and kids just give up? Never it seems. There are kids on Crabs 2016 who have already done the pre-first and / or repeat 8th grade, have needed to go through the prep school system in order to do all that, and still don't get recruited. No problem, commit to a PG year to drop down from 2016 to 2017 so that a college lacrosse coach will take you. Man, that is the extreme of the extremes. If you can't make a showing to stand out as a repeater, just keep spending $40K-$60K a year until it FINALLY works.

I love how you ask when will parent's just give up and then proceed to offer the same diatribe that has been spewed 1000 times on the subject. Great fresh spin

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do lacrosse parents and kids just give up? Never it seems. There are kids on Crabs 2016 who have already done the pre-first and / or repeat 8th grade, have needed to go through the prep school system in order to do all that, and still don't get recruited. No problem, commit to a PG year to drop down from 2016 to 2017 so that a college lacrosse coach will take you. Man, that is the extreme of the extremes. If you can't make a showing to stand out as a repeater, just keep spending $40K-$60K a year until it FINALLY works.

I love how you ask when will parent's just give up and then proceed to offer the same diatribe that has been spewed 1000 times on the subject. Great fresh spin

He has a point though- just how many times can you manipulate the system to get your kid noticed/recruited? At some point don't you think it hurts the kid and the parents have made some bad decisions. After all- not every kid that is left back will get recruited. It's a hard pill to swallow and I think the kid suffers the consequence, and yet the parents are to blame. As a parent I can't imagine having my kid repeat a grade and leaving HS knowing it was all in vain and nothing came from that life changing decision. It's definitely a risk and while it will pay off for some, it won't for all.

The investment made is staggering. Forget club lacrosse money to play for Crabs. Five years at an IAC prep school (Repeat 8th grade, then high school) at $40K a year. That doesn't work, arrange a PG year ($60K boarding school) so that a college coach will take the reclassified 2016 kid who he wouldn't recruit as a 2016 as a committed to be reclassified again PG 2017 class kid. Over a quarter of a million dollars in prep tuitions alone going into a kid's lacrosse career so he can go to a college that does not give athletic scholarships to be able to say D1 commit.

That seems rational.

Cheaper to just buy the kid a sports car and pay for college yourself.

The Edge player is born in 2000 as he plays hockey as well and in that sport you play your birth year no matter how many times u repeat a grade. Lacrosse should move to that system.

Why did USA Lacrosse move to a grade based system?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did USA Lacrosse move to a grade based system?

US Lacrosse advocates age based -- http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/age-eligibility-guidelines.aspx

"Leagues and associations should organize competition by age, and consider physical, cognitive, and emotional maturity when grouping players. For leagues or associations in which some local programs choose to organize their teams by grade, those teams should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster. Teams organized by single birth year or single grade are suggested, but if a league needs to group two years/grades together it should strive to limit the maximum age difference between players in a youth game to no more than twenty-four (24) months."

However US Lacrosse can't enforce these guidelines other than in their own tournaments.

Tells you a lot about the level of respect and credibility US Lacrosse has with lacrosse club owners and event owners. The last time I needed my son's US Lacrosse member ID to register him for a team or an event was 1 1/2 years ago. U.S. lacrosse to me appears completely out of the picture in this sport. As parents we could ask our club owner why that is and if he would support doing US Lacrosse only sanctioned or compliant events. Not sure that would accomplish much, but at least we'd have an answer. Full disclosure, I emailed Ryan McClernan twice about this but he never replied.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did USA Lacrosse move to a grade based system?

US Lacrosse advocates age based -- http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/age-eligibility-guidelines.aspx

"Leagues and associations should organize competition by age, and consider physical, cognitive, and emotional maturity when grouping players. For leagues or associations in which some local programs choose to organize their teams by grade, those teams should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster. Teams organized by single birth year or single grade are suggested, but if a league needs to group two years/grades together it should strive to limit the maximum age difference between players in a youth game to no more than twenty-four (24) months."

However US Lacrosse can't enforce these guidelines other than in their own tournaments.

Here's a laugh: I saw on social media last night the champion team from FCA for US Lacrosse's U-15 "national championship" tournament. Many of the boys we recognized are 2018 players, so likely would not be under 15. One boy had a full beard and mustache!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did USA Lacrosse move to a grade based system?

US Lacrosse advocates age based -- http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/age-eligibility-guidelines.aspx

"Leagues and associations should organize competition by age, and consider physical, cognitive, and emotional maturity when grouping players. For leagues or associations in which some local programs choose to organize their teams by grade, those teams should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster. Teams organized by single birth year or single grade are suggested, but if a league needs to group two years/grades together it should strive to limit the maximum age difference between players in a youth game to no more than twenty-four (24) months."

However US Lacrosse can't enforce these guidelines other than in their own tournaments.

Here's a laugh: I saw on social media last night the champion team from FCA for US Lacrosse's U-15 "national championship" tournament. Many of the boys we recognized are 2018 players, so likely would not be under 15. One boy had a full beard and mustache!!!!

They were all 2018 teams....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did USA Lacrosse move to a grade based system?

US Lacrosse advocates age based -- http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/age-eligibility-guidelines.aspx

"Leagues and associations should organize competition by age, and consider physical, cognitive, and emotional maturity when grouping players. For leagues or associations in which some local programs choose to organize their teams by grade, those teams should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster. Teams organized by single birth year or single grade are suggested, but if a league needs to group two years/grades together it should strive to limit the maximum age difference between players in a youth game to no more than twenty-four (24) months."

However US Lacrosse can't enforce these guidelines other than in their own tournaments.

Here's a laugh: I saw on social media last night the champion team from FCA for US Lacrosse's U-15 "national championship" tournament. Many of the boys we recognized are 2018 players, so likely would not be under 15. One boy had a full beard and mustache!!!!

You know what's funnier? That 2017's born in late 1999 would be eligible. And (ALL) 2018's born in 2000 like they are supposed to be , are all eligible!!

U15:

All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

Guess it's different from soccer U15

That is so simple and is absolutely fair to everyone. Go to 8th grade 8 times for all I care, but put age equity back into youth lacrosse. I am sure ice hockey and soccer have their own problems, but not this problem.

I am still stuck and enraged at the silence. I'd like to read a letter to club constituents from Cabell Maddox and from Ryan McClernan stating their public position and reasoning. Both guys seems to relish being tough guys. Fast or last. Bigger, stronger, better t-shirt slogans and cliches. Neither guy seems tough enough to explain their position on this issue though. Going to grade based teams and leagues wasn't something the parents screamed and complained for. It wasn't a response to demand. So why did it happen?

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^^^ Smart

Orioles making a run. hang your lacrosse sticks up. seasons over.

CRABS 2020 TEAM SLOGAN- "If they ain't shavin, they ain't playin"

Orioles.....a game or two over .500 right now

Stop complaining about hold backs. What kills a team is daddyball. Dads with sons on their team always skews towards their kid, most subconsciously. This will kill a team faster than anything. After a kid is on a team and the parents pay the fee its to late. Most parents who speak up get branded for complaining. No one wins, everyone loses.

Directors: don't get conned into letting this happen. Even when you know the dads, make it a club rule. The rest of the team will think you and your club will be stronger for it.

No it's Holdbacks

how bout dem Orioles!!!

Originally Posted by Laxin since 79

Stop complaining about hold backs. What kills a team is daddyball. Dads with sons on their team always skews towards their kid, most subconsciously. This will kill a team faster than anything. After a kid is on a team and the parents pay the fee its to late. Most parents who speak up get branded for complaining. No one wins, everyone loses.

Directors: don't get conned into letting this happen. Even when you know the dads, make it a club rule. The rest of the team will think you and your club will be stronger for it.

I know a team in Hazard county that has a huge problem with this. Son plays attack and can not move. Team is man down on offense and on rides. Too bad. Feel sorry for the kid and the other players. Dad is doing him no favors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Laxin since 79]Stop complaining about hold backs. What kills a team is daddyball. Dads with sons on their team always skews towards their kid, most subconsciously. This will kill a team faster than anything. After a kid is on a team and the parents pay the fee its to late. Most parents who speak up get branded for complaining. No one wins, everyone loses.

Directors: don't get conned into letting this happen. Even when you know the dads, make it a club rule. The rest of the team will think you and your club will be stronger for it.

I know a team in Hazard county that has a huge problem with this. Son plays attack and can not move. Team is man down on offense and on rides. Too bad. Feel sorry for the kid and the other players. Dad is doing him no favors.

Has to be Thunder....they make Looney's look good when it comes to daddy ball.

Orioles baby!!

Nassau Coliseum dude! The building that embodies Long Island.

Nassau Coliseum was the best spot for Grateful Dead shows in the 1980s. I think a hockey team used to play there too. I don't remember. Musta been the roses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nassau Coliseum was the best spot for Grateful Dead shows in the 1980s. I think a hockey team used to play there too. I don't remember. Musta been the roses.

NY Islanders.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nassau Coliseum was the best spot for Grateful Dead shows in the 1980s. I think a hockey team used to play there too. I don't remember. Musta been the roses.

NY Islanders.

I'm certainly going to miss watching them play there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nassau Coliseum was the best spot for Grateful Dead shows in the 1980s. I think a hockey team used to play there too. I don't remember. Musta been the roses.

NY Islanders.

I'm certainly going to miss watching them play there.

I will too.. :'(

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Laxin since 79

Stop complaining about hold backs. What kills a team is daddyball. Dads with sons on their team always skews towards their kid, most subconsciously. This will kill a team faster than anything. After a kid is on a team and the parents pay the fee its to late. Most parents who speak up get branded for complaining. No one wins, everyone loses.

Directors: don't get conned into letting this happen. Even when you know the dads, make it a club rule. The rest of the team will think you and your club will be stronger for it.

I know a team in Hazard county that has a huge problem with this. Son plays attack and can not move. Team is man down on offense and on rides. Too bad. Feel sorry for the kid and the other players. Dad is doing him no favors.

It sounds like you need to send Boss Hawg and Sheriff Roscoe P Coletrain over there to straighten the jacka-s out.

Although if you look at many of the top teams out there there is a father coaching whose son is on the team. Its probably a problem on the middle tier teams.

jealously will get you knowwhere

Originally Posted by Anonymous

jealously will get you knowwhere

Or maybe "nowhere". Gotta love that Stony Brook education.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Laxin since 79]Stop complaining about hold backs. What kills a team is daddyball. Dads with sons on their team always skews towards their kid, most subconsciously. This will kill a team faster than anything. After a kid is on a team and the parents pay the fee its to late. Most parents who speak up get branded for complaining. No one wins, everyone loses.

Directors: don't get conned into letting this happen. Even when you know the dads, make it a club rule. The rest of the team will think you and your club will be stronger for it.

I know a team in Hazard county that has a huge problem with this. Son plays attack and can not move. Team is man down on offense and on rides. Too bad. Feel sorry for the kid and the other players. Dad is doing him no favors.

Has to be Thunder....they make Looney's look good when it comes to daddy ball.

What is Hazard County?

Does Boss Hog's kid play for them?

No he is a holdback and plays for the Crabs. Now he is a 16 year old 8th Grader who can drive himself to the game. Enjoy the rest of the summer.

too bad Toronto upgraded their lineup Orioles fan only way they make the playoffs is that the Yankees collapse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

too bad Toronto upgraded their lineup Orioles fan only way they make the playoffs is that the Yankees collapse

jays making a push. I'm actually a jays fan lol.

Price is pitching in front of 50k today as its a holiday and a 1pm start. Glad to see baseball get popular after a 20 year break

Nice TV commercial in Baltimore market...good for Crabs, also good for club lax overall.
Good Job!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Laxin since 79

Stop complaining about hold backs. What kills a team is daddyball. Dads with sons on their team always skews towards their kid, most subconsciously. This will kill a team faster than anything. After a kid is on a team and the parents pay the fee its to late. Most parents who speak up get branded for complaining. No one wins, everyone loses.

Directors: don't get conned into letting this happen. Even when you know the dads, make it a club rule. The rest of the team will think you and your club will be stronger for it.

I know a team in Hazard county that has a huge problem with this. Son plays attack and can not move. Team is man down on offense and on rides. Too bad. Feel sorry for the kid and the other players. Dad is doing him no favors.

If you are referring to 2020, the team is not from Howard County and played out of St Paul's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Laxin since 79

Stop complaining about hold backs. What kills a team is daddyball. Dads with sons on their team always skews towards their kid, most subconsciously. This will kill a team faster than anything. After a kid is on a team and the parents pay the fee its to late. Most parents who speak up get branded for complaining. No one wins, everyone loses.

Directors: don't get conned into letting this happen. Even when you know the dads, make it a club rule. The rest of the team will think you and your club will be stronger for it.

Hazard county refers to Harford!
I know a team in Hazard county that has a huge problem with this. Son plays attack and can not move. Team is man down on offense and on rides. Too bad. Feel sorry for the kid and the other players. Dad is doing him no favors.

If you are referring to 2020, the team is not from Howard County and played out of St Paul's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Laxin since 79

Stop complaining about hold backs. What kills a team is daddyball. Dads with sons on their team always skews towards their kid, most subconsciously. This will kill a team faster than anything. After a kid is on a team and the parents pay the fee its to late. Most parents who speak up get branded for complaining. No one wins, everyone loses.

Directors: don't get conned into letting this happen. Even when you know the dads, make it a club rule. The rest of the team will think you and your club will be stronger for it.

Hazard county refers to Harford!
I know a team in Hazard county that has a huge problem with this. Son plays attack and can not move. Team is man down on offense and on rides. Too bad. Feel sorry for the kid and the other players. Dad is doing him no favors.

If you are referring to 2020, the team is not from Howard County and played out of St Paul's.

Seen it soooo many times across many youth sports teams...Dad coaches (or is involved at management level) so kid stays protected from being cut or ensuring playing time. Its part of the deal with youth sports and always will be. However, if you know its gonna happen you can always pick another team for your kid to tryout for. Even if it doesnt effect your kid directly its poison for the overall team environment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice TV commercial in Baltimore market...good for Crabs, also good for club lax overall.
Good Job!!

What are you referring to? Is there a link you can attach to the commercial?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice TV commercial in Baltimore market...good for Crabs, also good for club lax overall.
Good Job!!

What are you referring to? Is there a link you can attach to the commercial?

why is this "good" for club lax? google crabs lacrosse facebook. link on fb page

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice TV commercial in Baltimore market...good for Crabs, also good for club lax overall.
Good Job!!

Are you sure you weren't watching a promo for Family Guy

Crabs must really be concerned about 91! First they bend the rules as much as possible to win beach lax at 2020, now a commercial for youth teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs must really be concerned about 91! First they bend the rules as much as possible to win beach lax at 2020, now a commercial for youth teams.

The commercial is pretty lame. A decent HS video class could make a better commercial.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs must really be concerned about 91! First they bend the rules as much as possible to win beach lax at 2020, now a commercial for youth teams.

The commercial is pretty lame. A decent HS video class could make a better commercial.

Does it mention that you have to hold back a year and be willing to manipulate the rules if you want to be a part of the experience?

We're there any Crabs players selected for the u-19 national team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We're there any Crabs players selected for the u-19 national team?

Crabs shut out - Conrad, Roesner, Constable Looneys. Kelly FCA, Pezulla Breakers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We're there any Crabs players selected for the u-19 national team?

Crabs shut out - Conrad, Roesner, Constable Looneys. Kelly FCA, Pezulla Breakers

Shut out? No! Their graduating are all too old for that team.

now thats funny...Crabs kids too old...the truth will set u free Ha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We're there any Crabs players selected for the u-19 national team?

Crabs shut out - Conrad, Roesner, Constable Looneys. Kelly FCA, Pezulla Breakers

Shut out? No! Their graduating are all too old for that team.

Cryan Ryan has taken care of it, in the future the team will be U-20

True dat! King crab

Fat guy in a small coat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs must really be concerned about 91! First they bend the rules as much as possible to win beach lax at 2020, now a commercial for youth teams.

The commercial is pretty lame. A decent HS video class could make a better commercial.

I was half hoping it would be a link to a real commercial that is good for the game, like the [lacrosse]'s sporting goods one about Harlem lacrosse. Then I saw this was just a local TV ad to solicit parents to pay a tryout fee. This commercial might have cost $6 to make on an iPhone.

Lots of haters out there. Sorry your son couldn't make the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs must really be concerned about 91! First they bend the rules as much as possible to win beach lax at 2020, now a commercial for youth teams.

The commercial is pretty lame. A decent HS video class could make a better commercial.

I was half hoping it would be a link to a real commercial that is good for the game, like the [lacrosse]'s sporting goods one about Harlem lacrosse. Then I saw this was just a local TV ad to solicit parents to pay a tryout fee. This commercial might have cost $6 to make on an iPhone.

Doing something right, 75 kids out for a team with maybe 4 spots open......oh and these are all the "best" kids from "the" other clubs. Maybe those clubs should get out their iPhones?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs must really be concerned about 91! First they bend the rules as much as possible to win beach lax at 2020, now a commercial for youth teams.

The commercial is pretty lame. A decent HS video class could make a better commercial.

I was half hoping it would be a link to a real commercial that is good for the game, like the [lacrosse]'s sporting goods one about Harlem lacrosse. Then I saw this was just a local TV ad to solicit parents to pay a tryout fee. This commercial might have cost $6 to make on an iPhone.

Doing something right, 75 kids out for a team with maybe 4 spots open......oh and these are all the "best" kids from "the" other clubs. Maybe those clubs should get out their iPhones?

Only four spots? Wow, are the other 21 roatered slots holdback and reclassed kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of haters out there. Sorry your son couldn't make the Crabs.

Nice try, I simply chose Class over Crass when I turned down the Crab invite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs must really be concerned about 91! First they bend the rules as much as possible to win beach lax at 2020, now a commercial for youth teams.

The commercial is pretty lame. A decent HS video class could make a better commercial.

I was half hoping it would be a link to a real commercial that is good for the game, like the [lacrosse]'s sporting goods one about Harlem lacrosse. Then I saw this was just a local TV ad to solicit parents to pay a tryout fee. This commercial might have cost $6 to make on an iPhone.

Doing something right, 75 kids out for a team with maybe 4 spots open......oh and these are all the "best" kids from "the" other clubs. Maybe those clubs should get out their iPhones?

Not all of the "best" from the "other" clubs are flocking to baltimore

Crabs without holdbacks are mediocre at best

I concur! CRABS best days are in the past. They survive off the past.....if they started today they would struggle, just like everyone else.....TEAM 91 is coming fellas......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I concur! CRABS best days are in the past. They survive off the past.....if they started today they would struggle, just like everyone else.....TEAM 91 is coming fellas......

What facts do you have to back up that statement or is that your opinion because your son is not on Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I concur! CRABS best days are in the past. They survive off the past.....if they started today they would struggle, just like everyone else.....TEAM 91 is coming fellas......

my kids are happily on other teams and I'm not a fan of crabs but that's wishful thinking. if somehow they legislated grade based teams out of youth lax they'd still have great teams because of their track record. then in HS the hold backs would flock to them. You know -- like it was just 2-3 years ago....

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

Think how much better Crabs, Looneys and FCA would be if those Breakers players had come over. Instead of two or three great teams you are left with 4 good teams. They can all beat each other but they can't beat 91 Crush.

hearing that looneys may be getting stronger?? when do you just lock your kids in and have some loyalty?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hearing that looneys may be getting stronger?? when do you just lock your kids in and have some loyalty?

What makes you say they are getting stronger?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

Think how much better Crabs, Looneys and FCA would be if those Breakers players had come over. Instead of two or three great teams you are left with 4 good teams. They can all beat each other but they can't beat 91 Crush.

Rosters aren't out yet. You might be surprised

Just keep in mind the 91 md ex Breakers motley crew hasn't ever won an a level tourney. Just sayin. Lots of hype, surfs up I guess dudes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

Think how much better Crabs, Looneys and FCA would be if those Breakers players had come over. Instead of two or three great teams you are left with 4 good teams. They can all beat each other but they can't beat 91 Crush.

There are a lot of good lacrosse players at the 2020 age in Baltimore but not enough to support 4 teams. I am surprised that the Breakers players did not leave for Crabs, Looneys or FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

Think how much better Crabs, Looneys and FCA would be if those Breakers players had come over. Instead of two or three great teams you are left with 4 good teams. They can all beat each other but they can't beat 91 Crush.

There are a lot of good lacrosse players at the 2020 age in Baltimore but not enough to support 4 teams. I am surprised that the Breakers players did not leave for Crabs, Looneys or FCA.

New and different is always better until its not!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hearing that looneys may be getting stronger?? when do you just lock your kids in and have some loyalty?

You don't, that's why there are TRYOUTS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hearing that looneys may be getting stronger?? when do you just lock your kids in and have some loyalty?

You don't, that's why there are TRYOUTS

Loyalty is a very funny word when it comes to this Travel world. I can not think of a club that officially says things like we have 4 open spots. Most clubs say everyone is trying out every year for the 24 open spots. So if they do not have Loyalty why should any kid or parent?

Don't forget about the Hawks!!!!!!

Completely false.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

This last statement has no basis in fact. Rosters for the two 91 2020 teams are not complete. At this week's tryouts (second round), there were 8 crabs helmets, several FCA helmets, several looneys helmets, and assorted roughriders, koopers and other non-breakers talent. Unless all these kids were just "window-shopping", it is safe to assume that at least the top 91 2020 team will add significantly to the breakers squad that lost to the crabs in OT at the beach. Still a pending development, but the signs point to a very competitive team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

This last statement has no basis in fact. Rosters for the two 91 2020 teams are not complete. At this week's tryouts (second round), there were 8 crabs helmets, several FCA helmets, several looneys helmets, and assorted roughriders, koopers and other non-breakers talent. Unless all these kids were just "window-shopping", it is safe to assume that at least the top 91 2020 team will add significantly to the breakers squad that lost to the crabs in OT at the beach. Still a pending development, but the signs point to a very competitive team.

It's window shopping! Looney tryouts has several FCA, crab, and breakers players. The largest number of new helmets coming from rough riders!

What happened at rough riders?

91 will be the weakest 2020 team. Their supposed second aa team will take a beating. Talk about over promising. No way two aa teams can be fielded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

This last statement has no basis in fact. Rosters for the two 91 2020 teams are not complete. At this week's tryouts (second round), there were 8 crabs helmets, several FCA helmets, several looneys helmets, and assorted roughriders, koopers and other non-breakers talent. Unless all these kids were just "window-shopping", it is safe to assume that at least the top 91 2020 team will add significantly to the breakers squad that lost to the crabs in OT at the beach. Still a pending development, but the signs point to a very competitive team.

Will be interesting to see everything unfold on the field this fall and spring. 91 will have a lot of pressure to perform at a high level given all the hype. I hope they do great!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 will be the weakest 2020 team. Their supposed second aa team will take a beating. Talk about over promising. No way two aa teams can be fielded.

Interesting take as the second 2020 team on Breakers last year with the same coach and many of the same players on the second AA T91 team this year (they moved along with the AA team), were competitive and did beat several AA teams throughout the year despite being called "A". Give the coach and team credit for knowing that perhaps they may not be a top 5 2020 AA but that they were too good to play single A just because there is already a AA at the club. They know the only way they will get better is by playing at the AA level rather than beating teams 12-0 all season. Why do you have a problem with it if they know the situation?

That 2020 Breakers team played 2019 B at Summer sizzle. Barely beat one team at the last min.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

They certainly did get kids from other teams - they fine tuned the core team and picked up other non Breakers talent. Guess it just was not your player. Successful is defined by many as being competitive without cheating or loading a team with holdbacks. Not always about claiming to be # 1 playing with a roster full of older kids.

And then they lost in the Semis to LVLC Lightning who got beat n the finals 4-0 by a LI Express 2019-2020 team. Over rated?

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 will be the weakest 2020 team. Their supposed second aa team will take a beating. Talk about over promising. No way two aa teams can be fielded.

Interesting take as the second 2020 team on Breakers last year with the same coach and many of the same players on the second AA T91 team this year (they moved along with the AA team), were competitive and did beat several AA teams throughout the year despite being called "A". Give the coach and team credit for knowing that perhaps they may not be a top 5 2020 AA but that they were too good to play single A just because there is already a AA at the club. They know the only way they will get better is by playing at the AA level rather than beating teams 12-0 all season. Why do you have a problem with it if they know the situation?

Breakers 2020 A was a very strong "A" team and probably a 500 AA team, as is FCA 2020 A and Looney 2020A. If the 91 organization feels they have two AA teams then good for them. Why do people complain about what other organizations do as far as team placement. If the second 91 team isn't a true AA team then they will get crushed by the opposition giving the other AA teams an easy win. It also helps out the other A teams as they have one less quality team they have to compete against.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

They certainly did get kids from other teams - they fine tuned the core team and picked up other non Breakers talent. Guess it just was not your player. Successful is defined by many as being competitive without cheating or loading a team with holdbacks. Not always about claiming to be # 1 playing with a roster full of older kids.

are you implying that T91MD will not be accepting hold-back kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs are just fine. However, it is troubling that 91 was able to get as many players as they did, especially at the 2020 year. Crabs, Looneys and FCA all have established, successful teams at that age and still 91 was able to pull very good kids in.

They took kids who were leaving the Breakers to be with Millon. They did not get any of the kids from Crabs, FCA or Looney's. Not really that impressive of a haul.

This last statement has no basis in fact. Rosters for the two 91 2020 teams are not complete. At this week's tryouts (second round), there were 8 crabs helmets, several FCA helmets, several looneys helmets, and assorted roughriders, koopers and other non-breakers talent. Unless all these kids were just "window-shopping", it is safe to assume that at least the top 91 2020 team will add significantly to the breakers squad that lost to the crabs in OT at the beach. Still a pending development, but the signs point to a very competitive team.

It's window shopping! Looney tryouts has several FCA, crab, and breakers players. The largest number of new helmets coming from rough riders!

What happened at rough riders?

A lot of those players with the different teams helmets are single A players looking to move up Except for the crabs players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

They were probably just upset because they were late for Driver's Ed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

They're not strong at all - simply average. They're also not entitled rich kids (have you BEEN to Baltimore?) LOL! Although I guess it's all perspective - maybe those camo hats and tank tops the parents wear are pricey when they're not on sale, and it does cost a pretty penny to get your pickup truck custom painted with Breakers colors...hahahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

Breakers is from Baltimore county, have you BEEN there? Much money in the area, they just don't invest it in their IROC or gold chains.

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

They're not strong at all - simply average. They're also not entitled rich kids (have you BEEN to Baltimore?) LOL! Although I guess it's all perspective - maybe those camo hats and tank tops the parents wear are pricey when they're not on sale, and it does cost a pretty penny to get your pickup truck custom painted with Breakers colors...hahahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

They're not strong at all - simply average. They're also not entitled rich kids (have you BEEN to Baltimore?) LOL! Although I guess it's all perspective - maybe those camo hats and tank tops the parents wear are pricey when they're not on sale, and it does cost a pretty penny to get your pickup truck custom painted with Breakers colors...hahahaha

Breakers is from Baltimore county, have you BEEN there? Much money in the area, they just don't invest it in their IROC or gold chains.

If you are talking Baltimore, more like tinted windows on your Chrysler 300 that is 7 years old. Do not forget about the sweet rims. LOL. No the breakers and all these club teams are filled with private school kids. Mommy and daddy with their escalades and Mercedes and mortgaged up to the hilt. Working poor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are talking Baltimore, more like tinted windows on your Chrysler 300 that is 7 years old. Do not forget about the sweet rims. LOL. No the breakers and all these club teams are filled with private school kids. Mommy and daddy with their escalades and Mercedes and mortgaged up to the hilt. Working poor.

I think that spray on tan has affected your noggin.

You are talking about people you don't even know. The Baltimore teams have mixes of kids from private and public as well as from middle class. You shouldn't judge people by the car they drive or the area in which they live. You have no clue about their lives. It's just ridiculous. Also, just an fyi, most of those private schools have 25-40% of their population receiving aid. I know because my kid is one of them. I hope you aren't passing on your judgemental attitude toward your kid. That would be sad.

Did anyone mention that Crabs cheat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone mention that Crabs cheat?

If you mean that your team cannot beat the Crabs, I guess that is cheating.

It's a joke. No loyalty. Encourage hold backs. Who really cares if you end #1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a joke. No loyalty. Encourage hold backs. Who really cares if you end #1.

All sports programs have no loyalty. The best player gets the start. Why should it be otherwise? Whether you like it or not, holdbacks are part of our culture for all sports and if a holdback out-performs a younger kid, they will get the start. The Crabs are good and play within the rules. Stop whining.

The crabs play within the rules? Really? How many 2019 players are now on the 2020 roster? I'm sorry - holding your kid back a year so he can play against young kids is cheating. Go on believing it is OK if it helps get you through the day.

Yes Crabs 2020 has holdbacks...as does FCA as well as others...I think that dead horse is beaten but keep on beating it if it helps you get through the day...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Crabs 2020 has holdbacks...as does FCA as well as others...I think that dead horse is beaten but keep on beating it if it helps you get through the day...

We saw the result on national TV just how good the Crabs are with out hold backs, It was embarrassing for Maryland lacrosse.

No one is whining, only giving more ammunition to work harder and play stronger because on age kids CAN! The crabs may win, they might have a bunch of early commits, but at the end of the day- do you really care that your kid is on a top team when you know the only way for them to be there is to play younger kids? If the kids on Crabs were so good, they wouldn't have to hold back. No one is fooled but you. Yes it irritates people that there is a loop hole to give players and teams an advantage, but at the end of the day- the rest of the people that feel the loop hole is unfair can pride ourselves for doing the right thing by keeping our kids on grade, with top academics and still making commitments to top D1 schools. I admire those kids that can do that while those that played on younger teams have a tainted- oh yay for them, but they couldn't have done it otherwise or they would have played their own age.

So just remember- you are only as good as who YOU are. And... YOU play younger kids! If you are so proud and think you are so good, let's see if you are willing to play with your own age and not younger kids. I'd love to see what teams full of holdbacks would look like if they beat a team at 2019 with age appropriate kids but then had to go up against the 2018 where the kids should all be playing as they are the same age. When you realize you can only beat the younger team you know you just are not good enough, or smart enough to make it without finding an advantage. Remember- if playing younger kids- you damn better be able to shine, or else the coaches know you can't hack younger kids either. Good luck to all the teams this year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a joke. No loyalty. Encourage hold backs. Who really cares if you end #1.

All sports programs have no loyalty. The best player gets the start. Why should it be otherwise? Whether you like it or not, holdbacks are part of our culture for all sports and if a holdback out-performs a younger kid, they will get the start. The Crabs are good and play within the rules. Stop whining.

I wouldn't exactly say within the rules, even if they did they are a disgusting example of everything that is wrong with youth sports and the push to turn our children in adults at the age of nine or ten. People can say it's all about the kids, we are doing it for them. What lessons are we teaching our children. People are going to pile on here and say we are teaching that if you have money you can do anything, to be the best you have to assemble the best players, blah,blah,blah. They are good teams, it is a disgusting organization.

Who is a hold back on FCA 2020? Do they have any players repeating 9th grade this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is a hold back on FCA 2020? Do they have any players repeating 9th grade this year?

Don't know if they have holdback so, though probably do, but they definitely have kids who went to pre-first!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is a hold back on FCA 2020? Do they have any players repeating 9th grade this year?

Don't know if they have holdback so, though probably do, but they definitely have kids who went to pre-first!

My kids did an extra year of kindergarten. I knew then, when they were 6, that they would be lacrosse players and I wanted them to have an advantage. It had nothing to do with the school suggesting it based on where they were academically.

My buddies son is going to be born in November. I want to tell his wife to hold him in for another year so he can play Lax in college. She's not playing ball. I told her it is about parent commitment. Sucks...:(

[quote=Anonymous]My buddies son is going to be born in November. I want to tell his wife to hold him in for another year so he can play Lax in college. She's not playing ball. I told her it is about parent commitment. Sucks...:(

Attempt woefully short. 3rd grade humor...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is a hold back on FCA 2020? Do they have any players repeating 9th grade this year?

Don't know if they have holdback so, though probably do, but they definitely have kids who went to pre-first!

My kids did an extra year of kindergarten. I knew then, when they were 6, that they would be lacrosse players and I wanted them to have an advantage. It had nothing to do with the school suggesting it based on where they were academically.

That's fine for your kids but you do realize they play younger kids. If they played hockey they wouldn't be playing with their classmates. I suspect if lax is going to go anywhere, the birthdate rule will eventually be enforced. Right now lax is like the red headed step child- if people considered it a true sport- we'd see rules and regulations about age cut offs, player cards, rosters and releases etc.

I held a late Nov son back but our cut off is 12/1. He's not interested in lax but does play football and hockey and he gets by just fine playing with kids not in his grade, but based on his age. It's a patent prerogative to do what is best for their kid academically but that doesn't have to carry over into sports.

Crabs 2020s captains for 2015/16 are 2018 hold backs. Sure - that's fair.

I like 3rd grade humor. Don't take yourself so serious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is a hold back on FCA 2020? Do they have any players repeating 9th grade this year?

Don't know if they have holdback so, though probably do, but they definitely have kids who went to pre-first!

My kids did an extra year of kindergarten. I knew then, when they were 6, that they would be lacrosse players and I wanted them to have an advantage. It had nothing to do with the school suggesting it based on where they were academically.

That's fine for your kids but you do realize they play younger kids. If they played hockey they wouldn't be playing with their classmates. I suspect if lax is going to go anywhere, the birthdate rule will eventually be enforced. Right now lax is like the red headed step child- if people considered it a true sport- we'd see rules and regulations about age cut offs, player cards, rosters and releases etc.

I held a late Nov son back but our cut off is 12/1. He's not interested in lax but does play football and hockey and he gets by just fine playing with kids not in his grade, but based on his age. It's a patent prerogative to do what is best for their kid academically but that doesn't have to carry over into sports.

True,Hockey is the fastest growing sport in America.

If you consider that US lacrosse "counted" high school players in some states like Georgia as new players to the game, when actually what they were counting was registered high school varsity players who were just prior uncounted high school clubs, lacrosse participation ex- counting that CONTRACTED last year. Lacrosse isn't growing right now at the youth levels, and club lacrosse is the reason why. Not just a point aimed at Crabs alone, although they make a fine example...club lacrosse is extremely alienating toward all but maybe 2% or 3% of the youth players involved. That isn't a sustainable model. Ice hockey is a sustainable model, and that is exactly why it has shown year over year growth since 1981.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is a hold back on FCA 2020? Do they have any players repeating 9th grade this year?

Don't know if they have holdback so, though probably do, but they definitely have kids who went to pre-first!

My kids did an extra year of kindergarten. I knew then, when they were 6, that they would be lacrosse players and I wanted them to have an advantage. It had nothing to do with the school suggesting it based on where they were academically.

What you do with your child is fine. But why does he get to play against younger children at the youth level. 90% plus boys your boys age play against the right age group..Why cant they play down like your child??? USL Lacrosse is a joke for allowing this

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs 2020s captains for 2015/16 are 2018 hold backs. Sure - that's fair.

No they are 2017's really, really they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs 2020s captains for 2015/16 are 2018 hold backs. Sure - that's fair.

No they are 2017's really, really they are.

Part of the responsiblity of the 2020 Crabs captain is driving the team bus to and from tournaments.

Jealous much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020s captains for 2015/16 are 2018 hold backs. Sure - that's fair.

Well could definitely be true- but even if not on this club- it is happening somewhere. Pre first and add 8th gr as a holdback- and well bottom line- did not stand out playing against kids their own age- so here they are. Athletes that are truly talented challenge themselves, or at the very least, play with their own peers, athletes that can not, play with the younger kids. Clubs are exploiting YOUR kids for money and YOU are letting them.

Parents, are you really proud of your kids when they can stand out against kids 1-2 years younger? I am most proud of my kids when they stand out playing up or succeeding in school with kids older then them in academic situations. It shows they are top of the top. What does playing with younger kids show? They are bottom of their peers, so they play to be top of the younger kids? Strive for better and be proud of your kid for who they are, not for what you want them to be. Do you really need for them to be glorified so much that you would make them play kids so much younger?

Really hoping USL rights the wrong of those coaches that think it is okay and makes this sport a respectable one, because right now, it is laughable and will never earn respect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020s captains for 2015/16 are 2018 hold backs. Sure - that's fair.

Well could definitely be true- but even if not on this club- it is happening somewhere. Pre first and add 8th gr as a holdback- and well bottom line- did not stand out playing against kids their own age- so here they are. Athletes that are truly talented challenge themselves, or at the very least, play with their own peers, athletes that can not, play with the younger kids. Clubs are exploiting YOUR kids for money and YOU are letting them.

Parents, are you really proud of your kids when they can stand out against kids 1-2 years younger? I am most proud of my kids when they stand out playing up or succeeding in school with kids older then them in academic situations. It shows they are top of the top. What does playing with younger kids show? They are bottom of their peers, so they play to be top of the younger kids? Strive for better and be proud of your kid for who they are, not for what you want them to be. Do you really need for them to be glorified so much that you would make them play kids so much younger?

Really hoping USL rights the wrong of those coaches that think it is okay and makes this sport a respectable one, because right now, it is laughable and will never earn respect.

Unfortunately many of these holdbacks arent the best athletics for their age. Many are pretty decent athletics but not the best at age. Parents know their chances of their child starting/playing are with children younger than their children. Many Parents know their 5-11 and under white guy has little chance of competing on his own.. so they give him whatever advantage they can over the rest of his peers ...Pretty sad..but it works for some . Crabs along with others now exploit this this for $.

Selfish motives of the parents ruining the experience for the on age kids that are really good players on elite teams, but relegated to a minor role due to the more advanced holdback taking their spot. Frustrating, disapointed - not right!

Oh well that's life. Same way in the real world always have to do what's best for you and your family.

Keep crying. Notice you don't say a thing about kids who reclassified in basketball, football, baseball, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep crying. Notice you don't say a thing about kids who reclassified in basketball, football, baseball, etc.

NO crying here- my kids play up and take advanced classes by 1-2 years in school- I am proud of them for who they are. If they lose a game- they did so with honor and do not have to hang their head in shame for playing younger kids. I know we are blessed, but it irks me to see other kids that have to work harder to compete and get a short end of a stick because others think it is great to play their kids against younger kids. And again- you would not have to do it if they were able to play their peers.

And why care about the other sports- my kids play them but they are fairly solid in rules and regulations in youth sports, but is it relevant? You rob a bank so I should too? They game the system in other sports, so we should do that too?

Dont mention football in this string. UCYFL has strict age limits, even requiring a 'head shot' of the players to make sure there are no shenanagans. The way it should be.

I just feel bad for the parents of the holdbacks, when in HS and college, as all the growth starts evening out, the parents wonder why Johnny, the star of all his youth teams, is playing behind a kid a grade lower.

I agree with another responder that this pattern will/is having a negative affect on the growth of this sport. This is very evident at the rec levels now. I guess soon there will be clubs for the really good 6 year olds.

Keep rationalizing why your son is being harmed. Meanwhile, our kids are going to the college they want to go to. LOL.

UCYFL= Hazard county. Daisy Duke has a cross?

That's the problem with the people of privilege. I prefer to do the right thing and teach my kids that life is not always fair and to work harder to overcome those obstacles. What life lesson is little Johnny Holdback learning? What is going to happen in the real world when mommy and daddy can no longer bail him out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh well that's life. Same way in the real world always have to do what's best for you and your family.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep rationalizing why your son is being harmed. Meanwhile, our kids are going to the college they want to go to. LOL.

Mine will get there without having to play younger kids, nor an extra 50 grand at prep school. They got to stay and play with the kids they started with and not the younger group. They also did not get laughed at behind their back and snickered at when they scored against a younger goalie. Only the holdback parents are proud of those moments. My kid will see yours at the same school, but they will have more grit- they earned their way and are honorable. Look at it anyway you want- but there are plenty of kids that will be rostered with your son and they did not need to be left back to get that position..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Keep rationalizing why your son is being harmed. Meanwhile, our kids are going to the college they want to go to. LOL.

I get it. Your son is one of the holdbacks who can't compete in his own age group. Who's rationalizing? LOL

And I mean no disrespect for all the excellent club kids who can compete in their own age groups. Crabs is a very good club, to be feared. Lacrosse is a great sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is a hold back on FCA 2020? Do they have any players repeating 9th grade this year?

Don't know if they have holdback so, though probably do, but they definitely have kids who went to pre-first!

My kids did an extra year of kindergarten. I knew then, when they were 6, that they would be lacrosse players and I wanted them to have an advantage. It had nothing to do with the school suggesting it based on where they were academically.

What you do with your child is fine. But why does he get to play against younger children at the youth level. 90% plus boys your boys age play against the right age group..Why cant they play down like your child??? USL Lacrosse is a joke for allowing this

Is 9/1 of the child's graduation year (9/1/01 for a 2020 grad) the agreed upon cutoff date?

1) This is a lacrosse forum. 2) There is no money and full scholarships in lacrosse. Financially it makes much more sense in those sports. 100% scholarships in football and basketball. Potential million dollar contracts to the rare few that can get to that professional level in football, basketball or baseball. Poor kid can dream of a free education and possibly becoming a wealthy athlete. Not happening in lacrosse. [lacrosse], the poor kids cannot even play lacrosse. How many of these holdback kids would be competing with the masses if it ever came to that. Maybe Trump can build a wall around your lacrosse campuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep crying. Notice you don't say a thing about kids who reclassified in basketball, football, baseball, etc.

If you're not playing down....you're playing up.

Does Daisy Duke have a cross? Hello..... is this mike on!!??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh well that's life. Same way in the real world always have to do what's best for you and your family.

Big difference between making a living and protecting your family and you playing your child down on a sports team at the detriment of other children just so your child who can not cut it with kids his own age looks good. Pathetic and not even worth discussing with folks who can not see the distinction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1) This is a lacrosse forum. 2) There is no money and full scholarships in lacrosse. Financially it makes much more sense in those sports. 100% scholarships in football and basketball. Potential million dollar contracts to the rare few that can get to that professional level in football, basketball or baseball. Poor kid can dream of a free education and possibly becoming a wealthy athlete. Not happening in lacrosse. [lacrosse], the poor kids cannot even play lacrosse. How many of these holdback kids would be competing with the masses if it ever came to that. Maybe Trump can build a wall around your lacrosse campuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep crying. Notice you don't say a thing about kids who reclassified in basketball, football, baseball, etc.

That is because those sports have age verification including often times state ids that must be shown if playing at an elite level. Guess you would not know that if your kid can only stand out playing younger kids in an unregulated sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh well that's life. Same way in the real world always have to do what's best for you and your family.

Big difference between making a living and protecting your family and you playing your child down on a sports team at the detriment of other children just so your child who can not cut it with kids his own age looks good. Pathetic and not even worth discussing with folks who can not see the distinction.

Well said. Unfortunately, too many people in this country who don't give a f--k how their actions impact others, which is really the essence of this debate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is a hold back on FCA 2020? Do they have any players repeating 9th grade this year?

Don't know if they have holdback so, though probably do, but they definitely have kids who went to pre-first!

My kids did an extra year of kindergarten. I knew then, when they were 6, that they would be lacrosse players and I wanted them to have an advantage. It had nothing to do with the school suggesting it based on where they were academically.

What you do with your child is fine. But why does he get to play against younger children at the youth level. 90% plus boys your boys age play against the right age group..Why cant they play down like your child??? USL Lacrosse is a joke for allowing this

Is 9/1 of the child's graduation year (9/1/01 for a 2020 grad) the agreed upon cutoff date?

There is no agreed upon cutoff date, Just be in your grade. That is the problem..You can be held back 10 times in 5th grade and still play for 5th grade team every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh well that's life. Same way in the real world always have to do what's best for you and your family.

Big difference between making a living and protecting your family and you playing your child down on a sports team at the detriment of other children just so your child who can not cut it with kids his own age looks good. Pathetic and not even worth discussing with folks who can not see the distinction.

Funny thing is... holdbacks are so commonplace now for the top level teams that it has become "normalized". These guys all play each other. So the best kids really are the best kids... 'cause the holdbacks compete against the holdbacks. Crazy and not changing... suck it up or go play baseball.

Agree. Example AA is really 2019/2018 at the 2020 grade level.

That isn't very funny to me. I have a 13 year old who turns 14 this week and also started high school this week. He isn't young for his grade. He is on age for his grade. He's played club lacrosse for the last two years with and against kids at least a year and often more than 2 years older than he is. So, he should just go play baseball because the crap you are selling is "normalized"?

This is exactly why lacrosse stopped growing and is about to go backwards again to be an exclusive white privileged kid sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh well that's life. Same way in the real world always have to do what's best for you and your family.

Big difference between making a living and protecting your family and you playing your child down on a sports team at the detriment of other children just so your child who can not cut it with kids his own age looks good. Pathetic and not even worth discussing with folks who can not see the distinction.

Funny thing is... holdbacks are so commonplace now for the top level teams that it has become "normalized". These guys all play each other. So the best kids really are the best kids... 'cause the holdbacks compete against the holdbacks. Crazy and not changing... suck it up or go play baseball.

Not true - the majority of 2020 teams are truly 2020 teams. It is limited to a subset of the private school holdbacks- private schools are the only institutions that allow this practice to happen without any educational purpose. The MAJORITY of families still do the right thing - please stop trying to justify holdbacks by saying everyone does it. Oldest excuse in the book and in this case, simply not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh well that's life. Same way in the real world always have to do what's best for you and your family.

Big difference between making a living and protecting your family and you playing your child down on a sports team at the detriment of other children just so your child who can not cut it with kids his own age looks good. Pathetic and not even worth discussing with folks who can not see the distinction.

Funny thing is... holdbacks are so commonplace now for the top level teams that it has become "normalized". These guys all play each other. So the best kids really are the best kids... 'cause the holdbacks compete against the holdbacks. Crazy and not changing... suck it up or go play baseball.

Very mature and a response based on your limited and self centered viewpoint. Not ALL of the elite teams are made up of holdbacks - your Johnny is still trying to look better by playing younger kids despite how you try to spin it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh well that's life. Same way in the real world always have to do what's best for you and your family.

Big difference between making a living and protecting your family and you playing your child down on a sports team at the detriment of other children just so your child who can not cut it with kids his own age looks good. Pathetic and not even worth discussing with folks who can not see the distinction.

Well said. Unfortunately, too many people in this country who don't give a f--k how their actions impact others, which is really the essence of this debate.

Absolutely true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

UCYFL= Hazard county. Daisy Duke has a cross?

Mid Maryland Football League also has strict rules with state ids and photos.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. Example AA is really 2019/2018 at the 2020 grade level.

Maybe in some states , but not all. If the AA teams are all that old then why waste your kids year and let them all play grade appropriate because they would play these kids anyway. Playing down shows a weakness, don't exploit your kid by holding them back. If they have talent they don't need to play down, give them some more credit and tell them they are good enough to do it without dropping them down a level. It can't be fun sitting through a whole academic year of the same curriculum because your coach or parents don't think you are good enough to play with your current team or friends. Your kid might be on agreement verbally but truthfully, no 13 yr old should ever be allowed to do so or be agreeing to something as such. I'm surprised no one had brought it up as negligent parenting if the kid is a solid student. Many kids on D1 teams will be there without playing down, so why not tell your kid- you can do this too. A little benefit of the doubt goes a longer way for confidence and that translates into better play on the field. Doubting your kid is the worst thing you can do- than acting on it seals the deal.

Since they are using steriods, we should too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh well that's life. Same way in the real world always have to do what's best for you and your family.

Big difference between making a living and protecting your family and you playing your child down on a sports team at the detriment of other children just so your child who can not cut it with kids his own age looks good. Pathetic and not even worth discussing with folks who can not see the distinction.

Funny thing is... holdbacks are so commonplace now for the top level teams that it has become "normalized". These guys all play each other. So the best kids really are the best kids... 'cause the holdbacks compete against the holdbacks. Crazy and not changing... suck it up or go play baseball.

Very mature and a response based on your limited and self centered viewpoint. Not ALL of the elite teams are made up of holdbacks - your Johnny is still trying to look better by playing younger kids despite how you try to spin it.

Actually... my Johnny is one of the youngest on-age players on his team ... my point is the sport committed to grade-based club teams several years ago and a disgruntled mass of helicopter parents aren't going to change the course. The train has left the station. Bitching about it is a complete waste of time... entertaining as [lacrosse] ... but a complete waste of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is a hold back on FCA 2020? Do they have any players repeating 9th grade this year?

Don't know if they have holdback so, though probably do, but they definitely have kids who went to pre-first!

My kids did an extra year of kindergarten. I knew then, when they were 6, that they would be lacrosse players and I wanted them to have an advantage. It had nothing to do with the school suggesting it based on where they were academically.

What you do with your child is fine. But why does he get to play against younger children at the youth level. 90% plus boys your boys age play against the right age group..Why cant they play down like your child??? USL Lacrosse is a joke for allowing this

The real reason USL is a joke it that they advocate a two year system (U13, U11, U9). This makes it impossible to have a consistent club team every year, because 1/2 the team gets put into a different division every year. Also - it encourages the thing everyone in this forum is griping so much about - kids 1 year old playing with kids 1 year younger. No one is happy with USL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

They're not strong at all - simply average. They're also not entitled rich kids (have you BEEN to Baltimore?) LOL! Although I guess it's all perspective - maybe those camo hats and tank tops the parents wear are pricey when they're not on sale, and it does cost a pretty penny to get your pickup truck custom painted with Breakers colors...hahahaha

Breakers is from Baltimore county, have you BEEN there? Much money in the area, they just don't invest it in their IROC or gold chains.

I suppose it's all relative - although "much money" or "entitled rich kids" and "Baltimore" or "Baltimore county" are not really two phrases I think most people would associate, compared to the rest of the lacrosse playing world. I could see if you were classifying Team 91 up in Melville, or some Northern VA teams would of Loudoun or Fairfax counties (the two highest income counties in the US), but not Baltimore. I mean, can you really call a place high-end that can proudly take credit for Natty Bo? LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

They're not strong at all - simply average. They're also not entitled rich kids (have you BEEN to Baltimore?) LOL! Although I guess it's all perspective - maybe those camo hats and tank tops the parents wear are pricey when they're not on sale, and it does cost a pretty penny to get your pickup truck custom painted with Breakers colors...hahahaha

Breakers is from Baltimore county, have you BEEN there? Much money in the area, they just don't invest it in their IROC or gold chains.

I suppose it's all relative - although "much money" or "entitled rich kids" and "Baltimore" or "Baltimore county" are not really two phrases I think most people would associate, compared to the rest of the lacrosse playing world. I could see if you were classifying Team 91 up in Melville, or some Northern VA teams would of Loudoun or Fairfax counties (the two highest income counties in the US), but not Baltimore. I mean, can you really call a place high-end that can proudly take credit for Natty Bo? LOL

You're right. Kevin Plank should move out of Baltimore County and take his kids out of private school. It is no place for a billionaire to live.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

They're not strong at all - simply average. They're also not entitled rich kids (have you BEEN to Baltimore?) LOL! Although I guess it's all perspective - maybe those camo hats and tank tops the parents wear are pricey when they're not on sale, and it does cost a pretty penny to get your pickup truck custom painted with Breakers colors...hahahaha

Breakers is from Baltimore county, have you BEEN there? Much money in the area, they just don't invest it in their IROC or gold chains.

I suppose it's all relative - although "much money" or "entitled rich kids" and "Baltimore" or "Baltimore county" are not really two phrases I think most people would associate, compared to the rest of the lacrosse playing world. I could see if you were classifying Team 91 up in Melville, or some Northern VA teams would of Loudoun or Fairfax counties (the two highest income counties in the US), but not Baltimore. I mean, can you really call a place high-end that can proudly take credit for Natty Bo? LOL

You're right. Kevin Plank should move out of Baltimore County and take his kids out of private school. It is no place for a billionaire to live.

With all of the money I pay in Club Lax fees I can barely afford Natty BO LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check their season stats.

Playing 2019 B with kids a year to two or older and bigger as a 2020 A team is gutsy. Some 2020 AA teams struggled with the size of the kids included in Summer Sizzle at the B level. Again, check their stats in their own age group - they are a competitive team. Not top 5 but competitive and looking to challenge themselves.

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

They're not strong at all - simply average. They're also not entitled rich kids (have you BEEN to Baltimore?) LOL! Although I guess it's all perspective - maybe those camo hats and tank tops the parents wear are pricey when they're not on sale, and it does cost a pretty penny to get your pickup truck custom painted with Breakers colors...hahahaha

Breakers is from Baltimore county, have you BEEN there? Much money in the area, they just don't invest it in their IROC or gold chains.

I suppose it's all relative - although "much money" or "entitled rich kids" and "Baltimore" or "Baltimore county" are not really two phrases I think most people would associate, compared to the rest of the lacrosse playing world. I could see if you were classifying Team 91 up in Melville, or some Northern VA teams would of Loudoun or Fairfax counties (the two highest income counties in the US), but not Baltimore. I mean, can you really call a place high-end that can proudly take credit for Natty Bo? LOL

You're right. Kevin Plank should move out of Baltimore County and take his kids out of private school. It is no place for a billionaire to live.

That's right - I didn't realize Kevin Plank had his boys playing for the Breakers? LOL - Really? Let's not be silly...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played them. Our kids thought their kids were entitled rich kids with no class. Their kids cussed in the line shaking hands. I guess that is was 7th graders do.

They're not strong at all - simply average. They're also not entitled rich kids (have you BEEN to Baltimore?) LOL! Although I guess it's all perspective - maybe those camo hats and tank tops the parents wear are pricey when they're not on sale, and it does cost a pretty penny to get your pickup truck custom painted with Breakers colors...hahahaha

Breakers is from Baltimore county, have you BEEN there? Much money in the area, they just don't invest it in their IROC or gold chains.

I suppose it's all relative - although "much money" or "entitled rich kids" and "Baltimore" or "Baltimore county" are not really two phrases I think most people would associate, compared to the rest of the lacrosse playing world. I could see if you were classifying Team 91 up in Melville, or some Northern VA teams would of Loudoun or Fairfax counties (the two highest income counties in the US), but not Baltimore. I mean, can you really call a place high-end that can proudly take credit for Natty Bo? LOL

You're right. Kevin Plank should move out of Baltimore County and take his kids out of private school. It is no place for a billionaire to live.

That's right - I didn't realize Kevin Plank had his boys playing for the Breakers? LOL - Really? Let's not be silly...

No, but they do go to the school where breakers practices. And he along with Adam Jones live across the street from the school. But you're right. There's no money in Baltimore County. Go watch another episode of The Wire.

Breakers is from Baltimore county, have you BEEN there? Much money in the area, they just don't invest it in their IROC or gold chains.
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I suppose it's all relative - although "much money" or "entitled rich kids" and "Baltimore" or "Baltimore county" are not really two phrases I think most people would associate, compared to the rest of the lacrosse playing world. I could see if you were classifying Team 91 up in Melville, or some Northern VA teams would of Loudoun or Fairfax counties (the two highest income counties in the US), but not Baltimore. I mean, can you really call a place high-end that can proudly take credit for Natty Bo? LOL[/quote]

You're right. Kevin Plank should move out of Baltimore County and take his kids out of private school. It is no place for a billionaire to live.[/quote]

That's right - I didn't realize Kevin Plank had his boys playing for the Breakers? LOL - Really? Let's not be silly...[/quote]

No, but they do go to the school where breakers practices. And he along with Adam Jones live across the street from the school. But you're right. There's no money in Baltimore County. Go watch another episode of The Wire. [/quote]

Good point - the Wire is totally ficticious, and Baltimore doesn't have the 2nd highest homicide rate in the US. It definitely makes complete sense that just because one wealthy guy as the Under Armour founder decided to live in Baltimore County, and he lives across from St. Paul's, and the Breakers practice there, everyone is rich that plays for the Breakers. Hard to believe everyone couldn't follow that logic - it's so sensible! Especially considering the median household income there is $63K, and the average home value is $216K - where do they even store all that money? LOL

I suppose it's all relative - although "much money" or "entitled rich kids" and "Baltimore" or "Baltimore county" are not really two phrases I think most people would associate, compared to the rest of the lacrosse playing world. I could see if you were classifying Team 91 up in Melville, or some Northern VA teams would of Loudoun or Fairfax counties (the two highest income counties in the US), but not Baltimore. I mean, can you really call a place high-end that can proudly take credit for Natty Bo? LOL[/quote]

You're right. Kevin Plank should move out of Baltimore County and take his kids out of private school. It is no place for a billionaire to live.[/quote]

That's right - I didn't realize Kevin Plank had his boys playing for the Breakers? LOL - Really? Let's not be silly...[/quote]

No, but they do go to the school where breakers practices. And he along with Adam Jones live across the street from the school. But you're right. There's no money in Baltimore County. Go watch another episode of The Wire. [/quote]

you guys are really arguing of the comparative wealth of lax communities?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is from Baltimore county, have you BEEN there? Much money in the area, they just don't invest it in their IROC or gold chains.

I suppose it's all relative - although "much money" or "entitled rich kids" and "Baltimore" or "Baltimore county" are not really two phrases I think most people would associate, compared to the rest of the lacrosse playing world. I could see if you were classifying Team 91 up in Melville, or some Northern VA teams would of Loudoun or Fairfax counties (the two highest income counties in the US), but not Baltimore. I mean, can you really call a place high-end that can proudly take credit for Natty Bo? LOL[/quote]

You're right. Kevin Plank should move out of Baltimore County and take his kids out of private school. It is no place for a billionaire to live.[/quote]

That's right - I didn't realize Kevin Plank had his boys playing for the Breakers? LOL - Really? Let's not be silly...[/quote]

No, but they do go to the school where breakers practices. And he along with Adam Jones live across the street from the school. But you're right. There's no money in Baltimore County. Go watch another episode of The Wire. [/quote]

Good point - the Wire is totally ficticious, and Baltimore doesn't have the 2nd highest homicide rate in the US. It definitely makes complete sense that just because one wealthy guy as the Under Armour founder decided to live in Baltimore County, and he lives across from St. Paul's, and the Breakers practice there, everyone is rich that plays for the Breakers. Hard to believe everyone couldn't follow that logic - it's so sensible! Especially considering the median household income there is $63K, and the average home value is $216K - where do they even store all that money? LOL[/quote]

Wow - That must mean that the MadLax kids are even bigger rich kids cause they practice in McLean and Jacqueline Mars lives there, she makes Plank look like he's on welfare

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I suppose it's all relative - although "much money" or "entitled rich kids" and "Baltimore" or "Baltimore county" are not really two phrases I think most people would associate, compared to the rest of the lacrosse playing world. I could see if you were classifying Team 91 up in Melville, or some Northern VA teams would of Loudoun or Fairfax counties (the two highest income counties in the US), but not Baltimore. I mean, can you really call a place high-end that can proudly take credit for Natty Bo? LOL

You're right. Kevin Plank should move out of Baltimore County and take his kids out of private school. It is no place for a billionaire to live.[/quote]

That's right - I didn't realize Kevin Plank had his boys playing for the Breakers? LOL - Really? Let's not be silly...[/quote]

No, but they do go to the school where breakers practices. And he along with Adam Jones live across the street from the school. But you're right. There's no money in Baltimore County. Go watch another episode of The Wire. [/quote]

you guys are really arguing of the comparative wealth of lax communities? [/quote]
slow news day

Ok - some news: Crabs have grand total of 1 player named a 5* in 2016 rankings, 0(Zero) 5* 2017's, and 0(Zero) top 10 2018's. Even with most of their kids repeating a grade, only 1 highly ranked player in 3 classes.

I'm sure the 19 2016 commits, the 13 2017 commits and the 7 2018 commits are really concerned with how many stars they have on their profile. Considering 7 of them are committed to Hopkins and there are several other to UVA, UNC, UMD, etc I'm pretty sure they will be just fine.

Who cares about their commits. Everyone knows you can "commit" anywhere if daddy/mommy are gonna pay your way through school. The crabs little daddies are paying the freight so Biff can say he is committed.

Most parents would be fairly shocked to know that in a lot of instances getting committed to a program happens when a decent player offers to go for no consideration. There is a tremendous demand now from families who will pay full freight and the coaches are in a great position to manipulate that.

Wow, giving credence to the opinion of a subsidized blogger regarding 5 star high school players.... Amazing how 5 Tenacious Turtles made 5 star considering who funds the blogger,...... not really. All of the named players are deserving, as are others who did not get named.

Well, if college lacrosse programs were stocks I'd short all of the ones that placed any value at all in what Ty Xander's writes. The list has good players, but in reality he has some rings to kiss. The Turtles were amazing as 8th graders, but that has lapsed as other programs have developed their teams and players. I don't think the Turtles lost a single game in middle school. This past summer they lost several. If that guy sat and watched as much lacrosse in California, his list could easily be as dominated with west coast players. Denver is decent proof that these recruit rankings aren't a roadmap for success

My son is a 2018 that is comitted to a Div1 school-so what
He made the watch list-so what.

I told him to keep working hard-Thats what...

people.. get back to work

I hear Crabs had a very successful tryout process picking up good players from all of the other Central Maryland programs (FCA, Breakers, MLC, Hawks, Looneys, etc). The strength of the NPYLL, the level of competition in the Crabs-run tournaments and inclusion in the newly formed NLF were all reasons given for kids moving to Crabs. I have to think that they remain the top program in Baltimore when you consider the other programs in their entirety.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear Crabs had a very successful tryout process picking up good players from all of the other Central Maryland programs (FCA, Breakers, MLC, Hawks, Looneys, etc). The strength of the NPYLL, the level of competition in the Crabs-run tournaments and inclusion in the newly formed NLF were all reasons given for kids moving to Crabs. I have to think that they remain the top program in Baltimore when you consider the other programs in their entirety.

Can you please expand how the Crabs tournament schedule this summer or fall will be different now that they belong to the NLF? I understand the point but just want to know the details of the changes. And even with the NLF will there still be other clubs not in the NLF playing in those tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear Crabs had a very successful tryout process picking up good players from all of the other Central Maryland programs (FCA, Breakers, MLC, Hawks, Looneys, etc). The strength of the NPYLL, the level of competition in the Crabs-run tournaments and inclusion in the newly formed NLF were all reasons given for kids moving to Crabs. I have to think that they remain the top program in Baltimore when you consider the other programs in their entirety.

Can you please expand how the Crabs tournament schedule this summer or fall will be different now that they belong to the NLF? I understand the point but just want to know the details of the changes. And even with the NLF will there still be other clubs not in the NLF playing in those tournaments?

NPYLL plus the existing Crabs tournaments plus the NLF tournaments (as they develop) is a very strong slate of events; unrivaled by anything else in the mid-Atlantic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I hear Crabs had a very successful tryout process picking up good players from all of the other Central Maryland programs (FCA, Breakers, MLC, Hawks, Looneys, etc). The strength of the NPYLL, the level of competition in the Crabs-run tournaments and inclusion in the newly formed NLF were all reasons given for kids moving to Crabs. I have to think that they remain the top program in Baltimore when you consider the other programs in their entirety.

Can you please expand how the Crabs tournament schedule this summer or fall will be different now that they belong to the NLF? I understand the point but just want to know the details of the changes. And even with the NLF will there still be other clubs not in the NLF playing in those tournaments?

NPYLL plus the existing Crabs tournaments plus the NLF tournaments (as they develop) is a very strong slate of events; unrivaled by anything else in the mid-Atlantic.

That NPYLL point is well made. The HOCO league I've been told is horrible. That comes from a member of one of the winning teams at 2020 age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear Crabs had a very successful tryout process picking up good players from all of the other Central Maryland programs (FCA, Breakers, MLC, Hawks, Looneys, etc). The strength of the NPYLL, the level of competition in the Crabs-run tournaments and inclusion in the newly formed NLF were all reasons given for kids moving to Crabs. I have to think that they remain the top program in Baltimore when you consider the other programs in their entirety.

They also lost kids to several of those same clubs for reasons that had more to do with conflicts in philosophy. Would agree they are the top across the board more likely due to the fact that they are older at each grade level than the teams they play. Good talent but not great talent; just bigger, faster, stronger because older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear Crabs had a very successful tryout process picking up good players from all of the other Central Maryland programs (FCA, Breakers, MLC, Hawks, Looneys, etc). The strength of the NPYLL, the level of competition in the Crabs-run tournaments and inclusion in the newly formed NLF were all reasons given for kids moving to Crabs. I have to think that they remain the top program in Baltimore when you consider the other programs in their entirety.

They also lost kids to several of those same clubs for reasons that had more to do with conflicts in philosophy. Would agree they are the top across the board more likely due to the fact that they are older at each grade level than the teams they play. Good talent but not great talent; just bigger, faster, stronger because older.

I guess you're not over your son not getting an invite from the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear Crabs had a very successful tryout process picking up good players from all of the other Central Maryland programs (FCA, Breakers, MLC, Hawks, Looneys, etc). The strength of the NPYLL, the level of competition in the Crabs-run tournaments and inclusion in the newly formed NLF were all reasons given for kids moving to Crabs. I have to think that they remain the top program in Baltimore when you consider the other programs in their entirety.

They also lost kids to several of those same clubs for reasons that had more to do with conflicts in philosophy. Would agree they are the top across the board more likely due to the fact that they are older at each grade level than the teams they play. Good talent but not great talent; just bigger, faster, stronger because older.

The "older" thing does not happen until the kids get to 9th grade and repeat that grade. Only 3 players from last year's 2019 are on next year's 2020 team. That is a historically low number. Last year, seven 9th graders repeated.

I have heard that preliminary discussions have occurred about merging HoCo - NPYLL or at a minimum league cooperation. Perhaps lower status "b" teams play HoCo and higher status "a,aa" play NPYLL. Has anyone else heard anything relating to this or does this belong in the large round rumor bin?

[quote=Anonymous]I have heard that preliminary discussions have occurred about merging HoCo - NPYLL or at a minimum league cooperation. Perhaps lower status "b" teams play HoCo and higher status "a,aa" play NPYLL. Has anyone else heard anything relating to this or does this belong in the large round rumor bin?

Never happen. Why would NPYLL do that and water down their product? No advantage there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear Crabs had a very successful tryout process picking up good players from all of the other Central Maryland programs (FCA, Breakers, MLC, Hawks, Looneys, etc). The strength of the NPYLL, the level of competition in the Crabs-run tournaments and inclusion in the newly formed NLF were all reasons given for kids moving to Crabs. I have to think that they remain the top program in Baltimore when you consider the other programs in their entirety.

They also lost kids to several of those same clubs for reasons that had more to do with conflicts in philosophy. Would agree they are the top across the board more likely due to the fact that they are older at each grade level than the teams they play. Good talent but not great talent; just bigger, faster, stronger because older.

The "older" thing does not happen until the kids get to 9th grade and repeat that grade. Only 3 players from last year's 2019 are on next year's 2020 team. That is a historically low number. Last year, seven 9th graders repeated.

The "older" thing happens on their 4th grade team and up.. Many kids that were held back in the made up grade in Private schools called pre-first are on the Crabs. Crabs have the most " held back " players , but many are getting some of these playing down players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I have heard that preliminary discussions have occurred about merging HoCo - NPYLL or at a minimum league cooperation. Perhaps lower status "b" teams play HoCo and higher status "a,aa" play NPYLL. Has anyone else heard anything relating to this or does this belong in the large round rumor bin?

Never happen. Why would NPYLL do that and water down their product? No advantage there

It would be a big advantage to the "product" if all the top teams could play against each other. Would be a shame if FCA and Crabs 2020 don't play again this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I have heard that preliminary discussions have occurred about merging HoCo - NPYLL or at a minimum league cooperation. Perhaps lower status "b" teams play HoCo and higher status "a,aa" play NPYLL. Has anyone else heard anything relating to this or does this belong in the large round rumor bin?

Never happen. Why would NPYLL do that and water down their product? No advantage there

I could see one league moving to Sat. Games to get more teams enrolled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I have heard that preliminary discussions have occurred about merging HoCo - NPYLL or at a minimum league cooperation. Perhaps lower status "b" teams play HoCo and higher status "a,aa" play NPYLL. Has anyone else heard anything relating to this or does this belong in the large round rumor bin?

Never happen. Why would NPYLL do that and water down their product? No advantage there

I could see one league moving to Sat. Games to get more teams enrolled.

Crabs has stated they will never play in a Saturday league. They feel the boys practice best on Saturdays as opposed to during the week when they have school, school lax practice, etc.

FCA? I really dont think crabs cares about playing fca. They arent all that

NPYLL doesn't need the HoCo teams.

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

HOCO - it's the better league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

HOCO - it's the better league.

LOL. Ok, FCA dad. Sorry you're still stuck in the minor league.

Yes, Just like Kooper AA 2019 team get killed all season. Wait to see if team 91 is really a contender.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

HOCO - it's the better league.

For sure - Lax Factory, Snappers, Zingos, wicked competition in HOCO - watch out!! hahahahahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Amen! The jersey doesn't change the fact that those Breakers teams are simply average - let's let them get their feet wet before we throw them in the deep end of NPYLL to play real teams...

Hoco champ beat npyll Champ this summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hoco champ beat npyll Champ this summer

So, one HOCO league championship team at one grade level beat an NPYLL league championship team in a game this summer? You must be absolutely right then - HOCO is the bomb - that changes everything! I can't believe that we ever thought otherwise...LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hoco champ beat npyll Champ this summer

In every division multiple times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

HOCO - it's the better league.

For sure - Lax Factory, Snappers, Zingos, wicked competition in HOCO - watch out!! hahahahahaha

Right - because MD Extreme, VLC, Storm, Cannons, Triple Threat, Bethesda, Cavaliers, Next Level, etc are Elite. Keep on drinking the kool aid Crabs dad... your world is quickly crumbling around you.

Amazing how Crab daddies live vicariously through their kids...probably noting better to do in between changing brake pads or repairing roofs. Red solo cups will be out in force this fall!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hoco champ beat npyll Champ this summer

In every division multiple times.

OK - let's get a list

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

HOCO - it's the better league.

For sure - Lax Factory, Snappers, Zingos, wicked competition in HOCO - watch out!! hahahahahaha

Right - because MD Extreme, VLC, Storm, Cannons, Triple Threat, Bethesda, Cavaliers, Next Level, etc are Elite. Keep on drinking the kool aid Crabs dad... your world is quickly crumbling around you.

Seems like both leagues have their share of very good teams and other teams, arguing over which league is better is meaningless, let's just focus on Crab stuff - holdbacks, manipulating tournament brackets, etc.

Fca is the most improved 2020 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

HOCO - it's the better league.

For sure - Lax Factory, Snappers, Zingos, wicked competition in HOCO - watch out!! hahahahahaha

Right - because MD Extreme, VLC, Storm, Cannons, Triple Threat, Bethesda, Cavaliers, Next Level, etc are Elite. Keep on drinking the kool aid Crabs dad... your world is quickly crumbling around you.

So, I'll chime in - I'm not a Crabs dad, so save that for someone else. If your definition of elite is that whenever anyone asks who the best club teams are in this area for high school, recruiting, etc., then NPYLL is most certainly elite. In fact, whenever anyone mentions "elite" club teams - in this forum or on other venues - in the MD area, the same team names always come up - Hawks, Crabs, VLC, Madlax. Sometimes Cannons and Breakers. All play NPYLL. Not Next Level, but they lose every game at every age group, so oh well - they should probably move to HOCO to be honest. Cavs and the other teams you mention play A not AA, so they aren't in the mix. However, I've yet to ever see Snappers, Lax Factory, Zingos, Swarm, Roughriders EVER mentioned - all HOCO. In fact, this summer a Roughriders parent told me that their son hoped to "work his way through the C and B level club teams and make it on the Crabs next year" - not me saying it, that's from a parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca is the most improved 2020 team

That would imply that they got a number of kids from Crabs, Looneys, Hawks, and Breakers - is that the case?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca is the most improved 2020 team

That would imply that they got a number of kids from Crabs, Looneys, Hawks, and Breakers - is that the case?

They had some 2020 kids that had been on 2019. Let's not start with the discussion about re-class. these are kids that were either playing up in age or started school late due to summer bday. Pretty sure none are repeating 8th.

FCA is the program that invented the holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA is the program that invented the holdback.

Their 2020 boys take turns driving the FCA van to tourneys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Mediocre Breakers teams? The 2020 Breakers team lost by 1 in OT to the Crabs 2020 team with the 2019 holdbacks. Would not say they are mediocre unless you also call Crabs mediocre.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Amen! The jersey doesn't change the fact that those Breakers teams are simply average - let's let them get their feet wet before we throw them in the deep end of NPYLL to play real teams...

Coming from the Crabs 2020 dad whose team had to bring in 2019 players at Beach Lax to beat Breakers by 1 in overtime? Crabs would not be ranked # 1 in any age group if they had age appropriate kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca is the most improved 2020 team

That would imply that they got a number of kids from Crabs, Looneys, Hawks, and Breakers - is that the case?

They had some 2020 kids that had been on 2019. Let's not start with the discussion about re-class. these are kids that were either playing up in age or started school late due to summer bday. Pretty sure none are repeating 8th.

2001 summer birthdays should be playing 2019, not 2020. It is the same thing as holding back in the 8th grade, only the kids were held back in kindergarden

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Mediocre Breakers teams? The 2020 Breakers team lost by 1 in OT to the Crabs 2020 team with the 2019 holdbacks. Would not say they are mediocre unless you also call Crabs mediocre.

By the way...congrats on that loss...and congrats on the loss in spring too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Mediocre Breakers teams? The 2020 Breakers team lost by 1 in OT to the Crabs 2020 team with the 2019 holdbacks. Would not say they are mediocre unless you also call Crabs mediocre.

By the way...congrats on that loss...and congrats on the loss in spring too.

Same for your big debut on national television!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

HOCO - it's the better league.

For sure - Lax Factory, Snappers, Zingos, wicked competition in HOCO - watch out!! hahahahahaha

Right - because MD Extreme, VLC, Storm, Cannons, Triple Threat, Bethesda, Cavaliers, Next Level, etc are Elite. Keep on drinking the kool aid Crabs dad... your world is quickly crumbling around you.

So, I'll chime in - I'm not a Crabs dad, so save that for someone else. If your definition of elite is that whenever anyone asks who the best club teams are in this area for high school, recruiting, etc., then NPYLL is most certainly elite. In fact, whenever anyone mentions "elite" club teams - in this forum or on other venues - in the MD area, the same team names always come up - Hawks, Crabs, VLC, Madlax. Sometimes Cannons and Breakers. All play NPYLL. Not Next Level, but they lose every game at every age group, so oh well - they should probably move to HOCO to be honest. Cavs and the other teams you mention play A not AA, so they aren't in the mix. However, I've yet to ever see Snappers, Lax Factory, Zingos, Swarm, Roughriders EVER mentioned - all HOCO. In fact, this summer a Roughriders parent told me that their son hoped to "work his way through the C and B level club teams and make it on the Crabs next year" - not me saying it, that's from a parent.

I agree with your statement, but VLC plays A not AA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Mediocre Breakers teams? The 2020 Breakers team lost by 1 in OT to the Crabs 2020 team with the 2019 holdbacks. Would not say they are mediocre unless you also call Crabs mediocre.

By the way...congrats on that loss...and congrats on the loss in spring too.

Same for your big debut on national television!

haha touche!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Mediocre Breakers teams? The 2020 Breakers team lost by 1 in OT to the Crabs 2020 team with the 2019 holdbacks. Would not say they are mediocre unless you also call Crabs mediocre.

By the way...congrats on that loss...and congrats on the loss in spring too.

Thanks - how did we look from your TV screen? Does it really add 10 pounds? Glad you all got a chance to relax and watch from home...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

HOCO - it's the better league.

For sure - Lax Factory, Snappers, Zingos, wicked competition in HOCO - watch out!! hahahahahaha

Right - because MD Extreme, VLC, Storm, Cannons, Triple Threat, Bethesda, Cavaliers, Next Level, etc are Elite. Keep on drinking the kool aid Crabs dad... your world is quickly crumbling around you.

So, I'll chime in - I'm not a Crabs dad, so save that for someone else. If your definition of elite is that whenever anyone asks who the best club teams are in this area for high school, recruiting, etc., then NPYLL is most certainly elite. In fact, whenever anyone mentions "elite" club teams - in this forum or on other venues - in the MD area, the same team names always come up - Hawks, Crabs, VLC, Madlax. Sometimes Cannons and Breakers. All play NPYLL. Not Next Level, but they lose every game at every age group, so oh well - they should probably move to HOCO to be honest. Cavs and the other teams you mention play A not AA, so they aren't in the mix. However, I've yet to ever see Snappers, Lax Factory, Zingos, Swarm, Roughriders EVER mentioned - all HOCO. In fact, this summer a Roughriders parent told me that their son hoped to "work his way through the C and B level club teams and make it on the Crabs next year" - not me saying it, that's from a parent.

I agree with your statement, but VLC plays A not AA

Two of the VLC teams did last spring, but all are playing AA this coming spring.

actually, quite bad. you guys got smoked

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Mediocre Breakers teams? The 2020 Breakers team lost by 1 in OT to the Crabs 2020 team with the 2019 holdbacks. Would not say they are mediocre unless you also call Crabs mediocre.

By the way...congrats on that loss...and congrats on the loss in spring too.

Thanks - how did we look from your TV screen? Does it really add 10 pounds? Glad you all got a chance to relax and watch from home...

Loved every minute of it. Compared to Crush, you guys looked like a B team without your eighth graders. Makes a difference when there are actual rules and everyone has to follow them.

BTW...that is the same team that didn't even make the playoffs at the NSCLA tournament in June, correct?

Crabs 2020 will be the best team this fall. The talent at the tryouts was amazing.

Keep crying, LI Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 will be the best team this fall. The talent at the tryouts was amazing.

Keep crying, LI Dad.

Perhaps, but everyone has your number - every player suspect, every win tainted. Nobody will care about losing to you because you manipulate a flawed system to win.

Crabs motto - "8th grade...so nice we do it twice!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 will be the best team this fall. The talent at the tryouts was amazing.

Keep crying, LI Dad.

Perhaps, but everyone has your number - every player suspect, every win tainted. Nobody will care about losing to you because you manipulate a flawed system to win.

Crabs motto - "8th grade...so nice we do it twice!"

Seems like you and everyone else care enough to keep whining about it...hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 will be the best team this fall. The talent at the tryouts was amazing.

Keep crying, LI Dad.

Perhaps, but everyone has your number - every player suspect, every win tainted. Nobody will care about losing to you because you manipulate a flawed system to win.

Crabs motto - "8th grade...so nice we do it twice!"

Keep telling that to yourself. Meanwhile, our kids will be the ones recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 will be the best team this fall. The talent at the tryouts was amazing.

Keep crying, LI Dad.

Perhaps, but everyone has your number - every player suspect, every win tainted. Nobody will care about losing to you because you manipulate a flawed system to win.

Crabs motto - "8th grade...so nice we do it twice!"

Keep telling that to yourself. Meanwhile, our kids will be the ones recruited.

My kid did not start playing lacrosse with the goal of getting recruited, if it happens great, if not no biggie. There are many, many kids playing in college who did not play for the Crabs. Committing in the 9th grade only matters at cocktail parties.

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.[/quote]

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams. [/quote]

Mediocre Breakers teams? The 2020 Breakers team lost by 1 in OT to the Crabs 2020 team with the 2019 holdbacks. Would not say they are mediocre unless you also call Crabs mediocre. [/quote]

By the way...congrats on that loss...and congrats on the loss in spring too.[/quote]

Thanks - how did we look from your TV screen? Does it really add 10 pounds? Glad you all got a chance to relax and watch from home... [/quote]

Loved every minute of it. Compared to Crush, you guys looked like a B team without your eighth graders. Makes a difference when there are actual rules and everyone has to follow them.

BTW...that is the same team that didn't even make the playoffs at the NSCLA tournament in June, correct?

[/quote]

Fact is - your team wasn't there and never will be. Losing any championship is better than watching it on TV - ask The Skins...LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact is - your team wasn't there and never will be. Losing any championship is better than watching it on TV - ask The Skins...LOL

That was not a championship, just another reminder of the dominance of Crush. Tougher field at Young Guns that weekend. Including the team who beat you at NSCLA and the Looney's team that only lost to Crush by one.

This whole thread is reminiscent of the Crabs dads high fiving each other after the game at Beach Lax...and missing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Amen! The jersey doesn't change the fact that those Breakers teams are simply average - let's let them get their feet wet before we throw them in the deep end of NPYLL to play real teams...

Coming from the Crabs 2020 dad whose team had to bring in 2019 players at Beach Lax to beat Breakers by 1 in overtime? Crabs would not be ranked # 1 in any age group if they had age appropriate kids.

So the fact that Crabs beat Breakers 10-7 in the spring without the holdbacks conveniently is not mentioned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Amen! The jersey doesn't change the fact that those Breakers teams are simply average - let's let them get their feet wet before we throw them in the deep end of NPYLL to play real teams...

Coming from the Crabs 2020 dad whose team had to bring in 2019 players at Beach Lax to beat Breakers by 1 in overtime? Crabs would not be ranked # 1 in any age group if they had age appropriate kids.

So the fact that Crabs beat Breakers 10-7 in the spring without the holdbacks conveniently is not mentioned.

The words "without the holdbacks" and the word crabs can not ever be used in the same sentence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Amen! The jersey doesn't change the fact that those Breakers teams are simply average - let's let them get their feet wet before we throw them in the deep end of NPYLL to play real teams...

Coming from the Crabs 2020 dad whose team had to bring in 2019 players at Beach Lax to beat Breakers by 1 in overtime? Crabs would not be ranked # 1 in any age group if they had age appropriate kids.

So the fact that Crabs beat Breakers 10-7 in the spring without the holdbacks conveniently is not mentioned.

They struggled with the Hawks too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Amen! The jersey doesn't change the fact that those Breakers teams are simply average - let's let them get their feet wet before we throw them in the deep end of NPYLL to play real teams...

Coming from the Crabs 2020 dad whose team had to bring in 2019 players at Beach Lax to beat Breakers by 1 in overtime? Crabs would not be ranked # 1 in any age group if they had age appropriate kids.

So the fact that Crabs beat Breakers 10-7 in the spring without the holdbacks conveniently is not mentioned.

Not every kid who played in the spring was eligible for Denver.

Looking at their roster the Crabs 2020 has a minimum of 6 kids who have been held back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at their roster the Crabs 2020 has a minimum of 6 kids who have been held back.

Did they release their roster? If yes where can it be found?

So what? It's a graduation year based system last I checked. Do you go on FCAs thread and rant about their holdbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what? It's a graduation year based system last I checked. Do you go on FCAs thread and rant about their holdbacks?

The so what is that no one thinks that the Crabs or any other team/ club is as good as they say they are because they can only do it with kids playing down a notch. It taints the wins, mocks the victories. If any team or club is as good as they say they are, has as good of coaching, is confident in their true on age players that belong in the grade, they wouldn't need to have kids playing down. Is there really glory in beating other teams when you know you can't do it in your own year or without these kids? Seems like a desperate business move to stay relevant. If the Crabs or any other teams are so strong- do it with their true age and don't stack your kids so you play down even if grade based. Might not be breaking any rules, but call a spade a spade, you will win because you play younger teams. Your kids that play down could never play hockey, they'd be laughed at for their mind set. #wherestheglory?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact is - your team wasn't there and never will be. Losing any championship is better than watching it on TV - ask The Skins...LOL

That was not a championship, just another reminder of the dominance of Crush. Tougher field at Young Guns that weekend. Including the team who beat you at NSCLA and the Looney's team that only lost to Crush by one.

This whole thread is reminiscent of the Crabs dads high fiving each other after the game at Beach Lax...and missing.

So jealous that it's almost painful. Either way, it's not your team winning Beach Lax or playing in Denver, and Youngguns was a joke also - the rain and mud didn't allow anyone to play a real game. And the Looney's team lost - whether by 1 or 10, it doesn't matter - close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. From now on, maybe everyone shouldn't say "we almost" - when you look back at the stats, there isn't an "almost" column is there? W or L - all anyone cares about - if you don't win, you lose.

Ugh, I'm pretty sure close counts In Youth lax too. Listen to yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is 91 MD in NPYLL or HOCO?

Trying to do npyll, but crabs against it.

That is absolutely not true. 91 cannot play in NPYLL until they are an established club in the area. That is per the bylaws of the league. Plus Millon stated that the travel is too much in the NPYLL. Why don't we wait to see how well 91 actually does this year before everyone deciding that Crabs is afraid to play them. Moving mediocre Breakers teams to 91 doesn't make them better teams.

Amen! The jersey doesn't change the fact that those Breakers teams are simply average - let's let them get their feet wet before we throw them in the deep end of NPYLL to play real teams...

Coming from the Crabs 2020 dad whose team had to bring in 2019 players at Beach Lax to beat Breakers by 1 in overtime? Crabs would not be ranked # 1 in any age group if they had age appropriate kids.

So the fact that Crabs beat Breakers 10-7 in the spring without the holdbacks conveniently is not mentioned.

Crabs spring team still had kids that would not meet the Denver age guidelines - just not the holdbacks brought in for a single tournament that were still rostered on another Crabs team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact is - your team wasn't there and never will be. Losing any championship is better than watching it on TV - ask The Skins...LOL

That was not a championship, just another reminder of the dominance of Crush. Tougher field at Young Guns that weekend. Including the team who beat you at NSCLA and the Looney's team that only lost to Crush by one.

This whole thread is reminiscent of the Crabs dads high fiving each other after the game at Beach Lax...and missing.

So jealous that it's almost painful. Either way, it's not your team winning Beach Lax or playing in Denver, and Youngguns was a joke also - the rain and mud didn't allow anyone to play a real game. And the Looney's team lost - whether by 1 or 10, it doesn't matter - close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. From now on, maybe everyone shouldn't say "we almost" - when you look back at the stats, there isn't an "almost" column is there? W or L - all anyone cares about - if you don't win, you lose.

Point is they lost by one, and you lost by a lot. Their game could have gone either way, you guys were never really in it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact is - your team wasn't there and never will be. Losing any championship is better than watching it on TV - ask The Skins...LOL

That was not a championship, just another reminder of the dominance of Crush. Tougher field at Young Guns that weekend. Including the team who beat you at NSCLA and the Looney's team that only lost to Crush by one.

This whole thread is reminiscent of the Crabs dads high fiving each other after the game at Beach Lax...and missing.

So jealous that it's almost painful. Either way, it's not your team winning Beach Lax or playing in Denver, and Youngguns was a joke also - the rain and mud didn't allow anyone to play a real game. And the Looney's team lost - whether by 1 or 10, it doesn't matter - close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. From now on, maybe everyone shouldn't say "we almost" - when you look back at the stats, there isn't an "almost" column is there? W or L - all anyone cares about - if you don't win, you lose.

Point is they lost by one, and you lost by a lot. Their game could have gone either way, you guys were never really in it.

Anybody who knows sports doesn't cherrypick one game and judge a team on that. The NE Patriots lost to the KC Chiefs 41-14 in the regular season last year. Crabs 2020 had 2 losses last year (against really good teams) and 20+ wins. Id say they are pretty darn good and the future is bright again this year. And the holdback noise is really played out...especially when its the norm in Baltimore across many clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact is - your team wasn't there and never will be. Losing any championship is better than watching it on TV - ask The Skins...LOL

That was not a championship, just another reminder of the dominance of Crush. Tougher field at Young Guns that weekend. Including the team who beat you at NSCLA and the Looney's team that only lost to Crush by one.

This whole thread is reminiscent of the Crabs dads high fiving each other after the game at Beach Lax...and missing.

So jealous that it's almost painful. Either way, it's not your team winning Beach Lax or playing in Denver, and Youngguns was a joke also - the rain and mud didn't allow anyone to play a real game. And the Looney's team lost - whether by 1 or 10, it doesn't matter - close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. From now on, maybe everyone shouldn't say "we almost" - when you look back at the stats, there isn't an "almost" column is there? W or L - all anyone cares about - if you don't win, you lose.

Point is they lost by one, and you lost by a lot. Their game could have gone either way, you guys were never really in it.

No - Point is - both were losses. "Could have" doesn't matter, and never will. It didn't go the other way, and all anyone cares about and remembers is a W or an L.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ugh, I'm pretty sure close counts In Youth lax too. Listen to yourself.

No, it doesn't - close doesn't count in any lax age. It also doesn't count in football, baseball, or other sports. It also won't count when they grow up and someone else gets the job, but they were "almost" the one. I'm sure you have a shelf of participation trophies too...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 will be the best team this fall. The talent at the tryouts was amazing.

Keep crying, LI Dad.

Perhaps, but everyone has your number - every player suspect, every win tainted. Nobody will care about losing to you because you manipulate a flawed system to win.

Crabs motto - "8th grade...so nice we do it twice!"

I thought their motto was 'if you're not playing down, you're playing up!'

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what? It's a graduation year based system last I checked. Do you go on FCAs thread and rant about their holdbacks?

The so what is that no one thinks that the Crabs or any other team/ club is as good as they say they are because they can only do it with kids playing down a notch. It taints the wins, mocks the victories. If any team or club is as good as they say they are, has as good of coaching, is confident in their true on age players that belong in the grade, they wouldn't need to have kids playing down. Is there really glory in beating other teams when you know you can't do it in your own year or without these kids? Seems like a desperate business move to stay relevant. If the Crabs or any other teams are so strong- do it with their true age and don't stack your kids so you play down even if grade based. Might not be breaking any rules, but call a spade a spade, you will win because you play younger teams. Your kids that play down could never play hockey, they'd be laughed at for their mind set. #wherestheglory?

You're whole argument is ridiculous. Let's say for a second that the rules changed and it went to a single year age based system. And every club had to follow these same rules.

Do you really think that Crabs would struggle? Or would they just get the best kids at that age, the same way the get the best kids in each grade. Don't let the fact that Crabs has holdbacks now skew your view into thinking they are doing it because that is the only way they can compete. They have those kids because those kids want to play for Crabs. If those kids wanted to play for other clubs, they would take them too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what? It's a graduation year based system last I checked. Do you go on FCAs thread and rant about their holdbacks?

The so what is that no one thinks that the Crabs or any other team/ club is as good as they say they are because they can only do it with kids playing down a notch. It taints the wins, mocks the victories. If any team or club is as good as they say they are, has as good of coaching, is confident in their true on age players that belong in the grade, they wouldn't need to have kids playing down. Is there really glory in beating other teams when you know you can't do it in your own year or without these kids? Seems like a desperate business move to stay relevant. If the Crabs or any other teams are so strong- do it with their true age and don't stack your kids so you play down even if grade based. Might not be breaking any rules, but call a spade a spade, you will win because you play younger teams. Your kids that play down could never play hockey, they'd be laughed at for their mind set. #wherestheglory?

Your post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what? It's a graduation year based system last I checked. Do you go on FCAs thread and rant about their holdbacks?

The so what is that no one thinks that the Crabs or any other team/ club is as good as they say they are because they can only do it with kids playing down a notch. It taints the wins, mocks the victories. If any team or club is as good as they say they are, has as good of coaching, is confident in their true on age players that belong in the grade, they wouldn't need to have kids playing down. Is there really glory in beating other teams when you know you can't do it in your own year or without these kids? Seems like a desperate business move to stay relevant. If the Crabs or any other teams are so strong- do it with their true age and don't stack your kids so you play down even if grade based. Might not be breaking any rules, but call a spade a spade, you will win because you play younger teams. Your kids that play down could never play hockey, they'd be laughed at for their mind set. #wherestheglory?

I think the college recruiters think they're good, based on the commitment stats. And no one cares about hockey - this is a lacrosse forum...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact is - your team wasn't there and never will be. Losing any championship is better than watching it on TV - ask The Skins...LOL

That was not a championship, just another reminder of the dominance of Crush. Tougher field at Young Guns that weekend. Including the team who beat you at NSCLA and the Looney's team that only lost to Crush by one.

This whole thread is reminiscent of the Crabs dads high fiving each other after the game at Beach Lax...and missing.

So jealous that it's almost painful. Either way, it's not your team winning Beach Lax or playing in Denver, and Youngguns was a joke also - the rain and mud didn't allow anyone to play a real game. And the Looney's team lost - whether by 1 or 10, it doesn't matter - close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. From now on, maybe everyone shouldn't say "we almost" - when you look back at the stats, there isn't an "almost" column is there? W or L - all anyone cares about - if you don't win, you lose.

Point is they lost by one, and you lost by a lot. Their game could have gone either way, you guys were never really in it.

Anybody who knows sports doesn't cherrypick one game and judge a team on that. The NE Patriots lost to the KC Chiefs 41-14 in the regular season last year. Crabs 2020 had 2 losses last year (against really good teams) and 20+ wins. Id say they are pretty darn good and the future is bright again this year. And the holdback noise is really played out...especially when its the norm in Baltimore across many clubs.

And both of those losses were by the on age team, so holdbacks do make a big difference. Thank you for helping us prove our point.

BTW...one of those losses was to a team beaten by Looneys, twice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at their roster the Crabs 2020 has a minimum of 6 kids who have been held back.

Did they release their roster? If yes where can it be found?

Ummmm, it's on their website

I know this doesn't pertain to lacrosse, but trying to lighten the mood a little. I would imagine a lot of these puffy chested crabbydaddie's, due to their proximity to the charm city, are raven fans. If this is the case, could I get your opinion on the Tom Brady situation please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this doesn't pertain to lacrosse, but trying to lighten the mood a little. I would imagine a lot of these puffy chested crabbydaddie's, due to their proximity to the charm city, are raven fans. If this is the case, could I get your opinion on the Tom Brady situation please.

A crab parent would say "no rules were broken" so it's perfectly fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what? It's a graduation year based system last I checked. Do you go on FCAs thread and rant about their holdbacks?

The so what is that no one thinks that the Crabs or any other team/ club is as good as they say they are because they can only do it with kids playing down a notch. It taints the wins, mocks the victories. If any team or club is as good as they say they are, has as good of coaching, is confident in their true on age players that belong in the grade, they wouldn't need to have kids playing down. Is there really glory in beating other teams when you know you can't do it in your own year or without these kids? Seems like a desperate business move to stay relevant. If the Crabs or any other teams are so strong- do it with their true age and don't stack your kids so you play down even if grade based. Might not be breaking any rules, but call a spade a spade, you will win because you play younger teams. Your kids that play down could never play hockey, they'd be laughed at for their mind set. #wherestheglory?

You're whole argument is ridiculous. Let's say for a second that the rules changed and it went to a single year age based system. And every club had to follow these same rules.

Do you really think that Crabs would struggle? Or would they just get the best kids at that age, the same way the get the best kids in each grade. Don't let the fact that Crabs has holdbacks now skew your view into thinking they are doing it because that is the only way they can compete. They have those kids because those kids want to play for Crabs. If those kids wanted to play for other clubs, they would take them too.

Nobody is saying that they would struggle, they would just be a very good club among several others. Their tremendous success is due primarily to their systematic use and encouragement of holdbacks to gain a competitive advantage. To say "we'd be just as good without holdbacks" is simply not true, the record shows that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this doesn't pertain to lacrosse, but trying to lighten the mood a little. I would imagine a lot of these puffy chested crabbydaddie's, due to their proximity to the charm city, are raven fans. If this is the case, could I get your opinion on the Tom Brady situation please.

Cheating [lacrosse]. Tom Brady is like 38. Totally unfair of him to playing down with kids in their 20s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact is - your team wasn't there and never will be. Losing any championship is better than watching it on TV - ask The Skins...LOL

That was not a championship, just another reminder of the dominance of Crush. Tougher field at Young Guns that weekend. Including the team who beat you at NSCLA and the Looney's team that only lost to Crush by one.

This whole thread is reminiscent of the Crabs dads high fiving each other after the game at Beach Lax...and missing.

So jealous that it's almost painful. Either way, it's not your team winning Beach Lax or playing in Denver, and Youngguns was a joke also - the rain and mud didn't allow anyone to play a real game. And the Looney's team lost - whether by 1 or 10, it doesn't matter - close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. From now on, maybe everyone shouldn't say "we almost" - when you look back at the stats, there isn't an "almost" column is there? W or L - all anyone cares about - if you don't win, you lose.

Point is they lost by one, and you lost by a lot. Their game could have gone either way, you guys were never really in it.

Anybody who knows sports doesn't cherrypick one game and judge a team on that. The NE Patriots lost to the KC Chiefs 41-14 in the regular season last year. Crabs 2020 had 2 losses last year (against really good teams) and 20+ wins. Id say they are pretty darn good and the future is bright again this year. And the holdback noise is really played out...especially when its the norm in Baltimore across many clubs.

And both of those losses were by the on age team, so holdbacks do make a big difference. Thank you for helping us prove our point.

BTW...one of those losses was to a team beaten by Looneys, twice.

I know Crabs lost to Crush in Denver. Who was the other on age team they lost to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this doesn't pertain to lacrosse, but trying to lighten the mood a little. I would imagine a lot of these puffy chested crabbydaddie's, due to their proximity to the charm city, are raven fans. If this is the case, could I get your opinion on the Tom Brady situation please.

Cheating [lacrosse]. Tom Brady is like 38. Totally unfair of him to playing down with kids in their 20s

This is hands-down the best post on this 174 page thread!

That was a perfect laugh to get my Friday rolling!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what? It's a graduation year based system last I checked. Do you go on FCAs thread and rant about their holdbacks?

The so what is that no one thinks that the Crabs or any other team/ club is as good as they say they are because they can only do it with kids playing down a notch. It taints the wins, mocks the victories. If any team or club is as good as they say they are, has as good of coaching, is confident in their true on age players that belong in the grade, they wouldn't need to have kids playing down. Is there really glory in beating other teams when you know you can't do it in your own year or without these kids? Seems like a desperate business move to stay relevant. If the Crabs or any other teams are so strong- do it with their true age and don't stack your kids so you play down even if grade based. Might not be breaking any rules, but call a spade a spade, you will win because you play younger teams. Your kids that play down could never play hockey, they'd be laughed at for their mind set. #wherestheglory?

You're whole argument is ridiculous. Let's say for a second that the rules changed and it went to a single year age based system. And every club had to follow these same rules.

Do you really think that Crabs would struggle? Or would they just get the best kids at that age, the same way the get the best kids in each grade. Don't let the fact that Crabs has holdbacks now skew your view into thinking they are doing it because that is the only way they can compete. They have those kids because those kids want to play for Crabs. If those kids wanted to play for other clubs, they would take them too.

Nobody is saying that they would struggle, they would just be a very good club among several others. Their tremendous success is due primarily to their systematic use and encouragement of holdbacks to gain a competitive advantage. To say "we'd be just as good without holdbacks" is simply not true, the record shows that.

That's my point. What record shows that? If you took the holdbacks off crabs, they would be replaced by top players for that age that are on other teams right now. You cant say, "Look what happened when they played without their holdbacks". You are looking at it in a vacuum. Like I said, if they started fresh with new rules, they would still have the best players. They always did before all the holdbacks started.

The on age crabs lost to Edge 10-5 in their tune up for Denver at the NSCLA tournament.

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

And what we also know is, Crabs were there, went undefeated beating everyone handily to go to the Championship game, and you watched it on TV. So there you go. And before you waste your time saying "but we could have blah blah blah", the fact is the Crabs were the only team there from MD. I'm sure you'll say that they shouldn't have been, but they were and you weren't, simple fact. Pats probably shouldn't have been in the Superbowl either, but they're the only ones shining their rings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

And what we also know is, Crabs were there, went undefeated beating everyone handily to go to the Championship game, and you watched it on TV. So there you go. And before you waste your time saying "but we could have blah blah blah", the fact is the Crabs were the only team there from MD. I'm sure you'll say that they shouldn't have been, but they were and you weren't, simple fact. Pats probably shouldn't have been in the Superbowl either, but they're the only ones shining their rings.

There was no competition at that tournament, beating the field handily is no big achievement. Did not mind missing the trip, best competition was at young guns. Rain does not matter when everyone plays in the same conditions - level playing field - but what would a Crab know about that?

I am curious how many haters are on teams that would have done better in Denver than the Crabs - other than Looneys who have proof. It was fun for the boys and they should not be ashamed of their performance. Once Crush was competing against HS teams with similar domination, it should shut the haters up - but Taylor Swift is right!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

But you do debate it. Over and over again. Crabs have holdbacks, blah blah blah. No kidding. So do most teams. If there were no holdbacks they would still be the best if no one else did either. I understand you like to hate on Crabs. People hate the Yankees, Patriots, etc. It just comes off as petty and people just assume your kid got cut by Crabs.

BTW, my son is on Crabs and is on age for his grade so don't start with I have to let my kid play down nonsense since that is always the next shot to be fired.

When playing CRABS...should be noted who you are playing..Crabs or Crabs PLUS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

But you do debate it. Over and over again. Crabs have holdbacks, blah blah blah. No kidding. So do most teams. If there were no holdbacks they would still be the best if no one else did either. I understand you like to hate on Crabs. People hate the Yankees, Patriots, etc. It just comes off as petty and people just assume your kid got cut by Crabs.

BTW, my son is on Crabs and is on age for his grade so don't start with I have to let my kid play down nonsense since that is always the next shot to be fired.

"If there were no holdbacks they would still be the best..." - your record indicates otherwise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

And what we also know is, Crabs were there, went undefeated beating everyone handily to go to the Championship game, and you watched it on TV. So there you go. And before you waste your time saying "but we could have blah blah blah", the fact is the Crabs were the only team there from MD. I'm sure you'll say that they shouldn't have been, but they were and you weren't, simple fact. Pats probably shouldn't have been in the Superbowl either, but they're the only ones shining their rings.

There was no competition at that tournament, beating the field handily is no big achievement. Did not mind missing the trip, best competition was at young guns. Rain does not matter when everyone plays in the same conditions - level playing field - but what would a Crab know about that?

You can literally script what people are going to say on this forum - even though the response are written by different people, it's like they all share one brain. It's so funny that the OP says "I know you're going to say they don't belong there" and "the teams there weren't any good", and then the next poster says "there was no competition at that tournament" and "didn't mind missing that trip". You're completely full of it - had you been asked to go, you would have broken your legs running to the plane. Please just stop, it's so embarrassing to be SUCH sore losers - you're making everyone here who isn't a Crab look like an idiot!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

"Not going to debate it, but I will" LMAO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When playing CRABS...should be noted who you are playing..Crabs or Crabs PLUS

Now thats funny!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

And what we also know is, Crabs were there, went undefeated beating everyone handily to go to the Championship game, and you watched it on TV. So there you go. And before you waste your time saying "but we could have blah blah blah", the fact is the Crabs were the only team there from MD. I'm sure you'll say that they shouldn't have been, but they were and you weren't, simple fact. Pats probably shouldn't have been in the Superbowl either, but they're the only ones shining their rings.

There was no competition at that tournament, beating the field handily is no big achievement. Did not mind missing the trip, best competition was at young guns. Rain does not matter when everyone plays in the same conditions - level playing field - but what would a Crab know about that?

You can literally script what people are going to say on this forum - even though the response are written by different people, it's like they all share one brain. It's so funny that the OP says "I know you're going to say they don't belong there" and "the teams there weren't any good", and then the next poster says "there was no competition at that tournament" and "didn't mind missing that trip". You're completely full of it - had you been asked to go, you would have broken your legs running to the plane. Please just stop, it's so embarrassing to be SUCH sore losers - you're making everyone here who isn't a Crab look like an idiot!!

Don't know what you mean by "they don't belong there" - Denver? I don't think anyone cares that you went to Denver. It looks like it was a fun trip and I'm sure the boys had a great time, but the competition was lacking. And as we've said, we all enjoyed watching you get embarrassed.

Other teams were invited but declined, even teams from Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

And what we also know is, Crabs were there, went undefeated beating everyone handily to go to the Championship game, and you watched it on TV. So there you go. And before you waste your time saying "but we could have blah blah blah", the fact is the Crabs were the only team there from MD. I'm sure you'll say that they shouldn't have been, but they were and you weren't, simple fact. Pats probably shouldn't have been in the Superbowl either, but they're the only ones shining their rings.

There was no competition at that tournament, beating the field handily is no big achievement. Did not mind missing the trip, best competition was at young guns. Rain does not matter when everyone plays in the same conditions - level playing field - but what would a Crab know about that?

You can literally script what people are going to say on this forum - even though the response are written by different people, it's like they all share one brain. It's so funny that the OP says "I know you're going to say they don't belong there" and "the teams there weren't any good", and then the next poster says "there was no competition at that tournament" and "didn't mind missing that trip". You're completely full of it - had you been asked to go, you would have broken your legs running to the plane. Please just stop, it's so embarrassing to be SUCH sore losers - you're making everyone here who isn't a Crab look like an idiot!!

Don't know what you mean by "they don't belong there" - Denver? I don't think anyone cares that you went to Denver. It looks like it was a fun trip and I'm sure the boys had a great time, but the competition was lacking. And as we've said, we all enjoyed watching you get embarrassed.

Other teams were invited but declined, even teams from Maryland.

Yes, Denver - let's follow the thread please. Everyone is saying that "the competition was lacking", which is easy to say when you weren't there. It's exactly what you'd expect a sore loser to say. If your team was invited, but declined, let's see the proof. Either way, Team 91 would have destroyed your team also, if you had even made it past the others.

Good thing you went out of town...the Canadian team that spanked you was in Baltimore!!! HEHEHEHHEHEHHE

You dads are really weird. All of you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to debate about what might happen in a different reality. All we know is what did happen,without holdbacks you lost.

And what we also know is, Crabs were there, went undefeated beating everyone handily to go to the Championship game, and you watched it on TV. So there you go. And before you waste your time saying "but we could have blah blah blah", the fact is the Crabs were the only team there from MD. I'm sure you'll say that they shouldn't have been, but they were and you weren't, simple fact. Pats probably shouldn't have been in the Superbowl either, but they're the only ones shining their rings.

There was no competition at that tournament, beating the field handily is no big achievement. Did not mind missing the trip, best competition was at young guns. Rain does not matter when everyone plays in the same conditions - level playing field - but what would a Crab know about that?

You can literally script what people are going to say on this forum - even though the response are written by different people, it's like they all share one brain. It's so funny that the OP says "I know you're going to say they don't belong there" and "the teams there weren't any good", and then the next poster says "there was no competition at that tournament" and "didn't mind missing that trip". You're completely full of it - had you been asked to go, you would have broken your legs running to the plane. Please just stop, it's so embarrassing to be SUCH sore losers - you're making everyone here who isn't a Crab look like an idiot!!

Don't know what you mean by "they don't belong there" - Denver? I don't think anyone cares that you went to Denver. It looks like it was a fun trip and I'm sure the boys had a great time, but the competition was lacking. And as we've said, we all enjoyed watching you get embarrassed.

Other teams were invited but declined, even teams from Maryland.

Yes, Denver - let's follow the thread please. Everyone is saying that "the competition was lacking", which is easy to say when you weren't there. It's exactly what you'd expect a sore loser to say. If your team was invited, but declined, let's see the proof. Either way, Team 91 would have destroyed your team also, if you had even made it past the others.

Everyone sees right thru these goofballs. We all know Crush was the 1st team to accept an invite and scared off most of the other AA teams for one reason or another. Kind of pathetic if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good thing you went out of town...the Canadian team that spanked you was in Baltimore!!! HEHEHEHHEHEHHE

Funny!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other teams were invited but declined, even teams from Maryland.

Yes, Denver - let's follow the thread please. Everyone is saying that "the competition was lacking", which is easy to say when you weren't there. It's exactly what you'd expect a sore loser to say. If your team was invited, but declined, let's see the proof. Either way, Team 91 would have destroyed your team also, if you had even made it past the others.

For a "World Championship" made up of elite teams there certainly were a lot of lopsided games - 10, 20, 30 goals! Crush could have stayed on Long Island and had better competition.

Not a knock on any of those teams - the kids were treated like stars and that's what they'll remember.

But all this is just a distraction, let's stay on topic - without your holdbacks, you got Crushed by a team that you just barely beat when you had holdbacks (5-6?) three weeks prior. That's a fact not subject to debate.

Have a nice weekend.

Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

You guys need a new hobby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Of course it is, right or wrong, what ever anyone thinks that's what the Crabs do period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Dont know about that kid...But do know many others and they are loaded with holdbacks in 2020 and 2021 ..They will be some difficult teams to beat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Yes, good old boys network.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Yes, a year of pre-k and a holdback year later on. Some of these kids are almost 20 when they graduate high school. Your 13-14 year old 2020 will be playing against kids who have their learner's permits.

Not a lot of fun for this dad of a 13 year old 2020 whose son didn't make a club team this year. Not Crabs, but in DC area this has viraled out. He was the only on age kid who tried out for his club, which pulled in several kids from Crabs and other who frankly were just materially older and more developed so they were better. This sport needs a new look. My son will just play rec and that is fine, but the sport has just gone too far with this inequity. It is disgraceful to celebrate that and assert that is just the way to go or get left out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a lot of fun for this dad of a 13 year old 2020 whose son didn't make a club team this year. Not Crabs, but in DC area this has viraled out. He was the only on age kid who tried out for his club, which pulled in several kids from Crabs and other who frankly were just materially older and more developed so they were better.

I call BS. Even if it was a tiny tryout of 20 kids, you know for a fact that every single kid was "over age". And if it is a 2020 team, it is the grade, not the birth year.

What was the club? There is no club in DC where every tryout kid was a reclass. Come on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Dont know about that kid...But do know many others and they are loaded with holdbacks in 2020 and 2021 ..They will be some difficult teams to beat

But everyone knows the deal now and the legitimate teams know an asterisk goes along with every Crabs win. Their opponents have no respect for the Crabs players -even the few on age kids- all are tainted because they knowingly play on a team that manipulates the rules for their own gain. Talented or not, it is lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Yes, good old boys network.

Three of the 2020 boys this year were on the 2019 roster last year and also had pre-1st years with private school. Some of the 2020 were already not age appropriate before these three additions and who knows about the rest of the new additions to the team - potentially holdbacks from other clubs. Stronger, faster, OLDER.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Yes, a year of pre-k and a holdback year later on. Some of these kids are almost 20 when they graduate high school. Your 13-14 year old 2020 will be playing against kids who have their learner's permits.

Yes and he smokes and drinks beer right on the field. I saw him ride a dirt bike onto Turf at BL and do doughnuts. Appalling

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other teams were invited but declined, even teams from Maryland.

Yes, Denver - let's follow the thread please. Everyone is saying that "the competition was lacking", which is easy to say when you weren't there. It's exactly what you'd expect a sore loser to say. If your team was invited, but declined, let's see the proof. Either way, Team 91 would have destroyed your team also, if you had even made it past the others.

For a "World Championship" made up of elite teams there certainly were a lot of lopsided games - 10, 20, 30 goals! Crush could have stayed on Long Island and had better competition.

Not a knock on any of those teams - the kids were treated like stars and that's what they'll remember.

But all this is just a distraction, let's stay on topic - without your holdbacks, you got Crushed by a team that you just barely beat when you had holdbacks (5-6?) three weeks prior. That's a fact not subject to debate.

Have a nice weekend.

And once again, if your team beat Crush, keep talking and let us know when and where (almost doesn't count, btw). If they haven't (and I'm positive they can't - they are by far the best team in the country), save your breath. It's hilarious to hear from teams who wouldn't even have made it to the Final, let alone not get destroyed.

What posters here would consider clubs in the DMV where that never happens, maybe you're just misinformed. Most of the kids in Montgomery County in private middle schools and who focus on sports repeat a middle school grade. Nearly all of them. It does cross contaminate for kids who are 13 year old 8th graders whose parents won't or can't do the "Mater Delay" strategy as it is called at one private school celebrated for this strategy. Go read up on the article about the Mater Dei basketball player who scored on a dunk in their first game last year. This is in no way a Crabs only issue. Of course, dems da rules though...grade based teams at the youth levels. Grade based teams are best for school teams. It just invited the worst out of club lacrosse and bringing the worst out of lacrosse is always the easy thing to get done.

I don't think you can fault the clubs for putting together the best team they can. When kids are older, they are generally gonna be better at the middle school level because of the rapid physical development at that age. It's the parents of the holdback kids. I don't see the value of it for the kid, the system, or the parents, but that is the landscape. I'm sure club coaches factor that in when they choose knowing that the younger player who is even with the older one in 7/8th grade will probably be better in a year or two when the age advantage goes away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a lot of fun for this dad of a 13 year old 2020 whose son didn't make a club team this year. Not Crabs, but in DC area this has viraled out. He was the only on age kid who tried out for his club, which pulled in several kids from Crabs and other who frankly were just materially older and more developed so they were better. This sport needs a new look. My son will just play rec and that is fine, but the sport has just gone too far with this inequity. It is disgraceful to celebrate that and assert that is just the way to go or get left out.

If Little Johnny couldn't make one of the 45 clubs available in the DMV, then I think Little Johnny has an ability issue, not an age issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What posters here would consider clubs in the DMV where that never happens, maybe you're just misinformed. Most of the kids in Montgomery County in private middle schools and who focus on sports repeat a middle school grade. Nearly all of them. It does cross contaminate for kids who are 13 year old 8th graders whose parents won't or can't do the "Mater Delay" strategy as it is called at one private school celebrated for this strategy. Go read up on the article about the Mater Dei basketball player who scored on a dunk in their first game last year. This is in no way a Crabs only issue. Of course, dems da rules though...grade based teams at the youth levels. Grade based teams are best for school teams. It just invited the worst out of club lacrosse and bringing the worst out of lacrosse is always the easy thing to get done.

Are more and more kids reclassifying? Yes? Is Mater Dei famous for making/allowing kids to reclassify? Yes.

Is "nearly all of them" accurate in terms of private school Montgomery County kids who reclassify? No. Not even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a lot of fun for this dad of a 13 year old 2020 whose son didn't make a club team this year. Not Crabs, but in DC area this has viraled out. He was the only on age kid who tried out for his club, which pulled in several kids from Crabs and other who frankly were just materially older and more developed so they were better. This sport needs a new look. My son will just play rec and that is fine, but the sport has just gone too far with this inequity. It is disgraceful to celebrate that and assert that is just the way to go or get left out.

If Little Johnny couldn't make one of the 45 clubs available in the DMV, then I think Little Johnny has an ability issue, not an age issue.

There are lots of clubs that did not meet their numbers and are still looking for kids. They are not the best teams, but the kids still learn a lot and have a good time in the single A, B or C divisions. If your son really wants to play, post what age group he is in and position and I'm sure some of the coaches will respond to it in this forum to set up an evaluation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other teams were invited but declined, even teams from Maryland.

Yes, Denver - let's follow the thread please. Everyone is saying that "the competition was lacking", which is easy to say when you weren't there. It's exactly what you'd expect a sore loser to say. If your team was invited, but declined, let's see the proof. Either way, Team 91 would have destroyed your team also, if you had even made it past the others.

For a "World Championship" made up of elite teams there certainly were a lot of lopsided games - 10, 20, 30 goals! Crush could have stayed on Long Island and had better competition.

Not a knock on any of those teams - the kids were treated like stars and that's what they'll remember.

But all this is just a distraction, let's stay on topic - without your holdbacks, you got Crushed by a team that you just barely beat when you had holdbacks (5-6?) three weeks prior. That's a fact not subject to debate.

Have a nice weekend.

For a tournament to have the "best" competition, it must be held in Baltimore or Philadelphia. A large percentage of the best teams will not fly to every tournament that self proclaims itself to be the "world championship". In my opinion, Young Guns is as close to the world championship as you are going to get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other teams were invited but declined, even teams from Maryland.

Yes, Denver - let's follow the thread please. Everyone is saying that "the competition was lacking", which is easy to say when you weren't there. It's exactly what you'd expect a sore loser to say. If your team was invited, but declined, let's see the proof. Either way, Team 91 would have destroyed your team also, if you had even made it past the others.

For a "World Championship" made up of elite teams there certainly were a lot of lopsided games - 10, 20, 30 goals! Crush could have stayed on Long Island and had better competition.

Not a knock on any of those teams - the kids were treated like stars and that's what they'll remember.

But all this is just a distraction, let's stay on topic - without your holdbacks, you got Crushed by a team that you just barely beat when you had holdbacks (5-6?) three weeks prior. That's a fact not subject to debate.

Have a nice weekend.

And once again, if your team beat Crush, keep talking and let us know when and where (almost doesn't count, btw). If they haven't (and I'm positive they can't - they are by far the best team in the country), save your breath. It's hilarious to hear from teams who wouldn't even have made it to the Final, let alone not get destroyed.

Nobody is talking about how their team would have done better against Crush, we are just pointing out that you beat them (barely) with a bunch of holdbacks and then got demolished 19-8 when you had to field a team of on-age kids.

You had a great season, only losing two games - but both of those losses came when you could not use your holdbacks - 2020s and the ones you bring down from 2019 for special occasions.

Just goes to show how much of a difference holdbacks make.

Crab Victory = *

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Yes, good old boys network.

Three of the 2020 boys this year were on the 2019 roster last year and also had pre-1st years with private school. Some of the 2020 were already not age appropriate before these three additions and who knows about the rest of the new additions to the team - potentially holdbacks from other clubs. Stronger, faster, OLDER.

Every player suspect, every win tainted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Yes, good old boys network.

Three of the 2020 boys this year were on the 2019 roster last year and also had pre-1st years with private school. Some of the 2020 were already not age appropriate before these three additions and who knows about the rest of the new additions to the team - potentially holdbacks from other clubs. Stronger, faster, OLDER.

Every player suspect, every win tainted.

Said the dad who's kid got cut

Don't hate us cuz you ain't us

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Yes, good old boys network.

Three of the 2020 boys this year were on the 2019 roster last year and also had pre-1st years with private school. Some of the 2020 were already not age appropriate before these three additions and who knows about the rest of the new additions to the team - potentially holdbacks from other clubs. Stronger, faster, OLDER.

Every player suspect, every win tainted.

Said the dad who's kid got cut

Says the dad of the kid that needs to play down. Tainted wins for sure! In the end there will be just as many kids playing college ball that didn't have to play down to get a spot. Those are the ones people respect and don't snicker about. Keep living in your dream and through your kid. Real talent plays up!

And no honeypotting

That's how they roll

Yep.....cheatin and repeatin

Let's call them 2020/19/18....just to be fair!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just saw the crabs 2020 roster and there's a kid that has been Held back at least 2 years

Wow is this true

Yes, good old boys network.

Three of the 2020 boys this year were on the 2019 roster last year and also had pre-1st years with private school. Some of the 2020 were already not age appropriate before these three additions and who knows about the rest of the new additions to the team - potentially holdbacks from other clubs. Stronger, faster, OLDER.

Every player suspect, every win tainted.

Said the dad who's kid got cut

Says the dad of the kid that needs to play down. Tainted wins for sure! In the end there will be just as many kids playing college ball that didn't have to play down to get a spot. Those are the ones people respect and don't snicker about. Keep living in your dream and through your kid. Real talent plays up!

Of course there will be just as many kids playing college ball - NJIT and VMI always need players too...LOL

The crabs page is The Whiners vs. Douchers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course there will be just as many kids playing college ball - NJIT and VMI always need players too...LOL

I agree that the "reclass mob" is going overboard, but your post is despicable. Anyone who goes to a college they want to attend - regardless if they play lacrosse - should be congratulated. Denigrating NJIT, VMI or any lacrosse school is pathetic. Especially VMI, who has kids are going to be serving our country, you jerk.

If you had any guts, you would apologize, but I'm sure you won't.

Crabs don't apologize, we win!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs don't apologize, we win!!!!!

and serve the country! over half of the 2019 team are weekend warriors...military reserve!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course there will be just as many kids playing college ball - NJIT and VMI always need players too...LOL

I agree that the "reclass mob" is going overboard, but your post is despicable. Anyone who goes to a college they want to attend - regardless if they play lacrosse - should be congratulated. Denigrating NJIT, VMI or any lacrosse school is pathetic. Especially VMI, who has kids are going to be serving our country, you jerk.

If you had any guts, you would apologize, but I'm sure you won't.

It's rather amusing that people on this forum can disparage and insult clubs, people, etc. all day every day in the worst way possibly, and everyone laughs along, then when someone mentions two of the worst D1 lacrosse programs in the nation in a joking post it strikes a nerve and people call for blood. Mind you, no one said the academics of those schools are poor, or that no one should attend the schools, but the fact is that they are not good at lacrosse - that is the point I believe you missed. Not an opinion, it's backed up by their records and level of play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course there will be just as many kids playing college ball - NJIT and VMI always need players too...LOL

I agree that the "reclass mob" is going overboard, but your post is despicable. Anyone who goes to a college they want to attend - regardless if they play lacrosse - should be congratulated. Denigrating NJIT, VMI or any lacrosse school is pathetic. Especially VMI, who has kids are going to be serving our country, you jerk.

If you had any guts, you would apologize, but I'm sure you won't.

It's rather amusing that people on this forum can disparage and insult clubs, people, etc. all day every day in the worst way possibly, and everyone laughs along, then when someone mentions two of the worst D1 lacrosse programs in the nation in a joking post it strikes a nerve and people call for blood. Mind you, no one said the academics of those schools are poor, or that no one should attend the schools, but the fact is that they are not good at lacrosse - that is the point I believe you missed. Not an opinion, it's backed up by their records and level of play.

It's also rather amusing that anyone believes that most of the [lacrosse] posts from "Crabs Parents" are not actually from a Crabs parent. Trolls

It's also rather amusing that anyone believes that most of the [lacrosse] posts from "Crabs Parents" are not actually from a Crabs parent. Trolls[/quote]

This post makes no sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's also rather amusing that anyone believes that most of the [lacrosse] posts from "Crabs Parents" are not actually from a Crabs parent. Trolls

This post makes no sense
[/quote]

I'm referring to the "The Hate Us cuz they ain't us" etc posts. No way those are actually from Crabs parents. Just people stirring the pot.

Will be interesting to see how many reclassified players the Crabs 2020 team will have on the roster. Clearly they will be stocked with kids whose parents find it necessary to hold their kids back in order to best younger kids. Such a sad and pathetic way to ruin youth lacrosse.

If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying

[quote=Anonymous]Will be interesting to see how many reclassified players the Crabs 2020 team will have on the roster. Clearly they will be stocked with kids whose parents find it necessary to hold their kids back in order to best younger kids. Such a sad and pathetic way to ruin youth lacrosse.

If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying

And let the crying begin. And a one and a two WAHHH

[quote=Anonymous]Will be interesting to see how many reclassified players the Crabs 2020 team will have on the roster. Clearly they will be stocked with kids whose parents find it necessary to hold their kids back in order to best younger kids. Such a sad and pathetic way to ruin youth lacrosse.

If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying

You could try Chess. Watch out for the Russian holdbacks though...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be interesting to see how many reclassified players the Crabs 2020 team will have on the roster. Clearly they will be stocked with kids whose parents find it necessary to hold their kids back in order to best younger kids. Such a sad and pathetic way to ruin youth lacrosse.

If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying

2 repeating 8th grade this year. That might be a record low.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be interesting to see how many reclassified players the Crabs 2020 team will have on the roster. Clearly they will be stocked with kids whose parents find it necessary to hold their kids back in order to best younger kids. Such a sad and pathetic way to ruin youth lacrosse.

If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying

2 repeating 8th grade this year. That might be a record low.

Maybe the massive amount of kids being heldback in kindergarten ( pre;First) is starting yo take its toll,,,,Even the repeating Eight grade parents are finding out it is to late...They should have held them back in kindergarten... What a disgrace MD youth club lacrosse is becoming...

Plus the other 6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be interesting to see how many reclassified players the Crabs 2020 team will have on the roster. Clearly they will be stocked with kids whose parents find it necessary to hold their kids back in order to best younger kids. Such a sad and pathetic way to ruin youth lacrosse.

If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying

2 repeating 8th grade this year. That might be a record low.

2 repeating 8th grade - probably more like 5 in addition to holdbacks already on the team. Pathetic.

If I asked my kid to repeat 8th grade he would think I was stupid. LOL.

[quote=Anonymous]If I asked my kid to repeat 8th grade he would think I was stupid. LOL.

Well that's a brilliant comment...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]If I asked my kid to repeat 8th grade he would think I was stupid. LOL.

Well that's a brilliant comment...

I agree. My kid has a 4.0 gpa and would think I am totally stupid for repeat a grade for the benefit of sports. No money in Lax, even pro lax. You do not need to be a great Lax player to start a club and fleece stupid parents.

Money in professional lax:

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/28/smallbusiness/major-league-lacrosse-salaries/index.html

Then there's Major League Lacrosse, where rookies make about $7,000. The average for all players falls somewhere between $10,000 and $20,000. That is what some of the parents pay for club. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then there's Major League Lacrosse, where rookies make about $7,000. The average for all players falls somewhere between $10,000 and $20,000. That is what some of the parents pay for club. LOL

If you're doing it for financial reasons - such as a college athletic scholarship or a career in lacrosse in the MLL - you're going to be sorely disappointed. Considering that the average D1 school, if fully funded, has 12 full scholarships to divide among the players (and not evenly - not even close), you'll be luck to get book money. That said, I don't think that is why most folks are in lacrosse - it makes our boys into stronger, better, healthier, smarter men and it may be the extra edge you need to get into the school you want to attend. Academics always have to come first - unlike football, basketball, etc., there aren't many free rides in lax, and they don't really "work with you" on grades either, that's just the simple truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then there's Major League Lacrosse, where rookies make about $7,000. The average for all players falls somewhere between $10,000 and $20,000. That is what some of the parents pay for club. LOL

If you're doing it for financial reasons - such as a college athletic scholarship or a career in lacrosse in the MLL - you're going to be sorely disappointed. Considering that the average D1 school, if fully funded, has 12 full scholarships to divide among the players (and not evenly - not even close), you'll be luck to get book money. That said, I don't think that is why most folks are in lacrosse - it makes our boys into stronger, better, healthier, smarter men and it may be the extra edge you need to get into the school you want to attend. Academics always have to come first - unlike football, basketball, etc., there aren't many free rides in lax, and they don't really "work with you" on grades either, that's just the simple truth.

Crabs started the whole 'reclass' thing. Plain and simple. I'd ask the parents of the original Crabs that did it why, and how did it pan out in the long run? Obviously it keeps tickling down year after year.

Great point. Crabs parents, leadership, supporters, etc can deflect all they want. Truth is the created this mess and just insult people when called out.

When you're not the best, I guess the only thing you can do is take shots at the best.

Madlax, btw, actually has more holdbacks than the Crabs.

Sad that lax has degraded into which team has the most cheaters. What will you all do when everyone is a cheater? Guess that will eliminate the advantage. Only ones laughing to the bank are the private schools collecting tuition. Dad that there is not more integrity!

What was crabs 2020 record last fall and spring/summer against FCA, Breakers, Looney's and Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you're not the best, I guess the only thing you can do is take shots at the best.

Madlax, btw, actually has more holdbacks than the Crabs.

Please what year are you referring to sir? I can give you the answer for most years.

If you are a CRABS parent of an uncommitted player, you have to be anything but thrilled with the recruiting tournaments your son is in this fall. The Famous Autumn Classic. Really, the Famous Autumn Classic. Famous for being a terrible tournament even for the youth teams. This is the same weekend that all the other respected clubs will be in Philly or at the BIG 12 in MD. If you don't think it is a joke, check out this first rate line-up;

CONFIRMED PROGRAMS FOR 2015:

2017 - Crabs, VLC, API Select, EDGE, Breakers

2018 - Crabs, VLC, Elev8, EDGE, Breakers

2019 - Carolina Cannons, Crabs, VLC, Elev8, Elevation, Breakers

So why would this happen....oh wait, this is a CRABS run tournament. I guess CRABS play in the best tournaments if they don't hav etheir own 3rd rate tournament going on. What a shame. Freshman and sophomore CRABS parents, better ask for advice from older CRABS parents on how to navigate the recruiting game, because it seems that CRABS have changed from quality to the hunt for $$$ and so-so competition. GOOD luck! But hey, if this doesn't get it I am sure the Towson tournament will work out for you.

[quote=Anonymous]If you are a CRABS parent of an uncommitted player, you have to be anything but thrilled with the recruiting tournaments your son is in this fall. The Famous Autumn Classic. Really, the Famous Autumn Classic. Famous for being a terrible tournament even for the youth teams. This is the same weekend that all the other respected clubs will be in Philly or at the BIG 12 in MD. If you don't think it is a joke, check out this first rate line-up;

CONFIRMED PROGRAMS FOR 2015:

2017 - Crabs, VLC, API Select, EDGE, Breakers

2018 - Crabs, VLC, Elev8, EDGE, Breakers

2019 - Carolina Cannons, Crabs, VLC, Elev8, Elevation, Breakers

So why would this happen....oh wait, this is a CRABS run tournament. I guess CRABS play in the best tournaments if they don't hav etheir own 3rd rate tournament going on. What a shame. Freshman and sophomore CRABS parents, better ask for advice from older CRABS parents on how to navigate the recruiting game, because it seems that CRABS have changed from quality to the hunt for $$$ and so-so competition. GOOD luck! But hey, if this doesn't get it I am sure the Towson tournament will work out for you.

The NLF is a year removed from taking over. Look at the recruiting event the NLF just announced in conjunction with IMG in Florida in January. The NLF, NXT and 3d will control youth lacrosse entirely very soon.

Yes, the NLF has an event scheduled for January and I am sure that the CRABS parents really want to hear that they should spend another $1000 in expenses to send their son to that event in part because they played crappy fall tournaments. Great advice.

And to say that NXT, 3D and NLF will control youth lacrosse is a far fetched thought. I guess the great events that Adrenaline, Maverick, University of Maryland and others will up and vanish. Will they have more events than the rest, maybe but they will not control youth lacrosse.

People, to include CRABS parents spend enough money on club lacrosse as it is that spending even more because their club did a terrible job with their tournament circuit is ridiculous. I bet the LI parents would call BS on the Fall Autumn Classic and wouldn't show - CRABS parents need to adopt some of that machismo and tell RM to shove his fall tournament schedule and demand a better line-up. Especially for the 2018 and 2019 classes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]If you are a CRABS parent of an uncommitted player, you have to be anything but thrilled with the recruiting tournaments your son is in this fall. The Famous Autumn Classic. Really, the Famous Autumn Classic. Famous for being a terrible tournament even for the youth teams. This is the same weekend that all the other respected clubs will be in Philly or at the BIG 12 in MD. If you don't think it is a joke, check out this first rate line-up;

CONFIRMED PROGRAMS FOR 2015:

2017 - Crabs, VLC, API Select, EDGE, Breakers

2018 - Crabs, VLC, Elev8, EDGE, Breakers

2019 - Carolina Cannons, Crabs, VLC, Elev8, Elevation, Breakers

So why would this happen....oh wait, this is a CRABS run tournament. I guess CRABS play in the best tournaments if they don't hav etheir own 3rd rate tournament going on. What a shame. Freshman and sophomore CRABS parents, better ask for advice from older CRABS parents on how to navigate the recruiting game, because it seems that CRABS have changed from quality to the hunt for $$$ and so-so competition. GOOD luck! But hey, if this doesn't get it I am sure the Towson tournament will work out for you.

The NLF is a year removed from taking over. Look at the recruiting event the NLF just announced in conjunction with IMG in Florida in January. The NLF, NXT and 3d will control youth lacrosse entirely very soon.

I agree this is a bad tournament but please put the rest of the Crabs fall line up on here so we all can agree or disagree with you.
I think the Madlax 2019 Cap. team has the best Fall line up for sure.

Let me help you on that one...Crabs owner has very efficiently and very effectively alienated a lot of lacrosse people and it is now at a point where he needs help...hence this NLF garbage.

West Coast Starz, Denver Elite, LB3 (never come again), Madlax, Blackwolf (rare), or even the LI Sting/Express/91s (less and less). A prior poster is right, your club can koin the NLF, NXT, Adrenaline or 3D confederations or get shut out.

Parents can relax a little bit though...even if the tournaments are awful Crabs and other clubs can still place kids. The cronyism is such that 9th graders who didn't belong on a public school varsity team last year are committing to major programs in summer or fall of soph year. The number of kids going to top programs who aren't top players is increasing because club owners and coaches control the inventory of kids since recruiting happens so young.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me help you on that one...Crabs owner has very efficiently and very effectively alienated a lot of lacrosse people and it is now at a point where he needs help...hence this NLF garbage.

West Coast Starz, Denver Elite, LB3 (never come again), Madlax, Blackwolf (rare), or even the LI Sting/Express/91s (less and less). A prior poster is right, your club can koin the NLF, NXT, Adrenaline or 3D confederations or get shut out.

Parents can relax a little bit though...even if the tournaments are awful Crabs and other clubs can still place kids. The cronyism is such that 9th graders who didn't belong on a public school varsity team last year are committing to major programs in summer or fall of soph year. The number of kids going to top programs who aren't top players is increasing because club owners and coaches control the inventory of kids since recruiting happens so young.

I am on board with the first 2/3 of this post. But this new system of getting players so young is still so new you can not say one way or another if it is working or not. Can anyone name a D1 kid who is a soph. or higher in college who verbaled to that school in his Freshman or sophomore year of high school? I think in 5 years you can start to have numbers to prove early recruiting is a bust or the right way to do it. I am thinking it will prove to be a bust but the numbers are not there yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]If you are a CRABS parent of an uncommitted player, you have to be anything but thrilled with the recruiting tournaments your son is in this fall. The Famous Autumn Classic. Really, the Famous Autumn Classic. Famous for being a terrible tournament even for the youth teams. This is the same weekend that all the other respected clubs will be in Philly or at the BIG 12 in MD. If you don't think it is a joke, check out this first rate line-up;

CONFIRMED PROGRAMS FOR 2015:

2017 - Crabs, VLC, API Select, EDGE, Breakers

2018 - Crabs, VLC, Elev8, EDGE, Breakers

2019 - Carolina Cannons, Crabs, VLC, Elev8, Elevation, Breakers

So why would this happen....oh wait, this is a CRABS run tournament. I guess CRABS play in the best tournaments if they don't hav etheir own 3rd rate tournament going on. What a shame. Freshman and sophomore CRABS parents, better ask for advice from older CRABS parents on how to navigate the recruiting game, because it seems that CRABS have changed from quality to the hunt for $$$ and so-so competition. GOOD luck! But hey, if this doesn't get it I am sure the Towson tournament will work out for you.

The NLF is a year removed from taking over. Look at the recruiting event the NLF just announced in conjunction with IMG in Florida in January. The NLF, NXT and 3d will control youth lacrosse entirely very soon.

I agree this is a bad tournament but please put the rest of the Crabs fall line up on here so we all can agree or disagree with you.
I think the Madlax 2019 Cap. team has the best Fall line up for sure.

The 2020's could have gotten into the Rising Sons event but now they can't. It has Express, 91, fca, Looney's, Hawks, Legacy, Mesa. WTH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]If you are a CRABS parent of an uncommitted player, you have to be anything but thrilled with the recruiting tournaments your son is in this fall. The Famous Autumn Classic. Really, the Famous Autumn Classic. Famous for being a terrible tournament even for the youth teams. This is the same weekend that all the other respected clubs will be in Philly or at the BIG 12 in MD. If you don't think it is a joke, check out this first rate line-up;

CONFIRMED PROGRAMS FOR 2015:

2017 - Crabs, VLC, API Select, EDGE, Breakers

2018 - Crabs, VLC, Elev8, EDGE, Breakers

2019 - Carolina Cannons, Crabs, VLC, Elev8, Elevation, Breakers

So why would this happen....oh wait, this is a CRABS run tournament. I guess CRABS play in the best tournaments if they don't hav etheir own 3rd rate tournament going on. What a shame. Freshman and sophomore CRABS parents, better ask for advice from older CRABS parents on how to navigate the recruiting game, because it seems that CRABS have changed from quality to the hunt for $$$ and so-so competition. GOOD luck! But hey, if this doesn't get it I am sure the Towson tournament will work out for you.

The NLF is a year removed from taking over. Look at the recruiting event the NLF just announced in conjunction with IMG in Florida in January. The NLF, NXT and 3d will control youth lacrosse entirely very soon.

I agree this is a bad tournament but please put the rest of the Crabs fall line up on here so we all can agree or disagree with you.
I think the Madlax 2019 Cap. team has the best Fall line up for sure.

The 2020's could have gotten into the Rising Sons event but now they can't. It has Express, 91, fca, Looney's, Hawks, Legacy, Mesa. WTH

Did looneys just join?

Of course. It was closed to everyone else but looneys tourney fell threw. They call tad and you know the rest.

Also, that's some good teams. Crabs trying to avoid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also, that's some good teams. Crabs trying to avoid

This is a good point. With this fall schedule, have the CRABS started ducking the better competition? Their HS teams may still be in the top 7 teams or so, but their youth teams are a major drop off. The 2021 an 2022 teams didn't win a single tournament last - heck, they didn't even make the finals in any. If they can't win any tournaments with the better clubs, they must have adopted the Mayweather fighting strategy - duck, bob, weave and run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course. It was closed to everyone else but looneys tourney fell threw. They call tad and you know the rest.

So Looneys 2020 bailing on Autumn Classic?

I am 22. , can I try out for 2020?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am 22. , can I try out for 2020?

Get real...You have been heldback/reclassified 7 times...Crabs only allow 20 year olds on the 2020 team. They have a limit of 5 years being held back...They do have some ethics you know..

2020 Hawks scrimmaging MadLax Sunday at Landon. Will be interesting to see the make up of both teams.

Scrub vs. Scrub

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course. It was closed to everyone else but looneys tourney fell threw. They call tad and you know the rest.

Whose Tad?

Well, not to sound snarky, but I've been to most of the rodeos in the recent couple years. Crabs, 3d, NXT, UPlax, Terrapin, those Autumn classic whatevers at Towson or Goucher or Kent Island...and at EVERY SINGLE ONE of these tournaments we get an email the next week asking us to buy film or whatever. Then the clubs and events guys brag about how over 120 college coaches attended. If there were 120 coaches at Uplax or at Famous Autumn or the fl$ in 3d thing then 100+ of them must have been hiding behind trees.

This club lacrosse thing is the greatest carnival barking rake since PT Barnum's day. Yeah sure, Crabs are a special club. Ok, they have good teams and all but the reason why their kids get committed has nothing to do with going to these tournaments. Getting your kid into these club organizations buys access to their advocacy and phone call campaign to place players to college coaches who have a bias toward name lacrosse clubs. If your sons play for 20 minutes two times or never play a minute in front of a college coach doesn't really matter at all. At least this hypocrisy favors Crabs parents, and that alone is the best reason to defend it and keep paying for it. It works at that level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scrub vs. Scrub

Hawks 2020 (#2 in NPYLL) vs. Madlax 2020 (#6 in NPYLL).

Only the #1 team in NPYLL is not a Scrub?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a CRABS parent of an uncommitted player, you have to be anything but thrilled with the recruiting tournaments your son is in this fall. The Famous Autumn Classic. Really, the Famous Autumn Classic. Famous for being a terrible tournament even for the youth teams. This is the same weekend that all the other respected clubs will be in Philly or at the BIG 12 in MD. If you don't think it is a joke, check out this first rate line-up;

CONFIRMED PROGRAMS FOR 2015:

2017 - Crabs, VLC, API Select, EDGE, Breakers

2018 - Crabs, VLC, Elev8, EDGE, Breakers

2019 - Carolina Cannons, Crabs, VLC, Elev8, Elevation, Breakers

So why would this happen....oh wait, this is a CRABS run tournament. I guess CRABS play in the best tournaments if they don't hav etheir own 3rd rate tournament going on. What a shame. Freshman and sophomore CRABS parents, better ask for advice from older CRABS parents on how to navigate the recruiting game, because it seems that CRABS have changed from quality to the hunt for $$$ and so-so competition. GOOD luck! But hey, if this doesn't get it I am sure the Towson tournament will work out for you.

Hey. You hate/envy the Crabs. We get it.

While most people would agree that the NXT Philly Fall Showcases get a ton of coaches and are better events than the Famous Autumn Classic, FAS had a lot of coaches last year. Everyone who plays for the Crabs gets plenty of looks and they play in the best events, including the Crabs' own Crabfeast.

Lots of clubs have their own clubs play in their own their own tournaments. Look at Madlax. They make their teams play in those terrible tournaments in the middle of nowhere against terrible competition in front of absolutely nobody.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scrub vs. Scrub

Hawks 2020 (#2 in NPYLL) vs. Madlax 2020 (#6 in NPYLL).

Only the #1 team in NPYLL is not a Scrub?

Hawks 202 beat Madlax 2020 at Young Guns by 1 goal. Madlax had them beat, but let them back in late in the 2nd half. Was Madlax Nationals team, but essentially the Capital team. I imagine both teams have some new horses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scrub vs. Scrub

Hawks 2020 (#2 in NPYLL) vs. Madlax 2020 (#6 in NPYLL).

Only the #1 team in NPYLL is not a Scrub?

Hawks 202 beat Madlax 2020 at Young Guns by 1 goal. Madlax had them beat, but let them back in late in the 2nd half. Was Madlax Nationals team, but essentially the Capital team. I imagine both teams have some new horses.

Madlax 2020 got pummeled in the NPYLL last year. Neither team is that great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a CRABS parent of an uncommitted player, you have to be anything but thrilled with the recruiting tournaments your son is in this fall. The Famous Autumn Classic. Really, the Famous Autumn Classic. Famous for being a terrible tournament even for the youth teams. This is the same weekend that all the other respected clubs will be in Philly or at the BIG 12 in MD. If you don't think it is a joke, check out this first rate line-up;

CONFIRMED PROGRAMS FOR 2015:

2017 - Crabs, VLC, API Select, EDGE, Breakers

2018 - Crabs, VLC, Elev8, EDGE, Breakers

2019 - Carolina Cannons, Crabs, VLC, Elev8, Elevation, Breakers

So why would this happen....oh wait, this is a CRABS run tournament. I guess CRABS play in the best tournaments if they don't hav etheir own 3rd rate tournament going on. What a shame. Freshman and sophomore CRABS parents, better ask for advice from older CRABS parents on how to navigate the recruiting game, because it seems that CRABS have changed from quality to the hunt for $$$ and so-so competition. GOOD luck! But hey, if this doesn't get it I am sure the Towson tournament will work out for you.

Hey. You hate/envy the Crabs. We get it.

While most people would agree that the NXT Philly Fall Showcases get a ton of coaches and are better events than the Famous Autumn Classic, FAS had a lot of coaches last year. Everyone who plays for the Crabs gets plenty of looks and they play in the best events, including the Crabs' own Crabfeast.

Lots of clubs have their own clubs play in their own their own tournaments. Look at Madlax. They make their teams play in those terrible tournaments in the middle of nowhere against terrible competition in front of absolutely nobody.

That is wrong again they make there 2020 and yonger play in them. The top 2019 teams and older play in the best of the best. And we know they are looking earlier and earlier at kids the 2020 starts this summer not this fall. The youngest age is still 2019 for what the colleges are looking at.

Scrub v Scrub? Neither team is that great? You are an idiot. Hawks was #2 in NYPLL and went toe to toe with Team Fat Crab Daddy Holdback in the championship game. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scrub vs. Scrub

Hawks 2020 (#2 in NPYLL) vs. Madlax 2020 (#6 in NPYLL).

Only the #1 team in NPYLL is not a Scrub?

Hawks 202 beat Madlax 2020 at Young Guns by 1 goal. Madlax had them beat, but let them back in late in the 2nd half. Was Madlax Nationals team, but essentially the Capital team. I imagine both teams have some new horses.

Madlax 2020 got pummeled in the NPYLL last year. Neither team is that great.

Can you list the teams that are 2020 and not scrubs?

It shouldn't take long. There can possibly be only 3 or 4 teams on the list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a CRABS parent of an uncommitted player, you have to be anything but thrilled with the recruiting tournaments your son is in this fall. The Famous Autumn Classic. Really, the Famous Autumn Classic. Famous for being a terrible tournament even for the youth teams. This is the same weekend that all the other respected clubs will be in Philly or at the BIG 12 in MD. If you don't think it is a joke, check out this first rate line-up;

CONFIRMED PROGRAMS FOR 2015:

2017 - Crabs, VLC, API Select, EDGE, Breakers

2018 - Crabs, VLC, Elev8, EDGE, Breakers

2019 - Carolina Cannons, Crabs, VLC, Elev8, Elevation, Breakers

So why would this happen....oh wait, this is a CRABS run tournament. I guess CRABS play in the best tournaments if they don't hav etheir own 3rd rate tournament going on. What a shame. Freshman and sophomore CRABS parents, better ask for advice from older CRABS parents on how to navigate the recruiting game, because it seems that CRABS have changed from quality to the hunt for $$$ and so-so competition. GOOD luck! But hey, if this doesn't get it I am sure the Towson tournament will work out for you.

Hey. You hate/envy the Crabs. We get it.

While most people would agree that the NXT Philly Fall Showcases get a ton of coaches and are better events than the Famous Autumn Classic, FAS had a lot of coaches last year. Everyone who plays for the Crabs gets plenty of looks and they play in the best events, including the Crabs' own Crabfeast.

Lots of clubs have their own clubs play in their own their own tournaments. Look at Madlax. They make their teams play in those terrible tournaments in the middle of nowhere against terrible competition in front of absolutely nobody.

That is wrong again they make there 2020 and yonger play in them. The top 2019 teams and older play in the best of the best. And we know they are looking earlier and earlier at kids the 2020 starts this summer not this fall. The youngest age is still 2019 for what the colleges are looking at.

Yes, he only forces his youth teams to play on that terrible field because his HS parents complained for years that his tournaments are a waste of time especially for recruiting.

Is it possible you could get a spellchecker or ask someone to proofread your posts? The number of typos and grammatical mistakes you make in every post gives everyone a headache.

It would be easier to decipher Arabic

[quote=Anonymous]Scrub v Scrub? Neither team is that great? You are an idiot. Hawks was #2 in NYPLL and went toe to toe with Team Fat Crab Daddy Holdback in the championship game. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Dream on wannabe....correction, scrub

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a CRABS parent of an uncommitted player, you have to be anything but thrilled with the recruiting tournaments your son is in this fall. The Famous Autumn Classic. Really, the Famous Autumn Classic. Famous for being a terrible tournament even for the youth teams. This is the same weekend that all the other respected clubs will be in Philly or at the BIG 12 in MD. If you don't think it is a joke, check out this first rate line-up;

CONFIRMED PROGRAMS FOR 2015:

2017 - Crabs, VLC, API Select, EDGE, Breakers

2018 - Crabs, VLC, Elev8, EDGE, Breakers

2019 - Carolina Cannons, Crabs, VLC, Elev8, Elevation, Breakers

So why would this happen....oh wait, this is a CRABS run tournament. I guess CRABS play in the best tournaments if they don't hav etheir own 3rd rate tournament going on. What a shame. Freshman and sophomore CRABS parents, better ask for advice from older CRABS parents on how to navigate the recruiting game, because it seems that CRABS have changed from quality to the hunt for $$$ and so-so competition. GOOD luck! But hey, if this doesn't get it I am sure the Towson tournament will work out for you.

Hey. You hate/envy the Crabs. We get it.

While most people would agree that the NXT Philly Fall Showcases get a ton of coaches and are better events than the Famous Autumn Classic, FAS had a lot of coaches last year. Everyone who plays for the Crabs gets plenty of looks and they play in the best events, including the Crabs' own Crabfeast.

Lots of clubs have their own clubs play in their own their own tournaments. Look at Madlax. They make their teams play in those terrible tournaments in the middle of nowhere against terrible competition in front of absolutely nobody.

That is wrong again they make there 2020 and yonger play in them. The top 2019 teams and older play in the best of the best. And we know they are looking earlier and earlier at kids the 2020 starts this summer not this fall. The youngest age is still 2019 for what the colleges are looking at.

Yes, he only forces his youth teams to play on that terrible field because his HS parents complained for years that his tournaments are a waste of time especially for recruiting.

Is it possible you could get a spellchecker or ask someone to proofread your posts? The number of typos and grammatical mistakes you make in every post gives everyone a headache.

Sorry trying to answer questions and not get caught by my boss on a Lacrosse sight talking S about kids lacrosse. And you are correct I am not college educated. But one thing I do know is sports and Lacrosse. Sorry I am not a Ivy league grad.

With the exception of T91 2020 who is clearly in a different league - Crabs, Hawks, Breakers (T91 MD) and Loonies can compete and beat any team out there

With the upgrades to the Crabs 2020, I do not think you will see a game like that televised game again. Yes, some are hold backs that are repeating 8th grade but they got upgrades at LSM, G, and MF. They will be a much more athletic presence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Scrub v Scrub? Neither team is that great? You are an idiot. Hawks was #2 in NYPLL and went toe to toe with Team Fat Crab Daddy Holdback in the championship game. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Dream on wannabe....correction, scrub

Again, please list all the 2020 teams that are NOT scrubs....or are you just an ignorant hater?

The upgrades on the Crabs 2020 team are holdbacks plus they already had holdbacks playing. At least a third of their team should currently be in high school. There are a few players repeating 8th grade now and a few others who have already repeated a grade.

Sounds like a lot of 7th and 8th grade parents are drinking the Ryan McClernan brewed and spiked Kool Aid. If you think some college coach watching a 20 minute running half of middle school club lacrosse at an NLF or Crabs or an NXT event is a game changer, you are mistaken. Approximately 100% of colleges attending these kiddiepalooza lacrosse tournaments are there for two reasons: 1. to sign in to say "Joe was here!", and 2. do #1 in order to get from Ryan McClernan and other tournament directors your email addresses from the tournament registry. This creates a cross reliance between NCAA coaches ad club coaches with your credit cards in the middle, and that is exactly where Ryan McClernan wants you for 2,3 or 4 years of pony rides and lacrosse merry go rounds.

With your email addresses, those nice "we noticed you at Crab Fiesta" emails come inviting you to expensive college camps and prospect days. The term in the trade is to help you gather "the illusion of being recruited" so you will stay on the juice for a few years going to all these events. Somehow in all this mess Ryan, Cabell, Trig, Langley, etc etc decided already which players he will steer to colleges first and attend to that. Here's some free financial advice to you folks if you haven't purchased or bargained the club people's focus and advocacy before these stupid tournaments get going then be reflective about the fact you are only a paid participant and hopefully your son is enjoying it along the way. The sooner you understand that being a good lacrosse player on a top team has little to nothing to do with being a recruit, the more informed and better off you will be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a lot of 7th and 8th grade parents are drinking the Ryan McClernan brewed and spiked Kool Aid. If you think some college coach watching a 20 minute running half of middle school club lacrosse at an NLF or Crabs or an NXT event is a game changer, you are mistaken. Approximately 100% of colleges attending these kiddiepalooza lacrosse tournaments are there for two reasons: 1. to sign in to say "Joe was here!", and 2. do #1 in order to get from Ryan McClernan and other tournament directors your email addresses from the tournament registry. This creates a cross reliance between NCAA coaches ad club coaches with your credit cards in the middle, and that is exactly where Ryan McClernan wants you for 2,3 or 4 years of pony rides and lacrosse merry go rounds.

With your email addresses, those nice "we noticed you at Crab Fiesta" emails come inviting you to expensive college camps and prospect days. The term in the trade is to help you gather "the illusion of being recruited" so you will stay on the juice for a few years going to all these events. Somehow in all this mess Ryan, Cabell, Trig, Langley, etc etc decided already which players he will steer to colleges first and attend to that. Here's some free financial advice to you folks if you haven't purchased or bargained the club people's focus and advocacy before these stupid tournaments get going then be reflective about the fact you are only a paid participant and hopefully your son is enjoying it along the way. The sooner you understand that being a good lacrosse player on a top team has little to nothing to do with being a recruit, the more informed and better off you will be.

Sorry the Crabs rejected your son. Keep tilting at windmills.

The NYPLL 2020 looks competitive Crabs looney's legacy LI Edge and a few others.

Sorry the Crabs rejected my son? He played for another club and did just fine. Keep those 2020 dreams alive in the NPYLL league. Sounds like Ryan has you and your ATM card right where he wants them. That was just down free advice from a parent that has been to a few rodeos, and is likely the only lacrosse related freebie you're gonna get. Enjoy the ride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry the Crabs rejected my son? He played for another club and did just fine. Keep those 2020 dreams alive in the NPYLL league. Sounds like Ryan has you and your ATM card right where he wants them. That was just down free advice from a parent that has been to a few rodeos, and is likely the only lacrosse related freebie you're gonna get. Enjoy the ride.

You just said that your son played for another club and did just fine, so clearly you "paid to play" as well. If you have really been to a few rodeos, you'll certainly know that club lacrosse is a necessity - like it or not - to assist in the recruiting process nowadays. Of course, you can be a HS lax standout and possibly get recruited, but it is much more unlikely. Besides that, the level of talent/play and coaching is much higher with the top clubs in the MD area than in rec or HS ball - that's a simple fact. NPYLL is the top spring youth league with the top teams in the area - again, another simple fact whether you like it or not. But of course you already know that, since you're an old pro... ;-)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a lot of 7th and 8th grade parents are drinking the Ryan McClernan brewed and spiked Kool Aid. If you think some college coach watching a 20 minute running half of middle school club lacrosse at an NLF or Crabs or an NXT event is a game changer, you are mistaken. Approximately 100% of colleges attending these kiddiepalooza lacrosse tournaments are there for two reasons: 1. to sign in to say "Joe was here!", and 2. do #1 in order to get from Ryan McClernan and other tournament directors your email addresses from the tournament registry. This creates a cross reliance between NCAA coaches ad club coaches with your credit cards in the middle, and that is exactly where Ryan McClernan wants you for 2,3 or 4 years of pony rides and lacrosse merry go rounds.

With your email addresses, those nice "we noticed you at Crab Fiesta" emails come inviting you to expensive college camps and prospect days. The term in the trade is to help you gather "the illusion of being recruited" so you will stay on the juice for a few years going to all these events. Somehow in all this mess Ryan, Cabell, Trig, Langley, etc etc decided already which players he will steer to colleges first and attend to that. Here's some free financial advice to you folks if you haven't purchased or bargained the club people's focus and advocacy before these stupid tournaments get going then be reflective about the fact you are only a paid participant and hopefully your son is enjoying it along the way. The sooner you understand that being a good lacrosse player on a top team has little to nothing to do with being a recruit, the more informed and better off you will be.

Interesting you single out McClernan as if his is the only club that is "spiking the Kool Aid" as you put it.

I'm not sure what rodeos you attended, but college coaches can't contact players directly as you suggest. No, your son isn't going to get a direct email from coaches. Also, do you think it makes ANY SENSE for college coaches/assistants to attend tournaments to simply gather email addresses? All the time, expense, etc. they could use for other things? Use common sense, please. Nobody is going to showcases and tournaments to simply collect emails.

I will agree that the club coach is the conduit between your son and college. Does it have to be that way? NO. Your son or yourself could certainly reach out to xyz college coach with your resume and highlight tape, and hope for the best. OR, the club coach can be your advocate. There is an underlyign presumption that club coaches have some lax acumen, and are able to judge talent at some level. So yes, lax pedigree and the club you play for does make a difference. Of course there will be outliers, but in GENERAL you join the clubs that will give exposure. Better competition, better level of play ... the old adage iron sharpens iron. If your son's goal is to play Div 1 ball, they need to be seen competing against kids in the same skill level. I've never met a college coach that didn't ask 1) where do you play club and 2) high school? They're not asking to make small talk; they're asking to get a general sense if your 65 points is impressive or simply a function of the level of competition your son was playing.

Take Crabs out of the equation. Your son wants to be recruited to play, it is the player's responsibility to get the ball rolling. In GENERAL:

1) Resume
2) Highlight tape
3) List of schools, proactively contact coaches with 1 and 2 indicating interest
4) Email coaches the tournaments/showcases you plan on playing. The more specific the better (i.e. field 5 vs. Team 91 vs. playing in xyz Fall tourney)
5) Coordinate with club coach on feedback, etc. and hope that you impressed. Cause yes, the coaches are watching - but they're watching the kids that did all the steps above first.

I don't agree with the early recruiting phenomenon, but that is the nature of the beast at the moment. It will be seen if the trend continues over the next few years as the early commits enter college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a lot of 7th and 8th grade parents are drinking the Ryan McClernan brewed and spiked Kool Aid. If you think some college coach watching a 20 minute running half of middle school club lacrosse at an NLF or Crabs or an NXT event is a game changer, you are mistaken. Approximately 100% of colleges attending these kiddiepalooza lacrosse tournaments are there for two reasons: 1. to sign in to say "Joe was here!", and 2. do #1 in order to get from Ryan McClernan and other tournament directors your email addresses from the tournament registry. This creates a cross reliance between NCAA coaches ad club coaches with your credit cards in the middle, and that is exactly where Ryan McClernan wants you for 2,3 or 4 years of pony rides and lacrosse merry go rounds.

With your email addresses, those nice "we noticed you at Crab Fiesta" emails come inviting you to expensive college camps and prospect days. The term in the trade is to help you gather "the illusion of being recruited" so you will stay on the juice for a few years going to all these events. Somehow in all this mess Ryan, Cabell, Trig, Langley, etc etc decided already which players he will steer to colleges first and attend to that. Here's some free financial advice to you folks if you haven't purchased or bargained the club people's focus and advocacy before these stupid tournaments get going then be reflective about the fact you are only a paid participant and hopefully your son is enjoying it along the way. The sooner you understand that being a good lacrosse player on a top team has little to nothing to do with being a recruit, the more informed and better off you will be.

Sorry the Crabs rejected your son. Keep tilting at windmills.

Was last years top college recruit a Crab? The answer is NO! How many crabs made the national team?

