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Posted By: CageSage Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/25/13 05:54 PM
This thread will be used to carry news and discussions covering the Crabs Lacrosse program.

The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/10/13 04:01 PM
What criteria do the Crabs use for their invitational tournaments? I notice they exclude certain teams that are of a high caliber and invite other clubs that are marginal (I understand the quality of clubs year to year)...they seems to invite teams and bracket them so Crabs are guaranteed a semi final or final slot...Crabs are a good team but the owner seems more focused on marketing his brand than making the boys better or getting the best talent in his tourneys
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/15/13 12:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What criteria do the Crabs use for their invitational tournaments? I notice they exclude certain teams that are of a high caliber and invite other clubs that are marginal (I understand the quality of clubs year to year)...they seems to invite teams and bracket them so Crabs are guaranteed a semi final or final slot...Crabs are a good team but the owner seems more focused on marketing his brand than making the boys better or getting the best talent in his tourneys


LOL. I am not with the Crabs, but that is a ridiculous statement. Take a look at the caliber of teams that were at Crabfeast:

Breakers
Crabs
CT Chargers
Dukes
Greene Turtle South
Laxachusetts
Express
Madlax
Sweet Lax

Those are some of the best teams in that class. Everyone knows that Breakers/Aloha stacks their tournaments to help their teams get to the playoffs. I didn't see the Crabs putting themselves in the weakest bracket possible.

Stop crying just because your son's team didn't get invited to a Crabs tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/27/13 08:12 PM
Whoa..why attack the breakers. Maybe we should skip the Crab tournaments and go elsewhere.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/07/14 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
This thread will be used to carry news and discussions covering the Crabs Lacrosse program.

The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit.


The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit that pays for the owners mortgage, childrens tuition and BCC membership....LOL
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
This thread will be used to carry news and discussions covering the Crabs Lacrosse program.

The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit.


The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit that pays for the owners mortgage, childrens tuition and BCC membership....LOL
Too many readers misunderstand the actual meaning of non-profit 501(c)(3) entities. One thing it does not mean is that there are no salaries being paid. It does imply a federal tax filing status.

501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations

501(c)(3) exemptions apply to corporations, and any community chest, fund, cooperating association or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, to foster national or international amateur sports competition, to promote the arts, or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals.[14][15] There are also supporting organizations which are often referred to in shorthand form as "Friends of" organizations.[16][17][18][19][20]

Another provision, 26 U.S.C. § 170, provides a deduction, for federal income tax purposes, for some donors who make charitable contributions to most types of 501(c)(3) organizations, among others. Regulations specify which such deductions must be verifiable to be allowed (e.g., receipts for donations over $250). Due to the tax deductions associated with donations, loss of 501(c)(3) status can be highly challenging to a charity's continued operation, as many foundations and corporate matching programs do not grant funds to a charity without such status, and individual donors often do not donate to such a charity due to the unavailability of the deduction.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/07/14 07:56 PM

The Baltimore Lacrosse Club, Inc is a 501-C-3 state registered non profit that pays for the owners mortgage, childrens tuition and BCC membership....LOL [/quote]

I think this post is both not accurate and is unfair. Yes, most club teams are 501-C-3 non-profits. And that is to manage the club. Inflows are player fees and outflows are fields rentals, insurance, coaches compensation, swag and other hard expenses to administer the club. Crabs is one of those among many.

It is true that in addition to the non-profit to run a club status, that the same club owners have a second and separate entity that is a for profit enterprise to run showcase events and/or tournaments. Many club owners do this...Adrenaline, Crabs, Madlax, Trilogy, etc. Yes, having a for profit side is maybe something people have an issue with since the club owners do profit well by it, but in fairness this is all transparent to you and all others. I see a point to your arguments, but to impute that Crabs guy or others are doing something wrong or possibly illegal is way off. They are working a system and the system is flush with cash to be had. The American way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/08/14 11:46 AM
I agree with this post fully. When a team is for profit you know what you are getting up front. These daddy run smaller clubs hang on to kids because they know the kids dad or mom for 3 or 4 years. They also beg the better players to stay with there club and give them a hard time when they want to go play with a Crabs,VLC or Madlax. Even though the player is a AA level player. The gym you go to takes 85$ a month and no one is mad at them. All the big clubs put there fees on ther websites for you to see.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/13/14 09:16 PM
I am interested in how many of the Crabs are age appropriate or hold-backs...the Long Island board keeps pointing to them as the biggest benefactors of holding players back and getting a competitive advantage. I don't agree but can someone put numbers up to quiet the Long Island lax folks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/13/14 10:24 PM
It depends. Through U15 they are age appropriate. Like most other clubs and tournaments, they use 9/1 as the cutoff. A 7th grader with a birthday in Aug 2000 or earlier would play U15 for them. Once this same kid gets to High School, he would play with the 2019 team regardless of DOB.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/14/14 12:09 AM
8 or 9 of the 2017 team are holdbacks and 2 of those players should be juniors. Fair right ? Pretty sad when freshmen can drive to their own games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/14/14 12:10 AM
The use of "age appropriate" is interesting.
8th grade year is when most reclassings occur. The U15 age group allows kids old enough to be in 2017 class, current ninth graders, yet they are "age appropriate" for U15, provided they don't play JV.

How many kids on Crabs U15 are old enough to be in 2017 grad yr, born before 9/1/99? How many reclassed or did a pre-first year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/14/14 12:11 AM
LI Dad here--

Yes, there has been alot of complaining about holdbacks. For the 2018 graduating class, how old are the boys on the team...same question for 2017.

If the players are age appropriate for their graduating year, then there is nothing left to say except sorry! If the 2018 graduating class boys are 1999 birthdays, and the 2017 are 1998 birthdays they are holdbacks (other than last quarter birthdays)...

truth is none of us from LI even care, until MD people start talking about how much better your teams are--similar posts regarding the recent assent of the Dukes clubs...of course kids that are one year older play better because they are bigger stronger, faster...once everyone hits 17, the advantage become less important.

So, if LI has it wrong, please explain.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/14/14 12:36 PM
Crabs have gone to a graduation year model for their 2021 and 2020 teams

50% of their 2021 team is with players that have already been held back a year and would be playing U13, not U11
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/14/14 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs have gone to a graduation year model for their 2021 and 2020 teams

50% of their 2021 team is with players that have already been held back a year and would be playing U13, not U11


They should change their web page to say "Bigger, Faster, Stronger, Older"!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/14/14 04:17 PM
Amazing. The Long Island parents will complain
about age differential but you'll still show up to play
at our tournaments. Please find another excuse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/15/14 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing. The Long Island parents will complain
about age differential but you'll still show up to play
at our tournaments. Please find another excuse.


We play anybody, playing up in age makes our kids better. It would however, be nice to choose to play up. Although, I guess we've all learned if you go to MD, your going to be playing up.
No excuses, we know the deal. What's your excuse for not be able to compete in age based tournaments that require birth certificates? Why do your teams duck those tournaments?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/15/14 08:49 PM
The age issue doesn't bother anyone in Maryland (and most of the boys are in the appropriate age brackets)...see you at Crabfeast. And this does seem to work, 2 Crabs committed to Hopkins, more D1 commits on the way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/15/14 11:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The age issue doesn't bother anyone in Maryland (and most of the boys are in the appropriate age brackets)...see you at Crabfeast. And this does seem to work, 2 Crabs committed to Hopkins, more D1 commits on the way.


Sure they do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/15/14 11:23 PM
Yes they did and let's be honest. One was a B level player in his own age group 2 years ago and had to reclass to be remotely competitive and the other could/should be a junior by now. Yes it's working great and you can have all the credit. Lots for this club to be proud of! Haha. I'm sure the majority of MD parents are happy to have you speak for them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/16/14 12:34 AM
It is particularly classless to attack the kids. Are you trying to make an argument that Hopkins offers out to B level players? Give it a rest. Our son plays for a rival club and goes to the same school and is in the same local circles with many of the Crabs kids and we know the families. There are a few holdback kids on that team, yes. And that is in a minority. In our son's class are five Crabs kids who are 14. Why the personal attacks? You think Ryan McClernan runs lousy tournaments? Really? Clubs all across the country flock to his events, they are well run, they are well priced at about $1500 per team (without the Adrenaline $300 "player fee" on top of the $2000 team fee piling on), the Crabs owner keeps it tight and well run with best officials (no cattle calls with 60 teams in each age group stuffed in a venue). Oh, and HE hires a videographer and gives a free copy to the college coaches who attend his events and sells game tapes to the clubs at a very reasonable rate. One D1 coach we know was very complimentary of the game videos con gratis. Really, McClernan is nothing relative in this market to criticize.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/16/14 01:50 AM
Sounded to me like it was just a comment on the holdbacks issue and how unfair it is to teams who don't use them a regular basis and that bragging about the 2 commit that are holdbacks just makes the point even clearer for us. I don't see any mention of the clubs tournaments. But you sure seem pretty defensive of him and the club. Gotta wonder why? Protecting the kids I get but wow sounds like a man crush to me! Keep up the good work for the cause!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/16/14 01:31 PM
No one is picking on the crab organization or the tournaments they run. Express team my son plays with was happy to be invited to young gunz and completely agree that was a well run, well attended program.

I think what get's the LI people going (only some of them)is the reclass/holdback argument. I also don't think it is fair (not sure this approach for lax pays off in the end), but hoenstly don't care enough to worry about it.

Look forward to playing crabs every year, and this year is no different.

I think we would beat your 2018 team more often if you didn't have a phenomenal goalie...

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/16/14 03:42 PM
Just for clarification, there is NO Crabs 2018 team. There is a U15AA and a U15A (Hardshells). These teams play in tournaments where all kids are 9/1/1999 or younger.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/16/14 06:39 PM
Yes, sorry, we played the U-13 team at Crabfest last summer...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/16/14 06:45 PM
the U15 team has a middie who should be a 10th grader but is in 8th grade...how does that work?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/16/14 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just for clarification, there is NO Crabs 2018 team. There is a U15AA and a U15A (Hardshells). These teams play in tournaments where all kids are 9/1/1999 or younger.

u-15 is 9-1-1998
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/19/14 05:59 AM
Stop it. Their tourneys are all age-based at U15, not grad year based. I doubt any player on that team is 8/31/98 or older.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/20/14 04:52 PM
There is currently no way to verify that the birthdate specs are obeyed, correct? Football posts rosters with ID photos. These IDs are obtained by sending birth certificate in to league, where we live, anyway. I realize that this will not happen too soon, but boy what a help this would be. I guess that for now we rely upon the honesty of coaches and parents. where could THAT go wrong?!?!?!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/21/14 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is currently no way to verify that the birthdate specs are obeyed, correct? Football posts rosters with ID photos. These IDs are obtained by sending birth certificate in to league, where we live, anyway. I realize that this will not happen too soon, but boy what a help this would be. I guess that for now we rely upon the honesty of coaches and parents. where could THAT go wrong?!?!?!


MD teams play down, always have. Go to the U-15 Championship produce the birth certificates. Reach the finals against kids the same age, and I'll never say another word about age. YOUR CLUB WON'T do it. By the way, try doing it without using kids from 10 different states.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/22/14 09:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is currently no way to verify that the birthdate specs are obeyed, correct? Football posts rosters with ID photos. These IDs are obtained by sending birth certificate in to league, where we live, anyway. I realize that this will not happen too soon, but boy what a help this would be. I guess that for now we rely upon the honesty of coaches and parents. where could THAT go wrong?!?!?!


MD teams play down, always have. Go to the U-15 Championship produce the birth certificates. Reach the finals against kids the same age, and I'll never say another word about age. YOUR CLUB WON'T do it. By the way, try doing it without using kids from 10 different states.


Said the Dad whose son was clobbered by the Crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 01/23/14 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is currently no way to verify that the birthdate specs are obeyed, correct? Football posts rosters with ID photos. These IDs are obtained by sending birth certificate in to league, where we live, anyway. I realize that this will not happen too soon, but boy what a help this would be. I guess that for now we rely upon the honesty of coaches and parents. where could THAT go wrong?!?!?!


MD teams play down, always have. Go to the U-15 Championship produce the birth certificates. Reach the finals against kids the same age, and I'll never say another word about age. YOUR CLUB WON'T do it. By the way, try doing it without using kids from 10 different states.


I find this debate so fascinating... There is no resolution coming (or at least it appears so) so this will continue to be a circular conversation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/12/14 02:20 PM
The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/13/14 02:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.


Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/13/14 09:33 AM
LI cutoff is dec 1


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.


Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/13/14 11:42 AM
Us lacrosse uses 9.1 too FYI as their cut off date.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/13/14 01:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.


Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.
here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/13/14 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.


Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.
here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow



In my opinion, the issue of freshman being recruited has made the cut off age a very hot topic. Just a yr or 2 ago they were recruiting jrs and face it jrs have matured a bit and are playing varsity. So colleges were generally looking at kids playing kids in their own geographic area with same age cut off dates. Everything good. Now flash forward to today where coaches need to see kids play on travel teams where cutoff dates are different and the kids from ny play much older kids in Maryland. Not fair but it is what it is. So I think this is just the beginning of seeing ny players reclassify sometime before 9th grade. Personally, we saw this coming from having older players and chose our child to repeat 8th grade. All doors are open for our child literally. We really don't care what our fellow LIers think because we know we did the right thing for our child. So my words of wisdom to players with late bdays in ny, if you don't align your child's bday with the rest of the hotbeds then accept the consequences and don't cry about it. It is what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/13/14 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.


Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.
here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow



In my opinion, the issue of freshman being recruited has made the cut off age a very hot topic. Just a yr or 2 ago they were recruiting jrs and face it jrs have matured a bit and are playing varsity. So colleges were generally looking at kids playing kids in their own geographic area with same age cut off dates. Everything good. Now flash forward to today where coaches need to see kids play on travel teams where cutoff dates are different and the kids from ny play much older kids in Maryland. Not fair but it is what it is. So I think this is just the beginning of seeing ny players reclassify sometime before 9th grade. Personally, we saw this coming from having older players and chose our child to repeat 8th grade. All doors are open for our child literally. We really don't care what our fellow LIers think because we know we did the right thing for our child. So my words of wisdom to players with late bdays in ny, if you don't align your child's bday with the rest of the hotbeds then accept the consequences and don't cry about it. It is what it is.


Or to put it a little differently, your son could not compete at his age. So you gamed the system and had him go down and play with the little kids. A very honorable choice for the sport. You should be very proud of what you taught your son. No chance this lesson you taught him will have any negative impact on his own decision making process in his adult life? Right? Ya know, just do anything to get ahead. Just as long as you're not breaking any specific rule, it's ok. That mind set should serve your son well in life. Sad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/13/14 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one thing you all seem to forget is that differet states have different age cutoffs for Kindergarten. In LI it is Dec. 31 and in MD/VA most districts are 9/1. So if your kid is a July/Aug birthday you might hold them back then so they are better prepared for school. Very few kids are held back after that. The difference in the cutoff dates makes more of a impact than you think. On my sons team which is one of the teams mentioned there is only one kid that was held back after kindergarten or reclassed.


Yup. And California is September too. We have a son who turned 12 in September who is in 6th grade by the rules and not by our determination. Frankly I would be offended it anyone said he's a cheater or we are, but let's stop wasting time...the LI posters are trolling. Don't feed the trolls.
here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow



In my opinion, the issue of freshman being recruited has made the cut off age a very hot topic. Just a yr or 2 ago they were recruiting jrs and face it jrs have matured a bit and are playing varsity. So colleges were generally looking at kids playing kids in their own geographic area with same age cut off dates. Everything good. Now flash forward to today where coaches need to see kids play on travel teams where cutoff dates are different and the kids from ny play much older kids in Maryland. Not fair but it is what it is. So I think this is just the beginning of seeing ny players reclassify sometime before 9th grade. Personally, we saw this coming from having older players and chose our child to repeat 8th grade. All doors are open for our child literally. We really don't care what our fellow LIers think because we know we did the right thing for our child. So my words of wisdom to players with late bdays in ny, if you don't align your child's bday with the rest of the hotbeds then accept the consequences and don't cry about it. It is what it is.


Or to put it a little differently, your son could not compete at his age. So you gamed the system and had him go down and play with the little kids. A very honorable choice for the sport. You should be very proud of what you taught your son. No chance this lesson you taught him will have any negative impact on his own decision making process in his adult life? Right? Ya know, just do anything to get ahead. Just as long as you're not breaking any specific rule, it's ok. That mind set should serve your son well in life. Sad.




You, my friend, have just fallen into the whining catagory. You're pathetic!
Who cares what other parents do with their kids. Keep your side of the street in order. I'm sure parents are really concerned with what the NY parents think when they reclassify their kid. Hmmmm hold my kid back which may enable him a better opportunity to get into a really great academic school thru lacrosse which the extra year of maturity will help with....or make my decision based off the feelings of a NY parents?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/13/14 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Us lacrosse uses 9.1 too FYI as their cut off date.


Again, take it back to the real issue...the late/early birthday cutoff is one thing, there will always be someone a year older on the team no matter the cutoff. The issue here is the early cutoff AND hold back, PG, reclassifying, (whatever you choose to call it) Its a problem during the "maturation" years. Justify it, complain about it, whatever... its not a level playing field at those ages.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/13/14 09:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
here is the funniest thing about us Long Islanders, the big time clubs both boys and girls (Express, 91, Yellow Jackets, Top Guns) do nothing but brag about how good they are. If you read any of the forums from any of those clubs you will see post after post how team A is so dominate that the only way they can find any real competition is to play up 1 or 2 age groups, But when a team from Maryland beats them they immediately start complaining about how you guys are cheating.
This is not to say that every parent from the afore mentioned clubs are complaining and crying about this topic, just the ones that either think the world revolves around Long Island and there precious little superstar, or can't stand losing so much that they must find a reason that there little superstar isn't the absolute best at everything
truth is both states are still producing the best Lacrosse players on the planet. Other states are starting to catch up but are not even close to what we can produce. The warm weather states think they will surpass us because they can play outside year round, But I think we easterners know the value of the inside game. Lets thank god for snow


I think we in MD and you in LI are on borrowed time. I have a 2017 and agree that the NY, Phila, MD/DC corridor just dominates, then there is a material drop in skill, depth of talent and lacrosse IQ outside these hotbeds. I also have a U-13 player and can assure you that there is little drop in quality from the hotbed teams to the warm state emerging teams...especially the Denver, Atlanta, Florida and California regions. East Coast dominance still exists with the 2017s and up, but it is on borrowed time at the youth levels rising now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think we in MD and you in LI are on borrowed time. I have a 2017 and agree that the NY, Phila, MD/DC corridor just dominates, then there is a material drop in skill, depth of talent and lacrosse IQ outside these hotbeds. I also have a U-13 player and can assure you that there is little drop in quality from the hotbed teams to the warm state emerging teams...especially the Denver, Atlanta, Florida and California regions. East Coast dominance still exists with the 2017s and up, but it is on borrowed time at the youth levels rising now.
This is precisely what the data supplied by BOTC has been suggesting. The conventional hotbed representation in the NCAA Division I pool this year decreased from 57% to 54% and while some readers relegate this to a single year statistical variation, BOTC thinks that this is a major tipping point.

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/14/14 02:08 AM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think we in MD and you in LI are on borrowed time. I have a 2017 and agree that the NY, Phila, MD/DC corridor just dominates, then there is a material drop in skill, depth of talent and lacrosse IQ outside these hotbeds. I also have a U-13 player and can assure you that there is little drop in quality from the hotbed teams to the warm state emerging teams...especially the Denver, Atlanta, Florida and California regions. East Coast dominance still exists with the 2017s and up, but it is on borrowed time at the youth levels rising now.
This is precisely what the data supplied by BOTC has been suggesting. The conventional hotbed representation in the NCAA Division I pool this year decreased from 57% to 54% and while some readers relegate this to a single year statistical variation, BOTC thinks that this is a major tipping point.

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this is the second time "sage", a soccer expert, has put up this chart. The first thing that comes to mind is that it is a chart of 2017 players, Freshman. This chart is telling us that before season starts that N.J is taking over as a hotbed over L.I. because, as of February, there is a little over 3% swing in Jerseys' favor in D1 recruiting and he is willing to call this a trend. The other 2 big gainers are Canada and Cali. Canada is no shocker because Lacrosse was the national sport for decades before they changed it to hockey back in the 80's if I'm not mistaken. Cali is a surprise but if you take there 1.4% combined with the other non-traditional, non east coast regions on this list Ohio at -0.7% and colorado -0.1% you come up with a whopping +2.2% gain in freshman recruits in "non traditional" areas as of February. I for one would not consider that a trend until at least that percentage becomes common for high school juniors for at least 2 years. As of today for 2015 recruits the same % from the mentioned areas is about 0.18% . Long Island alone is 0.123%. not exactly a threat
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/14/14 02:15 PM
[Linked Image] [/quote]this is the second time "sage", a soccer expert, has put up this chart. The first thing that comes to mind is that it is a chart of 2017 players, Freshman. This chart is telling us that before season starts that N.J is taking over as a hotbed over L.I. because, as of February, there is a little over 3% swing in Jerseys' favor in D1 recruiting and he is willing to call this a trend. The other 2 big gainers are Canada and Cali. Canada is no shocker because Lacrosse was the national sport for decades before they changed it to hockey back in the 80's if I'm not mistaken. Cali is a surprise but if you take there 1.4% combined with the other non-traditional, non east coast regions on this list Ohio at -0.7% and colorado -0.1% you come up with a whopping +2.2% gain in freshman recruits in "non traditional" areas as of February. I for one would not consider that a trend until at least that percentage becomes common for high school juniors for at least 2 years. As of today for 2015 recruits the same % from the mentioned areas is about 0.18% . Long Island alone is 0.123%. not exactly a threat [/quote]

With due respect, your post has a few inaccuracies. Lacrosse has never been above hockey in Canada in terms of participation or following. It is accurate that hockey was discovered and played in Thunder Bay Canada nearly a century before hockey was an organized sport in Canada. You are correct that the box game became Canada's secondary winter sport in the 1980's and is immensely popular since.

My point was there is a material edge to the LI, Phila, MD/DC corridor in the 2017 age and up, and that this delta appears to be immaterial at the current U-13s. This corridor includes NJ...my plain error and no slight intended but Northern NJ is I feel part of the NY tri-state cluster and it is not unfair to put Southern NJ and parts of DE in the Philly cluster for simplicity. No slights intended to NJ folk, I meant the NY TO MID ATLANTIC to be a corridor in the comment, nothing more.

Sage correctly pointed out that the dominance of this corridor has been eroding, albiet in small increments, in recent years and the trend showing a lower delta of dominance for the Eastern Atlantic hotbeds is reliable and consistent. The lacrosse world is going rounder each year and that is plainly evident, and I think great for the game.

Instead of the data, use your own two eyes and check out a U-13 tourney bracket of games this Summer. It is astonishing how many great programs and coaches there are in non-hotbeds and how terrific some teams from GA, TX and CA are...among others. People like Liam Banks are changing the game in places like Alabama and Louisiana now.

LI is still fantastic and at a highest quality level. It is a mistake to take any of this as a negative onto LI. Look at it as lacrosse going from an "East Coast prep school" third tier off-the-run sport 10+ years ago at NCAA and HS levels to a "real sport". Wouldn't you feel prouder if LI was a big fish in an ocean rather than a whale stuffed into a mason jar? Game is changing. Be happy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/14/14 03:46 PM
I nerve said Lacrosse had a larger participation than Hockey, Just that is was the national sport of Canada for decades.

As for the stats, It seems that as of this early date for recruitment for 2017 to say that L.I. influence is on the decline is a bit premature. Without even knowing where this list came from it seems a bit self serving. One thing for sure it did not come out of Laxpower which in my opinion is the only reliable source for recruits.

This being a thread for Maryland I am more surprised about all the negative numbers down your way. You have produced some of the best players to ever play the game. Whats going on down there?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/14/14 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I nerve said Lacrosse had a larger participation than Hockey, Just that is was the national sport of Canada for decades.

As for the stats, It seems that as of this early date for recruitment for 2017 to say that L.I. influence is on the decline is a bit premature. Without even knowing where this list came from it seems a bit self serving. One thing for sure it did not come out of Laxpower which in my opinion is the only reliable source for recruits.

This being a thread for Maryland I am more surprised about all the negative numbers down your way. You have produced some of the best players to ever play the game. Whats going on down there?


What is going on down here in MD is the same thing that is going on up there LI. Baltimore is a small city about an hour away from DC (where the #s are going up small). LI has 5x the population of the state of MD. Your %s are goig down by the same delta as a percentage of the basis, or more, as compared to the other hotbed markets, DC excepted.

Get over yourselves a little. The point is valid. Lacrosse dominance in MD, LI and the rest of this corridor is declining. The non-hotbeds are rising. LI and the others will NEVER be the same in terms of figures this dominant.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse dominance in MD, LI and the rest of this corridor is declining. The non-hotbeds are rising. LI and the others will NEVER be the same in terms of figures this dominant.
This precisely captures the point of our original posting. US Lacrosse is clearly more interested in expanding the game nationally than spending time on regulations in already established areas. That mission of expansion will open new areas - and therefore expose many new athletes - to the game of lacrosse.

Unless NCAA Division I programs begin launching and funding lacrosse programs at a faster rate than the expansion plans of US Lacrosse, the pressure on existing hotbeds regions will only increase.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 02/18/14 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I nerve said Lacrosse had a larger participation than Hockey, Just that is was the national sport of Canada for decades.

As for the stats, It seems that as of this early date for recruitment for 2017 to say that L.I. influence is on the decline is a bit premature. Without even knowing where this list came from it seems a bit self serving. One thing for sure it did not come out of Laxpower which in my opinion is the only reliable source for recruits.

This being a thread for Maryland I am more surprised about all the negative numbers down your way. You have produced some of the best players to ever play the game. Whats going on down there?


What is going on down here in MD is the same thing that is going on up there LI. Baltimore is a small city about an hour away from DC (where the #s are going up small). LI has 5x the population of the state of MD. Your %s are goig down by the same delta as a percentage of the basis, or more, as compared to the other hotbed markets, DC excepted.

Get over yourselves a little. The point is valid. Lacrosse dominance in MD, LI and the rest of this corridor is declining. The non-hotbeds are rising. LI and the others will NEVER be the same in terms of figures this dominant.


I think all-in-all good - as long as the sport continues to grow. Meaning more colleges make lacrosse a major sport. If there was a decline in the hotbeds and the sport became less popular than that would be alarming.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 03/18/14 05:02 PM
My son is friends with several of the kids on the U15 team. None of the players should be in 10th grade. Would love to know where you get your information.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 03/25/14 11:06 PM
Crabs have a 2021 team? Where do they play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/11/14 05:13 PM
3d coming to maryland and doing an invite only summer high school all star team...they've already picked off a number of the top DC area club players. what team(s) are most affected? madlax, crabs, blackwolf?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/12/14 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs have a 2021 team? Where do they play?


Hoco league

If they played npyll they would have to play u13
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/14/14 03:54 PM
2018 Team 91 parent here.

Crabs are a first class organization. Love playing you guys. Too bad we don't play each other more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/14/14 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 Team 91 parent here.

Crabs are a first class organization. Love playing you guys. Too bad we don't play each other more.


How was the game? Who won?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/14/14 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs have a 2021 team? Where do they play?


Hoco league

If they played npyll they would have to play u13


Why? 2021 is 11uAA
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/15/14 10:36 AM
Because not all fifth graders meet the US Lacrosse birthday cutoff for U11.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/15/14 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs have a 2021 team? Where do they play?


Hoco league

If they played npyll they would have to play u13


Why? 2021 is 11uAA


Because half of their players are aged for U13A even though they are in 5th grade
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/15/14 01:57 PM
Why do you people cry about kids being 1 year older on these teams. We all want our kids to get better and play the best. And guess what when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older then them. Get over it. The other funny thing is most of these people on here are the same people who have aged there kid up a level at some point in some league because they wanted them to get better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/15/14 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you people cry about kids being 1 year older on these teams. We all want our kids to get better and play the best. And guess what when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older then them. Get over it. The other funny thing is most of these people on here are the same people who have aged there kid up a level at some point in some league because they wanted them to get better.


You said it..."when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older than them". Much different story. Everyone is aware of it when they enter HS. when they are in 4-7th grade & parents (& coaches) are covering it up, its a problem. You can debate it all you want, at the younger ages there is an unfair advantage. LI people should stop whining about it an the southerners should stop defending it. Until someone does something about it, some ppl will take the easy way out
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/15/14 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you people cry about kids being 1 year older on these teams. We all want our kids to get better and play the best. And guess what when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older then them. Get over it. The other funny thing is most of these people on here are the same people who have aged there kid up a level at some point in some league because they wanted them to get better.


Not sure who is complaining

The Crabs 2021 team is made up of 5th graders regardless of age. Because of this, they need to play in the HoCo/MYLA league instead of NPYLL

Come tournament time, they will have to find grade based tournaments instead of age based ones, or they can move up to U13A

I don't think they are trying to hide anything. Many people think grade based teams down to the youth level are the future of lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/15/14 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you people cry about kids being 1 year older on these teams. We all want our kids to get better and play the best. And guess what when they get to high school they will play kids 3 or 4 years older then them. Get over it. The other funny thing is most of these people on here are the same people who have aged there kid up a level at some point in some league because they wanted them to get better.