Well, some pretty dug in Crabs dads out on the 'ole internet today. My son played at an Ivy and didn't play club lacrosse save for summers, and not for Crabs, and played on a Maryland public school high school team. He was a very good student and quite honestly was likely the last recruit in his class, and that he was such a great student and had a high AI which brought the AI average for the recruiting class up, he was most welcomed by the coaches as a junior...which was "too late". You don't need to do the list of must do's pounded into stone and carried down the mountain from your club lacrosse coach. I pick on Ryan McClernan for selling this lunacy to parents, and the only place where that is unfair is he is in a herd of all the same guy doing it to club lacrosse parents all over now.

But don't listen to me. I am not an expert. My son was not an early recruit. My son was not IL or RR ranked as a recruit. We didn't go or get invited to Jake Reed. But he did play a lot and had a great time in his college academic and athletic career, and now he is in a very good graduate school program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, some pretty dug in Crabs dads out on the 'ole internet today. My son played at an Ivy and didn't play club lacrosse save for summers, and not for Crabs, and played on a Maryland public school high school team. He was a very good student and quite honestly was likely the last recruit in his class, and that he was such a great student and had a high AI which brought the AI average for the recruiting class up, he was most welcomed by the coaches as a junior...which was "too late". You don't need to do the list of must do's pounded into stone and carried down the mountain from your club lacrosse coach. I pick on Ryan McClernan for selling this lunacy to parents, and the only place where that is unfair is he is in a herd of all the same guy doing it to club lacrosse parents all over now.

But don't listen to me. I am not an expert. My son was not an early recruit. My son was not IL or RR ranked as a recruit. We didn't go or get invited to Jake Reed. But he did play a lot and had a great time in his college academic and athletic career, and now he is in a very good graduate school program

At least you admit you're not an expert. I'd call your situation a one-off at best - your son had grades to make Ivy and was lucky enough to squeak in as a lacrosse player also, which is great for him. I'm not a Crabs dad, but I am a club parent, and what I will say, I think everyone else is saying is, you CAN do it without club, but why would you unless your son simply doesn't like playing club? Whether it be Crabs, Hawks, VLC, Breakers, 91, Madlax, etc. - if your kid likes playing a lot and at a high level, and you can afford it, why NOT get better coaching, recruiting help, etc.? I don't think McLearnan is selling any BS, and neither are the others. The FACT is that the process begins earlier now - the "real" top lacrosse schools (UNC, Duke, Maryland, Hopkins, Syracuse) begin their recruiting process much earlier now - in 8th grade. There would not be a spot for your son to play lax at one of those schools, but of course there would be at a Dartmouth - it's simply just not the same level of lacrosse play. I just can't understand why you and others knock clubs and parents and kids who want to play club - if we can afford it and the boys want to play, what business is it of anyone's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the exception of T91 2020 who is clearly in a different league - Crabs, Hawks, Breakers (T91 MD) and Loonies can compete and beat any team out there

Can't forget Express, FCA, And Sons

Take for what is worth, those were just my opinions. My other opinion is early recruiting can blow up and blow out as quickly as it came about in the recent couple of years. 8th graders should not be thinking about choosing a college, and lacrosse is a bad excuse to use to compel them to or to let a club lacrosse guy compel you to do as a parent. If your son is now a 2020 and he emerges as a star as a HS junior, he won't be the only one and I am sure the current state will unsettle to correct things so that top kids have great opportunities. That is just what I think and no guarantee, but I have a hard time believing coaches won't follow their best interests at all times. Have a little faith and emphasize that the best statistical chance a kid has to go to Hopkins is to be a STUDENT that they would admit without lacrosse.

Of course what I write doesn't comport with the recipe that club owners put your way to follow. I find it really disturbing to read that the keys to the kingdom are some fall tournament for 2020s where half interested coaches are watching 20 minute running halves of sloppy club fall ball. Sure, the coaches are there and watching and sure if your son stands out maybe you'll get a visit out of it...but I don't believe I am wrong to write that most of the recruiting determinations on what kids club owners are going to push have been made before the games are played and seen by the NCAA coaches. A friend of mine who was an assistant at Princeton before leaving last year for health reasons recently told me it is now the Wild West...coaches freely admit they know little to nothing about the young recruits and have no idea if these bets will be good ones or terrible ones in the next few years. But remember -- they can fix it by backing away from your son, changing the deal, suggesting you look at other options, etc. Believe me, it is already happening. Some kids local to you in Baltimore didn't get into the Ivy they "committed" to because later on the coach just didn't support the application. Easy out. It sucks, but just be aware and acknowledge it. And try to let your kids have some fun. Urge the fun side of it.

Hawks 2020 10-1 over MadLax today at Landon. Hawks have some new players including a face off kid. Tough D.

Madlax 2020 is also terrible.

Hawks 2019 over mad lax 7-5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2019 over mad lax 7-5

Madlax Orange?

Cabel screaming like a whittle baby on the sideline. Love to see that guy lose. He and Ryan are like peas in a pod.

That faceoff kid is going to give everyone trouble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That faceoff kid is going to give everyone trouble.

The Hawks 2020 face off kid is very good!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, some pretty dug in Crabs dads out on the 'ole internet today. My son played at an Ivy and didn't play club lacrosse save for summers, and not for Crabs, and played on a Maryland public school high school team. He was a very good student and quite honestly was likely the last recruit in his class, and that he was such a great student and had a high AI which brought the AI average for the recruiting class up, he was most welcomed by the coaches as a junior...which was "too late". You don't need to do the list of must do's pounded into stone and carried down the mountain from your club lacrosse coach. I pick on Ryan McClernan for selling this lunacy to parents, and the only place where that is unfair is he is in a herd of all the same guy doing it to club lacrosse parents all over now.

But don't listen to me. I am not an expert. My son was not an early recruit. My son was not IL or RR ranked as a recruit. We didn't go or get invited to Jake Reed. But he did play a lot and had a great time in his college academic and athletic career, and now he is in a very good graduate school program

Unfortunately the youth lacrosse scene has changed significantly since your son went through his youth programs. Club is really all that is left for competitive lacrosse, Tex doesn't offer that any longer. The travel rec player now was your in house kid 3 years ago.

What your son was able to accomplish through the roughy he took, wouldn't happen today. Rec programs today don't offer the level of play as club.

I wish the movement didn't go in the direction of club, I thought the Maryland rec lax programs weren't broken and were very competitive, but the movement went club and we are now stuck paying four times what we would be paying for rec lacrosse so our kids stay competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabel screaming like a whittle baby on the sideline. Love to see that guy lose. He and Ryan are like peas in a pod.

Nobody is a worse role model than the Madlax guy or is more disliked. He isbin a class all by himself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 is also terrible.

Break it down for us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2019 over mad lax 7-5

That is surprising but the Hawks always play Madlax well. Will they see each other again this Fall tournament schedule? Madlax added 7 new players and has a little larger roster this fall then normal. I would like to hear a better game break down?

Appeared to me in the 2020 game that Madlax was not as talented. Hawks faceoff guy had a yellow helmet which looked like a Crabs helmet without the decals. He was good - won the majority of FOs. Hawks's D was impressive - lots of turnovers. Not a great game for Madlax - they were overmatched. Their coach is yeller - wow!

Hawks 2020 will get tested at Philly Fall event at the Hill. Saw on instagram they play legacy, looney's and mesa. Ouch

Ouch - that is rough. Crabs there too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Appeared to me in the 2020 game that Madlax was not as talented. Hawks faceoff guy had a yellow helmet which looked like a Crabs helmet without the decals. He was good - won the majority of FOs. Hawks's D was impressive - lots of turnovers. Not a great game for Madlax - they were overmatched. Their coach is yeller - wow!

Break down the 2019 game also

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Appeared to me in the 2020 game that Madlax was not as talented. Hawks faceoff guy had a yellow helmet which looked like a Crabs helmet without the decals. He was good - won the majority of FOs. Hawks's D was impressive - lots of turnovers. Not a great game for Madlax - they were overmatched. Their coach is yeller - wow!

Break down the 2019 game also

No

Only saw the end of it - looked competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Appeared to me in the 2020 game that Madlax was not as talented. Hawks faceoff guy had a yellow helmet which looked like a Crabs helmet without the decals. He was good - won the majority of FOs. Hawks's D was impressive - lots of turnovers. Not a great game for Madlax - they were overmatched. Their coach is yeller - wow!

Break down the 2019 game also

No

This is your right as a USA citizen to say NO. Have a nice day and I hope your wife is nicer to you tonight and you can come back with a better attitude.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2019 over mad lax 7-5

That is surprising but the Hawks always play Madlax well. Will they see each other again this Fall tournament schedule? Madlax added 7 new players and has a little larger roster this fall then normal. I would like to hear a better game break down?

Madlax 2019 had several starters not present (Hopkins Commit/Attack and Maryland Commit/Midfield) and another out with injured knee. I think those 3 players are enough of an impact that the game would have been quite different score wise)... Hawks goalie was very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2019 over mad lax 7-5

That is surprising but the Hawks always play Madlax well. Will they see each other again this Fall tournament schedule? Madlax added 7 new players and has a little larger roster this fall then normal. I would like to hear a better game break down?

Madlax 2019 had several starters not present (Hopkins Commit/Attack and Maryland Commit/Midfield) and another out with injured knee. I think those 3 players are enough of an impact that the game would have been quite different score wise)... Hawks goalie was very good.

Everyone is missing guys in the fall due to injuries, etc. Stop making pathetic excuses.

Whatever, fact. Madlax was missing 1/2 its top guys-- committed kids, college visits, recruiting camps. Will be strong in November.
Nice job by Hawks, great effort in the win

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2019 over mad lax 7-5

That is surprising but the Hawks always play Madlax well. Will they see each other again this Fall tournament schedule? Madlax added 7 new players and has a little larger roster this fall then normal. I would like to hear a better game break down?

Madlax 2019 had several starters not present (Hopkins Commit/Attack and Maryland Commit/Midfield) and another out with injured knee. I think those 3 players are enough of an impact that the game would have been quite different score wise)... Hawks goalie was very good.

Everyone is missing guys in the fall due to injuries, etc. Stop making pathetic excuses.

I was asking for a break down. and he gave me one. Pathetic excuse is not fair or correct. All you had to do was stat the amount of players your team was down for this game. No one from the Madlax camp says the Hawks are a bad or not top club or team. I have never heard any Madlax person say they bad about the Hawks.

Fall results are never reliable. Guys are always hurt, doing other sports, out of town, etc. You can draw any conclusion from any game.

LOL at the Madlax dad for coming up with an excuse. If a team lost, they lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall results are never reliable. Guys are always hurt, doing other sports, out of town, etc. You can draw any conclusion from any game.

LOL at the Madlax dad for coming up with an excuse. If a team lost, they lost.

Summer is just as bad with guest players, national teams, and kids out for vacations. A win is a win and a loss is a loss regardless of when it happens. Stop with the excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall results are never reliable. Guys are always hurt, doing other sports, out of town, etc. You can draw any conclusion from any game.

LOL at the Madlax dad for coming up with an excuse. If a team lost, they lost.

Summer is just as bad with guest players, national teams, and kids out for vacations. A win is a win and a loss is a loss regardless of when it happens. Stop with the excuses.

My comment wasn't an excuse it was an opinion as was my opinion regarding the Hawks goalie - big kid with quick hands and who made great decisions with his passes. He played the entire game. The madlax starting goalie played the first half and sat the 2nd to allow a backup goalie playing time and experience. Madlax did lose. In my opinion they likely would have won with the 3 offensive horses that were not present. And if Hawks were missing key players and who would have been able to play then I have no opinion because I have no idea how good those players would be. My opinion based on watching the game and knowing the abilities of the missing Madlax players is that the result would have been very different all other things the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall results are never reliable. Guys are always hurt, doing other sports, out of town, etc. You can draw any conclusion from any game.

LOL at the Madlax dad for coming up with an excuse. If a team lost, they lost.

Summer is just as bad with guest players, national teams, and kids out for vacations. A win is a win and a loss is a loss regardless of when it happens. Stop with the excuses.

Correct sir and how many Hawks on the 2019 club Verbal to a D 1 school yet. Madlax 3 Hawks 0 a loss is a loss

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall results are never reliable. Guys are always hurt, doing other sports, out of town, etc. You can draw any conclusion from any game.

LOL at the Madlax dad for coming up with an excuse. If a team lost, they lost.

Summer is just as bad with guest players, national teams, and kids out for vacations. A win is a win and a loss is a loss regardless of when it happens. Stop with the excuses.

Correct sir and how many Hawks on the 2019 club Verbal to a D 1 school yet. Madlax 3 Hawks 0 a loss is a loss

Verbal agreement doesn't mean you made the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall results are never reliable. Guys are always hurt, doing other sports, out of town, etc. You can draw any conclusion from any game.

LOL at the Madlax dad for coming up with an excuse. If a team lost, they lost.

Summer is just as bad with guest players, national teams, and kids out for vacations. A win is a win and a loss is a loss regardless of when it happens. Stop with the excuses.

Correct sir and how many Hawks on the 2019 club Verbal to a D 1 school yet. Madlax 3 Hawks 0 a loss is a loss

Verbal agreement doesn't mean you made the team

I'd say it's better than a sharp stick in the eye, or at least better than not having a commitment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall results are never reliable. Guys are always hurt, doing other sports, out of town, etc. You can draw any conclusion from any game.

LOL at the Madlax dad for coming up with an excuse. If a team lost, they lost.

Summer is just as bad with guest players, national teams, and kids out for vacations. A win is a win and a loss is a loss regardless of when it happens. Stop with the excuses.

Correct sir and how many Hawks on the 2019 club Verbal to a D 1 school yet. Madlax 3 Hawks 0 a loss is a loss

Verbal agreement doesn't mean you made the team

I'd say it's better than a sharp stick in the eye, or at least better than not having a commitment.

Well because the rule says you can not sign tell you are older. And I bet the Madlax Parents and players will take 21 Verbals over 21 sunday scrimmage wins over the Hawks.

Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
1.All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
2.All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
3.All players must compete with their team on a regular basis. Players can not be added only to participate in the World Series.
4.No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
5.All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
6.All teams must carry between 18-24 players.
7.All players will be required to provide a copy of their birth certificate, proof of residency (report card or school identification card) and verification of health insurance that is accepted in the United States.
8.All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
9.Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.

Eligibility Rules - Canadian Teams
1.All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
2.No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
3.All players must reside within 200 miles of the home field of their program.
Put this in the Long Island thread and also wanted to enlighten the folks in Maryland and Virginia. These are the eligibility rules for the World Series of Lacrosse. Please note that the Canadian rules don't state a graduation year because typically children in Canada enter school a year earlier. Therefore when our boys say they are in grade nine and your's are in grade 8 that doesn't mean they are older by a year. Adrenaline lacrosse and in fact most tournaments acknowledge this. The Edge 2019 2020 teams heard lots of verbal commentary over this at the crabs and nscla event this summer but here's proff we weren't breaking any age rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
1.All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
2.All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
3.All players must compete with their team on a regular basis. Players can not be added only to participate in the World Series.
4.No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
5.All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
6.All teams must carry between 18-24 players.
7.All players will be required to provide a copy of their birth certificate, proof of residency (report card or school identification card) and verification of health insurance that is accepted in the United States.
8.All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
9.Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.

Eligibility Rules - Canadian Teams
1.All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
2.No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
3.All players must reside within 200 miles of the home field of their program.
Put this in the Long Island thread and also wanted to enlighten the folks in Maryland and Virginia. These are the eligibility rules for the World Series of Lacrosse. Please note that the Canadian rules don't state a graduation year because typically children in Canada enter school a year earlier. Therefore when our boys say they are in grade nine and your's are in grade 8 that doesn't mean they are older by a year. Adrenaline lacrosse and in fact most tournaments acknowledge this. The Edge 2019 2020 teams heard lots of verbal commentary over this at the crabs and nscla event this summer but here's proff we weren't breaking any age rules.

You are right, absolutely makes it ok

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
1.All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
2.All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
3.All players must compete with their team on a regular basis. Players can not be added only to participate in the World Series.
4.No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
5.All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
6.All teams must carry between 18-24 players.
7.All players will be required to provide a copy of their birth certificate, proof of residency (report card or school identification card) and verification of health insurance that is accepted in the United States.
8.All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
9.Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.

Eligibility Rules - Canadian Teams
1.All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
2.No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
3.All players must reside within 200 miles of the home field of their program.
Put this in the Long Island thread and also wanted to enlighten the folks in Maryland and Virginia. These are the eligibility rules for the World Series of Lacrosse. Please note that the Canadian rules don't state a graduation year because typically children in Canada enter school a year earlier. Therefore when our boys say they are in grade nine and your's are in grade 8 that doesn't mean they are older by a year. Adrenaline lacrosse and in fact most tournaments acknowledge this. The Edge 2019 2020 teams heard lots of verbal commentary over this at the crabs and nscla event this summer but here's proff we weren't breaking any age rules.

You are right, absolutely makes it ok

Finally - rules everyone can live with. This board will be awfully quiet not.

Crabs complaining about age - ha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall results are never reliable. Guys are always hurt, doing other sports, out of town, etc. You can draw any conclusion from any game.

LOL at the Madlax dad for coming up with an excuse. If a team lost, they lost.

Summer is just as bad with guest players, national teams, and kids out for vacations. A win is a win and a loss is a loss regardless of when it happens. Stop with the excuses.

Correct sir and how many Hawks on the 2019 club Verbal to a D 1 school yet. Madlax 3 Hawks 0 a loss is a loss

Verbal agreement doesn't mean you made the team

I'd say it's better than a sharp stick in the eye, or at least better than not having a commitment.

Well because the rule says you can not sign tell you are older. And I bet the Madlax Parents and players will take 21 Verbals over 21 sunday scrimmage wins over the Hawks.

Madlax parents are so weird. And they have more hold backs than the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
1.All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
2.All players must be in the Class of 2021 or later.
3.All players must compete with their team on a regular basis. Players can not be added only to participate in the World Series.
4.No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
5.All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program.
6.All teams must carry between 18-24 players.
7.All players will be required to provide a copy of their birth certificate, proof of residency (report card or school identification card) and verification of health insurance that is accepted in the United States.
8.All players must participate with their team/program on a regular basis. Players are not to be added only for the World Series.
9.Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.

Eligibility Rules - Canadian Teams
1.All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002.
2.No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
3.All players must reside within 200 miles of the home field of their program.
Put this in the Long Island thread and also wanted to enlighten the folks in Maryland and Virginia. These are the eligibility rules for the World Series of Lacrosse. Please note that the Canadian rules don't state a graduation year because typically children in Canada enter school a year earlier. Therefore when our boys say they are in grade nine and your's are in grade 8 that doesn't mean they are older by a year. Adrenaline lacrosse and in fact most tournaments acknowledge this. The Edge 2019 2020 teams heard lots of verbal commentary over this at the crabs and nscla event this summer but here's proff we weren't breaking any age rules.

the 2019 team says your players must be born in 2000. Our kids playing 2019 are mostly born in 2001 with the exception of Fall birthdays that make the cut on certain dates, not 2000. I did see you have a 2001 team- which matches up with our 2019 kids. Clearly, the birth ages are stretched along the way to accommodate the older kids in the older teams. I suspect all the issues you encountered might not have been unfounded.

If you are so sure that the US families are in the wrong, bring your birth certificates to prove that your kids are of the same age. It would be very simple and would shut down the accusers.

A generous cut off system like the one used at the WSYL would make all these issues go away and the sport would be that much better off.

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

The 2021 game was a blowout. Not sure what is going on down there in VA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

The 2021 game was a blowout. Not sure what is going on down there in VA.

I will tell you what is going on in VA, Everyone thinks they know more then the next guy. We only have talent for two top teams in Northern VA. So until the parents wise up and pick VLC or Madlax we will still be getting killed by the hotbed towns over and over again. The other clubs in Northern Va have 3 or 4 kids that should be playing High level lacrosse but the parents think they are smarter then the system. News flash you are not pick on of the top two programs and suck it up and make your kid earn a spot and playing time it will be better for him in the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

The 2021 game was a blowout. Not sure what is going on down there in VA.

Not necessary. Considering VLC Blue Crabs and Baltimore Crabs are under the same organizational ownership and we are "brother" clubs, let me try and answer the question a bit more appropriately. Crabs 2021 is definitely a bigger, stronger, and much more skilled and disciplined team than VLC 2021 - it was a blowout for sure, I lost count but VLC only scored one and Crabs were somewhere up in the 20s. VLC defense simply could not stick with Crabs offense, and the Crabs boys never quit moving, passing, cutting and shooting - at a ratio of probably 20-1 - VLC 2021 was outmatched for certain. Crabs 2021 is a very strong team, and Crabs 2020 is very likely going to be one of the top couple of teams in the country this year at 2020. The size, speed, skillset, and lax IQ on both teams is incredible, and they are going to come strong for sure - will be very difficult to beat.

Lets call a spade a spade - Crabs 2020 is going to be strong because it is full of 2019 holdbacks. Older kids repeating grades are going to be better than younger kids - no two ways about it.

I have convinced all the parents of my son's 2021 team to holdback their kids a year or two so we can beat up on the younger boys. It is going to be glorious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

The 2021 game was a blowout. Not sure what is going on down there in VA.

Not necessary. Considering VLC Blue Crabs and Baltimore Crabs are under the same organizational ownership and we are "brother" clubs, let me try and answer the question a bit more appropriately. Crabs 2021 is definitely a bigger, stronger, and much more skilled and disciplined team than VLC 2021 - it was a blowout for sure, I lost count but VLC only scored one and Crabs were somewhere up in the 20s. VLC defense simply could not stick with Crabs offense, and the Crabs boys never quit moving, passing, cutting and shooting - at a ratio of probably 20-1 - VLC 2021 was outmatched for certain. Crabs 2021 is a very strong team, and Crabs 2020 is very likely going to be one of the top couple of teams in the country this year at 2020. The size, speed, skillset, and lax IQ on both teams is incredible, and they are going to come strong for sure - will be very difficult to beat.

While I am not surprised at the outcome of the Crabs over the Blue Crabs 2021, I am somewhat surprised by the score difference if accurately reported. My son played the Crabs 2021 (and won) a couple of times last year and I watched them in several tournaments summer tournaments. They were an average team at best last year and could not picture them beating anyone by double digit goals. Either they got a lot of new very good players or they have new coaches - they did not seem nearly as athletic as other teams and played like they did not understand game situations just looking confused most of the time. Whatever the case, I hope they got better as it will make the bmore lacrosse season more fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

The 2021 game was a blowout. Not sure what is going on down there in VA.

Not necessary. Considering VLC Blue Crabs and Baltimore Crabs are under the same organizational ownership and we are "brother" clubs, let me try and answer the question a bit more appropriately. Crabs 2021 is definitely a bigger, stronger, and much more skilled and disciplined team than VLC 2021 - it was a blowout for sure, I lost count but VLC only scored one and Crabs were somewhere up in the 20s. VLC defense simply could not stick with Crabs offense, and the Crabs boys never quit moving, passing, cutting and shooting - at a ratio of probably 20-1 - VLC 2021 was outmatched for certain. Crabs 2021 is a very strong team, and Crabs 2020 is very likely going to be one of the top couple of teams in the country this year at 2020. The size, speed, skillset, and lax IQ on both teams is incredible, and they are going to come strong for sure - will be very difficult to beat.

While I am not surprised at the outcome of the Crabs over the Blue Crabs 2021, I am somewhat surprised by the score difference if accurately reported. My son played the Crabs 2021 (and won) a couple of times last year and I watched them in several tournaments summer tournaments. They were an average team at best last year and could not picture them beating anyone by double digit goals. Either they got a lot of new very good players or they have new coaches - they did not seem nearly as athletic as other teams and played like they did not understand game situations just looking confused most of the time. Whatever the case, I hope they got better as it will make the bmore lacrosse season more fun.

They got quite a few new kids. Coaches are different, but the 6th grade coaches at Crabs are fantastic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

The 2021 game was a blowout. Not sure what is going on down there in VA.

Not necessary. Considering VLC Blue Crabs and Baltimore Crabs are under the same organizational ownership and we are "brother" clubs, let me try and answer the question a bit more appropriately. Crabs 2021 is definitely a bigger, stronger, and much more skilled and disciplined team than VLC 2021 - it was a blowout for sure, I lost count but VLC only scored one and Crabs were somewhere up in the 20s. VLC defense simply could not stick with Crabs offense, and the Crabs boys never quit moving, passing, cutting and shooting - at a ratio of probably 20-1 - VLC 2021 was outmatched for certain. Crabs 2021 is a very strong team, and Crabs 2020 is very likely going to be one of the top couple of teams in the country this year at 2020. The size, speed, skillset, and lax IQ on both teams is incredible, and they are going to come strong for sure - will be very difficult to beat.

While I am not surprised at the outcome of the Crabs over the Blue Crabs 2021, I am somewhat surprised by the score difference if accurately reported. My son played the Crabs 2021 (and won) a couple of times last year and I watched them in several tournaments summer tournaments. They were an average team at best last year and could not picture them beating anyone by double digit goals. Either they got a lot of new very good players or they have new coaches - they did not seem nearly as athletic as other teams and played like they did not understand game situations just looking confused most of the time. Whatever the case, I hope they got better as it will make the bmore lacrosse season more fun.

They got quite a few new kids. Coaches are different, but the 6th grade coaches at Crabs are fantastic.

A few of the new 2021s were probably on the 2020 team last year - that's how they roll. Welcome to the Crab universe - bigger, stronger, faster, older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

The 2021 game was a blowout. Not sure what is going on down there in VA.

Not necessary. Considering VLC Blue Crabs and Baltimore Crabs are under the same organizational ownership and we are "brother" clubs, let me try and answer the question a bit more appropriately. Crabs 2021 is definitely a bigger, stronger, and much more skilled and disciplined team than VLC 2021 - it was a blowout for sure, I lost count but VLC only scored one and Crabs were somewhere up in the 20s. VLC defense simply could not stick with Crabs offense, and the Crabs boys never quit moving, passing, cutting and shooting - at a ratio of probably 20-1 - VLC 2021 was outmatched for certain. Crabs 2021 is a very strong team, and Crabs 2020 is very likely going to be one of the top couple of teams in the country this year at 2020. The size, speed, skillset, and lax IQ on both teams is incredible, and they are going to come strong for sure - will be very difficult to beat.

While I am not surprised at the outcome of the Crabs over the Blue Crabs 2021, I am somewhat surprised by the score difference if accurately reported. My son played the Crabs 2021 (and won) a couple of times last year and I watched them in several tournaments summer tournaments. They were an average team at best last year and could not picture them beating anyone by double digit goals. Either they got a lot of new very good players or they have new coaches - they did not seem nearly as athletic as other teams and played like they did not understand game situations just looking confused most of the time. Whatever the case, I hope they got better as it will make the bmore lacrosse season more fun.

They got quite a few new kids. Coaches are different, but the 6th grade coaches at Crabs are fantastic.

those coaches can't get over how mature the 14 year old are on that team!

The score reported is an exaggeration. Crabs 2021 won decisively, but they did not score anywhere near the 20s.

Crabs 2021 was not an average team last year at all and they have a lot of new faces this year. It will be a very good team.

VLC's 2021 team had some good talent but not enough to compete with a team like this. Since they don't have a U11 or U9 team, VLC's 7th grade team has to start with a lot of new parts.

Both Crabs 2020 and VLC 2020 have a lot of great players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The score reported is an exaggeration. Crabs 2021 won decisively, but they did not score anywhere near the 20s.

Crabs 2021 was not an average team last year at all and they have a lot of new faces this year. It will be a very good team.

VLC's 2021 team had some good talent but not enough to compete with a team like this. Since they don't have a U11 or U9 team, VLC's 7th grade team has to start with a lot of new parts.

Both Crabs 2020 and VLC 2020 have a lot of great players.

Yes, the Crabs 2021 team was average at best. Last fall they went 0-3 at McDonough. In their own fall Autumn Classic tournament they lost in the finals to Bethesda. In the summer, they got smashed at Beach Lax by other bmore teams like Koopers and Roughriders....haha, just terrible. Did not make finals. Got smashed at that crappy tournament held at McDonough by the Annapolis Hawks. Again, did not make the finals. Got beat by the Rising Sons at their own tournament. Again did not make the finals. So maybe you are right. Maybe they weren't average. Looks more like below average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The score reported is an exaggeration. Crabs 2021 won decisively, but they did not score anywhere near the 20s.

Crabs 2021 was not an average team last year at all and they have a lot of new faces this year. It will be a very good team.

VLC's 2021 team had some good talent but not enough to compete with a team like this. Since they don't have a U11 or U9 team, VLC's 7th grade team has to start with a lot of new parts.

Both Crabs 2020 and VLC 2020 have a lot of great players.

Yes, the Crabs 2021 team was average at best. Last fall they went 0-3 at McDonough. In their own fall Autumn Classic tournament they lost in the finals to Bethesda. In the summer, they got smashed at Beach Lax by other bmore teams like Koopers and Roughriders....haha, just terrible. Did not make finals. Got smashed at that crappy tournament held at McDonough by the Annapolis Hawks. Again, did not make the finals. Got beat by the Rising Sons at their own tournament. Again did not make the finals. So maybe you are right. Maybe they weren't average. Looks more like below average.

Crabs teams get better with age...As in the older the team...The much more older the players on the Crabs are then their competition.....They accumulate more and more holdbacks each new year...Just like wine they get better with age...

Crabs 2020 is full of 2019 Holdbacks. Please stop saying they have great players as if RM runs some spectacular organization. He runs an organization that has played a significant role in damaging youth lacrosse. If you can't beat em - holdback the older kids so they can beat em. Simply pathetic on so many levels....

The Crabs have been around a long time and have had a ton of great players. You can knock them for having reclassed kids, but their talent in every grade is always among the best.

If you are going to decry holdbacks, why only single out the Crabs? Clubs like Madlax actually have more reclassed kids than the Crabs.

Sounds like a dad that either has a son who can't make the Crabs or loses to the Crabs and needs an excuse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

The 2021 game was a blowout. Not sure what is going on down there in VA.

Not necessary. Considering VLC Blue Crabs and Baltimore Crabs are under the same organizational ownership and we are "brother" clubs, let me try and answer the question a bit more appropriately. Crabs 2021 is definitely a bigger, stronger, and much more skilled and disciplined team than VLC 2021 - it was a blowout for sure, I lost count but VLC only scored one and Crabs were somewhere up in the 20s. VLC defense simply could not stick with Crabs offense, and the Crabs boys never quit moving, passing, cutting and shooting - at a ratio of probably 20-1 - VLC 2021 was outmatched for certain. Crabs 2021 is a very strong team, and Crabs 2020 is very likely going to be one of the top couple of teams in the country this year at 2020. The size, speed, skillset, and lax IQ on both teams is incredible, and they are going to come strong for sure - will be very difficult to beat.

While I am not surprised at the outcome of the Crabs over the Blue Crabs 2021, I am somewhat surprised by the score difference if accurately reported. My son played the Crabs 2021 (and won) a couple of times last year and I watched them in several tournaments summer tournaments. They were an average team at best last year and could not picture them beating anyone by double digit goals. Either they got a lot of new very good players or they have new coaches - they did not seem nearly as athletic as other teams and played like they did not understand game situations just looking confused most of the time. Whatever the case, I hope they got better as it will make the bmore lacrosse season more fun.

They got quite a few new kids. Coaches are different, but the 6th grade coaches at Crabs are fantastic.

A few of the new 2021s were probably on the 2020 team last year - that's how they roll. Welcome to the Crab universe - bigger, stronger, faster, older.

Actually, none of them were. Nice try though. I guess it's inconceivable that someone would leave another program to play for Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs have been around a long time and have had a ton of great players. You can knock them for having reclassed kids, but their talent in every grade is always among the best.

If you are going to decry holdbacks, why only single out the Crabs? Clubs like Madlax actually have more reclassed kids than the Crabs.

Sounds like a dad that either has a son who can't make the Crabs or loses to the Crabs and needs an excuse.

I agree Madlax has reclass kids but there is no data base anywhere to compare teams and their ages.

There is anecdotal evidence. Madlax has a ton. So does FCA. So do the Dukes, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the VLC v Crabs showdown yesterday?

The 2021 game was a blowout. Not sure what is going on down there in VA.

Not necessary. Considering VLC Blue Crabs and Baltimore Crabs are under the same organizational ownership and we are "brother" clubs, let me try and answer the question a bit more appropriately. Crabs 2021 is definitely a bigger, stronger, and much more skilled and disciplined team than VLC 2021 - it was a blowout for sure, I lost count but VLC only scored one and Crabs were somewhere up in the 20s. VLC defense simply could not stick with Crabs offense, and the Crabs boys never quit moving, passing, cutting and shooting - at a ratio of probably 20-1 - VLC 2021 was outmatched for certain. Crabs 2021 is a very strong team, and Crabs 2020 is very likely going to be one of the top couple of teams in the country this year at 2020. The size, speed, skillset, and lax IQ on both teams is incredible, and they are going to come strong for sure - will be very difficult to beat.

While I am not surprised at the outcome of the Crabs over the Blue Crabs 2021, I am somewhat surprised by the score difference if accurately reported. My son played the Crabs 2021 (and won) a couple of times last year and I watched them in several tournaments summer tournaments. They were an average team at best last year and could not picture them beating anyone by double digit goals. Either they got a lot of new very good players or they have new coaches - they did not seem nearly as athletic as other teams and played like they did not understand game situations just looking confused most of the time. Whatever the case, I hope they got better as it will make the bmore lacrosse season more fun.

They got quite a few new kids. Coaches are different, but the 6th grade coaches at Crabs are fantastic.

A few of the new 2021s were probably on the 2020 team last year - that's how they roll. Welcome to the Crab universe - bigger, stronger, faster, older.

The holdback a will come after the spring season. They will filter down from 2020 to 2021 as the tournaments begin, just as they did this past spring/summer

Regardless of holdbacks/reclasses, I can tell you that the Crabs 2020 team is going to be very hard to beat this year. I was at both games, and the Crabs 2020 players are very big, very strong, very fast, and very skilled. The Crabs 2021 players are also big, strong, fast, and skilled for that grade level as well. VLC has a very solid and skilled 2020 team, and their 2021 team is solid also. As another poster mentioned, VLC begins at the 7th grade level, so their 2021 team is put together 3+ years after many other clubs have already been playing together. That is the difference you can see on the field - both Crabs and VLC have excellent players, but I'm telling you that Crabs 2020 and 2021 are going to be tough to beat this year - lots of new faces and upgrades, I cannot stress the size and speed enough - you need to see it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The score reported is an exaggeration. Crabs 2021 won decisively, but they did not score anywhere near the 20s.

Crabs 2021 was not an average team last year at all and they have a lot of new faces this year. It will be a very good team.

VLC's 2021 team had some good talent but not enough to compete with a team like this. Since they don't have a U11 or U9 team, VLC's 7th grade team has to start with a lot of new parts.

Both Crabs 2020 and VLC 2020 have a lot of great players.

Agree completely - both teams have a lot of excellent players. I don't think the score of the 2021 game quite reached 20, but it was definitely a double digit difference. Both teams played hard, and it was a good fun day with solid instruction.

The crabs 2020 teams are very big and very skilled because half of them are actually 2019s and in some cases 2018s. They are being singled out because NO OTHER youth lacrosse organization systematically pushes parents to reclassify their kids like the Crabs do. NO OTHER ORGANZATION. PERIOD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 teams are very big and very skilled because half of them are actually 2019s and in some cases 2018s. They are being singled out because NO OTHER youth lacrosse organization systematically pushes parents to reclassify their kids like the Crabs do. NO OTHER ORGANZATION. PERIOD.

I know several of those families and this is completely false. There are a couple of kids who reclassed, but nowhere near 50%, let alone anyone who was previously a 2018.

Hate them if you want, but that's a total lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 teams are very big and very skilled because half of them are actually 2019s and in some cases 2018s. They are being singled out because NO OTHER youth lacrosse organization systematically pushes parents to reclassify their kids like the Crabs do. NO OTHER ORGANZATION. PERIOD.

I know several of those families and this is completely false. There are a couple of kids who reclassed, but nowhere near 50%, let alone anyone who was previously a 2018.

Hate them if you want, but that's a total lie.

My son came home the other day and said his teammate on his 2019 team will be turning 16 in 2 months. He is a 2019 by rule but this kinda helps the people understand what people are dealing with. My son is 14.

where are crabs 2020s playing this fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

where are crabs 2020s playing this fall?

mens beer league

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The crabs 2020 teams are very big and very skilled because half of them are actually 2019s and in some cases 2018s. They are being singled out because NO OTHER youth lacrosse organization systematically pushes parents to reclassify their kids like the Crabs do. NO OTHER ORGANZATION. PERIOD.

I know several of those families and this is completely false. There are a couple of kids who reclassed, but nowhere near 50%, let alone anyone who was previously a 2018.

Three 2019s were added this year and the team already had 6-8 kids who were older playing the prior year. Pretty darn close to 50% or more of the team would be 2019 using the Maryland school cut off dates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regardless of holdbacks/reclasses, I can tell you that the Crabs 2020 team is going to be very hard to beat this year. I was at both games, and the Crabs 2020 players are very big, very strong, very fast, and very skilled. The Crabs 2021 players are also big, strong, fast, and skilled for that grade level as well. VLC has a very solid and skilled 2020 team, and their 2021 team is solid also. As another poster mentioned, VLC begins at the 7th grade level, so their 2021 team is put together 3+ years after many other clubs have already been playing together. That is the difference you can see on the field - both Crabs and VLC have excellent players, but I'm telling you that Crabs 2020 and 2021 are going to be tough to beat this year - lots of new faces and upgrades, I cannot stress the size and speed enough - you need to see it.

Size and speed - you get a lot of that with holdbacks. Crabs parents say "ignore the fact that they are holdbacks, look how good they are". Everyone says "of course they are good, they are playing against kids a year (or more) younger". SMH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 teams are very big and very skilled because half of them are actually 2019s and in some cases 2018s. They are being singled out because NO OTHER youth lacrosse organization systematically pushes parents to reclassify their kids like the Crabs do. NO OTHER ORGANZATION. PERIOD.

I know several of those families and this is completely false. There are a couple of kids who reclassed, but nowhere near 50%, let alone anyone who was previously a 2018.

Hate them if you want, but that's a total lie.

My son came home the other day and said his teammate on his 2019 team will be turning 16 in 2 months. He is a 2019 by rule but this kinda helps the people understand what people are dealing with. My son is 14.

what month is your son born in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crabs 2020 teams are very big and very skilled because half of them are actually 2019s and in some cases 2018s. They are being singled out because NO OTHER youth lacrosse organization systematically pushes parents to reclassify their kids like the Crabs do. NO OTHER ORGANZATION. PERIOD.

I know several of those families and this is completely false. There are a couple of kids who reclassed, but nowhere near 50%, let alone anyone who was previously a 2018.

you're delusional. this is totally true, most of the team is reclassed kids born in 2001 or 2000.

Hate them if you want, but that's a total lie.

Make yourself feel better by saying "most" of the kids on the Crabs 2020 are not Holdbacks. How many kids on 2019 last year are now on 2020? How many kids in the starting line up are Holdbacks?DELETED

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Make yourself feel better by saying "most" of the kids on the Crabs 2020 are not Holdbacks. How many kids on 2019 last year are now on 2020? How many kids in the starting line up are Holdbacks?DELETED

Most, many, half - I don't think the actual number matters. What matters is there are enough of them to significantly improve the performance of the team and give them an advantage over teams who are mostly on-age.

Yes, lots of teams have one or two holdbacks, or kids with summer birthdays. The difference is these few kids don't significantly alter the performance of the team. Crabs have made it SOP, just look at the nonsense at Beach Lax.

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It's too bad the Crabs organization does not realize they took what was once seen as one of the better club lacrosse programs in the country and ruined it (and youth lacrosse) by playing the holdback game. Other teams clearly have reclassified kids - but the Crabs take it to a whole new level. Sad for the on age kids and sad for the sport.

Crabs players causing issues on HS teams in Md...King Crab forcing kids to miss HS tournaments in the fall to play for Crabs or face expulsion from the program..."Come pay for my tournament instead of playing with your HS team". Bottom line, it's all about McClernan and Crabs, not the kids

USA Lacrosse should model its age classifications after USA Hockey and make it mandatory. It was not an advantage to hold kids back, parents would not do it.

Lacrosse used to be age based but went grade based. Go ahead and complain about it, but the barn door is already open.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs players causing issues on HS teams in Md...King Crab forcing kids to miss HS tournaments in the fall to play for Crabs or face expulsion from the program..."Come pay for my tournament instead of playing with your HS team". Bottom line, it's all about McClernan and Crabs, not the kids

The NLF tournament this weekend will be a college coach mob scene. As a player, you are better served playing there vs playing in the fresh/soph HS tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse used to be age based but went grade based. Go ahead and complain about it, but the barn door is already open.

True, but in going grade based I don't think they ever thought/expected that clubs would systematically game the system like certain ones have.

Saying it's OK because there's no rule against it is a pretty weak rationalization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs players causing issues on HS teams in Md...King Crab forcing kids to miss HS tournaments in the fall to play for Crabs or face expulsion from the program..."Come pay for my tournament instead of playing with your HS team". Bottom line, it's all about McClernan and Crabs, not the kids

The NLF tournament this weekend will be a college coach mob scene. As a player, you are better served playing there vs playing in the fresh/soph HS tournament.

I am sure you are correct but a Kid/parent has to worry about playing time and his spot on his high school team also. Its a hard call to make.

What happened to the 2020 NLF extravaganza? Couldn't compete with the Hill School playday? 2020 Crabs on the outside looking in already. Get used to it, no one wants to play with your 15 year-old "8th" graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USA Lacrosse should model its age classifications after USA Hockey and make it mandatory. It was not an advantage to hold kids back, parents would not do it.

well said, that's so true, there is no logical reason to do it otherwise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs players causing issues on HS teams in Md...King Crab forcing kids to miss HS tournaments in the fall to play for Crabs or face expulsion from the program..."Come pay for my tournament instead of playing with your HS team". Bottom line, it's all about McClernan and Crabs, not the kids

The NLF tournament this weekend will be a college coach mob scene. As a player, you are better served playing there vs playing in the fresh/soph HS tournament.

Crabs don't have to worry about spots on their HS teams...
I am sure you are correct but a Kid/parent has to worry about playing time and his spot on his high school team also. Its a hard call to make.

Where are the big 2020 events this Autumn or is it all about 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the big 2020 events this Autumn or is it all about 2019

Hill school this weekend!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the big 2020 events this Autumn or is it all about 2019

Hill school this weekend!

These are the biggies:

NLF Super Series
HHH Big 4
Philly Freshman Invitational

Is there a link to the tournament?

those evenst nlf hhh big 4 and philly freshman are all 2019?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs players causing issues on HS teams in Md...King Crab forcing kids to miss HS tournaments in the fall to play for Crabs or face expulsion from the program..."Come pay for my tournament instead of playing with your HS team". Bottom line, it's all about McClernan and Crabs, not the kids

Nothing new..always has been,,,Just now he has more sway..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs players causing issues on HS teams in Md...King Crab forcing kids to miss HS tournaments in the fall to play for Crabs or face expulsion from the program..."Come pay for my tournament instead of playing with your HS team". Bottom line, it's all about McClernan and Crabs, not the kids

Nothing new..always has been,,,Just now he has more sway..

It would be great if the MIAA schools would come to their senses and have their teams enter 2 tournaments in the fall and 2-3 in the summer and try and cut out the club scene at the HS school years altogether. If the limit it to 2-3 tournaments for the fall and summer, then it would still provide the kids an opportunity to take the money they would have spent on clubs and invest that into a showcase or two and maybe the UA tryouts. And if the coaches were smart, they could even team up and merge a couple schools for those events and have strong teams at the fresh/soph, JV and Varsity level for the tournaments they enter. Just seems that the HS coaches could do a lot to help cut out some of the stress for the families and use it as a away to prepare in the off season. But I am sure that the egos of men would get in the way and most of the parents wouldn't have the balls to trust a process like that because they have been fed the club medicine for years.

Loyola & St. Paul's
Gilman & BL
Calvert Hall & McD
Spalding & Severn
MSJ & St. Mary's

Those would make for some pretty good teams to compete in tournaments together.

What about the public schools? I understand the club lax scene is the wild west of sports with unsavory club presidents, crazy parents etc. My son is a public school kid that went from a B player as a freshman and has grown into a AA player as a Junior through is hard work only (no clinics, paid coaches,) My buddie played D1 and the Mount and came over in the back yard to train him for a 6 pack. Are we too white trash for the league above? Please remember, private school does not buy class.

MIAA teams would never combine for a tournament. Many of the MIAA schools are playing in 2 tournaments in the Fall and probably 2 in the summer. I think the NHSLS is a great format combining good HS from all over the country...Sadly, the college coaches don't want top see 17's anymore and are moving past 18's. The Foundation Lacrosse tournament this Nov 1 is a good format of HS 9th and 10th graders that will attract college coaches and many of the MIAA schools are participating

Anyone have a link to the NLF tourney for 2020's this weekend? I can't find anything on the NLF website but it's tough to navigate.

There is no 2020 NLF. Only 2019.

I just saw rosters and crabs 2021 have kids with 2001 birth dates. Are you kidding me, most 2019s are that year. Crabs 2021 has a kid two months younger than my son who plays 2019... This is ridicules

And THAT surprises NO ONE. Crabs Lacrosse - the New Engalnd Patriots of youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just saw rosters and crabs 2021 have kids with 2001 birth dates. Are you kidding me, most 2019s are that year. Crabs 2021 has a kid two months younger than my son who plays 2019... This is ridicules

So you hacked their website to find players birthdates at midnight? Not sure Crabs is the one with a problem...

I would say, while the Crabs may field winning teams, they have lost the most respect out of all the clubs and no one really considers playing against their teams as a solid game and when the Crabs walk away with a win, it is sort of just laughed off. Play the Crabs, play safely and do your best, but just know, it is what it is and there is no respect. They do not respect you for playing their kids with younger kids, so give none in return. Most kids will make it where they want to go without having to be held back. They may get their sooner because they dumbed the kid down to play younger, but your kid will get their too, along with many others, doing it properly and with respect. Your kid will also look better when they surpass and beat them to the ball, knock it away or save that shot against an older kid and the hold backs look worse for getting beat out by a younger kid. It is a double edged sword- they best be a complete stand out if they decided to play littler, younger kids- or their plan will back fire. Stay the course and your kid will be fine- hard work always wins in the end.

Crabs should do well at the Hill today

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just saw rosters and crabs 2021 have kids with 2001 birth dates. Are you kidding me, most 2019s are that year. Crabs 2021 has a kid two months younger than my son who plays 2019... This is ridicules

So you hacked their website to find players birthdates at midnight? Not sure Crabs is the one with a problem...

Good deflection but the issue remains Crabs are dishonest, disrespectful and risk the safety of opposing teams because they are only about themselves and winning at all cost. There is nothing sadder than what they are doing to their kids and the sport. That 2021 team will be even worse next year when they pick up more holdbacks who could not cut it with age appropriate kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs should do well at the Hill today

Maybe the Crabs trying to manipulate and control who gets to play in the NLF is starting to backfire on them. Other teams realizing there are plenty of competitive teams out there who value the sport and do not like what the Crabs represent. Too bad for their on age kids who have talent that they are affected because their parents allowed them to be associated with so many holdbacks and a club with no regard for sportsmanship and fair play.

Madlax is laughing because they have more holdbacks than anyone, but u guys just focus on Crabs. Dukes, FCA, etc have tons of them but nobody cares, I guess.

It is weird that some Madlax teams have 5-10 holdbacks but nobody seems to mind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is weird that some Madlax teams have 5-10 holdbacks but nobody seems to mind.

Seems like most of the talk here is from 2020, 2021 parents. I don't think they are a factor in either of those grades.

Don't kid yourself. I have a son who is a 2022 and there is a hold back in his grade.

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That would be sad if true but we should just assume it's true because it's posted anonymously on the internet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That would be sad if true but we should just assume it's true because it's posted anonymously on the internet

I meant don't assume

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

Best player on 2021 is a July 2001?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

Best player on 2021 is a July 2001?

"No rules were broken" - Crabs Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is weird that some Madlax teams have 5-10 holdbacks but nobody seems to mind.

Seems like most of the talk here is from 2020, 2021 parents. I don't think they are a factor in either of those grades.

They aren't. Madlax's 2020 and 2021 teams are pretty mediocre. Still, it's surprising they don't get called out for the holdbacks, especially given what people think of the owner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs should do well at the Hill today

...or not...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the public schools? I understand the club lax scene is the wild west of sports with unsavory club presidents, crazy parents etc. My son is a public school kid that went from a B player as a freshman and has grown into a AA player as a Junior through is hard work only (no clinics, paid coaches,) My buddie played D1 and the Mount and came over in the back yard to train him for a 6 pack. Are we too white trash for the league above? Please remember, private school does not buy class.

Sorry, didn't mean to leave the publics out. This is a Crabs page so I figured that 90+ % would be interested in MIAA. There are a lot of good publics and could/should do the same. You have Howard and Hereford that could team up or even a pairing of Easton, KI and SR. those would make some good teams. Anyway, best of luck if you try an pitch the idea to your coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Hey dummy. The McD coach is a Crabs coach who has a kid that plays for Crabs. Ugh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

Best player on 2021 is a July 2001?

"No rules were broken" - Crabs Parent

How can you break rules in a sport with "NO RULES"...

That being said it's even sadder who the kid is with the July 2001 birthday....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Hey dummy. The McD coach is a Crabs coach who has a kid that plays for Crabs. Ugh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Hey dummy. The McD coach is a Crabs coach who has a kid that plays for Crabs. Ugh

um, he use to have 2 kids play for crabs but 1 left. The other will be gone next year and he will be coaching at another club. And he really won't be coaching this year - name only for the web site. Instead of regurgitating what the web site says, do some research and think - it may hurt a little but you will be ok. Like I stated, he knows what he is doing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Hey dummy. The McD coach is a Crabs coach who has a kid that plays for Crabs. Ugh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Hey dummy. The McD coach is a Crabs coach who has a kid that plays for Crabs. Ugh

um, he use to have 2 kids play for crabs but 1 left. The other will be gone next year and he will be coaching at another club. And he really won't be coaching this year - name only for the web site. Instead of regurgitating what the web site says, do some research and think - it may hurt a little but you will be ok. Like I stated, he knows what he is doing.

What club will he be coaching? He's a good guy. I'd like to know.

Crabs lost to edge ,guess Canadian holdbacks are better

Please post the roster birth dates for Crabs 2020

How did 2022 Crabs look?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please post the roster birth dates for Crabs 2020

You are one creepy LI dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please post the roster birth dates for Crabs 2020

You are one creepy LI dad.

Its not creepy at all he is asking for the birth dates not what they are wearing. This whole site is about reclass kids how many and what team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 2022 Crabs look?

Like the 13 and 14 year olds they are!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please post the roster birth dates for Crabs 2020

You are one creepy LI dad.

Its not creepy at all he is asking for the birth dates not what they are wearing. This whole site is about reclass kids how many and what team.

Not sure what is so creepy. It might clear up the constant disputes about Crabs and holdbacks. Lets see the real birthdates (obviously no players names,numbers,) and we all can judge for ourselves about the use of holdbacks by Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 2022 Crabs look?

They looked great, but not sure what the level of competition was.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Hey dummy. The McD coach is a Crabs coach who has a kid that plays for Crabs. Ugh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Hey dummy. The McD coach is a Crabs coach who has a kid that plays for Crabs. Ugh

um, he use to have 2 kids play for crabs but 1 left. The other will be gone next year and he will be coaching at another club. And he really won't be coaching this year - name only for the web site. Instead of regurgitating what the web site says, do some research and think - it may hurt a little but you will be ok. Like I stated, he knows what he is doing.

You do realize that many, if not a majority of the holdbacks that play for Crabs go to McDonogh right? What would AH benefit from pointing this out? Makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Hey dummy. The McD coach is a Crabs coach who has a kid that plays for Crabs. Ugh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs rosters got released with birthrates - accidentally by the McDonough tourney this weekend. The post is correct - and their best player - is aged for 2019 - july 2001. At least they won't be able to attend World Series of Youth Lax - since Birth Certificates are required. Shame that a Two Year Hold Back would be allowed to play - oh well.

That is just plain awful if true

If this happened, it was no accident. The coach from McD knows what he is doing. Either way, pretty funny...lol. If the birth dates were released, would be good if someone posted them minus the kids names associated with the dates. Keep names out of this. hahaha, funny stuff.

Hey dummy. The McD coach is a Crabs coach who has a kid that plays for Crabs. Ugh

um, he use to have 2 kids play for crabs but 1 left. The other will be gone next year and he will be coaching at another club. And he really won't be coaching this year - name only for the web site. Instead of regurgitating what the web site says, do some research and think - it may hurt a little but you will be ok. Like I stated, he knows what he is doing.

You do realize that many, if not a majority of the holdbacks that play for Crabs go to McDonogh right? What would AH benefit from pointing this out? Makes no sense.

All MIAA schools have Holdbacks. There may be a bunch of holdbacks from McD on Crabs..but they get just as many from Boys Latin, St Pauls, Gilman, etc

Crabs 19 lost to express north that team is 1 year old and Edge from Canada

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 19 lost to express north that team is 1 year old and Edge from Canada

Express North also beat them in Philly over the summer so new but good...and Edge is....well, older...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please post the roster birth dates for Crabs 2020

You are one creepy LI dad.

Its not creepy at all he is asking for the birth dates not what they are wearing. This whole site is about reclass kids how many and what team.

Not sure what is so creepy. It might clear up the constant disputes about Crabs and holdbacks. Lets see the real birthdates (obviously no players names,numbers,) and we all can judge for ourselves about the use of holdbacks by Crabs.

There is no dispute. If it's a grade based tournament/event, all that matters is the grade the kid is in. You can keep asking about birth certificates, but that is irrelevant and just sour grapes.

Actually no - it is not sour grapes. When you game the system by holding your child back so he can beat up on younger kids your priorities are out of whack. Keep telling yourself its OK.

You can keep crying. College coaches keep calling us and our kids keep committing. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can keep crying. College coaches keep calling us and our kids keep committing. LOL.

That's great, but your reputation is crap in the general public and unless you want to stay in b'more, i wouldn't publicize that you ever played for the crabs. i'd never hire a kid from the crab's organization, bunch of scumbag families.

I get that many would prefer an age based system. Just know that when you come on here and rip only Crabs for having holdbacks you come off looking ignorant and jealous. Holdbacks are EVERYWHERE in Baltimore lacrosse.

Not just Baltimore. Madlax has more holdbacks than anyone, including the Crabs. Look at their 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can keep crying. College coaches keep calling us and our kids keep committing. LOL.

That's great, but your reputation is crap in the general public and unless you want to stay in b'more, i wouldn't publicize that you ever played for the crabs. i'd never hire a kid from the crab's organization, bunch of scumbag families.

I don't think a lot of Crabs alums are looking to work for you as a garbage collector.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I get that many would prefer an age based system. Just know that when you come on here and rip only Crabs for having holdbacks you come off looking ignorant and jealous. Holdbacks are EVERYWHERE in Baltimore lacrosse.

I agree it's everywhere. I just wished they had a way to identify the reclassified kids. So the kids on age are evaluated correctly. When you are talking about 9th graders it's a big deal to be 14 months older. The on age kids are being down graded un fairly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not just Baltimore. Madlax has more holdbacks than anyone, including the Crabs. Look at their 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 teams.

This guy is getting old yes there are reclass kids on Madlax for sure. But I can confirm that they have no more then 3 or 4 a team. Yes it sucks but all top teams have reclass kids. It's a private school issue and private school kids play lacrosse

If Madlax has 3-4 reclassified kids per team, that is on par with the Crabs. Not shocking that the scumbag owner would lead the way in cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can keep crying. College coaches keep calling us and our kids keep committing. LOL.

That's great, but your reputation is crap in the general public and unless you want to stay in b'more, i wouldn't publicize that you ever played for the crabs. i'd never hire a kid from the crab's organization, bunch of scumbag families.

News flash... College coaches keep calling kids that haven't reclassed too! Your kid just wasn't good enough to be in that group! The college roster will be filled with many non holdbacks- many kids do not need to be left back to be stand out athletes and students. Who's laughing last? Props to the kids that are talented and smart enough to not have to get left back.

Coaches will stop calling if u can't win at least 2 games at your own tourney

Little Johnny couldn't keep up with his friends in 8th grade so we decided to hold him back a year or two so he can kick some little kid's [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Madlax has 3-4 reclassified kids per team, that is on par with the Crabs. Not shocking that the scumbag owner would lead the way in cheating.

So if 3 or 4 reclassed kids on a team is the high water mark for all the clubs this problem is not as big as we all claim. I say they should do something like I have seen at Baseball/softball showcase tournaments where they make the kids where colored bracelets to say the age and grad year. That way when the 18 month older reclass kid is running over my on age younger birthday son in the 2019 bracket at least the college scouts can come to his own conclusion. I am sure they would like to know if the kid is all ready fully grown or has room to hit his peak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can keep crying. College coaches keep calling us and our kids keep committing. LOL.

That's great, but your reputation is crap in the general public and unless you want to stay in b'more, i wouldn't publicize that you ever played for the crabs. i'd never hire a kid from the crab's organization, bunch of scumbag families.

I don't think a lot of Crabs alums are looking to work for you as a garbage collector.

Very original response but there is some validity to the original posters comment. There would be other candidates more suitable as there is 1)no room for adults who had everything micromanaged by their parents 2) do not recognize themselves as a problem and 3) if they need to skip a grade instead of work harder that is a character flaw which will not change over time. Even if they personally did not hold back, it is a problem that they would align themselves with an organization who holds this methodology at it's foundation and not being strong enough to walk away. Yes, there are isolated holdbacks on other teams and those kids as individuals would be looked at twice also in the real world.

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

Not talking about college if you had read the text before you started calling names -the conversation was after their (and your) Glory Days when they hit the real world and can't cope because there are candidates better then them and daddy can't fix it . Work hard at your age and don't resort to reclassing so you appear bigger stronger faster by beating up on kids who have not reached their growth spurt yet. Tide is turning on Crabs Nation. Nobody cares if you win or not and D1 is not the end all- there are more people who want to teach their kids to work hard and just shake their head when a Crabs team takes the field which is too bad for the kids on the field who are on age but their parents knew the deal.

One of two things will happen in the next four years to the major programs who recruit early and have not discounted the bias toward kids who mature earlier / are older for their class.

1. They keep winning and it is moot.
2. It blows up in their faces and those same coaches get fired.

Kids at the major "early recruiting" places who are freshman in college now finishing fall ball were the first class to my memory where lots of kids committed at or before the start of 10th grade. To my memory, this year's senior HS class is the first one that had kids commit as 9th graders before XMas. The 2017 classes on down were an early free for all. It will be interesting the say the least how productive this college freshman class is on the field at UVA, UNC, Hop, UMD, then onwards over the next few years.

We'll know soon if it really is a hot mess, but unfortunately too late for a lot of late blooming 10th or 11th graders now. That stinks on some levels. On my son's team is a very good player who didn't start playing lacrosse until 7th grade. Now he has caught or passed a lot of the kids on a very good team, but since he's in 11th grade it is too late. That seems nuts to me, but the college coaches have made their determinations. Let's see if they were right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

If they are looking at 9th graders they really should care a lot if a kid is 14 or 16 years old. Most kids grow a ton during this 2 year window and most slow down after this window. And at the D1 level size is a bigger deal. Scouts love growth potential. They love to say when we get him we can make him so much better. So the age of the kid should mean a ton to them. I say play by grad year but call out the age if its all about the college guys and what they see the more info the better for them correct. They asked for grad year teams and we gave it to them. Lets give them the correct age of each kid also.

There are plenty of Crabs who are "on age" Why all the hate towards them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

If they are looking at 9th graders they really should care a lot if a kid is 14 or 16 years old. Most kids grow a ton during this 2 year window and most slow down after this window. And at the D1 level size is a bigger deal. Scouts love growth potential. They love to say when we get him we can make him so much better. So the age of the kid should mean a ton to them. I say play by grad year but call out the age if its all about the college guys and what they see the more info the better for them correct. They asked for grad year teams and we gave it to them. Lets give them the correct age of each kid also.

You can make an argument that is morally the wrong thing to do. But if you look at the number of reclassed kids who have committed to D1 programs, the numbers aren't in your favor.

Maybe you're right and all those D1 coaches are wrong. But it doesn't seem like they agree with you. They are taking the best kids they see without any regard to whether or not a kid is older or younger. You shouldn't be surprised because football, basketball, soccer and other coaches couldn't care less, either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are plenty of Crabs who are "on age" Why all the hate towards them?

Because the bulk of their players are a year or two older and playing against younger kids for one reason and one reason only. They're shameless and while it's an effective strategy to win games, it demonstrates horrible sportsmanship. Lax will end and everyone will hopefully have good memories and learn life lessons that extend beyond the lax field. The culture of the crabs is rotten to the core and you all have to live with that and knowing, that for your age, you're really not that good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

If they are looking at 9th graders they really should care a lot if a kid is 14 or 16 years old. Most kids grow a ton during this 2 year window and most slow down after this window. And at the D1 level size is a bigger deal. Scouts love growth potential. They love to say when we get him we can make him so much better. So the age of the kid should mean a ton to them. I say play by grad year but call out the age if its all about the college guys and what they see the more info the better for them correct. They asked for grad year teams and we gave it to them. Lets give them the correct age of each kid also.

You can make an argument that is morally the wrong thing to do. But if you look at the number of reclassed kids who have committed to D1 programs, the numbers aren't in your favor.

Maybe you're right and all those D1 coaches are wrong. But it doesn't seem like they agree with you. They are taking the best kids they see without any regard to whether or not a kid is older or younger. You shouldn't be surprised because football, basketball, soccer and other coaches couldn't care less, either.

Those coaches could care less, just like when a kid blows out a knee, they could are less. Get the next piece of meat off the bench and put him in.

Your pre-first, 8th grade hold back can play high school ball and nobody will complain, but your pre-first 8th grade holdback son shouldn't be playing down on the youth teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

If they are looking at 9th graders they really should care a lot if a kid is 14 or 16 years old. Most kids grow a ton during this 2 year window and most slow down after this window. And at the D1 level size is a bigger deal. Scouts love growth potential. They love to say when we get him we can make him so much better. So the age of the kid should mean a ton to them. I say play by grad year but call out the age if its all about the college guys and what they see the more info the better for them correct. They asked for grad year teams and we gave it to them. Lets give them the correct age of each kid also.

You can make an argument that is morally the wrong thing to do. But if you look at the number of reclassed kids who have committed to D1 programs, the numbers aren't in your favor.

Maybe you're right and all those D1 coaches are wrong. But it doesn't seem like they agree with you. They are taking the best kids they see without any regard to whether or not a kid is older or younger. You shouldn't be surprised because football, basketball, soccer and other coaches couldn't care less, either.

I agree that they do not care at the end. I am not asking for them to change the Grad year system I just would like them to call out the reclass kids so the on age kids will get credit when they out play a kid 18 months older then them. If it does not matter why would the reclass kids be upset. And if it makes us on age parents happy whats the harm?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Madlax has 3-4 reclassified kids per team, that is on par with the Crabs. Not shocking that the scumbag owner would lead the way in cheating.

So if 3 or 4 reclassed kids on a team is the high water mark for all the clubs this problem is not as big as we all claim. I say they should do something like I have seen at Baseball/softball showcase tournaments where they make the kids where colored bracelets to say the age and grad year. That way when the 18 month older reclass kid is running over my on age younger birthday son in the 2019 bracket at least the college scouts can come to his own conclusion. I am sure they would like to know if the kid is all ready fully grown or has room to hit his peak.

Madlax 2017 has five reclassed kids for sure and probably more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

If they are looking at 9th graders they really should care a lot if a kid is 14 or 16 years old. Most kids grow a ton during this 2 year window and most slow down after this window. And at the D1 level size is a bigger deal. Scouts love growth potential. They love to say when we get him we can make him so much better. So the age of the kid should mean a ton to them. I say play by grad year but call out the age if its all about the college guys and what they see the more info the better for them correct. They asked for grad year teams and we gave it to them. Lets give them the correct age of each kid also.

You can make an argument that is morally the wrong thing to do. But if you look at the number of reclassed kids who have committed to D1 programs, the numbers aren't in your favor.

Maybe you're right and all those D1 coaches are wrong. But it doesn't seem like they agree with you. They are taking the best kids they see without any regard to whether or not a kid is older or younger. You shouldn't be surprised because football, basketball, soccer and other coaches couldn't care less, either.

I agree that they do not care at the end. I am not asking for them to change the Grad year system I just would like them to call out the reclass kids so the on age kids will get credit when they out play a kid 18 months older then them. If it does not matter why would the reclass kids be upset. And if it makes us on age parents happy whats the harm?

Why would the tournament directors (let alone them) do that? Most recruiting books the coaches get have birthdates listed, so the information is there for those who may actually care about the ages.

And it's not always 18 months. Sometimes a reclassed kid was young for his grade and is the same age as his new peers in a lower grade (but sometimes not).

If your son is a good player, it will all be fine in the end.

I don't care how old Crabs or Madlax players are, or if college coaches put credit or discount on 16 year olds playing with 14 year olds. Here is a different point: in football, they look at your physical stature and raw inputs like a running dash time. Basketball that matters a lot. Soccer, I've seen kids examined upside down and back over how well they can run and place the ball and a lot of academy soccer players don't even make it to college.

My point would be this: if I see a 6'1 or 6'2 kid who can really run, has a lot of balance and explosiveness...I know Mr. Weight room will work to round his stature out. Same thing with goalie where the college and MLL trends recently now that the game has grown are bigger and bigger kids who can also move. Basically, the way I see it is the only position in lacrosse where physical stature is less important is attack. Tons of small but very fast kids playing college lacrosse at attack. But everywhere else, I'd think that a college coach would be indifferent about ages on grade school teams if he sees that stature on the field. Bet early, middle or late all day long on the big kids who can really run, are balanced and explosive. What I don't get is seeing college coaches committing stick figure 2019 goalies whose helmets are several inches below the crossbar, and diminutive middies. For the life of me, I just don't get why they will bet unhedged on a kid being undersized after puberty and growth fills out, and for all those 5'7 130lb early recruits that risk is really high. What do others think?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

Not talking about college if you had read the text before you started calling names -the conversation was after their (and your) Glory Days when they hit the real world and can't cope because there are candidates better then them and daddy can't fix it . Work hard at your age and don't resort to reclassing so you appear bigger stronger faster by beating up on kids who have not reached their growth spurt yet. Tide is turning on Crabs Nation. Nobody cares if you win or not and D1 is not the end all- there are more people who want to teach their kids to work hard and just shake their head when a Crabs team takes the field which is too bad for the kids on the field who are on age but their parents knew the deal.

Right. Because I know I put on my resume who I played club lacrosse for in Middle School. I must have been crazy to think my resume saying I was a Division 1 lacrosse player that graduated from Johns Hopkins would be sufficient. I am glad that I didn't include that I played for Crabs. I may have never found a job with my Hopkins diploma.

Idiots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

If they are looking at 9th graders they really should care a lot if a kid is 14 or 16 years old. Most kids grow a ton during this 2 year window and most slow down after this window. And at the D1 level size is a bigger deal. Scouts love growth potential. They love to say when we get him we can make him so much better. So the age of the kid should mean a ton to them. I say play by grad year but call out the age if its all about the college guys and what they see the more info the better for them correct. They asked for grad year teams and we gave it to them. Lets give them the correct age of each kid also.

Are you idiots under the impression that the college coaches don't have the birth dates of the kids? Every coach gets a full rundown of every kid at the tournament. This includes DOB, GPA, SAT scores, Height, Weight, etc...

This whole argument is so stupid. It's the way it is because the college coaches want it that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

If they are looking at 9th graders they really should care a lot if a kid is 14 or 16 years old. Most kids grow a ton during this 2 year window and most slow down after this window. And at the D1 level size is a bigger deal. Scouts love growth potential. They love to say when we get him we can make him so much better. So the age of the kid should mean a ton to them. I say play by grad year but call out the age if its all about the college guys and what they see the more info the better for them correct. They asked for grad year teams and we gave it to them. Lets give them the correct age of each kid also.

You can make an argument that is morally the wrong thing to do. But if you look at the number of reclassed kids who have committed to D1 programs, the numbers aren't in your favor.

Maybe you're right and all those D1 coaches are wrong. But it doesn't seem like they agree with you. They are taking the best kids they see without any regard to whether or not a kid is older or younger. You shouldn't be surprised because football, basketball, soccer and other coaches couldn't care less, either.

I agree that they do not care at the end. I am not asking for them to change the Grad year system I just would like them to call out the reclass kids so the on age kids will get credit when they out play a kid 18 months older then them. If it does not matter why would the reclass kids be upset. And if it makes us on age parents happy whats the harm?

Do you really think college coaches don't know how old the kids are? Who gives a [lacrosse] if you don't know how old everyone on the field is. It's really none of your business.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

Not talking about college if you had read the text before you started calling names -the conversation was after their (and your) Glory Days when they hit the real world and can't cope because there are candidates better then them and daddy can't fix it . Work hard at your age and don't resort to reclassing so you appear bigger stronger faster by beating up on kids who have not reached their growth spurt yet. Tide is turning on Crabs Nation. Nobody cares if you win or not and D1 is not the end all- there are more people who want to teach their kids to work hard and just shake their head when a Crabs team takes the field which is too bad for the kids on the field who are on age but their parents knew the deal.

Right. Because I know I put on my resume who I played club lacrosse for in Middle School. I must have been crazy to think my resume saying I was a Division 1 lacrosse player that graduated from Johns Hopkins would be sufficient. I am glad that I didn't include that I played for Crabs. I may have never found a job with my Hopkins diploma.

Idiots.

You're what's know as a "lax bro" - Hopkins lax guy doesn't get the same credibility that you get with a Hopkins degree. Everyone knows you're likely just there to play lax brah. See a resume with JHU degree, check, played lax too, right in the trash can.

Any kid who goes to Hopkins and has a great academic record there is going to have a lot of great opportunities when they graduate. Unfortunately at Hopkins and several other selective schools that have scholarship lacrosse, a lot of kids do play for years and leave with the 'ole 2 point something a liberal arts gut major. You are right that those are the trash can resumes, but the examples of that are not isolated to Hopkins. Sadly it happens a lot, and that is why you have so many going to Plan B recent college grads in Baltimore and in DC areas who are club coaches who give private lessons when they can get that work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

Not talking about college if you had read the text before you started calling names -the conversation was after their (and your) Glory Days when they hit the real world and can't cope because there are candidates better then them and daddy can't fix it . Work hard at your age and don't resort to reclassing so you appear bigger stronger faster by beating up on kids who have not reached their growth spurt yet. Tide is turning on Crabs Nation. Nobody cares if you win or not and D1 is not the end all- there are more people who want to teach their kids to work hard and just shake their head when a Crabs team takes the field which is too bad for the kids on the field who are on age but their parents knew the deal.

Right. Because I know I put on my resume who I played club lacrosse for in Middle School. I must have been crazy to think my resume saying I was a Division 1 lacrosse player that graduated from Johns Hopkins would be sufficient. I am glad that I didn't include that I played for Crabs. I may have never found a job with my Hopkins diploma.

Idiots.

You're what's know as a "lax bro" - Hopkins lax guy doesn't get the same credibility that you get with a Hopkins degree. Everyone knows you're likely just there to play lax brah. See a resume with JHU degree, check, played lax too, right in the trash can.

Right. Because most "lax bros" have a degree in Applied Mathematics from JHU. Glad you don't work at my company.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

Not talking about college if you had read the text before you started calling names -the conversation was after their (and your) Glory Days when they hit the real world and can't cope because there are candidates better then them and daddy can't fix it . Work hard at your age and don't resort to reclassing so you appear bigger stronger faster by beating up on kids who have not reached their growth spurt yet. Tide is turning on Crabs Nation. Nobody cares if you win or not and D1 is not the end all- there are more people who want to teach their kids to work hard and just shake their head when a Crabs team takes the field which is too bad for the kids on the field who are on age but their parents knew the deal.

Right. Because I know I put on my resume who I played club lacrosse for in Middle School. I must have been crazy to think my resume saying I was a Division 1 lacrosse player that graduated from Johns Hopkins would be sufficient. I am glad that I didn't include that I played for Crabs. I may have never found a job with my Hopkins diploma.

Idiots.

You're what's know as a "lax bro" - Hopkins lax guy doesn't get the same credibility that you get with a Hopkins degree. Everyone knows you're likely just there to play lax brah. See a resume with JHU degree, check, played lax too, right in the trash can.

Right. Because most "lax bros" have a degree in Applied Mathematics from JHU. Glad you don't work at my company.

AWSOME! What middle school do you teach at?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are idiots. College coaches couldn't care less if a kid has reclassed once or even twice. They simply want the best kids they can kid in any class. Same for a basketball or football coach.

You can keep whining and pulling your hair out, but that's the landscape. All this Internet angst isn't going to do anything but serve as a way for you to waste your time crying about something that is not going to change.

If a college coach is looking at two kids and likes one better than the other, he is going to take him even if the kid is older. Period.

Not talking about college if you had read the text before you started calling names -the conversation was after their (and your) Glory Days when they hit the real world and can't cope because there are candidates better then them and daddy can't fix it . Work hard at your age and don't resort to reclassing so you appear bigger stronger faster by beating up on kids who have not reached their growth spurt yet. Tide is turning on Crabs Nation. Nobody cares if you win or not and D1 is not the end all- there are more people who want to teach their kids to work hard and just shake their head when a Crabs team takes the field which is too bad for the kids on the field who are on age but their parents knew the deal.

Right. Because I know I put on my resume who I played club lacrosse for in Middle School. I must have been crazy to think my resume saying I was a Division 1 lacrosse player that graduated from Johns Hopkins would be sufficient. I am glad that I didn't include that I played for Crabs. I may have never found a job with my Hopkins diploma.

Idiots.

You're what's know as a "lax bro" - Hopkins lax guy doesn't get the same credibility that you get with a Hopkins degree. Everyone knows you're likely just there to play lax brah. See a resume with JHU degree, check, played lax too, right in the trash can.

Right. Because most "lax bros" have a degree in Applied Mathematics from JHU. Glad you don't work at my company.

AWSOME! What middle school do you teach at?

Based on your spelling, you are either still in Middle School, or never finished.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't care how old Crabs or Madlax players are, or if college coaches put credit or discount on 16 year olds playing with 14 year olds. Here is a different point: in football, they look at your physical stature and raw inputs like a running dash time. Basketball that matters a lot. Soccer, I've seen kids examined upside down and back over how well they can run and place the ball and a lot of academy soccer players don't even make it to college.

My point would be this: if I see a 6'1 or 6'2 kid who can really run, has a lot of balance and explosiveness...I know Mr. Weight room will work to round his stature out. Same thing with goalie where the college and MLL trends recently now that the game has grown are bigger and bigger kids who can also move. Basically, the way I see it is the only position in lacrosse where physical stature is less important is attack. Tons of small but very fast kids playing college lacrosse at attack. But everywhere else, I'd think that a college coach would be indifferent about ages on grade school teams if he sees that stature on the field. Bet early, middle or late all day long on the big kids who can really run, are balanced and explosive. What I don't get is seeing college coaches committing stick figure 2019 goalies whose helmets are several inches below the crossbar, and diminutive middies. For the life of me, I just don't get why they will bet unhedged on a kid being undersized after puberty and growth fills out, and for all those 5'7 130lb early recruits that risk is really high. What do others think?

If you think anyone (let alone many) of the early commits are 5'7" 130lb, you are tremendously stupid. They are placing bets on guys that will project to the next level. They are giving offers to kids who have great skill and can be effective at the next level athletically. They are not handing out offers to kids who weigh 130lb unless it is an exceptional goalie.

Are you kidding with that post? Many of the 2017 early goalies were undersized and still are. A 5'6-5'7 skinny kid in the goal is rubber bait in college. A good number of the early verbals in the DC area in that same class were undersized middies who are, em, still undersized. That happens a lot with 16 y.o. 9th graders. Is PP Stevie Wonder dictating text? Google voice text is really strong if so.

Depends if kid is in puberty. Coaches have to look at true 2019s who might not be at their full potential growth. They can figure out if the kid has more growing to do. My son is only 5'2 at 14 but has not one ounce of hair under his arms. Most boys his age are fully matured already. So I know he has a lot of growing to do and will surpass many kids his age in another 2 to 3 years but unfortunately it will be to late for division 1 lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Depends if kid is in puberty. Coaches have to look at true 2019s who might not be at their full potential growth. They can figure out if the kid has more growing to do. My son is only 5'2 at 14 but has not one ounce of hair under his arms. Most boys his age are fully matured already. So I know he has a lot of growing to do and will surpass many kids his age in another 2 to 3 years but unfortunately it will be to late for division 1 lax.

I feel the same way as you my son is the same size and situation. Our only hope is to get that last spot of the 12 at the D1 schools. Which hopefully will open up when an early commit changes his mind at the last second. Good thing is no one is getting a ton of money anyway so first or 12th its still 5% off total cost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Depends if kid is in puberty. Coaches have to look at true 2019s who might not be at their full potential growth. They can figure out if the kid has more growing to do. My son is only 5'2 at 14 but has not one ounce of hair under his arms. Most boys his age are fully matured already. So I know he has a lot of growing to do and will surpass many kids his age in another 2 to 3 years but unfortunately it will be to late for division 1 lax.

I feel the same way as you my son is the same size and situation. Our only hope is to get that last spot of the 12 at the D1 schools. Which hopefully will open up when an early commit changes his mind at the last second. Good thing is no one is getting a ton of money anyway so first or 12th its still 5% off total cost.

Ain't that the truth! Don't forget, the Ivy's go later, so grades are important, especially as more than a few kids won't be admitted to the schools they committed to because they can't make the grade. There will def be spots, Don't forget the great D3 schools as well.

It just stinks because my kid is a real solid player but will not get a shot because of his size right now. And with all hold backs it hurts him even more. Being 5'2" at this age is such a disadvantage. But doctors say he should be about 5'10" but might not get there until 19 they say. But coaches look for the now not what a kid might be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It just stinks because my kid is a real solid player but will not get a shot because of his size right now. And with all hold backs it hurts him even more. Being 5'2" at this age is such a disadvantage. But doctors say he should be about 5'10" but might not get there until 19 they say. But coaches look for the now not what a kid might be.

Focus on good grades, he will get more money for grades than lacrosse. If he is as good as you think he is , he can walk on. Buddy of mine played at Delaware, got his books and housing paid for his freshman year. He got cut his sophomore year, lost his position to unrecruitrd walk on.

Some sound wisdom from the prior poster. Once the roster is settled, it isn't like walk-ons don't have the same shot as a scholarship kid. I had one club lacrosse recruiting guru tell me that a lot of savvy kids and parents are wiser now and are asking for, and getting, four year deals...so that investment means that they will always have a bias toward the ER commits even if the ER commits get worked by a walk-on. I literally had to laugh while he was trying to finish his point, which is pointless. There isn't such a thing as a non-revenue sport D1 coach who isn't only concerned about keeping his job in a profession where there is no same or better living to be made coaching in a professional league. With few exceptions where lacrosse is most eggs in one basket like Hopkins, Colgate and a few others, the Athletic Directors don't pass much of a look at a lacrosse program except to evaluate wins and losses. Anyone buying the D1 coach nobility or loyalty speeches is a fool. Get worked, next guy in.

With 12.6 spread over a herd, I also struggle as a parent to communicate that any great student is going to get more merit money than lacrosse money. Lacrosse is a vehicle for admissions preferences at some great places, but it is also a leveraged bet. Better to be a most qualified applicant to great places and have great choices. Lacrosse doesn't afford kids any real profession either, so there's also that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Depends if kid is in puberty. Coaches have to look at true 2019s who might not be at their full potential growth. They can figure out if the kid has more growing to do. My son is only 5'2 at 14 but has not one ounce of hair under his arms. Most boys his age are fully matured already. So I know he has a lot of growing to do and will surpass many kids his age in another 2 to 3 years but unfortunately it will be to late for division 1 lax.

I feel the same way as you my son is the same size and situation. Our only hope is to get that last spot of the 12 at the D1 schools. Which hopefully will open up when an early commit changes his mind at the last second. Good thing is no one is getting a ton of money anyway so first or 12th its still 5% off total cost.

How many true 9th graders, 2001 birthdays, can succeed against 11th graders? I can't understand why college coaches can't see through the playing down types, and why they don't ask to see them against same age competition? It must have to do with the great success the early recruiters UVA, UNC, Hopkins have had, measured by final 4 and national championships.

Wait a sec...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Depends if kid is in puberty. Coaches have to look at true 2019s who might not be at their full potential growth. They can figure out if the kid has more growing to do. My son is only 5'2 at 14 but has not one ounce of hair under his arms. Most boys his age are fully matured already. So I know he has a lot of growing to do and will surpass many kids his age in another 2 to 3 years but unfortunately it will be to late for division 1 lax.

I feel the same way as you my son is the same size and situation. Our only hope is to get that last spot of the 12 at the D1 schools. Which hopefully will open up when an early commit changes his mind at the last second. Good thing is no one is getting a ton of money anyway so first or 12th its still 5% off total cost.

How many true 9th graders, 2001 birthdays, can succeed against 11th graders? I can't understand why college coaches can't see through the playing down types, and why they don't ask to see them against same age competition? It must have to do with the great success the early recruiters UVA, UNC, Hopkins have had, measured by final 4 and national championships.

Wait a sec...

Because you are not looking at it objectively, only as a homer dad whose son is not a superstar.

College coaches want the best talent possible per grade. It doesn't matter if the kid is old or young relative to the rest of the people in that recruiting class.

That's it. Period. Accept it and move on or remain bitter.

I had a friend who dropped his medical practice, started investing his own money and then ran a little hedge fund that could never raise much money because he predicted doom and gloom in the mortgage debt space and lost money for two years being early. He still made out like a bandit loading up a short on the mortgage debt crisis. Everyone called him a loser and a fool, but he kept pointing to all of the reasons why there was a forward disaster coming and then people called him a loser and a fool even louder. He cut staff, borrowed money from his friends including myself to pay his divorce lawyer when his wife left him and was basically almost convinced he just couldn't win when he did win. This lacrosse debate reminds me a lot of his situation. Most people can only see a disaster in the rear view mirror and then feel foolish for ignoring all the signs. Recruiting little kids for a college sport should be obviously stupid to everyone, but some more years will be needed for it to express out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It just stinks because my kid is a real solid player but will not get a shot because of his size right now. And with all hold backs it hurts him even more. Being 5'2" at this age is such a disadvantage. But doctors say he should be about 5'10" but might not get there until 19 they say. But coaches look for the now not what a kid might be.

Focus on good grades, he will get more money for grades than lacrosse. If he is as good as you think he is , he can walk on. Buddy of mine played at Delaware, got his books and housing paid for his freshman year. He got cut his sophomore year, lost his position to unrecruitrd walk on.

Is that true? Do top programs still consider walkonx? Or does Title IX restrict how many walk-ons a team can add? For a lot of schools, if you live in-state, just biding your time and walking on - if that's practice - would essentially be a 50-70% scholarship. Not to mention being able to put all that money you might spend chasing a partial could go into a 529 plan.

Just because a child commits to a school doesn't mean he is automatically on the squad. He still has to have the grades to get into school and he still needs to tryout for the team. Yes he can be cut, even though he committed in 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It just stinks because my kid is a real solid player but will not get a shot because of his size right now. And with all hold backs it hurts him even more. Being 5'2" at this age is such a disadvantage. But doctors say he should be about 5'10" but might not get there until 19 they say. But coaches look for the now not what a kid might be.

Focus on good grades, he will get more money for grades than lacrosse. If he is as good as you think he is , he can walk on. Buddy of mine played at Delaware, got his books and housing paid for his freshman year. He got cut his sophomore year, lost his position to unrecruitrd walk on.

Is that true? Do top programs still consider walkonx? Or does Title IX restrict how many walk-ons a team can add? For a lot of schools, if you live in-state, just biding your time and walking on - if that's practice - would essentially be a 50-70% scholarship. Not to mention being able to put all that money you might spend chasing a partial could go into a 529 plan.

Sure. Look up dan burns. U of Md walkon mll bayhawks team USA . Many other examples

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because a child commits to a school doesn't mean he is automatically on the squad. He still has to have the grades to get into school and he still needs to tryout for the team. Yes he can be cut, even though he committed in 9th grade.

Kids getting recruited and then cut after fall ball is something that happened to a kid our family knows well. He quietly transferred to another school at XMas and was much happier. We also knew the family of a kid who was told he was being dropped as a recruit when the new coach was hired at Penn State a few years ago. The coach asked the club coach for the kid to call his cell at a specific time, the kid called and the coach dumped him on the phone in a less than two minute phone call while he was sitting in the kitchen wearing a Penn State sweatshirt. I have some pretty serious trust issues with coaches who promise what they will do, say what they will do. If you pick a great school where you'd be happy without lacrosse it can never end badly...I just can't sell that to a teenager who wants to be cool and committed. Hard one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Depends if kid is in puberty. Coaches have to look at true 2019s who might not be at their full potential growth. They can figure out if the kid has more growing to do. My son is only 5'2 at 14 but has not one ounce of hair under his arms. Most boys his age are fully matured already. So I know he has a lot of growing to do and will surpass many kids his age in another 2 to 3 years but unfortunately it will be to late for division 1 lax.

I feel the same way as you my son is the same size and situation. Our only hope is to get that last spot of the 12 at the D1 schools. Which hopefully will open up when an early commit changes his mind at the last second. Good thing is no one is getting a ton of money anyway so first or 12th its still 5% off total cost.

How many true 9th graders, 2001 birthdays, can succeed against 11th graders? I can't understand why college coaches can't see through the playing down types, and why they don't ask to see them against same age competition? It must have to do with the great success the early recruiters UVA, UNC, Hopkins have had, measured by final 4 and national championships.

Wait a sec...

Because you are not looking at it objectively, only as a homer dad whose son is not a superstar.

College coaches want the best talent possible per grade. It doesn't matter if the kid is old or young relative to the rest of the people in that recruiting class.

That's it. Period. Accept it and move on or remain bitter.

I can see why I get this response on a Crabs board, but is your 11th grader really better? That's the question. There's no denying that he's bigger because he's older, maybe even looks more athletic against the less developed players he's facing at 2019. But he's done growing. My kid is just starting to grow. Can't the coaches see this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Depends if kid is in puberty. Coaches have to look at true 2019s who might not be at their full potential growth. They can figure out if the kid has more growing to do. My son is only 5'2 at 14 but has not one ounce of hair under his arms. Most boys his age are fully matured already. So I know he has a lot of growing to do and will surpass many kids his age in another 2 to 3 years but unfortunately it will be to late for division 1 lax.

I feel the same way as you my son is the same size and situation. Our only hope is to get that last spot of the 12 at the D1 schools. Which hopefully will open up when an early commit changes his mind at the last second. Good thing is no one is getting a ton of money anyway so first or 12th its still 5% off total cost.

How many true 9th graders, 2001 birthdays, can succeed against 11th graders? I can't understand why college coaches can't see through the playing down types, and why they don't ask to see them against same age competition? It must have to do with the great success the early recruiters UVA, UNC, Hopkins have had, measured by final 4 and national championships.

Wait a sec...

Because you are not looking at it objectively, only as a homer dad whose son is not a superstar.

College coaches want the best talent possible per grade. It doesn't matter if the kid is old or young relative to the rest of the people in that recruiting class.

That's it. Period. Accept it and move on or remain bitter.

I can see why I get this response on a Crabs board, but is your 11th grader really better? That's the question. There's no denying that he's bigger because he's older, maybe even looks more athletic against the less developed players he's facing at 2019. But he's done growing. My kid is just starting to grow. Can't the coaches see this?

All other things being equal, a college team of 19-22 year olds is going to be better than a team of 18-21 year olds. Coaches are interested in winning. If they get a better team because their players did a PG year, were held back in kindergarten, or repeated 8th grade it doesn't really matter to them. If your kid is a true stud it won't matter but on the margin an older version of the same player will beat out the younger version of themselves for a spot on a college team just like he is more likely to play as an upperclassman than as an underclassman.

Reclassing has nothing to do with college coaches.....Its only done to win in youth lacrosse...lol

It is all about potential college recruiting! Of course the club team wants to win, which draws more elite players and ultimately more publicity and more college commitments which is the best form of advertising for the elite club teams. The number and quality of college commitments has always been the Crabs best selling point. Easy to drink the koolaid! But, all of the elite club teams have holdbacks. It has become more pervasive at the youth level in the last two years with the grade based teams. Prior to that it only impacted the youth teams at the U15 level and above HS levels. I don't agree with it. I am a parent of a non-holdback public school kid. If your kid is a good player he will ultimately prevail, but clearly at a disadvantage. I have never bought into the arguement of the older, bigger kid injuring a younger, smaller kid. Very unfair to the good on age kids that get relagated to a reserve role due to the kid in front of him being a year older and more advanced. I have seen kids that were pretty good on age players reclassify and now they are studs and are committing. Thus, it clearly works if it is that important and affordable to you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is all about potential college recruiting! Of course the club team wants to win, which draws more elite players and ultimately more publicity and more college commitments which is the best form of advertising for the elite club teams. The number and quality of college commitments has always been the Crabs best selling point. Easy to drink the koolaid! But, all of the elite club teams have holdbacks. It has become more pervasive at the youth level in the last two years with the grade based teams. Prior to that it only impacted the youth teams at the U15 level and above HS levels. I don't agree with it. I am a parent of a non-holdback public school kid. If your kid is a good player he will ultimately prevail, but clearly at a disadvantage. I have never bought into the arguement of the older, bigger kid injuring a younger, smaller kid. Very unfair to the good on age kids that get relagated to a reserve role due to the kid in front of him being a year older and more advanced. I have seen kids that were pretty good on age players reclassify and now they are studs and are committing. Thus, it clearly works if it is that important and affordable to you!

So these players reclass because 1) they look better against younger, less developed kids, and 2) they cant compete with kids their own age? Or is it because they lost their spot to an older, more developed player? Both?

I ask again, are these reclassed, committing studs really "better" or just older? Better is relative to other younger players at a point in time, older is quantifiable. Older has less potential, not more. Can't Breschi, Staria and Petro see this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Depends if kid is in puberty. Coaches have to look at true 2019s who might not be at their full potential growth. They can figure out if the kid has more growing to do. My son is only 5'2 at 14 but has not one ounce of hair under his arms. Most boys his age are fully matured already. So I know he has a lot of growing to do and will surpass many kids his age in another 2 to 3 years but unfortunately it will be to late for division 1 lax.

I feel the same way as you my son is the same size and situation. Our only hope is to get that last spot of the 12 at the D1 schools. Which hopefully will open up when an early commit changes his mind at the last second. Good thing is no one is getting a ton of money anyway so first or 12th its still 5% off total cost.

How many true 9th graders, 2001 birthdays, can succeed against 11th graders? I can't understand why college coaches can't see through the playing down types, and why they don't ask to see them against same age competition? It must have to do with the great success the early recruiters UVA, UNC, Hopkins have had, measured by final 4 and national championships.

Wait a sec...

Because you are not looking at it objectively, only as a homer dad whose son is not a superstar.

College coaches want the best talent possible per grade. It doesn't matter if the kid is old or young relative to the rest of the people in that recruiting class.

That's it. Period. Accept it and move on or remain bitter.

I can see why I get this response on a Crabs board, but is your 11th grader really better? That's the question. There's no denying that he's bigger because he's older, maybe even looks more athletic against the less developed players he's facing at 2019. But he's done growing. My kid is just starting to grow. Can't the coaches see this?

It doesn't matter to me or to you how good my son or any kid is. The only person's opinion that matters is a college coach's. If he likes what he sees, he couldn't care less if the kid is the same age or older/younger than someone else he likes a little less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Depends if kid is in puberty. Coaches have to look at true 2019s who might not be at their full potential growth. They can figure out if the kid has more growing to do. My son is only 5'2 at 14 but has not one ounce of hair under his arms. Most boys his age are fully matured already. So I know he has a lot of growing to do and will surpass many kids his age in another 2 to 3 years but unfortunately it will be to late for division 1 lax.

I feel the same way as you my son is the same size and situation. Our only hope is to get that last spot of the 12 at the D1 schools. Which hopefully will open up when an early commit changes his mind at the last second. Good thing is no one is getting a ton of money anyway so first or 12th its still 5% off total cost.

How many true 9th graders, 2001 birthdays, can succeed against 11th graders? I can't understand why college coaches can't see through the playing down types, and why they don't ask to see them against same age competition? It must have to do with the great success the early recruiters UVA, UNC, Hopkins have had, measured by final 4 and national championships.

Wait a sec...

Because you are not looking at it objectively, only as a homer dad whose son is not a superstar.

College coaches want the best talent possible per grade. It doesn't matter if the kid is old or young relative to the rest of the people in that recruiting class.

That's it. Period. Accept it and move on or remain bitter.

I can see why I get this response on a Crabs board, but is your 11th grader really better? That's the question. There's no denying that he's bigger because he's older, maybe even looks more athletic against the less developed players he's facing at 2019. But he's done growing. My kid is just starting to grow. Can't the coaches see this?

It doesn't matter to me or to you how good my son or any kid is. The only person's opinion that matters is a college coach's. If he likes what he sees, he couldn't care less if the kid is the same age or older/younger than someone else he likes a little less.

That is the point we all know college recruiting is subjective. And that is why we would like all the kids to at least be the same age when we are paying $275 or more for a weekend of lacrosse to be seen. We know it takes 3 or less great plays to get on a colleges radar. So they might know after the point a kid is older but now the great plays are in their head and their opinion is half way locked in. I have a great friend who is a D1 Basketball coach/recruiter he has confirmed this to me with Basketball. They fall in love with a kid on the field then go back and research him. But their minds are locked in.

Correction: YOU want the kids at an event to be roughly the same age. The college coaches couldn't care less. So you are just tilting at windmills.

Stating the obvious: 1) Without a doubt they do look better because they are playing with and against younger players. 2) Yes, they can compete with kids their own age, but not at the high level their parents would like. If you are a 2nd string / on age player for the Crabs, FCA, Madlax you are still a pretty good player compared to your on age peers, just not a surefire, 9th grade / 10th grade early commit kind of stud. 3) Yes, getting screwed by the holdback kids in front of you at the club and private high school level fuels the continued cycle.

Again, mostly a private school issue! If you are a on age, public schoool player and play for one of the elite club teams you are probably a starter as a freshman for your local high school team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stating the obvious: 1) Without a doubt they do look better because they are playing with and against younger players. 2) Yes, they can compete with kids their own age, but not at the high level their parents would like. If you are a 2nd string / on age player for the Crabs, FCA, Madlax you are still a pretty good player compared to your on age peers, just not a surefire, 9th grade / 10th grade early commit kind of stud. 3) Yes, getting screwed by the holdback kids in front of you at the club and private high school level fuels the continued cycle.

Again, mostly a private school issue! If you are a on age, public schoool player and play for one of the elite club teams you are probably a starter as a freshman for your local high school team.

I agree with this fully. So for all the on age public school parents we have to fight the hold back problem more then the rest. We really only have the 6 to 8 weekends a year to be seen by the colleges. The Landon, PVI,or any top private schools are also seen and those numbers mean a lot to a college scout. You score 40 goals at a public 4A school you better be playing and starting for Madlax or VLC. If not it does not matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just because a child commits to a school doesn't mean he is automatically on the squad. He still has to have the grades to get into school and he still needs to tryout for the team. Yes he can be cut, even though he committed in 9th grade.

Kids getting recruited and then cut after fall ball is something that happened to a kid our family knows well. He quietly transferred to another school at XMas and was much happier. We also knew the family of a kid who was told he was being dropped as a recruit when the new coach was hired at Penn State a few years ago. The coach asked the club coach for the kid to call his cell at a specific time, the kid called and the coach dumped him on the phone in a less than two minute phone call while he was sitting in the kitchen wearing a Penn State sweatshirt. I have some pretty serious trust issues with coaches who promise what they will do, say what they will do. If you pick a great school where you'd be happy without lacrosse it can never end badly...I just can't sell that to a teenager who wants to be cool and committed. Hard one.

Some programs re-allocate scholarships, some don't. Some of the top 4 programs have non scholarship players starting while top flight recruits receiving 50-75% are practice players. When you arrive on the campus as a freshman, its a blank slate aka what have you done for me lately. If you committed as an underclassman in high school and rest on your laurels, look to sit on the bench for four years. Don't count on any coach's verbal commitment. Its not a done deal until you've signed your NLI and then its only (usually) a one year commitment. Frankly you're much better off getting academic money vs a partial athletic scholarship.

We all know its all bets off when you get into the school. But Us parents which is who is writing and reading on here we all care about getting them into the school. You can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink. I plan to help my son in all the areas that help him get into and do well when you get there. But he will be a adult (18) years old when he starts college not (20) like some of the other kids we talk about on here. So he will have to decide step it up or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correction: YOU want the kids at an event to be roughly the same age. The college coaches couldn't care less. So you are just tilting at windmills.

Tilting at windmills? Have you heard of a growth chart? Drs at Hopkins have, maybe not lax coach. It shows that your 1999 b'day, 5'10", 170 lbs kid is done growing. My on age 2019, born in 2001, 5'8", 140 lbs kid will be 6'. While your son looks bigger while playing down, my son will have D1 size.

AGE matters, particularly relative to growth. Stop cheating and teach your kid a real life lesson about competing with dignity

I think it says a lot that instead of talking about the Crabs program or youth lacrosse on this board - the discussion is all about holdbacks. I hope the folks from the crabs realize that except for the parents that perpetuate RMs cheating by allowing their kids to be held back respects the organization or its way of doing business. Having said that - I doubt they care.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correction: YOU want the kids at an event to be roughly the same age. The college coaches couldn't care less. So you are just tilting at windmills.

Tilting at windmills? Have you heard of a growth chart? Drs at Hopkins have, maybe not lax coach. It shows that your 1999 b'day, 5'10", 170 lbs kid is done growing. My on age 2019, born in 2001, 5'8", 140 lbs kid will be 6'. While your son looks bigger while playing down, my son will have D1 size.

AGE matters, particularly relative to growth. Stop cheating and teach your kid a real life lesson about competing with dignity

I have given up on stopping the cheating I have moved on to someway of Marking the reclass kids. If they had to wear a band or marking of some kind to show they are 18 months older I could deal with this issue just fine. That way when my on age son knocks the older kid down he gets double credit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correction: YOU want the kids at an event to be roughly the same age. The college coaches couldn't care less. So you are just tilting at windmills.

Tilting at windmills? Have you heard of a growth chart? Drs at Hopkins have, maybe not lax coach. It shows that your 1999 b'day, 5'10", 170 lbs kid is done growing. My on age 2019, born in 2001, 5'8", 140 lbs kid will be 6'. While your son looks bigger while playing down, my son will have D1 size.

AGE matters, particularly relative to growth. Stop cheating and teach your kid a real life lesson about competing with dignity

I have given up on stopping the cheating I have moved on to someway of Marking the reclass kids. If they had to wear a band or marking of some kind to show they are 18 months older I could deal with this issue just fine. That way when my on age son knocks the older kid down he gets double credit.

And his parents should be forced to wear a pink polo shirt with the collar up

Then later, when your on-age son is attending Hofstra or St Johns he can watch my Crabs son on TV playing for Duke or UNC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correction: YOU want the kids at an event to be roughly the same age. The college coaches couldn't care less. So you are just tilting at windmills.

Tilting at windmills? Have you heard of a growth chart? Drs at Hopkins have, maybe not lax coach. It shows that your 1999 b'day, 5'10", 170 lbs kid is done growing. My on age 2019, born in 2001, 5'8", 140 lbs kid will be 6'. While your son looks bigger while playing down, my son will have D1 size.

AGE matters, particularly relative to growth. Stop cheating and teach your kid a real life lesson about competing with dignity

I have given up on stopping the cheating I have moved on to someway of Marking the reclass kids. If they had to wear a band or marking of some kind to show they are 18 months older I could deal with this issue just fine. That way when my on age son knocks the older kid down he gets double credit.

Again, who is this Marking for? So you can feel better? The college coaches know how old every kid on the field is.

At the end of the day they are all getting an education. St Johns Hofstra ..who cares they get to compete. After U whats left in lacrosse NLL (Mostly Canadians) MLL. Starting your own youth Lax program saturated already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correction: YOU want the kids at an event to be roughly the same age. The college coaches couldn't care less. So you are just tilting at windmills.

Tilting at windmills? Have you heard of a growth chart? Drs at Hopkins have, maybe not lax coach. It shows that your 1999 b'day, 5'10", 170 lbs kid is done growing. My on age 2019, born in 2001, 5'8", 140 lbs kid will be 6'. While your son looks bigger while playing down, my son will have D1 size.

AGE matters, particularly relative to growth. Stop cheating and teach your kid a real life lesson about competing with dignity

I have given up on stopping the cheating I have moved on to someway of Marking the reclass kids. If they had to wear a band or marking of some kind to show they are 18 months older I could deal with this issue just fine. That way when my on age son knocks the older kid down he gets double credit.

Again, who is this Marking for? So you can feel better? The college coaches know how old every kid on the field is.

I agree this Marking would make me feel a lot better. And this Marking would let the College guys know in real time who is older. I agree they find out the age but not tell after they fall in love with the kid. I am betting if they knew in real time while they are watching the older kids they would be way more impressed with the on age kid who just blew by the 3 older reclass kids. But when the older reclass kid scores on three on age kids he will also think twice. And once again this is all for the college guys and what helps them scout. I am just saying these Marking are a huge help for them. Its only fair form them to have all the info in real time. We are giving them the grad year in real time correct. So they should have the ages in real time also. And if there is no shame in reclassing no one should be upset if they have a reclass mark for all to see.

Do you understand...College coaches know the ages (and really don't care)...Who really give 2 $%!ts what makes you feel better...Move on and let the athletes play on the field. You can go home and make little Johnny feel better about himself at home after the contest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then later, when your on-age son is attending Hofstra or St Johns he can watch my Crabs son on TV playing for Duke or UNC.

Yeah, that was point of my original post. What are Breschi, Starsia and Petro thinking? Obviously they are not...

It's okay, due to age and lack of performance, at least 2 of these 3 coaches will be out of a job by my son's senior year. By then he'll be same age as your kid is now, 17. He'll be fully grown too.

While feeling good about his spot at Hofstra, maybe he can grab your 20 yo's kid's scholly at UNC, who knows?

Glad you mentioned Duke. Where did Danowski come from??? When does Duke recruit? How have they done since Danowski took over? He must know what a growth chart looks like...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you understand...College coaches know the ages (and really don't care)...Who really give 2 $%!ts what makes you feel better...Move on and let the athletes play on the field. You can go home and make little Johnny feel better about himself at home after the contest

Says the Crabs sycophant with the 16 year old 8th grader...

Not Crabs, son not reclassed...Just a dad who has a son who can adapt to competition..and my son is undersized. We don't sit home and rationalize why kids are bigger and make excuses. My son worked in the gym, on the field and in the classroom to get where he is. Cry all you want, rationalize all you want. You are only setting your son up for failure when he gets older

Ok Rambo. You sound like a moron. Just because someone doesn't share your viewpoint doesn't mean they are crying. Actually, having your son rationalize situations is a good thing. That actually helps prepare him as he gets older, as he runs into situations a lot more complicated and relevant than 8th grade lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not Crabs, son not reclassed...Just a dad who has a son who can adapt to competition..and my son is undersized. We don't sit home and rationalize why kids are bigger and make excuses. My son worked in the gym, on the field and in the classroom to get where he is. Cry all you want, rationalize all you want. You are only setting your son up for failure when he gets older

Spoken like a true internet tuff guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not Crabs, son not reclassed...Just a dad who has a son who can adapt to competition..and my son is undersized. We don't sit home and rationalize why kids are bigger and make excuses. My son worked in the gym, on the field and in the classroom to get where he is. Cry all you want, rationalize all you want. You are only setting your son up for failure when he gets older

Well I do tell my son to suck it up and just get better and deal with it. We have talked about it several times. My fav. words to him are life is not fair. But when asked a question I am a man and I will give a answer like a man. And Reclass kids should be pointed out. I you cut in line at a store I will call you out. Its not illegal just a D!!k move. So if you reclass your kid you should be called out as a D!!k. Me and my son will work with it and move on but we are not sheep you just let the punks cut in line with out calling them out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not Crabs, son not reclassed...Just a dad who has a son who can adapt to competition..and my son is undersized. We don't sit home and rationalize why kids are bigger and make excuses. My son worked in the gym, on the field and in the classroom to get where he is. Cry all you want, rationalize all you want. You are only setting your son up for failure when he gets older

Well I do tell my son to suck it up and just get better and deal with it. We have talked about it several times. My fav. words to him are life is not fair. But when asked a question I am a man and I will give a answer like a man. And Reclass kids should be pointed out. I you cut in line at a store I will call you out. Its not illegal just a D!!k move. So if you reclass your kid you should be called out as a D!!k. Me and my son will work with it and move on but we are not sheep you just let the punks cut in line with out calling them out.

If you cut in line LOL

I feel badly for your son...why point out a kid? What value does that add? You sound like a jealous idiot. Move on and good luck to your son. If he is a good enough athlete it will all work out for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I feel badly for your son...why point out a kid? What value does that add? You sound like a jealous idiot. Move on and good luck to your son. If he is a good enough athlete it will all work out for him.

Really so why call out the cheater and his parents. Just sit back and take the raping. I guess pointing out injustices is a bad thing to you. And if reclassifying is cool with everyone they should not be upset with being called out.

AGE MATTERS, particularly when talking about 14 versus 16 year old boys.

It matters if you are not an elite player.

Love crazy parents. Had a tournament this week and the crazy parents were almost as good of a show as the Lacrosse game. This board is the same. LOL. Keep your kids grades up as there is no money in Lacrosse. But please keep complaining as it is entertaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It matters if you are not an elite player.

To finish your thought: ...so you should reclass, and try to look better among younger and less developed children.

No, if you are a truly good player, you can compete with older players. Perhaps there is another sport your son can play? I see hockey mentioned as an on-age sport. Go enjoy or stop complaining and have your son work to improve and compete. This is the real world

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, if you are a truly good player, you can compete with older players. Perhaps there is another sport your son can play? I see hockey mentioned as an on-age sport. Go enjoy or stop complaining and have your son work to improve and compete. This is the real world

So I get the suck it up this is the real world talk. But I also think people should never let themselves be walked on or screwed over by others gaming a system. And I also agree if your son is a top 10% for a D1 class he will shine no matter if the age is off by 18 months. But I think the real fight is for the last 30% of each class for D1. Those are the kids who are getting crapped on the most. The none reclass kids who should be earning those last 3 spots at UVA or JHU are losing out to a swarm of reclass kids stealing their spots. Yes this is where you say suck it up its the real world. But also in the real world the squeaky wheel gets the grease. So us parents of kids in the last 30% group will try to squeak and get some grease. So also a life lesson. Also my son knows nothing of my squeaking and I do tell him as you all tell me this is the real world suck it up and get better. But someone has to keep saying something.

As someone who did a college sport, and not as an avid poster here, I have two problems with club lacrosse:
1. I honestly can't remember a time as a youth or a high schooler where I did something to be noticed. If you are competing the only important thing is to contribute all you can to winning. I was at a tournament last weekend where I doubt I observed a player, parent or club coach who could have cared less about a team winning. Only getting noticed. One club that lost most of their games over the weekend is quick early this week to tweet about being up to four kids committed as of another one yesterday. That's a pretty pathetic way to define being a winner.
2. Didn't look like any kids were having fun. Just looked to me like a job fair on muddy adjacent fields. I am so pissed all there is for kids like my son is playing for looks and hoping to get looks, etc. When that happens it is winning and when that doesn't happen it is depressing and losing to the kids.

Lacrosse is a terrible sport for youths and high schoolers. The 1% playing in college will probably have less fun when they get there, and the 99% who don't play college aren't being given an experience they will look back on with a lot of positives except for having teammates as friends while they did play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, if you are a truly good player, you can compete with older players. Perhaps there is another sport your son can play? I see hockey mentioned as an on-age sport. Go enjoy or stop complaining and have your son work to improve and compete. This is the real world

I love that this argument is being made on a board discussing the Crabs program. The hypocrisy! Has a player ever played up for the Crabs? Do they even allow it? I have watched your players reclassify over the years. They do so because they have to. If they don't, they will be cut or have their playing time taken by older kids that reclassify. I feel sorry for the players and their families.

Is Jake Reed worth it for a 2020?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Jake Reed worth it for a 2020?

absolutely not

Someone should just do a speed meeting night with coaches at a local Marriott. Have the kids and their dads go through a row meeting a coach and handing over a transcript, scores and a video reel. Charge $100 a head and process the herd through. Cheaper and easier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, if you are a truly good player, you can compete with older players. Perhaps there is another sport your son can play? I see hockey mentioned as an on-age sport. Go enjoy or stop complaining and have your son work to improve and compete. This is the real world

I love that this argument is being made on a board discussing the Crabs program. The hypocrisy! Has a player ever played up for the Crabs? Do they even allow it? I have watched your players reclassify over the years. They do so because they have to. If they don't, they will be cut or have their playing time taken by older kids that reclassify. I feel sorry for the players and their families.

Kids absolutely do play up for Crabs. Sorry to bust your bubble. Obviously not going to name names, but it happens all the time.

It isn't the real world. It's a youth sport. The reasoning that a kid absurdly older for his grade because he repeated grades isn't truly special or good to be blowing up kids much younger and less mature. There are some very talented kids who can play up ages and grades, and then here are the other 90%+ of the kids playing the game. Modeling the sport for the wants and needs of only 5% or 10% of the people who participate is the reason why sports like lacrosse struggle to grow after an early growth phase. Lacrosse could easily grow to be as large as youth baseball or soccer, but has no chance to structured as-is. There are only bad arguments to preserve and protect this grade based scheme to allow bargains for kids to play down. There isn't anything positive that comes of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As someone who did a college sport, and not as an avid poster here, I have two problems with club lacrosse:
1. I honestly can't remember a time as a youth or a high schooler where I did something to be noticed. If you are competing the only important thing is to contribute all you can to winning. I was at a tournament last weekend where I doubt I observed a player, parent or club coach who could have cared less about a team winning. Only getting noticed. One club that lost most of their games over the weekend is quick early this week to tweet about being up to four kids committed as of another one yesterday. That's a pretty pathetic way to define being a winner.
2. Didn't look like any kids were having fun. Just looked to me like a job fair on muddy adjacent fields. I am so pissed all there is for kids like my son is playing for looks and hoping to get looks, etc. When that happens it is winning and when that doesn't happen it is depressing and losing to the kids.

Lacrosse is a terrible sport for youths and high schoolers. The 1% playing in college will probably have less fun when they get there, and the 99% who don't play college aren't being given an experience they will look back on with a lot of positives except for having teammates as friends while they did play.

Great post... I agree. Some programs do get it right... FCA is pretty good at keeping perspective. There are some great lacrosse players in the FCA program - dont get me wrong. But for the good to middling players (my kid), he gets a chance to compete, play a great game, and prep himself for his high school team where the kids really do play for each other. But again... I agree with your post.

[/quote]Kids absolutely do play up for Crabs. Sorry to bust your bubble. Obviously not going to name names, but it happens all the time. [/quote]

so your saying some Crabs players actually play at their own age? that is awesome.

Great post... I agree. Some programs do get it right... FCA is pretty good at keeping perspective. There are some great lacrosse players in the FCA program - dont get me wrong. But for the good to middling players (my kid), he gets a chance to compete, play a great game, and prep himself for his high school team where the kids really do play for each other. But again... I agree with your post. [/quote]

I should look into FCA for my younger son. Just need something else for him after watching this circus for my older one. Does FCA do multiple teams in case my younger boy is not strong enough to make the main team as an average player? At the young ages it makes no sense to cut off the kids who are not the top 8 or 9 year olds. I get that for older ages doing one team is neeed. Do more teams for the little guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Jake Reed worth it for a 2020?

absolutely not

Just curious why not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great post... I agree. Some programs do get it right... FCA is pretty good at keeping perspective. There are some great lacrosse players in the FCA program - dont get me wrong. But for the good to middling players (my kid), he gets a chance to compete, play a great game, and prep himself for his high school team where the kids really do play for each other. But again... I agree with your post.

I should look into FCA for my younger son. Just need something else for him after watching this circus for my older one. Does FCA do multiple teams in case my younger boy is not strong enough to make the main team as an average player? At the young ages it makes no sense to cut off the kids who are not the top 8 or 9 year olds. I get that for older ages doing one team is neeed. Do more teams for the little guys. [/quote]
Can you let us know what evil poorly run club your older son plays for? I have watched tons of club lacrosse and even for the high school only tournaments that do not have brackets I see all the kids and coaches caring about winning and trying to do everything they can to win games that do not even get you to a championship game. Correct after the game is over the kids are over it if they lose or win in about 2 mins. But I think that is what all travel ball should be. To play hard and try to get better. But like its always been the high school games are the games that should hurt or feel better when the team wins. But fall and summer should be about playing hard and getting better as a player. And that means playing team ball and the top teams I see all play team ball even the ones with 4 to 8 D1 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Jake Reed worth it for a 2020?

absolutely not

Just curious why not?

Well if you play for a top 20 club team its really not worth it at this age. And there is a ton of local and cheaper showcase events that start for this age group this summer. Also do you think you son can be in the elite group of early fall verbals next year if you think he is go ahead and pay the money now because you can save it later because he will already be a Verbal and he can sit out the showcases later on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Jake Reed worth it for a 2020?

absolutely not

Just curious why not?

Well if you play for a top 20 club team its really not worth it at this age. And there is a ton of local and cheaper showcase events that start for this age group this summer. Also do you think you son can be in the elite group of early fall verbals next year if you think he is go ahead and pay the money now because you can save it later because he will already be a Verbal and he can sit out the showcases later on.

8th grader.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great post... I agree. Some programs do get it right... FCA is pretty good at keeping perspective. There are some great lacrosse players in the FCA program - dont get me wrong. But for the good to middling players (my kid), he gets a chance to compete, play a great game, and prep himself for his high school team where the kids really do play for each other. But again... I agree with your post.

I should look into FCA for my younger son. Just need something else for him after watching this circus for my older one. Does FCA do multiple teams in case my younger boy is not strong enough to make the main team as an average player? At the young ages it makes no sense to cut off the kids who are not the top 8 or 9 year olds. I get that for older ages doing one team is neeed. Do more teams for the little guys. [/quote]

There a a lot of good clubs out there that play B or low A tournaments. Wolfpack, Koopers, Laxworld, Looney had a B team, What county do you live in? Baltimore county has Ground control out of Essex. B level but still fun. Not everyone is a D1 candidate. Your kids is allowed to have fun and play club lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, if you are a truly good player, you can compete with older players. Perhaps there is another sport your son can play? I see hockey mentioned as an on-age sport. Go enjoy or stop complaining and have your son work to improve and compete. This is the real world

I love that this argument is being made on a board discussing the Crabs program. The hypocrisy! Has a player ever played up for the Crabs? Do they even allow it? I have watched your players reclassify over the years. They do so because they have to. If they don't, they will be cut or have their playing time taken by older kids that reclassify. I feel sorry for the players and their families.

Kids absolutely do play up for Crabs. Sorry to bust your bubble. Obviously not going to name names, but it happens all the time.

I am pretty familiar with the Crabs teams 2018-2020 and to my knowledge, only one player has ever played up.

It would be the most Ryan McClernan thing ever to put one kid who is a year too young for the grade on one grade based team for one season to be able to say forever and ever that kids do play up at his club.

I liked his routine a lot more when he was just a junk bond salesman running a lacrosse club on the side.

I don't know about FCA. Seeing them at a tourney recently, I would guess a third of their 6th grade team is older than on-age kids.

LOL at those who say FCA is different. One, they have a TON of reclassed kids on their teams. Not surprising given the number of kids affiliated with Calvert Hall and other parochial schools where reclassing is encouraged.

Second, please don't pretend that FCA is a kindler, gentler club. Their parents are just as obnoxious as any other club's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL at those who say FCA is different. One, they have a TON of reclassed kids on their teams. Not surprising given the number of kids affiliated with Calvert Hall and other parochial schools where reclassing is encouraged.

Second, please don't pretend that FCA is a kindler, gentler club. Their parents are just as obnoxious as any other club's.

I am still amazed that people have a hard time believing clubs take the best kids possible that meet the regulations for most leagues and tournaments. All clubs will take holdbacks since it is within the rules. Clubs are not forcing kids to do this. The parents see the advantage and take it. Can we move on?

You're right, like with private schools which don't have public school rules against repeating grades for non-academic reasons the current club lacrosse scene has no age rules for grade based teams. That is the problem. Club lacrosse is not a scholastic sport. Other youth sports are age based for good reasons (fairness, safety, simplicity, etc.). Your point isn't a valid point. Of course club owners at least tacitly encourage holdbacks by doing grade based teams to begin with. Many clubs go beyond that to counsel kids and parents to reclassify to gain a recruiting edge. It does come down to parents seeing and then doing it for an advantage, but that does nothing to argue that the clubs are providing this forum with clean hands. The argument that anyone who has a problem with it should just have their kid go play another sport is also an argument around the point -- and not one that addresses the point.

Another great way to make sure Baltimore and DMV kids keep contesting college lacrosse rosters and "getting committed" in 8th or 9th grade is to keep this exact system in place. It will be effective to drive other kids out of the sport and bring it back to the third tier preppy sport in a few small locales people laughed at 10-15 years ago. Youth lacrosse could be like soccer in terms of wide popularity and participation for both boys and girls, but it just sounds like the B'awlmore old farts want their 1980s sport back.

[quote=Anonymous]It would be the most Ryan McClernan thing ever to put one kid who is a year too young for the grade on one grade based team for one season to be able to say forever and ever that kids do play up at his club.

That has happened far more often than people know or want to know. It is very convenient to have someone to rail against.

It does not. I have had three kids in the club system for the last 7 years, and I am not snarky about it but have watched the rosters since these teams went to grade based. I have not spotted a single Crabs kid on a grade team roster who was a calendar year young for his grade. With pre-first done so frequently in Baltimore it would be scarce to find one and one other poster wrote and I trust there was just one in the recent 2 years since grade based teams.

Now I do remember a number of standout kids who played up when it was U-9, U-11, U-13 and U-15. Back when the teams were age based the status symbol was for a standout kid to play up.

I think you are pointing to that era, and not this grade based regime which is only 2 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It does not. I have had three kids in the club system for the last 7 years, and I am not snarky about it but have watched the rosters since these teams went to grade based. I have not spotted a single Crabs kid on a grade team roster who was a calendar year young for his grade. With pre-first done so frequently in Baltimore it would be scarce to find one and one other poster wrote and I trust there was just one in the recent 2 years since grade based teams.

Now I do remember a number of standout kids who played up when it was U-9, U-11, U-13 and U-15. Back when the teams were age based the status symbol was for a standout kid to play up.

I think you are pointing to that era, and not this grade based regime which is only 2 years old.

I really wish we could go back to the old way. How can we make this happen? From what I read on here, the majority support age brackets vs grad year. They are our kids and we are the club consumer. How is it that this faulty system perpetuates?

I posted here when US Lacrosse published their Golden Stick guidelines for youth lacrosse leagues. Among other things it endorsed single calendar year gated youth teams for club and rec. The SINGLE year teams was designed to both promote having more teams and to promote less age variance on teams (the old argument that youngest U-13s, U-11s were much less mature with two year brackets). Within 2 weeks of the US Lacrosse publishing the NPYLL league announced grade based teams for every youth age, and the following week the HoCo league announced the same. The exact wording in the NPYLL announcement was that this move was to aid recruiting and also to enable doing more teams than the old U-15, U-13, etc. system...so the great thing was supposed to be it accomodated growth in the sport so that more kids could play, fewer kids would be cut from club teams and cut out and so on. To my memory the NPYLL move right on top of the USL announcement was the watershed event, and once the HoCo league added it seemed to viral out immediately across the country. But it started here less than 18 months ago.

Lacrosse parents are the underwriters of club lacrosse. It seems to me that there is a super majority of parents who have a vote to go to age based teams, but a very stubborn and determined minority who do want this for the advantages it may afford them for recruiting purposes. I doubt lacrosse parents have the moxie to go to Crabs, Madlax, et al and demand a change or else...or else just means you can leave and go try to start a parent league somewhere else and the club guys know nobody is that passionate and has the time to administer new leagues and all this involves.

I wrote to US Lacrosse and they shared my indignation, but little else. It seems nobody really listens to or respects them so any remedy would need to come from elsewhere. The NCAA coaches don't really want any involvement in administering or even taking a position on how club lacrosse works.

Quite honestly the best hope now is the women's NCAA coaches rule proposal goes into effect stating no recruiting or contact at all until September 1st of junior year for boys and girls. That would greatly diminish if not eliminate early recruiting, and let's face it that early recruiting is the only reason for the grades gamesmanship for advantage in the middle school and early high school ages. Kids would still reclassify a lot for the simple reason to be older and more mature for their grade on the sporting fields. But the instances of looking fabulous as a 15 year old 8th grader blowing up 13 year olds would be greatly discounted for recruiting purposes. Of course the same situation happens when they are older juniors, but I would argue that a 18 year old versus a 16 year old or a 19 year old versus a 17 year old in the upperclass years while still being an advantage will be less of one. If recruiting can't start until fall of junior year, positioning for that can happen but the indignation of the permanent earlier inequities such as "that kid cheating and holding back, getting a scholarship over my kid" stuff is moot for all parties. Hopefull that rule happens and club lacrosse takes a logical step to age based teams as a response. I don't see any other way it happens.

As one whose involved been involved in youth lacrosse the past 15 years, and an FCA and Calvert Hall parent, let me make some comments regarding this and many posts on clubs and holdbacks. Calvert Hall is high school only, so the only "holdbacks" to come in are from when the students were held back at their previous middle school. There are other schools that are K-12 where this occurs, but Calvert Hall has no influence and in fact takes the stance that it doesn't necessarily help. In some cases it may hurt down the road when a players potential has been reached in earlier grades. As for FCA, there are some that were held back previously, but there were several who actually play up. Particluarly last year there were 4 2020s playing on the 2019 FCA Blue team.

Regardless of age for a given grade, the same philosophy holds true for most clubs; they will mostly field the best players they can within the rules for a given event and team. If the game is winnable, the best players get the lions share of the PT. If the game is pretty much decided, the remaining players get their run.

As for FCA parents, lacrosse parents are lacrosse parents and some do behave irrationally during games. However, as a parent whose kids have played for several clubs, FCA works with the parents much more than just stating the obligatory "let the players play, the refs ref and the coaches coach" a few times a season. Still it's the adults responsibility to set the example.

What happened to the crabs 2023 team today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the crabs 2023 team today.

They lost 1 game

From what I hear the owner of the Crabs was a lunatic on the sidelines this past weekend at his own tourney! Why would anyone want their son to play for a man that clearly never or hardly ever played the game? I have seen him with a stick in his hand and its obvious he has no clue what he is doing. Why anyone would want their 8th grade son no matter what his age is playing for a man that yells, screams and belittle's kids in front of their teammates, parents, grandparents and friends? Don't be surprised if your son is completely burned out before he even sets foot on a college campus and potentially on a HS campus. What a joke!!

[quote=Anonymous]From what I hear the owner of the Crabs was a lunatic on the sidelines this past weekend at his own tourney! Why would anyone want their son to play for a man that clearly never or hardly ever played the game? I have seen him with a stick in his hand and its obvious he has no clue what he is doing. Why anyone would want their 8th grade son no matter what his age is playing for a man that yells, screams and belittle's kids in front of their teammates, parents, grandparents and friends? Don't be surprised if your son is completely burned out before he even sets foot on a college campus and potentially on a HS campus. What a joke!!

Said the dad who's kid got cut than just got beat by the Crabs. Now that's a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I hear the owner of the Crabs was a lunatic on the sidelines this past weekend at his own tourney! Why would anyone want their son to play for a man that clearly never or hardly ever played the game? I have seen him with a stick in his hand and its obvious he has no clue what he is doing. Why anyone would want their 8th grade son no matter what his age is playing for a man that yells, screams and belittle's kids in front of their teammates, parents, grandparents and friends? Don't be surprised if your son is completely burned out before he even sets foot on a college campus and potentially on a HS campus. What a joke!!

They've sent something like 400 kids to D1 programs. I think your prediction of their demise is greatly exaggerated.

Not sure, but I do think he played when he was younger. As for yelling, he yells a lot but so did the Looney's coaches. And many others I've heard over the years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I hear the owner of the Crabs was a lunatic on the sidelines this past weekend at his own tourney! Why would anyone want their son to play for a man that clearly never or hardly ever played the game? I have seen him with a stick in his hand and its obvious he has no clue what he is doing. Why anyone would want their 8th grade son no matter what his age is playing for a man that yells, screams and belittle's kids in front of their teammates, parents, grandparents and friends? Don't be surprised if your son is completely burned out before he even sets foot on a college campus and potentially on a HS campus. What a joke!!

They've sent something like 400 kids to D1 programs. I think your prediction of their demise is greatly exaggerated.

Not sure, but I do think he played when he was younger. As for yelling, he yells a lot but so did the Looney's coaches. And many others I've heard over the years.

...and if you are posting on what you "heard" and didnt "see" you might want to re-think your approach. What you didnt "see" was a team that played with an unmatched intensity and drive thru every minute of every game by every player on the team. Maybe you dont agree with his style but its hard to argue the outcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I hear the owner of the Crabs was a lunatic on the sidelines this past weekend at his own tourney! Why would anyone want their son to play for a man that clearly never or hardly ever played the game? I have seen him with a stick in his hand and its obvious he has no clue what he is doing. Why anyone would want their 8th grade son no matter what his age is playing for a man that yells, screams and belittle's kids in front of their teammates, parents, grandparents and friends? Don't be surprised if your son is completely burned out before he even sets foot on a college campus and potentially on a HS campus. What a joke!!

They've sent something like 400 kids to D1 programs. I think your prediction of their demise is greatly exaggerated.

Not sure, but I do think he played when he was younger. As for yelling, he yells a lot but so did the Looney's coaches. And many others I've heard over the years.

...and if you are posting on what you "heard" and didnt "see" you might want to re-think your approach. What you didnt "see" was a team that played with an unmatched intensity and drive thru every minute of every game by every player on the team. Maybe you dont agree with his style but its hard to argue the outcome.

people saw 15 year olds beat 13 & 14 year olds

Not just 15 year olds but 15 very very close to turning 16 playing against 13 and 14 year olds. This fat pos will do anything to win and I doubt he was a standout as a player. Look at his bio on the Crabs website, he is a total joke as far as thinking he has coached at a high level in the past. Fat crab daddy is about 5 ft 6 in and weights about 270, can't miss him on the sidelines, even when he is not yelling and putting down his players. Some of his former players may have made it to D1 but it wasn't because of him. Probably their hs coaches had a much stronger positive influence on them than the fat pos.

Ok. You mentioned he is fat three times. I guess that strengthens your argument that he can't coach and/or his club is no good. You convinced me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not just 15 year olds but 15 very very close to turning 16 playing against 13 and 14 year olds. This fat pos will do anything to win and I doubt he was a standout as a player. Look at his bio on the Crabs website, he is a total joke as far as thinking he has coached at a high level in the past. Fat crab daddy is about 5 ft 6 in and weights about 270, can't miss him on the sidelines, even when he is not yelling and putting down his players. Some of his former players may have made it to D1 but it wasn't because of him. Probably their hs coaches had a much stronger positive influence on them than the fat pos.

he isn't fat, just short for his weight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not just 15 year olds but 15 very very close to turning 16 playing against 13 and 14 year olds. This fat pos will do anything to win and I doubt he was a standout as a player. Look at his bio on the Crabs website, he is a total joke as far as thinking he has coached at a high level in the past. Fat crab daddy is about 5 ft 6 in and weights about 270, can't miss him on the sidelines, even when he is not yelling and putting down his players. Some of his former players may have made it to D1 but it wasn't because of him. Probably their hs coaches had a much stronger positive influence on them than the fat pos.

he isn't fat, just short for his weight.

I wouldn't say RM is fat but he does have more chins than a Hong Kong telephone directory.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. You mentioned he is fat three times. I guess that strengthens your argument that he can't coach and/or his club is no good. You convinced me.

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Correct, three times but only two times that he is a pos, should have mentioned this many more times because. this is what hhe is. What he has done to youth lacrosse is terrible, all for the money
He is the most hated person in youth lacrosse, except for the misguided who has filled thselves with his bs. The whole program is corrupt, lead by the fat pos
Opps,there fat again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. You mentioned he is fat three times. I guess that strengthens your argument that he can't coach and/or his club is no good. You convinced me.

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Correct, three times but only two times that he is a pos, should have mentioned this many more times because. this is what hhe is. What he has done to youth lacrosse is terrible, all for the money
He is the most hated person in youth lacrosse, except for the misguided who has filled thselves with his bs. The whole program is corrupt, lead by the fat pos
Opps,there fat again

Not fat, he would be average weight if he was 6'05"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. You mentioned he is fat three times. I guess that strengthens your argument that he can't coach and/or his club is no good. You convinced me.

I'd say the argument against this guy has to do with his new present and not his past. Yes, he was a dominant club. He was able to send kids to D1 schools. He did this alongside a few other clubs, as ALL kids playing lax had a few select programs to go through. NOW, with the rise of a few hundred clubs across the country, he started to lose his footing among lax greatness. Rather than accept that there was more competition, he started to encourage families to derail their kids academic path, leave their grade level friends behind, repeat a year of curriculum they already passed and play down with younger kids on his teams. Voila- he looks like a gem because he can put more pics on his site of champions and the money rolls in. Do some of the kids get D1 spots? You bet- but guess what- those kids are rostered among more than many that didn't need to do so. Talented kids win games and get recruited on their own. Only a business man looking to make money off of a kid would ask them to redo a year of their life. When push comes to shove- those talented kids will fair better as they never had to play down. Talent never needs to play with younger kids. Can you imagine a top school asking their gifted kids to give up their AP classes and repeat a grade so they can get higher scores for the school? That's what these coaches are now doing. It's a desperate move to stay relevant in the lax world and to keep a business stable. Competition became too much and his coaching and club couldn't stay on top with all the other competition. When his teams had to play against their peers, we saw what happens. Crabs need their older players or else they are just a competitive team. Competitive isn't bad, but it certainly wasn't making the owner the money he once was. It's all about money. You can't keep bringing it back to the past, when the club had much less competition to thrive. D1 kids come from all clubs now and most don't need to play with younger kids to do so. It's a sad day when a parent derails their kids academic path for a business. If you truly had faith in your kid, you'd know he could make it on his own. Your decision to have a kid play down speaks volumes to your faith in your kid. Your club owner is smiling though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. You mentioned he is fat three times. I guess that strengthens your argument that he can't coach and/or his club is no good. You convinced me.

I'd say the argument against this guy has to do with his new present and not his past. Yes, he was a dominant club. He was able to send kids to D1 schools. He did this alongside a few other clubs, as ALL kids playing lax had a few select programs to go through. NOW, with the rise of a few hundred clubs across the country, he started to lose his footing among lax greatness. Rather than accept that there was more competition, he started to encourage families to derail their kids academic path, leave their grade level friends behind, repeat a year of curriculum they already passed and play down with younger kids on his teams. Voila- he looks like a gem because he can put more pics on his site of champions and the money rolls in. Do some of the kids get D1 spots? You bet- but guess what- those kids are rostered among more than many that didn't need to do so. Talented kids win games and get recruited on their own. Only a business man looking to make money off of a kid would ask them to redo a year of their life. When push comes to shove- those talented kids will fair better as they never had to play down. Talent never needs to play with younger kids. Can you imagine a top school asking their gifted kids to give up their AP classes and repeat a grade so they can get higher scores for the school? That's what these coaches are now doing. It's a desperate move to stay relevant in the lax world and to keep a business stable. Competition became too much and his coaching and club couldn't stay on top with all the other competition. When his teams had to play against their peers, we saw what happens. Crabs need their older players or else they are just a competitive team. Competitive isn't bad, but it certainly wasn't making the owner the money he once was. It's all about money. You can't keep bringing it back to the past, when the club had much less competition to thrive. D1 kids come from all clubs now and most don't need to play with younger kids to do so. It's a sad day when a parent derails their kids academic path for a business. If you truly had faith in your kid, you'd know he could make it on his own. Your decision to have a kid play down speaks volumes to your faith in your kid. Your club owner is smiling though.

All fair points but its a top down deal not bottom up. College coaches are the making the market by recruiting 8th graders (regardless of age) and club coaches are supplying the best 8th graders. Yes its a business...sorry if you don't like capitalism. Also, its unfair to pigeonhole Crabs when many other clubs are doing the same thing.

Your kid got cut/did not make Crabs--we get that, now go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your kid got cut/did not make Crabs--we get that, now go away.

The poster above was correct and Crabs did ruin the youth lacrosse world in pursuit of money. Hard for some of those have drunk the kool aid to believe the rest of us have faith in our children and will not subject them to being a pawn in RMs game of filling his wallet. Nobody is jealous of Crabs and that is what the Crabs have a hard time understanding. By manipulating the rules in favor of yourselves you have become irrelevant to the rest of us - it is not talent although many of the kids are talented but you have tainted any talent by playing them against younger kids. it all catches up with you over time in more ways than just lacrosse.

My kid is on age, so are his teammates, they get oustanding coaching, Crabs is way cheaper than any other club program (and they give top of the line helmets and gloves for free to all new players) and he is getting fabulous exposure/competition. Again, sorry your kid did not make it, now please give it a rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is on age, so are his teammates, they get oustanding coaching, Crabs is way cheaper than any other club program (and they give top of the line helmets and gloves for free to all new players) and he is getting fabulous exposure/competition. Again, sorry your kid did not make it, now please give it a rest.

I am sure you are correct about the other stuff but there is no way your complete crabs team is on age. If you start school late it still makes you a year older then everyone.

Most Crabs teams have 2-3 kids who have reclassed. The most I have ever heard is a particular team having 5.

Anyone who objects to the reclass phenomenon is justified in doing so. But the Crabs are not guilty of having a team all of reclassed kids, so the venom is a bit misguided (and if you really care that much, Madlax has many more reclassed kids on their teams).

The point is college coaches want the best talent in a particular class, and they don't care if a kid is older or younger. That's the honest truth and if it upsets you, that's fine. But that's not going to change the current system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is on age, so are his teammates, they get oustanding coaching, Crabs is way cheaper than any other club program (and they give top of the line helmets and gloves for free to all new players) and he is getting fabulous exposure/competition. Again, sorry your kid did not make it, now please give it a rest.

Your son is on one of the younger teams! The reclassify starts around 8th grade, just look what your club did last beach lax! How would your son and you feel if your team brought 6 kids down from the older team for a tournament? Just wait it will happen.

I don't think Team 91 and the other teams up there are doing this. I think MD teams are into this 1) to try and keep up with the NY teams and 2) because public schools are so awful that most lax kids go private. The holdback thing is big among privates in all sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think Team 91 and the other teams up there are doing this. I think MD teams are into this 1) to try and keep up with the NY teams and 2) because public schools are so awful that most lax kids go private. The holdback thing is big among privates in all sports.

Spoken like a parent who doesn't know what he's talking about. First, the reclass thing is much more prevalent in PA and the NE. Second, Team 91 Crush has at least two reclassed kids, so it happens everywhere. Three, kids reclass for multiple reasons, but it's not because the Crabs can't compete without them.

Generally speaking, parents who send their kids to private schools have higher incomes. For whatever reason, it happens less often in NY partly because those parents generally speaking make less and thus private school is a less attractive option.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your kid got cut/did not make Crabs--we get that, now go away.

The poster above was correct and Crabs did ruin the youth lacrosse world in pursuit of money. Hard for some of those have drunk the kool aid to believe the rest of us have faith in our children and will not subject them to being a pawn in RMs game of filling his wallet. Nobody is jealous of Crabs and that is what the Crabs have a hard time understanding. By manipulating the rules in favor of yourselves you have become irrelevant to the rest of us - it is not talent although many of the kids are talented but you have tainted any talent by playing them against younger kids. it all catches up with you over time in more ways than just lacrosse.

I have a son on Crabs and a son on FCA. The FCA team has more holdbacks than the Crabs team. Both of my sons are on age for their grade. What Crabs parents get upset about on here is that Crabs is singled out for having holdbacks. All Baltimore /Maryland teams have holdbacks. So why is all the venom spewed towards Crabs and RM in particular? That's why it comes off as jealousy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think Team 91 and the other teams up there are doing this. I think MD teams are into this 1) to try and keep up with the NY teams and 2) because public schools are so awful that most lax kids go private. The holdback thing is big among privates in all sports.

Apparently 91 is doing it as well now, not the younger teams but 2020 and up

And I think Summer bdays and held-back kids are more and more prevalent outside the hotbeds. The crazy thing to me is that in my smaller city it's the parents who were big-time DI athletes that hold their kids back!

Agree. My buddy was a D1 lax player and just had a kid on Monday 11-16-15. He plans on holding his son back one maybe two grades. He is 6-3 and his wife is 6 foot. Should be funny in a during the middle school years. lol

Serious question - does any other club team have the kind of relationship with a school like the Crabs have with Boys Latin? They seem rather cozy....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question - does any other club team have the kind of relationship with a school like the Crabs have with Boys Latin? They seem rather cozy....

fca and calvert hall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your kid got cut/did not make Crabs--we get that, now go away.

The poster above was correct and Crabs did ruin the youth lacrosse world in pursuit of money. Hard for some of those have drunk the kool aid to believe the rest of us have faith in our children and will not subject them to being a pawn in RMs game of filling his wallet. Nobody is jealous of Crabs and that is what the Crabs have a hard time understanding. By manipulating the rules in favor of yourselves you have become irrelevant to the rest of us - it is not talent although many of the kids are talented but you have tainted any talent by playing them against younger kids. it all catches up with you over time in more ways than just lacrosse.

I have a son on Crabs and a son on FCA. The FCA team has more holdbacks than the Crabs team. Both of my sons are on age for their grade. What Crabs parents get upset about on here is that Crabs is singled out for having holdbacks. All Baltimore /Maryland teams have holdbacks. So why is all the venom spewed towards Crabs and RM in particular? That's why it comes off as jealousy.

What grade teams are you talking about. Doubt that FCA has more than Crabs in majority of Teams. Cherry pick a team maybe.... The problem with many in reference to Crabs is the cesspool that Lacrosse has become. RM is one of leading drivers of Holdbacks..He has no problem telling parents that. I have heard him many times giving the same drivel. Now that it is out there many clubs are grabbing these players.
Everyone knows Crabs are the leaders in having holdbacks..The release of Tournament rooster temporary confirmed it.

Where is this roster everyone keeps mentioning? Lets see the birthdates if it really exists...

I think RM had a good thing going with the Crabs...a top notch lacrosse program, high level instruction...then his focus shifted from advancing the game of lacrosse and putting the best team on the field to a pure profit motive. The better the Crabs teams perform, the more exposure they get and the more $ he makes from camps, tournaments, etc... Teams are better to some extent because they are older (there are good players held back and on-age)...club lacrosse has become a cesspool and RM is now the ambassador of greed, attempting to hide his greed thru false passion. And please don't get me started on 3D, they are the biggest frauds in the lacrosse world

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question - does any other club team have the kind of relationship with a school like the Crabs have with Boys Latin? They seem rather cozy....

fca and calvert hall

Amen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question - does any other club team have the kind of relationship with a school like the Crabs have with Boys Latin? They seem rather cozy....

What exactly do you think the relationship is? That they practice there? That a few of the coaches work at BL? It's not like BL kids have an advantage in terms of making the teams. Most teams only have a few BL kids, if that.

FCA and Calvert Hall have a much closer relationship than Crabs and BL. Bob Shriver prior and currently Brian Farrell do not have anything to do with running/coaching Crabs. The Kellys are all over FCAs coaching staffs

Harford Mavericks and John Carrol. Maverick are tight with C Milton as well. If you are not on the Mavericks you do not play in HS. Even if you are better.

Rock and Fallston

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think RM had a good thing going with the Crabs...a top notch lacrosse program, high level instruction...then his focus shifted from advancing the game of lacrosse and putting the best team on the field to a pure profit motive. The better the Crabs teams perform, the more exposure they get and the more $ he makes from camps, tournaments, etc... Teams are better to some extent because they are older (there are good players held back and on-age)...club lacrosse has become a cesspool and RM is now the ambassador of greed, attempting to hide his greed thru false passion. And please don't get me started on 3D, they are the biggest frauds in the lacrosse world

Well said.. Crabs were top notch with their U13AA and U15AA teams..Really good teams and all on age. Now with RM's grade base push, Crabs youth lacrosse has become to many a disgusting display of gaming the system.

I think since the Crabs are still the biggest draw for most kids despite the FCA program being pretty comparable. They have the most holdbacks of kids that do not need to holdback. Thus, their holdbacks are more advanced than your holdbacks. They have players that are competitive on age, but their parents / program owner wants them to be dominant kids and really standout. They are physically capable of competing with their peers. The other clubs have ample holdbacks as well, but more along the lines of cannot compete with their peers and therefore holdback. The holdbacks are less apparent - physically on other clubs. I have seen this first hand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think since the Crabs are still the biggest draw for most kids despite the FCA program being pretty comparable. They have the most holdbacks of kids that do not need to holdback. Thus, their holdbacks are more advanced than your holdbacks. They have players that are competitive on age, but their parents / program owner wants them to be dominant kids and really standout. They are physically capable of competing with their peers. The other clubs have ample holdbacks as well, but more along the lines of cannot compete with their peers and therefore holdback. The holdbacks are less apparent - physically on other clubs. I have seen this first hand.

That's even more disgusting. Parents and club owners holding their children back to play younger kids for no good reason. That is pathetic. No respect for Crabs.

I think it is interesting that the Crabs seem to have a pretty cozy relationship with BL. How many players on the Crabs go to BL and reclassified. I don't know the answer - but - BL ain't cheap and RM convincing a kids family to hold their kid back a year or too sure doesn't hurt BL's bottom line.

Seriously. FCA and Madlax have a ton more holdbacks than Crabs. I would be Dukes has more as well, but not sure about that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it is interesting that the Crabs seem to have a pretty cozy relationship with BL. How many players on the Crabs go to BL and reclassified. I don't know the answer - but - BL ain't cheap and RM convincing a kids family to hold their kid back a year or too sure doesn't hurt BL's bottom line.

You are way off base. At most there are probably 4 BL kids on any Crabs team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question - does any other club team have the kind of relationship with a school like the Crabs have with Boys Latin? They seem rather cozy....

Bitmore and Catonsville HS.

4 kids each team and 2 get held back - that's 100k right there for BL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously. FCA and Madlax have a ton more holdbacks than Crabs. I would be Dukes has more as well, but not sure about that.

Great. Playing the Dukes this weekend with a bunch of kids playing up. Yikes.

Yeah, We are playing the 16-17 Dukes this weekend with 2017 and mostly 2018 kids. Should be fun to see how we do against 18 and 19 year old HS kids.

I'm a 2017 dad still driving son to events. He turned 16 less than 6 months ago and still stuck with learners permit until XMas.

The greatest benefit to this lacrosse repeat grades thing is your kid can drive himself to these events. It is likely also worth more than the glorified meal plan equivalent scholarships for lacrosse that are out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question - does any other club team have the kind of relationship with a school like the Crabs have with Boys Latin? They seem rather cozy....

What exactly do you think the relationship is? That they practice there? That a few of the coaches work at BL? It's not like BL kids have an advantage in terms of making the teams. Most teams only have a few BL kids, if that.

FCA and Calvert Hall have a much closer relationship than Crabs and BL. Bob Shriver prior and currently Brian Farrell do not have anything to do with running/coaching Crabs. The Kellys are all over FCAs coaching staffs

Most of the crabs kids go to BL and most of the FCA kids go to Calvert Hall or loyola. Does looneys have any affiliation with a high school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question - does any other club team have the kind of relationship with a school like the Crabs have with Boys Latin? They seem rather cozy....

What exactly do you think the relationship is? That they practice there? That a few of the coaches work at BL? It's not like BL kids have an advantage in terms of making the teams. Most teams only have a few BL kids, if that.

FCA and Calvert Hall have a much closer relationship than Crabs and BL. Bob Shriver prior and currently Brian Farrell do not have anything to do with running/coaching Crabs. The Kellys are all over FCAs coaching staffs

Most of the crabs kids go to BL and most of the FCA kids go to Calvert Hall or loyola. Does looneys have any affiliation with a high school?

Looney's have a lot of kids who go to Loyola, no real affiliation though.

What ever happened to Admirals Cup Lacrosse Club? They practiced out of BL if i remember right

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What ever happened to Admirals Cup Lacrosse Club? They practiced out of BL if i remember right

think they are Lax World now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What ever happened to Admirals Cup Lacrosse Club? They practiced out of BL if i remember right

think they are Lax World now

That's correct. They merged with Lax World a couple years ago

They have 12 hold backs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have 12 hold backs!

Only 12? must be the crabs "B" team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They have 12 hold backs!

Only 12? must be the crabs "B" team [Difference is theirs can't play./quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is on age, so are his teammates, they get oustanding coaching, Crabs is way cheaper than any other club program (and they give top of the line helmets and gloves for free to all new players) and he is getting fabulous exposure/competition. Again, sorry your kid did not make it, now please give it a rest.

I'm calling BS on this one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is on age, so are his teammates, they get oustanding coaching, Crabs is way cheaper than any other club program (and they give top of the line helmets and gloves for free to all new players) and he is getting fabulous exposure/competition. Again, sorry your kid did not make it, now please give it a rest.

I'm calling BS on this one

Yeah, I am a crabs parent and I will admit that there is no team that all kids are on age. My son is on age. MOST of his teammates are as well. There are 5 kids with spring summer birthdays that went to prefirst on his team. Not in 8th grade yet so no holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is on age, so are his teammates, they get oustanding coaching, Crabs is way cheaper than any other club program (and they give top of the line helmets and gloves for free to all new players) and he is getting fabulous exposure/competition. Again, sorry your kid did not make it, now please give it a rest.

I'm calling BS on this one

Yeah, I am a crabs parent and I will admit that there is no team that all kids are on age. My son is on age. MOST of his teammates are as well. There are 5 kids with spring summer birthdays that went to prefirst on his team. Not in 8th grade yet so no holdbacks.

Right there confirms what most people think about Crabs and Holdbacks..
Your before 8 grade team already has 5 holdbacks . That could be half the starting team held back. Advantage there??? of course..
Each year as you get closer to 9th grade there will be more and at 8-9th grade when many kids are held back..Even more holdbacks added to Crabs.. At that point it well could be at least 3/4 if not entire starting line up heldbacks....Advatage?? Big time...

Most common sense people find this out of wack with youth athletics...Get your advantage in HS not youth athletics..

How 2020 ex-Crabs players did FCA, 91 MD and Looney's acquire either because kids lost significant playing time to a holdback or were cut due to holdbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How 2020 ex-Crabs players did FCA, 91 MD and Looney's acquire either because kids lost significant playing time to a holdback or were cut due to holdbacks?

Don't have the answer to that- but to me, that is one of the saddest parts of the holdback situation. Kids that choose to play age appropriate and are solid to great players lose their spots to bigger, stronger holdbacks for no other reason other than that they hit puberty first. And... I am not saying this because my kid got cut- my kid lives no where near this crazy team/club and has always played more than competitively against the Crabs. Heard a few good players were cut, but one specifically I heard had to find a new team, and that one especially boggled my mind. Also saw how many of the kids sat on sidelines never seeing the field during the tighter games. Sad for those kids that are stuck in a bad situation, but I think it will eventually right itself in the future, as kids will all eventually go through puberty and talented kids do not lose their skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How 2020 ex-Crabs players did FCA, 91 MD and Looney's acquire either because kids lost significant playing time to a holdback or were cut due to holdbacks?

Don't have the answer to that- but to me, that is one of the saddest parts of the holdback situation. Kids that choose to play age appropriate and are solid to great players lose their spots to bigger, stronger holdbacks for no other reason other than that they hit puberty first. And... I am not saying this because my kid got cut- my kid lives no where near this crazy team/club and has always played more than competitively against the Crabs. Heard a few good players were cut, but one specifically I heard had to find a new team, and that one especially boggled my mind. Also saw how many of the kids sat on
sidelines never seeing the field during the tighter games. Sad for those kids that are stuck in a bad situation, but I think it will eventually right itself in the future, as kids will all eventually go through puberty and talented kids do not lose their skills.

Even daddy ball exist there too. Some kids shouldn't be on team. Others cut that should still be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How 2020 ex-Crabs players did FCA, 91 MD and Looney's acquire either because kids lost significant playing time to a holdback or were cut due to holdbacks?

Don't have the answer to that- but to me, that is one of the saddest parts of the holdback situation. Kids that choose to play age appropriate and are solid to great players lose their spots to bigger, stronger holdbacks for no other reason other than that they hit puberty first. And... I am not saying this because my kid got cut- my kid lives no where near this crazy team/club and has always played more than competitively against the Crabs. Heard a few good players were cut, but one specifically I heard had to find a new team, and that one especially boggled my mind. Also saw how many of the kids sat on sidelines never seeing the field during the tighter games. Sad for those kids that are stuck in a bad situation, but I think it will eventually right itself in the future, as kids will all eventually go through puberty and talented kids do not lose their skills.

If they were "great" players...they would still be on the team. Even if Under aged....calling BS here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How 2020 ex-Crabs players did FCA, 91 MD and Looney's acquire either because kids lost significant playing time to a holdback or were cut due to holdbacks?

Don't have the answer to that- but to me, that is one of the saddest parts of the holdback situation. Kids that choose to play age appropriate and are solid to great players lose their spots to bigger, stronger holdbacks for no other reason other than that they hit puberty first. And... I am not saying this because my kid got cut- my kid lives no where near this crazy team/club and has always played more than competitively against the Crabs. Heard a few good players were cut, but one specifically I heard had to find a new team, and that one especially boggled my mind. Also saw how many of the kids sat on sidelines never seeing the field during the tighter games. Sad for those kids that are stuck in a bad situation, but I think it will eventually right itself in the future, as kids will all eventually go through puberty and talented kids do not lose their skills.

If they were "great" players...they would still be on the team. Even if Under aged....calling BS here.

Great player pre-puberty loses to great player who started puberty every time

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

Good for the parents of the two that did not who were not willing to sacrifice their sons self worth and academics for the chance to be part of an organization that does not have the kids overall well being as it's focal point. The man thinks he can do whatever he wants in terms of kid's futures, his own field behavior, rigging his tournaments to make his teams look better....the list goes on and it is nice to see some parents say "no thank you, our kids are worth more."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

Agree. Love chasing the partial scholarship. Better to play age with a lesser team and get a tudor to keep the grades up. Crabs can keep their crazy culture. Before you say it, never tried out for any of the crab, madlax or 91. My kids will go merit scholarship and remember club lax as fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

Not a complete lie-fortunatley names and initials can not be shared here. Thankfully the two had enough guts to leave. Add those to the 3 who were 2019 last year and joined the 2020s and the kids who were already older and amazing how good the team becomes and how many of the on age kids lose playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

Well the board does not let us put names or more facts without taking them off. I agree with the why but I am sure we could have the facts if the board aloud it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

This is complete BS. There is not a single player that was on Crabs 2020 last year that is on Crabs 2021 this year. Feel free to check the rosters. They are both online.

Stop making crap up to support your baseless claim that Crabs has more holdbacks than any other club or forces kids to repeat grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

Not a complete lie-fortunatley names and initials can not be shared here. Thankfully the two had enough guts to leave. Add those to the 3 who were 2019 last year and joined the 2020s and the kids who were already older and amazing how good the team becomes and how many of the on age kids lose playing time.

It is a complete lie you jackass. Both last years 2020 roster and this year's 2021 roster are easily accessed online. No need to post names here. Not that there are any to post since there is not a single player on both rosters.

Stop making [lacrosse] up loser. Try again next year, maybe your son won't get cut.

Dont know who was cut and who chose to leave, do know that FCA picked up a very good middie and Looney's pick up a very good goalie from crabs. Both kids are very good players and it will come back to haunt the crabby patties later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

Well the board does not let us put names or more facts without taking them off. I agree with the why but I am sure we could have the facts if the board aloud it

The problem with this forum is that there is zero accountability for what is written due to the anonymous posting. Even forcing some type of handle in order to post would at least allow people to know which posters are prone to BS. Because there is no accountability you can not accept anything written here as fact. Crabs, like most clubs, have kids that did prefirst and some that repeat 8th grade. Ironically the trend to grade based segmentation started on Long Island. Crabs was relatively late to change as last year was the 1st to have all teams by grade. 2014 they had 2020,2021. This isn't to defend Crabs. No kid in the program and not friends with coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. Love chasing the partial scholarship. Better to play age with a lesser team and get a tudor to keep the grades up. Crabs can keep their crazy culture. Before you say it, never tried out for any of the crab, madlax or 91. My kids will go merit scholarship and remember club lax as fun.

You better get a tutor (not your version of tudor)...if your kid is like you, he will be fixing my kids car in a few years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. Love chasing the partial scholarship. Better to play age with a lesser team and get a tudor to keep the grades up. Crabs can keep their crazy culture. Before you say it, never tried out for any of the crab, madlax or 91. My kids will go merit scholarship and remember club lax as fun.

You better get a tutor (not your version of tudor)...if your kid is like you, he will be fixing my kids car in a few years

Probably bang your kids wife as well

You, too, would benefit from a tutor: "my kids car [sic]." Ever hear of the possessive? Don't be so quick to throw stones...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You, too, would benefit from a tutor: "my kids car [sic]." Ever hear of the possessive? Don't be so quick to throw stones...

touche, well played. Now I have to go home and watch over my wife and daughter before some illiterate landscaper from LI comes knocking on my door!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

I spoke directly with one of the parents (one that did not reclass), and I don't know why they would lie about that. I guess maybe they would, but it is CLEAR that the Crabs have plenty of held back kids. so if it looks like a zebra...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

I spoke directly with one of the parents (one that did not reclass), and I don't know why they would lie about that. I guess maybe they would, but it is CLEAR that the Crabs have plenty of held back kids. so if it looks like a zebra...

No kid on Crabs 2021 has repeated a grade. Your statement was that Crabs(Ryan) forced 4 kids from last year's 2020 team to reclass. This is an outright lie.

Stop spreading lies and rumors that your "heard on a sideline". What is CLEAR is that you have an ax to grind with the program and would try to pass of lies as fact on an anonymous message board. Stay Classy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

I spoke directly with one of the parents (one that did not reclass), and I don't know why they would lie about that. I guess maybe they would, but it is CLEAR that the Crabs have plenty of held back kids. so if it looks like a zebra...

So they are current 2020s who have to reclass if they want to stay on Crabs next year or they reclassed for this year to 2021? It is interesting to check out Hudl. There are several current Crabs 2020 players still showing up on 2019 roster and one even on a 2021 roster which is clearly a mistake but it must be all very hard to keep track of. Also having two numbers on Hudl is a bit of a giveaway if being 6' 1" and 180 pounds as an 8th grader is not a bit suspect already. Just as an fyi..the cached roster sorting does not seem to catch up every time.

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

They must be playing B. Laxachuetts, Dukes and Leading Edge 2018 and 2019 would smoke the 2020 crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

I spoke directly with one of the parents (one that did not reclass), and I don't know why they would lie about that. I guess maybe they would, but it is CLEAR that the Crabs have plenty of held back kids. so if it looks like a zebra...

No kid on Crabs 2021 has repeated a grade. Your statement was that Crabs(Ryan) forced 4 kids from last year's 2020 team to reclass. This is an outright lie.

Stop spreading lies and rumors that your "heard on a sideline". What is CLEAR is that you have an ax to grind with the program and would try to pass of lies as fact on an anonymous message board. Stay Classy.

Not from Maryland and I am not the original poster. My son's team played in Maryland 2 weekends ago in a u15 tournament. One of the players on one our opponent's teams had a yellow helmet. According to his parents, the Crabs told them that their son either had to reclass to 2021 or find another organization. They said they chose to find another organization. Seems like there is at least some truth to the accusation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

I spoke directly with one of the parents (one that did not reclass), and I don't know why they would lie about that. I guess maybe they would, but it is CLEAR that the Crabs have plenty of held back kids. so if it looks like a zebra...

No kid on Crabs 2021 has repeated a grade. Your statement was that Crabs(Ryan) forced 4 kids from last year's 2020 team to reclass. This is an outright lie.

Stop spreading lies and rumors that your "heard on a sideline". What is CLEAR is that you have an ax to grind with the program and would try to pass of lies as fact on an anonymous message board. Stay Classy.

Not from Maryland and I am not the original poster. My son's team played in Maryland 2 weekends ago in a u15 tournament. One of the players on one our opponent's teams had a yellow helmet. According to his parents, the Crabs told them that their son either had to reclass to 2021 or find another organization. They said they chose to find another organization. Seems like there is at least some truth to the accusation.

absolutely true, I know a kid who lost his position to a 2019 player who reclassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

I spoke directly with one of the parents (one that did not reclass), and I don't know why they would lie about that. I guess maybe they would, but it is CLEAR that the Crabs have plenty of held back kids. so if it looks like a zebra...

No kid on Crabs 2021 has repeated a grade. Your statement was that Crabs(Ryan) forced 4 kids from last year's 2020 team to reclass. This is an outright lie.

Stop spreading lies and rumors that your "heard on a sideline". What is CLEAR is that you have an ax to grind with the program and would try to pass of lies as fact on an anonymous message board. Stay Classy.