Not sure who is complaining

The Crabs 2021 team is made up of 5th graders regardless of age. Because of this, they need to play in the HoCo/MYLA league instead of NPYLL

Come tournament time, they will have to find grade based tournaments instead of age based ones, or they can move up to U13A

I don't think they are trying to hide anything. Many people think grade based teams down to the youth level are the future of lacrosse


in my opinion grade based teams keep the age disparity at a minimum or at least the same as U11,13,15. yes there are families that hold back their kids in Kindergarten or 1st grade. Most are kids with summer bdays. and I don't know any that are held back two years. Maybe there are but I'd hope that's rare. So when you're in a grade based tournament (most have separate divisions for each grade) the bulk of kids will be in about 15 month window. Tournament that are age-based it's a double year division ie u13, u15. So you can have teams made up of predominately older kids for the age group vs teams with mostly younger kids. I've coached in leagues/tournaments with both and I think the grade based has been the best in terms of matching up size and skill
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/15/14 10:43 PM
I agree with most of the people who wrote back about the crying about 1 year post. The grade based teams should be the way to go. But either format the kids are not far apart in age no matter how you look at it. The U13 and U15 age groups will always have kids a lot bigger and a lot smaller then each other. Would you people like a weight limit like football thrown in so all the kids will look the same size out there. Lacrosse is a great sport because you can make up for size with stick skills and IQ. I am sure none of these clubs are breaking the rules for the tournament they are in. I have heard of many clubs moving kids up and down to fit the format of the tournament. If your club is large enough it should be also doing this. If a kid is U15 age but in the 7th grade he should be moving back and forth based on the rules of the tournament his club is in. And the other clubs should be doing the same. So my point is when you leave the house with a U13 team to play in a grade base tournament you should be picking up some U15 kids in 7th grade or just go and get what you get and do not throw a fit. Thanks I am done with my RANT LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/16/14 02:12 AM
So the crabs 2021 team is really a 2020 but all held back so they can complete is a 2021 league. A true 2021 team gave no kids older than 08/31/03.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/16/14 11:14 AM
No that is not how that works. A grade based team is based on the year the kid will graduate high school. Its set up so when a scout is watching a game he will know what year the kids on that team will leave high school. Like it or not with a grad based system those are the kids from your sons class no matter if they are 1 or even 2 years older then him. Its lacrosse people the bigger older kids can not tackle your sons so everyone will live just fine.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/16/14 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No that is not how that works. A grade based team is based on the year the kid will graduate high school. Its set up so when a scout is watching a game he will know what year the kids on that team will leave high school. Like it or not with a grad based system those are the kids from your sons class no matter if they are 1 or even 2 years older then him. Its lacrosse people the bigger older kids can not tackle your sons so everyone will live just fine.


As long as your kid is the one 2 years older, ya know with the size and physical maturity to go along with it. You see, I play my kid up against kids two years older so he has to work hard and play tough. You play your kid down because you know he can't compete with kids his own age. So sad. You're probably one of those guys that calls the LI parents whiners because they just want a fair game. For those of us in MD that play with in the spirit of the rules and honor the game, you make our kids look pathetic. As if our kids can't play with kids from LI that are the same age. You're an embarrassment.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/16/14 05:41 PM
My son is on the correct U13 team and in the correct grade. The thing is if a kid is in the 7th grade no matter what year he is born my son will be going to have to beat him out or play vs. him no matter how old he is. So I would rather him start it now and find a way to get it done. We are talking about very high level teams on this forum. Not Rec. ball. I think all these kids baby egos will be find if they go 14-1 for a summer not 15-0. And the biggest part of these travel club teams is to make the player better not win games. I am upset that people think every kid that got held back a grade is up to something evil and his parents are crazy sports people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/16/14 06:31 PM
Crabs always preach Bigger, Faster, Stronger...and a lot of times it means older...there are 2 boys in 9th grade, moving private schools over the summer and repeating 9th grade and I have no doubt they will be on the Crabs next year. More talent migrating away from Crabs to other clubs. In fact I hae seen a number of Crab players on their HS JV teams that don't pass, always shoot...all about them..that's the way they are taught in that system...forget fundamentals
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/16/14 10:11 PM
Help. Where can I find stats on Maryland high school teams (St. Pauls, Boys' Latin and Calvert Hall). I'd like to see player stats with regard to goals, assists and points; other stats would be helpful too. Any suggestions?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/16/14 10:31 PM
So crabs have the Advantage with play back players if the kids are that good why not play up or just play with their own age if they are that good. Instead it is just about winning games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/25/14 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs have gone to a graduation year model for their 2021 and 2020 teams

50% of their 2021 team is with players that have already been held back a year and would be playing U13, not U11


They should change their web page to say "Bigger, Faster, Stronger, Older"!!!!!!


Add to that "Winners"
Great day yesterday for Crabs Nation! Still on top.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 04/28/14 04:06 PM
How did club blue look? I heard they gained some strong players from next level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 05/06/14 07:16 PM
Which age group Club Blue?
U13 Crabs beat them 12-0
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/23/14 04:18 PM
2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/23/14 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.


You FCA parents are machines. Stop crying about not being invited to top tournaments on this forum. Talk to people face to face if you want different results.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/23/14 06:17 PM
I know a team! How about that FCA team Blue Team, I am sure they would love to play in that tournament!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/23/14 06:23 PM
"Respect all, Fear none" ????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.


You FCA parents are machines. Stop crying about not being invited to top tournaments on this forum. Talk to people face to face if you want different results.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/25/14 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Respect all, Fear none" ????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2018 Young Gunz bracket looks interesting. 5 teams in Pool A. 5 teams in Pool B. 5 teams in Pool C. Only 4 teams in Pool D?? It's a shame there aren't any other good 2018 teams in the Baltimore area that could round out Pool D. I'm sure the kids could think of one.


You FCA parents are machines. Stop crying about not being invited to top tournaments on this forum. Talk to people face to face if you want different results.
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McClernan's motto is more like "Eat all, leave none"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/25/14 01:38 PM
You FCA parents are machines. Stop crying about not being invited to top tournaments on this forum. Talk to people face to face if you want different results. [/quote] [/quot

McClernan's motto is more like "Eat all, leave none" [/quote]

Cheeseburgers?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/25/14 02:07 PM
Crabs only enter tournaments with weak fields
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/25/14 02:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs only enter tournaments with weak fields


I'm no fan of Crabs, but I disagree. There are few more competitive tournaments than Crabfeast, Young Guns which is McClernan's main Summer event. He also runs the NSLCA with a few of his friendlies, and those tournaments are also first rate.

I do agree that Crabs attend tournaments that are going weaker relative to what they were, but I would account to that being competition from other tournaments and parity meaning more good teams in more places going to multiple tournaments every weekend it seems now. I also think another factor is McClernan is not liked by many others in the sport who had sand kicked in their faces for years. If there are two competing first rate tournaments, more better clubs are going to steer away from the Crabs one. It is already happening in the high school ages. The same weekend as the NSLCA Cup there was an Adrenaline tournament and nobody can argue where the best teams went. They went to the Adrenaline one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/26/14 12:26 AM
2021 bracket should be fun
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/26/14 08:43 PM
Ryan McLernan for Boys' Latin head coach. Cheeseburger Nation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/28/14 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ryan McLernan for Boys' Latin head coach. Cheeseburger Nation.


Never happen, unqualified an BL has identified
his ulterior motives. Hopefully the new coach separates
himself from that club
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 12:28 AM
Any results?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 12:39 AM
What happened at Young Gunz this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 02:43 AM
The Crabs 2020AA got upened by the Rising Sons. How do we lose to a first year program from PA?? We even brought that monster down from the 2019's?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened at Young Gunz this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 10:15 AM
I will tell you why, because even though Rising Sons is a first year program, they have a nice little team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 11:25 AM
Crabs teams losing every where not the power house they once where.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 11:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs only enter tournaments with weak fields


I'm no fan of Crabs, but I disagree. There are few more competitive tournaments than Crabfeast, Young Guns which is McClernan's main Summer event. He also runs the NSLCA with a few of his friendlies, and those tournaments are also first rate.

I do agree that Crabs attend tournaments that are going weaker relative to what they were, but I would account to that being competition from other tournaments and parity meaning more good teams in more places going to multiple tournaments every weekend it seems now. I also think another factor is McClernan is not liked by many others in the sport who had sand kicked in their faces for years. If there are two competing first rate tournaments, more better clubs are going to steer away from the Crabs one. It is already happening in the high school ages. The same weekend as the NSLCA Cup there was an Adrenaline tournament and nobody can argue where the best teams went. They went to the Adrenaline one.


There is a reason this club doesn't enter a lot of out of state tournaments - they don't follow US Lacrosse rules regarding age eligibility. They had a 13 year old play for their 2020 team this weekend! Embarrassing that the organization would allow that at their own tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 11:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ryan McLernan for Boys' Latin head coach. Cheeseburger Nation.


Never happen, unqualified an BL has identified
his ulterior motives. Hopefully the new coach separates
himself from that club


I am not a Crab parent, but too curious. The very close relationship b/t Crabs and BL has served both very well. Crabs is basically a youth/junior high feeder program to MIAA schools and there is no mystery around McLernan's loyalties since he is a BL alum and once coached there.

McClernan is no saint, and is absolutely despised in some circles but I did not count BL as one of them. What ulterior motives? Beyond the obvious ones I can think of including use of BL fields for Crabs practices and tournaments at what I know is a friendly rate or a five finger discount, which ones would cast him in a bad light? In the end most of those loaded up BL teams historically have come from kids brought up through the Crabs system. Like all else in lacrosse that is going to change with growth and parity with FCA and Breakers coming up, but Crabs to BL to JHU is still the stranglehold. Can you enlighten us some more with your comment?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 12:09 PM
2020 crabs couldnt win with older kids at Young Guns. Pathetic!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 12:13 PM
2020 crabs coach did not even know the kids name. You should be ashamed!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs only enter tournaments with weak fields


I'm no fan of Crabs, but I disagree. There are few more competitive tournaments than Crabfeast, Young Guns which is McClernan's main Summer event. He also runs the NSLCA with a few of his friendlies, and those tournaments are also first rate.

I do agree that Crabs attend tournaments that are going weaker relative to what they were, but I would account to that being competition from other tournaments and parity meaning more good teams in more places going to multiple tournaments every weekend it seems now. I also think another factor is McClernan is not liked by many others in the sport who had sand kicked in their faces for years. If there are two competing first rate tournaments, more better clubs are going to steer away from the Crabs one. It is already happening in the high school ages. The same weekend as the NSLCA Cup there was an Adrenaline tournament and nobody can argue where the best teams went. They went to the Adrenaline one.


There is a reason this club doesn't enter a lot of out of state tournaments - they don't follow US Lacrosse rules regarding age eligibility. They had a 13 year old play for their 2020 team this weekend! Embarrassing that the organization would allow that at their own tournament.


I don't disagree with the MD reclassified point. The Crabs owner makes his living now putting on tournaments on the for profit side, and makes those tournaments more attractive by putting his elite Crabs teams in them. There is also a reason why the other elite teams in MD or DC areas don't go to out of state tournaments. The best ones are here. Who wants to sign up to go to Colorado and play in lesser tournaments at a great expense. With parity in the sport, good programs will get the memo that it is very lucrative to run tournaments. Adrenaline sure got that memo and read it. Their WCS teams no longer go to Crabs tournaments and don't seem to need to anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 04:11 PM
Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.


I've been a lacrosse parent for many years, and my youngest is now entering high school. He plays on a U-15AA team which will go on to be called a 2018 team in the Fall. When did this "2020" or "2021" for kids in 5th or 6th grade stuff start as a substitute for age specific groups? It is really a disgrace to the game to let youth ages go by school years with no parameters for kids being older to have an advantage. It is downright unsafe and unsound in every regard to put 10 to 12 year old boys out there with kids that might be two years older given this repeat a grade nonsense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.


I've been a lacrosse parent for many years, and my youngest is now entering high school. He plays on a U-15AA team which will go on to be called a 2018 team in the Fall. When did this "2020" or "2021" for kids in 5th or 6th grade stuff start as a substitute for age specific groups? It is really a disgrace to the game to let youth ages go by school years with no parameters for kids being older to have an advantage. It is downright unsafe and unsound in every regard to put 10 to 12 year old boys out there with kids that might be two years older given this repeat a grade nonsense.


my son's grade based (with 1 holdback) team played in age-based tournament in B division. we played some primarily 7th grade teams that played down into B instead of AA or A and the size advantage was huge. So the age based events and leagues with have as much or more age gaps than grade. Not saying parents don't hold back for sports or certain clubs and high schools don't take advantage. But most kids are held back when they're 5 and have birthdays within a few months of the age cutoff. So grade based events will have the majority of kids fall within 15 month window.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.


I've been a lacrosse parent for many years, and my youngest is now entering high school. He plays on a U-15AA team which will go on to be called a 2018 team in the Fall. When did this "2020" or "2021" for kids in 5th or 6th grade stuff start as a substitute for age specific groups? It is really a disgrace to the game to let youth ages go by school years with no parameters for kids being older to have an advantage. It is downright unsafe and unsound in every regard to put 10 to 12 year old boys out there with kids that might be two years older given this repeat a grade nonsense.


my son's grade based (with 1 holdback) team played in age-based tournament in B division. we played some primarily 7th grade teams that played down into B instead of AA or A and the size advantage was huge. So the age based events and leagues with have as much or more age gaps than grade. Not saying parents don't hold back for sports or certain clubs and high schools don't take advantage. But most kids are held back when they're 5 and have birthdays within a few months of the age cutoff. So grade based events will have the majority of kids fall within 15 month window.


I am 45 and am well aware since I was a kid that some parents have a kid do a pre-K year when they are five. The statistics for that are not mind boggling like they are in youth lacrosse. You are plainly incorrect that most of these kids fall in a 15 month window, or you have never been to Maryland and are not informed. U-9, U-11, U-13 & U-15. If you want to break that up make it 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 & 15. The point is this parental self esteem building strategy to have kids restrained for an advantage isn't just an advantage to have a debate on. It is also a serious safety risk.

Back in the day, the exceptional kids and bragging parents played their kids up at the same safety risks noted here...I have at least some respect for that decision. Sending a 12 year old in with 10 year olds is crass, classless and unsporting for any parent to do or any organization to tolerate or encourage. Shame on Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next time they will have to grab kids from 2018.


I've been a lacrosse parent for many years, and my youngest is now entering high school. He plays on a U-15AA team which will go on to be called a 2018 team in the Fall. When did this "2020" or "2021" for kids in 5th or 6th grade stuff start as a substitute for age specific groups? It is really a disgrace to the game to let youth ages go by school years with no parameters for kids being older to have an advantage. It is downright unsafe and unsound in every regard to put 10 to 12 year old boys out there with kids that might be two years older given this repeat a grade nonsense.


my son's grade based (with 1 holdback) team played in age-based tournament in B division. we played some primarily 7th grade teams that played down into B instead of AA or A and the size advantage was huge. So the age based events and leagues with have as much or more age gaps than grade. Not saying parents don't hold back for sports or certain clubs and high schools don't take advantage. But most kids are held back when they're 5 and have birthdays within a few months of the age cutoff. So grade based events will have the majority of kids fall within 15 month window.


I am 45 and am well aware since I was a kid that some parents have a kid do a pre-K year when they are five. The statistics for that are not mind boggling like they are in youth lacrosse. You are plainly incorrect that most of these kids fall in a 15 month window, or you have never been to Maryland and are not informed. U-9, U-11, U-13 & U-15. If you want to break that up make it 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 & 15. The point is this parental self esteem building strategy to have kids restrained for an advantage isn't just an advantage to have a debate on. It is also a serious safety risk.

Back in the day, the exceptional kids and bragging parents played their kids up at the same safety risks noted here...I have at least some respect for that decision. Sending a 12 year old in with 10 year olds is crass, classless and unsporting for any parent to do or any organization to tolerate or encourage. Shame on Crabs.


I have to totally agree with you, just because you "reclassify" a kid in Junior High does not mean they are going to get some major D1 scholarship. I truly believe the kids that are being held back by their parents make look great now because they are older, faster and stronger, but if they are not good enough to be a stand out at their own age, moving them down will only be a very TEMPORARY fix. They will never be good enough. As for people saying the rosters of all these top D1 schools contain kids that have been held back, I think that is blown WAY out of proportion. And, if you are holding your kid back for athletic reasons, you really need to have your head examined! US lacrosse needs to step in here and stop this practice, someone is going to get hurt big time. Unfortunately, I predict it is going to take that happening before the do something. In HS you know you are competing against kids that are older (9th graders vs 12th graders) but this should NOT be happening in 5th grade...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 06:52 PM
Crabs are what is wrong with lacrosse and youth sports. Hold a kid back for the chance to play a non-revenue sport in college. Those 2020 coaches are pompous, arrogant blowhards!!!

Any coach who respects the game would not have those older kids play on a 6th grade team. 3-2 great job!! You must be so proud of yourselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 07:40 PM
Let me hold my son back so that he can be a stud on the U15AA team next year - cannot wait! Let's pay for another year of private school - great idea because he might get a 25% scholarship, but unlikely. My son will really learn alot about life - since we can do it and can afford it. We will really be able to stick our chests out next year - cannot wait!

Heard the Crabs already have six kids repeating to play U15 again. King Crab must be proud, parents excited about their time to shine next year - junior will be the stud of this team next year!

This game of privilge with no future riches is all about egos!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 09:10 PM
I think Maryland parents invented the hold back game. U S lacrosse should institute what USA hockey follows. It is based on the year that you were born. If you had a January birthday good for you if you had a December birthday tough S..t If mom wants to keep you home for an extra year fine, but you still have to play with the boys your age. End of story.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 06/30/14 10:47 PM
As a multi year Crabs parent I can say that our experience has been very good. Great coaching, competition and parents. Every program has parents that complain and go out of their way to make a program look bad. I know several FCA families that are looking to switch for a variety of reasons and have been vocal about it. Nothing at all against FCA but my point is that any Club will have unhappy parents. At the end of the day our obligation is to our sons to make sure they are in a good learning environment and if they are interested in playing in college get an opportunity to get the exposure. We have been very happy with our decision to play for crabs. Every year we have asked our son if he wants to play for them and it is always a resounding yes. If you asked him why it would be because of the coaching and competition. And no my son is not a reclassifier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 12:02 AM
Not yet he isn't.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 12:31 AM
Grow up and stop thinking the world is against you. I'm actually opposed to reclassifiers but to each his own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 01:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a multi year Crabs parent I can say that our experience has been very good. Great coaching, competition and parents. Every program has parents that complain and go out of their way to make a program look bad. I know several FCA families that are looking to switch for a variety of reasons and have been vocal about it. Nothing at all against FCA but my point is that any Club will have unhappy parents. At the end of the day our obligation is to our sons to make sure they are in a good learning environment and if they are interested in playing in college get an opportunity to get the exposure. We have been very happy with our decision to play for crabs. Every year we have asked our son if he wants to play for them and it is always a resounding yes. If you asked him why it would be because of the coaching and competition. And no my son is not a reclassifier.


Don't bring FCA into this conversation. This reclass stuff is likely Long Island parents having a problem with it.....see every third post on their main page as proof. Everything on this page is not FCA vs Crabs. All that FCA people want is to play the best teams out there. Nothing more. And most likely the Crabs PLAYERS want to do the same....ask the boys. They'll tell you.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 01:01 AM
Think about it...you lost on purpose for seeding!! Coach is smart enough to put kids who can shave on the team but wants to play in the 91 Crush bracket who are beating teams by double digits, for chance NOT to be in finals? He tried to be slick and it backfired because they never made it there. Oh by the way even heard the "older" kid made some 2018 national team. Way to go parents! Must be a great confidence builder to bring him down to beat up on kids. Bravo!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 11:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Think about it...you lost on purpose for seeding!! Coach is smart enough to put kids who can shave on the team but wants to play in the 91 Crush bracket who are beating teams by double digits, for chance NOT to be in finals? He tried to be slick and it backfired because they never made it there. Oh by the way even heard the "older" kid made some 2018 national team. Way to go parents! Must be a great confidence builder to bring him down to beat up on kids. Bravo!


Smart one, (and that is said dropping with sarcasm) why in the heck would the crabs have thrown a game for seeding purposes? If the would have gone 3-0 they would have gotten the 2nd seed, received a bye and been opposite 91! I watched the sons/crabs game and there is NO WAY the Crabs threw that game, the sons just played better
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 11:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a multi year Crabs parent I can say that our experience has been very good. Great coaching, competition and parents. Every program has parents that complain and go out of their way to make a program look bad. I know several FCA families that are looking to switch for a variety of reasons and have been vocal about it. Nothing at all against FCA but my point is that any Club will have unhappy parents. At the end of the day our obligation is to our sons to make sure they are in a good learning environment and if they are interested in playing in college get an opportunity to get the exposure. We have been very happy with our decision to play for crabs. Every year we have asked our son if he wants to play for them and it is always a resounding yes. If you asked him why it would be because of the coaching and competition. And no my son is not a reclassifier.


Don't bring FCA into this conversation. This reclass stuff is likely Long Island parents having a problem with it.....see every third post on their main page as proof. Everything on this page is not FCA vs Crabs. All that FCA people want is to play the best teams out there. Nothing more. And most likely the Crabs PLAYERS want to do the same....ask the boys. They'll tell you.



It's definitely LI parents having a problem with it - follow US Lacrosse guidelines and put a team on the field of age appropriate kids. Baltimore hockey teams can't do this B.S. and Crabs (and you/FCA if you do it) know exactly the impact that older kids can have on a game. Crabs put a kid that weighs 150+ lbs on the field against true 11-12 year olds. Once they get to H.S. it doesn't matter as much but for youth lacrosse that's just bush league antics.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As a multi year Crabs parent I can say that our experience has been very good. Great coaching, competition and parents. Every program has parents that complain and go out of their way to make a program look bad. I know several FCA families that are looking to switch for a variety of reasons and have been vocal about it. Nothing at all against FCA but my point is that any Club will have unhappy parents. At the end of the day our obligation is to our sons to make sure they are in a good learning environment and if they are interested in playing in college get an opportunity to get the exposure. We have been very happy with our decision to play for crabs. Every year we have asked our son if he wants to play for them and it is always a resounding yes. If you asked him why it would be because of the coaching and competition. And no my son is not a reclassifier.


Not a Crabs or FCA parent here...I certainly respect the level of quality of Crabs players, but if your son is in the minority of ones who have not / will not be repeating grades, don't you at some level get repulsed by it? To each his own stuff is fine, there is no rule against it and certainly the NCAA coaches eventually recruiting the kids know the birth dates and the fact that the kids are older or not. But just at a basic level, does it bother you as a long time Crabs parent? I commend your measured post and hope this does not stoke any defensiveness. Repeating grades is happening everywhere but by that same reasoning we can all drive 100mph on rural roads and call that the flow of traffic and say it's a safe thing to agree on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 01:37 PM
It happens all over and more than you think. Just look at Friends and see how many transfer in for 1 year to repeat a grade. That is the new hiding spot for GC parents.

It has been going on in all sports for a very long time. Red shirt freshmen in football and just look at the NBA draft. Look at the top ten taken. Not sure if their were any kids who graduated but they were all 23, 24 years old.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It happens all over and more than you think. Just look at Friends and see how many transfer in for 1 year to repeat a grade. That is the new hiding spot for GC parents.

It has been going on in all sports for a very long time. Red shirt freshmen in football and just look at the NBA draft. Look at the top ten taken. Not sure if their were any kids who graduated but they were all 23, 24 years old.


I may be wrong, but what has been going on for a long time is PG years for kids taking a 5th year of HS at the end, not at the start. PGs tended to be kids who had been recruited for a sport but needed to pull up grades or scores. Redshirt football players is same thing. They take a first year of college to eat and lift weights to get up their muscle and weight. Neither of those is to sissy down when you start HS. In the NBA draft there are lots of foreign league pros taken who are mid 20s. Many of the NCAA early outs are 19 to 21 years old. LeBron started wrecking the NBA when he was still a teenager, Kobe the same. Don't see that point either.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let me hold my son back so that he can be a stud on the U15AA team next year - cannot wait! Let's pay for another year of private school - great idea because he might get a 25% scholarship, but unlikely. My son will really learn alot about life - since we can do it and can afford it. We will really be able to stick our chests out next year - cannot wait!

Heard the Crabs already have six kids repeating to play U15 again. King Crab must be proud, parents excited about their time to shine next year - junior will be the stud of this team next year!

This game of privilge with no future riches is all about egos!


Was at Crabfest/Young guns last weekend with kids playing in two different age groups. Crabs kids were clearly older. 2020 kid six foot tall with full hairy legs. Sad part is they could not even win a championship, even with crab refs making horrible calls. Little kids running circles around them at all age groups. Crabs are pathetic at the X. Keep holding your kids back, it doesn't matter. The better players from outside MD came home with the championship. Have a nice summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let me hold my son back so that he can be a stud on the U15AA team next year - cannot wait! Let's pay for another year of private school - great idea because he might get a 25% scholarship, but unlikely. My son will really learn alot about life - since we can do it and can afford it. We will really be able to stick our chests out next year - cannot wait!

Heard the Crabs already have six kids repeating to play U15 again. King Crab must be proud, parents excited about their time to shine next year - junior will be the stud of this team next year!

This game of privilge with no future riches is all about egos!


Was at Crabfest/Young guns last weekend with kids playing in two different age groups. Crabs kids were clearly older. 2020 kid six foot tall with full hairy legs. Sad part is they could not even win a championship, even with crab refs making horrible calls. Little kids running circles around them at all age groups. Crabs are pathetic at the X. Keep holding your kids back, it doesn't matter. The better players from outside MD came home with the championship. Have a nice summer.


Just to recap:

1. You know for a fact that all Crab kids are overage;
2. You claim all the refs were fixing games for the Crabs; and
3. You are boasting about some random youth lacrosse tournament.

Really? LOL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 07:55 PM
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 07:57 PM
Crabs owner started NSLCA in 2010 to basically send the recruiting / showcase cesspool down to infants. A 2021 team ?!? Clearly the school age criteria is an overt endorsement of the crap written out by posters. 2020 kids six feet all with hairy legs, what is this Mexican little league? The way Crabs owner tries to explain it is when U-11 players go up to U-13 they are sometimes not developed enough to make the U-13 team and you have to cut the kid. Actually, you don't. Just do two U-13 teams. But wait...Crabs don't do single A teams or B teams. An elite club can't have two U-13 teams, you have to have two AA teams by school year. The bottom line is the Crabs is a sissy pot for families with self esteem issues, and the NSCLA is supposed to be a private club that plays elite lacrosse that has nothing to do with the rest of the sport.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 08:29 PM

Just to recap:

1. You know for a fact that all Crab kids are overage;
2. You claim all the refs were fixing games for the Crabs; and
3. You are boasting about some random youth lacrosse tournament.

Really? LOL. [/quote]

We know for a fact the majority of all Crabs players are old for their grade. Their birthdates are on the team registration pages for tournaments. Quite honestly this classification by school year for teams on down to 4th grade is a big deal. It makes lacrosse unsafe at the younger ages. LOL and be snarky all you want on that point. It won't be very funny when a kid is seriously hurt or worse. This sport didn't care about commotio cordis incidents or standards for chest protectors until kids died playing lacrosse. This sport didn't care about safety standards for helmets until football wiped our arses for us to fund safety studies and standards after kids were killed by head trauma in lacrosse and football. For now it is just hilarious that young kids are out there with others who were not grade restrained and are year(s) older. Won't be very funny when it causes a grave harm to kids. Hey Ryan, get off these chat boards and get some class and a clue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let me hold my son back so that he can be a stud on the U15AA team next year - cannot wait! Let's pay for another year of private school - great idea because he might get a 25% scholarship, but unlikely. My son will really learn alot about life - since we can do it and can afford it. We will really be able to stick our chests out next year - cannot wait!

Heard the Crabs already have six kids repeating to play U15 again. King Crab must be proud, parents excited about their time to shine next year - junior will be the stud of this team next year!

This game of privilge with no future riches is all about egos!


Was at Crabfest/Young guns last weekend with kids playing in two different age groups. Crabs kids were clearly older. 2020 kid six foot tall with full hairy legs. Sad part is they could not even win a championship, even with crab refs making horrible calls. Little kids running circles around them at all age groups. Crabs are pathetic at the X. Keep holding your kids back, it doesn't matter. The better players from outside MD came home with the championship. Have a nice summer.


Turtles eat Crabs for breakfast, go back to prep school and prep! You need it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/01/14 11:32 PM
Keep it coming. You guys crying about overage kids and the owner of the Crabs are providing great entertainment for the rest of us.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 12:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep it coming. You guys crying about overage kids and the owner of the Crabs are providing great entertainment for the rest of us.


Yes, especially fun to see your overage goons LOSE, Agree great entertainment! Keep it coming! looks like a bad investment to me!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 12:11 AM
Did Crabs actually win any divisions at their own tournament with all their holbacks?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 01:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did Crabs actually win any divisions at their own tournament with all their holbacks?


Madlax dad here. You guys sound like a bunch of jealous, whiny man babies. The 2017 crabs team is a fantastic team. Not sure about the rest of the age groups though. I would guess they are equally as good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 02:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.


Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 02:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.

So 7th grade is the starting gate when can "weirdo dads" can point out that the Crabs have players a year and sometimes two years older than their opponents?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 02:45 AM
As a Lon Island parent I suggest we stop going to
the Crab sponsored tournaments and don't letCrabs in
ours.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 10:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.


Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?


The HS teams played in the CRABFEAST last weekend, buddy.

Yes, the Crabs lost in the championship by 2 goals to an excellent Turtles team.

Who cares? If you think the #1 priority of summer lacrosse is winning tournament championships, you are an absolute loser and your sons are not being taught the right values.

I am not a Crabs parents, but if you dislike them, why play in their tournaments? Spend your money elsewhere.

LOL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 11:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.


Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?


The HS teams played in the CRABFEAST last weekend, buddy.

Yes, the Crabs lost in the championship by 2 goals to an excellent Turtles team.

Who cares? If you think the #1 priority of summer lacrosse is winning tournament championships, you are an absolute loser and your sons are not being taught the right values.

I am not a Crabs parents, but if you dislike them, why play in their tournaments? Spend your money elsewhere.

LOL.


I wish people would stop with the "who cares?" and "if you care so much..." comments. It's fine for parents to care deeply about their kids' sports. And learning the joy of winning at something you work hard at is perhaps one of the most important values a kid can learn. Study hard for your test and get an A, practice hard and be in excellent physical shape and win the top lacrosse tournaments (or whatever sport your kid may choose to play). But don't knock parents for caring about their kids and how they perform on the athletic field. I have a bigger problem with parents who don't care, and treat it as a hobby. For the elite programs, too much money and time is invested to not aim for success.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.


Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?


The HS teams played in the CRABFEAST last weekend, buddy.

Yes, the Crabs lost in the championship by 2 goals to an excellent Turtles team.

Who cares? If you think the #1 priority of summer lacrosse is winning tournament championships, you are an absolute loser and your sons are not being taught the right values.

I am not a Crabs parents, but if you dislike them, why play in their tournaments? Spend your money elsewhere.

LOL.


"Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!"

Notice I said Young Guns and CRABFEAST'

Your really do need to learn how to read. And yes, Turtles beat Crabs easily. However, I was refering to the 2016 team. They were handily eliminated in the semis.

My younger son also played. It was my first time at this joke of a tournament, where Crabs were exposed as cheaters and losers. literally.