Not from Maryland and I am not the original poster. My son's team played in Maryland 2 weekends ago in a u15 tournament. One of the players on one our opponent's teams had a yellow helmet. According to his parents, the Crabs told them that their son either had to reclass to 2021 or find another organization. They said they chose to find another organization. Seems like there is at least some truth to the accusation.

The poster who said "this is a complete lie you jackass", well he is the jackass. Crabs has a boatload of holdbacks, this is the way that sh#$%hole organization works. And if it was 2020 players last year who were told they need to reclass or find another team, well that is no other than Ryan M, the fat [lacrosse] crab daddy coach. It is a known fact that the present 2021 team has 5 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks, I know one of the holdbacks. The only ones who come on this forum and deny that this is happening is either coaches/admin of Crabs or the parents who want to deny that their son is a holdback. The poster that stated that no one on present Crabs 2020 is 15 is most likely correct, it's just that a few are a few months of turning 15 and they will be 15 next spring. Again, if this isn't true Crabs should show their rosters, names excluded, just show date of birth. Crabs is a pos organization, all for the $$$.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

Its fall ..I still am surprised that no one is 15 yet..But give it a few months and they will start turning 15 and by next Spring and Summer your statement will be completely false..They will have plenty of kids 15...All the prefirst kids will be 15 on 2020..And spare me they are only summer birthdays. We all know better... And in Crab land it is optimal for 15 year old kids to play against 13 and 14 year old kids..RM said that is the Crab way,,,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

Its fall ..I still am surprised that no one is 15 yet..But give it a few months and they will start turning 15 and by next Spring and Summer your statement will be completely false..They will have plenty of kids 15...All the prefirst kids will be 15 on 2020..And spare me they are only summer birthdays. We all know better... And in Crab land it is optimal for 15 year old kids to play against 13 and 14 year old kids..RM said that is the Crab way,,,

And exactly what tournaments were those ?? 18's lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

Its fall ..I still am surprised that no one is 15 yet..But give it a few months and they will start turning 15 and by next Spring and Summer your statement will be completely false..They will have plenty of kids 15...All the prefirst kids will be 15 on 2020..And spare me they are only summer birthdays. We all know better... And in Crab land it is optimal for 15 year old kids to play against 13 and 14 year old kids..RM said that is the Crab way,,,

By next summer all will be 14 or close to it. If it was still U15 would there be a controversy? There wasn't when my older kids were in 8th grade and playing U15 a few years ago. Pre-first and reclassing aren't new inventions. At some point if your kid is tracking to be an impact HS player and potentially a college player you should let go of your hang-ups about playing with and against kids a year or even some close to 2 years older. He probably doesn't care unless you put it in his head. BTW my kids are public school kids, No hold back and never Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

Its fall ..I still am surprised that no one is 15 yet..But give it a few months and they will start turning 15 and by next Spring and Summer your statement will be completely false..They will have plenty of kids 15...All the prefirst kids will be 15 on 2020..And spare me they are only summer birthdays. We all know better... And in Crab land it is optimal for 15 year old kids to play against 13 and 14 year old kids..RM said that is the Crab way,,,

So if everyone went with US lacrosse age guidelines then all of the crabs would be u15 eligible and no one would have any grounds to complain. That is the best argument I have seen for age based youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

Its fall ..I still am surprised that no one is 15 yet..But give it a few months and they will start turning 15 and by next Spring and Summer your statement will be completely false..They will have plenty of kids 15...All the prefirst kids will be 15 on 2020..And spare me they are only summer birthdays. We all know better... And in Crab land it is optimal for 15 year old kids to play against 13 and 14 year old kids..RM said that is the Crab way,,,

When you get to high school and college, no one cares. As long as you meet the age requirements and are good enough, you play on the same field regardless of holdbacks or not. Plenty of playbacks fizzle out when the younger kids grow at age 15 or 16. If your kid is good enough, he'll be a star, if not, he won't. If you're a can't miss star in a top high school league, a college coach will find you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

I spoke directly with one of the parents (one that did not reclass), and I don't know why they would lie about that. I guess maybe they would, but it is CLEAR that the Crabs have plenty of held back kids. so if it looks like a zebra...

No kid on Crabs 2021 has repeated a grade. Your statement was that Crabs(Ryan) forced 4 kids from last year's 2020 team to reclass. This is an outright lie.

Stop spreading lies and rumors that your "heard on a sideline". What is CLEAR is that you have an ax to grind with the program and would try to pass of lies as fact on an anonymous message board. Stay Classy.

Not from Maryland and I am not the original poster. My son's team played in Maryland 2 weekends ago in a u15 tournament. One of the players on one our opponent's teams had a yellow helmet. According to his parents, the Crabs told them that their son either had to reclass to 2021 or find another organization. They said they chose to find another organization. Seems like there is at least some truth to the accusation.

And it surprises you that the parent had a reason why their son was no longer on Crabs other than they found someone better? Always easier to point fingers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 players on last Years 2020 Crabs team were told they would only be welcome back if they reclassed. 2 did, the other two left

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

I spoke directly with one of the parents (one that did not reclass), and I don't know why they would lie about that. I guess maybe they would, but it is CLEAR that the Crabs have plenty of held back kids. so if it looks like a zebra...

No kid on Crabs 2021 has repeated a grade. Your statement was that Crabs(Ryan) forced 4 kids from last year's 2020 team to reclass. This is an outright lie.

Stop spreading lies and rumors that your "heard on a sideline". What is CLEAR is that you have an ax to grind with the program and would try to pass of lies as fact on an anonymous message board. Stay Classy.

Not from Maryland and I am not the original poster. My son's team played in Maryland 2 weekends ago in a u15 tournament. One of the players on one our opponent's teams had a yellow helmet. According to his parents, the Crabs told them that their son either had to reclass to 2021 or find another organization. They said they chose to find another organization. Seems like there is at least some truth to the accusation.

absolutely true, I know a kid who lost his position to a 2019 player who reclassed.

No is saying that there aren't holdbacks. The argument is that someone posted that 4 kids from last year's 2020 team were told they had to reclass and that 2 did and the other 2 left. If this was true, there would be two kids on this years' 2021 team that were on last years' 2020 team. There are no kids on the 2021 team that were on 2020 last year. Therefore, what was posted is an outright lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So 2 kids stayed back a grade in school just to be a crab? WOW, absolutely disgusting! No defending this, a club coach telling parents to keep their kid back a grade, lacrosse at the youth level has become an abortion.

So the two that didn't were cut? Did any others leave on their own?

Yes, if you read it on an Internet message board, it must be the truth.

It is a complete lie, but I guess people will believe anything they want to believe.

I spoke directly with one of the parents (one that did not reclass), and I don't know why they would lie about that. I guess maybe they would, but it is CLEAR that the Crabs have plenty of held back kids. so if it looks like a zebra...

No kid on Crabs 2021 has repeated a grade. Your statement was that Crabs(Ryan) forced 4 kids from last year's 2020 team to reclass. This is an outright lie.

Stop spreading lies and rumors that your "heard on a sideline". What is CLEAR is that you have an ax to grind with the program and would try to pass of lies as fact on an anonymous message board. Stay Classy.

Not from Maryland and I am not the original poster. My son's team played in Maryland 2 weekends ago in a u15 tournament. One of the players on one our opponent's teams had a yellow helmet. According to his parents, the Crabs told them that their son either had to reclass to 2021 or find another organization. They said they chose to find another organization. Seems like there is at least some truth to the accusation.

The poster who said "this is a complete lie you jackass", well he is the jackass. Crabs has a boatload of holdbacks, this is the way that sh#$%hole organization works. And if it was 2020 players last year who were told they need to reclass or find another team, well that is no other than Ryan M, the fat [lacrosse] crab daddy coach. It is a known fact that the present 2021 team has 5 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks, I know one of the holdbacks. The only ones who come on this forum and deny that this is happening is either coaches/admin of Crabs or the parents who want to deny that their son is a holdback. The poster that stated that no one on present Crabs 2020 is 15 is most likely correct, it's just that a few are a few months of turning 15 and they will be 15 next spring. Again, if this isn't true Crabs should show their rosters, names excluded, just show date of birth. Crabs is a pos organization, all for the $$$.

It is not a known fact that there are 5 holdbacks on 2021 and 2 double holdbacks. That is absolutely a false statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

Its fall ..I still am surprised that no one is 15 yet..But give it a few months and they will start turning 15 and by next Spring and Summer your statement will be completely false..They will have plenty of kids 15...All the prefirst kids will be 15 on 2020..And spare me they are only summer birthdays. We all know better... And in Crab land it is optimal for 15 year old kids to play against 13 and 14 year old kids..RM said that is the Crab way,,,

When you get to high school and college, no one cares. As long as you meet the age requirements and are good enough, you play on the same field regardless of holdbacks or not. Plenty of playbacks fizzle out when the younger kids grow at age 15 or 16. If your kid is good enough, he'll be a star, if not, he won't. If you're a can't miss star in a top high school league, a college coach will find you.

great point! but keep the different ages playing each other to high school and college.

plus in high school kids generally play up, not down. you don't see 11th graders playing on the freshman teams do you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

Its fall ..I still am surprised that no one is 15 yet..But give it a few months and they will start turning 15 and by next Spring and Summer your statement will be completely false..They will have plenty of kids 15...All the prefirst kids will be 15 on 2020..And spare me they are only summer birthdays. We all know better... And in Crab land it is optimal for 15 year old kids to play against 13 and 14 year old kids..RM said that is the Crab way,,,

So if everyone went with US lacrosse age guidelines then all of the crabs would be u15 eligible and no one would have any grounds to complain. That is the best argument I have seen for age based youth lacrosse.

Of course at YOUTH level age based is the best for grouping. But 2020 is U14 and many Crabs are U15 age..so RM gets his advantage...Majority of Crabs play down at youth level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

Its fall ..I still am surprised that no one is 15 yet..But give it a few months and they will start turning 15 and by next Spring and Summer your statement will be completely false..They will have plenty of kids 15...All the prefirst kids will be 15 on 2020..And spare me they are only summer birthdays. We all know better... And in Crab land it is optimal for 15 year old kids to play against 13 and 14 year old kids..RM said that is the Crab way,,,

By next summer all will be 14 or close to it. If it was still U15 would there be a controversy? There wasn't when my older kids were in 8th grade and playing U15 a few years ago. Pre-first and reclassing aren't new inventions. At some point if your kid is tracking to be an impact HS player and potentially a college player you should let go of your hang-ups about playing with and against kids a year or even some close to 2 years older. He probably doesn't care unless you put it in his head. BTW my kids are public school kids, No hold back and never Crabs.

This is about Crabs and there players playing down at youth level. At least at 15 it starts to somewhat even out do to puberty.But even then older kids are usually better. But at 9, 10, 11..There is a big difference between a bunch of 11 year old players and 10 .. And if the older player gets on better teams, and better coaching along with more playing time...that is an advantage that carries thru. The majority of kids are in a certain range of ability. That older year makes a difference in the way they are played in their small youth career.. The true great ability players will surpass the holdbacks..but the majority, the one older year makes a difference. Most MIAA teams are loaded with First Year college Freshman...Well are loaded with seniors in HS who were held back at one time in school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no one on the Crabs 2020 team that is 15. All of the players are either 14 or 13, including the 6'1" midfielder.

Did anyone notice the scores in the tournaments when the Crabs 2020 played teams that were 2018 and 2019? They still won by a lot.

Its fall ..I still am surprised that no one is 15 yet..But give it a few months and they will start turning 15 and by next Spring and Summer your statement will be completely false..They will have plenty of kids 15...All the prefirst kids will be 15 on 2020..And spare me they are only summer birthdays. We all know better... And in Crab land it is optimal for 15 year old kids to play against 13 and 14 year old kids..RM said that is the Crab way,,,

When you get to high school and college, no one cares. As long as you meet the age requirements and are good enough, you play on the same field regardless of holdbacks or not. Plenty of playbacks fizzle out when the younger kids grow at age 15 or 16. If your kid is good enough, he'll be a star, if not, he won't. If you're a can't miss star in a top high school league, a college coach will find you.

You miss the point of many posters. The problem most people have is playing down with all these holdbacks/reclassify at YOUTH level. it is not in the spirit of youth athletics,,Get your advantage when you get to your school. Whether that be MS or HS, youth sports was not meant to give a select group of children a advantage, Yet that is what is happening now...A select group and only a select group gets to play down ...

There may not be anyone who is 15 on the 2020 Crabs right now. But in January there will be at least 1. And by May 1 there will be a whole bunch. And by August 31 most of the team will be. Actually, I would love to know what % of this team is actually "not reclassed" and my definition of reclassed is (for the year 2020) the player would have to have been born AFTER 8/31/01.

Do you really wake up every day at 5 am, waiting to write anonymous posts railing against kids who have repeated a grade?

You realize that college coaches couldn't care less, right? Whatever helps you get through the day.

If you are a can't miss high school star as a junior, every coach did miss you and it is too late.

I understand why people reclassify their kid to audition well in 8th or 9th grades. i have sons, two are older now. The physical difference between 15 year old and 13 year old school boys is enormous. It is a much bigger difference than later in high school or early in college when boys have ended the steep part of their physical growth period.

What I don't understand is the supply side. Using academy soccer as a long history guide, picking early teen winners is a losing bet. Academy soccer has an abysmal track record and one that has NCAA soccer coaches complaining and changing their methods of recruiting. Lacrosse isn't as seasoned or sophisticated yet, but it is very obvious now with the 2016 and 2017 classes that early recruiting did one thing well: identify the most advanced early teens. Those same kids aren't the best high school upperclass players.

If this really is survival of the fittest like Crabs owner believes, the market will correct and slice out the early kids who fizzled once the age advantage lessens into the later teens.

I really hate how youth lacrosse is driven to what the college coaches think or could care a less about. There is too much emphasis on appealing to and appeasing the college coaches. How about enjoying the game and competition for what it is - a game! The arguement by parents of holdbacks that the college coaches don't care about holdbacks as a justification for screwing over tne non-holdbacks is nauseating. Yes, it does adversely impact a good on age player that is now a role player simply because the kid in front of him is a year more advanced. If there is an advantage to one kid, that means there is a disadvantage to the other kid. Simply put - I am gaming the system because I can. Yes, the current rules allow it, but it is wrong. The only valid arguement for holding a kid back is to give him an advantage. Don't say it does not matter and that the college coaches don't care. You are clearly gaming the system for an advantage because you can.

Low point for me was listening to a club coach giving college recruiting and college planning advice to my son's 8th grade club team. This coach is an Ivy grad living with his parents asking some of the team dads about day jobs he could send a resume in for.

My wife made a comment she wished our son liked another sport more. Never heard the term swimmer bros or wresting bros before.

This thread is really getting out of control. It is full of falsehoods perpetuated by people with misinformation. Any bit of attempt at setting the record straight seems to be met with more angry misinformation and pettiness.

But it is pretty scary to see how crazed people get when their team loses or their kid gets cut.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This thread is really getting out of control. It is full of falsehoods perpetuated by people with misinformation. Any bit of attempt at setting the record straight seems to be met with more angry misinformation and pettiness.

But it is pretty scary to see how crazed people get when their team loses or their kid gets cut.

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No money in in pro or college lax. If you kid is not playing for fun then he should not play. Playing for scholarships is crazy. Your son can have fun playing lax and not have any issues with holdback at the club level or tournament level. The solution is to not play for clubs or go to tournaments that these clubs go to. It is well known the top clubs in the country (crabs, madlax, Laxachuses, team 91, Leading Edge, and many more) do this. Have you club play tournaments that these teams are not in. These teams are pray on the week parents who are chasing money that does not exist. Merit money exists at the DII and DIII level. I enjoy the banter of this forum as the crazy parents all think little junior is a d1 player. When he gets to college and has to eat breath and live lax, try to keep is grades up and you have a 1/5 scholarship, reality will sink in. I do appreciate the banter as it help with alleviate the stress of my job. Happy Thanksgiving. Please keep complaining. Love it.

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Feeding the trolls is not permitted

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]This thread is really getting out of control. It is full of falsehoods perpetuated by people with misinformation. Any bit of attempt at setting the record straight seems to be met with more angry misinformation and pettiness.

But it is pretty scary to see how crazed people get when their team loses or their kid gets cut.

It really strengthens your argument to talk about a guy's weight.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]This thread is really getting out of control. It is full of falsehoods perpetuated by people with misinformation. Any bit of attempt at setting the record straight seems to be met with more angry misinformation and pettiness.

But it is pretty scary to see how crazed people get when their team loses or their kid gets cut.

It really strengthens your argument to talk about a guy's weight.

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Disgusting diatribe.

Knock it off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]This thread is really getting out of control. It is full of falsehoods perpetuated by people with misinformation. Any bit of attempt at setting the record straight seems to be met with more angry misinformation and pettiness.

But it is pretty scary to see how crazed people get when their team loses or their kid gets cut.

It really strengthens your argument to talk about a guy's weight.

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Uggh. Looks like I missed some good stuff.

Damn work.

Has the 2020 crabs team scrimmaged against the 2019 team this fall? If so, what was the score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really wake up every day at 5 am, waiting to write anonymous posts railing against kids who have repeated a grade?

You realize that college coaches couldn't care less, right? Whatever helps you get through the day.

Not sure how I was "railing against kids" pointing out birthdays is really not a big deal, everyone has one😝 to me it is super silly to play down. I am of the thought that if you are good enough you play up. I also would be super worried if my kid looked like a stud at this age and he was older, because you don't know if they look like a stud because they are older, or are they really a stud. I guess time will tell. If your only goal is to be recruited at an early age then holding back your son sounds like a great idea. However, I want my son to be recruited later, so he really knows how he will fit into a team. I also put lots of emphasis on my son getting top grades and repeating a grade doesn't fit with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really wake up every day at 5 am, waiting to write anonymous posts railing against kids who have repeated a grade?

You realize that college coaches couldn't care less, right? Whatever helps you get through the day.

Oh, and the board is my amusement before I go to work, which is why I posted that at 5:00AM. Apparently I missed some heated exchanges yesterday! LOL

Darn - looks like I missed the car crash. What happened? Birth dates posted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has the 2020 crabs team scrimmaged against the 2019 team this fall? If so, what was the score?

They scrimmaged themselves, they are the same team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has the 2020 crabs team scrimmaged against the 2019 team this fall? If so, what was the score?

They scrimmaged themselves, they are the same team

Well if 2019 was involved, then there were likely kids that were 2018's and even 2017's at one point in there youth career...

the answer is no despite the pithy relplies

My son played for 2 Aa teams In Baltimore. He had a great time meeting new kids and good coaches. Great group. After high school and college no one cares where you played or how many goals your boy got.
Lax is kinda like high school football 20 years ago. Parents are wrapped in this nonsense, then no one cares after the child of the sport. I was one of those wrapped up parents.
Club owners love us wrapped up types.
Focus on academics and diversifying into other activities.

^^^^This guy is smart!!!

Most players I've spoken to (those not coaching for a living) have mixed feelings about the time commitments of D1 and high level D3 lacrosse, even those who have won national championships and been AAs.

I've encouraged my boys to use lacrosse to get them into a great academic college (D1 or D3). If your kid enjoys the grind of collegiate lacrosse, keep playing. If not, focus on academics, career development and have fun.

In high school, teach them to play life long sports: ski, tennis, golf. Participate in a play or join the debate club. Being a laxbro is not a vocation or even a desirable life style.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most players I've spoken to (those not coaching for a living) have mixed feelings about the time commitments of D1 and high level D3 lacrosse, even those who have won national championships and been AAs.

I've encouraged my boys to use lacrosse to get them into a great academic college (D1 or D3). If your kid enjoys the grind of collegiate lacrosse, keep playing. If not, focus on academics, career development and have fun.

In high school, teach them to play life long sports: ski, tennis, golf. Participate in a play or join the debate club. Being a laxbro is not a vocation or even a desirable life style.

A parent whose child was a recent starting D1 lacrosse player told me that their son told them...he has enjoyed his experience, but for many reasons if he had it to do over again may just choose to be a student and enjoy college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most players I've spoken to (those not coaching for a living) have mixed feelings about the time commitments of D1 and high level D3 lacrosse, even those who have won national championships and been AAs.

I've encouraged my boys to use lacrosse to get them into a great academic college (D1 or D3). If your kid enjoys the grind of collegiate lacrosse, keep playing. If not, focus on academics, career development and have fun.

Or play D3 or club. D1 is 7 days a week. D3 is four days practice one day game. Club is beer during the games and after and girlfriends on the sidelines. Keep the grades up boys. Merit scholarships is the way to go.

In high school, teach them to play life long sports: ski, tennis, golf. Participate in a play or join the debate club. Being a laxbro is not a vocation or even a desirable life style.

A parent whose child was a recent starting D1 lacrosse player told me that their son told them...he has enjoyed his experience, but for many reasons if he had it to do over again may just choose to be a student and enjoy college.

I heard a parent that was a D1 player say that "I played for two years and it was great, and I did not play for two years and it was great".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most players I've spoken to (those not coaching for a living) have mixed feelings about the time commitments of D1 and high level D3 lacrosse, even those who have won national championships and been AAs.

I've encouraged my boys to use lacrosse to get them into a great academic college (D1 or D3). If your kid enjoys the grind of collegiate lacrosse, keep playing. If not, focus on academics, career development and have fun.

Or play D3 or club. D1 is 7 days a week. D3 is four days practice one day game. Club is beer during the games and after and girlfriends on the sidelines. Keep the grades up boys. Merit scholarships is the way to go.

In high school, teach them to play life long sports: ski, tennis, golf. Participate in a play or join the debate club. Being a laxbro is not a vocation or even a desirable life style.

A parent whose child was a recent starting D1 lacrosse player told me that their son told them...he has enjoyed his experience, but for many reasons if he had it to do over again may just choose to be a student and enjoy college.

This is great. Most truth spit out since i've started checking out this site. I've coaches so many different sports at all different levels. These D1 kids that come out of college thinking they know it all just amuses me. Lots of self righteous behavior is what i've seen which you typically don't see in the other sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most players I've spoken to (those not coaching for a living) have mixed feelings about the time commitments of D1 and high level D3 lacrosse, even those who have won national championships and been AAs.

I've encouraged my boys to use lacrosse to get them into a great academic college (D1 or D3). If your kid enjoys the grind of collegiate lacrosse, keep playing. If not, focus on academics, career development and have fun.

Or play D3 or club. D1 is 7 days a week. D3 is four days practice one day game. Club is beer during the games and after and girlfriends on the sidelines. Keep the grades up boys. Merit scholarships is the way to go.

In high school, teach them to play life long sports: ski, tennis, golf. Participate in a play or join the debate club. Being a laxbro is not a vocation or even a desirable life style.

A parent whose child was a recent starting D1 lacrosse player told me that their son told them...he has enjoyed his experience, but for many reasons if he had it to do over again may just choose to be a student and enjoy college.

This is great. Most truth spit out since i've started checking out this site. I've coaches so many different sports at all different levels. These D1 kids that come out of college thinking they know it all just amuses me. Lots of self righteous behavior is what i've seen which you typically don't see in the other sports.

Self entitlement! That's is what you get with the lacrosse demographic. That is why they feel it is ok to play kids down...self entitlement!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most players I've spoken to (those not coaching for a living) have mixed feelings about the time commitments of D1 and high level D3 lacrosse, even those who have won national championships and been AAs.

I've encouraged my boys to use lacrosse to get them into a great academic college (D1 or D3). If your kid enjoys the grind of collegiate lacrosse, keep playing. If not, focus on academics, career development and have fun.

Or play D3 or club. D1 is 7 days a week. D3 is four days practice one day game. Club is beer during the games and after and girlfriends on the sidelines. Keep the grades up boys. Merit scholarships is the way to go.

In high school, teach them to play life long sports: ski, tennis, golf. Participate in a play or join the debate club. Being a laxbro is not a vocation or even a desirable life style.

A parent whose child was a recent starting D1 lacrosse player told me that their son told them...he has enjoyed his experience, but for many reasons if he had it to do over again may just choose to be a student and enjoy college.

This is great. Most truth spit out since i've started checking out this site. I've coaches so many different sports at all different levels. These D1 kids that come out of college thinking they know it all just amuses me. Lots of self righteous behavior is what i've seen which you typically don't see in the other sports.

Self entitlement! That's is what you get with the lacrosse demographic. That is why they feel it is ok to play kids down...self entitlement!

Hey new flash DELETED. This is going to be on the crawl tonight on FOX news

I took the long way to work as I drove the Porsche. Too bad. Looks like I missed another great quote. Any hints to content Larry?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the long way to work as I drove the Porsche. Too bad. Looks like I missed another great quote. Any hints to content Larry?

Idiot thought calling out someone's kid was acceptable.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the long way to work as I drove the Porsche. Too bad. Looks like I missed another great quote. Any hints to content Larry?

Idiot thought calling out someone's kid was acceptable.

Ah I said White Kids are spoil brats is this pointed at one kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the long way to work as I drove the Porsche. Too bad. Looks like I missed another great quote. Any hints to content Larry?

Idiot thought calling out someone's kid was acceptable.

Ah I said White Kids are spoil brats is this pointed at one kid

Do you really think that I am stupid?

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the long way to work as I drove the Porsche. Too bad. Looks like I missed another great quote. Any hints to content Larry?

Idiot thought calling out someone's kid was acceptable.

Ah I said White Kids are spoil brats is this pointed at one kid

Do you really think that I am stupid?

No so why did you say I was calling out a single kid. We where talking about Lacrosse players being spoiled and given things. And I was pointing out that this is not new news rich white kids have always and will always get away with everything. and we all know Lacrosse is a rich white kid sport. Unless you are in NY or MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the long way to work as I drove the Porsche. Too bad. Looks like I missed another great quote. Any hints to content Larry?

Idiot thought calling out someone's kid was acceptable.

Ah I said White Kids are spoil brats is this pointed at one kid

Do you really think that I am stupid?

No so why did you say I was calling out a single kid. We where talking about Lacrosse players being spoiled and given things. And I was pointing out that this is not new news rich white kids have always and will always get away with everything. and we all know Lacrosse is a rich white kid sport. Unless you are in NY or MD

That in itself is also not very nice..

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I took the long way to work as I drove the Porsche. Too bad. Looks like I missed another great quote. Any hints to content Larry?

Idiot thought calling out someone's kid was acceptable.

Ah I said White Kids are spoil brats is this pointed at one kid

Do you really think that I am stupid?

No so why did you say I was calling out a single kid. We where talking about Lacrosse players being spoiled and given things. And I was pointing out that this is not new news rich white kids have always and will always get away with everything. and we all know Lacrosse is a rich white kid sport. Unless you are in NY or MD

That in itself is also not very nice..

I agree but most jokes are not very nice to someone. Well at least all funny jokes are mean to someone. I could of failed at being funny but you can not always bat 1000%

At least you talked it out. Most people snipe and leave. Try and remember that all of the players are kids..

US Lacrosse endorsed recent actions by the men�s and women�s coaches associations and urged the NCAA to adopt legislative proposals that restrict the recruiting calendar, including all communication between a coach and prospect, to after Sept.1of a prospect�s junior year of high school. The Intercollegiate Men�s Lacrosse Coaches Association voted Friday to support proposals forwarded to the NCAA three months earlier by the Intercollegiate Women�s Lacrosse Coaches Association that ban college coaches from any contact with prospects before that time. The IWLCA proposals are being considered by the NCAA�s student-athlete experience committee.

I think this can help for sure. But I see this giving even more power to the club coaches. The parents will be at their will longer. This will push the 8th to 10 graders back to full time club team games and tournaments. No more showcases. Will this rule effect the camps at the colleges?

It will be interesting to see what is considered "contact" and how the NCAA polices this? Can colleges run prospect camps? Will coaches still attend showcases and tournaments for 9th and 10th grade boys and girls? Showcases? This ruling will dramatically change the club lacrosse landscape. I think it will transfer power to the high school coaches.

I agree. The Gravy train of club lax and empty promises may have ended.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see what is considered "contact" and how the NCAA polices this? Can colleges run prospect camps? Will coaches still attend showcases and tournaments for 9th and 10th grade boys and girls? Showcases? This ruling will dramatically change the club lacrosse landscape. I think it will transfer power to the high school coaches.

That's funny I was thinking this was going to give more power to the club coach. You are kinda forced to make sure you are on the best club team playing the best teams. You will also be forced to play by the club coaches rules longer. You will have no idea if you are on the D1 radar.

If the recruiting rules push out until kids are juniors it will no doubt change club lacrosse. The clubs will need to focus on developing their players to be the best high school upperclassmen. I'm sure there will still be a radar and some early screening of kids, but the sizzle in the whole showcase the middle school and early high school scene will look like a much worse investment to parents. I think clubs will shift toward instruction and marketing that they play in competitive tournaments and show well in them. I think the big winners will be expensive prep schools. After 8th grade I would argue as a DMV parent it will suddenly become all about parents and kids feeling forced to be on one of the strong prep league teams. My son plays at the most acclaimed IAC program, and that benefits him because the coaches are connected and are very aggressive advocates. To be honest, some pretty weak players on his prep team and on the rival teams are committed to D1 programs as freshmen and sophs who have never played varsity and aren't very strong athletes or players yet. A lot of them look like they'd lose a wrestling match with my 12 year old. I don't think the situation improves, it just shifts from the club people being pushy and connected club team advocates to the pushy and connected prep advocates. IMHO lacrosse is strange sport. Being on the "D1 radar" rarely means you have done something rare on the field to earn it. Maybe my cynicism is misplaced, but I just think the lacrosse market wants the chaos and money grab solutions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see what is considered "contact" and how the NCAA polices this? Can colleges run prospect camps? Will coaches still attend showcases and tournaments for 9th and 10th grade boys and girls? Showcases? This ruling will dramatically change the club lacrosse landscape. I think it will transfer power to the high school coaches.

That's funny I was thinking this was going to give more power to the club coach. You are kinda forced to make sure you are on the best club team playing the best teams. You will also be forced to play by the club coaches rules longer. You will have no idea if you are on the D1 radar.

Just because a coach can't contact a player doesn't mean he still won't talk to a club or HS coach. In the past the club had n advantage because many boys didn't play for their HS coach until at least their Soph year. That will change and the HS coach will be more involved in the process. I think this will drive kids to the higher profile lacrosse HS. Clubs will still be relevant but have a diminished role

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see what is considered "contact" and how the NCAA polices this? Can colleges run prospect camps? Will coaches still attend showcases and tournaments for 9th and 10th grade boys and girls? Showcases? This ruling will dramatically change the club lacrosse landscape. I think it will transfer power to the high school coaches.

That's funny I was thinking this was going to give more power to the club coach. You are kinda forced to make sure you are on the best club team playing the best teams. You will also be forced to play by the club coaches rules longer. You will have no idea if you are on the D1 radar.

I think the part about club ball meaning less is wishful thinking. The kids not at Landon and PVI are going to need club ball more then ever.

Just because a coach can't contact a player doesn't mean he still won't talk to a club or HS coach. In the past the club had n advantage because many boys didn't play for their HS coach until at least their Soph year. That will change and the HS coach will be more involved in the process. I think this will drive kids to the higher profile lacrosse HS. Clubs will still be relevant but have a diminished role

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see what is considered "contact" and how the NCAA polices this? Can colleges run prospect camps? Will coaches still attend showcases and tournaments for 9th and 10th grade boys and girls? Showcases? This ruling will dramatically change the club lacrosse landscape. I think it will transfer power to the high school coaches.

That's funny I was thinking this was going to give more power to the club coach. You are kinda forced to make sure you are on the best club team playing the best teams. You will also be forced to play by the club coaches rules longer. You will have no idea if you are on the D1 radar.

I think the part about club ball meaning less is wishful thinking. The kids not at Landon and PVI are going to need club ball more then ever.

Just because a coach can't contact a player doesn't mean he still won't talk to a club or HS coach. In the past the club had n advantage because many boys didn't play for their HS coach until at least their Soph year. That will change and the HS coach will be more involved in the process. I think this will drive kids to the higher profile lacrosse HS. Clubs will still be relevant but have a diminished role

Hopefully gets passed. No matter how it shakes out. It will be better than recruiting 8th and 9th graders.

Here is a little ammo for you Crab parents... Last year the Team 91 Crush folks got all worked up about the Crabs having hold backs come in for one tournament and beat them at the Beach.

Well the coach of that 91 Crush 2020 team also coaches a 91 Bandits 2023 team. He has his oldest son, who is on the 2020 team playing DOWN on the 2023 team in Florida right now so they can try and win the whole thing.

If that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is a little ammo for you Crab parents... Last year the Team 91 Crush folks got all worked up about the Crabs having hold backs come in for one tournament and beat them at the Beach.

Well the coach of that 91 Crush 2020 team also coaches a 91 Bandits 2023 team. He has his oldest son, who is on the 2020 team playing DOWN on the 2023 team in Florida right now so they can try and win the whole thing.

If that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!!!!

Tournament has clear rules on age. If True it is a easy fix. Tell tournament directors??

His older son must be very small to pass for a 6 grader.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is a little ammo for you Crab parents... Last year the Team 91 Crush folks got all worked up about the Crabs having hold backs come in for one tournament and beat them at the Beach.

Well the coach of that 91 Crush 2020 team also coaches a 91 Bandits 2023 team. He has his oldest son, who is on the 2020 team playing DOWN on the 2023 team in Florida right now so they can try and win the whole thing.

If that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!!!!

Tournament has clear rules on age. If True it is a easy fix. Tell tournament directors??

Tell the tournament directors what? That the boy in question is in 6th grade and meets the age requirements for this tournament? He is in 6th grade(2022) and he meets the age requirements for [lacrosse]'s. FACT. Just be advised he does play for Crush 2020 because he is that good. He plays up two years. I know that may difficult for you to understand, but that is reality.

Crush 2020 only cares about 5 kids. After those kids commit, the team will fall apart. They will already be surpassed this year by clubs like Crabs and Looney's.

Now we find out they have reclassified players as well. Makes sense given their despicable behavior at Denver touranment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crush 2020 only cares about 5 kids. After those kids commit, the team will fall apart. They will already be surpassed this year by clubs like Crabs and Looney's.

Now we find out they have reclassified players as well. Makes sense given their despicable behavior at Denver touranment.

Crab daddy didn't like the beat down. With the way you guys act down here in MD to our club and others. do you really think anyone feels bad for you! It may of been for one day only but Crush had many fans in that game vs Crabs because it exposed the "crab way". Crush being about five players is laughable because our boys team has five or six really really good players as well but just like many others we haven't and probably never can beat them. They are one of only a small handful of teams I've seen with highly skiilled group of players that play "team lacrosse"

Let's be clear. He should really be in 7th grade 2021 with a 2003 birth year but is in 6th grade 2022. Plays up 1yr with crush 8th grade 2020 or 2yrs up depending on how you look at it. Sometimes plays on bandits 5th grade 2023 team with brothers and dad when the bandits play up in 2022 6th grade tourneys. Makes the cut because he was re classed to 6th grade 2022. On a seperate note his ability and skill and IQ are off the charts no matter what team he is on. Completely stands out.

There isn't a rule against playing up. Why don't more advanced kids play on teams a grade up?

I have a question. If an 8th grade kid was really outstanding and is so outstanding he could hang on with a 10th grade team, assuming his parents approved on the safety risk, would it help or hurt that kid recruiting wise to play up? Would it be better to dominate your age and grade, or would it look better to be holding your own against kids two grades up? The recruiting coaches would be seeing the same player but the context would be very different. I only ask because in other sports the gold standard is reaching as far out as you can go to play up. It is considered a notch on the belt that only few kids can be strong enough to hold on against older boys. Would that fail in lacrosse because the whole point is to look bigger and better than everyone on the field and the easiest way to do that is to be older?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question. If an 8th grade kid was really outstanding and is so outstanding he could hang on with a 10th grade team, assuming his parents approved on the safety risk, would it help or hurt that kid recruiting wise to play up? Would it be better to dominate your age and grade, or would it look better to be holding your own against kids two grades up? The recruiting coaches would be seeing the same player but the context would be very different. I only ask because in other sports the gold standard is reaching as far out as you can go to play up. It is considered a notch on the belt that only few kids can be strong enough to hold on against older boys. Would that fail in lacrosse because the whole point is to look bigger and better than everyone on the field and the easiest way to do that is to be older?

When put that way, ( which is reality) doesn't that make lacrosse seem like such a sad sport?

I would guess college coaches would like seeing kids play up as a test. I know I'd be impressed. Wayne Gretzky always talked about growing up a stronger young player because he was always put with the older boys. Lacrosse should try more of that to challenge the promising kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would guess college coaches would like seeing kids play up as a test. I know I'd be impressed. Wayne Gretzky always talked about growing up a stronger young player because he was always put with the older boys. Lacrosse should try more of that to challenge the promising kids.

Unfortunately Lacrosse has done the exact opposite. Many clubs encourage playing down a year thru prefirst/holdbacks/reclassify.
Tell anyone not associated with lacrosse whats going on with this issue ..And the response is almost always the same..Playing against younger kids is lame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I would guess college coaches would like seeing kids play up as a test. I know I'd be impressed. Wayne Gretzky always talked about growing up a stronger young player because he was always put with the older boys. Lacrosse should try more of that to challenge the promising kids.

Unfortunately Lacrosse has done the exact opposite. Many clubs encourage playing down a year thru prefirst/holdbacks/reclassify.

Yet a lot of club teams do this, basically out of need to stay competitive. All of this crap of holdbacks in Md. was started by none other that Ryan M of Crabs and the disgusting part is that he is proud of this and because his 2020 team is MUCH older than most all other 2020's he considers himself a great lax coach, which he isn't, he just pushes the limits to outright cheating.

Christian McCaffrey is a 19 year old sophomore at Stanford. He is the best player in college football. You don't need to be older. You just need to be better. Think about that when you consider most Baltimore and DC area prep lacrosse players will be 19 when they are seniors in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Christian McCaffrey is a 19 year old sophomore at Stanford. He is the best player in college football. You don't need to be older. You just need to be better. Think about that when you consider most Baltimore and DC area prep lacrosse players will be 19 when they are seniors in high school.

His family tree helps, a little.

Yeah both his parents were great athletes. Like u said though 19yr old sophomore in college not senior in high school. If I was a 19 yr old senior in high school I would have been so much better. Bigger faster and stronger. I put on 20 lbs from 18 to 19. And was more of a man. I played college football and trust me I was even totally different from 19 to 22.

Always helps to have the advantage of being 19 playing high school sports. Lacrosse is the only sport that celebrates that as something impressive. Alabama's best offensive lineman is a soph who also started last year as a true freshman. Clemson's best offensive lineman this year is a true freshman.

The crutch to lean on is available to anyone who want it. Great athletes don't need one.

Can someone please post the birthdates of the Crabs 2020 team. Let's see the ages and then have some Crab parent justify that it is ok for 15 year olds to play against 13 year olds. Hopefully the proposal to curb early recruiting puts an end to the gaming of the system that RM has helped create. Cheaters suck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please post the birthdates of the Crabs 2020 team. Let's see the ages and then have some Crab parent justify that it is ok for 15 year olds to play against 13 year olds. Hopefully the proposal to curb early recruiting puts an end to the gaming of the system that RM has helped create. Cheaters suck.

I would also like to see this, but it will never happen, Ryan M is a cheat and he knows it. He manipulates the system to his advantage, since he created this in Md a few years ago. He is the coach of Crabs 2020 and I have seen this team and they are clearly much older than other 2020 teams. He has at least two double holdbacks that will be close to 15 or maybe 16 by this spring/summer, but the Crab faithful will deny this to the end. They keep saying they only have 4 or 5 holdbacks and no double holdbacks, which is an outright lie. And I doubt if the NCAA changes the recruiting rules will have any impact on the Crabs system, they will find other ways to cheat and alter the system to their advantage. I do not know how this man can show his face in public, everyone connected to lacrosse knows what he is and what he stands for. It is also troubling that he carries a lot of weight in the youth lacrosse system in Md. and if you get in his way or try to stop him he will find ways to eliminate other teams playing in a league or his tournaments. But if by luck someone has the date of birth for his 2020 team, please post them, no names needed or required, just the dob. I would like nothing better than to see him exposed for the cheater that he is. This is not a question of winning or loosing, it is clearly an issue of player safety. A 15 or older playing against a 13 year old creates an atmosphere for injury and Ryan M could care less about safety, he just wants to win at any cost and walk around claiming to be a great coach, which he isn't. If you have them, post them, there is nothing he can do to you on this website, he won't know who you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can someone please post the birthdates of the Crabs 2020 team. Let's see the ages and then have some Crab parent justify that it is ok for 15 year olds to play against 13 year olds. Hopefully the proposal to curb early recruiting puts an end to the gaming of the system that RM has helped create. Cheaters suck.

I would also like to see this, but it will never happen, Ryan M is a cheat and he knows it. He manipulates the system to his advantage, since he created this in Md a few years ago. He is the coach of Crabs 2020 and I have seen this team and they are clearly much older than other 2020 teams. He has at least two double holdbacks that will be close to 15 or maybe 16 by this spring/summer, but the Crab faithful will deny this to the end. They keep saying they only have 4 or 5 holdbacks and no double holdbacks, which is an outright lie. And I doubt if the NCAA changes the recruiting rules will have any impact on the Crabs system, they will find other ways to cheat and alter the system to their advantage. I do not know how this man can show his face in public, everyone connected to lacrosse knows what he is and what he stands for. It is also troubling that he carries a lot of weight in the youth lacrosse system in Md. and if you get in his way or try to stop him he will find ways to eliminate other teams playing in a league or his tournaments. But if by luck someone has the date of birth for his 2020 team, please post them, no names needed or required, just the dob. I would like nothing better than to see him exposed for the cheater that he is. This is not a question of winning or loosing, it is clearly an issue of player safety. A 15 or older playing against a 13 year old creates an atmosphere for injury and Ryan M could care less about safety, he just wants to win at any cost and walk around claiming to be a great coach, which he isn't. If you have them, post them, there is nothing he can do to you on this website, he won't know who you are.

[And they even have triple holdbacks who are on HGH! ohh the in-humanity of it/....insert hand wringing and teeth gnashing here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can someone please post the birthdates of the Crabs 2020 team. Let's see the ages and then have some Crab parent justify that it is ok for 15 year olds to play against 13 year olds. Hopefully the proposal to curb early recruiting puts an end to the gaming of the system that RM has helped create. Cheaters suck.

I would also like to see this, but it will never happen, Ryan M is a cheat and he knows it. He manipulates the system to his advantage, since he created this in Md a few years ago. He is the coach of Crabs 2020 and I have seen this team and they are clearly much older than other 2020 teams. He has at least two double holdbacks that will be close to 15 or maybe 16 by this spring/summer, but the Crab faithful will deny this to the end. They keep saying they only have 4 or 5 holdbacks and no double holdbacks, which is an outright lie. And I doubt if the NCAA changes the recruiting rules will have any impact on the Crabs system, they will find other ways to cheat and alter the system to their advantage. I do not know how this man can show his face in public, everyone connected to lacrosse knows what he is and what he stands for. It is also troubling that he carries a lot of weight in the youth lacrosse system in Md. and if you get in his way or try to stop him he will find ways to eliminate other teams playing in a league or his tournaments. But if by luck someone has the date of birth for his 2020 team, please post them, no names needed or required, just the dob. I would like nothing better than to see him exposed for the cheater that he is. This is not a question of winning or loosing, it is clearly an issue of player safety. A 15 or older playing against a 13 year old creates an atmosphere for injury and Ryan M could care less about safety, he just wants to win at any cost and walk around claiming to be a great coach, which he isn't. If you have them, post them, there is nothing he can do to you on this website, he won't know who you are.

[And they even have triple holdbacks who are on HGH! ohh the in-humanity of it/....insert hand wringing and teeth gnashing

here

AS expected and right on cue, here come the Crabs faithful to try their best to mock or get attention away from their organization and Ryan M. Well, you missed the complete focus for asking for dob's. Player safety, but as usual that has no meaning for the Crabs clan, all they want to do is win at any cost and be able to say my son is great, come watch him play, he can easily run over other teams 13 year olds. Oh, did I mention he is getting his drivers learners permit this spring so I won't have to take him to his 2020 team practice.

Youth lacrosse needs saving.

Boycott the U.S. lacrosse fee until they endorse a change. Picket the hall of fame.

I'm not a USL member as a parent. Why would I be? I have not re-registered my kids for USL membership for over 3 years. We have not needed a member ID to sign up for a single league, team or lacrosse tournament since summer 2013 because none has required it since then. Why would anyone be a USL member? I don't think that is a sarcastic thing to note. Why would anyone be a USL member? I can't figure out what USL is besides an group that keeps a website with some articles and tries to sell apparel and car bumper magnets on their website. They certainly have nothing to do with running the sport now.

Most leagues piggyback on the insurance provided for USL members. Several tournaments and camps also require a USL membership as well.

You may not like their stance on youth lacrosse at the moment, but they are very much involved in running the sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most leagues piggyback on the insurance provided for USL members. Several tournaments and camps also require a USL membership as well.

You may not like their stance on youth lacrosse at the moment, but they are very much involved in running the sport.

I'm 100% with their stance and hope somehow lacrosse as a sport will figure out the best equity in any youth sport are age appropriate teams. My point is more than just sarcasm. The question needs to be asked, is the endorsement of US Lacrosse in its current leadership form a help to this sport anymore? Consider that youth lacrosse raced toward grade based teams in the months following USL's Golden Stick published guidelines. I'm skeptical about USL having the credibility to do anything now. The most profound issue position they've taken in the prior 3 years was both laughed at and ignored.

Reforms would need to come from elsewhere. Right now it is hard to see the club operators yielding any ground. If the NCAA blows up early recruiting, that would make a lot of the early recruiting strategies including reclassifying before high school a lesser advantage. That would be the tipping point for parents to say 'forget it' if the sizzle of a 15 year old going against 13 year olds goes down and private school tuitions keep going up.

I've heard it all now that MIAA and IAC and WCAC schools excitedly recruit and scholarship kids in sports like lacrosse. That said, how do these schools that have 100-125 boys per class stay solvent if we're just assuming all the jocks are scholarshiped? I tend to believe something else. Lots of middle and upper middle class families are getting financially hammered to play the early recruiting reclassify game. Saying nothing of the fact that scholarship money for college lacrosse is very low, this is a harmful trend.

It's my understanding that some private schools have i.e. "private football endowment funds" that are used to aid in tuition costs for student-athletes. I know we are talking about lacrosse but privates may have these similar type funds for lacrosse studs that aren't able to afford $25K a yr tuition. To my knowledge I have know idea if this is legal or even talked about openly.

Gilman and McDonogh are the worst at this. McDonogh has the dorms and "Patron families" who foot the bills in many cases. Gilman has a big pot of money and sponsor families who put the out of town kids up in their houses. I've heard that BL gives lots of money for lax.

calvert hall is pretty bad too

Why is it bad for private schools to give scholarships? The kids that get the scholarships typically can't afford to go to a private school.

I'm all for scholarships, endowments or whatever they need to be called if it helps a student-athlete get a great education and an opportunity to play a sport at the highest level. The only way my son could attend any HS that costs $25k yr would be support given from some type of aid.

These schools are very generous with aid regardless of athletic prowess. The endowments are such that more than half of all students at McDonogh, Gilman, BL get some aid and the minimum aid is about 8k per student. Reality is that you can have a family income of over 150k and still get aid if you have multiple children.

Athletes do get more aid, but it is all need based. The schools do what they can to make it possible for any kid that can get in to have an opportunity to attend. If they didn't, my kids certainly wouldn't be attending.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These schools are very generous with aid regardless of athletic prowess. The endowments are such that more than half of all students at McDonogh, Gilman, BL get some aid and the minimum aid is about 8k per student. Reality is that you can have a family income of over 150k and still get aid if you have multiple children.

Athletes do get more aid, but it is all need based. The schools do what they can to make it possible for any kid that can get in to have an opportunity to attend. If they didn't, my kids certainly wouldn't be attending.

Very common and it is not all need based - except what/who is needed to help create the best teams possible, lacrosse included . Unfortunately, the practice often displaces kids on teams who have attended the school for 9 years paying full tuition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These schools are very generous with aid regardless of athletic prowess. The endowments are such that more than half of all students at McDonogh, Gilman, BL get some aid and the minimum aid is about 8k per student. Reality is that you can have a family income of over 150k and still get aid if you have multiple children.

Athletes do get more aid, but it is all need based. The schools do what they can to make it possible for any kid that can get in to have an opportunity to attend. If they didn't, my kids certainly wouldn't be attending.

Very common and it is not all need based - except what/who is needed to help create the best teams possible, lacrosse included . Unfortunately, the practice often displaces kids on teams who have attended the school for 9 years paying full tuition.

No one is going to feel sorry for the kid from a family that can afford the full tuition. I am guessing he has more then enough advantages going for him. Just a guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]These schools are very generous with aid regardless of athletic prowess. The endowments are such that more than half of all students at McDonogh, Gilman, BL get some aid and the minimum aid is about 8k per student. Reality is that you can have a family income of over 150k and still get aid if you have multiple children.

Athletes do get more aid, but it is all need based. The schools do what they can to make it possible for any kid that can get in to have an opportunity to attend. If they didn't, my kids certainly wouldn't be attending.

Very common and it is not all need based - except what/who is needed to help create the best teams possible, lacrosse included . Unfortunately, the practice often displaces kids on teams who have attended the school for 9 years paying full tuition.

No one is going to feel sorry for the kid from a family that can afford the full tuition. I am guessing he has more then enough advantages going for him. Just a guess.

Lacrosse is an enabling, real life, 3D - commercial for MIAA schools who use the exposure and local love of the game to attract the next generation of paying families/students. This next generation does not always receive the financial aid(some do), they are however drawn to certain schools because of the athletic/lacrosse traditions. The alumni will help fund these programs in order to keep visibility high. This in turn leads to continue enrollment and the cycle continues. The best young lacrosse players will always be sought out by schools in order to perpetuate the winning tradition that fuel the machine. Crabs, FCA, etc. are part of this process. Not going to change. Those kids who are displaced have other opportunities to contribute to the culture of their school. No shame in fresh/soph or JV Lax in the MIAA A conf.

The enabling runs out. I honestly laugh at the whole "the world is run by C students who employ the A students" or the lacrosse (or other sport) club will let you roll into a high flying career. When exactly did selling crappy commercial real estate leases become a high powered career? I was the gentleman's C jock from a good college a generation ago and using sports connections helped somewhat to get interviews but my career got off to a slow and depressing start because nobody besides alums in a sport care about some random non-revenue former college ringer athlete. I recovered by getting a couple years of experience and was a little lucky to get into a good grad school but I'm not proud that I was an idiot then and wouldn't promote that as a good idea for our kids now. I think it is kind of sad and pathetic how many college lacrosse kids just come home after college and linger around club lacrosse coaching for little money and then go start the next generation of what sports can do for you lately after college, which in reality is very little.

^^^ this guy is smart. I see they good players barely getting bye on grades. Barely staying academically eligible. I laugh as Lax should be fun and school is the job to get you ahead. I know a guy that is a hall of fame d11 athlete and won 2 national championships at d2. He is working hard to get ahead. Lax really did not help him. His OK now but has been struggling for a while. Keep to the books. Grades do matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The enabling runs out. I honestly laugh at the whole "the world is run by C students who employ the A students" or the lacrosse (or other sport) club will let you roll into a high flying career. When exactly did selling crappy commercial real estate leases become a high powered career? I was the gentleman's C jock from a good college a generation ago and using sports connections helped somewhat to get interviews but my career got off to a slow and depressing start because nobody besides alums in a sport care about some random non-revenue former college ringer athlete. I recovered by getting a couple years of experience and was a little lucky to get into a good grad school but I'm not proud that I was an idiot then and wouldn't promote that as a good idea for our kids now. I think it is kind of sad and pathetic how many college lacrosse kids just come home after college and linger around club lacrosse coaching for little money and then go start the next generation of what sports can do for you lately after college, which in reality is very little.

You "recovered"? Do you blame lacrosse for your slow start to your professional career? Did you expect that employers to roll out the red carpet because of lacrosse? Sounds like it did open a few doors and you weren't able to take advantage. Then you put your head down, worked hard and your efforts paid off? Did playing sports offer you any life lessons that helped you through those depressing years? Seems like your painting lacrosse with a pretty broad brush based on your own myopic view.

Sincerely
Ex-Lacrosse playing business owner who is glad to have a great commercial real estate broker that helps my business. He played hoops.

ps. I'd hire a college athlete over a candidate with the same credentials every day of the week. I think most would

Gee, that wasn't a defensive comment. My sport wasn't lacrosse. I don't blame my sport or sports for anything. I also don't regret things like drinking, partying and having a great social life on top of a sport. Those two things added together equaled a 3.0ish GPA and did regret not bearing down to get a 3.6-3.8 that I was capable of, but not until it was too late. I finished college sports in spring of my last year and then turned my attention to life after sports and college too late.

Sports did open some doors for interviews, but those doors shut fast when you are not qualified. So yeah, I manned up so to speak and worked for a couple years and then went to grad school and definitely made the most of that opportunity and I have a sports ethic to thank for picking myself up and pulling through. I own a business too and would simply say I do think it is a PLUS to see a college grad who was an athlete, but I don't really go in for bros with a 2.5 GPA in sociology even if it is from Duke or Notre Dame. Those kids are the new me of this generation and the world is a lot less kind to them - unless you hire all of them. They will need to be underemployed at first and get off to a slower start. That is the consequence. I'll take the kid who worked summers and part time jobs since he/she were 16 and got perfect grades every time over a knucklehead that might wonder why I don't get it he made all league in lacrosse.

I just tell my kids to never bargain their future for a few more years of playing a sport. I'm pro-lacrosse all the way if the kids take care of what is more important. BTW, how many parents of HS lacrosse players reading this have kids who don't have summer jobs or volunteer commitments? If a 16 year old kid has summer spoken for with 6-8 lacrosse events sucking out everything until early August but no summer job or other interests to pursue, I'd say that isn't a good way to go. I'd feel differently if a kid had a real shot to be a pro basketball, hockey, baseball player because those can be real careers. Lacrosse isn't that and probably never will be.

What Breakers... Is that the team that folded last year

Obviously your son plays for Looneys. Don't kid yourself if you think Crabs is the only club taking advantage of holdbacks

There is a kid on the Crabs 2020 team that has a baby on the way. I hear Ryan M hates Christmas and was spotted kicking a puppy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gee, that wasn't a defensive comment. My sport wasn't lacrosse. I don't blame my sport or sports for anything. I also don't regret things like drinking, partying and having a great social life on top of a sport. Those two things added together equaled a 3.0ish GPA and did regret not bearing down to get a 3.6-3.8 that I was capable of, but not until it was too late. I finished college sports in spring of my last year and then turned my attention to life after sports and college too late.

Sports did open some doors for interviews, but those doors shut fast when you are not qualified. So yeah, I manned up so to speak and worked for a couple years and then went to grad school and definitely made the most of that opportunity and I have a sports ethic to thank for picking myself up and pulling through. I own a business too and would simply say I do think it is a PLUS to see a college grad who was an athlete, but I don't really go in for bros with a 2.5 GPA in sociology even if it is from Duke or Notre Dame. Those kids are the new me of this generation and the world is a lot less kind to them - unless you hire all of them. They will need to be underemployed at first and get off to a slower start. That is the consequence. I'll take the kid who worked summers and part time jobs since he/she were 16 and got perfect grades every time over a knucklehead that might wonder why I don't get it he made all league in lacrosse.

I just tell my kids to never bargain their future for a few more years of playing a sport. I'm pro-lacrosse all the way if the kids take care of what is more important. BTW, how many parents of HS lacrosse players reading this have kids who don't have summer jobs or volunteer commitments? If a 16 year old kid has summer spoken for with 6-8 lacrosse events sucking out everything until early August but no summer job or other interests to pursue, I'd say that isn't a good way to go. I'd feel differently if a kid had a real shot to be a pro basketball, hockey, baseball player because those can be real careers. Lacrosse isn't that and probably never will be.

Well sports can get a 2.5 kid into college all together. I played D1 football with no real shot of playing PRO. But I was an avg. to bad student my whole life. Football is what kept me in line, in class and got me the help I needed to finish school. So with admissions getting harder and harder the avg. student needs to be great at a sport to get into a great to upper level college. So news flash if you can get 4.0 grades you should never do anything to hurt that. But if you are a 3.0 kid you should play a sport and get 2.8 and work that angle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously your son plays for Looneys. Don't kid yourself if you think Crabs is the only club taking advantage of holdbacks

Come on Crab dad, don't start this crap again. True, mostly all club teams have a few holdbacks, maybe 1 to 3 at most. Crabs on the other hand has a crap load of them, especially on their 2020 team and their 2021 team, but the 2020 team is the leader, simply because it is the team Ryan M coaches.
No other clue, and I mean no other, goes to some of their players and tells them that if they want to remain with Crabs they have to repeat a year in school.
Don't even think about denying this, it has been proven many times over on this form and others. [lacrosse], Crabs 2020 even has two double holdbacks.
Ryan M just figured a way to manipulate the grade base system so he could have bigger and older players. He is the biggest and most disrespected person in youth lacrosse in Maryland.
So stop hiding your head in the sand, and stop trying to push all of this on other clubs because it doesn't work.
Crabs is what it is, a "gaming" club program with a cheat for its leader.
Time to man up and own it.

How many NON holdback 2020 kids do the crabs have

You sound ridiculous and a bit of a crier.....Hopefully you are a team Mom and not a team Dad.. If you are a Dad your son is in trouble and you are wasting your money with club lacrosse

Actually all but a few of us are wasting our money with club lacrosse. $2000/year for fees and close to $2000/yr for wear and tear on car, gas, hotel rooms and meals at tournaments. club lacrosse in Grades 5-11 (plus the extra year for half the crabs). Add in the summer camps, showcases.

You would be better off putting that into an investment. Will probably be more than what the kid will get in lacrosse money.

As for my son, a true 2020, he will be fine. Enjoys the game, has had coaches at a few camps ask him to visit their school (D3 and D2). I understand the economics of club lacrosse. From your comment above, it seems you do not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sound ridiculous and a bit of a crier.....Hopefully you are a team Mom and not a team Dad.. If you are a Dad your son is in trouble and you are wasting your money with club lacrosse

No one knows what in the [lacrosse] you are talking about. But that's ok, we realize it is getting close to dinner time, so you better get in the kitchen and get started before your wife gets home. No one on here crying but you.

Yup... you and your son sound like a parent/player that can not make it on a good lacrosse club. Filled with anger that your son is not as good as other kids and claim everyone is cheating. Enjoy your sub par year keep posting you dumb crap on this site....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually all but a few of us are wasting our money with club lacrosse. $2000/year for fees and close to $2000/yr for wear and tear on car, gas, hotel rooms and meals at tournaments. club lacrosse in Grades 5-11 (plus the extra year for half the crabs). Add in the summer camps, showcases.

You would be better off putting that into an investment. Will probably be more than what the kid will get in lacrosse money.

As for my son, a true 2020, he will be fine. Enjoys the game, has had coaches at a few camps ask him to visit their school (D3 and D2). I understand the economics of club lacrosse. From your comment above, it seems you do not.

Maybe some people are doing it for fun?! NOt just a means to an end. Their kid wants more than rec and likes traveling. It's not a waste of money if you're getting family time and good friends out of it. And if your kid is staying off the computer and off drugs.

Stop looking at Club lacrosse as an investment! Your son is playing with friends, traveling around with his team, hopefully having fun and maybe getting better at the game. Anyone playing club purely for the recruiting purposes is wasting their $ and their kid's time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sound ridiculous and a bit of a crier.....Hopefully you are a team Mom and not a team Dad.. If you are a Dad your son is in trouble and you are wasting your money with club lacrosse

Most would agree that the original poster was correct and as usual Crabs using nastiness to deflect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yup... you and your son sound like a parent/player that can not make it on a good lacrosse club. Filled with anger that your son is not as good as other kids and claim everyone is cheating. Enjoy your sub par year keep posting you dumb crap on this site....

Wrong again Crab dad. He plays on a 2020 elite team, only 2 holdbacks on the team (he is not one of them) both for academic reasons, not for the reasons Ryan M wants/insists kids repeat a year.
There is absolutely no anger, it is just pathetic that people like you are so na�ve to believe Ryan M's BS. You know damn well that he games the system, is just a pathetic lax coach with a very low lacrosse IQ and needs to have all the holdbacks and double holdbacks to be competitive. If he had a 2020 team without holdbacks they would be average at best.
Were you around last summer when the on age Crabs 2020 got plastered in Denver. That was an average team.
So just keep drinking the Ryan M koolaid and think you son is a great player, when he may just be an average player.
Oh, and did you get the bathrooms cleaned today before you start dinner. Don't want your wife angry.

Your right. The guy from Crabs is Pure evil. I hear he clubs baby seals for fun and tells his players to not brush their teeth so they match the yellow in the Crabs uniform..Thanks for your posts and thanks for saving youth lacrosse.

[quote=Anonymous]Your right. The guy from Crabs is Pure evil. I hear he clubs baby seals for fun and tells his players to not brush their teeth so they match the yellow in the Crabs uniform..Thanks for your posts and thanks for saving youth lacrosse. [/quote
What an asinine post, probably one of the dumbest I've ever seen and I don't even have a dog in this fight.
I will tell you this though, seems Crab fans/parents stick together, most likely to help them feel secure as they are well aware of the stuff that is going on. That program is what is ruining grade base lacrosse. I'm done.

Hey Crab Dad, how many kids on this 2020 team have re-classed in the past 3 years? There are only 7 kids from the 6th grade team of 2 years ago. One kid came from Fallston and re-classed at BL. One kid from Gilman repeated 7th grade at Calvert last year and now is back in 8th grade at Gilman. Not to mention the DC area kids you brought up. Can you not see where the rest of the lacrosse world laughs at you? Pound your chests this summer Crabs!! But always remember 19-8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yup... you and your son sound like a parent/player that can not make it on a good lacrosse club. Filled with anger that your son is not as good as other kids and claim everyone is cheating. Enjoy your sub par year keep posting you dumb crap on this site....

I think we can all agree that it is not technically cheating. That said, we all agree that the Crabs only dominate when they play younger teams. You may laugh, but we are ALL laughing harder. Talent doesn't ever need to play down to win or get recruited. I think we all saw that this past week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yup... you and your son sound like a parent/player that can not make it on a good lacrosse club. Filled with anger that your son is not as good as other kids and claim everyone is cheating. Enjoy your sub par year keep posting you dumb crap on this site....

I think we can all agree that it is not technically cheating. That said, we all agree that the Crabs only dominate when they play younger teams. You may laugh, but we are ALL laughing harder. Talent doesn't ever need to play down to win or get recruited. I think we all saw that this past week.

That is the point the Crabs seem to miss- that REAL talent plays up and not down. Pretty funny that they still don't get that and that when they win, everyone just shakes their head because the Crabs think it is because of talent. They remain the last ones to get it.

Never viewed it as an investment or future windfall in scholarship money. My on age D1 commit is not projected to receive much more than that in athletic aid than the annual expense figure you accurately show. But it has been a great experience playing with and against some of best kids in his class for the past four years despite the time and expense involved. If the kid has the passion and skill to play at that elite club level and the parents can afford it - why the angst? What I find absurd is the kids that holdback / reclassify!

How many non holdback are on 2020 crabs. Anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many non holdback are on 2020 crabs. Anyone know?

Only 7 or 8 are left. I'd be interested to know how many of this years team played in the WSYL loss to 91 last year where the cutoff was only June 1, 2001. I bet it's only those 7 or 8.

You need to get a life.

Crabs teams are always good and they always get 100+ kids to tryout. Not getting why they don't just ditch this charade of pulling kids down a year to make them stand out more considering they are good enough players anyways.

I'd lose self respect if I gave my son a crutch to play down. It violates every life lesson sports can teach a boy and cheapens the kids out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many non holdback are on 2020 crabs. Anyone know?

Only 7 or 8 are left. I'd be interested to know how many of this years team played in the WSYL loss to 91 last year where the cutoff was only June 1, 2001. I bet it's only those 7 or 8.

If that number is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it, then there are 17 holdbacks. Their 2020 roster for 2016 has 25 players, so this is in line with what Ryan McClernan does with players, tells them in order to stay with Crabs, they must repeat a year.
What a disgusting man and program, yet many parents buy into this BS.

Crabs is and always will be a target for these kinds of attacks. Usually the best teams will. I know that the youngest Crabs team has 0 playbacks. They are very good and well coached. They will win a lot this year and may loose a few as well. After every win you will hear parents claim foul and crabs cheats. Parents seem to need to find a way to make excuses for a loss instead of moving on and getting better. I find it quite funny to sit back and listen to parents on the sideline

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...I find it quite funny to sit back and listen to parents on the sideline

That's what we all say about Crabs parents!

I agree Crabs teams are always good and only the best tryout and make the teams. That's why they will always be a target for attacks. The kids are talented and really they are kids....Take a break from your high horse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs is and always will be a target for these kinds of attacks. Usually the best teams will. I know that the youngest Crabs team has 0 playbacks. They are very good and well coached. They will win a lot this year and may loose a few as well. After every win you will hear parents claim foul and crabs cheats. Parents seem to need to find a way to make excuses for a loss instead of moving on and getting better. I find it quite funny to sit back and listen to parents on the sideline

The holdbacks will change. The 2020 team only kept a few kids on the team from just 2 years ago. They brought down 3 from the 2019 team from last year as well as having another several kids repeat a grade to go from other clubs as 2019 players to Crabs 2020. Hope your kid doesn't end up being one of the kids left out in the future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs is and always will be a target for these kinds of attacks. Usually the best teams will. I know that the youngest Crabs team has 0 playbacks. They are very good and well coached. They will win a lot this year and may loose a few as well. After every win you will hear parents claim foul and crabs cheats. Parents seem to need to find a way to make excuses for a loss instead of moving on and getting better. I find it quite funny to sit back and listen to parents on the sideline

The youngest Crabs team is 2023, so these kids are 10 years old and most likely at this point have not been held back.
However, moving forward in the Crabs program, at some point, usually when they are approaching 7th or 8th grade, many will be approached and advised that if they wish to remain with the program they will need to repeat a grade.
This is how Ryan M works the grade base system and if you look at Crabs 2021 and especially the 2020 team for this year, there are many holdbacks. The 2020 team even has two double holdbacks.
This is the sole reason why Crabs is a target, is simply because they violate the true spirit of grade base lacrosse.
Yes, other parents will, at times, [lacrosse] about
Crabs, but it is simply for the reason they violate the system. When a team does lose to Crabs, most do not count it as a loss, they simply know that they played a team much older and bigger, again, how Ryan McClernan "works" the system.
Most club teams have holdbacks, usually 1 to 3, but Crabs 2020 has a crap load of holdbacks. Go watch this team, you can look at the players and quickly tell they are not 13 or 14 years old, most are approaching 15 by this spring and a few close to 16.
Why parents would let their kids participate in this kind environment is beyond me. This is not teaching them proper life lessons.
The above info is correct as we know of several players on 2020 who were approached and asked to repeat a grade to remain with Crabs. There is no way I would ever let my son play for this organization and he has no desire to. He plays with another 2020 elite team that has a few holdbacks, and they were for pure academic reasons, not for lacrosse.

You must be an FCA parent. Hope your last name is Kelly or you write 100k checks to FCA. If not your kid may not get any playing time

Ha...absolutely accurate..perfect

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be an FCA parent. Hope your last name is Kelly or you write 100k checks to FCA. If not your kid may not get any playing time

Nope, completely wrong, not FCA. Funny how Crabs parents are so quick to push back and try and downgrade another program when they know they involved with the cesspool of youth grade base lacrosse.

Nope not a Crabs parents. It's funny how all non-crabs parents think that everyone who disagrees with them is a Crabs parent....You are a bit over the top with you dramatic comments. Get off your high horse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be an FCA parent. Hope your last name is Kelly or you write 100k checks to FCA. If not your kid may not get any playing time

Nope, completely wrong, not FCA. Funny how Crabs parents are so quick to push back and try and downgrade another program when they know they involved with the cesspool of youth grade base lacrosse.

Must be Looney's then.... Must feel great to have your kid play on a bar team... I hear they may change their name to chicos bail bonds

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be an FCA parent. Hope your last name is Kelly or you write 100k checks to FCA. If not your kid may not get any playing time

Nope, completely wrong, not FCA. Funny how Crabs parents are so quick to push back and try and downgrade another program when they know they involved with the cesspool of youth grade base lacrosse.

Must be Looney's then.... Must feel great to have your kid play on a bar team... I hear they may change their name to chicos bail bonds

Yeah what complete losers! Trying to grow the game at a community grassroots level. I really wish community establishments would get out of youth sports so they can all be run as for profit industries. That would be so much better. You know everything is better when it involves a bottom line with youth sports.

You get my sarcasm? Would rather play on Chico's team that has some integrity.

The 2015 Crabs 2020 team has players who went to Hawks, Next Level, 91MD, FCA, Looneys, etc. Including the MVP of the WSYL semifinal game. Don't expect to be there long if you don't re-class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2015 Crabs 2020 team has players who went to Hawks, Next Level, 91MD, FCA, Looneys, etc. Including the MVP of the WSYL semifinal game. Don't expect to be there long if you don't re-class.

You mean the kid that's now a backup....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be an FCA parent. Hope your last name is Kelly or you write 100k checks to FCA. If not your kid may not get any playing time

Nope, completely wrong, not FCA. Funny how Crabs parents are so quick to push back and try and downgrade another program when they know they involved with the cesspool of youth grade base lacrosse.

Must be Looney's then.... Must feel great to have your kid play on a bar team... I hear they may change their name to chicos bail bonds

Yeah what complete losers! Trying to grow the game at a community grassroots level. I really wish community establishments would get out of youth sports so they can all be run as for profit industries. That would be so much better. You know everything is better when it involves a bottom line with youth sports.

You get my sarcasm? Would rather play on Chico's team that has some integrity.

Looney's? Integrity? Hahahaha. Yes, I do get your sarcasm!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be an FCA parent. Hope your last name is Kelly or you write 100k checks to FCA. If not your kid may not get any playing time

Nope, completely wrong, not FCA. Funny how Crabs parents are so quick to push back and try and downgrade another program when they know they involved with the cesspool of youth grade base lacrosse.

Must be Looney's then.... Must feel great to have your kid play on a bar team... I hear they may change their name to chicos bail bonds

Yeah what complete losers! Trying to grow the game at a community grassroots level. I really wish community establishments would get out of youth sports so they can all be run as for profit industries. That would be so much better. You know everything is better when it involves a bottom line with youth sports.

You get my sarcasm? Would rather play on Chico's team that has some integrity.

Another Daddy Ball organization...How kids did Doyle run out this year???Uhhg the 2021 team and really all of the other teams are just terribly coached and just bad..2020 being the exception

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be an FCA parent. Hope your last name is Kelly or you write 100k checks to FCA. If not your kid may not get any playing time

Nope, completely wrong, not FCA. Funny how Crabs parents are so quick to push back and try and downgrade another program when they know they involved with the cesspool of youth grade base lacrosse.

Must be Looney's then.... Must feel great to have your kid play on a bar team... I hear they may change their name to chicos bail bonds

Yeah what complete losers! Trying to grow the game at a community grassroots level. I really wish community establishments would get out of youth sports so they can all be run as for profit industries. That would be so much better. You know everything is better when it involves a bottom line with youth sports.

You get my sarcasm? Would rather play on Chico's team that has some integrity.

Looney's? Integrity? Hahahaha. Yes, I do get your sarcasm!

I'm not associated with Looney's but that team has so much more integrity than Crabs ever will. Just look at the person who founded Crabs and runs their for profit part of the program. There is where his interest is focused. That and the holdback scam that he runs, you know, older and bigger kids are always going to make him look like a great coach, which he isn't.
Just watch old Ryan at a game, his lacrosse IQ is very low.
As for bar teams, Looney's, Green Turtle, Koopers, they all have so much more integrity than
Crabs or their leader ever will. And it appears that the parents fall right into the same category. You need to reach down and pull your head out to see what is really going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be an FCA parent. Hope your last name is Kelly or you write 100k checks to FCA. If not your kid may not get any playing time

Nope, completely wrong, not FCA. Funny how Crabs parents are so quick to push back and try and downgrade another program when they know they involved with the cesspool of youth grade base lacrosse.

Must be Looney's then.... Must feel great to have your kid play on a bar team... I hear they may change their name to chicos bail bonds

Yeah what complete losers! Trying to grow the game at a community grassroots level. I really wish community establishments would get out of youth sports so they can all be run as for profit industries. That would be so much better. You know everything is better when it involves a bottom line with youth sports.

You get my sarcasm? Would rather play on Chico's team that has some integrity.

Looney's? Integrity? Hahahaha. Yes, I do get your sarcasm!

I'm not associated with Looney's but that team has so much more integrity than Crabs ever will. Just look at the person who founded Crabs and runs their for profit part of the program. There is where his interest is focused. That and the holdback scam that he runs, you know, older and bigger kids are always going to make him look like a great coach, which he isn't.
Just watch old Ryan at a game, his lacrosse IQ is very low.
As for bar teams, Looney's, Green Turtle, Koopers, they all have so much more integrity than
Crabs or their leader ever will. And it appears that the parents fall right into the same category. You need to reach down and pull your head out to see what is really going on.

See that's the funny part..He makes no money from his teams...Where he does make his money is from his tournaments..No different than Hawks or Madlax...Get you facts straight. Looney's

See that's the funny part..He makes no money from his teams...Where he does make his money is from his tournaments..No different than Hawks or Madlax...Get you facts straight. Looney's

Ever see the team line up in a Crabs tournament. Ryan M makes sure his teams play against the weakest teams so that the Crab teams have a better shot getting to the championship game. This low like even "games" his tournaments.
Those are the straight facts, Crab dad. Now again, reach down and pull you head out.

Looney's kicked a junior and a sophomore team to the curb, forcing those parents to scramble. That's real integrity for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs is and always will be a target for these kinds of attacks. Usually the best teams will. I know that the youngest Crabs team has 0 playbacks. They are very good and well coached. They will win a lot this year and may loose a few as well. After every win you will hear parents claim foul and crabs cheats. Parents seem to need to find a way to make excuses for a loss instead of moving on and getting better. I find it quite funny to sit back and listen to parents on the sideline

The holdbacks will change. The 2020 team only kept a few kids on the team from just 2 years ago. They brought down 3 from the 2019 team from last year as well as having another several kids repeat a grade to go from other clubs as 2019 players to Crabs 2020. Hope your kid doesn't end up being one of the kids left out in the future.

100% agree! Their 2020 team looks nothing like it did 2 yrs ago. You think your kid won't get bumped down? Well, maybe they'll ride the bench then while the older kids play for them on their team. I still think it is a shame that some of the faces of the Crabs seen all over tv in Denver were cut for older kids. Disgraceful.

If the Crabs have the best 100 plus kids at try outs why do they need to keep having their older kids play on younger teams? Seems odd- no? If 2/3 of a team was reclassed at some point, you'd think parents would realize their kids are being dumbed down. Talented kids and teams challenge themselves. It's comical how the parents of this organization feel proud of their kids. I'd be embarrassed for my kid or team if they played younger kids regularly and couldn't man up and play on age. While not technically cheating, it's cheating the kids out of being the best they can be and robbing others of a spot that belong there. Embarrassing to down your kid down in the classroom and the field- period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's kicked a junior and a sophomore team to the curb, forcing those parents to scramble. That's real integrity for you.

No, they did not kick them to the curb. Both teams were weak, this was explained to the parents/players and they were upfront with them. Rather than put them in any league where they would not do well at all, they gave them a chance to find other clubs to play for and have an opportunity to grow.
That is much better than just putting them in a league and not be able to perform. That is showing integrity and honesty.

Do you think king Crab daddy would have done this in the same situation? I'd say no, he would just take their money and slowly bring in older players to replace them.
Crab parents/fans are just as obnoxious and disgraceful as the leader of the cesspool, Ryan M. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's kicked a junior and a sophomore team to the curb, forcing those parents to scramble. That's real integrity for you.

No, they did not kick them to the curb. Both teams were weak, this was explained to the parents/players and they were upfront with them. Rather than put them in any league where they would not do well at all, they gave them a chance to find other clubs to play for and have an opportunity to grow.
That is much better than just putting them in a league and not be able to perform. That is showing integrity and honesty.

Do you think king Crab daddy would have done this in the same situation? I'd say no, he would just take their money and slowly bring in older players to replace them.
Crab parents/fans are just as obnoxious and disgraceful as the leader of the cesspool, Ryan M. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, again.

Dude you are a fucktard...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's kicked a junior and a sophomore team to the curb, forcing those parents to scramble. That's real integrity for you.

No, they did not kick them to the curb. Both teams were weak, this was explained to the parents/players and they were upfront with them. Rather than put them in any league where they would not do well at all, they gave them a chance to find other clubs to play for and have an opportunity to grow.
That is much better than just putting them in a league and not be able to perform. That is showing integrity and honesty.

Do you think king Crab daddy would have done this in the same situation? I'd say no, he would just take their money and slowly bring in older players to replace them.
Crab parents/fans are just as obnoxious and disgraceful as the leader of the cesspool, Ryan M. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, again.

Dude you are a fucktard...

Doubt you even know what that means, but I bet your wife does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs is and always will be a target for these kinds of attacks. Usually the best teams will. I know that the youngest Crabs team has 0 playbacks. They are very good and well coached. They will win a lot this year and may loose a few as well. After every win you will hear parents claim foul and crabs cheats. Parents seem to need to find a way to make excuses for a loss instead of moving on and getting better. I find it quite funny to sit back and listen to parents on the sideline

The youngest Crabs team is 2023, so these kids are 10 years old and most likely at this point have not been held back.
However, moving forward in the Crabs program, at some point, usually when they are approaching 7th or 8th grade, many will be approached and advised that if they wish to remain with the program they will need to repeat a grade.
This is how Ryan M works the grade base system and if you look at Crabs 2021 and especially the 2020 team for this year, there are many holdbacks. The 2020 team even has two double holdbacks.
This is the sole reason why Crabs is a target, is simply because they violate the true spirit of grade base lacrosse.
Yes, other parents will, at times, [lacrosse] about
Crabs, but it is simply for the reason they violate the system. When a team does lose to Crabs, most do not count it as a loss, they simply know that they played a team much older and bigger, again, how Ryan McClernan "works" the system.
Most club teams have holdbacks, usually 1 to 3, but Crabs 2020 has a crap load of holdbacks. Go watch this team, you can look at the players and quickly tell they are not 13 or 14 years old, most are approaching 15 by this spring and a few close to 16.
Why parents would let their kids participate in this kind environment is beyond me. This is not teaching them proper life lessons.
The above info is correct as we know of several players on 2020 who were approached and asked to repeat a grade to remain with Crabs. There is no way I would ever let my son play for this organization and he has no desire to. He plays with another 2020 elite team that has a few holdbacks, and they were for pure academic reasons, not for lacrosse.

academic holdback is still wrong.

That's probably the dumbest thing you've said since your last post.

If a kid does K or 1st twice for school reasons how is this wrong. I agree he should play up a grade level until this 8th grade year in the spring. But this family made a choice that is best for the son. So there is no way this family should be lumped in with the 8th grade repeaters with great grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's probably the dumbest thing you've said since your last post.

What is? No one knows what you are even referring to. Seems Crabs people can't get anything right.

The holdback effect has been awesome for my son. He is on age and knows there is an unfair advantage but has responded by working harder to compensate. This is the real world and overcoming the cheaters of the world is one of the best life lessons one can learn.

Why is crabs 2021 not trying to qualify for World Series of Youth Lacrosse? Last year they are runners up and this you they don't even compete. I know 2021 isn't loaded up like 2020 but still a decent team.

Who cares about that tournament? It is a sham. Last year, it only had two decent teams (albeit the 2 best in the US). The rest of the field was terrible.

With the exception of the TV angle, it is basically like the [lacrosse]'s tournament - a faraway tournament with 2-3 really good teams and the rest are garbage. That's a lot to make parents pay just so that they can brag in the carpool line that their son was on TV.

If the tournament was held on the East Coast and you could get the best teams from the tri-state are and mid-atlantic, it would be a much different story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about that tournament? It is a sham. Last year, it only had two decent teams (albeit the 2 best in the US). The rest of the field was terrible.

With the exception of the TV angle, it is basically like the [lacrosse]'s tournament - a faraway tournament with 2-3 really good teams and the rest are garbage. That's a lot to make parents pay just so that they can brag in the carpool line that their son was on TV.

If the tournament was held on the East Coast and you could get the best teams from the tri-state are and mid-atlantic, it would be a much different story.

Hey [lacrosse], you are way out of line calling a youth lacrosse team garbage. If they are not a strong team, say they are not that strong, but saying they are garbage is putting them in your class, and I am sure they do not want to be there with a butthead like you.

There is an age restriction in that tournament. The 2021 team has over ten kids that would be too old. They would not be able to field a team in that tournament.

what is the age restriction?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is crabs 2021 not trying to qualify for World Series of Youth Lacrosse? Last year they are runners up and this you they don't even compete. I know 2021 isn't loaded up like 2020 but still a decent team.

Very simple and easy to understand.......

They have many kids too old to play with the age restrictions. Which is incredible as the age restriction is May 1!!!

Crabs cant cheat their way to top..Even tho they still should be able to field a great team with the current ridiculous age restrictions of May 1 or is it June 1?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about that tournament? It is a sham. Last year, it only had two decent teams (albeit the 2 best in the US). The rest of the field was terrible.

With the exception of the TV angle, it is basically like the [lacrosse]'s tournament - a faraway tournament with 2-3 really good teams and the rest are garbage. That's a lot to make parents pay just so that they can brag in the carpool line that their son was on TV.

If the tournament was held on the East Coast and you could get the best teams from the tri-state are and mid-atlantic, it would be a much different story.

Competition was not as strong as it could have been, but the experience was incredible. Sometimes life is not all about being among the best, but the overall experience. I think the competition will continue to get stronger. I think it is great that it is aged based. It allows kids to compete with their peers, and not with their older brother's peers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about that tournament? It is a sham. Last year, it only had two decent teams (albeit the 2 best in the US). The rest of the field was terrible.

With the exception of the TV angle, it is basically like the [lacrosse]'s tournament - a faraway tournament with 2-3 really good teams and the rest are garbage. That's a lot to make parents pay just so that they can brag in the carpool line that their son was on TV.

If the tournament was held on the East Coast and you could get the best teams from the tri-state are and mid-atlantic, it would be a much different story.

Competition was not as strong as it could have been, but the experience was incredible. Sometimes life is not all about being among the best, but the overall experience. I think the competition will continue to get stronger. I think it is great that it is aged based. It allows kids to compete with their peers, and not with their older brother's peers.

Why it is true it does actually have a age restriction for all. The date is May 1. This is a ridiculous date to pick. The restriction is to accommodate holdbacks/reclassify/prefirst or whatever you want to call them. The age should have been aligned with USL age which is Aug 31.. So you still have to play against some of your brothers friends just not all.

Hey Crabs 2020, why don't you post on your website that last Sunday, 4/3, at The Hill School that you just left and never played your scheduled third game.
Seems you can post the winning scores of your first two games but why not let everyone know how much of a scumbag operation you are by just leaving and causing everyone to scramble to rearrange the schedule.
What a classless operation.

When do the Crabs teams get so age heavy? If you look at the 5th and 6th grade teams the Crabs boys look appropriate for their age? Do they shed boys or push them down a grade in 7th and 8th grade? Is this something that the Baltimore private schools foster? Are they the ones really advocating for the boys to hold back? Seems like they would be just as at fault as the Crabs organization?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the Crabs teams get so age heavy? If you look at the 5th and 6th grade teams the Crabs boys look appropriate for their age? Do they shed boys or push them down a grade in 7th and 8th grade? Is this something that the Baltimore private schools foster? Are they the ones really advocating for the boys to hold back? Seems like they would be just as at fault as the Crabs organization?

Yes, they re-class kids coming in from other schools to places like BL, Gilman and McDonogh. The schools are ok with it. If they are already in the school, they leave and repeat the grade at another school then return to the original school.

So don't be fooled. There are kids on the 2022 team that are not what is considered age appropriate. There is at least one player, if not already, turns 14 this spring. There are others in the same boat for turning 13. But does it really matter? Probably not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So don't be fooled. There are kids on the 2022 team that are not what is considered age appropriate. There is at least one player, if not already, turns 14 this spring. There are others in the same boat for turning 13. But does it really matter? Probably not.

Fact: there are ZERO 2022 players that turn 14 this year and only a few that turn 13 before 9/1. Grow up dude and stop making up lies....

I am grown, dude. I know the family and my son is friends with one of the older brothers. Don't blame yourself when you find out. No one would or should suspect it. But like I said, probably doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So don't be fooled. There are kids on the 2022 team that are not what is considered age appropriate. There is at least one player, if not already, turns 14 this spring. There are others in the same boat for turning 13. But does it really matter? Probably not.

Fact: there are ZERO 2022 players that turn 14 this year and only a few that turn 13 before 9/1. Grow up dude and stop making up lies....

So already(by your admission) on a 6th grade team Crabs have several prefirst/holdbacks. That will only get increased as each year goes by. At 7th grade this team will add more holdbacks/prefirst (6-8) and when they are in 8th grade the entire starting lineup and several subs will be prefirst/holdbacks (10-13). That is what many claim the Crabs have now on the current 8th grade team (2020).The current 2220 team has over 10 players playing down.Oops playing within grade base rules ..Dont want to upset the Crabs parents logic or morals. Of course it is fair to have a select group of youth children play down against the majority of children. Makes sense to Crabs logic and parents..just not common sense.

https://www.nhl.com/news/study-sugg...layers-born-earlier-in-the-year/c-657724

Read this everyone that talks about the reclass or holdback issues. Needs to read about this study. Its about Hockey but this is what most people are thinking about when they argue about this issue we are all beating to death.

[lacrosse]/h...the-relative-age-effect-in-youth-sports/
This article is better.

Saw most of the 2022 Hawks / Madlax match up and stayed to see a bit of the Crabs / 3D game. Just from my viewpoint along the fence close to the field, either 4-5 boys on Crabs are insanely big and athletically developed or they are holdbacks. 99% of the time if a 6th grader is really big then they are a bit awkward due to a recent growth spurt. The Crabs kids appeared to be big and already through the awkward stage. Non the less, very good team and impressive lacrosse IQ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am grown, dude. I know the family and my son is friends with one of the older brothers. Don't blame yourself when you find out. No one would or should suspect it. But like I said, probably doesn't matter.

No one on Crabs 2022 is born in 2002. I know that for a fact. So maybe you should get your facts straight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am grown, dude. I know the family and my son is friends with one of the older brothers. Don't blame yourself when you find out. No one would or should suspect it. But like I said, probably doesn't matter.

No one on Crabs 2022 is born in 2002. I know that for a fact. So maybe you should get your facts straight.

. Be careful with your statements. Crabs rosters were accidentally released last November at the tournament at McDonogh school. There are quite a few people who have the rosters, which includes players dates of birth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am grown, dude. I know the family and my son is friends with one of the older brothers. Don't blame yourself when you find out. No one would or should suspect it. But like I said, probably doesn't matter.

No one on Crabs 2022 is born in 2002. I know that for a fact. So maybe you should get your facts straight.

. Be careful with your statements. Crabs rosters were accidentally released last November at the tournament at McDonogh school. There are quite a few people who have the rosters, which includes players dates of birth.

Don't need to be careful with my statements. I know for a fact that there is no one born in 2002 on the team.

If the roster was released then everyone who saw it knows I'm right

2022 crabs finish no better than fourth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 crabs finish no better than fourth

Behind who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 crabs finish no better than fourth

Behind who?

Hawks
91
Cannons
Diamondbacks

The rosters that were accidently released were at a recruiting event. I can assure you the 2022 team roster was not one of the rosters released. You really should stop trying to trash a team you obviously know little to nothing about.

If all these leagues and events required US Lacrosse registration there's be no effort to disguise anything. Kids would be registered with a USL ID number and birthdate would be on their registry.

How many years has it been since any Crabs sponsored tournament required USL registration? When people fight to keep things secretive and oblique there are always reasons for it. What privacy matters people have with birthdates is offset by a greater need for fairness. In soccer kids are registered with transparent birthdates. Little league doesn't list birthdates but to register for teams you have to be in a age limit bracket. Those are bigger sports than lacrosse. Lacrosse wants to hide in te shadows it seems.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rosters that were accidently released were at a recruiting event. I can assure you the 2022 team roster was not one of the rosters released. You really should stop trying to trash a team you obviously know little to nothing about.

No. it was not a recruiting event, it was last November at a tournament at McDonogh school. This was not a recruiting event.
All of the Crabs rosters were released, by accident. I'm not saying their 2022 team has holdbacks, just originally said to be careful of statements because of the release as some do have these rosters.
I know nothing about rosters being released at a recruiting event. But I do know people who have the released rosters, I never asked to see them because I don't care, but if I wanted to see them they would show them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rosters that were accidently released were at a recruiting event. I can assure you the 2022 team roster was not one of the rosters released. You really should stop trying to trash a team you obviously know little to nothing about.

No. it was not a recruiting event, it was last November at a tournament at McDonogh school. This was not a recruiting event.
All of the Crabs rosters were released, by accident. I'm not saying their 2022 team has holdbacks, just originally said to be careful of statements because of the release as some do have these rosters.
I know nothing about rosters being released at a recruiting event. But I do know people who have the released rosters, I never asked to see them because I don't care, but if I wanted to see them they would show them.

Crabs 2022 has 8 kids with birthdays before Sept. 2003. One is a Jan. 2003 and another is an Aug. 2002.

There is no August 2022 birthday on crabs 2022. Oldest kid is 1/2003. Second oldest is April and rest are summer birthdays.

If they are summer 03 then they are holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they are summer 03 then they are holdbacks

If they are born in the summer of 2003 and held off starting kindergarten, they are not holdbacks. If they are summer of 2003 born and repeated 6th grade and are well adjusted kids with good grades, they are holdbacks. Even the public school counselors recommend for immature boys born in the late summer to hold off starting kindergarten - no parents are not thinking about 6th grade lacrosse when starting kindergarten.

Born before September 1, 2003 they are holdbacks for 2022

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Born before September 1, 2003 they are holdbacks for 2022

agree. might be for perfectly valid reasons but they are are older than regulars. My son was born in July 2005 and is a 4th grader. He was born 3 month premature and we have always been guided to go by his "projected" birthday for certain milestones. He was 6 when he started Kindergarten....that said, even though he is a 2024 kid, he plays and starts on a top 2023 club. It would be ridiculous with his current skill level if he played 2024. If he wasn't good enough to make the 2023 team, then, yeah, I guess he would play 2024. I would expect him to be the best kid on the team too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Born before September 1, 2003 they are holdbacks for 2022

Not a Crabs parent and can't say I totally agree with their philosophies but my son was born in Sep 2003 and my brother's son (his cousin) was born in July 2003. I don't consider my nephew a holdback when he's less than 2 months older than my son. Holdback according to what? A made up system where Sep birthdays prosper at the expense of August birthdays?

Making much more of the holdback issue than what it should be (in my opinion)

Agree with the above post. late summer birthdays are not holdbacks in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the above post. late summer birthdays are not holdbacks in my opinion.

They are not. A holdback is a reclass. It is a kid who repeats a grade -- usually eighth grade -- for non-academic reasons. It is for the purpose of gaining an athletic advantage. A child who holds off beginning kindegarten because he has a late summer birthday is not a holdback. Ask any kindegarten teacher: he or she will tell you that boys are better off waiting if they are a late summer birthday. You might thing: what difference does a couple of months make. Well, it makes a tremendous amount of difference. If you know anything about development or have ever taken an developmental education class, you would know this. Particularly in the modern classroom where kindergarten is what first grade used to be. Students are expected to be reading! This is why pre-first came about in private schools. Kids simply are not ready for the rigor of the curriculum when they are months younger than classmates. It gives parents the prerogative of waiting until the child is ready so that they do not fail from the beginning. If you do not have the option and are not a private school person, you can opt to wait to begin kindergarten in public school if you are a late summer birthday. Do some research about school readiness. Any kindergarten teacher will agree it is advisable. And don't even get me started about a co-ed situation. Boys are typically a full year behind girls in readiness and maturity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the above post. late summer birthdays are not holdbacks in my opinion.

They are not. A holdback is a reclass. It is a kid who repeats a grade -- usually eighth grade -- for non-academic reasons. It is for the purpose of gaining an athletic advantage. A child who holds off beginning kindegarten because he has a late summer birthday is not a holdback. Ask any kindegarten teacher: he or she will tell you that boys are better off waiting if they are a late summer birthday. You might thing: what difference does a couple of months make. Well, it makes a tremendous amount of difference. If you know anything about development or have ever taken an developmental education class, you would know this. Particularly in the modern classroom where kindergarten is what first grade used to be. Students are expected to be reading! This is why pre-first came about in private schools. Kids simply are not ready for the rigor of the curriculum when they are months younger than classmates. It gives parents the prerogative of waiting until the child is ready so that they do not fail from the beginning. If you do not have the option and are not a private school person, you can opt to wait to begin kindergarten in public school if you are a late summer birthday. Do some research about school readiness. Any kindergarten teacher will agree it is advisable. And don't even get me started about a co-ed situation. Boys are typically a full year behind girls in readiness and maturity.

AGREE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Born before September 1, 2003 they are holdbacks for 2022

Not a Crabs parent and can't say I totally agree with their philosophies but my son was born in Sep 2003 and my brother's son (his cousin) was born in July 2003. I don't consider my nephew a holdback when he's less than 2 months older than my son. Holdback according to what? A made up system where Sep birthdays prosper at the expense of August birthdays?

Making much more of the holdback issue than what it should be (in my opinion)

No one cares why and what reason a kid is held back. We are talking YOUTH sports..You must have some Birthday cut off. Youth sports wasn't made to let select kids ( prefirst/holdback, etc) get an advantage other children dont get...Just make Birthday earlier and let everyone play at that age that wants too...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the above post. late summer birthdays are not holdbacks in my opinion.

They are not. A holdback is a reclass. It is a kid who repeats a grade -- usually eighth grade -- for non-academic reasons. It is for the purpose of gaining an athletic advantage. A child who holds off beginning kindegarten because he has a late summer birthday is not a holdback. Ask any kindegarten teacher: he or she will tell you that boys are better off waiting if they are a late summer birthday. You might thing: what difference does a couple of months make. Well, it makes a tremendous amount of difference. If you know anything about development or have ever taken an developmental education class, you would know this. Particularly in the modern classroom where kindergarten is what first grade used to be. Students are expected to be reading! This is why pre-first came about in private schools. Kids simply are not ready for the rigor of the curriculum when they are months younger than classmates. It gives parents the prerogative of waiting until the child is ready so that they do not fail from the beginning. If you do not have the option and are not a private school person, you can opt to wait to begin kindergarten in public school if you are a late summer birthday. Do some research about school readiness. Any kindergarten teacher will agree it is advisable. And don't even get me started about a co-ed situation. Boys are typically a full year behind girls in readiness and maturity.

AGREE

These discussion arent why or what reason the children are held back. This is about a select group of children getting an advantage in youth sports that the majority of children dont get. Pretty simple concept..

And a kid held back in Kindergarten is heldback..Doesn't mean it is wrong in the less bit but the kid was held back compared to his peers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the above post. late summer birthdays are not holdbacks in my opinion.

They are not. A holdback is a reclass. It is a kid who repeats a grade -- usually eighth grade -- for non-academic reasons. It is for the purpose of gaining an athletic advantage. A child who holds off beginning kindegarten because he has a late summer birthday is not a holdback. Ask any kindegarten teacher: he or she will tell you that boys are better off waiting if they are a late summer birthday. You might thing: what difference does a couple of months make. Well, it makes a tremendous amount of difference. If you know anything about development or have ever taken an developmental education class, you would know this. Particularly in the modern classroom where kindergarten is what first grade used to be. Students are expected to be reading! This is why pre-first came about in private schools. Kids simply are not ready for the rigor of the curriculum when they are months younger than classmates. It gives parents the prerogative of waiting until the child is ready so that they do not fail from the beginning. If you do not have the option and are not a private school person, you can opt to wait to begin kindergarten in public school if you are a late summer birthday. Do some research about school readiness. Any kindergarten teacher will agree it is advisable. And don't even get me started about a co-ed situation. Boys are typically a full year behind girls in readiness and maturity.

AGREE

These discussion arent why or what reason the children are held back. This is about a select group of children getting an advantage in youth sports that the majority of children dont get. Pretty simple concept..

And a kid held back in Kindergarten is heldback..Doesn't mean it is wrong in the less bit but the kid was held back compared to his peers.

how much advantage does a boy have with a July / August birthday have over a September / October birthday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the above post. late summer birthdays are not holdbacks in my opinion.

They are not. A holdback is a reclass. It is a kid who repeats a grade -- usually eighth grade -- for non-academic reasons. It is for the purpose of gaining an athletic advantage. A child who holds off beginning kindegarten because he has a late summer birthday is not a holdback. Ask any kindegarten teacher: he or she will tell you that boys are better off waiting if they are a late summer birthday. You might thing: what difference does a couple of months make. Well, it makes a tremendous amount of difference. If you know anything about development or have ever taken an developmental education class, you would know this. Particularly in the modern classroom where kindergarten is what first grade used to be. Students are expected to be reading! This is why pre-first came about in private schools. Kids simply are not ready for the rigor of the curriculum when they are months younger than classmates. It gives parents the prerogative of waiting until the child is ready so that they do not fail from the beginning. If you do not have the option and are not a private school person, you can opt to wait to begin kindergarten in public school if you are a late summer birthday. Do some research about school readiness. Any kindergarten teacher will agree it is advisable. And don't even get me started about a co-ed situation. Boys are typically a full year behind girls in readiness and maturity.

AGREE

These discussion arent why or what reason the children are held back. This is about a select group of children getting an advantage in youth sports that the majority of children dont get. Pretty simple concept..

And a kid held back in Kindergarten is heldback..Doesn't mean it is wrong in the less bit but the kid was held back compared to his peers.

how much advantage does a boy have with a July / August birthday have over a September / October birthday?

Not much but compared do a Jan/Feb birthday, between the ages of 12-14 the difference can be noticeable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the above post. late summer birthdays are not holdbacks in my opinion.

They are not. A holdback is a reclass. It is a kid who repeats a grade -- usually eighth grade -- for non-academic reasons. It is for the purpose of gaining an athletic advantage. A child who holds off beginning kindegarten because he has a late summer birthday is not a holdback. Ask any kindegarten teacher: he or she will tell you that boys are better off waiting if they are a late summer birthday. You might thing: what difference does a couple of months make. Well, it makes a tremendous amount of difference. If you know anything about development or have ever taken an developmental education class, you would know this. Particularly in the modern classroom where kindergarten is what first grade used to be. Students are expected to be reading! This is why pre-first came about in private schools. Kids simply are not ready for the rigor of the curriculum when they are months younger than classmates. It gives parents the prerogative of waiting until the child is ready so that they do not fail from the beginning. If you do not have the option and are not a private school person, you can opt to wait to begin kindergarten in public school if you are a late summer birthday. Do some research about school readiness. Any kindergarten teacher will agree it is advisable. And don't even get me started about a co-ed situation. Boys are typically a full year behind girls in readiness and maturity.

AGREE

These discussion arent why or what reason the children are held back. This is about a select group of children getting an advantage in youth sports that the majority of children dont get. Pretty simple concept..

And a kid held back in Kindergarten is heldback..Doesn't mean it is wrong in the less bit but the kid was held back compared to his peers.

how much advantage does a boy have with a July / August birthday have over a September / October birthday?

Not much..But he has a huge advantage over other Children not held back who were born in July and / Aug of following year, and follow USL age rules. If you dont think there is an advantage of a 3rd over 4th or 5th or 4th grader than you have forgotten about elementary school.

If you want the special prefirst/holdback to play down..Then everyone should be able to play down. Youth sports wasnt made for special groups of players. Make the age 6 months to one year less than USL guidelines and let the parents decide.Anybody can play down regardless of grade. That would actually be fair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the above post. late summer birthdays are not holdbacks in my opinion.

They are not. A holdback is a reclass. It is a kid who repeats a grade -- usually eighth grade -- for non-academic reasons. It is for the purpose of gaining an athletic advantage. A child who holds off beginning kindegarten because he has a late summer birthday is not a holdback. Ask any kindegarten teacher: he or she will tell you that boys are better off waiting if they are a late summer birthday. You might thing: what difference does a couple of months make. Well, it makes a tremendous amount of difference. If you know anything about development or have ever taken an developmental education class, you would know this. Particularly in the modern classroom where kindergarten is what first grade used to be. Students are expected to be reading! This is why pre-first came about in private schools. Kids simply are not ready for the rigor of the curriculum when they are months younger than classmates. It gives parents the prerogative of waiting until the child is ready so that they do not fail from the beginning. If you do not have the option and are not a private school person, you can opt to wait to begin kindergarten in public school if you are a late summer birthday. Do some research about school readiness. Any kindergarten teacher will agree it is advisable. And don't even get me started about a co-ed situation. Boys are typically a full year behind girls in readiness and maturity.

AGREE

These discussion arent why or what reason the children are held back. This is about a select group of children getting an advantage in youth sports that the majority of children dont get. Pretty simple concept..

And a kid held back in Kindergarten is heldback..Doesn't mean it is wrong in the less bit but the kid was held back compared to his peers.

how much advantage does a boy have with a July / August birthday have over a September / October birthday?

how much does a boy with May/June have over a July/August?
How much does a boy with a March/April have over a May/June?
...

Because someone made the school year in MD Sept 1- Aug 31, yes the Aug birthday is a holdback. (Used to be calander year way back when).

And while boys may be, on average, slower to learn, most kids are even by second grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the above post. late summer birthdays are not holdbacks in my opinion.

They are not. A holdback is a reclass. It is a kid who repeats a grade -- usually eighth grade -- for non-academic reasons. It is for the purpose of gaining an athletic advantage. A child who holds off beginning kindegarten because he has a late summer birthday is not a holdback. Ask any kindegarten teacher: he or she will tell you that boys are better off waiting if they are a late summer birthday. You might thing: what difference does a couple of months make. Well, it makes a tremendous amount of difference. If you know anything about development or have ever taken an developmental education class, you would know this. Particularly in the modern classroom where kindergarten is what first grade used to be. Students are expected to be reading! This is why pre-first came about in private schools. Kids simply are not ready for the rigor of the curriculum when they are months younger than classmates. It gives parents the prerogative of waiting until the child is ready so that they do not fail from the beginning. If you do not have the option and are not a private school person, you can opt to wait to begin kindergarten in public school if you are a late summer birthday. Do some research about school readiness. Any kindergarten teacher will agree it is advisable. And don't even get me started about a co-ed situation. Boys are typically a full year behind girls in readiness and maturity.

AGREE

These discussion arent why or what reason the children are held back. This is about a select group of children getting an advantage in youth sports that the majority of children dont get. Pretty simple concept..

And a kid held back in Kindergarten is heldback..Doesn't mean it is wrong in the less bit but the kid was held back compared to his peers.

how much advantage does a boy have with a July / August birthday have over a September / October birthday?

how much does a boy with May/June have over a July/August?
How much does a boy with a March/April have over a May/June?
...

Because someone made the school year in MD Sept 1- Aug 31, yes the Aug birthday is a holdback. (Used to be calander year way back when).

And while boys may be, on average, slower to learn, most kids are even by second grade.

This is a completely inaccurate statement. Things often do not even out until high school or early college. The social and educational developmental of boys is well documented and it certainly does not even out in second grade and many factors affect when it does even out.

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crickets chirping from the Crabs.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crickets chirping from the Crabs.....

Sorry we are to busy practicing and getting better than you club...Rally not that hard since your kid couldn't make our teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crickets chirping from the Crabs.....

Sorry we are to busy practicing and getting better than you club...Rally not that hard since your kid couldn't make our teams

v. I call bs, your sh*tload of holdbacks are busy practicing driving the family car since they have their learners permit. Remember it is well known and accepted by ALL other club teams that a loss to Crabs is NOT considered a loss, your teams are a joke, so go pound your chest somewhere else because no one around here cares. Sorry Crab dad.

Lol. My kid is too young to make your 2020 team. He can't drive himself to practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol. My kid is too young to make your 2020 team. He can't drive himself to practice.

Too young and he sucks....Dad's a sissy as well....No place for you and your terrible kid on any Elite teams...Play Rec...Please

Ha! Good one. I'd expect that from the parent of a player on a team that puts 16 year old on the field with 13 year olds. Too bad your kid couldn't hang with kids his own age and has to play against middle schoolers. Impressive group of high schoolers you have assembled. Fraudulent team and misguided parents.

How can any parent put their kid in the position of being part of a club lacking sportsmanship by having kids play down just for a trophy. Really questionable parenting goals.

All are jealous. If king crab called you, your little Johnny would be wearing the colors. It's okay not to be wanted let it go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All are jealous. If king crab called you, your little Johnny would be wearing the colors. It's okay not to be wanted let it go.

Is that part of their indoctrination? Even if it were free, we have better things to teach our kid. Things like Right from wrong and that talent always plays up. . It is about the long term & not just the short sighted manipulation you let your child be a part of. Crabs will cut him the minute he is injured or a better holdback comes along. Real talent plays up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All are jealous. If king crab called you, your little Johnny would be wearing the colors. It's okay not to be wanted let it go.

If that POS m [lacrosse]**er ever called me he wouldn't like what I would have to say to him. He is not only disgraceful in youth lacrosse, he is totally disgraceful as a human being. That dbag Ryan McClernan would manipulate anything to gain an advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol. My kid is too young to make your 2020 team. He can't drive himself to practice.

Too young and he sucks....Dad's a sissy as well....No place for you and your terrible kid on any Elite teams...Play Rec...Please

If you ask me the 16 year old kids playing down two years should have spent some extra time in rec. Maybe club ball was too difficult for them, thus playing down with younger kids. That's just desperate! Can't believe any kid or parent would be proud of that.

Says the guy that posts nonsense constantly on an anonymous message board. Why don't you have the balls to post your name when you call people out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

Just remember Real talent plays up - not down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All are jealous. If king crab called you, your little Johnny would be wearing the colors. It's okay not to be wanted let it go.

If that POS m [lacrosse]**er ever called me he wouldn't like what I would have to say to him. He is not only disgraceful in youth lacrosse, he is totally disgraceful as a human being. That dbag Ryan McClernan would manipulate anything to gain an advantage.

Yeah right....You'd be ordering junior (and yourself) all the swag from the Crabs catalogue within 2 minutes of the phone call ending.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

That's complete BS. No one is 15 on the 2021 team. As everyone says, the rosters are out there with DOB. Stop making up lies.

Talent plays up, and crying ignorant dads post on BOTC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

That's complete BS. No one is 15 on the 2021 team. As everyone says, the rosters are out there with DOB. Stop making up lies.

Talent plays up, and crying ignorant dads post on BOTC

True, talent does play up, except for Crabs. Since they may have weak talent, they have many of their players repeat a grade and then play down for a year or even two years (the double holdbacks).
So Crab dad, stop saying talent plays up because it has nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs always play DOWN. It's the Ryan way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

That's complete BS. No one is 15 on the 2021 team. As everyone says, the rosters are out there with DOB. Stop making up lies.

Talent plays up, and crying ignorant dads post on BOTC

True, talent does play up, except for Crabs. Since they may have weak talent, they have many of their players repeat a grade and then play down for a year or even two years (the double holdbacks).
So Crab dad, stop saying talent plays up because it has nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs always play DOWN. It's the Ryan way.

You obviously have no clue and have never been to a Crabs tryout...I have never been to any other Club tryout where the kids/parents cut themselves after they realize they have no business being out there with the talent that comes from Crabs.. No one turns down an offer to play for Crabs. Now go take your bi-polar medication

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

That's complete BS. No one is 15 on the 2021 team. As everyone says, the rosters are out there with DOB. Stop making up lies.

Talent plays up, and crying ignorant dads post on BOTC

True, talent does play up, except for Crabs. Since they may have weak talent, they have many of their players repeat a grade and then play down for a year or even two years (the double holdbacks).

So Crab dad, stop saying talent plays up because it has nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs always play DOWN. It's the Ryan way.

You obviously have no clue and have never been to a Crabs tryout...I have never been to any other Club tryout where the kids/parents cut themselves after they realize they have no business being out there with the talent that comes from Crabs.. No one turns down an offer to play for Crabs. Now go take your bi-polar medication

Just ask ryan how many turn down thr offers. More than you think. He calls and calls and pressures and pressures and it is a turn off to many who really vlaue what is best for their kids. And....real talent would play up or at least on age. Not the joke of the holdbacks that crabs use. Many are also turned off at tryouts that the kids are just there to serve his purpose-he does not care about them as people. Just means to an end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

That's complete BS. No one is 15 on the 2021 team. As everyone says, the rosters are out there with DOB. Stop making up lies.

Talent plays up, and crying ignorant dads post on BOTC

True, talent does play up, except for Crabs. Since they may have weak talent, they have many of their players repeat a grade and then play down for a year or even two years (the double holdbacks).

So Crab dad, stop saying talent plays up because it has nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs always play DOWN. It's the Ryan way.

You obviously have no clue and have never been to a Crabs tryout...I have never been to any other Club tryout where the kids/parents cut themselves after they realize they have no business being out there with the talent that comes from Crabs.. No one turns down an offer to play for Crabs. Now go take your bi-polar medication

Just ask ryan how many turn down thr offers. More than you think. He calls and calls and pressures and pressures and it is a turn off to many who really vlaue what is best for their kids. And....real talent would play up or at least on age. Not the joke of the holdbacks that crabs use. Many are also turned off at tryouts that the kids are just there to serve his purpose-he does not care about them as people. Just means to an end.

Watching him go berserk on the sidelines I can imagine that some families say no thanks, we don't want any part of that. That and constantly pretending that what they are doing is perfectly normal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

That's complete BS. No one is 15 on the 2021 team. As everyone says, the rosters are out there with DOB. Stop making up lies.

Talent plays up, and crying ignorant dads post on BOTC

I guess the parents on their own team dont know?? Thats where info came from??
Where are roosters out there with DOB?? Since you know so much..How about posting DOB's..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

That's complete BS. No one is 15 on the 2021 team. As everyone says, the rosters are out there with DOB. Stop making up lies.

Talent plays up, and crying ignorant dads post on BOTC

I guess the parents on their own team dont know?? Thats where info came from??
Where are roosters out there with DOB?? Since you know so much..How about posting DOB's..

That poster will never post DOB, even if he had them, which he most likely doesn't. But here is a question for that poster. You state that Crabs 2021 does not have any 15 year olds, but how many holdbacks does Crabs have on their 2021 team? My guess, we will not hear from him. Crab dads and fans like to duck and run.

DOB for 2020 middie is 3/2000. So - this time next year he is 17 in the 9th grade. I'm sorry - but - that is beyond rediculious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

That's complete BS. No one is 15 on the 2021 team. As everyone says, the rosters are out there with DOB. Stop making up lies.

Talent plays up, and crying ignorant dads post on BOTC

I guess the parents on their own team dont know?? Thats where info came from??
Where are roosters out there with DOB?? Since you know so much..How about posting DOB's..

That poster will never post DOB, even if he had them, which he most likely doesn't. But here is a question for that poster. You state that Crabs 2021 does not have any 15 year olds, but how many holdbacks does Crabs have on their 2021 team? My guess, we will not hear from him. Crab dads and fans like to duck and run.

Transfer to bl playing 2021 - repeating 7th. Still shows up on some roughriders 2020 rosters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 has sixteen year olds on their team. 16 in the 8th grade. WTH?

Crabs 2021 has 2 15 year old on team...so nothing unusual about 2020 having 16 year old!

That's complete BS. No one is 15 on the 2021 team. As everyone says, the rosters are out there with DOB. Stop making up lies.

Talent plays up, and crying ignorant dads post on BOTC

I guess the parents on their own team dont know?? Thats where info came from??
Where are roosters out there with DOB?? Since you know so much..How about posting DOB's..

That poster will never post DOB, even if he had them, which he most likely doesn't. But here is a question for that poster. You state that Crabs 2021 does not have any 15 year olds, but how many holdbacks does Crabs have on their 2021 team? My guess, we will not hear from him. Crab dads and fans like to duck and run.

Transfer to bl playing 2021 - repeating 7th. Still shows up on some roughriders 2020 rosters

He's not 15. But way to call out a kid. Proud of yourself?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DOB for 2020 middie is 3/2000. So - this time next year he is 17 in the 9th grade. I'm sorry - but - that is beyond rediculious.

Maybe in 9th grade he'll learn to spell ridiculous. Apparently, you missed out.

If not - maybe his parents will hold him back another year.

it's nice to be home after another rainy day...Snuggled up I'm my Crabs PJ's thinking about how great my kid is because he is better than yours...Maybe I'll read my Crabs Handbook and dream of how bad my kid is going to beat yours...Our family thanks your crappy kid for making my kid look great on the lax field.. So happy that my 5th grader can drive himself to practice now...Really taking a burden off of me and my wife...Life is good and every one sucks but us......Sound far fetched???? Apparently everyone in the lacrosse world thinks this.....idiots....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it's nice to be home after another rainy day...Snuggled up I'm my Crabs PJ's thinking about how great my kid is because he is better than yours...Maybe I'll read my Crabs Handbook and dream of how bad my kid is going to beat yours...Our family thanks your crappy kid for making my kid look great on the lax field.. So happy that my 5th grader can drive himself to practice now...Really taking a burden off of me and my wife...Life is good and every one sucks but us......Sound far fetched???? Apparently everyone in the lacrosse world thinks this.....idiots....

Don't forget the Ryan M picture that is in your house like Kim Jon Un is in every North Koreans house.....It is written in the crabs handbook to cry and weap every time you walk by Ryan's picture to show your reverence and respect...All Hail Crabs...

Crabs 2022 goes down to team 91 Comical how the Crabs parents think their bigger, older, kids should be allowed to use their size for illegal cross checks, pushes, checks to the head, slashes to the back and legs, etc. without being penalized.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it's nice to be home after another rainy day...Snuggled up I'm my Crabs PJ's thinking about how great my kid is because he is better than yours...Maybe I'll read my Crabs Handbook and dream of how bad my kid is going to beat yours...Our family thanks your crappy kid for making my kid look great on the lax field.. So happy that my 5th grader can drive himself to practice now...Really taking a burden off of me and my wife...Life is good and every one sucks but us......Sound far fetched???? Apparently everyone in the lacrosse world thinks this.....idiots....

Don't forget the Ryan M picture that is in your house like Kim Jon Un is in every North Koreans house.....It is written in the crabs handbook to cry and weap every time you walk by Ryan's picture to show your reverence and respect...All Hail Crabs...

King Crab also has his right of jus primae noctis .

Crabs 2020 vs FCA 2020. Who will win the battle of the holdbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 vs FCA 2020. Who will win the battle of the holdbacks?

Crabs has significantly more holdbacks than FCA so they will win. The only reason they ever win is playing kids younger than them. If they were that skilled, their players would be playing up or at a minimum on age.

FCA hammered them 13-8. Wasn't even that close. Controlled the entire game except first 4 minutes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA hammered them 13-8. Wasn't even that close. Controlled the entire game except first 4 minutes.

Great job FCA!! On age vs on age allows for a whole other type of game as their legs are just as long, bodies matured etc. took the size differential away from crabs. Guess no dinner for,those crabs boys tonight by the way their coach behaves during a game.

Hey Crabs Dad..several kids on FCA 2020 were asked to play for Crabs and left...still think only the most talented kids play for Crabs..Crabs got cracked today and walked off all types of broken..#yourclueless...now go cuddle up in your Crabs pj's and your Crabs handbook.

13-8. What an embarrassment for the fat crab. Even with homer refs at BL they got spanked. Lol. Must be at home right now binging on pork rinds and monster energy drink frantically trying figure out how can bring 2019 players in for the playoffs. Cheaters suck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

13-8. What an embarrassment for the fat crab. Even with homer refs at BL they got spanked. Lol. Must be at home right now binging on pork rinds and monster energy drink frantically trying figure out how can bring 2019 players in for the playoffs. Cheaters suck.

A couple more games like that this season and any remaining on-age Crabs better start thinking about who they'll play for next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

13-8. What an embarrassment for the fat crab. Even with homer refs at BL they got spanked. Lol. Must be at home right now binging on pork rinds and monster energy drink frantically trying figure out how can bring 2019 players in for the playoffs. Cheaters suck.

A couple more games like that this season and any remaining on-age Crabs better start thinking about who they'll play for next year.

Wonder how their big double holdback middie did today. Believe he was shut out against Hawks. This kid is 16 years old, about 6'2 and weights around 190 and is in the 8th grade at BL. Yep, the 8th grade and 16, a double holdback. Plays for BL's 8th grade team and heard this past week against Gilman did a vicious completely unnecessary hit on a Gilman player and caused a concussion to the Gilman player. Not only should he and others like him be playing in the 2020 league, he should not be playing for a schools 8th grade team. I don't give a sh*t if he is in the 8th grade, he should be in the 10th grade right now getting ready to go into the 11th, but he will progress into the 9th grade this fall. His father should be so proud of what he did in the Gilman game, his father always referees to him as "the big guy". What a meathead.

Crazy thing is - I'm not sure WHICH 16 year old middie on the Crabs you are referring to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crazy thing is - I'm not sure WHICH 16 year old middie on the Crabs you are referring to.

He was probably covered today by the 16 year old FCA defenseman going to calvert hall in the fall after holding back this year. Driving for many months now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crazy thing is - I'm not sure WHICH 16 year old middie on the Crabs you are referring to.

He was probably covered today by the 16 year old FCA defenseman going to calvert hall in the fall after holding back this year. Driving for many months now.

He turning 15 this year... Good try crab dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crazy thing is - I'm not sure WHICH 16 year old middie on the Crabs you are referring to.

He was probably covered today by the 16 year old FCA defenseman going to calvert hall in the fall after holding back this year. Driving for many months now.

He turning 15 this year... Good try crab dad

You all so funny I wish you would all get together in person and talk this way to each others faces. The way you talk on here is shameful. Hide behind a forum and talk about people the way you do and about kids you know nothing about, you just assume you do. You all should look in the mirror when typing and really think about how big of an a@# you are. When someone wants to change the rule like they are talking about everyone of you are just wasting your breath. SO you go kiss your moms tomorrow with your potty mouths and have a great day.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crazy thing is - I'm not sure WHICH 16 year old middie on the Crabs you are referring to.

He was probably covered today by the 16 year old FCA defenseman going to calvert hall in the fall after holding back this year. Driving for many months now.

He turning 15 this year... Good try crab dad

You must be thinking of the wrong player. This one Is turning 16 - want the date? What is really crazy is that everyone knows these kids birthdates , ages, grade repeated and former teams yet folks still deny the kids ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crazy thing is - I'm not sure WHICH 16 year old middie on the Crabs you are referring to.

He was probably covered today by the 16 year old FCA defenseman going to calvert hall in the fall after holding back this year. Driving for many months now.

He turning 15 this year... Good try crab dad

Umm I don't think so but its all good. Kids a nice player and any 2020 team would love to have him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crazy thing is - I'm not sure WHICH 16 year old middie on the Crabs you are referring to.

He was probably covered today by the 16 year old FCA defenseman going to calvert hall in the fall after holding back this year. Driving for many months now.

He turning 15 this year... Good try crab dad

You must be thinking of the wrong player. This one Is turning 16 - want the date? What is really crazy is that everyone knows these kids birthdates , ages, grade repeated and former teams yet folks still deny the kids ages.

Sure go ahead and post his birthday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA hammered them 13-8. Wasn't even that close. Controlled the entire game except first 4 minutes.

Great job FCA!! On age vs on age allows for a whole other type of game as their legs are just as long, bodies matured etc. took the size differential away from crabs. Guess no dinner for,those crabs boys tonight by the way their coach behaves during a game.

FCA has tons of holdbacks. Don't kid yourself.

If FCA has a ton of holdbacks it just proves that on age the Crabs aren't much to write home about unless they are playing against 13 year olds.

Crabs 2022 spanked FCA yesterday so it evened out....

Hardly - 2020 is full of 16 year olds. 2022 is 6th grade lacrosse - except in the case of the Crabs its 8th grade lacrosse. Fat Crab's prized possession was dismantled by FCA. Sorry - on age - Crabs 2020 ain't spit.

Sorry, I was at the 2022 game--FCA kids much bigger on average and I know for a fact Crabs' 2022 on age....so pipe down.

Sorry - I've seen the rosters/know the kids - more than a few Pre-first kids on the 2022 Crabs team. Just think - by the time they are in 8th grade they will be able to drive themselves to practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry - I've seen the rosters/know the kids - more than a few Pre-first kids on the 2022 Crabs team. Just think - by the time they are in 8th grade they will be able to drive themselves to practice.

Going to pre-first does not mean having your license in 8th grade. Do the math. In eighth grade, a non-pre-first boy starts out 13, most likely turns 14 before the end of the school year (unless he is a late summer birthday). So, if a boy did pre-first, he would start out 14 and turn 15. In order to drive himself to practice, he would have to be 16 and six months, per the law. A person cannot have a license until he is sixteen and six months. That is the problem with you people on here. You exaggerate so much. Troublemakers. Ridiculous.

Take a look at the Crabs 2020 (8th grade) lineup. Multiple 16 year olds on the team. Yes - 16 in the eighth grade - not to mention the ones who will turn 16 by the end of the calendar year. Crabs game is holdbacks - that's how they roll. If you are even close to on age or don't see the field on the 2020 elite team you better be ready to repeat the 8th grade and play 2021 next year or you will be shown the door.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a look at the Crabs 2020 (8th grade) lineup. Multiple 16 year olds on the team. Yes - 16 in the eighth grade - not to mention the ones who will turn 16 by the end of the calendar year. Crabs game is holdbacks - that's how they roll. If you are even close to on age or don't see the field on the 2020 elite team you better be ready to repeat the 8th grade and play 2021 next year or you will be shown the door.

Well then that means they are double hold backs. However, my questions is this. What about the MIAA rule that states players cannot turn 19 before they begin their senior year? Where does that leave these guys if they are 16 beginning their freshman year? They will not be able to play senior year in an MIAA program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry - I've seen the rosters/know the kids - more than a few Pre-first kids on the 2022 Crabs team. Just think - by the time they are in 8th grade they will be able to drive themselves to practice.

Going to pre-first does not mean having your license in 8th grade. Do the math. In eighth grade, a non-pre-first boy starts out 13, most likely turns 14 before the end of the school year (unless he is a late summer birthday). So, if a boy did pre-first, he would start out 14 and turn 15. In order to drive himself to practice, he would have to be 16 and six months, per the law. A person cannot have a license until he is sixteen and six months. That is the problem with you people on here. You exaggerate so much. Troublemakers. Ridiculous.

You do know this is kinda of a joke to prove a point. If he can drive or not is really not the point.

Good question re: MIAA. How is this handled?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good question re: MIAA. How is this handled?

from MIAA website

2. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level.

When they become ineligible they move on to schools for a "P.G." year. IMG, Culver, Etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When they become ineligible they move on to schools for a "P.G." year. IMG, Culver, Etc

Exactly. Most prefirst only, have no problem playing their senior year in MIAA as they turn 19 from Sept to Aug. If they are prefirst and then held back again in 8th grade..It is off to a PG type school that does not have that issue of 19, as many of their players are 19-20.
I dont know specific kids but when the announcer says the TRUE Freshman is tearing it up in the NCAA ( which is pretty good)..I know some are actually Soph to Jr college age players!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When they become ineligible they move on to schools for a "P.G." year. IMG, Culver, Etc

And they really should only be a couple credits from a high school Diploma. So they should be able to get into most schools not IVEY with a summer course or two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry, I was at the 2022 game--FCA kids much bigger on average and I know for a fact Crabs' 2022 on age....so pipe down.

In no way can the statement "I know for a fact Crabs 2022 on age"
be true. If it is, state your name and case.

Crabs 2022 is not on age which is fine but let's not lie ..Their are 4 players that are hold backs . Guys why lie about it my sons best friend plays for them . Who cares just face up to it. That's why crabs don't play age base tournaments .

Only four! Why is that outlandish? Probably the norm for most clubs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only four! Why is that outlandish? Probably the norm for most clubs!

Not at 2022. That is more than the majority of teams in 2020 have, including the teams playing elite and AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only four! Why is that outlandish? Probably the norm for most clubs!

Not at 2022. That is more than the majority of teams in 2020 have, including the teams playing elite and AA.

Crabs need to have more than 4 holdbacks next year or else they will be only a 4th seed in the tournament again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only four! Why is that outlandish? Probably the norm for most clubs!

Not at 2022. That is more than the majority of teams in 2020 have, including the teams playing elite and AA.

Crabs need to have more than 4 holdbacks next year or else they will be only a 4th seed in the tournament again.

Whatever, they were 5-1

They got beat by mad lax 13-9 so they didn't make it in ..pay all that money , have all those holdback's and still can't win .whats wrong with this picture

2020 just crushed FCA 15-5. Roll Crabs Roll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 just crushed FCA 15-5. Roll Crabs Roll.

And with posts like this, you wonder why you get no respect. No only do you manipulate rules but lack sportsmanship when you are on the win side and throw temper tantrums when on the loss side. Would expect more from 16 year olds and their parents but considering the source and how you operate not shocked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 just crushed FCA 15-5. Roll Crabs Roll.

Don't pound your chest too hard, considering all the holdbacks and double holdbacks they have. Did the Cannons kid play in the Crabs game today?
Just a disgusting organization. By the way, the Cannons kid lives in St Mary's, Southern Md., which is where Cannons is from. Yet if you Google him, it shows he resides in Reisterstown Md. Guess who lives in Reisterstown, none other than Ryan McClernan, so the Cannon kid is using McClernan's address. How many ways do they find to cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 just crushed FCA 15-5. Roll Crabs Roll.

Don't pound your chest too hard, considering all the holdbacks and double holdbacks they have. Did the Cannons kid play in the Crabs game today?
Just a disgusting organization. By the way, the Cannons kid lives in St Mary's, Southern Md., which is where Cannons is from. Yet if you Google him, it shows he resides in Reisterstown Md. Guess who lives in Reisterstown, none other than Ryan McClernan, so the Cannon kid is using McClernan's address. How many ways do they find to cheat.

all crabs hudl pages say reisterstown mr super sleuth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 just crushed FCA 15-5. Roll Crabs Roll.

Don't pound your chest too hard, considering all the holdbacks and double holdbacks they have. Did the Cannons kid play in the Crabs game today?
Just a disgusting organization. By the way, the Cannons kid lives in St Mary's, Southern Md., which is where Cannons is from. Yet if you Google him, it shows he resides in Reisterstown Md. Guess who lives in Reisterstown, none other than Ryan McClernan, so the Cannon kid is using McClernan's address. How many ways do they find to cheat.

Easy for Hoco to check and Crabs would be forced to forfeit if they used an illegal player any time during the season. It is pretty easy to see that the player is dual rostered on Cannons and Crabs. But would guess to maintain a relation ship with King Crab this part of the rule book will be ignored along with the normal progressions and no high school players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 just crushed FCA 15-5. Roll Crabs Roll.

Don't pound your chest too hard, considering all the holdbacks and double holdbacks they have. Did the Cannons kid play in the Crabs game today?
Just a disgusting organization. By the way, the Cannons kid lives in St Mary's, Southern Md., which is where Cannons is from. Yet if you Google him, it shows he resides in Reisterstown Md. Guess who lives in Reisterstown, none other than Ryan McClernan, so the Cannon kid is using McClernan's address. How many ways do they find to cheat.

all crabs hudl pages say reisterstown mr super sleuth

Oh, does that mean all the players live with fatty. Why not put where the player is actually from. Any attempt to hide something?

Crabs are a joke - downright comical to see them play against on age kids. The FCA game was a beating and it should be given the number of 16 year olds on the Crabs 2020 team. Cheating Crabs vs Cheating Looney's Bar for the HOCO Championship.

Why does it matter where a kid is from?
you idiots will look for anything to try and trash the Crabs.

LOONEYS 2020 WINS.

Bahhhhaaaaaahhhhaaaaa....the fat crab must be suicidal. Love it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOONEYS 2020 WINS.

Score? Guessing the Florida fogo flew in? Proving again anything can happen in this bracket!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does it matter where a kid is from?
you idiots will look for anything to try and trash the Crabs.

That's simply because they deserve to be trashed, especially their leader. How was he acting today when Looney's beat them 8-3?

Looney's dominated all aspects of this game. 8-3 final is not indicative of how they outplayed the Mighty Crabs at every position. Bring on team91 so we can finally find out which 2020 team is #1 in the country

Crabs are older and that's about it. Looney's clearly the more skilled team. With their FOGO I'd say they have a real shot to beat 91.

"Why does it matter where a kid is from?
you idiots will look for anything to try and trash the Crabs. "

People don't need to "try" and trash the SCABS as they do a fine job themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are older and that's about it. Looney's clearly the more skilled team. With their FOGO I'd say they have a real shot to beat 91.

They do not really have a chance with Crush. Look at the games they played this year - without the fogo the games were close as all of the games in the bracket. They were not dominant and had close games in which they struggled. Crush is a team that is deep and skilled beyond Looneys. Careful what you say as you may end up embarrassing yourselves by boasting the way Crabs did.

Crush will beat Looneys and Crabs by at least 5 goals.

With that FOGO they can beat anyone including Crush. Without the FOGO they can't.

If Looneys gets a lead...they play the whole team.
Scores are not reflective of talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With that FOGO they can beat anyone including Crush. Without the FOGO they can't.

With the fogo, they still can not be Crush. Hopefully the two will schedule a game soon.

Congrats to Looney's 2020, top team in the area bar down!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Looney's 2020, top team in the area bar down!

Don't you have homework?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Looney's 2020, top team in the area bar down!

Don't you have homework?

. I doubt he has any but I would guess all the 16 year old 8th graders on Crabs have homework. Maybe fat [lacrosse] Ryan helps them with their homework, providing another opportunity to belittle and curse at his players. Seems Crab parents/fan really hate when another club gets positive recognition. Oops, that rightCrabs never gets any positive recognition, given how they operate and how their leader handles the pis*y club.

School is almost out. Summer is around the corner. Bout that time for the annual right of passage for Baltimore club lacrosse teams - reclassing!!!!!!

how many 2020's moving down to 2021's for tournaments this spring/summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how many 2020's moving down to 2021's for tournaments this spring/summer?

The whole team is reclassing because nothing on this earth is more important than the exhalted HOCO elite trophy, and they want another shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how many 2020's moving down to 2021's for tournaments this spring/summer?

None. Even Crabs own tournaments say that if you are reclassing you have to play for the grade you just finished. And unlike last year, there are no current 7th graders playing on the 8th grade team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how many 2020's moving down to 2021's for tournaments this spring/summer?

None. Even Crabs own tournaments say that if you are reclassing you have to play for the grade you just finished. And unlike last year, there are no current 7th graders playing on the 8th grade team.

don't bank on it! last year multiple 2019 players came down and played with the 2020 team at Beach Lax, and yes!, they were 8th graders who played 2019 and decided to repeat 8th grade.

Where does it say that about the school year you just finished for Crabs lacrosse tournaments? I don't believe it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does it say that about the school year you just finished for Crabs lacrosse tournaments? I don't believe it.

Written plain as day when you go to register your son for one of the tournaments.

Please post the rules as they appear on the Crabs website. My child was registered through the team. I'd be curious what it says.

I just registered for a crabs tournament and it said if you just finished 9th grade you and are repeating 9th grade you can't play in 2020 division. It didn't say anything about restrictions on people repeating 8th grade.

[quote=Anonymous]I just registered for a crabs tournament and it said if you just finished 9th grade you and are repeating 9th grade you can't play in 2020 division. It didn't say anything about restrictions on people repeating 8th grade. [/quote

High school leagues only let you play 4 years of a high school sport. So the popular and not disruptive 'standard strategy' is to repeat 8th grade to be old for the class. Constructive denial and a ruse to beard the problem. Typical Ryan McClernan arrogant idiotic way of doing his business as usual. In his own mind, this is running a tournament that doesn't allow holdbacks on grade based teams. Just pathetic.

That sound more like the fat crabs way of doing things. Born cheater....

Why can't Ryan McClernan FOR ONCE get his head out of the sand and either:

1. Put an age limit for 2020s and other grade based teams.
2. Not even bother with the repeat 9th grade condition...nobody gaming the reclass strategy is repeating 9th grade.

Of all the stupid things this guy has cooked up, this is transparently the weakest yet. Just admit it is a free for all or put something more than a red herring in the fine print that we can laugh at. I'm not supportive of putting private information on any child out there such as a birth date. But with a registration blocker based on age cap per grade has teeth and does not violate privacy. It's also forthright and a good thing to do. What a clown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why can't Ryan McClernan FOR ONCE get his head out of the sand and either:

1. Put an age limit for 2020s and other grade based teams.
2. Not even bother with the repeat 9th grade condition...nobody gaming the reclass strategy is repeating 9th grade.

Of all the stupid things this guy has cooked up, this is transparently the weakest yet. Just admit it is a free for all or put something more than a red herring in the fine print that we can laugh at. I'm not supportive of putting private information on any child out there such as a birth date. But with a registration blocker based on age cap per grade has teeth and does not violate privacy. It's also forthright and a good thing to do. What a clown.

You mean the kind that takes the parents word for what day and year the kid was born. The parent is told where and what to sign up for by the coach. They will just add a year to the birthday not hard to fix.

Here is the language:

"As parent/guardian, of this player, I am attesting that my son is registered in the correct division for this tournament. Realizing players may play up, but never down, I understand that my team will forfeit all games and be barred from championship round should there be an eligibility violation. The Tournament Director has not, and will not, make exceptions for players or programs attending Crab Feast and Young Guns.

2020 - If your son was in the 9th grade this spring 2016 and is repeating/reclassifying for 9th grade fall 2016, he is NOT eligible to play 2020 division."

Why does everyone complain about the crabs...If you don't like what they do or their tournament rules don't play in it...that simple...oh they host the best tournaments with some of the best competition so you feel you have to be there....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does everyone complain about the crabs...If you don't like what they do or their tournament rules don't play in it...that simple...oh they host the best tournaments with some of the best competition so you feel you have to be there....

people complain because they have kids who should be sophmores in high school playing against 8th graders! though, they still aren't the best team in their age.

So clearly there are kids reclaissifying on another team in the tournament that fat crab doesn't want his vaunted 2020 to have to play. He is a piece of work that rolly Polly red faced clown....

No surprise there is no language like that for the 8th grade team....

Any time a poster here needs to resort to referencing the guy's weight, you know the post is worthless.

Club owner decides what tournaments teams play in. If I had my choice I wouldn't do anything to put money in his pocket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any time a poster here needs to resort to referencing the guy's weight, you know the post is worthless.

But when you watch him on the sidelines during a game it is both comical and sickening. He carries on like a mad man, screaming and yelling at his players, throwing his had on the ground. The sad part is what he says to his players during a game, belittling them, calling them not to nice names and almost making them feel inferior.
This is no way to coach a team, but RM has a very low lacrosse IQ and this is all he knows what to do. Plus, his size/weight makes it that much easier to spot him.
I believe people call out his weight just because of what he stands for in youth lacrosse, his takes every advantage to game the system and even creates ways to game it to his advantage. I personally have no respect for this individual, regardless if his weight was 165 or 270, he is just a POS in the youth lacrosse world. This you know you have to agree with.

He's a bully and a bad overhang on the kids. Nobody should conduct themselves like that around a youth sport. It is deplorable.

Anybody know when the under armour all American underclass team will be announced?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any time a poster here needs to resort to referencing the guy's weight, you know the post is worthless.

You type like a fat guy.

We passed on the Crabs tournament because the fields they use are a disgrace. Like 2.5K entry to play on a uneven field and God forbid if it rains. Then they move the finals to the private school turf fields and wish all the teams who don't make the playoff round a regretful goodbye with no money back. Our tournament director begged us to go but there are better alternatives.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We passed on the Crabs tournament because the fields they use are a disgrace. Like 2.5K entry to play on a uneven field and God forbid if it rains. Then they move the finals to the private school turf fields and wish all the teams who don't make the playoff round a regretful goodbye with no money back. Our tournament director begged us to go but there are better alternatives.

Sorry you weren't invited. To try to finish either Crab Feast or Young Guns in terms of competition and how they handled the rain last year is laughable. While the other tournaments in the area canceled the Sunday games last year, on short notice RM secured turf fields at all the Baltimore privates to play the playoffs. Obviously your team didn't make the playoffs so you are butt hurt that you didn't get your fourth game of getting your asses kicked.

Find me another tournament that is able to do what they did to allow the tournament to get completed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We passed on the Crabs tournament because the fields they use are a disgrace. Like 2.5K entry to play on a uneven field and God forbid if it rains. Then they move the finals to the private school turf fields and wish all the teams who don't make the playoff round a regretful goodbye with no money back. Our tournament director begged us to go but there are better alternatives.

Sorry you weren't invited. To try to finish either Crab Feast or Young Guns in terms of competition and how they handled the rain last year is laughable. While the other tournaments in the area canceled the Sunday games last year, on short notice RM secured turf fields at all the Baltimore privates to play the playoffs. Obviously your team didn't make the playoffs so you are butt hurt that you didn't get your fourth game of getting your asses kicked.

Find me another tournament that is able to do what they did to allow the tournament to get completed.

I am not a Crab fan at all but this sounds like them doing what is best for the tournament. This guy should not try so hard to find something wrong with the Crabs and there owner. Just wait they will do something else clearly shady any day now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We passed on the Crabs tournament because the fields they use are a disgrace. Like 2.5K entry to play on a uneven field and God forbid if it rains. Then they move the finals to the private school turf fields and wish all the teams who don't make the playoff round a regretful goodbye with no money back. Our tournament director begged us to go but there are better alternatives.

Sorry you weren't invited. To try to finish either Crab Feast or Young Guns in terms of competition and how they handled the rain last year is laughable. While the other tournaments in the area canceled the Sunday games last year, on short notice RM secured turf fields at all the Baltimore privates to play the playoffs. Obviously your team didn't make the playoffs so you are butt hurt that you didn't get your fourth game of getting your asses kicked.

Find me another tournament that is able to do what they did to allow the tournament to get completed.

I am not a Crab fan at all but this sounds like them doing what is best for the tournament. This guy should not try so hard to find something wrong with the Crabs and there owner. Just wait they will do something else clearly shady any day now.

No one who does not play for Crabs is a fan... Those Crabs kids wear that as a badge of courage. They know how hard they work and they know how hard it is to make any of those Crabs teams... The kids accept the discontent that rubs off from disgruntled parents to their kids. Watch how parents and players react to a win or even a goal against Crabs. Its like they won the Superbowl.... Keep Hating. I think our Club will be fine....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We passed on the Crabs tournament because the fields they use are a disgrace. Like 2.5K entry to play on a uneven field and God forbid if it rains. Then they move the finals to the private school turf fields and wish all the teams who don't make the playoff round a regretful goodbye with no money back. Our tournament director begged us to go but there are better alternatives.

Trust me you did not pass on the Crabs tournament. You are full of it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]We passed on the Crabs tournament because the fields they use are a disgrace. Like 2.5K entry to play on a uneven field and God forbid if it rains. Then they move the finals to the private school turf fields and wish all the teams who don't make the playoff round a regretful goodbye with no money back. Our tournament director begged us to go but there are better alternatives.

Sorry you weren't invited. To try to finish either Crab Feast or Young Guns in terms of competition and how they handled the rain last year is laughable. While the other tournaments in the area canceled the Sunday games last year, on short notice RM secured turf fields at all the Baltimore privates to play the playoffs. Obviously your team didn't make the playoffs so you are butt hurt that you didn't get your fourth game of getting your asses kicked.

Find me another tournament that is able to do what they did to allow the tournament to get completed.

I am not a Crab fan at all but this sounds like them doing what is best for the tournament. This guy should not try so hard to find something wrong with the Crabs and there owner. Just wait they will do something else clearly shady any day now.

No one who does not play for Crabs is a fan... Those Crabs kids wear that as a badge of courage. They know how hard they work and they know how hard it is to make any of those Crabs teams... The kids accept the discontent that rubs off from disgruntled parents to their kids. Watch how parents and players react to a win or even a goal against Crabs. Its like they won the Superbowl.... Keep Hating. I think our Club will be fine....

[Well said. We use the vitriol and petty jealousy as a lesson as to how the world works. Great lacrosse, great players, great families and a lot of haters. The haters will always be there. The Crabs kids get it. Even take pride in it as you said. More so than the parents.)

Crab Feast and Young Guns are no better and no worse than any of the other tournaments I have attended. Both were fine even with the rain.

In regard to the Crabs kids wearing the hate towards them as a badge of honor - are you kidding? They are playing against younger kids. What are you teaching them? The parents and player react to a win or a goal because they just beat/scored against kids that are 1 and 2 years older. Don't flatter yourself that the Crabs are some organization that every other organization aspires to be like. No one wants to be like the Crabs.

Fielding teams with a slew of holdbacks is nothing to be proud of in most peoples minds.

How many 16 year olds on your 2020 team?
How many kids that will be 16 by the end of 2016 on your 2020 team?
How many players on your 2020 team will be on the 2021 team in the summer?
Who is RM afraid to play by concocting the silly 9th grader cant play on a 2020 team? Why not make that rule for every grade? you know why....

As usual there will be crickets chirping....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab Feast and Young Guns are no better and no worse than any of the other tournaments I have attended. Both were fine even with the rain.

In regard to the Crabs kids wearing the hate towards them as a badge of honor - are you kidding? They are playing against younger kids. What are you teaching them? The parents and player react to a win or a goal because they just beat/scored against kids that are 1 and 2 years older. Don't flatter yourself that the Crabs are some organization that every other organization aspires to be like. No one wants to be like the Crabs.

Fielding teams with a slew of holdbacks is nothing to be proud of in most peoples minds.

How many 16 year olds on your 2020 team?
How many kids that will be 16 by the end of 2016 on your 2020 team?
How many players on your 2020 team will be on the 2021 team in the summer?
Who is RM afraid to play by concocting the silly 9th grader cant play on a 2020 team? Why not make that rule for every grade? you know why....

As usual there will be crickets chirping....

No one who does not play for Crabs is a fan... Those Crabs kids wear that as a badge of courage. They know how hard they work and they know how hard it is to make any of those Crabs teams... The kids accept the discontent that rubs off from disgruntled parents to their kids. Watch how parents and players react to a win or even a goal against Crabs. Its like they won the Superbowl.... Keep Hating. I think our Club will be fine....

Is it really a win if you are playing kids much younger? Competitive games are good for both teams. No money in Lax. I could see this craziness if you could make millions like in baseball, basketball or football. But with not money in lax, the kids should have fun. Even ESPN is not making money on NCAA lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really a win if you are playing kids much younger? Competitive games are good for both teams. No money in Lax. I could see this craziness if you could make millions like in baseball, basketball or football. But with not money in lax, the kids should have fun. Even ESPN is not making money on NCAA lax.

Perfect...Go back to Rec..Sounds like Rec has what you are looking for

They better work harder because they aren't that good. Maybe they should re-class again.

Crabs are a fraud. Everyone knows it - even deep down the Crabs parents know it. Can't compete with kids their age so they play down. The scourge of youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are a fraud. Everyone knows it - even deep down the Crabs parents know it. Can't compete with kids their age so they play down. The scourge of youth lacrosse.

What happen to your donkey Cesspool comment...Upgrade your content??... Good Work.... You did start sounding like a pirate.... Hey what tournament is your kid playing in this weekend....Would love to come by and see you...Most likely you will not be playing in any of the same tournaments as us but, I am sure you are as great as your posts...Scourges and Cesspools...Arghh!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They better work harder because they aren't that good. Maybe they should re-class again.

If we are not that good then why are you on an anonymous forum spending your time trying take down one of the best programs in Baltimore...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They better work harder because they aren't that good. Maybe they should re-class again.

If we are not that good then why are you on an anonymous forum spending your time trying take down one of the best programs in Baltimore...

You got part of it right, the best CHEATING program in Baltimore. You know it and so does everyone else in Baltimore and beyond.
And you seem to spend much of your time on an anonymous form trying to defend this cheating disgusting program. Must have been coached by the leader RM.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are a fraud. Everyone knows it - even deep down the Crabs parents know it. Can't compete with kids their age so they play down. The scourge of youth lacrosse.

What happen to your donkey Cesspool comment...Upgrade your content??... Good Work.... You did start sounding like a pirate.... Hey what tournament is your kid playing in this weekend....Would love to come by and see you...Most likely you will not be playing in any of the same tournaments as us but, I am sure you are as great as your posts...Scourges and Cesspools...Arghh!

see you at the Hill, it will be crowded, perfect time for your son to practice his parallel parking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are a fraud. Everyone knows it - even deep down the Crabs parents know it. Can't compete with kids their age so they play down. The scourge of youth lacrosse.

What happen to your donkey Cesspool comment...Upgrade your content??... Good Work.... You did start sounding like a pirate.... Hey what tournament is your kid playing in this weekend....Would love to come by and see you...Most likely you will not be playing in any of the same tournaments as us but, I am sure you are as great as your posts...Scourges and Cesspools...Arghh!

see you at the Hill, it will be crowded, perfect time for your son to practice his parallel parking.

I will look for the angry guy in the Pirate hat who looks anonymously like a dork

I'm im prison - I have nothing better to do. How bout you?

Look at the UA rosters. The whole landscape is ripe with holdbacks, not just Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the UA rosters. The whole landscape is ripe with holdbacks, not just Crabs.

Its not only in Maryland either just look at the South roster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are a fraud. Everyone knows it - even deep down the Crabs parents know it. Can't compete with kids their age so they play down. The scourge of youth lacrosse.

What happen to your donkey Cesspool comment...Upgrade your content??... Good Work.... You did start sounding like a pirate.... Hey what tournament is your kid playing in this weekend....Would love to come by and see you...Most likely you will not be playing in any of the same tournaments as us but, I am sure you are as great as your posts...Scourges and Cesspools...Arghh!

see you at the Hill, it will be crowded, perfect time for your son to practice his parallel parking.

I will look for the angry guy in the Pirate hat who looks anonymously like a dork

i'll look for the guy berating his son because he still can't parallel park at age 16.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are a fraud. Everyone knows it - even deep down the Crabs parents know it. Can't compete with kids their age so they play down. The scourge of youth lacrosse.

What happen to your donkey Cesspool comment...Upgrade your content??... Good Work.... You did start sounding like a pirate.... Hey what tournament is your kid playing in this weekend....Would love to come by and see you...Most likely you will not be playing in any of the same tournaments as us but, I am sure you are as great as your posts...Scourges and Cesspools...Arghh!

see you at the Hill, it will be crowded, perfect time for your son to practice his parallel parking.

I will look for the angry guy in the Pirate hat who looks anonymously like a dork

i'll look for the guy berating his son because he still can't parallel park at age 16.

And you can easily identify them, they all wear Crabs swag. Remember, like the poster a page or so back said, they wear it like a badge of honor. Really, wearing anything with Crabs on it quickly identifies you as a cheat, player/coach/parent/ the leader of Crabs.

Loudmouth crab dad - how about answering the questions re: 2020 roster.

Still waiting for a response from Crab land about the number of 16 year olds on your 8th grade team. How many now and how many by the end of the year? All us losers want to know the secret sauce. Please help us understand just how you do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really a win if you are playing kids much younger? Competitive games are good for both teams. No money in Lax. I could see this craziness if you could make millions like in baseball, basketball or football. But with not money in lax, the kids should have fun. Even ESPN is not making money on NCAA lax.

Perfect...Go back to Rec..Sounds like Rec has what you are looking for

Already did all the club and college recruiting. Funny just want to help you not drive your kid out of the sport and get him to study. I sometimes stick my nose into these issues as you younger parents are just crazy. Wait 5 years and you will say "That guy was right. Wish we would have told our kid to study. Now he is the best lax player at burger king. " Enjoy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still waiting for a response from Crab land about the number of 16 year olds on your 8th grade team. How many now and how many by the end of the year? All us losers want to know the secret sauce. Please help us understand just how you do it.

Uh, is it ethical? Well, it's not illegal - Crabs Handbook

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really a win if you are playing kids much younger? Competitive games are good for both teams. No money in Lax. I could see this craziness if you could make millions like in baseball, basketball or football. But with not money in lax, the kids should have fun. Even ESPN is not making money on NCAA lax.

Perfect...Go back to Rec..Sounds like Rec has what you are looking for

Already did all the club and college recruiting. Funny just want to help you not drive your kid out of the sport and get him to study. I sometimes stick my nose into these issues as you younger parents are just crazy. Wait 5 years and you will say "That guy was right. Wish we would have told our kid to study. Now he is the best lax player at burger king. " Enjoy.

These summers just get more depressing each year. Two months of open season assault on the anxieties of kids and their parents. Just disgusting to see kids staged in front of middle aged men picking the nit to assess them for college when they are barely in high school. Lacrosse is basically the Little Miss Sunshine movie with boys substituted in. The talent shows are these expensive events put on for money to fat slobs who own the clubs. It's pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really a win if you are playing kids much younger? Competitive games are good for both teams. No money in Lax. I could see this craziness if you could make millions like in baseball, basketball or football. But with not money in lax, the kids should have fun. Even ESPN is not making money on NCAA lax.

Perfect...Go back to Rec..Sounds like Rec has what you are looking for

Already did all the club and college recruiting. Funny just want to help you not drive your kid out of the sport and get him to study. I sometimes stick my nose into these issues as you younger parents are just crazy. Wait 5 years and you will say "That guy was right. Wish we would have told our kid to study. Now he is the best lax player at burger king. " Enjoy.

These summers just get more depressing each year. Two months of open season assault on the anxieties of kids and their parents. Just disgusting to see kids staged in front of middle aged men picking the nit to assess them for college when they are barely in high school. Lacrosse is basically the Little Miss Sunshine movie with boys substituted in. The talent shows are these expensive events put on for money to fat slobs who own the clubs. It's pathetic.

Do us a favor poor little depressed dope....jump off a bridge

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really a win if you are playing kids much younger? Competitive games are good for both teams. No money in Lax. I could see this craziness if you could make millions like in baseball, basketball or football. But with not money in lax, the kids should have fun. Even ESPN is not making money on NCAA lax.

Perfect...Go back to Rec..Sounds like Rec has what you are looking for

Already did all the club and college recruiting. Funny just want to help you not drive your kid out of the sport and get him to study. I sometimes stick my nose into these issues as you younger parents are just crazy. Wait 5 years and you will say "That guy was right. Wish we would have told our kid to study. Now he is the best lax player at burger king. " Enjoy.

These summers just get more depressing each year. Two months of open season assault on the anxieties of kids and their parents. Just disgusting to see kids staged in front of middle aged men picking the nit to assess them for college when they are barely in high school. Lacrosse is basically the Little Miss Sunshine movie with boys substituted in. The talent shows are these expensive events put on for money to fat slobs who own the clubs. It's pathetic.

Kind of like Dance Moms just no make up. Most of the dads on here can not run to the fridge. Any athletic ability has long left them so the yell at their kids for their short comings. Funny. I imagine the insult guys on here..... 40-60 lbs over weight. Has not seen his belt buckle in years under the man flap he has so proudly developed. He makes up stories about how great they were in HS and now if very good at selling shoes. Al Bundy in real life. But Al was a nice guy with a hot wife. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really a win if you are playing kids much younger? Competitive games are good for both teams. No money in Lax. I could see this craziness if you could make millions like in baseball, basketball or football. But with not money in lax, the kids should have fun. Even ESPN is not making money on NCAA lax.

Perfect...Go back to Rec..Sounds like Rec has what you are looking for

Already did all the club and college recruiting. Funny just want to help you not drive your kid out of the sport and get him to study. I sometimes stick my nose into these issues as you younger parents are just crazy. Wait 5 years and you will say "That guy was right. Wish we would have told our kid to study. Now he is the best lax player at burger king. " Enjoy.

These summers just get more depressing each year. Two months of open season assault on the anxieties of kids and their parents. Just disgusting to see kids staged in front of middle aged men picking the nit to assess them for college when they are barely in high school. Lacrosse is basically the Little Miss Sunshine movie with boys substituted in. The talent shows are these expensive events put on for money to fat slobs who own the clubs. It's pathetic.

Do us a favor poor little depressed dope....jump off a bridge

Says the dad who wears Crabfeast tournament tshirts barely holding over the gut. I'm not depressed or overweight or compensating for anything. Have a nice day.

Crab dad - when are you going to come clean on the number of 16 year olds on your 2020 team?

What new holdbacks will be in the Crabs 2020 line up at the Platinum cup? With Team 91 in the tourney I am sure the fat crab is doing everything he can to try to not be embarrassed.

Before the crab spawn pounds their chests and says - "which tournament are you playing in?" - the answer is Beachlax. My kid is 7. My other kid is committed to an Ivy. Suck it. Enjoy the traffic..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab dad - when are you going to come clean on the number of 16 year olds on your 2020 team?

Crab tryouts are in August. Have your kid hit the wall, practice hard and come out for the team. If he makes it you wont have to worry about obsessing over Crabs anymore and posting questions at 5am.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab dad - when are you going to come clean on the number of 16 year olds on your 2020 team?

Crab tryouts are in August. Have your kid hit the wall, practice hard and come out for the team. If he makes it you wont have to worry about obsessing over Crabs anymore and posting questions at 5am.

Great response...A little obsessed to say the least..A little crazy is more like it....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab dad - when are you going to come clean on the number of 16 year olds on your 2020 team?

Crab tryouts are in August. Have your kid hit the wall, practice hard and come out for the team. If he makes it you wont have to worry about obsessing over Crabs anymore and posting questions at 5am.

It takes a lot of wall work to catch up to a kid 24 months older then you. We can agree the rules allow the older kids to play on these teams. But to gloss over the fact that its a clear advantage and "unfair" to the on age or young for the class kids is crazy dumb.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What new holdbacks will be in the Crabs 2020 line up at the Platinum cup? With Team 91 in the tourney I am sure the fat crab is doing everything he can to try to not be embarrassed.

Before the crab spawn pounds their chests and says - "which tournament are you playing in?" - the answer is Beachlax. My kid is 7. My other kid is committed to an Ivy. Suck it. Enjoy the traffic..

You have a 7yr old and a kid going to college....You might want to take care of that....2nd marriage maybe? Your first wife must of gotten fed up with you posting on an anymous forum at 5:30am and acting like an [lacrosse]..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab dad - when are you going to come clean on the number of 16 year olds on your 2020 team?

Crab tryouts are in August. Have your kid hit the wall, practice hard and come out for the team. If he makes it you wont have to worry about obsessing over Crabs anymore and posting questions at 5am.

It takes a lot of wall work to catch up to a kid 24 months older then you. We can agree the rules allow the older kids to play on these teams. But to gloss over the fact that its a clear advantage and "unfair" to the on age or young for the class kids is crazy dumb.

you are bat [lacrosse] crazy...Could you please find something else to talk about? No one cares...

If crabs played on grade level they were supposed to or equivalent to NY 6-8 months hold back how competitive or non competitive would they be

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab dad - when are you going to come clean on the number of 16 year olds on your 2020 team?

Crab tryouts are in August. Have your kid hit the wall, practice hard and come out for the team. If he makes it you wont have to worry about obsessing over Crabs anymore and posting questions at 5am.

It takes a lot of wall work to catch up to a kid 24 months older then you. We can agree the rules allow the older kids to play on these teams. But to gloss over the fact that its a clear advantage and "unfair" to the on age or young for the class kids is crazy dumb.

you are bat [lacrosse] crazy...Could you please find something else to talk about? No one cares...

Either silence or degrade anyone who questions holdbacks - Crabs Handbook

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab dad - when are you going to come clean on the number of 16 year olds on your 2020 team?

Crab tryouts are in August. Have your kid hit the wall, practice hard and come out for the team. If he makes it you wont have to worry about obsessing over Crabs anymore and posting questions at 5am.

It takes a lot of wall work to catch up to a kid 24 months older then you. We can agree the rules allow the older kids to play on these teams. But to gloss over the fact that its a clear advantage and "unfair" to the on age or young for the class kids is crazy dumb.

you are bat [lacrosse] crazy...Could you please find something else to talk about? No one cares...

Either silence or degrade anyone who questions holdbacks - Crabs Handbook

You might try to work with your kid more instead of crying on this forum....My kid does not play for Crabs but respect the players and the organization. Truth be told my 2021 kid is not good enough to be on their team...We are playing in some of their tournaments this year and was looking for useful information. Obviously nothing here but a bunch of entitled cry baby disturbed parents

I have one kid at an Ivy and one committed at a top 20 D1 program. They didn't play for the crabs and would even let them consider it. So - how many 16 years olds on your 2020 team? Just answer the question.... you won't....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have one kid at an Ivy and one committed at a top 20 D1 program. They didn't play for the crabs and would even let them consider it. So - how many 16 years olds on your 2020 team? Just answer the question.... you won't....

Hey Dip [lacrosse]...No one answers you because no one cares...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have one kid at an Ivy and one committed at a top 20 D1 program. They didn't play for the crabs and would even let them consider it. So - how many 16 years olds on your 2020 team? Just answer the question.... you won't....

Hey Dip [lacrosse]...No one answers you because no one cares...

You would be surprised Crab dad, many people would like to see how many there are. But as usual, the dic*heads at Crabs will never answer, they are ashamed to tell how bad they cheat/game the system. Just think, a ton of 16 year old 8th graders. How pathetic, just like the organization and the POS who runs it.
Ok, now we will just wait for the Crab faithful to push back and yell and scream no one cares. You are correct that no one cares about Crabs, but we would really like to know how bad you are gaming the grade base system.
Come on, answer the question or don't you have the balls to do so?

One of the middies was born in March of 2000. 16 and 3 months before he even finishes 8th grade. 20 years old when he graduates from high school. For comparison - my 2020 son who played in HOCO elite turns 14 in July. Completely ridiculous.

No, that's a complete lie. Nobody can be 19 years old at the beginning of their senior year. Try again, loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, that's a complete lie. Nobody can be 19 years old at the beginning of their senior year. Try again, loser.

yes they can, they can't play sports their senior but they can be in school at that age!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, that's a complete lie. Nobody can be 19 years old at the beginning of their senior year. Try again, loser.

yes they can, they can't play sports their senior but they can be in school at that age!

They can Graduate and go to a Post Grad. year.

MIAA rules state that you can not play a sport at the age of 19.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MIAA rules state that you can not play a sport at the age of 19.

Well you can keep saying this over and over again. But pleas explain the players with 2000 birthdays or 1999 birthdays that are listed and play on 2019 teams. We can agree we have seen and confirmed some if not all of these birthdays. Most people have no issue with these kids when they are 19 the issue is when they are 16 playing 14 year olds. When you you state that a kid can not be 19 and play for a MIAA sport are you implying there are not 16 year old kids playing 14 year old kids on these 2019 or 2020 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MIAA rules state that you can not play a sport at the age of 19.

That is misleading. You can't turn 19 before October of your senior year. There were 19 year olds on the fields of every MIAA team this spring. Baltimore holdback or pre-K playbook. The MIAA rules also state you can't play sports more than 4 years, hence the standard to do the repeating in grades before high school. When kids are plainly too old for the MIAA they can always do a boarding school year. The anew Englsnd leagues don't forbid 20 or 21 year olds. More than one generation ago my father was a 20 year old high school senior at a boarding school. But that was because he served in Korea, not because he was a sissy lacrosse player. The whole point to looser age standards was to give vets that chance. In Connecticut and in Massachusetts then it was unlawful to attend public secondary schools after the age of 19 without a special waiver. Sure the waiver was obtainable for vets, but it was burdensome to get. And these prep schools were very generous financially to admit vets regardless of ability to play.

Something tells me your 19 year old buttercups didn't serve country, so cut the crap and just eat it when people tease. You have no spines to stand straight up on.

You're welcome for setting this straight for you.

The March 2000 birthdate is completely accurate for Crabs 2020 midfielder. Sad but true.

One of my sons was born March 2000. He just finished his sophomore year this week. He is getting his drivers license this coming Tuesday.

Pretty sad that a parent would stage a kid this age in 8th grade for sports reasons, if that is the reason. Shame on you Ryan McClernan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The March 2000 birthdate is completely accurate for Crabs 2020 midfielder. Sad but true.

Ok so going from the post above here. That says its OCT. of Sr. year this kid can play his SR. year at a MIAA school. If he was born one month earlier he would not be able to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The March 2000 birthdate is completely accurate for Crabs 2020 midfielder. Sad but true.

Ok so going from the post above here. That says its OCT. of Sr. year this kid can play his SR. year at a MIAA school. If he was born one month earlier he would not be able to play.

oct 2000 born 2020 is an extreme single hold back that will still be 18 before the school year in 12th grade, He could play.

March 2000 2020 is double hold back - not supposed to play in miaa. If this is referring to the kid that made UA his bday is listed as march 2001

It is not the UA kid - he is single holdback. His father is a complete tool...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is not the UA kid - he is single holdback. His father is a complete tool...

Best solice in that comment is it doesn't aim toward a kid. Many are hold backs and nearly all Maryland lacrosse dads are tools. Does nothing to narrow it down much.

Crabs lose again. Better get some more holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lose again. Better get some more holdbacks.

Don't they have hold backs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lose again. Better get some more holdbacks.

Long ride home in the Crabmobile today.

At least half the 2020 team can take a spell behind the wheel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lose again. Better get some more holdbacks.

And again today...sweet.

Crabs 2020 lose again at Hill School. Pretty sad when a team full of holdbacks lose to on age kids from California. Enjoy the ride home fat man....

Anyone watch the video of the C2C (I think) from a few weeks ago. They look lost bad undisciplined.

First Crabs 2020 commit - to UNC

Big holdback middie that everyone bashes on forum just got offer to UNC. And that is why more and more people are holding their kids back. Because colleges could care less if a kid is 14 or 15 year old 8th grader.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big holdback middie that everyone bashes on forum just got offer to UNC. And that is why more and more people are holding their kids back. Because colleges could care less if a kid is 14 or 15 year old 8th grader.

Guess it comes down to whether the extra 25-50k in private school tuition is worth the 5k he will get from UNC?

Yawn. This surprises no one. Little boy Ty Ty Xanders says he looks the part - he's right - because he is almost 16. Parents probably spent more on private school tuition than he is gonna get from UNC. Enjoy the paper classes.

Now that he is committed is he still allowed to play with little boys?

Fat Crab will be taking credit in one, two, three....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big holdback middie that everyone bashes on forum just got offer to UNC. And that is why more and more people are holding their kids back. Because colleges could care less if a kid is 14 or 15 year old 8th grader.

Guess it comes down to whether the extra 25-50k in private school tuition is worth the 5k he will get from UNC?

I'd take it

Wow.. rough crowd. Are you guys really that upset ?? . I don't know this kid or his family nor am I a crab daddy but good for him and his family. . Regardless of age, D1 lacrosse players are an elite group of players. My son is on age and plays in the elite HOCO div and I'm happy for them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yawn. This surprises no one. Little boy Ty Ty Xanders says he looks the part - he's right - because he is almost 16. Parents probably spent more on private school tuition than he is gonna get from UNC. Enjoy the paper classes.

his birthday is public on UA website April 2001. He's older but don't exaggerate.

The kid will be driving in the 9th grade. He and his holdback Crabs teammates played the majority of their youth lacrosse against young kids and could barely squeak out wins. Wait till this knucklehead has to play against high school seniors - he is in for a rude awakening.

Maybe his meathead father, King crab and Ty Ty can all pile into the Crabs box truck and take a road trip to Chapel Hill in 4 years to watch him ride the pine on the 50 man roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid will be driving in the 9th grade. He and his holdback Crabs teammates played the majority of their youth lacrosse against young kids and could barely squeak out wins. Wait till this knucklehead has to play against high school seniors - he is in for a rude awakening.

Maybe his meathead father, King crab and Ty Ty can all pile into the Crabs box truck and take a road trip to Chapel Hill in 4 years to watch him ride the pine on the 50 man roster.

Actually, he played for Crabs 2019 the last two years. He only played for 2020 this year as he's in middle school and can't stay with 2019. Get your facts straight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big holdback middie that everyone bashes on forum just got offer to UNC. And that is why more and more people are holding their kids back. Because colleges could care less if a kid is 14 or 15 year old 8th grader.

Guess it comes down to whether the extra 25-50k in private school tuition is worth the 5k he will get from UNC?

Considering said kid would have never gotten into UNC(Or any other school of that caliber) without lacrosse, I would say that it was definitely worth it.

I think the OPs point was that the kid and his teammates routinely play against younger kids. A good portion of his teammates should be going into 10th or 11th grade. The days of gaming the system are over once they high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big holdback middie that everyone bashes on forum just got offer to UNC. And that is why more and more people are holding their kids back. Because colleges could care less if a kid is 14 or 15 year old 8th grader.

Guess it comes down to whether the extra 25-50k in private school tuition is worth the 5k he will get from UNC?

Considering said kid would have never gotten into UNC(Or any other school of that caliber) without lacrosse, I would say that it was definitely worth it.

Is he not smart enough? How do you know this? This may work to his detriment if he is in a school that is scholastically too challenging for him. Kind of like affirmative action. If you put a person in a rigorous academic environment with criteria outside of the academic requirements they are doomed to fail. You actually do the person a disservice and waste parents money as the likelihood of failing out is much higher. This kid may be smart enough but you comment insinuated he was not. I honestly do not know.

Crabs kids are never held back for lacrosse - they are only held back because they are struggling academically (wink wink)

Well makes sense that he's going to Calvert Hall ...they are one of worst ranked educations in MIAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well makes sense that he's going to Calvert Hall ...they are one of worst ranked educations in MIAA.

I won't disagree about the education at Calvert Hall. It is a weak educational school. This kid is a very, very good player and will run 1st line midfield next year. This will also serve to [lacrosse] off a lot of juniors or seniors that have waited and are capable of playing...this is the problem with Calvert hall...lots of promises, no follow thru. At least this boy got his commitment to UNC

Yup..but best players at CH don't always play. You are either on right side of Kelly politics or wrong. If your on wrong side..u don't play regardless of how good you are. That's why so many kids transfer out of CH each year.

Most of the MIAA schools are weak academically

BL
CH
MSJ
Severn
LB
AS
St. Mary's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of the MIAA schools are weak academically

BL
CH
MSJ
Severn
LB
AS
St. Mary's

You have no idea what you're talking about.

McDonogh, Gilman and St. Paul's are schools with strong academic reputations. The rest of the MIAA A schools are comparable to MD public schools (and is some cases, worse).

False....St Paul's andBL are on equal footing these days. BL might even be ahead of St Paul's academically.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yup..but best players at CH don't always play. You are either on right side of Kelly politics or wrong. If your on wrong side..u don't play regardless of how good you are. That's why so many kids transfer out of CH each year.

How can you run an effective and winning program if the best players dont play? Then what is the end game? Seems strange.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

False....St Paul's andBL are on equal footing these days. BL might even be ahead of St Paul's academically.

LOL! Everyone knows BL has no academic standards.

Exactly..how can CH have 1600 boys...a ton of scholarship money through Kelly's endowment, FCA feeder...and struggle for years to even make it to top 6 in MIAA...POLITICS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

False....St Paul's andBL are on equal footing these days. BL might even be ahead of St Paul's academically.

Not true at all

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well makes sense that he's going to Calvert Hall ...they are one of worst ranked educations in MIAA.

I won't disagree about the education at Calvert Hall. It is a weak educational school. This kid is a very, very good player and will run 1st line midfield next year. This will also serve to [lacrosse] off a lot of juniors or seniors that have waited and are capable of playing...this is the problem with Calvert hall...lots of promises, no follow thru. At least this boy got his commitment to UNC

No way in [lacrosse] this kid is running 1st midfield next year. There is a Kelly coming in and many much better players than him already there. He got shut down by several 8th grade teams this past school year. That and he is not an FCA/Kelly kid don't bode well for him.

Really. He just committed early to UNC. I'm sure the Kelly's had something to do with that. My guess is he plays for FCA next year.

Agree 100%. Fat Crab just lost his prized possession. FCA bound.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yawn. This surprises no one. Little boy Ty Ty Xanders says he looks the part - he's right - because he is almost 16. Parents probably spent more on private school tuition than he is gonna get from UNC. Enjoy the paper classes.

his birthday is public on UA website April 2001. He's older but don't exaggerate.

Everybody laughed at that date too- no verification in UA as it is grade based. He is older.

There are a lot of falsehoods here: The young man's age is accurate. He played up with my sonnand was one of the best middies on the team if not the best although many months younger than the other 2019s. Just because he goes to Calvert Hall does not mean he will automatically join FCA. There are quite a few Crabs who attend Calvert Hall. Carolina recognized that he is one of the most outstanding middies in his age group. He is also a great kid. We should congratulate him not tear him down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

False....St Paul's andBL are on equal footing these days. BL might even be ahead of St Paul's academically.

LOL! Everyone knows BL has no academic standards.

LOL!! You have no idea what you are talking about. BL has some of the most advanced Math and Science programs in the area. Are they behind in things like Foreign Languages? Yes. But if you are in BL's Honors and AP classes they are on par if not ahead of the other MIAA schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

False....St Paul's andBL are on equal footing these days. BL might even be ahead of St Paul's academically.

LOL! Everyone knows BL has no academic standards.

LOL!! You have no idea what you are talking about. BL has some of the most advanced Math and Science programs in the area. Are they behind in things like Foreign Languages? Yes. But if you are in BL's Honors and AP classes they are on par if not ahead of the other MIAA schools.

Please, don't fool yourself or try and fool others. BL isn't that strong in any areas, never have been and never will be in the foreseeable future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of the MIAA schools are weak academically

BL
CH
MSJ
Severn
LB
AS
St. Mary's

You are completely wrong, the two on your list that are weak are BL and CH, the others are strong, some more so than others but all strong with, again, the exception of BL and CH.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

False....St Paul's andBL are on equal footing these days. BL might even be ahead of St Paul's academically.

LOL! Everyone knows BL has no academic standards.

LOL!! You have no idea what you are talking about. BL has some of the most advanced Math and Science programs in the area. Are they behind in things like Foreign Languages? Yes. But if you are in BL's Honors and AP classes they are on par if not ahead of the other MIAA schools.

The school has the list of colleges attended by 2015 graduates.
There are no Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Duke, Berkley, ND, etc. on the list so I'm thinking the academics aren't too strong

Look at the BL college matriculation lists for each of the past years. They are all online. The PP is correct, from that perspective BL is abysmal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well makes sense that he's going to Calvert Hall ...they are one of worst ranked educations in MIAA.

I won't disagree about the education at Calvert Hall. It is a weak educational school. This kid is a very, very good player and will run 1st line midfield next year. This will also serve to [lacrosse] off a lot of juniors or seniors that have waited and are capable of playing...this is the problem with Calvert hall...lots of promises, no follow thru. At least this boy got his commitment to UNC

No way in [lacrosse] this kid is running 1st midfield next year. There is a Kelly coming in and many much better players than him already there. He got shut down by several 8th grade teams this past school year. That and he is not an FCA/Kelly kid don't bode well for him.

This kid has one thing going for him, his size. He is big and strong but in lacrosse he is at best an average player, just average. I have seen him play quite a few times and like another poster stated, saw on age 8th grade players smaller than him shut him down. He usually scores only when he has lots of time and room, but in close, he struggles. He also plays football and it is probably the reason he is going to CH, they have a stronger football program than BL. But since he has committed to UNC for lax, that is clearly his sport and not football. I have never met this kid, said he is a nice young man, his father on the other hand is a whole different story.

Funny I see Cornell on the BL matriculation list for 2016. Which I believe is an Ivy. on St Paul's website they publish college matriculations from 2011-2015 and not one student matriculated to an Ivy. If you actually tae a look at the matriculation list BL has a higher % of students attending selective college's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny I see Cornell on the BL matriculation list for 2016. Which I believe is an Ivy. on St Paul's website they publish college matriculations from 2011-2015 and not one student matriculated to an Ivy. If you actually tae a look at the matriculation list BL has a higher % of students attending selective college's.

Don't bring facts to this discussion. I will not argue that in the past, BL was behind some of the others. There has been a marked change at the school over the last 5 years and that is longer the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny I see Cornell on the BL matriculation list for 2016. Which I believe is an Ivy. on St Paul's website they publish college matriculations from 2011-2015 and not one student matriculated to an Ivy. If you actually tae a look at the matriculation list BL has a higher % of students attending selective college's.

Excuse me? Take another look at SP's college matriculation list over the past few years. Awfully impressive if you ask me.

https://www.stpaulsschool.org/page.cfm?p=4913&LockSSL=true

Last time I checked, Dartmouth, Harvard, Brown, Yale, Cornell, Princeton,and Penn are all Ivy League schools and are all listed as schools that SP students have and do attend.

Everyone knows BL is the MIAA school where the grade transcript doesn't matter.

The St Paul's Matriculation list is over the past 7 years because if they showed you on a year by year basis, like BL does, it would just look ok. Both are fine academic institutions and get top students into excellent colleges. Are they Gilman? Definitely not. To suggest that St Paul's is a better institution today than BL is silly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny I see Cornell on the BL matriculation list for 2016. Which I believe is an Ivy. on St Paul's website they publish college matriculations from 2011-2015 and not one student matriculated to an Ivy. If you actually tae a look at the matriculation list BL has a higher % of students attending selective college's.

Not true at all. Go to SPs website. They have students at a number of Ivy's. Also, they have the IB program at their upper school, which is a very challenging program -- far more in depth than AP courses -- and requires much higher qualified and specially-trained teachers. Do your homework. Oh wait... you probably went to BL, so you don't know what that means. My bad...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The St Paul's Matriculation list is over the past 7 years because if they showed you on a year by year basis, like BL does, it would just look ok. Both are fine academic institutions and get top students into excellent colleges. Are they Gilman? Definitely not. To suggest that St Paul's is a better institution today than BL is silly.

Gilman is resting on its laurels. Not impressive at all. They have not kept up with changes in education, and it shows.

Look at the matriculation list for past 5 years that is in the school profile, not 1 Ivy matriculation. Stop Living in past!!!!!!!!!!!Everyone knows that St Paul's is a place for spoiled rich pretty boys that can't get into Gilman.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the matriculation list for past 5 years that is in the school profile, not 1 Ivy matriculation. Stop Living in past!!!!!!!!!!!Everyone knows that St Paul's is a place for spoiled rich pretty boys that can't get into Gilman.

Holy smokes. The lacrosse talk on here is bad enough. Now we have a St Paul's v Gilman [lacrosse]-fest? Loch Raven HS rules

My kid is a public school kid. The problem with the ivy's is they have the haves and the have nots. If you are poor, you can get a full ride to the ivys with good grades of course. If you make over 200k per year the ivys think you can afford their college. (60k to 70k Per year) Ivys ask for a full financial disclosure from the parents and a future funding commitment. The school then determines what you can afford. At 200k your net bring home after taxes is about $122k. If you fund your 401k that brings you to about $102k. Now you have your mortgage, car payment, other child's expense, food and squeezing 60k to 70k a year out may be hard. This limits the student body to the super wealthy, whose parents do no care for cost, and the poor who get a free ride. Middle class or upper middle class are pushed out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the matriculation list for past 5 years that is in the school profile, not 1 Ivy matriculation. Stop Living in past!!!!!!!!!!!Everyone knows that St Paul's is a place for spoiled rich pretty boys that can't get into Gilman.

Or they just want to play lacrosse on a competitive level. What happened to Gilman? All recruiting $ went to football I guess.

My son was on his team at U13 Crabs. A one-year holdback, not two- year! 04/2001 - just turned 15! He was the only true 6th grader on that U13 team and was a major contributor playing with mostly 7th graders. I was surprised he reclassed in 8th grade given that he already was physically bigger than his peers with the skills and athleticism to match.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yawn. This surprises no one. Little boy Ty Ty Xanders says he looks the part - he's right - because he is almost 16. Parents probably spent more on private school tuition than he is gonna get from UNC. Enjoy the paper classes.

his birthday is public on UA website April 2001. He's older but don't exaggerate.

Everybody laughed at that date too- no verification in UA as it is grade based. He is older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was on his team at U13 Crabs. A one-year holdback, not two- year! 04/2001 - just turned 15! He was the only true 6th grader on that U13 team and was a major contributor playing with mostly 7th graders. I was surprised he reclassed in 8th grade given that he already was physically bigger than his peers with the skills and athleticism to match.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yawn. This surprises no one. Little boy Ty Ty Xanders says he looks the part - he's right - because he is almost 16. Parents probably spent more on private school tuition than he is gonna get from UNC. Enjoy the paper classes.

his birthday is public on UA website April 2001. He's older but don't exaggerate.

Everybody laughed at that date too- no verification in UA as it is grade based. He is older.

The kid that just committed to UNC did not reclass in 8th grade. He reclassed in lower school.

No longer with the Crabs! Parent of a on age public school kid that despises the holdback / reclass scene as much as you do. I was simply stating that the kid is not a double holdback as perceived and was a very good player as a true 6th grader playing on a mostly 7th grade team at U13 - three years ago! Not defending the move at all. Questioning it actually given that he was a big, advanced kid to begin with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny I see Cornell on the BL matriculation list for 2016. Which I believe is an Ivy. on St Paul's website they publish college matriculations from 2011-2015 and not one student matriculated to an Ivy. If you actually tae a look at the matriculation list BL has a higher % of students attending selective college's.

Carter Flaig, Princeton 2015....idiot

Patrick Karey, Cornell 2016

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The St Paul's Matriculation list is over the past 7 years because if they showed you on a year by year basis, like BL does, it would just look ok. Both are fine academic institutions and get top students into excellent colleges. Are they Gilman? Definitely not. To suggest that St Paul's is a better institution today than BL is silly.

Gilman sold out to Poggi and football..then when a bunch of alum and daddies started complaining because little Tommy couldn't play football anymore and the lacrosse team stunk, they kicked and screamed and got the FB coach booted...undoubtedly a good academic school but what a pompous bunch of a-holes. Come back to this thread in 3 years when your school has a winning record in lax again but by then your FB team will be a laughing stock

The school profile has matriculations from 2011-2015. I will admit I missed the kid that went to Princeton. Still think Bl's list is similar to a bit more competitive.

Gilman football will stink this year. Over 10 studs transferred out. No money..no good in MI AA. They had 6 really good 8th grade lax players interested in Gilman and none are going. They have great squash team though. In 4 years Gilman alum will raise [lacrosse] that they can't compete at anything anymore and they'll move to fire headmaster.

If the ongoing argument is about academics and matriculation, Gilman stands alone.

If the argument is about athletics, then yes, the football team was a case of the tail wagging the dog and the issue has been addressed. The lacrosse team just suffered its worst year in a long time and will only get better. The rising 9th and 10th grades are very strong and by the time those players are in 11th and 12th grade, the program will be relevant. McDonough is in the process - with players moving here from Florida, Oregon, etc. - of setting itself apart. The MIAA should be there's to lose going forward. If you are a local boy, and want playing time and the best education in the MIAA, Gilman is the only school to consider.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the ongoing argument is about academics and matriculation, Gilman stands alone.

If the argument is about athletics, then yes, the football team was a case of the tail wagging the dog and the issue has been addressed. The lacrosse team just suffered its worst year in a long time and will only get better. The rising 9th and 10th grades are very strong and by the time those players are in 11th and 12th grade, the program will be relevant. McDonough is in the process - with players moving here from Florida, Oregon, etc. - of setting itself apart. The MIAA should be there's to lose going forward. If you are a local boy, and want playing time and the best education in the MIAA, Gilman is the only school to consider.

if you are from Howard or Harford counties the best education is at the public schools!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the ongoing argument is about academics and matriculation, Gilman stands alone.

If the argument is about athletics, then yes, the football team was a case of the tail wagging the dog and the issue has been addressed. The lacrosse team just suffered its worst year in a long time and will only get better. The rising 9th and 10th grades are very strong and by the time those players are in 11th and 12th grade, the program will be relevant. McDonough is in the process - with players moving here from Florida, Oregon, etc. - of setting itself apart. The MIAA should be there's to lose going forward. If you are a local boy, and want playing time and the best education in the MIAA, Gilman is the only school to consider.

if you are from Howard or Harford counties the best education is at the public schools!

Very true. The trick is to remember that the education is what matters - not who has the best lacrosse team. When private school proponents compare test scores they are doing so with all students averages in which is comparing apples and oranges. Public also mimics real life more than any private school environment which can be difficult but it is not a sheltered environment. There are benefits to both which makes it a choice for your child but education is not part of that discussion when dealing with those two counties.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the ongoing argument is about academics and matriculation, Gilman stands alone.

If the argument is about athletics, then yes, the football team was a case of the tail wagging the dog and the issue has been addressed. The lacrosse team just suffered its worst year in a long time and will only get better. The rising 9th and 10th grades are very strong and by the time those players are in 11th and 12th grade, the program will be relevant. McDonough is in the process - with players moving here from Florida, Oregon, etc. - of setting itself apart. The MIAA should be there's to lose going forward. If you are a local boy, and want playing time and the best education in the MIAA, Gilman is the only school to consider.

if you are from Howard or Harford counties the best education is at the public schools!

Granted the public schools in the counties are better than most on whole, but there are some areas of the counties where you are definitely far better off sending your kid to Glenelg Country or John Carroll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny I see Cornell on the BL matriculation list for 2016. Which I believe is an Ivy. on St Paul's website they publish college matriculations from 2011-2015 and not one student matriculated to an Ivy. If you actually tae a look at the matriculation list BL has a higher % of students attending selective college's.

Carter Flaig, Princeton 2015....idiot

Patrick Karey, Cornell 2016

You can't look at kids that use athletics or the minority card to get into the Ivies. You have to look at how many white boys they get in to these schools based solely on academics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny I see Cornell on the BL matriculation list for 2016. Which I believe is an Ivy. on St Paul's website they publish college matriculations from 2011-2015 and not one student matriculated to an Ivy. If you actually tae a look at the matriculation list BL has a higher % of students attending selective college's.

Don't bring facts to this discussion. I will not argue that in the past, BL was behind some of the others. There has been a marked change at the school over the last 5 years and that is longer the case.

Looking at the BL matriculations and stripping out the lacrosse knowns, which are published by Boy Band Ty and others, you will see that some lacrosse players have matriculated to Cornell, some other Ivies & some other selective schools. The overbroad point is accurate. Taken as a whole the BL matriculation is abysmal. Stripping out the lacrosse specific placements it is something beyond abysmal. This is a school that literally can't place a non-lacrosse kid to Hopkins across town or any other college of that standard.

In fairness to BL this fact set travels to some other MIAA schools (with some exception like Friends) and to IAC lax factory schools down the road in the DC area. Have a look at the ex-lacrosse matriculation lists for Landon, Bullis, and GPrep. Landon and Bullis are pre-third tier State U and GPrep is a passport to third tier Jesuit colleges sprayed all over the Northeast to Midwest. GPrep and Bullis haven't placed a non-lacrosse kid to an Ivy in years. If a Catholic kid wants to get into Georgetown or Notre Dame he's better off at a public school in Montgomery County than at GPrep if he is a non-lacrosse kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny I see Cornell on the BL matriculation list for 2016. Which I believe is an Ivy. on St Paul's website they publish college matriculations from 2011-2015 and not one student matriculated to an Ivy. If you actually tae a look at the matriculation list BL has a higher % of students attending selective college's.

Don't bring facts to this discussion. I will not argue that in the past, BL was behind some of the others. There has been a marked change at the school over the last 5 years and that is longer the case.

Looking at the BL matriculations and stripping out the lacrosse knowns, which are published by Boy Band Ty and others, you will see that some lacrosse players have matriculated to Cornell, some other Ivies & some other selective schools. The overbroad point is accurate. Taken as a whole the BL matriculation is abysmal. Stripping out the lacrosse specific placements it is something beyond abysmal. This is a school that literally can't place a non-lacrosse kid to Hopkins across town or any other college of that standard.

In fairness to BL this fact set travels to some other MIAA schools (with some exception like Friends) and to IAC lax factory schools down the road in the DC area. Have a look at the ex-lacrosse matriculation lists for Landon, Bullis, and GPrep. Landon and Bullis are pre-third tier State U and GPrep is a passport to third tier Jesuit colleges sprayed all over the Northeast to Midwest. GPrep and Bullis haven't placed a non-lacrosse kid to an Ivy in years. If a Catholic kid wants to get into Georgetown or Notre Dame he's better off at a public school in Montgomery County than at GPrep if he is a non-lacrosse kid.

Don't lump all of the MIAA schools with BL. There are plenty of kids from Gilman, Loyola and others that go to top schools, Ivies, etc without sports at all. Keep kidding yourselves that the public schools are giving a better education.

They flew in a kid from Texas to play on the 2020 crab feast tourn yes they encourage kids to fail a grade for athletic advantage over peers

thought this was interesting. Had to fill-in online waiver for young guns and had to acknowledge below -

As parent/guardian, of this player, I am attesting that my son is registered in the correct division for this tournament. Realizing players may play up, but never down, I understand that my team will forfeit all games and be barred from championship round should there be an eligibility violation. The Tournament Director has not, and will not, make exceptions for players or programs attending Crab Feast and Young Guns.

2020 - If your son was in the 9th grade this spring 2016 and is repeating/reclassifying for 9th grade fall 2016, he is NOT eligible to play 2020 division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thought this was interesting. Had to fill-in online waiver for young guns and had to acknowledge below -

As parent/guardian, of this player, I am attesting that my son is registered in the correct division for this tournament. Realizing players may play up, but never down, I understand that my team will forfeit all games and be barred from championship round should there be an eligibility violation. The Tournament Director has not, and will not, make exceptions for players or programs attending Crab Feast and Young Guns.

2020 - If your son was in the 9th grade this spring 2016 and is repeating/reclassifying for 9th grade fall 2016, he is NOT eligible to play 2020 division.

Notice Crab daddy did not say anything about 8th graders this spring repeating 8th in the fall 2016 would not be eligible for 2020. If he did, half of his team would be ineligible.

2023 CRABS only have 2 pool games this weekend????
11 teams in bracket!
some team would play a 4th game in sure (that wouldn't count in the standings)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thought this was interesting. Had to fill-in online waiver for young guns and had to acknowledge below -

As parent/guardian, of this player, I am attesting that my son is registered in the correct division for this tournament. Realizing players may play up, but never down, I understand that my team will forfeit all games and be barred from championship round should there be an eligibility violation. The Tournament Director has not, and will not, make exceptions for players or programs attending Crab Feast and Young Guns.

2020 - If your son was in the 9th grade this spring 2016 and is repeating/reclassifying for 9th grade fall 2016, he is NOT eligible to play 2020 division.

Notice Crab daddy did not say anything about 8th graders this spring repeating 8th in the fall 2016 would not be eligible for 2020. If he did, half of his team would be ineligible.

They would also be 2021's.... Wouldn't effect the 2020 team at all

I heard crabs is gonna start a girls team. Crab daddy is gonna transform his boys into girls and take over the girls game...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard crabs is gonna start a girls team. Crab daddy is gonna transform his boys into girls and take over the girls game...

Will this be a transgender team? Could be the he the next trend! Kaitlin can coach! Whatever it takes to grow the game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thought this was interesting. Had to fill-in online waiver for young guns and had to acknowledge below -

As parent/guardian, of this player, I am attesting that my son is registered in the correct division for this tournament. Realizing players may play up, but never down, I understand that my team will forfeit all games and be barred from championship round should there be an eligibility violation. The Tournament Director has not, and will not, make exceptions for players or programs attending Crab Feast and Young Guns.

2020 - If your son was in the 9th grade this spring 2016 and is repeating/reclassifying for 9th grade fall 2016, he is NOT eligible to play 2020 division.

Notice Crab daddy did not say anything about 8th graders this spring repeating 8th in the fall 2016 would not be eligible for 2020. If he did, half of his team would be ineligible.

The grade to holdback is 8th grade. At several schools including Maryland publics and in private leagues like MIAA a kid can only participate in high school sports 4 years. That's why the bursar's office at MIAA and IAC schools are so happy to see full paying lacrosee families walk through their doors.

Writing a rule to say kids aren't eligible for a 2020 team if they were in 9th grade last year is moot. It's the ultimate Trojan Horse that Baltimore parents use as a crutch around it. Just because kids are sneaking in the back door doesn't mean people don't notice. How about an AGE cutoff? If a kid is a year old for his grade he has to play up. Where are all the tough guys when that is suggested? Hiding in their team tents at Boys' Latin it seems. Phony tough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thought this was interesting. Had to fill-in online waiver for young guns and had to acknowledge below -

As parent/guardian, of this player, I am attesting that my son is registered in the correct division for this tournament. Realizing players may play up, but never down, I understand that my team will forfeit all games and be barred from championship round should there be an eligibility violation. The Tournament Director has not, and will not, make exceptions for players or programs attending Crab Feast and Young Guns.

2020 - If your son was in the 9th grade this spring 2016 and is repeating/reclassifying for 9th grade fall 2016, he is NOT eligible to play 2020 division.

Notice Crab daddy did not say anything about 8th graders this spring repeating 8th in the fall 2016 would not be eligible for 2020. If he did, half of his team would be ineligible.

The grade to holdback is 8th grade. At several schools including Maryland publics and in private leagues like MIAA a kid can only participate in high school sports 4 years. That's why the bursar's office at MIAA and IAC schools are so happy to see full paying lacrosee families walk through their doors.

Writing a rule to say kids aren't eligible for a 2020 team if they were in 9th grade last year is moot. It's the ultimate Trojan Horse that Baltimore parents use as a crutch around it. Just because kids are sneaking in the back door doesn't mean people don't notice. How about an AGE cutoff? If a kid is a year old for his grade he has to play up. Where are all the tough guys when that is suggested? Hiding in their team tents at Boys' Latin it seems. Phony tough.

Age Cutoff?? Not in Maryland with the MIAA influence! Before the lowlifes at Howard County Recreation started their grade base league, the holdback/reclass/prefirst issue was mainly an issue and secret in the Private school leagues. No one cared in the youth club and rec leagues. All the private MIAA schools did it to some degree so no big deal as MIAA school team competed against school team. Now with the youth club world exploding and Crabs, etc looking for a edge. I see the holdback/reclass/prefirst issue getting more players as many parents want the edge for their children. Not sure why Lacrosse
wants to go down this unsavory path as it sure is not in the spirit of youth sports.

Rumor has it the crabs double holdback midfielder unc commit is moving from crabs to FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it the crabs double holdback midfielder unc commit is moving from crabs to FCA

No surprise since he is going to Calvert Hall this fall and the lax coach at CH is also the 2020 coach of FCA. I'm sure this was strongly suggested by the FCA/CH coach. I'm sure Crab daddy isn't happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it the crabs double holdback midfielder unc commit is moving from crabs to FCA

No surprise since he is going to Calvert Hall this fall and the lax coach at CH is also the 2020 coach of FCA. I'm sure this was strongly suggested by the FCA/CH coach. I'm sure Crab daddy isn't happy.

Why would RM care? I thought according to you guys he is only good because he's older anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thought this was interesting. Had to fill-in online waiver for young guns and had to acknowledge below -

As parent/guardian, of this player, I am attesting that my son is registered in the correct division for this tournament. Realizing players may play up, but never down, I understand that my team will forfeit all games and be barred from championship round should there be an eligibility violation. The Tournament Director has not, and will not, make exceptions for players or programs attending Crab Feast and Young Guns.

2020 - If your son was in the 9th grade this spring 2016 and is repeating/reclassifying for 9th grade fall 2016, he is NOT eligible to play 2020 division.

Notice Crab daddy did not say anything about 8th graders this spring repeating 8th in the fall 2016 would not be eligible for 2020. If he did, half of his team would be ineligible.

The grade to holdback is 8th grade. At several schools including Maryland publics and in private leagues like MIAA a kid can only participate in high school sports 4 years. That's why the bursar's office at MIAA and IAC schools are so happy to see full paying lacrosee families walk through their doors.

Writing a rule to say kids aren't eligible for a 2020 team if they were in 9th grade last year is moot. It's the ultimate Trojan Horse that Baltimore parents use as a crutch around it. Just because kids are sneaking in the back door doesn't mean people don't notice. How about an AGE cutoff? If a kid is a year old for his grade he has to play up. Where are all the tough guys when that is suggested? Hiding in their team tents at Boys' Latin it seems. Phony tough.

As opposed to real toughs like you posting anonymously on a message board. Funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

thought this was interesting. Had to fill-in online waiver for young guns and had to acknowledge below -

As parent/guardian, of this player, I am attesting that my son is registered in the correct division for this tournament. Realizing players may play up, but never down, I understand that my team will forfeit all games and be barred from championship round should there be an eligibility violation. The Tournament Director has not, and will not, make exceptions for players or programs attending Crab Feast and Young Guns.

2020 - If your son was in the 9th grade this spring 2016 and is repeating/reclassifying for 9th grade fall 2016, he is NOT eligible to play 2020 division.

Notice Crab daddy did not say anything about 8th graders this spring repeating 8th in the fall 2016 would not be eligible for 2020. If he did, half of his team would be ineligible.

The grade to holdback is 8th grade. At several schools including Maryland publics and in private leagues like MIAA a kid can only participate in high school sports 4 years. That's why the bursar's office at MIAA and IAC schools are so happy to see full paying lacrosee families walk through their doors.

Writing a rule to say kids aren't eligible for a 2020 team if they were in 9th grade last year is moot. It's the ultimate Trojan Horse that Baltimore parents use as a crutch around it. Just because kids are sneaking in the back door doesn't mean people don't notice. How about an AGE cutoff? If a kid is a year old for his grade he has to play up. Where are all the tough guys when that is suggested? Hiding in their team tents at Boys' Latin it seems. Phony tough.

As opposed to real toughs like you posting anonymously on a message board. Funny

Says Mr. Anonymous himself. You all are cowards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it the crabs double holdback midfielder unc commit is moving from crabs to FCA

No surprise since he is going to Calvert Hall this fall and the lax coach at CH is also the 2020 coach of FCA. I'm sure this was strongly suggested by the FCA/CH coach. I'm sure Crab daddy isn't happy.

Why would RM care? I thought according to you guys he is only good because he's older anyway.

That's probably true that he doesn't care. He benched him in the championship game against Looney's.

Fat crab doesn't care about the 2020 team now - he is on to the 2021. Holdback scheme no worky once the kids are in high school. Big crab middie = yawn. Bigger and older. Should be rolling through on age kids - he isn't.

FCA/CH/UNC/Kellys - enough said. Now that kids loudmouth father with be FCA's problem...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Rumor has it the crabs double holdback midfielder unc commit is moving from crabs to FCA

No surprise since he is going to Calvert Hall this fall and the lax coach at CH is also the 2020 coach of FCA. I'm sure this was strongly suggested by the FCA/CH coach. I'm sure Crab daddy isn't happy.

Why would RM care? I thought according to you guys he is only good because he's older anyway.

That's probably true that he doesn't care. He benched him in the championship game against Looney's.

Pretty sure they have both move on....

[quote=Anonymous]FCA/CH/UNC/Kellys - enough said. Now that kids loudmouth father with be FCA's problem...

And you'll still be an internet tough guy. Let me guess, your kid is being "overlooked" because of "politics". Hilarious. Go jump back in the it ain't fair crowd.....or tell your kid to get on the wall. Happy 4th.

Actually no. My kid plays for an Ivy. Sorry pal. My other son hopefully will too.

Crabs blow.
Move on.

Hope crab daddy watching World Series of youth lacrosse. On age kids making it happen.

Actually that's not true. Legacy has quite a few 8th graders playing the rules and playing in a 7th grade tourney.

Benched against Loonies because kid quits mentally when down. Let's see how he adjusts to being on a losing football team at CH that gets owned by nearly every MIAA A team and a consistently underperforming CH lacrosse team that fails every year to live up to their hype. Hold backs won't be there to help any more. Will he quit there too. All this early committing hype is a joke. Colleges put a ton of verbal offers out there. Only offer that matters is the one on Feb 3rd during your senior year on signing day. Kids offers get pulled all the time for many reasons. 8th graders are just 8th graders and no one cares about any of this. HS performance in the classroom and on the fields is what matters.

Let's all celebrate that our 8th graders got verbal commit for a partial scholarship to a school that cost 48k a year. After your lax scholarship you'll pay 25k a year if your one of the lucky ones. Have fun paying 100-125k to watch your son sit the bench most of his career. Good times. Gotta luv the stupidity of laxbros.

Your smoking the good stuff if you don't know there is a ton of politics with CH lacrosse. You can come back on the forum in 3 years and complain about it yourself. #clueless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Benched against Loonies because kid quits mentally when down. Let's see how he adjusts to being on a losing football team at CH that gets owned by nearly every MIAA A team and a consistently underperforming CH lacrosse team that fails every year to live up to their hype. Hold backs won't be there to help any more. Will he quit there too. All this early committing hype is a joke. Colleges put a ton of verbal offers out there. Only offer that matters is the one on Feb 3rd during your senior year on signing day. Kids offers get pulled all the time for many reasons. 8th graders are just 8th graders and no one cares about any of this. HS performance in the classroom and on the fields is what matters.

He will have a difficult time. Looney's players, who are smaller than this kid, shut him down in two games, the HOCO championship and CrabFeast. What does this show, that he is just at best an average lax player. He is bigger and stronger than most of his opponents but that is really all he has going for him, his size.
When he gets to HS and starts to play against really smart players with a high lax IQ he may be lost.

High lacrosse IQ and just as big. High school gonna be a wake up call for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Benched against Loonies because kid quits mentally when down. Let's see how he adjusts to being on a losing football team at CH that gets owned by nearly every MIAA A team and a consistently underperforming CH lacrosse team that fails every year to live up to their hype. Hold backs won't be there to help any more. Will he quit there too. All this early committing hype is a joke. Colleges put a ton of verbal offers out there. Only offer that matters is the one on Feb 3rd during your senior year on signing day. Kids offers get pulled all the time for many reasons. 8th graders are just 8th graders and no one cares about any of this. HS performance in the classroom and on the fields is what matters.

He will have a difficult time. Looney's players, who are smaller than this kid, shut him down in two games, the HOCO championship and CrabFeast. What does this show, that he is just at best an average lax player. He is bigger and stronger than most of his opponents but that is really all he has going for him, his size.
When he gets to HS and starts to play against really smart players with a high lax IQ he may be lost.

I hope you feel good about critiquing a kid on an anonymous forum. Where do you work and what do you do? Lets do some critiquing of you while we are at it....It's just not cool to do at all

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Benched against Loonies because kid quits mentally when down. Let's see how he adjusts to being on a losing football team at CH that gets owned by nearly every MIAA A team and a consistently underperforming CH lacrosse team that fails every year to live up to their hype. Hold backs won't be there to help any more. Will he quit there too. All this early committing hype is a joke. Colleges put a ton of verbal offers out there. Only offer that matters is the one on Feb 3rd during your senior year on signing day. Kids offers get pulled all the time for many reasons. 8th graders are just 8th graders and no one cares about any of this. HS performance in the classroom and on the fields is what matters.

He will have a difficult time. Looney's players, who are smaller than this kid, shut him down in two games, the HOCO championship and CrabFeast. What does this show, that he is just at best an average lax player. He is bigger and stronger than most of his opponents but that is really all he has going for him, his size.
When he gets to HS and starts to play against really smart players with a high lax IQ he may be lost.

I hope you feel good about critiquing a kid on an anonymous forum. Where do you work and what do you do? Lets do some critiquing of you while we are at it....It's just not cool to do at all

No one is critiquing him, people are just stating what they have seen. I don't see anything negative that was said about him, just stating what he has shown. I personally hope he does well going forward.

His father is a loudmouth - the big guy - run through that - turn and rip. All the critiques are valid - big - mediocre player that has trouble beating younger kids. Yawn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

His father is a loudmouth - the big guy - run through that - turn and rip. All the critiques are valid - big - mediocre player that has trouble beating younger kids. Yawn.

Don't know the kid or father. I do know that you are anonymously posting negative stuff about a kid. You are chicken sh$t

Kid is holdback and tries to level kids that are younger and 50lbs lighter. Deserves critique and key word is tries.

leave the kid alone, but please by all means, tear into his father who is a bag of d!cks. he is on par with the coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

His father is a loudmouth - the big guy - run through that - turn and rip. All the critiques are valid - big - mediocre player that has trouble beating younger kids. Yawn.

Don't know the kid or father. I do know that you are anonymously posting negative stuff about a kid. You are chicken sh$t

I didn't post what you are referring to but again, no one is saying anything negative, just stating what they see, how he plays/performs. I do not see anything wrong with that, no one is name calling/belittling him or being an [lacrosse] about it. But I do know one thing that is true, his father is a real piece of work, yep, a load mouth and post really stupid crap on Facebook. Crabs will no longer have to deal with him, FCA will. Even though he has committed to UNC there is no guarantee that he will get any solid worthwhile offer come signing time. UNC coach has time to revisit his decision and who knows what can happen. If I were the UNC coach I would have backed away, just because of his father. Lot of coaches don't want to put up with parents like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

His father is a loudmouth - the big guy - run through that - turn and rip. All the critiques are valid - big - mediocre player that has trouble beating younger kids. Yawn.

Don't know the kid or father. I do know that you are anonymously posting negative stuff about a kid. You are chicken sh$t

I didn't post what you are referring to but again, no one is saying anything negative, just stating what they see, how he plays/performs. I do not see anything wrong with that, no one is name calling/belittling him or being an [lacrosse] about it. But I do know one thing that is true, his father is a real piece of work, yep, a load mouth and post really stupid crap on Facebook. Crabs will no longer have to deal with him, FCA will. Even though he has committed to UNC there is no guarantee that he will get any solid worthwhile offer come signing time. UNC coach has time to revisit his decision and who knows what can happen. If I were the UNC coach I would have backed away, just because of his father. Lot of coaches don't want to put up with parents like that.

If the player does leave crabs and plays for FCA he will get coached for the first time in a long time. I would bet on the player who has athletic ability and gets coached instead of what I have seen with the crabs. Not sure what to call it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

His father is a loudmouth - the big guy - run through that - turn and rip. All the critiques are valid - big - mediocre player that has trouble beating younger kids. Yawn.

Don't know the kid or father. I do know that you are anonymously posting negative stuff about a kid. You are chicken sh$t

Developing a players lacrosse IQ. The more they raise this, the better player they become. What to do with the ball and off ball, where to be on the field etc. You are probably right, Crabs doesn't really develop players, they try and load their teams with holdbacks that are older and bigger. Well, that plan didn't work this year for them but Ryan will still follow his business model even though it is flawed.
I didn't post what you are referring to but again, no one is saying anything negative, just stating what they see, how he plays/performs. I do not see anything wrong with that, no one is name calling/belittling him or being an [lacrosse] about it. But I do know one thing that is true, his father is a real piece of work, yep, a load mouth and post really stupid crap on Facebook. Crabs will no longer have to deal with him, FCA will. Even though he has committed to UNC there is no guarantee that he will get any solid worthwhile offer come signing time. UNC coach has time to revisit his decision and who knows what can happen. If I were the UNC coach I would have backed away, just because of his father. Lot of coaches don't want to put up with parents like that.

If the player does leave crabs and plays for FCA he will get coached for the first time in a long time. I would bet on the player who has athletic ability and gets coached instead of what I have seen with the crabs. Not sure what to call it.

Developing a players lacrosse IQ. The more they raise this, the better player they become. What to do with the ball and off ball, where to be on the field etc. You are probably right, Crabs doesn't really develop players, they try and load their teams with holdbacks that are older and bigger. Well, that plan didn't work this year for them but Ryan will still follow his business model even though it is flawed

To the poster who complained about someone being chicken**** for posting anonymously - the whole board is anonymous - get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the poster who complained about someone being chicken**** for posting anonymously - the whole board is anonymous - get over it.

chicken**** not because of anonymous but because of the negative posts about a specific kid.

Nice article in SI that talks about lackluster results of early recruiting. NCAA will eventually establish rules about it and attach penalties but colleges will continue to do it because it's a no lose for them. Most of these early recruits don't pan out based on the numbers. Main take away is that it puts an incredible amount of pressure on 14 year old kids. Imagine hearing this from your freshmen year in high school until Senior year. " Remember, your scholarship depends on your performance and u have to show up every game. " It will weigh most of these early recruits down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice article in SI that talks about lackluster results of early recruiting. NCAA will eventually establish rules about it and attach penalties but colleges will continue to do it because it's a no lose for them. Most of these early recruits don't pan out based on the numbers. Main take away is that it puts an incredible amount of pressure on 14 year old kids. Imagine hearing this from your freshmen year in high school until Senior year. " Remember, your scholarship depends on your performance and u have to show up every game. " It will weigh most of these early recruits down.

Well the college guys see this as a good thing if they could not handle it they would of never been able to handle big time college sports. So to the college guys they see it as a weeding out process.

If a kid and his father are going to hem and haw about running over younger kids they get what they deserve.

It's not a good thing because many of these kids develop at ages 17-20 years of age. Don't want pressure to beat them down early. They looked at this in NCAA Championship game for football. Looked at starting 44 players. 1 player was a rivals 5 Star recruit. Stay hungry,stay humble, and keep working hard. Top players now aren't star players in college in many cases.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

His father is a loudmouth - the big guy - run through that - turn and rip. All the critiques are valid - big - mediocre player that has trouble beating younger kids. Yawn.

Don't know the kid or father. I do know that you are anonymously posting negative stuff about a kid. You are chicken sh$t

I didn't post what you are referring to but again, no one is saying anything negative, just stating what they see, how he plays/performs. I do not see anything wrong with that, no one is name calling/belittling him or being an [lacrosse] about it. But I do know one thing that is true, his father is a real piece of work, yep, a load mouth and post really stupid crap on Facebook. Crabs will no longer have to deal with him, FCA will. Even though he has committed to UNC there is no guarantee that he will get any solid worthwhile offer come signing time. UNC coach has time to revisit his decision and who knows what can happen. If I were the UNC coach I would have backed away, just because of his father. Lot of coaches don't want to put up with parents like that.

If the player does leave crabs and plays for FCA he will get coached for the first time in a long time. I would bet on the player who has athletic ability and gets coached instead of what I have seen with the crabs. Not sure what to call it.

Of course he is leaving Crabs for FCA, he is going to Calvert Hall after all....when are people going to learn that the FCA program hides behind the religious BS but is really a recruiting effort for Calvert Hall that only serves to fuel the over inflated egos of the family that started FCA and coaches Calvert Hall. The huddles are garbage, the religion is a front and the head coach will promise anything to help win a championship for his sons and nephews. The above referenced kid is a good player, I don't know the father, but ultimately, the child is a pawn for the Calvert Hall coach. They might as well change FCA to Cardinals Lacrosse Club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

His father is a loudmouth - the big guy - run through that - turn and rip. All the critiques are valid - big - mediocre player that has trouble beating younger kids. Yawn.

Don't know the kid or father. I do know that you are anonymously posting negative stuff about a kid. You are chicken sh$t

I didn't post what you are referring to but again, no one is saying anything negative, just stating what they see, how he plays/performs. I do not see anything wrong with that, no one is name calling/belittling him or being an [lacrosse] about it. But I do know one thing that is true, his father is a real piece of work, yep, a load mouth and post really stupid crap on Facebook. Crabs will no longer have to deal with him, FCA will. Even though he has committed to UNC there is no guarantee that he will get any solid worthwhile offer come signing time. UNC coach has time to revisit his decision and who knows what can happen. If I were the UNC coach I would have backed away, just because of his father. Lot of coaches don't want to put up with parents like that.

If the player does leave crabs and plays for FCA he will get coached for the first time in a long time. I would bet on the player who has athletic ability and gets coached instead of what I have seen with the crabs. Not sure what to call it.

Of course he is leaving Crabs for FCA, he is going to Calvert Hall after all....when are people going to learn that the FCA program hides behind the religious BS but is really a recruiting effort for Calvert Hall that only serves to fuel the over inflated egos of the family that started FCA and coaches Calvert Hall. The huddles are garbage, the religion is a front and the head coach will promise anything to help win a championship for his sons and nephews. The above referenced kid is a good player, I don't know the father, but ultimately, the child is a pawn for the Calvert Hall coach. They might as well change FCA to Cardinals Lacrosse Club

Wow..That is a strong statement!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a good thing because many of these kids develop at ages 17-20 years of age. Don't want pressure to beat them down early. They looked at this in NCAA Championship game for football. Looked at starting 44 players. 1 player was a rivals 5 Star recruit. Stay hungry,stay humble, and keep working hard. Top players now aren't star players in college in many cases.

Can someone fact check this please?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a good thing because many of these kids develop at ages 17-20 years of age. Don't want pressure to beat them down early. They looked at this in NCAA Championship game for football. Looked at starting 44 players. 1 player was a rivals 5 Star recruit. Stay hungry,stay humble, and keep working hard. Top players now aren't star players in college in many cases.

Team 4/5-stars 2/3-stars
Alabama starters 16 8
Clemson starters 12 12
Alabama 2-deep 36 12
Clemson 2-deep 23 25

How many were 5 STARS?

Only 47% of Clemson team are ranked (blue chip) recruits. More facts that support late bloomers. Now in lacrosse, UNC was loaded with UA All Americans. they were not great team throughout season but pulled it all together for NCAAs. But looking at Brown and Navy they were stacked with " unknown "kids. Simply put...who cares about 8th grade Club lacrosse. Most of these kids aren't playing at next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 47% of Clemson team are ranked (blue chip) recruits. More facts that support late bloomers. Now in lacrosse, UNC was loaded with UA All Americans. they were not great team throughout season but pulled it all together for NCAAs. But looking at Brown and Navy they were stacked with " unknown "kids. Simply put...who cares about 8th grade Club lacrosse. Most of these kids aren't playing at next level.

But what this does say that in a sport like football where they overall do not recruit early they still do not hit on all the Kids. Recruiting is not a fool proof science. Its like picking stocks. You have to hedge your bets by adding up all the current details and hope it works out. But what I think lacrosse does that hurts them the most is they over value kids from the top private high schools. Kids playing at these schools do correctly have a higher lacrosse IQ. Which in turn makes them look better then what there body can really do. If lacrosse coaches switch to a more football mind set and recruit to a body type and look at the parents for a possible growth pattern they would be better off.

Agreed...lots of non athletes playing high level lacrosse because they possess stick skills and IQ.

So how did the Crabs get shut out of the NapTown lacrosse challenge? What other clubs should of been invite beside the Crabs? Did you see the finals for all three Div. will be on CSN HD TV. What did the Crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad to not let them in his big fancy TV tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the Crabs get shut out of the NapTown lacrosse challenge? What other clubs should of been invite beside the Crabs? Did you see the finals for all three Div. will be on CSN HD TV. What did the Crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad to not let them in his big fancy TV tournament?

Sorry this is not a Hawks tournament they are not even in it. I just assumed because it was in Annapolis Maryland the Hawks where part of it. LOL. So what club is behind this tournament. I see a Sweetlax team in each Div?

For one thing...PRICE WAS SILLY!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the Crabs get shut out of the NapTown lacrosse challenge? What other clubs should of been invite beside the Crabs? Did you see the finals for all three Div. will be on CSN HD TV. What did the Crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad to not let them in his big fancy TV tournament?

I can't imagine any reason they would voluntarily not do this tournament. Perhaps there were some age cutoffs they could not meet? I've got my DVR set.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the Crabs get shut out of the NapTown lacrosse challenge? What other clubs should of been invite beside the Crabs? Did you see the finals for all three Div. will be on CSN HD TV. What did the Crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad to not let them in his big fancy TV tournament?

Sorry this is not a Hawks tournament they are not even in it. I just assumed because it was in Annapolis Maryland the Hawks where part of it. LOL. So what club is behind this tournament. I see a Sweetlax team in each Div?

Hawks are in it per schedule. Matt Hogan and Dave Cottle are behind it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the Crabs get shut out of the NapTown lacrosse challenge? What other clubs should of been invite beside the Crabs? Did you see the finals for all three Div. will be on CSN HD TV. What did the Crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad to not let them in his big fancy TV tournament?

Sorry this is not a Hawks tournament they are not even in it. I just assumed because it was in Annapolis Maryland the Hawks where part of it. LOL. So what club is behind this tournament. I see a Sweetlax team in each Div?

Ok sorry again I just checked more closely the Hawks are playing in all 3 divs. So back to the original question? What did the crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad?

Hawks are in it per schedule. Matt Hogan and Dave Cottle are behind it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the Crabs get shut out of the NapTown lacrosse challenge? What other clubs should of been invite beside the Crabs? Did you see the finals for all three Div. will be on CSN HD TV. What did the Crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad to not let them in his big fancy TV tournament?

Sorry this is not a Hawks tournament they are not even in it. I just assumed because it was in Annapolis Maryland the Hawks where part of it. LOL. So what club is behind this tournament. I see a Sweetlax team in each Div?

Ok sorry again I just checked more closely the Hawks are playing in all 3 divs. So back to the original question? What did the crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad?

Hawks are in it per schedule. Matt Hogan and Dave Cottle are behind it

The amount of money grabs is becoming sickening....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the Crabs get shut out of the NapTown lacrosse challenge? What other clubs should of been invite beside the Crabs? Did you see the finals for all three Div. will be on CSN HD TV. What did the Crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad to not let them in his big fancy TV tournament?

Sorry this is not a Hawks tournament they are not even in it. I just assumed because it was in Annapolis Maryland the Hawks where part of it. LOL. So what club is behind this tournament. I see a Sweetlax team in each Div?

Ok sorry again I just checked more closely the Hawks are playing in all 3 divs. So back to the original question? What did the crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad?

Hawks are in it per schedule. Matt Hogan and Dave Cottle are behind it

Maybe because nobody wants to pay 10.00 to watch youth lacrosse? Taking money maker to a whole new level. The best teams are not there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the Crabs get shut out of the NapTown lacrosse challenge? What other clubs should of been invite beside the Crabs? Did you see the finals for all three Div. will be on CSN HD TV. What did the Crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad to not let them in his big fancy TV tournament?

Sorry this is not a Hawks tournament they are not even in it. I just assumed because it was in Annapolis Maryland the Hawks where part of it. LOL. So what club is behind this tournament. I see a Sweetlax team in each Div?

Ok sorry again I just checked more closely the Hawks are playing in all 3 divs. So back to the original question? What did the crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad?

Hawks are in it per schedule. Matt Hogan and Dave Cottle are behind it

Maybe because nobody wants to pay 10.00 to watch youth lacrosse? Taking money maker to a whole new level. The best teams are not there.

Someone has to pay to rent out Navy Marine Corps Stadium

No good teams? 2020 - 91 NY, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, Next Level...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No good teams? 2020 - 91 NY, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, Next Level...

There are lots of good teams in all three grades. Maybe he can tell us what better teams where left off. I already said Crabs!

LOL. There are 4 good teams at Naptown. Hawks/Next Level/FCA/Sweetlax. Team 90 plus 1 is not Crush, and LI Express A team is playing at Inside Lacrosse with Looneys, 90 plus 1 MD, NH Tomahawks, and Legacy Taz.

Crabs are a 2018/19 team - not even worth discussing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. There are 4 good teams at Naptown. Hawks/Next Level/FCA/Sweetlax. Team 90 plus 1 is not Crush, and LI Express A team is playing at Inside Lacrosse with Looneys, 90 plus 1 MD, NH Tomahawks, and Legacy Taz.

LI Express A team is in Naptown.

I think we all know some great teams where left off this tournament. But the real question was who and why? Was it owners egos, price, or what. But you would assume a tournament that is going to be on real TV, would attract the best of the best

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think we all know some great teams where left off this tournament. But the real question was who and why? Was it owners egos, price, or what. But you would assume a tournament that is going to be on real TV, would attract the best of the best

Sounds more like a failed attempt at another money grab. Maybe parents and club coaches are wising up. I have a Crabs kid and Im glad were not playing in this. Would rather have the weekend off at this point in the season.

Crabs 2020 kids having driving school during the week. They couldn't swing it.

Close to 50 teams in three grade brackets and championships on TV at USNA stadium. Yeah - sounds like a total failure.

Thank God the Crabs aren't it - I've seen enough of their loudmouth owner and parents

What 91 NY team is it? I just looked at the Inside Lacrosse schedule and Crush isn't playing there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think we all know some great teams where left off this tournament. But the real question was who and why? Was it owners egos, price, or what. But you would assume a tournament that is going to be on real TV, would attract the best of the best

Perhaps organizers want to ensure their teams make it to the televised games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how did the Crabs get shut out of the NapTown lacrosse challenge? What other clubs should of been invite beside the Crabs? Did you see the finals for all three Div. will be on CSN HD TV. What did the Crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad to not let them in his big fancy TV tournament?

Sorry this is not a Hawks tournament they are not even in it. I just assumed because it was in Annapolis Maryland the Hawks where part of it. LOL. So what club is behind this tournament. I see a Sweetlax team in each Div?

Ok sorry again I just checked more closely the Hawks are playing in all 3 divs. So back to the original question? What did the crabs do to make the Hawks owner mad?

Hawks are in it per schedule. Matt Hogan and Dave Cottle are behind it

Maybe because nobody wants to pay 10.00 to watch youth lacrosse? Taking money maker to a whole new level. The best teams are not there.

Someone has to pay to rent out Navy Marine Corps Stadium

all the best teams were invited! Including Crabs , might want to ask your club owners why they are not in the biggest event for these kids to date.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think we all know some great teams where left off this tournament. But the real question was who and why? Was it owners egos, price, or what. But you would assume a tournament that is going to be on real TV, would attract the best of the best

Sounds more like a failed attempt at another money grab. Maybe parents and club coaches are wising up. I have a Crabs kid and Im glad were not playing in this. Would rather have the weekend off at this point in the season.

Is that a joke? Ask your son and I'm sure he his pissed that his team is not playing in this great event . Best event for these age groups in Maryland this year. Instead of bashing a good event that is just starting in this area for the exposure of your boy and every other high schooler, ask your director why he failed your kid . Don't come on here talking about money grabbing either when your sons club is notorious for such acts.

I hope everyone sees all the great lacrosse teachers and community of lacrosse that is behind this event . Great exposure for these kids and their clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think we all know some great teams where left off this tournament. But the real question was who and why? Was it owners egos, price, or what. But you would assume a tournament that is going to be on real TV, would attract the best of the best

Perhaps organizers want to ensure their teams make it to the televised games?

perhaps organizers invited all and those that did not come have some explaining to their teams and parents. Or maybe they simply are at another event.

No dog in the fight but reading some of these entries verifies just how many of you people are true [lacrosse] bags. The tournament will allow 6 teams to play at Navy Marine (this is where some turd will bag on the Academy) and have the novel opportunity to play on TV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight but reading some of these entries verifies just how many of you people are true [lacrosse] bags. The tournament will allow 6 teams to play at Navy Marine (this is where some turd will bag on the Academy) and have the novel opportunity to play on TV.

I agree I never thought when I brought this tournament up anyone would talk bad about it. But of course some did. I thought people would be mad because they where told no or not ask to play in it. But this tournament and its perks are as good as high school travel tournaments can be. Thats why I wanted to talk about who is not there and how come they where not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight but reading some of these entries verifies just how many of you people are true [lacrosse] bags. The tournament will allow 6 teams to play at Navy Marine (this is where some turd will bag on the Academy) and have the novel opportunity to play on TV.

I agree I never thought when I brought this tournament up anyone would talk bad about it. But of course some did. I thought people would be mad because they where told no or not ask to play in it. But this tournament and its perks are as good as high school travel tournaments can be. Thats why I wanted to talk about who is not there and how come they where not.

$10 gate fee says it all. #itsnotaboutthekidsitsaboutourpockets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight but reading some of these entries verifies just how many of you people are true [lacrosse] bags. The tournament will allow 6 teams to play at Navy Marine (this is where some turd will bag on the Academy) and have the novel opportunity to play on TV.

I agree I never thought when I brought this tournament up anyone would talk bad about it. But of course some did. I thought people would be mad because they where told no or not ask to play in it. But this tournament and its perks are as good as high school travel tournaments can be. Thats why I wanted to talk about who is not there and how come they where not.

$10 gate fee says it all. #itsnotaboutthekidsitsaboutourpockets

There is no $10 gate fee, I have no idea what you are talking about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight but reading some of these entries verifies just how many of you people are true [lacrosse] bags. The tournament will allow 6 teams to play at Navy Marine (this is where some turd will bag on the Academy) and have the novel opportunity to play on TV.

I agree I never thought when I brought this tournament up anyone would talk bad about it. But of course some did. I thought people would be mad because they where told no or not ask to play in it. But this tournament and its perks are as good as high school travel tournaments can be. Thats why I wanted to talk about who is not there and how come they where not.

$10 gate fee says it all. #itsnotaboutthekidsitsaboutourpockets

wait. you have to pay to see a club game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight but reading some of these entries verifies just how many of you people are true [lacrosse] bags. The tournament will allow 6 teams to play at Navy Marine (this is where some turd will bag on the Academy) and have the novel opportunity to play on TV.

I agree I never thought when I brought this tournament up anyone would talk bad about it. But of course some did. I thought people would be mad because they where told no or not ask to play in it. But this tournament and its perks are as good as high school travel tournaments can be. Thats why I wanted to talk about who is not there and how come they where not.

$10 gate fee says it all. #itsnotaboutthekidsitsaboutourpockets

what a silly statement, that stadium doesn't rent it itself. the banquet for all players with seedings announced was a nice touch. having d1 coaches address the players another ice touch. the crabby patties deciding not to show, the icing on the cake

The fact that you want to say one tournament is all about making money over another one is by far the funnest thing on this site. Lets take a look at the Crabs or whatever club you play for schedule and please tell be which one of your tournaments you are playing in are not all about making a profit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that you want to say one tournament is all about making money over another one is by far the funnest thing on this site. Lets take a look at the Crabs or whatever club you play for schedule and please tell be which one of your tournaments you are playing in are not all about making a profit.

When did tournaments start turning into Charity matches for Sisters of the Poor?? Almost every tournament is about making some money?? Who ever thinks different is living on another planet. The non profit status has nothing to do with the profit made by its Directors.

All the $ made by these tournaments should go the the Hillary Clinton Legal Defense Fund

This entry fee was HEAVY...way too much!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the $ made by these tournaments should go the the Hillary Clinton Legal Defense Fund

Yes because she is 2nd person in the last 100 years who should go to jail for being lose with classified emails. Take you politics to FOX or MSNBC website jerk.

Yep. The rent is free. Oh. So is the light bill.

Queue the clown music

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the $ made by these tournaments should go the the Hillary Clinton Legal Defense Fund

Yes because she is 2nd person in the last 100 years who should go to jail for being lose with classified emails. Take you politics to FOX or MSNBC website jerk.

Typical liberal..name calling, divisive, intolerant of opposing views...Go join a protest rally while your kid rides the bench...so angry, so sad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the $ made by these tournaments should go the the Hillary Clinton Legal Defense Fund

Yes because she is 2nd person in the last 100 years who should go to jail for being lose with classified emails. Take you politics to FOX or MSNBC website jerk.

Typical liberal..name calling, divisive, intolerant of opposing views...Go join a protest rally while your kid rides the bench...so angry, so sad

This started with your Hillary joke/ name calling. Like most right wing jerks putting your politics in people's face when we are talking about lacrosse.

Navy-Marine Stadium use is not free. Hogan does not own it.

What a bunch of BOOBS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Navy-Marine Stadium use is not free. Hogan does not own it.

What a bunch of BOOBS

The TV production was first rate. Announcing, graphics, replays, were all incredible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Navy-Marine Stadium use is not free. Hogan does not own it.

What a bunch of BOOBS

The TV production was first rate. Announcing, graphics, replays, were all incredible. [/quote
I just hope the ratings where good. So it's back next year on TV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight but reading some of these entries verifies just how many of you people are true [lacrosse] bags. The tournament will allow 6 teams to play at Navy Marine (this is where some turd will bag on the Academy) and have the novel opportunity to play on TV.

I agree I never thought when I brought this tournament up anyone would talk bad about it. But of course some did. I thought people would be mad because they where told no or not ask to play in it. But this tournament and its perks are as good as high school travel tournaments can be. Thats why I wanted to talk about who is not there and how come they where not.

$10 gate fee says it all. #itsnotaboutthekidsitsaboutourpockets

wait. you have to pay to see a club game?

Naval academy charges for parking. For any game there. It's a concession.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Navy-Marine Stadium use is not free. Hogan does not own it.

What a bunch of BOOBS

The TV production was first rate. Announcing, graphics, replays, were all incredible. [/quote
I just hope the ratings where good. So it's back next year on TV

I watched a rerun of Laverne and Shirley instead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Navy-Marine Stadium use is not free. Hogan does not own it.

What a bunch of BOOBS

The TV production was first rate. Announcing, graphics, replays, were all incredible. [/quote
I just hope the ratings where good. So it's back next year on TV

I watched a rerun of Laverne and Shirley instead.

Is that the episode that Squiggy told the coach he did prefirst and reclassed in eight grade in order to be a better player?? But Coach Pelino told him he still couldnt make the lacrosse team as Carmine was not only a better attackman..Carmine was on age and talented..Tough episode for poor Sqiggy and his parents!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Navy-Marine Stadium use is not free. Hogan does not own it.

What a bunch of BOOBS

The TV production was first rate. Announcing, graphics, replays, were all incredible. [/quote
I just hope the ratings where good. So it's back next year on TV

I watched a rerun of Laverne and Shirley instead.

Is that the episode that Squiggy told the coach he did prefirst and reclassed in eight grade in order to be a better player?? But Coach Pelino told him he still couldnt make the lacrosse team as Carmine was not only a better attackman..Carmine was on age and talented..Tough episode for poor Sqiggy and his parents!

Exactly the one -- it was very upsetting for poor Squiggy! And then I also watched the next episode where Mr Shotz promised Squiggy if he came to work at Shotz Brewery he would be guaranteed first line bottle topper to make the big bucks! So Sqiggy bit and signed on but Mr Shotz never put him on the first line. Instead he made him sweep floors in favor of Lenny whose was Dad was a close friend of Mr Shotz and poor Squiggy got duped again. It was a bad month for Squiggy!

Lenny was definitely a holdback. He was so big and tall. Always annoyed me. I think he field sense may have been his big down fall. Pinky played great long pole though

Crabs vs Crush today at noon - UMD. Crabs over Express was only 5-4 to get to final.

Wonder how fat crab has tried to game the system to try to pull out a win. Rabil suiting up?

Crabs beaten soundly. Better bring more holdbacks next time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs beaten soundly. Better bring more holdbacks next time.

Who won the 2019 game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs beaten soundly. Better bring more holdbacks next time.

Who won the 2019 game

Madlax over Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs beaten soundly. Better bring more holdbacks next time.

11-8 is a sound beating? Wow tough crowd.

It's a sound beating when the majority of the Crabs players should be on 2019/18 teams. 16 year olds on the Crabs 2020 team.

Yes but why let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes but why let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Crabs 2020 team should have been playing in the 2018 or at least the 2019 bracket. Entire program is a bunch of cheats and the fat leader does anything he can to game the system to his advantage. Can't believe all the parents who buy into his BS.

Crabs 2020 hasn't won a tournament all year. 2019 stinks. Huge disappointment for all that work and holdback nonsense.

Website says score was 11-9 . I can just hear the Looney's faithful ...." Stop hiding and let's get it on!"

Crabs are a joke. Seeing their 2020 holdback allstar team get smacked down by 91 was just awesome. Fatty, fatty fat crab whining and complaining made it even more enjoyable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a sound beating when the majority of the Crabs players should be on 2019/18 teams. 16 year olds on the Crabs 2020 team.

One less after today as one moves to FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a sound beating when the majority of the Crabs players should be on 2019/18 teams. 16 year olds on the Crabs 2020 team.

One less after today as one moves to FCA.

. Don't have to guess who that is. Going to CH and committed to UNC. Crab daddy's big middie who many consider only an average player at best, just big. You know "the big guy". Sure Ryan M already has a few holdbacks or maybe double holdbacks to replace him.

12-6. And was 11-3 late in 3rd. Was not a close game and one of Crush top players who also faces off was out

Game was lopsided entire was 5-2 after one quarter 11-4 and three

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Website says score was 11-9 . I can just hear the Looney's faithful ...." Stop hiding and let's get it on!"

Looneys could beat crush, not every time but they would beat them.

Looneys are very good but the difference I've seen w crush is how much they've physically grown and play w an edge. So when you combine that w them being by far the most skilled team it would take a team playing really really well and crush having an off day ( not likely) they are so consistent Even today ANY mistakes our boys made ended up in our goal. They are so disciplined and smart. Cap tipped

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes but why let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Crabs 2020 team should have been playing in the 2018 or at least the 2019 bracket. Entire program is a bunch of cheats and the fat leader does anything he can to game the system to his advantage. Can't believe all the parents who buy into his BS.

Stop being jealous because all the hold backs are taking your son's spots on the early recruiting process!!! The other plus is he can drive to high school all four years and I don't have to get up any earlier. Now I bet you didn't think of that did you. Every parent is going to raise their kids and do what they feel is in their best interest for them. So until everyone knows everyone's situation and why their kids may have been held back or started school later. Give it a break already and raise your kid how you want to and we will not judge you on how to do so. Can't wait for high school what are you all going to complain about then? I know when your smaller one has to play freshman because my double hold back will be taking his spot on the varsity team.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes but why let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Crabs 2020 team should have been playing in the 2018 or at least the 2019 bracket. Entire program is a bunch of cheats and the fat leader does anything he can to game the system to his advantage. Can't believe all the parents who buy into his BS.

Stop being jealous because all the hold backs are taking your son's spots on the early recruiting process!!! The other plus is he can drive to high school all four years and I don't have to get up any earlier. Now I bet you didn't think of that did you. Every parent is going to raise their kids and do what they feel is in their best interest for them. So until everyone knows everyone's situation and why their kids may have been held back or started school later. Give it a break already and raise your kid how you want to and we will not judge you on how to do so. Can't wait for high school what are you all going to complain about then? I know when your smaller one has to play freshman because my double hold back will be taking his spot on the varsity team.....

Well, besides your cheating double holdback, we could complain about your improper English and sentence structure and lack of punctuations!!!!

You are a tool. My 14 year old repeatedly ate your 16 year olds lunch yesterday.

It's been a long hot summer for CRABS...not many wins, crazy parents very silent...
Good to see...hold backs in the looser bracket.

11-7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes but why let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Crabs 2020 team should have been playing in the 2018 or at least the 2019 bracket. Entire program is a bunch of cheats and the fat leader does anything he can to game the system to his advantage. Can't believe all the parents who buy into his BS.

Stop being jealous because all the hold backs are taking your son's spots on the early recruiting process!!! The other plus is he can drive to high school all four years and I don't have to get up any earlier. Now I bet you didn't think of that did you. Every parent is going to raise their kids and do what they feel is in their best interest for them. So until everyone knows everyone's situation and why their kids may have been held back or started school later. Give it a break already and raise your kid how you want to and we will not judge you on how to do so. Can't wait for high school what are you all going to complain about then? I know when your smaller one has to play freshman because my double hold back will be taking his spot on the varsity team.....

your double holdback will be riding the pine senior year, after the age appropriate kids catch up to him physically.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes but why let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Crabs 2020 team should have been playing in the 2018 or at least the 2019 bracket. Entire program is a bunch of cheats and the fat leader does anything he can to game the system to his advantage. Can't believe all the parents who buy into his BS.

Stop being jealous because all the hold backs are taking your son's spots on the early recruiting process!!! The other plus is he can drive to high school all four years and I don't have to get up any earlier. Now I bet you didn't think of that did you. Every parent is going to raise their kids and do what they feel is in their best interest for them. So until everyone knows everyone's situation and why their kids may have been held back or started school later. Give it a break already and raise your kid how you want to and we will not judge you on how to do so. Can't wait for high school what are you all going to complain about then? I know when your smaller one has to play freshman because my double hold back will be taking his spot on the varsity team.....

your double holdback will be riding the pine senior year, after the age appropriate kids catch up to him physically.

Maybe by his sophomore year. Won't like riding the bench since his father told him he is the greatest. Well, guess what!

Somebody need to do a video of fat daddy crab and his comments.
Set to music...would be a best seller.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody need to do a video of fat daddy crab and his comments.
Set to music...would be a best seller.

Or the Madlax guy trying to work the refs in a game (especially when his kids are playing).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody need to do a video of fat daddy crab and his comments.
Set to music...would be a best seller.

Or the Madlax guy trying to work the refs in a game (especially when his kids are playing).

Working the ref is a art form. Baseball coaches have been doing it for a 100 years. I love how people in lacrosse act like it should not be done or that it does not work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody need to do a video of fat daddy crab and his comments.
Set to music...would be a best seller.

Or the Madlax guy trying to work the refs in a game (especially when his kids are playing).

Working the ref is a art form. Baseball coaches have been doing it for a 100 years. I love how people in lacrosse act like it should not be done or that it does not work.

It is stupid.. This is youth sports.. No need for working refs. Great idea.. teaching kids to cheat. Sheese

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody need to do a video of fat daddy crab and his comments.
Set to music...would be a best seller.

Or the Madlax guy trying to work the refs in a game (especially when his kids are playing).

Working the ref is a art form. Baseball coaches have been doing it for a 100 years. I love how people in lacrosse act like it should not be done or that it does not work.

Win or lose with class. That is something the Madlax guy doesn't know how to do. He does all kinds of cheap things in attempts to win. Stuff like yelling "hes offside" hoping the ref to blow an incorrect premature whistle (or at least killing a break).

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody need to do a video of fat daddy crab and his comments.
Set to music...would be a best seller.

Or the Madlax guy trying to work the refs in a game (especially when his kids are playing).

Working the ref is a art form. Baseball coaches have been doing it for a 100 years. I love how people in lacrosse act like it should not be done or that it does not work.

It is stupid.. This is youth sports.. No need for working refs. Great idea.. teaching kids to cheat. Sheese

Well baseball has been teaching kids to cheat for 100 years. And its called gamesmanship. We want to teach kids to win and be winners. They keep score,stats, and give prizes. But then you want the coach to act like it does not matter. Working a ref teaches them to not just except what they are given if it is wrong. So if you use this logic. You better never return your food when its wrong. You better except a crooked deck when you pay for one to be built. A coach is working for his team and his job is not to just sit there and take it. He is the advocate for the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody need to do a video of fat daddy crab and his comments.
Set to music...would be a best seller.

Or the Madlax guy trying to work the refs in a game (especially when his kids are playing).

Working the ref is a art form. Baseball coaches have been doing it for a 100 years. I love how people in lacrosse act like it should not be done or that it does not work.

It is stupid.. This is youth sports.. No need for working refs. Great idea.. teaching kids to cheat. Sheese

Well baseball has been teaching kids to cheat for 100 years. And its called gamesmanship. We want to teach kids to win and be winners. They keep score,stats, and give prizes. But then you want the coach to act like it does not matter. Working a ref teaches them to not just except what they are given if it is wrong. So if you use this logic. You better never return your food when its wrong. You better except a crooked deck when you pay for one to be built. A coach is working for his team and his job is not to just sit there and take it. He is the advocate for the team.

This is just crazy.. and very sad

I have seen a ref in MD who just penalizes them everytime they yell. Same guy I have also seen turn to parents and tell them to be quiet. Pretty funny when it happens....parent looks like a tool.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody need to do a video of fat daddy crab and his comments.
Set to music...would be a best seller.

Or the Madlax guy trying to work the refs in a game (especially when his kids are playing).

Working the ref is a art form. Baseball coaches have been doing it for a 100 years. I love how people in lacrosse act like it should not be done or that it does not work.

It is stupid.. This is youth sports.. No need for working refs. Great idea.. teaching kids to cheat. Sheese

Well baseball has been teaching kids to cheat for 100 years. And its called gamesmanship. We want to teach kids to win and be winners. They keep score,stats, and give prizes. But then you want the coach to act like it does not matter. Working a ref teaches them to not just except what they are given if it is wrong. So if you use this logic. You better never return your food when its wrong. You better except a crooked deck when you pay for one to be built. A coach is working for his team and his job is not to just sit there and take it. He is the advocate for the team.

This is just crazy.. and very sad

I am not saying the the Madlax owner handles himself correctly at all times. I was talking about the art of working a Ref. I 100% feel its part of the head coaches job to do this. There are more then one way to get this done. But all great coaches do it. And if the other teams coach is doing it you have to do it also or your team will feel the pain if you do not do your part as a head coach. If done correctly the head coach is the source of all information to the Ref. And if done correctly the kids/players do Zero talking to the refs. And if done correctly the 3 slash to the head of your player is called with 1 min left in the game and you gain the advantage. So please tell me how this process is stupid? Yes I agree you should be calling the ref names or blind in a U11 game. But mistakes need to and should be pointed out at all levels to the refs. Maybe a real Ref can chime in on this topic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have seen a ref in MD who just penalizes them everytime they yell. Same guy I have also seen turn to parents and tell them to be quiet. Pretty funny when it happens....parent looks like a tool.

That is what he wants to do. I have seen this guy many times. And he might make a statement and make a scene. But I see him change the way he calls things depending on what the coach/parents are talking about. Refs are human. All humans can be worked to get what you want/need. You do not need to do 8 years of college to understand people can be worked.

Crabs and FCA are the kings of gaming the system. Playing 8th graders who are 16 years old is just ridiculous. Look at all the 2020 verbal commits. How many of them are actually rising freshman? I'd venture to guess not many. Complete sham...

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

Unfortunately holding back your child does work for decent to good players. Holding these decent players back turns the player into a much better player. It gives him an advantage others same age and skill dont get as these non holdbacks will have to play against older players or same age always at youth level. It only makes sense?? playing down gets you an advantage. And if you are already a Very good player, holding you back turns you into a superstar against younger children. Pretty Simple!

Is it Right?? Most dont think so? But it is stupid to think it doesnt work for most kids. Especially against the same talent and younger. The true athletics on age will still be superior as time goes along. But lacrosse doesnt always get tons of superior true athletic as many go to other money sports.

I think the situation of holding your child back will get more and more of these kids as time goes on. Private school parents will be ramping up more holdbacks and once Public Schools catch on to this scheme ???? I dont even think ER getting a later date in HS will stop the flow as it seems the holdback/prefirst/reclass era of lacrosse is here to stay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

Maybe it is time for Little Johnny to be held back a grade to take your sons place .If that doesnt work hold him back two grades! Seems fair to you!

nah..too late.. you missed out on that opportunity.

My little Johnny is on age and plays for an Ivy. My little Jimmy Is on age and is committed to a top 20 D1 program. Neither of them had to cheat their way to the front of the line. All you holdback parents who have a verbal from one of these programs - good for you - you gamed the system and got the ultimate - an imaginary offer from a coach that may or may not be there in 4 years or probably 5 because you will probably PG your kid too.

Every study shows kids that are held back for sports are less successful as adults even when they attend a better college compared to kids that did not hold back. Holding back a kid may result in short term success at the cost of long term success. Also there is a much higher rate of holdback kids with psychiatric problems as adults. The studies are out there. We have to hope parents are not holding kids back without fist consulting with medical and education professionals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

Unfortunately holding back your child does work for decent to good players. Holding these decent players back turns the player into a much better player. It gives him an advantage others same age and skill dont get as these non holdbacks will have to play against older players or same age always at youth level. It only makes sense?? playing down gets you an advantage. And if you are already a Very good player, holding you back turns you into a superstar against younger children. Pretty Simple!

Is it Right?? Most dont think so? But it is stupid to think it doesnt work for most kids. Especially against the same talent and younger. The true athletics on age will still be superior as time goes along. But lacrosse doesnt always get tons of superior true athletic as many go to other money sports.

I think the situation of holding your child back will get more and more of these kids as time goes on. Private school parents will be ramping up more holdbacks and once Public Schools catch on to this scheme ???? I dont even think ER getting a later date in HS will stop the flow as it seems the holdback/prefirst/reclass era of lacrosse is here to stay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

my Johnny did pick up the stick more, trained harder, stood out this summer etc and is going to his dream school and enjoying some down time. You are so right, playing up was the difference maker and the better news is that he is on age. I can't imagine you and all the other holdbacks humiliation you must have felt by having to explain to your son that we have to have you play down now because although we always told you that playing up will make you better we now have to play you down with the younger kids so you will look better. the sad thing also is that all these holdbacks had parents that were clamoring to play up in 4th, 5th, and 6th grades and now clamor to play down. You have my pity and wish you Godspeed .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

my Johnny did pick up the stick more, trained harder, stood out this summer etc and is going to his dream school and enjoying some down time. You are so right, playing up was the difference maker and the better news is that he is on age. I can't imagine you and all the other holdbacks humiliation you must have felt by having to explain to your son that we have to have you play down now because although we always told you that playing up will make you better we now have to play you down with the younger kids so you will look better. the sad thing also is that all these holdbacks had parents that were clamoring to play up in 4th, 5th, and 6th grades and now clamor to play down. You have my pity and wish you Godspeed .

BOOM.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

my Johnny did pick up the stick more, trained harder, stood out this summer etc and is going to his dream school and enjoying some down time. You are so right, playing up was the difference maker and the better news is that he is on age. I can't imagine you and all the other holdbacks humiliation you must have felt by having to explain to your son that we have to have you play down now because although we always told you that playing up will make you better we now have to play you down with the younger kids so you will look better. the sad thing also is that all these holdbacks had parents that were clamoring to play up in 4th, 5th, and 6th grades and now clamor to play down. You have my pity and wish you Godspeed .

It's going to kill you when that kid's son gets an offer. Coaches don't care about the ages, only the classes. Keep on crying.

Good one.. It's funny. I thought I had and idea of which dad (with the very average lacrosse player) it was that made that comment and my suspicions were confirmed when his obnoxious sideline hag he calls his wife incriminated herself with her patented "Boom" touch�.. Oh and .. Boom!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are currently 30+ very happy 2020 families (mix of holdbacks and on age)and a bunch of top college coaches who couldn't possibly care less about that statement as they now sit back and enjoy a lacrosse free Aug. The good news is that there is still time for you to stop making excuses for your little Johnny and get him to pick up the stick more, train harder etc etc. After all, it is you holdback critics who say "good players always play up". If that's so true then your boy should have just completed a great summer and secured himself a roster spot at his dream school as he competed and stood out, (as he always has) against a mix of older talented players..

my Johnny did pick up the stick more, trained harder, stood out this summer etc and is going to his dream school and enjoying some down time. You are so right, playing up was the difference maker and the better news is that he is on age. I can't imagine you and all the other holdbacks humiliation you must have felt by having to explain to your son that we have to have you play down now because although we always told you that playing up will make you better we now have to play you down with the younger kids so you will look better. the sad thing also is that all these holdbacks had parents that were clamoring to play up in 4th, 5th, and 6th grades and now clamor to play down. You have my pity and wish you Godspeed .

It's going to kill you when that kid's son gets an offer. Coaches don't care about the ages, only the classes. Keep on crying.

Perhaps you were held back yourself as you obviously are having a hard time reading or comprehending - the above post refers to someone who has committed already, no longer waiting for an offer, thus no crying. I do find it interesting though that you bypassed the whole humiliation aspect. That must have been brutal, I feel for ya.

You are some serious issues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are some serious issues.

Totally agree, holdback parents have huge issues

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are some serious issues.

Totally agree, holdback parents have huge issues

You can keep crying, but those kids are still going to be recruited and committed. College coaches laugh at parents like you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are some serious issues.

Totally agree, holdback parents have huge issues

You can keep crying, but those kids are still going to be recruited and committed. College coaches laugh at parents like you.

No crying and plenty of laughter here, he's committed. Never said college coaches wouldn't recruit and commit holdbacks. The question is how humiliating was it to tell your son you have to hold him back because he no longer can compete on age? Sure you may still get recruited and committed but how humiliating was that?

I know of a family who's Aug 2001 bday son has quietly committed to Duke and he is beyond humiliated.. I'm not sure he will ever recover.. You sir.. are a complete moron. You get more stupid with every response..

[quote=Anonymous]I know of a family who's Aug 2001 bday son has quietly committed to Duke and he is beyond humiliated.. I'm not sure he will ever recover.. You sir.. are a complete moron. You get more stupid with every response.. [/quoteWas he on Crabs 2020 team this past spring/summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know of a family who's Aug 2001 bday son has quietly committed to Duke and he is beyond humiliated.. I'm not sure he will ever recover.. You sir.. are a complete moron. You get more stupid with every response..

Before you go throwing around such big words as moron, want don't you try thinking or reading. The question was asked to all those holdback parents who had to tell their son they had to play down. How humiliating was it that you can no longer compete on age? Your response is you know a family who has a 2001 who quietly committed to Duke? I'm not sure he will ever recover? Really? That is great for the kid but Mr. Moron you never answered the question. Please don't tell me that you are an ends justifies the means kind of person? That would be funny, even for a moron like you.

ahhh my court jester. continue to reply as it makes for great comic relief.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ahhh my court jester. continue to reply as it makes for great comic relief.

Anything I can do to lessen the humiliation of having to tell your son he has to play down. I'm here all week....

As a parent of children that go to school with these holdback or more likely prefist children I do think it is not the greatest thing for many of these kids. Many seem more aware being out of place when they were younger, As they got older it didnt seem to matter as much. Maybe they held it in better as they got older?? Years ago it wasnt mentioned..but now many of the prefirst kids hear comments on them being held back, For some reason more people seem aware of it now than before, even tho it has been done for many many years? Maybe due to being more now? Just my observations,,not a professional.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of children that go to school with these holdback or more likely prefist children I do think it is not the greatest thing for many of these kids. Many seem more aware being out of place when they were younger, As they got older it didnt seem to matter as much. Maybe they held it in better as they got older?? Years ago it wasnt mentioned..but now many of the prefirst kids hear comments on them being held back, For some reason more people seem aware of it now than before, even tho it has been done for many many years? Maybe due to being more now? Just my observations,,not a professional.

Well no one was mad about it 3 years ago because they still had the teams by age not grade. So the kids did not care if you where older you would be on the older team. But now when you are the 4th attackman and there are 2 pre first kids ahead of you, you tend to want to say something. But as a parent its easier to talk to your son about not starting. You just say its ok son that kid is cheating and will be 19 when he graduates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of children that go to school with these holdback or more likely prefist children I do think it is not the greatest thing for many of these kids. Many seem more aware being out of place when they were younger, As they got older it didnt seem to matter as much. Maybe they held it in better as they got older?? Years ago it wasnt mentioned..but now many of the prefirst kids hear comments on them being held back, For some reason more people seem aware of it now than before, even tho it has been done for many many years? Maybe due to being more now? Just my observations,,not a professional.

Well no one was mad about it 3 years ago because they still had the teams by age not grade. So the kids did not care if you where older you would be on the older team. But now when you are the 4th attackman and there are 2 pre first kids ahead of you, you tend to want to say something. But as a parent its easier to talk to your son about not starting. You just say its ok son that kid is cheating and will be 19 when he graduates.

You can not call Pre 1 kids holdbacks. They aren't. I doubt ANY parent was thinking back when their son was 5, "Oh hey, maybe we should hold him back for an athletic advantage now." My kid is a Pre 1 kid. My kid was held back because at the adorable, tiny age of 5, he was not speaking yet, he was extremely developmentally delayed with his fine motor skills. When he was 5 and we were told Pre1 for him, my first thought was not AWESOME, my kid will be the biggest going into high school and have an athletic advantage in any sport he plays. No. My first thought was GOD please let me son be ok, please let these developmental issues not be something he will struggle with for the rest of his life. THAT is what was going through our minds. And I am sure other Pre1 kids were held back for the same reason. So PLEASE do NOT group Pre1 boys in with the rest of the boys who are held back PURELY for athletic advantage. My son, 15 as of the end of July, is the second smallest kid on the team. He is one of few on the team who has not hit puberty yet. But you know what, he works his [lacrosse] off to make up for his height, and he starts in a position that relies heavily on size.

If I am wrong, and Pre1 kids are held back that early for athletic advantage, then those parents need to put the crack pipe down. But my guess is most of the Pre1 kids and families went through exactly what we did, and were more worried about the future of their child as a human being than a jock. Stop calling Pre1 kids cheaters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of children that go to school with these holdback or more likely prefist children I do think it is not the greatest thing for many of these kids. Many seem more aware being out of place when they were younger, As they got older it didnt seem to matter as much. Maybe they held it in better as they got older?? Years ago it wasnt mentioned..but now many of the prefirst kids hear comments on them being held back, For some reason more people seem aware of it now than before, even tho it has been done for many many years? Maybe due to being more now? Just my observations,,not a professional.

Well no one was mad about it 3 years ago because they still had the teams by age not grade. So the kids did not care if you where older you would be on the older team. But now when you are the 4th attackman and there are 2 pre first kids ahead of you, you tend to want to say something. But as a parent its easier to talk to your son about not starting. You just say its ok son that kid is cheating and will be 19 when he graduates.

You can not call Pre 1 kids holdbacks. They aren't. I doubt ANY parent was thinking back when their son was 5, "Oh hey, maybe we should hold him back for an athletic advantage now." My kid is a Pre 1 kid. My kid was held back because at the adorable, tiny age of 5, he was not speaking yet, he was extremely developmentally delayed with his fine motor skills. When he was 5 and we were told Pre1 for him, my first thought was not AWESOME, my kid will be the biggest going into high school and have an athletic advantage in any sport he plays. No. My first thought was GOD please let me son be ok, please let these developmental issues not be something he will struggle with for the rest of his life. THAT is what was going through our minds. And I am sure other Pre1 kids were held back for the same reason. So PLEASE do NOT group Pre1 boys in with the rest of the boys who are held back PURELY for athletic advantage. My son, 15 as of the end of July, is the second smallest kid on the team. He is one of few on the team who has not hit puberty yet. But you know what, he works his [lacrosse] off to make up for his height, and he starts in a position that relies heavily on size.

If I am wrong, and Pre1 kids are held back that early for athletic advantage, then those parents need to put the crack pipe down. But my guess is most of the Pre1 kids and families went through exactly what we did, and were more worried about the future of their child as a human being than a jock. Stop calling Pre1 kids cheaters.

Well like I said it was not a issue when things where age based because your son would be on the team with the 10th graders not 9th graders. Because his age is on line with that grade. Your story sounds like the real reason for Pre first and the thinking behind it. But if your son is on any team that has 2026 to 2021 in the name he should be playing up one year higher because no matter his size he is a year older then the rest of the kids who are not pre- first. I get him playing with his grade if he is a 2020 or higher those are being looked at by colleges and they need to know his real grade.

Rational reply, but he is not a year older....in most cases he would be 5 weeks older than the older kids in that group. A true holdback and the "double holdbacks" are all older than he is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of children that go to school with these holdback or more likely prefist children I do think it is not the greatest thing for many of these kids. Many seem more aware being out of place when they were younger, As they got older it didnt seem to matter as much. Maybe they held it in better as they got older?? Years ago it wasnt mentioned..but now many of the prefirst kids hear comments on them being held back, For some reason more people seem aware of it now than before, even tho it has been done for many many years? Maybe due to being more now? Just my observations,,not a professional.

Well no one was mad about it 3 years ago because they still had the teams by age not grade. So the kids did not care if you where older you would be on the older team. But now when you are the 4th attackman and there are 2 pre first kids ahead of you, you tend to want to say something. But as a parent its easier to talk to your son about not starting. You just say its ok son that kid is cheating and will be 19 when he graduates.

You can not call Pre 1 kids holdbacks. They aren't. I doubt ANY parent was thinking back when their son was 5, "Oh hey, maybe we should hold him back for an athletic advantage now." My kid is a Pre 1 kid. My kid was held back because at the adorable, tiny age of 5, he was not speaking yet, he was extremely developmentally delayed with his fine motor skills. When he was 5 and we were told Pre1 for him, my first thought was not AWESOME, my kid will be the biggest going into high school and have an athletic advantage in any sport he plays. No. My first thought was GOD please let me son be ok, please let these developmental issues not be something he will struggle with for the rest of his life. THAT is what was going through our minds. And I am sure other Pre1 kids were held back for the same reason. So PLEASE do NOT group Pre1 boys in with the rest of the boys who are held back PURELY for athletic advantage. My son, 15 as of the end of July, is the second smallest kid on the team. He is one of few on the team who has not hit puberty yet. But you know what, he works his [lacrosse] off to make up for his height, and he starts in a position that relies heavily on size.

If I am wrong, and Pre1 kids are held back that early for athletic advantage, then those parents need to put the crack pipe down. But my guess is most of the Pre1 kids and families went through exactly what we did, and were more worried about the future of their child as a human being than a jock. Stop calling Pre1 kids cheaters.

You have a rational reason for your child being held back from going to 1st grade. And I dont think anyone has anything against what you have done for your childs education. But you must understand that to many your child is in a grade lower than what he should be by the State of Maryland start dates. Even if that is ONE day. While I know many use the term holdbacks as something evil..Your child was heldback from moving on to 1st grade, and many are right calling him a holdback as it pertains to YOUTH lacrosse and State of Md standards.

Also you must realize that your son is getting an advantage that the majority or 99% of children arent getting. He gets to ignore the Sept 1 USl guidelines for age and overnight become the oldest ( or one of the oldest) kids on the team. If going by grade he stills gets this advantage as only a select amount of kids are heldback/prefirst. Why does your son get this advantage when 99% of the children in MD dont get it?? If anyone in Maryland your sons age was allowed to play exactly like your son..than there would be very little animosity about playing down, as anyone could play down that wanted.

While you say your son is small and works his but off, that is exactly how many other children your sons exact age perform now too. But they are going against kids older than them from 1 to 11 months...while your son gets to compete against children he is older than by 1-12 months. Who do you think will start?? Your son or the boy born same month as your son but a year different and younger by a year?? Your son more than likely. Why cant these kids get the same advantage your son gets ??

While your son may have the right reasons for doing prefirst as do others..Please dont kid yourself that many are doing prefirst for getting an advantage.

Let me apologize to everyone.. Myself include will never get the 30 seconds back that we just wasted reading that gibberish. For the 1000th time no coach gives a rats arse about the age of his new recruit. Period end of story..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of children that go to school with these holdback or more likely prefist children I do think it is not the greatest thing for many of these kids. Many seem more aware being out of place when they were younger, As they got older it didnt seem to matter as much. Maybe they held it in better as they got older?? Years ago it wasnt mentioned..but now many of the prefirst kids hear comments on them being held back, For some reason more people seem aware of it now than before, even tho it has been done for many many years? Maybe due to being more now? Just my observations,,not a professional.

Well no one was mad about it 3 years ago because they still had the teams by age not grade. So the kids did not care if you where older you would be on the older team. But now when you are the 4th attackman and there are 2 pre first kids ahead of you, you tend to want to say something. But as a parent its easier to talk to your son about not starting. You just say its ok son that kid is cheating and will be 19 when he graduates.

You can not call Pre 1 kids holdbacks. They aren't. I doubt ANY parent was thinking back when their son was 5, "Oh hey, maybe we should hold him back for an athletic advantage now." My kid is a Pre 1 kid. My kid was held back because at the adorable, tiny age of 5, he was not speaking yet, he was extremely developmentally delayed with his fine motor skills. When he was 5 and we were told Pre1 for him, my first thought was not AWESOME, my kid will be the biggest going into high school and have an athletic advantage in any sport he plays. No. My first thought was GOD please let me son be ok, please let these developmental issues not be something he will struggle with for the rest of his life. THAT is what was going through our minds. And I am sure other Pre1 kids were held back for the same reason. So PLEASE do NOT group Pre1 boys in with the rest of the boys who are held back PURELY for athletic advantage. My son, 15 as of the end of July, is the second smallest kid on the team. He is one of few on the team who has not hit puberty yet. But you know what, he works his [lacrosse] off to make up for his height, and he starts in a position that relies heavily on size.

If I am wrong, and Pre1 kids are held back that early for athletic advantage, then those parents need to put the crack pipe down. But my guess is most of the Pre1 kids and families went through exactly what we did, and were more worried about the future of their child as a human being than a jock. Stop calling Pre1 kids cheaters.

You have a rational reason for your child being held back from going to 1st grade. And I dont think anyone has anything against what you have done for your childs education. But you must understand that to many your child is in a grade lower than what he should be by the State of Maryland start dates. Even if that is ONE day. While I know many use the term holdbacks as something evil..Your child was heldback from moving on to 1st grade, and many are right calling him a holdback as it pertains to YOUTH lacrosse and State of Md standards.

Also you must realize that your son is getting an advantage that the majority or 99% of children arent getting. He gets to ignore the Sept 1 USl guidelines for age and overnight become the oldest ( or one of the oldest) kids on the team. If going by grade he stills gets this advantage as only a select amount of kids are heldback/prefirst. Why does your son get this advantage when 99% of the children in MD dont get it?? If anyone in Maryland your sons age was allowed to play exactly like your son..than there would be very little animosity about playing down, as anyone could play down that wanted.

While you say your son is small and works his but off, that is exactly how many other children your sons exact age perform now too. But they are going against kids older than them from 1 to 11 months...while your son gets to compete against children he is older than by 1-12 months. Who do you think will start?? Your son or the boy born same month as your son but a year different and younger by a year?? Your son more than likely. Why cant these kids get the same advantage your son gets ??

While your son may have the right reasons for doing prefirst as do others..Please dont kid yourself that many are doing prefirst for getting an advantage.

Hey idiot, any kid can do a pre-first year...soooo, the advantage is open to anyone. This isn't a new concept but some can't seem to accept that it happens. My son didn't do a pre-first, is on grade and was able to compete at any level despite being undersized. Stop with the advantages, cheating or what every you want to call it. Work hard, focus on what you can control and hopefully good things happen.

^^^. Finally someone who spells it out perfectly for everyone! Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me apologize to everyone.. Myself include will never get the 30 seconds back that we just wasted reading that gibberish. For the 1000th time no coach gives a rats arse about the age of his new recruit. Period end of story..

You can apologize all you want. Your very thoughtful response says a lot about you!..
Youth lacrosse was not made for college coaches last I checked?
For some reason I thought it was about the boys and girls playing??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of children that go to school with these holdback or more likely prefist children I do think it is not the greatest thing for many of these kids. Many seem more aware being out of place when they were younger, As they got older it didnt seem to matter as much. Maybe they held it in better as they got older?? Years ago it wasnt mentioned..but now many of the prefirst kids hear comments on them being held back, For some reason more people seem aware of it now than before, even tho it has been done for many many years? Maybe due to being more now? Just my observations,,not a professional.

Well no one was mad about it 3 years ago because they still had the teams by age not grade. So the kids did not care if you where older you would be on the older team. But now when you are the 4th attackman and there are 2 pre first kids ahead of you, you tend to want to say something. But as a parent its easier to talk to your son about not starting. You just say its ok son that kid is cheating and will be 19 when he graduates.

You can not call Pre 1 kids holdbacks. They aren't. I doubt ANY parent was thinking back when their son was 5, "Oh hey, maybe we should hold him back for an athletic advantage now." My kid is a Pre 1 kid. My kid was held back because at the adorable, tiny age of 5, he was not speaking yet, he was extremely developmentally delayed with his fine motor skills. When he was 5 and we were told Pre1 for him, my first thought was not AWESOME, my kid will be the biggest going into high school and have an athletic advantage in any sport he plays. No. My first thought was GOD please let me son be ok, please let these developmental issues not be something he will struggle with for the rest of his life. THAT is what was going through our minds. And I am sure other Pre1 kids were held back for the same reason. So PLEASE do NOT group Pre1 boys in with the rest of the boys who are held back PURELY for athletic advantage. My son, 15 as of the end of July, is the second smallest kid on the team. He is one of few on the team who has not hit puberty yet. But you know what, he works his [lacrosse] off to make up for his height, and he starts in a position that relies heavily on size.

If I am wrong, and Pre1 kids are held back that early for athletic advantage, then those parents need to put the crack pipe down. But my guess is most of the Pre1 kids and families went through exactly what we did, and were more worried about the future of their child as a human being than a jock. Stop calling Pre1 kids cheaters.

You have a rational reason for your child being held back from going to 1st grade. And I dont think anyone has anything against what you have done for your childs education. But you must understand that to many your child is in a grade lower than what he should be by the State of Maryland start dates. Even if that is ONE day. While I know many use the term holdbacks as something evil..Your child was heldback from moving on to 1st grade, and many are right calling him a holdback as it pertains to YOUTH lacrosse and State of Md standards.

Also you must realize that your son is getting an advantage that the majority or 99% of children arent getting. He gets to ignore the Sept 1 USl guidelines for age and overnight become the oldest ( or one of the oldest) kids on the team. If going by grade he stills gets this advantage as only a select amount of kids are heldback/prefirst. Why does your son get this advantage when 99% of the children in MD dont get it?? If anyone in Maryland your sons age was allowed to play exactly like your son..than there would be very little animosity about playing down, as anyone could play down that wanted.

While you say your son is small and works his but off, that is exactly how many other children your sons exact age perform now too. But they are going against kids older than them from 1 to 11 months...while your son gets to compete against children he is older than by 1-12 months. Who do you think will start?? Your son or the boy born same month as your son but a year different and younger by a year?? Your son more than likely. Why cant these kids get the same advantage your son gets ??

While your son may have the right reasons for doing prefirst as do others..Please dont kid yourself that many are doing prefirst for getting an advantage.

Hey idiot, any kid can do a pre-first year...soooo, the advantage is open to anyone. This isn't a new concept but some can't seem to accept that it happens. My son didn't do a pre-first, is on grade and was able to compete at any level despite being undersized. Stop with the advantages, cheating or what every you want to call it. Work hard, focus on what you can control and hopefully good things happen.

Idiot?? I think your statement is more in line with that phrase.
Your statement says it all. Any kid can do prefisrt do get an advantage? That is false. The public schools have no such grade. Only the Private schools have this made up grade.
You either go on to 1st grade from Kindergarten or you stay back and learn the same thing again in the Publics. Most people dont want their child learning the exact same thing again in the same class. Prefirst students in Private Schools actually continue on with kindergarten and learn new things in a new class. Most,Not all Private school kids going into 1st grade after prefirst are ahead of the others who went straight from Kindergarten to 1st grade.

And as usual you apologists for playing down miss the whole concept of YOUTH lacrosse. And especially the apologists who have Superman sons like you! LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me apologize to everyone.. Myself include will never get the 30 seconds back that we just wasted reading that gibberish. For the 1000th time no coach gives a rats arse about the age of his new recruit. Period end of story..

You can apologize all you want. Your very thoughtful response says a lot about you!..
Youth lacrosse was not made for college coaches last I checked?
For some reason I thought it was about the boys and girls playing??

It is about the boys and girls playing, but your angst is being directed in the wrong place. So, say pre 1st kid has a bday of 7/28/01 and kid B has a bday of 9/2/01. Technically, pre 1st kid should be playing 2019, but is and always has been in the class of 2020. They are less than 5 weeks apart. Kid B who has been in class of 2020 since 1st grade decides in 7th grade to "holdback". So now kid B who is less than a month younger than pre 1st kid is playing 2021. But you want the pre 1st kid to play 2019 and group him in with the Kid B who is playing with kids 2 years younger at 2021? Its NOT the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of children that go to school with these holdback or more likely prefist children I do think it is not the greatest thing for many of these kids. Many seem more aware being out of place when they were younger, As they got older it didnt seem to matter as much. Maybe they held it in better as they got older?? Years ago it wasnt mentioned..but now many of the prefirst kids hear comments on them being held back, For some reason more people seem aware of it now than before, even tho it has been done for many many years? Maybe due to being more now? Just my observations,,not a professional.

Well no one was mad about it 3 years ago because they still had the teams by age not grade. So the kids did not care if you where older you would be on the older team. But now when you are the 4th attackman and there are 2 pre first kids ahead of you, you tend to want to say something. But as a parent its easier to talk to your son about not starting. You just say its ok son that kid is cheating and will be 19 when he graduates.

You can not call Pre 1 kids holdbacks. They aren't. I doubt ANY parent was thinking back when their son was 5, "Oh hey, maybe we should hold him back for an athletic advantage now." My kid is a Pre 1 kid. My kid was held back because at the adorable, tiny age of 5, he was not speaking yet, he was extremely developmentally delayed with his fine motor skills. When he was 5 and we were told Pre1 for him, my first thought was not AWESOME, my kid will be the biggest going into high school and have an athletic advantage in any sport he plays. No. My first thought was GOD please let me son be ok, please let these developmental issues not be something he will struggle with for the rest of his life. THAT is what was going through our minds. And I am sure other Pre1 kids were held back for the same reason. So PLEASE do NOT group Pre1 boys in with the rest of the boys who are held back PURELY for athletic advantage. My son, 15 as of the end of July, is the second smallest kid on the team. He is one of few on the team who has not hit puberty yet. But you know what, he works his [lacrosse] off to make up for his height, and he starts in a position that relies heavily on size.

If I am wrong, and Pre1 kids are held back that early for athletic advantage, then those parents need to put the crack pipe down. But my guess is most of the Pre1 kids and families went through exactly what we did, and were more worried about the future of their child as a human being than a jock. Stop calling Pre1 kids cheaters.

You have a rational reason for your child being held back from going to 1st grade. And I dont think anyone has anything against what you have done for your childs education. But you must understand that to many your child is in a grade lower than what he should be by the State of Maryland start dates. Even if that is ONE day. While I know many use the term holdbacks as something evil..Your child was heldback from moving on to 1st grade, and many are right calling him a holdback as it pertains to YOUTH lacrosse and State of Md standards.

Also you must realize that your son is getting an advantage that the majority or 99% of children arent getting. He gets to ignore the Sept 1 USl guidelines for age and overnight become the oldest ( or one of the oldest) kids on the team. If going by grade he stills gets this advantage as only a select amount of kids are heldback/prefirst. Why does your son get this advantage when 99% of the children in MD dont get it?? If anyone in Maryland your sons age was allowed to play exactly like your son..than there would be very little animosity about playing down, as anyone could play down that wanted.

While you say your son is small and works his but off, that is exactly how many other children your sons exact age perform now too. But they are going against kids older than them from 1 to 11 months...while your son gets to compete against children he is older than by 1-12 months. Who do you think will start?? Your son or the boy born same month as your son but a year different and younger by a year?? Your son more than likely. Why cant these kids get the same advantage your son gets ??

While your son may have the right reasons for doing prefirst as do others..Please dont kid yourself that many are doing prefirst for getting an advantage.

Hey idiot, any kid can do a pre-first year...soooo, the advantage is open to anyone. This isn't a new concept but some can't seem to accept that it happens. My son didn't do a pre-first, is on grade and was able to compete at any level despite being undersized. Stop with the advantages, cheating or what every you want to call it. Work hard, focus on what you can control and hopefully good things happen.

Idiot?? I think your statement is more in line with that phrase.
Your statement says it all. Any kid can do prefisrt do get an advantage? That is false. The public schools have no such grade. Only the Private schools have this made up grade.
You either go on to 1st grade from Kindergarten or you stay back and learn the same thing again in the Publics. Most people dont want their child learning the exact same thing again in the same class. Prefirst students in Private Schools actually continue on with kindergarten and learn new things in a new class. Most,Not all Private school kids going into 1st grade after prefirst are ahead of the others who went straight from Kindergarten to 1st grade.

And as usual you apologists for playing down miss the whole concept of YOUTH lacrosse. And especially the apologists who have Superman sons like you! LOL

A child can do a pre-first year and then go on to public school, can't they?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me apologize to everyone.. Myself include will never get the 30 seconds back that we just wasted reading that gibberish. For the 1000th time no coach gives a rats arse about the age of his new recruit. Period end of story..

You can apologize all you want. Your very thoughtful response says a lot about you!..
Youth lacrosse was not made for college coaches last I checked?
For some reason I thought it was about the boys and girls playing??

It is about the boys and girls playing, but your angst is being directed in the wrong place. So, say pre 1st kid has a bday of 7/28/01 and kid B has a bday of 9/2/01. Technically, pre 1st kid should be playing 2019, but is and always has been in the class of 2020. They are less than 5 weeks apart. Kid B who has been in class of 2020 since 1st grade decides in 7th grade to "holdback". So now kid B who is less than a month younger than pre 1st kid is playing 2021. But you want the pre 1st kid to play 2019 and group him in with the Kid B who is playing with kids 2 years younger at 2021? Its NOT the same.

Actually your reasoning is why most youth sports are based on age. And the exact reason we need age base in Lacrosse.

You are using TWO kids that were held back as your examples.
If they played in a age base league the most any kid would be is at the Minimum one day or MAXIMUM one year younger than EVERY SINGLE PLAYER. Both your players can be held back ten times and it wouldnt matter..They play with their age.

Even in your example, the MAJORITY of players are not heldback or prefirst. So the majority of players will suffer as you say the 7/28 kid does in a grade base league. Only one that wont suffer in a grade base league are the Holdbacks,,as they can be anywhere from MINIMUM one day to maximum 2 years older than the MAJORITY of players if they were held back just ONE year.

But we all know in age base league that their are kids at each end of spectrum. But add grade base and you still have the majority of players at each end of spectrum PLUS a bunch of holdbacks/prefirsts even OLDER ... How the heck is that fair in YOUTH Sports????

To sum up the last 100 posts to this forum:

The Crabs have more holdbacks than other clubs and we don't think it's fair.

You continue to forget that NOBODY that matters gives a sh*t about making changes.. We all agree early recruiting is not a good thing but that's a separate issue. The top 8-10 club teams are thoroughly enjoying the ultra competitive environment that currently exist.....as is!! Team 88+3 for years had to play up to get any competition. Now things have settled in so that can play four or five difference 2020 teams that will give them a game..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You continue to forget that NOBODY that matters gives a sh*t about making changes.. We all agree early recruiting is not a good thing but that's a separate issue. The top 8-10 club teams are thoroughly enjoying the ultra competitive environment that currently exist.....as is!! Team 88+3 for years had to play up to get any competition. Now things have settled in so that can play four or five difference 2020 teams that will give them a game..

Doesnt say much about Maryland Lacrosse..MD has to have holdbacks just to compete with LI teams which are even younger than our age based teams??

Hahaha. One LI team. The rest are very avg.. Sorry "Joebaggadonutz"

35 2020 D1 commitments and some very good teams have 0. Denver included. Shows that most D1 coaches don't believe in early recruiting. As an earlier poster stated...the majority of these 8th grade commits will "decommit" by signing day. Just a strategy that some coaches use. And Clubs are going to keep raking in the money from the rich lax kids parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To sum up the last 100 posts to this forum:

The Crabs have more holdbacks than other clubs and we don't think it's fair.

Yea and the last thing we want is a level playing field in youth lacrosse..That just doesnt work for the Crabs!

Crabs are a joke. Older kids playing against younger kids - it's the Crab way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are a joke. Older kids playing against younger kids - it's the Crab way.

Did you just crawl out from under a rock?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

35 2020 D1 commitments and some very good teams have 0. Denver included. Shows that most D1 coaches don't believe in early recruiting. As an earlier poster stated...the majority of these 8th grade commits will "decommit" by signing day. Just a strategy that some coaches use. And Clubs are going to keep raking in the money from the rich lax kids parents.

While I dont disagree with your general point, look at 2019 - a whole host of places you wouldnt necessarily expect have recruits (Navy, Vermont, Hobart, etc)
And BTW, Denver has 8 2019s so they are as in this as anyone. It is what it is. Clubs keep getting richer, coaches take bigger rosters (recruit lists) and thee will be more decommitts.

To me the interesting bets are the ones coaches make from the same club team with early commits - UNC bets on two MD teams for 2019, 88+3 will be sending many of their 2019s to the same place.

What were the turn out #'s like for the 21's today? Any new talent show up?

*please save the sarcasm and worn out punchlines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What were the turn out #'s like for the 21's today? Any new talent show up?

*please save the sarcasm and worn out punchlines.

I guess the question is, why do you care if you weren't there. There were over 50 kids there.

Well. It's a lacrosse forum and I asked a lacrosse question. In a respectful manner I may add. Why I asked is really not relevant nor something I need to explain to you. Did I offend you by asking? The world must be a difficult place for such a tender sole. But thank you for answering such a complex question. Laughing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What were the turn out #'s like for the 21's today? Any new talent show up?

*please save the sarcasm and worn out punchlines.

I guess the question is, why do you care if you weren't there. There were over 50 kids there.

And I would bet most of them are holdbacks, repeating the 8th grade, were on the 2020 team this spring. Just the way it rolls with the Crabs organization.

Im convinced the holdback comments are created and posted by "bots" .. Way to pathetic and consistent for it to be a just an envious parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im convinced the holdback comments are created and posted by "bots" .. Way to pathetic and consistent for it to be a just an envious parent.

Doubt it. The only really pathetic thing is the Crabs program, how it operates and how the parents/fans of Crabs feel they are superior, which everyone knows they aren't.
If for one minute you think other parents are envious of Crabs, you are really dreaming and clearly misinformed. So, see, I do not think this response would be a "bot". Also don't think the response is coming from Ryan M either. Lastly, it is "too pathetic" not "to pathetic". See, a bot couldn't do that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im convinced the holdback comments are created and posted by "bots" .. Way to pathetic and consistent for it to be a just an envious parent.

Doubt it. The only really pathetic thing is the Crabs program, how it operates and how the parents/fans of Crabs feel they are superior, which everyone knows they aren't.
If for one minute you think other parents are envious of Crabs, you are really dreaming and clearly misinformed. So, see, I do not think this response would be a "bot". Also don't think the response is coming from Ryan M either. Lastly, it is "too pathetic" not "to pathetic". See, a bot couldn't do that.

What really is surprising and sad is the families who say they would NEVER go to the organization and then throw away all their morals and priorities about what is right and allow their child to be part of such an organization. The excuse of "it is what the kid wants" is so shallow - you are the adult and you are paying $ for an experience you trashed for years as against what your family belief system is. All for a sport?!? Same goes for the holdback parents who flipped on the issue when confronted with a a choice that their son needed to play younger kids to look better. Sad state of affairs of a commentary on their integrity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im convinced the holdback comments are created and posted by "bots" .. Way to pathetic and consistent for it to be a just an envious parent.

Doubt it. The only really pathetic thing is the Crabs program, how it operates and how the parents/fans of Crabs feel they are superior, which everyone knows they aren't.
If for one minute you think other parents are envious of Crabs, you are really dreaming and clearly misinformed. So, see, I do not think this response would be a "bot". Also don't think the response is coming from Ryan M either. Lastly, it is "too pathetic" not "to pathetic". See, a bot couldn't do that.

What really is surprising and sad is the families who say they would NEVER go to the organization and then throw away all their morals and priorities about what is right and allow their child to be part of such an organization. The excuse of "it is what the kid wants" is so shallow - you are the adult and you are paying $ for an experience you trashed for years as against what your family belief system is. All for a sport?!? Same goes for the holdback parents who flipped on the issue when confronted with a a choice that their son needed to play younger kids to look better. Sad state of affairs of a commentary on their integrity.

They are playing lacrosse. Not leaving the country to join ISIS. Yeesh. Going against your family belief system? How about the kids play where they want because they have fun. God forbid.

Just heard the Crabs are adding a 2nd team for 2021. True?

What real parent would be envious of a family that lets their kid play for the crabs? Everyone involved with competitive youth lacrosse knows what a complete arse their owner is as well as his holdback scheme. Age based classification with put an end to the Crabs perceived dominance. House of cards...

The moral outrage here is laughable. If one is going to rail against the Crabs for holdbacks, rail against almost every club team out there.

The "age based classification with [sic] put and end ot the Crabs perceived dominance" line is funny. Crabs had incredible teams back with everything in youth ball was age based. Nice try.

Instead of complaining about grade based teams (which no college coach has a problem with), tell your son to work on the wall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What real parent would be envious of a family that lets their kid play for the crabs? Everyone involved with competitive youth lacrosse knows what a complete arse their owner is as well as his holdback scheme. Age based classification with put an end to the Crabs perceived dominance. House of cards...

Who said anything about being envious? No one cares. No parent should have anything to say really, because I guarantee that if you are in MD, there are holdback kids on your kid's team.

Age based lacrosse is a thing of the past and never coming back. Regardless of what USL tries to tell you and no matter how much the coaches pretend to want to change early recruiting. It's not happening.

Is your kid 8 and your new to club lacrosse or are you ignoring the fact that Crabs was actually more successful when things were age based?

The Crabs WERE successful when there were virtually no other elite club programs. Sears, Blockbuster and AOL were great too. How about fielding a team that doesn't have 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. Complete sham.

Crabs are a dying breed. See the number Crabs players at FCA tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs WERE successful when there were virtually no other elite club programs. Sears, Blockbuster and AOL were great too. How about fielding a team that doesn't have 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. Complete sham.

Crabs are a dying breed. See the number Crabs players at FCA tryouts?

See the number of FCA kids at Crabs tryouts? I thought FCA was a Christion organization? You may want to practice what you preach....Sinner...Stop spreading these dumb stories...Try supporting our sport instead of trying beat down other programs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs WERE successful when there were virtually no other elite club programs. Sears, Blockbuster and AOL were great too. How about fielding a team that doesn't have 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. Complete sham.

Crabs are a dying breed. See the number Crabs players at FCA tryouts?

That's whys so many of you talk about Crabs on this Forum...Yeah... That Club is not going anywhere [lacrosse]...Actually getting stronger and better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs WERE successful when there were virtually no other elite club programs. Sears, Blockbuster and AOL were great too. How about fielding a team that doesn't have 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. Complete sham.

Crabs are a dying breed. See the number Crabs players at FCA tryouts?

Going to tryouts and leaving Crabs are two different things. Maybe they were at FCA as insurance in case they get cut by Crabs. Certain there were more FCA helmets at Crabs tryouts than the other way around. Seemed like half the team was at Crabs 2021 tryouts.

You forgot older and fatter

Both teams are full of reclassed kids. Who cares? They can all practice their parallel parking in the middle school parking lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs WERE successful when there were virtually no other elite club programs. Sears, Blockbuster and AOL were great too. How about fielding a team that doesn't have 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. Complete sham.

Crabs are a dying breed. See the number Crabs players at FCA tryouts?

Going to tryouts and leaving Crabs are two different things. Maybe they were at FCA as insurance in case they get cut by Crabs. Certain there were more FCA helmets at Crabs tryouts than the other way around. Seemed like half the team was at Crabs 2021 tryouts.

The fca 2021 team is definitely not the strongest team so yes that is probably true and It is reverse for the 2020 teams. There are Multiple crabs 2020 kids moving to the FCA 2020 team and that's not just a rumor

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs WERE successful when there were virtually no other elite club programs. Sears, Blockbuster and AOL were great too. How about fielding a team that doesn't have 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. Complete sham.

Crabs are a dying breed. See the number Crabs players at FCA tryouts?

See the number of FCA kids at Crabs tryouts? I thought FCA was a Christion organization? You may want to practice what you preach....Sinner...Stop spreading these dumb stories...Try supporting our sport instead of trying beat down other programs...

What is a "christion organization"? Do you mean Christian? Plus, there are many many people that support youth lacrosse, it is just that no one, other than the Crab organization and their fake supporters, that would support Crabs. They deserve a beat down every chance their name appears. Now that is the Christian way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im convinced the holdback comments are created and posted by "bots" .. Way to pathetic and consistent for it to be a just an envious parent.

Doubt it. The only really pathetic thing is the Crabs program, how it operates and how the parents/fans of Crabs feel they are superior, which everyone knows they aren't.
If for one minute you think other parents are envious of Crabs, you are really dreaming and clearly misinformed. So, see, I do not think this response would be a "bot". Also don't think the response is coming from Ryan M either. Lastly, it is "too pathetic" not "to pathetic". See, a bot couldn't do that.

What really is surprising and sad is the families who say they would NEVER go to the organization and then throw away all their morals and priorities about what is right and allow their child to be part of such an organization. The excuse of "it is what the kid wants" is so shallow - you are the adult and you are paying $ for an experience you trashed for years as against what your family belief system is. All for a sport?!? Same goes for the holdback parents who flipped on the issue when confronted with a a choice that their son needed to play younger kids to look better. Sad state of affairs of a commentary on their integrity.

They are playing lacrosse. Not leaving the country to join ISIS. Yeesh. Going against your family belief system? How about the kids play where they want because they have fun. God forbid.

How can it be fun when many of the players and parents know they are cheating and gaming the system by re classing??? Oh, I know, fat crab daddy said it is ok and the right thing to do. Now that is disgusting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What real parent would be envious of a family that lets their kid play for the crabs? Everyone involved with competitive youth lacrosse knows what a complete arse their owner is as well as his holdback scheme. Age based classification with put an end to the Crabs perceived dominance. House of cards...

Who said anything about being envious? No one cares. No parent should have anything to say really, because I guarantee that if you are in MD, there are holdback kids on your kid's team.

Age based lacrosse is a thing of the past and never coming back. Regardless of what USL tries to tell you and no matter how much the coaches pretend to want to change early recruiting. It's not happening.

Is your kid 8 and your new to club lacrosse or are you ignoring the fact that Crabs was actually more successful when things were age based?

We will see about the age never coming back to youth lacrosse. If NCAA changes recruiting to Jr HS next year. Who will care about 16 year or even more likely 15 year old children beating up on 14 year old children. No reason as there will be ZERO recruiting going on in children heading to 9th grade.

The 9th thru 12 HS teams will be a better place to recuit. By that time many kids have hit puberty. Still some advantage to being older but no where like when children were prepuberty..

Now Crabs and maybe a couple more will want it to stay as will the Holdback parents.Hopefully the rest of parents in Maryland wont . LI will be age like always..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im convinced the holdback comments are created and posted by "bots" .. Way to pathetic and consistent for it to be a just an envious parent.

Doubt it. The only really pathetic thing is the Crabs program, how it operates and how the parents/fans of Crabs feel they are superior, which everyone knows they aren't.
If for one minute you think other parents are envious of Crabs, you are really dreaming and clearly misinformed. So, see, I do not think this response would be a "bot". Also don't think the response is coming from Ryan M either. Lastly, it is "too pathetic" not "to pathetic". See, a bot couldn't do that.

What really is surprising and sad is the families who say they would NEVER go to the organization and then throw away all their morals and priorities about what is right and allow their child to be part of such an organization. The excuse of "it is what the kid wants" is so shallow - you are the adult and you are paying $ for an experience you trashed for years as against what your family belief system is. All for a sport?!? Same goes for the holdback parents who flipped on the issue when confronted with a a choice that their son needed to play younger kids to look better. Sad state of affairs of a commentary on their integrity.

They are playing lacrosse. Not leaving the country to join ISIS. Yeesh. Going against your family belief system? How about the kids play where they want because they have fun. God forbid.

How can it be fun when many of the players and parents know they are cheating and gaming the system by re classing??? Oh, I know, fat crab daddy said it is ok and the right thing to do. Now that is disgusting.

Because none of the kids give a crap if the kids on the other team are 8 months older than they are. Only loser parents like the one's on here do. The kids play and have fun. When the game is over they talk crap to each other in fun and go back to being friends. It's the adults that ruin the sport and make a big deal of it. My on age son didn't like losing to Crabs so he worked hard and joined them. His choice. He loves his teammates. They are his friends and many are his classmates. Isn't that what youth sport is about? Not winning a stupid t-shirt or medal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What real parent would be envious of a family that lets their kid play for the crabs? Everyone involved with competitive youth lacrosse knows what a complete arse their owner is as well as his holdback scheme. Age based classification with put an end to the Crabs perceived dominance. House of cards...

Who said anything about being envious? No one cares. No parent should have anything to say really, because I guarantee that if you are in MD, there are holdback kids on your kid's team.

Age based lacrosse is a thing of the past and never coming back. Regardless of what USL tries to tell you and no matter how much the coaches pretend to want to change early recruiting. It's not happening.

Is your kid 8 and your new to club lacrosse or are you ignoring the fact that Crabs was actually more successful when things were age based?

We will see about the age never coming back to youth lacrosse. If NCAA changes recruiting to Jr HS next year. Who will care about 16 year or even more likely 15 year old children beating up on 14 year old children. No reason as there will be ZERO recruiting going on in children heading to 9th grade.

The 9th thru 12 HS teams will be a better place to recuit. By that time many kids have hit puberty. Still some advantage to being older but no where like when children were prepuberty..

Now Crabs and maybe a couple more will want it to stay as will the Holdback parents.Hopefully the rest of parents in Maryland wont . LI will be age like always..

I can assure you that the recruiting rules aren't changing. It's all lip service.

"LI will be age like always.."

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Actually it was LI that brought grade based teams to youth lacrosse. ALL Md and Va clubs (including Crabs) were age based until about 2012 when LI teams like came to rec tournaments like lax splash with grade based clubs teams and destroyed everyone. Also all tournaments in md were age. I realize that those team were of proper age but it opened the door for the club directors here to change to grade. Then the club leagues went grade as did the tournaments. The only way to reverse this is for NY teams to go back to age. Then only play in tournaments that go by age. Because there are so many more LI teams that travel to PA and MD for tournaments the tournament directors would change to age in a heart beat if they lost that business. Grade hurts NY teams because of the dec school cutoff. Not sure why they started doing this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im convinced the holdback comments are created and posted by "bots" .. Way to pathetic and consistent for it to be a just an envious parent.

Doubt it. The only really pathetic thing is the Crabs program, how it operates and how the parents/fans of Crabs feel they are superior, which everyone knows they aren't.
If for one minute you think other parents are envious of Crabs, you are really dreaming and clearly misinformed. So, see, I do not think this response would be a "bot". Also don't think the response is coming from Ryan M either. Lastly, it is "too pathetic" not "to pathetic". See, a bot couldn't do that.

What really is surprising and sad is the families who say they would NEVER go to the organization and then throw away all their morals and priorities about what is right and allow their child to be part of such an organization. The excuse of "it is what the kid wants" is so shallow - you are the adult and you are paying $ for an experience you trashed for years as against what your family belief system is. All for a sport?!? Same goes for the holdback parents who flipped on the issue when confronted with a a choice that their son needed to play younger kids to look better. Sad state of affairs of a commentary on their integrity.

They are playing lacrosse. Not leaving the country to join ISIS. Yeesh. Going against your family belief system? How about the kids play where they want because they have fun. God forbid.

How can it be fun when many of the players and parents know they are cheating and gaming the system by re classing??? Oh, I know, fat crab daddy said it is ok and the right thing to do. Now that is disgusting.

Because none of the kids give a crap if the kids on the other team are 8 months older than they are. Only loser parents like the one's on here do. The kids play and have fun. When the game is over they talk crap to each other in fun and go back to being friends. It's the adults that ruin the sport and make a big deal of it. My on age son didn't like losing to Crabs so he worked hard and joined them. His choice. He loves his teammates. They are his friends and many are his classmates. Isn't that what youth sport is about? Not winning a stupid t-shirt or medal.

The kids do care and actually laugh at the hold backs and understand how sad it is that they have to repeat a grade and beat up younger kids. Do not fool yourself into thinking otherwise or rationalizing that it is only the adults.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im convinced the holdback comments are created and posted by "bots" .. Way to pathetic and consistent for it to be a just an envious parent.

Doubt it. The only really pathetic thing is the Crabs program, how it operates and how the parents/fans of Crabs feel they are superior, which everyone knows they aren't.
If for one minute you think other parents are envious of Crabs, you are really dreaming and clearly misinformed. So, see, I do not think this response would be a "bot". Also don't think the response is coming from Ryan M either. Lastly, it is "too pathetic" not "to pathetic". See, a bot couldn't do that.

What really is surprising and sad is the families who say they would NEVER go to the organization and then throw away all their morals and priorities about what is right and allow their child to be part of such an organization. The excuse of "it is what the kid wants" is so shallow - you are the adult and you are paying $ for an experience you trashed for years as against what your family belief system is. All for a sport?!? Same goes for the holdback parents who flipped on the issue when confronted with a a choice that their son needed to play younger kids to look better. Sad state of affairs of a commentary on their integrity.

They are playing lacrosse. Not leaving the country to join ISIS. Yeesh. Going against your family belief system? How about the kids play where they want because they have fun. God forbid.

How can it be fun when many of the players and parents know they are cheating and gaming the system by re classing??? Oh, I know, fat crab daddy said it is ok and the right thing to do. Now that is disgusting.

Because none of the kids give a crap if the kids on the other team are 8 months older than they are. Only loser parents like the one's on here do. The kids play and have fun. When the game is over they talk crap to each other in fun and go back to being friends. It's the adults that ruin the sport and make a big deal of it. My on age son didn't like losing to Crabs so he worked hard and joined them. His choice. He loves his teammates. They are his friends and many are his classmates. Isn't that what youth sport is about? Not winning a stupid t-shirt or medal.

You can tell that if your son's classmates are holdbacks/prefirst then you are a MIAA school parent who has bought in to the whole prefirst thing. Of course they are his friends since they are in his grade. While that is great for your son as MIAA middle school teams and HS teams with similar holdbacks play each other.
But the rest of MD public schools and lacrosse players dont have this made up grade nor do many public schools have anywhere near the amount of holdbcaks/prefisrt in their classes.
So no one cared when it was a MIAA thing. Now you want the majority of the lacrosse players in MD to let your prefist /holdbacks get a special advantage. Is there some reason that every same age cant get this special advantage only private schools get kids get ?? Didnt know that youth sports carved out special exceptions for kids unless they had some handicap?? Holding back doesnt seem like a Handicap??

So what happened that there was such a low turnout for Crabs 9th grade team and are all the players that moved to FCA attending Calvert Hall or UNC in the fall? The kids that showed up did not seem as strong as the kids that left and not the usual crabs level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happened that there was such a low turnout for Crabs 9th grade team and are all the players that moved to FCA attending Calvert Hall or UNC in the fall? The kids that showed up did not seem as strong as the kids that left and not the usual crabs level.

No they all went to the 2021 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happened that there was such a low turnout for Crabs 9th grade team and are all the players that moved to FCA attending Calvert Hall or UNC in the fall? The kids that showed up did not seem as strong as the kids that left and not the usual crabs level.

The Crabs brand is taking a hit. Too many other options. Same thing has happened to Skywalkers on the girls side. When they were the top dog, they could yell and scream at the girls all they wanted.

Low turnout at 2020 for Crabs. Less than 30 kids at 2022. 15 kids at 2024. People have realized that you don't have to subject your kid to RM and the lack of real coaches when you can put your kid at FCA with real coaches that really played the game and no how to coach it. How many Crabs coaches played the game at a high level for iconic College coaches and thus learned how to coach? I only know of one that is currently a Crabs head coach. Guess that's why FCA gets 80-90 kids to tryouts and Crabs gets 30.

My 2022 son has been to 2 club tryouts....his current and the Hawks and both had 4-5 Crabs helmets at each

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2022 son has been to 2 club tryouts....his current and the Hawks and both had 4-5 Crabs helmets at each

Miss the FCA tryouts? I heard lots of Crabs made the move already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happened that there was such a low turnout for Crabs 9th grade team and are all the players that moved to FCA attending Calvert Hall or UNC in the fall? The kids that showed up did not seem as strong as the kids that left and not the usual crabs level.

The Crabs brand is taking a hit. Too many other options. Same thing has happened to Skywalkers on the girls side. When they were the top dog, they could yell and scream at the girls all they wanted.

Low turnout at 2020 for Crabs. Less than 30 kids at 2022. 15 kids at 2024. People have realized that you don't have to subject your kid to RM and the lack of real coaches when you can put your kid at FCA with real coaches that really played the game and no how to coach it. How many Crabs coaches played the game at a high level for iconic College coaches and thus learned how to coach? I only know of one that is currently a Crabs head coach. Guess that's why FCA gets 80-90 kids to tryouts and Crabs gets 30.

Or it could be that FCA has A, B, and C teams to accommodate those 90 paying kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happened that there was such a low turnout for Crabs 9th grade team and are all the players that moved to FCA attending Calvert Hall or UNC in the fall? The kids that showed up did not seem as strong as the kids that left and not the usual crabs level.

The Crabs brand is taking a hit. Too many other options. Same thing has happened to Skywalkers on the girls side. When they were the top dog, they could yell and scream at the girls all they wanted.

Low turnout at 2020 for Crabs. Less than 30 kids at 2022. 15 kids at 2024. People have realized that you don't have to subject your kid to RM and the lack of real coaches when you can put your kid at FCA with real coaches that really played the game and no how to coach it. How many Crabs coaches played the game at a high level for iconic College coaches and thus learned how to coach? I only know of one that is currently a Crabs head coach. Guess that's why FCA gets 80-90 kids to tryouts and Crabs gets 30.

Or it could be that FCA has A, B, and C teams to accommodate those 90 paying kids.

That would explain things if true.

Please stop feeding the narrative that Crabs is some elite team/program. Their owner never played the game and his coaching and behavior on sideline are suspect at best. They were good when there was no competition - those days are over. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there is little demand for their snake oil. Hmm... play for Kelly, Hogan, Million or play for a morbidly obese loud mouth. Easy decision.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what happened that there was such a low turnout for Crabs 9th grade team and are all the players that moved to FCA attending Calvert Hall or UNC in the fall? The kids that showed up did not seem as strong as the kids that left and not the usual crabs level.

The Crabs brand is taking a hit. Too many other options. Same thing has happened to Skywalkers on the girls side. When they were the top dog, they could yell and scream at the girls all they wanted.

Low turnout at 2020 for Crabs. Less than 30 kids at 2022. 15 kids at 2024. People have realized that you don't have to subject your kid to RM and the lack of real coaches when you can put your kid at FCA with real coaches that really played the game and no how to coach it. How many Crabs coaches played the game at a high level for iconic College coaches and thus learned how to coach? I only know of one that is currently a Crabs head coach. Guess that's why FCA gets 80-90 kids to tryouts and Crabs gets 30.

Or it could be that FCA has A, B, and C teams to accommodate those 90 paying kids.

That would explain things if true.

Also if they go to CH they have no choice but to join FCA if they ever want to play in high school. That accounts for some of the numbers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop feeding the narrative that Crabs is some elite team/program. Their owner never played the game and his coaching and behavior on sideline are suspect at best. They were good when there was no competition - those days are over. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there is little demand for their snake oil. Hmm... play for Kelly, Hogan, Million or play for a morbidly obese loud mouth. Easy decision.

You got to come up with something better than that. Mike Daly played zero lacrosse. Look what he did at Tufts. Now Brown? Their putting kids in school, and yes they have a ton of holdbacks that really only matters in 7th,8th, grade. Kids catch up by then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop feeding the narrative that Crabs is some elite team/program. Their owner never played the game and his coaching and behavior on sideline are suspect at best. They were good when there was no competition - those days are over. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there is little demand for their snake oil. Hmm... play for Kelly, Hogan, Million or play for a morbidly obese loud mouth. Easy decision.

You got to come up with something better than that. Mike Daly played zero lacrosse. Look what he did at Tufts. Now Brown? Their putting kids in school, and yes they have a ton of holdbacks that really only matters in 7th,8th, grade. Kids catch up by then.

Actually the holdbacks will still benefit the teams of FCA, Looneys and Crabs through high school. Many kids do not reach their full size through a growth spurt until late high school. Only reason it does not matter when playing for your high school is that many of these kids will play varsity so they will play older kids willingly - and not all the the varsity teams have all players who hit their full size yet. It makes a difference in club still because these teams FCA, Looneys and Crabs have created full teams of holdbacks who play against predominantly younger stronger teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop feeding the narrative that Crabs is some elite team/program. Their owner never played the game and his coaching and behavior on sideline are suspect at best. They were good when there was no competition - those days are over. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there is little demand for their snake oil. Hmm... play for Kelly, Hogan, Million or play for a morbidly obese loud mouth. Easy decision.

You got to come up with something better than that. Mike Daly played zero lacrosse. Look what he did at Tufts. Now Brown? Their putting kids in school, and yes they have a ton of holdbacks that really only matters in 7th,8th, grade. Kids catch up by then.

Actually the holdbacks will still benefit the teams of FCA, Looneys and Crabs through high school. Many kids do not reach their full size through a growth spurt until late high school. Only reason it does not matter when playing for your high school is that many of these kids will play varsity so they will play older kids willingly - and not all the the varsity teams have all players who hit their full size yet. It makes a difference in club still because these teams FCA, Looneys and Crabs have created full teams of holdbacks who play against predominantly younger stronger teams.

Can't put Looney's in the same group with Crabs and FCA. Looney's has about four holdbacks, all just one year older, and they have no double holdbacks. Crabs, on the other hand, this past spring/summer, their 2020 team was made up of mostly all holdbacks with a few double holdbacks. What they will look like this fall remains to be seen as many of their holdbacks/double holdbacks seems to be moving to FCA.
If that is the case, FCA will now take the lead in the number of holdbacks/double holdbacks and will most likely have to change their name to Fellowship of Cheating Athletes, which will be more befitting their 2020 team. If you think this is a Christian organization you will be totally wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop feeding the narrative that Crabs is some elite team/program. Their owner never played the game and his coaching and behavior on sideline are suspect at best. They were good when there was no competition - those days are over. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there is little demand for their snake oil. Hmm... play for Kelly, Hogan, Million or play for a morbidly obese loud mouth. Easy decision.

You got to come up with something better than that. Mike Daly played zero lacrosse. Look what he did at Tufts. Now Brown? Their putting kids in school, and yes they have a ton of holdbacks that really only matters in 7th,8th, grade. Kids catch up by then.

Actually the holdbacks will still benefit the teams of FCA, Looneys and Crabs through high school. Many kids do not reach their full size through a growth spurt until late high school. Only reason it does not matter when playing for your high school is that many of these kids will play varsity so they will play older kids willingly - and not all the the varsity teams have all players who hit their full size yet. It makes a difference in club still because these teams FCA, Looneys and Crabs have created full teams of holdbacks who play against predominantly younger stronger teams.

Can't put Looney's in the same group with Crabs and FCA. Looney's has about four holdbacks, all just one year older, and they have no double holdbacks. Crabs, on the other hand, this past spring/summer, their 2020 team was made up of mostly all holdbacks with a few double holdbacks. What they will look like this fall remains to be seen as many of their holdbacks/double holdbacks seems to be moving to FCA.
If that is the case, FCA will now take the lead in the number of holdbacks/double holdbacks and will most likely have to change their name to Fellowship of Cheating Athletes, which will be more befitting their 2020 team. If you think this is a Christian organization you will be totally wrong.

I missed the commandment that said Thou Shall Not Hold Thy Child Back. Not sure what it has to do with being a Christian organization

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop feeding the narrative that Crabs is some elite team/program. Their owner never played the game and his coaching and behavior on sideline are suspect at best. They were good when there was no competition - those days are over. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there is little demand for their snake oil. Hmm... play for Kelly, Hogan, Million or play for a morbidly obese loud mouth. Easy decision.

You got to come up with something better than that. Mike Daly played zero lacrosse. Look what he did at Tufts. Now Brown? Their putting kids in school, and yes they have a ton of holdbacks that really only matters in 7th,8th, grade. Kids catch up by then.

Actually the holdbacks will still benefit the teams of FCA, Looneys and Crabs through high school. Many kids do not reach their full size through a growth spurt until late high school. Only reason it does not matter when playing for your high school is that many of these kids will play varsity so they will play older kids willingly - and not all the the varsity teams have all players who hit their full size yet. It makes a difference in club still because these teams FCA, Looneys and Crabs have created full teams of holdbacks who play against predominantly younger stronger teams.

Can't put Looney's in the same group with Crabs and FCA. Looney's has about four holdbacks, all just one year older, and they have no double holdbacks. Crabs, on the other hand, this past spring/summer, their 2020 team was made up of mostly all holdbacks with a few double holdbacks. What they will look like this fall remains to be seen as many of their holdbacks/double holdbacks seems to be moving to FCA.
If that is the case, FCA will now take the lead in the number of holdbacks/double holdbacks and will most likely have to change their name to Fellowship of Cheating Athletes, which will be more befitting their 2020 team. If you think this is a Christian organization you will be totally wrong.

Only four? Don't know whether to laugh or not as to whether you think that is okay or that you think that is all you have. The way Looneys treats their bench players and the disrespect for other teams puts them right into the same category oh righteous one.

Mike Daly was a two sport athelete at Brown. RM is two time eating champion at Golden Corral. Apples to oranges.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop feeding the narrative that Crabs is some elite team/program. Their owner never played the game and his coaching and behavior on sideline are suspect at best. They were good when there was no competition - those days are over. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there is little demand for their snake oil. Hmm... play for Kelly, Hogan, Million or play for a morbidly obese loud mouth. Easy decision.

You got to come up with something better than that. Mike Daly played zero lacrosse. Look what he did at Tufts. Now Brown? Their putting kids in school, and yes they have a ton of holdbacks that really only matters in 7th,8th, grade. Kids catch up by then.

Actually the holdbacks will still benefit the teams of FCA, Looneys and Crabs through high school. Many kids do not reach their full size through a growth spurt until late high school. Only reason it does not matter when playing for your high school is that many of these kids will play varsity so they will play older kids willingly - and not all the the varsity teams have all players who hit their full size yet. It makes a difference in club still because these teams FCA, Looneys and Crabs have created full teams of holdbacks who play against predominantly younger stronger teams.

Can't put Looney's in the same group with Crabs and FCA. Looney's has about four holdbacks, all just one year older, and they have no double holdbacks. Crabs, on the other hand, this past spring/summer, their 2020 team was made up of mostly all holdbacks with a few double holdbacks. What they will look like this fall remains to be seen as many of their holdbacks/double holdbacks seems to be moving to FCA.
If that is the case, FCA will now take the lead in the number of holdbacks/double holdbacks and will most likely have to change their name to Fellowship of Cheating Athletes, which will be more befitting their 2020 team. If you think this is a Christian organization you will be totally wrong.

Only four? Don't know whether to laugh or not as to whether you think that is okay or that you think that is all you have. The way Looneys treats their bench players and the disrespect for other teams puts them right into the same category oh righteous one.

Sorry satin boy, you are completely wrong on all of your misinformed points. But keep on posting your stupid sh*t, we all enjoy a good laugh on a rainy day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop feeding the narrative that Crabs is some elite team/program. Their owner never played the game and his coaching and behavior on sideline are suspect at best. They were good when there was no competition - those days are over. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there is little demand for their snake oil. Hmm... play for Kelly, Hogan, Million or play for a morbidly obese loud mouth. Easy decision.

You got to come up with something better than that. Mike Daly played zero lacrosse. Look what he did at Tufts. Now Brown? Their putting kids in school, and yes they have a ton of holdbacks that really only matters in 7th,8th, grade. Kids catch up by then.

Actually the holdbacks will still benefit the teams of FCA, Looneys and Crabs through high school. Many kids do not reach their full size through a growth spurt until late high school. Only reason it does not matter when playing for your high school is that many of these kids will play varsity so they will play older kids willingly - and not all the the varsity teams have all players who hit their full size yet. It makes a difference in club still because these teams FCA, Looneys and Crabs have created full teams of holdbacks who play against predominantly younger stronger teams.

Can't put Looney's in the same group with Crabs and FCA. Looney's has about four holdbacks, all just one year older, and they have no double holdbacks. Crabs, on the other hand, this past spring/summer, their 2020 team was made up of mostly all holdbacks with a few double holdbacks. What they will look like this fall remains to be seen as many of their holdbacks/double holdbacks seems to be moving to FCA.
If that is the case, FCA will now take the lead in the number of holdbacks/double holdbacks and will most likely have to change their name to Fellowship of Cheating Athletes, which will be more befitting their 2020 team. If you think this is a Christian organization you will be totally wrong.

I missed the commandment that said Thou Shall Not Hold Thy Child Back. Not sure what it has to do with being a Christian organization

Then you are just too dense to figure it out. Guess we should feel sorry for you, but no one does.

How was the turnout at crabs 2020 tryouts today?

It was thinly attended. Most of the kids had drivers ed. Lil baby Ty Ty Xanders was there - tweeted that the Crabs are gonna be loaded this year. Fat Crab sat in box truck during the rain so his pork rinds didn't get wet.

Please explain how holding back a child is unethically and if a family makes that personal decision that an organization like FCA should be held responsible? Should FCA just cut those kids and let them play for the Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please explain how holding back a child is unethically and if a family makes that personal decision that an organization like FCA should be held responsible? Should FCA just cut those kids and let them play for the Crabs?

Most likely the only thing FCA 2020 is going to regret is bringing over the holdback middie from Crabs, the one that went to BL for 8th grade, going to CH for 8th and committed to UNC. Because with this player comes his obnoxious loud mouth father. He was not very well liked or respected by other Crab parents and it will be the same with the FCA 2020 parents.
Hope Kelly has the courage to handle this father, because he is a real piece of work.

It's unethical when an 8th grade team (Crabs) has kids in their line up that are 16 years old. Someone with some sense of decency might say - you are too old to be playing against 13 year olds - you can play for my club - but you are playing up. I know - it won't happen....

Lol 13 vs 16. Few more post and we you will 12 vs 17. You people are pathetic. The little league World Series announcer opened up Saturday's broadcast by saying "we have a talented range of athletes from 10-13years old, with May 1, 2016 as the cutoff. With that said . A 12 yr old 5'11 152lb pitcher from Italy walked on to the mound to face a 4'11 85lb Player from Mexico. Did the families of the Mexican players complain the entire 20 hr drive from their home country about how unfair it is... Nooooo. Their boys can play and lit the kid up for 12 runs!! Did phelps or any other 15-16 yr old Olympian athlete (or their parents) whine about how unfair it's is that they have to compete against 23 yr olds? Nooooo. Again, you are all pathetic. We all know if our kid "has it" or not and competing against a handful of older kids which happens in EVERY sport shouldnt matter one bit. Signed a parent of 2 on age players..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol 13 vs 16. Few more post and we you will 12 vs 17. You people are pathetic. The little league World Series announcer opened up Saturday's broadcast by saying "we have a talented range of athletes from 10-13years old, with May 1, 2016 as the cutoff. With that said . A 12 yr old 5'11 152lb pitcher from Italy walked on to the mound to face a 4'11 85lb Player from Mexico. Did the families of the Mexican players complain the entire 20 hr drive from their home country about how unfair it is... Nooooo. Their boys can play and lit the kid up for 12 runs!! Did phelps or any other 15-16 yr old Olympian athlete (or their parents) whine about how unfair it's is that they have to compete against 23 yr olds? Nooooo. Again, you are all pathetic. We all know if our kid "has it" or not and competing against a handful of older kids which happens in EVERY sport shouldnt matter one bit. Signed a parent of 2 on age players..

Neither of those sports are contact sports which is what bothers people -not who wins and loses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please explain how holding back a child is unethically and if a family makes that personal decision that an organization like FCA should be held responsible? Should FCA just cut those kids and let them play for the Crabs?

Most likely the only thing FCA 2020 is going to regret is bringing over the holdback middie from Crabs, the one that went to BL for 8th grade, going to CH for 8th and committed to UNC. Because with this player comes his obnoxious loud mouth father. He was not very well liked or respected by other Crab parents and it will be the same with the FCA 2020 parents.
Hope Kelly has the courage to handle this father, because he is a real piece of work.

Well he better at least get used to him because they are together for four years of high school and college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was thinly attended. Most of the kids had drivers ed. Lil baby Ty Ty Xanders was there - tweeted that the Crabs are gonna be loaded this year. Fat Crab sat in box truck during the rain so his pork rinds didn't get wet.

Lil Baby and Fat crab..sounds like a rap couple in Love!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the turnout at crabs 2020 tryouts today?

They already made their real roster offers before today and it was just the tiebreaker between a few backup players who won't see the field much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol 13 vs 16. Few more post and we you will 12 vs 17. You people are pathetic. The little league World Series announcer opened up Saturday's broadcast by saying "we have a talented range of athletes from 10-13years old, with May 1, 2016 as the cutoff. With that said . A 12 yr old 5'11 152lb pitcher from Italy walked on to the mound to face a 4'11 85lb Player from Mexico. Did the families of the Mexican players complain the entire 20 hr drive from their home country about how unfair it is... Nooooo. Their boys can play and lit the kid up for 12 runs!! Did phelps or any other 15-16 yr old Olympian athlete (or their parents) whine about how unfair it's is that they have to compete against 23 yr olds? Nooooo. Again, you are all pathetic. We all know if our kid "has it" or not and competing against a handful of older kids which happens in EVERY sport shouldnt matter one bit. Signed a parent of 2 on age players..

Not you again! The holdback apologist who masquerades as a " 2 on age players dad" . We already have proven that you are a holdback parent from another thread, Just sign on as a holdback apologist and parent and tell us your reasons..no need to lie..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol 13 vs 16. Few more post and we you will 12 vs 17. You people are pathetic. The little league World Series announcer opened up Saturday's broadcast by saying "we have a talented range of athletes from 10-13years old, with May 1, 2016 as the cutoff. With that said . A 12 yr old 5'11 152lb pitcher from Italy walked on to the mound to face a 4'11 85lb Player from Mexico. Did the families of the Mexican players complain the entire 20 hr drive from their home country about how unfair it is... Nooooo. Their boys can play and lit the kid up for 12 runs!! Did phelps or any other 15-16 yr old Olympian athlete (or their parents) whine about how unfair it's is that they have to compete against 23 yr olds? Nooooo. Again, you are all pathetic. We all know if our kid "has it" or not and competing against a handful of
older kids which happens in EVERY sport shouldnt matter one bit. Signed a parent of 2 on age players..

Ok, so let me get this straight. You are comparing families that would like to see their son play with kids their own age in lacrosse to the greatest Olympic athlete ever? It's the Olympics, if your one of the best in the world you make the team regardless of age! From your post I guess your kids don't "have it" since they have to play down. Clown.

Crabs had a kid on the field during HOCO that was born in March of 2000. That made him 16 years old. He will be 20 when he graduates. Two kids on my sons 2020 elite team turned 14 in July and August. 28 month difference in age in a contact sport? That is beyond reasonable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please explain how holding back a child is unethically and if a family makes that personal decision that an organization like FCA should be held responsible? Should FCA just cut those kids and let them play for the Crabs?

Most likely the only thing FCA 2020 is going to regret is bringing over the holdback middie from Crabs, the one that went to BL for 8th grade, going to CH for 8th and committed to UNC. Because with this player comes his obnoxious loud mouth father. He was not very well liked or respected by other Crab parents and it will be the same with the FCA 2020 parents.
Hope Kelly has the courage to handle this father, because he is a real piece of work.

Well he better at least get used to him because they are together for four years of high school and college.

Get rid of one problem parent and add a problem child to your roster. Looking forward to seeing how crabs deals with all the egos on the team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol 13 vs 16. Few more post and we you will 12 vs 17. You people are pathetic. The little league World Series announcer opened up Saturday's broadcast by saying "we have a talented range of athletes from 10-13years old, with May 1, 2016 as the cutoff. With that said . A 12 yr old 5'11 152lb pitcher from Italy walked on to the mound to face a 4'11 85lb Player from Mexico. Did the families of the Mexican players complain the entire 20 hr drive from their home country about how unfair it is... Nooooo. Their boys can play and lit the kid up for 12 runs!! Did phelps or any other 15-16 yr old Olympian athlete (or their parents) whine about how unfair it's is that they have to compete against 23 yr olds? Nooooo. Again, you are all pathetic. We all know if our kid "has it" or not and competing against a handful of
older kids which happens in EVERY sport shouldnt matter one bit. Signed a parent of 2 on age players..

Ok, so let me get this straight. You are comparing families that would like to see their son play with kids their own age in lacrosse to the greatest Olympic athlete ever? It's the Olympics, if your one of the best in the world you make the team regardless of age! From your post I guess your kids don't "have it" since they have to play down. Clown.

Are you seriously comparing baseball and swimming, both non-contact sports to lacrosse? There is a clown in the house for sure, but it isn't the original poster. I feel bad for kids whose parents hold them back for sports. Seriously, what message are you sending? Your aren't good enough to play against kids your own age, so let's hold you back so you can go beat up on younger kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol 13 vs 16. Few more post and we you will 12 vs 17. You people are pathetic. The little league World Series announcer opened up Saturday's broadcast by saying "we have a talented range of athletes from 10-13years old, with May 1, 2016 as the cutoff. With that said . A 12 yr old 5'11 152lb pitcher from Italy walked on to the mound to face a 4'11 85lb Player from Mexico. Did the families of the Mexican players complain the entire 20 hr drive from their home country about how unfair it is... Nooooo. Their boys can play and lit the kid up for 12 runs!! Did phelps or any other 15-16 yr old Olympian athlete (or their parents) whine about how unfair it's is that they have to compete against 23 yr olds? Nooooo. Again, you are all pathetic. We all know if our kid "has it" or not and competing against a handful of
older kids which happens in EVERY sport shouldnt matter one bit. Signed a parent of 2 on age players..

Ok, so let me get this straight. You are comparing families that would like to see their son play with kids their own age in lacrosse to the greatest Olympic athlete ever? It's the Olympics, if your one of the best in the world you make the team regardless of age! From your post I guess your kids don't "have it" since they have to play down. Clown.

Are you seriously comparing baseball and swimming, both non-contact sports to lacrosse? There is a clown in the house for sure, but it isn't the original poster. I feel bad for kids whose parents hold them back for sports. Seriously, what message are you sending? Your aren't good enough to play against kids your own age, so let's hold you back so you can go beat up on younger kids.

It's a lack of faith in your kid's ability. Somewhere, sometime, someone told the parents that their kid needed to reclass as they were too small, too slow... Only hope, play down a level and open some doors that won't open if they play with their peers. It's just sad, because some of those kids would be recruited 2-3 yrs down the pike if given the opportunity to grow and practice. It's just such a weak mindset that would allow a seemingly average to above average kid to be left back academically, so that the kid has an easier path to play a sport or even get a scholarship- which is very much selling out your kid. Believe in your kid, push them to practice and work hard in the classroom. If talented and smart- they will get recruited. A small kid might very well Still be small at 17. Reclassing isn't going to help. PG if the school wants, but have faith in your kid. I'm happy to see that a good bunch of the early recruits this year are age appropriate. Just goes to show that kids are capable. Many more would show that they are too if adults didn't redesign their lives but let them prove themselves.

.. Do you honeslry think being bigger, stronger and older doesn't give you an advantage in all sports including baseball, swimming. stupidly brought to a whole new level.. mixing of ages happens in all sports it's just you lacrosse parents who get their panties in a bunch. U9 Gil's soccer has 7 year olds competing with 10 year olds who have made the cut off.. Parents of the 7 year olds choose to have their talented little athlete push themselves against bigger, stronger older girls.. Until of course it's recruiting time in 8th or 9th grade and they will play soccer against players in their grade and no longer play up to get noticed and recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

.. Do you honeslry think being bigger, stronger and older doesn't give you an advantage in all sports including baseball, swimming. stupidly brought to a whole new level.. mixing of ages happens in all sports it's just you lacrosse parents who get their panties in a bunch. U9 Gil's soccer has 7 year olds competing with 10 year olds who have made the cut off.. Parents of the 7 year olds choose to have their talented little athlete push themselves against bigger, stronger older girls.. Until of course it's recruiting time in 8th or 9th grade and they will play soccer against players in their grade and no longer play up to get noticed and recruited.