I care about these tournaments. If I didn't, I would not drive hundreds of miles every weekend like all the other parents who care too. My older son is ranked amongst the best in the country and is committed to a top school. Looking for the same for #2, and things are looking great for him as well. In 2 years, he will be recruited, so I am critical of people holding back there kids, and not playing by the rules. My son did fine because he has been playing up for quite some time, but that doesn't negate the fact that Crabs misrepresent themselves, and wound up losers anyway!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.


Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?


The HS teams played in the CRABFEAST last weekend, buddy.

Yes, the Crabs lost in the championship by 2 goals to an excellent Turtles team.

Who cares? If you think the #1 priority of summer lacrosse is winning tournament championships, you are an absolute loser and your sons are not being taught the right values.

I am not a Crabs parents, but if you dislike them, why play in their tournaments? Spend your money elsewhere.

LOL.


I agree, who cares if you lose to 17 yr old kids...time to find a new tournament
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 01:14 PM
if you don't like it why do you come and play in the tournaments. somebody must think they do a pretty good job because they had over 100 teams at tournaments this weekend. spend your money elsewhere. 95% of the teams that were there have been coming to crabs tournaments for years. And really to start attacking the refs now, that's pathetic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.


Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?


Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 01:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.


Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?


Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments!


Your coaches are about as "loud mouth" as it gets...I loved the tournament this weekend as a first time LI attendee, but c'mon guys, put an age-appropriate team out there...even your fellow Baltimore brethren admit that Crabs constantly puts reclassed kids ("reclass," what a great word) on the field. Heck, you have a 2019 kid listed on your website play for the 2020 team this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 02:49 PM
If you don't like it don't come. Ok. This isn't me as a parent complaining on the refs, I don't care about that. I care that these Crab tournaments and NSLCA tournaments which are Crabs / Tierney Denver tournaments keep shirking the point. Why keep pushing toward grade aged teams that perpetuates putting age different kids out there on down to the youth levels? This is real simple stuff. U-11, U-13 and U-15. From the tone on this board, why not also U-17 or open division. Make it an all comers high school event after U-15. We all know there is no rule against high school freshmen turning 16 or 17 in their freshman year and we also know the examples are not limited to the Crabs or MD. LI clubs can handle the dare. It's not that hard to mow the lawn in Farmingdale and invite all comers to a tournament that is by age, and have the d.o.b.'s cross referenced to the registration and conduct better tournaments and make a bunch of money. I as a MD parent would not be adverse to coming to LI for tournaments and there is no shortage of people who have just had it with Ryan's Song. I have wondered for years why LI clubs don't move to put on national tournaments and have just been complacent to come down to Baltimore or Virginia to get to tournaments.

LI Express or others, please do it. Noone wants to go to Hogan tournaments, which are weak and just a different P.O. Box for the MD money grab.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 03:16 PM
I don't understand this. If you don't want to play by their rules why go? Why do you think they do it by school years? Its easiest for the college coaches to determine who is who. Why do you think the college tournaments, top 205, king of the hill etc. do it by grade. This discussion really gets old. Crabs put on a great tournament, run very well, usually at very good facilities, with very good competition, and oh by the way usually with a TON of college coaches there and I would bet you not one of the coaches knows who won the championship. Isn't that why you travel to these tournaments. and believe me the coaches notice the loud mouth parents and are willing to sacrifice not recruiting a player so they don't have to deal with you!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 03:31 PM
Does anybody have the results from the blue hen tournament in Delaware. Curios to know who won.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. Young Guns wasn't last weekend - it's THIS weekend. Try again.


Young guns just happened, sorry you need to check your facts, I was there to see the Crabs lose with their big slugs! Witnessed ref saying he needed to get a game in overtime over because he was the coach of his CRABS team that was about to play. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Saw two good goals taken away from u16 team to keep Crabs in Crabfeast, sorry they lost anyway!


When people talk about the Crabs' Young Guns tournament, they are talking about the 7th and 8th grade fields. I guess there is now one called Young Guns for 5th and 6th grade.

Guess what? Nobody cares about kids that young, except for the weirdo dads on this forum.

LOL.


Actually the HS teams played last weekend as well, as I said in my post that I had sons at both. I think people cared, as the games were written up in Inside Lacrosse. The older Crabs also failed to produce any championship with all there prep school holdbacks. FACT! Who's the weirdo?


Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments!


Top Notch? How come they couldn't win one division in their own tournament? Wouldn't you like that if we didn't come, maybe you should try Hogan, more your speed! Oh yea, you wouldn't qualify with your hold-backs!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 05:34 PM
Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments! [/quote]

This point by Crabs is a fair one. Why are there no elite Summer tournaments in Long Island? All of the complaining seems linked to there being no alternatives to what LI people complain about. How hard would it be for LI Express to put on two major tournaments each Summer, one in June and one in July? The fact is LI teams flock to MD for high level play every Summer. How hard is it to run a friggin lacrosse tournament? Rent fields and put a tournament registration page that takes debit cards. Based on the tone of this thread, PLENTY of elite programs on the Atlantic Coast will flock to LI to play some ball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 05:49 PM
Just make to teams with the same large group of kids. Not hard. so have a U13 and a U15 teams and then have 2018,2019,2020 teams and so on?????????? Then read the rules of the tournament and put the correct team in the tournament. Your club should be running the same plays and styles on all there teams I would think so it should not be hard to do. And it would be great for the kids to great on one of the teams and avg. on the other.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 06:45 PM
LI Tourney, chech out LI Lax Fest
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fact...Crabs is a class, top-notch club...always the best at every level....we don't need loud-mouth LI teams here...stay away, go to the Hogan tournaments!


This point by Crabs is a fair one. Why are there no elite Summer tournaments in Long Island? All of the complaining seems linked to there being no alternatives to what LI people complain about. How hard would it be for LI Express to put on two major tournaments each Summer, one in June and one in July? The fact is LI teams flock to MD for high level play every Summer. How hard is it to run a friggin lacrosse tournament? Rent fields and put a tournament registration page that takes debit cards. Based on the tone of this thread, PLENTY of elite programs on the Atlantic Coast will flock to LI to play some ball. [/quote]

Team 91 runs TONS of tournaments but none can be considered elite. An elite event on LI is the best of the best but it's a showcase not a tournament.

I think it's because the top LI teams don't like playing each other and would have no choice if the tourney was here because they would all play.

Should have a tourney with: Turtles, 91 Orange, Express Terps, Outlaws black, True Blue blue, and about 5 teams from out of state.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 08:26 PM
Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition...all you do is complain, do us a favor and stay away...and no, we don't travel to Long Island, even if the pizza is better
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 08:32 PM
Keep complaining, please make the checks out to Baltimore Lacrosse Club and we'll see you next year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 08:52 PM
"Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition...all you do is complain, do us a favor and stay away...and no, we don't travel to Long Island, even if the pizza is better."

Team Igloo 2021 might disagree. Not only did they win the Crabs tournament, I think they beat the NPYLL U11AA champion to win Summer Exposure two weeks early (which means their kids were also all U11 age eligible, unlike . . . )
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition...all you do is complain, do us a favor and stay away...and no, we don't travel to Long Island, even if the pizza is better


"Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition"

Sweetlax (Many players from LI), beat Crabs in the 2016 group semis, Crabs couldn't even make it to the championship. LI teams won both divisions for the younger group (6th, 7th grade). Just stating facts, not sure what you are stating since you have no scores to support your position. Wouldn't you like it if we stayed on LI that way the cheating losers wouldn't be exposed!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 09:04 PM
Crabs are bottom feeders, staying true to their mascot!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 09:35 PM
Really, crabs lost to team 91 2020 crush in Maryland
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/02/14 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outside of Tenacious Turtles, none of the LI teams offer Crabs real competition...all you do is complain, do us a favor and stay away...and no, we don't travel to Long Island, even if the pizza is better


I think what you meant to write is Crabs won't go to LI. Don't speak for all of us here. Breakers, FCA, MadLax, Blackwolf and others would not hesitate to go up for some high level ball. Dukes are not too far away, Patriot is in Jersey, there are good clubs in CT like Eclipse and Laxachussetts in Mass. I do find the earlier post confounding. Why wouldn't the best LI teams want to play in a high level tournament in LI?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/03/14 03:05 PM
please, we 2018 terps and extreme always competitive with your 2018 crabs...And, we like the crab kids and the families but for the occasional psycho parent on any of the teams (all three teams have one or two).

Crabs failed to show at Adrenaline and Dukes invitational for some reason?

Someone was talking about elite tournaments and both Adrenaline and Dukes were true elite.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/03/14 09:36 PM
Lets no forget the 9-1 [lacrosse] whipping that 2019 91 team put on the Crabs a few weeks ago.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/03/14 11:39 PM
Where is the big Crab talker defending his Arthropods?? Disappeared into the wormhole he belongs in!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/04/14 12:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets no forget the 9-1 [lacrosse] whipping that 2019 91 team put on the Crabs a few weeks ago.


Yeah! More boasting about 7th grade boys, por favor!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/05/14 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Apparently NPYLL has made it official that they are following HoCo in how the divisions are made up for 2015. They are going to "scheduled" Graduation year for Divisions. (No more U9A, U9AA,etc.). This essentially doubles the number of teams clubs can field.

The 2015 season Divisions will be:
2024 AA
2024 A
2023 AA
2023 A
2022 AA
2022 A
2021 AA
2021 A
2020 AA
2020 A
2019 AA
2019 A


As a parent of two young youth players at the bottom of this school grade list I am sickened by the notion that the repeat a grade game goes earlier and earlier down into elementary grades. The club owners have a story and are sticking with it. This makes it easier to field more teams. No, it does not. Do more U13 and U-11 teams or do U13, U12, U11, etc. This makes it easier for college coaches to evaluate players by grade. No, it does not. Girls soccer players and boys ice hockey players play U-15, U15, etc. NCAA coaches in those sports don't seem confused about who they are recruiting at tournaments. And is there a point somewhere that this is making it easier for NCAA coaches to evaluate 4th graders? As a parent I find this pretty disturbing. If my kid is a great player, I can at my discretion risk playing him up with older kids. Have it this way, and my kid is thrust out there with kids much older and physically developed at a safety risk and I cannot have any discretion to manage that except for pulling my kids out of youth lacrosse. This is a horrible precedent for HOCO and NPYLL to follow and the club owners pushing this grade scheme are putting youths at risk. Please write to your NPYLL or HOCO club owners and coaches if you have issue with this. Don't wait for a kid to be seriously brain damaged before caring. These are your kids too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/06/14 11:09 AM
Nice Young Gunz event hosted by crabs. Lots of good competition and impressed with the number of college coaches watching the 2018 games. Saw Maryland, Princeton, Penn, Loyola, Michigan and Hopkins coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/06/14 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice Young Gunz event hosted by crabs. Lots of good competition and impressed with the number of college coaches watching the 2018 games. Saw Maryland, Princeton, Penn, Loyola, Michigan and Hopkins coaches.


That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/06/14 08:27 PM
There were a lot of coaches at Young Gunz and Crabfeast as well. Bottom
line college coaches go where the talent is and
good club want to play the crabs. BLC does it right, you
think it is a coincidence so many crabs get recruited
into D1 programs. Why does Ty Xanders write about
so many crabs? seems like Petro recruits at least 3
Crabs per grad year. Crab cakes and lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/06/14 10:57 PM
Crabs 18's win Young Gunz.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 12:04 AM
Who one 2019s????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 12:49 AM
A very impressive Dukes team won the 2019 division. Dukes and 91 Orange are the two best 2019 teams I have seen this summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 12:53 AM
I think Dukes won the 2019 with Madlax coming in 2nd.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice Young Gunz event hosted by crabs. Lots of good competition and impressed with the number of college coaches watching the 2018 games. Saw Maryland, Princeton, Penn, Loyola, Michigan and Hopkins coaches.


That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.

Starsia there on Saturday day also. Good tournament, good competition
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who one 2019s????

Dukes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 02:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who one 2019s????



This post tells you all you need to know about Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 12:05 PM
and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice Young Gunz event hosted by crabs. Lots of good competition and impressed with the number of college coaches watching the 2018 games. Saw Maryland, Princeton, Penn, Loyola, Michigan and Hopkins coaches.


That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.

Starsia there on Saturday day also. Good tournament, good competition


All I have to say is Holy Cow, these coaches are recruiting 7th & 8th graders now? This is lunacy. How can kids at this age not feel all the worst kinds of stress and esteem issues they don't deserve or be able to handle. This just became a sport parents should seriously consider getting their kids away from. At these ages the kids should be learning skill, sportsmanship and having fun.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 05:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.

Starsia there on Saturday day also. Good tournament, good competition




Petro has two kids playing U11.
It amazes me how quiet he is at the games as a spectator as compared to the way he is coaching his Hopkins team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.


"their", not "there. LOL @ Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/07/14 08:45 PM

Petro has two kids playing U11.
It amazes me how quiet he is at the games as a spectator as compared to the way he is coaching his Hopkins team[/quote]

most good coaches are quiet in same situation
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 12:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.


"their", not "there. LOL @ Long Island.


Obviously a Long Island parent...go back to complaining
about holdbacks or bad refs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 03:00 AM
Doz guys ain't playin at da right age and da freakin refs
keep bustin our chops. Fugetaboutit, we ain't playin
in Baltimore no more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.


"their", not "there. LOL @ Long Island.


Obviously a Long Island parent...go back to complaining
about holdbacks or bad refs.


Ironically, we still beat your stinky crab buts despite your shenanigans. Ha!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and your commit lives up to when people say lacrosse people are stuck up and there S_ _ t does not stink.


"their", not "there. LOL @ Long Island.


What an amazing pick up BUFFY... Someone made a typo. Now go hold your kid back another year. How many times does he take the same classes? Hold on is that the phone??? Maybe it's Petro, he heard your son is now an 18yo sophomore. Nope, just another wrong number... Sorry.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 01:55 PM
Please keep up the daily crying about kids who are holdbacks. It's great entertainment reading these posts from Long Island dads who having nothing else better to do.

And it wasn't a typo - it's indicative of the level of education (or lack therof) prevalent on STRONG ISLAND.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 03:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please keep up the daily crying about kids who are holdbacks. It's great entertainment reading these posts from Long Island dads who having nothing else better to do.

And it wasn't a typo - it's indicative of the level of education (or lack therof) prevalent on STRONG ISLAND.


Talk is cheap Ryan. Get off chat boards, do age based teams instead of grades and let's see who is better. Wouldn't it be nice to beat down strong island straight up age matched and then beat that chest? Get some fight big dog.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please keep up the daily crying about kids who are holdbacks. It's great entertainment reading these posts from Long Island dads who having nothing else better to do.

And it wasn't a typo - it's indicative of the level of education (or lack therof) prevalent on STRONG ISLAND.


Talk is cheap Ryan. Get off chat boards, do age based teams instead of grades and let's see who is better. Wouldn't it be nice to beat down strong island straight up age matched and then beat that chest? Get some fight big dog.


Crabs would still attract the biggest, fastest and strongest, whether it be age based or grade based...go cry somewhere else
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 05:31 PM
Talk is cheap Ryan. Get off chat boards, do age based teams instead of grades and let's see who is better. Wouldn't it be nice to beat down strong island straight up age matched and then beat that chest? Get some fight big dog. [/quote]

Crabs would still attract the biggest, fastest and strongest, whether it be age based or grade based...go cry somewhere else [/quote]

No crying. Do an age based tournament. If you are the biggest, fastest and strongest you have nothing to fear, and LI will have nothing to say after. Talk is cheap.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 07:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doz guys ain't playin at da right age and da freakin refs
keep bustin our chops. Fugetaboutit, we ain't playin
in Baltimore no more.


Baltimore is a third rate city at best...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doz guys ain't playin at da right age and da freakin refs
keep bustin our chops. Fugetaboutit, we ain't playin
in Baltimore no more.


Baltimore is a third rate city at best...


A line has been crossed now. Baltimore is easily a second rate city.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/08/14 11:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Talk is cheap Ryan. Get off chat boards, do age based teams instead of grades and let's see who is better. Wouldn't it be nice to beat down strong island straight up age matched and then beat that chest? Get some fight big dog.


Crabs would still attract the biggest, fastest and strongest, whether it be age based or grade based...go cry somewhere else [/quote]

No crying. Do an age based tournament. If you are the biggest, fastest and strongest you have nothing to fear, and LI will have nothing to say after. Talk is cheap. [/quote]

Problem is even with your overage thugs, you can't win a freakin championship! Beat down by LI, over and over! Sad for you.

NY= The Empire State
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/09/14 08:55 PM
Google should invent a translator for these posts. I swear you guys from Long Island speak a completely different language. I can't believe you allow the public school system there to produce so many adults incapable of carrying on a coherent conversation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/09/14 09:47 PM
From Urban Dictionary

Long Island

The armpit of New [lacrosse] State. Most residents pretend they are from the city, then go to the city and don't know the Bronx from the Battery.
The Bronx is up and the Battery's down...Long Islanders get the [lacrosse] out of my town!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/09/14 11:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From Urban Dictionary

Long Island

The armpit of New [lacrosse] State. Most residents pretend they are from the city, then go to the city and don't know the Bronx from the Battery.
The Bronx is up and the Battery's down...Long Islanders get the [lacrosse] out of my town!


Luckily, we don't have to pretend to beat you at lax! Better beaches, better city, better lax, what more can you want?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 12:03 AM
When I was at UVa it seemed like a foreign language. Luuuunnnngggaayyyllluuunnnddd. Oh my god, what an awesome chicken cutlet sandwich! Deli sandwiches are high end stuff.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 12:29 AM
Long Island dads are the TOUGHEST GUYS ON THE INTERNET!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 12:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island dads are the TOUGHEST GUYS ON THE INTERNET!


And their kids are the toughest guys on the LAX FIELD. SCORES DON'T LIE! Try again!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 12:47 AM
Turtles, Crush, Igloo! What's up Fairyland?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 12:53 AM
Originally Posted by uAnonymous
Long Island dads are the TOUGHEST GUYS ON THE INTERNET!


Only the ones who had no balls in high school or college to play sports. So now they are living thru their kids..they know all about lax and their kid is the star.lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 01:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When I was at UVa it seemed like a foreign language. Luuuunnnngggaayyyllluuunnnddd. Oh my god, what an awesome chicken cutlet sandwich! Deli sandwiches are high end stuff.

When I was a player at UVA, I was amazed how entitled the southern private school boys thought they were. I'd rather have my Long Island accent than be a pretentious tool.
Your fellow entitled private school boy sure made the lax program and University proud a few years ago.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 04:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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That is quite a progression from their attitude toward 2017s. Last Summer they at least faked indifference toward recruiting 8th graders. Petro would recruit at a U-11 tournament if he had the time.

Starsia there on Saturday day also. Good tournament, good competition




Petro has two kids playing U11.
It amazes me how quiet he is at the games as a spectator as compared to the way he is coaching his Hopkins team

Hopkins can recruit kids early, because they can get any of their top recruits in regardless if they are below average students. It has always been that way. While the majority of their players are very solid students, they can get anyone, I mean anyone in if they are a top recruit. If you want a good laugh, ask their head coach what his SAT score was when he got in. Nobody would ask, and if you did I assume you wouldn't get the truth. He was the best player at his position coming out of high school, so academic qualifications didn't matter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 12:47 PM
Petro has two kids playing U11.
It amazes me how quiet he is at the games as a spectator as compared to the way he is coaching his Hopkins team [/quote]
Hopkins can recruit kids early, because they can get any of their top recruits in regardless if they are below average students. It has always been that way. While the majority of their players are very solid students, they can get anyone, I mean anyone in if they are a top recruit. If you want a good laugh, ask their head coach what his SAT score was when he got in. Nobody would ask, and if you did I assume you wouldn't get the truth. He was the best player at his position coming out of high school, so academic qualifications didn't matter. [/quote]

That is true. Lacrosse is the only sport that matters at Hop, and I think was and might still be the only sport they play D1 in. Hop has always been notorious for letting all academic standards waive away for the lacrosse recruits. Shockingly, Princeton was like that in the 1990s - early 2000s until the school administration said no more to Tierney. Then Tierney went to a bad academic school in a cool place to live in order to keep going at a high level. Princeton is trying to make it work with higher academic standards, but Bates has struggled and also apparently has one more year to win or else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 02:01 PM
wait. institutions of higher learning lower their admissions standards for exceptional athletes? who knew?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/10/14 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wait. institutions of higher learning lower their admissions standards for exceptional athletes? who knew?


Only a few schools do for lacrosse. A few schools are just easy to get into anyways like Towsons and Denvers. Bottom line is lacrosse is a third tier sport to most athletic departments. I know for a fact that the only Ivy that allows a lot of slack for lacrosse is Cornell. At the others you'd better be a great student.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/11/14 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When I was at UVa it seemed like a foreign language. Luuuunnnngggaayyyllluuunnnddd. Oh my god, what an awesome chicken cutlet sandwich! Deli sandwiches are high end stuff.

When I was a player at UVA, I was amazed how entitled the southern private school boys thought they were. I'd rather have my Long Island accent than be a pretentious tool.
Your fellow entitled private school boy sure made the lax program and University proud a few years ago.


I agree, there are a few tough kids, but most are pretty boys with stupid haircuts and dumb accents (worse than south shore/suffolk county long island accents).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/11/14 06:29 PM
Say what you will as there is no reasoning with the LIers on these boards but the MidAtlantic must be doing something right - LI has sky high property taxes for an overcrowded region and a postage stamp of property while the Mid Atlantic continues to enjoy a different way of life for a fraction of the cost while proportionately sending more kids per capita to great lacrosse colleges.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/11/14 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Say what you will as there is no reasoning with the LIers on these boards but the MidAtlantic must be doing something right - LI has sky high property taxes for an overcrowded region and a postage stamp of property while the Mid Atlantic continues to enjoy a different way of life for a fraction of the cost while proportionately sending more kids per capita to great lacrosse colleges.


Yes, some valid points, but you still live in Maryland.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/11/14 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Say what you will as there is no reasoning with the LIers on these boards but the MidAtlantic must be doing something right - LI has sky high property taxes for an overcrowded region and a postage stamp of property while the Mid Atlantic continues to enjoy a different way of life for a fraction of the cost while proportionately sending more kids per capita to great lacrosse colleges.


Go ahead and try to change the subject. We still beat you!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/14/14 06:19 PM
And while LI and Baltimore Crabs argue about which is a crappier place to live, 3d just finished raising $6mm from investors. Arrived in MD this Summer, heavily armed in New England and marching south through the Tri-State next. Phone call from King Crab to Jamie Munro in 12-18 months..."hey Jamie, me again, eh, think maybe now it would be exciting to work together? Jamie? Jamie? I can hear you breathing...Jamie?"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/14/14 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And while LI and Baltimore Crabs argue about which is a crappier place to live, 3d just finished raising $6mm from investors. Arrived in MD this Summer, heavily armed in New England and marching south through the Tri-State next. Phone call from King Crab to Jamie Munro in 12-18 months..."hey Jamie, me again, eh, think maybe now it would be exciting to work together? Jamie? Jamie? I can hear you breathing...Jamie?"


Post of the year. LMAO! So true, in a year or two Crabs will be passed by FCA and others, probably 3d too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/17/14 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And while LI and Baltimore Crabs argue about which is a crappier place to live, 3d just finished raising $6mm from investors. Arrived in MD this Summer, heavily armed in New England and marching south through the Tri-State next. Phone call from King Crab to Jamie Munro in 12-18 months..."hey Jamie, me again, eh, think maybe now it would be exciting to work together? Jamie? Jamie? I can hear you breathing...Jamie?"


Post of the year. LMAO! So true, in a year or two Crabs will be passed by FCA and others, probably 3d too.


Wait a year or two though and the new 3D Maryland players will be sitting on the sidelines while kids from other regions are flown in to play on 3D Maryland. Great plan if you want to spend $2500 plus "optional" clinics to get your kid seats on a bench to watch kids from other areas play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/17/14 07:03 PM
Maryland kids don't sit on lacrosse benches!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/19/14 08:33 PM
Crabs up to their "old" tricks, pun intended, at fl$ this weekend. Sickening the need the have to cheat!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/20/14 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs up to their "old" tricks, pun intended, at fl$ this weekend. Sickening the need the have to cheat!


The Crabs aren't at fl$. What are you talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/20/14 01:06 AM
Which Crabs teams are at fl$?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/20/14 02:06 AM
FCA dad here....gotta hand it to the Crabs, they look
very tough. Played well, very aggressive at both ends. My only question
is why bring '16s to a 17 tournament? You would
prob win with just the '17s
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/20/14 09:42 AM
Crabs 2017s and 2018s are playing in UMD Young Guns tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/20/14 12:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA dad here....gotta hand it to the Crabs, they look
very tough. Played well, very aggressive at both ends. My only question
is why bring '16s to a 17 tournament? You would
prob win with just the '17s


Obviously they are not that tough if they needed to bring older players?!?!? So is it true? If so- why? And why is it allowed in a 2017 tournament bracket?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/20/14 12:46 PM
Complain all you want, Ryan McClernan doesn't care. He is driving this sport toward school year based teams all down through the youth levels. NPYLL will be grade based starting with 4th grade this Fall. Suits the strategy well to keep kids restrained for an advantage. There are no excuses for club lacrosse to not be U-16, U-15, etc. if you want to have more teams by one year instead of U-15, U-13 on down. It looks like US Lacrosse doesn't care enough to step in, and even if they did Crabs and others would just run tournaments this way and would not care about US Lacrosse sanctioned.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/20/14 10:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs up to their "old" tricks, pun intended, at fl$ this weekend. Sickening the need the have to cheat!


The Crabs aren't at fl$. What are you talking about?


meant young guns
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 01:00 PM
Was at fl$ 3D this weekend and will never go back. They got greedy and added fields. One way in one way out. Had to jump out of car after waiting over an hour in traffic lined up for miles only to find a 12 year old directing traffic when you finally got into park. 700 cars lined up trying to get into a park nightmare. Only to get to field and no refs. They were stuck in traffic as well. Shortened games because of it. Ended up playing 3 games with 1 ref who didn't care and just wanted game over. 7am start times didn't help either NOT ONE COACH ATTENDED EARLY GAMES AND MANY DROVE AWAY ONCE THEY SAW TRAFFIC. ONE COACH ACTUALLY CALLED ME TO SAY SORRY BUT WASNT DEALING WITH IT.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was at fl$ 3D this weekend and will never go back. They got greedy and added fields. One way in one way out. Had to jump out of car after waiting over an hour in traffic lined up for miles only to find a 12 year old directing traffic when you finally got into park. 700 cars lined up trying to get into a park nightmare. Only to get to field and no refs. They were stuck in traffic as well. Shortened games because of it. Ended up playing 3 games with 1 ref who didn't care and just wanted game over. 7am start times didn't help either NOT ONE COACH ATTENDED EARLY GAMES AND MANY DROVE AWAY ONCE THEY SAW TRAFFIC. ONE COACH ACTUALLY CALLED ME TO SAY SORRY BUT WASNT DEALING WITH IT.


We went down for both Crabfeast and for fl$ in 3d. I agree and was disappointed in each. This Summer was the first year that the brackets had at least two really crappy teams in them. fl$ in 3d, again more than 1/2 the teams were a joke. I think it dilutes the looks that tournament directors are hyping with their own tournaments. I understand the money side. Crabs and 3d should both consider straight up doing an elite session and then an all-comers second session. Maybe fewer all-comers show up because they only come to say they play Crabs or Dukes even though they lose 15-2, but putting those lopsided contests on the field is just as bad as what the earlier poster wrote about the 3d tournament being a giant mess. My kid ran from the Dunkin Donuts 1/4th of a mile away to the field. Otherwise he would have been at his game at game time instead of an hour early. I can't help but resent that no coach wants to sit and watch Saturday bracket games that are 15-2. Impossible to evaluate anything in those games, except that one team stinks and what good players do against bad teams means nothing like our high school season. It sounds like the only ones that did not go off like a greedy money grab were Adrenaline Platinum Cup and NSLCA which were the same weekend in June. Should have just done one of those and called it a Summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 03:53 PM
Do you really think any of these tournament organizers are looking for anything but cash! fl$/3D is probably one of the most unorganized tournaments out there. Although traffic is not something they can control.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 04:26 PM
Agree. I was at 3D and it was bad. Ten times worse than Tri state on a Friday night. 3D was so bad kid working the clock for our final game told us 3 players broke arms climbing fence trying to get to games. Cops were called to stop kids from doing it on last day. Only good games were after teams were matched up and even then there were blow outs. No coaches early morning games and none last day even for championship game which my son was in only had tops 5 coaches watching and I think it was because they were stuck in parking lot due to traffic. fl$ and 3D SHOULD BE ASHAMED ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY CHARGE $2500 A TEAM. We drove 6 hours to sit in traffic every day of tourney and got a ticket for parking in a no parking zone that I was told to park in. Stupid me I listened. NEVER AGAIN
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 04:34 PM
Crabfeast has been watered down as the number of teams have increased. But it is nothing like FLD in 3D. You are hard pressed to find any quality teams at that tournament. Even if there hadn't been parking issues, few college coaches are interested in that lineup of teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 04:58 PM
We switched from Crabfest to 3D because our team liked the area and there is so much to do. Crabfest is very watered down. BUT 3D WHAT A MESS. We traveled in Vans this year to make it easy but it caused more problems because half our team were stuck in traffic. We had to start a game with our back up goalie playing attack and no subs. Calvary arrived mid way through second quarter but damage was done lost by 1. Tempers were flaring all over. Fields were in very bad shape. Nets riddled with holes. One game we had no game balls. Thanks to one of the coaches of the other team had a nice supply,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 05:32 PM
I agree. Next year our son will be a rising junior, so much of this is now moot. After we went to Crabfeast and fl$ in 3D we spoke to our club owner and all agreed next year to be more careful for the 2017s, 2018s, on down. Crabs never did this before, but blowing the tournament up to 40 teams means watering it down. I'm really shocked. Crabs always ran tournaments with a focus on teams attending quality, but that just went out the window this Summer. fl$ in 3D was a disgrace considering the team fees are the highest. My kid jumped that fence too in order to get to a game. These guys need to be real careful. Ryan McClernan and Jamie Munro need to know that the short term pump in the bank account will come at a price. We're a really good 2017 team, and we are never ever going back to either one. Both of those tournaments are worse than TriState became in 2012, which was the last year we went there. 3D is such a monster now, why not just do elite divisions at their tournaments or elite tournaments? LI Express, Team 91, Turtles, Laxachusetts, Eclipse, Dukes...none of them will ever again drive all day to get near this garbage until it gets cleaned up. College coaches don't come to see 3D California play 3D Colorado and even if they did, they don't want to go to an armpit place like Bel Air, MD to see it. Do a tournament in San Francisco or San Diego...coaches would go to see the beach on a nice little vacation. [lacrosse], I just paid for my son to be in Denver this week just to go to a nice place to play lacrosse for once.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 05:44 PM
At least Crabfeast had the top 2017 teams this year. At 3D, 75% of those teams are terrible.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 05:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabfeast has been watered down as the number of teams have increased. But it is nothing like FLD in 3D. You are hard pressed to find any quality teams at that tournament. Even if there hadn't been parking issues, few college coaches are interested in that lineup of teams.