Soccer you are ONLY allowed to play up NEVER allowed to play DOWN. Soccer has a very good player card system at the competitive level..Not like Lacrosse where it is ok to play down ..BUT Only if you are a HOLDBACK....Still have the option to play up..but that is rarely seen and Never seen by holdbacks or apologists of holdbacks.

You can say what you want about him or his club, but the fact remains he was one of the originators of club lacrosse beginning with the old Baltimore prep, then BLC etc. Had players such as the stanwicks, rabil, etc. play for his club....Fact if you play for the crabs or against the crabs the college coaches will be on the sidelines....that is undeniably something he created.

Big difference in choosing to play up because you want to be challenged, versus choosing to play down because you want to look better. One of the best quotes I have read on this forum is "play up to get better, play down to look better". Choosing to play up is a character building choice, choosing to play down is the easier path for those that can afford it or can justify it at the expense (not monetary) of others.

Great replay Well thought out and I agree. Bottom line is kids in all sports play against other kids older and younger. Not sure why it is so bothersome to some that a 15 year old summer bday kid would dare step on a field with kids who are 14 1/2. What a Travesty! Lol. I for one welcome the competition for my barely on age player..

Because its not a 15 year old kid playing a 14 1/2 year old kid. Its a kid who has been held back one or two years with the purpose of making that kid appear to be superior to his much younger opponents. 16 year old Crab/FCA "8th graders" should not be on the same field with true on age kids.

In regards to what RM created - he was first to the party with selling parents on getting their kids committed to play college lacrosse. Then he sold them on holding their kid back. I'm sorry - the youth game would be better off without money grubbers like him. Little Ty Xanders is just as guilty. How much do you think RM has paid that clown over the years to attend his events/hype his players?

Its all about the Benjamins....

All I have to say is bring on the teams with the biggest and oldest holdbacks! ! The more the merrier. This fall season is prep time for big boy varsity High School Lacrosse in the spring...Let's go!!!! All pumped up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great replay Well thought out and I agree. Bottom line is kids in all sports play against other kids older and younger. Not sure why it is so bothersome to some that a 15 year old summer bday kid would dare step on a field with kids who are 14 1/2. What a Travesty! Lol. I for one welcome the competition for my barely on age player..

Well when those kids take the spots of on age kids is the point. We can live with our son being beaten out by another 14 year old but when a kid is cheating its wrong call me a cry baby all day I am fine with that.

well let me know what his high school coach has to say about that. The problem is the helicopter parents are always jumping in making excuses for their children...how about you tell your kid to hit the wall, hit the weight room, train to get faster etc...then you wont need to jump to their rescue, they will stand out on their own regardless of the age gap. Its all about getting better and being able to take the next step whether its high school or college....And keep in mind they may wind up working for someone who is older or younger then they are....you going to tell their boss that he was a hold back....

Well if someone has 18 months more of wall work or weight room work it could help them a little. I tell my son to suck it up and work harder to get a spot. But if the question is asked I am not a little punk and I will say something is wrong. I agree when a kid hits 8th grade team or higher go ahead and let them play with the correct grad year this is more then fine. Its when you have 7th grade or younger teams with reclass kids on them is the first big issue. I understand the colleges want to know the correct year the kid leaves high school. But at least not yet they are not looking at 7th grade or younger teams.

Would disagree...unfortunately at the present time, coaches are looking at 6, 7, 8 grade teams and tracking the players. Yes it stinks and is very unfortunate but tournaments realize good clubs attract good college coaches and good college coaches attract teams to the tournaments, and the parents all want their kids at those tournament regardless of the cost....imagine how much time & money you could spend on tutors that you know will have a much better reward.....More money is given out for the academics by far then any lacrosse scholarships... I guess we should be saying Jonnie was held back so he had an unfair advantage because he already took that course and new the answers

Well it is the same point when dealing with academics if a child is repeating a grade and they where not behind or struggling in this grade this would also be a unfair advantage to the other kids. What would be said about a child repeating a grade to increase there chance at being #1 in there class? We all know that some schools are taken off the table the second your child gets a B in high school. would everyone be fine with a kid reclassing to get that B up to a A.

Yes if that's a decision that the child and his/her family make because its best for the family....Happens all the time in college...Student gets a C in one of their course major classes and the student re-takes the class to get a better grade. Or student decides to take a biology course during the summer at a Community college because its easier, is that unfair??
People need to let this all go and remember when they graduate not one person asks them "were you a hold back"...They look at their transcript and their extra circular activities and maybe just maybe one of their coaches offers up a recommendation for them and they got a decent job. Isn't that what this whole journey is about...people need to forget about all the other nonsense. All the accolades I received when I played and not one person...no one gives a Sh_t....quite living through your kids life and let them define themselves.

College coaches are not looking at 6th or 7th grader. They don't look at anybody until spring/summer 8th grade going into 9th grade. That is a fact.

So is this a argument to not hold your kid back or a argument to just let the kids cheat and live your own life?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well it is the same point when dealing with academics if a child is repeating a grade and they where not behind or struggling in this grade this would also be a unfair advantage to the other kids. What would be said about a child repeating a grade to increase there chance at being #1 in there class? We all know that some schools are taken off the table the second your child gets a B in high school. would everyone be fine with a kid reclassing to get that B up to a A.

Sounds the same but it's not.

1. He's not putting other students at risk of physical injury because of his over developed brain.
2. If you retake the class you still need to do the work to get the grade. that grade is based on your performance alone, not your relative performance in relation to the other students. When you reclass on the field the work gets a lot easier because the competition is smaller, slower, weaker.
3. If repeating a grade improves ability to distinguish "there" from "their" and "where" from "were" then you should have done that.

College coaches are looking at 8th graders. They are not looking at 6th and 7th graders. So when the kid they are watching play an 8th lacrosse game should actually be in 9th or 10th grade - of course he is going to stand out. He is physically and mentally more mature. The laughable thing about this holdback scheme is that in many cases the on age kids are more that holding their own against these man children. What does little Johnny do when he is a double holdback and getting beaten by a younger kid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well let me know what his high school coach has to say about that. The problem is the helicopter parents are always jumping in making excuses for their children...how about you tell your kid to hit the wall, hit the weight room, train to get faster etc...then you wont need to jump to their rescue, they will stand out on their own regardless of the age gap. Its all about getting better and being able to take the next step whether its high school or college....And keep in mind they may wind up working for someone who is older or younger then they are....you going to tell their boss that he was a hold back....

No one is talking about High School coaches and you know it. We are talking about YOUTH lacrosse.
What a bunch of strawmen you got in just one long paragraph..
High School Coach,Helicopter parents, Older Boss, LOL!!.....

All in the name of giving your select heldback children a advantage others do not get at same age. Since it is hit the wall,weight room,etc for these kids that are ON AGE according to you....why doesnt that same advice go to you holdbacks and your children?? Are the holdbacks not tough enough to go on age or heaven forbid..play up!! I guess you go by the motta..Do as I say..Not as I DO!! Hilarious what you holdback apologists come up with as excuses and advice to parents who actually go by the proper age in YOUTH Lacrosse..

No excuses, no regrets and no shame. . And we couldn't' possibly be happier with our decision to holdback our 2019 Johny who is committed to top ivy after waiting it out for a year and ulimately turning down offers from almost all the top ten teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No excuses, no regrets and no shame. . And we couldn't' possibly be happier with our decision to holdback our 2019 Johny who is committed to top ivy after waiting it out for a year and ulimately turning down offers from almost all the top ten teams.

We know that, as we've said often here, many people are unencumbered by concerns about how their actions may impact others. Nice example to set for little Johnny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well let me know what his high school coach has to say about that. The problem is the helicopter parents are always jumping in making excuses for their children...how about you tell your kid to hit the wall, hit the weight room, train to get faster etc...then you wont need to jump to their rescue, they will stand out on their own regardless of the age gap. Its all about getting better and being able to take the next step whether its high school or college....And keep in mind they may wind up working for someone who is older or younger then they are....you going to tell their boss that he was a hold back....

No one is talking about High School coaches and you know it. We are talking about YOUTH lacrosse.
What a bunch of strawmen you got in just one long paragraph..
High School Coach,Helicopter parents, Older Boss, LOL!!.....

All in the name of giving your select heldback children a advantage others do not get at same age. Since it is hit the wall,weight room,etc for these kids that are ON AGE according to you....why doesnt that same advice go to you holdbacks and your children?? Are the holdbacks not tough enough to go on age or heaven forbid..play up!! I guess you go by the motta..Do as I say..Not as I DO!! Hilarious what you holdback apologists come up with as excuses and advice to parents who actually go by the proper age in YOUTH Lacrosse..

Funny how their answer to everyone else is always "work harder", they of course have chosen a different path...

#lifelessons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No excuses, no regrets and no shame. . And we couldn't' possibly be happier with our decision to holdback our 2019 Johny who is committed to top ivy after waiting it out for a year and ulimately turning down offers from almost all the top ten teams.

And yet you don't think he could have done the same thing without being left back? Why? A smart, talented kid can get recruited by Ivies up to senior year.

Committed to a top Ivy? What club did he play for and what Ivy school is playing for? (Crickets)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Committed to a top Ivy? What club did he play for and what Ivy school is playing for? (Crickets)

OP had to point out that it was a top Ivy as opposed to one of the bad ones...SMH.

Just more of the holdback defenders trying to make them think their actions were noble. Sad...

How many 2022 Crabs players are repeating in order to move down to 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many 2022 Crabs players are repeating in order to move down to 2023?

1 moving down.

Also a former Bethesda 2021 now on Crabs 2022

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Flint Hill coaches some with Madlax but not 2020 yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Flint Hill coaches some with Madlax but not 2020 yet.

Yes, kids all over the DMV are dying to be coached by the guy from Flint Hill. What a draw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Crabs doesn't have coaches like that. They have RM to coach their 8th graders to get them ready for HS.

Yes you're right, Crabs have RM, a total gas bag of a coach who is the perfect example of what not to be as a high school coach. I feel sorry for anyone that has to play for a coach like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Crabs doesn't have coaches like that. They have RM to coach their 8th graders to get them ready for HS.

Is this some kind of joke? Who do you think has a better track record and reputation with college recruits: the Crabs guy or the guy who coaches at a school called The Heights?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Crabs doesn't have coaches like that. They have RM to coach their 8th graders to get them ready for HS.

Is this some kind of joke? Who do you think has a better track record and reputation with college recruits: the Crabs guy or the guy who coaches at a school called The Heights?

Look at how many Crabs 2016's went to big great D1 schools you donkey...You have no freakin idea what you are talking about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Crabs doesn't have coaches like that. They have RM to coach their 8th graders to get them ready for HS.

Is this some kind of joke? Who do you think has a better track record and reputation with college recruits: the Crabs guy or the guy who coaches at a school called The Heights?

In all fairness, The Heights guy is attracting a lot of Landon boys which traditionally do well in getting recruited.

Donkey. Love that. You guys are really smart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Crabs doesn't have coaches like that. They have RM to coach their 8th graders to get them ready for HS.

Is this some kind of joke? Who do you think has a better track record and reputation with college recruits: the Crabs guy or the guy who coaches at a school called The Heights?

Look at how many Crabs 2016's went to big great D1 schools you donkey...You have no freakin idea what you are talking about

Don't for one minute think RM is a good or great coach. He isn't, never has been and never will be. He is the polar opposite of a good lax coach. As for his players getting recruited, that is slowly dwindling down each year. And when it was happening, it is not him, it is the players who are getting recruited, on their own merits.
He has nothing to do with it. Don't kid yourself. But, we need to wait for all the Crab faithful to come on here and protect the crab daddy. Holy sh*t, how pathetic.

The Next Level squad with the Heights coach is attracting many kids from several very good DC teams, like Gonzaga, GPrep, and Landon.

Looks like they will help level the playing field. Should be interesting to see them play Crabs now. Not saying that they are going to win it all, just make it more interesting.

FCA and Looneys will more than likely claim the top spots behind T91-NY, since Crabs have lost several key players this year. New roster posted and much different than last year.

Any way you look at it, it appears the Crab name is not as strong as it was. That could be good for the sport by helping more teams get and keep good players.

Even more so, the coaching on the other teams is better than Ryan M can ever hope to be. Hopefully he learns that yelling is not a replacement for teaching. Yes, coaches are supposed to provide instruction as well. Everyone has a style, but not everyone can truly teach. Maybe he should just run the Crabs organization and let others coach the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Crabs doesn't have coaches like that. They have RM to coach their 8th graders to get them ready for HS.

Is this some kind of joke? Who do you think has a better track record and reputation with college recruits: the Crabs guy or the guy who coaches at a school called The Heights?

In all fairness, The Heights guy is attracting a lot of Landon boys which traditionally do well in getting recruited.

He is getting the guys who are stuck on the Landon bench. The top players play for BW, Madlax and VLC. He has some good ones on that 2020 team, but they will be bolting soon if they haven't already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Crabs doesn't have coaches like that. They have RM to coach their 8th graders to get them ready for HS.

Is this some kind of joke? Who do you think has a better track record and reputation with college recruits: the Crabs guy or the guy who coaches at a school called The Heights?

In all fairness, The Heights guy is attracting a lot of Landon boys which traditionally do well in getting recruited.

He is getting the guys who are stuck on the Landon bench. The top players play for BW, Madlax and VLC. He has some good ones on that 2020 team, but they will be bolting soon if they haven't already.

The 2020 players didn't go anywhere - they were at tryouts last night
And there were kids there with VLC and Crabs helmets so the team is only getting better.

The 2021 team had over a dozen Landon helmets at tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Flint Hill coaches some with Madlax but not 2020 yet.

Yes, kids all over the DMV are dying to be coached by the guy from Flint Hill. What a draw.

Well it sounds like the kids all over DMV are very mis informed. The Flint Hill coach is the best mentor for any kid to follow. He coaches the team, teaches history and cares about every kid on his team as a person and student. Please try to find anyone who has ever played for or knew him that has one bad word about him. I could care less about what his record as a coach is. We all know its the club team that gets kids on to college teams. So you 2021 parents should all meet and talk to the Flint Hill coach you will not be mad you did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Next Level squad with the Heights coach is attracting many kids from several very good DC teams, like Gonzaga, GPrep, and Landon.

Looks like they will help level the playing field. Should be interesting to see them play Crabs now. Not saying that they are going to win it all, just make it more interesting.

FCA and Looneys will more than likely claim the top spots behind T91-NY, since Crabs have lost several key players this year. New roster posted and much different than last year.

Any way you look at it, it appears the Crab name is not as strong as it was. That could be good for the sport by helping more teams get and keep good players.

Even more so, the coaching on the other teams is better than Ryan M can ever hope to be. Hopefully he learns that yelling is not a replacement for teaching. Yes, coaches are supposed to provide instruction as well. Everyone has a style, but not everyone can truly teach. Maybe he should just run the Crabs organization and let others coach the teams.

That crabs roster is strong but nowhere near the past. Attackman from RR is okay but not crabs strong, kid from Koopers not near what they lost to FCA and the middie from 91 was not one of their best. Still have plenty of 2019 age kids so that will help. Only 22 on roster bodes well for play time. FCA and Looneys will be one and two without a doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't for one minute think RM is a good or great coach. He isn't, never has been and never will be. He is the polar opposite of a good lax coach. As for his players getting recruited, that is slowly dwindling down each year. And when it was happening, it is not him, it is the players who are getting recruited, on their own merits.
He has nothing to do with it. Don't kid yourself. But, we need to wait for all the Crab faithful to come on here and protect the crab daddy. Holy sh*t, how pathetic.

No idea if he's a good coach, but your statement is ridiculous.

Crabs 2016 - 19 commits
Crabs 2017 - 18 commits
Crabs 2018 - 15 commits
Crabs 2019 - 6 commits
Crabs 2020 - 3 commits

What other club can rival that? Maybe Sweetlax (but that includes guys who fly in to play in one tournament).

Sorry that FCA and Looney's doesn't compare, Dad.

It's "I couldn't care less"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Crabs doesn't have coaches like that. They have RM to coach their 8th graders to get them ready for HS.

Is this some kind of joke? Who do you think has a better track record and reputation with college recruits: the Crabs guy or the guy who coaches at a school called The Heights?

In all fairness, The Heights guy is attracting a lot of Landon boys which traditionally do well in getting recruited.

He is getting the guys who are stuck on the Landon bench. The top players play for BW, Madlax and VLC. He has some good ones on that 2020 team, but they will be bolting soon if they haven't already.

The 2020 players didn't go anywhere - they were at tryouts last night
And there were kids there with VLC and Crabs helmets so the team is only getting better.

The 2021 team had over a dozen Landon helmets at tryout

You'll see. Nobody from the Crabs is going to NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Flint Hill coaches some with Madlax but not 2020 yet.

Yes, kids all over the DMV are dying to be coached by the guy from Flint Hill. What a draw.

Well it sounds like the kids all over DMV are very mis informed. The Flint Hill coach is the best mentor for any kid to follow. He coaches the team, teaches history and cares about every kid on his team as a person and student. Please try to find anyone who has ever played for or knew him that has one bad word about him. I could care less about what his record as a coach is. We all know its the club team that gets kids on to college teams. So you 2021 parents should all meet and talk to the Flint Hill coach you will not be mad you did.

He is a super nice guy. But there is a reason why the good Flint Hill kids leave the program. They don't play at all outside of the spring and he does nothing to help them get recruited. And yes, the HS coach is usually called to get his opinion on kids.

I'm from outside area. NL is so well coached. They outplayed their talent on their roster because of those coaches. Great place to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Next Level squad with the Heights coach is attracting many kids from several very good DC teams, like Gonzaga, GPrep, and Landon.

Looks like they will help level the playing field. Should be interesting to see them play Crabs now. Not saying that they are going to win it all, just make it more interesting.

FCA and Looneys will more than likely claim the top spots behind T91-NY, since Crabs have lost several key players this year. New roster posted and much different than last year.

Any way you look at it, it appears the Crab name is not as strong as it was. That could be good for the sport by helping more teams get and keep good players.

Even more so, the coaching on the other teams is better than Ryan M can ever hope to be. Hopefully he learns that yelling is not a replacement for teaching. Yes, coaches are supposed to provide instruction as well. Everyone has a style, but not everyone can truly teach. Maybe he should just run the Crabs organization and let others coach the teams.

That crabs roster is strong but nowhere near the past. Attackman from RR is okay but not crabs strong, kid from Koopers not near what they lost to FCA and the middie from 91 was not one of their best. Still have plenty of 2019 age kids so that will help. Only 22 on roster bodes well for play time. FCA and Looneys will be one and two without a doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that a couple of the top Crabs 2020 are now playing for FCA to align with their high school coach (Calvert Hall). Could be a tough year for them. I see all the 2020 teams are now getting varsity HS coaches to help recruit, DC Express has the GP coach, FCA Calvert Hall, BW has St. Johns, NL has Heights. Looks like Madlax and Crabs may need to make some coaching changes to help recruit.

Flint Hill coaches some with Madlax but not 2020 yet.

Yes, kids all over the DMV are dying to be coached by the guy from Flint Hill. What a draw.

Well it sounds like the kids all over DMV are very mis informed. The Flint Hill coach is the best mentor for any kid to follow. He coaches the team, teaches history and cares about every kid on his team as a person and student. Please try to find anyone who has ever played for or knew him that has one bad word about him. I could care less about what his record as a coach is. We all know its the club team that gets kids on to college teams. So you 2021 parents should all meet and talk to the Flint Hill coach you will not be mad you did.

He is a super nice guy. But there is a reason why the good Flint Hill kids leave the program. They don't play at all outside of the spring and he does nothing to help them get recruited. And yes, the HS coach is usually called to get his opinion on kids.

You think he would not call or answer a phone call from a college coach. The college coaches call the club owner first then the kid tells the high school coach to call the college coach. So you want us to think the Landon coach cold calls the college coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't for one minute think RM is a good or great coach. He isn't, never has been and never will be. He is the polar opposite of a good lax coach. As for his players getting recruited, that is slowly dwindling down each year. And when it was happening, it is not him, it is the players who are getting recruited, on their own merits.
He has nothing to do with it. Don't kid yourself. But, we need to wait for all the Crab faithful to come on here and protect the crab daddy. Holy sh*t, how pathetic.

No idea if he's a good coach, but your statement is ridiculous.

Crabs 2016 - 19 commits
Crabs 2017 - 18 commits
Crabs 2018 - 15 commits
Crabs 2019 - 6 commits
Crabs 2020 - 3 commits

What other club can rival that? Maybe Sweetlax (but that includes guys who fly in to play in one tournament).

Sorry that FCA and Looney's doesn't compare, Dad.

Gee, could this be Ryan himself or just one of his many lap dogs?? That statement is far from ridiculous, it is spot on and you know it. Ryan M is not a good coach, just because he has teams loaded with way more holdbacks than any other club is the reason his teams win games. As far as being recruited, that is on the player and not Ryan M. He does not teach or coach any of his players, he doesn't know how to, his lax IQ is way low. You know it and so do many others.
Like was stated above, just wait for the Crab faithful to start their crap about how great their club is and how great their leader is. It is all just pure bullsh*t. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Oh, and FCA and Looney's never did come close to the number of holdbacks than Ryan M puts on his teams. It is comical to see his teams, they look like a varsity lax team, yet they get beaten fairly easy by mostly on age teams. Ok poppy, your turn. Just keep drinking the kool aid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm from outside area. NL is so well coached. They outplayed their talent on their roster because of those coaches. Great place to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Next Level squad with the Heights coach is attracting many kids from several very good DC teams, like Gonzaga, GPrep, and Landon.

Looks like they will help level the playing field. Should be interesting to see them play Crabs now. Not saying that they are going to win it all, just make it more interesting.

FCA and Looneys will more than likely claim the top spots behind T91-NY, since Crabs have lost several key players this year. New roster posted and much different than last year.

Any way you look at it, it appears the Crab name is not as strong as it was. That could be good for the sport by helping more teams get and keep good players.

Even more so, the coaching on the other teams is better than Ryan M can ever hope to be. Hopefully he learns that yelling is not a replacement for teaching. Yes, coaches are supposed to provide instruction as well. Everyone has a style, but not everyone can truly teach. Maybe he should just run the Crabs organization and let others coach the teams.

That crabs roster is strong but nowhere near the past. Attackman from RR is okay but not crabs strong, kid from Koopers not near what they lost to FCA and the middie from 91 was not one of their best. Still have plenty of 2019 age kids so that will help. Only 22 on roster bodes well for play time. FCA and Looneys will be one and two without a doubt.

See that Crabs 2020 again still has the middie that transferred from Severn School to BL a few years ago. This kid drives. How much longer is this organization going to keep putting players that should be in their second or third year of HS on a 2020 freshman team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't for one minute think RM is a good or great coach. He isn't, never has been and never will be. He is the polar opposite of a good lax coach. As for his players getting recruited, that is slowly dwindling down each year. And when it was happening, it is not him, it is the players who are getting recruited, on their own merits.
He has nothing to do with it. Don't kid yourself. But, we need to wait for all the Crab faithful to come on here and protect the crab daddy. Holy sh*t, how pathetic.

No idea if he's a good coach, but your statement is ridiculous.

Crabs 2016 - 19 commits
Crabs 2017 - 18 commits
Crabs 2018 - 15 commits
Crabs 2019 - 6 commits
Crabs 2020 - 3 commits

What other club can rival that? Maybe Sweetlax (but that includes guys who fly in to play in one tournament).

Sorry that FCA and Looney's doesn't compare, Dad.

Gee, could this be Ryan himself or just one of his many lap dogs?? That statement is far from ridiculous, it is spot on and you know it. Ryan M is not a good coach, just because he has teams loaded with way more holdbacks than any other club is the reason his teams win games. As far as being recruited, that is on the player and not Ryan M. He does not teach or coach any of his players, he doesn't know how to, his lax IQ is way low. You know it and so do many others.
Like was stated above, just wait for the Crab faithful to start their crap about how great their club is and how great their leader is. It is all just pure bullsh*t. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Oh, and FCA and Looney's never did come close to the number of holdbacks than Ryan M puts on his teams. It is comical to see his teams, they look like a varsity lax team, yet they get beaten fairly easy by mostly on age teams. Ok poppy, your turn. Just keep drinking the kool aid.

FCA and Looney's have a TON of holdbacks. Don't kid yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't for one minute think RM is a good or great coach. He isn't, never has been and never will be. He is the polar opposite of a good lax coach. As for his players getting recruited, that is slowly dwindling down each year. And when it was happening, it is not him, it is the players who are getting recruited, on their own merits.
He has nothing to do with it. Don't kid yourself. But, we need to wait for all the Crab faithful to come on here and protect the crab daddy. Holy sh*t, how pathetic.

No idea if he's a good coach, but your statement is ridiculous.

Crabs 2016 - 19 commits
Crabs 2017 - 18 commits
Crabs 2018 - 15 commits
Crabs 2019 - 6 commits
Crabs 2020 - 3 commits

What other club can rival that? Maybe Sweetlax (but that includes guys who fly in to play in one tournament).

Sorry that FCA and Looney's doesn't compare, Dad.

Gee, could this be Ryan himself or just one of his many lap dogs?? That statement is far from ridiculous, it is spot on and you know it. Ryan M is not a good coach, just because he has teams loaded with way more holdbacks than any other club is the reason his teams win games. As far as being recruited, that is on the player and not Ryan M. He does not teach or coach any of his players, he doesn't know how to, his lax IQ is way low. You know it and so do many others.
Like was stated above, just wait for the Crab faithful to start their crap about how great their club is and how great their leader is. It is all just pure bullsh*t. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Oh, and FCA and Looney's never did come close to the number of holdbacks than Ryan M puts on his teams. It is comical to see his teams, they look like a varsity lax team, yet they get beaten fairly easy by mostly on age teams. Ok poppy, your turn. Just keep drinking the kool aid.

FCA and Looney's have a TON of holdbacks. Don't kid yourself.

True that Crabs lacks in some coaching prowess and player development. Kids that play for them have to develop on their own. However, if your objective is to get recruited there is no better pathway. Every kid on Crabs that is good will get looks. I'm not sure this is the same with other programs. Seems that other programs only get coach inner circle kids into the recruiting mix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't for one minute think RM is a good or great coach. He isn't, never has been and never will be. He is the polar opposite of a good lax coach. As for his players getting recruited, that is slowly dwindling down each year. And when it was happening, it is not him, it is the players who are getting recruited, on their own merits.
He has nothing to do with it. Don't kid yourself. But, we need to wait for all the Crab faithful to come on here and protect the crab daddy. Holy sh*t, how pathetic.

No idea if he's a good coach, but your statement is ridiculous.

Crabs 2016 - 19 commits
Crabs 2017 - 18 commits
Crabs 2018 - 15 commits
Crabs 2019 - 6 commits
Crabs 2020 - 3 commits

What other club can rival that? Maybe Sweetlax (but that includes guys who fly in to play in one tournament).

Sorry that FCA and Looney's doesn't compare, Dad.

From fcamdlax.com

FCA 2017s-18 Commits
FCA 2018s-14 Commits
FCA 2019s-6 Commits
FCA 2020s-4 Commits

Literally the exact same amount. So there goes the argument of the Crabs magically recruiting powers.

And.... the same number of reclassed kids - whudayaknow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't for one minute think RM is a good or great coach. He isn't, never has been and never will be. He is the polar opposite of a good lax coach. As for his players getting recruited, that is slowly dwindling down each year. And when it was happening, it is not him, it is the players who are getting recruited, on their own merits.
He has nothing to do with it. Don't kid yourself. But, we need to wait for all the Crab faithful to come on here and protect the crab daddy. Holy sh*t, how pathetic.

No idea if he's a good coach, but your statement is ridiculous.

Crabs 2016 - 19 commits
Crabs 2017 - 18 commits
Crabs 2018 - 15 commits
Crabs 2019 - 6 commits
Crabs 2020 - 3 commits

What other club can rival that? Maybe Sweetlax (but that includes guys who fly in to play in one tournament).

Sorry that FCA and Looney's doesn't compare, Dad.

From fcamdlax.com

FCA 2017s-18 Commits
FCA 2018s-14 Commits
FCA 2019s-6 Commits
FCA 2020s-4 Commits

Literally the exact same amount. So there goes the argument of the Crabs magically recruiting powers.

Considering 2 of the 3 Crabs 2020 commits are now on FCA, those numbers aren't correct anymore.

Where is Ryan McClernan's son playing for 2016/2017? Ryan M is now the coach of Crabs 2021 for the upcoming season and his son was on that team this past season, but is not listed on the Crabs 2021 roster posted a few days ago. Could it be he doesn't want to play for his father and take the verbal abuse crab daddy gives out to his players.

So aren't club fees significantly higher for HS ages, assuming because of the expense of these recruiting showcases?

If you have committed, why still do it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So aren't club fees significantly higher for HS ages, assuming because of the expense of these recruiting showcases?

If you have committed, why still do it?

Because the commitment is based on you still getting better as a player. You need to play with great players to get better. This guy is clearly not a guy who has played sports at a high level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is Ryan McClernan's son playing for 2016/2017? Ryan M is now the coach of Crabs 2021 for the upcoming season and his son was on that team this past season, but is not listed on the Crabs 2021 roster posted a few days ago. Could it be he doesn't want to play for his father and take the verbal abuse crab daddy gives out to his players.

Ryan cut his son. There will be a 2021 Hardshells team for him to play one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is Ryan McClernan's son playing for 2016/2017? Ryan M is now the coach of Crabs 2021 for the upcoming season and his son was on that team this past season, but is not listed on the Crabs 2021 roster posted a few days ago. Could it be he doesn't want to play for his father and take the verbal abuse crab daddy gives out to his players.

Ryan cut his son. There will be a 2021 Hardshells team for him to play one

According to Crab's there will be no 2021 Hard Shell team this year. Apparently, there just weren't enough cut players interested to even justify a tryout.

RM is the coach of the 2021 team. LOL. He is the master of getting the most out of 15 and 16 year old 8th graders. Gotta love it. The madness continues.....

I heard that only ~18 kids showed up for the Crabs 2020 try out. Makes me think that Crabs doesn't attract new talent or they've already selected the players for their team and it doesn't make sense to even try out. I'm sure they'll have a good team, just not at the same level as FCA/Looney's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So aren't club fees significantly higher for HS ages, assuming because of the expense of these recruiting showcases?

If you have committed, why still do it?

Because you can't stop playing competitive lacrosse for 3 years and think you will walk in to college and be able to play at that speed. You can play less club.......can't stop. HS ball is not enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that only ~18 kids showed up for the Crabs 2020 try out. Makes me think that Crabs doesn't attract new talent or they've already selected the players for their team and it doesn't make sense to even try out. I'm sure they'll have a good team, just not at the same level as FCA/Looney's.

There are 8 new kids on Crabs 2020. 22 total on team. Recognize some of the new defenders on the team an it is a real step down compared to what left. Going to be a tough year for this team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that only ~18 kids showed up for the Crabs 2020 try out. Makes me think that Crabs doesn't attract new talent or they've already selected the players for their team and it doesn't make sense to even try out. I'm sure they'll have a good team, just not at the same level as FCA/Looney's.

Well the top privates are taking over the club teams. Everyone knows if you want to attend or you attend one school or another you should or need to play for this or that club team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that only ~18 kids showed up for the Crabs 2020 try out. Makes me think that Crabs doesn't attract new talent or they've already selected the players for their team and it doesn't make sense to even try out. I'm sure they'll have a good team, just not at the same level as FCA/Looney's.

There are 8 new kids on Crabs 2020. 22 total on team. Recognize some of the new defenders on the team an it is a real step down compared to what left. Going to be a tough year for this team

Same for the new middies and attack.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is Ryan McClernan's son playing for 2016/2017? Ryan M is now the coach of Crabs 2021 for the upcoming season and his son was on that team this past season, but is not listed on the Crabs 2021 roster posted a few days ago. Could it be he doesn't want to play for his father and take the verbal abuse crab daddy gives out to his players.

Regardless if one likes the Crabs or the owner, what kind of weirdo scans lax website looking at the names of teenage boys?

Get a life, dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is Ryan McClernan's son playing for 2016/2017? Ryan M is now the coach of Crabs 2021 for the upcoming season and his son was on that team this past season, but is not listed on the Crabs 2021 roster posted a few days ago. Could it be he doesn't want to play for his father and take the verbal abuse crab daddy gives out to his players.

Regardless if one likes the Crabs or the owner, what kind of weirdo scans lax website looking at the names of teenage boys?

Get a life, dad.

Its the same effin guy that always post crap about Crabs...You may think its a ton of people but its really just a couple wierdo creepy Dad's that make it their life to somehow demonize a youth lacrosse club... effin Freak

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that only ~18 kids showed up for the Crabs 2020 try out. Makes me think that Crabs doesn't attract new talent or they've already selected the players for their team and it doesn't make sense to even try out. I'm sure they'll have a good team, just not at the same level as FCA/Looney's.

There are 8 new kids on Crabs 2020. 22 total on team. Recognize some of the new defenders on the team an it is a real step down compared to what left. Going to be a tough year for this team

Actually the defense is taking a step up, the defensemen who left were not very good to begin with. The two who are committed are still there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that only ~18 kids showed up for the Crabs 2020 try out. Makes me think that Crabs doesn't attract new talent or they've already selected the players for their team and it doesn't make sense to even try out. I'm sure they'll have a good team, just not at the same level as FCA/Looney's.

There are 8 new kids on Crabs 2020. 22 total on team. Recognize some of the new defenders on the team an it is a real step down compared to what left. Going to be a tough year for this team

Actually the defense is taking a step up, the defensemen who left were not very good to begin with. The two who are committed are still there.

Think you better check again. Only had 2 commits and 2 are gone. Koopers holdback pole is not close to what you lost. SOrry. I guess when less than 20 kids come to tryouts you take what you can get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is Ryan McClernan's son playing for 2016/2017? Ryan M is now the coach of Crabs 2021 for the upcoming season and his son was on that team this past season, but is not listed on the Crabs 2021 roster posted a few days ago. Could it be he doesn't want to play for his father and take the verbal abuse crab daddy gives out to his players.

Regardless if one likes the Crabs or the owner, what kind of weirdo scans lax website looking at the names of teenage boys?

Get a life, dad.

Its the same effin guy that always post crap about Crabs...You may think its a ton of people but its really just a couple wierdo creepy Dad's that make it their life to somehow demonize a youth lacrosse club... effin Freak

You really think it is just one "effin" guy? Don't fool yourself, there are many that do not like what the Crab organization stands for or how it operates, starting with the founder RM. And no, I am not the one who posted the question about Ryan's son. I could care less where he or anyone else plays in this rotten organization. So, just keep posting what you believe if it makes you happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that only ~18 kids showed up for the Crabs 2020 try out. Makes me think that Crabs doesn't attract new talent or they've already selected the players for their team and it doesn't make sense to even try out. I'm sure they'll have a good team, just not at the same level as FCA/Looney's.

There are 8 new kids on Crabs 2020. 22 total on team. Recognize some of the new defenders on the team an it is a real step down compared to what left. Going to be a tough year for this team

Actually the defense is taking a step up, the defensemen who left were not very good to begin with. The two who are committed are still there.

Think you better check again. Only had 2 commits and 2 are gone. Koopers holdback pole is not close to what you lost. SOrry. I guess when less than 20 kids come to tryouts you take what you can get.

Crabs 2020 will be just fine. Their new roster keeps the a great core group in tact and adds quite a bit of depth. Don't count them out just yet.

Crabs = yawn. Dying organization....

I see a lot of clubs going down. Leadership has to realize if the kids are not having fun, some will burn out and stop playing. Wake up people. Ack Ack

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see a lot of clubs going down. Leadership has to realize if the kids are not having fun, some will burn out and stop playing. Wake up people. Ack Ack

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is Ryan McClernan's son playing for 2016/2017? Ryan M is now the coach of Crabs 2021 for the upcoming season and his son was on that team this past season, but is not listed on the Crabs 2021 roster posted a few days ago. Could it be he doesn't want to play for his father and take the verbal abuse crab daddy gives out to his players.

Yup same [lacrosse] bag guy....I mean really??

Regardless if one likes the Crabs or the owner, what kind of weirdo scans lax website looking at the names of teenage boys?

Get a life, dad.

Its the same effin guy that always post crap about Crabs...You may think its a ton of people but its really just a couple wierdo creepy Dad's that make it their life to somehow demonize a youth lacrosse club... effin Freak

You really think it is just one "effin" guy? Don't fool yourself, there are many that do not like what the Crab organization stands for or how it operates, starting with the founder RM. And no, I am not the one who posted the question about Ryan's son. I could care less where he or anyone else plays in this rotten organization. So, just keep posting what you believe if it makes you happy.

Crabs - best damn cheatin club in b'more!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs - best damn cheatin club in b'more!

Preach brotha, Preach!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs - best damn cheatin club in b'more!

Preach brotha, Preach!

Great records for most of their teams, but only 1 hoco championship. Parity abounds.

The old guard is dying. Once age based classification starts - youth lacrosse will have even more parity.

LOL. You know the Crabs were dominant before it was grade based, right?

More and more competition for the Crabs, so they will never be as dominant as they used to be. But they will always be one of the best clubs.

God, you haters need to get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The old guard is dying. Once age based classification starts - youth lacrosse will have even more parity.

When is age based lacrosse starting? USL will next year - but not in MD dude...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. You know the Crabs were dominant before it was grade based, right?

More and more competition for the Crabs, so they will never be as dominant as they used to be. But they will always be one of the best clubs.

God, you haters need to get a life.

The Crabs in Maryland prior to the grade base club explosion were at the Top of Mountain for sure. Their age based U13 and U15 teams along with their grade based High School teams were really good. Usually the best. Anyone on the Crabs teams were considered top notch players back then.

This is just my observations. When this whole grade base teams came about a few years ago, Crabs pounced on it and with their reputation as a MIAA Club ( Where Majority Holdbacks/prefirst are) that and along with sending many public school kids playing for Crabs to MIAA high Schools.The Crabs dominated the holdbacks on their teams at beginning of grade base.

Now that the Lacrosse Club explosion has settled down it looks like the Crabs are losing some of their luster. FCA is obviously taking some of the better players now along with other clubs. High School affiliation with coaches is also starting to come into play with Clubs.
Coaching staff is a issue with specific teams and some clubs and specific teams have much better coaching staff than Crabs.

I see the Crabs still fielding good teams and be on top with some grade based teams.. But the days of Crabs always being First or Second will be a thing of the past here soon if not already next year.

Crabs were the only game in town for years. That is not case any longer. Some of the kids on their new 2020 team that came from other local clubs rarely saw the field on those clubs. In addition, some of the Crabs cast offs did not make some of the other clubs teams. Times are a changing. Fat Crab better get on a treadmill and come up with a new schtick...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. You know the Crabs were dominant before it was grade based, right?

More and more competition for the Crabs, so they will never be as dominant as they used to be. But they will always be one of the best clubs.

God, you haters need to get a life.

The Crabs in Maryland prior to the grade base club explosion were at the Top of Mountain for sure. Their age based U13 and U15 teams along with their grade based High School teams were really good. Usually the best. Anyone on the Crabs teams were considered top notch players back then.

This is just my observations. When this whole grade base teams came about a few years ago, Crabs pounced on it and with their reputation as a MIAA Club ( Where Majority Holdbacks/prefirst are) that and along with sending many public school kids playing for Crabs to MIAA high Schools.The Crabs dominated the holdbacks on their teams at beginning of grade base.

Now that the Lacrosse Club explosion has settled down it looks like the Crabs are losing some of their luster. FCA is obviously taking some of the better players now along with other clubs. High School affiliation with coaches is also starting to come into play with Clubs.
Coaching staff is a issue with specific teams and some clubs and specific teams have much better coaching staff than Crabs.

I see the Crabs still fielding good teams and be on top with some grade based teams.. But the days of Crabs always being First or Second will be a thing of the past here soon if not already next year.

I think the Top Private school coaches being linked to several different clubs is what is hurting the Crabs the most. I agree 3 to 4 years ago it was my kid is the best around so I am trying out for the Crabs. Now you say my high school coach is working with Club X I have to show up at those tryouts first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. You know the Crabs were dominant before it was grade based, right?

More and more competition for the Crabs, so they will never be as dominant as they used to be. But they will always be one of the best clubs.

God, you haters need to get a life.

The Crabs in Maryland prior to the grade base club explosion were at the Top of Mountain for sure. Their age based U13 and U15 teams along with their grade based High School teams were really good. Usually the best. Anyone on the Crabs teams were considered top notch players back then.

This is just my observations. When this whole grade base teams came about a few years ago, Crabs pounced on it and with their reputation as a MIAA Club ( Where Majority Holdbacks/prefirst are) that and along with sending many public school kids playing for Crabs to MIAA high Schools.The Crabs dominated the holdbacks on their teams at beginning of grade base.

Now that the Lacrosse Club explosion has settled down it looks like the Crabs are losing some of their luster. FCA is obviously taking some of the better players now along with other clubs. High School affiliation with coaches is also starting to come into play with Clubs.
Coaching staff is a issue with specific teams and some clubs and specific teams have much better coaching staff than Crabs.

I see the Crabs still fielding good teams and be on top with some grade based teams.. But the days of Crabs always being First or Second will be a thing of the past here soon if not already next year.

I think the Top Private school coaches being linked to several different clubs is what is hurting the Crabs the most. I agree 3 to 4 years ago it was my kid is the best around so I am trying out for the Crabs. Now you say my high school coach is working with Club X I have to show up at those tryouts first.

Love a bunch of angry Dad's trying to make their club look better by predicting the end of Club lacrosse anchored at Boys Latin...Really just shut up.. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

I was just told McLernan stepped down from Crabs...you bullies ran him out of lacrosse. I hope you are happy.

Without their holdback scheme Crabs are average at best. Field a team with on age kids instead of 16 year old 8th graders. How many kids on the 2020 team are now on the 2021 roster? Complete joke.

I hear RM has given up lacrosse and is now work at Sonic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. You know the Crabs were dominant before it was grade based, right?

More and more competition for the Crabs, so they will never be as dominant as they used to be. But they will always be one of the best clubs.

God, you haters need to get a life.

The Crabs in Maryland prior to the grade base club explosion were at the Top of Mountain for sure. Their age based U13 and U15 teams along with their grade based High School teams were really good. Usually the best. Anyone on the Crabs teams were considered top notch players back then.

This is just my observations. When this whole grade base teams came about a few years ago, Crabs pounced on it and with their reputation as a MIAA Club ( Where Majority Holdbacks/prefirst are) that and along with sending many public school kids playing for Crabs to MIAA high Schools.The Crabs dominated the holdbacks on their teams at beginning of grade base.

Now that the Lacrosse Club explosion has settled down it looks like the Crabs are losing some of their luster. FCA is obviously taking some of the better players now along with other clubs. High School affiliation with coaches is also starting to come into play with Clubs.
Coaching staff is a issue with specific teams and some clubs and specific teams have much better coaching staff than Crabs.

I see the Crabs still fielding good teams and be on top with some grade based teams.. But the days of Crabs always being First or Second will be a thing of the past here soon if not already next year.

I think the Top Private school coaches being linked to several different clubs is what is hurting the Crabs the most. I agree 3 to 4 years ago it was my kid is the best around so I am trying out for the Crabs. Now you say my high school coach is working with Club X I have to show up at those tryouts first.

Love a bunch of angry Dad's trying to make their club look better by predicting the end of Club lacrosse anchored at Boys Latin...Really just shut up.. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

You sound like the angry one?? Plus it looks like your reading comprehension is lacking. It is actually a rational discussion about one of the top clubs and what we think the effects of a changing landscape in youth lacrosse are doing to it.
Might want to relax there Francis and give us your rational why we are wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was just told McLernan stepped down from Crabs...you bullies ran him out of lacrosse. I hope you are happy.

I just saw the opening for a food taster at the Golden Trough..I mean Golden Corral being filled.....mmmmmmm ...do 2 plus 2 equal ??

why do the moderators let the personal attacks go on?
I thought this was a lacrosse forum board.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why do the moderators let the personal attacks go on?
I thought this was a lacrosse forum board.....

Listen.. as long as the personal attacks are not against children, we here at BOTC really don't care. The adults (if you want to call them that) can handle themselves.

Yes, this is a lacrosse forum but it appears to have a lot of adult juvenile delinquents using it.

Anything else you want to [lacrosse] about?

nope, nothing else to [lacrosse] about...sorry to strike a nerve...guess lacrosse conversation has given way to personal attacks. I for one don't think we should be personally attacking anyone regardless of age but its not my board.
Enjoy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

nope, nothing else to [lacrosse] about...sorry to strike a nerve...guess lacrosse conversation has given way to personal attacks. I for one don't think we should be personally attacking anyone regardless of age but its not my board.
Enjoy!

If you don't like it, don't visit, it is not all that complicated. Or maybe this is crab daddy himself complaining. You never know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

nope, nothing else to [lacrosse] about...sorry to strike a nerve...guess lacrosse conversation has given way to personal attacks. I for one don't think we should be personally attacking anyone regardless of age but its not my board.
Enjoy!

I am not attacking anyone and if I do, my name is attached.

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

nope, nothing else to [lacrosse] about...sorry to strike a nerve...guess lacrosse conversation has given way to personal attacks. I for one don't think we should be personally attacking anyone regardless of age but its not my board.
Enjoy!

I am not attacking anyone and if I do, my name is attached.

Well said Larry. Now, let's get back to bashing Fatty McCrab and his sham of a club. Actually Larry, I have a question. I get not attacking any of the children, but can I attack one of the holdbacks if they are no longer technically kids? Like say one of the 18 year olds on the 2025 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

nope, nothing else to [lacrosse] about...sorry to strike a nerve...guess lacrosse conversation has given way to personal attacks. I for one don't think we should be personally attacking anyone regardless of age but its not my board.
Enjoy!

I am not attacking anyone and if I do, my name is attached.

Well said Larry. Now, let's get back to bashing Fatty McCrab and his sham of a club. Actually Larry, I have a question. I get not attacking any of the children, but can I attack one of the holdbacks if they are no longer technically kids? Like say one of the 18 year olds on the 2025 team?

I see an 18 year old as a kid. Honestly, no, please don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry LarryMiller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

nope, nothing else to [lacrosse] about...sorry to strike a nerve...guess lacrosse conversation has given way to personal attacks. I for one don't think we should be personally attacking anyone regardless of age but its not my board.
Enjoy!

I am not attacking anyone and if I do, my name is attached.

Well said Larry. Now, let's get back to bashing Fatty McCrab and his sham of a club. Actually Larry, I have a question. I get not attacking any of the children, but can I attack one of the holdbacks if they are no longer technically kids? Like say one of the 18 year olds on the 2025 team?

So you are supposedly an adult, yet you incessantly refer to a guy's weight, which has no bearing on him or his club.

Then you also are seriously asking permission to denigrate a kid? And you want to be taken seriously when making a lame joke about an 18 y.o. on a 2025 team.

Get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was just told McLernan stepped down from Crabs...you bullies ran him out of lacrosse. I hope you are happy.

Maybe he can take Rodier with him. Another coach who knows nothing about supporting and nurturing lacrosse players. Best thing to happen to youth lacrosse. Maybe RM can also learn to respect children now.

Lots of Crabs gear on sideline swap.

How did 2023 Crabs do yesterday at BMore play day?

How did the Crabs 2020 do at NLF with all the new players?

Lost to Edge, other results not sure. Edge.....really?

Beat Long Island Express and HHH, lost to Edge Canada. Great tourney, they looked good,Edge game was 5-8, and Edge is very strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beat Long Island Express and HHH, lost to Edge Canada. Great tourney, they looked good,Edge game was 5-8, and Edge is very strong.

You forgot to mention Crabs also looked very old for a 2020 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Beat Long Island Express and HHH, lost to Edge Canada. Great tourney, they looked good,Edge game was 5-8, and Edge is very strong.

You forgot to mention Crabs also looked very old for a 2020 team.

Crickets..........who writes your material?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Beat Long Island Express and HHH, lost to Edge Canada. Great tourney, they looked good,Edge game was 5-8, and Edge is very strong.

You forgot to mention Crabs also looked very old for a 2020 team.

Crickets..........who writes your material?

Ryan McClernan, big crab daddy, who else!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 2023 Crabs do yesterday at BMore play day?

you mean the 2023 team that has half of the 2022 team from last year on it? How do you think they did? They destroyed all the teams that played them very competitively last year. the teams with no hold backs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did 2023 Crabs do yesterday at BMore play day?

you mean the 2023 team that has half of the 2022 team from last year on it? How do you think they did? They destroyed all the teams that played them very competitively last year. the teams with no hold backs!

If by half you mean one kid I guess you're correct.

2022 is pretty much intact from last year, minus some kids who left for better playing opportunities at places like FCA (ie, more minutes elsewhere). 2022 Crabs team will be stronger this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is pretty much intact from last year, minus some kids who left for better playing opportunities at places like FCA (ie, more minutes elsewhere). 2022 Crabs team will be stronger this year.

Hopefully they will play all the top teams this year.

What's the over/under on the number of Crabs 2022 players that will be 2023 players by the time they hit 8th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the over/under on the number of Crabs 2022 players that will be 2023 players by the time they hit 8th grade?

How many more Crabs 2021 players will become Hawks 2022 players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the over/under on the number of Crabs 2022 players that will be 2023 players by the time they hit 8th grade?

" 14 "

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the over/under on the number of Crabs 2022 players that will be 2023 players by the time they hit 8th grade?

" 14 "

Or is that the number of Crabs committed prior to 9th grade? Give it a rest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the over/under on the number of Crabs 2022 players that will be 2023 players by the time they hit 8th grade?

" 14 "

Or is that the number of Crabs committed prior to 9th grade? Give it a rest

Just can't stand to see/hear the real truth. Is that why you want to give it a rest??

Crabs organization is shame. Older kids vs younger kids - that's da game.

Why did crabs drop out of their tourney today at Towson Gold?

What happened today to the 2022 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened today to the 2022 team

Lost by 1 to Madlax. No shame in that.

Crabs 2020 yesterday against Southshore and NXT. Any results out there? Jersey team is very good.

Crabs 2020 was 3-0. NXT and True Illinios were competitive one or two goal games, beat the Southshore team by a handful of goals.

Who won the Autumn Classic 2023? Only age group with no update? And why only 1 Semi-Final game? Crabs straight in from pool play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the Autumn Classic 2023? Only age group with no update? And why only 1 Semi-Final game? Crabs straight in from pool play?

Crabs took the 2023. Very good team, strong, fast and skilled. One suggestion for flat brim, remind you parents and players that these kids are in 6th grade... A few forgot and admitted to being in 7th grade and a crab parent even used the word "reclassified"... really? I have heard about the reputation of this club before, now I have heard it first hand. Regardless, some very strong talent no matter how old they are.In a few years a year or 2 is no longer an excuse..

Crabs do one thing REALLY well - sandbag with holdbacks. Without them - they are no better/worse than the rest of the elite teams out there. Their 2020 team (8th graders) had 16 year olds on the team. 16 in the 8th grade. SMH.

Who did they beat Sweetlax or Next Level? And why did those 2 teams have a semi and Crabs went straight through? Both those teams seemed just as dominate in their divisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs do one thing REALLY well - sandbag with holdbacks. Without them - they are no better/worse than the rest of the elite teams out there. Their 2020 team (8th graders) had 16 year olds on the team. 16 in the 8th grade. SMH.

Only thing that has changed for this fall and next spring for their 2020 team is that they have a good amount of kids in the 9th grade who should be in the 10th grade and one or two are double holdbacks. It will never change with this organization, it is the business model of RM and will never change. Game the system to the fullest and hope for the best.
Their 2021 team also has a fair amount of holdbacks, kids in 8th grade who should be in 9th, but did the reclass thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs do one thing REALLY well - sandbag with holdbacks. Without them - they are no better/worse than the rest of the elite teams out there. Their 2020 team (8th graders) had 16 year olds on the team. 16 in the 8th grade. SMH.

Only thing that has changed for this fall and next spring for their 2020 team is that they have a good amount of kids in the 9th grade who should be in the 10th grade and one or two are double holdbacks. It will never change with this organization, it is the business model of RM and will never change. Game the system to the fullest and hope for the best.
Their 2021 team also has a fair amount of holdbacks, kids in 8th grade who should be in 9th, but did the reclass thing.

2020 is 9th grad now, by the way. And no, there were no 16 year old 8th graders last year, as much as that would make your story better!

There are tryouts, and the best kids make the team. The club does not have any bearing on what these kids do in school. Most of the kids you are calling holdbacks did prefirst years before club lacrosse was even a part of their life. To say that the club has any influence on parenting choices for schooling is a huge stretch! More private school kids end up on the elite teams because of the prefirst curriculum, but by the time you get to HS ball, the cards will have fallen as they may, where good players have separated themselves from the pack regardless of the 1 year age spread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs do one thing REALLY well - sandbag with holdbacks. Without them - they are no better/worse than the rest of the elite teams out there. Their 2020 team (8th graders) had 16 year olds on the team. 16 in the 8th grade. SMH.

Only thing that has changed for this fall and next spring for their 2020 team is that they have a good amount of kids in the 9th grade who should be in the 10th grade and one or two are double holdbacks. It will never change with this organization, it is the business model of RM and will never change. Game the system to the fullest and hope for the best.
Their 2021 team also has a fair amount of holdbacks, kids in 8th grade who should be in 9th, but did the reclass thing.

2020 is 9th grad now, by the way. And no, there were no 16 year old 8th graders last year, as much as that would make your story better!

There are tryouts, and the best kids make the team. The club does not have any bearing on what these kids do in school. Most of the kids you are calling holdbacks did prefirst years before club lacrosse was even a part of their life. To say that the club has any influence on parenting choices for schooling is a huge stretch! More private school kids end up on the elite teams because of the prefirst curriculum, but by the time you get to HS ball, the cards will have fallen as they may, where good players have separated themselves from the pack regardless of the 1 year age spread.

Please, you are talking too much sense for this crew. Logical thinking and facts don't matter on this hate spewing forum. You will always have the wannabe's and the "its not fair" crowd in a tizzy over skilled players. Just the way it is. Enjoy the vitriol as entertainment and try to feel for their pain.

YES there was a kid born in March of 2000 on the 2020 team. That made him 16 years in the 8th grade. Several other kids on the team turning 16 by the end of this year. Its a fact.

Complete nonsense that a fat crab doesn't have an influence on whether a family holds there kids back or not - look at the number of 2019s that reclassed to 2020.

Keep making excuses - everyone knows the games being played...own it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the over/under on the number of Crabs 2022 players that will be 2023 players by the time they hit 8th grade?

What was the over under that Trump will be President....Ha.. He is President because he was the better candidate. Crabs lacrosse teams Win because they are better trained, better coached, and better prepared than most of the teams are out there.... Yeah they are not perfect but really scrutinized because parents are tired of either not making their teams or tired of loosing to them.... Don't you have a presidential protest to Riot and to cry no fair? Take your everyone gets a trophy mentality out of lacrosse.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YES there was a kid born in March of 2000 on the 2020 team. That made him 16 years in the 8th grade. Several other kids on the team turning 16 by the end of this year. Its a fact.

Complete nonsense that a fat crab doesn't have an influence on whether a family holds there kids back or not - look at the number of 2019s that reclassed to 2020.

Keep making excuses - everyone knows the games being played...own it.

you sound like these idiot protestors on the news... get a life....I guess you and your kids were running around all weekend yelling it's not fair and to dump trump....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YES there was a kid born in March of 2000 on the 2020 team. That made him 16 years in the 8th grade. Several other kids on the team turning 16 by the end of this year. Its a fact.

Complete nonsense that a fat crab doesn't have an influence on whether a family holds there kids back or not - look at the number of 2019s that reclassed to 2020.

Keep making excuses - everyone knows the games being played...own it.

you sound like these idiot protestors on the news... get a life....I guess you and your kids were running around all weekend yelling it's not fair and to dump trump....

Too Soon?

2020 looked strong at NLF and Autumn Gold. Despite all of the rhetoric from back at tryouts, will be a top team going into this Spring/Summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the over/under on the number of Crabs 2022 players that will be 2023 players by the time they hit 8th grade?

What was the over under that Trump will be President....Ha.. He is President because he was the better candidate. Crabs lacrosse teams Win because they are better trained, better coached, and better prepared than most of the teams are out there.... Yeah they are not perfect but really scrutinized because parents are tired of either not making their teams or tired of loosing to them.... Don't you have a presidential protest to Riot and to cry no fair? Take your everyone gets a trophy mentality out of lacrosse.....

You are a total idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YES there was a kid born in March of 2000 on the 2020 team. That made him 16 years in the 8th grade. Several other kids on the team turning 16 by the end of this year. Its a fact.

Complete nonsense that a fat crab doesn't have an influence on whether a family holds there kids back or not - look at the number of 2019s that reclassed to 2020.

Keep making excuses - everyone knows the games being played...own it.

you sound like these idiot protestors on the news... get a life....I guess you and your kids were running around all weekend yelling it's not fair and to dump trump....

good grief, another crabs idiot daddy. Your program, crabs, is a sh*thole of club lacrosse and anyone that says excellent coaching at crabs is simply stupid. Look no further than Ryan McClernan, a total as*hole of a coach, doesn't know the game, can't relate to the players and spends most of his efforts yelling and belittling them.
And, in case you didn't realize it, this is a lacrosse forum, not a political forum. Or maybe you think BOTC stands for where Trump keeps his women.

Actually - I think parents are tired of seeing their 13 year old 8th graders play against 16 year old 8th graders. SIXTEEN YEARS OLD in the 8th grade. Field on age team and then maybe you will get some respect - until then - your a joke.

The 2023 team has a kid who is in 7th grade. He has not reclassified but they do not care.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 looked strong at NLF and Autumn Gold. Despite all of the rhetoric from back at tryouts, will be a top team going into this Spring/Summer.

Current team will lose to Crush, FCA, Looneys, Laxachussets (holdback kings of the north), Express, WCS, Hawks, Edge, and probably 1-2 more, putting them in the top 10, barely. Too much talent drained and the replacements not nearly as good, or old, as the ones who left.

Still a very good team, but Ryan's white whale - a team as good as Crush - will forever elude him...so sweet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2020 looked strong at NLF and Autumn Gold. Despite all of the rhetoric from back at tryouts, will be a top team going into this Spring/Summer.

Current team will lose to Crush, FCA, Looneys, Laxachussets (holdback kings of the north), Express, WCS, Hawks, Edge, and probably 1-2 more, putting them in the top 10, barely. Too much talent drained and the replacements not nearly as good, or old, as the ones who left.

Still a very good team, but Ryan's white whale - a team as good as Crush - will forever elude him...so sweet.

And this is from a Crabs dad. Accurate assessment. All that matters is the college look and commit at this level. Crabs still great at that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 looked strong at NLF and Autumn Gold. Despite all of the rhetoric from back at tryouts, will be a top team going into this Spring/Summer.

A shell of what they used to be. The replacements for the players that left are not of the same caliber. Strong players but not game changers. They have lost their luster and will be in top 15. Feel sorry for the kids who think they are of the old Crabs material yet they are just one of many good players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 looked strong at NLF and Autumn Gold. Despite all of the rhetoric from back at tryouts, will be a top team going into this Spring/Summer.

A shell of what they used to be. The replacements for the players that left are not of the same caliber. Strong players but not game changers. They have lost their luster and will be in top 15. Feel sorry for the kids who think they are of the old Crabs material yet they are just one of many good players.

Pretty sure zero of the players would ever require your pity, being that they just played some of the best teams in the country with great success, go to the best schools, and mostly every single one of the teammates will decide their own futures in education, athletics, and life!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2020 looked strong at NLF and Autumn Gold. Despite all of the rhetoric from back at tryouts, will be a top team going into this Spring/Summer.

Current team will lose to Crush, FCA, Looneys, Laxachussets (holdback kings of the north), Express, WCS, Hawks, Edge, and probably 1-2 more, putting them in the top 10, barely. Too much talent drained and the replacements not nearly as good, or old, as the ones who left.

Still a very good team, but Ryan's white whale - a team as good as Crush - will forever elude him...so sweet.

And this is from a Crabs dad. Accurate assessment. All that matters is the college look and commit at this level. Crabs still great at that.

They beat Laxachussets and Long Island Express last week dumbo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2023 team has a kid who is in 7th grade. He has not reclassified but they do not care.

My kid plays on that team and thy are very good..I'm totally in the dark on this..please share your wisdom if you are saying that every win should have an asterisk attached..

2020 went5-1 through the fall. Played top teams. Truth will
Come out now as the next step will be spring high school tryoutswhere it doesn't matter about grad year or holdbacks, everyone on the equal high school field. Let the kids make the teams they deserve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2020 looked strong at NLF and Autumn Gold. Despite all of the rhetoric from back at tryouts, will be a top team going into this Spring/Summer.

Current team will lose to Crush, FCA, Looneys, Laxachussets (holdback kings of the north), Express, WCS, Hawks, Edge, and probably 1-2 more, putting them in the top 10, barely. Too much talent drained and the replacements not nearly as good, or old, as the ones who left.

Still a very good team, but Ryan's white whale - a team as good as Crush - will forever elude him...so sweet.

And this is from a Crabs dad. Accurate assessment. All that matters is the college look and commit at this level. Crabs still great at that.

They beat Laxachussets and Long Island Express last week dumbo.

Neither team the best of the best. Good teams but not anything to legitimize yourself with. Sorry if your guy waited years to make the Crabs and when he final makes it, it is only because they lost players and needed to backfill from a smaller than most years tryout pools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2020 looked strong at NLF and Autumn Gold. Despite all of the rhetoric from back at tryouts, will be a top team going into this Spring/Summer.

Current team will lose to Crush, FCA, Looneys, Laxachussets (holdback kings of the north), Express, WCS, Hawks, Edge, and probably 1-2 more, putting them in the top 10, barely. Too much talent drained and the replacements not nearly as good, or old, as the ones who left.

Still a very good team, but Ryan's white whale - a team as good as Crush - will forever elude him...so sweet.

And this is from a Crabs dad. Accurate assessment. All that matters is the college look and commit at this level. Crabs still great at that.

They beat Laxachussets and Long Island Express last week dumbo.

Neither team the best of the best. Good teams but not anything to legitimize yourself with. Sorry if your guy waited years to make the Crabs and when he final makes it, it is only because they lost players and needed to backfill from a smaller than most years tryout pools.

Sorry that you don't have any skin in the game anymore, but you certainly aren't legitimizing yourself by trolling top 10 team threads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2020 looked strong at NLF and Autumn Gold. Despite all of the rhetoric from back at tryouts, will be a top team going into this Spring/Summer.

Current team will lose to Crush, FCA, Looneys, Laxachussets (holdback kings of the north), Express, WCS, Hawks, Edge, and probably 1-2 more, putting them in the top 10, barely. Too much talent drained and the replacements not nearly as good, or old, as the ones who left.

Still a very good team, but Ryan's white whale - a team as good as Crush - will forever elude him...so sweet.

And this is from a Crabs dad. Accurate assessment. All that matters is the college look and commit at this level. Crabs still great at that.

They beat Laxachussets and Long Island Express last week dumbo.

Hmm...guess those two teams have slipped as well. Dumbo...are you seven?

"My kid plays on that team and thy are very good..I'm totally in the dark on this..please share your wisdom if you are saying that every win should have an asterisk attached.."

This was confirmed to me by friends of the kid's family. Their kids go to school with your player. I do not feel right putting the name on this site but he is a middie and one of your best.

Ignore this joker who has nothing left to do but waste time attacking another family and a kid. If they had any skin left in the game at this level, they wouldn't be complaining. Rules are rules, and until the rules change, you'll have some age differences. Whether there was an advantage or not at the middle school level is irrelevant now, as this age group is in HS. If someone doesn't like the rules, grad year vs. age, etc.. blah blah blah, go do something about it, or simply STFU, because the system drives the issue, not the players that play within it..

Not an accurate statement. Not true at all.

Why continue to make up excuses...why? This is a talented group of young men who play together as a team. Not one kid is in 7th grade...not one!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not an accurate statement. Not true at all.

Why continue to make up excuses...why? This is a talented group of young men who play together as a team. Not one kid is in 7th grade...not one!

People are funny...They always need a way to justify why a team is better than the other...This forum is irrelevant in the true lacrosse world...The Crabs 2023 team is really really really good. The only advantage they have is that the play lacrosse 11 months out of the year and practice from August to July

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not an accurate statement. Not true at all.

Why continue to make up excuses...why? This is a talented group of young men who play together as a team. Not one kid is in 7th grade...not one!

But 1/2 of the team should be...you can not defend your self against the fact that the Crabs are notorious with hold backs. Your right it is the systems fault not the kids (although it has to be awkward repeating a grade) ...until tournaments decide to use DOB and not grade it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"My kid plays on that team and thy are very good..I'm totally in the dark on this..please share your wisdom if you are saying that every win should have an asterisk attached.."

This was confirmed to me by friends of the kid's family. Their kids go to school with your player. I do not feel right putting the name on this site but he is a middie and one of your best.

You would get not argument if you said he was old enough to be in 7th grade. I highly doubt that he actually is in 7th grade. Though I believe the 2022's had a 7th grader on the team last year who is now on another club's 8th grade team.

Whether they have a 7th Grader or not they will need more. They beat Next Level by just 1. Seriously Next Level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ignore this joker who has nothing left to do but waste time attacking another family and a kid. If they had any skin left in the game at this level, they wouldn't be complaining. Rules are rules, and until the rules change, you'll have some age differences. Whether there was an advantage or not at the middle school level is irrelevant now, as this age group is in HS. If someone doesn't like the rules, grad year vs. age, etc.. blah blah blah, go do something about it, or simply STFU, because the system drives the issue, not the players that play within it..

This is not a holdback. The kid is in 7th grade. Last year he was on the team as a 6th grader when the league was for 5th graders. Everyone knows they are littered with holdbacks. This is the next step in the Crabs cheatbook. Basically, we don't care what grade you are in. Just tell us what grade you want to play against and we are ok with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ignore this joker who has nothing left to do but waste time attacking another family and a kid. If they had any skin left in the game at this level, they wouldn't be complaining. Rules are rules, and until the rules change, you'll have some age differences. Whether there was an advantage or not at the middle school level is irrelevant now, as this age group is in HS. If someone doesn't like the rules, grad year vs. age, etc.. blah blah blah, go do something about it, or simply STFU, because the system drives the issue, not the players that play within it..

This is not a holdback. The kid is in 7th grade. Last year he was on the team as a 6th grader when the league was for 5th graders. Everyone knows they are littered with holdbacks. This is the next step in the Crabs cheatbook. Basically, we don't care what grade you are in. Just tell us what grade you want to play against and we are ok with it.

This is true. The kid was on flat brim's 5th grade Looneys team when he was in 6th grade. The kid has been supposedly reclassing for 3 years now but hasn't and is in 7th grade this year. Not sure how they have gotten away with this for so long. Reclassing is one thing, but when you are even cheating the grade based system, that is actually violating the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ignore this joker who has nothing left to do but waste time attacking another family and a kid. If they had any skin left in the game at this level, they wouldn't be complaining. Rules are rules, and until the rules change, you'll have some age differences. Whether there was an advantage or not at the middle school level is irrelevant now, as this age group is in HS. If someone doesn't like the rules, grad year vs. age, etc.. blah blah blah, go do something about it, or simply STFU, because the system drives the issue, not the players that play within it..

This is not a holdback. The kid is in 7th grade. Last year he was on the team as a 6th grader when the league was for 5th graders. Everyone knows they are littered with holdbacks. This is the next step in the Crabs cheatbook. Basically, we don't care what grade you are in. Just tell us what grade you want to play against and we are ok with it.

BS, just stop. Seriously, take a deep look in the mirror and just stop. There is no such thing as holdbacks anymore, just kids with better educations that went to pre-first. Stop whining. Go enjoy mediocrity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ignore this joker who has nothing left to do but waste time attacking another family and a kid. If they had any skin left in the game at this level, they wouldn't be complaining. Rules are rules, and until the rules change, you'll have some age differences. Whether there was an advantage or not at the middle school level is irrelevant now, as this age group is in HS. If someone doesn't like the rules, grad year vs. age, etc.. blah blah blah, go do something about it, or simply STFU, because the system drives the issue, not the players that play within it..

This is not a holdback. The kid is in 7th grade. Last year he was on the team as a 6th grader when the league was for 5th graders. Everyone knows they are littered with holdbacks. This is the next step in the Crabs cheatbook. Basically, we don't care what grade you are in. Just tell us what grade you want to play against and we are ok with it.

You do realize that Crabs is not a school correct? There is a tryout and the best kids make the team. There is not a school placement counselor at the tryout registration table. Looneys - not a school. FCA - not a school either. Private school kids tend to be an average of a year older because they do prefirst, or sometimes repeat a grade prior to HS, because they are super behind when they transfer into a class that has kids that basically all did prefirst. So the lax clubs you hate, that are flooded with private school kids, are not cheating, they just pick up the best kids at tryouts (go figure, the typically bigger/stronger kids). You have an issue with the system, but you criticize the clubs. Should clubs not take the best kids that qualify within the rules?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ignore this joker who has nothing left to do but waste time attacking another family and a kid. If they had any skin left in the game at this level, they wouldn't be complaining. Rules are rules, and until the rules change, you'll have some age differences. Whether there was an advantage or not at the middle school level is irrelevant now, as this age group is in HS. If someone doesn't like the rules, grad year vs. age, etc.. blah blah blah, go do something about it, or simply STFU, because the system drives the issue, not the players that play within it..

This is not a holdback. The kid is in 7th grade. Last year he was on the team as a 6th grader when the league was for 5th graders. Everyone knows they are littered with holdbacks. This is the next step in the Crabs cheatbook. Basically, we don't care what grade you are in. Just tell us what grade you want to play against and we are ok with it.

BS, just stop. Seriously, take a deep look in the mirror and just stop. There is no such thing as holdbacks anymore, just kids with better educations that went to pre-first. Stop whining. Go enjoy mediocrity.

It's not BS. I am not the OP, but I can confirm that there has been a kid playing for flat brim since Tyker rec lacrosse that is currently in 7th grade. I know because my he was in my sons class who is a 2022. He has not reclassed, though his parents have said year after year that he is going to. I'm sure he will repeat 8th grade somewhere but you shouldn't be allowed to play down because he "expects" to graduate in 2023. Now we are really starting to bend the rules here. He would be very undersized for 2022 but he is very good playing against 2023's that are his size. Holdbacks are one thing, but this is flat out cheating and they should forfeit every game they play until the kid does reclass or is moved up to the 2022 team where he belongs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ignore this joker who has nothing left to do but waste time attacking another family and a kid. If they had any skin left in the game at this level, they wouldn't be complaining. Rules are rules, and until the rules change, you'll have some age differences. Whether there was an advantage or not at the middle school level is irrelevant now, as this age group is in HS. If someone doesn't like the rules, grad year vs. age, etc.. blah blah blah, go do something about it, or simply STFU, because the system drives the issue, not the players that play within it..

This is not a holdback. The kid is in 7th grade. Last year he was on the team as a 6th grader when the league was for 5th graders. Everyone knows they are littered with holdbacks. This is the next step in the Crabs cheatbook. Basically, we don't care what grade you are in. Just tell us what grade you want to play against and we are ok with it.

BS, just stop. Seriously, take a deep look in the mirror and just stop. There is no such thing as holdbacks anymore, just kids with better educations that went to pre-first. Stop whining. Go enjoy mediocrity.

It's not BS. I am not the OP, but I can confirm that there has been a kid playing for flat brim since Tyker rec lacrosse that is currently in 7th grade. I know because my he was in my sons class who is a 2022. He has not reclassed, though his parents have said year after year that he is going to. I'm sure he will repeat 8th grade somewhere but you shouldn't be allowed to play down because he "expects" to graduate in 2023. Now we are really starting to bend the rules here. He would be very undersized for 2022 but he is very good playing against 2023's that are his size. Holdbacks are one thing, but this is flat out cheating and they should forfeit every game they play until the kid does reclass or is moved up to the 2022 team where he belongs.

If this is true..lacrosse cant go much lower.. The whole grade base BS of playing down is out of control.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ignore this joker who has nothing left to do but waste time attacking another family and a kid. If they had any skin left in the game at this level, they wouldn't be complaining. Rules are rules, and until the rules change, you'll have some age differences. Whether there was an advantage or not at the middle school level is irrelevant now, as this age group is in HS. If someone doesn't like the rules, grad year vs. age, etc.. blah blah blah, go do something about it, or simply STFU, because the system drives the issue, not the players that play within it..

This is not a holdback. The kid is in 7th grade. Last year he was on the team as a 6th grader when the league was for 5th graders. Everyone knows they are littered with holdbacks. This is the next step in the Crabs cheatbook. Basically, we don't care what grade you are in. Just tell us what grade you want to play against and we are ok with it.

BS, just stop. Seriously, take a deep look in the mirror and just stop. There is no such thing as holdbacks anymore, just kids with better educations that went to pre-first. Stop whining. Go enjoy mediocrity.

Says the parent of a Crab holdback, who most likely didn't even hold back in pre 1 but more like 7th or 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ignore this joker who has nothing left to do but waste time attacking another family and a kid. If they had any skin left in the game at this level, they wouldn't be complaining. Rules are rules, and until the rules change, you'll have some age differences. Whether there was an advantage or not at the middle school level is irrelevant now, as this age group is in HS. If someone doesn't like the rules, grad year vs. age, etc.. blah blah blah, go do something about it, or simply STFU, because the system drives the issue, not the players that play within it..

This is not a holdback. The kid is in 7th grade. Last year he was on the team as a 6th grader when the league was for 5th graders. Everyone knows they are littered with holdbacks. This is the next step in the Crabs cheatbook. Basically, we don't care what grade you are in. Just tell us what grade you want to play against and we are ok with it.

BS, just stop. Seriously, take a deep look in the mirror and just stop. There is no such thing as holdbacks anymore, just kids with better educations that went to pre-first. Stop whining. Go enjoy mediocrity.

It's not BS. I am not the OP, but I can confirm that there has been a kid playing for flat brim since Tyker rec lacrosse that is currently in 7th grade. I know because my he was in my sons class who is a 2022. He has not reclassed, though his parents have said year after year that he is going to. I'm sure he will repeat 8th grade somewhere but you shouldn't be allowed to play down because he "expects" to graduate in 2023. Now we are really starting to bend the rules here. He would be very undersized for 2022 but he is very good playing against 2023's that are his size. Holdbacks are one thing, but this is flat out cheating and they should forfeit every game they play until the kid does reclass or is moved up to the 2022 team where he belongs.

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Crabs 2023 does not have a single kid in 7th grade. It just isn't true. Don't believe everything you read, find out for yourself. If you take the time to look into all of the club teams you will realize it is the same everywhere. Each club has kids that were held back for whatever reason. Each team has a few teams that are really good and some that are still developing. The Crabs 2023 is a very talented team with a group of talented players from all over Maryland. They practice and work together and it shows. More than half of these kids are still eleven. They are just a good team...that's it...that's all. Try worrying about developing your players and practice more. Try getting a really strong coaching staff dedicated to the development of each and every player. Stop making excuses as to why you think another team is winning and you are not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2023 does not have a single kid in 7th grade. It just isn't true. Don't believe everything you read, find out for yourself. If you take the time to look into all of the club teams you will realize it is the same everywhere. Each club has kids that were held back for whatever reason. Each team has a few teams that are really good and some that are still developing. The Crabs 2023 is a very talented team with a group of talented players from all over Maryland. They practice and work together and it shows. More than half of these kids are still eleven. They are just a good team...that's it...that's all. Try worrying about developing your players and practice more. Try getting a really strong coaching staff dedicated to the development of each and every player. Stop making excuses as to why you think another team is winning and you are not.

That would be a first since Crabs teams are usually just run of the mill until kids start holding back and getting poached from other teams, usually around 8th grade.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Before when it was just age based teams, Crabs always had top talent. Yes, they have as many holdbacks as anyone, but dearth of talent has never been an issue.

You have a myopic view of the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2023 does not have a single kid in 7th grade. It just isn't true. Don't believe everything you read, find out for yourself. If you take the time to look into all of the club teams you will realize it is the same everywhere. Each club has kids that were held back for whatever reason. Each team has a few teams that are really good and some that are still developing. The Crabs 2023 is a very talented team with a group of talented players from all over Maryland. They practice and work together and it shows. More than half of these kids are still eleven. They are just a good team...that's it...that's all. Try worrying about developing your players and practice more. Try getting a really strong coaching staff dedicated to the development of each and every player. Stop making excuses as to why you think another team is winning and you are not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2023 does not have a single kid in 7th grade. It just isn't true. Don't believe everything you read, find out for yourself. If you take the time to look into all of the club teams you will realize it is the same everywhere. Each club has kids that were held back for whatever reason. Each team has a few teams that are really good and some that are still developing. The Crabs 2023 is a very talented team with a group of talented players from all over Maryland. They practice and work together and it shows. More than half of these kids are still eleven. They are just a good team...that's it...that's all. Try worrying about developing your players and practice more. Try getting a really strong coaching staff dedicated to the development of each and every player. Stop making excuses as to why you think another team is winning and you are not.

A lot of bs on this site but unfortunately for Crabs, this one is 100 percent true.

It's just not true! THERE ARE NO 7th GRADERS ON THE CRABS 2023 TEAM! Now what excuse can you possibly have for losing. I should hope educated people would find out facts before believing a bunch of jealous dad's on an anonymous forum. Don't make excuses because your team, your kid or your club isn't winning. You clearly have an issue and your facts are false. Try working on yourself...yes, self reflection would do you some good. So concerned about a team and one kid, on a team your not even a part of...that's just plain...WEIRD

Regardless of the 2023 player in question, there was absolutely a kid in 7th grade playing on the 6th grade 2022 team last year. He is now on the 8th grade team of another club playing in his proper grade.

Wouldn't be shocking if Crabs was doing it again this year.

Crabs and any other miaa feeder clubs are not taking kids more than 1 year and older than the 9/1 cutoff date or else they won't play their senior year. (Unless they play it at Deerfield or Hill or Culver)

It is no worse than the USL combined year age brackets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's just not true! THERE ARE NO 7th GRADERS ON THE CRABS 2023 TEAM! Now what excuse can you possibly have for losing. I should hope educated people would find out facts before believing a bunch of jealous dad's on an anonymous forum. Don't make excuses because your team, your kid or your club isn't winning. You clearly have an issue and your facts are false. Try working on yourself...yes, self reflection would do you some good. So concerned about a team and one kid, on a team your not even a part of...that's just plain...WEIRD

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not an accurate statement. Not true at all.

Why continue to make up excuses...why? This is a talented group of young men who play together as a team. Not one kid is in 7th grade...not one!

But 1/2 of the team should be...you can not defend your self against the fact that the Crabs are notorious with hold backs. Your right it is the systems fault not the kids (although it has to be awkward repeating a grade) ...until tournaments decide to use DOB and not grade it is what it is.

I understand your point about the "system". However, you need to understand criticism of the Crabs comes from the fact that they are the forefront of, maybe even created, the culture of hold backs, playing down for advantage, etc. And then bragged about how they were the best! I have older kids, and this was a little known fact outside of the MIAA until exposed more fully on these boards.

I've learned a lot from this site. One of the biggest is, "play up to get better; play down to look better."

Good luck with rules changes. Too late for my kids, but hopefully not too late to fix the sport.

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

We all know that Crabs are cheaters and always have been. Manipulating the system that they helped start. You may want to come off that high horse and ranting about D-1 players on a 11-12 year old team , or in your case 12-13 year olds. It is a known fact that team is filled with them and it can not be denied by you or anyone else on these forms. It is what it is , just don't come on here bragging about it because it makes you look very stupid. So keep that chopper flying high over your kid .. and yes the kids are all great! Its parents like you that [lacrosse] them and yourelf ..Remember That!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

That's how out of touch with reality you are. A handful at most will go D1. Ryan is already out there recruiting replacements if he sees better players on other teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

That's how out of touch with reality you are. A handful at most will go D1. Ryan is already out there recruiting replacements if he sees better players on other teams.

We are OK with that... That's why we play Crabs... If you are not good enough then you will be replaced... If you want Daddy Ball go play for Looneys or FCA.... Plenty of Daddy Ball over there.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

We all know that Crabs are cheaters and always have been. Manipulating the system that they helped start. You may want to come off that high horse and ranting about D-1 players on a 11-12 year old team , or in your case 12-13 year olds. It is a known fact that team is filled with them and it can not be denied by you or anyone else on these forms. It is what it is , just don't come on here bragging about it because it makes you look very stupid. So keep that chopper flying high over your kid .. and yes the kids are all great! Its parents like you that [lacrosse] them and yourself ..Remember That!

Please come to our games and talk like you do on this forum on our sidelines... I would to beat the [lacrosse] out of you...Pretentious [lacrosse]...Don't you have a Presidential election to protest....[lacrosse]

The best team in country doesn't lose the Next Level by 4 goals in summer and then barely beats them in the fall with a new, improved, older roster. Leave the top spot to Bandits

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

I know a few of the Crabs parents and agree that the 2023 team is very good. To say that they are one of the best in the country is a severe stretch. Who have they played this fall? Mediocre competition at best. To say that 99.9% of the players will go D1 is absolutely delusional. I bet that 50% of this team will not even be playing for Crabs by the 9th grade. Just saying...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

We all know that Crabs are cheaters and always have been. Manipulating the system that they helped start. You may want to come off that high horse and ranting about D-1 players on a 11-12 year old team , or in your case 12-13 year olds. It is a known fact that team is filled with them and it can not be denied by you or anyone else on these forms. It is what it is , just don't come on here bragging about it because it makes you look very stupid. So keep that chopper flying high over your kid .. and yes the kids are all great! Its parents like you that [lacrosse] them and yourself ..Remember That!

Please come to our games and talk like you do on this forum on our sidelines... I would to beat the [lacrosse] out of you...Pretentious [lacrosse]...Don't you have a Presidential election to protest....[lacrosse]

Coming from another Crabs parent, this dude is a d-bag 100%! He's not fighting anything, except people anonymously on this stupid forum, computer tough guy! We all get a kick out of him! Having the best 11 year old team is meaningless in any sport. Come on back in three years when you are humbled and wiser. Try to enjoy it while it lasts, instead of obsessing and living vicariously through your kid. 1/2 of these kids won't grow much more, and a good portion of the other half simply won't outlast bigger/better talent over the next few years. A couple will get to the level you speak of, but seriously, get a grasp on reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

We all know that Crabs are cheaters and always have been. Manipulating the system that they helped start. You may want to come off that high horse and ranting about D-1 players on a 11-12 year old team , or in your case 12-13 year olds. It is a known fact that team is filled with them and it can not be denied by you or anyone else on these forms. It is what it is , just don't come on here bragging about it because it makes you look very stupid. So keep that chopper flying high over your kid .. and yes the kids are all great! Its parents like you that [lacrosse] them and yourself ..Remember That!

Please come to our games and talk like you do on this forum on our sidelines... I would to beat the [lacrosse] out of you...Pretentious [lacrosse]...Don't you have a Presidential election to protest....[lacrosse]

My point exactly ^^^^^^ Im sure Crabs Club loves you coming on here threatening people and asking for a fight at one of there games. Pathetic and embarrassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

That's how out of touch with reality you are. A handful at most will go D1. Ryan is already out there recruiting replacements if he sees better players on other teams.

We are OK with that... That's why we play Crabs... If you are not good enough then you will be replaced... If you want Daddy Ball go play for Looneys or FCA.... Plenty of Daddy Ball over there.....

Funny. pretty sure Flat Brim has a kid on your team. Isn't that daddy ball? Looks like someone touched a nerve with you guys. You were comfortable with the holdbacks but now that it is out that you actually have a 2022 on the 2023 team, you are coming undone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

We all know that Crabs are cheaters and always have been. Manipulating the system that they helped start. You may want to come off that high horse and ranting about D-1 players on a 11-12 year old team , or in your case 12-13 year olds. It is a known fact that team is filled with them and it can not be denied by you or anyone else on these forms. It is what it is , just don't come on here bragging about it because it makes you look very stupid. So keep that chopper flying high over your kid .. and yes the kids are all great! Its parents like you that [lacrosse] them and yourself ..Remember That!

Please come to our games and talk like you do on this forum on our sidelines... I would to beat the [lacrosse] out of you...Pretentious [lacrosse]...Don't you have a Presidential election to protest....[lacrosse]

My point exactly ^^^^^^ Im sure Crabs Club loves you coming on here threatening people and asking for a fight at one of there games. Pathetic and embarrassing.

In case you have not noticed but this is an anonymous forum... Please don't pretend for a second that you know you are talking to someone from this team...Most likely someone or some kid trying to start things...For that matter it could be you starting stuff and pretending to be a Crabs parent....Get real.... This site is not real life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

We all know that Crabs are cheaters and always have been. Manipulating the system that they helped start. You may want to come off that high horse and ranting about D-1 players on a 11-12 year old team , or in your case 12-13 year olds. It is a known fact that team is filled with them and it can not be denied by you or anyone else on these forms. It is what it is , just don't come on here bragging about it because it makes you look very stupid. So keep that chopper flying high over your kid .. and yes the kids are all great! Its parents like you that [lacrosse] them and yourself ..Remember That!

Please come to our games and talk like you do on this forum on our sidelines... I would to beat the [lacrosse] out of you...Pretentious [lacrosse]...Don't you have a Presidential election to protest....[lacrosse]

Coming from another Crabs parent, this dude is a d-bag 100%! He's not fighting anything, except people anonymously on this stupid forum, computer tough guy! We all get a kick out of him! Having the best 11 year old team is meaningless in any sport. Come on back in three years when you are humbled and wiser. Try to enjoy it while it lasts, instead of obsessing and living vicariously through your kid. 1/2 of these kids won't grow much more, and a good portion of the other half simply won't outlast bigger/better talent over the next few years. A couple will get to the level you speak of, but seriously, get a grasp on reality.

Oh yea...Well your ugly and fat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

We all know that Crabs are cheaters and always have been. Manipulating the system that they helped start. You may want to come off that high horse and ranting about D-1 players on a 11-12 year old team , or in your case 12-13 year olds. It is a known fact that team is filled with them and it can not be denied by you or anyone else on these forms. It is what it is , just don't come on here bragging about it because it makes you look very stupid. So keep that chopper flying high over your kid .. and yes the kids are all great! Its parents like you that [lacrosse] them and yourself ..Remember That!

Please come to our games and talk like you do on this forum on our sidelines... I would to beat the [lacrosse] out of you...Pretentious [lacrosse]...Don't you have a Presidential election to protest....[lacrosse]

My point exactly ^^^^^^ Im sure Crabs Club loves you coming on here threatening people and asking for a fight at one of there games. Pathetic and embarrassing.

Trsut me.....No one from Crabs reads or takes serious any of the Garbage that goes on here..... Meaningless talk and BS... But you keep talking like people from Crabs care what you have to say....Don't let me stop you.....

Congrats Crabs 2023 and Next Level 2023..If they are talking smack about you on BOC it usually means your team is the real deal...Nice work boys..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats Crabs 2023 and Next Level 2023..If they are talking smack about you on BOC it usually means your team is the real deal...Nice work boys..

When someone makes a statement like "The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group" what do you expect?

Crabs 2029, totally dominant, discuss...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

We all know that Crabs are cheaters and always have been. Manipulating the system that they helped start. You may want to come off that high horse and ranting about D-1 players on a 11-12 year old team , or in your case 12-13 year olds. It is a known fact that team is filled with them and it can not be denied by you or anyone else on these forms. It is what it is , just don't come on here bragging about it because it makes you look very stupid. So keep that chopper flying high over your kid .. and yes the kids are all great! Its parents like you that [lacrosse] them and yourself ..Remember That!

Please come to our games and talk like you do on this forum on our sidelines... I would to beat the [lacrosse] out of you...Pretentious [lacrosse]...Don't you have a Presidential election to protest....[lacrosse]

Coming from another Crabs parent, this dude is a d-bag 100%! He's not fighting anything, except people anonymously on this stupid forum, computer tough guy! We all get a kick out of him! Having the best 11 year old team is meaningless in any sport. Come on back in three years when you are humbled and wiser. Try to enjoy it while it lasts, instead of obsessing and living vicariously through your kid. 1/2 of these kids won't grow much more, and a good portion of the other half simply won't outlast bigger/better talent over the next few years. A couple will get to the level you speak of, but seriously, get a grasp on reality.

Oh yea...Well your ugly and fat

It is "you're". Like- "You're" a world class loser who gets beat up on the sideline. Or- "You're" an embarrassment to your family and the sport of lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

We all know that Crabs are cheaters and always have been. Manipulating the system that they helped start. You may want to come off that high horse and ranting about D-1 players on a 11-12 year old team , or in your case 12-13 year olds. It is a known fact that team is filled with them and it can not be denied by you or anyone else on these forms. It is what it is , just don't come on here bragging about it because it makes you look very stupid. So keep that chopper flying high over your kid .. and yes the kids are all great! Its parents like you that [lacrosse] them and yourself ..Remember That!

Please come to our games and talk like you do on this forum on our sidelines... I would to beat the [lacrosse] out of you...Pretentious [lacrosse]...Don't you have a Presidential election to protest....[lacrosse]

My point exactly ^^^^^^ Im sure Crabs Club loves you coming on here threatening people and asking for a fight at one of there games. Pathetic and embarrassing.

Trsut me.....No one from Crabs reads or takes serious any of the Garbage that goes on here..... Meaningless talk and BS... But you keep talking like people from Crabs care what you have to say....Don't let me stop you.....

Except for the person who started this thread right? just like no one really believes you when you say the entire team is D-1 players. or that there is no Hold backs.
this entire form has everyone from the Crabs program on it.
pathetic--again

These discussions on 6th graders and held back 7th graders are Hilarious.
Crabs have the reputation they have for a reason. Ask someone not related to lacrosse about the grade base system of today..And they all laugh and say what a bunch of cheaters. But it does produce results!

Do the Crab parents have to put down their red solo cups to fight? The kids may be good lacrosse players but the parents are embarrassing representations of Maryland. Please be role models for your kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the Crab parents have to put down their red solo cups to fight? The kids may be good lacrosse players but the parents are embarrassing representations of Maryland. Please be role models for your kids

Hey Hey Hey relax with the bashing of the red solo cups. Adults can drink adult drinks as long as they still act like adults when they drink them!

Crabs are a sad joke. Not even worth discussing. Once age based classification happens their perceived dominance will end with a whimper and RM can go crawl back into his bag of pork rinds for the rest of his life. Z4nwsd

Not true. Read the rules posted for any event and they all prohibit alcohol. Some parents just want to act like they are in high school and sneak in drinks rather than set a good example for all of the kids. Alcohol and youth sports are a bad combination. If you can't watch your kids play sports without drinking you need to see a counselor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true. Read the rules posted for any event and they all prohibit alcohol. Some parents just want to act like they are in high school and sneak in drinks rather than set a good example for all of the kids. Alcohol and youth sports are a bad combination. If you can't watch your kids play sports without drinking you need to see a counselor.

This guy sounds like so much fun. Your life must be so boring. have fun live a little you old stick in the mud.

You people keep Orville Redenbacher in business.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best team in country doesn't lose the Next Level by 4 goals in summer and then barely beats them in the fall with a new, improved, older roster. Leave the top spot to Bandits

Igloo would destroy them, too. Probably Express, Warriors and Shore2Shore from up north as well. Losing to Next Level?? C'mon, guy. You can't lose to a team like that and EVER make the proclamation that you're anything more than a top 10-15 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

I know a few of the Crabs parents and agree that the 2023 team is very good. To say that they are one of the best in the country is a severe stretch. Who have they played this fall? Mediocre competition at best. To say that 99.9% of the players will go D1 is absolutely delusional. I bet that 50% of this team will not even be playing for Crabs by the 9th grade. Just saying...

50% is a VERY conservative number. Look at how most top teams evolve. The real number is historically closer to <30%. That's the reality that most first time travel parents don't understand. They can't imagine that happening and will swear "not to MY kid", but happen it most assuredly will. But please, let this jerkoff have his day. In two years his kid will hate him AND lacrosse because of all the pressure thrown upon him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best team in country doesn't lose the Next Level by 4 goals in summer and then barely beats them in the fall with a new, improved, older roster. Leave the top spot to Bandits

Igloo would destroy them, too. Probably Express, Warriors and Shore2Shore from up north as well. Losing to Next Level?? C'mon, guy. You can't lose to a team like that and EVER make the proclamation that you're anything more than a top 10-15 team.

A little Bird told me Crabs 2023 beat I Igloo twice over the summer...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are a sad joke. Not even worth discussing. Once age based classification happens their perceived dominance will end with a whimper and RM can go crawl back into his bag of pork rinds for the rest of his life. Z4nwsd

Then why are you posting on a Crabs forum...Obsess much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

I know a few of the Crabs parents and agree that the 2023 team is very good. To say that they are one of the best in the country is a severe stretch. Who have they played this fall? Mediocre competition at best. To say that 99.9% of the players will go D1 is absolutely delusional. I bet that 50% of this team will not even be playing for Crabs by the 9th grade. Just saying...

50% is a VERY conservative number. Look at how most top teams evolve. The real number is historically closer to <30%. That's the reality that most first time travel parents don't understand. They can't imagine that happening and will swear "not to MY kid", but happen it most assuredly will. But please, let this jerkoff have his day. In two years his kid will hate him AND lacrosse because of all the pressure thrown upon him.

And you would know...Check out Crabs website and see their 2017 commits... Not sure how many kids on the actual roster but I count 20 kids all going to great D1 schools. That does not sound like 30%. I am sure this is just an anomaly though...I mean a parent obsessing and analyzing and continually posting on a Crabs forum has to no know better than anyone else...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best team in country doesn't lose the Next Level by 4 goals in summer and then barely beats them in the fall with a new, improved, older roster. Leave the top spot to Bandits

Igloo would destroy them, too. Probably Express, Warriors and Shore2Shore from up north as well. Losing to Next Level?? C'mon, guy. You can't lose to a team like that and EVER make the proclamation that you're anything more than a top 10-15 team.

I think you may be confused with Next Level teams... They did not loose to the Next Level team from Jersey... Next Level from Bethesda

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best team in country doesn't lose the Next Level by 4 goals in summer and then barely beats them in the fall with a new, improved, older roster. Leave the top spot to Bandits

Igloo would destroy them, too. Probably Express, Warriors and Shore2Shore from up north as well. Losing to Next Level?? C'mon, guy. You can't lose to a team like that and EVER make the proclamation that you're anything more than a top 10-15 team.

You may one to get off the Island their once in a while tough guy...C'mon guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true. Read the rules posted for any event and they all prohibit alcohol. Some parents just want to act like they are in high school and sneak in drinks rather than set a good example for all of the kids. Alcohol and youth sports are a bad combination. If you can't watch your kids play sports without drinking you need to see a counselor.

You make me want to drink....Boring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

I know a few of the Crabs parents and agree that the 2023 team is very good. To say that they are one of the best in the country is a severe stretch. Who have they played this fall? Mediocre competition at best. To say that 99.9% of the players will go D1 is absolutely delusional. I bet that 50% of this team will not even be playing for Crabs by the 9th grade. Just saying...

50% is a VERY conservative number. Look at how most top teams evolve. The real number is historically closer to <30%. That's the reality that most first time travel parents don't understand. They can't imagine that happening and will swear "not to MY kid", but happen it most assuredly will. But please, let this jerkoff have his day. In two years his kid will hate him AND lacrosse because of all the pressure thrown upon him.

And you would know...Check out Crabs website and see their 2017 commits... Not sure how many kids on the actual roster but I count 20 kids all going to great D1 schools. That does not sound like 30%. I am sure this is just an anomaly though...I mean a parent obsessing and analyzing and continually posting on a Crabs forum has to no know better than anyone else...

And typically from 6th grade to 9th grade there will be huge turnover, so yes, ultimately the D1 numbers will be high, but no, not for the current roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the Crab parents have to put down their red solo cups to fight? The kids may be good lacrosse players but the parents are embarrassing representations of Maryland. Please be role models for your kids

Oh Lord get off your high horse lady

I'm in county lock up - nothing else to do

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2023 team is probably one of the best if not the best team in the country at that age group. They proved that last year and this fall. It's usually the case in Maryland where teams are accused of indiscretions when they are the best.... Get over yourself parents.....I would say 99.9% of the players on this team will go D1... Remember their names and numbers....Great group of 11-12 year old kids....Kids!! You may want to remember that!

I know a few of the Crabs parents and agree that the 2023 team is very good. To say that they are one of the best in the country is a severe stretch. Who have they played this fall? Mediocre competition at best. To say that 99.9% of the players will go D1 is absolutely delusional. I bet that 50% of this team will not even be playing for Crabs by the 9th grade. Just saying...

50% is a VERY conservative number. Look at how most top teams evolve. The real number is historically closer to <30%. That's the reality that most first time travel parents don't understand. They can't imagine that happening and will swear "not to MY kid", but happen it most assuredly will. But please, let this jerkoff have his day. In two years his kid will hate him AND lacrosse because of all the pressure thrown upon him.

And you would know...Check out Crabs website and see their 2017 commits... Not sure how many kids on the actual roster but I count 20 kids all going to great D1 schools. That does not sound like 30%. I am sure this is just an anomaly though...I mean a parent obsessing and analyzing and continually posting on a Crabs forum has to no know better than anyone else...

And typically from 6th grade to 9th grade there will be huge turnover, so yes, ultimately the D1 numbers will be high, but no, not for the current roster.

Again you have no idea what you are talking about.. Crabs has only had 5th and 6th grade lacrosse for a couple of years...Before that it was only 7th and 8th grade plus High School teams.... You have no point with your reference to typically what happens in Crabs, because it has never happened yet....Again a sad parent posting things like Gospel....You are a complete Moron and obviously jealous of that team

Crabs had 16 year olds on an 8th grade team (2020) in the HOCO league. That says it all about this shameless organization...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best team in country doesn't lose the Next Level by 4 goals in summer and then barely beats them in the fall with a new, improved, older roster. Leave the top spot to Bandits

Igloo would destroy them, too. Probably Express, Warriors and Shore2Shore from up north as well. Losing to Next Level?? C'mon, guy. You can't lose to a team like that and EVER make the proclamation that you're anything more than a top 10-15 team.

I think you may be confused with Next Level teams... They did not loose to the Next Level team from Jersey... Next Level from Bethesda

Next Level Bethesda a good team....You may want to get off the Island every once in while....Lord knows that every number 1 team in the country lives in Long Island.... Not a parent on the Crabs 2023 team but I heard it was epic when they beat Igloo twice in the same weekend.... Cocky long Island parents could not get out of Maryland fast enough because they claimed they were number 1 in the country because they beat the Bandits..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best team in country doesn't lose the Next Level by 4 goals in summer and then barely beats them in the fall with a new, improved, older roster. Leave the top spot to Bandits

Igloo would destroy them, too. Probably Express, Warriors and Shore2Shore from up north as well. Losing to Next Level?? C'mon, guy. You can't lose to a team like that and EVER make the proclamation that you're anything more than a top 10-15 team.

I think you may be confused with Next Level teams... They did not loose to the Next Level team from Jersey... Next Level from Bethesda

Next Level Bethesda a good team....You may want to get off the Island every once in while....Lord knows that every number 1 team in the country lives in Long Island.... Not a parent on the Crabs 2023 team but I heard it was epic when they beat Igloo twice in the same weekend.... Cocky long Island parents could not get out of Maryland fast enough because they claimed they were number 1 in the country because they beat the Bandits..

Definitely best 2023 team in Maryland and I would go out on a limb and say they are one of the top teams in the country. Of course there are others but the Crabs 2023 team is absolutely one of the best around....Without a doubt...Haters gonna Hate... Continue on Nay Sayers...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs had 16 year olds on an 8th grade team (2020) in the HOCO league. That says it all about this shameless organization...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs had 16 year olds on an 8th grade team (2020) in the HOCO league. That says it all about this shameless organization...

What? OMG When did this happen? Give it a rest...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best team in country doesn't lose the Next Level by 4 goals in summer and then barely beats them in the fall with a new, improved, older roster. Leave the top spot to Bandits

Igloo would destroy them, too. Probably Express, Warriors and Shore2Shore from up north as well. Losing to Next Level?? C'mon, guy. You can't lose to a team like that and EVER make the proclamation that you're anything more than a top 10-15 team.

I think you may be confused with Next Level teams... They did not loose to the Next Level team from Jersey... Next Level from Bethesda

Next Level Bethesda a good team....You may want to get off the Island every once in while....Lord knows that every number 1 team in the country lives in Long Island.... Not a parent on the Crabs 2023 team but I heard it was epic when they beat Igloo twice in the same weekend.... Cocky long Island parents could not get out of Maryland fast enough because they claimed they were number 1 in the country because they beat the Bandits..

Crabs/Bandits seem like it would be a battle...Hope to see that one day

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Slander lawsuit coming....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

You may take BOTC to court but you would haven no case.

Carol Rose tried that threat and she got her [lacrosse] spanked real good from me. The yellow jacket owner was quickly put in her place.

Know the law before you post.

Hey, Hillary, find another blog to complain on...first it was Comey now its BotC?...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm in county lock up - nothing else to do

I hear Looneys is hiring when you get out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Because it is a forum, all of the comments are considered opinion.

Because 'Merica

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey, Hillary, find another blog to complain on...first it was Comey now its BotC?...

That was funny...perfect

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Crabs won't complain because they would have to prove the claims of what age and grades their kids are in are false. Lord knows they don't want everyone to see the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Slander lawsuit coming....

You and I both know there is no lawsuit coming...grow up or don't use BOTC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Ahh, spoken like a true Crabs parent of a holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs had 16 year olds on an 8th grade team (2020) in the HOCO league. That says it all about this shameless organization...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs had 16 year olds on an 8th grade team (2020) in the HOCO league. That says it all about this shameless organization...

What? OMG When did this happen? Give it a rest...

This past spring/summer. Pay attention and stop denying the truth. Like the movie line says "(Crab parents) can't handle the truth".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm in county lock up - nothing else to do

I hear Looneys is hiring when you get out

What, Looney's hire someone associated with Crabs? Never happen. Go back to Ryan McClernan, he will gladly hire felons.

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Slander lawsuit coming....

You and I both know there is no lawsuit coming...grow up or don't use BOTC.

Whatever....People are sued all of the time for Cyber Slander and Interent Bullying...Your site is no different....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm in county lock up - nothing else to do

I hear Looneys is hiring when you get out

What, Looney's hire someone associated with Crabs? Never happen. Go back to Ryan McClernan, he will gladly hire felons.

Another Slanderous post approved by BOTC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Slander lawsuit coming....

You and I both know there is no lawsuit coming...grow up or don't use BOTC.

Whatever....People are sued all of the time for Cyber Slander and Interent Bullying...Your site is no different....

Hanover man, you are not suing BOTC or anyone on this site..maybe your ranting helps, but your threats are as powerful and a fart in a wind storm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm in county lock up - nothing else to do

I hear Looneys is hiring when you get out

What, Looney's hire someone associated with Crabs? Never happen. Go back to Ryan McClernan, he will gladly hire felons.

Another Slanderous post approved by BOTC

Another moronic post by Hanover man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Slander lawsuit coming....

You and I both know there is no lawsuit coming...grow up or don't use BOTC.

Whatever....People are sued all of the time for Cyber Slander and Interent Bullying...Your site is no different....

Yes, Hanover sissy boi, my site is different. Why dont you try and sue me and see how successful you are? I'll even give you my Rockville address so it will be easy for you to effect service.

Tell me, do you feel frustrated yet?

Stop crying. Its a message board people can say what ever they want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm in county lock up - nothing else to do

I hear Looneys is hiring when you get out

What, Looney's hire someone associated with Crabs? Never happen. Go back to Ryan McClernan, he will gladly hire felons.

Another Slanderous post approved by BOTC

Sorry bunky boy, not even close to slanderous. How can it be when the TRUTH is being stated? And why do you spell slanderous with a capital S?

Funny Crabs & Looney's fighting when both have been passed by BLC in MD.

Holy [lacrosse]....the kid in question is in 6th grade. He was in 5th grade last year. Looneys already had HoCo check it out because they complained. The kid was in 5th last year and he is in 6 th this year! Your team just isn't that good anymore and you know why! Get used to it. Your team will have so much turnover after this year, you will have to move to A or B division like 2022 did. Then you can claim to win tournaments.... in the B division! Now that, is the truth! So, don't worry you won't have to play crabs anymore! I just solved your problem for you. You're welcome!

See what had happened was... the kid that Looneys is so upset about started off playing in 4 th grade with Looneys when he was actually in 5th grade. Ahhhh...remember! Yes, you do. When he followed good coaching to Crabs he reclassified!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny Crabs & Looney's fighting when both have been passed by BLC in MD.

What in the [lacrosse] are you talking about? You probably have no idea, just thought you needed to say something. Well, you succeeded, but it makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holy [lacrosse]....the kid in question is in 6th grade. He was in 5th grade last year. Looneys already had HoCo check it out because they complained. The kid was in 5th last year and he is in 6 th this year! Your team just isn't that good anymore and you know why! Get used to it. Your team will have so much turnover after this year, you will have to move to A or B division like 2022 did. Then you can claim to win tournaments.... in the B division! Now that, is the truth! So, don't worry you won't have to play crabs anymore! I just solved your problem for you. You're welcome!

Wrong again. Kid is a 7th grader playing in 6th grade league. No one has ever done anything about it but maybe HOCO will this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny Crabs & Looney's fighting when both have been passed by BLC in MD.

Only way BLC passes Looney's and even Crabs is when they are driving back to Bethesda with their tail between their legs.
BLC in the HOCO league, 2020 division played in B with a 2/4 record. Looney's and Crabs played 2020 elite division, won by Looney's. BLC no where close to that level of play. Below elite was AA1 and AA2, then A and finally B.
Keep dreaming.

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Larry Miller

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Slander lawsuit coming....

You and I both know there is no lawsuit coming...grow up or don't use BOTC.

Whatever....People are sued all of the time for Cyber Slander and Interent Bullying...Your site is no different....

Hanover man, you are not suing BOTC or anyone on this site..maybe your ranting helps, but your threats are as powerful and a fart in a wind storm.

That moment when the Refs start yelling at the parents...Awkward...Yup you are wrong and way out of line....Site promotes slander....Everyone knows it...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how BOTC can get away with not being legally responsible for some of the things that are said about clubs coaches and kids on the site... Although every post is anonymous but those anonymous posts have to be approved by someone? Usually Larry LarryMiller...How can it be legally justified to post such outrageous and for the most part false representations of clubs? If I own a club like say Crabs and or Looneys etc.....I'd be taking ya'll to court...Just saying

Because it is a forum, all of the comments are considered opinion.

Sue for what? There is still free speech isn't there? Our president calls women fat pigs, so I think I can call out a cheating holdback if I want.

Some numbers for you! My kid is a 2018 that played for the Crabs at U13. The team was comprised mostly of 7th graders and some 6th graders (20 kids). There was only one "true" 6th grader and he has since reclassed to 2020 Crabs - now at FCA. The other four 6th graders were pre-firsts if you go by the 8/31 cutoff date and are 2019 Crabs. Of the 15 7th graders four of them reclassed to 2019 Crabs. Of the 20 kids (15 7th graders) that were on that roster there are only 6 kids remaining from that team on the 2018's Crab team today. Of the 20 kids on that U13 Crabs team 12 of them are D1 commits at this point (2 of which are with other clubs) and there will be more to follow. The 2018 Crabs team today has many more commits from the additions over the past four years. But, for the gentleman that thinks the Crabs 2023 team is the best and they all will be D1 players as 6th graders - things change! Better players come along and kids get cut. That mature 6th grader might be a undersized 10th grader. Kids leave for other programs. Kids stop playing! It was a great experience playing for the Crabs, but I am glad it was during the U-13 age appropriate era.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some numbers for you! My kid is a 2018 that played for the Crabs at U13. The team was comprised mostly of 7th graders and some 6th graders (20 kids). There was only one "true" 6th grader and he has since reclassed to 2020 Crabs - now at FCA. The other four 6th graders were pre-firsts if you go by the 8/31 cutoff date and are 2019 Crabs. Of the 15 7th graders four of them reclassed to 2019 Crabs. Of the 20 kids (15 7th graders) that were on that roster there are only 6 kids remaining from that team on the 2018's Crab team today. Of the 20 kids on that U13 Crabs team 12 of them are D1 commits at this point (2 of which are with other clubs) and there will be more to follow. The 2018 Crabs team today has many more commits from the additions over the past four years. But, for the gentleman that thinks the Crabs 2023 team is the best and they all will be D1 players as 6th graders - things change! Better players come along and kids get cut. That mature 6th grader might be a undersized 10th grader. Kids leave for other programs. Kids stop playing! It was a great experience playing for the Crabs, but I am glad it was during the U-13 age appropriate era.

This post should be copied and pasted over and over again on this site. You can change the club name and it could easily apply to many other teams. But this also proves the point of the guy who complains about the kids reclassing. This information proves the point of it really works and really happens. And when a on age parent complains he has a point and he is not just Bit*hing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some numbers for you! My kid is a 2018 that played for the Crabs at U13. The team was comprised mostly of 7th graders and some 6th graders (20 kids). There was only one "true" 6th grader and he has since reclassed to 2020 Crabs - now at FCA. The other four 6th graders were pre-firsts if you go by the 8/31 cutoff date and are 2019 Crabs. Of the 15 7th graders four of them reclassed to 2019 Crabs. Of the 20 kids (15 7th graders) that were on that roster there are only 6 kids remaining from that team on the 2018's Crab team today. Of the 20 kids on that U13 Crabs team 12 of them are D1 commits at this point (2 of which are with other clubs) and there will be more to follow. The 2018 Crabs team today has many more commits from the additions over the past four years. But, for the gentleman that thinks the Crabs 2023 team is the best and they all will be D1 players as 6th graders - things change! Better players come along and kids get cut. That mature 6th grader might be a undersized 10th grader. Kids leave for other programs. Kids stop playing! It was a great experience playing for the Crabs, but I am glad it was during the U-13 age appropriate era.

This post should be copied and pasted over and over again on this site. You can change the club name and it could easily apply to many other teams. But this also proves the point of the guy who complains about the kids reclassing. This information proves the point of it really works and really happens. And when a on age parent complains he has a point and he is not just Bit*hing.

The flip side to that story is that there are several kids that have reclassed in the Crabs system that are still not, and may never be committed. Even if you have $ to burn, dropping $27k on an extra year of middle school for no reason has to sting.

Very sad the game is like this now. Crabs, FCA, LIE, West Coast Starz, 3D, .....all have some great lacrosse programs. The A teams and B teams ROCK in most cases....Its when there are multiple levels of temas the program gets diluted and the $$ grab starts up. Are there people who hold back, pay to play...cheat......YES....However, There are also soo many clubs that are PURE $$$ GRABS! It has become a BIG FOR PROFIT BUSINESS... PERIOD! It is BAD all the way around and all across the country. People drop more money in 1 month on club lacrosse than an entire college education used to cost a many universities. It has become SAD!

In the end, the cream always rises and the sludge just sinks to the bottom OR Quits. Lots of pretty boy rich kids and azzhat parents in the sport to go around (and in all aspects of life too) .....BUT there are still some INCREDIBLE coaches out there,,,,awesome club teams and good fun to be had. You just need to find them and say the [lacrosse] with all the hype & politics!!

The typical "rich kid" lacrosse tournament type is out there. Many times all you need to do is look at the parents and you will soon see why the spoiled prince is the way he is.....entitled and cocky.......the sport has plenty of them! The good thing is, the real world smacks em down real fast and they end up with nothing living back with mom and dad.

People are losing site of the end game....which is to USE LACROSSE to get a BETTER EDUCATION and go to a better school than you would have otherwise went. While you are there you get to become a better player / forge lifetime friendships that extend WAY beyond the lax field. Do this, and you will have accomplished the original goal.

OK,....nuff said....There are great people Everywhere,....you just need to weed out the azzhats & find them ....don't take all this "club...pay to play stuff" too serious and remember why you are out there in the first place....For me,...its the incredible time I get to spend with my kids. Everything else is BS!

Cheers!!!

Go UMASS!

Madlax is the ultimate money grab. Multiple teams for every grade. And everyone has read what that owner does to kids who dare leave his team.

Hopefully the end of early recruiting and the return to age based classification will bring some sanity back to the club scene. The fact that club owners condone and encourage reclassifying kids in order to gain an advantage over younger players in their effort to "sell the dream" of playing college lacrosse is a prime example of just how far off the track we've gone. Sportsmanship and integrity be damned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very sad the game is like this now. Crabs, FCA, LIE, West Coast Starz, 3D, .....all have some great lacrosse programs. The A teams and B teams ROCK in most cases....Its when there are multiple levels of temas the program gets diluted and the $$ grab starts up. Are there people who hold back, pay to play...cheat......YES....However, There are also soo many clubs that are PURE $$$ GRABS! It has become a BIG FOR PROFIT BUSINESS... PERIOD! It is BAD all the way around and all across the country. People drop more money in 1 month on club lacrosse than an entire college education used to cost a many universities. It has become SAD!

In the end, the cream always rises and the sludge just sinks to the bottom OR Quits. Lots of pretty boy rich kids and azzhat parents in the sport to go around (and in all aspects of life too) .....BUT there are still some INCREDIBLE coaches out there,,,,awesome club teams and good fun to be had. You just need to find them and say the [lacrosse] with all the hype & politics!!

The typical "rich kid" lacrosse tournament type is out there. Many times all you need to do is look at the parents and you will soon see why the spoiled prince is the way he is.....entitled and cocky.......the sport has plenty of them! The good thing is, the real world smacks em down real fast and they end up with nothing living back with mom and dad.

People are losing site of the end game....which is to USE LACROSSE to get a BETTER EDUCATION and go to a better school than you would have otherwise went. While you are there you get to become a better player / forge lifetime friendships that extend WAY beyond the lax field. Do this, and you will have accomplished the original goal.

OK,....nuff said....There are great people Everywhere,....you just need to weed out the azzhats & find them ....don't take all this "club...pay to play stuff" too serious and remember why you are out there in the first place....For me,...its the incredible time I get to spend with my kids. Everything else is BS!

Cheers!!!

Go UMASS!

Getting into a college you would not otherwise qualify for is a double edge sword. If a kid qualifies athletically but is ill equipped academically will this lead to success? This is very similar to affirmative action. The intent is good, but failure in academia is a very high likelihood. Parents need to understand that not every kid is Princeton material. In addition, every successful person did not go to great colleges. Sport teaches the kids how to work hard to succeed. If a kid works hard at his sport, he often works hard at school and will develop to his potential. This potential may not be a rocket scientist. I have seen many very successful contractors, which takes very good math skills. Do not get lost in the Ivys. Just my 2 cents from a parent who has been through the recruiting scam. Much more money in Merit and no stress of a full time job being on a Lacrosse team. I played D1. It is a more than a full time job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very sad the game is like this now. Crabs, FCA, LIE, West Coast Starz, 3D, .....all have some great lacrosse programs. The A teams and B teams ROCK in most cases....Its when there are multiple levels of temas the program gets diluted and the $$ grab starts up. Are there people who hold back, pay to play...cheat......YES....However, There are also soo many clubs that are PURE $$$ GRABS! It has become a BIG FOR PROFIT BUSINESS... PERIOD! It is BAD all the way around and all across the country. People drop more money in 1 month on club lacrosse than an entire college education used to cost a many universities. It has become SAD!

In the end, the cream always rises and the sludge just sinks to the bottom OR Quits. Lots of pretty boy rich kids and azzhat parents in the sport to go around (and in all aspects of life too) .....BUT there are still some INCREDIBLE coaches out there,,,,awesome club teams and good fun to be had. You just need to find them and say the [lacrosse] with all the hype & politics!!

The typical "rich kid" lacrosse tournament type is out there. Many times all you need to do is look at the parents and you will soon see why the spoiled prince is the way he is.....entitled and cocky.......the sport has plenty of them! The good thing is, the real world smacks em down real fast and they end up with nothing living back with mom and dad.

People are losing site of the end game....which is to USE LACROSSE to get a BETTER EDUCATION and go to a better school than you would have otherwise went. While you are there you get to become a better player / forge lifetime friendships that extend WAY beyond the lax field. Do this, and you will have accomplished the original goal.

OK,....nuff said....There are great people Everywhere,....you just need to weed out the azzhats & find them ....don't take all this "club...pay to play stuff" too serious and remember why you are out there in the first place....For me,...its the incredible time I get to spend with my kids. Everything else is BS!

Cheers!!!

Go UMASS!

Getting into a college you would not otherwise qualify for is a double edge sword. If a kid qualifies athletically but is ill equipped academically will this lead to success? This is very similar to affirmative action. The intent is good, but failure in academia is a very high likelihood. Parents need to understand that not every kid is Princeton material. In addition, every successful person did not go to great colleges. Sport teaches the kids how to work hard to succeed. If a kid works hard at his sport, he often works hard at school and will develop to his potential. This potential may not be a rocket scientist. I have seen many very successful contractors, which takes very good math skills. Do not get lost in the Ivys. Just my 2 cents from a parent who has been through the recruiting scam. Much more money in Merit and no stress of a full time job being on a Lacrosse team. I played D1. It is a more than a full time job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very sad the game is like this now. Crabs, FCA, LIE, West Coast Starz, 3D, .....all have some great lacrosse programs. The A teams and B teams ROCK in most cases....Its when there are multiple levels of temas the program gets diluted and the $$ grab starts up. Are there people who hold back, pay to play...cheat......YES....However, There are also soo many clubs that are PURE $$$ GRABS! It has become a BIG FOR PROFIT BUSINESS... PERIOD! It is BAD all the way around and all across the country. People drop more money in 1 month on club lacrosse than an entire college education used to cost a many universities. It has become SAD!

In the end, the cream always rises and the sludge just sinks to the bottom OR Quits. Lots of pretty boy rich kids and azzhat parents in the sport to go around (and in all aspects of life too) .....BUT there are still some INCREDIBLE coaches out there,,,,awesome club teams and good fun to be had. You just need to find them and say the [lacrosse] with all the hype & politics!!

The typical "rich kid" lacrosse tournament type is out there. Many times all you need to do is look at the parents and you will soon see why the spoiled prince is the way he is.....entitled and cocky.......the sport has plenty of them! The good thing is, the real world smacks em down real fast and they end up with nothing living back with mom and dad.

People are losing site of the end game....which is to USE LACROSSE to get a BETTER EDUCATION and go to a better school than you would have otherwise went. While you are there you get to become a better player / forge lifetime friendships that extend WAY beyond the lax field. Do this, and you will have accomplished the original goal.

OK,....nuff said....There are great people Everywhere,....you just need to weed out the azzhats & find them ....don't take all this "club...pay to play stuff" too serious and remember why you are out there in the first place....For me,...its the incredible time I get to spend with my kids. Everything else is BS!

Cheers!!!

Go UMASS!

Getting into a college you would not otherwise qualify for is a double edge sword. If a kid qualifies athletically but is ill equipped academically will this lead to success? This is very similar to affirmative action. The intent is good, but failure in academia is a very high likelihood. Parents need to understand that not every kid is Princeton material. In addition, every successful person did not go to great colleges. Sport teaches the kids how to work hard to succeed. If a kid works hard at his sport, he often works hard at school and will develop to his potential. This potential may not be a rocket scientist. I have seen many very successful contractors, which takes very good math skills. Do not get lost in the Ivys. Just my 2 cents from a parent who has been through the recruiting scam. Much more money in Merit and no stress of a full time job being on a Lacrosse team. I played D1. It is a more than a full time job.

So True my roommate went to play football at Princeton back in the early 90's and he struggled real bad. He wasn't Princeton Material and missed out on college experience.

The College experience? How about the fact he got a degree from Princeton and all the benefits that go along with it. Seems like a good tradeoff to me.

He may not have graduated.

Is Crabs doing Sunday Kooper's league for youth teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Crabs doing Sunday Kooper's league for youth teams?

No..6th 7th grade teams have all signed up for drivers education on Sunday. 8th grade needs to sign up for selective service on Sunday.so they are out too.

Written from a jealous dad whose son got cut

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Crabs doing Sunday Kooper's league for youth teams?

No..6th 7th grade teams have all signed up for drivers education on Sunday. 8th grade needs to sign up for selective service on Sunday.so they are out too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Written from a jealous dad whose son got cut

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Crabs doing Sunday Kooper's league for youth teams?

No..6th 7th grade teams have all signed up for drivers education on Sunday. 8th grade needs to sign up for selective service on Sunday.so they are out too.

Funniest post on BOC....it has to be tough knowing everyone credits all your success to using kids 1-2 years older to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Written from a jealous dad whose son got cut

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Crabs doing Sunday Kooper's league for youth teams?

No..6th 7th grade teams have all signed up for drivers education on Sunday. 8th grade needs to sign up for selective service on Sunday.so they are out too.

Funniest post on BOC....it has to be tough knowing everyone credits all your success to using kids 1-2 years older to win.

Not as tough as it must feel when you realize you will never play at that level.

Hello.....new to Lax and BOTC and from Balti. Who are the crabs and are they a legitimate club. What should I expect if I sign my son up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Written from a jealous dad whose son got cut

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Crabs doing Sunday Kooper's league for youth teams?

No..6th 7th grade teams have all signed up for drivers education on Sunday. 8th grade needs to sign up for selective service on Sunday.so they are out too.

Funniest post on BOC....it has to be tough knowing everyone credits all your success to using kids 1-2 years older to win.

Not as tough as it must feel when you realize you will never play at that level.

Who would want to play at a level that cheating Crabs plays at. Look at their 2020 team last spring/summer. Team made up of mostly holdbacks and maybe one or two double holdbacks. They were not a successful team in spite of all the cheating/manipulations done by no other than Ryan McClernan himself.
This club smells cheating from a mile away and everyone in the lacrosse community knows it. Sure, other clubs have a few holdbacks but nowhere near the extent of Crabs. Their entire business model is built around holdbacks, at any level.
Deny it all you want, everyone knows the truth except the Crabs parents/fans, who are in complete denial.
Now, let the pushback begin.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Written from a jealous dad whose son got cut

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Crabs doing Sunday Kooper's league for youth teams?

No..6th 7th grade teams have all signed up for drivers education on Sunday. 8th grade needs to sign up for selective service on Sunday.so they are out too.

Funniest post on BOC....it has to be tough knowing everyone credits all your success to using kids 1-2 years older to win.

Not as tough as it must feel when you realize you will never play at that level.

Who would want to play at a level that cheating Crabs plays at. Look at their 2020 team last spring/summer. Team made up of mostly holdbacks and maybe one or two double holdbacks. They were not a successful team in spite of all the cheating/manipulations done by no other than Ryan McClernan himself.
This club smells cheating from a mile away and everyone in the lacrosse community knows it. Sure, other clubs have a few holdbacks but nowhere near the extent of Crabs. Their entire business model is built around holdbacks, at any level.
Deny it all you want, everyone knows the truth except the Crabs parents/fans, who are in complete denial.
Now, let the pushback begin.

All the teams at that level are riddled with prefirst kids and kids that repeat later if they didn't do prefirst. It is unreasonable to call someone a cheater just because you don't like the league format. Whatever, why are you even on here, I guess this argument doesn't get any legs in your bracket, so you have to come on here with your fake tears.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Written from a jealous dad whose son got cut

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Crabs doing Sunday Kooper's league for youth teams?

No..6th 7th grade teams have all signed up for drivers education on Sunday. 8th grade needs to sign up for selective service on Sunday.so they are out too.

Funniest post on BOC....it has to be tough knowing everyone credits all your success to using kids 1-2 years older to win.

Not as tough as it must feel when you realize you will never play at that level.

Who would want to play at a level that cheating Crabs plays at. Look at their 2020 team last spring/summer. Team made up of mostly holdbacks and maybe one or two double holdbacks. They were not a successful team in spite of all the cheating/manipulations done by no other than Ryan McClernan himself.
This club smells cheating from a mile away and everyone in the lacrosse community knows it. Sure, other clubs have a few holdbacks but nowhere near the extent of Crabs. Their entire business model is built around holdbacks, at any level.
Deny it all you want, everyone knows the truth except the Crabs parents/fans, who are in complete denial.
Now, let the pushback begin.

You should have held back.

No money in Lacrosse boys. Money in Merit scholarships. This is a recording. Save your club dues and get a Tutor for your super star.

You should have held back. [/quote]

Sounds like you did and it didn't work or do any good. Probably too late to try again.

All the teams at that level are riddled with prefirst kids and kids that repeat later if they didn't do prefirst. It is unreasonable to call someone a cheater just because you don't like the league format. Whatever, why are you even on here, I guess this argument doesn't get any legs in your bracket, so you have to come on here with your fake tears. [/quote]

Sorry, but Crabs stinks of cheating at all levels. True, it is grade based and also true, most teams have a few holdbacks but not near the extent of Crab teams. It is part of their model on how they build teams and expand the holdbacks well beyond any other top tier team in Md. I know this for a fact so don't even try and question the validity of this. You know it is true and so do many others in the lax community. It has nothing to do with the league format, it is Crabs doing everything they can to exploit the league format and guidelines.
I don't have a bracket, as you suggested, it is a known fact about Crabs, regardless of which age bracket being discussed, so yes it does get "legs".
As for tears, none here, I would only have tears if my son ever said he wanted to play for Crabs, which, by the way, he never would. He has much more integrity than to have any desire to play for this sh*t organization

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams at that level are riddled with prefirst kids and kids that repeat later if they didn't do prefirst. It is unreasonable to call someone a cheater just because you don't like the league format. Whatever, why are you even on here, I guess this argument doesn't get any legs in your bracket, so you have to come on here with your fake tears.

Sorry, but Crabs stinks of cheating at all levels. True, it is grade based and also true, most teams have a few holdbacks but not near the extent of Crab teams. It is part of their model on how they build teams and expand the holdbacks well beyond any other top tier team in Md. I know this for a fact so don't even try and question the validity of this. You know it is true and so do many others in the lax community. It has nothing to do with the league format, it is Crabs doing everything they can to exploit the league format and guidelines.
I don't have a bracket, as you suggested, it is a known fact about Crabs, regardless of which age bracket being discussed, so yes it does get "legs".
As for tears, none here, I would only have tears if my son ever said he wanted to play for Crabs, which, by the way, he never would. He has much more integrity than to have any desire to play for this sh*t organization [/quote]

Your validity is under question. You should follow your son's lead, and just avoid, rather than whining on the forum. All the elite teams, the ones you don't play, have heard your BS argument enough to smell fake news when they hear it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams at that level are riddled with prefirst kids and kids that repeat later if they didn't do prefirst. It is unreasonable to call someone a cheater just because you don't like the league format. Whatever, why are you even on here, I guess this argument doesn't get any legs in your bracket, so you have to come on here with your fake tears.

Sorry, but Crabs stinks of cheating at all levels. True, it is grade based and also true, most teams have a few holdbacks but not near the extent of Crab teams. It is part of their model on how they build teams and expand the holdbacks well beyond any other top tier team in Md. I know this for a fact so don't even try and question the validity of this. You know it is true and so do many others in the lax community. It has nothing to do with the league format, it is Crabs doing everything they can to exploit the league format and guidelines.
I don't have a bracket, as you suggested, it is a known fact about Crabs, regardless of which age bracket being discussed, so yes it does get "legs".
As for tears, none here, I would only have tears if my son ever said he wanted to play for Crabs, which, by the way, he never would. He has much more integrity than to have any desire to play for this sh*t organization [/quote]

By your own argument, not cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams at that level are riddled with prefirst kids and kids that repeat later if they didn't do prefirst. It is unreasonable to call someone a cheater just because you don't like the league format. Whatever, why are you even on here, I guess this argument doesn't get any legs in your bracket, so you have to come on here with your fake tears.

Sorry, but Crabs stinks of cheating at all levels. True, it is grade based and also true, most teams have a few holdbacks but not near the extent of Crab teams. It is part of their model on how they build teams and expand the holdbacks well beyond any other top tier team in Md. I know this for a fact so don't even try and question the validity of this. You know it is true and so do many others in the lax community. It has nothing to do with the league format, it is Crabs doing everything they can to exploit the league format and guidelines.
I don't have a bracket, as you suggested, it is a known fact about Crabs, regardless of which age bracket being discussed, so yes it does get "legs".
As for tears, none here, I would only have tears if my son ever said he wanted to play for Crabs, which, by the way, he never would. He has much more integrity than to have any desire to play for this sh*t organization

Your validity is under question. You should follow your son's lead, and just avoid, rather than whining on the forum. All the elite teams, the ones you don't play, have heard your BS argument enough to smell fake news when they hear it. [/quote]. Typical Crab pushback. No whining at all, just stating known facts. Crabs stands out as the largest holdback offender of all elite teams. So, trump boy, not fake news or alternative facts, just well known truthful facts. Live with it, as I have no agenda, could care less what Crabs do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams at that level are riddled with prefirst kids and kids that repeat later if they didn't do prefirst. It is unreasonable to call someone a cheater just because you don't like the league format. Whatever, why are you even on here, I guess this argument doesn't get any legs in your bracket, so you have to come on here with your fake tears.

Sorry, but Crabs stinks of cheating at all levels. True, it is grade based and also true, most teams have a few holdbacks but not near the extent of Crab teams. It is part of their model on how they build teams and expand the holdbacks well beyond any other top tier team in Md. I know this for a fact so don't even try and question the validity of this. You know it is true and so do many others in the lax community. It has nothing to do with the league format, it is Crabs doing everything they can to exploit the league format and guidelines.
I don't have a bracket, as you suggested, it is a known fact about Crabs, regardless of which age bracket being discussed, so yes it does get "legs".
As for tears, none here, I would only have tears if my son ever said he wanted to play for Crabs, which, by the way, he never would. He has much more integrity than to have any desire to play for this sh*t organization

Your validity is under question. You should follow your son's lead, and just avoid, rather than whining on the forum. All the elite teams, the ones you don't play, have heard your BS argument enough to smell fake news when they hear it.

. Typical Crab pushback. No whining at all, just stating known facts. Crabs stands out as the largest holdback offender of all elite teams. So, trump boy, not fake news or alternative facts, just well known truthful facts. Live with it, as I have no agenda, could care less what Crabs do. [/quote]

You care enough to have a position and carry on an argument, so I contend that you could care much less if you tried. Other than separating public and private kids, there is no way past this argument, as the average age is always going to be about a year apart. FCA, Looneys, Madlax, and others all in the same boat. Best teams pick up best kids. Edge Canada is one full year ahead of everyone based on their curriculum, so in many cases those kids are two years apart when they come down and play by our grad year system, which gives our kids a great challenge. You obviously have an issue with Crabs, which is fine, but I have an issue with your argument based on facts, which is fine too.

I have an issue with Crabs when they cheat - which is basically everyday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have an issue with Crabs when they cheat - which is basically everyday.

I have an issue with Crabs when they don't have J.O. seasoning!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have an issue with Crabs when they cheat - which is basically everyday.

You not liking them is not them cheating. Accusing them of cheating would be you lying.

I hear penicillin will cure that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have an issue with Crabs when they cheat - which is basically everyday.

You should have been more careful. How did your wife handle?

Sorry pal - dropping down 5 of your 2019s to the 2020 team at Beach lax v. 91 is cheating. Allowing a 16 year old to play on an 8th grade team is cheating. Stacking brackets at your tournament so you waltz into semi-finals is cheating. If you aint cheatin - you aint tryin!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry pal - dropping down 5 of your 2019s to the 2020 team at Beach lax v. 91 is cheating. Allowing a 16 year old to play on an 8th grade team is cheating. Stacking brackets at your tournament so you waltz into semi-finals is cheating. If you aint cheatin - you aint tryin!

While not accurate, even your examples are not cheating. I think it is if you are not lying you are not trying, so you get an A for effort. Have fun still playing beach lax, though, it's your year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry pal - dropping down 5 of your 2019s to the 2020 team at Beach lax v. 91 is cheating. Allowing a 16 year old to play on an 8th grade team is cheating. Stacking brackets at your tournament so you waltz into semi-finals is cheating. If you aint cheatin - you aint tryin!

While not accurate, even your examples are not cheating.

That's just called Tuesday in Crab country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams at that level are riddled with prefirst kids and kids that repeat later if they didn't do prefirst. It is unreasonable to call someone a cheater just because you don't like the league format. Whatever, why are you even on here, I guess this argument doesn't get any legs in your bracket, so you have to come on here with your fake tears.

Sorry, but Crabs stinks of cheating at all levels. True, it is grade based and also true, most teams have a few holdbacks but not near the extent of Crab teams. It is part of their model on how they build teams and expand the holdbacks well beyond any other top tier team in Md. I know this for a fact so don't even try and question the validity of this. You know it is true and so do many others in the lax community. It has nothing to do with the league format, it is Crabs doing everything they can to exploit the league format and guidelines.
I don't have a bracket, as you suggested, it is a known fact about Crabs, regardless of which age bracket being discussed, so yes it does get "legs".
As for tears, none here, I would only have tears if my son ever said he wanted to play for Crabs, which, by the way, he never would. He has much more integrity than to have any desire to play for this sh*t organization

Your validity is under question. You should follow your son's lead, and just avoid, rather than whining on the forum. All the elite teams, the ones you don't play, have heard your BS argument enough to smell fake news when they hear it.

. Typical Crab pushback. No whining at all, just stating known facts. Crabs stands out as the largest holdback offender of all elite teams. So, trump boy, not fake news or alternative facts, just well known truthful facts. Live with it, as I have no agenda, could care less what Crabs do.

You care enough to have a position and carry on an argument, so I contend that you could care much less if you tried. Other than separating public and private kids, there is no way past this argument, as the average age is always going to be about a year apart. FCA, Looneys, Madlax, and others all in the same boat. Best teams pick up best kids. Edge Canada is one full year ahead of everyone based on their curriculum, so in many cases those kids are two years apart when they come down and play by our grad year system, which gives our kids a great challenge. You obviously have an issue with Crabs, which is fine, but I have an issue with your argument based on facts, which is fine too. [/quote] edge is like this born 2000=2019 2001=2020 2002=2021 there are no kids two years older unless someone is playing up a year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams at that level are riddled with prefirst kids and kids that repeat later if they didn't do prefirst. It is unreasonable to call someone a cheater just because you don't like the league format. Whatever, why are you even on here, I guess this argument doesn't get any legs in your bracket, so you have to come on here with your fake tears.

Sorry, but Crabs stinks of cheating at all levels. True, it is grade based and also true, most teams have a few holdbacks but not near the extent of Crab teams. It is part of their model on how they build teams and expand the holdbacks well beyond any other top tier team in Md. I know this for a fact so don't even try and question the validity of this. You know it is true and so do many others in the lax community. It has nothing to do with the league format, it is Crabs doing everything they can to exploit the league format and guidelines.
I don't have a bracket, as you suggested, it is a known fact about Crabs, regardless of which age bracket being discussed, so yes it does get "legs".
As for tears, none here, I would only have tears if my son ever said he wanted to play for Crabs, which, by the way, he never would. He has much more integrity than to have any desire to play for this sh*t organization

Your validity is under question. You should follow your son's lead, and just avoid, rather than whining on the forum. All the elite teams, the ones you don't play, have heard your BS argument enough to smell fake news when they hear it.

. Typical Crab pushback. No whining at all, just stating known facts. Crabs stands out as the largest holdback offender of all elite teams. So, trump boy, not fake news or alternative facts, just well known truthful facts. Live with it, as I have no agenda, could care less what Crabs do.

You care enough to have a position and carry on an argument, so I contend that you could care much less if you tried. Other than separating public and private kids, there is no way past this argument, as the average age is always going to be about a year apart. FCA, Looneys, Madlax, and others all in the same boat. Best teams pick up best kids. Edge Canada is one full year ahead of everyone based on their curriculum, so in many cases those kids are two years apart when they come down and play by our grad year system, which gives our kids a great challenge. You obviously have an issue with Crabs, which is fine, but I have an issue with your argument based on facts, which is fine too.

edge is like this born 2000=2019 2001=2020 2002=2021 there are no kids two years older unless someone is playing up a year [/quote]

So in the USA, I guess we are lazy, and we just say 2 when it is a 14 and 16 year old.

Please tell me which of those thing are not true:

1) Beachlax - well documented
2) 16 year old on an 8th grade team - middie, not committed, Gilman
3) Cakewalk brackets when Fat Crab is running the show - too many examples to count. Take a look at this year's Crabfeast brackets once they are released

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please tell me which of those thing are not true:

1) Beachlax - well documented
2) 16 year old on an 8th grade team - middie, not committed, Gilman
3) Cakewalk brackets when Fat Crab is running the show - too many examples to count. Take a look at this year's Crabfeast brackets once they are released

1. All 2020 kids. School ended, new enrollment year begins. No cheating.
2. 2020 kid. No cheating.
3. You don't even state an example, while stating too many to count, if you are wasting your time being on here, why not state an example. No cheating.

Again, you not liking something does not make it cheating. The fact that any of those 3 is cheating is not true. You could simply say, the rules suck in your opinion, rather than lie, and say anyone cheated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please tell me which of those thing are not true:

1) Beachlax - well documented
2) 16 year old on an 8th grade team - middie, not committed, Gilman
3) Cakewalk brackets when Fat Crab is running the show - too many examples to count. Take a look at this year's Crabfeast brackets once they are released

High School now, shut up.

1) School had not ended and those kid played with the 2019s in later tournaments. Not to mention Crabs got embarrassed on Fourth of July on National TV when they couldn't bring their holdbacks.
2) Only in Crab land would someone that playing a 16 year old 8th grader vs. 13 year olds is not cheating. He will be 20 years old when he graduates HS. Watch him do a PG year. wth?
3) Last years Crab Feast, Play day last year at BL, etc.

There are rules and there are the spirit of the rules that preserves the integrity of the game. Fat Crab and the parents that feed him should be ashamed of themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1) School had not ended and those kid played with the 2019s in later tournaments. Not to mention Crabs got embarrassed on Fourth of July on National TV when they couldn't bring their holdbacks.
2) Only in Crab land would someone that playing a 16 year old 8th grader vs. 13 year olds is not cheating. He will be 20 years old when he graduates HS. Watch him do a PG year. wth?
3) Last years Crab Feast, Play day last year at BL, etc.

There are rules and there are the spirit of the rules that preserves the integrity of the game. Fat Crab and the parents that feed him should be ashamed of themselves.

True, they should be but the sad part is that neither Ryan McClernan nor the parents are ashamed. They feel proud of themselves and feel they are entitled to play by any rules they want. Do they cheat the system? Not directly, they play 8th graders in the 8th grade league, 7th in 7th etc. But here is where they "game" the system. They have holdbacks at most all level of teams they have, at least from 2022 and older. They had 15 and 16 year olds on last spring/summer 2020 team. The crab parents/fans will either say no no not true or the other come back now is, it's now high school, it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because your present 2020 team is again loaded with holdbacks, same for your 2021 team and let's not forget the Crabs 2022 team, also holdbacks.
Parents are sold a pile of horsesh*t from McClernan and they buy into this sh*t. Simply pathetic. Go to a Crabs game, watch the parents, they parade around with their noses in the air, they really feel they are a "special" group since their kid plays for Crabs. If they only knew how the remainder of the lax community viewed these people they would be shocked. But then again, maybe not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1) School had not ended and those kid played with the 2019s in later tournaments. Not to mention Crabs got embarrassed on Fourth of July on National TV when they couldn't bring their holdbacks.
2) Only in Crab land would someone that playing a 16 year old 8th grader vs. 13 year olds is not cheating. He will be 20 years old when he graduates HS. Watch him do a PG year. wth?
3) Last years Crab Feast, Play day last year at BL, etc.

There are rules and there are the spirit of the rules that preserves the integrity of the game. Fat Crab and the parents that feed him should be ashamed of themselves.

School ended.
July comment irrelevant, we were not discussing how good they were.
Kid was within rules.
You mention an event, not an example of how cheating occured, again. I wasn't there, so in all honesty, any example could have sounded reasonable, but you didn't give one.

No, there are just rules. "Spirit of the rules", new liberal phrase for when you don't like the rules? Oh, and the 91 coach, actual cheater!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]1) School had not ended and those kid played with the 2019s in later tournaments. Not to mention Crabs got embarrassed on Fourth of July on National TV when they couldn't bring their holdbacks.
2) Only in Crab land would someone that playing a 16 year old 8th grader vs. 13 year olds is not cheating. He will be 20 years old when he graduates HS. Watch him do a PG year. wth?
3) Last years Crab Feast, Play day last year at BL, etc.

There are rules and there are the spirit of the rules that preserves the integrity of the game. Fat Crab and the parents that feed him should be ashamed of themselves.

True, they should be but the sad part is that neither Ryan McClernan nor the parents are ashamed. They feel proud of themselves and feel they are entitled to play by any rules they want. Do they cheat the system? Not directly, they play 8th graders in the 8th grade league, 7th in 7th etc. But here is where they "game" the system. They have holdbacks at most all level of teams they have, at least from 2022 and older. They had 15 and 16 year olds on last spring/summer 2020 team. The crab parents/fans will either say no no not true or the other come back now is, it's now high school, it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because your present 2020 team is again loaded with holdbacks, same for your 2021 team and let's not forget the Crabs 2022 team, also holdbacks.
Parents are sold a pile of horsesh*t from McClernan and they buy into this sh*t. Simply pathetic. Go to a Crabs game, watch the parents, they parade around with their noses in the air, they really feel they are a "special" group since their kid plays for Crabs. If they only knew how the remainder of the lax community viewed these people they would be shocked. But then again, maybe not. [/quote

So kids should play their grade in a grade based league? Because you say so?! Shut up already. If you are still stuck on this argument, time for another activity.

Who cares. Only good crabs team is 2023. Can't find holdback/reclass with that 6th grade group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]1) School had not ended and those kid played with the 2019s in later tournaments. Not to mention Crabs got embarrassed on Fourth of July on National TV when they couldn't bring their holdbacks.
2) Only in Crab land would someone that playing a 16 year old 8th grader vs. 13 year olds is not cheating. He will be 20 years old when he graduates HS. Watch him do a PG year. wth?
3) Last years Crab Feast, Play day last year at BL, etc.

There are rules and there are the spirit of the rules that preserves the integrity of the game. Fat Crab and the parents that feed him should be ashamed of themselves.

True, they should be but the sad part is that neither Ryan McClernan nor the parents are ashamed. They feel proud of themselves and feel they are entitled to play by any rules they want. Do they cheat the system? Not directly, they play 8th graders in the 8th grade league, 7th in 7th etc. But here is where they "game" the system. They have holdbacks at most all level of teams they have, at least from 2022 and older. They had 15 and 16 year olds on last spring/summer 2020 team. The crab parents/fans will either say no no not true or the other come back now is, it's now high school, it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because your present 2020 team is again loaded with holdbacks, same for your 2021 team and let's not forget the Crabs 2022 team, also holdbacks.
Parents are sold a pile of horsesh*t from McClernan and they buy into this sh*t. Simply pathetic. Go to a Crabs game, watch the parents, they parade around with their noses in the air, they really feel they are a "special" group since their kid plays for Crabs. If they only knew how the remainder of the lax community viewed these people they would be shocked. But then again, maybe not. [/quote

So kids should play their grade in a grade based league? Because you say so?! Shut up already. If you are still stuck on this argument, time for another activity.

. From your response it is obvious you have no idea what is being discussed. Read it again, come on you can do it, try real hard and see if you can comprehend what is being discussed . So far you seem to be completely lost. Or, maybe this is the new way Crabs parents push back. Bottom line, the holdback game at Crabs is alive and well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please tell me which of those thing are not true:

1) Beachlax - well documented
2) 16 year old on an 8th grade team - middie, not committed, Gilman
3) Cakewalk brackets when Fat Crab is running the show - too many examples to count. Take a look at this year's Crabfeast brackets once they are released

High School now, shut up.

All true. Just because they are in high school does not mean their history of cheating is not true. Once cheaters always cheaters. All facts. School was not over for Maryland schools - only some of the privates none of publics and not all privates. . Kid was still two years older. RM Still manipulating the brackets at local NLF tourneys and crab events. None of this is unique to just one of their teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]1) School had not ended and those kid played with the 2019s in later tournaments. Not to mention Crabs got embarrassed on Fourth of July on National TV when they couldn't bring their holdbacks.
2) Only in Crab land would someone that playing a 16 year old 8th grader vs. 13 year olds is not cheating. He will be 20 years old when he graduates HS. Watch him do a PG year. wth?
3) Last years Crab Feast, Play day last year at BL, etc.

There are rules and there are the spirit of the rules that preserves the integrity of the game. Fat Crab and the parents that feed him should be ashamed of themselves.

True, they should be but the sad part is that neither Ryan McClernan nor the parents are ashamed. They feel proud of themselves and feel they are entitled to play by any rules they want. Do they cheat the system? Not directly, they play 8th graders in the 8th grade league, 7th in 7th etc. But here is where they "game" the system. They have holdbacks at most all level of teams they have, at least from 2022 and older. They had 15 and 16 year olds on last spring/summer 2020 team. The crab parents/fans will either say no no not true or the other come back now is, it's now high school, it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because your present 2020 team is again loaded with holdbacks, same for your 2021 team and let's not forget the Crabs 2022 team, also holdbacks.
Parents are sold a pile of horsesh*t from McClernan and they buy into this sh*t. Simply pathetic. Go to a Crabs game, watch the parents, they parade around with their noses in the air, they really feel they are a "special" group since their kid plays for Crabs. If they only knew how the remainder of the lax community viewed these people they would be shocked. But then again, maybe not. [/quote

So kids should play their grade in a grade based league? Because you say so?! Shut up already. If you are still stuck on this argument, time for another activity.

. From your response it is obvious you have no idea what is being discussed. Read it again, come on you can do it, try real hard and see if you can comprehend what is being discussed . So far you seem to be completely lost. Or, maybe this is the new way Crabs parents push back. Bottom line, the holdback game at Crabs is alive and well.

The word "not" was supposed to be after "should", but someone with your superior reading comprehension skills would have certainly picked up on that, instead of an ignoramous that simply got fixated on the error. Or perhaps you don't understand that your kid doesn't even play these teams, and you are just spouting off to be heard. Holdback argument at HS level is weak and over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please tell me which of those thing are not true:

1) Beachlax - well documented
2) 16 year old on an 8th grade team - middie, not committed, Gilman
3) Cakewalk brackets when Fat Crab is running the show - too many examples to count. Take a look at this year's Crabfeast brackets once they are released

High School now, shut up.

All true. Just because they are in high school does not mean their history of cheating is not true. Once cheaters always cheaters. All facts. School was not over for Maryland schools - only some of the privates none of publics and not all privates. . Kid was still two years older. RM Still manipulating the brackets at local NLF tourneys and crab events. None of this is unique to just one of their teams.

Wrong. All kids in question cleared.
If you are stuck worrying about this topic, time for the boy to find new activity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please tell me which of those thing are not true:

1) Beachlax - well documented
2) 16 year old on an 8th grade team - middie, not committed, Gilman
3) Cakewalk brackets when Fat Crab is running the show - too many examples to count. Take a look at this year's Crabfeast brackets once they are released

High School now, shut up.

All true. Just because they are in high school does not mean their history of cheating is not true. Once cheaters always cheaters. All facts. School was not over for Maryland schools - only some of the privates none of publics and not all privates. . Kid was still two years older. RM Still manipulating the brackets at local NLF tourneys and crab events. None of this is unique to just one of their teams.

Played Edge Canada first game of season at home at NLF this Fall. Beat team at the tourney. Very sneaky strategy.

The f'ing hold back argument again. Seriously shut the f up. These kids are going to be on their own soon and will know only whining from their parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please tell me which of those thing are not true:

1) Beachlax - well documented
2) 16 year old on an 8th grade team - middie, not committed, Gilman
3) Cakewalk brackets when Fat Crab is running the show - too many examples to count. Take a look at this year's Crabfeast brackets once they are released

High School now, shut up.

All true. Just because they are in high school does not mean their history of cheating is not true. Once cheaters always cheaters. All facts. School was not over for Maryland schools - only some of the privates none of publics and not all privates. . Kid was still two years older. RM Still manipulating the brackets at local NLF tourneys and crab events. None of this is unique to just one of their teams.

Played Edge Canada first game of season at home at NLF this Fall. Beat team at the tourney. Very sneaky strategy.

Sorry best, not beat

True, they should be but the sad part is that neither Ryan McClernan nor the parents are ashamed. They feel proud of themselves and feel they are entitled to play by any rules they want. Do they cheat the system? Not directly, they play 8th graders in the 8th grade league, 7th in 7th etc. But here is where they "game" the system. They have holdbacks at most all level of teams they have, at least from 2022 and older. They had 15 and 16 year olds on last spring/summer 2020 team. The crab parents/fans will either say no no not true or the other come back now is, it's now high school, it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because your present 2020 team is again loaded with holdbacks, same for your 2021 team and let's not forget the Crabs 2022 team, also holdbacks.
Parents are sold a pile of horsesh*t from McClernan and they buy into this sh*t. Simply pathetic. Go to a Crabs game, watch the parents, they parade around with their noses in the air, they really feel they are a "special" group since their kid plays for Crabs. If they only knew how the remainder of the lax community viewed these people they would be shocked. But then again, maybe not. [/quote

So kids should play their grade in a grade based league? Because you say so?! Shut up already. If you are still stuck on this argument, time for another activity. [/quote]. From your response it is obvious you have no idea what is being discussed. Read it again, come on you can do it, try real hard and see if you can comprehend what is being discussed . So far you seem to be completely lost. Or, maybe this is the new way Crabs parents push back. Bottom line, the holdback game at Crabs is alive and well. [/

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, they should be but the sad part is that neither Ryan McClernan nor the parents are ashamed. They feel proud of themselves and feel they are entitled to play by any rules they want. Do they cheat the system? Not directly, they play 8th graders in the 8th grade league, 7th in 7th etc. But here is where they "game" the system. They have holdbacks at most all level of teams they have, at least from 2022 and older. They had 15 and 16 year olds on last spring/summer 2020 team. The crab parents/fans will either say no no not true or the other come back now is, it's now high school, it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because your present 2020 team is again loaded with holdbacks, same for your 2021 team and let's not forget the Crabs 2022 team, also holdbacks.
Parents are sold a pile of horsesh*t from McClernan and they buy into this sh*t. Simply pathetic. Go to a Crabs game, watch the parents, they parade around with their noses in the air, they really feel they are a "special" group since their kid plays for Crabs. If they only knew how the remainder of the lax community viewed these people they would be shocked. But then again, maybe not. [/quote

So kids should play their grade in a grade based league? Because you say so?! Shut up already. If you are still stuck on this argument, time for another activity.

. From your response it is obvious you have no idea what is being discussed. Read it again, come on you can do it, try real hard and see if you can comprehend what is being discussed . So far you seem to be completely lost. Or, maybe this is the new way Crabs parents push back. Bottom line, the holdback game at Crabs is alive and well. [/

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise. [/quote]. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one.

Fat Crab will duck playing Loonies, 91, FCA any chance he gets....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, they should be but the sad part is that neither Ryan McClernan nor the parents are ashamed. They feel proud of themselves and feel they are entitled to play by any rules they want. Do they cheat the system? Not directly, they play 8th graders in the 8th grade league, 7th in 7th etc. But here is where they "game" the system. They have holdbacks at most all level of teams they have, at least from 2022 and older. They had 15 and 16 year olds on last spring/summer 2020 team. The crab parents/fans will either say no no not true or the other come back now is, it's now high school, it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because your present 2020 team is again loaded with holdbacks, same for your 2021 team and let's not forget the Crabs 2022 team, also holdbacks.
Parents are sold a pile of horsesh*t from McClernan and they buy into this sh*t. Simply pathetic. Go to a Crabs game, watch the parents, they parade around with their noses in the air, they really feel they are a "special" group since their kid plays for Crabs. If they only knew how the remainder of the lax community viewed these people they would be shocked. But then again, maybe not. [/quote

So kids should play their grade in a grade based league? Because you say so?! Shut up already. If you are still stuck on this argument, time for another activity.

. From your response it is obvious you have no idea what is being discussed. Read it again, come on you can do it, try real hard and see if you can comprehend what is being discussed . So far you seem to be completely lost. Or, maybe this is the new way Crabs parents push back. Bottom line, the holdback game at Crabs is alive and well. [/

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise.

. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one. [/quote]

Every kid that does pre first or repeats in MS isn't going to automatically play a different grade because a couple whining libs may get their feelings hurt. That is life, and it seems as if you can't accept the fact that on average, the private school kids are about a year older than the public. Making nasty comments about cheating is really code for your own insecurity within the sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares. Only good crabs team is 2023. Can't find holdback/reclass with that 6th grade group.

HAHAHA. That is funny. They have multiple holdbacks, including kids from last year's 2022 team and an ACTUAL 7th grader masquerading as a 6th grader. They are the worst of the bunch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares. Only good crabs team is 2023. Can't find holdback/reclass with that 6th grade group.

HAHAHA. That is funny. They have multiple holdbacks, including kids from last year's 2022 team and an ACTUAL 7th grader masquerading as a 6th grader. They are the worst of the bunch.

They should have parent safe spaces on the sidelines. Private school kids that do pre first, or any kid that ever repeats a grade, should set up reparations accounts and pay back any other kids that ever had to play against older kids.

Seriously though, if you are over 40, and be honest for a moment, can you imagine trying to explain your position on the holdback argument to you parents with any kid of seriousness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who cares. Only good crabs team is 2023. Can't find holdback/reclass with that 6th grade group.

All the HS teams are top 10 nationally

So every team that has a prefirst private school kid is cheating? Wait, so did red-shirting used to be cheating? Wait, so doing a post-grad year, then going to college is cheating? Is taking the SAT a second time cheating? Is taking the bar exam again cheating? So every kid that does prefirst is cheating at school and life? Seriously, shut the f up already. You guys sound worst than the people still complaining about losing the election. Your grandkids are going to be speaking a different language one day if you don't get back to basics and start teaching some discipline and toughness in these kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, they should be but the sad part is that neither Ryan McClernan nor the parents are ashamed. They feel proud of themselves and feel they are entitled to play by any rules they want. Do they cheat the system? Not directly, they play 8th graders in the 8th grade league, 7th in 7th etc. But here is where they "game" the system. They have holdbacks at most all level of teams they have, at least from 2022 and older. They had 15 and 16 year olds on last spring/summer 2020 team. The crab parents/fans will either say no no not true or the other come back now is, it's now high school, it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because your present 2020 team is again loaded with holdbacks, same for your 2021 team and let's not forget the Crabs 2022 team, also holdbacks.
Parents are sold a pile of horsesh*t from McClernan and they buy into this sh*t. Simply pathetic. Go to a Crabs game, watch the parents, they parade around with their noses in the air, they really feel they are a "special" group since their kid plays for Crabs. If they only knew how the remainder of the lax community viewed these people they would be shocked. But then again, maybe not. [/quote

So kids should play their grade in a grade based league? Because you say so?! Shut up already. If you are still stuck on this argument, time for another activity.

. From your response it is obvious you have no idea what is being discussed. Read it again, come on you can do it, try real hard and see if you can comprehend what is being discussed . So far you seem to be completely lost. Or, maybe this is the new way Crabs parents push back. Bottom line, the holdback game at Crabs is alive and well. [/

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise.

. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one.

Every kid that does pre first or repeats in MS isn't going to automatically play a different grade because a couple whining libs may get their feelings hurt. That is life, and it seems as if you can't accept the fact that on average, the private school kids are about a year older than the public. Making nasty comments about cheating is really code for your own insecurity within the sport. [/quote]

Code? Really, code. What a idiot you are. True, private school kids have a better opportunity to repeat but to say making comments about how Crabs and Ryan M operate is code for insecurity. Boy, you really have no idea what is going on in youth lax and if you are a Crabs parent, which I think you are, you are in it up to your nose.
The reputation of Crabs and Ryan M is well known, inside and outside of Md. They are not respected as a lax club because of Ryan M's business model of getting parents to have their kids repeat. It goes on, you don't want to admit it that's fine but remember, only an idiot changes the facts to align with their views.

16 year old 8th grader. Still not committed....LOL

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise. [/quote]. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one. [/quote]

Every kid that does pre first or repeats in MS isn't going to automatically play a different grade because a couple whining libs may get their feelings hurt. That is life, and it seems as if you can't accept the fact that on average, the private school kids are about a year older than the public. Making nasty comments about cheating is really code for your own insecurity within the sport. [/quote]

Code? Really, code. What a idiot you are. True, private school kids have a better opportunity to repeat but to say making comments about how Crabs and Ryan M operate is code for insecurity. Boy, you really have no idea what is going on in youth lax and if you are a Crabs parent, which I think you are, you are in it up to your nose.
The reputation of Crabs and Ryan M is well known, inside and outside of Md. They are not respected as a lax club because of Ryan M's business model of getting parents to have their kids repeat. It goes on, you don't want to admit it that's fine but remember, only an idiot changes the facts to align with their views. [/quote]

Clubs may get a huge grin and like when a kid repeats, but you are putting the cart in front of the horse. Parents and schools are not taking their lead from some club lacrosse program. FCA, Looneys, Crabs, and a few others, yes, get the best kids at tryouts, and yes the best kids are sometimes older because of independent choices they made at school. 90% of the kids you are really referencing, intentionally or not, did prefirst when they were like 6 years old, and maybe hadn't even started sports yet. To say that there is some plot going on, and one club owner is the overlord of admissions/placement year to year at 27 different schools across the state is just a silly and stupid notion. Even if there is one example of someone that used the rules to the extreme to gain advantage, to paint any one club with a broad brush and shill on a forum makes people sound more stupid than valid. I am not aware of documented infractions/penalties against any of these top teams. When you are on top, there will always be many looking to take you down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, they should be but the sad part is that neither Ryan McClernan nor the parents are ashamed. They feel proud of themselves and feel they are entitled to play by any rules they want. Do they cheat the system? Not directly, they play 8th graders in the 8th grade league, 7th in 7th etc. But here is where they "game" the system. They have holdbacks at most all level of teams they have, at least from 2022 and older. They had 15 and 16 year olds on last spring/summer 2020 team. The crab parents/fans will either say no no not true or the other come back now is, it's now high school, it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because your present 2020 team is again loaded with holdbacks, same for your 2021 team and let's not forget the Crabs 2022 team, also holdbacks.
Parents are sold a pile of horsesh*t from McClernan and they buy into this sh*t. Simply pathetic. Go to a Crabs game, watch the parents, they parade around with their noses in the air, they really feel they are a "special" group since their kid plays for Crabs. If they only knew how the remainder of the lax community viewed these people they would be shocked. But then again, maybe not. [/quote

So kids should play their grade in a grade based league? Because you say so?! Shut up already. If you are still stuck on this argument, time for another activity.

. From your response it is obvious you have no idea what is being discussed. Read it again, come on you can do it, try real hard and see if you can comprehend what is being discussed . So far you seem to be completely lost. Or, maybe this is the new way Crabs parents push back. Bottom line, the holdback game at Crabs is alive and well. [/

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise.

. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one.

Every kid that does pre first or repeats in MS isn't going to automatically play a different grade because a couple whining libs may get their feelings hurt. That is life, and it seems as if you can't accept the fact that on average, the private school kids are about a year older than the public. Making nasty comments about cheating is really code for your own insecurity within the sport.

Code? Really, code. What a idiot you are. True, private school kids have a better opportunity to repeat but to say making comments about how Crabs and Ryan M operate is code for insecurity. Boy, you really have no idea what is going on in youth lax and if you are a Crabs parent, which I think you are, you are in it up to your nose.
The reputation of Crabs and Ryan M is well known, inside and outside of Md. They are not respected as a lax club because of Ryan M's business model of getting parents to have their kids repeat. It goes on, you don't want to admit it that's fine but remember, only an idiot changes the facts to align with their views.[/quote] Uhhg.. His club and his reputation are well known.. Having the best teams and coaches in the area would be first and foremost....Go cry somewhere else Hillary Supporter... Tired of your tears...

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise.

[/quote]. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one. [/quote]

Show your husband the things you write on hear!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

16 year old 8th grader. Still not committed....LOL

Tell your kids and spouse that you are on an anonymous forum talking about a minor that is not your own. That is LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise.

. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one. [/quote]

Show your husband the things you write on hear! [/quote]

Hey numb nuts the word is HERE not HEAR. Crabs supporters can't even use correct English.
Now, do you really know what your wife does all day at home when you are working on the road crew holding the stop and go sign? Just think about it, what is she up to. At least with your job you have a 50% chance to get it right. Let's not forget, crabs are no more that a STD, "pubic lice". Go look it up. You may have some of the symptoms.

What does grade have anything to do with this mess anymore. Would anyone be averse to me moving my 12 year old (August 2004) 7th grade, 2022 kid down to the 2023 team? Just so he can be better than most of the kids he is playing against? Heck, he's only 2 weeks away from being a true 2023/6th grader (we opted to have him start school earlier rather than later) so I guess we could really move him down to the 2024 team. He could really do some damage there, CRUSH those younger/smaller kids. He would be a STAR!!! Doesn't that *&^%ing ridiculous?

Or, maybe our age based 2021 team should just play the crabs 2022 team so the ages would be similar? There would only be a fewer older kids on our team. That's fair, right?

I do accept this BS now. It is what it is. My kid can take it, and dish it. He has very good coaches and is developing well. But, don't tell me that your team is better than mine, just because you prefer to have older kids play on your team.

I wonder which one of these "AA" teams, crabs included, is paying in the age based World Series of lax tourney? They would not be able to take their older kids, uh oh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise.

. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one.

Show your husband the things you write on hear! [/quote]

Hey numb nuts the word is HERE not HEAR. Crabs supporters can't even use correct English.
Now, do you really know what your wife does all day at home when you are working on the road crew holding the stop and go sign? Just think about it, what is she up to. At least with your job you have a 50% chance to get it right. Let's not forget, crabs are no more that a STD, "pubic lice". Go look it up. You may have some of the symptoms. [/quote]

You said "that", instead of "than". You ended a sentence with a preposition. Every one of your sentences has at least one punctuation error. If you had held back, you probably could have received some extra help with comma splices.

Holding back at the youth level
Red-shirting (simply means the coach thinks you ARE NOT READY or if you dont you will get killed - SEC football)
Prep- School (All the military academies - pushes PS even when a kid is on solid academic footing)
PG year - Salisbury, etc..again..just need one more year!

All ways, above board, to get more prepared for the road ahead-both academically and athletically - five years after college no ONE cares if you did any of the aforementioned - did you graduate from the school of your choice- great!..did you play - even better...its just the business of sports...not always fair ok, ok, ok, I agree but the playground is wide open - any athlete can choose to do these things to get better at any age straight thru college- why waste time and energy arguing its fairness- to what end?..we all know who does it and why?...why 268 pages on the same exact topic?..what am i missing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise.

. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one.

Show your husband the things you write on hear!

Hey numb nuts the word is HERE not HEAR. Crabs supporters can't even use correct English.
Now, do you really know what your wife does all day at home when you are working on the road crew holding the stop and go sign? Just think about it, what is she up to. At least with your job you have a 50% chance to get it right. Let's not forget, crabs are no more that a STD, "pubic lice". Go look it up. You may have some of the symptoms. [/quote]

You said "that", instead of "than". You ended a sentence with a preposition. Every one of your sentences has at least one punctuation error. If you had held back, you probably could have received some extra help with comma splices. [/quote]

Didn't write what you responded to. Is this how one should use commas? This,is,how,Ryan,M,taught,us,how,to, use,commas,so,that,we,would,have,a,good,chance,of,repeating,7th,or,8th,grade,and,become,a,holdback!!! He always said can never have too many commas or holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Shakespeare, comprehend this you snotty little loser, tell your husband to dust off the mitt and bat and get your boy into something more his speed. Let go, it is over, come on, you can do it, I promise.

. OMG is that the best you have? Pathetic. Can't tell if you are male or female but either way, still pathetic. Must be a Crabs sh*thead for sure. Come on admit it, it isn't hard to tell the truth, come on, try hard, you can do it little one.

Show your husband the things you write on hear!

Hey numb nuts the word is HERE not HEAR. Crabs supporters can't even use correct English.
Now, do you really know what your wife does all day at home when you are working on the road crew holding the stop and go sign? Just think about it, what is she up to. At least with your job you have a 50% chance to get it right. Let's not forget, crabs are no more that a STD, "pubic lice". Go look it up. You may have some of the symptoms.

You said "that", instead of "than". You ended a sentence with a preposition. Every one of your sentences has at least one punctuation error. If you had held back, you probably could have received some extra help with comma splices. [/quote]

Didn't write what you responded to. Is this how one should use commas? This,is,how,Ryan,M,taught,us,how,to, use,commas,so,that,we,would,have,a,good,chance,of,repeating,7th,or,8th,grade,and,become,a,holdback!!! He always said can never have too many commas or holdbacks. [/quote]

This is getting [lacrosse].

This is getting [lacrosse]. [/quote]. Not as [lacrosse] as the Crabs organization. Should I have used commas? Ask Ryan, he will know.

Crab parent here. Our son has had outstanding training and an excellent team experience playing on the Crabs 2019. The boys live the Crabs motto to respect all but fear none. I wish the parents on this forum could do the same. Lacrosse is not only a great sport, it's fun! And seeing these boys play their hearts out and come together as a team is what it's all about.

Lol. Of course - no other club teams provides that to their kids. Puhleez. Not to mention that half your 2019 team should be 2018s. Fat Crab respects two things - money and pork rinds. Not necessarily in that order...

Who cares about crabs and holdbacks. Reality: only a few from each class will be recruited and offerered any percentage of scholarship. And those kids get noticed because of their MIAA team. Look at the history. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about crabs and holdbacks. Reality: only a few from each class will be recruited and offerered any percentage of scholarship. And those kids get noticed because of their MIAA team. Look at the history. Period.

So they are on the best club teams and best school teams. What is your point? Hundreds of players went on to successful college careers, many noticed at school, many noticed at club events, many noticed at both. Many got noticed and recruited before a full varsity season, so your history may be a bit rusty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about crabs and holdbacks. Reality: only a few from each class will be recruited and offerered any percentage of scholarship. And those kids get noticed because of their MIAA team. Look at the history. Period.

So they are on the best club teams and best school teams. What is your point? Hundreds of players went on to successful college careers, many noticed at school, many noticed at club events, many noticed at both. Many got noticed and recruited before a full varsity season, so your history may be a bit rusty.

I agree its hard to say a kid got notice at his MIAA school when you have 20 or so 2020 and 60 2019 kids on the Verbal list to D1 schools. I am guessing most have 0 or very little Var. stats at the schools they attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about crabs and holdbacks. Reality: only a few from each class will be recruited and offerered any percentage of scholarship. And those kids get noticed because of their MIAA team. Look at the history. Period.

When's the last time you saw college coaches at an MIAA game other than Petro or Toomey or other local coaches? Times have changed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about crabs and holdbacks. Reality: only a few from each class will be recruited and offerered any percentage of scholarship. And those kids get noticed because of their MIAA team. Look at the history. Period.

When's the last time you saw college coaches at an MIAA game other than Petro or Toomey or other local coaches? Times have changed.

They all send assistants. Very heavily scouted. These are the games they go to when they are making final determinations on specific players.

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

I would guess that most clubs start at 3rd grade and Crabs doesn't start until 5th grade. Kids happy with their club for 2 years aren't likely to move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

If true, how shameful. There is not a single 14 year old on my son's 2022 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

I wasn't trying to open this can of worms. All top teams have holdbacks.

I'm honestly wondering what has happened that Crabs has 2 subpar teams. Not to mention that no one came to their tryouts this year. What is the reason people are not playing for Crabs as they have in the past?

I think one of he reasons for not playing for the crabs is their lack of understanding that some kids like to play other sports. I have had 2 different friends leave that program because their coaches/organization are unwell to allow kids to play winter sports (hockey/basketball) without making them feel like s--t for missing things during winter wth. There are too many good clubs out there that have a better understanding that KIDS need to be more well rounded athletes and not one sport robots!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

Come on. Please tell me this isn't true.......My son is a 2021 and will be 13 for another month. Really, a 14 year old 2023. No way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

I wasn't trying to open this can of worms. All top teams have holdbacks.

I'm honestly wondering what has happened that Crabs has 2 subpar teams. Not to mention that no one came to their tryouts this year. What is the reason people are not playing for Crabs as they have in the past?

Younger kids play with friends, then as they get more familiar with club and take it more seriously, they start to matriculate to the better clubs. If you are saying the 7th grade wasn't that strong this Spring, which I don't know, I would be willing to bet tryouts are strong next year. Not abnormal for a consistently strong club to have some weaker squads certain years. I don't think this is an anomaly, and certainly wouldn't include anything 2024 into the discussion quite yet. I believe all teams above 7th grade could be considered top 10 teams, so probably wouldn't start sounding the alarms yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

No 14 year olds. All of the top teams have pre-first kids at this point in life. When that argument started, it wasn't even interesting. Years later, less interesting. Not even a nice try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

No, it's just you are the first dumbbell to use the success of a 2024 team in an attempt to criticize an entire club. That's all, nothing more complicated than that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?

Crabs are honestly the lesser of those two evils, but why put up with either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

No, it's just you are the first dumbbell to use the success of a 2024 team in an attempt to criticize an entire club. That's all, nothing more complicated than that.

And the 2022 team? They've been bad for 3 years now. This year the worst yet. Kids are leaving instead of coming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

I wasn't trying to open this can of worms. All top teams have holdbacks.

I'm honestly wondering what has happened that Crabs has 2 subpar teams. Not to mention that no one came to their tryouts this year. What is the reason people are not playing for Crabs as they have in the past?

Younger kids play with friends, then as they get more familiar with club and take it more seriously, they start to matriculate to the better clubs. If you are saying the 7th grade wasn't that strong this Spring, which I don't know, I would be willing to bet tryouts are strong next year. Not abnormal for a consistently strong club to have some weaker squads certain years. I don't think this is an anomaly, and certainly wouldn't include anything 2024 into the discussion quite yet. I believe all teams above 7th grade could be considered top 10 teams, so probably wouldn't start sounding the alarms yet.

Not sure about that. Their 2020 team is not very good anymore either as some of their studs left this year and they were replaced by average kids at best that were floating around on teams like Koopers and Lax World

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?

Crabs are honestly the lesser of those two evils, but why put up with either.

Which is why all the good 2022s are going to end up on FCA next year. When your choices are playing for Fat Crab, MM or FCA, what do you think makes the most sense?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?

Crabs are honestly the lesser of those two evils, but why put up with either.

So who would you pick? Fca, Koopers, looneys, Greene turtle, rock, laxworld, breakers, team 42?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?

Crabs are honestly the lesser of those two evils, but why put up with either.

See below. Here is the fat pos himself, Ryan McClernan, founder and originator of "holdbacks" and club lacrosse.. He is one disgusting individual involved in youth lacrosse and I wish someone could come up with a reason to get him the [lacrosse] out. Just pathetic and the biggest BS artist I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77VmhFja1uQ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

Come on. Please tell me this isn't true.......My son is a 2021 and will be 13 for another month. Really, a 14 year old 2023. No way.

He for sure doesnt go to a MIAA school in MD. Very few boys born in June that will be turning 14 if 2021. VERY RARE..The majority of boys are turning 15 in June if 2021.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?

Crabs are honestly the lesser of those two evils, but why put up with either.

So who would you pick? Fca, Koopers, looneys, Greene turtle, rock, laxworld, breakers, team 42?

Find out who the coaches are and talk to current players. Crabs and 91 players will tell you it is win or be berated. The parents want them on those teams more than the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose t

I wasn't trying to open this can of worms. All top teams have holdbacks.

I'm honestly wondering what has happened that Crabs has 2 subpar teams. Not to mention that no one came to their tryouts this year. What is the reason people are not playing for Crabs as they have in the past?

Younger kids play with friends, then as they get more familiar with club and take it more seriously, they start to matriculate to the better clubs. If you are saying the 7th grade wasn't that strong this Spring, which I don't know, I would be willing to bet tryouts are strong next year. Not abnormal for a consistently strong club to have some weaker squads certain years. I don't think this is an anomaly, and certainly wouldn't include anything 2024 into the discussion quite yet. I believe all teams above 7th grade could be considered top 10 teams, so probably wouldn't start sounding the alarms yet.

Not sure about that. Their 2020 team is not very good anymore either as some of their studs left this year and they were replaced by average kids at best that were floating around on teams like Koopers and Lax World

The 2020 team is literally a top 10 team. The kids they lost to FCA had awful attitudes. They went 5-1 this Fall, and played great as a team, including the new kids. I would stick with you were not sure.

We've had a great experience at Crabs. I find it hard to believe anyone complaining has first hand knowledge. There is always something to complain about in life, but the hysteria against Crabs on here is way over blown.

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs![/quote]

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?[/quote]
Crabs are honestly the lesser of those two evils, but why put up with either.[/quote]

So who would you pick? Fca, Koopers, looneys, Greene turtle, rock, laxworld, breakers, team 42?
[/quote]

Not 42 or LW for sure. All the others have improved or at least have some consistency and have decent management.

Younger kids play with friends, then as they get more familiar with club and take it more seriously, they start to matriculate to the better clubs. If you are saying the 7th grade wasn't that strong this Spring, which I don't know, I would be willing to bet tryouts are strong next year. Not abnormal for a consistently strong club to have some weaker squads certain years. I don't think this is an anomaly, and certainly wouldn't include anything 2024 into the discussion quite yet. I believe all teams above 7th grade could be considered top 10 teams, so probably wouldn't start sounding the alarms yet. [/quote]

Not sure about that. Their 2020 team is not very good anymore either as some of their studs left this year and they were replaced by average kids at best that were floating around on teams like Koopers and Lax World[/quote]

While that team is in the top 10 discussion, you can go back to your B bracket forum and complain about something relevant to your life, like doing a countdown to lax splash.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?

Crabs are honestly the lesser of those two evils, but why put up with either.

See below. Here is the fat pos himself, Ryan McClernan, founder and originator of "holdbacks" and club lacrosse.. He is one disgusting individual involved in youth lacrosse and I wish someone could come up with a reason to get him the [lacrosse] out. Just pathetic and the biggest BS artist I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77VmhFja1uQ

Actually a pretty good interview. How would he be the founder of holdbacks; did he invent pre-first?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

I had no idea that there are 2 X 14 yr olds on that team...So you ware saying that a 6th grade team made up of 11/12 yr olds has kids that are of 8th grade age on that team... Please share their numbers...Would love to know who they are....

ask any of the kids and or parents on that Crabs 2024 team if they are disappointed about the way their season is going.... Almost 100% of them will say no. Great coaching, lots of meaningful practices, great practice fields......Haters gonna hate but truth be told...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 2022 and 2024 teams finished a combined 2-10. The 2022's outscored by 20 goals for the season and the 2024's by 55.

What has happened? It's not just the grade based change. Is it that there are just more choices now and people don't want to expose their kids to RM and his bullish antics?

The 2023 Team has 5 holdbacks and two are 14 years old; real safe playing 2023 lacrosse against 11/12 year olds! Nice work Crabs!

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?

Crabs are honestly the lesser of those two evils, but why put up with either.

See below. Here is the fat pos himself, Ryan McClernan, founder and originator of "holdbacks" and club lacrosse.. He is one disgusting individual involved in youth lacrosse and I wish someone could come up with a reason to get him the [lacrosse] out. Just pathetic and the biggest BS artist I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77VmhFja1uQ

Actually a pretty good interview. How would he be the founder of holdbacks; did he invent pre-first?

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ask any of the kids and or parents on that Crabs 2024 team if they are disappointed about the way their season is going.... Almost 100% of them will say no. Great coaching, lots of meaningful practices, great practice fields......Haters gonna hate but truth be told...

As long as you are aware that most of you won't be back next it's fine. RM will gut that team after this year's showing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ask any of the kids and or parents on that Crabs 2024 team if they are disappointed about the way their season is going.... Almost 100% of them will say no. Great coaching, lots of meaningful practices, great practice fields......Haters gonna hate but truth be told...

As long as you are aware that most of you won't be back next it's fine. RM will gut that team after this year's showing.

Yep, the whole world knows at least half of the 2024 looneys orange team is coming over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ask any of the kids and or parents on that Crabs 2024 team if they are disappointed about the way their season is going.... Almost 100% of them will say no. Great coaching, lots of meaningful practices, great practice fields......Haters gonna hate but truth be told...

As long as you are aware that most of you won't be back next it's fine. RM will gut that team after this year's showing.

Much like 2022 was gutted last year.

See below. Here is the fat pos himself, Ryan McClernan, founder and originator of "holdbacks" and club lacrosse.. He is one disgusting individual involved in youth lacrosse and I wish someone could come up with a reason to get him the [lacrosse] out. Just pathetic and the biggest BS artist I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77VmhFja1uQ[/quote]

Actually a pretty good interview. How would he be the founder of holdbacks; did he invent pre-first? [/quote]

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

[/quote]
Wait, a private, pay to play sports club, which advertises competition goals to be of the highest levels, wants the biggest/strongest athletes, would like to turn a buck, wants to win, is openly geared for players that would like to play in college, and has turn over when athletes don't advance within the system? Sounds like, oh, the business model for every private competitive organization on the planet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2022s have a ton of holdbacks also. They just aren't the best players. Why play for Crabs when you can play for Millon?

Crabs are honestly the lesser of those two evils, but why put up with either.

See below. Here is the fat pos himself, Ryan McClernan, founder and originator of "holdbacks" and club lacrosse.. He is one disgusting individual involved in youth lacrosse and I wish someone could come up with a reason to get him the [lacrosse] out. Just pathetic and the biggest BS artist I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77VmhFja1uQ

Actually a pretty good interview. How would he be the founder of holdbacks; did he invent pre-first?

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

The part about the 21's is true. If he stays, they are all leaving as they hate playing for him. If he stays at 8th grade with the 22s, no new kids will go there. Catch 22

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

[/quote]
That 2021 team is pretty legit. Going to be fun to watch them soar over the next few years. Enjoy the view from the ground.

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

[/quote]

The part about the 21's is true. If he stays, they are all leaving as they hate playing for him. If he stays at 8th grade with the 22s, no new kids will go there. Catch 22[/quote]

Yet proven track record, year after year, after year, after year. Must just be dumb luck that for many years every team above 7th grade magically remains among the top nationally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

That 2021 team is pretty legit. Going to be fun to watch them soar over the next few years. Enjoy the view from the ground.
[/quote]
If Ryan stays with them, they will all be on FCA so you can watch them from the ground.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

See below. Here is the fat pos himself, Ryan McClernan, founder and originator of "holdbacks" and club lacrosse.. He is one disgusting individual involved in youth lacrosse and I wish someone could come up with a reason to get him the [lacrosse] out. Just pathetic and the biggest BS artist I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77VmhFja1uQ

Actually a pretty good interview. How would he be the founder of holdbacks; did he invent pre-first? [/quote]

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

[/quote]
Wait, a private, pay to play sports club, which advertises competition goals to be of the highest levels, wants the biggest/strongest athletes, would like to turn a buck, wants to win, is openly geared for players that would like to play in college, and has turn over when athletes don't advance within the system? Sounds like, oh, the business model for every private competitive organization on the planet.
[/quote]

You clearly sound like a Crabs parent/fan. There are several other strong clubs that do have some holdbacks, none to the extent that Crabs do. And other clubs do not make re classing part of their business model. Crabs does, it has been their business model ever since grade base first appeared. In fact, they were the ones pushing for grade base over age base, so they could manipulate the system, churn more money and have teams that were 2+ years older than their competition. Ask around, see what the youth lacrosse world thinks of RM and Crabs. Not liked nor respected and it is not for having a winning team, it is because of the way their system is operated. As a coach, he is a total joke, has a low lax IQ and belittles his players in from of teammates. He usually always stays back and coaches the 8th grade team. He has mentioned he is planning to stay with the 2021's as they move forward and you will see what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs as they cannot stand RM as their coach or as a person. The whole operation is pathetic. Your above argument is weak, there are several other clubs that have the same goals/objectives but not in the manner Crabs approaches these and they have beaten RM teams on several occasions, in spite of his players being 2 years older. Even Crabs 2020 has a player who just turned 16 this past March, and he is a freshman at Gilman. Imagine that, a 16 year old freshman. Don't even try and dispute that, it is a well known fact. Many could post his name on this board but out of respect to this individual won't. But it makes it no less pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

The part about the 21's is true. If he stays, they are all leaving as they hate playing for him. If he stays at 8th grade with the 22s, no new kids will go there. Catch 22[/quote]

Yet proven track record, year after year, after year, after year. Must just be dumb luck that for many years every team above 7th grade magically remains among the top nationally.

[/quote]
Good luck continuing that with the 2022s. Why do you think he is going to stay with the 21s? He wouldn't want to take the losses that would come with the 21s. He's not a coach. If you've ever actually watched a practice he runs or watched him coach a game you know that's true. Crabs got by because all the best kids wanted to play for them. That is not the case anymore. People arent going to leave Hawks 2022 to play for Crabs. In fact, Crabs 2021 kids went to Hawks 2022 instead of playing for the Crabs 2022 team. I'm sure there will be more defections this August. The same coaches that looked great coaching the Crabs 2021 team is getting exposed coaching the 2022 team. The offense they run is a joke. Is any kid on that team better than when they started playing there 3 years ago?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

The part about the 21's is true. If he stays, they are all leaving as they hate playing for him. If he stays at 8th grade with the 22s, no new kids will go there. Catch 22[/quote]

Yet proven track record, year after year, after year, after year. Must just be dumb luck that for many years every team above 7th grade magically remains among the top nationally.

[/quote]

Simply because they are between 1 1/2 to 2 years older than the other teams/clubs they play. 7th grade is when Crabs start the re classing effort on parents. No magic formula or secret, it is just simply manipulating the grade base system. And RM is a master of it, like most cheats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

See below. Here is the fat pos himself, Ryan McClernan, founder and originator of "holdbacks" and club lacrosse.. He is one disgusting individual involved in youth lacrosse and I wish someone could come up with a reason to get him the [lacrosse] out. Just pathetic and the biggest BS artist I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77VmhFja1uQ

Actually a pretty good interview. How would he be the founder of holdbacks; did he invent pre-first?

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

[/quote]
Wait, a private, pay to play sports club, which advertises competition goals to be of the highest levels, wants the biggest/strongest athletes, would like to turn a buck, wants to win, is openly geared for players that would like to play in college, and has turn over when athletes don't advance within the system? Sounds like, oh, the business model for every private competitive organization on the planet.
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You clearly sound like a Crabs parent/fan. There are several other strong clubs that do have some holdbacks, none to the extent that Crabs do. And other clubs do not make re classing part of their business model. Crabs does, it has been their business model ever since grade base first appeared. In fact, they were the ones pushing for grade base over age base, so they could manipulate the system, churn more money and have teams that were 2+ years older than their competition. Ask around, see what the youth lacrosse world thinks of RM and Crabs. Not liked nor respected and it is not for having a winning team, it is because of the way their system is operated. As a coach, he is a total joke, has a low lax IQ and belittles his players in from of teammates. He usually always stays back and coaches the 8th grade team. He has mentioned he is planning to stay with the 2021's as they move forward and you will see what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs as they cannot stand RM as their coach or as a person. The whole operation is pathetic. Your above argument is weak, there are several other clubs that have the same goals/objectives but not in the manner Crabs approaches these and they have beaten RM teams on several occasions, in spite of his players being 2 years older. Even Crabs 2020 has a player who just turned 16 this past March, and he is a freshman at Gilman. Imagine that, a 16 year old freshman. Don't even try and dispute that, it is a well known fact. Many could post his name on this board but out of respect to this individual won't. But it makes it no less pathetic.
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If you did prefirst, good chance you'll be 16 your freshman year. What is the news here? All top teams are riddled with extra year private school kids. The 2+ bs is clearly fake news. Look dude, hate all you want, but FCA, Looneys all have the same amount of extra year kids. You obviously don't like the guy, but success has many enemies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

The part about the 21's is true. If he stays, they are all leaving as they hate playing for him. If he stays at 8th grade with the 22s, no new kids will go there. Catch 22

Yet proven track record, year after year, after year, after year. Must just be dumb luck that for many years every team above 7th grade magically remains among the top nationally.

[/quote]

Simply because they are between 1 1/2 to 2 years older than the other teams/clubs they play. 7th grade is when Crabs start the re classing effort on parents. No magic formula or secret, it is just simply manipulating the grade base system. And RM is a master of it, like most cheats.
[/quote]

You do realize that parents are dealing with schools, not some club director, correct? Not disagreeing that some don't do it for sports, but your premise that Crabs is out manipulating these decisions is preposterous! Essentially every prefirst kid is what you call a holdback; you believe Crabs is in the rolodex calling all of the kindergarten parents for future prospects, making sure they don't skip on to first grade!! Get a life, pick another sport, enjoy mediocrity - something other than conspiracy theories! Go spend some time with your kid or something...

[/quote]
Wait, a private, pay to play sports club, which advertises competition goals to be of the highest levels, wants the biggest/strongest athletes, would like to turn a buck, wants to win, is openly geared for players that would like to play in college, and has turn over when athletes don't advance within the system? Sounds like, oh, the business model for every private competitive organization on the planet.
[/quote]

You clearly sound like a Crabs parent/fan. There are several other strong clubs that do have some holdbacks, none to the extent that Crabs do. And other clubs do not make re classing part of their business model. Crabs does, it has been their business model ever since grade base first appeared. In fact, they were the ones pushing for grade base over age base, so they could manipulate the system, churn more money and have teams that were 2+ years older than their competition. Ask around, see what the youth lacrosse world thinks of RM and Crabs. Not liked nor respected and it is not for having a winning team, it is because of the way their system is operated. As a coach, he is a total joke, has a low lax IQ and belittles his players in from of teammates. He usually always stays back and coaches the 8th grade team. He has mentioned he is planning to stay with the 2021's as they move forward and you will see what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs as they cannot stand RM as their coach or as a person. The whole operation is pathetic. Your above argument is weak, there are several other clubs that have the same goals/objectives but not in the manner Crabs approaches these and they have beaten RM teams on several occasions, in spite of his players being 2 years older. Even Crabs 2020 has a player who just turned 16 this past March, and he is a freshman at Gilman. Imagine that, a 16 year old freshman. Don't even try and dispute that, it is a well known fact. Many could post his name on this board but out of respect to this individual won't. But it makes it no less pathetic.
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Take all of your efforts on here, channel that into a different direction, and go do something nice for someone. Let it go, this sport isn't for everyone. There was always that lighting B championship, never let those memories go, but let the rest of it go, man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

The part about the 21's is true. If he stays, they are all leaving as they hate playing for him. If he stays at 8th grade with the 22s, no new kids will go there. Catch 22

Yet proven track record, year after year, after year, after year. Must just be dumb luck that for many years every team above 7th grade magically remains among the top nationally.

[/quote]
Good luck continuing that with the 2022s. Why do you think he is going to stay with the 21s? He wouldn't want to take the losses that would come with the 21s. He's not a coach. If you've ever actually watched a practice he runs or watched him coach a game you know that's true. Crabs got by because all the best kids wanted to play for them. That is not the case anymore. People arent going to leave Hawks 2022 to play for Crabs. In fact, Crabs 2021 kids went to Hawks 2022 instead of playing for the Crabs 2022 team. I'm sure there will be more defections this August. The same coaches that looked great coaching the Crabs 2021 team is getting exposed coaching the 2022 team. The offense they run is a joke. Is any kid on that team better than when they started playing there 3 years ago?[/quote]

Yes. Now go do something productive, like paint the fence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

That 2021 team is pretty legit. Going to be fun to watch them soar over the next few years. Enjoy the view from the ground.

If Ryan stays with them, they will all be on FCA so you can watch them from the ground.[/quote]

Nah, cats out of the bag with that fartstick. No more bait and switch onto the B team. Pretty sure he's got some nephews or kids of his own to put onto three different teams at the same time, so all seats taken. Bless you, though.

And the irony for you holdback clowns is that as more kids do it your kid loses his spot to kids his own age who likewise play down. It only worked out for the snowflakes that were in on it before all others. So now private schools need to create pre-6th. Fave it, the holdback kids are not competitive against kids their age. But your awesome bc you can brag that your son, 1-2 years older than many, got a 1/12 athletic scholarship offer his junior year of high school. Bravo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

The part about the 21's is true. If he stays, they are all leaving as they hate playing for him. If he stays at 8th grade with the 22s, no new kids will go there. Catch 22

Yet proven track record, year after year, after year, after year. Must just be dumb luck that for many years every team above 7th grade magically remains among the top nationally.

Simply because they are between 1 1/2 to 2 years older than the other teams/clubs they play. 7th grade is when Crabs start the re classing effort on parents. No magic formula or secret, it is just simply manipulating the grade base system. And RM is a master of it, like most cheats.
[/quote]

You do realize that parents are dealing with schools, not some club director, correct? Not disagreeing that some don't do it for sports, but your premise that Crabs is out manipulating these decisions is preposterous! Essentially every prefirst kid is what you call a holdback; you believe Crabs is in the rolodex calling all of the kindergarten parents for future prospects, making sure they don't skip on to first grade!! Get a life, pick another sport, enjoy mediocrity - something other than conspiracy theories! Go spend some time with your kid or something...[/quote]

Spending time with my son would be 1000 times better than spending it with an idiot like you. You said nothing here, shows you know nothing about the Crabs method. RM is in the ears of the parents over promoting the re class sh*t. No conspiracy at all, I had a son on a RM team for one year, and the pre class bs started. I was done with it and my son never looked back, he had no desire or need to repeat 7th grade. Know your facts before shooting off your mouth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good interview??? Are you kidding? No guess not., you sound serious. This man is a total POS and if you knew about him and how he operates you would understand. No he did not invent (your words) pre-first but he and his organization put pressure on parents of players to re class and this has been happening for several years. His mentality is having an older/bigger team will win more games. And do not tell me this is not true, he approached me with this re class crap three years ago when my son was in seventh grade. That was the last time he played for Crabs. I know more than several parents with the same story. This POS man is out for two things, money and winning at all cost. He is not respected in the youth lax world, he is just tolerated, nothing more. And if he decides to stay with his present team, 2021, as head coach, watch what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs 2021 in droves because the 2021 players hate him as a coach and as a person. Many of those players can find another strong team/club that would love to have them.

The part about the 21's is true. If he stays, they are all leaving as they hate playing for him. If he stays at 8th grade with the 22s, no new kids will go there. Catch 22

Yet proven track record, year after year, after year, after year. Must just be dumb luck that for many years every team above 7th grade magically remains among the top nationally.

Good luck continuing that with the 2022s. Why do you think he is going to stay with the 21s? He wouldn't want to take the losses that would come with the 21s. He's not a coach. If you've ever actually watched a practice he runs or watched him coach a game you know that's true. Crabs got by because all the best kids wanted to play for them. That is not the case anymore. People arent going to leave Hawks 2022 to play for Crabs. In fact, Crabs 2021 kids went to Hawks 2022 instead of playing for the Crabs 2022 team. I'm sure there will be more defections this August. The same coaches that looked great coaching the Crabs 2021 team is getting exposed coaching the 2022 team. The offense they run is a joke. Is any kid on that team better than when they started playing there 3 years ago?[/quote]

Yes. Now go do something productive, like paint the fence.[/quote]

Can't do that and put you out of work. How will you feed your family?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And the irony for you holdback clowns is that as more kids do it your kid loses his spot to kids his own age who likewise play down. It only worked out for the snowflakes that were in on it before all others. So now private schools need to create pre-6th. Fave it, the holdback kids are not competitive against kids their age. But your awesome bc you can brag that your son, 1-2 years older than many, got a 1/12 athletic scholarship offer his junior year of high school. Bravo

You said it all in the first sentence. Was never about sports for most, so nobody really cares how many there are now. Was a false premise that was great talking point for public school parents that got worn way out some time ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And the irony for you holdback clowns is that as more kids do it your kid loses his spot to kids his own age who likewise play down. It only worked out for the snowflakes that were in on it before all others. So now private schools need to create pre-6th. Fave it, the holdback kids are not competitive against kids their age. But your awesome bc you can brag that your son, 1-2 years older than many, got a 1/12 athletic scholarship offer his junior year of high school. Bravo

Fart noise.

You clearly sound like a Crabs parent/fan. There are several other strong clubs that do have some holdbacks, none to the extent that Crabs do. And other clubs do not make re classing part of their business model. Crabs does, it has been their business model ever since grade base first appeared. In fact, they were the ones pushing for grade base over age base, so they could manipulate the system, churn more money and have teams that were 2+ years older than their competition. Ask around, see what the youth lacrosse world thinks of RM and Crabs. Not liked nor respected and it is not for having a winning team, it is because of the way their system is operated. As a coach, he is a total joke, has a low lax IQ and belittles his players in from of teammates. He usually always stays back and coaches the 8th grade team. He has mentioned he is planning to stay with the 2021's as they move forward and you will see what the 2021 players do. They will leave Crabs as they cannot stand RM as their coach or as a person. The whole operation is pathetic. Your above argument is weak, there are several other clubs that have the same goals/objectives but not in the manner Crabs approaches these and they have beaten RM teams on several occasions, in spite of his players being 2 years older. Even Crabs 2020 has a player who just turned 16 this past March, and he is a freshman at Gilman. Imagine that, a 16 year old freshman. Don't even try and dispute that, it is a well known fact. Many could post his name on this board but out of respect to this individual won't. But it makes it no less pathetic.
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Crying Jordan face.

Looks like the holdback prefirst reclass apologists are out in full force? The best apologist excuse is .."dont you want to play against older players to get better" while their child is the oldest! Hilarious!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the holdback prefirst reclass apologists are out in full force? The best apologist excuse is .."dont you want to play against older players to get better" while their child is the oldest! Hilarious!!

Yaaawwwwnnnn

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

That folks is pure and utter bullsh*t. This person has had enough Crabs kool aid to last a lifetime. Or maybe this is Ryan himself joining the bs conversation. Never know, when it comes to BS he is a leader in the field.
There are kids playing rec lacrosse that have a higher lax IQ than Ryan McClernan.

Crabs delivers as advertised.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

That folks is pure and utter bullsh*t. This person has had enough Crabs kool aid to last a lifetime. Or maybe this is Ryan himself joining the bs conversation. Never know, when it comes to BS he is a leader in the field.
There are kids playing rec lacrosse that have a higher lax IQ than Ryan McClernan.

I can not argue with the results the Crabs has produced from the start. But I have heard from several smart lacrosse people that does not even have above avg. Lacrosse IQ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

Thanks Ryan.

RM has no coaching acumen whatsoever. His offense is so outdated and relies solely on having bigger, faster kids driving the alley. There is no movement. If driving the alley doesn't work they rotate it around and try again. You can work on that 7 days a week and it's not going to work if you don't have the horses. What a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

That folks is pure and utter bullsh*t. This person has had enough Crabs kool aid to last a lifetime. Or maybe this is Ryan himself joining the bs conversation. Never know, when it comes to BS he is a leader in the field.
There are kids playing rec lacrosse that have a higher lax IQ than Ryan McClernan.

I can not argue with the results the Crabs has produced from the start. But I have heard from several smart lacrosse people that does not even have above avg. Lacrosse IQ

Good for you. Why are you on a forum talking about somewhere, someday, somehow you heard something?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

Thanks Ryan.

RM has no coaching acumen whatsoever. His offense is so outdated and relies solely on having bigger, faster kids driving the alley. There is no movement. If driving the alley doesn't work they rotate it around and try again. You can work on that 7 days a week and it's not going to work if you don't have the horses. What a joke.

But somehow manages one of the most successful clubs in existence, and throws one [lacrosse] of a bull & oyster roast. Must be something working up there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

Thanks Ryan.

RM has no coaching acumen whatsoever. His offense is so outdated and relies solely on having bigger, faster kids driving the alley. There is no movement. If driving the alley doesn't work they rotate it around and try again. You can work on that 7 days a week and it's not going to work if you don't have the horses. What a joke.

But somehow manages one of the most successful clubs in existence, and throws one [lacrosse] of a bull & oyster roast. Must be something working up there.

You keep telling yourself that. What would you say is the trajectory of the club? You been to crabs tryouts the last couple years? Barely 25 kids show up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

Thanks Ryan.

RM has no coaching acumen whatsoever. His offense is so outdated and relies solely on having bigger, faster kids driving the alley. There is no movement. If driving the alley doesn't work they rotate it around and try again. You can work on that 7 days a week and it's not going to work if you don't have the horses. What a joke.

But somehow manages one of the most successful clubs in existence, and throws one [lacrosse] of a bull & oyster roast. Must be something working up there.

Only thing working past few years is the bull and oyster roast. The program and teams are sliding backwards, other strong clubs are passing Crabs and his re class operation is falling apart. He has no idea how to correct this, his knowledge of coaching lacrosse is very very limited and that will never change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

Thanks Ryan.

RM has no coaching acumen whatsoever. His offense is so outdated and relies solely on having bigger, faster kids driving the alley. There is no movement. If driving the alley doesn't work they rotate it around and try again. You can work on that 7 days a week and it's not going to work if you don't have the horses. What a joke.

But somehow manages one of the most successful clubs in existence, and throws one [lacrosse] of a bull & oyster roast. Must be something working up there.

You keep telling yourself that. What would you say is the trajectory of the club? You been to crabs tryouts the last couple years? Barely 25 kids show up.

If you measure by commitments and recruit-able prospects for next 4 years, trajectory = perfect. Ok, near-perfect, if that makes you feel better. When you've been on top for so long, trajectory is just a state of mind, brother.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

Thanks Ryan.

RM has no coaching acumen whatsoever. His offense is so outdated and relies solely on having bigger, faster kids driving the alley. There is no movement. If driving the alley doesn't work they rotate it around and try again. You can work on that 7 days a week and it's not going to work if you don't have the horses. What a joke.

But somehow manages one of the most successful clubs in existence, and throws one [lacrosse] of a bull & oyster roast. Must be something working up there.

Only thing working past few years is the bull and oyster roast. The program and teams are sliding backwards, other strong clubs are passing Crabs and his re class operation is falling apart. He has no idea how to correct this, his knowledge of coaching lacrosse is very very limited and that will never change.

Every HS team and the HS rising team are top 10 teams. What would you like, every team to go undefeated? That's reasonable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for Crabs and was just saying he WISHES that his team had the benefit of being coached by Coach McLernan after 8th grade. The training they received was superb and the lacrosse IQ imparted was outstanding. Practices three times a week aren't for everyone, nor is the burning desire to play D1 in college. But if that is your son's goal, Crabs is the team to join.

Thanks Ryan.

RM has no coaching acumen whatsoever. His offense is so outdated and relies solely on having bigger, faster kids driving the alley. There is no movement. If driving the alley doesn't work they rotate it around and try again. You can work on that 7 days a week and it's not going to work if you don't have the horses. What a joke.

But somehow manages one of the most successful clubs in existence, and throws one [lacrosse] of a bull & oyster roast. Must be something working up there.

Only thing working past few years is the bull and oyster roast. The program and teams are sliding backwards, other strong clubs are passing Crabs and his re class operation is falling apart. He has no idea how to correct this, his knowledge of coaching lacrosse is very very limited and that will never change.

Every HS team and the HS rising team are top 10 teams. What would you like, every team to go undefeated? That's reasonable.

You can close your eyes if you want. No one is arguing the history of the club. I'll ask again. Have you been to a Crabs tryout the last couple years? No one is coming. People are no longer leaving clubs to come to Crabs, in fact at the 2020 age, people left Crabs for FCA going into HS. Other clubs are passing Crabs by and if we have this conversation again in 3 years you will see that I'm right.

Every HS team and the HS rising team are top 10 teams. What would you like, every team to go undefeated? That's reasonable. [/quote]

You can close your eyes if you want. No one is arguing the history of the club. I'll ask again. Have you been to a Crabs tryout the last couple years? No one is coming. People are no longer leaving clubs to come to Crabs, in fact at the 2020 age, people left Crabs for FCA going into HS. Other clubs are passing Crabs by and if we have this conversation again in 3 years you will see that I'm right. [/quote]

ok, bye bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs delivers as advertised.

Not Crabs Lacrosse, they don't come close to delivering the BS they give players/parents, haven't for the past several years.
Now, if you want someone to deliver crabs as advertised, contact Tony's Crabs or G&M, both on line and in the phone book.

2023 is best team in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 is best team in the country.

Thanks flat brim.

Spit my drink out when I read that! Hilarious!

Classy. Act like you've won a damn playoff game before. Making our boys proud with comments like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Classy. Act like you've won a damn playoff game before. Making our boys proud with comments like that.

Best team in the nation just got got!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 is best team in the country.

Sorry flat brim. Lost to Club Blue today. Not even best team in Maryland. Best team in Baltimore though. So you got that going for you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 is best team in the country.

Sorry flat brim. Lost to Club Blue today. Not even best team in Maryland. Best team in Baltimore though. So you got that going for you

Sharknado attack!!!!

Club Blue hold backs definitely outplayed the Crabs hold backs today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club Blue hold backs definitely outplayed the Crabs hold backs today.

Ha so true.... All of the true 6th graders on the bench during most of the 4th qtr and all of the overtimes..... While the true aged 7th graders ran most of the game... So messed up.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 is best team in the country.

Sorry flat brim. Lost to Club Blue today. Not even best team in Maryland. Best team in Baltimore though. So you got that going for you

Sharknado attack!!!!

A tasty Krabby Patty I'm sure

DC hold backs better then Baltimore hold backs...GO BACK TO BIRTHDAYS HOW HARD WOULD IT BE...hold back cheaters both teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 is best team in the country.

Sorry flat brim. Lost to Club Blue today. Not even best team in Maryland. Best team in Baltimore though. So you got that going for you

Crabs learned what happens when you call a timeout in overtime...Ouch! you loose!

Just checking the Crabs tryout page for 2023 "looking for hard charging 7th graders" ummm 2023 would be 6th graders. I know what they mean it is for next year but too funny considering

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just checking the Crabs tryout page for 2023 "looking for hard charging 7th graders" ummm 2023 would be 6th graders. I know what they mean it is for next year but too funny considering

You won't have any reason to attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just checking the Crabs tryout page for 2023 "looking for hard charging 7th graders" ummm 2023 would be 6th graders. I know what they mean it is for next year but too funny considering

I'm no fan of Crabs, but this is an idiotic post. The tryouts are for next year's teams. 2023 players will be in 7th grade. Fat Crab gives us plenty to call him out on but come on.

It can't all be bad - saw the 2023 team has 3 former Madlax players on it this summer. And I was told that 2 of the 3 were the top 2 players on the Madlax squad. So either they have something good to offer or Madlax is having problems at 2023 - cause that's a long drive from Virginia.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It can't all be bad - saw the 2023 team has 3 former Madlax players on it this summer. And I was told that 2 of the 3 were the top 2 players on the Madlax squad. So either they have something good to offer or Madlax is having problems at 2023 - cause that's a long drive from Virginia.

Success has many enemies. The club in general produces top teams at the local and National level. Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Madlax have consistently carried this all the way through HS, with a few speed bump teams every now and then, and now with the growth of the industry, many other clubs will start to see more consistent success coming out of the youth levels. That's a good thing, but there are very negative people on here, so you of course get all of the toxic rhetoric.

I agree the sport is growing and the travel scene is growing even more. I also think parents are doing more research about clubs and about travel sports. But I think this research causes people to think the new shinny team will be the best option. The Crabs,Madlax and Hawks are your best options they have a proven track record. These clubs will be around when your son is a 4th grader tell he graduates. These clubs will always be in the best tournaments and your so will be seen. And like it has always been your son will have to play well when the right school is watching no club can control this. Do not let anyone tell you the money is not the same at each of these clubs. They are all too much money. Some clubs take it all at once and other clubs nickle and dime you over the whole year. But at the end of the day they all add up to the same amount of money.

Crabs has always been the best at recruiting, especially this team. They always have a talented team with many big, fast (and often older) players. Many parents buy into the concept of playing on a team like this. It makes you wonder about the Virginia parents though. That is a long ways and the best team in the HOCO league was Club Blue, which is a lot closer to Virginia with great coaching.

Malad is losing kids at an even higher rate now. Used to be just when they hot HS that they left. Now they are losing out to NL and DC express for MD kids and kids are leaving even earlier for Crabs, FCA, VLC and BW. There is a problem over there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Malad is losing kids at an even higher rate now. Used to be just when they hot HS that they left. Now they are losing out to NL and DC express for MD kids and kids are leaving even earlier for Crabs, FCA, VLC and BW. There is a problem over there.

Man I bet you you wetting you pants over there writing this.

Crabs 11-1 among the four teams playing at NLF after one day of ball. Great job players, coaches, and parents! (And siblings)!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 11-1 among the four teams playing at NLF after one day of ball. Great job players, coaches, and parents! (And siblings)!

Not true. Crabs 2024 is 0-3 at NLF.

No matter what the Crabs do in any game or tournament, the Crabs will always be tainted by the fact they have older players.

This isnt the Crabs of 5 years ago with its talented on age U13 and U15 team along with Top HS teams.

This is the modern Crabs with players usually older and bigger than any team they play. Just how youth sports was supposed to be played. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 11-1 among the four teams playing at NLF after one day of ball. Great job players, coaches, and parents! (And siblings)!

Not true. Crabs 2024 is 0-3 at NLF.

HS teams, sorry. Youth was at another location, wasn't following. 23's won it, and the other teams except for the one you mentioned all went at least to the semi's. Great event, lots of talented teams.

2023 Crabs at NLF had a cake walk of a schedule against only B teams. Cruised to the finals. Expected them to beat LI Express which has zero holdbacks. The real surprise of the playoffs was Express downing Bandits!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 11-1 among the four teams playing at NLF after one day of ball. Great job players, coaches, and parents! (And siblings)!

Not true. Crabs 2024 is 0-3 at NLF.

HS teams, sorry. Youth was at another location, wasn't following. 23's won it, and the other teams except for the one you mentioned all went at least to the semi's. Great event, lots of talented teams.

Wrong again. 22's didn't make the playoffs

Not sure who wrote the comment about 2023 Crabs schedule, but you obviously didn't see the Laxachussetts game. Neither Bandits nor LIE was beating that team. Get over yourself... 2023 Crabs was the the best team there.

express beat laxachusettes at last tournament and only lost to them in OT. (but didn't read the comment you were referencing)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure who wrote the comment about 2023 Crabs schedule, but you obviously didn't see the Laxachussetts game. Neither Bandits nor LIE was beating that team. Get over yourself... 2023 Crabs was the the best team there.

Crabs and Laxa were evenly matched teams made up of some on age kids and a few 7th and 8th graders. Of course Bandits and LIE couldn't keep up with players 2 years older. And you can't deny the Crabs v Laxa game was the only challenge Crabs faced all weekend.

Express 2023 most certainly has holdbacks. Lefty attack played 2022 for years. Was held back after 6th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express 2023 most certainly has holdbacks. Lefty attack played 2022 for years. Was held back after 6th grade.

Lefty attack is definateley not a holdback...Now you are reaching for straws!!!LOL

Remember how f'd up the tourneys used to be with U13, U11, A,B,C, always whining about teams playing down a bracket, it was always a mess. Grade based is clean, and the top teams at the top tournaments don't argue about this holdback nonsense. Unless you want to create a private school league, this is the best it is going to get. They aren't going to go age, as the clubs are not going to want to build teams all through MS, then have to re-build the teams in HS. You need grade based in HS, because coaches don't want to watch mixed up teams during the recruiting years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It can't all be bad - saw the 2023 team has 3 former Madlax players on it this summer. And I was told that 2 of the 3 were the top 2 players on the Madlax squad. So either they have something good to offer or Madlax is having problems at 2023 - cause that's a long drive from Virginia.

At least they can drive themselves now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember how f'd up the tourneys used to be with U13, U11, A,B,C, always whining about teams playing down a bracket, it was always a mess. Grade based is clean, and the top teams at the top tournaments don't argue about this holdback nonsense. Unless you want to create a private school league, this is the best it is going to get. They aren't going to go age, as the clubs are not going to want to build teams all through MS, then have to re-build the teams in HS. You need grade based in HS, because coaches don't want to watch mixed up teams during the recruiting years.

This gibberish makes no sense. Nobody disputes the need for grade based in HS. The reasonable expectation is that all kids in the same grade are roughly the same age. The other reasonable expectation is that people do not INTENTIONALLY GAME THE SYSTEM TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE. All why telling everyone else to "play up, it will make you better"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember how f'd up the tourneys used to be with U13, U11, A,B,C, always whining about teams playing down a bracket, it was always a mess. Grade based is clean, and the top teams at the top tournaments don't argue about this holdback nonsense. Unless you want to create a private school league, this is the best it is going to get. They aren't going to go age, as the clubs are not going to want to build teams all through MS, then have to re-build the teams in HS. You need grade based in HS, because coaches don't want to watch mixed up teams during the recruiting years.

Youth Teams were always age based and HS teams were always grade based until the ER Hysteria. The Colleges had no problem recruiting then?? Starting a few years ago we had to have grade base due to ER in 9th grade. Well that is gone.

Recruiting contact can only start in 11th grade now . This eliminates the whole grade based argument for youth.

Now your excuse is we need to form grade base teams in 4th grade and let them play all the way to 11th to give clubs a good chance of building teams! Hilarious. That is a lame argument.

High School teams and youth teams at clubs have always been a separate thing. Even now look. HS teams have big turnover from the 8th grade teams. No where near as many HS teams as there is youth teams. Your argument falls flat.

NCAA took care of their stupidity by getting rid of recruiting 9th graders. Will lacrosse get rid of their stupidity of letting select held back children play down due to a youth grade base system.

The sport doubled youth participation last year. Seems the market agrees with the system, no?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sport doubled youth participation last year. Seems the market agrees with the system, no?

Yes ,the sport doubled in size because of holdbacks...idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sport doubled youth participation last year. Seems the market agrees with the system, no?

Yes ,the sport doubled in size because of holdbacks...idiot.

It doubled, yes. Within prominently grade based system, yes. But that is stupid, because doesn't fit your narrative, so let's change it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sport doubled youth participation last year. Seems the market agrees with the system, no?

Yes ,the sport doubled in size because of holdbacks...idiot.

It doubled, yes. Within prominently grade based system, yes. But that is stupid, because doesn't fit your narrative, so let's change it.

Please explain the correlation between grade based teams and significant growth of the sport

The sport hasn't grown because of prefirst or holdbacks. Its grown because football and baseball numbers are down and soccer lets just say sucks. And its a fun game that kids like to play. The u15 u 13 model etc isn't needed because numbers are up. The cleanest way to play is BIRTHDAYS...simple.

you are sadly mistaken if you think the whole recruiting thing is changing.
Yes they can not communicate with the student until 11 grade.
But they can follow the student from whenever they want. If you don't think the coaches will be at 7&8 grade games your delusional. Coaches will be on the sideline making notes about the kids they want and talking to club coaches.
(they do it in AAU basketball all the time) Then they watch how the kid develops and matures both physically and athletically and the kids either move up or down on the coaches recruiting chart....and oh by the way the also see how the kids parents act as well..lots of kids have missed opportunities because of their parents. I project the sidelines will continue to be lined with coaches...that's why teams like FCA, Crabs etc who have relationships with the college coaches will prosper.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sport hasn't grown because of prefirst or holdbacks. Its grown because football and baseball numbers are down and soccer lets just say sucks. And its a fun game that kids like to play. The u15 u 13 model etc isn't needed because numbers are up. The cleanest way to play is BIRTHDAYS...simple.

Thank you logical person.

OP - "I like holdbacks, sport is growing, ergo holdbacks are driving the growth of the sport." Talk about a strange narrative...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are sadly mistaken if you think the whole recruiting thing is changing.
Yes they can not communicate with the student until 11 grade.
But they can follow the student from whenever they want. If you don't think the coaches will be at 7&8 grade games your delusional. Coaches will be on the sideline making notes about the kids they want and talking to club coaches.
(they do it in AAU basketball all the time) Then they watch how the kid develops and matures both physically and athletically and the kids either move up or down on the coaches recruiting chart....and oh by the way the also see how the kids parents act as well..lots of kids have missed opportunities because of their parents. I project the sidelines will continue to be lined with coaches...that's why teams like FCA, Crabs etc who have relationships with the college coaches will prosper.

More nonsense from crabland. Let us know when you see a coach at an 8th grade game.

Recruiting timeline changes . . . I walked by two college coaches last night talking about 2021s that looked good so I agree that the kids may have prove themselves and the coaches may be thinner where they still are looking for 2019/2020 players but the recruiting is still there. Plus the rules are probably going to be loosened - how many kids can take off the fall of their junior year to make visits to multiple schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sport hasn't grown because of prefirst or holdbacks. Its grown because football and baseball numbers are down and soccer lets just say sucks. And its a fun game that kids like to play. The u15 u 13 model etc isn't needed because numbers are up. The cleanest way to play is BIRTHDAYS...simple.

Thank you logical person.

OP - "I like holdbacks, sport is growing, ergo holdbacks are driving the growth of the sport." Talk about a strange narrative...

I don't think anyone said it is growing because of holdbacks. I think it was stated that the market seemed to be in agreement with the system based on growth. The argument on the other side is that the grade-based bracket system is a travesty, and while certainly an understandable opinion, the market does not seem to agree. Rec was always 2 year spreads, so to some degree, this system is actually more in the direction of your argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sport hasn't grown because of prefirst or holdbacks. Its grown because football and baseball numbers are down and soccer lets just say sucks. And its a fun game that kids like to play. The u15 u 13 model etc isn't needed because numbers are up. The cleanest way to play is BIRTHDAYS...simple.

Thank you logical person.

OP - "I like holdbacks, sport is growing, ergo holdbacks are driving the growth of the sport." Talk about a strange narrative...

So if they changed it, your kid would still be on the same team, unaffected. A handful of kids from AA teams would move up, and some really good younger kids that would jump up will fill those spots. So really, you just don't like a few private school kids that you know, and you like to whine about the fact that they are a year older in your league, even though it has nothing to do with your situation. Got it.

if the coaches are not there then they are not doing their job...it would be impossible for them to evaluate, and make a determination on a single player much less multiple players from their JR year on. You have never been involved with the recruiting of players from an evaluation stand point if you think they are just going to stop showing up. Keep thinking that. Ill bet lots of coaches are at this one. if you were lucky enough to be invited you will see them there

CRABFEAST 2017

Jun 24 - 25, 2017

A handful of kids...more like 40 percent would move on. My kid would move up. And I don't whine just the facts. Its not about private school holdbacks. Every youth sport is by birthday. EVERY ONE!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A handful of kids...more like 40 percent would move on. My kid would move up. And I don't whine just the facts. Its not about private school holdbacks. Every youth sport is by birthday. EVERY ONE!!!!

Lacrosse was never by birth year at rec levels, and clubs are private, so they do whatever they want. There are not enough kids in the rural areas to field teams at every birth year in rec lacrosse. So while you use exclamation for your main point, everyone with understanding of the history of the game realizes youth lacrosse has never been able to sustain an individual birth year system universally at the rec youth levels. Rec teams to this date are U9, U11, U13, etc... This is not every sport; this is a very very small sport in comparison to football, baseball, and soccer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sport hasn't grown because of prefirst or holdbacks. Its grown because football and baseball numbers are down and soccer lets just say sucks. And its a fun game that kids like to play. The u15 u 13 model etc isn't needed because numbers are up. The cleanest way to play is BIRTHDAYS...simple.

Thank you logical person.

OP - "I like holdbacks, sport is growing, ergo holdbacks are driving the growth of the sport." Talk about a strange narrative...

I don't think anyone said it is growing because of holdbacks. I think it was stated that the market seemed to be in agreement with the system based on growth. The argument on the other side is that the grade-based bracket system is a travesty, and while certainly an understandable opinion, the market does not seem to agree. Rec was always 2 year spreads, so to some degree, this system is actually more in the direction of your argument.

We are now grade based and the sport is thriving, therefore the growth is due to the grade based system - this a fallacy. I will counter your argument by pointing out that the helmets look much cooler than they did 5 years ago, therefore the sport is growing because 'the market' likes the cool helmets.

The growth is due to the reasons cited a few posts up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A handful of kids...more like 40 percent would move on. My kid would move up. And I don't whine just the facts. Its not about private school holdbacks. Every youth sport is by birthday. EVERY ONE!!!!

Actually lax was never by 1 year birth day spreads. It was always by skill level within a two year spread. That is an indisputable fact. Changing to a 1 year system would be an unnecessary adjustment. There are tryouts, so you end up at your skill level, only now closer to one year spreads using the grad year system. What is your argument with the old rec system, that you got to be older every other year? Is that really saying much about skill if you are waiting for every other year to say you think you've gotten better? This is silly, but liberals are on a particularly whiny streak these days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are sadly mistaken if you think the whole recruiting thing is changing.
Yes they can not communicate with the student until 11 grade.
But they can follow the student from whenever they want. If you don't think the coaches will be at 7&8 grade games your delusional. Coaches will be on the sideline making notes about the kids they want and talking to club coaches.
(they do it in AAU basketball all the time) Then they watch how the kid develops and matures both physically and athletically and the kids either move up or down on the coaches recruiting chart....and oh by the way the also see how the kids parents act as well..lots of kids have missed opportunities because of their parents. I project the sidelines will continue to be lined with coaches...that's why teams like FCA, Crabs etc who have relationships with the college coaches will prosper.

More nonsense from crabland. Let us know when you see a coach at an 8th grade game.

I can say that there were plenty of coaches watching 8th grade girls last weekend at the tournament in Hershey. I'd imagine it will be the same with the boys this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sport hasn't grown because of prefirst or holdbacks. Its grown because football and baseball numbers are down and soccer lets just say sucks. And its a fun game that kids like to play. The u15 u 13 model etc isn't needed because numbers are up. The cleanest way to play is BIRTHDAYS...simple.

Thank you logical person.

OP - "I like holdbacks, sport is growing, ergo holdbacks are driving the growth of the sport." Talk about a strange narrative...

I don't think anyone said it is growing because of holdbacks. I think it was stated that the market seemed to be in agreement with the system based on growth. The argument on the other side is that the grade-based bracket system is a travesty, and while certainly an understandable opinion, the market does not seem to agree. Rec was always 2 year spreads, so to some degree, this system is actually more in the direction of your argument.

We are now grade based and the sport is thriving, therefore the growth is due to the grade based system - this a fallacy. I will counter your argument by pointing out that the helmets look much cooler than they did 5 years ago, therefore the sport is growing because 'the market' likes the cool helmets.

The growth is due to the reasons cited a few posts up.

Again, since you are such a smarty pants, nobody said growing "because" of holdbacks. You are apparently arguing against your version of the opposition, so have at it. At the end of the day, what's in place is working great and thriving, and certainly an organizational system is much more of a factor in success than a piece of equipment, but again, you are smart, so you know that..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sport doubled youth participation last year. Seems the market agrees with the system, no?

Yes ,the sport doubled in size because of holdbacks...idiot.

It doubled, yes. Within prominently grade based system, yes. But that is stupid, because doesn't fit your narrative, so let's change it.

It is pretty stupid to make a correlation for growth of sport due to grade or age. Grown for many reasons . Lacrosse is the only YOUTH sport at this time that goes by grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are sadly mistaken if you think the whole recruiting thing is changing.
Yes they can not communicate with the student until 11 grade.
But they can follow the student from whenever they want. If you don't think the coaches will be at 7&8 grade games your delusional. Coaches will be on the sideline making notes about the kids they want and talking to club coaches.
(they do it in AAU basketball all the time) Then they watch how the kid develops and matures both physically and athletically and the kids either move up or down on the coaches recruiting chart....and oh by the way the also see how the kids parents act as well..lots of kids have missed opportunities because of their parents. I project the sidelines will continue to be lined with coaches...that's why teams like FCA, Crabs etc who have relationships with the college coaches will prosper.

Thanks Ryan for another round of BS. Recruiting IS changing. Your Hero Ty Xanders recently tweeted at a tournament that there were " barely any coaches watching " 2020 ! 2021 is a ghost town of coaches, none there. They were concentrating on 2018 and 2019 . Without the NCAA stepping in and stopping this madness of ER in April, the sidelines of 2020 and 2021 would have been full.

The complete straw man argument that rec lacrosse was two year difference before with U11..U13..U15. That was due to trying to field teams with limited players. Now with the growth of the sport... A simple U11, U12, U13, U14 would work just right. Do you apologists even think things thru??

Even with two years , every other year you were with the older group. You never had a select group of kids get to be the oldest their entire time of playinf youth lacrosse while other kids same birthday got ZERO advantage.. Most tournament teams were second year older kids on A and first year younger kids on B. Pretty simple and easy..Only issue was cheating on age of kids. Lacrosse needs a system similiar to soccer. Cards the coaches keep certified by USL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The complete straw man argument that rec lacrosse was two year difference before with U11..U13..U15. That was due to trying to field teams with limited players. Now with the growth of the sport... A simple U11, U12, U13, U14 would work just right. Do you apologists even think things thru??

Even with two years , every other year you were with the older group. You never had a select group of kids get to be the oldest their entire time of playinf youth lacrosse while other kids same birthday got ZERO advantage.. Most tournament teams were second year older kids on A and first year younger kids on B. Pretty simple and easy..Only issue was cheating on age of kids. Lacrosse needs a system similiar to soccer. Cards the coaches keep certified by USL.

Yep, this. Once again the grade-based argument does not hold water.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The complete straw man argument that rec lacrosse was two year difference before with U11..U13..U15. That was due to trying to field teams with limited players. Now with the growth of the sport... A simple U11, U12, U13, U14 would work just right. Do you apologists even think things thru??

Even with two years , every other year you were with the older group. You never had a select group of kids get to be the oldest their entire time of playinf youth lacrosse while other kids same birthday got ZERO advantage.. Most tournament teams were second year older kids on A and first year younger kids on B. Pretty simple and easy..Only issue was cheating on age of kids. Lacrosse needs a system similiar to soccer. Cards the coaches keep certified by USL.

Also, under the old system better players played up, not down.

In my long history with lacrosse, it was/is a skill game played among closely-aged peers, but always multiple grades. Some played up, some played down based on skill, speed, strength, and size, none of which are driven by exact birth year exclusively. May we reserve this fancy nancy crap for the soccer forum, please?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my long history with lacrosse, it was/is a skill game played among closely-aged peers, but always multiple grades. Some played up, some played down based on skill, speed, strength, and size, none of which are driven by exact birth year exclusively. May we reserve this fancy nancy crap for the soccer forum, please?

If you are referring to the word 'Fair" as fancy nancy then yes sir we are fancy nancy. Yes life is not fair but most god fearing people work towards a fair system for all. I have never once seen any one on hear argue that a kid should not be able to play up a year. As long as a kid can play up this solves all the Pro hold back peoples issues. All the guys who say I like my son to be pushed, I like my son to play with bigger stronger players. Well feel free play Johnny up a age bracket feel free.
Oh and a side note do you call youth tackle football Fancy Nacy? Because most football leagues have age and weight rules. And even the ones who go no weight limit do have a age cut off.

2016_age_weight_chart

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The complete straw man argument that rec lacrosse was two year difference before with U11..U13..U15. That was due to trying to field teams with limited players. Now with the growth of the sport... A simple U11, U12, U13, U14 would work just right. Do you apologists even think things thru??

Even with two years , every other year you were with the older group. You never had a select group of kids get to be the oldest their entire time of playinf youth lacrosse while other kids same birthday got ZERO advantage.. Most tournament teams were second year older kids on A and first year younger kids on B. Pretty simple and easy..Only issue was cheating on age of kids. Lacrosse needs a system similiar to soccer. Cards the coaches keep certified by USL.

Yep, this. Once again the grade-based argument does not hold water.

Sure, lots of thought given. I've come to conclusion that many on both sides of the argument want their kid to seem better now, not actually be better over time. Same thing you don't like about holdback kids that stand out under the current rules, but you want to dilute the division to make your kid seem better. You want to adjust to new rules, so your kid will look better in the system, now. I totally get it. I made my kid play up until HS, because I understand the game, but do you? Winning all of your youth games and thinking you are the best at the youth level is for helicopter parents. The holdbacks that could play up will be about as successful as your kid by changing to birth year, over time. Those of us that understand the actual game use the rules to get better, not to look better when it doesn't matter. No doubt at all that some kids play down to look better, but what are you trying to accomplish for your kid? Your hate of what they do is driving you to focus on the wrong goals for your kid. Diluting the talent in your division to give an impression that the average kids are better may satisfy a short term goal for parents, but actually weakens long term potential for the players. Again, I get it, and am by no means a fan of playing down, but there is a humble way to use what you hate to get what you want. Lots of thoughts given, brother, and sure it hurts to watch kids struggle, but that's why seasoned adults are supposed to understand the marathon, and you make adjustments along the way in an attempt to balance fun and meaningful growth. My guess, the Crabs forum is not for you, but hope this helps, my friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my long history with lacrosse, it was/is a skill game played among closely-aged peers, but always multiple grades. Some played up, some played down based on skill, speed, strength, and size, none of which are driven by exact birth year exclusively. May we reserve this fancy nancy crap for the soccer forum, please?

If you are referring to the word 'Fair" as fancy nancy then yes sir we are fancy nancy. Yes life is not fair but most god fearing people work towards a fair system for all. I have never once seen any one on hear argue that a kid should not be able to play up a year. As long as a kid can play up this solves all the Pro hold back peoples issues. All the guys who say I like my son to be pushed, I like my son to play with bigger stronger players. Well feel free play Johnny up a age bracket feel free.
Oh and a side note do you call youth tackle football Fancy Nacy? Because most football leagues have age and weight rules. And even the ones who go no weight limit do have a age cut off.

2016_age_weight_chart

So lacrosse hasn't been fair, ever? Because what you are proposing would be new. Aren't there enough teams and clubs to gauge and satisfy the talent levels now, without discriminating by private vs public school curriculum? You are proposing breaking up basically 1/3 or more of the teams per division, so it's not just like moving a handful of kids. That is a dramatic proposal for a successful industry with extraordinary consistent growth.
Why would I criticize football? I love the way they do football too, very appropriate for football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my long history with lacrosse, it was/is a skill game played among closely-aged peers, but always multiple grades. Some played up, some played down based on skill, speed, strength, and size, none of which are driven by exact birth year exclusively. May we reserve this fancy nancy crap for the soccer forum, please?

If you are referring to the word 'Fair" as fancy nancy then yes sir we are fancy nancy. Yes life is not fair but most god fearing people work towards a fair system for all. I have never once seen any one on hear argue that a kid should not be able to play up a year. As long as a kid can play up this solves all the Pro hold back peoples issues. All the guys who say I like my son to be pushed, I like my son to play with bigger stronger players. Well feel free play Johnny up a age bracket feel free.
Oh and a side note do you call youth tackle football Fancy Nacy? Because most football leagues have age and weight rules. And even the ones who go no weight limit do have a age cut off.

2016_age_weight_chart

The grade based proponents have very little argument for their cause now. The main reason from clubs ( which had some validity) was that Early Recruiting was occurring at 8th grade and 9th grade for committing 9th graders. College coaches wanted to see them in grade.

Even the NCAA saw recruiting 9th graders as a destructive thing for lacrosse .So they changed the ER rules to 11th grade. So that big grade base argument is GONE. Sidelines of 2020 and 2021 are already empty of coaches ( Ty Xanders quoted that ). High School years with school and club will be the important years for recruiting ( if that is your purpose) .

Playing up was always a big thing and badge of honor just a few years ago. Playing down was for the occasional player ( super small, etc) who everyone knew could use it. Even then they were just average at best. How it became acceptable to play down is beyond me.

Club coaches can spin it anyway they want, but youth lacrosse ( 8th and under) will not be that important for recruiting anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The complete straw man argument that rec lacrosse was two year difference before with U11..U13..U15. That was due to trying to field teams with limited players. Now with the growth of the sport... A simple U11, U12, U13, U14 would work just right. Do you apologists even think things thru??

Even with two years , every other year you were with the older group. You never had a select group of kids get to be the oldest their entire time of playinf youth lacrosse while other kids same birthday got ZERO advantage.. Most tournament teams were second year older kids on A and first year younger kids on B. Pretty simple and easy..Only issue was cheating on age of kids. Lacrosse needs a system similiar to soccer. Cards the coaches keep certified by USL.

Yep, this. Once again the grade-based argument does not hold water.

Sure, lots of thought given. I've come to conclusion that many on both sides of the argument want their kid to seem better now, not actually be better over time. Same thing you don't like about holdback kids that stand out under the current rules, but you want to dilute the division to make your kid seem better. You want to adjust to new rules, so your kid will look better in the system, now. I totally get it. I made my kid play up until HS, because I understand the game, but do you? Winning all of your youth games and thinking you are the best at the youth level is for helicopter parents. The holdbacks that could play up will be about as successful as your kid by changing to birth year, over time. Those of us that understand the actual game use the rules to get better, not to look better when it doesn't matter. No doubt at all that some kids play down to look better, but what are you trying to accomplish for your kid? Your hate of what they do is driving you to focus on the wrong goals for your kid. Diluting the talent in your division to give an impression that the average kids are better may satisfy a short term goal for parents, but actually weakens long term potential for the players. Again, I get it, and am by no means a fan of playing down, but there is a humble way to use what you hate to get what you want. Lots of thoughts given, brother, and sure it hurts to watch kids struggle, but that's why seasoned adults are supposed to understand the marathon, and you make adjustments along the way in an attempt to balance fun and meaningful growth. My guess, the Crabs forum is not for you, but hope this helps, my friend.

Oh boy....

I don't want my kid to seem better now, I want him to compete and be evaluated against his actual peers. If he decides to play up against bigger stronger faster competition that should be our choice, not some other parent's.

Requiring kids to play with kids their own age is not diluting competition - it's how every other sport works.

You do not use the rules to get better, you use the lack of rules to look better. Playing down makes average kids look like studs.

If this is a marathon then the holdbacks are riding in a golf cart.

Subtext of this entire post - you tell everyone else to play up to get better and you give your kid the easy path. Sad and a poor life lesson I think. Teaching our kids to make ethical choices throughout their lives, and not look for loopholes and shortcuts, is the real marathon, and that's where you are failing badly, my friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The complete straw man argument that rec lacrosse was two year difference before with U11..U13..U15. That was due to trying to field teams with limited players. Now with the growth of the sport... A simple U11, U12, U13, U14 would work just right. Do you apologists even think things thru??

Even with two years , every other year you were with the older group. You never had a select group of kids get to be the oldest their entire time of playinf youth lacrosse while other kids same birthday got ZERO advantage.. Most tournament teams were second year older kids on A and first year younger kids on B. Pretty simple and easy..Only issue was cheating on age of kids. Lacrosse needs a system similiar to soccer. Cards the coaches keep certified by USL.

Yep, this. Once again the grade-based argument does not hold water.

Sure, lots of thought given. I've come to conclusion that many on both sides of the argument want their kid to seem better now, not actually be better over time. Same thing you don't like about holdback kids that stand out under the current rules, but you want to dilute the division to make your kid seem better. You want to adjust to new rules, so your kid will look better in the system, now. I totally get it. I made my kid play up until HS, because I understand the game, but do you? Winning all of your youth games and thinking you are the best at the youth level is for helicopter parents. The holdbacks that could play up will be about as successful as your kid by changing to birth year, over time. Those of us that understand the actual game use the rules to get better, not to look better when it doesn't matter. No doubt at all that some kids play down to look better, but what are you trying to accomplish for your kid? Your hate of what they do is driving you to focus on the wrong goals for your kid. Diluting the talent in your division to give an impression that the average kids are better may satisfy a short term goal for parents, but actually weakens long term potential for the players. Again, I get it, and am by no means a fan of playing down, but there is a humble way to use what you hate to get what you want. Lots of thoughts given, brother, and sure it hurts to watch kids struggle, but that's why seasoned adults are supposed to understand the marathon, and you make adjustments along the way in an attempt to balance fun and meaningful growth. My guess, the Crabs forum is not for you, but hope this helps, my friend.

So your advice is to play against these better holdback/prefirst/reclass players. It will only make you stronger. But why dont you give that same advice to these same players? Do these players get to always have an advantage for the unskilled players to train against?? LOL

Only a fool doesnt see the advantage of being the oldest prior to puberty and even first few years of puberty. The bigger players will always get more playing time with competitive youth teams.
Being a year older gets you that time. Ever here of book Outliers? Maybe read it.

Being the oldest works at Youth sports . Is that the youth sports you want?Advantage to a select few but not others with same exact birthday. Youth sports will never be perfect but age restrictions is about the best there is. All Youth sports do it except for youth lacrosse.

Sure, lots of thought given. I've come to conclusion that many on both sides of the argument want their kid to seem better now, not actually be better over time. Same thing you don't like about holdback kids that stand out under the current rules, but you want to dilute the division to make your kid seem better. You want to adjust to new rules, so your kid will look better in the system, now. I totally get it. I made my kid play up until HS, because I understand the game, but do you? Winning all of your youth games and thinking you are the best at the youth level is for helicopter parents. The holdbacks that could play up will be about as successful as your kid by changing to birth year, over time. Those of us that understand the actual game use the rules to get better, not to look better when it doesn't matter. No doubt at all that some kids play down to look better, but what are you trying to accomplish for your kid? Your hate of what they do is driving you to focus on the wrong goals for your kid. Diluting the talent in your division to give an impression that the average kids are better may satisfy a short term goal for parents, but actually weakens long term potential for the players. Again, I get it, and am by no means a fan of playing down, but there is a humble way to use what you hate to get what you want. Lots of thoughts given, brother, and sure it hurts to watch kids struggle, but that's why seasoned adults are supposed to understand the marathon, and you make adjustments along the way in an attempt to balance fun and meaningful growth. My guess, the Crabs forum is not for you, but hope this helps, my friend. [/quote]

Oh boy....

I don't want my kid to seem better now, I want him to compete and be evaluated against his actual peers. If he decides to play up against bigger stronger faster competition that should be our choice, not some other parent's.

Requiring kids to play with kids their own age is not diluting competition - it's how every other sport works.

You do not use the rules to get better, you use the lack of rules to look better. Playing down makes average kids look like studs.

If this is a marathon then the holdbacks are riding in a golf cart.

Subtext of this entire post - you tell everyone else to play up to get better and you give your kid the easy path. Sad and a poor life lesson I think. Teaching our kids to make ethical choices throughout their lives, and not look for loopholes and shortcuts, is the real marathon, and that's where you are failing badly, my friend.[/quote]

Go shove a fidget spinner up your rear end and track it with your iphone. There's no age bracket for that, and you should be quite skilled. Just teach your kid to duck, life is tough sometimes, and there's no birth year sign up once you are on your own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The complete straw man argument that rec lacrosse was two year difference before with U11..U13..U15. That was due to trying to field teams with limited players. Now with the growth of the sport... A simple U11, U12, U13, U14 would work just right. Do you apologists even think things thru??

Even with two years , every other year you were with the older group. You never had a select group of kids get to be the oldest their entire time of playinf youth lacrosse while other kids same birthday got ZERO advantage.. Most tournament teams were second year older kids on A and first year younger kids on B. Pretty simple and easy..Only issue was cheating on age of kids. Lacrosse needs a system similiar to soccer. Cards the coaches keep certified by USL.

Yep, this. Once again the grade-based argument does not hold water.

Sure, lots of thought given. I've come to conclusion that many on both sides of the argument want their kid to seem better now, not actually be better over time. Same thing you don't like about holdback kids that stand out under the current rules, but you want to dilute the division to make your kid seem better. You want to adjust to new rules, so your kid will look better in the system, now. I totally get it. I made my kid play up until HS, because I understand the game, but do you? Winning all of your youth games and thinking you are the best at the youth level is for helicopter parents. The holdbacks that could play up will be about as successful as your kid by changing to birth year, over time. Those of us that understand the actual game use the rules to get better, not to look better when it doesn't matter. No doubt at all that some kids play down to look better, but what are you trying to accomplish for your kid? Your hate of what they do is driving you to focus on the wrong goals for your kid. Diluting the talent in your division to give an impression that the average kids are better may satisfy a short term goal for parents, but actually weakens long term potential for the players. Again, I get it, and am by no means a fan of playing down, but there is a humble way to use what you hate to get what you want. Lots of thoughts given, brother, and sure it hurts to watch kids struggle, but that's why seasoned adults are supposed to understand the marathon, and you make adjustments along the way in an attempt to balance fun and meaningful growth. My guess, the Crabs forum is not for you, but hope this helps, my friend.

So your advice is to play against these better holdback/prefirst/reclass players. It will only make you stronger. But why dont you give that same advice to these same players? Do these players get to always have an advantage for the unskilled players to train against?? LOL

Only a fool doesnt see the advantage of being the oldest prior to puberty and even first few years of puberty. The bigger players will always get more playing time with competitive youth teams.
Being a year older gets you that time. Ever here of book Outliers? Maybe read it.

Being the oldest works at Youth sports . Is that the youth sports you want?Advantage to a select few but not others with same exact birthday. Youth sports will never be perfect but age restrictions is about the best there is. All Youth sports do it except for youth lacrosse.

I did give that advice. You only read what you wanted to read, because you are stuck on talking points. It is what it is for now, no point in talking to someone that can't open their mind for a mere second. Ever read the book Why We Suck by Dennis Leary. Definitely read it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The complete straw man argument that rec lacrosse was two year difference before with U11..U13..U15. That was due to trying to field teams with limited players. Now with the growth of the sport... A simple U11, U12, U13, U14 would work just right. Do you apologists even think things thru??

Even with two years , every other year you were with the older group. You never had a select group of kids get to be the oldest their entire time of playinf youth lacrosse while other kids same birthday got ZERO advantage.. Most tournament teams were second year older kids on A and first year younger kids on B. Pretty simple and easy..Only issue was cheating on age of kids. Lacrosse needs a system similiar to soccer. Cards the coaches keep certified by USL.

Yep, this. Once again the grade-based argument does not hold water.

Sure, lots of thought given. I've come to conclusion that many on both sides of the argument want their kid to seem better now, not actually be better over time. Same thing you don't like about holdback kids that stand out under the current rules, but you want to dilute the division to make your kid seem better. You want to adjust to new rules, so your kid will look better in the system, now. I totally get it. I made my kid play up until HS, because I understand the game, but do you? Winning all of your youth games and thinking you are the best at the youth level is for helicopter parents. The holdbacks that could play up will be about as successful as your kid by changing to birth year, over time. Those of us that understand the actual game use the rules to get better, not to look better when it doesn't matter. No doubt at all that some kids play down to look better, but what are you trying to accomplish for your kid? Your hate of what they do is driving you to focus on the wrong goals for your kid. Diluting the talent in your division to give an impression that the average kids are better may satisfy a short term goal for parents, but actually weakens long term potential for the players. Again, I get it, and am by no means a fan of playing down, but there is a humble way to use what you hate to get what you want. Lots of thoughts given, brother, and sure it hurts to watch kids struggle, but that's why seasoned adults are supposed to understand the marathon, and you make adjustments along the way in an attempt to balance fun and meaningful growth. My guess, the Crabs forum is not for you, but hope this helps, my friend.

Oh boy....

I don't want my kid to seem better now, I want him to compete and be evaluated against his actual peers. If he decides to play up against bigger stronger faster competition that should be our choice, not some other parent's.

Requiring kids to play with kids their own age is not diluting competition - it's how every other sport works.

You do not use the rules to get better, you use the lack of rules to look better. Playing down makes average kids look like studs.

If this is a marathon then the holdbacks are riding in a golf cart.

Subtext of this entire post - you tell everyone else to play up to get better and you give your kid the easy path. Sad and a poor life lesson I think. Teaching our kids to make ethical choices throughout their lives, and not look for loopholes and shortcuts, is the real marathon, and that's where you are failing badly, my friend.

You're With Her

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The complete straw man argument that rec lacrosse was two year difference before with U11..U13..U15. That was due to trying to field teams with limited players. Now with the growth of the sport... A simple U11, U12, U13, U14 would work just right. Do you apologists even think things thru??

Even with two years , every other year you were with the older group. You never had a select group of kids get to be the oldest their entire time of playinf youth lacrosse while other kids same birthday got ZERO advantage.. Most tournament teams were second year older kids on A and first year younger kids on B. Pretty simple and easy..Only issue was cheating on age of kids. Lacrosse needs a system similiar to soccer. Cards the coaches keep certified by USL.

Yep, this. Once again the grade-based argument does not hold water.

Sure, lots of thought given. I've come to conclusion that many on both sides of the argument want their kid to seem better now, not actually be better over time. Same thing you don't like about holdback kids that stand out under the current rules, but you want to dilute the division to make your kid seem better. You want to adjust to new rules, so your kid will look better in the system, now. I totally get it. I made my kid play up until HS, because I understand the game, but do you? Winning all of your youth games and thinking you are the best at the youth level is for helicopter parents. The holdbacks that could play up will be about as successful as your kid by changing to birth year, over time. Those of us that understand the actual game use the rules to get better, not to look better when it doesn't matter. No doubt at all that some kids play down to look better, but what are you trying to accomplish for your kid? Your hate of what they do is driving you to focus on the wrong goals for your kid. Diluting the talent in your division to give an impression that the average kids are better may satisfy a short term goal for parents, but actually weakens long term potential for the players. Again, I get it, and am by no means a fan of playing down, but there is a humble way to use what you hate to get what you want. Lots of thoughts given, brother, and sure it hurts to watch kids struggle, but that's why seasoned adults are supposed to understand the marathon, and you make adjustments along the way in an attempt to balance fun and meaningful growth. My guess, the Crabs forum is not for you, but hope this helps, my friend.

So your advice is to play against these better holdback/prefirst/reclass players. It will only make you stronger. But why dont you give that same advice to these same players? Do these players get to always have an advantage for the unskilled players to train against?? LOL

Only a fool doesnt see the advantage of being the oldest prior to puberty and even first few years of puberty. The bigger players will always get more playing time with competitive youth teams.
Being a year older gets you that time. Ever here of book Outliers? Maybe read it.

Being the oldest works at Youth sports . Is that the youth sports you want?Advantage to a select few but not others with same exact birthday. Youth sports will never be perfect but age restrictions is about the best there is. All Youth sports do it except for youth lacrosse.

I did give that advice. You only read what you wanted to read, because you are stuck on talking points. It is what it is for now, no point in talking to someone that can't open their mind for a mere second. Ever read the book Why We Suck by Dennis Leary. Definitely read it.

Ha. Previous poster cites an accomplished and respected author who has produced actual resesearch on the subject of age bias in youth sports. Holdback parent counters with...Dennis Leary, priceless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure, lots of thought given. I've come to conclusion that many on both sides of the argument want their kid to seem better now, not actually be better over time. Same thing you don't like about holdback kids that stand out under the current rules, but you want to dilute the division to make your kid seem better. You want to adjust to new rules, so your kid will look better in the system, now. I totally get it. I made my kid play up until HS, because I understand the game, but do you? Winning all of your youth games and thinking you are the best at the youth level is for helicopter parents. The holdbacks that could play up will be about as successful as your kid by changing to birth year, over time. Those of us that understand the actual game use the rules to get better, not to look better when it doesn't matter. No doubt at all that some kids play down to look better, but what are you trying to accomplish for your kid? Your hate of what they do is driving you to focus on the wrong goals for your kid. Diluting the talent in your division to give an impression that the average kids are better may satisfy a short term goal for parents, but actually weakens long term potential for the players. Again, I get it, and am by no means a fan of playing down, but there is a humble way to use what you hate to get what you want. Lots of thoughts given, brother, and sure it hurts to watch kids struggle, but that's why seasoned adults are supposed to understand the marathon, and you make adjustments along the way in an attempt to balance fun and meaningful growth. My guess, the Crabs forum is not for you, but hope this helps, my friend.

Oh boy....

I don't want my kid to seem better now, I want him to compete and be evaluated against his actual peers. If he decides to play up against bigger stronger faster competition that should be our choice, not some other parent's.

Requiring kids to play with kids their own age is not diluting competition - it's how every other sport works.

You do not use the rules to get better, you use the lack of rules to look better. Playing down makes average kids look like studs.

If this is a marathon then the holdbacks are riding in a golf cart.

Subtext of this entire post - you tell everyone else to play up to get better and you give your kid the easy path. Sad and a poor life lesson I think. Teaching our kids to make ethical choices throughout their lives, and not look for loopholes and shortcuts, is the real marathon, and that's where you are failing badly, my friend.[/quote]

Go shove a fidget spinner up your rear end and track it with your iphone. There's no age bracket for that, and you should be quite skilled. Just teach your kid to duck, life is tough sometimes, and there's no birth year sign up once you are on your own.

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We all know life is tough, how gracious of you to offer to teach everyone else's kids tough life lessons while smoothing the path for your own. Weak and pathetic.

Nice comeback, why do these threads with holdback parents always end like this? What's next..
I know you are, what am I?

Being the oldest works at Youth sports . Is that the youth sports you want?Advantage to a select few but not others with same exact birthday. Youth sports will never be perfect but age restrictions is about the best there is. All Youth sports do it except for youth lacrosse. [/quote]

I did give that advice. You only read what you wanted to read, because you are stuck on talking points. It is what it is for now, no point in talking to someone that can't open their mind for a mere second. Ever read the book Why We Suck by Dennis Leary. Definitely read it. [/quote]

Ha. Previous poster cites an accomplished and respected author who has produced actual resesearch on the subject of age bias in youth sports. Holdback parent counters with...Dennis Leary, priceless.[/quote]

Ha, original poster responds in 3rd person to someone that responds to his original post. Priceless!!! No seriously, read that book.

Go shove a fidget spinner up your rear end and track it with your iphone. There's no age bracket for that, and you should be quite skilled. Just teach your kid to duck, life is tough sometimes, and there's no birth year sign up once you are on your own.

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We all know life is tough, how gracious of you to offer to teach everyone else's kids tough life lessons while smoothing the path for your own. Weak and pathetic.

Nice comeback, why do these threads with holdback parents always end like this? What's next..
I know you are, what am I?

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Club is exactly as advertised, to prepare kids that want to eventually make it to Varsity HS levels, and perhaps beyond. If you want fair for all, birth year, play or fun, all of that happy horsesh*t, stay with rec and argue with those folks about the age requirements. This is a business, not a mandate, take yourself down the road to the competitor. Don't let the holdbacks slap your a*s on the way by, some of them are pretty big boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are sadly mistaken if you think the whole recruiting thing is changing.
Yes they can not communicate with the student until 11 grade.
But they can follow the student from whenever they want. If you don't think the coaches will be at 7&8 grade games your delusional. Coaches will be on the sideline making notes about the kids they want and talking to club coaches.
(they do it in AAU basketball all the time) Then they watch how the kid develops and matures both physically and athletically and the kids either move up or down on the coaches recruiting chart....and oh by the way the also see how the kids parents act as well..lots of kids have missed opportunities because of their parents. I project the sidelines will continue to be lined with coaches...that's why teams like FCA, Crabs etc who have relationships with the college coaches will prosper.

More nonsense from crabland. Let us know when you see a coach at an 8th grade game.

Last weekend on Long Island an Ivy Assistant Coach was in attendance at 8th grade games. Know this person though his parents, and he was not there for the fun of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go shove a fidget spinner up your rear end and track it with your iphone. There's no age bracket for that, and you should be quite skilled. Just teach your kid to duck, life is tough sometimes, and there's no birth year sign up once you are on your own.

We all know life is tough, how gracious of you to offer to teach everyone else's kids tough life lessons while smoothing the path for your own. Weak and pathetic.

Nice comeback, why do these threads with holdback parents always end like this? What's next..
I know you are, what am I?

[/quote]

Club is exactly as advertised, to prepare kids that want to eventually make it to Varsity HS levels, and perhaps beyond. If you want fair for all, birth year, play or fun, all of that happy horsesh*t, stay with rec and argue with those folks about the age requirements. This is a business, not a mandate, take yourself down the road to the competitor. Don't let the holdbacks slap your a*s on the way by, some of them are pretty big boys.
[/quote]

Oooh, a tersely worded response (designed to make us back down)

Yes, we all know what the club is...emblematic of everything that's wrong with youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go shove a fidget spinner up your rear end and track it with your iphone. There's no age bracket for that, and you should be quite skilled. Just teach your kid to duck, life is tough sometimes, and there's no birth year sign up once you are on your own.

We all know life is tough, how gracious of you to offer to teach everyone else's kids tough life lessons while smoothing the path for your own. Weak and pathetic.

Nice comeback, why do these threads with holdback parents always end like this? What's next..
I know you are, what am I?

[/quote]

Club is exactly as advertised, to prepare kids that want to eventually make it to Varsity HS levels, and perhaps beyond. If you want fair for all, birth year, play or fun, all of that happy horsesh*t, stay with rec and argue with those folks about the age requirements. This is a business, not a mandate, take yourself down the road to the competitor. Don't let the holdbacks slap your a*s on the way by, some of them are pretty big boys.
[/quote]

If these are 2020 Crabs we are talking about then the on-age kids from Crush will be spanking them...each and every time.

Denver, 19-8, never forget!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are sadly mistaken if you think the whole recruiting thing is changing.
Yes they can not communicate with the student until 11 grade.
But they can follow the student from whenever they want. If you don't think the coaches will be at 7&8 grade games your delusional. Coaches will be on the sideline making notes about the kids they want and talking to club coaches.
(they do it in AAU basketball all the time) Then they watch how the kid develops and matures both physically and athletically and the kids either move up or down on the coaches recruiting chart....and oh by the way the also see how the kids parents act as well..lots of kids have missed opportunities because of their parents. I project the sidelines will continue to be lined with coaches...that's why teams like FCA, Crabs etc who have relationships with the college coaches will prosper.

More nonsense from crabland. Let us know when you see a coach at an 8th grade game.

Last weekend on Long Island an Ivy Assistant Coach was in attendance at 8th grade games. Know this person though his parents, and he was not there for the fun of it.

Complete and utter BS...Sorry Ryan..8th grade is no longer in the mix for recruiting. Your logic for an Ivy watching 8th grade for recruiting is beyond Hilarious!
2021 has very little college coaches right now. Mainly leftovers from a bygone era. 9th and 10 grade HS and summer club will be the time of possible looks by coaches. Of course no contact until 11th

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go shove a fidget spinner up your rear end and track it with your iphone. There's no age bracket for that, and you should be quite skilled. Just teach your kid to duck, life is tough sometimes, and there's no birth year sign up once you are on your own.

We all know life is tough, how gracious of you to offer to teach everyone else's kids tough life lessons while smoothing the path for your own. Weak and pathetic.

Nice comeback, why do these threads with holdback parents always end like this? What's next..
I know you are, what am I?

Club is exactly as advertised, to prepare kids that want to eventually make it to Varsity HS levels, and perhaps beyond. If you want fair for all, birth year, play or fun, all of that happy horsesh*t, stay with rec and argue with those folks about the age requirements. This is a business, not a mandate, take yourself down the road to the competitor. Don't let the holdbacks slap your a*s on the way by, some of them are pretty big boys.
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If these are 2020 Crabs we are talking about then the on-age kids from Crush will be spanking them...each and every time.

Denver, 19-8, never forget![/quote]

Ahhh, living vicariously through teams that your kid isn't even on, so great

you are an IDIOT...tell your hold back kid to play with kids his own AGE...maybe that will prepare him to play HS or beyond...

Just for fun or to prove your point, look up the ages of Rambo, Pons and Colin Heacock. Three of the best to ever come through College Park including the Tewaaraton winner. I will save you some time. All of them turned 20 way before your typical college student. No prep school just good ole fashion hold backs.
Holding back works at youth, high school and college levels. Look at the kids at Navy who are 21 year old freshman. They are pre-first, held back, prepped then on to Annapolis. Service academies are the biggest benefactors of hold backs.
By the time they are a pro, time catches up but by then who cares. They have the awards and degree from a university.
You may see it as unfair or not right but it is not a violation of the rules (which don't really exist).
If a parent wants to hold their kid back then that is the way it is. I'm going to hold back all four (2 already) of my boys because it works. When your kid is fighting for that D2 look my kid will have a 50% scholarship to Penn or Princeton.
"You are living through your kids" damn right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just for fun or to prove your point, look up the ages of Rambo, Pons and Colin Heacock. Three of the best to ever come through College Park including the Tewaaraton winner. I will save you some time. All of them turned 20 way before your typical college student. No prep school just good ole fashion hold backs.
Holding back works at youth, high school and college levels. Look at the kids at Navy who are 21 year old freshman. They are pre-first, held back, prepped then on to Annapolis. Service academies are the biggest benefactors of hold backs.
By the time they are a pro, time catches up but by then who cares. They have the awards and degree from a university.
You may see it as unfair or not right but it is not a violation of the rules (which don't really exist).
If a parent wants to hold their kid back then that is the way it is. I'm going to hold back all four (2 already) of my boys because it works. When your kid is fighting for that D2 look my kid will have a 50% scholarship to Penn or Princeton.
"You are living through your kids" damn right.

50% scholarship to an Ivy school. Dream on. Never has happened and never will. My son played for and graduated from Princeton, I know how it works and what is offered/given out and it is not 50%.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just for fun or to prove your point, look up the ages of Rambo, Pons and Colin Heacock. Three of the best to ever come through College Park including the Tewaaraton winner. I will save you some time. All of them turned 20 way before your typical college student. No prep school just good ole fashion hold backs.
Holding back works at youth, high school and college levels. Look at the kids at Navy who are 21 year old freshman. They are pre-first, held back, prepped then on to Annapolis. Service academies are the biggest benefactors of hold backs.
By the time they are a pro, time catches up but by then who cares. They have the awards and degree from a university.
You may see it as unfair or not right but it is not a violation of the rules (which don't really exist).
If a parent wants to hold their kid back then that is the way it is. I'm going to hold back all four (2 already) of my boys because it works. When your kid is fighting for that D2 look my kid will have a 50% scholarship to Penn or Princeton.
"You are living through your kids" damn right.

Pathetic - let your kid live his own life rather than you pulling the strings just to give yourself something to talk about at the water cooler. And service academy kids are a large part public school kids who do a PG year AFTER they have completed high school. Many private kids -especiallybholdbacks who needed the extra year to look better- can't cut the lifestyle. Very sad your single focus to raise the next star? Bitter about spending the extra $ for that extra year with the new rules?

Your facts about Princeton are incorrect. Doors open and scholarships/grants come in when you can play. 50% is about the norm for family income levels below $200k. If you actually went through the process you would know that.

OK, you let your kid do what he wants so he can experience real life. Enjoy the literal funeral after the drug OD or food prep job. No one said anything about a star but facts are hard to argue when you have none to present. No extra money coming at all. Never mind you don't have the capacity to follow the reality. All the academies have well over 50% of their classes over the normal age group... I'll stop while you look it up. Don't trust what you read on chat board, do your own research.

Your kid can't hack it vs his peers so he has to play against his younger brother to look good. You are weak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your facts about Princeton are incorrect. Doors open and scholarships/grants come in when you can play. 50% is about the norm for family income levels below $200k. If you actually went through the process you would know that.

OK, you let your kid do what he wants so he can experience real life. Enjoy the literal funeral after the drug OD or food prep job. No one said anything about a star but facts are hard to argue when you have none to present. No extra money coming at all. Never mind you don't have the capacity to follow the reality. All the academies have well over 50% of their classes over the normal age group... I'll stop while you look it up. Don't trust what you read on chat board, do your own research.

Academies in general do not have older kids. The sports teams do make use of a PG year at the military prep schools for some of their kids but as the poster above said PG Prep year is just that - a post graduate year after graduating from high school. NOT in 8th grade or high school when kids have not yet hit puberty and are playing against kids 50 pounds lighter and try to say they are so much better for daddy's sake or to get that extra look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your facts about Princeton are incorrect. Doors open and scholarships/grants come in when you can play. 50% is about the norm for family income levels below $200k. If you actually went through the process you would know that.

OK, you let your kid do what he wants so he can experience real life. Enjoy the literal funeral after the drug OD or food prep job. No one said anything about a star but facts are hard to argue when you have none to present. No extra money coming at all. Never mind you don't have the capacity to follow the reality. All the academies have well over 50% of their classes over the normal age group... I'll stop while you look it up. Don't trust what you read on chat board, do your own research.

You like statistics so much you must realize that " 61 % of public schools kids were exposed to drugs at school compared to 54 percent in private schools." Both sets of kids are at HIGH risk for drug OD so please get your head out of the sand and realize you are not insulating your child from anything by sending them to private and holding him back etc, in order to set them up. Also the kids that survive best and are the most successful often had what you would term a "food prep job" or some similar hard working job . Can you be any more clueless and elitist?

You are not a strong reader. No more for you. You are blind or ignorant. Either way no more for you. Good luck and make sure the fries are done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just for fun or to prove your point, look up the ages of Rambo, Pons and Colin Heacock. Three of the best to ever come through College Park including the Tewaaraton winner. I will save you some time. All of them turned 20 way before your typical college student. No prep school just good ole fashion hold backs.
Holding back works at youth, high school and college levels. Look at the kids at Navy who are 21 year old freshman. They are pre-first, held back, prepped then on to Annapolis. Service academies are the biggest benefactors of hold backs.
By the time they are a pro, time catches up but by then who cares. They have the awards and degree from a university.
You may see it as unfair or not right but it is not a violation of the rules (which don't really exist).
If a parent wants to hold their kid back then that is the way it is. I'm going to hold back all four (2 already) of my boys because it works. When your kid is fighting for that D2 look my kid will have a 50% scholarship to Penn or Princeton.
"You are living through your kids" damn right.

Not sure where you get your facts but all three went to Private prep schools. Heacock and Pons both went to Boys Latin,, King of the holdbacks in MIAA.

I do agree tho. It does seem that holding back your kid gives you a better chance than not. And especially at youth level where you will get more touches, playing time, etc.. . Frankly if you can hold him back..why not..It cant hurt.

I dont agree with the whole thing but I see the results. And none of mine are heldback, But if they were..WOW..

Of course it gives it an advantage. Your kid is playing against his little brother. I'm gonna have my kid do Pre K, reclass in 6th grade, reclass in 8th grade and PG before college. He will 25 years old before he graduates and will have a head start on getting social security. Suck it you holdback detractors.

you're an idiot... its a business? most of these clubs are non-profit(joke) If you think hold backs prefirst taking a spot on a club for the kids that do it right isn't wrong then you have a problem. Playing up was cool back in the day. Parents are afraid their kid may fail so let johnny play down so he can stand out. GO BACK TO BIRTHDAYS EVERY OTHER SPORT DOES IT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course it gives it an advantage. Your kid is playing against his little brother. I'm gonna have my kid do Pre K, reclass in 6th grade, reclass in 8th grade and PG before college. He will 25 years old before he graduates and will have a head start on getting social security. Suck it you holdback detractors.

Ha! This made me laugh while drinking my coffee. Funny stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are not a strong reader. No more for you. You are blind or ignorant. Either way no more for you. Good luck and make sure the fries are done.

This makes no sense. But...you are great at hurling "insults". Too funny.

Unfortunately this is the only way to handle it.

Dear Officers of Baltimore Lacrosse Club,
It has come to our attention that several players on the grade based lacrosse teams you run (Crabs Lacrosse), and tournaments you operate (Young Gunz / Crab feast) have players participating on grade based teams down a grade from their official "currently enrolled" status. As participants of "BLC" events, we have a right as consumers to expect our child's safety is your utmost concern. As such, please make public the grade verification process your club and tournaments use to ensure the safety and welfare for all those participating. In addition you are hereby put on official "Notice" that if a player with any officer of BLC or their parents knowledge participates on a team or division other than his official currently enrolled grade you and the participating players parents will be held personally liable for any injury that may occur due to that player participating on a team or in a division lower than their current grade. We thank you for your continued commitment to offer safe and fair events for our children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately this is the only way to handle it.

Dear Officers of Baltimore Lacrosse Club,
It has come to our attention that several players on the grade based lacrosse teams you run (Crabs Lacrosse), and tournaments you operate (Young Gunz / Crab feast) have players participating on grade based teams down a grade from their official "currently enrolled" status. As participants of "BLC" events, we have a right as consumers to expect our child's safety is your utmost concern. As such, please make public the grade verification process your club and tournaments use to ensure the safety and welfare for all those participating. In addition you are hereby put on official "Notice" that if a player with any officer of BLC or their parents knowledge participates on a team or division other than his official currently enrolled grade you and the participating players parents will be held personally liable for any injury that may occur due to that player participating on a team or in a division lower than their current grade. We thank you for your continued commitment to offer safe and fair events for our children.

Fart. Yawn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately this is the only way to handle it.

Dear Officers of Baltimore Lacrosse Club,
It has come to our attention that several players on the grade based lacrosse teams you run (Crabs Lacrosse), and tournaments you operate (Young Gunz / Crab feast) have players participating on grade based teams down a grade from their official "currently enrolled" status. As participants of "BLC" events, we have a right as consumers to expect our child's safety is your utmost concern. As such, please make public the grade verification process your club and tournaments use to ensure the safety and welfare for all those participating. In addition you are hereby put on official "Notice" that if a player with any officer of BLC or their parents knowledge participates on a team or division other than his official currently enrolled grade you and the participating players parents will be held personally liable for any injury that may occur due to that player participating on a team or in a division lower than their current grade. We thank you for your continued commitment to offer safe and fair events for our children.

Fart. Yawn.

Calm down Ryan.. it is not like he taking food from your mouth!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately this is the only way to handle it.

Dear Officers of Baltimore Lacrosse Club,
It has come to our attention that several players on the grade based lacrosse teams you run (Crabs Lacrosse), and tournaments you operate (Young Gunz / Crab feast) have players participating on grade based teams down a grade from their official "currently enrolled" status. As participants of "BLC" events, we have a right as consumers to expect our child's safety is your utmost concern. As such, please make public the grade verification process your club and tournaments use to ensure the safety and welfare for all those participating. In addition you are hereby put on official "Notice" that if a player with any officer of BLC or their parents knowledge participates on a team or division other than his official currently enrolled grade you and the participating players parents will be held personally liable for any injury that may occur due to that player participating on a team or in a division lower than their current grade. We thank you for your continued commitment to offer safe and fair events for our children.

This is the dumbest post that I think I have ever read on here and that is saying a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just for fun or to prove your point, look up the ages of Rambo, Pons and Colin Heacock. Three of the best to ever come through College Park including the Tewaaraton winner. I will save you some time. All of them turned 20 way before your typical college student. No prep school just good ole fashion hold backs.
Holding back works at youth, high school and college levels. Look at the kids at Navy who are 21 year old freshman. They are pre-first, held back, prepped then on to Annapolis. Service academies are the biggest benefactors of hold backs.
By the time they are a pro, time catches up but by then who cares. They have the awards and degree from a university.
You may see it as unfair or not right but it is not a violation of the rules (which don't really exist).
If a parent wants to hold their kid back then that is the way it is. I'm going to hold back all four (2 already) of my boys because it works. When your kid is fighting for that D2 look my kid will have a 50% scholarship to Penn or Princeton.
"You are living through your kids" damn right.

Not sure where you get your facts but all three went to Private prep schools. Heacock and Pons both went to Boys Latin,, King of the holdbacks in MIAA.

I do agree tho. It does seem that holding back your kid gives you a better chance than not. And especially at youth level where you will get more touches, playing time, etc.. . Frankly if you can hold him back..why not..It cant hurt.

I dont agree with the whole thing but I see the results. And none of mine are heldback, But if they were..WOW..

You do know that both Penn and Princeton DO NOT offer any athletic scholarships for ANY sport. When you were held back I think the teachers called in flunking a grade

you do have the right as a consumer and that right is to stay home...don't play in the tournament..but no they run first class tournaments with great competition so you want to be a part of it because that's where the coaches are. If you think your child is at risk why put them in harms way...sounds like the parent is the liable one here... go play max lax with the other rec teams

Just don't play in the tournament. If enough clubs ignore Crabs and the like they will have to change. As long as your club continues to feed the beast your fear they only become stronger.

Make stand or shut your mouth.

Isn't club advertised as pairing up talent by skill at the grade level, for development, to help on the path to succeed at HS Varsity and College levels? Who advertised club as a means of pairing up kids by birth year? Why would you sign up and pay $2k if you were looking for something else? That is just stupid. Why would happy customers want to dilute the skill level among their current grade? That sounds really really stupid. You contaminate your brain with this holdback argument, after hearing someone else complain for a couple years, then your kid walks through the doors into HS, and....poof, meant nothing, real world hits. If you are that worried about it, we are a free society, go start a competing league for customers seeking birth year competition. Seriously, it may take off and be great. For us happy club customers, we'll just take exactly what we paid for, but thank you for your concern.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just don't play in the tournament. If enough clubs ignore Crabs and the like they will have to change. As long as your club continues to feed the beast your fear they only become stronger.

Make stand or shut your mouth.

Or, and a more likely outcome, the couple dozen people that complain will still not be in the tournament, just like they aren't now already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't club advertised as pairing up talent by skill at the grade level, for development, to help on the path to succeed at HS Varsity and College levels? Who advertised club as a means of pairing up kids by birth year? Why would you sign up and pay $2k if you were looking for something else? That is just stupid. Why would happy customers want to dilute the skill level among their current grade? That sounds really really stupid. You contaminate your brain with this holdback argument, after hearing someone else complain for a couple years, then your kid walks through the doors into HS, and....poof, meant nothing, real world hits. If you are that worried about it, we are a free society, go start a competing league for customers seeking birth year competition. Seriously, it may take off and be great. For us happy club customers, we'll just take exactly what we paid for, but thank you for your concern.

So much ..But a real easy one..Why does YOUTH CLUB Lacrosse need to go grade base to prepare you for HS and [College ( thats hilarious)] when every other Youth sport seems to get along fine with age to prepare you for High School.

well if you want to play age appropriate sports in the spring play golf, tennis, baseball, or track. Then you can compete with your child can compete with age based kids and you will all be happy...Its that easy, or you can stop complaining and work hard and good things will happen for your son...remember its your sons time to shine not yours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't club advertised as pairing up talent by skill at the grade level, for development, to help on the path to succeed at HS Varsity and College levels? Who advertised club as a means of pairing up kids by birth year? Why would you sign up and pay $2k if you were looking for something else? That is just stupid. Why would happy customers want to dilute the skill level among their current grade? That sounds really really stupid. You contaminate your brain with this holdback argument, after hearing someone else complain for a couple years, then your kid walks through the doors into HS, and....poof, meant nothing, real world hits. If you are that worried about it, we are a free society, go start a competing league for customers seeking birth year competition. Seriously, it may take off and be great. For us happy club customers, we'll just take exactly what we paid for, but thank you for your concern.

So much ..But a real easy one..Why does YOUTH CLUB Lacrosse need to go grade base to prepare you for HS and [College ( thats hilarious)] when every other Youth sport seems to get along fine with age to prepare you for High School.

Why is it hilarious, it is what exists and growing. Kids train for years in all sports at the club and private level. Start something different. Helicopter parents like winning now, real parents understand development. Go win now with you birthday buddies, that's totally cool. Many great stories about the old rec leagues told at many a dinner table.

Get a good look at the 2020 and 2021 Crabs brackets for Crabfeast - early games and cakewalk games. If you ain't cheating - you ain't trying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get a good look at the 2020 and 2021 Crabs brackets for Crabfeast - early games and cakewalk games. If you ain't cheating - you ain't trying.

Biggest scouting event of the Summer, let's have the top 5 teams play each other in round 1 and have a championship game that's like 22-3. Idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get a good look at the 2020 and 2021 Crabs brackets for Crabfeast - early games and cakewalk games. If you ain't cheating - you ain't trying.

Biggest scouting event of the Summer, let's have the top 5 teams play each other in round 1 and have a championship game that's like 22-3. Idiot.

Exactly. That way all the good teams play each other and who ever wins that division is definitely the best. Who cares what the score of the championship game is? WOuldn't you rather play good teams than get a free pass to the playoffs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get a good look at the 2020 and 2021 Crabs brackets for Crabfeast - early games and cakewalk games. If you ain't cheating - you ain't trying.

Biggest scouting event of the Summer, let's have the top 5 teams play each other in round 1 and have a championship game that's like 22-3. Idiot.

Exactly. That way all the good teams play each other and who ever wins that division is definitely the best. Who cares what the score of the championship game is? WOuldn't you rather play good teams than get a free pass to the playoffs?

Not if you're crab daddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get a good look at the 2020 and 2021 Crabs brackets for Crabfeast - early games and cakewalk games. If you ain't cheating - you ain't trying.

Biggest scouting event of the Summer, let's have the top 5 teams play each other in round 1 and have a championship game that's like 22-3. Idiot.

Exactly. That way all the good teams play each other and who ever wins that division is definitely the best. Who cares what the score of the championship game is? WOuldn't you rather play good teams than get a free pass to the playoffs?

No, that is silly. They are all good teams. No, I'd rather see great semi's and final, since coaches traveled all the way to watch. I get it, you want it the other way. The rest of us just realize it makes no sense. Just go beat the teams in your bracket, and you're in, brother!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get a good look at the 2020 and 2021 Crabs brackets for Crabfeast - early games and cakewalk games. If you ain't cheating - you ain't trying.

Biggest scouting event of the Summer, let's have the top 5 teams play each other in round 1 and have a championship game that's like 22-3. Idiot.

Exactly. That way all the good teams play each other and who ever wins that division is definitely the best. Who cares what the score of the championship game is? WOuldn't you rather play good teams than get a free pass to the playoffs?

No, that is silly. They are all good teams. No, I'd rather see great semi's and final, since coaches traveled all the way to watch. I get it, you want it the other way. The rest of us just realize it makes no sense. Just go beat the teams in your bracket, and you're in, brother!

Thanks Hulk Hogan.

Many times coaches don't even stick around for the playoffs as they are on Sunday afternoon and they want to get home. They don't care who wins the damn tournament.

There are lot's of subpar teams at Crabfeast. Just funny that they always seem to be in the Crabs division.

News alert - every tournament host makes it a little/lot easier to get out of their pool. Welcome to Earth.

News alert - Crabs and their 17 year old holdback lose to the Annapolis Hawks in OT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News alert - Crabs and their 17 year old holdback lose to the Annapolis Hawks in OT.

Congratulations to the Hawks - and for doing it the right way!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News alert - Crabs and their 17 year old holdback lose to the Annapolis Hawks in OT.

There are a lot of good 2020 teams. A win over the crabs is nice, but the Hawks still have to win 2 more games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News alert - every tournament host makes it a little/lot easier to get out of their pool. Welcome to Earth.

News alert - Crab Daddy will need to do more to give the 2020s a smooth ride to the championship, one and done against Hawks! I'm sure he was hoping (plotting) for a Crabs-Looney's final as a win there would let them claim to be #1. Crush, RM's elusive white whale, continues to elude him.

#bracketfixingfail

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News alert - Crabs and their 17 year old holdback lose to the Annapolis Hawks in OT.

There are a lot of good 2020 teams. A win over the crabs is nice, but the Hawks still have to win 2 more games

They beat Crabs and that is enough given the Crabs attitude and behavior through the years.

kudos to the Hawks - always nice to see the Crabs lose. Their holdbacks didnt matter today. Better bring down the 19s next time - who are actually 18s.....

Did the Crabs win anything at Crabfest?

Crabs 2020 aren't very strong anymore. See steady 2 players a year leaving Crabs and joining FCA. FCA is now team to beat. 2 years ago it was Russ and Kevin. Last year Nate and Eli. This year Cole and Jack. FCA will house Crabs when they meet.

DC Express over Crabs at 2021 8-7 in final

Crabs - no championships.

that's big

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 aren't very strong anymore. See steady 2 players a year leaving Crabs and joining FCA. FCA is now team to beat. 2 years ago it was Russ and Kevin. Last year Nate and Eli. This year Cole and Jack. FCA will house Crabs when they meet.

All of the plotting and scheming and they still coming up short. Team will be remade again in off-season and be bigger, better and older in the fall.

Glad to see this club get knocked down off their high horses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to see this club get knocked down off their high horses.

Can't even make the 2020 semis in their own tournament. Sad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News alert - Crabs and their 17 year old holdback lose to the Annapolis Hawks in OT.

There are a lot of good 2020 teams. A win over the crabs is nice, but the Hawks still have to win 2 more games

They beat Crabs and that is enough given the Crabs attitude and behavior through the years.

Laxch beat Hawks, Crabs beat Laxch last week, Looney's beat FCA last week, FCA beat Looney's this week. ALL 1 or 2 point games, and several OT games! In the top 10, any of these teams can win week to week. Hawks did a nice job in the Crabs win, congrats!

Crabs Saturday bracket - Juice Cherries, ADVNC SF, Team Minnesota. Hawks bracket - NH Tomahawks, LI Express, Next Level.

Fat Crab's bracket fixing backfired.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News alert - Crabs and their 17 year old holdback lose to the Annapolis Hawks in OT.

There are a lot of good 2020 teams. A win over the crabs is nice, but the Hawks still have to win 2 more games

They beat Crabs and that is enough given the Crabs attitude and behavior through the years.

Laxch beat Hawks, Crabs beat Laxch last week, Looney's beat FCA last week, FCA beat Looney's this week. ALL 1 or 2 point games, and several OT games! In the top 10, any of these teams can win week to week. Hawks did a nice job in the Crabs win, congrats!

Holdbacks starting to even out a little with puberty kicking in bigtime to even it out even more at this grade. Crabs days of dominating are over. Not their days of good teams..But to many other teams have holdbacks at younger ages along with to many athletic players hitting puberty at older ages and just as good as the holdbacks.

And we should note that Crabs D-League Team, VLC, got trounced by Looney's 13-3. And finished 2-3 on the weekend. Ouch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News alert - Crabs and their 17 year old holdback lose to the Annapolis Hawks in OT.

There are a lot of good 2020 teams. A win over the crabs is nice, but the Hawks still have to win 2 more games

They beat Crabs and that is enough given the Crabs attitude and behavior through the years.

Laxch beat Hawks, Crabs beat Laxch last week, Looney's beat FCA last week, FCA beat Looney's this week. ALL 1 or 2 point games, and several OT games! In the top 10, any of these teams can win week to week. Hawks did a nice job in the Crabs win, congrats!

And the busted cherries beat everyone last week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

Laxachusetts is exactly the same...they showed up to NLF with multiple 14 yr olds, including the goalie, on the 2023 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You're fooling yourself if you believe that! I know for a fact the team my son plays on is made up of legitimate 2023 kids aka 11 and 12 yr olds. Rare I know but I'm proud to say our club team is doing it the right way!! I hope more decide to follow that lead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You're fooling yourself if you believe that! I know for a fact the team my son plays on is made up of legitimate 2023 kids aka 11 and 12 yr olds. Rare I know but I'm proud to say our club team is doing it the right way!! I hope more decide to follow that lead.

So wouldn't that be a rules complaint? Should parents of private school kids +1 if they did prefirst. How do you enforce that, oh rules, not kids/parents. Like it or not, you accomplish nothing by creating dicension among families. Focus your effort on the leagues. Under current rules, you are no more right or wrong than an older kid in the same grade.

All the teams have holdbacks and none of them have as many holdbacks as you think. When your son is in HS, he'll competing with kids much older than him. It's sad that people are so obsessed about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You're fooling yourself if you believe that! I know for a fact the team my son plays on is made up of legitimate 2023 kids aka 11 and 12 yr olds. Rare I know but I'm proud to say our club team is doing it the right way!! I hope more decide to follow that lead.

If your son plays 2023 for the Hawks, FCA, Looneys, or Laxachusetts then you are crazy if you think there are no hold backs on his team.

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level. [/quote]

You are wrong about Hawks, there might be a few players that have been held back in the organization, but it is not the norm and it certainly not encouraged by the organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You're fooling yourself if you believe that! I know for a fact the team my son plays on is made up of legitimate 2023 kids aka 11 and 12 yr olds. Rare I know but I'm proud to say our club team is doing it the right way!! I hope more decide to follow that lead.

Which club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You're fooling yourself if you believe that! I know for a fact the team my son plays on is made up of legitimate 2023 kids aka 11 and 12 yr olds. Rare I know but I'm proud to say our club team is doing it the right way!! I hope more decide to follow that lead.

Which club?

Probably another dad or coach not counting the summer birthdays as holdbacks.

Of the 6 kids that left Crabs to FCA only 1 is a holdback.

Madlax has more holdbacks that anyone. That is how their 2020 and 2021 teams improved so much in 1 year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams have holdbacks and none of them have as many holdbacks as you think. When your son is in HS, he'll competing with kids much older than him. It's sad that people are so obsessed about it.

It's sad that you excuse it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has more holdbacks that anyone. That is how their 2020 and 2021 teams improved so much in 1 year.

And there it is the Madlax bashing guy out of left field waiting to ponce with a Madlax insult. Its like he gets a Bat signal to chime in!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You are wrong about Hawks, there might be a few players that have been held back in the organization, but it is not the norm and it certainly not encouraged by the organization.
[/quote]

Seriously? You have no idea what you are talking about. A few players in the organization? What are you smoking?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams have holdbacks and none of them have as many holdbacks as you think. When your son is in HS, he'll competing with kids much older than him. It's sad that people are so obsessed about it.

Its sad that you apologists think single year Youth lacrosse and HS are the same thing.

Neither public or parochial schools allow re-classing that occurs at BL, Calvert Hall, Gilman, Landon, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You're fooling yourself if you believe that! I know for a fact the team my son plays on is made up of legitimate 2023 kids aka 11 and 12 yr olds. Rare I know but I'm proud to say our club team is doing it the right way!! I hope more decide to follow that lead.

Which club?

Probably another dad or coach not counting the summer birthdays as holdbacks.

Team 91 2023......every kid on that team is 11 and 12. No Hold backs and working hard to improve each week.

The Hawks organization has a large percentage of kids from public an parochial schools - neither allow re-classing that goes on at the Baltimore private schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks organization has a large percentage of kids from public an parochial schools - neither allow re-classing that goes on at the Baltimore private schools.

The Hawks have many holdbacks on their teams also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs entire scheme is reclassed kids. Dats it. Without holdbacks they are nothing. 91, FCA, Looneys, Hawks, Laxachusetts are much more talented. Not to mention RM is a complete arse.

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You're fooling yourself if you believe that! I know for a fact the team my son plays on is made up of legitimate 2023 kids aka 11 and 12 yr olds. Rare I know but I'm proud to say our club team is doing it the right way!! I hope more decide to follow that lead.

Which club?

Probably another dad or coach not counting the summer birthdays as holdbacks.

Team 91 2023......every kid on that team is 11 and 12. No Hold backs and working hard to improve each week.

Sorry to inform you that you have at least kid that will turn 13 this summer. Meaning he was held back from kindergarten when he was 5. This is not to disparage the kid, parents or club. Only to inform that your club holds tryouts the same way all the others do - by grade. Then takes the best kids that say yes

For your info Calvert Hall and Loyola are both Parochial schools. So much for that theory.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams have holdbacks and none of them have as many holdbacks as you think. When your son is in HS, he'll competing with kids much older than him. It's sad that people are so obsessed about it.

Its sad that you apologists think single year Youth lacrosse and HS are the same thing.

This is HS age group now

You mean parents pay money to give their kids legal advantages in school, sports, and life. The shame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks organization has a large percentage of kids from public an parochial schools - neither allow re-classing that goes on at the Baltimore private schools.

The Hawks have many holdbacks on their teams also.

That's just not true, i'm sure a friend of your Aunt Betty's lives across the street from someone that knows a kid that plays for the Hawks and he will be 21 when he graduates next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You are wrong about Hawks, there might be a few players that have been held back in the organization, but it is not the norm and it certainly not encouraged by the organization.

Seriously? You have no idea what you are talking about. A few players in the organization? What are you smoking?[/quote]

Yes, seriously. You have no idea if you think otherwise, put the hooka down and step away from the computer. No need to spread ridiculous lies.

Parochial is a school associated with a church/parish

LOL. There are tons of holdbacks at Calvert Hall, St. Mary's, MSJ, etc. They don't allow people to repeat a HS grade, but all you have to do is repeat 8th or an earlier grade, which many do. For example, one of CH's kids going to Ohio State is a holdback. To imply they don't have holdbacks at parochial schools is nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams have holdbacks and none of them have as many holdbacks as you think. When your son is in HS, he'll competing with kids much older than him. It's sad that people are so obsessed about it.

Its sad that you apologists think single year Youth lacrosse and HS are the same thing.

This is HS age group now

What?? We are discussing All Crab Teams and holdbacks...They go hand in Hand in their youth teams to get an advantage....... HS teams different story.. you are right in HS, grade base it is..Of course there is some advantage but many have hit puberty to limit it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. There are tons of holdbacks at Calvert Hall, St. Mary's, MSJ, etc. They don't allow people to repeat a HS grade, but all you have to do is repeat 8th or an earlier grade, which many do. For example, one of CH's kids going to Ohio State is a holdback. To imply they don't have holdbacks at parochial schools is nonsense.

Any MIAA A lacrosse school parochial or not has holdbacks/prefirsts/reclassed all thru them. Even some of the MIAA B have quite a few .. It has been that way for many years. Really wasnt a big deal until YOUTh lacrosse decided to give them an advantage by playing these holdbacks/prefirst/reclassed down due to grade base.

If age based lacrosse was the norm in Baltimore very little would be said about it. Just like 4-5 years ago when even the Crabs were age based in youth.

Who cares. Does your son have friends in GT art or math or science or ? Do you complain about the holdback conspiracy? No, probably bc your kid attends public school and has that creative, intelligence advantage so you do not care. This holdback, private school clown show of lacrosse is built on white privilege elite cheaters who have inherited fortunes over the years. Let them have it now. Their grandchildren certainly will not because that privilege will die. Look at Gilman football. Team was dominant, privileged snowflake parents complained so their boys could play - they did, and got crushed. Same holds true for lacrosse future. How many of you holdback lacrosse parents have kids that compete, or even play, in other sports?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You are wrong about Hawks, there might be a few players that have been held back in the organization, but it is not the norm and it certainly not encouraged by the organization.

Seriously? You have no idea what you are talking about. A few players in the organization? What are you smoking?

Yes, seriously. You have no idea if you think otherwise, put the hooka down and step away from the computer. No need to spread ridiculous lies.
[/quote]

I baffles me that people don't know that the kids know each other and know how old they are. Everyone knows who the Hawks holdbacks are. The 2022 team has a whole bunch of them. Other teams do as well. I don't know why people lie about it. Do you just not know that they have a bunch of holdbacks? I don't have a problem with holdbacks even though my son is not one. I just don't understand why all these parents think that their club is so above everyone. Even crappy teams have holdbacks.

Complaining is for losers. Don't sign up for something if you have inherent problem with it. End of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You are wrong about Hawks, there might be a few players that have been held back in the organization, but it is not the norm and it certainly not encouraged by the organization.

Seriously? You have no idea what you are talking about. A few players in the organization? What are you smoking?

Yes, seriously. You have no idea if you think otherwise, put the hooka down and step away from the computer. No need to spread ridiculous lies.

I baffles me that people don't know that the kids know each other and know how old they are. Everyone knows who the Hawks holdbacks are. The 2022 team has a whole bunch of them. Other teams do as well. I don't know why people lie about it. Do you just not know that they have a bunch of holdbacks? I don't have a problem with holdbacks even though my son is not one. I just don't understand why all these parents think that their club is so above everyone. Even crappy teams have holdbacks.[/quote]

Dont sweat the holdback game. My guy plays for one of the elite teams menttioned and is one of only a few that are not pre-first, repeater or both. The gap will close if the younger has any talent or desire to compete. I always thought it was a plus to compete against older kids and have something to reach for. The older kids who were mediocre against their age group and dropped down are now mediocre again. He went through the same situation in 8th and 9th grade, it is very painful at the time but the long term process is coming to fruition. The no touch untill Sept 1 Junior year will allow this to work itself out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are fooling yourself if you think 91, fca, looneys, hawks, laxachusetts, and any of the other 'elite' teams don't have holdbacks. Every single one of those teams does at every single grade level.

You are wrong about Hawks, there might be a few players that have been held back in the organization, but it is not the norm and it certainly not encouraged by the organization.

Seriously? You have no idea what you are talking about. A few players in the organization? What are you smoking?

Yes, seriously. You have no idea if you think otherwise, put the hooka down and step away from the computer. No need to spread ridiculous lies.

I baffles me that people don't know that the kids know each other and know how old they are. Everyone knows who the Hawks holdbacks are. The 2022 team has a whole bunch of them. Other teams do as well. I don't know why people lie about it. Do you just not know that they have a bunch of holdbacks? I don't have a problem with holdbacks even though my son is not one. I just don't understand why all these parents think that their club is so above everyone. Even crappy teams have holdbacks.[/quote]

what is the definition of a bunch, not lying about anything, just know there are some, but it is not prevalent and is not pushed like it is some organizations. i don't have a problem with the holdbacks either, it is what it is in this current landscape. Who exactly are the holdbacks, since you know so much more than the rest of us

Clubs will take the very best eligible kids. Period. Private schools in baltimore highly encourage pre-first when starting and repeating a grade when transferring. It helps scholastically, socially, and yes .. athletically.

The best clubs draw the best eligible kids which are more likely to be holdbacks. End of story.

its called cheating...Is it in the rules...yes...But no other youth sport does it. period soccer has prefirst kids but those kids play by birthday like basketball volleyball baseball and hockey. Private schools think they control lacrosse but change is coming its the biggest complaint in the lacrosse community. If little johnny is that good have him play up.

Let's be honest the majority of holdbacks would not be able to make an elite on age team, that's what holdback parents fear the most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

its called cheating...Is it in the rules...yes...But no other youth sport does it. period soccer has prefirst kids but those kids play by birthday like basketball volleyball baseball and hockey. Private schools think they control lacrosse but change is coming its the biggest complaint in the lacrosse community. If little johnny is that good have him play up.

All sports do it. Some of the private middle schools in DC practically require it for all basketball players.

Hold back parents are losers. Period done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back parents are losers. Period done.

Wow, your jealousy is very apparent. It is just oozing out of your computer. Now that is what I would call a LOSER. Done, BOOM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back parents are losers. Period done.

Wow, your jealousy is very apparent. It is just oozing out of your computer. Now that is what I would call a LOSER. Done, BOOM

What are we jealous about? That our kids can play on age at the same level that your older kid has to play at to excel? I don't think jealous is the word you are looking for.

I think pathetic is a better word for what you have to do for your child to be able to play at an elite level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs will take the very best eligible kids. Period. Private schools in baltimore highly encourage pre-first when starting and repeating a grade when transferring. It helps scholastically, socially, and yes .. athletically.

The best clubs draw the best eligible kids which are more likely to be holdbacks. End of story.

What is amazing to me is no one cares to discuss the safety concerns associated with 'holdbacks'. Lacrosse is a contact sport and I witnessed my 11 year old son recently squaring up against a 14 year old in a tournament a few weeks back; the size difference was 6 inches and about 50lbs. I can only imagine if those two would have collided in the crease. The bottom line in a contact sport is holdbacks pose dangerous scenarios. And to those parents that hold their kid back; explain to me the rationale of do so? Having your son who is 1 to 2 years older (in some cases more) than the kids their playing against should be embarrassing!! What are you teaching your son other than taking the easy road to succeed instead of working hard to achieve their goals.

Arent 285 pages of talk about holdbacks enough. What more can be said ? All the complaining in the world isnt going to change it. Move on....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back parents are losers. Period done.

Wow, your jealousy is very apparent. It is just oozing out of your computer. Now that is what I would call a LOSER. Done, BOOM

that's funny that you think this is a "boom" kind of response

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs will take the very best eligible kids. Period. Private schools in baltimore highly encourage pre-first when starting and repeating a grade when transferring. It helps scholastically, socially, and yes .. athletically.

The best clubs draw the best eligible kids which are more likely to be holdbacks. End of story.

What is amazing to me is no one cares to discuss the safety concerns associated with 'holdbacks'. Lacrosse is a contact sport and I witnessed my 11 year old son recently squaring up against a 14 year old in a tournament a few weeks back; the size difference was 6 inches and about 50lbs. I can only imagine if those two would have collided in the crease. The bottom line in a contact sport is holdbacks pose dangerous scenarios. And to those parents that hold their kid back; explain to me the rationale of do so? Having your son who is 1 to 2 years older (in some cases more) than the kids their playing against should be embarrassing!! What are you teaching your son other than taking the easy road to succeed instead of working hard to achieve their goals.

I'm assuming you requested a birth certificate to confirm that he was 14 and not just made an assumption based on size?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Arent 285 pages of talk about holdbacks enough. What more can be said ? All the complaining in the world isnt going to change it. Move on....

Not when it comes to the safety of the boys playing; THIS TOPIC SHOULD NEVER GO AWAY!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Arent 285 pages of talk about holdbacks enough. What more can be said ? All the complaining in the world isnt going to change it. Move on....

Not when it comes to the safety of the boys playing; THIS TOPIC SHOULD NEVER GO AWAY!!!

Please....as long as the refs do their job, no one is getting hurt because they are playing against a kid a year older. If they were, high school teams would be by grade and heaven forbid a freshman play on Varsity. My point is that after 285 pages, this argument never changes and never will. Find the best place for your kid to play and give it a rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Arent 285 pages of talk about holdbacks enough. What more can be said ? All the complaining in the world isnt going to change it. Move on....

Not when it comes to the safety of the boys playing; THIS TOPIC SHOULD NEVER GO AWAY!!!

So rec was always unsafe?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Arent 285 pages of talk about holdbacks enough. What more can be said ? All the complaining in the world isnt going to change it. Move on....

Not when it comes to the safety of the boys playing; THIS TOPIC SHOULD NEVER GO AWAY!!!

I remember getting hit plowed over by this big fat defensemen when I was in 7th grade. He was a year ahead in school, although I only think of it now, and certainly did not at the time. I got up and am alive here today to participate in this amazing anonymous youth lacrosse forum. My Dad was the coach and thought it was funny. I would say end of story, but it really isn't interesting enough to be a story, kind of like arguing about holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs will take the very best eligible kids. Period. Private schools in baltimore highly encourage pre-first when starting and repeating a grade when transferring. It helps scholastically, socially, and yes .. athletically.

The best clubs draw the best eligible kids which are more likely to be holdbacks. End of story.

What is amazing to me is no one cares to discuss the safety concerns associated with 'holdbacks'. Lacrosse is a contact sport and I witnessed my 11 year old son recently squaring up against a 14 year old in a tournament a few weeks back; the size difference was 6 inches and about 50lbs. I can only imagine if those two would have collided in the crease. The bottom line in a contact sport is holdbacks pose dangerous scenarios. And to those parents that hold their kid back; explain to me the rationale of do so? Having your son who is 1 to 2 years older (in some cases more) than the kids their playing against should be embarrassing!! What are you teaching your son other than taking the easy road to succeed instead of working hard to achieve their goals.

I think he was 15 and 75 lbs heavier. Some people are saying he was at least 16. Many many people are saying he was about 100 lbs heavier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

its called cheating...Is it in the rules...yes...But no other youth sport does it. period soccer has prefirst kids but those kids play by birthday like basketball volleyball baseball and hockey. Private schools think they control lacrosse but change is coming its the biggest complaint in the lacrosse community. If little johnny is that good have him play up.

You just made the case for something that would be not cheating. You just described not cheating. You just created a scenario of not cheating. This was all while trying to prove cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back parents are losers. Period done.

Right, because there is certainly a basis to state that every parent that sends their kids to private school inclusive of a prefirst year is a loser. Right, these aren't good people. Right, these people aren't typically engaged and giving parents, they typically aren't successful at work, they typically don't give back to the community, and they are usually a huge detriment to society. Gotcha, you are totally right. Brilliant!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Arent 285 pages of talk about holdbacks enough. What more can be said ? All the complaining in the world isnt going to change it. Move on....

Not when it comes to the safety of the boys playing; THIS TOPIC SHOULD NEVER GO AWAY!!!

My holdback kid and I laugh on the way home from games at how many kids 1 year younger he destroys during games, and I love it. We watch film of all of his hits against just the ones that are 1 year younger. Suck it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back parents are losers. Period done.

Wow, your jealousy is very apparent. It is just oozing out of your computer. Now that is what I would call a LOSER. Done, BOOM

that's funny that you think this is a "boom" kind of response

You are right, sorry. BOOM BOOM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back parents are losers. Period done.

Wow, your jealousy is very apparent. It is just oozing out of your computer. Now that is what I would call a LOSER. Done, BOOM

What are we jealous about? That our kids can play on age at the same level that your older kid has to play at to excel? I don't think jealous is the word you are looking for.

I think pathetic is a better word for what you have to do for your child to be able to play at an elite level.

No, jealous is the correct word that is appropriate for this discussion. I think pathetic is a better word to describe you and your kind since you were the one that called hold back parents losers. Sorry bunk, you are the loser for starting crap with the name calling. Why can't you have a civil discussion without reverting to calling people names. Now that is PATHETIC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs will take the very best eligible kids. Period. Private schools in baltimore highly encourage pre-first when starting and repeating a grade when transferring. It helps scholastically, socially, and yes .. athletically.

The best clubs draw the best eligible kids which are more likely to be holdbacks. End of story.

What is amazing to me is no one cares to discuss the safety concerns associated with 'holdbacks'. Lacrosse is a contact sport and I witnessed my 11 year old son recently squaring up against a 14 year old in a tournament a few weeks back; the size difference was 6 inches and about 50lbs. I can only imagine if those two would have collided in the crease. The bottom line in a contact sport is holdbacks pose dangerous scenarios. And to those parents that hold their kid back; explain to me the rationale of do so? Having your son who is 1 to 2 years older (in some cases more) than the kids their playing against should be embarrassing!! What are you teaching your son other than taking the easy road to succeed instead of working hard to achieve their goals.

You obviously have no contact with MIAA private school kids. It is very normal to have 50% and over of boys heldback in any grade. They run from prefirst to holdback to reclass. But the schools are loaded with them. Loyola and Calvert Hall may have less due to sheer number of students...but have a look at Gilman, St Paul, McDonogh and Boys Latin...Huge amount of older kids compared to public.

So wondering why isnt even a question. It is what it is..as they say

I'm so tired of the holdback argument. Let it go. Put your concern to good use. It's not going to change. Bottom line no system is perfect.

However I struggle with the safety argument about size as related to holdbacks. If you son is ever going to play in high school they will be a part of a four year age, size and maturity difference. If you're so concerned about summer/club lacrosse, I can only imagine the confrontation you'll have with their high school coaches about it's not fair the seniors and sophomores are playing together.

Date of birth and graduation year have nothing to do with height and weight. There's no rule a 4'6" boy has to stay in fifth grade or a 6'2" boy has to be a sophomore.

If these are true concerns, find a sport where size doesn't matter for your son..... maybe chess or debate club. debate offers amazing scholarships!

You are tired of the holdback argument because your kids probably benefit from it. Every other organized youth sport is age based. Why is lacrosse different? Why do USL guidelines recommend age based classification - because they know it is unsafe, creates an unlevel playing field and damages the sport by continuing to perpetuate the stereotype that it is a rich white kids sport. Cooking the books at the youth level by allowing kids who should be in 8th and 9th grade (by age) play against 6th and 7th graders does no one any good (except the holdbacks who look like Paul Rabil). High school is a different animal as those players are not grouped by grade - they are grouped by ability.

Enjoy it while you can - age based lacrosse classification is coming....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Arent 285 pages of talk about holdbacks enough. What more can be said ? All the complaining in the world isnt going to change it. Move on....

Not when it comes to the safety of the boys playing; THIS TOPIC SHOULD NEVER GO AWAY!!!

My holdback kid and I laugh on the way home from games at how many kids 1 year younger he destroys during games, and I love it. We watch film of all of his hits against just the ones that are 1 year younger. Suck it.

What about the ones two years younger? Just asking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Arent 285 pages of talk about holdbacks enough. What more can be said ? All the complaining in the world isnt going to change it. Move on....

Not when it comes to the safety of the boys playing; THIS TOPIC SHOULD NEVER GO AWAY!!!

My holdback kid and I laugh on the way home from games at how many kids 1 year younger he destroys during games, and I love it. We watch film of all of his hits against just the ones that are 1 year younger. Suck it.

What about the ones two years younger? Just asking.

Special occasions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams have holdbacks and none of them have as many holdbacks as you think. When your son is in HS, he'll competing with kids much older than him. It's sad that people are so obsessed about it.

Its sad that you apologists think single year Youth lacrosse and HS are the same thing.

This is HS age group now

Then why have graduation years at all? Dumb argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back parents are losers. Period done.

Wow, your jealousy is very apparent. It is just oozing out of your computer. Now that is what I would call a LOSER. Done, BOOM

that's funny that you think this is a "boom" kind of response

You are right, sorry. BOOM BOOM

I thought you were "done", can't even get that straight

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the teams have holdbacks and none of them have as many holdbacks as you think. When your son is in HS, he'll competing with kids much older than him. It's sad that people are so obsessed about it.

Its sad that you apologists think single year Youth lacrosse and HS are the same thing.

This is HS age group now

Then why have graduation years at all? Dumb argument.

The argument part is dumb, agreed.

How does VLC fit in with the Crabs? What is the relationship, do they attend the same tournaments etc? Just looking good options for a 2023 player in NOVA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does VLC fit in with the Crabs? What is the relationship, do they attend the same tournaments etc? Just looking good options for a 2023 player in NOVA.

They are owned by the Crabs. If your son is really good he will have the option to play with a Crabs "National" team. But I do not know how often this happens. Have your son tryout for VLC,Madlax and Blackwolf. Do your best to see how he fits in with the talent/kids at tryouts. And go with the one that wants you. Maybe ask the coach where your son falls in the starting rotation see if he will answer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does VLC fit in with the Crabs? What is the relationship, do they attend the same tournaments etc? Just looking good options for a 2023 player in NOVA.

They are owned by the Crabs. If your son is really good he will have the option to play with a Crabs "National" team. But I do not know how often this happens. Have your son tryout for VLC,Madlax and Blackwolf. Do your best to see how he fits in with the talent/kids at tryouts. And go with the one that wants you. Maybe ask the coach where your son falls in the starting rotation see if he will answer?

Son is already on another club, just looking at options and don't know much about VLC.

BW 2023 is about a year away or so - they focus on HS teams. Go to one of the camps if you are interested. I think the Crabs National teams are very ad hoc for specific events like the West Coast tournament, WSYL, and another one for older kids around graduation.

VLC's affiliation with the Crabs gives them the ability to play is some of the NLF tournaments. I think the Crabs control the schedule as well as how the teams are formed (one per year, middle/high school).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does VLC fit in with the Crabs? What is the relationship, do they attend the same tournaments etc? Just looking good options for a 2023 player in NOVA.

They are owned by the Crabs. If your son is really good he will have the option to play with a Crabs "National" team. But I do not know how often this happens. Have your son tryout for VLC,Madlax and Blackwolf. Do your best to see how he fits in with the talent/kids at tryouts. And go with the one that wants you. Maybe ask the coach where your son falls in the starting rotation see if he will answer?

Son is already on another club, just looking at options and don't know much about VLC.

Well tell us what club he is on now and we can tell you right away if its a upgrade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does VLC fit in with the Crabs? What is the relationship, do they attend the same tournaments etc? Just looking good options for a 2023 player in NOVA.

They are owned by the Crabs. If your son is really good he will have the option to play with a Crabs "National" team. But I do not know how often this happens. Have your son tryout for VLC,Madlax and Blackwolf. Do your best to see how he fits in with the talent/kids at tryouts. And go with the one that wants you. Maybe ask the coach where your son falls in the starting rotation see if he will answer?

Son is already on another club, just looking at options and don't know much about VLC.

Well tell us what club he is on now and we can tell you right away if its a upgrade.

The club doesn't matter, it's not an issue of upgrade. I'm just inquiring about a club I don't know much about.

Looney's 2023 is Coming for you.......see you Saturday boys!! lol

How is the team and coaching staff for the Crab's 2022 Team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the team and coaching staff for the Crab's 2022 Team?

You know the answer to that. Haven't beaten a top team in years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the team and coaching staff for the Crab's 2022 Team?

You know the answer to that. Haven't beaten a top team in years.

Careful what you wish for! Little birdies flew over practice, not too good for the haters!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the team and coaching staff for the Crab's 2022 Team?

You know the answer to that. Haven't beaten a top team in years.

Careful what you wish for! Little birdies flew over practice, not too good for the haters!

I hear crabs are loading for young guns lots of guest players this weekend

Standard cran cheating. When you can't beat start cheating. What does this say to the kids that are on the team. You guys suck so we are going to add players so we can win. Good luck cheaters

Hats off to the Crabs/Looneys/Kooper team today at Young Guns. They proved if you combine the best of 3 mediocre teams - Crabs, Koopers 2021, and Looneys, you can field a really competitive team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hats off to the Crabs/Looneys/Kooper team today at Young Guns. They proved if you combine the best of 3 mediocre teams - Crabs, Koopers 2021, and Looneys, you can field a really competitive team.

Thats actually funny!! Did they really do that??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hats off to the Crabs/Looneys/Kooper team today at Young Guns. They proved if you combine the best of 3 mediocre teams - Crabs, Koopers 2021, and Looneys, you can field a really competitive team.

Not sure how competitive they'll be if they have to play Hawks or Edge. Even philly Freedom, mesa and madlax can beat them. They should have lost to roughriders today

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hats off to the Crabs/Looneys/Kooper team today at Young Guns. They proved if you combine the best of 3 mediocre teams - Crabs, Koopers 2021, and Looneys, you can field a really competitive team.

Hats off to you for being a total sh#t head. If you are referring to Petro's kids, why don't you go up to him and says something about it. Then watch what happens.

Also add 91 players. So that is 4 teams for 1 teams and I think 35 plus players on the team. Good luck with that

Hats off that the crabs chear. Are you suppose to have a roster and stick to it. Not add players from 3 other teams. This is your team. Some BS and if you might win sorry hawks will crush your made up team. How do you as parents say we just won with other players.
No one should go to any Hawks tournamends period until they stop bending the rules to help benefit them

Just heard that the Hawks swept all the division that they played in (No 2021). I saw Hogan there earlier in the day.
Excellent Tourney, well run- top officials and great competition.
Hope to be back next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just heard that the Hawks swept all the division that they played in (No 2021). I saw Hogan there earlier in the day.
Excellent Tourney, well run- top officials and great competition.
Hope to be back next year.

See, when you have holdbacks anything is possible. Didn't work for Crabs, they picked the wrong holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hats off that the crabs chear. Are you suppose to have a roster and stick to it. Not add players from 3 other teams. This is your team. Some BS and if you might win sorry hawks will crush your made up team. How do you as parents say we just won with other players.
No one should go to any Hawks tournamends period until they stop bending the rules to help benefit them

Not a Hawks tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hats off that the crabs chear. Are you suppose to have a roster and stick to it. Not add players from 3 other teams. This is your team. Some BS and if you might win sorry hawks will crush your made up team. How do you as parents say we just won with other players.
No one should go to any Hawks tournamends period until they stop bending the rules to help benefit them

Not a Hawks tournament

Who is bending the rules? Hoco and all major tournaments set the rules. ALL clubs take the very best kids that tryout & meet the rules as they are written. Bethesda area and Baltimore have the most holdbacks by far, so their teams tend to have the most holdbacks. Anne Arundel/Annapolis and Howard County have a few. Some clubs are much better recruiters than others, but they all go after the very best players regardless of their age.

If you don't like the grade based rules, play rec. No club turns down holdbacks that tryout.

How about this - all the major clubs come together and do the right thing and say they are going to follow USL guidelines and go age based this fall. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hats off that the crabs chear. Are you suppose to have a roster and stick to it. Not add players from 3 other teams. This is your team. Some BS and if you might win sorry hawks will crush your made up team. How do you as parents say we just won with other players.
No one should go to any Hawks tournamends period until they stop bending the rules to help benefit them

Not a Hawks tournament

Who is bending the rules? Hoco and all major tournaments set the rules. ALL clubs take the very best kids that tryout & meet the rules as they are written. Bethesda area and Baltimore have the most holdbacks by far, so their teams tend to have the most holdbacks. Anne Arundel/Annapolis and Howard County have a few. Some clubs are much better recruiters than others, but they all go after the very best players regardless of their age.

If you don't like the grade based rules, play rec. No club turns down holdbacks that tryout.

HOCO or HOward COunty Recreation Department should go down as the one of the leading KING OF SHAME of LACROSSE. This public organization is the league that gave Crabs,FCA and the rest of the holdback clubs a place to play at beginning of this mess.

HOCO could have just as easily started a league of U10,U11,U13,etc, etc...like ALL the rest of their age based leagues in Howard County. HOCO give yourself a pat on back for spreading this garbage in YOUTH lacrosse. You deserve it !!

I wonder if any of the people running HOCO having a holdback kid in MIAA school had anything to do with it?? HOCO , public organization with MIAA schools holdback kids interest, not its own public students and athletics in county .

amen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amen

If hoco changed to aged based the clubs would just start another grade based league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hats off that the crabs chear. Are you suppose to have a roster and stick to it. Not add players from 3 other teams. This is your team. Some BS and if you might win sorry hawks will crush your made up team. How do you as parents say we just won with other players.
No one should go to any Hawks tournamends period until they stop bending the rules to help benefit them

Not a Hawks tournament

Who is bending the rules? Hoco and all major tournaments set the rules. ALL clubs take the very best kids that tryout & meet the rules as they are written. Bethesda area and Baltimore have the most holdbacks by far, so their teams tend to have the most holdbacks. Anne Arundel/Annapolis and Howard County have a few. Some clubs are much better recruiters than others, but they all go after the very best players regardless of their age.

If you don't like the grade based rules, play rec. No club turns down holdbacks that tryout.

HOCO or HOward COunty Recreation Department should go down as the one of the leading KING OF SHAME of LACROSSE. This public organization is the league that gave Crabs,FCA and the rest of the holdback clubs a place to play at beginning of this mess.

HOCO could have just as easily started a league of U10,U11,U13,etc, etc...like ALL the rest of their age based leagues in Howard County. HOCO give yourself a pat on back for spreading this garbage in YOUTH lacrosse. You deserve it !!

I wonder if any of the people running HOCO having a holdback kid in MIAA school had anything to do with it?? HOCO , public organization with MIAA schools holdback kids interest, not its own public students and athletics in county .

Hoco has a U15, U13, U11 league and it is mostly rec teams, just like a lot of big tourneys have age and grade divisions. Pick the one you like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about this - all the major clubs come together and do the right thing and say they are going to follow USL guidelines and go age based this fall. Problem solved.

At least until high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

amen

If hoco changed to aged based the clubs would just start another grade based league.

Missed point completely. Now Clubs would for sure. But at the time the league got started there were only age based leagues (NPYLL) (MYLA A ) and grade based High School . All youth teams were age based and if the MIAA influenced Howard County Recreation Department would have started a age based league, we would not have near the problem we have now.

Even at that time almost ALL of the clubs stayed age based until they saw writing on the wall with holdbacks. Of course Crabs ( Boys Latin based at time) licked their chops and recruited every holdback they could. Others followed quickly .

Now with Early Recruiting gone until 11th grade what will be big excuse in YOUTH lacrosse. Probably wont matter as all teams have holdbacks now and as they say " cat is out of bag".. Hard to put it back in now.

Howard County Recreation ..... At the Top of ...Hall of Shame of Lacrosse ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hats off that the crabs chear. Are you suppose to have a roster and stick to it. Not add players from 3 other teams. This is your team. Some BS and if you might win sorry hawks will crush your made up team. How do you as parents say we just won with other players.
No one should go to any Hawks tournamends period until they stop bending the rules to help benefit them

Not a Hawks tournament

Who is bending the rules? Hoco and all major tournaments set the rules. ALL clubs take the very best kids that tryout & meet the rules as they are written. Bethesda area and Baltimore have the most holdbacks by far, so their teams tend to have the most holdbacks. Anne Arundel/Annapolis and Howard County have a few. Some clubs are much better recruiters than others, but they all go after the very best players regardless of their age.

If you don't like the grade based rules, play rec. No club turns down holdbacks that tryout.

HOCO or HOward COunty Recreation Department should go down as the one of the leading KING OF SHAME of LACROSSE. This public organization is the league that gave Crabs,FCA and the rest of the holdback clubs a place to play at beginning of this mess.

HOCO could have just as easily started a league of U10,U11,U13,etc, etc...like ALL the rest of their age based leagues in Howard County. HOCO give yourself a pat on back for spreading this garbage in YOUTH lacrosse. You deserve it !!

I wonder if any of the people running HOCO having a holdback kid in MIAA school had anything to do with it?? HOCO , public organization with MIAA schools holdback kids interest, not its own public students and athletics in county .

Hoco has a U15, U13, U11 league and it is mostly rec teams, just like a lot of big tourneys have age and grade divisions. Pick the one you like.

Missed point. No Club teams had YOUTH based teams until Howard County Recreation Department started this league. NO ONE HAD YOUTH TEAMS get it.... Only HS teams.

With this league started the some Clubs especially Crabs licked their chops and recruited holdbacks. Most others followed reluctantly after seeing Crabs dominate with older heldback players. Even the Crabs up until that point were age based at YOUTH U13 and U15 and had great teams.

Without this league even if Crabs wanted its youth holdbacks on their youth teams....who would they played ?? Themselves because most teams did not go holdbacks even at beginning.

Howard County Recreation...Thanks for ruining YOUTH lacrosse in Maryland.

hoco changes rules so will clubs no where else to play...go back to birthdays

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hoco changes rules so will clubs no where else to play...go back to birthdays

Unfortunately we are way beyond that now... $$$ is pouring in to the clubs, lacrosse is more successful now than ever, should Hoco change the rules the clubs would just form their own league.

Just the way it is...

I hoco does go age based...Ill start a league that is grade based and pick up those teams and make all that cash!!!!

Have been around this scene for a bit....this " cheating " didn't start with grade based guidelines..therewas plenty of cheating and still is at age based

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have been around this scene for a bit....this " cheating " didn't start with grade based guidelines..therewas plenty of cheating and still is at age based

because it wasn't enforced, not because it won't work

I would be happy if you had to turn a roster in 1 month prior to HoCo. From that point you lock the roster and do check ins.

As far as the tournaments you should have to play with the players you selected in August. Players work to hard to be replaced at tournament time with other kids.

Everyone calls themselves coaches. We'll coaches build and pick the team in August. It's their job to develop the players they took. Not get scared that they are going to lose because they didn't coach the boys up over the course of the year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be happy if you had to turn a roster in 1 month prior to HoCo. From that point you lock the roster and do check ins.

As far as the tournaments you should have to play with the players you selected in August. Players work to hard to be replaced at tournament time with other kids.

Everyone calls themselves coaches. We'll coaches build and pick the team in August. It's their job to develop the players they took. Not get scared that they are going to lose because they didn't coach the boys up over the course of the year.

Agree...but will never happen except for a few teams. Pretty sad. My sons have and do play various sports ...Lacrosse is the most ridiculous when it comes to youth.. Youth lacrosse has its holdbacks.. No id cards..adding players to teams at times.

Lacrosse is near the bottom in integrity of youth sports...Youth Soccer which used to be terrible years ago is actually the best as far a system for youths to play against each other..

Crabs 2026 team - Any thoughts about a young team. Who is the coach?

Crabs 2026 team will be made up of 2025 and 2024 kids...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2026 team will be made up of 2025 and 2024 kids...

Good, 2024 was horrific.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2026 team will be made up of 2025 and 2024 kids...

Good, 2024 was horrific.

Biggest problem I heard with 2024 team was that the parking lot at practice field was not big enough to handle all the players driving their cars to practice.

I heard many are leaving to FCA due to larger parking lot and being able to park their cars there. FCA thinking ahead!!

Wow, got it. thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2026 team will be made up of 2025 and 2024 kids...

Good, 2024 was horrific.

Biggest problem I heard with 2024 team was that the parking lot at practice field was not big enough to handle all the players driving their cars to practice.

I heard many are leaving to FCA due to larger parking lot and being able to park their cars there. FCA thinking ahead!!

unoriginal

Could the age versus grade whiners go hibernate and have folks actually post about the sport of lacrosse (games, strategies, coaching acumen, prognostications, etc.)? I hate when folks hijack a perfectly good forum.

Watched the WSYL the other day.... They are really pushing this thing... Announcer called out Crabs for not participating... He said something like Baltimore Crabs claims to be the best Club team in the World... Why are they not here participating at the Meca of youth lacrosse tournaments....

Could it be because the tournament is a joke

my thoughts are simple. If you don't go then you don't have the right to say that the best teams weren't there. If the Russians don't come to the Olympics then people can say the best didn't show and the person who won the gold isn't the best.

You are either in or you are out. if you are out then you have no right insulting the teams that were there and since Express won, they are the best team in that age group regardless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my thoughts are simple. If you don't go then you don't have the right to say that the best teams weren't there. If the Russians don't come to the Olympics then people can say the best didn't show and the person who won the gold isn't the best.

You are either in or you are out. if you are out then you have no right insulting the teams that were there and since Express won, they are the best team in that age group regardless.

Everyone knows the 1980 and 1984 olympics were jokes because the US didn't appear in one and the USSR didn't appear in the other. What point are you trying to make. Maybe next year the Maryland teams will go and the LI teams will stay home.

and then Maryland can say they have the best team in the country. DUH!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could it be because the tournament is a joke

No many of the Maryland YOUTH club teams are loaded with players held back and couldnt make the cut off of USL guidelines of Sept 1 ...

It is as simple as that..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2026 team will be made up of 2025 and 2024 kids...

Good, 2024 was horrific.

Biggest problem I heard with 2024 team was that the parking lot at practice field was not big enough to handle all the players driving their cars to practice.

I heard many are leaving to FCA due to larger parking lot and being able to park their cars there. FCA thinking ahead!!

unoriginal

I thought it was pretty good!

Crush over Crabs 14-4 - yikes! Bigger margin than Denver. Back to the Crab lair to plot next move I guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crush over Crabs 14-4 - yikes! Bigger margin than Denver. Back to the Crab lair to plot next move I guess.

Went 5-1, beat West Coast Starz, Mesa Fresh, LI Express, Edge, and Laxachussets. If the best critism is they lost in the final to the best team in the country, I'd say they are in pretty good shape, and the only lair dweller looks a lot like what you see in the mirror. Nice try!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Crush over Crabs 14-4 - yikes! Bigger margin than Denver. Back to the Crab lair to plot next move I guess.

Went 5-1, beat West Coast Starz, Mesa Fresh, LI Express, Edge, and Laxachussets. If the best critism is they lost in the final to the best team in the country, I'd say they are in pretty good shape, and the only lair dweller looks a lot like what you see in the mirror. Nice try!
Sorry but the only dweller here is the cesspool dwellers of Crabs. It is a sh*t organza tigon, created by the top cesspool king Ryan McClernan. You think they are in good shape, well if they keep the Nass holdback crap up they may have a chance. The 2020 team is a 2018/2019 team in disguise, we all know it. Same goes for many of their other teams. Ryan is taking the 2022 team next year but he didn't want to because they were weak this year. Watch what he does to improve the 2022 team for next season. Yep, you got it, add lots of 2021 players. The only way he knows how to try and be competitive because he has no lax IQ. If you think I am not a fan of Crabs or RM you got it. So look in the mirror buddy boy and you will see a cesspool dweller.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crush over Crabs 14-4 - yikes! Bigger margin than Denver. Back to the Crab lair to plot next move I guess.