Just like a MadLax tournament. $2500 per team, you'd think those guys could hit up [lacrosse]'s for a few boxes of balls for their own tournaments. With 40 teams per grade from 2015s down to 2020s, that is $600K in revenue for 3D. Unreal how unprofessional these guys are. Coaches going into their own bags for balls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 07:04 PM
Our coach went to the tent to complain and there were a group of nice women working and the first thing they said is please do not curse before he even opened his mouth. They said all they are hearing are complaints. He asked to speak to Winkoff from fl$ or someone from 3D and was told he could speak to his son because he wasn't even there and no one from 3D was there either. They were sitting somewhere on a beach with no traffic counting their money. Until the parents say no it will continue. A college coach that lives in the area told us he doesn't even try to go because of the traffic problem. 7AM START TIMES COME ON REALLY.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 07:27 PM
Do not compare Crabfeast with fl$. I agree there were too many teams this year, but they had nearly all the top 2017s from around the country. Probably should stick with a select tournament of 24 or so teams instead of allowing 12+ marginal ones to participate.

But 3D is a pure money grab in every sense of the word. You should have known what you were getting when you saw the lineup of terrible teams.

Sounds like the parking/traffic was horrible, too. Crabfeast was packed, but nobody was late to their games. Looking at the schedules, 3D stuffed their tournament with way too many teams, leading to the inevitable traffic leading into Cedar Lane.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 07:36 PM
Funny that at the fl$ tournament I saw plenty of college coaches, UNC head coach, UMBC 2 coaches, 2 from Hopkins, Loyola, Maryland head coach, Princeton, just to name a few. I agree that there were a lot of teams at various levels and some should not have been playing each other. Sooner or later everyone is going to get it, its all about the money....SHOW ME THE MONEY!
The biggest joke was the faceoff competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/21/14 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least Crabfeast had the top 2017 teams this year. At 3D, 75% of those teams are terrible.


At Crabfeast "only" 60% of the teams were terrible. Both tournaments have real issues going forward. Adrenaline gets it. I know it sounds elitist, but the top teams deserve to be playing each other and the coaches on the recruiting trail deserve to be watching high level lacrosse. Crabs vs. sisters of the poor bracket at Crabfeast or a decent LI team beating up on crappy 3d Oregon and California teams is just an insult for NCAA coaches to have to watch. Just call it Division 3 in 3D next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/22/14 01:21 PM
I think you should not be blaming the tournaments you should be blaming the top teams they have the power to sign up for the tournament. They should be asking the correct questions before signing up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/22/14 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you should not be blaming the tournaments you should be blaming the top teams they have the power to sign up for the tournament. They should be asking the correct questions before signing up.


That is a great point. Each club owner charges a lot of money to the families to get them the right looks. Signing up for lousy tournaments is bad, and nothing good happens when you take $2500 from a family to get the kid recruited and then rostering 25 kids around all of whom need to be showcased. There will always be bloated and watered down tournaments. It would be a good start if the club owners would call each other and make sure that their top team will be on board with other top teams at tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/22/14 08:50 PM
Great idea but how do you stop JOHNNY COACH from selling to his parents that they are playing in better divisions because getting your butt kicked in week in and week out is going to make you a better player. No coach that is taking $2000 from a parent is telling them they now belong to a "B" or "C" team.

Parents and coaches all feel their kids are the best. By the time reality sets in it is too late you are already signed up and tournies are closed out and all you are doing is apologizing to the goalies parents because he is getting shelled every week from kids better and older.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/22/14 08:52 PM
fl$ 3D is doing damage control already. They are trying to say they have no control over parking attendants and how it is handled. THEY ARE ONLY RESPOSIBLE FOR SIGNING UP TOO MANY BAD TEAMS AND MAKING SURE THE FEES ARE PAID ON TIME
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/22/14 09:20 PM
3D is in it for money. Nothing more. They just raised over $5MM to start up clubs around the money. As we've all seen, many of these clubs are on a hunt to buy more clubs around the country. Why? Is it to grow the game?

No. It is all about getting more kids in the program, putting on more mediocre tournaments, selling merchandise, etc.

3D is already making a fortune by doing these satellite events for those kids dreaming of going to Blue Chip. Now they are putting on crappy tournaments without any regard to quality.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_26135135/3d-lacrosse-lands-5-23m-capital-says-players
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/23/14 11:29 AM
To pile on, the all-star selections look rigged in 3d's favor too.

2018 example - 3d colorado 6 allstars (12.5% of the 48 total all-stars)

This is 60% of their starting lineup - however the team went 2-3 for the weekend with none of their losses coming from the finalists

There were two 4-1 teams who received only 1 all star each

--gotta remember to avoid 3d events in the future--


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/23/14 11:47 AM
I am a former VLC U-13 parent and a current 3D U-15 Virginia parent. I concur that fl$ in 3D was a parking mess, and that is something for them to correct next year. I don't have kids in high school, but at the youth ages the caliber of play is very good at 3D tournaments in Maryland, Colorado and California. Before Crabs took over VLC there were two teams from U-15 down to U-11. Crabs took over and had one U-11 team, cut many VLC returning kids at tryouts and then had the team coached by a volunteer parent the first season. After the first season VLC quit fielding U-11 teams. My son was on the U-13 "B" team which had tryouts and then parents paid up for uniforms, etc. and VLC changed its mind and said no "B" team but we will refund your money and let your kid practice with the "A" team this year. This came months after Summer tryouts for all the DMV area clubs. Our son spent a year not playing in a club lacrosse game because Crabs owner changed his mind too late.

Before Crabs VLC used to cost $550 in the Fall and $800 in the Summer. We are not the family that complains about costs. Our son also plays ice hockey. But I am particular about a value for the program and it used to be good. Starting when Crabs took over the teams practiced very little and most of their time on the field was at the most expensive tournaments that were also owned and controlled by Crabs owner's for profit company. VLC went up to about $1000 in Fall and about $1500 in Summer. In our last season with VLC, before my son was cut again at U-15 and went off to Fuze, the "A" team practiced a total of 5 times and went to 3 Crabs tournaments for $1500. That is a rip off even by ice hockey standards. A lot of those U-15 parents were frustrated at the volume of Crabs prospect camps, clinics and showcase events owned by Crabs to position their kids to get recruiting attention and to get nominated to Jake Reed camp -- which 3D owns. I think some of this is the parent fault for signing up for things as a recruiting strategy with kids that are not outstanding enough. But the pay for play was encouraged and promoted by Crabs just like at other club franchises.

3D is running a business no doubt, but I am not complaining about the value since 3D bought Fuze. 3D is about $600-700 in Fall, and is about $1200 in Summer and there is a lot of practice and instructional time in the season. I also have my son at 3D instruction camps, which run $250-350 for four half days. I am no expert, but I see a lot of value in it since there are professional coaches and MLL players out there coaching the kids as opposed to college kids home for Summer. I have found these day camps to be plenty worth the money even if my son is never going to be a recruited lacrosse player. I also noticed a lot of VLC Crabs kids at the 3D day camp at PVI this week, so I am not alone.

We have been to one tournament at 3D with a parking lot nightmare. The teams there were decent, but maybe not as great as the two other tournaments we went to this Summer. We have not been pressured by 3D to buy any merchandise aside from a uniform and optional helmet stickers. Everyone gets invited to camps and events, but there is no pressure to sign up for anything.

Our experience at VLC might have been better if our son was a high school aged team D1 recruit. Basically the club is run in a way where what they are selling you is play for VLC Crabs and someday we will get you committed to Hopkins. Their high school teams have had a lot of success, but at the youth levels people are turning away in droves. As one parent told me, maybe 3D will become the new Madlax at the youth level and VLC will become the new Blackwolf at the high school level and eventually just quit fielding youth teams. Since VLC quit on U-11, quit on doing a U-13 second team to develop players instead of cutting them and gets most of their U-15 players from Madlax who want to be recruited it has come to that anyways now. VLC does have great high school showcase teams with D1 commits. It is a good investment for the kids who want that and a good strategy for VLC to advertise it to get the best high schoolers, but I believe it is a mistake to confuse that with a club that puts the effort into a youth program to develop players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/23/14 12:44 PM
3d has hosted events at Cedar Lane before - these events had the same parking problem. 3d cannot claim ignorance or point the finger at others.

Club teams contract with 3d to enter a tournament. 3d contracts with vendors to provide services at their tournament. The fields and parking are 3d responsibility they failed miserably and created a dangerous situation (both lack of access for emergency vehicles and the risks of fence jumping)

Fields 9,9a,10,10a were a joke how small they were - 3d scheduled playoff games for these fields. Tthe idea that they added fields by cutting fields in half showed that they knew they were overcrowding the facility - those fields look intended for U-9 not a HS tournament
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/23/14 02:22 PM
Honestly... I feel sorry for America. My grandfather watched Kamikazes fly into surrounding ships. My father's draft number came up for Viet Nam as a breadwinner and sole provider. My mother used to get a month off of school to pick potatoes. She was paid by the basket. Our generation takes the time ... on a youth lacrosse forum ... to whine about the "risks of fence jumping."

Here is my desire from lacrosse:

I want my kid to compete hard, commit himself to his team, check his limits, learn when its smart to play wide open and when its smart to dial it down, respect opponents and challenge them with his very best. Win with dignity, lose with dignity. Play for something bigger than himself. In between games, I want him to JUMP FENCES, knock back bullies, be kind to younger lacrosse players and kids who come to admire his play.

With those desires in mind, it's hard to be disappointed in the youth lacrosse experience whatever tournament you play in or whatever team you play for.

All this whining about “the Crabs”, “3d”, “holdbacks”, blah blah blah, its a fun read sometimes (like the crime blotter), but for the most part I’m embarrassed. If I was an enemy of United States, I would print off a copy of posts from this forum and hand them out to my soldiers. If they didn’t think they could kick our pansy, affluent, lazy asses before they read it… they would rapidly change their minds. Parents, please grow a pair … soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/23/14 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3d has hosted events at Cedar Lane before - these events had the same parking problem. 3d cannot claim ignorance or point the finger at others.

Club teams contract with 3d to enter a tournament. 3d contracts with vendors to provide services at their tournament. The fields and parking are 3d responsibility they failed miserably and created a dangerous situation (both lack of access for emergency vehicles and the risks of fence jumping)

Fields 9,9a,10,10a were a joke how small they were - 3d scheduled playoff games for these fields. Tthe idea that they added fields by cutting fields in half showed that they knew they were overcrowding the facility - those fields look intended for U-9 not a HS tournament


I was thinking the same thing...how could an ambulance get in and out of here quickly if needed? One thing I also noticed at nearly every Summer tournament including Crabs, Madlax, Hogan and 3d ones was not a single defibrillator at the score table of any event. If there was one hidden away in someone's trunk or at the first aid tent, that is not good enough. Those things cost less than $2K and can save a life when there is no time for 911. I also saw one woman get drilled in the stomach by a shot that missed the cage. Very few tournaments buy or rent nets behind the goal to keep the balls near the field and away from spectators. Tournaments keep repeating safety, but we don't see it. It would be a shame to see someone seriously injured or die which could be avoided.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/23/14 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly... I feel sorry for America. My grandfather watched Kamikazes fly into surrounding ships. My father's draft number came up for Viet Nam as a breadwinner and sole provider. My mother used to get a month off of school to pick potatoes. She was paid by the basket. Our generation takes the time ... on a youth lacrosse forum ... to whine about the "risks of fence jumping."

Here is my desire from lacrosse:

I want my kid to compete hard, commit himself to his team, check his limits, learn when its smart to play wide open and when its smart to dial it down, respect opponents and challenge them with his very best. Win with dignity, lose with dignity. Play for something bigger than himself. In between games, I want him to JUMP FENCES, knock back bullies, be kind to younger lacrosse players and kids who come to admire his play.

With those desires in mind, it's hard to be disappointed in the youth lacrosse experience whatever tournament you play in or whatever team you play for.

All this whining about “the Crabs”, “3d”, “holdbacks”, blah blah blah, its a fun read sometimes (like the crime blotter), but for the most part I’m embarrassed. If I was an enemy of United States, I would print off a copy of posts from this forum and hand them out to my soldiers. If they didn’t think they could kick our pansy, affluent, lazy asses before they read it… they would rapidly change their minds. Parents, please grow a pair … soon.


I did something none of your sons will do, compete in the Olympics. When you get there, this is the humble speech read off and it brings tears at the opening ceremony: "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well."

Winning is competing hard and competing well regardless of the level. Maybe if parents and clubs ran their affairs with some dignity this sport could be a lot more fun.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/23/14 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly... I feel sorry for America. My grandfather watched Kamikazes fly into surrounding ships. My father's draft number came up for Viet Nam as a breadwinner and sole provider. My mother used to get a month off of school to pick potatoes. She was paid by the basket. Our generation takes the time ... on a youth lacrosse forum ... to whine about the "risks of fence jumping."

Here is my desire from lacrosse:

I want my kid to compete hard, commit himself to his team, check his limits, learn when its smart to play wide open and when its smart to dial it down, respect opponents and challenge them with his very best. Win with dignity, lose with dignity. Play for something bigger than himself. In between games, I want him to JUMP FENCES, knock back bullies, be kind to younger lacrosse players and kids who come to admire his play.

With those desires in mind, it's hard to be disappointed in the youth lacrosse experience whatever tournament you play in or whatever team you play for.

All this whining about “the Crabs”, “3d”, “holdbacks”, blah blah blah, its a fun read sometimes (like the crime blotter), but for the most part I’m embarrassed. If I was an enemy of United States, I would print off a copy of posts from this forum and hand them out to my soldiers. If they didn’t think they could kick our pansy, affluent, lazy asses before they read it… they would rapidly change their minds. Parents, please grow a pair … soon.


I did something none of your sons will do, compete in the Olympics. When you get there, this is the humble speech read off and it brings tears at the opening ceremony: "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well."

Winning is competing hard and competing well regardless of the level. Maybe if parents and clubs ran their affairs with some dignity this sport could be a lot more fun.


First of all, who are you to tell people they will never compete in the Olympics?

Second, I think people who do participate want to win. Isn't that the point?

If your not a winner, your a ........ Fact!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/23/14 03:33 PM
I wrote the dangerous fence jumping note. I am okay with my son jumping fences growing up. There is a time for that. 5 minutes before a lacrosse game jumping a fence with no top bar so that it cannot be jumped is NOT that time.

I am okay with holdbacks - I think these parents are harming more than helping their kids so their choice.

When I make a purchase I expect quality. Posting a buyer beware response to my disappointment is not whining

Thanks for sharing your family's Vietnam & WWII stories. I am sure your dad and grandad are happy to have defended your right to anonymously post on a web forum disparaging other anonymous posters on a web forum
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/23/14 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly... I feel sorry for America. My grandfather watched Kamikazes fly into surrounding ships. My father's draft number came up for Viet Nam as a breadwinner and sole provider. My mother used to get a month off of school to pick potatoes. She was paid by the basket. Our generation takes the time ... on a youth lacrosse forum ... to whine about the "risks of fence jumping."

Here is my desire from lacrosse:

I want my kid to compete hard, commit himself to his team, check his limits, learn when its smart to play wide open and when its smart to dial it down, respect opponents and challenge them with his very best. Win with dignity, lose with dignity. Play for something bigger than himself. In between games, I want him to JUMP FENCES, knock back bullies, be kind to younger lacrosse players and kids who come to admire his play.

With those desires in mind, it's hard to be disappointed in the youth lacrosse experience whatever tournament you play in or whatever team you play for.

All this whining about “the Crabs”, “3d”, “holdbacks”, blah blah blah, its a fun read sometimes (like the crime blotter), but for the most part I’m embarrassed. If I was an enemy of United States, I would print off a copy of posts from this forum and hand them out to my soldiers. If they didn’t think they could kick our pansy, affluent, lazy asses before they read it… they would rapidly change their minds. Parents, please grow a pair … soon.


This is a great post, i am showing it to my kids tonight. I guarantee they will say "hey dad, are the holdbacks kind of like bullies?" - everything you say above is true, but yes, parents should grow a set and have their precious holdbacks play against kids their own age! My son is late in the year birthdate and just gets out there and plays, so he's not a pansy, but being his dad i would love to see the holdbacks play age appropriate competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/24/14 12:44 AM
I was an Olympic fence jumper, and yes, I was a holdback. I placed
3rd in the Vietnamese games, losing to a Crab dad and a Dad from the 3d program. Life is unfair!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/24/14 01:38 PM
Wait a minute...I competed in the all galaxy games as a rep of the southern milky way planets all-south team. I am an authority on all things good and know evil when I see it, do to my vast inter-galactic experiences. Top that....oh and I drove the lunar rover in the Sea of Tranquility. Please, gag us all... Olympian.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/24/14 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait a minute...I competed in the all galaxy games as a rep of the southern milky way planets all-south team. I am an authority on all things good and know evil when I see it, do to my vast inter-galactic experiences. Top that....oh and I drove the lunar rover in the Sea of Tranquility. Please, gag us all... Olympian.


Who are you people? Scarier than a terrorist cell in Baltimore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/24/14 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait a minute...I competed in the all galaxy games as a rep of the southern milky way planets all-south team. I am an authority on all things good and know evil when I see it, do to my vast inter-galactic experiences. Top that....oh and I drove the lunar rover in the Sea of Tranquility. Please, gag us all... Olympian.


I think the point was about sportsmanship, and you....no wait, never mind.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 07/24/14 08:59 PM
I disagree with your post. My boys play for a strong 7th grade philly team and we played several teams comprised of all-stars from multiple states such as 3d, West Coast Starz, CSC, etc. While these teams are good and getting better, they still have a bit to go to catch-up...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/04/14 01:12 PM
more from fl$ 3d (this event deserves it's own thread)

I received links to the video I stupidly bought. Amateur quality camera work. Plenty of missed action from my son's games. Another waste of $$$$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/05/14 06:30 PM
Considering having my son tryout for Crabs this year, for the first time. Any advice? Good idea or no?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/05/14 07:49 PM
I am a current Crabs parent, if you want your son to have an opportunity to compete against the best, to be well coached with an emphasis on making him a better player and winning, then try-out. Its is way better to have tried and failed, than to never compete and become a hater on the forum. As you can see this site is full of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/05/14 10:49 PM
I would not limit your son to one team or another. If he wants to play club, be sure to hit 4 or 5 tryouts and talk to the coach about the schedule for the club. Some clubs practice much more than others (fall, winter, indoor, etc.) Some clubs do fall and winter leagues as well as spring NPYLL. You need to find the one that meets your level of commitment and your kids dedication to the sport.

At the very least I would recommend attending:

Crabs: www.baltimorelacrosseclub.net - starts 8/17.
Annapolis Hawks: www.annapolishawks.com - starts this weekend.
Baltimore Breakers: www.breakerslacrosseclub.com - starts 8/17.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/06/14 01:31 PM
Thanks for the input. The NPYLL, where are most of the games played? Someone had told me around DC in most cases. Is that true?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/06/14 02:20 PM
NPYLL games are played at the home team's field - so anywhere from northern Baltimore, to Kent Island, to Northern VA and Hagerstown.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/06/14 06:21 PM
Does anyone have experience with goalie training at Crabs?
We are currently at a club (not naming names, not trying to bash anyone), that gives the goalies nothing more than, hey, get in the goal and we'll shoot on you. No real instruction.
Just wondering what their training for goalies is like. Thanks in advance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/06/14 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone have experience with goalie training at Crabs?
We are currently at a club (not naming names, not trying to bash anyone), that gives the goalies nothing more than, hey, get in the goal and we'll shoot on you. No real instruction.
Just wondering what their training for goalies is like. Thanks in advance.


Unfortunately this is what almost all clubs do with there goalies.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/06/14 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone have experience with goalie training at Crabs?
We are currently at a club (not naming names, not trying to bash anyone), that gives the goalies nothing more than, hey, get in the goal and we'll shoot on you. No real instruction.
Just wondering what their training for goalies is like. Thanks in advance.


Unfortunately this is what almost all clubs do with there goalies.


Same in LI. Fortunately my son landed on a team where the coach gives the goalies some time during warm ups and works with them individually. I just think most coaches have no goalie experience and do not know how to help them or pinpoint what they need to improve on- other than saves and clears. A good goalie trainer can make or break a kid. sadly, they are few and far between.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/07/14 12:35 PM
FCA in Maryland brings in a goalie coach to work with upper age groups (U13-2017)...top notch training...the gentleman is hired privately by a lot of goalies in the area
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/07/14 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone have experience with goalie training at Crabs?
We are currently at a club (not naming names, not trying to bash anyone), that gives the goalies nothing more than, hey, get in the goal and we'll shoot on you. No real instruction.
Just wondering what their training for goalies is like. Thanks in advance.


Unfortunately this is what almost all clubs do with there goalies.


I agree 100%. My son has played on teams where one of the coaches was a goalie and they still do nothing with there goalies. Whats worse though IMO is when a coach that knows nothing about the position trys to "correct" things with the goalie.

Same in LI. Fortunately my son landed on a team where the coach gives the goalies some time during warm ups and works with them individually. I just think most coaches have no goalie experience and do not know how to help them or pinpoint what they need to improve on- other than saves and clears. A good goalie trainer can make or break a kid. sadly, they are few and far between.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/07/14 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


I agree 100%. My son has played on teams where one of the coaches was a goalie and they still do nothing with there goalies. Whats worse though IMO is when a coach that knows nothing about the position trys to "correct" things with the goalie.


I agree 100%. My son has played on teams where one of the coaches was a goalie and they still do nothing with there goalies. Whats worse though IMO is when a coach that knows nothing about the position trys to "correct" things with the goalie.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/07/14 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA in Maryland brings in a goalie coach to work with upper age groups (U13-2017)...top notch training...the gentleman is hired privately by a lot of goalies in the area


I think you are referring to ex-Towson coach "The Goalie Man" who helps Quint out at Summer camps. He is terrific and does personal instruction. I am constantly amazed to keep hearing about such top clubs that provide NO goalie instruction. There are a few clubs that can do this, FCA is one and most prominently 3d has collected a few goalies who were looking for instruction away from MadLax and VLC where there was none. I think one poster is right...a little bit of instruction at that position is a difference maker for a kid developing the right footwork and lacrosse IQ.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/07/14 07:24 PM
All of this instruction is usually one on one lessons or 2 to 3 kids. It is also for a fee that is beyond the club fee. Clubs might bring in someone for free here and there for a practice or clinic but all clubs in the Baltimore area have a point where if the kid wants more it costs money and they hook him up with a position specific instructor. Fyi.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/08/14 01:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA in Maryland brings in a goalie coach to work with upper age groups (U13-2017)...top notch training...the gentleman is hired privately by a lot of goalies in the area


I think you are referring to ex-Towson coach "The Goalie Man" who helps Quint out at Summer camps. He is terrific and does personal instruction. I am constantly amazed to keep hearing about such top clubs that provide NO goalie instruction. There are a few clubs that can do this, FCA is one and most prominently 3d has collected a few goalies who were looking for instruction away from MadLax and VLC where there was none. I think one poster is right...a little bit of instruction at that position is a difference maker for a kid developing the right footwork and lacrosse IQ.


How has 3D taken Goalies away from Madlax/VLC if this fall is the first year 3d will be in VA?

FUZE hasn't taken away anything from those clubs, FUZE is non-competitive
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/08/14 01:22 AM
The Hawks bring in Ray Finnegan to work with the goalies. He does a great job.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/08/14 11:19 AM
FCA of Maryland has a goalie coach as mentioned above, they bring in Brent Hiken (MLL Outlaws) for faceoff work, during the summer top NCAA Div I players (Kelly - UNC, Connell-UNC, Deemer Class - Duke, Garrett Epple - ND) just to name a few...combine that with coaches that all have top DI experience...makes for a good recipe, will be seeing more of FCA in the near future!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/08/14 12:50 PM
News flash. All of the top clubs do the same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/08/14 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
News flash. All of the top clubs do the same.


Not here on Long Island they don't unless for an additional fee.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/08/14 03:15 PM
I heard Crabs do Indoor training, is that included in the pricetag or do they charge extra? Do Crabs bring in outside training for specialty positions? What is included in the price? Looking for a club, but don't want to get nickeled and dimed at every turn
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/08/14 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA in Maryland brings in a goalie coach to work with upper age groups (U13-2017)...top notch training...the gentleman is hired privately by a lot of goalies in the area


I think you are referring to ex-Towson coach "The Goalie Man" who helps Quint out at Summer camps. He is terrific and does personal instruction. I am constantly amazed to keep hearing about such top clubs that provide NO goalie instruction. There are a few clubs that can do this, FCA is one and most prominently 3d has collected a few goalies who were looking for instruction away from MadLax and VLC where there was none. I think one poster is right...a little bit of instruction at that position is a difference maker for a kid developing the right footwork and lacrosse IQ.


How has 3D taken Goalies away from Madlax/VLC if this fall is the first year 3d will be in VA?

FUZE hasn't taken away anything from those clubs, FUZE is non-competitive


3d does MD teams and Mid-Atlantic team for HS aged kids. Those teams have taken away players from Madlax and VLC, including a D1 goalie commit and two youth team goalies. They have two MLL goalies as coaches to work with the kids. The 3d Virginia / Fuze thing, not sure about. Agreed on Fuze being a pretty low end team. This Fall will be first round of 3d teams after the Fuze Virginia acquisition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/08/14 08:48 PM
3D was a bust. The best kids in MD and DC didn't flock to 3D. The kids who tried 3D were kids looking for more playing time.

That may change, but the talent at Fuze is pretty thin.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/09/14 12:57 PM
3D no different than the other late comers trying to glean players from the established clubs. Nothing new here or special with their teams.....as bad as their [lacrosse] poor tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/09/14 02:04 PM
Anyone interested in 3d be forewarned, you will get great instruction but may not play. 3d likes to bring kids in from other regions to play. You can travel to a tourney, pay fees and hotel costs to watch kids you never saw before play on your "team" If your player enjoys developing chemistry with other players, 3d might not be a good program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/09/14 02:32 PM
Munro plays favorites to the Colorado and Cali kids.
No way 3d competes locally with Crabs, Breakers, FCA or VLC.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/09/14 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone interested in 3d be forewarned, you will get great instruction but may not play. 3d likes to bring kids in from other regions to play. You can travel to a tourney, pay fees and hotel costs to watch kids you never saw before play on your "team" If your player enjoys developing chemistry with other players, 3d might not be a good program.


Hey, thanks for the advice Ryan!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/09/14 06:50 PM
Did 3D ever apologize for that FLD in 3D tournament? What a fiasco.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/09/14 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard Crabs do Indoor training, is that included in the pricetag or do they charge extra? Do Crabs bring in outside training for specialty positions? What is included in the price? Looking for a club, but don't want to get nickeled and dimed at every turn


Crabs are hands down the best program..
Breakers, Hawks, FCA will have their moments.
Crabs set the standard.
End of story
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/09/14 11:10 PM
Not sure why people think breakers is an elite program. Average at best. They play weak tourneys. Fca isn't elite yet. Could be considered that in a few years. Their best teams are really greene turtle teams and their younger teams are very average to below average.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/10/14 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone interested in 3d be forewarned, you will get great instruction but may not play. 3d likes to bring kids in from other regions to play. You can travel to a tourney, pay fees and hotel costs to watch kids you never saw before play on your "team" If your player enjoys developing chemistry with other players, 3d might not be a good program.


You mean like the way Crabs brings in kids from their older teams when they play really tough competition? Is that what you mean?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/10/14 01:18 PM
3D / Fuze played before the Bayhawks game yesterday. 3d/fuze apparently just dumped the Fuze part of the name and gave all the gear with Fuze still on it away for free - so the kids and families were decked out nicely in fuze gear. The Annapolis Rec club AYLA beat them easily. No real changes to the program coaches or philosophy yet other than going from non-profit to for-profit apparently.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/10/14 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3D / Fuze played before the Bayhawks game yesterday. 3d/fuze apparently just dumped the Fuze part of the name and gave all the gear with Fuze still on it away for free - so the kids and families were decked out nicely in fuze gear. The Annapolis Rec club AYLA beat them easily. No real changes to the program coaches or philosophy yet other than going from non-profit to for-profit apparently.


Have you really been reduced to making these mean spirited observations about U-9 kids from some pohick in Virginia playing against an Annapolis rec team? Wow, that really makes a bold statement about the caliber of another rival club.

And do you mean for-profit like Crabs taking in club fees into a 501-C-3 entity and then the sole owner of that entity directing most of that money into tournament fees in a for-profit company also solely owned and managed by the same guy? Have another cheeseburger Ryan and hope the IRS has better things to do than read this board and audit your company.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/10/14 05:26 PM
Said the guy who's kid couldn't make the Crabs...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/10/14 10:03 PM
Ouch....................
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/10/14 11:57 PM
My understanding is that there are two new 3d teams: 3d Virginia/Fuze, and 3d Mid-Atlantic/Maryland. The mid-atlantic team is based out of Annapolis, but pulls heavily from Virginia. It is invite-only and I believe just has a high school team right now. This is the team that several of VLC 2017 kids defected to, not the Virginia team. Never seen them play, but have heard that they are really good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/11/14 01:34 AM
Untrue. A couple of Madlax and a couple of VLC kids joined this team over the sumer, which is a combo team. Basically kids who weren't happy about playing time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/13/14 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard Crabs do Indoor training, is that included in the pricetag or do they charge extra? Do Crabs bring in outside training for specialty positions? What is included in the price? Looking for a club, but don't want to get nickeled and dimed at every turn


Crabs advertize for Box Training on their website, but it is not run by the Crabs. It is an affiliation with Box Lacrosse Training. The sessions are run by Jordan Hall and Drew Westervelt. Jordan and Drew are not coaches for the Crabs. They do an excellent job with the kids. There are kids from the Crabs and other clubs at the sessions. I would really encourage you to take advantage of their training - every kid comes out better after each sessions....

http://www.boxlacrossetraining.com/

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/13/14 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Untrue. A couple of Madlax and a couple of VLC kids joined this team over the sumer, which is a combo team. Basically kids who weren't happy about playing time.