Went 5-1, beat West Coast Starz, Mesa Fresh, LI Express, Edge, and Laxachussets. If the best critism is they lost in the final to the best team in the country, I'd say they are in pretty good shape, and the only lair dweller looks a lot like what you see in the mirror. Nice try!

5-1, fine, but the team that they CHEATED to beat continues to whomp them. Karma!

Crabs - 17 year old 9th graders. SMH.

Crush is the best team in the country. You're right Crush has their number but Crabs had a good tournament and their superstars didn't play well. Defense carried them and scored goals in several games. Attack and middies couldn't handle the ball in the final. Their usual big gun scorers were MIA. The score made Crush look better than they are Crabs turnovers beat themselves. Remember they played a 2 goal at NLF just 5 weeks ago. Both teams willl be back in the fall.

How many? Can you confirm DOBs? Thought they only had one since the others moved to FCA can't play in HS once you turn 19.... not senior season for these guys.

Crabs were without a handful of key players this weekend. Including 2 D1 commits.

Its too bad Looneys and FCA couldn't make it to Long island. The NLF should set an invitational up 16 teams 4 groups with 8 making quarters. Some teams matchup well with 89+2 looks like LE gave them a real battle. While the Fall will see some good matchups the events are run showcase like so the debate will rage on until next summer if anyone can play consistently on 89+s's level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does VLC fit in with the Crabs? What is the relationship, do they attend the same tournaments etc? Just looking good options for a 2023 player in NOVA.

Crabs owns VLC, and they drive the tourneys that both clubs play in. We play in most of the same tournaments, all of the NLF events, CrabFeast, etc. Suggest you reach out to Adam Langley at VLC, and if your son is interested he will likely invite him to attend a VLC practice and see how he fits in. Practices are in NoVa at George Mason and are easy to get to. Excellent coaches and instruction at all age levels, my son has been with the club for 4 years and really enjoys it. As another poster mentioned, there is only one AA team at each grade level, no lower level teams. Hope that helps!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many? Can you confirm DOBs? Thought they only had one since the others moved to FCA can't play in HS once you turn 19.... not senior season for these guys.

1.
And it's 19 before start of Senior year for MIAA cap.
And no, you don't need to seek out DOB's on minors, or maybe you do, in which case call ABC Networks, tell them about it, I think they have a program for you. Just go where they tell you after your talk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crush is the best team in the country. You're right Crush has their number but Crabs had a good tournament and their superstars didn't play well. Defense carried them and scored goals in several games. Attack and middies couldn't handle the ball in the final. Their usual big gun scorers were MIA. The score made Crush look better than they are Crabs turnovers beat themselves. Remember they played a 2 goal at NLF just 5 weeks ago. Both teams willl be back in the fall.

Watched the game and the actual score was higher halftime score was 9-1 You could tell the way crush was scoring and some of the goals were of WOW quality have NO love for the Crabs which was made it better. That team when motivated it is almost unfair. All three attack score on demand the midfielders run and run and never tire. Crabs parents were usual excuse makers but it had to be embarrassing the way they were handled. Crush were pushing the break til the very end

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crush is the best team in the country. You're right Crush has their number but Crabs had a good tournament and their superstars didn't play well. Defense carried them and scored goals in several games. Attack and middies couldn't handle the ball in the final. Their usual big gun scorers were MIA. The score made Crush look better than they are Crabs turnovers beat themselves. Remember they played a 2 goal at NLF just 5 weeks ago. Both teams willl be back in the fall.

Watched the game and the actual score was higher halftime score was 9-1 You could tell the way crush was scoring and some of the goals were of WOW quality have NO love for the Crabs which was made it better. That team when motivated it is almost unfair. All three attack score on demand the midfielders run and run and never tire. Crabs parents were usual excuse makers but it had to be embarrassing the way they were handled. Crush were pushing the break til the very end

Crabs were without some of their top players this weekend. Game with Crush was much closer in June when they were at full strength. Crabs parents were fine and complemented Crush parents after the game - no need to stir the pot.

Looking forward to the Fall already just wish the NLF guys would set up a top 16 invitational in a great location (Turf Fields) and give the Club Managers a wide berth when and where. We played at 4HHH, Crabfeast and NLF and had very different lineups everytime. We had to go to Long Island with 1 goalie 4 poles and had lots of great players missing. Hopefully they will rejoin our program this Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crush is the best team in the country. You're right Crush has their number but Crabs had a good tournament and their superstars didn't play well. Defense carried them and scored goals in several games. Attack and middies couldn't handle the ball in the final. Their usual big gun scorers were MIA. The score made Crush look better than they are Crabs turnovers beat themselves. Remember they played a 2 goal at NLF just 5 weeks ago. Both teams willl be back in the fall.

Watched the game and the actual score was higher halftime score was 9-1 You could tell the way crush was scoring and some of the goals were of WOW quality have NO love for the Crabs which was made it better. That team when motivated it is almost unfair. All three attack score on demand the midfielders run and run and never tire. Crabs parents were usual excuse makers but it had to be embarrassing the way they were handled. Crush were pushing the break til the very end

We saw you watching the game, nimrod, ex-Crab Dad! Sour grapes got the best of you!

Saw on Crabs website regarding tryouts that their for their 2021's they will have two 2021 teams for 2017-2018, the second team called the Hardshells. Anyone know what this is about? This is directly from their website:

"The Fantastic Freshman - We WILL have a 2nd team HARDSHELLS focused on academic aces. Tourneys to be chosen based on IVY and Sub Ivy college attendance".

Have no idea what this is about. Their present 2021 team is pretty strong, could probably use a few stronger players at a few positions but are they getting that many tryout applications that they can add a few(or replace a few) on their present 2021 team and have enough to field a second 2021 team?.

Interesting that they are starting 2027 and 2028 teams. Obviously after this years 2024 debacle they have realized they need to get kids in the program earlier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Crabs website regarding tryouts that their for their 2021's they will have two 2021 teams for 2017-2018, the second team called the Hardshells. Anyone know what this is about? This is directly from their website:

"The Fantastic Freshman - We WILL have a 2nd team HARDSHELLS focused on academic aces. Tourneys to be chosen based on IVY and Sub Ivy college attendance".

Have no idea what this is about. Their present 2021 team is pretty strong, could probably use a few stronger players at a few positions but are they getting that many tryout applications that they can add a few(or replace a few) on their present 2021 team and have enough to field a second 2021 team?.

And why does it make a point on the 2022's to say that there are spots and it's an open tryout? Is this because the team has been so bad and Ryan is afraid of getting exposed as a sub par coach? From what I hear there are several more defections from the team this year.

They are trimming the 2021s as many of those kids hardly see the field... trying to pick up other kids from disbanding 2021 teams. 2022s are open because they need kids badly for this team. The crabs market 5 or 6 high caliber kids per graduation and the rest are there to serve and support the business. It is/was a successful model. Just tired and fading.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Crabs website regarding tryouts that their for their 2021's they will have two 2021 teams for 2017-2018, the second team called the Hardshells. Anyone know what this is about? This is directly from their website:

"The Fantastic Freshman - We WILL have a 2nd team HARDSHELLS focused on academic aces. Tourneys to be chosen based on IVY and Sub Ivy college attendance".

Have no idea what this is about. Their present 2021 team is pretty strong, could probably use a few stronger players at a few positions but are they getting that many tryout applications that they can add a few(or replace a few) on their present 2021 team and have enough to field a second 2021 team?.

They have had hardshells before. They put them in he top NPYLL league along with the A team Crabs. Hardshells usually came in last. Hardshells usually come along when a kid of someone in the organization can't make the A teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are trimming the 2021s as many of those kids hardly see the field... trying to pick up other kids from disbanding 2021 teams. 2022s are open because they need kids badly for this team. The crabs market 5 or 6 high caliber kids per graduation and the rest are there to serve and support the business. It is/was a successful model. Just tired and fading.

I love this line of thinking ever team has 6 top players. Its up to your son to play well enough to be top D1 its not the clubs fault your son is not stepping up or good enough to play and top D1 player. Everyone like to think they are pushing that kid above my kid. No your so is not stepping up for himself. Top D1 talent does not need marketing the kids play is his marketing. If your son is playing in these top events and not being talked to and looked at by the top D1 schools its yours sons fault not any club. I am not a Crab parent.

I disagree with you. Although you are correct as a general rule with most teams, many of the players on the Crabs 2021 team aren't even given an opportunity to show themselves. Its well known if you aren't part of the 6-8 players on that 2021 team you basically have a great view of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Crabs website regarding tryouts that their for their 2021's they will have two 2021 teams for 2017-2018, the second team called the Hardshells. Anyone know what this is about? This is directly from their website:

"The Fantastic Freshman - We WILL have a 2nd team HARDSHELLS focused on academic aces. Tourneys to be chosen based on IVY and Sub Ivy college attendance".

Have no idea what this is about. Their present 2021 team is pretty strong, could probably use a few stronger players at a few positions but are they getting that many tryout applications that they can add a few(or replace a few) on their present 2021 team and have enough to field a second 2021 team?.

They have had hardshells before. They put them in he top NPYLL league along with the A team Crabs. Hardshells usually came in last. Hardshells usually come along when a kid of someone in the organization can't make the A teams.

Jumbo Lumps kid would be that kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Crabs website regarding tryouts that their for their 2021's they will have two 2021 teams for 2017-2018, the second team called the Hardshells. Anyone know what this is about? This is directly from their website:

"The Fantastic Freshman - We WILL have a 2nd team HARDSHELLS focused on academic aces. Tourneys to be chosen based on IVY and Sub Ivy college attendance".

Have no idea what this is about. Their present 2021 team is pretty strong, could probably use a few stronger players at a few positions but are they getting that many tryout applications that they can add a few(or replace a few) on their present 2021 team and have enough to field a second 2021 team?.

They have had hardshells before. They put them in he top NPYLL league along with the A team Crabs. Hardshells usually came in last. Hardshells usually come along when a kid of someone in the organization can't make the A teams.

No. Usually its because there's a Crabs coach with a kid who can't make that particular grade's team, so they start a 2nd one.

Will USL teaming up with NXT ,Adrenaline and 3d Lacrosse to rein in grade base older players have any effect on the Crabs in future??

Age base is starting slow with only U9 this year.. ..4th grade teams and up this year can still can have older players playing down.

Looks like each year USL and NXT, etc expand it by one year to hopefully have age for every year by the end of 6 years. What a joke.

With this kind of thinking..Grade base is here to stay.. Grade base proponents will have plenty of time to do something different. Why they didnt do it over a year or two is stupid. Grade base came on within a year after being implemented.

I agree all changes to the rules can be done easily within a 12 month window. Make a rule say on Aug 1st this is the new rule. Not hard at all. Teams rosters from AA to C level change at the least 25% every Aug. No reason to push a rule out so slow. Now do we think the clubs like 3D who have tournaments with a 100 teams will play teams like the Crabs or Madlax with reclassed kids with a whole team of on age 12 month window kids? If these clubs want to go age based only they can but they will still want to play in the Crabs, Madlax, Hawks tournaments. These clubs with high numbers of Private school kids on them will always be older and they will want to play grade based. I think Lacrosse is still run by the Private school kids/parents. We might get 4th to 7th grade to conform to a 12 month window but I say a 0% chance 8th to 11th grade teams will ever not be grade based.

Dicks ToC down in Florida is age based this year. I wonder what kind of teams will participate this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dicks ToC down in Florida is age based this year. I wonder what kind of teams will participate this year.

It's always been age based. Think you meant it's grade based this year.

Dicks has gone over to the grade based side in a HUGE way... They allow 2022 to be born on Jan 1, 2003 ...Of course the morons at Dicks say it is a 14U division too. Not even close to 14U

That is four months short of being a U16 if there was such a thing.. Ridiculous!! Letting kids born EIGHT months older than the majority of 2022's play down... What simpleton came up with that?

Why didnt they just call it the team with the most holdback's winners tournament. Someone said something about lacrosse not being a joke..Well when you let a select group of players only play down that are 8 months older than majority of players in country, that is a joke !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree all changes to the rules can be done easily within a 12 month window. Make a rule say on Aug 1st this is the new rule. Not hard at all. Teams rosters from AA to C level change at the least 25% every Aug. No reason to push a rule out so slow. Now do we think the clubs like 3D who have tournaments with a 100 teams will play teams like the Crabs or Madlax with reclassed kids with a whole team of on age 12 month window kids? If these clubs want to go age based only they can but they will still want to play in the Crabs, Madlax, Hawks tournaments. These clubs with high numbers of Private school kids on them will always be older and they will want to play grade based. I think Lacrosse is still run by the Private school kids/parents. We might get 4th to 7th grade to conform to a 12 month window but I say a 0% chance 8th to 11th grade teams will ever not be grade based.

At least in Maryland it is run by the elitist private school parents/coaches driven only by the dollar and the dads egos - never about the kids in Baltimore. Better luck to the other areas of the country that have not yet killed the game.

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Wasnt that the craziest thing ever.. Baltimore was basically a bunch of raising 11th graders instead of 10th. All of them should have been on the Highlight Division team..Well most would have not made it. Most people around country all know the drill with Baltimore teams. Loaded with older players. Many others are trying to catch up now each seems.

MIAA has ruined youth lacrosse in MD. They didnt do it themselves. It was the Clubs associated with MIAA teams like Crabs , FCA, etc..

No one cared when youth was age and MIAA middle schools teams and High Schools teams played each others holdbacks. Probably fair to each MIAA team as they all had prefirst and holdbacks..... But once the older holdbacks/prefirsts filtered to youth programs and clubs and started to play down.....It has ruined the integrity and fairness of Youth lacrosse in MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Wasnt that the craziest thing ever.. Baltimore was basically a bunch of raising 11th graders instead of 10th. All of them should have been on the Highlight Division team..Well most would have not made it. Most people around country all know the drill with Baltimore teams. Loaded with older players. Many others are trying to catch up now each seems.

MIAA has ruined youth lacrosse in MD. They didnt do it themselves. It was the Clubs associated with MIAA teams like Crabs , FCA, etc..

No one cared when youth was age and MIAA middle schools teams and High Schools teams played each others holdbacks. Probably fair to each MIAA team as they all had prefirst and holdbacks..... But once the older holdbacks/prefirsts filtered to youth programs and clubs and started to play down.....It has ruined the integrity and fairness of Youth lacrosse in MD.

Shut up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Wasnt that the craziest thing ever.. Baltimore was basically a bunch of raising 11th graders instead of 10th. All of them should have been on the Highlight Division team..Well most would have not made it. Most people around country all know the drill with Baltimore teams. Loaded with older players. Many others are trying to catch up now each seems.

MIAA has ruined youth lacrosse in MD. They didnt do it themselves. It was the Clubs associated with MIAA teams like Crabs , FCA, etc..

No one cared when youth was age and MIAA middle schools teams and High Schools teams played each others holdbacks. Probably fair to each MIAA team as they all had prefirst and holdbacks..... But once the older holdbacks/prefirsts filtered to youth programs and clubs and started to play down.....It has ruined the integrity and fairness of Youth lacrosse in MD.

Shut up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Wasnt that the craziest thing ever.. Baltimore was basically a bunch of raising 11th graders instead of 10th. All of them should have been on the Highlight Division team..Well most would have not made it. Most people around country all know the drill with Baltimore teams. Loaded with older players. Many others are trying to catch up now each seems.

MIAA has ruined youth lacrosse in MD. They didnt do it themselves. It was the Clubs associated with MIAA teams like Crabs , FCA, etc..

No one cared when youth was age and MIAA middle schools teams and High Schools teams played each others holdbacks. Probably fair to each MIAA team as they all had prefirst and holdbacks..... But once the older holdbacks/prefirsts filtered to youth programs and clubs and started to play down.....It has ruined the integrity and fairness of Youth lacrosse in MD.

Shut up.

You shut up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Wasnt that the craziest thing ever.. Baltimore was basically a bunch of raising 11th graders instead of 10th. All of them should have been on the Highlight Division team..Well most would have not made it. Most people around country all know the drill with Baltimore teams. Loaded with older players. Many others are trying to catch up now each seems.

MIAA has ruined youth lacrosse in MD. They didnt do it themselves. It was the Clubs associated with MIAA teams like Crabs , FCA, etc..

No one cared when youth was age and MIAA middle schools teams and High Schools teams played each others holdbacks. Probably fair to each MIAA team as they all had prefirst and holdbacks..... But once the older holdbacks/prefirsts filtered to youth programs and clubs and started to play down.....It has ruined the integrity and fairness of Youth lacrosse in MD.

Shut up.

Relax Ryan..Just go out and convince a couple of MIAA prefirst kids to stay back another grade and become double holdbacks..I bet that will get that warm and fuzzy feeling back!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Ty Xanders...LOL...HAHAHA! Please say you are joking? Please say you are smarter than your post?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Ty Xanders...LOL...HAHAHA! Please say you are joking? Please say you are smarter than your post?

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

So when does the pool start on how long it will take the 2022 team to give RM a heart attack?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Wasnt that the craziest thing ever.. Baltimore was basically a bunch of raising 11th graders instead of 10th. All of them should have been on the Highlight Division team..Well most would have not made it. Most people around country all know the drill with Baltimore teams. Loaded with older players. Many others are trying to catch up now each seems.

MIAA has ruined youth lacrosse in MD. They didnt do it themselves. It was the Clubs associated with MIAA teams like Crabs , FCA, etc..

No one cared when youth was age and MIAA middle schools teams and High Schools teams played each others holdbacks. Probably fair to each MIAA team as they all had prefirst and holdbacks..... But once the older holdbacks/prefirsts filtered to youth programs and clubs and started to play down.....It has ruined the integrity and fairness of Youth lacrosse in MD.

Shut up.

Truth hurts. Part of the issue in Baltimore area is that "adults" who could be setting fair play standards and modeling as ambassadors of the sport are holding back their own kids. Parents who swore their kids would never holdback and/or attend private school or play for organizations like Crabs forgot their own integrity in the hopes of a minimal scholarship or more likely they just wanted the water cooler bragging rights. when you have high school, club coaches and public figures and league organizers involved at a high level with the sport reclassing their sons because they could not compete at their appropriate age level and they encourage others to do the same you know the sport locally will never change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Wasnt that the craziest thing ever.. Baltimore was basically a bunch of raising 11th graders instead of 10th. All of them should have been on the Highlight Division team..Well most would have not made it. Most people around country all know the drill with Baltimore teams. Loaded with older players. Many others are trying to catch up now each seems.

MIAA has ruined youth lacrosse in MD. They didnt do it themselves. It was the Clubs associated with MIAA teams like Crabs , FCA, etc..

No one cared when youth was age and MIAA middle schools teams and High Schools teams played each others holdbacks. Probably fair to each MIAA team as they all had prefirst and holdbacks..... But once the older holdbacks/prefirsts filtered to youth programs and clubs and started to play down.....It has ruined the integrity and fairness of Youth lacrosse in MD.

Shut up.

Truth hurts. Part of the issue in Baltimore area is that "adults" who could be setting fair play standards and modeling as ambassadors of the sport are holding back their own kids. Parents who swore their kids would never holdback and/or attend private school or play for organizations like Crabs forgot their own integrity in the hopes of a minimal scholarship or more likely they just wanted the water cooler bragging rights. when you have high school, club coaches and public figures and league organizers involved at a high level with the sport reclassing their sons because they could not compete at their appropriate age level and they encourage others to do the same you know the sport locally will never change.

My kid held back, and I love it. You can whine away until your butt hurts.

Ha! Good for you. My on age kid probably kicks his [lacrosse] on regular basis. Sorry your kids couldn't compete against his peers.

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.[/quote]

Ty Xanders is an [lacrosse] clown, whoever buys him his last beer gets their opinion printed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ha! Good for you. My on age kid probably kicks his [lacrosse] on regular basis. Sorry your kids couldn't compete against his peers.

If you even dream about your kid competing on the same field as mine, I want you to wake up and apologize.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Ty Xanders...LOL...HAHAHA! Please say you are joking? Please say you are smarter than your post?

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

Sure, for starters, in the MIAA every A conference coach is a better source for Bmore recruiting. And I will raise you one to keep you from asking another dumb question. In college, at least every D1 coach is a better source about college recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Ty Xanders is an [lacrosse] clown, whoever buys him his last beer gets their opinion printed

[/quote]

Ty Xanders is a total joke. Ever wonder how he makes his money? He doesn't do this junk for free. He is a total nit and has never played lacrosse in college, [lacrosse], he never finished his first semester of his freshman year. He found a way to try and make a living by doing his recruiting updates yet no one takes him seriously except the parents of the players he mentions. HS and college coaches pay no attention to him. They know and find the good players thru their own sources, and it isn't thru little boy Ty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Ty Xanders...LOL...HAHAHA! Please say you are joking? Please say you are smarter than your post?

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

Sure, for starters, in the MIAA every A conference coach is a better source for Bmore recruiting. And I will raise you one to keep you from asking another dumb question. In college, at least every D1 coach is a better source about college recruiting.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit I see....... Bmore recruiting is not the same as High School recruiting. I know you MIAA parents think the world revolves around MIAA HS lacrosse, but there is other places lacrosse is played at a high level. MIAA coaches know the MIAA as does local Xanders. But Xanders follows DC/Philly/Long Island/Conn/NY/FL/etc/etc.. MIAA coaches may know a kid here or there out of MIAA world, but not as much as Xanders.
Seriously College Coaches?? They may know what they are looking for more than Xanders but they dont follow all HS like Xanders. Once the fill up they dont pay a huge amount of attention to other HS players in the same class? Most college teams only need 10 -15 recruits each year. And for that..You want to tell us that they know HS recruiting better than Xanders. LOL and your D1 coaches arent even looking at some HS players D2 and D3 look at, There is a world outside of D1?? Right?? LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Ty Xanders...LOL...HAHAHA! Please say you are joking? Please say you are smarter than your post?

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

Sure, for starters, in the MIAA every A conference coach is a better source for Bmore recruiting. And I will raise you one to keep you from asking another dumb question. In college, at least every D1 coach is a better source about college recruiting.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit I see....... Bmore recruiting is not the same as High School recruiting. I know you MIAA parents think the world revolves around MIAA HS lacrosse, but there is other places lacrosse is played at a high level. MIAA coaches know the MIAA as does local Xanders. But Xanders follows DC/Philly/Long Island/Conn/NY/FL/etc/etc.. MIAA coaches may know a kid here or there out of MIAA world, but not as much as Xanders.
Seriously College Coaches?? They may know what they are looking for more than Xanders but they dont follow all HS like Xanders. Once the fill up they dont pay a huge amount of attention to other HS players in the same class? Most college teams only need 10 -15 recruits each year. And for that..You want to tell us that they know HS recruiting better than Xanders. LOL and your D1 coaches arent even looking at some HS players D2 and D3 look at, There is a world outside of D1?? Right?? LOL

Wow, you are critical of someone's reading comprehension and yet your sentence structure sucks big time.What you posted looks like it was done by a forth grader.
If you think for one minute college coaches do not know high level players in other areas of the country you are very misinformed. They have scouts and others who are always looking for the high level, exceptional player. Yes, coaches in Maryland know of players in NY/DC/ LI/Philly/Midwest/West Coast etc..It is the same for NY and all other areas of the country, college coaches know where and who the talent is. And...they do not rely on Ty at all. They know who he is but that is as far as it goes.
Now that I re read your post it is still not well structured and there is a good possibility it may have been posted by Ty himself. He is thin skinned, somewhat like Trump. Yup, I believe the above post was written by Ty.. He really needs to take some writing courses to improve and maintain a higher level of sentence structure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Wasnt that the craziest thing ever.. Baltimore was basically a bunch of raising 11th graders instead of 10th. All of them should have been on the Highlight Division team..Well most would have not made it. Most people around country all know the drill with Baltimore teams. Loaded with older players. Many others are trying to catch up now each seems.

MIAA has ruined youth lacrosse in MD. They didnt do it themselves. It was the Clubs associated with MIAA teams like Crabs , FCA, etc..

No one cared when youth was age and MIAA middle schools teams and High Schools teams played each others holdbacks. Probably fair to each MIAA team as they all had prefirst and holdbacks..... But once the older holdbacks/prefirsts filtered to youth programs and clubs and started to play down.....It has ruined the integrity and fairness of Youth lacrosse in MD.

Shut up.

Truth hurts. Part of the issue in Baltimore area is that "adults" who could be setting fair play standards and modeling as ambassadors of the sport are holding back their own kids. Parents who swore their kids would never holdback and/or attend private school or play for organizations like Crabs forgot their own integrity in the hopes of a minimal scholarship or more likely they just wanted the water cooler bragging rights. when you have high school, club coaches and public figures and league organizers involved at a high level with the sport reclassing their sons because they could not compete at their appropriate age level and they encourage others to do the same you know the sport locally will never change.

My kid held back, and I love it. You can whine away until your butt hurts.

And once again, therein lies the problem....it is NOT about YOU. It must get lonely waiting for someone to come by to bore them with your "WE won this weekend."or perhaps " I am announcing a game this weekend, but more importantly let me tell you about my stud son who I held back". Or "my high school team lost this weekend but let me tell you about my son who I held back and who plays in the MIAAA". Of course if an extra year to even have a chance of getting a scholarship is your goal, then more power to you but that is not the goal or the character that those trying to promote age based play are going for. The dads that live through their boys will never get it so carry on but don't give those who are trying to fix the sport and teach kids sportsmanship etc. grief.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Ty Xanders...LOL...HAHAHA! Please say you are joking? Please say you are smarter than your post?

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

Sure, for starters, in the MIAA every A conference coach is a better source for Bmore recruiting. And I will raise you one to keep you from asking another dumb question. In college, at least every D1 coach is a better source about college recruiting.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit I see....... Bmore recruiting is not the same as High School recruiting. I know you MIAA parents think the world revolves around MIAA HS lacrosse, but there is other places lacrosse is played at a high level. MIAA coaches know the MIAA as does local Xanders. But Xanders follows DC/Philly/Long Island/Conn/NY/FL/etc/etc.. MIAA coaches may know a kid here or there out of MIAA world, but not as much as Xanders.
Seriously College Coaches?? They may know what they are looking for more than Xanders but they dont follow all HS like Xanders. Once the fill up they dont pay a huge amount of attention to other HS players in the same class? Most college teams only need 10 -15 recruits each year. And for that..You want to tell us that they know HS recruiting better than Xanders. LOL and your D1 coaches arent even looking at some HS players D2 and D3 look at, There is a world outside of D1?? Right?? LOL

Wow, you are critical of someone's reading comprehension and yet your sentence structure sucks big time.What you posted looks like it was done by a forth grader.
If you think for one minute college coaches do not know high level players in other areas of the country you are very misinformed. They have scouts and others who are always looking for the high level, exceptional player. Yes, coaches in Maryland know of players in NY/DC/ LI/Philly/Midwest/West Coast etc..It is the same for NY and all other areas of the country, college coaches know where and who the talent is. And...they do not rely on Ty at all. They know who he is but that is as far as it goes.
Now that I re read your post it is still not well structured and there is a good possibility it may have been posted by Ty himself. He is thin skinned, somewhat like Trump. Yup, I believe the above post was written by Ty.. He really needs to take some writing courses to improve and maintain a higher level of sentence structure.

You are hilarious! Maybe your FOURTH grade education failed you in spelling! You have more to say about sentence structure than the actual point. That is the normal for people like you who rather than evaluating the soundness and validity of the argument that he presents
goes for argumentum ad hominem. Ignorant Hillary Lovers like you usually do that. Just throw out hate filled rhetoric instead of actually presenting an argument to your view.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Ty Xanders...LOL...HAHAHA! Please say you are joking? Please say you are smarter than your post?

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

Sure, for starters, in the MIAA every A conference coach is a better source for Bmore recruiting. And I will raise you one to keep you from asking another dumb question. In college, at least every D1 coach is a better source about college recruiting.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit I see....... Bmore recruiting is not the same as High School recruiting. I know you MIAA parents think the world revolves around MIAA HS lacrosse, but there is other places lacrosse is played at a high level. MIAA coaches know the MIAA as does local Xanders. But Xanders follows DC/Philly/Long Island/Conn/NY/FL/etc/etc.. MIAA coaches may know a kid here or there out of MIAA world, but not as much as Xanders.
Seriously College Coaches?? They may know what they are looking for more than Xanders but they dont follow all HS like Xanders. Once the fill up they dont pay a huge amount of attention to other HS players in the same class? Most college teams only need 10 -15 recruits each year. And for that..You want to tell us that they know HS recruiting better than Xanders. LOL and your D1 coaches arent even looking at some HS players D2 and D3 look at, There is a world outside of D1?? Right?? LOL

Wow, you are critical of someone's reading comprehension and yet your sentence structure sucks big time.What you posted looks like it was done by a forth grader.
If you think for one minute college coaches do not know high level players in other areas of the country you are very misinformed. They have scouts and others who are always looking for the high level, exceptional player. Yes, coaches in Maryland know of players in NY/DC/ LI/Philly/Midwest/West Coast etc..It is the same for NY and all other areas of the country, college coaches know where and who the talent is. And...they do not rely on Ty at all. They know who he is but that is as far as it goes.
Now that I re read your post it is still not well structured and there is a good possibility it may have been posted by Ty himself. He is thin skinned, somewhat like Trump. Yup, I believe the above post was written by Ty.. He really needs to take some writing courses to improve and maintain a higher level of sentence structure.

You are hilarious! Maybe your FOURTH grade education failed you in spelling! You have more to say about sentence structure than the actual point. That is the normal for people like you who rather than evaluating the soundness and validity of the argument that he presents
goes for argumentum ad hominem. Ignorant Hillary Lovers like you usually do that. Just throw out hate filled rhetoric instead of actually presenting an argument to your view.

To insinuate that Ty Xanders know more about recruiting and talent than College or High School lacrosse coaches is inaccurate, to imply that college coaches only look at 10-15 kids and once they fill a list they pack it in is inaccurate, to say that there is a world outside of D1 (which there is) and think that Ty Xanders knows anything about that is inaccurate (he promotes very few, if any D2 and D3 kids). He is a front running name dropper, he made his bones as a sandwich boy for King Crab, then began writing down what he said and posting online. I find it funny that he makes his living off of the club game and then wants to criticize something he promotes and helped create, biting the hand that feeds you is not very intelligent.

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???

My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???

My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???

My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Someone's son must have been passed up a shout out by Ty !

I have not been to single prospect day where a D1 coach did not make fun of Ty Xanders. Not a one...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not been to single prospect day where a D1 coach did not make fun of Ty Xanders. Not a one...

They said the same about Mel Kiper...just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???

My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Someone's son must have been passed up a shout out by Ty !

Nope, wrong. This nut has written about my 2020 son quite a few times over that past two seasons, all positive. My son doesn't need his help getting recruited, already verbal committed to a top Div 1 college. Ty is the laughing stock of college lacrosse and most college coaches pay no attention to him whatsoever. If you actually knew him you wouldn't be making such jackass statements.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???

My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Someone's son must have been passed up a shout out by Ty !

Nope, wrong. This nut has written about my 2020 son quite a few times over that past two seasons, all positive. My son doesn't need his help getting recruited, already verbal committed to a top Div 1 college. Ty is the laughing stock of college lacrosse and most college coaches pay no attention to him whatsoever. If you actually knew him you wouldn't be making such jackass statements.

Yep..Didnt get a shout out by Ty. Top D1! LOL Now relax and have your son hit the wall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

D" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???

My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Someone's son must have been passed up a shout out by Ty !

Nope, wrong. This nut has written about my 2020 son quite a few times over that past two seasons, all positive. My son doesn't need his help getting recruited, already verbal committed to a top Div 1 college. Ty is the laughing stock of college lacrosse and most college coaches pay no attention to him whatsoever. If you actually knew him you wouldn't be making such jackass statements.

Yep..Didnt get a shout out by Ty. Top D1! LOL Now relax and have your son hit the wall

You just continue to prove you are a super jackass. What you can do with your LOL, well at least you should be able to figure that out. Ty is a nitwit and if you think otherwise you are right there with him. Wrote my son up four times this summer and I nor my son could care less. My son, obvoously like yours doesn't have to hit the wall. He was/ is on the radar of several Div 1 schools and verbaled to a top program where he really wants to attend for the academics. As far as Ty goes, he is a total waste of time, all the coaches that contacted us never mentioned nitwit Ty. Also, little Ty has never spoken to my son. So, jackass, I don't give a rats [lacrosse] what you believe. Seems you must be a big fan of little Ty, maybe a relative or this is little Ty himself. Now, get your little boy outside to hit the wall, maybe something good will/can happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???

My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Someone's son must have been passed up a shout out by Ty !

Nope, wrong. This nut has written about my 2020 son quite a few times over that past two seasons, all positive. My son doesn't need his help getting recruited, already verbal committed to a top Div 1 college. Ty is the laughing stock of college lacrosse and most college coaches pay no attention to him whatsoever. If you actually knew him you wouldn't be making such jackass statements.

Yep..Didnt get a shout out by Ty. Top D1! LOL Now relax and have your son hit the wall

To insinuate that a player couldn't be recruited by and committed to a D1, D2 or D3 program without being mentioned by Ty Xanders is inaccurate. Inaccurate and ridiculously absurd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

D" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???
My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Someone's son must have been passed up a shout out by Ty !

Nope, wrong. This nut has written about my 2020 son quite a few times over that past two seasons, all positive. My son doesn't need his help getting recruited, already verbal committed to a top Div 1 college. Ty is the laughing stock of college lacrosse and most college coaches pay no attention to him whatsoever. If you actually knew him you wouldn't be making such jackass statements.

Yep..Didnt get a shout out by Ty. Top D1! LOL Now relax and have your son hit the wall

You just continue to prove you are a super jackass. What you can do with your LOL, well at least you should be able to figure that out. Ty is a nitwit and if you think otherwise you are right there with him. Wrote my son up four times this summer and I nor my son could care less. My son, obvoously like yours doesn't have to hit the wall. He was/ is on the radar of several Div 1 schools and verbaled to a top program where he really wants to attend for the academics. As far as Ty goes, he is a total waste of time, all the coaches that contacted us never mentioned nitwit Ty. Also, little Ty has never spoken to my son. So, jackass, I don't give a rats [lacrosse] what you believe. Seems you must be a big fan of little Ty, maybe a relative or this is little Ty himself. Now, get your little boy outside to hit the wall, maybe something good will/can happen.

You sure are getting overworked on a guy that is according to you irrelevant. Just proves my point that you craved a Ty shout out and didnt get it!

My son is done hitting the wall. While he loves lacrosse he was offered a real full ride to play football. If you have athleticism and speed they give them out like candy compared to partials in lacrosse. So my little boy is hitting the weight room and track this summer. Listen now, dont feel bad about Ty for not giving your son a shout out, mine didnt get one either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

D" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???
My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Someone's son must have been passed up a shout out by Ty !

Nope, wrong. This nut has written about my 2020 son quite a few times over that past two seasons, all positive. My son doesn't need his help getting recruited, already verbal committed to a top Div 1 college. Ty is the laughing stock of college lacrosse and most college coaches pay no attention to him whatsoever. If you actually knew him you wouldn't be making such jackass statements.

Yep..Didnt get a shout out by Ty. Top D1! LOL Now relax and have your son hit the wall

You just continue to prove you are a super jackass. What you can do with your LOL, well at least you should be able to figure that out. Ty is a nitwit and if you think otherwise you are right there with him. Wrote my son up four times this summer and I nor my son could care less. My son, obvoously like yours doesn't have to hit the wall. He was/ is on the radar of several Div 1 schools and verbaled to a top program where he really wants to attend for the academics. As far as Ty goes, he is a total waste of time, all the coaches that contacted us never mentioned nitwit Ty. Also, little Ty has never spoken to my son. So, jackass, I don't give a rats [lacrosse] what you believe. Seems you must be a big fan of little Ty, maybe a relative or this is little Ty himself. Now, get your little boy outside to hit the wall, maybe something good will/can happen.

You sure are getting overworked on a guy that is according to you irrelevant. Just proves my point that you craved a Ty shout out and didnt get it!

My son is done hitting the wall. While he loves lacrosse he was offered a real full ride to play football. If you have athleticism and speed they give them out like candy compared to partials in lacrosse. So my little boy is hitting the weight room and track this summer. Listen now, dont feel bad about Ty for not giving your son a shout out, mine didnt get one either.

Not overworked at all,. Just pointing out and proving how much of a jackass you are. And, you just proved it again. You should really just stop and keep quite, as the more you move forward the sillier you look. If you think Ty is something special then you are in the minority. Why would anyone crave a shout out from little Ty. Not me but it seems you did at one point but for some reason still feel he is great. Just proves you are missing the point and have no idea how Ty works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

D" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???
My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Someone's son must have been passed up a shout out by Ty !

Nope, wrong. This nut has written about my 2020 son quite a few times over that past two seasons, all positive. My son doesn't need his help getting recruited, already verbal committed to a top Div 1 college. Ty is the laughing stock of college lacrosse and most college coaches pay no attention to him whatsoever. If you actually knew him you wouldn't be making such jackass statements.

Yep..Didnt get a shout out by Ty. Top D1! LOL Now relax and have your son hit the wall

You just continue to prove you are a super jackass. What you can do with your LOL, well at least you should be able to figure that out. Ty is a nitwit and if you think otherwise you are right there with him. Wrote my son up four times this summer and I nor my son could care less. My son, obvoously like yours doesn't have to hit the wall. He was/ is on the radar of several Div 1 schools and verbaled to a top program where he really wants to attend for the academics. As far as Ty goes, he is a total waste of time, all the coaches that contacted us never mentioned nitwit Ty. Also, little Ty has never spoken to my son. So, jackass, I don't give a rats [lacrosse] what you believe. Seems you must be a big fan of little Ty, maybe a relative or this is little Ty himself. Now, get your little boy outside to hit the wall, maybe something good will/can happen.

You sure are getting overworked on a guy that is according to you irrelevant. Just proves my point that you craved a Ty shout out and didnt get it!

My son is done hitting the wall. While he loves lacrosse he was offered a real full ride to play football. If you have athleticism and speed they give them out like candy compared to partials in lacrosse. So my little boy is hitting the weight room and track this summer. Listen now, dont feel bad about Ty for not giving your son a shout out, mine didnt get one either.

sure he was dad

Well if this guys son did have a write up from Ty and his son is as good as he says he is. I think this proves our point TY is writing about and pointing out the top players in high school lacrosse. He has said several times he can not see every player. But until another sight pops up doing the same service he is the best at it. Maybe you can talk one of those D1 lacrosse scouts to start a sight and have them give rankings and write ups a shot. I think everyone who reads his sight and lists is fully aware it is not 100% on point. But I find it really funny the hate towards him but his counter parts from other sports get very little hate. I see the guys who make high school football list and most of them are 110 pounds with glasses. At least TY played some higher level lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well if this guys son did have a write up from Ty and his son is as good as he says he is. I think this proves our point TY is writing about and pointing out the top players in high school lacrosse. He has said several times he can not see every player. But until another sight pops up doing the same service he is the best at it. Maybe you can talk one of those D1 lacrosse scouts to start a sight and have them give rankings and write ups a shot. I think everyone who reads his sight and lists is fully aware it is not 100% on point. But I find it really funny the hate towards him but his counter parts from other sports get very little hate. I see the guys who make high school football list and most of them are 110 pounds with glasses. At least TY played some higher level lacrosse.

All you need to do is talk to Ty one time and you will know what everyone is talking about. Other sports writers know the game and are focused on it, but not Ty. He may try to get you to believe that is the case but far from it.
Ty never played lacrosse on a high level and is not a good player, but that nothing to do with what he is doing now. Again it begs the question, where does Ty make his money, who pays him. The answers to that would lead to a whole new can of worms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well if this guys son did have a write up from Ty and his son is as good as he says he is. I think this proves our point TY is writing about and pointing out the top players in high school lacrosse. He has said several times he can not see every player. But until another sight pops up doing the same service he is the best at it. Maybe you can talk one of those D1 lacrosse scouts to start a sight and have them give rankings and write ups a shot. I think everyone who reads his sight and lists is fully aware it is not 100% on point. But I find it really funny the hate towards him but his counter parts from other sports get very little hate. I see the guys who make high school football list and most of them are 110 pounds with glasses. At least TY played some higher level lacrosse.

thanks Ty

Ty is the SportsCenter of Lacrosse. Is it necessary to the game? No. Does it enhance the experience for players and fans? Yes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty is the SportsCenter of Lacrosse. Is it necessary to the game? No. Does it enhance the experience for players and fans? Yes.

This is what I wanted to say but said better. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty is the SportsCenter of Lacrosse. Is it necessary to the game? No. Does it enhance the experience for players and fans? Yes.

Thanks again Ty. You seem to be on this board quite frequently. Guess you need to attempt to defend yourself as best you can because no one else will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty is the SportsCenter of Lacrosse. Is it necessary to the game? No. Does it enhance the experience for players and fans? Yes.

Thanks again Ty. You seem to be on this board quite frequently. Guess you need to attempt to defend yourself as best you can because no one else will.

You and Ty need to take this to pm. We know you are upset Ty didnt give your son a shout out. It is clear you are very bitter over this. Offer Ty a couple of Ravens tickets. That might get your son a shout out and 1/16 scholarship offer from Whatsamatta U lacrosse program !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty is the SportsCenter of Lacrosse. Is it necessary to the game? No. Does it enhance the experience for players and fans? Yes.

Thanks again Ty. You seem to be on this board quite frequently. Guess you need to attempt to defend yourself as best you can because no one else will.

You and Ty need to take this to pm. We know you are upset Ty didnt give your son a shout out. It is clear you are very bitter over this. Offer Ty a couple of Ravens tickets. That might get your son a shout out and 1/16 scholarship offer from Whatsamatta U lacrosse program !

You are an idiot, that is the only thing that is clear.

Ty didn't write this. I did and I'm a lacrosse parent just like you. The only difference between us is that I am capable of being happy for kids other than my son when success comes their way.

Jesus, enough about Ty Xanders. Who cares?

Wouldn't we rather talk about the low numbers at Crabs tryouts this year?

Wow... Half of the Crabs 2023 team just went elsewhere. What the [lacrosse] happened there? What a shame!

Rosters are trickling in on the Crabs site. 2022 has a 21 Club Blue Hold back and also a 22 B team FCA kid signed up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ty didn't write this. I did and I'm a lacrosse parent just like you. The only difference between us is that I am capable of being happy for kids other than my son when success comes their way.

Same here, Success has come my sons way and also to several of his teammates and friends and I am extremely happy for all of them. The only difference is that I see too many people putting too much into what Ty writes. . He is not the be all/ end all of recruiting. HS and especially college coaches and their "scouts" have a much better picture of the landscape of players, not just in the Md/NY area but countrywide. Happy for my son and others, if they are written up by Ty or not. Where you get the notion that my son was never written up by Ty I have no idea, but you are incorrect. But that doesn't change the way I look at Ty Xanders. Perhaps I know a little more than most people about him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are trickling in on the Crabs site. 2022 has a 21 Club Blue Hold back and also a 22 B team FCA kid signed up.

Crabs adding kids from FCA's B team now? Sounds about right.

they cant play in denver in july because of the hold backs---

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are trickling in on the Crabs site. 2022 has a 21 Club Blue Hold back and also a 22 B team FCA kid signed up.

Crabs adding kids from FCA's B team now? Sounds about right.

I bet Crabs 2021, 2020, 2019, teams are strong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow... Half of the Crabs 2023 team just went elsewhere. What the [lacrosse] happened there? What a shame!

Sometimes you just have to cut the cancers out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow... Half of the Crabs 2023 team just went elsewhere. What the [lacrosse] happened there? What a shame!

Sometimes you just have to cut the cancers out.

More than half the team left... They were not cut.. Half of the team that was touted the best in the country was a cancer. That mentalitity would secure even more kids leaving

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow... Half of the Crabs 2023 team just went elsewhere. What the [lacrosse] happened there? What a shame!

Sometimes you just have to cut the cancers out.

Sounds like the players were not the problem. Half the team?Maybe a gut check for the coaches and the club may be in order

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow... Half of the Crabs 2023 team just went elsewhere. What the [lacrosse] happened there? What a shame!

Sometimes you just have to cut the cancers out.

Sounds like the players were not the problem. Half the team?Maybe a gut check for the coaches and the club may be in order

I find that hard to believe. That was a great team. Where would they go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they cant play in denver in july because of the hold backs---

Nobody from Maryland, DC, or Philly plays in Devner.

It is just the Long Island championship and they even have to cut kids from the team for the week to do so - causing a lot of team turmoil.

I can't understand why a tournament with such weak competition gets so much publicity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they cant play in denver in july because of the hold backs---

Nobody from Maryland, DC, or Philly plays in Devner.

It is just the Long Island championship and they even have to cut kids from the team for the week to do so - causing a lot of team turmoil.

I can't understand why a tournament with such weak competition gets so much publicity.

It's hard to understand things when you know nothing about it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they cant play in denver in july because of the hold backs---

Nobody from Maryland, DC, or Philly plays in Devner.

It is just the Long Island championship and they even have to cut kids from the team for the week to do so - causing a lot of team turmoil.

I can't understand why a tournament with such weak competition gets so much publicity.

Many of us think just the opposite. How can grade based tournaments with select kids allowed to be older than the majority of other kids get any publicity. When did slanting the results due to an advantage others dont get merit anything??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow... Half of the Crabs 2023 team just went elsewhere. What the [lacrosse] happened there? What a shame!

Sometimes you just have to cut the cancers out.

More than half the team left... They were not cut.. Half of the team that was touted the best in the country was a cancer. That mentalitity would secure even more kids leaving

I'm not sure you could claim they were the best in the country - they got smoked by the Hawks at the end of the year.

Ironically this team will have an incredible coaching staff next year, far better than any other 2023 team around. Any that may be leaving are making a huge mistake.

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they cant play in denver in july because of the hold backs---

Nobody from Maryland, DC, or Philly plays in Devner.

It is just the Long Island championship and they even have to cut kids from the team for the week to do so - causing a lot of team turmoil.

I can't understand why a tournament with such weak competition gets so much publicity.

Weak Competition?? Please Long Island OWNS you sorry arse Lax jokers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow... Half of the Crabs 2023 team just went elsewhere. What the [lacrosse] happened there? What a shame!

Sometimes you just have to cut the cancers out.

Sounds like the players were not the problem. Half the team?Maybe a gut check for the coaches and the club may be in order

I find that hard to believe. That was a great team. Where would they go?

They reclassified to the Crabs 2024 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow... Half of the Crabs 2023 team just went elsewhere. What the [lacrosse] happened there? What a shame!

Sometimes you just have to cut the cancers out.

More than half the team left... They were not cut.. Half of the team that was touted the best in the country was a cancer. That mentalitity would secure even more kids leaving

I'm not sure you could claim they were the best in the country - they got smoked by the Hawks at the end of the year.

Ironically this team will have an incredible coaching staff next year, far better than any other 2023 team around. Any that may be leaving are making a huge mistake.

Incredible coaching staff? Their head coach's prior head coaching experience is limited to the Boys' Latin 7th grade team last year. Can't imagine why anyone would leave with such credentials.

If you really believe that Rubeor and Witty are going to be heavily involved I have some swampland to sell you. More BS by RM.

[quote=Anonymous]3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.

So does this mean 1st round FCA invites went out? I have a younger son who tried out for them. I didn't think he would make it and wants to stay with his current team, but I still wanted him to wait to hear. I'd rather he play and still have fun instead of just being used for practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

4 went to Looneys.... The whole staff was a problem

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they cant play in denver in july because of the hold backs---

Nobody from Maryland, DC, or Philly plays in Devner.

It is just the Long Island championship and they even have to cut kids from the team for the week to do so - causing a lot of team turmoil.

I can't understand why a tournament with such weak competition gets so much publicity.

Weak Competition?? Please Long Island OWNS you sorry arse Lax jokers

Admit it - other than the LI teams, wsyl competition is a joke. LI Laxfest is just as good competition wise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they cant play in denver in july because of the hold backs---

Nobody from Maryland, DC, or Philly plays in Devner.

It is just the Long Island championship and they even have to cut kids from the team for the week to do so - causing a lot of team turmoil.

I can't understand why a tournament with such weak competition gets so much publicity.

It's hard to understand things when you know nothing about it

I can see the teams at wsyl and compare the to teams at Nlf Summer Series and Millon 2022 championship and see that the teams at wsyl are much worse overall. What am I missing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are trickling in on the Crabs site. 2022 has a 21 Club Blue Hold back and also a 22 B team FCA kid signed up.

Crabs adding kids from FCA's B team now? Sounds about right.

A kid who played for his entire teenage lacrosse career on FCA's 2018 "B Team" committed to Johns Hopkins and another just committed to UNC. I'm sure there are more that I don't know about. Cool thing was, they committed as rising seniors instead of being asked to make a life long decision about college at 14 years old. Kids hung in there, developed their game, worked hard, stood out and are now moving on to great schools that have high-powered lacrosse programs. Guess sometimes it pays to not buy into the hype about "AAA" teams and 13 year old college commits.

Good luck. You've got a long way to go. The ride should be enjoyable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rosters are trickling in on the Crabs site. 2022 has a 21 Club Blue Hold back and also a 22 B team FCA kid signed up.

Crabs adding kids from FCA's B team now? Sounds about right.

A kid who played for his entire teenage lacrosse career on FCA's 2018 "B Team" committed to Johns Hopkins and another just committed to UNC. I'm sure there are more that I don't know about. Cool thing was, they committed as rising seniors instead of being asked to make a life long decision about college at 14 years old. Kids hung in there, developed their game, worked hard, stood out and are now moving on to great schools that have high-powered lacrosse programs. Guess sometimes it pays to not buy into the hype about "AAA" teams and 13 year old college commits.

Good luck. You've got a long way to go. The ride should be enjoyable.

Great! Excellent examples of kids working hard to achieve their goals no matter what label someone put on them.

"A kid who played for his entire teenage lacrosse career on FCA's 2018 "B Team" committed to Johns Hopkins and another just committed to UNC."

FCA folded their 2018 B/White team last year, so he couldn't have played for them his whole teenage lacrosse career. Some of the boys on 2018 White made the 2018 Blue team, but others had to find a new club as they entered their junior year. But either way, congrats to him and the UNC commit. It's great to hear real life examples that the hype of how many A's your team has doesn't always matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

4 went to Looneys.... The whole staff was a problem

.... also 1 went to FCA......Crabs management/coaching blew up their own program.

Those kids won many of their games in spite of the circus on the sidelines. "Flat brim" made decisions detrimental to the team just to protect his kid. Head coach had some communication issues.

Then the tryouts, that BM promised would be "blind", were pretty much determined before the tryouts started. And they involved last year's coaches who injected their biases to their evaluations. Whole thing handled poorly and unprofessionally. So badly, in fact, that an apology e-mail had to be sent out.

Most of the kids who did not return - the majority of the team - had already decided at the end of last season that they would not return. On a positive note, the diluted talent to those local teams will make for some fun, competitive games this season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow... Half of the Crabs 2023 team just went elsewhere. What the [lacrosse] happened there? What a shame!

Sometimes you just have to cut the cancers out.

Sounds like the players were not the problem. Half the team?Maybe a gut check for the coaches and the club may be in order

yes. this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

4 went to Looneys.... The whole staff was a problem

.... also 1 went to FCA......Crabs management/coaching blew up their own program.

Those kids won many of their games in spite of the circus on the sidelines. "Flat brim" made decisions detrimental to the team just to protect his kid. Head coach had some communication issues.

Then the tryouts, that BM promised would be "blind", were pretty much determined before the tryouts started. And they involved last year's coaches who injected their biases to their evaluations. Whole thing handled poorly and unprofessionally. So badly, in fact, that an apology e-mail had to be sent out.

Most of the kids who did not return - the majority of the team - had already decided at the end of last season that they would not return. On a positive note, the diluted talent to those local teams will make for some fun, competitive games this season!

The one who is going to FCA is on his 4th team in 4 years. His Dad is a problem on the sidelines and was asked to leave. This one in particular had nothing to do with Flat Brim.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

4 went to Looneys.... The whole staff was a problem

.... also 1 went to FCA......Crabs management/coaching blew up their own program.

Those kids won many of their games in spite of the circus on the sidelines. "Flat brim" made decisions detrimental to the team just to protect his kid. Head coach had some communication issues.

Then the tryouts, that BM promised would be "blind", were pretty much determined before the tryouts started. And they involved last year's coaches who injected their biases to their evaluations. Whole thing handled poorly and unprofessionally. So badly, in fact, that an apology e-mail had to be sent out.

Most of the kids who did not return - the majority of the team - had already decided at the end of last season that they would not return. On a positive note, the diluted talent to those local teams will make for some fun, competitive games this season!

The one who is going to FCA is on his 4th team in 4 years. His Dad is a problem on the sidelines and was asked to leave. This one in particular had nothing to do with Flat Brim.

Yeah, can't deny this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

4 went to Looneys.... The whole staff was a problem

.... also 1 went to FCA......Crabs management/coaching blew up their own program.

Those kids won many of their games in spite of the circus on the sidelines. "Flat brim" made decisions detrimental to the team just to protect his kid. Head coach had some communication issues.

Then the tryouts, that BM promised would be "blind", were pretty much determined before the tryouts started. And they involved last year's coaches who injected their biases to their evaluations. Whole thing handled poorly and unprofessionally. So badly, in fact, that an apology e-mail had to be sent out.

Most of the kids who did not return - the majority of the team - had already decided at the end of last season that they would not return. On a positive note, the diluted talent to those local teams will make for some fun, competitive games this season!

The one who is going to FCA is on his 4th team in 4 years. His Dad is a problem on the sidelines and was asked to leave. This one in particular had nothing to do with Flat Brim.

Yeah, can't deny this.

No way Kelly will put up with this if in fact true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

4 went to Looneys.... The whole staff was a problem

.... also 1 went to FCA......Crabs management/coaching blew up their own program.

Those kids won many of their games in spite of the circus on the sidelines. "Flat brim" made decisions detrimental to the team just to protect his kid. Head coach had some communication issues.

Then the tryouts, that BM promised would be "blind", were pretty much determined before the tryouts started. And they involved last year's coaches who injected their biases to their evaluations. Whole thing handled poorly and unprofessionally. So badly, in fact, that an apology e-mail had to be sent out.

Most of the kids who did not return - the majority of the team - had already decided at the end of last season that they would not return. On a positive note, the diluted talent to those local teams will make for some fun, competitive games this season!

The one who is going to FCA is on his 4th team in 4 years. His Dad is a problem on the sidelines and was asked to leave. This one in particular had nothing to do with Flat Brim.

Yeah, can't deny this.

No way Kelly will put up with this if in fact true.

100% true. Will be fun to see how Kelly deals with it.

So half the 2022 and 2023 team left. Seems like there were a lot of yellow helmets at other club's 2024 tryouts as well.

What has happened to Crabs? Is it as simple as it's not worth the BS that comes with playing for that club with so many other good options out there now?

How long before RM pulls a Coach K and suddenly develops back problems which keep him from coaching the 22's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

4 went to Looneys.... The whole staff was a problem

.... also 1 went to FCA......Crabs management/coaching blew up their own program.

Those kids won many of their games in spite of the circus on the sidelines. "Flat brim" made decisions detrimental to the team just to protect his kid. Head coach had some communication issues.

Then the tryouts, that BM promised would be "blind", were pretty much determined before the tryouts started. And they involved last year's coaches who injected their biases to their evaluations. Whole thing handled poorly and unprofessionally. So badly, in fact, that an apology e-mail had to be sent out.

Most of the kids who did not return - the majority of the team - had already decided at the end of last season that they would not return. On a positive note, the diluted talent to those local teams will make for some fun, competitive games this season!

Doesn't matter much... there are plenty of 13 and 14 year old kids to fill his 2023 roster. Total joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

4 went to Looneys.... The whole staff was a problem

.... also 1 went to FCA......Crabs management/coaching blew up their own program.

Those kids won many of their games in spite of the circus on the sidelines. "Flat brim" made decisions detrimental to the team just to protect his kid. Head coach had some communication issues.

Then the tryouts, that BM promised would be "blind", were pretty much determined before the tryouts started. And they involved last year's coaches who injected their biases to their evaluations. Whole thing handled poorly and unprofessionally. So badly, in fact, that an apology e-mail had to be sent out.

Most of the kids who did not return - the majority of the team - had already decided at the end of last season that they would not return. On a positive note, the diluted talent to those local teams will make for some fun, competitive games this season!

The one who is going to FCA is on his 4th team in 4 years. His Dad is a problem on the sidelines and was asked to leave. This one in particular had nothing to do with Flat Brim.

Is the kid you are talking about a goalie?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 went to looneys... (3) to 91... (3) FVC.. (2) club blue.
We all know what the problem is. "Flat brim"

4 went to Looneys.... The whole staff was a problem

.... also 1 went to FCA......Crabs management/coaching blew up their own program.

Those kids won many of their games in spite of the circus on the sidelines. "Flat brim" made decisions detrimental to the team just to protect his kid. Head coach had some communication issues.

Then the tryouts, that BM promised would be "blind", were pretty much determined before the tryouts started. And they involved last year's coaches who injected their biases to their evaluations. Whole thing handled poorly and unprofessionally. So badly, in fact, that an apology e-mail had to be sent out.

Most of the kids who did not return - the majority of the team - had already decided at the end of last season that they would not return. On a positive note, the diluted talent to those local teams will make for some fun, competitive games this season!

The one who is going to FCA is on his 4th team in 4 years. His Dad is a problem on the sidelines and was asked to leave. This one in particular had nothing to do with Flat Brim.

Is the kid you are talking about a goalie?

Attackman. And to be clear... the kid is very nice and he is a decent player. Dad is the problem.

Oh [lacrosse]... did any of you meathead dads/moms hear what happen in Barcelona. Let's move on and get over this [lacrosse]. Their are more important things in the world... great year last year and good luck to the kids next year.

Ps my first post

Ha, using the words "detrimental" in 6th grade lacrosse is laughable! Sounds like you need some help! Seriously, go get some help!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh [lacrosse]... did any of you meathead dads/moms hear what happen in Barcelona. Let's move on and get over this [lacrosse]. Their are more important things in the world... great year last year and good luck to the kids next year.

Ps my first post

Why are we talking about soccer on a lacrosse forum

DC Express, FCA, Hawks, Dukes are all better options now for the kids... those programs are more fun and Crabs is just an angry and bitter brand. People are sick of that mob mentality at crabs- we are. Kids like to play other sports in winter and fall and play with different friends. Crabs is going to need to loosen the reigns and change to remain relevant. I hope they do. The other NLF teams all are sick of them too. Just ask. Since most teams in Baltimore have older kids now, the crabs can't win that way. NY teams still kick their butts with younger kids. Its a family-world out there now and crabs tyranny isn't welcomed. Im sorry they get bashed on here on so much because they could be better if they lead the sport rather than work to tear others down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express, FCA, Hawks, Dukes are all better options now for the kids... those programs are more fun and Crabs is just an angry and bitter brand. People are sick of that mob mentality at crabs- we are. Kids like to play other sports in winter and fall and play with different friends. Crabs is going to need to loosen the reigns and change to remain relevant. I hope they do. The other NLF teams all are sick of them too. Just ask. Since most teams in Baltimore have older kids now, the crabs can't win that way. NY teams still kick their butts with younger kids. Its a family-world out there now and crabs tyranny isn't welcomed. Im sorry they get bashed on here on so much because they could be better if they lead the sport rather than work to tear others down.

If having "fun with friends" and popping in and out at will for other obligations is your priority, that is what rec ball is for.

I have no affiliation with the Crab's, but my son was on a club who had parents that felt the same way as you. It left the team high and dry on many occasions.

I have no problem with kids wanting to play with friends, do other sports, skip practice here or there to ride their bikes and do other activities. But again, that is a rec ball type mentality. At the Elite level of any sport, not just Lacrosse. You're expected to dedicate yourself to that sport/club and give it priority.

The point is, there are no elite training programs for lacrosse in Maryland. The elite players work on their own and play for clubs that market them. Period. The clubs focus is to win games to get more kids to their program- not to train kids. Elite athletes at 14 in other sports have training systems. Lacrosse does not. But its your choice to believe the hype about clubs. Your kid may be elite, but he has you and himself to thank for that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express, FCA, Hawks, Dukes are all better options now for the kids... those programs are more fun and Crabs is just an angry and bitter brand. People are sick of that mob mentality at crabs- we are. Kids like to play other sports in winter and fall and play with different friends. Crabs is going to need to loosen the reigns and change to remain relevant. I hope they do. The other NLF teams all are sick of them too. Just ask. Since most teams in Baltimore have older kids now, the crabs can't win that way. NY teams still kick their butts with younger kids. Its a family-world out there now and crabs tyranny isn't welcomed. Im sorry they get bashed on here on so much because they could be better if they lead the sport rather than work to tear others down.

If having "fun with friends" and popping in and out at will for other obligations is your priority, that is what rec ball is for.

I have no affiliation with the Crab's, but my son was on a club who had parents that felt the same way as you. It left the team high and dry on many occasions.

I have no problem with kids wanting to play with friends, do other sports, skip practice here or there to ride their bikes and do other activities. But again, that is a rec ball type mentality. At the Elite level of any sport, not just Lacrosse. You're expected to dedicate yourself to that sport/club and give it priority.

I didnt realize that 2026 4th graders were considered at the elite level of sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express, FCA, Hawks, Dukes are all better options now for the kids... those programs are more fun and Crabs is just an angry and bitter brand. People are sick of that mob mentality at crabs- we are. Kids like to play other sports in winter and fall and play with different friends. Crabs is going to need to loosen the reigns and change to remain relevant. I hope they do. The other NLF teams all are sick of them too. Just ask. Since most teams in Baltimore have older kids now, the crabs can't win that way. NY teams still kick their butts with younger kids. Its a family-world out there now and crabs tyranny isn't welcomed. Im sorry they get bashed on here on so much because they could be better if they lead the sport rather than work to tear others down.

If having "fun with friends" and popping in and out at will for other obligations is your priority, that is what rec ball is for.

I have no affiliation with the Crab's, but my son was on a club who had parents that felt the same way as you. It left the team high and dry on many occasions.

I have no problem with kids wanting to play with friends, do other sports, skip practice here or there to ride their bikes and do other activities. But again, that is a rec ball type mentality. At the Elite level of any sport, not just Lacrosse. You're expected to dedicate yourself to that sport/club and give it priority.

I didnt realize that 2026 4th graders were considered at the elite level of sports.

If you're dumb enough to pay $2k for your 4th grader to play travel La-field-hockey that is on you.

Why not make your kid Elite in the class room and let him play for the club he has fun with? #wakeupamerica

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express, FCA, Hawks, Dukes are all better options now for the kids... those programs are more fun and Crabs is just an angry and bitter brand. People are sick of that mob mentality at crabs- we are. Kids like to play other sports in winter and fall and play with different friends. Crabs is going to need to loosen the reigns and change to remain relevant. I hope they do. The other NLF teams all are sick of them too. Just ask. Since most teams in Baltimore have older kids now, the crabs can't win that way. NY teams still kick their butts with younger kids. Its a family-world

out there now and crabs tyranny isn't welcomed. Im sorry they get bashed on here on so much because they could be better if they lead the sport rather than work to tear others down.

If having "fun with friends" and popping in and out at will for other obligations is your priority, that is what rec ball is for.

I have no affiliation with the Crab's, but my son was on a club who had parents that felt the same way as you. It left the team high and dry on many occasions.

I have no problem with kids wanting to play with friends, do other sports, skip practice here or there to ride their bikes and do other activities. But again, that is a rec ball type mentality. At the Elite level of any sport, not just Lacrosse. You're expected to dedicate yourself to that sport/club and give it priority.

I didnt realize that 2026 4th graders were considered at the elite level of sports.

If you're dumb enough to pay $2k for your 4th grader to play travel La-field-hockey that is on you.

Rec ball type mentality? It is called being a normal kid. Focus should be on letting the kids develop socially and physically and then have them make the decision if they are gonna dedicate themselves to the sport and put in the work. Not the parents deciding and pushing the kids to train so they can be on an "elite" level team. Your post is everything that is wrong with youth lacrosse. No one cares about what a kid did in the 7th grade Elite division in the HOCO club league. Most 7th and 8th grade kids are focused on their Middle school football and soccer teams right now. It is the parents who are obsessing about their kid's lacrosse future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is, there are no elite training programs for lacrosse in Maryland. The elite players work on their own and play for clubs that market them. Period. The clubs focus is to win games to get more kids to their program- not to train kids. Elite athletes at 14 in other sports have training systems. Lacrosse does not. But its your choice to believe the hype about clubs. Your kid may be elite, but he has you and himself to thank for that.

You have no idea what you are talking about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is, there are no elite training programs for lacrosse in Maryland. The elite players work on their own and play for clubs that market them. Period. The clubs focus is to win games to get more kids to their program- not to train kids. Elite athletes at 14 in other sports have training systems. Lacrosse does not. But its your choice to believe the hype about clubs. Your kid may be elite, but he has you and himself to thank for that.

You have no idea what you are talking about

You must be a club director to suggest that my kids and their parents aren't responsible for their development and skill. I am happy to pay their clubs to organize and coach them, but you sir/madam are but one very small part of their lives. Remember this, its the kids and their parents that make you successful.

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

1. Why are you scouring the internet searching for, and starting anonymous forum discussions about, a minor?
2. There are no age groups.
3. F off, loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

1. Why are you scouring the internet searching for, and starting anonymous forum discussions about, a minor?
2. There are no age groups.
3. F off, loser.

Too easy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Crabs 2022 is struggling. Kid is good enough to play up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

He is playing up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is, there are no elite training programs for lacrosse in Maryland. The elite players work on their own and play for clubs that market them. Period. The clubs focus is to win games to get more kids to their program- not to train kids. Elite athletes at 14 in other sports have training systems. Lacrosse does not. But its your choice to believe the hype about clubs. Your kid may be elite, but he has you and himself to thank for that.

You have no idea what you are talking about

You must be a club director to suggest that my kids and their parents aren't responsible for their development and skill. I am happy to pay their clubs to organize and coach them, but you sir/madam are but one very small part of their lives. Remember this, its the kids and their parents that make you successful.

I am not a club director and you still have no idea what you are talking about

Since recruiting doesn't happen until later I'm surprised more kids aren't trying to play up and get better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Relax... Save you the detective work Nancy Drew. He is playing at proper age now.. Will drop back to 2023 next year 8th grade and reclass the following year to be a 2024 and finally get to High School the following year. Pretty easy detective work if you follow the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is, there are no elite training programs for lacrosse in Maryland. The elite players work on their own and play for clubs that market them. Period. The clubs focus is to win games to get more kids to their program- not to train kids. Elite athletes at 14 in other sports have training systems. Lacrosse does not. But its your choice to believe the hype about clubs. Your kid may be elite, but he has you and himself to thank for that.

You have no idea what you are talking about

You must be a club director to suggest that my kids and their parents aren't responsible for their development and skill. I am happy to pay their clubs to organize and coach them, but you sir/madam are but one very small part of their lives. Remember this, its the kids and their parents that make you successful.

I am not a club director and you still have no idea what you are talking about

The above is one of the truest statements ever on these boards. The club does not make a player elite. Their athleticism, work ethic, outside skill development both on their own and with skilled coaches is what make the difference. There are plenty of elite kids on non elite teams that D1 coaches love because they have what it takes. Vice versa there are many bench sitters on the elite teams who will not get picked up by their first choices. First, because they never get on the field and second because they really don't have that special trait that makes them elite that a college coach can hone in on easily. The teams are elite because often elite kids can not handle being on anything but the best teams and surround themselves with other elite players but it is not the club's training. Perhaps the club has better college recruiting help, more connections etc. that draw more of the elite kids in but rarely is it the coaching or club that have made the kids elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Relax... Save you the detective work Nancy Drew. He is playing at proper age now.. Will drop back to 2023 next year 8th grade and reclass the following year to be a 2024 and finally get to High School the following year. Pretty easy detective work if you follow the Crabs.

You are a [lacrosse]*ckin idiot. Got it, a f' in IDIOT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Relax... Save you the detective work Nancy Drew. He is playing at proper age now.. Will drop back to 2023 next year 8th grade and reclass the following year to be a 2024 and finally get to High School the following year. Pretty easy detective work if you follow the Crabs.

You are a [lacrosse]*ckin idiot. Got it, a f' in IDIOT.

Easy there Ryan... I know the truth hurts. Good news is that it has got you some Championship photo ops!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Relax... Save you the detective work Nancy Drew. He is playing at proper age now.. Will drop back to 2023 next year 8th grade and reclass the following year to be a 2024 and finally get to High School the following year. Pretty easy detective work if you follow the Crabs.

You are a [lacrosse]*ckin idiot. Got it, a f' in IDIOT.

Easy there Ryan... I know the truth hurts. Good news is that it has got you some Championship photo ops!

Like stated above, a f' in idiot, plain and simple. Bet you read all the Nancy Drew books when you were younger or maybe you are reading them now. Idiot!

Can a real 23 Crabs parent tell the reason the team has been dismantled? Was it Flat Brim, was it the commute, was it middle school?????

Or was it the parents?

With the 2021 crabs moving out of hoco and 2023 crabs falling apart, could Looneys be the best Baltimore club in hoco this spring?

Baltimore clubs across the board aren't what they used to be. Bethesda and Annapolis clubs are taking over.

Fca

DC Express on the rise as best club in DMV.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the 2021 crabs moving out of hoco and 2023 crabs falling apart, could Looneys be the best Baltimore club in hoco this spring?

Baltimore clubs across the board aren't what they used to be. Bethesda and Annapolis clubs are taking over.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the 2021 crabs moving out of hoco and 2023 crabs falling apart, could Looneys be the best Baltimore club in hoco this spring?

Baltimore clubs across the board aren't what they used to be. Bethesda and Annapolis clubs are taking over.

I don't know, I think that is why they have games and play a season. Anything is possible. For example, you may become less idiotic this year. I guess we will have to wait and see on both counts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Relax... Save you the detective work Nancy Drew. He is playing at proper age now.. Will drop back to 2023 next year 8th grade and reclass the following year to be a 2024 and finally get to High School the following year. Pretty easy detective work if you follow the Crabs.

You are a [lacrosse]*ckin idiot. Got it, a f' in IDIOT.

Easy there Ryan... I know the truth hurts. Good news is that it has got you some Championship photo ops!

Like stated above, a f' in idiot, plain and simple. Bet you read all the Nancy Drew books when you were younger or maybe you are reading them now. Idiot!

I am reading one now..The Legend of the Fatman and the Mysterious Flatbrim ..

I love lacrosse... I love my team, I love my friends, I love my coaches, I love my friends.....I love to practice, I love to sweat, I love water, I love to eat....I love Tournaments, I love games, I love to win, I love to play...I love my new gear, I love my helmet, I love my jersey, I love my new stick, I love to string....I love my socks, I love my new cleats, I love my new shorts...I love fall ball...I love meeting new players....I love lacrosse.. I can't wait until my parents stop ruining it for me...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or was it the parents?

Parents are nuts, but to have an entire winning team fall apart that quickly makes one think there had to be something else. Unless of course all the kids that left are going to the same team.

There are more good players, more good coaches, more good clubs, and more holdbacks for everyone. The Crabs monopoly is over!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can a real 23 Crabs parent tell the reason the team has been dismantled? Was it Flat Brim, was it the commute, was it middle school?????

I think the crab parents have been pretty straightforward with their reasons for leaving, their opinions have of course been answered with name calling but if you read through it the reasons for leaving are laid out well. The other side has not done as well stating their case for staying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love lacrosse... I love my team, I love my friends, I love my coaches, I love my friends.....I love to practice, I love to sweat, I love water, I love to eat....I love Tournaments, I love games, I love to win, I love to play...I love my new gear, I love my helmet, I love my jersey, I love my new stick, I love to string....I love my socks, I love my new cleats, I love my new shorts...I love fall ball...I love meeting new players....I love lacrosse.. I can't wait until my parents stop ruining it for me...

You ok?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love lacrosse... I love my team, I love my friends, I love my coaches, I love my friends.....I love to practice, I love to sweat, I love water, I love to eat....I love Tournaments, I love games, I love to win, I love to play...I love my new gear, I love my helmet, I love my jersey, I love my new stick, I love to string....I love my socks, I love my new cleats, I love my new shorts...I love fall ball...I love meeting new players....I love lacrosse.. I can't wait until my parents stop ruining it for me...

You ok?

He is perfectly ok and spot on! Lacrosse parents are the absolute worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Relax... Save you the detective work Nancy Drew. He is playing at proper age now.. Will drop back to 2023 next year 8th grade and reclass the following year to be a 2024 and finally get to High School the following year. Pretty easy detective work if you follow the Crabs.

You are a [lacrosse]*ckin idiot. Got it, a f' in IDIOT.

Easy there Ryan... I know the truth hurts. Good news is that it has got you some Championship photo ops!

Like stated above, a f' in idiot, plain and simple. Bet you read all the Nancy Drew books when you were younger or maybe you are reading them now. Idiot!

I am reading one now..The Legend of the Fatman and the Mysterious Flatbrim ..

This sounds like a Hitchcock movie?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are more good players, more good coaches, more good clubs, and more holdbacks for everyone. The Crabs monopoly is over!

Well, all of the HS teams remain top 5 nationally, and this isn't the first year there's been an influx of options by any stretch. In building to HS, they always seem to figure it out, and between FCA and Crabs (and the one great Looney's 2020 team), there really aren't other local clubs that can tout that level of consistent success at the HS level. Hawks are at that level now as well. I would contain your excitement. When these teams finish committing the majority of the 2019's this year, and the 2020's and 2021's have another year of very high success, the best middle school kids are going to continue to matriculate to the top clubs. Sorry, but drama on a forum about some middle school changes and transfers just isn't going to change the course of nature. I hope some other teams/clubs do get to that level, but Crabs isn't a monopoly, just one of a couple really really consistently producing clubs around town, and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon! Have fun with the sport, my friend.

I had a friend who's son played with our son on a Lacrosse team. Same BS, he took his son and went to a very good club. Not only is he experiencing the same BS but the competition just isn't there. Yes, his son plays and they are in the same tournaments. He is very unhappy with his decision to leave. He knows he can't come back after he bashed the coaches and the club. Be careful what you ask for parents! I assure you the grass isn't greener....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are more good players, more good coaches, more good clubs, and more holdbacks for everyone. The Crabs monopoly is over!

Well, all of the HS teams remain top 5 nationally, and this isn't the first year there's been an influx of options by any stretch. In building to HS, they always seem to figure it out, and between FCA and Crabs (and the one great Looney's 2020 team), there really aren't other local clubs that can tout that level of consistent success at the HS level. Hawks are at that level now as well. I would contain your excitement. When these teams finish committing the majority of the 2019's this year, and the 2020's and 2021's have another year of very high success, the best middle school kids are going to continue to matriculate to the top clubs. Sorry, but drama on a forum about some middle school changes and transfers just isn't going to change the course of nature. I hope some other teams/clubs do get to that level, but Crabs isn't a monopoly, just one of a couple really really consistently producing clubs around town, and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon! Have fun with the sport, my friend.

Lots of good choices out there and yes the landscape has changed. Every age group has a different dynamic. High school and college coaches want you playing on a competitive team for your age group. Despite what they whisper in the AAU/Club owners ears, they want talent (as much as they can recruit), great character and most importantly a passion for the game. Try and make certain, your son's club has a good mix of seasoned coaches (that would include some younger guys who know the modern game inside and out) and a high character HC. Sometimes (like in life with your employer), your club will falter: give a year or two to correct itself (don't be capricious, crazy parent) but if the club is living on its past reputation and isn't correcting its misteps (or as is often the case said age group is written off or de-emphasized) move on and up. Its your money and time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Relax... Save you the detective work Nancy Drew. He is playing at proper age now.. Will drop back to 2023 next year 8th grade and reclass the following year to be a 2024 and finally get to High School the following year. Pretty easy detective work if you follow the Crabs.

You are a [lacrosse]*ckin idiot. Got it, a f' in IDIOT.

Easy there Ryan... I know the truth hurts. Good news is that it has got you some Championship photo ops!

Like stated above, a f' in idiot, plain and simple. Bet you read all the Nancy Drew books when you were younger or maybe you are reading them now. Idiot!

I am reading one now..The Legend of the Fatman and the Mysterious Flatbrim ..

That sounds like your autobiography or is it a non fictional novel about your wife?? One can never tell by the title.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can a real 23 Crabs parent tell the reason the team has been dismantled? Was it Flat Brim, was it the commute, was it middle school?????

I think the crab parents have been pretty straightforward with their reasons for leaving, their opinions have of course been answered with name calling but if you read through it the reasons for leaving are laid out well. The other side has not done as well stating their case for staying.

your not going to get an answer from a real 2023 parent on here... Call the parents and find out. Most of them do not post on here..I am a parent of a kid that left.. I am not OK with anything that goes on here... I would hope that we left on good terms and hold no ill feelings toward anyone on either side.. We had our reasons. None of which has been talked about on this forum and never will..

I hope I don't actually know any of you f'in losers. Nancy Drew, Hitchcock...wth....pathetic. Thanks for playing....bye!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Like stated above, a f' in idiot, plain and simple. Bet you read all the Nancy Drew books when you were younger or maybe you are reading them now. Idiot!

I am reading one now..The Legend of the Fatman and the Mysterious Flatbrim ..

This sounds like a Hitchcock movie?

More like a movie about two [lacrosse]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can a real 23 Crabs parent tell the reason the team has been dismantled? Was it Flat Brim, was it the commute, was it middle school?????

I think the crab parents have been pretty straightforward with their reasons for leaving, their opinions have of course been answered with name calling but if you read through it the reasons for leaving are laid out well. The other side has not done as well stating their case for staying.

You won't have anyone else offer an opinion. Club supporters not taking any accountability, just attacking people's character. Better off assuming all the parents are crazy, and move on.

So let me get this straight... you envy other people's clubs, other people's kids and now you're telling us you watch movies about [lacrosse]. F'in losers....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or was it the parents?

Parents are nuts, but to have an entire winning team fall apart that quickly makes one think there had to be something else. Unless of course all the kids that left are going to the same team.

I keep seeing this "winning team fall apart", what have they won? They have never won HoCo!!! So lets say they are a very good team, but I would not call them a "Winning Team"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or was it the parents?

Parents are nuts, but to have an entire winning team fall apart that quickly makes one think there had to be something else. Unless of course all the kids that left are going to the same team.

I keep seeing this "winning team fall apart", what have they won? They have never won HoCo!!! So lets say they are a very good team, but I would not call them a "Winning Team"

Didn't the win a big one in philly and a Nlf in ny?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Like stated above, a f' in idiot, plain and simple. Bet you read all the Nancy Drew books when you were younger or maybe you are reading them now. Idiot!

I am reading one now..The Legend of the Fatman and the Mysterious Flatbrim ..

This sounds like a Hitchcock movie?

More like a movie about two [lacrosse]

That your wife needs/wants on a daily basis while you are at work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a 2023 Crabs attackman is now rostered on the 2022 Crabs team. Is he playing up or decided not to reclassify and is back with his proper age group?

Like stated above, a f' in idiot, plain and simple. Bet you read all the Nancy Drew books when you were younger or maybe you are reading them now. Idiot!

I am reading one now..The Legend of the Fatman and the Mysterious Flatbrim ..

This sounds like a Hitchcock movie?

More like a movie about two [lacrosse]

That your wife needs/wants on a daily basis while you are at work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope I don't actually know any of you f'in losers. Nancy Drew, Hitchcock...wth....pathetic. Thanks for playing....bye!

Bye, please don't come back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or was it the parents?

Parents are nuts, but to have an entire winning team fall apart that quickly makes one think there had to be something else. Unless of course all the kids that left are going to the same team.

I keep seeing this "winning team fall apart", what have they won? They have never won HoCo!!! So lets say they are a very good team, but I would not call them a "Winning Team"

Didn't the win a big one in philly and a Nlf in ny?

I don't know if there is a tougher tournament than NLF.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope I don't actually know any of you f'in losers. Nancy Drew, Hitchcock...wth....pathetic. Thanks for playing....bye!

Before you go. I hope you have time to read my other Nancy Drew recommendation .. " The Vanishing Crabs on Lake Avenue " ..so much intrigue and mystery..You gotta read it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or was it the parents?

Parents are nuts, but to have an entire winning team fall apart that quickly makes one think there had to be something else. Unless of course all the kids that left are going to the same team.

I keep seeing this "winning team fall apart", what have they won? They have never won HoCo!!! So lets say they are a very good team, but I would not call them a "Winning Team"

Um, games. When you are over .500, you are a winning team. Such desperation to knock on the team, you whiffed that one completely. Yes, they are a very very very winning team. Yikes, adult much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope I don't actually know any of you f'in losers. Nancy Drew, Hitchcock...wth....pathetic. Thanks for playing....bye!

Before you go. I hope you have time to read my other Nancy Drew recommendation .. " The Vanishing Crabs on Lake Avenue " ..so much intrigue and mystery..You gotta read it!

It seems very obvious that your kid either never made a Crabs team after repeated attempts or did make it for one season and never invited back. You are very bitter and basically childish. Your actions/statements clearly point that out. Now, please, we all ask that you keep your promise and leave, just get the [lacrosse] out, you are really an immature idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope I don't actually know any of you f'in losers. Nancy Drew, Hitchcock...wth....pathetic. Thanks for playing....bye!

Before you go. I hope you have time to read my other Nancy Drew recommendation .. " The Vanishing Crabs on Lake Avenue " ..so much intrigue and mystery..You gotta read it!

It seems very obvious that your kid either never made a Crabs team after repeated attempts or did make it for one season and never invited back. You are very bitter and basically childish. Your actions/statements clearly point that out. Now, please, we all ask that you keep your promise and leave, just get the [lacrosse] out, you are really an immature idiot.

It seems obvious that Nancy Drew books must really get under your skin. Problems with English class after repeated attempts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope I don't actually know any of you f'in losers. Nancy Drew, Hitchcock...wth....pathetic. Thanks for playing....bye!

Before you go. I hope you have time to read my other Nancy Drew recommendation .. " The Vanishing Crabs on Lake Avenue " ..so much intrigue and mystery..You gotta read it!

It seems very obvious that your kid either never made a Crabs team after repeated attempts or did make it for one season and never invited back. You are very bitter and basically childish. Your actions/statements clearly point that out. Now, please, we all ask that you keep your promise and leave, just get the [lacrosse] out, you are really an immature idiot.

It seems obvious that Nancy Drew books must really get under your skin. Problems with English class after repeated attempts?

Could give a rats as* about Nancy Drew books. You seem to be the fan of this "girls" directed literature. Your sentence structure sucks and I would be careful making feeble attempts at criticizing another's English. Look in the mirror butthead, you will see a complete idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope I don't actually know any of you f'in losers. Nancy Drew, Hitchcock...wth....pathetic. Thanks for playing....bye!

Before you go. I hope you have time to read my other Nancy Drew recommendation .. " The Vanishing Crabs on Lake Avenue " ..so much intrigue and mystery..You gotta read it!

It seems very obvious that your kid either never made a Crabs team after repeated attempts or did make it for one season and never invited back. You are very bitter and basically childish. Your actions/statements clearly point that out. Now, please, we all ask that you keep your promise and leave, just get the [lacrosse] out, you are really an immature idiot.

It seems obvious that Nancy Drew books must really get under your skin. Problems with English class after repeated attempts?

Could give a rats as* about Nancy Drew books. You seem to be the fan of this "girls" directed literature. Your sentence structure sucks and I would be careful making feeble attempts at criticizing another's English. Look in the mirror butthead, you will see a complete idiot.

Sure you dont like Nancy Drew! I bet you just finished her latest book " The Mysterious Loudmouth and his Quest for Holdbacks " .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope I don't actually know any of you f'in losers. Nancy Drew, Hitchcock...wth....pathetic. Thanks for playing....bye!

Before you go. I hope you have time to read my other Nancy Drew recommendation .. " The Vanishing Crabs on Lake Avenue " ..so much intrigue and mystery..You gotta read it!

It seems very obvious that your kid either never made a Crabs team after repeated attempts or did make it for one season and never invited back. You are very bitter and basically childish. Your actions/statements clearly point that out. Now, please, we all ask that you keep your promise and leave, just get the [lacrosse] out, you are really an immature idiot.

It seems obvious that Nancy Drew books must really get under your skin. Problems with English class after repeated attempts?

Could give a rats as* about Nancy Drew books. You seem to be the fan of this "girls" directed literature. Your sentence structure sucks and I would be careful making feeble attempts at criticizing another's English. Look in the mirror butthead, you will see a complete idiot.

Sure you dont like Nancy Drew! I bet you just finished her latest book " The Mysterious Loudmouth and his Quest for Holdbacks " .

The argument you two have started is making this forum boring. Please stop this drivel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can a real 23 Crabs parent tell the reason the team has been dismantled? Was it Flat Brim, was it the commute, was it middle school?????

I think the crab parents have been pretty straightforward with their reasons for leaving, their opinions have of course been answered with name calling but if you read through it the reasons for leaving are laid out well. The other side has not done as well stating their case for staying.

You won't have anyone else offer an opinion. Club supporters not taking any accountability, just attacking people's character. Better off assuming all the parents are crazy, and move on.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can a real 23 Crabs parent tell the reason the team has been dismantled? Was it Flat Brim, was it the commute, was it middle school?????

I think the crab parents have been pretty straightforward with their reasons for leaving, their opinions have of course been answered with name calling but if you read through it the reasons for leaving are laid out well. The other side has not done as well stating their case for staying.

You won't have anyone else offer an opinion. Club supporters not taking any accountability, just attacking people's character. Better off assuming all the parents are crazy, and move on.

Agreed

If we say everyone that disagrees with you is crazy, will you just go away and stop boring us to death on this forum? If yes, this was us agreeing, we are all crazy, no need to reply. You win. Your logic is sound.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can a real 23 Crabs parent tell the reason the team has been dismantled? Was it Flat Brim, was it the commute, was it middle school?????

I think the crab parents have been pretty straightforward with their reasons for leaving, their opinions have of course been answered with name calling but if you read through it the reasons for leaving are laid out well. The other side has not done as well stating their case for staying.

You won't have anyone else offer an opinion. Club supporters not taking any accountability, just attacking people's character. Better off assuming all the parents are crazy, and move on.

Agreed

If we say everyone that disagrees with you is crazy, will you just go away and stop boring us to death on this forum? If yes, this was us agreeing, we are all crazy, no need to reply. You win. Your logic is sound.[/quote

No

Great club track record, visionary owner. More competition in today's market: FCA remains strong, Team 91 with a strong national brand and similar "recruting brand". Looney's also strong certain years. Conclusion: more dilution in Greater Baltimore Metro Region could not have been avoided.

Stronger DC and AA clubs have slowed the hemorrhaging of talent in those areas. With collegiate recruiting contact delayed to the fall of junior year, more time for the college coaches to analyze high school film (at least in the better leagues) before watching a kid during the summer. More player development (position specific and individual, indoor and outdoor) are required not a nice to have option.

Scheme: Fundamentals are primary in the lower and middle school years although 7th and 8th grade team should be teaching a top flight motion offense, not the old Hopkins version of the alley dodge. All top clubs need an influx of younger coaches to keep the schemes current but age specific. Rec coaching offensive sets that are 20 years old are passe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great club track record, visionary owner. More competition in today's market: FCA remains strong, Team 91 with a strong national brand and similar "recruting brand". Looney's also strong certain years. Conclusion: more dilution in Greater Baltimore Metro Region could not have been avoided.

Stronger DC and AA clubs have slowed the hemorrhaging of talent in those areas. With collegiate recruiting contact delayed to the fall of junior year, more time for the college coaches to analyze high school film (at least in the better leagues) before watching a kid during the summer. More player development (position specific and individual, indoor and outdoor) are required not a nice to have option.

Scheme: Fundamentals are primary in the lower and middle school years although 7th and 8th grade team should be teaching a top flight motion offense, not the old Hopkins version of the alley dodge. All top clubs need an influx of younger coaches to keep the schemes current but age specific. Rec coaching offensive sets that are 20 years old are passe.

What are the best MIAA schools running top flight motion offense??

300+ pages and 1,623,886 views and counting. Locally Grown and Nationally Known.....follow the leader son!!!......CRAB NATION!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

300+ pages and 1,623,886 views and counting. Locally Grown and Nationally Known.....follow the leader son!!!......CRAB NATION!!!!!!

Sadly 299 pages addressing "holdbacks" and 1 page discussing "double holdbacks". A refuse for hate, ridicule and frustration with "gaming the system". Locally grown? Hope it stays that way. I happen to like the notion. But with others importing from exotic far off lands such as "Texas" can Crabs be far behind?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

300+ pages and 1,623,886 views and counting. Locally Grown and Nationally Known.....follow the leader son!!!......CRAB NATION!!!!!!

Sadly 299 pages addressing "holdbacks" and 1 page discussing "double holdbacks". A refuse for hate, ridicule and frustration with "gaming the system". Locally grown? Hope it stays that way. I happen to like the notion. But with others importing from exotic far off lands such as "Texas" can Crabs be far behind?

There was one page about the Crabs of 5 years ago that actually went by age. Sadly those days are long gone and the Crabs are known by everyone in the lacrosse community as having tons of holdbacks . Go to any youth tournament they are in. Every opponent says the same thing. Those kids are heldback and huge. Pretty sad. And yes they do have some good teams, but without holdbacks they would be average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

300+ pages and 1,623,886 views and counting. Locally Grown and Nationally Known.....follow the leader son!!!......CRAB NATION!!!!!!

Sadly 299 pages addressing "holdbacks" and 1 page discussing "double holdbacks". A refuse for hate, ridicule and frustration with "gaming the system". Locally grown? Hope it stays that way. I happen to like the notion. But with others importing from exotic far off lands such as "Texas" can Crabs be far behind?

There was one page about the Crabs of 5 years ago that actually went by age. Sadly those days are long gone and the Crabs are known by everyone in the lacrosse community as having tons of holdbacks . Go to any youth tournament they are in. Every opponent says the same thing. Those kids are heldback and huge. Pretty sad. And yes they do have some good teams, but without holdbacks they would be average.

Why don't you go look at FCA, Hawks, 91, Looneys and you will see an equal amount if not more. FCA and Hawks are now the holdback leaders on most all of their teams, 2022 and older. FCA is #1 in holdbacks with Hawks not far behind. You need to get out more and look around and see for yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

300+ pages and 1,623,886 views and counting. Locally Grown and Nationally Known.....follow the leader son!!!......CRAB NATION!!!!!!

Sadly 299 pages addressing "holdbacks" and 1 page discussing "double holdbacks". A refuse for hate, ridicule and frustration with "gaming the system". Locally grown? Hope it stays that way. I happen to like the notion. But with others importing from exotic far off lands such as "Texas" can Crabs be far behind?

There was one page about the Crabs of 5 years ago that actually went by age. Sadly those days are long gone and the Crabs are known by everyone in the lacrosse community as having tons of holdbacks . Go to any youth tournament they are in. Every opponent says the same thing. Those kids are heldback and huge. Pretty sad. And yes they do have some good teams, but without holdbacks they would be average.

Why don't you go look at FCA, Hawks, 91, Looneys and you will see an equal amount if not more. FCA and Hawks are now the holdback leaders on most all of their teams, 2022 and older. FCA is #1 in holdbacks with Hawks not far behind. You need to get out more and look around and see for yourself.

Whats that saying.." you reap what you sow" Crabs were the original King of holdbacks/prefirsts. For sure others have followed and may have the same or more prefirsts on certain teams.. But the Crabs will always be the King!! .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

300+ pages and 1,623,886 views and counting. Locally Grown and Nationally Known.....follow the leader son!!!......CRAB NATION!!!!!!

Sadly 299 pages addressing "holdbacks" and 1 page discussing "double holdbacks". A refuse for hate, ridicule and frustration with "gaming the system". Locally grown? Hope it stays that way. I happen to like the notion. But with others importing from exotic far off lands such as "Texas" can Crabs be far behind?

There was one page about the Crabs of 5 years ago that actually went by age. Sadly those days are long gone and the Crabs are known by everyone in the lacrosse community as having tons of holdbacks . Go to any youth tournament they are in. Every opponent says the same thing. Those kids are heldback and huge. Pretty sad. And yes they do have some good teams, but without holdbacks they would be average.

Why don't you go look at FCA, Hawks, 91, Looneys and you will see an equal amount if not more. FCA and Hawks are now the holdback leaders on most all of their teams, 2022 and older. FCA is #1 in holdbacks with Hawks not far behind. You need to get out more and look around and see for yourself.

Whats that saying.." you reap what you sow" Crabs were the original King of holdbacks/prefirsts. For sure others have followed and may have the same or more prefirsts on certain teams.. But the Crabs will always be the King!! .

Says you the queen.

There all cheaters...hold backs take a spot from a kid thats doing it right. if your good play up never down.

It's grade based, Dad. You are an idiot. And why it was age-based, the kids were all grouped together in 18 month bands. Same thing as now, just more complaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's grade based, Dad. You are an idiot. And why it was age-based, the kids were all grouped together in 18 month bands. Same thing as now, just more complaining.

DING!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There all cheaters...hold backs take a spot from a kid thats doing it right. if your good play up never down.

A non-repeating 3rd grader would have knocked this sentence out of the park.
they are (or they're)
holdbacks or hold-backs if using as noun
you are (or you're)
take spots from kids that are doing it correctly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

300+ pages and 1,623,886 views and counting. Locally Grown and Nationally Known.....follow the leader son!!!......CRAB NATION!!!!!!

Sadly 299 pages addressing "holdbacks" and 1 page discussing "double holdbacks". A refuse for hate, ridicule and frustration with "gaming the system". Locally grown? Hope it stays that way. I happen to like the notion. But with others importing from exotic far off lands such as "Texas" can Crabs be far behind?

Crabs bringing kids in from out of state this year to help some of their struggling teams.

You can bash Crabs all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. This year's seniors have 19 players (3 of whom were rated 5-star players) committed to play lacrosse at the highest levels in academically rigorous universities. Recruiting is picking up apace for the juniors, of whom 2 are ranked 5-star players and 7 are verbally committed to great schools, with more to come. Simply put, playing for Crabs provides outstanding training and set my son up to be recruited by top D1 schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

300+ pages and 1,623,886 views and counting. Locally Grown and Nationally Known.....follow the leader son!!!......CRAB NATION!!!!!!

Sadly 299 pages addressing "holdbacks" and 1 page discussing "double holdbacks". A refuse for hate, ridicule and frustration with "gaming the system". Locally grown? Hope it stays that way. I happen to like the notion. But with others importing from exotic far off lands such as "Texas" can Crabs be far behind?

Crabs bringing kids in from out of state this year to help some of their struggling teams.

So what! Are you new to club lacrosse? This has been happening in club lacrosse from the very beginning .

Rated by Ty X who is on the Fat Crab's payroll. Let me guess your son is prefirst, reclassed, planning to do a PG year, etc. Right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rated by Ty X who is on the Fat Crab's payroll. Let me guess your son is prefirst, reclassed, planning to do a PG year, etc. Right?

No, I believe you just described the path you have outlined for your underachieving kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bash Crabs all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. This year's seniors have 19 players (3 of whom were rated 5-star players) committed to play lacrosse at the highest levels in academically rigorous universities. Recruiting is picking up apace for the juniors, of whom 2 are ranked 5-star players and 7 are verbally committed to great schools, with more to come. Simply put, playing for Crabs provides outstanding training and set my son up to be recruited by top D1 schools.

Please name the "academically rigorous universities"

Crabs and Maryland go hand in hand with constantly allowing older players to compete against younger players than they are. But remember everyone...It is within the rules. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bash Crabs all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. This year's seniors have 19 players (3 of whom were rated 5-star players) committed to play lacrosse at the highest levels in academically rigorous universities. Recruiting is picking up apace for the juniors, of whom 2 are ranked 5-star players and 7 are verbally committed to great schools, with more to come. Simply put, playing for Crabs provides outstanding training and set my son up to be recruited by top D1 schools.

Please name the "academically rigorous universities"

Its online on every lacrosse site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bash Crabs all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. This year's seniors have 19 players (3 of whom were rated 5-star players) committed to play lacrosse at the highest levels in academically rigorous universities. Recruiting is picking up apace for the juniors, of whom 2 are ranked 5-star players and 7 are verbally committed to great schools, with more to come. Simply put, playing for Crabs provides outstanding training and set my son up to be recruited by top D1 schools.

Please name the "academically rigorous universities"

It would be easier to list which ones not on the list.
Here they are:

If a parent is willing to reclass their kid one and two times to get in a university that has their athletes take paper classes the Crabs is the team to play for...oh wait thats FCA...

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

UNC - right. http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/index.html

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

Ummmm, Washington and Lee is a Div 3 school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

And prefirsts and reclassed are gonna play younger players!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

Ummmm, Washington and Lee is a Div 3 school.

Great school. What's your point? The thread said great schools in general; the author just mentioned his had gone D1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

And prefirsts and reclassed are gonna play younger players!

This is a youth lacrosse argument. So weak to bring up in HS or College discussion.

GET OVER IT... you're jealous because your son either:
1 - Didn't make Crabs or
2 - Didn't make the high school team he wanted
Instead of dealing in reality that maybe your son isn't as good as you think he is, you're blaming everyone else. By the time the boys reach high school the talent shows. This is why Freshman beat out seniors for playing time. They're more talented as a freshman than the senior. Has nothing to do with age or holding back; it's all about talent pure and simple.
Stop blaming everyone else and deal with reality, you're not doing your son any good by inflating flee expectations and blaming others. Take accountability and be honest with your son.
By the time they're in high school it's okay for them to realize some kids and better than others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GET OVER IT... you're jealous because your son either:
1 - Didn't make Crabs or
2 - Didn't make the high school team he wanted
Instead of dealing in reality that maybe your son isn't as good as you think he is, you're blaming everyone else. By the time the boys reach high school the talent shows. This is why Freshman beat out seniors for playing time. They're more talented as a freshman than the senior. Has nothing to do with age or holding back; it's all about talent pure and simple.
Stop blaming everyone else and deal with reality, you're not doing your son any good by inflating flee expectations and blaming others. Take accountability and be honest with your son.
By the time they're in high school it's okay for them to realize some kids and better than others.

Got it Ryan..You want holdbacks and prefirsts for your teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

And prefirsts and reclassed
are gonna play younger players!

This is a youth lacrosse argument. So weak to bring up in HS or College discussion.

Crabs and King Crab were early proponents of reclassing kids and getting the grade base prefirst league going. Just like Germany will never live down their past..Crabs will always be know as prefirts/reclass kings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

And prefirsts and reclassed
are gonna play younger players!

This is a youth lacrosse argument. So weak to bring up in HS or College discussion.

Crabs and King Crab were early proponents of reclassing kids and getting the grade base prefirst league going. Just like Germany will never live down their past..Crabs will always be know as prefirts/reclass kings.

Crab's started what? The Gait brothers were 20 year old college freshman and already married when they started at Cuse in 87. The list is never ending of things you can incessantly complain about in life....meanwhile, the rich get richer, Cuse is still a powerhouse and more Crab's athletes commit to top D1 programs. What has your ignorant finger wagging gotten your kid.....yet another excuse to add to his pile of mediocrity?

Life is tough and it's not fair. Lead, follow or get the [lacrosse] out of the way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

And prefirsts and reclassed
are gonna play younger players!

This is a youth lacrosse argument. So weak to bring up in HS or College discussion.

Crabs and King Crab were early proponents of reclassing kids and getting the grade base prefirst league going. Just like Germany will never live down their past..Crabs will always be know as prefirts/reclass kings.

Crab's started what? The Gait brothers were 20 year old college freshman and already married when they started at Cuse in 87. The list is never ending of things you can incessantly complain about in life....meanwhile, the rich get richer, Cuse is still a powerhouse and more Crab's athletes commit to top D1 programs. What has your ignorant finger wagging gotten your kid.....yet another excuse to add to his pile of mediocrity?

Life is tough and it's not fair. Lead, follow or get the [lacrosse] out of the way.

Ok YOUTH lacrosse apologist for letting older children play against younger children. Yea those darn pesky 4th graders should lead, follow or quit complaining !

Your strawman about the college Gaits is hilarious.

How about Crabs, FCA, 91, etc. join NXT in following US Lacrosse youth age based classification? Nah - why mess with gravy train?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Crabs, FCA, 91, etc. join NXT in following US Lacrosse youth age based classification? Nah - why mess with gravy train?

I guess the research conducted out of leased space at JHU for decades was inconclusive. The data on 9 year olds playing against 9 year olds became more clear as they were fundraising for the 50 million dollar field of dreams in Sparks, near the CEO's house. Amazing timing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

And prefirsts and reclassed
are gonna play younger players!

This is a youth lacrosse argument. So weak to bring up in HS or College discussion.

Crabs and King Crab were early proponents of reclassing kids and getting the grade base prefirst league going. Just like Germany will never live down their past..Crabs will always be know as prefirts/reclass kings.

Crab's started what? The Gait brothers were 20 year old college freshman and already married when they started at Cuse in 87. The list is never ending of things you can incessantly complain about in life....meanwhile, the rich get richer, Cuse is still a powerhouse and more Crab's athletes commit to top D1 programs. What has your ignorant finger wagging gotten your kid.....yet another excuse to add to his pile of mediocrity?

Life is tough and it's not fair. Lead, follow or get the [lacrosse] out of the way.

Ok YOUTH lacrosse apologist for letting older children play against younger children. Yea those darn pesky 4th graders should lead, follow or quit complaining !

Your strawman about the college Gaits is hilarious.

I don't know about all of the cliches, but at the end of the day, if you are worried about a one year age spread, you're probably more suited for rec., even though they have age spreads too, it will perhaps give your kid that chance to seem like the best one out there, or maybe not, and you can start complaining about the A's, B's, and C's. Have fun with it, but don't plan on taking it to seriously. If he ends up being really really good, you'll end up in the competitive club format for real one day, and will no longer be a holdback complainer, and will probably be a die hard Crab-er. We'll see you later, or maybe we won't.

Crab's started what? The Gait brothers were 20 year old college freshman and already married when they started at Cuse in 87. The list is never ending of things you can incessantly complain about in life....meanwhile, the rich get richer, Cuse is still a powerhouse and more Crab's athletes commit to top D1 programs. What has your ignorant finger wagging gotten your kid.....yet another excuse to add to his pile of mediocrity?

Life is tough and it's not fair. Lead, follow or get the [lacrosse] out of the way.[/quote]

Paul and Gary were not 20 and neither one was married when they enrolled at Syracuse in 1986. Idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

Ummmm, Washington and Lee is a Div 3 school.

Great school. What's your point? The thread said great schools in general; the author just mentioned his had gone D1.

No, the original post said top D1 schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

Ummmm, Washington and Lee is a Div 3 school.

Great school. What's your point? The thread said great schools in general; the author just mentioned his had gone D1.

No, the original post said top D1 schools.

Nope. You are just reading the sentence that you want to read. Use your reading comprehension skills for the whole paragraph, not just the last sentence.

No, as stated by someone else, you need to reread my original post--my son is going D1. The point is that playing for Crabs gets results, as our players are committed to play college lacrosse at excellent schools, whether they are D1 (which they predominately are) or D3. Check it out: https://crabslax.com/AlumniCrabs.aspx

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Harvard, Yale, Brown, Penn, Duke, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Hopkins, Naval Academy, Washington & Lee, the list goes on and on. (Haters gonna hate.)

And prefirsts and reclassed
are gonna play younger players!

This is a youth lacrosse argument. So weak to bring up in HS or College discussion.

Crabs and King Crab were early proponents of reclassing kids and getting the grade base prefirst league going. Just like Germany will never live down their past..Crabs will always be know as prefirts/reclass kings.

Crab's started what? The Gait brothers were 20 year old college freshman and already married when they started at Cuse in 87. The list is never ending of things you can incessantly complain about in life....meanwhile, the rich get richer, Cuse is still a powerhouse and more Crab's athletes commit to top D1 programs. What has your ignorant finger wagging gotten your kid.....yet another excuse to add to his pile of mediocrity?

Life is tough and it's not fair. Lead, follow or get the [lacrosse] out of the way.

Ok YOUTH lacrosse apologist for letting older children play against younger children. Yea those darn pesky 4th graders should lead, follow or quit complaining !

Your strawman about the college Gaits is hilarious.

I don't know about all of the cliches, but at the end of the day, if you are worried about a one year age spread, you're probably more suited for rec., even though they have age spreads too, it will perhaps give your kid that chance to seem like the best one out there, or maybe not, and you can start complaining about the A's, B's, and C's. Have fun with it, but don't plan on taking it to seriously. If he ends up being really really good, you'll end up in the competitive club format for real one day, and will no longer be a holdback complainer, and will probably be a die hard Crab-er. We'll see you later, or maybe we won't.

The ones worried about a one year spread are you prefirst/reclass apologists. You cant have your son compete against the same age children in Youth lacrosse. Do you even think thru your apologist excuses,

Whats next..That it makes us complainers children stronger going against older children. LOL..Heard that one too. Yet you apologists cant even have your child play against children their own age.

Crabs until the club explosion a few years ago had two youth teams ..U13AA and U15AA . Great teams and on age. It was a VERY rare day that a first year U13 ( technically a U12) or First year U15 ( technically a U14) made either of these AA team. It was almost always the second year kids of U13,U15. Yet you new to the Crabs parents want to tell us that it makes no difference having an advantage of a year.
Now tell me again why you apologist parents children get an advantage the rest of us dont??

The ship has sailed! You are beating a dead horse. GET OVER IT! College coaches want to know when players are available to them and grade based teams provide the answer. All of the whining and complaining on this thread is not going to change this reality. When your child reaches high school, maybe you will give it a rest and move on.

Spoken like a true cheating Holdback parent... Loser. I'm sure you held them back because of the academic challenges the simpleton was having in school, or was it they socially couldn't handle it so they had to stay back, or was it your boy just couldn't keep up competitively on the field and play with his peers (Yeah, that sounds about right). Don't worry son you are GREAT just as long as you are playing with the little kids, and mommy and daddy will make sure of it. That's right that's real life. "If you can't compete just repeat." And Again, And Again. You'll get it son.

I don't know about all of the cliches, but at the end of the day, if you are worried about a one year age spread, you're probably more suited for rec., even though they have age spreads too, it will perhaps give your kid that chance to seem like the best one out there, or maybe not, and you can start complaining about the A's, B's, and C's. Have fun with it, but don't plan on taking it to seriously. If he ends up being really really good, you'll end up in the competitive club format for real one day, and will no longer be a holdback complainer, and will probably be a die hard Crab-er. We'll see you later, or maybe we won't.
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The ones worried about a one year spread are you prefirst/reclass apologists. You cant have your son compete against the same age children in Youth lacrosse. Do you even think thru your apologist excuses,

Whats next..That it makes us complainers children stronger going against older children. LOL..Heard that one too. Yet you apologists cant even have your child play against children their own age.

Crabs until the club explosion a few years ago had two youth teams ..U13AA and U15AA . Great teams and on age. It was a VERY rare day that a first year U13 ( technically a U12) or First year U15 ( technically a U14) made either of these AA team. It was almost always the second year kids of U13,U15. Yet you new to the Crabs parents want to tell us that it makes no difference having an advantage of a year.
Now tell me again why you apologist parents children get an advantage the rest of us dont?? [/quote]

Couldn't it possibly be that you just don't like that club, and this is the talking point (the big bad holdbacks) that seems to stick with your base, at least on an anonymous forum? If you are going to make an argument that these kids are taking advantage during youth ball, because they don't want to play against kids their own age, you should probably pick a club that doesn't commit the entire squad to College ball every year. I mean, doesn't your theory essentially dissolve once they hit High School and keep achieving? Holdback or not, you have to play kids 2-3 years older in HS and College at some point. What is it that you are seeing, but HS coaches and College recruiters are missing? It can't just be your disdain for the club that they are missing, because that wouldn't fit your agenda. They must all be holdback sympathizers, and the entire NCAA lax circuit is really led by a nefarious lax overlord, bent on beating up little kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spoken like a true cheating Holdback parent... Loser. I'm sure you held them back because of the academic challenges the simpleton was having in school, or was it they socially couldn't handle it so they had to stay back, or was it your boy just couldn't keep up competitively on the field and play with his peers (Yeah, that sounds about right). Don't worry son you are GREAT just as long as you are playing with the little kids, and mommy and daddy will make sure of it. That's right that's real life. "If you can't compete just repeat." And Again, And Again. You'll get it son.

He is as dumb as a bag of bricks, I'll give you that, but he's our boy, and we love him. We are hoping he can sandbag his homework just enough to pass, but get approved for another year back. But on the field, he'll take all comers. His Mom and I do get a kick out of him stomping the crap out of those little snot pickers like flies on a windshield up and down the field every weekend, though. Life has it's little pleasures every once in a while.

Couldn't it possibly be that you just don't like that club, and this is the talking point (the big bad holdbacks) that seems to stick with your base, at least on an anonymous forum? If you are going to make an argument that these kids are taking advantage during youth ball, because they don't want to play against kids their own age, you should probably pick a club that doesn't commit the entire squad to College ball every year. I mean, doesn't your theory essentially dissolve once they hit High School and keep achieving? Holdback or not, you have to play kids 2-3 years older in HS and College at some point. What is it that you are seeing, but HS coaches and College recruiters are missing? It can't just be your disdain for the club that they are missing, because that wouldn't fit your agenda. They must all be holdback sympathizers, and the entire NCAA lax circuit is really led by a nefarious lax overlord, bent on beating up little kids.
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SPOT ON! Well said. The poster obviously has true animus for Crabs and this is the only avenue of attack he can muster. As stated previously, if you would like for your son to receive outstanding training and to be positioned to play at a great college, Crabs is second to none in Maryland.

Funny how Crabs gets all this hate because they are the most successful one out there. Clubs like Madlax have more holdbacks than Crabs, but don't get the hate because they aren't as successful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ship has sailed! You are beating a dead horse. GET OVER IT! College coaches want to know when players are available to them and grade based teams provide the answer. All of the whining and complaining on this thread is not going to change this reality. When your child reaches high school, maybe you will give it a rest and move on.

Now it is the college coaches excuse. That actually had some validity when Colleges were recruiting 9th graders. Those days are over. First day of 11th grade is the official recruiting day to make an offer. Of course most colleges will be watching 10th graders and some 9th graders.
There are ZERO college coaches attending 8th grade events now. ZERO unless their son or friend is playing. Which means to you Youth lacrosse apologists ......You apologists need to come up with another excuse.

Once again..You apologists always try to bring in High School and College lacrosse when talking about this youth issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couldn't it possibly be that you just don't like that club, and this is the talking point (the big bad holdbacks) that seems to stick with your base, at least on an anonymous forum? If you are going to make an argument that these kids are taking advantage during youth ball, because they don't want to play against kids their own age, you should probably pick a club that doesn't commit the entire squad to College ball every year. I mean, doesn't your theory essentially dissolve once they hit High School and keep achieving? Holdback or not, you have to play kids 2-3 years older in HS and College at some point. What is it that you are seeing, but HS coaches and College recruiters are missing? It can't just be your disdain for the club that they are missing, because that wouldn't fit your agenda. They must all be holdback sympathizers, and the entire NCAA lax circuit is really led by a nefarious lax overlord, bent on beating up little kids.

SPOT ON! Well said. The poster obviously has true animus for Crabs and this is the only avenue of attack he can muster. As stated previously, if you would like for your son to receive outstanding training and to be positioned to play at a great college, Crabs is second to none in Maryland.[/quote]

So you are ok with certain children 8th grade and less having an advantage in youth while others dont get it?? And your reasoning is that in High School, all will even out due to going against 2-3 years older players ?

So why do we need to give certain children an advantage then in youth?? Since they will be on a grade based HS team and go to college anyway ?? LOL.. Hilarious! Do any of you have any reasoning that is actually thought out and makes sense. The reason you dont is that there are not any valid reasons. If there were all youth sports would be grade base and let select kids play down.

These constant excuses are just a way for you to justify letting select children get an advantage others dont at a youth level.
And your lame I dont like the Crabs is just that. Lame. I think lacrosse is becoming something it shouldnt be with grade base and no age limit in youth. My son played on the Crabs years ago when they were age. On the youth level he got cut three years and made it last year. Very little said by me or anyone at the tryouts that was cut. It seemed fair . If he would have been a year older than most of others he would have easily made the team every year.

No other sport uses grade classification. None.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couldn't it possibly be that you just don't like that club, and this is the talking point (the big bad holdbacks) that seems to stick with your base, at least on an anonymous forum? If you are going to make an argument that these kids are taking advantage during youth ball, because they don't want to play against kids their own age, you should probably pick a club that doesn't commit the entire squad to College ball every year. I mean, doesn't your theory essentially dissolve once they hit High School and keep achieving? Holdback or not, you have to play kids 2-3 years older in HS and College at some point. What is it that you are seeing, but HS coaches and College recruiters are missing? It can't just be your disdain for the club that they are missing, because that wouldn't fit your agenda. They must all be holdback sympathizers, and the entire NCAA lax circuit is really led by a nefarious lax overlord, bent on beating up little kids.

SPOT ON! Well said. The poster obviously has true animus for Crabs and this is the only avenue of attack he can muster. As stated previously, if you would like for your son to receive outstanding training and to be positioned to play at a great college, Crabs is second to none in Maryland.[/quote]

Spot on? Who talks like that? You sound like some Admin puke from an OGA who is an Anglophile. Let me break it down for you very simply. Your 15 year old son is better than the 13 and 14 years olds he is playing only because he is older. Simple as that. Everything else you are spouting is nonsense. Early recruiting was the catalyst for this holdback craze and that era has come to an abrupt halt. Hope your kid already signed his NLI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couldn't it possibly be that you just don't like that club, and this is the talking point (the big bad holdbacks) that seems to stick with your base, at least on an anonymous forum? If you are going to make an argument that these kids are taking advantage during youth ball, because they don't want to play against kids their own age, you should probably pick a club that doesn't commit the entire squad to College ball every year. I mean, doesn't your theory essentially dissolve once they hit High School and keep achieving? Holdback or not, you have to play kids 2-3 years older in HS and College at some point. What is it that you are seeing, but HS coaches and College recruiters are missing? It can't just be your disdain for the club that they are missing, because that wouldn't fit your agenda. They must all be holdback sympathizers, and the entire NCAA lax circuit is really led by a nefarious lax overlord, bent on beating up little kids.

SPOT ON! Well said. The poster obviously has true animus for Crabs and this is the only avenue of attack he can muster. As stated previously, if you would like for your son to receive outstanding training and to be positioned to play at a great college, Crabs is second to none in Maryland.

Spot on? Who talks like that? You sound like some Admin puke from an OGA who is an Anglophile. Let me break it down for you very simply. Your 15 year old son is better than the 13 and 14 years olds he is playing only because he is older. Simple as that. Everything else you are spouting is nonsense. Early recruiting was the catalyst for this holdback craze and that era has come to an abrupt halt. Hope your kid already signed his NLI.
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I don't know what you just said exactly and don't feel like looking it up, but my 15 year old is better than the 17 year olds he plays against, and he plays for the club your kid can't make, so f you and the horse you rode in on, and the whole Calvary behind you. And the NLI has nothing to do with early recruiting, so irrelevant to your rant. Oh, lastly, new season just started, grade-based, just for you, sweetie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No other sport uses grade classification. None.

Hence, greatest game on two feet, ding dong.

So you are ok with certain children 8th grade and less having an advantage in youth while others dont get it?? And your reasoning is that in High School, all will even out due to going against 2-3 years older players ?

So why do we need to give certain children an advantage then in youth?? Since they will be on a grade based HS team and go to college anyway ?? LOL.. Hilarious! Do any of you have any reasoning that is actually thought out and makes sense. The reason you dont is that there are not any valid reasons. If there were all youth sports would be grade base and let select kids play down.

These constant excuses are just a way for you to justify letting select children get an advantage others dont at a youth level.
And your lame I dont like the Crabs is just that. Lame. I think lacrosse is becoming something it shouldnt be with grade base and no age limit in youth. My son played on the Crabs years ago when they were age. On the youth level he got cut three years and made it last year. Very little said by me or anyone at the tryouts that was cut. It seemed fair . If he would have been a year older than most of others he would have easily made the team every year.

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Even they have a heart, so there's that.
This isn't a community service honey, this is a private HS development program, yes, starting at youth, as advertised clearly. You're being the ex that won't just go away! Look, it's just not a thing, it was just never a thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ship has sailed! You are beating a dead horse. GET OVER IT! College coaches want to know when players are available to them and grade based teams provide the answer. All of the whining and complaining on this thread is not going to change this reality. When your child reaches high school, maybe you will give it a rest and move on.

Now it is the college coaches excuse. That actually had some validity when Colleges were recruiting 9th graders. Those days are over. First day of 11th grade is the official recruiting day to make an offer. Of course most colleges will be watching 10th graders and some 9th graders.
There are ZERO college coaches attending 8th grade events now. ZERO unless their son or friend is playing. Which means to you Youth lacrosse apologists ......You apologists need to come up with another excuse.

Once again..You apologists always try to bring in High School and College lacrosse when talking about this youth issue.

Fart noise, burp, snot rocket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Couldn't it possibly be that you just don't like that club, and this is the talking point (the big bad holdbacks) that seems to stick with your base, at least on an anonymous forum? If you are going to make an argument that these kids are taking advantage during youth ball, because they don't want to play against kids their own age, you should probably pick a club that doesn't commit the entire squad to College ball every year. I mean, doesn't your theory essentially dissolve once they hit High School and keep achieving? Holdback or not, you have to play kids 2-3 years older in HS and College at some point. What is it that you are seeing, but HS coaches and College recruiters are missing? It can't just be your disdain for the club that they are missing, because that wouldn't fit your agenda. They must all be holdback sympathizers, and the entire NCAA lax circuit is really led by a nefarious lax overlord, bent on beating up little kids.

SPOT ON! Well said. The poster obviously has true animus for Crabs and this is the only avenue of attack he can muster. As stated previously, if you would like for your son to receive outstanding training and to be positioned to play at a great college, Crabs is second to none in Maryland.

Spot on? Who talks like that? You sound like some Admin puke from an OGA who is an Anglophile. Let me break it down for you very simply. Your 15 year old son is better than the 13 and 14 years olds he is playing only because he is older. Simple as that. Everything else you are spouting is nonsense. Early recruiting was the catalyst for this holdback craze and that era has come to an abrupt halt. Hope your kid already signed his NLI.

I don't know what you just said exactly and don't feel like looking it up, but my 15 year old is better than the 17 year olds he plays against, and he plays for the club your kid can't make, so f you and the horse you rode in on, and the whole Calvary behind you. And the NLI has nothing to do with early recruiting, so irrelevant to your rant. Oh, lastly, new season just started, grade-based, just for you, sweetie.
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Lol.....sure. Make up some more stories why don't you.

No 15 year that plays for Crabs is playing against 17 year olds. Enjoy grade based play while you can because it is coming to end. Even elite clubs are going to make the switch at some point. Don't worry you can always forge their birth certificate.

News flash not every kid that plays for crabs is a hold back! I know my kid is there for the top notch coaching. He is not a holdback he works very hard and they have the best practices, camps and tournaments around! That is why we stay. The worst part about playing for the crabs is listening to BS parents from the other teams. Asking for birth certificates and if our kids drive themselves to practice. Ridiculous, many kids are talented without having to repeat a grade.
Make sure when you're pointing fingers to count how many hold backs are on your team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash not every kid that plays for crabs is a hold back! I know my kid is there for the top notch coaching. He is not a holdback he works very hard and they have the best practices, camps and tournaments around! That is why we stay. The worst part about playing for the crabs is listening to BS parents from the other teams. Asking for birth certificates and if our kids drive themselves to practice. Ridiculous, many kids are talented without having to repeat a grade.
Make sure when you're pointing fingers to count how many hold backs are on your team!

Here we go...

Two 2022 crabs players went to Team91 2022 last year and quickly figured out their Crabs coach was not so bad compared to the Team91 2022 coach. One of them actually went back to Crabs 2022 before 91 even played their second summer tournament! The other decided to not play club lacrosse this year. A stellar example of how the grass is not always greener in other pastures.

Take a hard look at 2020 Crabs team - a ton of reclassed kids. Great coaching - right. Did they win a tournament this summer? Their opponents have gone through puberty now. Sorry - gig is up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a hard look at 2020 Crabs team - a ton of reclassed kids. Great coaching - right. Did they win a tournament this summer? Their opponents have gone through puberty now. Sorry - gig is up.

That team went like 40-4 last year, at literally every best event! Nobody even disputes their top 5 National status. Not even a nice try, brother. Hittin some of grandpa's old cough medicine, were ya?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a hard look at 2020 Crabs team - a ton of reclassed kids. Great coaching - right. Did they win a tournament this summer? Their opponents have gone through puberty now. Sorry - gig is up.

I saw them play Looney's in philly, I think they lost by 1. One of the best lacrosse games I've seen at that level. If they are bad, not sure you are in touch with the game. All you had to say was your kid can't make that team, and we would have understood, because, you know, they are really really good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a hard look at 2020 Crabs team - a ton of reclassed kids. Great coaching - right. Did they win a tournament this summer? Their opponents have gone through puberty now. Sorry - gig is up.

Best post all day.

Lost at Crabfeast (their own tournament) to the Hawks. Doh! Fat Crab almost exploded into a million little pork rinds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost at Crabfeast (their own tournament) to the Hawks. Doh! Fat Crab almost exploded into a million little pork rinds.

Only reason to worry is if they ever had to stoop and see your kid on the field.

So when these kids just keep achieving year after year, what's your fallback? You once tried to pretend that one of the best teams teams in the country wasn't that good. That's what you got?? Awesome. Losers like you prove how great they are, if you don't get some azzplugged losers on here, that's when to worry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a hard look at 2020 Crabs team - a ton of reclassed kids. Great coaching - right. Did they win a tournament this summer? Their opponents have gone through puberty now. Sorry - gig is up.

Best post all day.

Again says the as*wipe who lives neat the city dump down by the river. What an idiot you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a hard look at 2020 Crabs team - a ton of reclassed kids. Great coaching - right. Did they win a tournament this summer? Their opponents have gone through puberty now. Sorry - gig is up.

Best post all day.

Again says the as*wipe who lives neat the city dump down by the river. What an idiot you are.

I was curious so I looked at IL top 50 2020s... (6) Crabs, (6) FCA, (3) Looneys, (2) Hawks, (1) 91 MD... 18/50 ... not bad at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a hard look at 2020 Crabs team - a ton of reclassed kids. Great coaching - right. Did they win a tournament this summer? Their opponents have gone through puberty now. Sorry - gig is up.

Best post all day.

Again says the as*wipe who libe left behindves neat the city dump down by the river. What an idiot you are.

I was curious so I looked at IL top 50 2020s... (6) Crabs, (6) FCA, (3) Looneys, (2) Hawks, (1) 91 MD... 18/50 ... not bad at all.

All Holdbacks except 2..It works folks..Get on the bandwagon or be left behind

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a hard look at 2020 Crabs team - a ton of reclassed kids. Great coaching - right. Did they win a tournament this summer? Their opponents have gone through puberty now. Sorry - gig is up.

Best post all day.

Again says the as*wipe who libe left behindves neat the city dump down by the river. What an idiot you are.

I was curious so I looked at IL top 50 2020s... (6) Crabs, (6) FCA, (3) Looneys, (2) Hawks, (1) 91 MD... 18/50 ... not bad at all.

All Holdbacks except 2..It works folks..Get on the bandwagon or be left behind

The State of Maryland calls them 10th graders. Didn't know azzhat butthurt terdcutters on anonymous forums had precedent over the Authorities Having Jurisdiction. I think we'll go with the State and stick to calling the adults names, rather than the children. It's your own dumbazz fault if you don't give your child opportunities afforded by the State. Sounds like it's all your fault that your cheeks are swollen and your ego is splattered. Hating on kids is the worst form of projecting your own failures.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take a hard look at 2020 Crabs team - a ton of reclassed kids. Great coaching - right. Did they win a tournament this summer? Their opponents have gone through puberty now. Sorry - gig is up.

Best post all day.

Again says the as*wipe who libe left behindves neat the city dump down by the river. What an idiot you are.

I was curious so I looked at IL top 50 2020s... (6) Crabs, (6) FCA, (3) Looneys, (2) Hawks, (1) 91 MD... 18/50 ... not bad at all.

All Holdbacks except 2..It works folks..Get on the bandwagon or be left behind

The State of Maryland calls them 10th graders. Didn't know azzhat butthurt terdcutters on anonymous forums had precedent over the Authorities Having Jurisdiction. I think we'll go with the State and stick to calling the adults names, rather than the children. It's your own dumbazz fault if you don't give your child opportunities afforded by the State. Sounds like it's all your fault that your cheeks are swollen and your ego is splattered. Hating on kids is the worst form of projecting your own failures.

Hating on kids??? Holding back works. Why is that hate? More parents should do it..Frankly I recommend ALL parents that intend to have their son play lacrosse in HS either do a prefirst or reclass him. It works!!!

UA team from Balt is over 50% of holdbacks. It works!! How is that hate??

If you can't make the team playing against your age group - sure - why not drop down a grade or two so you look like a stud. Beeeeecccaaauusseeee its weak!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you can't make the team playing against your age group - sure - why not drop down a grade or two so you look like a stud. Beeeeecccaaauusseeee its weak!

This is the other as*wipe who lives near the city dump down by the river. You idiots really stick together.

If its true that 16/18 MD kids are holdbacks, then its very hard to dispute that the older kids have an incredible advantage over the younger ones in any given graduation year. The younger ones will have to wait a year or two to "round out" recruiting classes in Junior/Senior years or hope that sophomore summers go VERY well and that they have matured by then. Interesting. I bet in the end the good ones never get missed and that the process is just harder for younger kids. Such is life I guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you can't make the team playing against your age group - sure - why not drop down a grade or two so you look like a stud. Beeeeecccaaauusseeee its weak!

Wait, how does your theory play out in HS, since they are playing against Juniors and Seniors, many which held back also, so 2-3 years older, and still achieve success? What are you seeing that decades of scouts and colleges missed? For over a decade, every class has success in HS and College, so I think you can eat a bag of di$ks.

What I am seeing is a bunch of spoiled private school kids whose parents have taught them to do anything and everything to gain an advantage over their peers. Honor, character, sportsmanship.... nah... that's for suckers....

So is complaining....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I am seeing is a bunch of spoiled private school kids whose parents have taught them to do anything and everything to gain an advantage over their peers. Honor, character, sportsmanship.... nah... that's for suckers....

That fork in the road, about 20 years ago, when you went right, yeah, life was to the left.

Show your kid that you need a good education to get a good job and not follow in your foot steps and complain about kids that are "spoiled private school kids". If you had spent as much time trying to get ahead at work and/or get a better job as you do complaining about hold backs then perhaps your kid could go to a private school and gain an advantage over his peers. That's what life's all about ...... taking advantage of the opportunities in front of you and not complaining how you've been screwed.

A sign of a good parent is one who gives their children opportunities they themselves never had as a child. It seems you are not one of those parents!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Show your kid that you need a good education to get a good job and not follow in your foot steps and complain about kids that are "spoiled private school kids". If you had spent as much time trying to get ahead at work and/or get a better job as you do complaining about hold backs then perhaps your kid could go to a private school and gain an advantage over his peers. That's what life's all about ...... taking advantage of the opportunities in front of you and not complaining how you've been screwed.

A sign of a good parent is one who gives their children opportunities they themselves never had as a child. It seems you are not one of those parents!!

Prefect point I agree. That is why I started give my son HGH when he was 13. I also paid for the answer to the SAT. He is so far ahead I just do not know what to do with myself.

Don't you worry about me - I'm doing just fine, my kids are doing just fine and we didn't have to game the system to get ahead. Hey after your double holdback can't into the school he verbally committed to in the 8th grade you can always do a PG year.

Could the administrator of this forum please create a new thread devoted to the topic of holdbacks? It seems every thread on the Maryland forum is littered with this discussion. If you created a new "Holdback Discussion" thread, those of us who are interested in our own teams and leagues could stay informed, without having to weed through all of this nonsense. Those interested in tilting at windmills could continue their discussion in their own thread regarding holdbacks. The rest of us would like the threads regarding our specific teams and leagues to go forward without any more debate about the rule that was changed FOUR YEARS AGO and that WILL NOT BE CHANGED ANY TIME SOON. This would truly be a public service. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you worry about me - I'm doing just fine, my kids are doing just fine and we didn't have to game the system to get ahead. Hey after your double holdback can't into the school he verbally committed to in the 8th grade you can always do a PG year.

Other than a bitter pill, what is it that you require? We get it, relax. Without mediocre, there would be no great. Oh, and you picked the forum for the club with the most proven track record to shill your non-sense, so there's that too..

great come back.....proves the point that you don't understand the value of a good education.... how's Perry Hall doing for your kid??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could the administrator of this forum please create a new thread devoted to the topic of holdbacks? It seems every thread on the Maryland forum is littered with this discussion. If you created a new "Holdback Discussion" thread, those of us who are interested in our own teams and leagues could stay informed, without having to weed through all of this nonsense. Those interested in tilting at windmills could continue their discussion in their own thread regarding holdbacks. The rest of us would like the threads regarding our specific teams and leagues to go forward without any more debate about the rule that was changed FOUR YEARS AGO and that WILL NOT BE CHANGED ANY TIME SOON. This would truly be a public service. Thank you.

..and que the hyperventilating in 3..2..1..

Poor whittle crab nation couldn't handle the truth.... we need a separate board because our cupcake kids who weren't good enough to play against kids their own age don't like it when people say mean things about them... wahwahwah....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poor whittle crab nation couldn't handle the truth.... we need a separate board because our cupcake kids who weren't good enough to play against kids their own age don't like it when people say mean things about them... wahwahwah....

Hey dbag they just created a new thread for you to spit out your trash. Too bad your kid just can't cut it at the club level. I'm sure you discuss this every evening watching your fluffy tv shows. Boo hoo hoo, I feel so bad for my little snowflake Johnny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poor whittle crab nation couldn't handle the truth.... we need a separate board because our cupcake kids who weren't good enough to play against kids their own age don't like it when people say mean things about them... wahwahwah....

You know you're doing things right when there is this much teeth gnashing hate and jealousy out there...LOL.

Holdbacks and Crabs are interchangeable. Your trash is everyone else's truth. Own it cheater.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Show your kid that you need a good education to get a good job and not follow in your foot steps and complain about kids that are "spoiled private school kids". If you had spent as much time trying to get ahead at work and/or get a better job as you do complaining about hold backs then perhaps your kid could go to a private school and gain an advantage over his peers. That's what life's all about ...... taking advantage of the opportunities in front of you and not complaining how you've been screwed.

A sign of a good parent is one who gives their children opportunities they themselves never had as a child. It seems you are not one of those parents!!

Prefect point I agree. That is why I started give my son HGH when he was 13. I also paid for the answer to the SAT. He is so far ahead I just do not know what to do with myself.

For yourself, I don't know, maybe an azzplug.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poor whittle crab nation couldn't handle the truth.... we need a separate board because our cupcake kids who weren't good enough to play against kids their own age don't like it when people say mean things about them... wahwahwah....

Hey dbag they just created a new thread for you to spit out your trash. Too bad your kid just can't cut it at the club level. I'm sure you discuss this every evening watching your fluffy tv shows. Boo hoo hoo, I feel so bad for my little snowflake Johnny.

I can't figure out the holdback forum, won't let me reply. I should have freakin held back, so I was smart enough to comment on the holdback forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks and Crabs are interchangeable. Your trash is everyone else's truth. Own it cheater.

That was poetic, but like if poetry had diarrhea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poor whittle crab nation couldn't handle the truth.... we need a separate board because our cupcake kids who weren't good enough to play against kids their own age don't like it when people say mean things about them... wahwahwah....

Hey dbag they just created a new thread for you to spit out your trash. Too bad your kid just can't cut it at the club level. I'm sure you discuss this every evening watching your fluffy tv shows. Boo hoo hoo, I feel so bad for my little snowflake Johnny.

I can't figure out the holdback forum, won't let me reply. I should have freakin held back, so I was smart enough to comment on the holdback forum.

Maybe your 10 year old son or daughter can help you out. Oh, I get it, they even posted the above post for you. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks and Crabs are interchangeable. Your trash is everyone else's truth. Own it cheater.

At least no one on here has the kind of "crabs" you have. You know the STD kind. Now you have to own that dbag.

Enough of this Holdback BS. Go post that garbage on the other thread.

The real question is: When will Crabs make the trip to Leesburg and play Evergreen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough of this Holdback BS. Go post that garbage on the other thread.

The real question is: When will Crabs make the trip to Leesburg and play Evergreen?

Get the f out of here, everyone is sick of hearing about your pathetic Evergreen team. No Maryland team is going to waste their time to go to Va to play some pathetic Evergreen c level team, not even b or c level teams, who would kick Evergreen's butt. Go find somewhere else to post your useless BS and stay out of the Maryland section. This Evergreen crap is just that, CRAP.

Look how quiet these forums have become now that there is no more anonymous posting. Maybe now we can get back to talking about lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Popeye

Look how quiet these forums have become now that there is no more anonymous posting. Maybe now we can get back to talking about lacrosse.

You're right. Now that you know who I am as I am registered, I'm really scared.:)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough of this Holdback BS. Go post that garbage on the other thread.

The real question is: When will Crabs make the trip to Leesburg and play Evergreen?

Get the f out of here, everyone is sick of hearing about your pathetic Evergreen team. No Maryland team is going to waste their time to go to Va to play some pathetic Evergreen c level team, not even b or c level teams, who would kick Evergreen's butt. Go find somewhere else to post your useless BS and stay out of the Maryland section. This Evergreen crap is just that, CRAP.

Evergreen will take on all teams in MD-VA-Anywhere. Wait for 10-1-2017. Making us create a profile and login will not stop the Evergreenmachine

Originally Posted by MADERCAVGREENLAX

Evergreen will take on all teams in MD-VA-Anywhere. Wait for 10-1-2017. Making us create a profile and login will not stop the Evergreenmachine

You're an idiot.

If the Crabs cheat as much as you claim how come the have never been caught or Ickes out of a tournament Honestly not from around Baltimore so I am confused why it is said so often.

Ok HGH is given to people who have delayed puberty or have started their puberty and it stopped its only given to kids of cannot complete puberty. You are using it as if it is given to kids to make them grow an extra four inches which displays you ignorance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Crabs cheat as much as you claim how come the have never been caught or Ickes out of a tournament Honestly not from around Baltimore so I am confused why it is said so often.

At the beginning of Youth lacrosse going to grade based a few years ago, Crabs were king of getting kids that were prefirst or heldback ( which means generally 1 month to 1 year older players then other teams without them ) . They also were a huge proponent of grade base due to private school influence. Technically according to rules they werent cheaters, but many felt having older select prefirst/holdback kids playing against younger age based kids was cheating and going against what Youth sports stands for. Many still do and call them cheaters. Which they arent really with grade base leagues rules.

Youth sports was never meant to be grade base below 8th grade. Only grade after 8th grade. Which is why all youth sports are age prior to 8th.

Many teams now have caught up with Crabs and have their share of holdbacks/prefirsts too. I suspect Crabs for all their teams still have the most, but who knows now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Crabs cheat as much as you claim how come the have never been caught or Ickes out of a tournament Honestly not from around Baltimore so I am confused why it is said so often.

At the beginning of Youth lacrosse going to grade based a few years ago, Crabs were king of getting kids that were prefirst or heldback ( which means generally 1 month to 1 year older players then other teams without them ) . They also were a huge proponent of grade base due to private school influence. Technically according to rules they werent cheaters, but many felt having older select prefirst/holdback kids playing against younger age based kids was cheating and going against what Youth sports stands for. Many still do and call them cheaters. Which they arent really with grade base leagues rules.

Youth sports was never meant to be grade base below 8th grade. Only grade after 8th grade. Which is why all youth sports are age prior to 8th.

Many teams now have caught up with Crabs and have their share of holdbacks/prefirsts too. I suspect Crabs for all their teams still have the most, but who knows now.

Crabs a few years ago without doubt had the most holdback/prefirst/reclass players on their teams. Is this still True or what Club has as many ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Crabs cheat as much as you claim how come the have never been caught or Ickes out of a tournament Honestly not from around Baltimore so I am confused why it is said so often.

At the beginning of Youth lacrosse going to grade based a few years ago, Crabs were king of getting kids that were prefirst or heldback ( which means generally 1 month to 1 year older players then other teams without them ) . They also were a huge proponent of grade base due to private school influence. Technically according to rules they werent cheaters, but many felt having older select prefirst/holdback kids playing against younger age based kids was cheating and going against what Youth sports stands for. Many still do and call them cheaters. Which they arent really with grade base leagues rules.

Youth sports was never meant to be grade base below 8th grade. Only grade after 8th grade. Which is why all youth sports are age prior to 8th.

Many teams now have caught up with Crabs and have their share of holdbacks/prefirsts too. I suspect Crabs for all their teams still have the most, but who knows now.

Crabs a few years ago without doubt had the most holdback/prefirst/reclass players on their teams. Is this still True or what Club has as many ??

FCA, Hawks and Team 91 probably has more.

Hawks have more holdbacks than FCA and Crabs? That's a joke. FCA and Crabs feed Calvert Hall, Boys Latin, Gilman, etc. The epicenter of the re-class game....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have more holdbacks than FCA and Crabs? That's a joke. FCA and Crabs feed Calvert Hall, Boys Latin, Gilman, etc. The epicenter of the re-class game....

You need to keep up more with developments in club lacrosse. Yes, Hawks have as many or perhaps a few more than FCA. Who cares where the players for these clubs attend high school. Where do Hawks players attend HS? St. Mary's, Severn, Spalding or Severna Park. What difference does it make? None, but it does not change the fact that Hawks a few years ago got into the holdback game very quickly. Deny it all you want, it isn't going to change the truth or what is now happening.

guess the holdback game that so many of you whine about isn't hurting to bad...The crabs tournament for beginning of November has some great teams and the schedule is already out, so it doesn't look like they are suffering. Play the best to be the best! Sorry so many of you were not invited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

guess the holdback game that so many of you whine about isn't hurting to bad...The crabs tournament for beginning of November has some great teams and the schedule is already out, so it doesn't look like they are suffering. Play the best to be the best! Sorry so many of you were not invited.

Glad you had to hold your son back to compete against younger players. Nothing like getting an advantage others dont get.

Madlax has the most holdbacks now. By far.

Well if everyone has them then everything is fair with the world

Rough day for crabs today. How the mighty have fallen.

2021

DCE 8
Crabs 2

At boys Latin yesterday.

club blue has the most

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021

DCE 8
Crabs 2

At boys Latin yesterday.

2022

FCA 10
Crabs 3

At McD yesterday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021

DCE 8
Crabs 2

At boys Latin yesterday.

2020

Legends 8
Crabs 3

Denver Elite 8
Crabs 5

At NLF yesterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021

DCE 8
Crabs 2

At boys Latin yesterday.

2022

FCA 10
Crabs 3

At McD yesterday

Has the competition (kids and coaches) gotten better or has the Club lost its mojo or a combo? Can anyone from the Crabs organization post a SWOT analysis of what's going on or do I have to read more bombastic rear view mirror comments about the Programs past dominance. No more RM and his coaches junk, just an honest assessment and action plan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021

2022

FCA 10
Crabs 3

At McD yesterday

A little sprinkle of perspective.

Crab's 2022 played 5 full games Saturday and didn't have their fogo for Sunday at McD due to a family matter. The fogo who stepped up and filled in was a total Trooper and future beast from Crab's 2024 team!!!

A win is a win...so congratulations to FCA, but don't come on here bragging and beating your chest about THAT WIN folks...lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021

2022

FCA 10
Crabs 3

At McD yesterday

A little sprinkle of perspective.

Crab's 2022 played 5 full games Saturday and didn't have their fogo for Sunday at McD due to a family matter. The fogo who stepped up and filled in was a total Trooper and future beast from Crab's 2024 team!!!

A win is a win...so congratulations to FCA, but don't come on here bragging and beating your chest about THAT WIN folks...lol.

LOL. So the last time they played it was 14-3...Excuses? I'm sure they were totally worn out after those stressful games vs Zingos and Grizz on Saturday. The young fogo was one of the bright spots on that team yesterday. At least he plays with heart. FCA also is missing some of their better offensive players so save the excuses.

Don't worry. There's more B teams waiting for you next weekend at the Autumn Classic so you can win another tshirt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021

DCE 8
Crabs 2

At boys Latin yesterday.

2022

FCA 10
Crabs 3

At McD yesterday

Has the competition (kids and coaches) gotten better or has the Club lost its mojo or a combo? Can anyone from the Crabs organization post a SWOT analysis of what's going on or do I have to read more bombastic rear view mirror comments about the Programs past dominance. No more RM and his coaches junk, just an honest assessment and action plan.

That team has never been successful so I'm not sure what you are asking. They never had any mojo.

Sounds like the 2020 team struggled yesterday too and was very close to going 0-3 yet managed to pull off a 1 point win. Many teams were missing key players since it is fall ball but that was across the board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021

DCE 8
Crabs 2

At boys Latin yesterday.

2022

FCA 10
Crabs 3

At McD yesterday

Has the competition (kids and coaches) gotten better or has the Club lost its mojo or a combo? Can anyone from the Crabs organization post a SWOT analysis of what's going on or do I have to read more bombastic rear view mirror comments about the Programs past dominance. No more RM and his coaches junk, just an honest assessment and action plan.

That team has never been successful so I'm not sure what you are asking. They never had any mojo.

This is a high school team folks: last year prior to the recruiting changes, this age group would have been full of commitments. All I hear from the Crustacean synchophants is the Club is great at the high school ages. I hope they do improve dramatically but I’m not sure padding one’s record at lower level tournament is how one builds a strong team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021

DCE 8
Crabs 2

At boys Latin yesterday.

2022

FCA 10
Crabs 3

At McD yesterday

Has the competition (kids and coaches) gotten better or has the Club lost its mojo or a combo? Can anyone from the Crabs organization post a SWOT analysis of what's going on or do I have to read more bombastic rear view mirror comments about the Programs past dominance. No more RM and his coaches junk, just an honest assessment and action plan.

That team has never been successful so I'm not sure what you are asking. They never had any mojo.

This is a high school team folks: last year prior to the recruiting changes, this age group would have been full of commitments. All I hear from the Crustacean synchophants is the Club is great at the high school ages. I hope they do improve dramatically but I’m not sure padding one’s record at lower level tournament is how one builds a strong team.

It is written on the walls! If you are unable to see it than maybe you should continue to come on here and get your info. Do you really think ANY director or club spokesman from ANY team is coming on this site to inform us of anything let alone why the suck . In the past 5 years Crabs has had only 2 competitive teams 2018 and 2021(maybe the best at those levels) and possibly 2023 even though they bounce players from 2022 every year. Other clubs have dramatically over the years increased coaching staffs and have learned to recruit players and more importantly develop players. Previous Crab years it was all about getting your teams top players and running a run & gun style that was fun to watch. They totally missed the part of development thru the ranks. There is also 10 more clubs in a 10 mile radius that makes it much more competitive all around. Not saying RM is a bad coach, he has won a ton of games. 2022 Crabs has a few very good players but not what they are used to having for an 8th grade team. They will be competitive this year just not at the top .
Its hard to get top players to leave current teams because of coaching. This age group is stacked with the best coaching in the country. MD 91,FCA,RR,DCE,Hawks,Dukes just to name a few-love em or hate em these teams have very good coaching and supportive coaching. Crabs started it all and laid out the foundation- Everyone has caught up to the tricks of the trade(holdbacks) but also have strong development at lower age groups. When you start charging 7,8 and 9 year olds to play lacrosse you better be developing them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has the competition (kids and coaches) gotten better or has the Club lost its mojo or a combo? Can anyone from the Crabs organization post a SWOT analysis of what's going on or do I have to read more bombastic rear view mirror comments about the Programs past dominance. No more RM and his coaches junk, just an honest assessment and action plan.

That team has never been successful so I'm not sure what you are asking. They never had any mojo.

This is a high school team folks: last year prior to the recruiting changes, this age group would have been full of commitments. All I hear from the Crustacean synchophants is the Club is great at the high school ages. I hope they do improve dramatically but I’m not sure padding one’s record at lower level tournament is how one builds a strong team.

It is written on the walls! If you are unable to see it than maybe you should continue to come on here and get your info. Do you really think ANY director or club spokesman from ANY team is coming on this site to inform us of anything let alone why the suck . In the past 5 years Crabs has had only 2 competitive teams 2018 and 2021(maybe the best at those levels) and possibly 2023 even though they bounce players from 2022 every year. Other clubs have dramatically over the years increased coaching staffs and have learned to recruit players and more importantly develop players. Previous Crab years it was all about getting your teams top players and running a run & gun style that was fun to watch. They totally missed the part of development thru the ranks. There is also 10 more clubs in a 10 mile radius that makes it much more competitive all around. Not saying RM is a bad coach, he has won a ton of games. 2022 Crabs has a few very good players but not what they are used to having for an 8th grade team. They will be competitive this year just not at the top .
Its hard to get top players to leave current teams because of coaching. This age group is stacked with the best coaching in the country. MD 91,FCA,RR,DCE,Hawks,Dukes just to name a few-love em or hate em these teams have very good coaching and supportive coaching. Crabs started it all and laid out the foundation- Everyone has caught up to the tricks of the trade(holdbacks) but also have strong development at lower age groups. When you start charging 7,8 and 9 year olds to play lacrosse you better be developing them.

Well said. All the Clubs and lacrosse people in general know the holdback/prefirst game now. I was amazed at the lack of knowledge of Lacrosse people in Balt as it pertains to holdbacks/prefirst at start of grade based teams a few years ago. Crabs gobbled them up quick at first. Now everyone knows the game, even if you arent a Private School player/parent.

McD/St Paul/Loyola/Calvert Hall boys are no longer marching lockstep to the Crabs now. To many other good Clubs out there to play for. Plus a few seem to be associated with different private schools.

Crabs will be in top tier generally as they still are a pipeline to Boys Latin ( one of Holdbacks Kings) etc, but the days of dominating are gone. Those U13 and U15 Crabs teams of a few years ago were flat out great teams with on age players. No more

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

I have been around club lax for a bit and yes the landscape has changed. Not sure how the Hawks became the big kid on the block but they have. Crabs had the strong hold in the start of club lax but with all the strong baltimore clubs with great coaching it was just time before more programs caught up.
It is good for the sport to have better clubs around the entire beltway and I think that if anyone wanted to really make the lax better on the east coast you have more games and travel state to state for more games. Not as many tournaments but a league like in hockey where you travel around for games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

I have been around club lax for a bit and yes the landscape has changed. Not sure how the Hawks became the big kid on the block but they have. Crabs had the strong hold in the start of club lax but with all the strong baltimore clubs with great coaching it was just time before more programs caught up.
It is good for the sport to have better clubs around the entire beltway and I think that if anyone wanted to really make the lax better on the east coast you have more games and travel state to state for more games. Not as many tournaments but a league like in hockey where you travel around for games.

Wait. The way to make youth lacrosse is to spend more time driving up and down 95?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

I have been around club lax for a bit and yes the landscape has changed. Not sure how the Hawks became the big kid on the block but they have. Crabs had the strong hold in the start of club lax but with all the strong baltimore clubs with great coaching it was just time before more programs caught up.
It is good for the sport to have better clubs around the entire beltway and I think that if anyone wanted to really make the lax better on the east coast you have more games and travel state to state for more games. Not as many tournaments but a league like in hockey where you travel around for games.

Wait. The way to make youth lacrosse is to spend more time driving up and down 95?

Please tell me how much you drive up and down 95 for lax. In a well run travel program you we you travel you make it worth it. Go to LI and play 4 games for league play and locally you may play FCA on sat and 91 on sun. Following weekend madlax and dc express.
I just named 8 games in 3 weekends and I could go on with a schedule but it is real easy. As a travel sport parent driving 95 from Fla to Maine is all part of travel sports.

The competition has caught up with the Crabs! They no longer have a monopoly on most of the best players in the area anymore. There are more good players, more holdbacks for everyone, more good programs and more good coaches. Was a great program to be a part of in the U13 and U15 days. May still be a great program, but their rampant run with the holdbacks and grade based model altered their perception. However, all of the elite programs in the Baltimore / DC area now have numerous holdbacks, so probably an equal playing field these days among the top / elite programs.

My son is a 2018 that was a U13 Crab. He did not make the U15 team the following year, but his one year with the program was a great experience. It was a great team that performed at a very high level on the field and were great kids off the field. Most importantly my son competed with and against some of the top kids / top teams in the country at a early age and it laid the foundation for him becoming the player he is today. He will always cherish that one season with the Crabs at U13.

As of today, 16 of the 21 kids that were on that team are committed to play D1 lacrosse. Another kid is a D1 golfer, but is a top 50 laxer as well. I am pretty sure that three of the remaining four will be playing college lacrosse as well. Very impressive that such a high percentage of kids on a team comprised of 6th and 7th graders would continue playing lacrosse in college at the likes of UNC, UVA, MD, Penn, PSU, Navy, Loyola, Towson, Georgetown, Furman, High Point, Air Force, Jacksonville, and Mt St Mary's. At the end of that season the coaches told the kids they would all be playing lacrosse in college - unbelievably close to the truth!

As the parent of a on age, public school kid I despise the pre-first / holdback advantage (but it works). I fondly recall the good old days of U13 / U15 with the emphasis of grooming good players, becoming a good team, and ultimately winning tournaments against top competition.

The emphasis on the recruiting process during the high school years tarnishes the experience!

If your are good enough they will find you or you will find them!

Enjoy it - it goes quickly and remember they are just kids!

The beauty of lacrosse here is that you don't have to travel far for great competition! Between Baltimore, Annapolis, DC and Northern Virginia there are plenty of good lacrosse programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

The Crabs are the Sears of the club lacrosse world. A once proud brand fades away over time. Its very painful to watch. Hope you're not a shareholder......

For the person that asked for honest insight.....this is a very accurate post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

For the person that asked for honest insight.....this is a very accurate post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Da Nile is a river in Egypt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Struggles?...LOL

EVERYBODY in this sport who actually matters knows and respects the Crab's program.

From Timbuktu, to I don't know who - They have ALL heard about the Crab's.

And more importantly, If you're on a Crab's squad...then they KNOW you can ball.

Look forward to some good competition down in Chapel Hill in a few weeks.

See the rest of you scrubs come spring!!!

Crab Nation!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Struggles?...LOL

EVERYBODY in this sport who actually matters knows and respects the Crab's program.

From Timbuktu, to I don't know who - They have ALL heard about the Crab's.

And more importantly, If you're on a Crab's squad...then they KNOW you can ball.

Look forward to some good competition down in Chapel Hill in a few weeks.

See the rest of you scrubs come spring!!!

Crab Nation!!!

Let us know how the UNC playday works out for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Struggles?...LOL

EVERYBODY in this sport who actually matters knows and respects the Crab's program.

From Timbuktu, to I don't know who - They have ALL heard about the Crab's.

And more importantly, If you're on a Crab's squad...then they KNOW you can ball.

Look forward to some good competition down in Chapel Hill in a few weeks.

See the rest of you scrubs come spring!!!

Crab Nation!!!

If you are looking for good competition it won't be at the UNC event. Mostly teams from Florida and NC. If they were really looking for good competition they shouldn't have played in 2 Aloha tournaments this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Struggles?...LOL

EVERYBODY in this sport who actually matters knows and respects the Crab's program.

From Timbuktu, to I don't know who - They have ALL heard about the Crab's.

And more importantly, If you're on a Crab's squad...then they KNOW you can ball.

Look forward to some good competition down in Chapel Hill in a few weeks.

See the rest of you scrubs come spring!!!

Crab Nation!!!

Ok Ryan, But when anyone hears anything about a Crab team below 8th grade, First thing out of their mouth is holdbacks.. Say what you want, but that is what is said and thought by all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Struggles?...LOL

EVERYBODY in this sport who actually matters knows and respects the Crab's program.

From Timbuktu, to I don't know who - They have ALL heard about the Crab's.

And more importantly, If you're on a Crab's squad...then they KNOW you can ball.

Look forward to some good competition down in Chapel Hill in a few weeks.

See the rest of you scrubs come spring!!!

Crab Nation!!!

If you are looking for good competition it won't be at the UNC event. Mostly teams from Florida and NC. If they were really looking for good competition they shouldn't have played in 2 Aloha tournaments this fall.

LOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Struggles?...LOL

EVERYBODY in this sport who actually matters knows and respects the Crab's program.

From Timbuktu, to I don't know who - They have ALL heard about the Crab's.

And more importantly, If you're on a Crab's squad...then they KNOW you can ball.

Look forward to some good competition down in Chapel Hill in a few weeks.

See the rest of you scrubs come spring!!!

Crab Nation!!!

If you are looking for good competition it won't be at the UNC event. Mostly teams from Florida and NC. If they were really looking for good competition they shouldn't have played in 2 Aloha tournaments this fall.

Well excuse me. We are in the presence of greatness here folks and I guess you know the game better than the Coaching Staff at UNC??

You do realize the goal for most of these young men is to display their talent in front of D1 Coaches so they can get recruited to D1 programs?

Their ultimate goal is not to compete against whoever YOU (Joe Blow Phucknutz) says is good competition at XYZ play day you TWIT!!!

There is a reason Dave invited Crab's down, just like there is a reason Sean Nadalen is coaching the Crab's middle school box team.

Or are they simply uninformed idiots too Joe??

CRAB NATION!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Struggles?...LOL

EVERYBODY in this sport who actually matters knows and respects the Crab's program.

From Timbuktu, to I don't know who - They have ALL heard about the Crab's.

And more importantly, If you're on a Crab's squad...then they KNOW you can ball.

Look forward to some good competition down in Chapel Hill in a few weeks.

See the rest of you scrubs come spring!!!

Crab Nation!!!

If you are looking for good competition it won't be at the UNC event. Mostly teams from Florida and NC. If they were really looking for good competition they shouldn't have played in 2 Aloha tournaments this fall.

Well excuse me. We are in the presence of greatness here folks and I guess you know the game better than the Coaching Staff at UNC??

You do realize the goal for most of these young men is to display their talent in front of D1 Coaches so they can get recruited to D1 programs?

Their ultimate goal is not to compete against whoever YOU (Joe Blow Phucknutz) says is good competition at XYZ play day you TWIT!!!

There is a reason Dave invited Crab's down, just like there is a reason Sean Nadalen is coaching the Crab's middle school box team.

Or are they simply uninformed idiots too Joe??

CRAB NATION!!!!!

I know who you are. Your son is a fringe player at best. If he sprints to the huddles to hand out water bottles to the players who actually play, maybe Metzbower will have him as a manager in a few years. Crab Nation!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Do the 8th grade and younger crabs parents pay attention to the games their kids play in? Do they not notice the lack of coaching? The difference in systems between Crabs and the other top teams? Do they not notice that their son does not improve year to year unless they are paying for training outside of Crabs? All the while they are treated like crap and their boys are beaten down and play scared unless they are one of the overage studs that everything runs through? There are a lot of good kids and families that still sign their kids up for the same BS year after year and expect things to change.

What is the definition of insanity?

Looking for a definition of insanity? Easy, YOUR post!

Said by the person drunk on the yellow kool-aid.
This is exactly the attitude contributing to their struggles....denial.

Struggles?...LOL

EVERYBODY in this sport who actually matters knows and respects the Crab's program.

From Timbuktu, to I don't know who - They have ALL heard about the Crab's.

And more importantly, If you're on a Crab's squad...then they KNOW you can ball.

Look forward to some good competition down in Chapel Hill in a few weeks.

See the rest of you scrubs come spring!!!

Crab Nation!!!

If you are looking for good competition it won't be at the UNC event. Mostly teams from Florida and NC. If they were really looking for good competition they shouldn't have played in 2 Aloha tournaments this fall.

Well excuse me. We are in the presence of greatness here folks and I guess you know the game better than the Coaching Staff at UNC??

You do realize the goal for most of these young men is to display their talent in front of D1 Coaches so they can get recruited to D1 programs?

Their ultimate goal is not to compete against whoever YOU (Joe Blow Phucknutz) says is good competition at XYZ play day you TWIT!!!

There is a reason Dave invited Crab's down, just like there is a reason Sean Nadalen is coaching the Crab's middle school box team.

Or are they simply uninformed idiots too Joe??

CRAB NATION!!!!!

a·nach·ro·nism: a thing belonging or appropriate to a period other than that in which it exists, especially a thing that is conspicuously old-fashioned.
"everything was as it would have appeared in centuries past apart from one anachronism, a bright yellow construction crane"

When the college coaches see the some of the younger Crabs play, they will clearly see the 3-4 players that have D1 potential. That being said, the college coaches are quick studies. They don't live in the past as their jobs depend on it. Why do you think the MIAA high school coaches are helping run practices and clinics at the stronger clubs? Its survival of the fittest and the Lord of Flies. Exposure doesn't mean crap in the 8th grade and a play day is a way to get college assistant coaches paid. A college coach is not allowed to have contact with a player until their junior year. An eighth grade play day is purely in the observation phase category. How boys play in the 9th and and more importantly 10th grade will determine if they receive offers. Club owners who are focused on touting the visibility they bring to 8th graders are hucksters pure and simple. They should be spending their time coaching kids up (assuming they've stayed current) and developing all of their paying clientele not flying kids in from every State to win a B/C level tournament.

You really think the UNC coaches are going to be there watching these 8th and 7th graders play?!? Get real. It's cool the boys get to go play games on a college campus, but they have no interest in these kids right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You really think the UNC coaches are going to be there watching these 8th and 7th graders play?!? Get real. It's cool the boys get to go play games on a college campus, but they have no interest in these kids right now.

Yes they will, speaking from experience. They won’t be talking to you but they will be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You really think the UNC coaches are going to be there watching these 8th and 7th graders play?!? Get real. It's cool the boys get to go play games on a college campus, but they have no interest in these kids right now.

Yes they will, speaking from experience. They won’t be talking to you but they will be there.

So what, they watch a couple of 8th grade games, write a couple of 8th graders names down. Did the same thing they did at the Igloo event recently. So what? If you flat line or don't progress a lot in the next two years, you won't be getting an offer. Its all about who is the the shiniest toy in the fall of their junior year. Don't waste your money on play days and prospect camps. Work on your craft, let the cream rise to the top and don't be victim of the fear merchants. RM, you should be working on updating your offensive scheme, teaching your offensive players to actually have two effective hands and winning as losing is a bad habit.

Originally Posted by dumb as a box of rocks

If you are looking for good competition it won't be at the UNC event. Mostly teams from Florida and NC. If they were really looking for good competition they shouldn't have played in 2 Aloha tournaments this fall.

Well excuse me. We are in the presence of greatness here folks and I guess you know the game better than the Coaching Staff at UNC??

You do realize the goal for most of these young men is to display their talent in front of D1 Coaches so they can get recruited to D1 programs?

Their ultimate goal is not to compete against whoever YOU (Joe Blow Phucknutz) says is good competition at XYZ play day you TWIT!!!

There is a reason Dave invited Crab's down, just like there is a reason Sean Nadalen is coaching the Crab's middle school box team.

Or are they simply uninformed idiots too Joe??

CRAB NATION!!!!!

Originally Posted by pathetic, jealous, dooshbag

I know who you are. Your son is a fringe player at best. If he sprints to the huddles to hand out water bottles to the players who actually play, maybe Metzbower will have him as a manager in a few years. Crab Nation!!!!

Looks like daddy is still butt hurt because his kids spot was taken. Where did you slime off too - API?....LOL.

Why has Mr. Crab Nation!!!! been so quiet lately? Finally check himself into rehab?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why has Mr. Crab Nation!!!! been so quiet lately? Finally check himself into rehab?

Easy there girl.. Your eyes are green with Envy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why has Mr. Crab Nation!!!! been so quiet lately? Finally check himself into rehab?

Easy there girl.. Your eyes are green with Envy

LOL!! Keep em coming Biff

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why has Mr. Crab Nation!!!! been so quiet lately? Finally check himself into rehab?

Easy there girl.. Your eyes are green with Envy

Exactly the color of RM's eyes when the Hawks were rolling up titles at the Young Guns Tournament last year. Nothing like getting smoked and/or upset at your own tournament. Wait, results don't matter, only the name on your jersey does: sounds like comments you hear during the last days of an empire or dynasty. College coaches may be a little slow but they'll get the memo soon enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why has Mr. Crab Nation!!!! been so quiet lately? Finally check himself into rehab?

Easy there girl.. Your eyes are green with Envy

Exactly the color of RM's eyes when the Hawks were rolling up titles at the Young Guns Tournament last year. Nothing like getting smoked and/or upset at your own tournament. Wait, results don't matter, only the name on your jersey does: sounds like comments you hear during the last days of an empire or dynasty. College coaches may be a little slow but they'll get the memo soon enough.

College coaches do not care if the club is good or bad. They care if the kids can play for them. The Crabs can go 0-100 and they still will have the kids at the correct tournaments playing in front of the correct college coaches. The wins make mom and dad feel better with paying $2500 a summer.

12.5 scholarships per team. Money split up. Your kid may be the best kid so he will get .5 scholarship which can account for very little. Better pay the money on a tutor and get merit. Much better ROI. #Truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why has Mr. Crab Nation!!!! been so quiet lately? Finally check himself into rehab?

Easy there girl.. Your eyes are green with Envy

Exactly the color of RM's eyes when the Hawks were rolling up titles at the Young Guns Tournament last year. Nothing like getting smoked and/or upset at your own tournament. Wait, results don't matter, only the name on your jersey does: sounds like comments you hear during the last days of an empire or dynasty. College coaches may be a little slow but they'll get the memo soon enough.

College coaches do not care if the club is good or bad. They care if the kids can play for them. The Crabs can go 0-100 and they still will have the kids at the correct tournaments playing in front of the correct college coaches. The wins make mom and dad feel better with paying $2500 a summer.

Sure college coaches love to waster their time watching bad teams...LOL, keep living in the past. Lacrosse is going the way of football and hoops: film, combines and showcase camps, sure playing on a good AAU team will get you eyeballs but only if you're on a good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

12.5 scholarships per team. Money split up. Your kid may be the best kid so he will get .5 scholarship which can account for very little. Better pay the money on a tutor and get merit. Much better ROI. #Truth.

Well stated. Applying this logic -- and it is indeed logical -- your son can play for the legendary Richie Meade at Furman University and in the SoCon for a mere $31,000 per year; assuming he does indeed get even a .5 scholarship. But, parents keeping the dream alive -- in their minds. Oh, don't forget the travel costs to and from games, as well as for your scholar athlete to return home on occasion.

"Tuition and fees at Furman University are $46,012 USD without financial aid. With room, board, and other fees combined, total cost of attendance is $60,714 USD."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

12.5 scholarships per team. Money split up. Your kid may be the best kid so he will get .5 scholarship which can account for very little. Better pay the money on a tutor and get merit. Much better ROI. #Truth.

Well stated. Applying this logic -- and it is indeed logical -- your son can play for the legendary Richie Meade at Furman University and in the SoCon for a mere $31,000 per year; assuming he does indeed get even a .5 scholarship. But, parents keeping the dream alive -- in their minds. Oh, don't forget the travel costs to and from games, as well as for your scholar athlete to return home on occasion.

"Tuition and fees at Furman University are $46,012 USD without financial aid. With room, board, and other fees combined, total cost of attendance is $60,714 USD."

Yea..but just think,,You get to tell everyone junior got an offer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why has Mr. Crab Nation!!!! been so quiet lately? Finally check himself into rehab?

Easy there girl.. Your eyes are green with Envy

Exactly the color of RM's eyes when the Hawks were rolling up titles at the Young Guns Tournament last year. Nothing like getting smoked and/or upset at your own tournament. Wait, results don't matter, only the name on your jersey does: sounds like comments you hear during the last days of an empire or dynasty. College coaches may be a little slow but they'll get the memo soon enough.

College coaches do not care if the club is good or bad. They care if the kids can play for them. The Crabs can go 0-100 and they still will have the kids at the correct tournaments playing in front of the correct college coaches. The wins make mom and dad feel better with paying $2500 a summer.

Sure college coaches love to waster their time watching bad teams...LOL, keep living in the past. Lacrosse is going the way of football and hoops: film, combines and showcase camps, sure playing on a good AAU team will get you eyeballs but only if you're on a good team.

You my friend are a [ChillLaxin] ask any college coach what any club teams record is and how many tournaments they have won? They will laugh at you. They never even stay for the whole game they mostly watch a half and then go watch another half of another game. And at most tournaments with a winner and a championship game the coaches leave before this game is even played. The showcases with a all-star game do have lots of coaches but that is because they get to pick the kids in the game and they get to see the kid they came to see play another game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why has Mr. Crab Nation!!!! been so quiet lately? Finally check himself into rehab?

Easy there girl.. Your eyes are green with Envy

Exactly the color of RM's eyes when the Hawks were rolling up titles at the Young Guns Tournament last year. Nothing like getting smoked and/or upset at your own tournament. Wait, results don't matter, only the name on your jersey does: sounds like comments you hear during the last days of an empire or dynasty. College coaches may be a little slow but they'll get the memo soon enough.

College coaches do not care if the club is good or bad. They care if the kids can play for them. The Crabs can go 0-100 and they still will have the kids at the correct tournaments playing in front of the correct college coaches. The wins make mom and dad feel better with paying $2500 a summer.

Sure college coaches love to waster their time watching bad teams...LOL, keep living in the past. Lacrosse is going the way of football and hoops: film, combines and showcase camps, sure playing on a good AAU team will get you eyeballs but only if you're on a good team.

Ask yourself this question. If your son play Goalie or D-pole and your team has the best Faceoff guy and a great O. And you win tons of tournaments. Is this good for your son?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why has Mr. Crab Nation!!!! been so quiet lately? Finally check himself into rehab?

Easy there girl.. Your eyes are green with Envy

Exactly the color of RM's eyes when the Hawks were rolling up titles at the Young Guns Tournament last year. Nothing like getting smoked and/or upset at your own tournament. Wait, results don't matter, only the name on your jersey does: sounds like comments you hear during the last days of an empire or dynasty. College coaches may be a little slow but they'll get the memo soon enough.

College coaches do not care if the club is good or bad. They care if the kids can play for them. The Crabs can go 0-100 and they still will have the kids at the correct tournaments playing in front of the correct college coaches. The wins make mom and dad feel better with paying $2500 a summer.

Sure college coaches love to waster their time watching bad teams...LOL, keep living in the past. Lacrosse is going the way of football and hoops: film, combines and showcase camps, sure playing on a good AAU team will get you eyeballs but only if you're on a good team.

Ask yourself this question. If your son play Goalie or D-pole and your team has the best Faceoff guy and a great O. And you win tons of tournaments. Is this good for your son?

Great point. Close D and goalie: you don't want to play for a dominant team. LSM (assuming you're running the wing), Fogo, middie and attack, yes.

Where will the Crabs 2022, 23 and 24 teams end up this year? Looking at the upcoming high school club pipeline in MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where will the Crabs 2022, 23 and 24 teams end up this year? Looking at the upcoming high school club pipeline in MD.

At or near the top as they always do. HS pipeline is well with the Crabs and their holdback machine..or if you prefer prefirst/reclass machine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where will the Crabs 2022, 23 and 24 teams end up this year? Looking at the upcoming high school club pipeline in MD.

At or near the top as they always do. HS pipeline is well with the Crabs and their holdback machine..or if you prefer prefirst/reclass machine

Didn't we set up forum for you holdback whiners? No one wants to hear your self serving babbling.

2024 Crabs were winless in HoCo last spring. I’m sure they are better this year but they have a long ways to go to be at/near the top.

They will win a couple this year in the 2026 division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where will the Crabs 2022, 23 and 24 teams end up this year? Looking at the upcoming high school club pipeline in MD.

At or near the top as they always do. HS pipeline is well with the Crabs and their holdback machine..or if you prefer prefirst/reclass machine

Didn't we set up forum for you holdback whiners? No one wants to hear your self serving babbling.

I guess I hit a nerve,

Is Crabs Young Guns any good at the 2025 level? It showed up on our tournament schedule. Don't play for Crabs and don't live in MD. With all the NLF events wasn't sure if this was still any good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where will the Crabs 2022, 23 and 24 teams end up this year? Looking at the upcoming high school club pipeline in MD.

At or near the top as they always do. HS pipeline is well with the Crabs and their holdback machine..or if you prefer prefirst/reclass machine

Didn't we set up forum for you holdback whiners? No one wants to hear your self serving babbling.

I guess I hit a nerve,

Not a Crab parent, just tired of your incessant trolling. Cry to someone who cares.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Crabs Young Guns any good at the 2025 level? It showed up on our tournament schedule. Don't play for Crabs and don't live in MD. With all the NLF events wasn't sure if this was still any good.

Yes its a good tournament. Every year at every age. Its worth going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where will the Crabs 2022, 23 and 24 teams end up this year? Looking at the upcoming high school club pipeline in MD.

At or near the top as they always do. HS pipeline is well with the Crabs and their holdback machine..or if you prefer prefirst/reclass machine

Didn't we set up forum for you holdback whiners? No one wants to hear your self serving babbling.

I guess I hit a nerve,

Not a Crab parent, just tired of your incessant trolling. Cry to someone who cares.....

Yep. Hit a nerve. Its ok..many play their son down ..

Any insight as to what is going on with the Crabs 2023 team? They were the best team in the country 2 years running and this year have lost the first two games of the HOCO League and play Looney's Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any insight as to what is going on with the Crabs 2023 team? They were the best team in the country 2 years running and this year have lost the first two games of the HOCO League and play Looney's Sunday.

You're just stirring the pot right? This has been discussed ad nauseam on here.

agree trolling.. Not sure what has happened to 2023 but they will figure it out. Unfortunately the looney's 2023 is legit and will probably win HOCO they are big and skilled.

Not a Crabs parent, but I heard 2023 lost a lot of players from last year - not sure of the reason. Overall they are clearly weaker this year but I'm sure they will improve throughout the season. Looney's, FCA and Team 91 the biggest benefactors of the exodus so other teams got stronger at the same time Crabs got weaker.

The winning coaches and players left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a Crabs parent, but I heard 2023 lost a lot of players from last year - not sure of the reason. Overall they are clearly weaker this year but I'm sure they will improve throughout the season. Looney's, FCA and Team 91 the biggest benefactors of the exodus so other teams got stronger at the same time Crabs got weaker.

How is 91 among the biggest benefactors of the Crabs exodus? It will loose by 2 instead of 10 goals? It got one player, who was not a starter for Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a Crabs parent, but I heard 2023 lost a lot of players from last year - not sure of the reason. Overall they are clearly weaker this year but I'm sure they will improve throughout the season. Looney's, FCA and Team 91 the biggest benefactors of the exodus so other teams got stronger at the same time Crabs got weaker.

Crabs always improve in the 8th grade division. Does anyone even have to guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a Crabs parent, but I heard 2023 lost a lot of players from last year - not sure of the reason. Overall they are clearly weaker this year but I'm sure they will improve throughout the season. Looney's, FCA and Team 91 the biggest benefactors of the exodus so other teams got stronger at the same time Crabs got weaker.

Crabs always improve in the 8th grade division. Does anyone even have to guess.

Funny that's not happening in the 2022s, about where they were last year in the standings.

When are tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are tryouts?

IDK.

Who are the coaches of the respective Crabs teams this year? Any grades worthwhile or to avoid? The ones listed on the website seem old and out of date. Communication doesn’t seem like a strong suit of the crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches of the respective Crabs teams this year? Any grades worthwhile or to avoid? The ones listed on the website seem old and out of date. Communication doesn’t seem like a strong suit of the crabs.

holdbacks are though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches of the respective Crabs teams this year? Any grades worthwhile or to avoid? The ones listed on the website seem old and out of date. Communication doesn’t seem like a strong suit of the crabs.

holdbacks are though.

A few but nowhere near the number on the Hawks, especially the 2022 team, thanks to lids. Deny all you want, it will not change the fact nor make it go waay. I sure hope lids son get the proper training at USNA and out of the grips of his father. That young man has to learn to make opportunities for himself, not have his father make it happen thru whatever means necessary. Lids needs to bak off his son and the Hawks and Spaulding, he is doing damage to each and no one is taking notice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches of the respective Crabs teams this year? Any grades worthwhile or to avoid? The ones listed on the website seem old and out of date. Communication doesn’t seem like a strong suit of the crabs.

Communication has never been important to Crabs. They are best of the best and have no rivals. Easy to be like they are.

So who are the coaches?
Don't want to pay for tryouts and then find out the team has a mediocre coach.
Trying to avoid one guy in particular.

What team are you trying out for? Then I can tell u the coach

I have kids who are 26, 27 and 28.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have kids who are 26, 27 and 28.

26, 27, & 28 still playing Crabs....not surprising in the least!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have kids who are 26, 27 and 28.

26, 27, & 28 still playing Crabs....not surprising in the least!

Can anyone translate?

26- John Kaestner
27- John Kenneally
28- Ryan Smith

https://www.crabslax.com/ContentGeneral.aspx?ContentKey=TryoutsCrabs

So why would I leave my rec sponsored team for this?

“WE PLAN TO FIELD AA TEAMS AT EACH LEVEL AND WILL CONSIDER FIELDING A SECOND SINGLE A TEAM AT EACH LEVEL AS WELL IF NUMBERS ALLOW. TEAMS WILL COMPETE IN THE HOCO CLUB LEAGUE.”

And who are some of these coaches?

Crabs have slipped a little. Hawks are eating their lunch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have slipped a little. Hawks are eating their lunch.

Some, but Crabs are still the envy of most clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some, but Crabs are still the envy of most clubs.

Gluttony is the deadly sin that is more applicable here.

I hear stuff like this all the time, posted about a lot of clubs.

So- Why? Any meat to that sandwich? Lots of options in Baltimore lax these days. Seems like the Hawks, 91 and a couple others are outperforming the crabs these days.

Not a crabs Dan but look at the list of commits on website. Pretty impressive

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have slipped a little. Hawks are eating their lunch.

Some, but Crabs are still the envy of most clubs.

Some, definitely not most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have slipped a little. Hawks are eating their lunch.

Some, but Crabs are still the envy of most clubs.

Some, definitely not most.

Crabs are advertising like crazy on facebook and instagram to get kids in. That would have never happened a couple years ago.

Ok, you mean for high school. I can see that.

I was talking about elementary/middle school. Seems like there are better options out there for youth ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear stuff like this all the time, posted about a lot of clubs.

So- Why? Any meat to that sandwich? Lots of options in Baltimore lax these days. Seems like the Hawks, 91 and a couple others are outperforming the crabs these days.

FCA is having a mass exodus heading to Crabs this year. You do the Math

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear stuff like this all the time, posted about a lot of clubs.

So- Why? Any meat to that sandwich? Lots of options in Baltimore lax these days. Seems like the Hawks, 91 and a couple others are outperforming the crabs these days.

FCA is having a mass exodus heading to Crabs this year. You do the Math

Define 'mass'. Since only one of the last three matches have been much of game between the two clubs at the 25 level, why would any FCA player leave a club that wins for another that lost to a b-level Carolina team and Green Turtle team in the past few weeks. I just don't buy it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches of the respective Crabs teams this year? Any grades worthwhile or to avoid? The ones listed on the website seem old and out of date. Communication doesn’t seem like a strong suit of the crabs.

Communication has never been important to Crabs. They are best of the best and have no rivals. Easy to be like they are.

Maybe they used to be, not anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear stuff like this all the time, posted about a lot of clubs.

So- Why? Any meat to that sandwich? Lots of options in Baltimore lax these days. Seems like the Hawks, 91 and a couple others are outperforming the crabs these days.

FCA is having a mass exodus heading to Crabs this year. You do the Math

Define 'mass'. Since only one of the last three matches have been much of game between the two clubs at the 25 level, why would any FCA player leave a club that wins for another that lost to a b-level Carolina team and Green Turtle team in the past few weeks. I just don't buy it.

FCA dad,

Little Butchie’s FCA team lost to Crabs this year -right?
And didn’t FCA finish below Crabs in the HOCO standings?

Hmmmm…. You probably should consider buying it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear stuff like this all the time, posted about a lot of clubs.

So- Why? Any meat to that sandwich? Lots of options in Baltimore lax these days. Seems like the Hawks, 91 and a couple others are outperforming the crabs these days.

FCA is having a mass exodus heading to Crabs this year. You do the Math

Define 'mass'. Since only one of the last three matches have been much of game between the two clubs at the 25 level, why would any FCA player leave a club that wins for another that lost to a b-level Carolina team and Green Turtle team in the past few weeks. I just don't buy it.

FCA dad,

Little Butchie’s FCA team lost to Crabs this year -right?
And didn’t FCA finish below Crabs in the HOCO standings?

Hmmmm…. You probably should consider buying it!

FCA is remodeled and it showed at NAL. Few upcoming decisions and this team is high cvaliber and not to be taken light.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear stuff like this all the time, posted about a lot of clubs.

So- Why? Any meat to that sandwich? Lots of options in Baltimore lax these days. Seems like the Hawks, 91 and a couple others are outperforming the crabs these days.

FCA is having a mass exodus heading to Crabs this year. You do the Math

Define 'mass'. Since only one of the last three matches have been much of game between the two clubs at the 25 level, why would any FCA player leave a club that wins for another that lost to a b-level Carolina team and Green Turtle team in the past few weeks. I just don't buy it.

FCA dad,

Little Butchie’s FCA team lost to Crabs this year -right?
And didn’t FCA finish below Crabs in the HOCO standings?

Hmmmm…. You probably should consider buying it!

FCA is remodeled and it showed at NAL. Few upcoming decisions and this team is high cvaliber and not to be taken light.

What age group are we talking about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear stuff like this all the time, posted about a lot of clubs.

So- Why? Any meat to that sandwich? Lots of options in Baltimore lax these days. Seems like the Hawks, 91 and a couple others are outperforming the crabs these days.

FCA is having a mass exodus heading to Crabs this year. You do the Math

Define 'mass'. Since only one of the last three matches have been much of game between the two clubs at the 25 level, why would any FCA player leave a club that wins for another that lost to a b-level Carolina team and Green Turtle team in the past few weeks. I just don't buy it.

Crabs get stronger each year all the way thru HS. FCA has issues as they get older with a bias to you know who.

Get ready for the "POACHING EMAILS" from Crabs 2027 Coaches. Just received one for my son and I'm sure many others did as well.

Such a shame that Crabs feels the need to always stoop so low. Such a poor culture all around for theses kids and families. The sad part is that people buy into this BS. I was blind and did it with my older son, and then bam the high school teams came and all of a sudden we only had 6 players from the state of Maryland and bunch of "National Team" guys from all over. My 2027 will not be joining the Crabs or this coaching staff.

Hi *******,
Your son has been identified as a talented 2027 lacrosse player who would be a great addition to our Crabs 2027 lacrosse team. This is a personal invitation to be part of a very special team that will be coached by John Kenneally and Dan LaMonica.
Our 7th grade team is a practice first team and we believe in player development and intense team training. Our team will work hard both in the quantity and quality of practices. However, we believe in multi-sport athletes and that your son’s in season sport should come first. Starting with the last weekend in February, lacrosse becomes the in season sport and will then come first.
We run fast paced practices that are competitive and very instructional. When working with your son, we use the part to whole method of teaching the IQ side of lacrosse. Both of us are teachers of the game who will create a strong team culture and a great experience for your son. We are very positive, upbeat and focused on building your son’s skills and confidence.
This team will play in the Howard County Spring league at the top level. In addition, we will travel to at least 6 tournaments (including the Fall, Spring and Summer). We have had a lot of interest in our 2027 team and we anticipate that we will be a top team that will play in the most selective tournaments. If we are able to obtain some sponsors, we may travel to Lake Placid, Vail or Texas for a tournament. We will also schedule some play days and we will seek to play top teams who are in town over the year.
During the off season, we will practice once a week, typically on Sunday mornings (starting after Labor Day). Beginning with the last weekend of February, we will practice four times a week (typically, Sat, Sun, and two week nights) until games start in late March. Thereafter, we typically practice Sat, and two week nights with games on Sunday. Playing on a top club team is a big commitment and requires a significant level of dedication.
Although we are very interested in your son, Crabs has open try-outs for spots on our 2027 team on the following dates:
Tuesday July 13th 7PM to 8:30 PM@ RPCS Upper Turf
Thursday July 15th 7PM to 8:30 PM @ RPCS Upper Turf
We are sincerely interested in your son and we hope to see him at tryouts. Please go to https://crabslax.com/ to register for tryouts as soon as possible. If you have any questions please call John Kenneally @ 410-561-7051 (jkenneally@jlkcpas.com) or Dan LaMonica @ 443-615-0238 (dlamonica@belfastvalley.com).

P.S. If your son can only attend one of the tryouts, please let us know prior to July 13, 2021.

Thank you,

John Kenneally & Dan Lamonica

“ a b-level Carolina team”

I watched 91 CLT 2025 play three games at Crabfeast, including the Crabs game. I thought they were a very solid team. Was surprised they lost to mediocre VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get ready for the "POACHING EMAILS" from Crabs 2027 Coaches. Just received one for my son and I'm sure many others did as well.

Such a shame that Crabs feels the need to always stoop so low. Such a poor culture all around for theses kids and families. The sad part is that people buy into this BS. I was blind and did it with my older son, and then bam the high school teams came and all of a sudden we only had 6 players from the state of Maryland and bunch of "National Team" guys from all over. My 2027 will not be joining the Crabs or this coaching staff.

Hi *******,
Your son has been identified as a talented 2027 lacrosse player who would be a great addition to our Crabs 2027 lacrosse team. This is a personal invitation to be part of a very special team that will be coached by John Kenneally and Dan LaMonica.
Our 7th grade team is a practice first team and we believe in player development and intense team training. Our team will work hard both in the quantity and quality of practices. However, we believe in multi-sport athletes and that your son’s in season sport should come first. Starting with the last weekend in February, lacrosse becomes the in season sport and will then come first.
We run fast paced practices that are competitive and very instructional. When working with your son, we use the part to whole method of teaching the IQ side of lacrosse. Both of us are teachers of the game who will create a strong team culture and a great experience for your son. We are very positive, upbeat and focused on building your son’s skills and confidence.
This team will play in the Howard County Spring league at the top level. In addition, we will travel to at least 6 tournaments (including the Fall, Spring and Summer). We have had a lot of interest in our 2027 team and we anticipate that we will be a top team that will play in the most selective tournaments. If we are able to obtain some sponsors, we may travel to Lake Placid, Vail or Texas for a tournament. We will also schedule some play days and we will seek to play top teams who are in town over the year.
During the off season, we will practice once a week, typically on Sunday mornings (starting after Labor Day). Beginning with the last weekend of February, we will practice four times a week (typically, Sat, Sun, and two week nights) until games start in late March. Thereafter, we typically practice Sat, and two week nights with games on Sunday. Playing on a top club team is a big commitment and requires a significant level of dedication.
Although we are very interested in your son, Crabs has open try-outs for spots on our 2027 team on the following dates:
Tuesday July 13th 7PM to 8:30 PM@ RPCS Upper Turf
Thursday July 15th 7PM to 8:30 PM @ RPCS Upper Turf
We are sincerely interested in your son and we hope to see him at tryouts. Please go to https://crabslax.com/ to register for tryouts as soon as possible. If you have any questions please call John Kenneally @ 410-561-7051 (jkenneally@jlkcpas.com) or Dan LaMonica @ 443-615-0238 (dlamonica@belfastvalley.com).

P.S. If your son can only attend one of the tryouts, please let us know prior to July 13, 2021.

Thank you,

John Kenneally & Dan Lamonica

Same boilerplate message from every Club ?? Sorry you feel your son is not good enough but you seem to have found a good solution, tryout for another club with less talent. You might be less bitter now with that same reasoning for your older son, Sounds like Crabs was a reach talent wise.

It's a mass marketing email and reminder.
If you've ever registered for a Crabs event or tourney (previous tryouts, young guns, etc.) you got one of these.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a mass marketing email and reminder.
If you've ever registered for a Crabs event or tourney (previous tryouts, young guns, etc.) you got one of these.

Have literally received similar message from zingos, T91MD, TMD, Koopers and FCA just this week.

I received similar message from Team 91, Koopers, Blue Claws and HoCo.

Dan Lamonica is a horrible coach. Most of the time he is inebriated while coaching at YOUTH lacrosse tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dan L is a horrible coach.

Ok good idea who this is and probably narrow it down.
Number 1 choice - uncle fester that complained every game about his son playing time while also texting coaches during games
Number 2 choice- ladder dad that cares so much about his son he constantly yells at him and other kids on team.
Both are probably reasons that team is falling apart. Keep up the good work guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I received similar message from Team 91, Koopers, Blue Claws and HoCo.

B and C teams trying to snag other teams B and C level kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dan Lamonica is a horrible coach. Most of the time he is inebriated while coaching at YOUTH lacrosse tournaments.

Ok good idea who this is and probably narrow it down.
Number 1 choice - uncle fester that complained every game about his son playing time while also texting coaches during games
Number 2 choice- ladder dad that cares so much about his son he constantly yells at him and other kids on team.
Both are probably reasons that team is falling apart. Keep up the good work guys.

Doesn't matter who said - truth is the truth. Maybe he is one of the reasons the team is falling apart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dan Lamonica is a horrible coach. Most of the time he is inebriated while coaching at YOUTH lacrosse tournaments.

Ok good idea who this is and probably narrow it down.
Number 1 choice - uncle fester that complained every game about his son playing time while also texting coaches during games
Number 2 choice- ladder dad that cares so much about his son he constantly yells at him and other kids on team.
Both are probably reasons that team is falling apart. Keep up the good work guys.

Doesn't matter who said - truth is the truth. Maybe he is one of the reasons the team is falling apart.

Nobody can honestly believe anything on here. People just come here to anonymously talk trash on kids coaches and clubs. Sad people have nothing better to do with there time. They are exactly what’s wrong with youth sports. Bad parents ruin everything

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dan Lamonica is a horrible coach. Most of the time he is inebriated while coaching at YOUTH lacrosse tournaments.

Ok good idea who this is and probably narrow it down.
Number 1 choice - uncle fester that complained every game about his son playing time while also texting coaches during games
Number 2 choice- ladder dad that cares so much about his son he constantly yells at him and other kids on team.
Both are probably reasons that team is falling apart. Keep up the good work guys.

Doesn't matter who said - truth is the truth. Maybe he is one of the reasons the team is falling apart.

Before you or anyone else makes such statements why don't you find out the real reason(s) what is going on and exactly who is Dan L. My guess is that you nor anyone else who had something to say has a clue.
You are really all pathetic, get the correct actual facts and then speak, until then silence will serve you well..

That is correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dan Lamonica is a horrible coach. Most of the time he is inebriated while coaching at YOUTH lacrosse tournaments.

Ok good idea who this is and probably narrow it down.
Number 1 choice - uncle fester that complained every game about his son playing time while also texting coaches during games
Number 2 choice- ladder dad that cares so much about his son he constantly yells at him and other kids on team.
Both are probably reasons that team is falling apart. Keep up the good work guys.

Doesn't matter who said - truth is the truth. Maybe he is one of the reasons the team is falling apart.

Nobody can honestly believe anything on here. People just come here to anonymously talk trash on kids coaches and clubs. Sad people have nothing better to do with there time. They are exactly what’s wrong with youth sports. Bad parents ruin everything

Rumors, Innuendo and outright lies are what makes the world interesting here and around the world. Want the truth talk to a Politician or ( Put Any Profession here) Salesman.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dan Lamonica is a horrible coach. Most of the time he is inebriated while coaching at YOUTH lacrosse tournaments.

Ok good idea who this is and probably narrow it down.
Number 1 choice - uncle fester that complained every game about his son playing time while also texting coaches during games
Number 2 choice- ladder dad that cares so much about his son he constantly yells at him and other kids on team.
Both are probably reasons that team is falling apart. Keep up the good work guys.

Doesn't matter who said - truth is the truth. Maybe he is one of the reasons the team is falling apart.

Nobody can honestly believe anything on here. People just come here to anonymously talk trash on kids coaches and clubs. Sad people have nothing better to do with there time. They are exactly what’s wrong with youth sports. Bad parents ruin everything

Rumors, Innuendo and outright lies are what makes the world interesting here and around the world. Want the truth talk to a Politician or ( Put Any Profession here) Salesman.

Most of the stuff on here is just pot stirring. But I have seen first hand the intoxication of Dan L while coaching YOUTH sports. Perhaps that is what is also wrong with youth sports - bad coaches. But hey believe what you want. That’s the beauty of free speech and making your own decisions. My sympathy to the Crabs team next year. Hopefully he will have cleaned up his act by then

The other guy is senile.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dan Lamonica is a horrible coach. Most of the time he is inebriated while coaching at YOUTH lacrosse tournaments.

Ok good idea who this is and probably narrow it down.
Number 1 choice - uncle fester that complained every game about his son playing time while also texting coaches during games
Number 2 choice- ladder dad that cares so much about his son he constantly yells at him and other kids on team.
Both are probably reasons that team is falling apart. Keep up the good work guys.

Doesn't matter who said - truth is the truth. Maybe he is one of the reasons the team is falling apart.

Nobody can honestly believe anything on here. People just come here to anonymously talk trash on kids coaches and clubs. Sad people have nothing better to do with there time. They are exactly what’s wrong with youth sports. Bad parents ruin everything

Rumors, Innuendo and outright lies are what makes the world interesting here and around the world. Want the truth talk to a Politician or ( Put Any Profession here) Salesman.

Most of the stuff on here is just pot stirring. But I have seen first hand the intoxication of Dan L while coaching YOUTH sports. Perhaps that is what is also wrong with youth sports - bad coaches. But hey believe what you want. That’s the beauty of free speech and making your own decisions. My sympathy to the Crabs team next year. Hopefully he will have cleaned up his act by then

Best have proof. Because otherwise, this is a slam dunk Libel case if Dan wants to press charges against either of you.

King Crab taking over the 2026 team.......those poor kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab taking over the 2026 team.......those poor kids

Sure does appear that way; ton of talent at BL last night.

Out of curiosity, how many kids do Crabs teams turnover year over year?

How many of the returners are gonna get cut from the previous year?

Realistically? 3? 4? 5?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Out of curiosity, how many kids do Crabs teams turnover year over year?

How many of the returners are gonna get cut from the previous year?

Realistically? 3? 4? 5?

Interesting point; I guess it depends on how many are made offers. My guess at the 26 level it will be 5-6 based on the kids that were there not wearing yellow helmets.

At the '27 tryouts there were 20 yellow helmets, 55 kids total.
So that would be 35 kids fighting for 4 spots. Maybe.
Because it appears there have already been some arrangements with 1-2 kids so probably just 2-3 open roster spots, if that.

King Crab building a dynasty at 26?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the '27 tryouts there were 20 yellow helmets, 55 kids total.
So that would be 35 kids fighting for 4 spots. Maybe.
Because it appears there have already been some arrangements with 1-2 kids so probably just 2-3 open roster spots, if that.

With the FCA 2027 coaches coming over to Crabs I would expect there to be a lot more arrangements than 1 -2 kids. There were at least 12 FCA kids trying out and one has to think they have an in. Especially the goalie spot. Doesn't matter how good those Crab goalies were - the FCA goalie will make it.

Heard FCA goalie may be going to Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab building a dynasty at 26?

There was a ton of talent on that field last night!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the '27 tryouts there were 20 yellow helmets, 55 kids total.
So that would be 35 kids fighting for 4 spots. Maybe.
Because it appears there have already been some arrangements with 1-2 kids so probably just 2-3 open roster spots, if that.

Word is that the prior head coach from 27s is moving to Preds and working hard to get a group to go with him, so may be some more open spots than expected.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the '27 tryouts there were 20 yellow helmets, 55 kids total.
So that would be 35 kids fighting for 4 spots. Maybe.
Because it appears there have already been some arrangements with 1-2 kids so probably just 2-3 open roster spots, if that.

Word is that the prior head coach from 27s is moving to Preds and working hard to get a group to go with him, so may be some more open spots than expected.

Predators are going to be force to contend with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the '27 tryouts there were 20 yellow helmets, 55 kids total.
So that would be 35 kids fighting for 4 spots. Maybe.
Because it appears there have already been some arrangements with 1-2 kids so probably just 2-3 open roster spots, if that.

Word is that the prior head coach from 27s is moving to Preds and working hard to get a group to go with him, so may be some more open spots than expected.

Predators are going to be force to contend with

I can’t see them making much noise next year, but with the SP connection I’m sure they’ll be descent in the future…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard FCA goalie may be going to Hawks.

He was at Crabs tryouts tonight

Any insight for the 25’s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any insight for the 25’s?

They’re all on the 26s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any insight for the 25’s?

How many kids are they taking for the 25 age group? 1-2 new players? More?

Probably more. 2 starters are moving to Team 91

Where do they post the rosters?
Email Or website?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably more. 2 starters are moving to Team 91

Writing was on the wall; time to move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably more. 2 starters are moving to Team 91

Writing was on the wall; time to move on

Heard just the opposite. 91 losing several players to Crabs and Hawks. Whats going on there ?

Not many 91 helmets at Crabs tryouts this week. A few, but not a lot.
Way more FCA helmets.
The reshuffling of the deck each year is just kinda boring, IMO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably more. 2 starters are moving to Team 91

Writing was on the wall; time to move on

Heard just the opposite. 91 losing several players to Crabs and Hawks. Whats going on there ?

Is Hogan going to get rid of the 5 DAD coaches for the Hawks 2025 team and bring in outside coaches. Hogan will not give answers to this question

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably more. 2 starters are moving to Team 91

Writing was on the wall; time to move on

Heard just the opposite. 91 losing several players to Crabs and Hawks. Whats going on there ?

Is Hogan going to get rid of the 5 DAD coaches for the Hawks 2025 team and bring in outside coaches. Hogan will not give answers to this question

If Hogan won’t give you answers, you won’t find legit answers here.

The answer = No.

You're not gonna get away from Dad coaches, ANYWHERE. At any level.

Duke and Syracuse had Dad coaches.

Does 2025 coach have a son on the team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does 2025 coach have a son on the team?

For Hawks? Yes the coaches all have their sons on the team. Crabs coaches No idea, was wondering who the new coaches will be.

Looneys got rid of all dad coaches at 2025, hopefully it will be a good move for them. Crabs coach is Sal Picataggi?

Crabs doesn't have a son's coach on the team, but it might as well be since a son's dad employs one of the Crabs coaches at their day jobs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs doesn't have a son's coach on the team, but it might as well be since a son's dad employs one of the Crabs coaches at their day jobs.

Are we talking about the 2027 team here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does 2025 coach have a son on the team?

For Hawks? Yes the coaches all have their sons on the team. Crabs coaches No idea, was wondering who the new coaches will be.

They didn’t release the names of coaches for 25s before tryouts and expect families to commit? Or did I read that wrong?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does 2025 coach have a son on the team?

For Hawks? Yes the coaches all have their sons on the team. Crabs coaches No idea, was wondering who the new coaches will be.

They didn’t release the names of coaches for 25s before tryouts and expect families to commit? Or did I read that wrong?

Its the Crabs,,That is all you need to know.

No. Crabs 2025 has McD assistant lacrosse coach as the new head coach. Crabs 2025 is changing head coaches for this class again. He's currently the Crabs 2022 head coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Crabs 2025 has McD assistant lacrosse coach as the new head coach. Crabs 2025 is changing head coaches for this class again. He's currently the Crabs 2022 head coach.

Improvement

In my experience the "right Dad" coaches are way better than non-Dad coaches. The "wrong Dad" coaches are detrimental to any team. If you get the right Dad coach he will put in way more time and effort than any non-Dad coach around. Just look at teams with non-Dad coaches and how often they skip practice because of the threat of rain, Coach goes on vacation during a big tournament, etc. The right Dad coach is way more invested and will produce great results as long as he doesn't put his son ahead of the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my experience the "right Dad" coaches are way better than non-Dad coaches. The "wrong Dad" coaches are detrimental to any team. If you get the right Dad coach he will put in way more time and effort than any non-Dad coach around. Just look at teams with non-Dad coaches and how often they skip practice because of the threat of rain, Coach goes on vacation during a big tournament, etc. The right Dad coach is way more invested and will produce great results as long as he doesn't put his son ahead of the team.

See MM at 91..........

I think you are 100% right. The biggest challenge is that you won't know if you have the "right Dad Coach", until your knee deep in it. You can always ask around, but not easy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my experience the "right Dad" coaches are way better than non-Dad coaches. The "wrong Dad" coaches are detrimental to any team. If you get the right Dad coach he will put in way more time and effort than any non-Dad coach around. Just look at teams with non-Dad coaches and how often they skip practice because of the threat of rain, Coach goes on vacation during a big tournament, etc. The right Dad coach is way more invested and will produce great results as long as he doesn't put his son ahead of the team.

+1
100% accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my experience the "right Dad" coaches are way better than non-Dad coaches. The "wrong Dad" coaches are detrimental to any team. If you get the right Dad coach he will put in way more time and effort than any non-Dad coach around. Just look at teams with non-Dad coaches and how often they skip practice because of the threat of rain, Coach goes on vacation during a big tournament, etc. The right Dad coach is way more invested and will produce great results as long as he doesn't put his son ahead of the team.

See MM at 91..........

Best Coach around at present time. Legend .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my experience the "right Dad" coaches are way better than non-Dad coaches. The "wrong Dad" coaches are detrimental to any team. If you get the right Dad coach he will put in way more time and effort than any non-Dad coach around. Just look at teams with non-Dad coaches and how often they skip practice because of the threat of rain, Coach goes on vacation during a big tournament, etc. The right Dad coach is way more invested and will produce great results as long as he doesn't put his son ahead of the team.

See MM at 91..........

Best Coach around at present time. Legend .

Legend????? Billy the Kid, Bonny and Clyde were also legends but for the wrong reasons. If you think MM is a legend it is for the wrong reasons.. He is at times psyco, most of the time out of control and his kid ALWAYS comes first. He is rude, foul mouth and just cares about how his kids do and how much $ is rolling in. Why people stand up for him is beyond most of the stable lacrosse community. If you want to subject your child to that nasty enviroment don't say you were not warned.

Does anyone know anything about the Crabs 25 tryouts? Scuttle from another family suggesting mass exodus of top players. Can anyone confirm?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about the Crabs 25 tryouts? Scuttle from another family suggesting mass exodus of top players. Can anyone confirm?

Half are already playing on the 26 team lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about the Crabs 25 tryouts? Scuttle from another family suggesting mass exodus of top players. Can anyone confirm?

No mass exodus. Just a large reclass this year. 8th grade is the last chance for reclass generally. By this time unless your child was born Sept-Oct you are tired of your child competing against older players. .. Time to reclass like the rest and get a automatic year added to your skill level . It does work.

This is just flat out wrong. 6-8 are leaving and only one is a reclass, and they are all going to better teams including the #1 team for this age group.

Why does anyone care about this team, really? They are horrible outside of 5-6 good players.

Are those 5-6 "good" players the ones leaving? Am guessing, yes. Roll 91

Out of staters are coming in to fill the "new building" on Lake Avenue campus and being placed on Crabs teams regardless of talent. Be careful having your middle/high school son tryout here. There is no loyalty. Florida, Texas & California kids are coming and have been coming for several years-but the pace is picking up to fill the new digs....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about the Crabs 25 tryouts? Scuttle from another family suggesting mass exodus of top players. Can anyone confirm?

No mass exodus. Just a large reclass this year. 8th grade is the last chance for reclass generally. By this time unless your child was born Sept-Oct you are tired of your child competing against older players. .. Time to reclass like the rest and get a automatic year added to your skill level . It does work.

Tell that to the 2024 91 Wolfpack parents because they just won the Biggest prize in club lacrosse, the NLF National Championship in Amherst, this past weekend, without a single holdback… against all of the pure-holdback teams. They’ve never had one holdback. Not even one. Never. Legacy Taz too. None. Remember Naptown?? Yup. Taz beat all of the holdback teams with… NO holdbacks. Both teams have been beating up on all the holdback teams every year for the past 8 years. What you got to say about that, holdback-preacher-parent? I’ll wait…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about the Crabs 25 tryouts? Scuttle from another family suggesting mass exodus of top players. Can anyone confirm?

No mass exodus. Just a large reclass this year. 8th grade is the last chance for reclass generally. By this time unless your child was born Sept-Oct you are tired of your child competing against older players. .. Time to reclass like the rest and get a automatic year added to your skill level . It does work.

Tell that to the 2024 91 Wolfpack parents because they just won the Biggest prize in club lacrosse, the NLF National Championship in Amherst, this past weekend, without a single holdback… against all of the pure-holdback teams. They’ve never had one holdback. Not even one. Never. Legacy Taz too. None. Remember Naptown?? Yup. Taz beat all of the holdback teams with… NO holdbacks. Both teams have been beating up on all the holdback teams every year for the past 8 years. What you got to say about that, holdback-preacher-parent? I’ll wait…

That's what the 91 Smash parents said about their team, no holdbacks. When Inside Lacrosse published birthdates, they had "older" kids. Call them what you will, but Long Island had as many older kids as MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about the Crabs 25 tryouts? Scuttle from another family suggesting mass exodus of top players. Can anyone confirm?

No mass exodus. Just a large reclass this year. 8th grade is the last chance for reclass generally. By this time unless your child was born Sept-Oct you are tired of your child competing against older players. .. Time to reclass like the rest and get a automatic year added to your skill level . It does work.

Tell that to the 2024 91 Wolfpack parents because they just won the Biggest prize in club lacrosse, the NLF National Championship in Amherst, this past weekend, without a single holdback… against all of the pure-holdback teams. They’ve never had one holdback. Not even one. Never. Legacy Taz too. None. Remember Naptown?? Yup. Taz beat all of the holdback teams with… NO holdbacks. Both teams have been beating up on all the holdback teams every year for the past 8 years. What you got to say about that, holdback-preacher-parent? I’ll wait…

You live on Long Island and no one can afford an extra year. The cost of living is out of control and your kids don't want to spend another year at home with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Out of staters are coming in to fill the "new building" on Lake Avenue campus and being placed on Crabs teams regardless of talent. Be careful having your middle/high school son tryout here. There is no loyalty. Florida, Texas & California kids are coming and have been coming for several years-but the pace is picking up to fill the new digs....

I guess it times for the boys to work harder to achieve goals. I know crazy concept; have to work to keep your spot.

Long Island kids are only recruited because they qualify for financial aid and don’t need scholarship money. The private school kids get the team scholarship money because they come from a much more affluent family.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about the Crabs 25 tryouts? Scuttle from another family suggesting mass exodus of top players. Can anyone confirm?

Half are already playing on the 26 team lol

HILARIOUS

How many Crab yellow helmets showing up to FCA and 91 try-outs this week?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many Crab yellow helmets showing up to FCA and 91 try-outs this week?

3-4 at each age group. Tops

3-4 at FCA. Zero at 91

That’s because none of them would make the 2025 91 team they literally don’t need to add at any position - keep chasing….

Heard from a Crabs 2025 parent that at least 13 kids are leaving (some cut, some moving on to other teams). Maybe more…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard from a Crabs 2025 parent that at least 13 kids are leaving (some cut, some moving on to other teams). Maybe more…

Most are reclassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard from a Crabs 2025 parent that at least 13 kids are leaving (some cut, some moving on to other teams). Maybe more…

Most are reclassing.

Not true. Just BotC bs.

Trying to sow false discontent and hope people get happy feet to knock off the kings. Ain't gonna happen.

More like 14 or15 leaving out of 27 or 28. No one reclassing. Some of the kids moves are high school lacrosse-related. About a third are going to really good teams. So, can only be considered a loss. Whatevers going on, sounds like turmoil

Turmoil indeed. Most rising 9th grade teams are only looking for a handful of players, not saying goodbye to approximately 15 players. No reclass going on. Owner never paid this class any attention, now he is by blowing it up. Spots will get filled by some locals and out of state players. This is the pattern there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard from a Crabs 2025 parent that at least 13 kids are leaving (some cut, some moving on to other teams). Maybe more…

Most are reclassing.

Not true. Just BotC bs.

Trying to sow false discontent and hope people get happy feet to knock off the kings. Ain't gonna happen.

True. Hope this year they at least change their jersey numbers so its not as obvious as last year.

Lots of free jersey numbers should be available there at Crabs on that 2025 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard from a Crabs 2025 parent that at least 13 kids are leaving (some cut, some moving on to other teams). Maybe more…

Most are reclassing.

Not true. Just BotC bs.

Trying to sow false discontent and hope people get happy feet to knock off the kings. Ain't gonna happen.

Yes True, holdback Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More like 14 or15 leaving out of 27 or 28. No one reclassing. Some of the kids moves are high school lacrosse-related. About a third are going to really good teams. So, can only be considered a loss. Whatevers going on, sounds like turmoil

Heard Predators are getting a bunch.

Crabs = D1 commitment or 11th grade Burnout.
Enjoy playing 1 sport thru high school.

27/28 parents…don’t listen to anything you read here. Tryout for a couple teams and pick the one that is fun and your son has friends on. Stick with them don’t bounce around, it’s a waste of time. Make it convenient to your family and it will work out. None of this BS matters . If he’s good he’ll rise to the occasion. If not he had fun with his friends and hopefully you as parents made a couple friends along the way. High schools don’t care where you played, how many HOCO wins or tournament trophies some coach is hoarding in his man cave. It’s a game!!!

Yes! Bravo to this post. My kid is older now and playing top club lacrosse at a high level. I think the reason he has stayed passionate and committed to the sport is how he Began it and how much fun “he” originally had. He started on a very fun , “more casual” team and had the best time with his buddies there. We just did more outside training to help with the Lacrosse skills. What he got from those two years was invaluable and has made him the player who absolutely loves lacrosse today . I think parents mistake is making it way too serious too fast. You don’t have to start on “the most serious and best”… see how your son is developing as a player and what “his” commitment level to the sport is and go from there . Good Luck, have fun… life is way too short.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs = D1 commitment or 11th grade Burnout.
Enjoy playing 1 sport thru high school.

If a coach or team mandates that, you're at the wrong high school.
If you only play 1 sport, you're probably not a very good athlete. Or lacrosse player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes! Bravo to this post. My kid is older now and playing top club lacrosse at a high level. I think the reason he has stayed passionate and committed to the sport is how he Began it and how much fun “he” originally had. He started on a very fun , “more casual” team and had the best time with his buddies there. We just did more outside training to help with the Lacrosse skills. What he got from those two years was invaluable and has made him the player who absolutely loves lacrosse today . I think parents mistake is making it way too serious too fast. You don’t have to start on “the most serious and best”… see how your son is developing as a player and what “his” commitment level to the sport is and go from there . Good Luck, have fun… life is way too short.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

27/28 parents…don’t listen to anything you read here. Tryout for a couple teams and pick the one that is fun and your son has friends on. Stick with them don’t bounce around, it’s a waste of time. Make it convenient to your family and it will work out. None of this BS matters . If he’s good he’ll rise to the occasion. If not he had fun with his friends and hopefully you as parents made a couple friends along the way. High schools don’t care where you played, how many HOCO wins or tournament trophies some coach is hoarding in his man cave. It’s a game!!!

I agree probably the best thing I ever seen on here.

Hard to ignore the majority of a top level club team at any grade walking, but especially for a transition year to high school is just a huge egg on the face to King Crab.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to ignore the majority of a top level club team at any grade walking, but especially for a transition year to high school is just a huge egg on the face to King Crab.

Over half the team gone, several more undecided that will probably leave. Just an amazing amount of starters that declined the invitation to return-what does that say? None are holding back. Look for out of state players to come to Crabs and fill boarding school @ BL over time. There is motivation behind some of this "house cleaning" to make a "national team" and fill the boarding house. He really messed up by taking his eye off this team by not coaching them in 8th grade. The King sits on the board at the school and needs to deliver by hook or crook...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to ignore the majority of a top level club team at any grade walking, but especially for a transition year to high school is just a huge egg on the face to King Crab.

Over half the team gone, several more undecided that will probably leave. Just an amazing amount of starters that declined the invitation to return-what does that say? None are holding back. Look for out of state players to come to Crabs and fill boarding school @ BL over time. There is motivation behind some of this "house cleaning" to make a "national team" and fill the boarding house. He really messed up by taking his eye off this team by not coaching them in 8th grade. The King sits on the board at the school and needs to deliver by hook or crook...

No he didn't.... You knew who you were playing for when you signed up for Crabs... This is nothing new..... Crabs develops player for other organizations. They do this every year.....Should not be a suprise

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to ignore the majority of a top level club team at any grade walking, but especially for a transition year to high school is just a huge egg on the face to King Crab.

Over half the team gone, several more undecided that will probably leave. Just an amazing amount of starters that declined the invitation to return-what does that say? None are holding back. Look for out of state players to come to Crabs and fill boarding school @ BL over time. There is motivation behind some of this "house cleaning" to make a "national team" and fill the boarding house. He really messed up by taking his eye off this team by not coaching them in 8th grade. The King sits on the board at the school and needs to deliver by hook or crook...

No he didn't.... You knew who you were playing for when you signed up for Crabs... This is nothing new..... Crabs develops player for other organizations. They do this every year.....Should not be a suprise

Still the top brand in the area year in and out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to ignore the majority of a top level club team at any grade walking, but especially for a transition year to high school is just a huge egg on the face to King Crab.

Over half the team gone, several more undecided that will probably leave. Just an amazing amount of starters that declined the invitation to return-what does that say? None are holding back. Look for out of state players to come to Crabs and fill boarding school @ BL over time. There is motivation behind some of this "house cleaning" to make a "national team" and fill the boarding house. He really messed up by taking his eye off this team by not coaching them in 8th grade. The King sits on the board at the school and needs to deliver by hook or crook...

No he didn't.... You knew who you were playing for when you signed up for Crabs... This is nothing new..... Crabs develops player for other organizations. They do this every year.....Should not be a suprise

Completely agree they develop kids that move on... So do other clubs for that matter.... There is a cost to losing to much of any clubs talent that they develop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to ignore the majority of a top level club team at any grade walking, but especially for a transition year to high school is just a huge egg on the face to King Crab.

Over half the team gone, several more undecided that will probably leave. Just an amazing amount of starters that declined the invitation to return-what does that say? None are holding back. Look for out of state players to come to Crabs and fill boarding school @ BL over time. There is motivation behind some of this "house cleaning" to make a "national team" and fill the boarding house. He really messed up by taking his eye off this team by not coaching them in 8th grade. The King sits on the board at the school and needs to deliver by hook or crook...

No he didn't.... You knew who you were playing for when you signed up for Crabs... This is nothing new..... Crabs develops player for other organizations. They do this every year.....Should not be a suprise

Still the top brand in the area year in and out.

Hawks may disagree with that statement

Still top brand?
Please leave your ego at the door.
What grad years does crabs have a top team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still top brand?
Please leave your ego at the door.
What grad years does crabs have a top team?

None… even the vaunted 23’s were dismissed in the NLF quarterfinals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still top brand?
Please leave your ego at the door.
What grad years does crabs have a top team?

None… even the vaunted 23’s were dismissed in the NLF quarterfinals.

Say what you want, They are the envy of the Club Lacrosse World. Bar None. They arent losing , they are upgrading. Simple concept that many here cant see.

They were the envy 10.years ago in MD.

The 2025 Crabs team lost all its talent to superior clubs because management failed. Maybe Crab’s will acknowledge it but that 4-4 HoCo team in Elite just dropped to AAA or lower. Fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2025 Crabs team lost all its talent to superior clubs because management failed. Maybe Crab’s will acknowledge it but that 4-4 HoCo team in Elite just dropped to AAA or lower. Fact.

All of the Crabs 2025 talent is now on the 2026 team. Crabs need their holdbacks to be competitive.

No one on Crabs 2025 reclassed this year. Fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2025 Crabs team lost all its talent to superior clubs because management failed. Maybe Crab’s will acknowledge it but that 4-4 HoCo team in Elite just dropped to AAA or lower. Fact.

Management failed years ago, I've been tracking MD clubs since 2013. The Crustaceans have gotten weaker every year since 2014. Drinking the Cool Aid is not good for your mental health. Management is focused on monetizing the brand nationwide, not making the Baltimore franchise better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still top brand?
Please leave your ego at the door.
What grad years does crabs have a top team?

None… even the vaunted 23’s were dismissed in the NLF quarterfinals.

23’s are having a tough day at NAL also. Shows you that without good coaching the most talented (and older) teams don’t win. King Crab isn’t a good coach and doesn’t develop players. He just tries to find older kids and recruit them to his club. It works for a little bit - then the holdbacks lose their advantage and coaching makes the difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one on Crabs 2025 reclassed this year. Fact.

Hilarious...So not one Crab going from 8th to 9th grade reclassed. Talk about selling a bridge in Brooklyn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one on Crabs 2025 reclassed this year. Fact.

Hilarious...So not one Crab going from 8th to 9th grade reclassed. Talk about selling a bridge in Brooklyn.

-One more time(Hopefully the last) no player on Crabs 2025 reclassed to Crabs 2026 or to another teams 2026 team. Over, done, finished…. Actually that is a good thing for the sport.

Completely serious. Out of their 26 roster. Not one is dropping from the 2025s to the 2026s.

Most of boys going to 91 and FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one on Crabs 2025 reclassed this year. Fact.

Hilarious...So not one Crab going from 8th to 9th grade reclassed. Talk about selling a bridge in Brooklyn.

-One more time(Hopefully the last) no player on Crabs 2025 reclassed to Crabs 2026 or to another teams 2026 team. Over, done, finished…. Actually that is a good thing for the sport.

Since you are so in tune with them, does that mean they have very few holdbacks on their 2025 team from last year?

And remember a prefirst is a holdback just like a reclass is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of boys going to 91 and FCA

The ones who did not make the Crabs.

The Crabs already had tryouts, made offers and have their roster set.

FCA had tryouts a week later. 91 is this week, I believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one on Crabs 2025 reclassed this year. Fact.

Hilarious...So not one Crab going from 8th to 9th grade reclassed. Talk about selling a bridge in Brooklyn.

-One more time(Hopefully the last) no player on Crabs 2025 reclassed to Crabs 2026 or to another teams 2026 team. Over, done, finished…. Actually that is a good thing for the sport.

Since you are so in tune with them, does that mean they have very few holdbacks on their 2025 team from last year?

And remember a prefirst is a holdback just like a reclass is.

2 or 3. That team was by no means a holdback heavy team like others in the area. I clearly see “your” definition of holdback. Remember there are other reasons besides a reclass & prefirst. Some kids that go to public school start a year later when they are younger just because they might be very young in their class and there is no thought of lacrosse at age 6 and there is no prefirst in public school. So anyhow just be careful to lump all holdbacks the same way.

There was only one holdback on 20-21 2025 Crabs, but that was years ago for academics. Parents pulled their kids from Crabs because the club wasn't supporting the team or them as players. Our Team 91, and the other 2 or 3 higher ranked teams than Crabs where the kids are going will do both.

"and have their roster set"

HA!!!

to quote Crab Central - "If you know a super talented, committed athlete that might have interest please have them email me"

Definitely NOT set

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one on Crabs 2025 reclassed this year. Fact.

Hilarious...So not one Crab going from 8th to 9th grade reclassed. Talk about selling a bridge in Brooklyn.

-One more time(Hopefully the last) no player on Crabs 2025 reclassed to Crabs 2026 or to another teams 2026 team. Over, done, finished…. Actually that is a good thing for the sport.

Since you are so in tune with them, does that mean they have very few holdbacks on their 2025 team from last year?

And remember a prefirst is a holdback just like a reclass is.

2 or 3. That team was by no means a holdback heavy team like others in the area. I clearly see “your” definition of holdback. Remember there are other reasons besides a reclass & prefirst. Some kids that go to public school start a year later when they are younger just because they might be very young in their class and there is no thought of lacrosse at age 6 and there is no prefirst in public school. So anyhow just be careful to lump all holdbacks the same way.

Nothing to do with defination or reason any parent holds their child back. It is the parents right.

But make no mistake a prefirst is a holdback,,,,,,pure and simple. You may not like the holdback hung on the prefirst or late starter but that is what he is. Only difference is that he was held back in Kindergarten and the reclass was generally held back 6-8 grade.

Spin it any way you want, He is playing down just like the reclass. Every parent has a right to do what they want, Kindergarten or any other grade, but they all are getting an advantage other children arent with same exact birthdays.

Better rule would be to let everyone play down a year if you like, then when you get to 6-8th grade you can reclass in if you chose or not. Would make it a fairer system to me.

Or just play calendar year of birth. problem solved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"and have their roster set"

HA!!!

to quote Crab Central - "If you know a super talented, committed athlete that might have interest please have them email me"

Definitely NOT set

A current roster of 11 or 12 players is not a set roster. This will be an uphill battle-may never recover. King of the holdback “Mac” better start making the long distance calls to the emerging lax markets or he may lose some of the dozen left. Don’t forget to also sign them up for BL boarding at the same time. It’s a 2 for 1 deal…..

You are so full of garbage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so full of garbage

Easy there King Crab !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so full of garbage

No you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so full of garbage

Don’t come on this page with a comment from left field that you can’t backup. The roster count is accurate with a margin of error of one player either way as I write this. What King of the holdback “Mac” is doing as a trustee on the BL board of directors is also true. He is using Crabs as a vehicle to recruit kids to the school as the enrollment numbers have suffered. The boarding school is new and needs to be filled. It will be filled with athletes primarily(lax). If this is not the case than Mac can move move practices away from BL and leave the board and see what happens. The floor is yours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are so full of garbage

Don’t come on this page with a comment from left field that you can’t backup. The roster count is accurate with a margin of error of one player either way as I write this. What King of the holdback “Mac” is doing as a trustee on the BL board of directors is also true. He is using Crabs as a vehicle to recruit kids to the school as the enrollment numbers have suffered. The boarding school is new and needs to be filled. It will be filled with athletes primarily(lax). If this is not the case than Mac can move move practices away from BL and leave the board and see what happens. The floor is yours.

Mic Drops !

Agree. The 2025 Crabs was a solid team but most of its starting line-up is now gone to way better clubs. Two went to Team 91 (ranked #1), one to Hawks (ranked #9), two to DC Express (ranked #15) and two to FCA (ranked #18).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. The 2025 Crabs was a solid team but most of its starting line-up is now gone to way better clubs. Two went to Team 91 (ranked #1), one to Hawks (ranked #9), two to DC Express (ranked #15) and two to FCA (ranked #18).

You mean most dropped down to 2026. Keep it real.

Which Crabs teams are still looking for players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which Crabs teams are still looking for players?

If you have to ask, Crabs arent for you, Stay where you are, Iron Sharpens Iron.

26 needs players for their Hardshells team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

26 needs players for their Hardshells team.

Hardshells are always looking. Crabs not so much. They will take quality players if needed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

26 needs players for their Hardshells team.

Hardshells are always looking. Crabs not so much. They will take quality players if needed

From their 25 team 😆

Crabs 2025 is recruiting from Little Sisters of the Poor at this point. Fall season could be ugly. Not sure if all weekend practices with kids staying at Best Wrstern can help

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2025 is recruiting from Little Sisters of the Poor at this point. Fall season could be ugly. Not sure if all weekend practices with kids staying at Best Wrstern can help

They will dominate with the players that are there and coming

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2025 is recruiting from Little Sisters of the Poor at this point. Fall season could be ugly. Not sure if all weekend practices with kids staying at Best Western can help

They will dominate with the players that are there and coming

Just like they have over the past 2-3 years of mismanagement....

So no more Crabs 2025 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no more Crabs 2025 team?

It is a shadow of its former self. 16-17 kids gone. Anyone still there should be asking how do I get out this dumpster fire that Mac created. Did not play in NLF tourneys the past two years. No chance of playing being competitive in one next year…PLAYOFFS????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2025 is recruiting from Little Sisters of the Poor at this point. Fall season could be ugly. Not sure if all weekend practices with kids staying at Best Western can help

They will dominate with the players that are there and coming

Just like they have over the past 2-3 years of mismanagement....

Mac’s MO: if a team is good he champions them (in the case of the 2014 Crabs he also remained involved as a coach): if an age group falters he lets them fail: not exactly a turn around guy: more of a front runner. This is not new. Most lacrosse parents are lemmings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no more Crabs 2025 team?

It is a shadow of its former self. 16-17 kids gone. Anyone still there should be asking how do I get out this dumpster fire that Mac created. Did not play in NLF tourneys the past two years. No chance of playing being competitive in one next year…PLAYOFFS????

Still Bitter over your son getting cut. Look inward instead of playing blame game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs have gone to a graduation year model for their 2021 and 2020 teams

50% of their 2021 team is with players that have already been held back a year and would be playing U13, not U11

They should change their web page to say "Bigger, Faster, Stronger, Older"!!!!!!

Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2025 is recruiting from Little Sisters of the Poor at this point. Fall season could be ugly. Not sure if all weekend practices with kids staying at Best Western can help

They will dominate with the players that are there and coming

Just like they have over the past 2-3 years of mismanagement....

Mac’s MO: if a team is good he champions them (in the case of the 2014 Crabs he also remained involved as a coach): if an age group falters he lets them fail: not exactly a turn around guy: more of a front runner. This is not new. Most lacrosse parents are lemmings.

Great description of "holdback Mac". He is not a great game coach. Solid practice coach for sure. Does not make critical adjustments during games to zone in on certain players, schemes etc.. He needs the bigger, faster, stronger & older players from the start to be successful. Just look at 2023's this year.... He will struggle to turn around 2025 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no more Crabs 2025 team?

It is a shadow of its former self. 16-17 kids gone. Anyone still there should be asking how do I get out this dumpster fire that Mac created. Did not play in NLF tourneys the past two years. No chance of playing being competitive in one next year…PLAYOFFS????

Still Bitter over your son getting cut. Look inward instead of playing blame game.

You state a few simple facts on this page. Thanks.

2029 team isn't doing so hot either. Only have 12 kids. Most of the kids who left, left because of head coach. They went to 91 (4), FCA (6), Koopers (1). Heard there were yellow helmets at LTLC tryouts, too.

29 and younger is average at best. People aren't paying when they can get better, cheaper lax, closer to home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

29 and younger is average at best. People aren't paying when they can get better, cheaper lax, closer to home.

Crabs still the envy of players that arent on them,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

29 and younger is average at best. People aren't paying when they can get better, cheaper lax, closer to home.

Crabs still the envy of players that arent on them,

I don't think so. Take a gander:

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/boys21

2025 Crabs were .500 at 4-4. The 2026 team was their best at 6-1. Then there's nothing to be excited about:

2027 Crabs (3-4) were bad.

Sun Mar 21 L 9-10 FCA

Sun Mar 28 W 11-7 @ Team Maryland White

Sun Apr 18 L 5-13 @ Next Level

Sun Apr 25 L 9-17 Annapolis Hawks

Sat May 1 W 14-4 @ Sidewinders

Sun May 2 W 11-6 Team 91

Sun May 9 L 3-11 Madlax Capital

2028 Crabs (2-4) were bad.

Sun Mar 21 W 14-2 BLC Blue

Sun Mar 28 L 2-15 @ Madlax Capital

Sun Apr 11 L 4-12 @ Annapolis Hawks Green

Sun Apr 18 L 3-5 @ Next Level

Sun Apr 25 L 2-5 FCA Blue

Sun May 9 W 4-3 @ True Annapolis Green

2029 Crabs (1-6) were very bad and lost to (almost) every club and "rec" team they played:

Sun Mar 21 L 4-13 Madlax Capital

Sun Mar 28 W 8-7 Cavalier Orange

Sun Apr 18 L 2-13 @ BLC Blue

Sat May 1 L 6-13 @ True Annapolis

Sun May 2 L 5-11 Blue Claws

Tue May 4 L 1-6 Next Level

Sun May 9 L 1-17 @ Hawks

2030 Crabs (1-6) were very bad lost to every "rec" team they played:

Sun Mar 21 L 6-12 Kelly Post

Sun Mar 28 L 6-17 HoCo Pink

Sun Apr 18 L 5-8 @ Sidewinders

Sun Apr 25 W 5-2 Cannons

Sun May 2 L 1-16 LTLC

Sun May 9 L 6-7 @ Blue Claws

Sun May 9 L 6-12 Kelly Post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

29 and younger is average at best. People aren't paying when they can get better, cheaper lax, closer to home.

Crabs still the envy of players that arent on them,

I don't think so. Take a gander:

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/boys21

2025 Crabs were .500 at 4-4. The 2026 team was their best at 6-1. Then there's nothing to be excited about:

2027 Crabs (3-4) were bad.

Sun Mar 21 L 9-10 FCA

Sun Mar 28 W 11-7 @ Team Maryland White

Sun Apr 18 L 5-13 @ Next Level

Sun Apr 25 L 9-17 Annapolis Hawks

Sat May 1 W 14-4 @ Sidewinders

Sun May 2 W 11-6 Team 91

Sun May 9 L 3-11 Madlax Capital

2028 Crabs (2-4) were bad.

Sun Mar 21 W 14-2 BLC Blue

Sun Mar 28 L 2-15 @ Madlax Capital

Sun Apr 11 L 4-12 @ Annapolis Hawks Green

Sun Apr 18 L 3-5 @ Next Level

Sun Apr 25 L 2-5 FCA Blue

Sun May 9 W 4-3 @ True Annapolis Green

2029 Crabs (1-6) were very bad and lost to (almost) every club and "rec" team they played:

Sun Mar 21 L 4-13 Madlax Capital

Sun Mar 28 W 8-7 Cavalier Orange

Sun Apr 18 L 2-13 @ BLC Blue

Sat May 1 L 6-13 @ True Annapolis

Sun May 2 L 5-11 Blue Claws

Tue May 4 L 1-6 Next Level

Sun May 9 L 1-17 @ Hawks

2030 Crabs (1-6) were very bad lost to every "rec" team they played:

Sun Mar 21 L 6-12 Kelly Post

Sun Mar 28 L 6-17 HoCo Pink

Sun Apr 18 L 5-8 @ Sidewinders

Sun Apr 25 W 5-2 Cannons

Sun May 2 L 1-16 LTLC

Sun May 9 L 6-7 @ Blue Claws

Sun May 9 L 6-12 Kelly Post

Is this the same person posting teams schedule on looneys thread too? Man you have a LOT of extra time on your hands! Should find something better to do then obsess about youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

29 and younger is average at best. People aren't paying when they can get better, cheaper lax, closer to home.

Crabs still the envy of players that arent on them,

I don't think so. Take a gander:

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/boys21

2025 Crabs were .500 at 4-4. The 2026 team was their best at 6-1. Then there's nothing to be excited about:

2027 Crabs (3-4) were bad.

Sun Mar 21 L 9-10 FCA

Sun Mar 28 W 11-7 @ Team Maryland White

Sun Apr 18 L 5-13 @ Next Level

Sun Apr 25 L 9-17 Annapolis Hawks

Sat May 1 W 14-4 @ Sidewinders

Sun May 2 W 11-6 Team 91

Sun May 9 L 3-11 Madlax Capital

2028 Crabs (2-4) were bad.

Sun Mar 21 W 14-2 BLC Blue

Sun Mar 28 L 2-15 @ Madlax Capital

Sun Apr 11 L 4-12 @ Annapolis Hawks Green

Sun Apr 18 L 3-5 @ Next Level

Sun Apr 25 L 2-5 FCA Blue

Sun May 9 W 4-3 @ True Annapolis Green

2029 Crabs (1-6) were very bad and lost to (almost) every club and "rec" team they played:

Sun Mar 21 L 4-13 Madlax Capital

Sun Mar 28 W 8-7 Cavalier Orange

Sun Apr 18 L 2-13 @ BLC Blue

Sat May 1 L 6-13 @ True Annapolis

Sun May 2 L 5-11 Blue Claws

Tue May 4 L 1-6 Next Level

Sun May 9 L 1-17 @ Hawks

2030 Crabs (1-6) were very bad lost to every "rec" team they played:

Sun Mar 21 L 6-12 Kelly Post

Sun Mar 28 L 6-17 HoCo Pink

Sun Apr 18 L 5-8 @ Sidewinders

Sun Apr 25 W 5-2 Cannons

Sun May 2 L 1-16 LTLC

Sun May 9 L 6-7 @ Blue Claws

Sun May 9 L 6-12 Kelly Post

Is this the same person posting teams schedule on looneys thread too? Man you have a LOT of extra time on your hands! Should find something better to do then obsess about youth lacrosse.

Mans gotta do what a Mans gotta do..

This is a bit creepy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a bit creepy

☝🏻

Creepy, but nice to hear facts instead of the fantasy that Crabs are amazing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Creepy, but nice to hear facts instead of the fantasy that Crabs are amazing!

Yes, but, everyone will still flock to Crabs and try out for them in the coming years. Elementary school, whatever. Middle school changes things. And all you have to do is go back and look at previous records prior to 2025 to know that the failure of the 2025 team is a fluke. So OP is in fact correct, they are the envy whether we admit it or not.
(No. My kid is not Crabs, never tried out)

Don't think anyone is envying the 2025 Crabs right now and after this year its too late for the kids' recruiting to switch clubs. Maybe for the younger kids the envy theory can hold up but not for the 2025s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't think anyone is envying the 2025 Crabs right now and after this year its too late for the kids' recruiting to switch clubs. Maybe for the younger kids the envy theory can hold up but not for the 2025s.

The new version of King Crabs 2025 team-bigger, slower, fewer, older, boarders @ BL. Its a new world....

Guess we'll see how it all pans out when the new and improved Crabs 2025 play their former players at Hawks, 91, DC Express and FCA, But I'm pretty sure we all know how that will end up in the win-loss column for King Crab.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2029 team isn't doing so hot either. Only have 12 kids. Most of the kids who left, left because of head coach. They went to 91 (4), FCA (6), Koopers (1). Heard there were yellow helmets at LTLC tryouts, too.

Team folded.

The Crabs 2029 team was losing to Rec teams.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/schedule/team_instance/6190552?subseason=734752

Meh 25s, 27s about to implode. No 29s.
King Krabb missed his window, shoulda sold like the Hawks did.
Might be too late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2029 team was losing to Rec teams.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/schedule/team_instance/6190552?subseason=734752

You seem clueless about the Club scene. HOCO, Blue Claws, Forest Hill, Bethesda, and others may be associated with rec programs, but they are not rec teams. You have to tryout for these teams. They don't cost $150. They cost around $1500-$1700. They are year round teams. They are not "rec teams." Get a clue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2029 team was losing to Rec teams.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/schedule/team_instance/6190552?subseason=734752

You seem clueless about the Club scene. HOCO, Blue Claws, Forest Hill, Bethesda, and others may be associated with rec programs, but they are not rec teams. You have to tryout for these teams. They don't cost $150. They cost around $1500-$1700. They are year round teams. They are not "rec teams." Get a clue.

My son tried out for both Forest Hill and Blue Claws last year. Both are year round. But they both cost $700-800 total last year.

Anyone know how the Crabs made out with 2030s? Last year was a mix of 2030/31 and not very successful. Did they get enough kids to form separate 2030 and 2031 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2029 team was losing to Rec teams.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/schedule/team_instance/6190552?subseason=734752

You seem clueless about the Club scene. HOCO, Blue Claws, Forest Hill, Bethesda, and others may be associated with rec programs, but they are not rec teams. You have to tryout for these teams. They don't cost $150. They cost around $1500-$1700. They are year round teams. They are not "rec teams." Get a clue.

My son tried out for both Forest Hill and Blue Claws last year. Both are year round. But they both cost $700-800 total last year.

Wait, $2800 is greater than $800.

How can those cheaper "rec" teams possibly beat the Crabs?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2029 team was losing to Rec teams.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/schedule/team_instance/6190552?subseason=734752

You seem clueless about the Club scene. HOCO, Blue Claws, Forest Hill, Bethesda, and others may be associated with rec programs, but they are not rec teams. You have to tryout for these teams. They don't cost $150. They cost around $1500-$1700. They are year round teams. They are not "rec teams." Get a clue.

My son tried out for both Forest Hill and Blue Claws last year. Both are year round. But they both cost $700-800 total last year.

Wait, $2800 is greater than $800.

How can those cheaper "rec" teams possibly beat the Crabs?!

Well for one your talking about 4th grade club lacrosse last year. Not everyone wants to spend that money for elementary school lacrosse . Things seem to change when kids get to middle school. But nothing wrong with a affordable rec/club program. Good for them. I still don’t get why everyone hates so many of these programs. If you don’t like them then don’t play for them. Just pick what club you feel is best for your kid. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2029 team was losing to Rec teams.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/schedule/team_instance/6190552?subseason=734752

You seem clueless about the Club scene. HOCO, Blue Claws, Forest Hill, Bethesda, and others may be associated with rec programs, but they are not rec teams. You have to tryout for these teams. They don't cost $150. They cost around $1500-$1700. They are year round teams. They are not "rec teams." Get a clue.

All of those teams except maybe Bethesda are under $1K per year LOL. Honestly the best argument for them being "not rec teams" is the fact that their Dad coaches are often a far higher caliber than the supposed Elite Dad Coaches whose teams get blown up by the likes of FH and KP. I can tell you that KP, Claws, and LTLC have some quality dad coaches and yeah, the price is right. One exception would be that Dad coaches over at Swarm (basically Perry Hall Rec) last year. That wasn't an amazing experiment I guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2029 team was losing to Rec teams.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/schedule/team_instance/6190552?subseason=734752

You seem clueless about the Club scene. HOCO, Blue Claws, Forest Hill, Bethesda, and others may be associated with rec programs, but they are not rec teams. You have to tryout for these teams. They don't cost $150. They cost around $1500-$1700. They are year round teams. They are not "rec teams." Get a clue.

All of those teams except maybe Bethesda are under $1K per year LOL. Honestly the best argument for them being "not rec teams" is the fact that their Dad coaches are often a far higher caliber than the supposed Elite Dad Coaches whose teams get blown up by the likes of FH and KP. I can tell you that KP, Claws, and LTLC have some quality dad coaches and yeah, the price is right. One exception would be that Dad coaches over at Swarm (basically Perry Hall Rec) last year. That wasn't an amazing experiment I guess.

Wrong. HOCO well over $1000, plus you have to pay for uniforms. Ends up being around $1600-$1700.

HoCo is the costly exception. We looked at 3 clubs in Harford co - Claws, FH, FLC. All are well under 1k, and include game uniforms and practice unis. Good bang for the buck, for sure. Gloves and helmets extra usually at coast but optional. So if you choose to get new gloves/helmet too you are closer to 1k all in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Crabs 2029 team was losing to Rec teams.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/schedule/team_instance/6190552?subseason=734752

You seem clueless about the Club scene. HOCO, Blue Claws, Forest Hill, Bethesda, and others may be associated with rec programs, but they are not rec teams. You have to tryout for these teams. They don't cost $150. They cost around $1500-$1700. They are year round teams. They are not "rec teams." Get a clue.

You seem clueless about the rec team scene. Lots of rec programs have tryouts, especially if they have more than one team at an age group. But keep justifying those losses to yourself.

Rec teams only play in the Spring. Club teams play year round. If you are playing in the HOCO league, summer tournaments, and fall tournaments, you are not playing on a rec team. End of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rec teams only play in the Spring. Club teams play year round. If you are playing in the HOCO league, summer tournaments, and fall tournaments, you are not playing on a rec team. End of story.

Thanks Mark Laxer.

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

Is the 29 team still in existence?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 29 team still in existence?

No. It folded. The email big crab sent out blamed the parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 29 team still in existence?

I've heard no for 2029. Anyone know if Crabs, FCA or 91 were able to pull together 2030 team? Last year Crabs were 2030/31 FCA was 2029/30. 91 has been flooding email to find that 1-2 elite 4th graders to round out there team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rec teams only play in the Spring. Club teams play year round. If you are playing in the HOCO league, summer tournaments, and fall tournaments, you are not playing on a rec team. End of story.

My son’s rec team plays spring league, winter league, and fall tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 29 team still in existence?

No. It folded. The email big crab sent out blamed the parents.

I’ll bite. What did it say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 29 team still in existence?

No. It folded. The email big crab sent out blamed the parents.

King Crab , right as usual

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rec teams only play in the Spring. Club teams play year round. If you are playing in the HOCO league, summer tournaments, and fall tournaments, you are not playing on a rec team. End of story.

My son’s rec team plays spring league, winter league, and fall tournaments

Some rec leagues also have a club team component. The club team participates year-round, not the rec team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 29 team still in existence?

I've heard no for 2029. Anyone know if Crabs, FCA or 91 were able to pull together 2030 team? Last year Crabs were 2030/31 FCA was 2029/30. 91 has been flooding email to find that 1-2 elite 4th graders to round out there team.

Crabs 2029 folded. Sounds like "blame the customer" is the response from the Club. Always a good look!

FCA has a full 2029 and a full 2030 team. How good? No idea.

91 had something like 50 total kids attending tryouts for 2028, 2029 and 2030 teams combined so that's not a lot of teams lol. Pretty sure it is a combined 29/30 club and I know most of their first picks did not like the high pressure sales job and went to other AAA (and even AA and A) clubs instead. Not a lot of faith in the brand, apparently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rec teams only play in the Spring. Club teams play year round. If you are playing in the HOCO league, summer tournaments, and fall tournaments, you are not playing on a rec team. End of story.

My son’s rec team plays spring league, winter league, and fall tournaments

Some rec leagues also have a club team component. The club team participates year-round, not the rec team.

Nope, this is rec. Nobody gets cut, everyone plays. Rotate kids through all positions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.

King Crab never played lacrosse in high school or college? And you all give him your money so he can tell you to reclass and take more of it? Ha! It’s worse than I thought. Lord.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.

Please name those coaches who never played HS or college ball.

Will the crabs have a 30 or 31 team? If the 29s folded, wouldn't surprise me if those did too. Anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.

Please name those coaches who never played HS or college ball.

The HC of Brown (who previously built the Tufts lax program) never played lax at any level

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/mike-daly/3829

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.

Please name those coaches who never played HS or college ball.

The HC of Brown (who previously built the Tufts lax program) never played lax at any level

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/mike-daly/3829

Yes, but was a very organized football coach. FYI, now that he's in Division 1, his shine is a little off. Let's give him a full 4-5 years to build his type of program, but the jury's still out on this coach at the next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.

Please name those coaches who never played HS or college ball.

The HC of Brown (who previously built the Tufts lax program) never played lax at any level

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/mike-daly/3829

Yes, but was a very organized football coach. FYI, now that he's in Division 1, his shine is a little off. Let's give him a full 4-5 years to build his type of program, but the jury's still out on this coach at the next level.

It amazes me that if you havent played at a High Level sports you cant coach at a High level...Lucky for the entire working world that philosophy is not gone by.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.

Please name those coaches who never played HS or college ball.

The HC of Brown (who previously built the Tufts lax program) never played lax at any level

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/mike-daly/3829

Yes, but was a very organized football coach. FYI, now that he's in Division 1, his shine is a little off. Let's give him a full 4-5 years to build his type of program, but the jury's still out on this coach at the next level.

It amazes me that if you havent played at a High Level sports you cant coach at a High level...Lucky for the entire working world that philosophy is not gone by.

I mean it *is* gone by for the vast majority of working people (You will not be a senior staff engineer at Boeing if you "studied engineering in HS, top of my class, but they didn't have a good college program in my state so I studied Humanities."). Hiring pipelines exist for valid reasons.

Leadership jobs are different luckily. I think that is your point, and it's true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.
Please name those coaches who never played HS or college ball.

The HC of Brown (who previously built the Tufts lax program) never played lax at any level

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/mike-daly/3829

Yes, but was a very organized football coach. FYI, now that he's in Division 1, his shine is a little off. Let's give him a full 4-5 years to build his type of program, but the jury's still out on this coach at the next level.

It amazes me that if you havent played at a High Level sports you cant coach at a High level...Lucky for the entire working world that philosophy is not gone by.

I mean it *is* gone by for the vast majority of working people (You will not be a senior staff engineer at Boeing if you "studied engineering in HS, top of my class, but they didn't have a good college program in my state so I studied Humanities."). Hiring pipelines exist for valid reasons.

Leadership jobs are different luckily. I think that is your point, and it's true.

Right on both points. When you get out of the hotbed areas , I have met some excellent coaches that never played lacrosse. They know how to coach HS and Club. Most have some sports background as most Bill Gates types dont want to coach.

Coaching like most know is not playing. Two different mindsets. But I will say, playing at one time does make it easier at times.

The greatest coaches in most sports were never great players and for the most part were not very good at all.

And the best players often make lousy coaches. Because the sport often came easy to them and they did not have to work or understand the game- they just were bigger, faster, stronger or a “natural.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.
Please name those coaches who never played HS or college ball.

The HC of Brown (who previously built the Tufts lax program) never played lax at any level

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/mike-daly/3829

Yes, but was a very organized football coach. FYI, now that he's in Division 1, his shine is a little off. Let's give him a full 4-5 years to build his type of program, but the jury's still out on this coach at the next level.

It amazes me that if you havent played at a High Level sports you cant coach at a High level...Lucky for the entire working world that philosophy is not gone by.

I mean it *is* gone by for the vast majority of working people (You will not be a senior staff engineer at Boeing if you "studied engineering in HS, top of my class, but they didn't have a good college program in my state so I studied Humanities."). Hiring pipelines exist for valid reasons.

Leadership jobs are different luckily. I think that is your point, and it's true.

Right on both points. When you get out of the hotbed areas , I have met some excellent coaches that never played lacrosse. They know how to coach HS and Club. Most have some sports background as most Bill Gates types dont want to coach.

Coaching like most know is not playing. Two different mindsets. But I will say, playing at one time does make it easier at times.

Best teams are the ones that find the former great player who is also a great coach. Look at the top of the rankings to find these rare special ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the fat crab ever actually play varsity at BL?

He didnt play in HS ..But that has never stopped anyone from being a great coach. Many coaches even in the NFL never played college football, even a few never played HS.
Please name those coaches who never played HS or college ball.

The HC of Brown (who previously built the Tufts lax program) never played lax at any level

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/roster/coaches/mike-daly/3829

Yes, but was a very organized football coach. FYI, now that he's in Division 1, his shine is a little off. Let's give him a full 4-5 years to build his type of program, but the jury's still out on this coach at the next level.

It amazes me that if you havent played at a High Level sports you cant coach at a High level...Lucky for the entire working world that philosophy is not gone by.

I mean it *is* gone by for the vast majority of working people (You will not be a senior staff engineer at Boeing if you "studied engineering in HS, top of my class, but they didn't have a good college program in my state so I studied Humanities."). Hiring pipelines exist for valid reasons.

Leadership jobs are different luckily. I think that is your point, and it's true.

Right on both points. When you get out of the hotbed areas , I have met some excellent coaches that never played lacrosse. They know how to coach HS and Club. Most have some sports background as most Bill Gates types dont want to coach.

Coaching like most know is not playing. Two different mindsets. But I will say, playing at one time does make it easier at times.

Best teams are the ones that find the former great player who is also a great coach. Look at the top of the rankings to find these rare special ones.

Dave Petro was for awhile, Then time passed him and his style of play by. Will see if he can get his mojo back coaching for his archrival for last 30 years.

Crabs playing in any fall tourneys or just dodging teams until the spring?

Dodging who…stop it.

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Good for you. But just watch your '26 team. Between 8th and freshmen is when many kids in Baltimore and headed to your son's school hold back. Half of your '26 team will be '27s next year.

You think there's no good club teams in the Baltimore region? Your club director and coaches make you drive to LI because they are scared to play local AAA and even AA teams. It's easy to say you are the best in Baltimore when you only play 3 local teams. You go to LI to avoid any losses to potential competing clubs. Have some cajones and play all the local AAA teams. Yeah, didn't think so.

And why did BL spend millions to build dorms if it wasn't for out of state kids? To fill it from kids from South Baltimore? From the South side of Roland Avenue? \\\LOL///

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Glad it is your last post. You sound like a big braggart know it all who thinks the world revolves around you and your son. And your weak point about Crabs and holdbacks is just that, weak, The Crabs are holdback central for Clubs, ( Not that others arent) . The owner King Crab gives a speech I have heard more than once, encouraging holding your child back if you want to compete at elite level. More than once, since one of my sons has played for Crabs 3 years. I like the competition and club and tourneys. Dont have an issue with club besides wish youth teams were by age and HS by grade.
My sons team is over half holdbacks as are many Crab teams as you get into High School grades.

Sounds like your shut him up quick was once again a holdback playing his age and claiming he was playing up, once the holdback went back to his grade he was in his true year class. LOL.. You do realize that the holdback was now playing down for age? LOL ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs playing in any fall tourneys or just dodging teams until the spring?

What age group are you trying to stir pot about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Butt hurt crabs parent right there.

Everybody know the high school age Crabs duck/avoid any MD based team that’s better than it. Everybody plays the out of state teams: it’s when you duck the local teams that your true colors show. All I keep hearing is “never mind the man behind the curtain”.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Hahaha! Your kids a 26? And you are posting this. The holdback thing hasn’t affected him or come into play…. It will now! Good luck. You’ll be whining about it within a year or two when juniors spot is taken by a reclass!!! It’s still early man. You’ll see soon enough

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

I 10000% call total BS. A year ago. 3 Crabs 2025 players reclassed - ALL ARE holdbacks. None of them were playing up. I know this because I know the families. No big deal but please don’t lie on here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Word on the street is that one Floridian is a hold back, and the other is a 2x holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Guess your son won’t be seeing the field much this year with all the holdbacks. Might be in your best interest to start scouting out new teams for little Johnny for next year unless you’re planning on holding him back.

Head in the sand is where he likes to live.

holdbacks are everywhere. And the Crabs are the worst of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Guess your son won’t be seeing the field much this year with all the holdbacks. Might be in your best interest to start scouting out new teams for little Johnny for next year unless you’re planning on holding him back.

Maybe there is a team in Florida his son can travel to play on?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

What’s funny about parents telling people “oh my kid was playing up but is now where he is supposed to be”? They are also the same parents who advertise their kids birthdays on social media with “happy 14th birthday son, I could not be more proud of the man you are becoming!” when the calendar hasn’t hit Sept 1 yet. Wonder what flavor koolaid that goes with. Happy for your kid that he’s the youngest and can still hang with repeat 8th graders. We look forward to watching him in the NCAA finals in the future. Your team has 2025 players on it, they used to be my son’s teammates in the past and was in the 2025 classrooms with them over the years and they are now 8th graders and mine is a freshman. Your team is exactly what is portrayed here. And the player you say was playing up on 25 is also false, and yeah, he’s that good on a 2026 team because he belongs on the 25 team. Keep drinking your koolaid you college athlete you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Guess your son won’t be seeing the field much this year with all the holdbacks. Might be in your best interest to start scouting out new teams for little Johnny for next year unless you’re planning on holding him back.

I bet he and his college athlete wife are going to regret their “conscious decision” to “keep him on schedule for school knowing he would be playing older kids” very soon!? Hmmm, what are the odds they use his summer birthday now as an excuse to hold him back? Saying, he was always at an unfair advantage with older kids? Or, they may just wait to see if he can rise to the challenge of playing the kids two years older? Hopefully he does and good luck to him. I’m against the whole holdback and re-class stuff going on. So, I’m routing for his kid. Just think this guy is DELUSIONAL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Word on the street is that one Floridian is a hold back, and the other is a 2x holdback.

A double holdback flying to MD to play against kids 2 years younger than him. Seems to worth the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Word on the street is that one Floridian is a hold back, and the other is a 2x holdback.

A double holdback will likely be 16 during HOCO playing against on grade 14 year olds. On top of that, travelling from Florida. I sure hope he dominates every game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Word on the street is that one Floridian is a hold back, and the other is a 2x holdback.

A double holdback flying to MD to play against kids 2 years younger than him. Seems to worth the time.

UUUHM- The parents ACTUALLY fly up for practice and games... against kids two years younger... because the Dads played college lacrosse!
They have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is NOT very competitive... against kids two years younger.
They have that kind of cash BUT MOSTLY do it for their kids to play... other kids two years younger!
AND they selected Crabs... to play kids two years younger.
Does your son's team have parents that committed... to playing kids two years younger?

lolz

Thankfully, no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

Word on the street is that one Floridian is a hold back, and the other is a 2x holdback.

A double holdback flying to MD to play against kids 2 years younger than him. Seems to worth the time.

UUUHM- The parents ACTUALLY fly up for practice and games... against kids two years younger... because the Dads played college lacrosse!
They have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is NOT very competitive... against kids two years younger.
They have that kind of cash BUT MOSTLY do it for their kids to play... other kids two years younger!
AND they selected Crabs... to play kids two years younger.
Does your son's team have parents that committed... to playing kids two years younger?

lolz

Thankfully, no.

Hey Y'all... Now, who sounds pathetic? Think he regrets his post? I guess we wont know until we "see him on the field"!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

You can tell a parent has been indoctrinated into a specific club culture when they post stuff like this. I mean the ML part is spot on at least.

The FL kid story is hilarious. #30-40 Sweetlax FL sends 10-15+ kids on scholys every year, mostly D1 (Hopkins, USNA, etc). Nobody "needs" to come up from FL and play for the #6-10 Crabs. Are they really SO TALENTED that Sweetlax just couldn't provide them adequate coaching and bench strength?

I live down the street from BL and we have run into some of the boarding students at the pizza place around the corner. All nice young men. And I'm not discounting that they could be 6'1" math prodigies, or that BL has a great theatre program or whatever, but let's use basic common sense and honesty and assume many of them are athletes. Where would they play club ball, if they have the talent to play anywhere? The club that has practice on the campus where they now live (Crabs), or to run off to practice at St Pauls, Gilman, McDonough, DC, Annapolis, etc? Who really thinks that the best players in this boarding campus won't play for Crabs? Doesn't matter if you detest Crabs or love them, this is basic parent stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

I 10000% call total BS. A year ago. 3 Crabs 2025 players reclassed - ALL ARE holdbacks. None of them were playing up. I know this because I know the families. No big deal but please don’t lie on here.

ZERO of the current 2026 Crabs played up on the 25's. Almost the entire team (75+%) are indeed holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ZERO of the current 2026 Crabs played up on the 25's. Almost the entire team (75+%) are indeed holdbacks.

We know this. Everyone knows this, except Crabs dad who has been on the team since inception. Not sure how he missed it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ZERO of the current 2026 Crabs played up on the 25's. Almost the entire team (75+%) are indeed holdbacks.

We know this. Everyone knows this, except Crabs dad who has been on the team since inception. Not sure how he missed it.

Can someone name me 1 elite team playing in HOCO that doesn’t have a holdback on the team? I’ll wait……

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ZERO of the current 2026 Crabs played up on the 25's. Almost the entire team (75+%) are indeed holdbacks.

We know this. Everyone knows this, except Crabs dad who has been on the team since inception. Not sure how he missed it.

Can someone name me 1 elite team playing in HOCO that doesn’t have a holdback on the team? I’ll wait……

There is a difference between having holdbacks one your team vs the idea of holding back being part of your clubs philosophy. It’s how they build .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ZERO of the current 2026 Crabs played up on the 25's. Almost the entire team (75+%) are indeed holdbacks.

We know this. Everyone knows this, except Crabs dad who has been on the team since inception. Not sure how he missed it.

Can someone name me 1 elite team playing in HOCO that doesn’t have a holdback on the team? I’ll wait……

All of them we assume. But none at 75% or more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ZERO of the current 2026 Crabs played up on the 25's. Almost the entire team (75+%) are indeed holdbacks.

We know this. Everyone knows this, except Crabs dad who has been on the team since inception. Not sure how he missed it.

Can someone name me 1 elite team playing in HOCO that doesn’t have a holdback on the team? I’ll wait……

There is a difference between having holdbacks one your team vs the idea of holding back being part of your clubs philosophy. It’s how they build .

Ask any HS coach at any private school how they feel about holdbacks? They encourage it; it’s part of the lax culture unfortunately and isn’t going away. If you’re being honest with yourself every club coach would tell you the same thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ZERO of the current 2026 Crabs played up on the 25's. Almost the entire team (75+%) are indeed holdbacks.

We know this. Everyone knows this, except Crabs dad who has been on the team since inception. Not sure how he missed it.

Can someone name me 1 elite team playing in HOCO that doesn’t have a holdback on the team? I’ll wait……

None.......Any group of 22-25 13-14 year olds is bound to have one kid who was held back, at some time, for some reason.

I think the issue is the lying about it, like it doesn't exist and like it has no impact on how the game is played at this level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

First of all nobody is coming to BOTC with these fireworks and opinions and leaving. Lie #1.

The approx # of holdbacks on 26 Crabs (10-12) is well established. If it's not "a majority" it's darn close and varies with the daily game roster. Just because they are legit academic holdbacks in some cases, doesn't make them NOT holdbacks. Lie #2.

There is no common sense or math that would lead 2 rock star kids to fly all the way from FL to MD to play at #6-10 Crabs....but not fly another 25 minutes to LI to play for the #1-5 clubs if they are that good. And seriously, Sweetlax FL is #30? #40 in the country and these kids are just TOO GOOD for the SL squad? Seriously?
They just *can't* get exposure there, especially with unlimited parental funds? OK sure. Lie #3

There's a reason that most of the boarding boys at BL are 5'10" to 6'2" and I'm sure they are great kids but they are not primarily on chess scholarships. If you believe otherwise, that's on you. And if you think the common sense solution is to NOT send a boy in boarding school to the lacrosse club practicing *literally* on the same campus, I can't help you there either. Why would they have their sons drive to play on other squads when #6 in the USA is ON CAMPUS. Sure the relationship could be seen as problematic but it has also been set up as a common sense solution for those kids and their parents........if they can play at that level. Denying that is serious cognitive dissonance.

And yeah, we know, ML is an organization full of crazies. You just figuring that out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

The kid on your 26 team was playing for 2025 in 7th grade-ask his father. That would mean he was playing on age at that point in time. Now is playing down. We call that a holdback. Those two kids from Florida will be asked to board at BL at some point. They need to fill those 48 spots. Mac is a member of the BL Board of trustees and he will be leading that charge!!! Hold back Mac does not like to coach teams unless they have older, faster, stronger kids on them-this makes up for his shortcomings as a game day coach. That is why he did not coach the 2024 or 2025 kids in 8th grade. Those teams did not meet his criteria. He basically took their money, held his nose, and shunned them. He is back in the 8th grade coaching business again because there are multiple holdbacks on the team and they should be pretty good. Mac is very predictable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

LOL, that's a pretty long explanation for a simple youth lacrosse team. And you still can't win HOCO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

The kid on your 26 team was playing for 2025 in 7th grade-ask his father. That would mean he was playing on age at that point in time. Now is playing down. We call that a holdback. Those two kids from Florida will be asked to board at BL at some point. They need to fill those 48 spots. Mac is a member of the BL Board of trustees and he will be leading that charge!!! Hold back Mac does not like to coach teams unless they have older, faster, stronger kids on them-this makes up for his shortcomings as a game day coach. That is why he did not coach the 2024 or 2025 kids in 8th grade. Those teams did not meet his criteria. He basically took their money, held his nose, and shunned them. He is back in the 8th grade coaching business again because there are multiple holdbacks on the team and they should be pretty good. Mac is very predictable.

Sorry your kid was cut.......tell him to keep grinding; I know Koopers needs midfield help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

I 10000% call total BS. A year ago. 3 Crabs 2025 players reclassed - ALL ARE holdbacks. None of them were playing up. I know this because I know the families. No big deal but please don’t lie on here.

ZERO of the current 2026 Crabs played up on the 25's. Almost the entire team (75+%) are indeed holdbacks.

You are correct in saying none played up on 2025. They played on age when on the 2025 team. Now they are lax holdbacks on 2026. Decision made specifically for lax in 7th/8th grade timeframe. Let the truth be told....Don't lie on here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

The kid on your 26 team was playing for 2025 in 7th grade-ask his father. That would mean he was playing on age at that point in time. Now is playing down. We call that a holdback. Those two kids from Florida will be asked to board at BL at some point. They need to fill those 48 spots. Mac is a member of the BL Board of trustees and he will be leading that charge!!! Hold back Mac does not like to coach teams unless they have older, faster, stronger kids on them-this makes up for his shortcomings as a game day coach. That is why he did not coach the 2024 or 2025 kids in 8th grade. Those teams did not meet his criteria. He basically took their money, held his nose, and shunned them. He is back in the 8th grade coaching business again because there are multiple holdbacks on the team and they should be pretty good. Mac is very predictable.

Sorry your kid was cut.......tell him to keep grinding; I know Koopers needs midfield help.

So your son had someone to play with @ Koopers. Wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

The kid on your 26 team was playing for 2025 in 7th grade-ask his father. That would mean he was playing on age at that point in time. Now is playing down. We call that a holdback. Those two kids from Florida will be asked to board at BL at some point. They need to fill those 48 spots. Mac is a member of the BL Board of trustees and he will be leading that charge!!! Hold back Mac does not like to coach teams unless they have older, faster, stronger kids on them-this makes up for his shortcomings as a game day coach. That is why he did not coach the 2024 or 2025 kids in 8th grade. Those teams did not meet his criteria. He basically took their money, held his nose, and shunned them. He is back in the 8th grade coaching business again because there are multiple holdbacks on the team and they should be pretty good. Mac is very predictable.

Sorry your kid was cut.......tell him to keep grinding; I know Koopers needs midfield help.

You mean keep grinding and have your kid “re-class” once or twice! Is your kid in age…. ?? Tell the truth!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard about this particular forum at practice this morning and spent the last hour reviewing posts....do you know what the real problem with lacrosse is?

It's YOU, pathetic parents with nothing better to be crying and moaning and spending your time posting inaccurate / false information. This is my first and last post...

My Son is a 4 year crabs 26 player with a summer 08 birthday and one of the younger players on the team. With that in mind, I've watched him and the Crabs 26 team improve every year and tryouts each summer have been stressful but he's made the team each year through hard work and great coaching. My Wife and I (both college athletes) made a conscious decision to send him to school on schedule knowing full well he'd be playing against older kids with the expectation that he would rise to the competition.

I keep hearing nonsense that the 26 team is mostly (or all) holdbacks and that is entirely inaccurate....I actually had a Dad on our football team (who's Son did not make the Crabs cut and is on his 3rd club team) reference one of our players specifically as a holdback and had to set him straight immediately....the player he mentioned was actually playing up on the 25's (he's that good) and came back to 26 to play in his true year class. Shut him up pretty quick.

With regard to the crabs not inviting talented teams to our tournaments because we don't want the competition then let me ask you this....why the heck do we drive to Long Island for tournaments? Do you think we like going to LI? NOOOOO!

None of the Crabs parents like going to LI for the same reasons nobody likes going to LI. We do it for the kids so they get to play other highly competitive teams.

Next, with regard to recruiting kids from other states to fill Boys Latin dorms...again, complete BS. We do have 2 kids from FL on the team but guess what? They don't go to school at BL or any other MD school. The parents actually fly up for practice and games because the Dads played college lacrosse, they have very talented kids and the South FL lacrosse scene is not very competitive...(and I guess they have that kinda cash). Again, they do it for the kids. And, they selected Crabs. Does your son's team have parents that committed?

And finally, do you remember the Crabs 26 v Madlax game (Crabs won) last season where the Madlax coach was ejected in the 1st quarter, 2 players were ejected in the 4th quarter (with 4 minutes in a 2 man down situation) and then the referee's called the game with 1:15 left in the game because the parents were not nice? I do:)....now that's a classy lacrosse club!
(I couldn't resist)

Y'all have a great season, see you on the field.

I 10000% call total BS. A year ago. 3 Crabs 2025 players reclassed - ALL ARE holdbacks. None of them were playing up. I know this because I know the families. No big deal but please don’t lie on here.

ZERO of the current 2026 Crabs played up on the 25's. Almost the entire team (75+%) are indeed holdbacks.

A few played “up” with the 25’s when there was no 26 team. Since there has been a 26 team, no player has played “up” on the 25’s. This guy should get his facts straight before rambling on about stuff he has no clue about.

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

It’s part of the private SCHOOLS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

Ok, holdback parent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

We are talking about at the youth ages and developmental ages up until HS! Should be more fair during those years!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

Talking about youth holdback Dad.

It never ceases to amaze me how you holdback apologists always want us to get used to playing against older kids while you want to get used to playing with younger kids.

You must have learned character education at some Miaa school . Is that one of the traits, only certain people are entitled to advantages others dont get. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

We are talking about at the youth ages and developmental ages up until HS! Should be more fair during those years!

One of the early MIAA holdback adopters was BL. Once King Crab set-up his shop @ BL the culture moved over to his club. He has always been a big proponent of trying to have more older kids on his teams than the competition he plays. He will take the older kids at any age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

We are talking about at the youth ages and developmental ages up until HS! Should be more fair during those years!

One of the early MIAA holdback adopters was BL. Once King Crab set-up his shop @ BL the culture moved over to his club. He has always been a big proponent of trying to have more older kids on his teams than the competition he plays. He will take the older kids at any age.

This began years before the MIAA was even in existence.
The school on Lake Ave used to have the reputation for being a soft landing spot for anyone who had academic or behavior issues or got kicked out of other local privates.
In order to ensure the kid was up to speed, (and get their tuition money's worth) BL admissions would ask those kids to repeat a grade.
BL flourished and often had good lax teams. The trend continued. holdbacks then became a more popular "thing." At BL and elsewhere.

We hold back parents earn our right to hold back our son. We pay for it to the tune of $35,000 per year…. try that times multiple children. If you cant afford private school you probably shouldn’t be paying $2,000 for club plus all the other expenses involved. Very few MD public school lacrosse players play D 1. Save your money !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We hold back parents earn our right to hold back our son. We pay for it to the tune of $35,000 per year…. try that times multiple children. If you cant afford private school you probably shouldn’t be paying $2,000 for club plus all the other expenses involved. Very few MD public school lacrosse players play D 1. Save your money !!

Pro level troll lol! I don't know what's more amusing, these obnoxious fake private school dad posts, or the sadly not fake triggered responses of "A South River diploma is just as valuable as a GP diploma!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We hold back parents earn our right to hold back our son. We pay for it to the tune of $35,000 per year…. try that times multiple children. If you cant afford private school you probably shouldn’t be paying $2,000 for club plus all the other expenses involved. Very few MD public school lacrosse players play D 1. Save your money !!

Wow! Says the super elitist Stunad! Isn’t US Lacrosse trying to make it more inclusive? Well, it’s going the opposite direction. Are you serious, “ if you can’t afford a private school, shouldn’t be playing club lacrosse”! What an elitist 💩! Maybe rules should change to stop the holdback advantage that you can buy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

Talking about youth holdback Dad.

It never ceases to amaze me how you holdback apologists always want us to get used to playing against older kids while you want to get used to playing with younger kids.

You must have learned character education at some Miaa school . Is that one of the traits, only certain people are entitled to advantages others dont get. lol

All these parents of kids who whine about holdbacks reminds me of a infant with a dirty diaper that never gets changed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

Talking about youth holdback Dad.

It never ceases to amaze me how you holdback apologists always want us to get used to playing against older kids while you want to get used to playing with younger kids.

You must have learned character education at some Miaa school . Is that one of the traits, only certain people are entitled to advantages others dont get. lol

All these parents of kids who whine about holdbacks reminds me of a infant with a dirty diaper that never gets changed.

Hilarious, Spoken like a spoiled child who thinks it is about him and his world. Only one that needs to be changed is you, as you have no idea how much you smell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

Talking about youth holdback Dad.

It never ceases to amaze me how you holdback apologists always want us to get used to playing against older kids while you want to get used to playing with younger kids.

You must have learned character education at some Miaa school . Is that one of the traits, only certain people are entitled to advantages others dont get. lol

All these parents of kids who whine about holdbacks reminds me of a infant with a dirty diaper that never gets changed.

Hilarious, Spoken like a spoiled child who thinks it is about him and his world. Only one that needs to be changed is you, as you have no idea how much you smell.

LI holdback Cop is at it again. Still cant understand how grade based sports work and all that. Spend some time on the LI express board discussing the good old "plan to do a pg year ploy." Love this guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

We are talking about at the youth ages and developmental ages up until HS! Should be more fair during those years!

One of the early MIAA holdback adopters was BL. Once King Crab set-up his shop @ BL the culture moved over to his club. He has always been a big proponent of trying to have more older kids on his teams than the competition he plays. He will take the older kids at any age.

This began years before the MIAA was even in existence.
The school on Lake Ave used to have the reputation for being a soft landing spot for anyone who had academic or behavior issues or got kicked out of other local privates.
In order to ensure the kid was up to speed, (and get their tuition money's worth) BL admissions would ask those kids to repeat a grade.
BL flourished and often had good lax teams. The trend continued. holdbacks then became a more popular "thing." At BL and elsewhere.

Oh yea it goes back to the MSA(pre-1994) days. Boys who got kicked out of Loyola & CHC for various reasons headed over to BL to be "reformed". Shriver & the faculty saw this as an opportunity to repeat a year to get things back on track whether it was needed or not as well as have lax players that were older and more experienced. Then it became part of the culture as the Crabs program began to flourish. Soon it was part of the school's culture and 7th & 8th graders were brought into the holdback picture. This started BL's dominance. The MSA/MIAA allowed them to play lax in the "A" conference, while they also allowed them to play other sports in the B conference-a discussion for another day. Somebody should interview Shriver & King Crab about their role in this whole evolution of the lax holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

We are talking about at the youth ages and developmental ages up until HS! Should be more fair during those years!

One of the early MIAA holdback adopters was BL. Once King Crab set-up his shop @ BL the culture moved over to his club. He has always been a big proponent of trying to have more older kids on his teams than the competition he plays. He will take the older kids at any age.

This began years before the MIAA was even in existence.
The school on Lake Ave used to have the reputation for being a soft landing spot for anyone who had academic or behavior issues or got kicked out of other local privates.
In order to ensure the kid was up to speed, (and get their tuition money's worth) BL admissions would ask those kids to repeat a grade.
BL flourished and often had good lax teams. The trend continued. holdbacks then became a more popular "thing." At BL and elsewhere.

Oh yea it goes back to the MSA(pre-1994) days. Boys who got kicked out of Loyola & CHC for various reasons headed over to BL to be "reformed". Shriver & the faculty saw this as an opportunity to repeat a year to get things back on track whether it was needed or not as well as have lax players that were older and more experienced. Then it became part of the culture as the Crabs program began to flourish. Soon it was part of the school's culture and 7th & 8th graders were brought into the holdback picture. This started BL's dominance. The MSA/MIAA allowed them to play lax in the "A" conference, while they also allowed them to play other sports in the B conference-a discussion for another day. Somebody should interview Shriver & King Crab about their role in this whole evolution of the lax holdback.

Another factor at BL is that they're probably the best school in town for kids with learning disabilities aside from Jemicy and have been for years. Before ADD/ADHD became very common, they took lots of kids with dislexia and did wonders. A lot of kids with learning disabilities take an extra year at some point, completely unrelated to athletics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

We are talking about at the youth ages and developmental ages up until HS! Should be more fair during those years!

One of the early MIAA holdback adopters was BL. Once King Crab set-up his shop @ BL the culture moved over to his club. He has always been a big proponent of trying to have more older kids on his teams than the competition he plays. He will take the older kids at any age.

This began years before the MIAA was even in existence.
The school on Lake Ave used to have the reputation for being a soft landing spot for anyone who had academic or behavior issues or got kicked out of other local privates.
In order to ensure the kid was up to speed, (and get their tuition money's worth) BL admissions would ask those kids to repeat a grade.
BL flourished and often had good lax teams. The trend continued. holdbacks then became a more popular "thing." At BL and elsewhere.

Oh yea it goes back to the MSA(pre-1994) days. Boys who got kicked out of Loyola & CHC for various reasons headed over to BL to be "reformed". Shriver & the faculty saw this as an opportunity to repeat a year to get things back on track whether it was needed or not as well as have lax players that were older and more experienced. Then it became part of the culture as the Crabs program began to flourish. Soon it was part of the school's culture and 7th & 8th graders were brought into the holdback picture. This started BL's dominance. The MSA/MIAA allowed them to play lax in the "A" conference, while they also allowed them to play other sports in the B conference-a discussion for another day. Somebody should interview Shriver & King Crab about their role in this whole evolution of the lax holdback.

Another factor at BL is that they're probably the best school in town for kids with learning disabilities aside from Jemicy and have been for years. Before ADD/ADHD became very common, they took lots of kids with dislexia and did wonders. A lot of kids with learning disabilities take an extra year at some point, completely unrelated to athletics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

We are talking about at the youth ages and developmental ages up until HS! Should be more fair during those years!

One of the early MIAA holdback adopters was BL. Once King Crab set-up his shop @ BL the culture moved over to his club. He has always been a big proponent of trying to have more older kids on his teams than the competition he plays. He will take the older kids at any age.

This began years before the MIAA was even in existence.
The school on Lake Ave used to have the reputation for being a soft landing spot for anyone who had academic or behavior issues or got kicked out of other local privates.
In order to ensure the kid was up to speed, (and get their tuition money's worth) BL admissions would ask those kids to repeat a grade.
BL flourished and often had good lax teams. The trend continued. holdbacks then became a more popular "thing." At BL and elsewhere.

Oh yea it goes back to the MSA(pre-1994) days. Boys who got kicked out of Loyola & CHC for various reasons headed over to BL to be "reformed". Shriver & the faculty saw this as an opportunity to repeat a year to get things back on track whether it was needed or not as well as have lax players that were older and more experienced. Then it became part of the culture as the Crabs program began to flourish. Soon it was part of the school's culture and 7th & 8th graders were brought into the holdback picture. This started BL's dominance. The MSA/MIAA allowed them to play lax in the "A" conference, while they also allowed them to play other sports in the B conference-a discussion for another day. Somebody should interview Shriver & King Crab about their role in this whole evolution of the lax holdback.

Last time I checked, there were several schools that play lax in the MIAA A and have other sports in the B. A few years ago I believe only Loyola, Calvert Hall and maybe MSJ had all A Conf. sports. Gilman had B conference teams for a long time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

We are talking about at the youth ages and developmental ages up until HS! Should be more fair during those years!

One of the early MIAA holdback adopters was BL. Once King Crab set-up his shop @ BL the culture moved over to his club. He has always been a big proponent of trying to have more older kids on his teams than the competition he plays. He will take the older kids at any age.

This began years before the MIAA was even in existence.
The school on Lake Ave used to have the reputation for being a soft landing spot for anyone who had academic or behavior issues or got kicked out of other local privates.
In order to ensure the kid was up to speed, (and get their tuition money's worth) BL admissions would ask those kids to repeat a grade.
BL flourished and often had good lax teams. The trend continued. holdbacks then became a more popular "thing." At BL and elsewhere.

Oh yea it goes back to the MSA(pre-1994) days. Boys who got kicked out of Loyola & CHC for various reasons headed over to BL to be "reformed". Shriver & the faculty saw this as an opportunity to repeat a year to get things back on track whether it was needed or not as well as have lax players that were older and more experienced. Then it became part of the culture as the Crabs program began to flourish. Soon it was part of the school's culture and 7th & 8th graders were brought into the holdback picture. This started BL's dominance. The MSA/MIAA allowed them to play lax in the "A" conference, while they also allowed them to play other sports in the B conference-a discussion for another day. Somebody should interview Shriver & King Crab about their role in this whole evolution of the lax holdback.

Another factor at BL is that they're probably the best school in town for kids with learning disabilities aside from Jemicy and have been for years. Before ADD/ADHD became very common, they took lots of kids with dislexia and did wonders. A lot of kids with learning disabilities take an extra year at some point, completely unrelated to athletics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t understand the hold back BS on these boards. Your sons will always be playing with and against kids older and younger once they’re in HS or College.The sooner you get use to it the better.

We are talking about at the youth ages and developmental ages up until HS! Should be more fair during those years!

One of the early MIAA holdback adopters was BL. Once King Crab set-up his shop @ BL the culture moved over to his club. He has always been a big proponent of trying to have more older kids on his teams than the competition he plays. He will take the older kids at any age.

This began years before the MIAA was even in existence.
The school on Lake Ave used to have the reputation for being a soft landing spot for anyone who had academic or behavior issues or got kicked out of other local privates.
In order to ensure the kid was up to speed, (and get their tuition money's worth) BL admissions would ask those kids to repeat a grade.
BL flourished and often had good lax teams. The trend continued. holdbacks then became a more popular "thing." At BL and elsewhere.

Oh yea it goes back to the MSA(pre-1994) days. Boys who got kicked out of Loyola & CHC for various reasons headed over to BL to be "reformed". Shriver & the faculty saw this as an opportunity to repeat a year to get things back on track whether it was needed or not as well as have lax players that were older and more experienced. Then it became part of the culture as the Crabs program began to flourish. Soon it was part of the school's culture and 7th & 8th graders were brought into the holdback picture. This started BL's dominance. The MSA/MIAA allowed them to play lax in the "A" conference, while they also allowed them to play other sports in the B conference-a discussion for another day. Somebody should interview Shriver & King Crab about their role in this whole evolution of the lax holdback.

Last time I checked, there were several schools that play lax in the MIAA A and have other sports in the B. A few years ago I believe only Loyola, Calvert Hall and maybe MSJ had all A Conf. sports. Gilman had B conference teams for a long time.

There are several other schools that have teams mixed between A & B. Figure out where you want to be and who you want to serve and attempt to raise your game to the A or drop to to B. Don't heavily recruit/develop for one or two sports while leaving the other ones out to dry... It would probably lead to a higher participation rate among the student body as well. This line of thought of course does not serve the the narrow minded thinking of some of the brass at the schools that are not all A or all B or their alumni.

It's just MSJ and CH now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are several other schools that have teams mixed between A & B. Figure out where you want to be and who you want to serve and attempt to raise your game to the A or drop to to B. Don't heavily recruit/develop for one or two sports while leaving the other ones out to dry... It would probably lead to a higher participation rate among the student body as well. This line of thought of course does not serve the the narrow minded thinking of some of the brass at the schools that are not all A or all B or their alumni.

Easier said than done. The resources/recruiting needed to go "A" in football is too great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are several other schools that have teams mixed between A & B. Figure out where you want to be and who you want to serve and attempt to raise your game to the A or drop to to B. Don't heavily recruit/develop for one or two sports while leaving the other ones out to dry... It would probably lead to a higher participation rate among the student body as well. This line of thought of course does not serve the the narrow minded thinking of some of the brass at the schools that are not all A or all B or their alumni.

Easier said than done. The resources/recruiting needed to go "A" in football is too great.

"A" Football takes too many true Athletic players to compete. While a few lacrosse players easily can play at A, the majority of players couldnt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are several other schools that have teams mixed between A & B. Figure out where you want to be and who you want to serve and attempt to raise your game to the A or drop to to B. Don't heavily recruit/develop for one or two sports while leaving the other ones out to dry... It would probably lead to a higher participation rate among the student body as well. This line of thought of course does not serve the the narrow minded thinking of some of the brass at the schools that are not all A or all B or their alumni.

Easier said than done. The resources/recruiting needed to go "A" in football is too great.

"A" Football takes too many true Athletic players to compete. While a few lacrosse players easily can play at A, the majority of players couldnt.

Truth.

It has never been a BL thing…. It’s all private schools and it’s been this way since most private schools starting accepting students. The entry ( first grade or now ore first) age has always been later then public schools so if you enter at one of the later grades the school asks you to “hold back” to be at age with the others.

Was it developed for the elitist ? Of course!!
Today they refer to these schools as “elite private schools”

What teams at Gilman are B conference. Gilman won the most MIAA school in the league. All A conference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's just MSJ and CH now.

MSJ, CHC, McD, Spalding & Gilman are the only "A" Conference schools across the board in all sports. Some of them are larger schools, some are smaller and some are co-ed etc... Congrats to those schools for competing year in and year out while sometimes taking their lumps against schools that specialize in a particular sport while playing A conference. LB is just about there except for football. They will probably return soon as the program gets rebuilt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's just MSJ and CH now.

MSJ, CHC, McD, Spalding & Gilman are the only "A" Conference schools across the board in all sports. Some of them are larger schools, some are smaller and some are co-ed etc... Congrats to those schools for competing year in and year out while sometimes taking their lumps against schools that specialize in a particular sport while playing A conference. LB is just about there except for football. They will probably return soon as the program gets rebuilt.

In all fairness, its been over a decade that LB has been "rebuilding" its football program. This is not a $$ or admissions standards issue: purely bad management and a lack of accountability, if in fact they want to complete in the A Conference. They went from winning the Conference to dropping out of the MIAA to become independent to rejoining as a B team. Sound and fury signifying nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's just MSJ and CH now.

MSJ, CHC, McD, Spalding & Gilman are the only "A" Conference schools across the board in all sports. Some of them are larger schools, some are smaller and some are co-ed etc... Congrats to those schools for competing year in and year out while sometimes taking their lumps against schools that specialize in a particular sport while playing A conference. LB is just about there except for football. They will probably return soon as the program gets rebuilt.

It s much easier to go A in all sports when you are a single sex school with large enrollment. CH and Loyola should be in the A in all sports, just demographically speaking.
Spalding is not A across the board in all sports. Definitely still B in Tennis, and possibly others.
Also positive that Gilman is B in Ice Hockey.
There is also talk that McDonough is dropping to the B for baseball and possibly golf this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's just MSJ and CH now.

MSJ, CHC, McD, Spalding & Gilman are the only "A" Conference schools across the board in all sports. Some of them are larger schools, some are smaller and some are co-ed etc... Congrats to those schools for competing year in and year out while sometimes taking their lumps against schools that specialize in a particular sport while playing A conference. LB is just about there except for football. They will probably return soon as the program gets rebuilt.

In all fairness, its been over a decade that LB has been "rebuilding" its football program. This is not a $$ or admissions standards issue: purely bad management and a lack of accountability, if in fact they want to complete in the A Conference. They went from winning the Conference to dropping out of the MIAA to become independent to rejoining as a B team. Sound and fury signifying nothing.

LB is primed to win a B championship this year in football. Before rejoining the A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's just MSJ and CH now.

MSJ, CHC, McD, Spalding & Gilman are the only "A" Conference schools across the board in all sports. Some of them are larger schools, some are smaller and some are co-ed etc... Congrats to those schools for competing year in and year out while sometimes taking their lumps against schools that specialize in a particular sport while playing A conference. LB is just about there except for football. They will probably return soon as the program gets rebuilt.

In all fairness, its been over a decade that LB has been "rebuilding" its football program. This is not a $$ or admissions standards issue: purely bad management and a lack of accountability, if in fact they want to complete in the A Conference. They went from winning the Conference to dropping out of the MIAA to become independent to rejoining as a B team. Sound and fury signifying nothing.

LB is primed to win a B championship this year in football. Before rejoining the A

Didn’t LB just lose to St. Mary’s in football?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams at Gilman are B conference. Gilman won the most MIAA school in the league. All A conference.

Hockey and I don't think they have a rugby team

Some of these schools won’t even have football in 5 years. A few no longer have the numbers to have a JV team. With the huge declines in youth football in recent years the numbers aren’t there to sustain it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's just MSJ and CH now.

MSJ, CHC, McD, Spalding & Gilman are the only "A" Conference schools across the board in all sports. Some of them are larger schools, some are smaller and some are co-ed etc... Congrats to those schools for competing year in and year out while sometimes taking their lumps against schools that specialize in a particular sport while playing A conference. LB is just about there except for football. They will probably return soon as the program gets rebuilt.

In all fairness, its been over a decade that LB has been "rebuilding" its football program. This is not a $$ or admissions standards issue: purely bad management and a lack of accountability, if in fact they want to complete in the A Conference. They went from winning the Conference to dropping out of the MIAA to become independent to rejoining as a B team. Sound and fury signifying nothing.

LB is primed to win a B championship this year in football. Before rejoining the A

Didn’t LB just lose to St. Mary’s in football?

Yep but they got some kids back and have stabilized the offense.......Concordia wins B though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's just MSJ and CH now.

MSJ, CHC, McD, Spalding & Gilman are the only "A" Conference schools across the board in all sports. Some of them are larger schools, some are smaller and some are co-ed etc... Congrats to those schools for competing year in and year out while sometimes taking their lumps against schools that specialize in a particular sport while playing A conference. LB is just about there except for football. They will probably return soon as the program gets rebuilt.

In all fairness, its been over a decade that LB has been "rebuilding" its football program. This is not a $$ or admissions standards issue: purely bad management and a lack of accountability, if in fact they want to complete in the A Conference. They went from winning the Conference to dropping out of the MIAA to become independent to rejoining as a B team. Sound and fury signifying nothing.

LB is primed to win a B championship this year in football. Before rejoining the A

Didn’t LB just lose to St. Mary’s in football?

Yep but they got some kids back and have stabilized the offense.......Concordia wins B though

Concordia is St Francis 2.0.
Just not sure how long they can sustain giving athletic schollys without bringing in tuition dollars.
They need a Poggi.

IMLCA had some Crabs and 91 LI Dominating. Cream rises to top. 91 MD looked terrible.

Crabs at IMLCA tournament show why they are a top Club for HS teams. Ate up competition there. Cant beat a team stacked with quality players and especially quality players older than many.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IMLCA had some Crabs and 91 LI Dominating. Cream rises to top. 91 MD looked terrible.

It’s crazy what college aged players can do against younger kids.

You must not have rolled over to Field 10/11 this weekend because Team 91 MD 2025 who hasn’t lost in years went undefeated again. Sorry you missed us come check it out at the next tourney

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must not have rolled over to Field 10/11 this weekend because Team 91 MD 2025 who hasn’t lost in years went undefeated again. Sorry you missed us come check it out at the next tourney

Someone said they will play in the 2023 tournaments this summer to be on age, true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must not have rolled over to Field 10/11 this weekend because Team 91 MD 2025 who hasn’t lost in years went undefeated again. Sorry you missed us come check it out at the next tourney

Someone said they will play in the 2023 tournaments this summer to be on age, true?

91MD at 25 is hands down best team in their age group.

Crabs at 23 is probably top 3-4 in country.

MD represented well this weekend in Florida!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must not have rolled over to Field 10/11 this weekend because Team 91 MD 2025 who hasn’t lost in years went undefeated again. Sorry you missed us come check it out at the next tourney

Someone said they will play in the 2023 tournaments this summer to be on age, true?

91MD at 25 is hands down best team in their age group.

Crabs at 23 is probably top 3-4 in country.

MD represented well this weekend in Florida!

Too bad Crabs 25 was not there. Even when they do go to a competitive tourney, they request to be in an easier bracket. 91MD 25's should play in 2024 bracket, that would put most of team on age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must not have rolled over to Field 10/11 this weekend because Team 91 MD 2025 who hasn’t lost in years went undefeated again. Sorry you missed us come check it out at the next tourney

Someone said they will play in the 2023 tournaments this summer to be on age, true?

91MD at 25 is hands down best team in their age group.

Crabs at 23 is probably top 3-4 in country.

MD represented well this weekend in Florida!

Too bad Crabs 25 was not there. Even when they do go to a competitive tourney, they request to be in an easier bracket. 91MD 25's should play in 2024 bracket, that would put most of team on age.

Only if the 24's go play in the '23 division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must not have rolled over to Field 10/11 this weekend because Team 91 MD 2025 who hasn’t lost in years went undefeated again. Sorry you missed us come check it out at the next tourney

Someone said they will play in the 2023 tournaments this summer to be on age, true?

91MD at 25 is hands down best team in their age group.

Crabs at 23 is probably top 3-4 in country.

MD represented well this weekend in Florida!

Too bad Crabs 25 was not there. Even when they do go to a competitive tourney, they request to be in an easier bracket. 91MD 25's should play in 2024 bracket, that would put most of team on age.

The 25's are 26's. You need to do Crabs Math. Still coming along in the classroom. Slowly but surel.....Well, slowly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must not have rolled over to Field 10/11 this weekend because Team 91 MD 2025 who hasn’t lost in years went undefeated again. Sorry you missed us come check it out at the next tourney

Someone said they will play in the 2023 tournaments this summer to be on age, true?

91MD at 25 is hands down best team in their age group.

Crabs at 23 is probably top 3-4 in country.

MD represented well this weekend in Florida!

Too bad Crabs 25 was not there. Even when they do go to a competitive tourney, they request to be in an easier bracket. 91MD 25's should play in 2024 bracket, that would put most of team on age.

The 25's are 26's. You need to do Crabs Math. Still coming along in the classroom. Slowly but surel.....Well, slowly

This looks like a comment from a Barely Literate (BL)/Crabs grad. Crabs '23 has it's share of true '22's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must not have rolled over to Field 10/11 this weekend because Team 91 MD 2025 who hasn’t lost in years went undefeated again. Sorry you missed us come check it out at the next tourney

Someone said they will play in the 2023 tournaments this summer to be on age, true?

The '25s will play up in the 23' brackets this summer and do OK. The current 23's will play down in the '25 bracket b/c they don't have holdbacks (other than MM) and can't be expected to compete with their grad class peers. This will also help MM win on-field fights he gets in when not sitting the game out due to a hangover.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must not have rolled over to Field 10/11 this weekend because Team 91 MD 2025 who hasn’t lost in years went undefeated again. Sorry you missed us come check it out at the next tourney

Someone said they will play in the 2023 tournaments this summer to be on age, true?

91MD at 25 is hands down best team in their age group.

Crabs at 23 is probably top 3-4 in country.

MD represented well this weekend in Florida!

Too bad Crabs 25 was not there. Even when they do go to a competitive tourney, they request to be in an easier bracket. 91MD 25's should play in 2024 bracket, that would put most of team on age.

The 25's are 26's. You need to do Crabs Math. Still coming along in the classroom. Slowly but surel.....Well, slowly

Has Crabs 2025 picked up any new players to backfill the exodus that took place? I hear there are spots at the BL boarding school-see King Crab.

Yes all out of state boys with sub par talent. Feel bad for the boys that committed to the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all out of state boys with sub par talent. Feel bad for the boys that committed to the team

See you in the Spring Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all out of state boys with sub par talent. Feel bad for the boys that committed to the team

See you in the Spring Dad

Ok Dad. Too bad your kid couldn’t make their home state lax club team. Oh wait that’s right they don’t have any clubs and your kid is below average. Again feel bad for the in state kids who committed to the team and are now stuck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all out of state boys with sub par talent. Feel bad for the boys that committed to the team

See you in the Spring Dad

Ok Dad. Too bad your kid couldn’t make their home state lax club team. Oh wait that’s right they don’t have any clubs and your kid is below average. Again feel bad for the in state kids who committed to the team and are now stuck

Welcome to your kids future if he plans on playing for an MIAA school. This is the norm; why do you think BL has dorms now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all out of state boys with sub par talent. Feel bad for the boys that committed to the team

See you in the Spring Dad

Ok Dad. Too bad your kid couldn’t make their home state lax club team. Oh wait that’s right they don’t have any clubs and your kid is below average. Again feel bad for the in state kids who committed to the team and are now stuck

Welcome to your kids future if he plans on playing for an MIAA school. This is the norm; why do you think BL has dorms now?

Went to a gathering recently with a lot of former BL lacrosse graduates. They should build a career center instead of dorms. I didn't think it was possible for an entire class to fail at life. Go chase that lax. Looks like It's 100% worth it in the long run. My son will need cheap labor to hire one day so at least we know where the pipeline will come from. Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes all out of state boys with sub par talent. Feel bad for the boys that committed to the team

See you in the Spring Dad

Ok Dad. Too bad your kid couldn’t make their home state lax club team. Oh wait that’s right they don’t have any clubs and your kid is below average. Again feel bad for the in state kids who committed to the team and are now stuck

Welcome to your kids future if he plans on playing for an MIAA school. This is the norm; why do you think BL has dorms now?

Went to a gathering recently with a lot of former BL lacrosse graduates. They should build a career center instead of dorms. I didn't think it was possible for an entire class to fail at life. Go chase that lax. Looks like It's 100% worth it in the long run. My son will need cheap labor to hire one day so at least we know where the pipeline will come from. Thanks in advance.

Sorry your kid got cut; keep working hard!

So true. Grads are all mid level employees coaching and living in the past. Sociology at its besr

How many Crabs 2026's are going to be "commuters" attending BL in the fall??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many Crabs 2026's are going to be "commuters" attending BL in the fall??

YAWN.....next topic

How are the crabs 27s? Trying to get a read on how the crabs 28s will be next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the crabs 27s? Trying to get a read on how the crabs 28s will be next year.

They just lost to True so not looking that amazing which had a 4-0 lead over them to start their game. Their big cali trip looked to be a dud. Looking actually worse than last year at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the crabs 27s? Trying to get a read on how the crabs 28s will be next year.

I always enjoy these types of posts. Ma’am please enlighten us all to what elite level club your son plays on that has no holdbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the crabs 27s? Trying to get a read on how the crabs 28s will be next year.

I always enjoy these types of posts. Ma’am please enlighten us all to what elite level club your son plays on that has no holdbacks?

My son is not a holdback. I look at the holdbacks on his team the same way I look at crabs holdbacks. There are just happens to be way more on crabs than any other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the crabs 27s? Trying to get a read on how the crabs 28s will be next year.

I always enjoy these types of posts. Ma’am please enlighten us all to what elite level club your son plays on that has no holdbacks?

My son is not a holdback. I look at the holdbacks on his team the same way I look at crabs holdbacks. There are just happens to be way more on crabs than any other clubs.

Make sure you let those parents know how you feel while standing on the sidelines next to them face to face. 🤔

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the crabs 27s? Trying to get a read on how the crabs 28s will be next year.

I always enjoy these types of posts. Ma’am please enlighten us all to what elite level club your son plays on that has no holdbacks?

My son is not a holdback. I look at the holdbacks on his team the same way I look at crabs holdbacks. There are just happens to be way more on crabs than any other clubs.

Make sure you let those parents know how you feel while standing on the sidelines next to them face to face. 🤔

Of course there are more on Crabs than another club-because it is promoted by King Crab. He has promoted it not for years, but decades, as have the BL coaches going back to the 80's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the crabs 27s? Trying to get a read on how the crabs 28s will be next year.

I always enjoy these types of posts. Ma’am please enlighten us all to what elite level club your son plays on that has no holdbacks?

My son is not a holdback. I look at the holdbacks on his team the same way I look at crabs holdbacks. There are just happens to be way more on crabs than any other clubs.

Make sure you let those parents know how you feel while standing on the sidelines next to them face to face. 🤔

Make sure you tell everyone your kid is a year older when he out muscles the younger kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the crabs 27s? Trying to get a read on how the crabs 28s will be next year.

I always enjoy these types of posts. Ma’am please enlighten us all to what elite level club your son plays on that has no holdbacks?

My son is not a holdback. I look at the holdbacks on his team the same way I look at crabs holdbacks. There are just happens to be way more on crabs than any other clubs.

Make sure you let those parents know how you feel while standing on the sidelines next to them face to face. 🤔

Make sure you tell everyone your kid is a year older when he out muscles the younger kids.

BL School has also promoted the holdback going back to the 80's. Gave them a major advantage until other schools caught on at the percentage that it occurs @ BL. The current move there is the "International Boarding School" This is home to arts & humanities students..... Yea right??

Kids hold back because they can’t cut it academically or are immature socially. Not for an advantage in Lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids hold back because they can’t cut it academically or are immature socially. Not for an advantage in Lacrosse.

Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids hold back because they can’t cut it academically or are immature socially. Not for an advantage in Lacrosse.

You’re joking, right? People absolutely hold their kids back for an advantage in sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids hold back because they can’t cut it academically or are immature socially. Not for an advantage in Lacrosse.

And, If you believe that …. there is a bridge for sale in Brooklyn!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids hold back because they can’t cut it academically or are immature socially. Not for an advantage in Lacrosse.

You’re joking, right? People absolutely hold their kids back for an advantage in sports.

I would say 90% of the kids that are held back is because of sports! At least from what I see in our area. However, It does also offer other advantages having an extra year academically. So? Probably worth doing for both reasons.

Malcolm Gladwell literally wrote a chapter in one of his books about holdings kids back for athletic advantages: https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2008/12/malcolm-gladwells-outliers-and-making.html

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Malcolm Gladwell literally wrote a chapter in one of his books about holdings kids back for athletic advantages: https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2008/12/malcolm-gladwells-outliers-and-making.html

but that's hockey

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Malcolm Gladwell literally wrote a chapter in one of his books about holdings kids back for athletic advantages: https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2008/12/malcolm-gladwells-outliers-and-making.html

but that's hockey

AND FROM 2008 so its not relevant

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Malcolm Gladwell literally wrote a chapter in one of his books about holdings kids back for athletic advantages: https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2008/12/malcolm-gladwells-outliers-and-making.html

but that's hockey

AND FROM 2008 so its not relevant

King Crab & the whole BL sports Lax complex have pushed holdbacks for years. Their middle school gives them the perfect opportunity to do this. Not very many of their senior starters will turn 18 this calendar year-that happened last year. If it does not give you an advantage then why are you doing it? Please just answer that question....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Malcolm Gladwell literally wrote a chapter in one of his books about holdings kids back for athletic advantages: https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2008/12/malcolm-gladwells-outliers-and-making.html

but that's hockey

AND FROM 2008 so its not relevant

King Crab & the whole BL sports Lax complex have pushed holdbacks for years. Their middle school gives them the perfect opportunity to do this. Not very many of their senior starters will turn 18 this calendar year-that happened last year. If it does not give you an advantage then why are you doing it? Please just answer that question....

Who cares. This topic has been beaten to death and if you don’t know why it’s being done then no one can help. Next topic.

holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Malcolm Gladwell literally wrote a chapter in one of his books about holdings kids back for athletic advantages: https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2008/12/malcolm-gladwells-outliers-and-making.html

but that's hockey

AND FROM 2008 so its not relevant

King Crab & the whole BL sports Lax complex have pushed holdbacks for years. Their middle school gives them the perfect opportunity to do this. Not very many of their senior starters will turn 18 this calendar year-that happened last year. If it does not give you an advantage then why are you doing it? Please just answer that question....

Who cares. This topic has been beaten to death and if you don’t know why it’s being done then no one can help. Next topic.

BL's loss to Severn. Maybe they can promote some of their Juniors off JV team to Varsity to help win these types of games.

What happened to the vaunted 2025 Nike team? Wasn’t this team a handpicked Crabs/FCA/91/LB/McD/St.Paul’s special. Invite lots of kids and charge them $300 and send them home with some film and a broken heart. Classic Crab-get them a cakewalk in pool play only to have a Sunday meltdown. Will the brain trust ever run a fair tryout to truly get the best players on a Nike team? Probably not-just about $$. My kid did not tryout-busy playing in out of town tourney. Just the same observations of UA/Nike over the years in Bmore…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the crabs 27s? Trying to get a read on how the crabs 28s will be next year.

I always enjoy these types of posts. Ma’am please enlighten us all to what elite level club your son plays on that has no holdbacks?

My son is not a holdback. I look at the holdbacks on his team the same way I look at crabs holdbacks. There are just happens to be way more on crabs than any other clubs.

Make sure you let those parents know how you feel while standing on the sidelines next to them face to face. 🤔

Make sure you tell everyone your kid is a year older when he out muscles the younger kids.

Fun fact, holdback parents are quite good at changing the subject ("I mean, all the kids are big these days!") or not answering that question directly ("Oh his birthday is in January" (when asked how old), or answering it in a joke ("Oh I don't know why he's so big in 8th grade, maybe he's really 22 years old, ha ha!").

If they are academic or "maturity" holdbacks, the parents are honest about it about 50% of the time. Sports-specific holdback parents - evasive. If it's no big deal and it's allowed, why so coy about it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids hold back because they can’t cut it academically or are immature socially. Not for an advantage in Lacrosse.

And, If you believe that …. there is a bridge for sale in Brooklyn!

I got many for sale around the country if you believe kids are not heldback for sports purposes only.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the vaunted 2025 Nike team? Wasn’t this team a handpicked Crabs/FCA/91/LB/McD/St.Paul’s special. Invite lots of kids and charge them $300 and send them home with some film and a broken heart. Classic Crab-get them a cakewalk in pool play only to have a Sunday meltdown. Will the brain trust ever run a fair tryout to truly get the best players on a Nike team? Probably not-just about $$. My kid did not tryout-busy playing in out of town tourney. Just the same observations of UA/Nike over the years in Bmore…

Yup and the kids that made sent in their film from 8th grade and made it. And the One attacker that didn’t tryout or send in the film was on the team. All politics and nothing more

Crabs foundation donations must be in full swing for the OOS players. Must be a holdback to qualify.

I'm hearing there is gonna be a lot of turnover on that '27 team. At least 7 new faces. Which is more than they have replaced in the past. Hearing they are looking or a whole new midfield and to replace their bottom 2 attackers and defenders.
Some good opportunities for some kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm hearing there is gonna be a lot of turnover on that '27 team. At least 7 new faces. Which is more than they have replaced in the past. Hearing they are looking or a whole new midfield and to replace their bottom 2 attackers and defenders.
Some good opportunities for some kids.

Has anyone actually heard anything about who made the team for any of the Crabs teams, other than the email blast sent out last week?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm hearing there is gonna be a lot of turnover on that '27 team. At least 7 new faces. Which is more than they have replaced in the past. Hearing they are looking or a whole new midfield and to replace their bottom 2 attackers and defenders.
Some good opportunities for some kids.

Has anyone actually heard anything about who made the team for any of the Crabs teams, other than the email blast sent out last week?

If you haven’t heard either way, yet, you are likely on the bubble and contingent upon other offers. Reach out to the coach and ask.

Is it really that bad for 27 that you remind us of "some good opportunities"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm hearing there is gonna be a lot of turnover on that '27 team. At least 7 new faces. Which is more than they have replaced in the past. Hearing they are looking or a whole new midfield and to replace their bottom 2 attackers and defenders.
Some good opportunities for some kids.

too bad those opportunities are being taken by the 2026 kids who ride the pine.

Does crabs still allow hold backs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does crabs still allow hold backs?

By high school, that’s all they want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm hearing there is gonna be a lot of turnover on that '27 team. At least 7 new faces. Which is more than they have replaced in the past. Hearing they are looking or a whole new midfield and to replace their bottom 2 attackers and defenders.
Some good opportunities for some kids.

too bad those opportunities are being taken by the 2026 kids who ride the pine.

so true!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does crabs still allow hold backs?

"Allow"? More like strongly recommend/encourage.

Is the 2025 Crabs goalie, as well as others out?

Looks like some big changes coming to 2025 again!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 2025 Crabs goalie, as well as others out?

Went to Team 91 Shock. The Coach and King Crab said they were going to blow up the team. So they did. Thank goodness Kelly is leaving and hopefully new coach will be a better fit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does crabs still allow hold backs?

By high school, that’s all they want.

of course

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm hearing there is gonna be a lot of turnover on that '27 team. At least 7 new faces. Which is more than they have replaced in the past. Hearing they are looking or a whole new midfield and to replace their bottom 2 attackers and defenders.
Some good opportunities for some kids.

Last year at least 7 kids from FCA went to crabs.

Where

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 2025 Crabs goalie, as well as others out?

Went to Team 91 Shock. The Coach and King Crab said they were going to blow up the team. So they did. Thank goodness Kelly is leaving and hopefully new coach will be a better fit.

Where is Kelly going?? Back to FCA??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 2025 Crabs goalie, as well as others out?

Went to Team 91 Shock. The Coach and King Crab said they were going to blow up the team. So they did. Thank goodness Kelly is leaving and hopefully new coach will be a better fit.

Where is Kelly going?? Back to FCA??

True

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 2025 Crabs goalie, as well as others out?

Went to Team 91 Shock. The Coach and King Crab said they were going to blow up the team. So they did. Thank goodness Kelly is leaving and hopefully new coach will be a better fit.

Where is Kelly going?? Back to FCA??

Hopkins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 2025 Crabs goalie, as well as others out?

Went to Team 91 Shock. The Coach and King Crab said they were going to blow up the team. So they did. Thank goodness Kelly is leaving and hopefully new coach will be a better fit.

Where is Kelly going?? Back to FCA??

Hopkins.

Major Crabs 2025 rebuild is underway. 91 MD Fire goalie is joining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the 2025 Crabs goalie, as well as others out?

Went to Team 91 Shock. The Coach and King Crab said they were going to blow up the team. So they did. Thank goodness Kelly is leaving and hopefully new coach will be a better fit.

Where is Kelly going?? Back to FCA??

True

Got a job as an assistant coach at JHU

So 25s are in flux. Why would a ‘25 91Fire goalie go to crabs, unless he was the backup?

My kid played for the Crabs for 4 years and when it was time to play for the 8th grade team with Ryan as the coach he said ‘I’d rather play for a coach I trust because the last 4 years showed me this is a business @ Crabs and even though I start for the best team in the country it’s not fun anymore”. My reply, “awesome dude I detest driving through the arm pit of MD and act like I’m a pretentious laxer like the other dads on your team ”. He went to a smaller club & my kid thrived in 9th,10th grade and accepted an offer at a top 25 academic D1 program and just finished his freshman year thriving on and off the field. This is just a quick post to say you don’t have to drink the kool-aid because if your kid is a good coachable kid that loves the sport it doesn’t matter what club he plays for because good college coaches will find him. Be true to your values and if something feels slimy & it doesn’t feel right….it’s usually not good for your kid. That’s just my experience & I’m sure others will say my kid was a favorite of RM & he was great for their kid but my experience was different. Take it for what it’s worth on an anonymous name calling site but you don’t have to feel like your kid is missing something if he doesn’t play for the mustard poop color Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid played for the Crabs for 4 years and when it was time to play for the 8th grade team with Ryan as the coach he said ‘I’d rather play for a coach I trust because the last 4 years showed me this is a business @ Crabs and even though I start for the best team in the country it’s not fun anymore”. My reply, “awesome dude I detest driving through the arm pit of MD and act like I’m a pretentious laxer like the other dads on your team ”. He went to a smaller club & my kid thrived in 9th,10th grade and accepted an offer at a top 25 academic D1 program and just finished his freshman year thriving on and off the field. This is just a quick post to say you don’t have to drink the kool-aid because if your kid is a good coachable kid that loves the sport it doesn’t matter what club he plays for because good college coaches will find him. Be true to your values and if something feels slimy & it doesn’t feel right….it’s usually not good for your kid. That’s just my experience & I’m sure others will say my kid was a favorite of RM & he was great for their kid but my experience was different. Take it for what it’s worth on an anonymous name calling site but you don’t have to feel like your kid is missing something if he doesn’t play for the mustard poop color Crabs.

Sure he did, More likely he got cut and is playing for a non powerhouse D1 program, on the scout team at most. Crabs are the best and have been for awhile. They weed out the ones that arent.

If D1 is your goal, Crabs are a good ticket to get there

King Crab really only cares about his ego and the rep of the club.

NLF Championship for 2023 team, started a guest goalie (who is already committed) and mostly left his long-time Crabs (uncommitted) goalie on the bench. No loyalty. Crabs kid is a better goalie anyway. He'll find a great home. Speaks volumes about RM's lack of integrity though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid played for the Crabs for 4 years and when it was time to play for the 8th grade team with Ryan as the coach he said ‘I’d rather play for a coach I trust because the last 4 years showed me this is a business @ Crabs and even though I start for the best team in the country it’s not fun anymore”. My reply, “awesome dude I detest driving through the arm pit of MD and act like I’m a pretentious laxer like the other dads on your team ”. He went to a smaller club & my kid thrived in 9th,10th grade and accepted an offer at a top 25 academic D1 program and just finished his freshman year thriving on and off the field. This is just a quick post to say you don’t have to drink the kool-aid because if your kid is a good coachable kid that loves the sport it doesn’t matter what club he plays for because good college coaches will find him. Be true to your values and if something feels slimy & it doesn’t feel right….it’s usually not good for your kid. That’s just my experience & I’m sure others will say my kid was a favorite of RM & he was great for their kid but my experience was different. Take it for what it’s worth on an anonymous name calling site but you don’t have to feel like your kid is missing something if he doesn’t play for the mustard poop color Crabs.

I’m confused. Your son never played for KC because he left when he took over the team in 8th grade, but you had a bad experience with him? And at 14 he was able to figure out club lacrosse is a business? Yeah great story lol

You should check out some d1 college rosters you will see not all rosters are filled with Crabs. Keep pumping the dough to them though I will be looking for your kid at Elizabethtown😂😂

Jumbo Lump...er King Crab...is all about his brand and not about his players. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab really only cares about his ego and the rep of the club.

NLF Championship for 2023 team, started a guest goalie (who is already committed) and mostly left his long-time Crabs (uncommitted) goalie on the bench. No loyalty. Crabs kid is a better goalie anyway. He'll find a great home. Speaks volumes about RM's lack of integrity though.

That is a classic King Crab move. In fact his trademark. He will have a day of reckoning for all the bs he has pulled over the years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab really only cares about his ego and the rep of the club.

NLF Championship for 2023 team, started a guest goalie (who is already committed) and mostly left his long-time Crabs (uncommitted) goalie on the bench. No loyalty. Crabs kid is a better goalie anyway. He'll find a great home. Speaks volumes about RM's lack of integrity though.

That is a classic King Crab move. In fact his trademark. He will have a day of reckoning for all the bs he has pulled over the years.

Sounds like a move the holy roller from CH is famous for making- Play for the wrong team and talent doesn’t matter when it’s time to substitute.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab really only cares about his ego and the rep of the club.

NLF Championship for 2023 team, started a guest goalie (who is already committed) and mostly left his long-time Crabs (uncommitted) goalie on the bench. No loyalty. Crabs kid is a better goalie anyway. He'll find a great home. Speaks volumes about RM's lack of integrity though.

King Crab plays to win like the top talent players do. Sorry your son wasnt up to the task. Big Boy lacrosse takes big boy players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab really only cares about his ego and the rep of the club.

NLF Championship for 2023 team, started a guest goalie (who is already committed) and mostly left his long-time Crabs (uncommitted) goalie on the bench. No loyalty. Crabs kid is a better goalie anyway. He'll find a great home. Speaks volumes about RM's lack of integrity though.

King Crab plays to win like the top talent players do. Sorry your son wasnt up to the task. Big Boy lacrosse takes big boy players.

“Big boy players” = holdbacks that can’t play against kids their own age.

Sorry your son wasn’t up to the task of playing his age and mommy and daddy had to hold him back to be competitive against younger kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab really only cares about his ego and the rep of the club.

NLF Championship for 2023 team, started a guest goalie (who is already committed) and mostly left his long-time Crabs (uncommitted) goalie on the bench. No loyalty. Crabs kid is a better goalie anyway. He'll find a great home. Speaks volumes about RM's lack of integrity though.

King Crab plays to win like the top talent players do. Sorry your son wasnt up to the task. Big Boy lacrosse takes big boy players.

“Big boy players” = holdbacks that can’t play against kids their own age.

Sorry your son wasn’t up to the task of playing his age and mommy and daddy had to hold him back to be competitive against younger kids.

The great majority of the holdbacks are for sports purposes only. Sorry that many of the Crabs roster spots are holdbacks. Just shows parents were not comfortable playing on age or King Crab has bullied them into holding back-that occurs... Perhaps the school they put their son into made them holdback because the school has an inferiority complex about losing. Please don't attend that school. Play for the love of sport. Go somewhere that you can play. There is no pot of gold at the end of this trail for the player from a professional standpoint like there is in other sports. There is a current pot of gold for people like KC if you choose to get involved with him.

It is a true story and to answer your question my son interacted with RM all 4 years at every skills & drills (which are combined age groups) in the BL a gym, etc. that RM coaches and you’re made to feel you are required to attend year round. During those 4 years my son saw the favoritism and the back room deals to get players to club hop and that’s the business side I’m referring to. The brand is more important than player development. He didn’t like him or his coaching style so we left. Believe or not I’m just telling an honest experience we had and I was told about this site and after reading it I thought I would share my personal experience. I only wish someone told me this same story before I invested 4 years of my sons youth into a brand he didn’t need to get to his ultimate goal. My last post & I won’t return to read your digs at my story but every word is true.

Crabs showed this past two weekends why they are the Top Club in area and possibly nation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs showed this past two weekends why they are the Top Club in area and possibly nation.

lol
yawn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs showed this past two weekends why they are the Top Club in area and possibly nation.

Crabs are [Censored] without a) holdbacks, b) guest players, and c) players they poach from other teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs showed this past two weekends why they are the Top Club in area and possibly nation.

Couple questions
1- what age group
2- how many holdabacks ?
3- how many out town players ?
4- did they actually play any legit teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs showed this past two weekends why they are the Top Club in area and possibly nation.

Crabs are [Censored] without a) holdbacks, b) guest players, and c) players they poach from other teams.

Replace Crabs with "Every team in Elite"

You had a great run

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

And you did not pass reading comprehension, Crabs will still dominate HS with the holdbacks there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You had a great run

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Will never happen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You had a great run

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Will never happen

It's already happening. The Circuit checks birth dates and graduating class. Considering the Crabs 2027's played in Sand Storm last year with rostered 2026's verified by their own IG posts, it's a bad thing for Crabs.

Circuit will be bankrupt by summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Circuit will be bankrupt by summer

Everything G touches turns to gold.

That might be but they showed how easy it was to verify age and class. They had a full field of verified teams. I guess Crabs should be a little more careful in posting pics of older class players playing in younger classes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab really only cares about his ego and the rep of the club.

NLF Championship for 2023 team, started a guest goalie (who is already committed) and mostly left his long-time Crabs (uncommitted) goalie on the bench. No loyalty. Crabs kid is a better goalie anyway. He'll find a great home. Speaks volumes about RM's lack of integrity though.

King Crab plays to win like the top talent players do. Sorry your son wasnt up to the task. Big Boy lacrosse takes big boy players.

“Big boy players” = holdbacks that can’t play against kids their own age.

Sorry your son wasn’t up to the task of playing his age and mommy and daddy had to hold him back to be competitive against younger kids.

The great majority of the holdbacks are for sports purposes only. Sorry that many of the Crabs roster spots are holdbacks. Just shows parents were not comfortable playing on age or King Crab has bullied them into holding back-that occurs... Perhaps the school they put their son into made them holdback because the school has an inferiority complex about losing. Please don't attend that school. Play for the love of sport. Go somewhere that you can play. There is no pot of gold at the end of this trail for the player from a professional standpoint like there is in other sports. There is a current pot of gold for people like KC if you choose to get involved with him.

how did your 23 team do

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab really only cares about his ego and the rep of the club.

NLF Championship for 2023 team, started a guest goalie (who is already committed) and mostly left his long-time Crabs (uncommitted) goalie on the bench. No loyalty. Crabs kid is a better goalie anyway. He'll find a great home. Speaks volumes about RM's lack of integrity though.

King Crab plays to win like the top talent players do. Sorry your son wasnt up to the task. Big Boy lacrosse takes big boy players.

“Big boy players” = holdbacks that can’t play against kids their own age.

Sorry your son wasn’t up to the task of playing his age and mommy and daddy had to hold him back to be competitive against younger kids.

The great majority of the holdbacks are for sports purposes only. Sorry that many of the Crabs roster spots are holdbacks. Just shows parents were not comfortable playing on age or King Crab has bullied them into holding back-that occurs... Perhaps the school they put their son into made them holdback because the school has an inferiority complex about losing. Please don't attend that school. Play for the love of sport. Go somewhere that you can play. There is no pot of gold at the end of this trail for the player from a professional standpoint like there is in other sports. There is a current pot of gold for people like KC if you choose to get involved with him.

how did your 23 team do

Let me help you out, You should be asking people "How many holdbacks are on your 2023 team? That usually is a direct correlation to success. Ask the right questions and don't change the subject here. This is very important. The holdback teams like Crabs 2023, Crabs 2026, Crabs 2024 act like they have really accomplished something when they win. Players grow throughout high school. A talented sophomore (who could still be a holdback) playing varsity against upper classman is a decision made by the coach. To have to face a whole team of holdbacks at club tourneys that were put together intentionally is not good for sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

King Crab really only cares about his ego and the rep of the club.

NLF Championship for 2023 team, started a guest goalie (who is already committed) and mostly left his long-time Crabs (uncommitted) goalie on the bench. No loyalty. Crabs kid is a better goalie anyway. He'll find a great home. Speaks volumes about RM's lack of integrity though.

King Crab plays to win like the top talent players do. Sorry your son wasnt up to the task. Big Boy lacrosse takes big boy players.

“Big boy players” = holdbacks that can’t play against kids their own age.

Sorry your son wasn’t up to the task of playing his age and mommy and daddy had to hold him back to be competitive against younger kids.

The great majority of the holdbacks are for sports purposes only. Sorry that many of the Crabs roster spots are holdbacks. Just shows parents were not comfortable playing on age or King Crab has bullied them into holding back-that occurs... Perhaps the school they put their son into made them holdback because the school has an inferiority complex about losing. Please don't attend that school. Play for the love of sport. Go somewhere that you can play. There is no pot of gold at the end of this trail for the player from a professional standpoint like there is in other sports. There is a current pot of gold for people like KC if you choose to get involved with him.

how did your 23 team do

Let me help you out, You should be asking people "How many holdbacks are on your 2023 team? That usually is a direct correlation to success. Ask the right questions and don't change the subject here. This is very important. The holdback teams like Crabs 2023, Crabs 2026, Crabs 2024 act like they have really accomplished something when they win. Players grow throughout high school. A talented sophomore (who could still be a holdback) playing varsity against upper classman is a decision made by the coach. To have to face a whole team of holdbacks at club tourneys that were put together intentionally is not good for sport.

It's good for the sport of Dad having lunch at the country club and showing Braydenn's or Hayden's or Peyton's highlight reel to the other real estate brokers. Before Braydenn is "highly recruited to D1," rides the bench for 1 year, and quits the team when he finds a girlfriend.

Crabs had just 2 non-holdbacks on their ‘22 team last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs had just 2 non-holdbacks on their ‘22 team last year.

Surprised they had so many !

MD players are going to have to find a new sport. Can’t beat Long Island teams when playing a year or two down. Playing teams their own age is going to be a complete disaster. Well there’s always field hockey!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MD players are going to have to find a new sport. Can’t beat Long Island teams when playing a year or two down. Playing teams their own age is going to be a complete disaster. Well there’s always field hockey!

These rich parents flat out ruined the sport with their holdback BS. The PLL will never grow to where it should be because youth club lacrosse ruins the sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MD players are going to have to find a new sport. Can’t beat Long Island teams when playing a year or two down. Playing teams their own age is going to be a complete disaster. Well there’s always field hockey!

To your point, look at Team 91 MD's "roster" including a number of Westchester and LI kids for the upper HS years. Competing fairly well with the MD holdbacks also on the Team 91 MD squad.