There are at least three D1 commits who left MadLax and VLC for their own reasons this Summer. Kids who wanted something else, not kids who struggled to see the field obviously.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/13/14 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Untrue. A couple of Madlax and a couple of VLC kids joined this team over the sumer, which is a combo team. Basically kids who weren't happy about playing time.


There are at least three D1 commits who left MadLax and VLC for their own reasons this Summer. Kids who wanted something else, not kids who struggled to see the field obviously.


That's a complete lie. If you look at the kids from BOTH Madlax and VLC who left, you are not looking at a total of 3 D1 commitments. Not even close.

Nobody said some/all of them "struggled to see the field". What you wrote is not true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/13/14 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Untrue. A couple of Madlax and a couple of VLC kids joined this team over the sumer, which is a combo team. Basically kids who weren't happy about playing time.


There are at least three D1 commits who left MadLax and VLC for their own reasons this Summer. Kids who wanted something else, not kids who struggled to see the field obviously.


That's a complete lie. If you look at the kids from BOTH Madlax and VLC who left, you are not looking at a total of 3 D1 commitments. Not even close.

Nobody said some/all of them "struggled to see the field". What you wrote is not true.


1 High Point + 1 Georgetown + 1 Ivy = 3. Actually you wrote they were not happy about playing time. You Crabs guys need to get back to wife beating.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/13/14 11:42 PM
Why do you assume that the kids left Madlax/VLC, rather than just guest playing for 3d in addition to their Madlax/VLC events?

No idea who the Ivy kid is, but the High Point and Gtown kids did exactly that. They didn't leave VLC...in fact they played at VLC's last tourney this summer after guesting with 3d. And they will continue with VLC this fall and beyond. You are very misinformed, or deliberately lying.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 01:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you assume that the kids left Madlax/VLC, rather than just guest playing for 3d in addition to their Madlax/VLC events?

No idea who the Ivy kid is, but the High Point and Gtown kids did exactly that. They didn't leave VLC...in fact they played at VLC's last tourney this summer after guesting with 3d. And they will continue with VLC this fall and beyond. You are very misinformed, or deliberately lying.


Guest playing? You are joking, right? Whether these kids actually leave VLC is one thing, but they were definitely contemplating it or they wouldn't have been playing for another club. Sounds like VLC is starting to implode.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 02:10 AM
Actually, kids guest play for other clubs all the time. Every kid wants to get in front of coaches as much as possible. You would know that if you had as much knowledge about the club scene as you seem to imagine.

Nope, I'm quite sincere. Go ahead, ask those kids about their club affiliation and where they are playing this year. Or ask any of their teammates. Surely you know many of them, since you are so plugged in, right?

As for your comment about VLC...clearly wishful thinking. Go online and look at where VLC players have committed in the last few weeks alone. A few examples: Duke, Georgetown, Maryland, Navy, UVA, Amherst. Tough when nonsense runs into facts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 02:57 AM
You vlc noobs are so predictable. A few choice adjectives and you start drooling on your keyboard and citing the number of commits. Happens every time without fail. Strange you still can't win a tournament. You also neglected to mention that the majority of the vlc kids guest playing for 3d decided not to return to vlc. Speaks volumes!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 05:56 PM
Kids change clubs for different reasons. Costs, prestige, needs to be showcased. I personally know one of the VLC parents of a kid that left, and their son is a recent D1 commit. Their reasons were all non lacrosse related. Costs and too much driving because they lived in Maryland, siblings also on Maryland teams. I was surprised to be told they were all positive on VLC and said 3d was not as good a team but was a better fit for their kids. He did say Ryan McClernan was a difficult personality but ran a great club. That was the only negative. How is it that all the "normal" VLC people seem to leave, even if the reasons are not lacrosse unhappy?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 07:05 PM
Did VLC's 2018 this Summer have a lot of holdbacks? No slam - just curious . . .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 09:22 PM
Ryan McClernan can be very difficult. If Crabs started today they'd be nothing like they are now. They are living off their past reputation. That is what continues to bring the good players to them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you assume that the kids left Madlax/VLC, rather than just guest playing for 3d in addition to their Madlax/VLC events?

No idea who the Ivy kid is, but the High Point and Gtown kids did exactly that. They didn't leave VLC...in fact they played at VLC's last tourney this summer after guesting with 3d. And they will continue with VLC this fall and beyond. You are very misinformed, or deliberately lying.


Guest playing? You are joking, right? Whether these kids actually leave VLC is one thing, but they were definitely contemplating it or they wouldn't have been playing for another club. Sounds like VLC is starting to implode.



You Madlax dads are bizarre. You should be focused on the Madlax kids who played for 3D at that event. Somebody is about to get an angry email!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 10:45 PM
I think our respective posts speak for themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 11:20 PM
Consider digging a little deeper on that "ivy commit" rather than taking what they've told you at face value. Might be surprised. Normal not the word I would use.

Not aware of any holdbacks for VLC 2018. Lots of public school kids so hard to see how they could have repeated a year...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/14/14 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think our respective posts speak for themselves.


Was referring to the post calling out "vlc noobs"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/15/14 01:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you assume that the kids left Madlax/VLC, rather than just guest playing for 3d in addition to their Madlax/VLC events?

No idea who the Ivy kid is, but the High Point and Gtown kids did exactly that. They didn't leave VLC...in fact they played at VLC's last tourney this summer after guesting with 3d. And they will continue with VLC this fall and beyond. You are very misinformed, or deliberately lying.


Guest playing? You are joking, right? Whether these kids actually leave VLC is one thing, but they were definitely contemplating it or they wouldn't have been playing for another club. Sounds like VLC is starting to implode.



You Madlax dads are bizarre. You should be focused on the Madlax kids who played for 3D at that event. Somebody is about to get an angry email!


What, how dare you talk bad about my son's super important lacrosse team. Those players were guest playing.

Have I mentioned that we have lots of commits on our team. A few examples: Duke, Georgetown, Maryland, Navy, UVA, Amherst. Tough when nonsense runs into facts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/15/14 10:42 AM
Is guest play a new lacrosse urban dictionary term? Like repeating a grade is called reclassifying? At least half these kids will quit playing club after committing considering school teams play club tournaments now and there are a lot of throw together All Star invite teams that kids can do 1-3 tournaments in Summer with. That is not a dig on VLC but a slam on all vlub programs. Give it one more year and you won't be seeing any of the best players doing club after Fall of 9th grade. We are already seeing that some. Clubs will soon be bragging about the commits who used to play for their teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/15/14 01:16 PM


Guest playing = guest paying

...or worse yet, the original players paying but not playing and the guests suiting up for a freebie.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/15/14 04:04 PM
How did VLC parents get to be this terrible? Did Mylan P. become your leader among crazy parents? Used to be such a friendly club for families in Fairfax County. VLC was never hurting to produce college commits in 2012 or now. Neither has MadLax or Blackwolf. Why the hate over a few kids leaving you club?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/15/14 05:54 PM
Very well said.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/15/14 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did VLC parents get to be this terrible? Did Mylan P. become your leader among crazy parents? Used to be such a friendly club for families in Fairfax County. VLC was never hurting to produce college commits in 2012 or now. Neither has MadLax or Blackwolf. Why the hate over a few kids leaving you club?


Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/15/14 10:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did VLC parents get to be this terrible? Did Mylan P. become your leader among crazy parents? Used to be such a friendly club for families in Fairfax County. VLC was never hurting to produce college commits in 2012 or now. Neither has MadLax or Blackwolf. Why the hate over a few kids leaving you club?


Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc.


I'm speculating here, but maybe posters are only discussing VLC because it's more fun to watch you VLC dad's throw virtual temper tampers, stomping your feet, and pounding your fists. Quite entertaining and very disturbing!!! The madlax parents (or any other club parent for that matter) do not react with the same level of fanaticism. And no, I'm not a madlax parent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/16/14 02:00 PM

Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc. [/quote]

I'm speculating here, but maybe posters are only discussing VLC because it's more fun to watch you VLC dad's throw virtual temper tampers, stomping your feet, and pounding your fists. Quite entertaining and very disturbing!!! The madlax parents (or any other club parent for that matter) do not react with the same level of fanaticism. And no, I'm not a madlax parent. [/quote]

Three words of advice to VLC parents: try fantasy football.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/16/14 05:25 PM
Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc. [/quote]

So in summary VLC is the best team with the most commits, kids guest play but never leave VLC, the only kids who are allowed to leave VLC are the lousy players who are unhappy with playing time, there is no such thing as a kid who left VLC who ever committed or will commit, parents from every other club team in the area are crazy and jealous and anyone who disagrees with any of what you wrote is a lying liar. And if anyone wants to fight, head over to the beer bash VLC tent at the next tournament. Thank you, we are all happy you cleared everything up for us.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/16/14 06:42 PM
Just reading through this thread and it seems like the Madlax parents started it by saying VLC is falling apart, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/16/14 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just reading through this thread and it seems like the Madlax parents started it by saying VLC is falling apart, etc.


Interesting choice of words, "...the madlax parents started it..."

To add to the summary, anyone ever disagreeing with VLC must ALWAYS be from Madlax.

I read the posts differently. You need to go a few further posts back. A poster, likely with no affiliation to madlax - but who knows, mentioned that several VLC kids left the program. Then a mentally deranged VLC parent started foaming at the mouth, quoting commits, blabbering nonsense about kids guest playing, bashing other clubs, calling people liars, and generally acting like a giant baby.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/16/14 10:31 PM
This behavior from VLC parents is not limited to the internet. Wait to you get a load of them at games! You will never see parents whine, cry and be bigger victims than that group. It's embarrassing.

VLC parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/17/14 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This behavior from VLC parents is not limited to the internet. Wait to you get a load of them at games! You will never see parents whine, cry and be bigger victims than that group. It's embarrassing.

VLC parent


Correlation for this stuff to the arrival of the Myland show is 100%. It is embarrassing, glad they are not our problem anymore and sorry they are yours.

MadLax parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/17/14 10:29 PM
You're right. There is a lot of embarrassing behavior out there.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/18/14 03:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You're right. There is a lot of embarrassing behavior out there.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941


VLC parent, please give it a rest. No one cares about madlax, you are making a fool of yourself and our organization.

Crab Parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/18/14 01:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You're right. There is a lot of embarrassing behavior out there.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941


VLC parent, please give it a rest. No one cares about madlax, you are making a fool of yourself and our organization.

Crab Parent


Nice to see Mid-Atlantic parents are even more insane than LI parents.... Keep it up, it's very entertaining.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/18/14 02:00 PM
Yeah create a Madlax or VLC thread and take it there....no wait...no one cares, forget it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/18/14 07:15 PM
No comments on the MadLax thread for months. Somewhere Cabell is smiling. Who is the crazy lunatic now?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/18/14 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You're right. There is a lot of embarrassing behavior out there.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941


VLC parent, please give it a rest. No one cares about madlax, you are making a fool of yourself and our organization.

Crab Parent


Nice to see Mid-Atlantic parents are even more insane than LI parents.... Keep it up, it's very entertaining.


Yes, it is. Put a Crabs sticker on VLC side helmets and whooiieee, it's like listening to your cousin with D cup implants who just married up. I love that nervous cringe when I ask a BLC parent if his son plays for the Virginia or the Baltimore Crabs. The blue bloods at BLC hate that, but what can they do? Friends you choose, family you're stuck with. This board is precious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 12:18 AM
Not as good as listening to a Madlax parent trying to explain the emails.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 11:32 AM
Alright, I'll bite. My son is 13 and a 2019 player for a MD club team. I will say that the "hold backs" are annoying to many parents and kids, and I do think there are some safety risks associated with doing this depending on the age group.
BUT...the hold backs are a result of the private schools here in MD and NOT because of the Crabs, FCA, or any of the other elite team in the state. The clubs have no control over this, and why wouldn't they pick up a player that tried out and is in the correct grad year class? There is a biased towards the Crabs, but let's be real, the Crabs are the destination of choice by many of the elite players so naturally you may see more playing for them. I've been to many tournaments, and seen what appear to be grown men running down the field on a 2019 team. LI teams, Texas teams, VA teams, MD teams, it happens everywhere. The whole MD vs LI thing is all bs, there are good players in both places and the fact that a team beat another team 1 year in 1 tournament means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Teams change every year at this level and will for another few years. So, get over it. It's a fact of life and it does not look like things will change any time soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 12:25 PM
just another "lax bro" landon reclass gaming the system.

http://deadspin.com/why-rich-lacrosse-parents-are-making-their-kids-repeat-1570381983

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 12:41 PM
In terms of holdbacks, you are right. You can't repeat grades in the public school systems because you feel like it, you repeat because you flunked a grade. You won't see private schools complaining that people will pay $30K tuition a year to them for four or five years depending on 8th or 9th grades repeated. That is good for business if you are an MIAA or IAC prep school in Maryland. The basic thing is people will pay $120K - $150K for a prep school to give their kids a better chance to get a lacrosse scholarship worth $5K - $20K a year for four years. Instead of mocking the kids, we should be laughing at the financial stupidity of the parents. I feel like fool enough paying $300 a day for lacrosse at showcases or prospect days. Paying $300 a day to a college program for a sign up prospect day doesn't sound to me like the college program recruiting my son, it sounds a lot more like a money grab. The king money grab is full paying customers at MD prep schools.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 01:45 PM
Agree 100%
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 01:46 PM
The holdback / reclassifying is fueled by the egotistical parents of private school kids that can justify it solely on the grounds "because they can". Mathematically it makes no sense at all - but they can afford it! Tough for the U13AA player moving up to the U15AA team only to find out half of players from last year's U15 team are repeating. I would have a hard time watching my son abuse 8th graders when he should be playing high school lacrosse with his peers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The holdback / reclassifying is fueled by the egotistical parents of private school kids that can justify it solely on the grounds "because they can". Mathematically it makes no sense at all - but they can afford it! Tough for the U13AA player moving up to the U15AA team only to find out half of players from last year's U15 team are repeating. I would have a hard time watching my son abuse 8th graders when he should be playing high school lacrosse with his peers.


If you are a suburbia Maryland 5'7 prep school 9th grader at the age of 16 and drinking creatine shakes three times a day to get up to 160 pounds, what other sports can you go D1 in? Soccer and cross country running. Lacrosse has not grown enough yet where this sport is not a sanctuary for athletic but undersized white prep school kids. Makes sense parents want to keep the Camelot going by repeating junior in school. Soon that won't matter. Think 6'0+ and 200lbs+ football players undersized for D1 football coming into this sport.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 03:53 PM
I have been saying that for years. You take a all-county linebacker that is undersized at 6' 190 lbs and cannot get a sniff at D3 college football - put a long pole in his hand and in two years he is killing it. I have never been involved in a sport where there is such an assumption that the kids are all going to play college lacrosse. I guess it has been a given for a long time in the Baltimore lacrosse scene.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 04:09 PM
ALL sports are going the route of bigger stronger athletes! The days of 5'7 160lbs D1 lacrosse players is almost dead and will be done soon. The smaller players will have to be twice as good as the bigger stronger players to earn the spots that they used to own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 05:11 PM
What is bigger stronger going to do for you when you can't touch another player on the field without a penalty being called. Days of being a tough lacrosse player are over. I think there is a new rule if you say the word "man" when going for a ground ball it is a penalty. Quicker faster is the new lax player profile. Soon you wont need any pads there will be no more checking at all. They are killing the game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 05:47 PM
[quote=Anonymous]What is bigger stronger going to do for you when you can't touch another player on the field without a penalty being called. Days of being a tough lacrosse player are over. I think there is a new rule if you say the word "man" when going for a ground ball it is a penalty. Quicker faster is the new lax player profile. Soon you wont need any pads there will be no more checking at all. They are killing the game [/quot


That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 06:05 PM
[quote=Anonymous
That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior. [/quote]

Obviously the bitter janitor at Boys Latin or Prep
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous
That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior.


Obviously the bitter janitor at Boys Latin or Prep [/quote]

Wrong, just a comment from a realistic lacrosse parent of a public school "new era" athlete who smokes you Crabby Patties every time on the field. Enjoy what is left of the dying breed, or in-bred.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 06:43 PM
While the clubs have no control over all these hold backs they encourage it. I was at the Crabs tryouts last year for U11 or 5th grade and the head guy said and that the team would be grade base not aged and he would actually encourage our children to stay back a grade if needed for development. This was said to all the parents.
He isnt the only club director that thinks this way. At the youth level I find all this whole back and grade based teams against all the things we constantly hear about fair sportsmanship at the youth level. Letting a select groups of kids play down goes against fair play at youth level no matter how you spin it...Dont you just love the same people who have no problem with all these holdbacks talking about the spirit of game..yep created said hold back that child and get a edge...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
While the clubs have no control over all these hold backs they encourage it. I was at the Crabs tryouts last year for U11 or 5th grade and the head guy said and that the team would be grade base not aged and he would actually encourage our children to stay back a grade if needed for development. This was said to all the parents.
He isnt the only club director that thinks this way. At the youth level I find all this whole back and grade based teams against all the things we constantly hear about fair sportsmanship at the youth level. Letting a select groups of kids play down goes against fair play at youth level no matter how you spin it...Dont you just love the same people who have no problem with all these holdbacks talking about the spirit of game..yep created said hold back that child and get a edge...


Crabs said from the start (even on the website) that the 2021 and 2020 teams would be grade based - not sure why anyone would be surprised
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior.


Obviously the bitter janitor at Boys Latin or Prep


Wrong, just a comment from a realistic lacrosse parent of a public school "new era" athlete who smokes you Crabby Patties every time on the field. Enjoy what is left of the dying breed, or in-bred.


Get your jabs in now, because once school starts you will have some cleaning up to do
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

That argument does not work to save the undersized prep school kids. Bigger, stronger, faster and better athletes will prevail over twerpy Maryland prep school kids every time. Saying Maryland kids have higher lacrosse IQ does not work when a new breed of athlete comes in and puts in the practice to get stick skills, and then runs right by junior.


Obviously the bitter janitor at Boys Latin or Prep


Wrong, just a comment from a realistic lacrosse parent of a public school "new era" athlete who smokes you Crabby Patties every time on the field. Enjoy what is left of the dying breed, or in-bred.


Get your jabs in now, because once school starts you will have some cleaning up to do


You stay classy Baltimore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 08:53 PM
Not surprised at all that Crabs do it.I was responding ""that clubs just deal with all holdbacks""..It is more than that when certain clubs encourage it. Of course they encourage it as they get the majority of holdbacks . And the most holdbacks on a team will result in most wins at the youth level. Most wins more prestigious the club...Levels out somewhat once players get to HS but at youth level makes a HUGE difference. Maryland and its reason for grade based teams should be on the HALL OF SHAME of youth athletics. Why USL doesnt come out with some strong statements is beyond me??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
While the clubs have no control over all these hold backs they encourage it. I was at the Crabs tryouts last year for U11 or 5th grade and the head guy said and that the team would be grade base not aged and he would actually encourage our children to stay back a grade if needed for development. This was said to all the parents.
He isnt the only club director that thinks this way. At the youth level I find all this whole back and grade based teams against all the things we constantly hear about fair sportsmanship at the youth level. Letting a select groups of kids play down goes against fair play at youth level no matter how you spin it...Dont you just love the same people who have no problem with all these holdbacks talking about the spirit of game..yep created said hold back that child and get a edge...

Spot on. NPYLL voted to stay age based this coming year. Crabs and Hawks vetoed it and NPYLL is going grade based. Why? So Crabs can continue to field teams of overage players. Crabs are at the heart of the problem.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 09:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Alright, I'll bite. My son is 13 and a 2019 player for a MD club team. I will say that the "hold backs" are annoying to many parents and kids, and I do think there are some safety risks associated with doing this depending on the age group.
BUT...the hold backs are a result of the private schools here in MD and NOT because of the Crabs, FCA, or any of the other elite team in the state. The clubs have no control over this, and why wouldn't they pick up a player that tried out and is in the correct grad year class? There is a biased towards the Crabs, but let's be real, the Crabs are the destination of choice by many of the elite players so naturally you may see more playing for them. I've been to many tournaments, and seen what appear to be grown men running down the field on a 2019 team. LI teams, Texas teams, VA teams, MD teams, it happens everywhere. The whole MD vs LI thing is all bs, there are good players in both places and the fact that a team beat another team 1 year in 1 tournament means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Teams change every year at this level and will for another few years. So, get over it. It's a fact of life and it does not look like things will change any time soon.


Very naďve. I understand your point related to the Prefirst year, but that doesn’t explain the huge numbers reclassing in 8th grade. Funny thing, coincidental I’m sure, that these players mostly play for the Crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 09:28 PM
"Maryland and its reason for grade based teams should be on the HALL OF SHAME of youth athletics."

where are you from? when my kid 1st started playing just 3 years ago all balt area club teams including Crabs were age. Looney's, Green Turtle, Breakers, Rough Riders - all went by age. Just about all MD tournaments were too and still are - LaxSplash, beach Lax, Summer sizzle, summer exposure, green turtle, capital classic. When we ventured north to PA and NJ the tournaments mostly went by grade and the NY, PA, NJ teams mostly had graduation year in their names. Not saying MD prep schools don't have their fair share of holdbacks and reclassing in 8th for lax is crazy -- but it seems as the clubs down here followed the lead of our friends to the north
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 09:52 PM
Take reclassers away from the Crabs==weak sister VLC!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/19/14 11:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Take reclassers away from the Crabs==weak sister VLC!!


Except that the weak sister VLC also has a number of reclass kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/20/14 01:09 AM
There is a HUGE difference in Teams up North as grade based. All the teams we played from NJ and NY were grade based. But they could have easily have been age based as all the players were at the proper age for tournaments. At least that was the teams we played from up North. The Long Island parents looked at me strange when I asked about how many holdbacks were on their team. Maryland has gone grade base for ALL club teams at the youth level this year and one of the BIG reasons is the HUGE amount of children held back at the many private schools in Maryland. If you think that isnt the reason than your head is in the sand. Once again Maryland should be in the "HALL OF SHAME" for youth athletics for this movement to accommodate these selected children of holdbacks...Letting your children play down at youth level goes well with all this character education at the private schools in Maryland that is all the rage now...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/20/14 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Take reclassers away from the Crabs==weak sister VLC!!


Except that the weak sister VLC also has a number of reclass kids


The 2 best Madlax 2017 kids are kids who reclassified.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/20/14 02:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a HUGE difference in Teams up North as grade based. All the teams we played from NJ and NY were grade based. But they could have easily have been age based as all the players were at the proper age for tournaments. At least that was the teams we played from up North. The Long Island parents looked at me strange when I asked about how many holdbacks were on their team. Maryland has gone grade base for ALL club teams at the youth level this year and one of the BIG reasons is the HUGE amount of children held back at the many private schools in Maryland. If you think that isnt the reason than your head is in the sand. Once again Maryland should be in the "HALL OF SHAME" for youth athletics for this movement to accommodate these selected children of holdbacks...Letting your children play down at youth level goes well with all this character education at the private schools in Maryland that is all the rage now...


I thought reclassing was also fairly prevalent in NJ and Philly where there are also a lot of private school kids. It doesn't happen as often in LI because most kids go to the public schools.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/20/14 03:23 PM
I'm not in the middle of this, but my understanding was that New [lacrosse] public schools placed kids in grades based on the calendar year. So that, for example, a kid with a November birthday would be in the same grade as a kid born 6 months early in May.

By contrast, U.S. Lacrosse uses a September 1st cutoff, which is I think is pretty similar to the breakpoint many parents use for which grade their kids attend. (Although I understand it is more common now for parents to "hold back" a boy born in July or August than back in my grade school days.)

This would explain why New [lacrosse] would field grade-based teams, so they aren't splitting up kids from their friends in their same grade. This would also mean that NY grade-based teams are, on average, a little bit younger than most grade-based teams.

That's quite a different purpose than going to grade-based teams so that you can have pre-September 1st kids on your team and not have to worry about U.S. Lacrosse age rules. While I doubt anyone cares about a kid with an August 28th birthday "playing down", it makes a pretty significant difference if a kid is born much earlier than that.

Besides eventual recruiting issues more pertinent to LI and Md, my non-hotbed program going to grade-based teams in order to let more kids per grade be on the "A" team, keep kids together and, most significantly, offer the best and safest competition by playing kids your own age. Stacking your grade based team with older kids takes away from this last objective, but it's still safer for my 6th graders to play "old" 6th graders than it is to play 7th graders - so it's hard to care too much.

I agree that I think it's ridiculous to hold back developmentally-normal younger kids for athletic reasons, but it seems incredibly prevalent as kids jump to private HS's across the country, certainly not just for lacrosse. I have to think many of those parents are not paying "retail" tuition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/20/14 09:20 PM
Yes NY School cutoff is an added source of disadvantage a kid who was born December 1, 1999 could be:

A natural 2017 if born in NY
A natural 2018 if born in MD
A holdback 2019 if born in MD and reclassified for Private School

According to US Lacrosse youth age cutoffs this kid should be 2018.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/20/14 09:53 PM
Landon doing Fall season and holding a Nov HS team tournament. PVI, SSAS, Gonzaga. Well, that pretty much puts a pill in VLC and Madlax both, and 3d too for that matter for kids who went there. HS teams are now playing Summer and Fall seasons.

Bye bye club lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 02:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Landon doing Fall season and holding a Nov HS team tournament. PVI, SSAS, Gonzaga. Well, that pretty much puts a pill in VLC and Madlax both, and 3d too for that matter for kids who went there. HS teams are now playing Summer and Fall seasons.

Bye bye club lacrosse.


Bye-bye to the high school teams, but not 2nd thru 8th grade. From what I could see, the high school club kids were just all-star teams pulled from where ever the clubs could get them. They were not really representative of the kids the clubs actually coached and developed. I could be wrong.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 10:37 AM
I just hope the public high schools do not start having summer and fall teams. This will hurt the top level public school kids who should get the chance to be seen with the best kids in the USA. The PVIs of the world will have the talent to play anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 10:42 AM
This is a example of people not looking out for whats best for the kids. The high school coach cares about his team and his record not whats best for the best player or players on his team. There is nothing worse then a low level team with one or two players who are supper studs and the coaches are not telling these kids to leave there program and play at a level and team that they should be playing for/on. I blame weak parents who know there kid is playing with a weak local program but they do not want to upset there local friends so they keep there son stuck on a crappy team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 11:38 AM
Is that an argument that clubs care about the kids more than the D1 commits list for their programs to attract youth program kids shooting for the same? Come on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Landon doing Fall season and holding a Nov HS team tournament. PVI, SSAS, Gonzaga. Well, that pretty much puts a pill in VLC and Madlax both, and 3d too for that matter for kids who went there. HS teams are now playing Summer and Fall seasons.

Bye bye club lacrosse.


Hyperbole much? This is hardly the end of club lacrosse. Some HS teams have been playing summer ball for years, and it did nothing to end club lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 03:05 PM
I think when you get to the varsity level, more HS are attending tournaments as a HS team. The Crabs makes it clear in their sign-ups that you have to clear with HS coach that the schedules won't conflict. In the past that was not an issue but the more tournaments that HS participate in, the more conflict. My guess is any smart kid will choose to play with his HS team over club if forced to choose. Most club's will understand the decision
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 03:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think when you get to the varsity level, more HS are attending tournaments as a HS team. The Crabs makes it clear in their sign-ups that you have to clear with HS coach that the schedules won't conflict. In the past that was not an issue but the more tournaments that HS participate in, the more conflict. My guess is any smart kid will choose to play with his HS team over club if forced to choose. Most club's will understand the decision


This only holds true for the top HS teams - most public and 2nd tier private play with their clubs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 05:28 PM
How were the turnouts for the first round of Crabs tryouts? The FCA tryouts had a ton of kids. Heard Breakers was stacked too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 06:12 PM
110 at Crabs 15U
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 06:21 PM
The top club teams are not holding a kid back from getting the best looks that kid should be getting. I do not mind paying money if its for my kid to play with the best and be the best. The best kid or two on these mid to lower level club/high school teams need to play for the better AA top club teams. That is whats best for those stud players. They should not be held back by some local big mouth high school/club coach telling him he needs to play with his friends/high school teamates.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 06:38 PM
Couple hundred kids at 2018/2019 tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/21/14 09:08 PM
Multiple kids trying out for several teams!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 01:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Couple hundred kids at 2018/2019 tryouts.


It is ironic that you combined the two age groups. There are as many as 7 boys that played for the 2018 team last year that are trying out for the 2019 team this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 03:43 PM
They were combined because they tried out on same days so I saw both groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 03:56 PM
How can that be if you played 2018 last year and are trying out for 2019 this year??????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 05:07 PM
Two separate sessions on the same day. Session 1 - 2019, session 2 - 2018. They were back to back. My son trying out for 2019 team and the 2018 players were right after us. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. If you want it broken out there were about a hundred at each.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How can that be if you played 2018 last year and are trying out for 2019 this year??????


Above poster out it best, "Crabs are at the heart of the [reclassing] problem"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 05:35 PM
Lacrosse has been ruined by crazy parents acting like a partial lacrosse scholarship is worth these tradeoffs to hold their sissy kids back for an advantage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 08:45 PM
Whats back to back sessions got to do with playing 2018 last year and trying out for 2019 this year.. Must be age base last year and grade base this year players...in other words kids that have been heldback..They are going to be some outstanding players if they made team last year and are trying out for same team or less this year...Way to go Maryland...Spirit of youth athletics at its Best!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 09:24 PM
Best way to respond to that is ..waaaahhhhh.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 09:28 PM
I was answering the question on how many kids were at tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/22/14 10:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best way to respond to that is ..waaaahhhhh.


Yes, that is exactly how MD sissies respond.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/23/14 01:15 AM
Exactly Maryland ...who has the most players in Nation playing down in the sport of lacrosse....MARYLAND...the king of lacrosse holdbacks ....Way to go Maryland...You are the Man... Nothing like having your children play down....You set an example we all should follow in the world of lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/23/14 02:13 AM
Long Island dads are insane.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/23/14 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Exactly Maryland ...who has the most players in Nation playing down in the sport of lacrosse....MARYLAND...the king of lacrosse holdbacks ....Way to go Maryland...You are the Man... Nothing like having your children play down....You set an example we all should follow in the world of lacrosse.


Do you have some statistic you can point to proving this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/23/14 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Exactly Maryland ...who has the most players in Nation playing down in the sport of lacrosse....MARYLAND...the king of lacrosse holdbacks ....Way to go Maryland...You are the Man... Nothing like having your children play down....You set an example we all should follow in the world of lacrosse.


Do you have some statistic you can point to proving this?


Yes, the club roster birthdates of MD teams for all youth and HS teams versus. Now, where does your reply go next with that data? Back to name calling?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/24/14 12:07 PM
For what's it worth, many teachers feel that boys are so behind girls in maturity that they should all be held back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/24/14 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For what's it worth, many teachers feel that boys are so behind girls in maturity that they should all be held back.


I'm a teacher, and that is ridiculous!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/24/14 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Exactly Maryland ...who has the most players in Nation playing down in the sport of lacrosse....MARYLAND...the king of lacrosse holdbacks ....Way to go Maryland...You are the Man... Nothing like having your children play down....You set an example we all should follow in the world of lacrosse.


Do you have some statistic you can point to proving this?


This is concrete evidence at its best
Great job

Yes, the club roster birthdates of MD teams for all youth and HS teams versus. Now, where does your reply go next with that data? Back to name calling?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/24/14 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For what's it worth, many teachers feel that boys are so behind girls in maturity that they should all be held back.


I'm a teacher, and that is ridiculous!!


You may find it ridiculous but there are many who do not:

http://www.parents.com/kids/education/kindergarten/kindergarten-age/
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/24/14 04:06 PM
Many do find it ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/dont-delay-your-kindergartners-start.html
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/24/14 04:47 PM


This article talks about delaying school, which is not the same as repeating kindergarten or first grade. Try another google search.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/25/14 12:58 AM
So there is a big difference in holding your child from starting Kindergarten and holding him back after ONE year in kindergarten.. Yea that's a BIG difference. Those mature kindergartners know the difference after attending school one year. It talks about younger vs older in grade school. Maybe you need to go back and redshirt kindergarten!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/25/14 05:30 PM
Teams announced yesterday.
CRABS 2018 have some real solid additions.
That team is going to be tough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/25/14 05:32 PM
CRABS 2018 team announced.
Going to be very special....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/25/14 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams announced yesterday.
CRABS 2018 have some real solid additions.
That team is going to be tough.


Do kids leave or are they cut? Some additions also means subtractions. Feel bad for a kid if he came up playing for the Crabs and then gets whacked right when it starts to matter for recruiting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/25/14 07:54 PM
Thought they were supposed to post the 2019s sometime this morning. Any idea what the hold up is?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/25/14 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CRABS 2018 team announced.
Going to be very special....


I will have to take your word. There are only numbers, no names, on website. What gives?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/25/14 09:22 PM
Heard the average age of the 2018 team is 17 (plus or minus).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/25/14 09:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard the average age of the 2018 team is 17 (plus or minus).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CRABS 2018 team announced.
Going to be very special....


... and very old.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/25/14 10:55 PM
Same story line as last year - but FCA still spanked them!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams announced yesterday.
CRABS 2018 have some real solid additions.
That team is going to be tough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 12:16 AM
The brilliance in this is parents don't have to drive to Fall tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 01:04 AM
Funny stuff... Wonder if the record books of lacrosse and US top teams will have an asterisk by Maryland teams one day..It will be for all the holdbacks on the Top teams from HS down to U9. Sorta like the Steroid era for Baseball. We will have the holdback era for Lacrosse....Funny stuff...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 02:33 AM
Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.


91 Orange (2019), how many holdbacks, or kids that are 15 or are turning 15 will your team have on its roster this year? If the answer is zero, you have every reason to be upset. You have arguably the best team in the country and look at the lengths the competition is going to in an effort to beat you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 03:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.


91 Orange (2019), how many holdbacks, or kids that are 15 or are turning 15 will your team have on its roster this year? If the answer is zero, you have every reason to be upset. You have arguably the best team in the country and look at the lengths the competition is going to in an effort to beat you.


Not sure any LI top 2019 team has a 15 or soon to be 15. Is this a norm in MD?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 03:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Alright, I'll bite. My son is 13 and a 2019 player for a MD club team. I will say that the "hold backs" are annoying to many parents and kids, and I do think there are some safety risks associated with doing this depending on the age group.
BUT...the hold backs are a result of the private schools here in MD and NOT because of the Crabs, FCA, or any of the other elite team in the state. The clubs have no control over this, and why wouldn't they pick up a player that tried out and is in the correct grad year class? There is a biased towards the Crabs, but let's be real, the Crabs are the destination of choice by many of the elite players so naturally you may see more playing for them. I've been to many tournaments, and seen what appear to be grown men running down the field on a 2019 team. LI teams, Texas teams, VA teams, MD teams, it happens everywhere. The whole MD vs LI thing is all bs, there are good players in both places and the fact that a team beat another team 1 year in 1 tournament means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Teams change every year at this level and will for another few years. So, get over it. It's a fact of life and it does not look like things will change any time soon.


What LI team has hold backs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 01:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.


91 Orange (2019), how many holdbacks, or kids that are 15 or are turning 15 will your team have on its roster this year? If the answer is zero, you have every reason to be upset. You have arguably the best team in the country and look at the lengths the competition is going to in an effort to beat you.


Crabs are good but were beaten by LI teams in almost age group, without the need for holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 02:17 PM
Looks like Daddy Ball has made its way to CRABS now. Sad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 03:00 PM
Now? They had a hardshells team just for 1 coaches son. Another kid on the 2017 team is only there because his father coaches a younger team...Crabs is all about the $ these days. The days of glory are long gone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 04:56 PM
I didnt even know about that one.... smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island dads are obsessed like no others.


91 Orange (2019), how many holdbacks, or kids that are 15 or are turning 15 will your team have on its roster this year? If the answer is zero, you have every reason to be upset. You have arguably the best team in the country and look at the lengths the competition is going to in an effort to beat you.


Not sure any LI top 2019 team has a 15 or soon to be 15. Is this a norm in MD?


They must be talking about those teams from Mass.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 08:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now? They had a hardshells team just for 1 coaches son. Another kid on the 2017 team is only there because his father coaches a younger team...Crabs is all about the $ these days. The days of glory are long gone.


You FCA guys never stop, do you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 11:30 PM
Can wait to beat the 2022 crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/26/14 11:41 PM
Not a big Crabs fan, but you just can't argue with their success. They are always strong at every level. Not too many clubs can claim that...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/27/14 12:55 AM
WOW!! This Crabs Venom is just crazy.
Every one of you negative posters would jump at the chance to have your kid play for them...

They set the bar and are the best.
End of story!!!

(and you are dying to get an invite to their tourneys!!) ha ha
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/27/14 12:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like Daddy Ball has made its way to CRABS now. Sad.


What does that mean?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/27/14 02:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WOW!! This Crabs Venom is just crazy.
Every one of you negative posters would jump at the chance to have your kid play for them...

They set the bar and are the best.
End of story!!!

(and you are dying to get an invite to their tourneys!!) ha ha


Not the best, barely won any tournaments. Get your head out of the sand!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/27/14 11:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WOW!! This Crabs Venom is just crazy.
Every one of you negative posters would jump at the chance to have your kid play for them...

They set the bar and are the best.
End of story!!!

(and you are dying to get an invite to their tourneys!!) ha ha


Not the best, barely won any tournaments. Get your head out of the sand!


I saw them lose in every bracket at there own crabfest tournament
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/27/14 04:00 PM
News Flash, it's not just the guys over at FCA that think Crabs and McClernan are bad guys! Keep holding kids back and try to pad your impressive numbers. The days of the Rabils and Stanwicks are long gone...better players seeking better options
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/27/14 05:59 PM
It means there are kids making CRABS teams because DAD is the coach, and thats the only reason. That can be found all over I get, but thought CRABS was supposed to be 100% only the best kids make it. Not the case.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/28/14 01:06 PM
The Crabs obviously get some really good players. The last few years they have been the powerhouse of Clubs in Baltimore. With the explosion of all these new Club teams along with existing clubs trying to get better, wonder if Crabs will have good teams across boards and maybe an outstanding team or two.Not either the best or second best in every league and tournament as before. No question Club lacrosse is getting diluted in Baltimore at the present time. There are just so many clubs vying for the above average players. Of course holdbacks will help out ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/28/14 01:51 PM
Just like division I basketball, more talent available and more options available. Crabs probably strongest from top to bottom, but FCA and Hawks challenging the throne. All of the elite teams also have the most holdbacks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Crabs obviously get some really good players. The last few years they have been the powerhouse of Clubs in Baltimore. With the explosion of all these new Club teams along with existing clubs trying to get better, wonder if Crabs will have good teams across boards and maybe an outstanding team or two.Not either the best or second best in every league and tournament as before. No question Club lacrosse is getting diluted in Baltimore at the present time. There are just so many clubs vying for the above average players. Of course holdbacks will help out ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 08/28/14 02:14 PM
I was talking to a X hawk players dad the other day and he says they had huge numbers at tryouts "2018" This fall.Also I think with the rise of better teams kids will play for the club the practices near there house?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/01/14 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was talking to a X hawk players dad the other day and he says they had huge numbers at tryouts "2018" This fall.Also I think with the rise of better teams kids will play for the club the practices near there house?


No comparison between Hawks and Crabs, at least not yet. Hawks need to be able to field good teams at every level, year-in and year-out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/01/14 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was talking to a X hawk players dad the other day and he says they had huge numbers at tryouts "2018" This fall.Also I think with the rise of better teams kids will play for the club the practices near there house?


No comparison between Hawks and Crabs, at least not yet. Hawks need to be able to field good teams at every level, year-in and year-out.


3 best players left hawks and went to crabs......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/01/14 07:25 PM
Did any FCA palyers move over to Crabs?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/01/14 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was talking to a X hawk players dad the other day and he says they had huge numbers at tryouts "2018" This fall.Also I think with the rise of better teams kids will play for the club the practices near there house?


No comparison between Hawks and Crabs, at least not yet. Hawks need to be able to field good teams at every level, year-in and year-out.


3 best players left hawks and went to crabs......


hawks best player still there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/01/14 11:28 PM
3 Of the best left.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/01/14 11:36 PM
and 4 more from the 2017 team that blew up....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/01/14 11:42 PM
And it's a fact that anyone would leave for the chance to play for the Crabs.

Unless... Your dad is a Hawks Coach.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 12:20 AM
Lots of FCA 2019 trying out for the Crabs, not one made the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 01:00 AM
Some observations while looking at the Crabs rosters. Their younger teams are LOADED with holdbacks from private schools. Many of these kids are lucky and playing at the same level they did last year. Nothing like getting a "groundhog day" in lacrosse..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lots of FCA 2019 trying out for the Crabs, not one made the team.

Interesting observation. Quite a few 2019 Crabs from last year 's team did not make the team this year either. Look at the number of boys that were on the 2018 Crab 's team last year that will be on the 2019 team this year. I would be furious if my son was cut and replaced by a boy that was reclassifying (in the same program). The whole thing is a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 11:53 AM
Looks like Madlax lost their best 2020 mid to the crabs

Long drive from NoVa to BL for practice
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 12:25 PM
Lots of FCA 2019 trying out for the Crabs, not one made the team. [/quote]
Interesting observation. Quite a few 2019 Crabs from last year 's team did not make the team this year either. Look at the number of boys that were on the 2018 Crab 's team last year that will be on the 2019 team this year. I would be furious if my son was cut and replaced by a boy that was reclassifying (in the same program). The whole thing is a joke. [/

Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up. The joke is that you haters think your chatter will change anything. MUCH more respect for the kids and parents of those kids who put it out there, try-out and don't make the team, than any respect for bash-ers who commentate from the comfort of the sideline. Or the comfort of a forum. True, several returning players did not make the 2019 Crabs squad. But if you asked them all they would say to a man or woman that their kids are better players for having gone through the experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 12:50 PM
He is a good kid from a good family. The 2020 team is a weaker team right now. I can respect a family that does whats best for there kid. Good luck I hope he plays well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like Madlax lost their best 2020 mid to the crabs

Long drive from NoVa to BL for practice


Not a new phenomenon. People from the DC area have been playing for the Crabs for years. Recently, some MD kids have been travelling to DC to play for VLC. Expect the trend to continue. Kids are going to go to clubs they think will best improve them/help with recruiting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 01:40 PM
"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He is a good kid from a good family. The 2020 team is a weaker team right now. I can respect a family that does whats best for there kid. Good luck I hope he plays well.


2020 team is going to struggle this year.
Lost the best middie and defense is mostly last year's U11. Even one of their key U11 defenders seems to have taken a season off
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.


7 players on 2019 Crabs were on a Crabs U15 Roster this past Summer. Not sure if any of these players compete at the highest level at their own age. 91 will still beat them by 5+ goals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.


7 players on 2019 Crabs were on a Crabs U15 Roster this past Summer. Not sure if any of these players compete at the highest level at their own age. 91 will still beat them by 5+ goals.


The Baltimore kids all know one another. Next spring, when 2019 Crabs plays 2019 Breakers/Rock/Green Turtle/MLC... and wins, the kids from the opposing teams will immediately say to their friends on Crabs, "you beat us with a bunch of 15 year olds". It diminishes the experience for both sides.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.


7 players on 2019 Crabs were on a Crabs U15 Roster this past Summer. Not sure if any of these players compete at the highest level at their own age. 91 will still beat them by 5+ goals.


They were all actually playing up... now they are playing with the right age group. They are THAT good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 06:08 PM
Dude, Crabs could beat that cast of characters with the short bus team...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"""""Everybody who is not on the Crabs teams has an ax to grind it seems. If its not the hold backs, its an unfair try-out process. If not that, its favoritism of some other heinous nature.....give it up.""""""""""

Hardly .. While I agree if your son doesnt make it there is a lot of blaming something. The Crabs were good teams without all these holdbacks. This whole holdback issue is an open sore on all of youth lacrosse and youth sports in general. It is a disgusting part of youth lacrosse that is now taking a hold on all club lacrosse in Balt and MD for this issue. Letting these holdback parents get their kids an advantage along with certain teams realizing that they will get the majority of holdbacks. Crabs have been one of the driving forces behind it this year along with other teams that get the majority of holdbacks.


7 players on 2019 Crabs were on a Crabs U15 Roster this past Summer. Not sure if any of these players compete at the highest level at their own age. 91 will still beat them by 5+ goals.


They were all actually playing up... now they are playing with the right age group. They are THAT good.


I hope you're joking. They were playing "on age" this past Summer. They were not playing up and are actually playing down in an effort to dominate smaller, younger players...which they will, by the way. Once high school starts, it will all catch up with them and average "on age" players will go back to being the average players they are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 09:56 PM
Last year those kids played on a U15 team which was composed of 2018 and 2019 players. So couldn't that mean that the kids who are now on the 2019 were in 7th grade last year and now are in 8th grade this year????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dude, Crabs could beat that cast of characters with the short bus team...


...because most of the boys are 16 years old.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last year those kids played on a U15 team which was composed of 2018 and 2019 players. So couldn't that mean that the kids who are now on the 2019 were in 7th grade last year and now are in 8th grade this year????


Believe whatever you want. The crabs will do anything to win (or at least try),
they have players hold back, actively recruit from other programs and
Fix their own tournaments to give them any kind of advantage. There
was a time that the best players went to crabs, not any more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 11:19 PM
The '16s are good, the '17s fall off quickly. A majority of the
kids played JV last year and were marginally successful
in HS. A bunch of middies ran 3rd line on their respective JV teams. They do
have a sold defense. Couple good attackman, need a lefty that can move. The 18s have a few "double holdbacks". Yes, I said double.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/02/14 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The crabs will do anything to win (or at least try), they have players hold back, actively recruit from other programs and Fix their own tournaments to give them any kind of advantage. There was a time that the best players went to crabs, not any more.


Paranoid, much?

Please provide proof that they recruit other players. Haters gonna hate, I guess.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last year those kids played on a U15 team which was composed of 2018 and 2019 players. So couldn't that mean that the kids who are now on the 2019 were in 7th grade last year and now are in 8th grade this year????


Not one of those kids on U15Aa last year was a 2019 last year. Now they are. Couple have '99 or early '00 birthdays. It's fine by the way. It will all work out in the end. No excuses for losing a single game from this point on though.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 12:32 AM
This board is getting absolutely nuts ..
Wish some of you had the balls to post your names.
You are talking about kids ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 10:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This board is getting absolutely nuts ..
Wish some of you had the balls to post your names.
You are talking about kids ...


Your point? This is a youth lacrosse forum.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 04:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last year those kids played on a U15 team which was composed of 2018 and 2019 players. So couldn't that mean that the kids who are now on the 2019 were in 7th grade last year and now are in 8th grade this year????


Not one of those kids on U15Aa last year was a 2019 last year. Now they are. Couple have '99 or early '00 birthdays. It's fine by the way. It will all work out in the end. No excuses for losing a single game from this point on though.

This makes sense. For the 2014/15 academic year:

U15AA - Is players who have already reclassified from 2018->2019 and are U15's (not U14 eligible is a way to think of it)
U15A - Is players who have not yet reclassified. 2019s who will become 2020s next year or 2020s who reclassified early and are no longer U13 eligible (these rosters are really U14 teams)

The reason for AA/A is psychology only. The AA teams are really A and the A teams are really B, but nobody wants to go from A to B

The typical progression is U13 as a 7th grader, U15A your 1st 8th grade year and U15AA your reclassified, or 2nd 8th grade year.

If you are from Balt/DC and are headed to MIAA/IAC I am sure this makes sense to you. If not it sounds crazy I know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 04:35 PM
OR

Your son has a late spring/summer birthday so you started him a year later, which puts him at U15A in 7th grade and U15AA in 8th grade


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OR

Your son has a late spring/summer birthday so you started him a year later, which puts him at U15A in 7th grade and U15AA in 8th grade

This is more commonly known as Red Shirting in Kindergarten - just an earlier form of reclassifying. The school cut off is what it is.

According to ALL US School districts the regular grades for 2014/15 academic year spring/summer births:
Spring/Summer 2000 = 9th grade (2018)
Spring/Summer 2001 = 8th grade (2019)
Spring/Summer 2002 = 7th grade (2020)

Cutoffs vary by distict so Oct-Dec birthdays may be in different grad years but Spring/Summer birth months are black and white.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 05:56 PM
"""""""""Your son has a late spring/summer birthday so you started him a year later, which puts him at U15A in 7th grade and U15AA in 8th grade"""""""""

Thats called holding your child back in laymans terms. What has become the norm in the MIAA world but unfortunately has filtered down to youth clubs in MD.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 06:39 PM
awesome - LI dads are so obsessed with baltimore lax that they are now accusing parents of holding their sons back in kindergarten to get an athletic advantage?


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"""""""""Your son has a late spring/summer birthday so you started him a year later, which puts him at U15A in 7th grade and U15AA in 8th grade"""""""""

Thats called holding your child back in laymans terms. What has become the norm in the MIAA world but unfortunately has filtered down to youth clubs in MD.


There are a lot of crazy parents that hold their kids back purely for lacrosse, but don't put all of MD/DC in that basket. Most of the kids play age/grade appropriate. Don't let the few abusers diminish the talent in the mid-atlantic. Those of us, whose kids play in the appropriate grade, don't condone the behavior but we do have to live with it. Let the crazies say what they want but holding a child back is almost always for a sports advantage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 06:59 PM
holding back in kindergarten is one thing, but many repeat 9th grade...that is a joke. It is embarrassing to the sport. It is a shame the kids can't be successful without trying to gain an advantage. I know too many that held back for lacrosse, sadly many of them have little or no chance to play at the college level anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 09:12 PM
I don't know about you but we made sure to time our son's birth so he would be old for his grade, then he started preschool a year late, took a year of pre-K, and repeated 8th grade. He will be eligible for SS after his PG year.

(just kidding, but it wouldn't surprise me if some people did).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 09:52 PM
Good one, but I am curious as to how many 2x holdbacks there really are. Most HS athletic associations (including MIAA I believe) do not let you play sports if you turn 19 before the start of the school year.

This implies 2x holdbacks are not eligible to play sports their senior year.

I know that a few (many) years back a NYC HS football team forfeited every game and was vacated of a title because they rostered a too old player (the coaches didn't know was the lame excuse)

In the spirit of amateurism I think the NCAA should have a similar rule.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 11:27 PM
Crabs 2019 have only 12 returning players. How do the 10 kids that were cut feel about reclassers in a critical year? After most tryouts have occurred?

Do these cut kids reclass and come back next year as 2020? Where does it stop?
Crabs and buddies at BL are at the heart of the reclass issue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 11:38 PM
to be bumped next year by reclasser. Then what, VLC??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/03/14 11:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good one, but I am curious as to how many 2x holdbacks there really are. Most HS athletic associations (including MIAA I believe) do not let you play sports if you turn 19 before the start of the school year.

This implies 2x holdbacks are not eligible to play sports their senior year.

I know that a few (many) years back a NYC HS football team forfeited every game and was vacated of a title because they rostered a too old player (the coaches didn't know was the lame excuse)

In the spirit of amateurism I think the NCAA should have a similar rule.


BYU requires their men to go on 2 year missions
Casey Carroll (Duke defender) took time off to join the army

How does your age thing work?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 12:56 AM
I appreciate and respect the sacrifices of Casey Carroll and the work of BYU missionaries.

However, an age rule in the NCAA would do more good than harm. NCAA should be U23 or U24 at most - U24 would actually allow two years of holdback in total but no more.

Should a 29 year old take away an NCAA roster spot from an 18 year old?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 12:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
to be bumped next year by reclasser. Then what, VLC??


Not likely. Vlc's youth program is struggling big time. Furthermore, vlc already has their share of holdbacks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 01:27 AM
All the big Baltimore MIAA schools, BL, Gilman, St Paul, McDonogh have holdbacks in every grade. And not just a few but many. Not sure the extent Loyola and Calvert Hall as they dont have a lower school to put out 10-25 holdbacks at each school in pre-first grade year after year. While they can do what they want at their schools and against each other, their influence has put a black mark on youth lacrosse in Maryland. The parents at these schools know just what they are doing along with willing coaching staffs. Many of the coaches and assistants are involved in youth clubs in Baltimore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 02:55 AM
Dear 2019 express how many hold backs are on your team this year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 08:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I appreciate and respect the sacrifices of Casey Carroll and the work of BYU missionaries.

However, an age rule in the NCAA would do more good than harm. NCAA should be U23 or U24 at most - U24 would actually allow two years of holdback in total but no more.

Should a 29 year old take away an NCAA roster spot from an 18 year old?


A pretty ridiculous statement, BYU doesn't require the mission for non Mormon's. Why should a person who feel's the calling to serve his church or his country be denied the opportunity to play a sport upon returning from their duties, plus as the Islanders point out over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over that there are no 18 year old freshman coming out of the great state of Maryland. Eventually the time frame will look like this
At age 5, hold child out of kindergarten
At age 6, start kindergarten
At age 7, repeat kindergarten
At age 16, repeat 8th grade
At age 17, start freshman year
At age 20, start senior year
At age 21, do a pg year
At age 22, join the Navy
At age 26, pretend to be a Mormon, go on a mission
At age 28, do another Navy gig
At age 32, what the heck, take another mission
At age 34, start college with a clear physical advantage
At age 35, red shirt a year
At age 38, eligibility is up, you're out on your own now
At age 39, start your own club program, sit back and listen to mindless babble from the Islanders about how unfair Maryland Athletics are
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 10:52 AM
I can confirm that all of Madlax 2019 Orange team was in the 1st grade 8 years ago today.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can confirm that all of Madlax 2019 Orange team was in the 1st grade 8 years ago today.


Are you implying they are all holdbacks. 8 years ago they should of been in kindergarten if they are starting 8th grade today.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can confirm that all of Madlax 2019 Orange team was in the 1st grade 8 years ago today.


Are you implying they are all holdbacks. 8 years ago they should of been in kindergarten if they are starting 8th grade today.


They can't be holdback since most of them were on the U13 Orange team over the summer.
Very easy to verify since the summer rosters are still on the website
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2019 have only 12 returning players. How do the 10 kids that were cut feel about reclassers in a critical year? After most tryouts have occurred?

Do these cut kids reclass and come back next year as 2020? Where does it stop?
Crabs and buddies at BL are at the heart of the reclass issue.


This isn't a BL issue. In fact, one of the reclasses on the 2019 team was reclassed because he transferred from BL to McDonogh. McDonogh holds more kids back than BL does.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 02:09 PM
Ok 7 years ago today they where all in 1st grade. I am not the smartest guy around. Every kid on the team started school the same year. I can not confirm there ages. LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 03:16 PM
Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?


McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 05:03 PM
You are full of it... They Encourage it constantly. I go to one of the MIAA private schools and and if what you say is true, very few boys and girls would be held back. It is an epidemic at these schools. And MOST not ALL have athletics on their mind. These holdbacks might not be head of class but most would be right there with the majority of children. Most want their child to be ahead not equal. Of course ask most of them and they give the same reason you did.

And most here are responding to youth lacrosse for children under 15 and playing down due to holdbacks. It is fine with you holding your child back for your reasons. But that doesnt give you a select advantage over all the other CHILDREN in youth athletics outside of school. School teams are what they are but your child shouldn't get an advantage over the rest of children in the area. No wonder some people who don't go to private schools have a disdain for us. You want you child to have privileges that the rest don't have.... Maybe if you didn't want a special advantage for your child everyone else would stay out of your damn business.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 07:16 PM
So why is the holdback more prevent in Maryland than long island? Or is that just a misconception?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 07:56 PM
seems like long islanders are too cheap to pay for their kids to go to private school where they could be held back

heck they are complaining about $3500 for Igloo which won all but one game it played in the 2013 - 2014 season

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 09:08 PM
LI dads are insane.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?


McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....


BL encourages it, Crabs encourage it.

It is my business when your 16 yo is playing my 13 yo in an 8th grade tournament. By the way, I am videotaping and plan to take you, tournament directors and USlacrosse to court if Jr gets injured. That's my way of evening it out...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 10:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So why is the holdback more prevent in Maryland than long island? Or is that just a misconception?


Because 10 players just got cut from Crabs 2019 in favor of holdbacks They now have to reclass to compete.

Crabs make NPYLL go grade based so they can stay competitive with holdbacks. They were dying in age based, 2019 particularly.

BL likes $$ and exposure from lacrosse.

USlacrosse is impotent, likely because 1/2 its Baltimore based staff were holdbacks too.

Get it now?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/04/14 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?


McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....


BL encourages it, Crabs encourage it.

It is my business when your 16 yo is playing my 13 yo in an 8th grade tournament. By the way, I am videotaping and plan to take you, tournament directors and USlacrosse to court if Jr gets injured. That's my way of evening it out...


Sue you, sue everybody ! That's the answer
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 02:13 AM
"So why is the holdback more prevent in Maryland than long island? Or is that just a misconception?"

The holdbacks are only a private school issue that has gotten out of hand here in Maryland. It is the norm in all MIAA schools along with so called second tier private schools. Public schools in Maryland do not have the holdback issue. Most kids playing lacrosse are not held back in Maryland. That is why it is such an issue. Somehow a large select group of parents think it is fine for their child to play down while the rest dont get this advantage. My understanding is that Long Island lacrosse is dominated by public schools which like most public schools, dont have the holdback issues. Maybe someone can enlighten us on this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 02:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
seems like long islanders are too cheap to pay for their kids to go to private school where they could be held back

heck they are complaining about $3500 for Igloo which won all but one game it played in the 2013 - 2014 season

Who did they lose to? Sons?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 11:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
seems like long islanders are too cheap to pay for their kids to go to private school where they could be held back

heck they are complaining about $3500 for Igloo which won all but one game it played in the 2013 - 2014 season

Who did they lose to? Sons?


Some random team in a preseason tournament in March
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 11:51 AM
Rising sons. Good program. Igloo beat them when they played them again 2 or 3 times during summer tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?


McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....


BL encourages it, Crabs encourage it.

It is my business when your 16 yo is playing my 13 yo in an 8th grade tournament. By the way, I am videotaping and plan to take you, tournament directors and USlacrosse to court if Jr gets injured. That's my way of evening it out...


BL does not encourage it. In fact, parents in my son's class had to threaten to pull their son and send him to St. Pauls to get BL to allow him to repeat.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 02:04 PM
BL absolutely encourages it. There are a ton of reclassed kids at that school. They just got a kid from McDonogh who reclassed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 02:27 PM
My 13 year old 8th grader brought up the hold back/reclassify issue last night. He goes to a MIAA school and plays lacrosse. As club tryouts in Baltimore end, the issue is being widely discussed at school. I asked him for his thoughts and what his friends think:
If they could, they would play up, not down. It would be an honor to be able to play up and their friends that play up are considered special players. The assumption is that playing up makes you better, playing down makes you worse. If you have to play down, you are likely over your head and playing with the wrong organization. There are plenty of good teams to play for. While there are no hold backs at their school or on their team (yet), they said that those kids are likely treated differently (not good differently). If the kid is staying back for academic reasons, he likely gets cut a great deal of slack. If for a sport (it is not just lacrosse) and it is obvious, the kid is likely given no slack at all. He did say that the grade above his -2018- has an abundance of good lacrosse players and that is likely driving the decision to repeat. Lastly, with regard to recruiting, they all think that the college coaches will eventually see through this. In most cases, a 15 year old should be able to beat a 13/14 year old at a sport. In a few years, when the kids are all the same size, age will no longer matter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My 13 year old 8th grader brought up the hold back/reclassify issue last night. He goes to a MIAA school and plays lacrosse. As club tryouts in Baltimore end, the issue is being widely discussed at school. I asked him for his thoughts and what his friends think:
If they could, they would play up, not down. It would be an honor to be able to play up and their friends that play up are considered special players. The assumption is that playing up makes you better, playing down makes you worse. If you have to play down, you are likely over your head and playing with the wrong organization. There are plenty of good teams to play for. While there are no hold backs at their school or on their team (yet), they said that those kids are likely treated differently (not good differently). If the kid is staying back for academic reasons, he likely gets cut a great deal of slack. If for a sport (it is not just lacrosse) and it is obvious, the kid is likely given no slack at all. He did say that the grade above his -2018- has an abundance of good lacrosse players and that is likely driving the decision to repeat. Lastly, with regard to recruiting, they all think that the college coaches will eventually see through this. In most cases, a 15 year old should be able to beat a 13/14 year old at a sport. In a few years, when the kids are all the same size, age will no longer matter.


My son is in 8th grade at BL and there are not holdbacks. There are a couple of 14 year olds but that is due to prefirst.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 03:04 PM
Very nice perspective from your 13 year old - unfortunately the men tasked with recruiting players for their universities are not as enlightened as your boy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 03:50 PM
It probably will even out later because ultimately the cream will rise to the top!

However, what about the kid that was a U13 AA player that does not make the U15 AA team because of the holdbacks that repeat U15 and the influx of holdbacks from other / lesser clubs that now play for that elite team since they could not make it as a true 8th grader?

What about the kid that makes an elite U15 AA team, but is relegated to a minor role instead of a prominant role because of the holdbacks in front of him?

Should that kid be held back so he can be the stud of that U15AA team next year?

When I was a kid, the really good players played up - not down.

Sounds like you want something for your son that is not naturally in the works.

I would never want my son to repeat for athletic reasons, nor would he.

Hollow victories watching a team loaded with 15 year olds dominate a team with 14 year olds!

Yes, I am old! But played sports and still do!

Let the kids sink or swim on their own.

My thoughts on the matter!

Good Day!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Families make the decision to repeat or start late. Some people mature later and some extra time helps. My son is a late bloomer and i wanted to give him some time to mature. Do i put him at a disadvantage because your kid grows some peach fuzz earlier?


McDonogh and Boys Latin DO NOT encourage it.

Most people that criticize this wish they had done the same...
practice harder, lift weights train.
Stop making excuses and make decisions that are best for your child.
You most likely never played a sport and look old compared to others your age.

It will all even out later.

And mind your own damn business....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So why is the holdback more prevent in Maryland than long island? Or is that just a misconception?


Because 10 players just got cut from Crabs 2019 in favor of holdbacks They now have to reclass to compete.

Crabs make NPYLL go grade based so they can stay competitive with holdbacks. They were dying in age based, 2019 particularly.

BL likes $$ and exposure from lacrosse.

USlacrosse is impotent, likely because 1/2 its Baltimore based staff were holdbacks too.

Get it now?


Really? Crabs was dying in age based? Crabs U15AA and U13AA won the NPYLL championship this past spring. Where exactly were they dying?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My 13 year old 8th grader brought up the hold back/reclassify issue last night. He goes to a MIAA school and plays lacrosse. As club tryouts in Baltimore end, the issue is being widely discussed at school. I asked him for his thoughts and what his friends think:
If they could, they would play up, not down. It would be an honor to be able to play up and their friends that play up are considered special players. The assumption is that playing up makes you better, playing down makes you worse. If you have to play down, you are likely over your head and playing with the wrong organization. There are plenty of good teams to play for. While there are no hold backs at their school or on their team (yet), they said that those kids are likely treated differently (not good differently). If the kid is staying back for academic reasons, he likely gets cut a great deal of slack. If for a sport (it is not just lacrosse) and it is obvious, the kid is likely given no slack at all. He did say that the grade above his -2018- has an abundance of good lacrosse players and that is likely driving the decision to repeat. Lastly, with regard to recruiting, they all think that the college coaches will eventually see through this. In most cases, a 15 year old should be able to beat a 13/14 year old at a sport. In a few years, when the kids are all the same size, age will no longer matter.


My son is in 8th grade at BL and there are not holdbacks. There are a couple of 14 year olds but that is due to prefirst.


Yes there are. Many of us could, but won't or shouldn't, name names.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 04:10 PM
You guys are correct it will even out when they get to high school. And just because they verbel a couple kids in 8th and 9th grade your sons will have there shot to get looked at. They are not signing these kids they are giving them Verbels. That means they have a spot on the team thats it. And these colleges are all still taking walk ons. So there are spots on the teams for the players who are correct age. The money is not there you should all know that. They spread what 12 full rides between 60 or so players. Relax if he is good he will have a spot. If he does not get a spot on a Roster he is not good enough no matter how old the kids on his 2018 team where.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/05/14 05:43 PM
"BL does not encourage it. In fact, parents in my son's class had to threaten to pull their son and send him to St. Pauls to get BL to allow him to repeat"

Boys Latin has a huge amount of boys that were either prefirst,heldback,holdback or reclassified..whatever you want to call it...All means the same thing...They are older than the all the rest of grade except boys like them.

This also says alot about parents that go to BL and the rest of the MIAA schools...If they didnt let him repeat he had another MIAA school ready to let their child repeat...The reason I say that is BL wanted him to continue,and BL loves their holdbacks as it has a huge amount of kids heldback... wow!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/07/14 04:09 PM

did it ever dawn on anyone that maybe we just love our kids and want to keep them around for an extra year. You only get a certain amount of time with them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/07/14 05:31 PM
Stupid statement..Who doesn't love their kid...Whats that got to do with playing down...Nobody has a problem with holding your child back for right reasons ..but you shouldn't get a special benefit of playing down in youth athletics .. Of course you will enjoy the benefit on your school teams and HS teams...but you shouldn't be entitled to a special privilege from NINE to Fourteen years old since you held you kid back for whatever reason......And if you love them that much hold them back a few years????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/07/14 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

did it ever dawn on anyone that maybe we just love our kids and want to keep them around for an extra year. You only get a certain amount of time with them


So true. We love our son dearly. It was so difficult to see him off to 9th grade. The 17 years we've had with him have gone by so fast. It was so painful to see those middle school years go away, but as many of you know there are only so many places you can go to keep repeating grades.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/08/14 02:30 AM
You guys are the biggest whiners ever.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/08/14 10:31 AM
Yea, Darn whiners. I still think Danny Almonte from the Bronx playing in Little League Championship series was robbed in 2001, just cause he was too old to play,man he was good against those younger guys, If it had only been lacrosse no problem!! same whiners who complained about Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong using enhancements to get ahead..Getting an advantage in sports and life is what it is all about!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/08/14 11:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stupid statement..Who doesn't love their kid...Whats that got to do with playing down...Nobody has a problem with holding your child back for right reasons ..but you shouldn't get a special benefit of playing down in youth athletics .. Of course you will enjoy the benefit on your school teams and HS teams...but you shouldn't be entitled to a special privilege from NINE to Fourteen years old since you held you kid back for whatever reason......And if you love them that much hold them back a few years????
it was a joke, please be careful getting off of your high horse, don't fall
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 12:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stupid statement..Who doesn't love their kid...Whats that got to do with playing down...Nobody has a problem with holding your child back for right reasons ..but you shouldn't get a special benefit of playing down in youth athletics .. Of course you will enjoy the benefit on your school teams and HS teams...but you shouldn't be entitled to a special privilege from NINE to Fourteen years old since you held you kid back for whatever reason......And if you love them that much hold them back a few years????
it was a joke, please be careful getting off of your high horse, don't fall


I always ask the following question, but get few replies. Here goes... It's actually a series of questions.
When your 15 yo is competing against kids 1 to 2 years younger, do you actually cheer him on against the little kids?
When one the of younger players gets the best of him, do you tell him has to work harder? When he has a game where he scores 3 goals, against the younger boys, do you tell him great job? Is it possible you could be filled with pride when he has success against the younger players? When you.... I think you get it. Oh by the way, that feeling in your stomach isn't from the ham sandwich at lunch, ITS SHAME.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 01:43 AM
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 02:15 AM
I have met many parents of children in sports that have been held back. Not one parent has ever said to me that it is unfair to younger children,,NOT ONE! All have a similar song and dance of ..their child needed more time, most of the coaches say play with your grade, it will even out later, etc..Not one has questioned if it right or wrong to play against younger kids..Of course that is what their children do every day in school! I know what I am talking about as I go to a MIAA school.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 04:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have met many parents of children in sports that have been held back. Not one parent has ever said to me that it is unfair to younger children,,NOT ONE! All have a similar song and dance of ..their child needed more time, most of the coaches say play with your grade, it will even out later, etc..Not one has questioned if it right or wrong to play against younger kids..Of course that is what their children do every day in school! I know what I am talking about as I go to a MIAA school.
Happy 21st birthday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 10:22 AM
Of course it is a non topic to people like you. But the majority of people who are explained this recent YOUTH sports change to grade based teams, it isnt. Most people think it is an unsavory part of youth sports allowing a select group to get an advantage. And then when a Club gets the majority of these select groups of players , the majority of people find it even more disgusting.
And it isnt just LI parents that feel this way. Many in MD do also. Middle school teams and HS teams are where you can use this advantage but in YOUTH sports , IT IS JUST PLAIN WRONG.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 12:30 PM
Well, using the ALL CAPS really convinced me. Maybe you could throw in a few !!!!!!! as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


I am a LI dad and will definitely reclass if I think it will help give him an advantage in recruiting. Anyone taking the "high road" here either can't send their kids to private or is angry bc they are on the young end. If Harvard called and said reclass your kid and he has a spot everyone would do it in a second.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it is a non topic to people like you. But the majority of people who are explained this recent YOUTH sports change to grade based teams, it isnt. Most people think it is an unsavory part of youth sports allowing a select group to get an advantage. And then when a Club gets the majority of these select groups of players , the majority of people find it even more disgusting.
And it isnt just LI parents that feel this way. Many in MD do also. Middle school teams and HS teams are where you can use this advantage but in YOUTH sports , IT IS JUST PLAIN WRONG.
What is the difference between middle school sports and youth sports, wouldn't they be the same thing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 08:32 PM
Many Middle schools have teams here in MD that play other middle school teams. Mainly in MIAA schools. They dont play in the youth leagues and club leagues. Just against school teams during spring. So if BL middle school team plays St pauls middle school team the hold backs cancel each other out..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 08:36 PM
""""Well, using the ALL CAPS really convinced me. Maybe you could throw in a few !!!!!!! as well."""""

I didnt know I could convince a grade based apologist like you!
What is next Danny Almonte!!!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...


So in 9th grade he was able to compete with 12th graders
But in 8th grade he couldn't handle hold-back 8th graders? confused

Great story
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/09/14 11:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...


So in 9th grade he was able to compete with 12th graders
But in 8th grade he couldn't handle hold-back 8th graders? confused

Great story



Careful. Long Island Dads are the TOUGHEST MEN ON THE INTERNET!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 12:12 AM
Zing, you got him!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 01:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...



When's the last time anybody ever said, "sonny boy"? Did you write jokes for Bob Hope?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


It is not just the LI parents. I am the parent of a 13 year old, 8th grader in Maryland and I am an opponent of holding a child back as well. If for academic reasons, you have my sympathies. If purely for sports, what lesson(s) are you teaching your child? You could not compete with your peers so we "fixed" things for you? The parents are feeding the entitlement syndrome that is so rampant in today's youth. Leave them where they belong and let them figure it out on their own; like your parents did for you and my parents did for me. The argument that they will play against older kids once in high school is totally invalid. The coaches decide if a 9th grader can compete with the upperclassmen. In this case, the parents are making the decision to put a 15 year old on the field with a 13 year old. The kids and parents in Baltimore all know each other. There is an inescapable stigma that a child will carry with him for repeating for sports only. I am embarrassed for the parents that do this and I am sure others are as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 11:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...


So in 9th grade he was able to compete with 12th graders
But in 8th grade he couldn't handle hold-back 8th graders? confused

Great story


Dumb [lacrosse], did you hear me complain? Dont get upset because your kid can't play with the big boys. Sounds like I hit a nerve!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


Typical response from a wussy Dad who's son can't compete against kids his own age.
Sounds like you and your son are the one's that need to grow a pair, push him to play up not down. What's a matter the big boys scare sonny boy? My son plays up. Played Varsity as a rising 9th grader. He competed well against boys 3 and 4 years older. Try again loser...


So in 9th grade he was able to compete with 12th graders
But in 8th grade he couldn't handle hold-back 8th graders? confused

Great story



Careful. Long Island Dads are the TOUGHEST MEN ON THE INTERNET!


Not as tough as your kid who has to play down a year or two against little boys to compete in a sport! Because it takes a lot of guts to do that! You talk about toughness, how does he handle it???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


It is not just the LI parents. I am the parent of a 13 year old, 8th grader in Maryland and I am an opponent of holding a child back as well. If for academic reasons, you have my sympathies. If purely for sports, what lesson(s) are you teaching your child? You could not compete with your peers so we "fixed" things for you? The parents are feeding the entitlement syndrome that is so rampant in today's youth. Leave them where they belong and let them figure it out on their own; like your parents did for you and my parents did for me. The argument that they will play against older kids once in high school is totally invalid. The coaches decide if a 9th grader can compete with the upperclassmen. In this case, the parents are making the decision to put a 15 year old on the field with a 13 year old. The kids and parents in Baltimore all know each other. There is an inescapable stigma that a child will carry with him for repeating for sports only. I am embarrassed for the parents that do this and I am sure others are as well.


Do you people understand the concept of red shirting in college sports? Should these kids be embarrassed for themselves also?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 12:00 PM
They are adults and on a equal playing field at that time.

The coach is making that decision, not a parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


It is not just the LI parents. I am the parent of a 13 year old, 8th grader in Maryland and I am an opponent of holding a child back as well. If for academic reasons, you have my sympathies. If purely for sports, what lesson(s) are you teaching your child? You could not compete with your peers so we "fixed" things for you? The parents are feeding the entitlement syndrome that is so rampant in today's youth. Leave them where they belong and let them figure it out on their own; like your parents did for you and my parents did for me. The argument that they will play against older kids once in high school is totally invalid. The coaches decide if a 9th grader can compete with the upperclassmen. In this case, the parents are making the decision to put a 15 year old on the field with a 13 year old. The kids and parents in Baltimore all know each other. There is an inescapable stigma that a child will carry with him for repeating for sports only. I am embarrassed for the parents that do this and I am sure others are as well.


Do you people understand the concept of red shirting in college sports? Should these kids be embarrassed for themselves also?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 02:35 PM
Many Marland parents whose children arent heldback, prefirst, reclassified, etc are against this whole concept at youthlevel U15 and under. There are children playing down to U9 that should be in U11 due to being held back. Incredible! But one of the biggest issues for these parents of better lacrosse players is..that they dont want to make to many waves as the holdbacks go to private schools. Most parents know that the best lacrosse in MD is in the MIAA private schools at HS. Most MIAA coaches and assistants are involved with Clubs in one way or another.So many keep their mouths shut hoping for a shot at MIAA school one day or playing for a MIAA coach or assistant in Club one day.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only people who I feel sorry for are the LI Dads who are obsessed over this non-topic.

What are you going to do in HS? Protest the game because the other team had some kids older than yours?

Grow a pair. You're telling your son that whenever he loses, it's because someone robbed him.


It is not just the LI parents. I am the parent of a 13 year old, 8th grader in Maryland and I am an opponent of holding a child back as well. If for academic reasons, you have my sympathies. If purely for sports, what lesson(s) are you teaching your child? You could not compete with your peers so we "fixed" things for you? The parents are feeding the entitlement syndrome that is so rampant in today's youth. Leave them where they belong and let them figure it out on their own; like your parents did for you and my parents did for me. The argument that they will play against older kids once in high school is totally invalid. The coaches decide if a 9th grader can compete with the upperclassmen. In this case, the parents are making the decision to put a 15 year old on the field with a 13 year old. The kids and parents in Baltimore all know each other. There is an inescapable stigma that a child will carry with him for repeating for sports only. I am embarrassed for the parents that do this and I am sure others are as well.


Do you people understand the concept of red shirting in college sports? Should these kids be embarrassed for themselves also?


Is it possible you can't understand the difference between College men redshirting, and a 15 year old physically mature young man playing down against 13 year old boys? That haven't even started puberty? You really need that explained to you? Of course you don't, that's the very reason why you held him back. Because he can't compete on age, and you know it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 05:46 PM
Keep crying, LI. We'll keep beating your teams and taking scholarships away from STRONG ISLAND.

LOL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep crying, LI. We'll keep beating your teams and taking scholarships away from STRONG ISLAND.

LOL.


Hate to bore you with the facts, but the number of MD recruits is on the decline. Look it up. LOL. You're merely taking scholarships away from the on age kids in your area. Sorry, try again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/10/14 10:51 PM
The MD kids are burnt out period. College coaches are not looking at MD players. The ones that play lax only are done
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/11/14 04:48 PM
This statement is just nuts. If 20 years ago 90% of the kids playing in college came from three states. And now the sport has spread to both coasts and Texas. Of course the % of kids from the classic hot beds will go down. But I am 100% sure if there is a kid from Maryland who is 6'3 200 pounds and runs a 4.4 40 yard dash, He will be picked over any kid from a none hot bed state with the same size/stats.This is a good thing not a bad thing because as the sport spreads the presure for more D1 schools to pick up the sport will grow. Which egual more spots for more kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/11/14 11:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This statement is just nuts. If 20 years ago 90% of the kids playing in college came from three states. And now the sport has spread to both coasts and Texas. Of course the % of kids from the classic hot beds will go down. But I am 100% sure if there is a kid from Maryland who is 6'3 200 pounds and runs a 4.4 40 yard dash, He will be picked over any kid from a none hot bed state with the same size/stats.This is a good thing not a bad thing because as the sport spreads the presure for more D1 schools to pick up the sport will grow. Which egual more spots for more kids.


Sorry I don't know one 9th or 10th grader that is 6'3 200lbs and runs a 4.4 40. That would be the stats of potential NFL safety at the NFL combine.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/12/14 01:18 AM
Or a 2 year hold back
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/12/14 10:30 AM
The point is if they are the same size and ones from a hot bed state and the other kid is from some mid west or none hot bed state the hot bed state kid will be getting the spot on the D1 team. The only time they are taking the none hot bed state kid is when he is a beast with his size or speed or both. It works the same way with football look how many D1 football teams have kids from FL. Kids from FL who are ranked 35th at a postion for there state are getting full rides somewhere else in the country. Thats how its working right now in lacrosse with the 3 or 4 hot bed states.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 12:52 PM
Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.


Yeah. That's obvious from their stellar 2014 Summer, right? Ha ha. Lose all summer then fix that by creating a team of average on-age players to compete against kids 18 months younger. Sadly, it will work for one year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.


True....however only is they are 1-2 year hold backs and will add to the team winning tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.


Really looking forward to the NPYLL this year to answer these questions. It will be great to see each grade stand on it's own instead of using that old two year system.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 06:12 PM
Whoever used the two year system ..In NPYLL the AA was generally for the best teams..It had a lot of second year players at that age .less skilled teams and any teams with a bunch of first year players at that age played A. Could have easily been U15, U14,U13,U12. etc...Instead Crabs and others decided to go grade base to accommodate the private school holdbacks..Crabs know that they are going to get a bunch of holdbacks if not majority in Balt. Crabs have a good lax reputation especially at Private schools... ....
With the explosion of Club teams thus played perfectly into the Crabs,,They get the holdbacks....thus better teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 06:21 PM
Not sure about that. Crabs are the team to play for in the private schools. Now with grade base teams. Crabs will be getting the majority of holdbacks, reclassified, etc...at U15 down to U11..Of course most of the holdbacks come from the MIAA schools... I dont see any other team in Balt getting as many holdbacks as Crabs now or future...
If you were a politician you couldn't have planned a better way to scre#w the majority of people to consolidate your power...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 06:25 PM
Not about winning, crabs players are getting better ever year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not about winning, crabs players are getting better ever year


Good one. For anyone playing anything other than rec, it is about winning.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not about winning, crabs players are getting better ever year


No they're not. It's actually the opposite.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whoever used the two year system ..In NPYLL the AA was generally for the best teams..It had a lot of second year players at that age .less skilled teams and any teams with a bunch of first year players at that age played A. Could have easily been U15, U14,U13,U12. etc...Instead Crabs and others decided to go grade base to accommodate the private school holdbacks..Crabs know that they are going to get a bunch of holdbacks if not majority in Balt. Crabs have a good lax reputation especially at Private schools... ....
With the explosion of Club teams thus played perfectly into the Crabs,,They get the holdbacks....thus better teams.


For some teams, single A could have been U14, U12, U10, But some teams had more than 1/2 their starters from the older U15AA ,U13AA, U11AA age groups. Breakers didn't even have a U11aa team - guess where those kids played.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bottom line: crabs is and will continue to pull the best kids from other MD area club teams. Best product out there.


Yeah. That's obvious from their stellar 2014 Summer, right? Ha ha. Lose all summer then fix that by creating a team of average on-age players to compete against kids 18 months younger. Sadly, it will work for one year.


If you think the Crabs teams lost all summer long, you are an absolute idiot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 09:40 PM
Parents need to ask themselves, is my kid getting better. Coaches don't watch club tourneys anymore. Take it from a college coach
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 10:27 PM
Not sure about the younger groups..
Crabs will get you noticed and placed early for college.
END OF STORY.......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 11:21 PM
Agreed, no one else in Balt. Can say the same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/13/14 11:34 PM
Top programs overall in MD in order. Development, coaching, placement
Crabs
Hawks
Fca
Breakers
Bethesda
Arden
Looneys
Rough riders

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top programs overall in MD in order. Development, coaching, placement
Crabs
Hawks
Fca
Breakers
Bethesda
Arden
Looneys
Rough riders

If you include Bethesda, you have to include Club Blue, VLC and Madlax.
It varies greatly year to year. FCA's oldest team is 2017.
2015 and 2016 - no idea
2017 - Madlax, Crabs, FCA, Hawks, VLC, Breakers all good
2018 - FCA looks like the best team - Crabs, Breakers, Hawks, Madlax all good
2019 - Crabs looks like the best team. 7 players from 2018 playing 2019 this year so expect them be great. FCA, Hawks, Maxlax, Rock all good
2020 - Looneys and Crabs
2021 - Breakers and Crabs
2022, 2023, 2024... Most teams are still looking for players


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 01:39 AM
Hawks and crabs at 2020. Looneys overrated
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 02:45 AM
No way, looneys #1 in md
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Parents need to ask themselves, is my kid getting better. Coaches don't watch club tourneys anymore. Take it from a college coach


Please expand your statement
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top programs overall in MD in order. Development, coaching, placement
Crabs
Hawks
Fca
Breakers
Bethesda
Arden
Looneys
Rough riders

If you include Bethesda, you have to include Club Blue, VLC and Madlax.
It varies greatly year to year. FCA's oldest team is 2017.
2015 and 2016 - no idea
2017 - Madlax, Crabs, FCA, Hawks, VLC, Breakers all good
2018 - FCA looks like the best team - Crabs, Breakers, Hawks, Madlax all good
2019 - Crabs looks like the best team. 7 players from 2018 playing 2019 this year so expect them be great. FCA, Hawks, Maxlax, Rock all good
2020 - Looneys and Crabs
2021 - Breakers and Crabs
2022, 2023, 2024... Most teams are still looking for players




Bethesda 2021 didn't lose a game last year until the summer and then they only lost to Igloo so you have to put them #1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 02:35 PM
Anyone who is arguing about rankings for kids who will graduate in 2020 needs to have his head examined.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 07:03 PM
Top team in 2022 is Arden
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 10:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top team in 2022 is Arden


I'll believe it when they pull down a NPYLL championship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone who is arguing about rankings for kids who will graduate in 2020 needs to have his head examined.


I think we all realize everyone reading this forum should have their heads examined, but thanks for pointing it out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 11:24 PM
Top Team in 2027 is Club Elmo. They have a couple of commits to Hopkins and a Stud D committed to ND. Crabs, Hawks, Breakers will be playing catch up to this team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/14/14 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Parents need to ask themselves, is my kid getting better. Coaches don't watch club tourneys anymore. Take it from a college coach


I would love to know what this poster means. I agree you need to ask yourself if your kid is getting better. If your kid is on one of the top 15 or so teams in the country, regardless of being on #1 or #15 your son will get seen. If you can't play for the Crabs scoring a goal or two or stopping a goals against them will get you noticed as well. Your player has to be on a team where they get play time, and fit with the culture of the club.

I don't know a single kid who was recruited for D1 from film or a HS game. Every one was seen at a tourney, a few from showcase appearances. If coaches aren't attending club tourneys do the tourney directors hire a bunch of guys and hand them D1 school lax polos and clipboards? Who are these mysterious guys on the sidelines? Paid actors?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 12:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top team in 2022 is Arden
Good team, won't stay at Arden, they will be two or three more places before 8th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 12:45 AM
Memo to Ryan McClernan, Randy Laco and the other NPYLL puppet string pullers -- you are on borrowed time. After first two weekends of witnessing this new "grade based" teams fall league regime, as a parent I am equally outraged and sickened by the sight of materially older and more physically developed kids playing out of an acceptable age range in the elementary and middle school grades. It is obvious that holding back kids has become an epidemic in the Baltimore / DMV area, but to the extent this is now being tolerated and even celebrated by the club owners running youth leagues and tournaments. In near course there will be a smaller sized kid out there just playing a kids' game getting plowed and concussed by another kid 50-70 pounds bigger and not only will it be sad, but that will also be the day you club guys will need a good lawyer. Shame on you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 02:07 AM
Well stated and felt by many Maryland Lax parents and players.
Maryland Youth Club Lacrosse has become the poster child for what is wrong in youth sports.

(Memo to Ryan McClernan, Randy Laco and the other NPYLL puppet string pullers -- you are on borrowed time. After first two weekends of witnessing this new "grade based" teams fall league regime, as a parent I am equally outraged and sickened by the sight of materially older and more physically developed kids playing out of an acceptable age range in the elementary and middle school grades. It is obvious that holding back kids has become an epidemic in the Baltimore / DMV area, but to the extent this is now being tolerated and even celebrated by the club owners running youth leagues and tournaments. In near course there will be a smaller sized kid out there just playing a kids' game getting plowed and concussed by another kid 50-70 pounds bigger and not only will it be sad, but that will also be the day you club guys will need a good lawyer. Shame on you)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 03:05 AM
Get a grip. Even a kid who has reclassed does not outweigh all the other kids by "50-70 lbs".

Sorry your son isn't very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 12:45 PM
Seriously
The Next Level Fall HS league has always been grade based
The Youth teams are scheduled by age/ability

If your team is getting plowed over, its because the team isn't very good - not because of the new structure

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 01:15 PM
""Get a grip. Even a kid who has reclassed does not outweigh all the other kids by "50-70 lbs".
Sorry your son isn't very good.""

While I agree 50-70 is extreme, Letting a select group of 10 year olds play against 9 year olds , 13 year olds play aginst 12 year old, etc.. Maybe you need to get a grip and realize this grade base issue to accommodate a special group of players goes against everything in youth sports...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 01:31 PM
"The Next Level Fall HS league has always been grade based
The Youth teams are scheduled by age/ability"

Who is talking about HS teams??? They are grade base and will continue to be grade base. All Youth Club teams U9,U10,U11, to U15 have gone grade base this upcoming year. It is mainly to accommodate the many children held back in private schools in Maryland. This advantage is not given to everyone just the children who have been held back. This advantage goes aginst the spirit of youth sports . Lacrosse is the only sport in Maryland to allow this. Baseball, Basketball,Soccer are all age base ...yet Lacrosse to give a select few an upper hand goes grade base...And the apologists keep giving us, "get a grip, Seriously, moaners, son isn't very good" while the apologists at the same time play their son down a level to compete...go get in apologists...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No way, looneys #1 in md


That's why one of the 2020 coaches took his son to Breakers?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 02:11 PM
At U11, the 50-70 pound weight differential is legimate. You have 12-year old 5th graders who weigh 120-130 pounds (or more) playing aginst 9-10 year olds who often weigh between 65-80 pounds. I saw it this weekend.

No complaints here as my son's U11 team chose to play up at the top AA level. Speed and skill can be a great equalizer, but the grade-based change has changed the dynamic. I did not feel it was unsafe because of decent refereeing, but a 130 pound kid hitting a 65 pound kid is scary.

The result may be that highly skilled younger players may have to play at the A level. Maybe this is fine, but I am not sure it is good for youth lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously
The Next Level Fall HS league has always been grade based
The Youth teams are scheduled by age/ability

If your team is getting plowed over, its because the team isn't very good - not because of the new structure



This is the first fall season Next Level has done the league for HS or youth. You are spot on that it "has always been grade based"...but that is a bit shy of sensible to write since the first games were played a week ago.

The youth teams are scheduled by age/ability. No, they are not. There are "AA" versus "A" divisions, but it is by grades not by age for all youth teams.

I don't think the poster was making note of his kid or team "getting plowed over" but was noting that there are some pretty wide age spreads on the field which create some safety concerns that a kid would be plowed by another 50-70 pounds larger. That didn't seem like an unfair point to me given we are all seeing this repeat a grade stuff go viral in DMV.

I have two youth players in middle school and in elementary. I would put them as average sized for their age and was astonished to see the relative sizes of kids bigger than them in the same grade bracket. Some kids are big for their age, and some kids are small for their age. I think the point about some bigger kids being 50-70 pounds heavier than the smaller kids in each grade is a decent guess.

The Crabs way seems to be calling everyone not keeping up with them a sissy. Fine. To many of the other 99% of the families with kids in this sport the point is that a youth game should not prejudice a kid who is smaller from being able to play. Youth football deals with this by having weight classes. I don't suggest the same for lacrosse, but we can all see that this grade based system that has just been implemented is a disaster waiting to happen. Bad things happen in a contact sport when you have big 12 year olds out there with smaller 10 year old 5th graders or so on in the other grades. When bad things happen in this league, what are the owners of the league planning to say? What you wrote? (If your [kid /] team is getting plowed over, its because the team isn't very good - not because of the new structure." Really? Well, give that a shot. Some plaintiff's attorney will love that statement in litigation over some kid or kids suffering head trauma.

Besides being very misleading, your post is just embarrassing to read to other parents all of whom won't broker their kid's safety to be a tough guy twice reclassified IAC or MIAA lacrosse bro someday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 03:37 PM
FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 04:41 PM
Good One.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 05:07 PM
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.


The FCA dads and moms have such an inferiority complex.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 05:40 PM
FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.


Surpassed Crabs in hypocrisy in terms of all the "Christian" athletes they are bringing in? Certainly you don't mean in terms of talent on the lacrosse field
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 06:19 PM
"At U11, the 50-70 pound weight differential is legimate. You have 12-year old 5th graders who weigh 120-130 pounds (or more) playing aginst 9-10 year olds who often weigh between 65-80 pounds. I saw it this weekend."

it seems what you're describing is the traditional u9, u11,u13,u15 system. Under us lax age guidelines the oldest kids in u11 for spring 2015 will turn 12 this fall. the youngest would be 9 until next summer.

A grade based 5th grade team would have the kids born between 9/1/03 and 8/31/04, plus any kids who were held back. My experience having volunteered in rec lacrosse and seeing bdays is that the majority of kids who were held back from K or did pre 1st were summer birthdays. I have seen handful with spring and just a few with Jan/Feb. I've never seen a fall prefirst kid. Not to say it doesn't happen but would be rare even for the balto private schools. It does seem like it's a given if you're a summer bday you do prefirst at the gilman, st paul, Bls of the world. My point is that under grade based league tournaments it would be rare to have more than an 18 month spread between oldest and youngest.

The fairest system would be the one that soccer uses. Age by single year - u9,u10,u11,u12 etc. But the grade system detractors seem only to focus the holdbacks. In my opinion the 2nd fairest system is Grade. BTW my kids are in public schools, are in the proper grade age and 1 has a summer bday.

Bottom line is that no matter what system my july bday son is at a disadvantage for lax. But then he's one of the oldest for soccer because of July cutoff
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.


Surpassed Crabs in hypocrisy in terms of all the "Christian" athletes they are bringing in? Certainly you don't mean in terms of talent on the lacrosse field


Hunh?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/15/14 07:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.


They must have improved a lot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 02:38 AM
So seriously folks, this is an honest question, how do your kids feel socially about being held back. I guess it is boon to kids who struggle in school, because they can pretend they need the boost for athletics.

However, I can't imagine that dads of 8th graders are comfortable having your young men at the school dance.

What happens if you hold them back and they end up playing D3 or club anyway? Will that still be okay? Seriously unless you are after a top D3, it is not difficult to play D3 for the average club lax player if he has excellent grades.

I really am completely baffled by this whole trend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 02:44 AM
""The fairest system would be the one that soccer uses. Age by single year - u9,u10,u11,u12 etc. But the grade system detractors seem only to focus the holdbacks. In my opinion the 2nd fairest system is Grade. BTW my kids are in public schools, are in the proper grade age and 1 has a summer bday.""

The right system and the one that parents and children know is the fairest is obviously age based at the youth level. Grade based might be the next fairest in most parts of the country as the holdback mentality isn't so prevalent. Most parts of the country children aren't regularly held back due to a late birthday. Maryland private schools and their parents have taken holding children back to a new level. And while there is plenty with Summer Birthdays , there are plenty with birthdays earlier including prior year. Why do these select players enjoy a benefit others dont at youth level. There is many children that could use the same benefit. If it was here and there with holdbacks , no one would care, but there will be teams with many holdbacks on them . Goes against everything that is right in youth sports, letting select kids get an advantage. I have children in MIAA school and know all about the massive amount of children heldback.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 04:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
""The fairest system would be the one that soccer uses. Age by single year - u9,u10,u11,u12 etc. But the grade system detractors seem only to focus the holdbacks. In my opinion the 2nd fairest system is Grade. BTW my kids are in public schools, are in the proper grade age and 1 has a summer bday.""

The right system and the one that parents and children know is the fairest is obviously age based at the youth level. Grade based might be the next fairest in most parts of the country as the holdback mentality isn't so prevalent. Most parts of the country children aren't regularly held back due to a late birthday. Maryland private schools and their parents have taken holding children back to a new level. And while there is plenty with Summer Birthdays , there are plenty with birthdays earlier including prior year. Why do these select players enjoy a benefit others dont at youth level. There is many children that could use the same benefit. If it was here and there with holdbacks , no one would care, but there will be teams with many holdbacks on them . Goes against everything that is right in youth sports, letting select kids get an advantage. I have children in MIAA school and know all about the massive amount of children heldback.


I agree, when on age boys start to hit puberty it is dangerous enough for the kids who have not started yet, my son was a 14 year old 98 lb 8th grader playing with other 14 year-olds who were 180 lbs and shaving. That was unavoidable.

Guess what, plenty of age appropriate kids are getting offers, unless your child is so underdeveloped it is socially an issue or academically challenged you shouldn't hold them back. If they are academically challenged an extra year of 8th grade is very unlikely to change their IQ, so plying a D1 sport might not be a good idea in college if you would like them to get a degree.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 08:55 AM
If you really are concerned about safety, the fairest system is that used by football through age 15 which uses age and weight. But do you really want to go there?


Age/Weight Division Age(s) Certification Weight Range
TINY-MITE
(older/lighter) 5-6-7. 35-75 lbs

MITEY-MITE
(older/lighter) 7-8-9. 45-90 lbs

JUNIOR PEE WEE
(older/lighter) 8-9-10. 60-105 lbs
11 60-85 lbs
PEE WEE
(older/lighter) 9-10-11. 75-120 lbs
12. 75-100 lbs

JUNIOR [lacrosse]
(older/lighter) 10-11-12. 90-145 lbs
13. 90-120 lbs

[lacrosse]
(older/lighter) 12-13-14. 105-170 lbs
15 105-140 lbs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 11:33 AM
It is important to understand why we have grade based groups and why that is happening now as opposed to earlier in the youth game. There is nothing that clubs can do to regulate HS play and there are no HS rules against kids being older for their class. I think this debate is about the youth game. Kids between 8 and 15. Give US Lacrosse some credit. They tried. Here is a link to the Gold Stick Program on their website: http://www.uslacrosse.org/resources/programs-grants/gold-stick-program.aspx

The shortcoming of all this is US Lacrosse implemented guidelines, suggested baseline standards and then listed out some best practices / exceeding the standards. One of the best practices to exceed standards is age based youth teams with further player contact rules. To quote:

Best Practices/Exceeding the standard:
Implementation of additional rules to further emphasis and “exceed” the published rules (i.e., no body contact at all levels U15 and below, grouping players for competition by individual age/year – U15, U14, U13, U12, etc).

I believe this was first circulated by US Lacrosse in early spring of 2014. Did any of you see this link or hear the term Gold Stick Program from your clubs or club owners? Probably not. Definitely not the club my kids play for. Also in spring 2014, and close to immediately after US Lacrosse published this the club owners who control Maryland and DMV lacrosse moved quickly to establish grade based teams going on down to 3rd graders for NPYLL, HOCO and club tournament play. Does anyone believe that timing is an unrelated coincidence? Even if you do not believe that club owners are implicitly celebrating the holdback grades epidemic, all of us would have to at least admit there is a commercial reason for it. A 16 year hold entering 9th grader will have spent two more tuition paying years in the club / clinics / showcase system before "graduating" from club to HS play.

Here is my poke at this...the other posters are right. Sometimes you'll get a 98 pound 14 year old out there with a 180 pound 14 year old. Sometimes you'll find a legit new Mikey Powell who is a 98 pound 12 year old who could play up with 14 year olds. At that point it is up to parental discretion to put a kid into this contact sport or not. No system needs to be set up to make those imbalances go away. What we are talking about now is grade based youth teams are an implicit incentive for parents to go to the "Outliers" book bible. Older, more developed kids will have a sports advantage. I don't care about kids doing pre-first or whatever you call it in Baltimore, but I do share the disgust of many parents redshirting their 8th or 9th graders. The HS rules leave that be for now, but the club owners didn't need to do this to the youth game. If they want to do more teams and make more money, fine. Do U15, U14, U13, etc. just like the US Lacrosse best practices state. Why is that status quo so bad?

One more point: most larger club owners now privately insure their leagues and events. Why? One reason why is if you don't follow US Lacrosse safety guidelines, US Lacrosse won't permit those same leagues or events under their umbrella insurance policy. That plainly means we as parents are also paying higher club and events fees to cover the private insurance costs to preserve grade based youth teams.

The bottom line this is a youth sport. Get off the XBox and iPhones for exercise, socially mix with new friends, compete well, aspire to your goals (make varsity - go on to play college lacrosse) be a good sport and have fun. We can celebrate that and still see some of these kids go on to be Hopkins or UMD commits -- that happens anyways in any competitive sport and there is little to nothing you can do to make your son the new Mikey Powell. I would also wager most of your sons don't want to be the new Mikey Powell as much as their Dads. My kid was worried that I forgot the team snacks and asked several times in the car on the way to his games last weekend if I got a certain flavor of fruit roll-ups. And that was just perfect for 10 years old, thank you very much.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 11:37 AM
The Pop Warner football model fails at the older brackets. There are too many 7th/8th graders who are too big for JM and M.

Our shcool district has middle school football which is no weight limit. Age limits do apply, but they are structured that a 1x holdback could play. (a 2x holback would be ineligible to play in 8th grade)

The O-Line at our middle school average 180 lbs and none were holdbacks. None were terribly overweight either. Boys hit puberty at different times.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has surpassed CRABS, everyone knows that.


Surpassed Crabs in hypocrisy in terms of all the "Christian" athletes they are bringing in? Certainly you don't mean in terms of talent on the lacrosse field


Hunh?


Sounds like a Crab Dad is tipping his red solo cup again. Cheers Crabby, see you on the field
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 12:02 PM
In the upcoming recruiting tournaments can the kids that have not been held back / reclassified have a special stripe put on their helmets so everyone will know they are younger than most of their peers. It would be like a badge of honor! Unlike the slinky holdbacks that I am sure would not want to be identified as such.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 01:52 PM
I concur!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 04:39 PM
College coaches don't care. They are looking at classes, and who are the best in that class. Do you think college basketball coaches care if a guy in, say, the Class of 2016 was originally in the Class of 2015? It happens in all sports.

What a bunch of whiners.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches don't care. They are looking at classes, and who are the best in that class. Do you think college basketball coaches care if a guy in, say, the Class of 2016 was originally in the Class of 2015? It happens in all sports.

What a bunch of whiners.


Way off point there Ryan. This is not a debate about recruiting, and it is well established that kids will repeat grades to play HS ball a year or a few years older and there are no rules against that. The grades teams debate is about the youth game. Or are we all once again just a bunch of dumb and uninformed whiners. Is your point that colleges are evaluating 7th, 5th or 4th graders and that is all they care about? That would be news to all of us. And I like that you picked basketball. Yes, basketball club play is by age. The college coaches in that sport don't seem dazzled or confused about what HS year their recruits are in. Enlighten us or get on topic, or better yet grow a spine.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.


They must have improved a lot.


Surely the impact of adding 10 players who were 2017 a month ago should help, No?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 11:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.


They must have improved a lot.


Surely the impact of adding 10 players who were 2017 a month ago should help, No?


As it would for any team. But like most teams, 10 former 2017's did not reclass. Try again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 11:54 PM
2017 is a 10 grade team. Might have a bunch of 11 grade age kids on team but 10 grade is past youth lacrosse...Dont like the older kids on teams but in Maryland it is the norm .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/16/14 11:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.


Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 12:00 AM
Basketball is grade based and has just as many re-class kids.

At the highest level of AAU you will have a whole team do it.

Get with it....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.


Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.



Try again. Sure looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals. Hogan would love to have some of his Hawks players moonlight AGAINST the Hawks. Good effort though dumb As#.
http://www.alohatournaments.com/Beach-Lax.aspx
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 01:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
....looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals.




....in OT....

....and lost to the Hawks during the spring season in a full-length, refereed game....

....both great games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.


Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.



Try again. Sure looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals. Hogan would love to have some of his Hawks players moonlight AGAINST the Hawks. Good effort though dumb As#.
http://www.alohatournaments.com/Beach-Lax.aspx


Dumb [lacrosse]? Hmmn put your name in there coach.
Moonlight against Hawks? what does that mean???
Dumb [lacrosse].???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.


Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.



That says a lot about which club does a better job developing talent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 04:31 PM
CRABS are a great collector of talent, but they certainly dont develop it. [lacrosse], many of their returning players arent even developed enough to make it the next year! But, they'll collect a few that developed elsewhere and holdback a few others.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.


Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.



Try again. Sure looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals. Hogan would love to have some of his Hawks players moonlight AGAINST the Hawks. Good effort though dumb As#.
http://www.alohatournaments.com/Beach-Lax.aspx


Dumb [lacrosse]? Hmmn put your name in there coach.
Moonlight against Hawks? what does that mean???
Dumb [lacrosse].???


So the team that won the tournament got "3 studs" from the Hawks team they played in the finals? Not likely.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CRABS are a great collector of talent, but they certainly dont develop it. [lacrosse], many of their returning players arent even developed enough to make it the next year! But, they'll collect a few that developed elsewhere and holdback a few others.....


Developing players takes time and $, that would be time the directors and partners can't spend on the beach and $ that can't be spent on beach houses...all about the bottom line at Crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded.
I would put them up against anyone in country.
Even better going in to the fall season.


Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks.
Trust me, won't happen again.



Try again. Sure looks like they beat the Hawks in Finals. Hogan would love to have some of his Hawks players moonlight AGAINST the Hawks. Good effort though dumb As#.
http://www.alohatournaments.com/Beach-Lax.aspx


Dumb [lacrosse]? Hmmn put your name in there coach.
Moonlight against Hawks? what does that mean???
Dumb [lacrosse].???


So the team that won the tournament got "3 studs" from the Hawks team they played in the finals? Not likely.


FCA and Hawks played in the finals and it was a great game. The Crabs were halfway back to Baltimore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/17/14 06:59 PM
Is Ryan like Mr Crabs and his players the Crabby paddies???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/18/14 12:59 AM
Crabs beat Hawks by one in last minute of NPYLL
Ship..

3 Hawks players then joined Crabs....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/18/14 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is Ryan like Mr Crabs and his players the Crabby paddies???


Ryan is affectionately known as "King Crab"!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/19/14 01:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA Blue 2018's spanked the Crabs in their one and only meeting last year in Ocean City 9 - 3.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2018 is Loaded. I would put them up against anyone in country. Even better going in to the fall season.
Yeah, well several kids did not play and they got 3 studs from hawks. Trust me, won't happen again.




November 9th....@ Hopkins....Crabs 2018 vs Team 91....and FCA....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/19/14 12:21 PM
I would trust Crabs middle and HS teams that get top players from other programs will win a lot of games. But to the extent Crabs churn the rosters each tryout period does also mean they don't develop players well enough and that player development is not a primary focus. Poaching players leads to success and the Crabs are a program with success. But they don't develop players well enough to keep a stable group together.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/19/14 12:35 PM
Keep telling your self that. Good one, second tier team parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/19/14 12:50 PM
No loyalty in the Crab program...constant turnover, always looking for the bigger (or older) kid...and adding a hardshell team when convenient.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/19/14 01:06 PM
The facts are what they are. Returning players getting cut from CRABS and then can't make top teams elsewhere. Whats that tell you about their great coaching and player development????
Poachers and collectors, thats what they are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/19/14 02:13 PM
Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/19/14 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!

You nailed it.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/19/14 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!



Hawks - develop kids great - kick butt enough to get 2nd place - then get poached of best players
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/20/14 01:14 AM
Hawks is a hidden commodity. No bs. Parents are passionate but mean well, unlike crabs, looneys, fca.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/20/14 01:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!



Hawks - develop kids great - kick butt enough to get 2nd place - then get poached of best players


Hawks-Play daddy ball and second rate events...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/20/14 03:33 AM
Just curious, which Hawks teams play daddy ball?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/20/14 11:39 PM
All of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/21/14 03:53 AM
Not true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/21/14 04:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow! A Runtown of Club Teams in Maryland..I want my 6 grader who I have held back to be recruited by the top college teams and get a full ride. But where to go to play club???? This is the impression I get from reading here...

Crabs..Don't Develope players, poach, No loyalty, Money Money , Money, Love their holdbacks,Basically suck!
Looneys..daddy Ball, Losing players, Basically Suck
Breakers..Money, Money , Money, Play down, Lose players Basically suck!
FCA .. daddy ball,Poach, Not very nice, Basically Suck !
Put Team Name Here...Basically Suck!



Hawks - develop kids great - kick butt enough to get 2nd place - then get poached of best players


Hawks-Play daddy ball and second rate events...


Judge for yourself.


https://www.annapolishawks.com/coaches

How many of these coaches have their own kids on these teams?

If they do have their kids on the team, how many of the kids don't deserve the playing time they get?

In my opinion - when the coach does have a kid on the team, the coach's kid works harder for playing time than the rest of the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/21/14 05:46 PM
Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/21/14 11:15 PM
WOW....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?


2016 and 2017 are coached by Hogan who does not have kids on the team so you are obviously incorrect in at least two of your three examples.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 11:58 AM
If there is a Dad coaching anywhere in the club then things will not be even or fair. Some times the trick is the Dad will coach another team and then be taken care of by the Dad coaching the team his sons on. I also think people are not giving these college scouts any credit? If your son is D1 they will find him even if he plays for the team that comes in 3rd or 4th place at these tournaments, just make sure he is starting/playing a lot. They will find your son
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?


2016 and 2017 are coached by Hogan who does not have kids on the team so you are obviously incorrect in at least two of your three examples.

2017 has to start over again because whole team left -Daddy Ball-CORRECT.

2016-3 kids commited, 2 to service academies-take them out...Kids scrambling to find college fit-CORRECT!!-DAD helping coach-CORECT
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 02:53 PM
The Crabs comments seem accurate to me. The sad truth is in this sport there is a point where it is time to stop learning and developing and to start being seen and getting noticed. Maybe the elite programs like Crabs don't develop players the best way but come high school they will have sucked in most of the elite talent to run on their teams. College coaches want to evaluate players playing on top teams against other top teams. Crabs are a top team, and I think FCA and Blackwolf are in those spots too. After that you have a lot of fakers like Hawks, VLC, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?


2016 and 2017 are coached by Hogan who does not have kids on the team so you are obviously incorrect in at least two of your three examples.

2017 has to start over again because whole team left -Daddy Ball-CORRECT.

2016-3 kids commited, 2 to service academies-take them out...Kids scrambling to find college fit-CORRECT!!-DAD helping coach-CORECT



So what you are saying is that if a Dad is somehow interested in the team and not the coach, it is still Daddy Ball?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 05:39 PM
Definition of daddy is simple, so that even you can understand it. If Dad is the coach, kid is on team or is getting playing time over other more deserving/better players. Breakers, Looney's, Rock all guilty....Hawks for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Definition of daddy is simple, so that even you can understand it. If Dad is the coach, kid is on team or is getting playing time over other more deserving/better players. Breakers, Looney's, Rock all guilty....Hawks for sure.


Crabs just start a hardshells team when a coach's son can't make a team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 07:12 PM
Really you left Madlax out of this list. They are top three or four at lowest for MD/VA .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Definition of daddy is simple, so that even you can understand it. If Dad is the coach, kid is on team or is getting playing time over other more deserving/better players. Breakers, Looney's, Rock all guilty....Hawks for sure.


If the Dad is the head coach and the son is getting more time, then I can see your point. Otherwise it sounds like the same whining heard all over this site "refs didn't like us", "they had a kid 6 months older", "coach has favorites".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 08:06 PM
but what if the coach's son is the best player on the team?

Georgetown Prep just graduated a D1 kid that was coached by his kid as a lad - I'm sure there are plenty of others
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/22/14 10:34 PM
I would challenge someone to point to a club where there isn't a father coaching. It exists everywhere.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 12:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2017-broke up because of Daddy Ball.Not one kid with offer
Hawks 2018-3 of best players leave-tired of Daddy Ball.look for better option.
Hawks 2016-3 kids commited, panic sets in-they look for better options.

That enough?


2016 and 2017 are coached by Hogan who does not have kids on the team so you are obviously incorrect in at least two of your three examples.
In addition to 2017 and 2016, 2018 Green and Black, 2019 Black not coached by dad's so there are three more teams. Most if not all of the teams are coached by someone with college lacrosse experience, at least two were captains at major Div 1 schools. Why should they not be allowed to coach just because they have a kid on the team? Just because a father is coaching a team, doesn't make it a daddy ball situation, they are two totally different things. There is also a guy named Dave Cottle who is involved. He helped coach the 2015 team and they had a fair amount of success, his son was on that team, I guess just one more example of daddy ball?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 09:49 AM
Even if it is daddyball...that is one out of 10 players???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 11:10 AM
Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 11:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?


They are busy with drivers ed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 01:00 PM
"they are busy with drivers ed"

Said the guy whose kid got cut, again
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 03:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?


They are busy with drivers ed


Lmao
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 05:38 PM
That is funny! but not quite right. I heard several already had their drivers license.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 06:07 PM
You guys are like the parents who scream, "Thanks, Ref" whenever your son loses a game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?


They are busy with drivers ed


You're an idiot. They are all 9-11 yrs old. What's a matter, did your son get cut?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 06:57 PM
The holdback apologists come out of the woodwork while their sons or friends son play down a year...
or how about this " You're an idiot. You let your 10 year old play against a bunch of 9 year olds, What's the matter can't play with kids his own age"
Hilarious!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/23/14 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone seen the crabs 2022 team play?


They are busy with drivers ed


Hey, you can't say that's not funny. No need to rehash the whole reclassification debate here, but when you are known for being the club with a lot of reclassified kids, parents are always going to cite that when you win. Of course, when your 9th grader commits to UNC, JHU or UVA, I don't think you'll care!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 12:51 AM
Probably very true..I think Rob Pannell was close to 25 when he graduated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 01:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Probably very true..I think Rob Pannell was close to 25 when he graduated.


Rob Pannell. From Maryland right? Oh wait a minute....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 09:36 AM
Hard to Follow I know...but I suspect Rob's parents could care less about his age during his time in HS and College...now during his youth he probably played up not down smile ..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 10:38 AM
Pannell's birthday is December 11, 1989, which means he's 24 right now! Which also means he was 23 when he graduated in 2013 . . . his 5th year in college due to an injury. AND he did a PG year at Deerfield because he would have only been 17 when he started college in 2007/2008.

Get your facts straight before posting on this board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 06:20 PM
Glad we have a Fact checker here. Wish you would check more facts than this trivial one. which wasnt about his age as much as parents didnt care...I thought he did a PG and red shirted a year due to injury also. which made him normally two years older than most graduates....But since he started at 17,, I guess Rob was the youngest on his youth team with him being 24 now...I bet he played up, please check these facts and compare to Maryland players that play down.....So only right about him playing down! ...Also I promise not to post until I check facts next time to keep in your graces..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 06:46 PM
So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 07:06 PM
At 24, Rob Panell could play for the Crabs 2016 team!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 07:23 PM
Good thing you guys aren't running out of material. It's great reading the same, unfunny jokes again and again.

Sorry things aren't working out for your son.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.

Amen! So true
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.


Obsessed with Crabs? That's kinda like being obsessed with My Space. The best days of both are behind them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 08:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.


Obsessed with Crabs? That's kinda like being obsessed with My Space. The best days of both are behind them.


Actually people don't talk about Myspace anymore - that is what makes it irrelevant

The fact that there are people on here repeating the same "jokes" about the crabs and posting the same article about Madlax shows that they are still on top and others are trying to knock them down


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 09:03 PM
When someone or a Team takes an advantage to get ahead not available to most players and teams. Then turns around around and tells you how great they or their team is. And at the same time take youth lacrosse to a new low level in fairplay in Maryland.
Yea you can expect to hear about it always.

No idea why Crabs had to push this issue when they had great teams with just age??? They could have had their grade based HS teams and left the youth to age base like it always was. Sorry this youth issue isnt going away.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 09:23 PM
now all clubs are doing it. FCA,Looneys,Hawks,Breakers, list goes on. ALl chasing the the same thing. NOTHING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/24/14 09:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So many Dads obsessed with the Crabs. Guess you have to take shots at the best when you can't beat them.


Obsessed with Crabs? That's kinda like being obsessed with My Space. The best days of both are behind them.


Actually people don't talk about Myspace anymore - that is what makes it irrelevant

The fact that there are people on here repeating the same "jokes" about the crabs and posting the same article about Madlax shows that they are still on top and others are trying to knock them down





Madlax on top? Now that's funny. Their 2015 team sucked, the 2016s are average and the 2017 team ysis just above average. Don't out them in the same sentence with the Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/25/14 06:22 PM
If you think about where Madlax pulls from and where the crabs pull from it is way more impressive they are as good as they are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/25/14 08:40 PM
The MD talent pool the Crabs pull from is much deeper, but there are also many more clubs fighting for the same kids.

Madlax has most of the best youth kids right now, but those kids leave Madlax in droves once they reach HS.

The Crabs used to have a monopoly on all the top MD kids. No more, but it is still impressive how good their teams are given the competition from other good clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/25/14 10:57 PM
FCA has closed the gap on the Crabs for the elite Baltimore kids, but the Crabs also draw the best kids from outside the Baltimore area that are willing to make that commute to play for the Crabs. Crabs have more kids from all over the state and that makes it easier for them to restock / reload every year.

Crabs also practice more than the other programs and play more games than the other programs.

All of the top programs have their share of holdbacks!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/25/14 11:31 PM
fca closing the gap?? really? they had one victory over crabs. big deal. fca's youth program is a joke. the only good teams weren't even their own teams. they are avg at best
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/25/14 11:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has closed the gap on the Crabs for the elite Baltimore kids, but the Crabs also draw the best kids from outside the Baltimore area that are willing to make that commute to play for the Crabs. Crabs have more kids from all over the state and that makes it easier for them to restock / reload every year.

Crabs also practice more than the other programs and play more games than the other programs.

All of the top programs have their share of holdbacks!


All the top programs do not necessarily have their share of holdbacks. What age groups are you referring to?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/26/14 02:36 AM
Looking at the Crabs roosters ..I notice many holdbacks that I know from my sons school.
Crabs will get the majority of holdbacks. It is a star program to MIAA school kids.And that is where the majority of Balt holdbacks are located.That along with many holdbacks parents having sports in mind, and where is top program??? Crabs ....I don't know many 4th-8th grade kids and parents that wouldn't want their sons on Crabs. Crabs will have strong youth teams this year especially with all these holdbacks. No one else will have near as many. Would bet my salary on it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/26/14 11:00 AM
Holdback are the only way crabs win. Parents should be so proud having their son beating on younger teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/26/14 11:40 AM
Last season's U15, 2017, 2016, 2015. Now that the teams are class based the holdbacks will be littered throughout various class based groups. Previously it was only a factor at U15 and above (HS).

The elite teams will have the most holdbacks and will create a greater disparity between the haves and have nots!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has closed the gap on the Crabs for the elite Baltimore kids, but the Crabs also draw the best kids from outside the Baltimore area that are willing to make that commute to play for the Crabs. Crabs have more kids from all over the state and that makes it easier for them to restock / reload every year.

Crabs also practice more than the other programs and play more games than the other programs.

All of the top programs have their share of holdbacks!


All the top programs do not necessarily have their share of holdbacks. What age groups are you referring to?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/26/14 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The MD talent pool the Crabs pull from is much deeper, but there are also many more clubs fighting for the same kids.

Madlax has most of the best youth kids right now, but those kids leave Madlax in droves once they reach HS.

The Crabs used to have a monopoly on all the top MD kids. No more, but it is still impressive how good their teams are given the competition from other good clubs.



For the spring leagues, the clubs are still fairly regional with Madlax generally the best in doc, crabs best in Baltimore, and hawks best in annapolis.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/26/14 04:58 PM
Ty Xanders made a comment about parents who whine about holdbacks/late starters whatever..

Thinks it funny--the complaining...

Just get better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/26/14 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders made a comment about parents who whine about holdbacks/late starters whatever..

Thinks it funny--the complaining...

Just get better.


When we were younger, the better players whether late birthdays or hold backs always played their age (Vitual Reality cals it playing up) not their grade. At least those who had aspirations of ever playing in collage regardless of the sport.

Why aren't the coaches telling the players "sure, hold back and we will have a spot but you better play at the level..." a level that challenges you the most. I don't get it

wont they be playing against a year older in college anyway
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/26/14 11:59 PM
Where did Ty Xanders do this
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/27/14 10:14 AM
his twitter account
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/29/14 07:53 PM
Ty loves the Crabs!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/29/14 09:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders made a comment about parents who whine about holdbacks/late starters whatever..

Thinks it funny--the complaining...

Just get better.


When we were younger, the better players whether late birthdays or hold backs always played their age (Vitual Reality cals it playing up) not their grade. At least those who had aspirations of ever playing in collage regardless of the sport.

Why aren't the coaches telling the players "sure, hold back and we will have a spot but you better play at the level..." a level that challenges you the most. I don't get it

wont they be playing against a year older in college anyway


Yep have a kid with a spring birthday (young) 2017 with offers, as do many of his age appropriate team mates and friends. The only hold back with an offer I know probably needed to stay back because of grades. I don't understand why a parent would think a kid who can't hack 9th grade will do well at a competitive school playing a D1 sport.

I think certain clubs like to make sure they always win. If that means bringing in ringers, or holding back, or both, so be it. It is good for business. Who cares if some of the holdbacks waste time and money and end up not playing at the level they were promised. Club owners have a big reputation and money in the bank.

If parents want to buy into it to say their kid plays D1 lax, so be it. Just remember it will be difficult to get a ringer to take Junior's SATs, get him of his suspension for drinking or fix his GPA. The option, suggesting your kid work harder, train harder and hit the books is difficult for some to imagine so the open a checkbook instead.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 09/30/14 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty Xanders made a comment about parents who whine about holdbacks/late starters whatever..

Thinks it funny--the complaining...

Just get better.


When we were younger, the better players whether late birthdays or hold backs always played their age (Vitual Reality cals it playing up) not their grade. At least those who had aspirations of ever playing in collage regardless of the sport.

Why aren't the coaches telling the players "sure, hold back and we will have a spot but you better play at the level..." a level that challenges you the most. I don't get it

wont they be playing against a year older in college anyway


Yep have a kid with a spring birthday (young) 2017 with offers, as do many of his age appropriate team mates and friends. The only hold back with an offer I know probably needed to stay back because of grades. I don't understand why a parent would think a kid who can't hack 9th grade will do well at a competitive school playing a D1 sport.

I think certain clubs like to make sure they always win. If that means bringing in ringers, or holding back, or both, so be it. It is good for business. Who cares if some of the holdbacks waste time and money and end up not playing at the level they were promised. Club owners have a big reputation and money in the bank.

If parents want to buy into it to say their kid plays D1 lax, so be it. Just remember it will be difficult to get a ringer to take Junior's SATs, get him of his suspension for drinking or fix his GPA. The option, suggesting your kid work harder, train harder and hit the books is difficult for some to imagine so the open a checkbook instead.


The best and most thoughtful post on youth or HS lacrosse ever. Thank you.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/05/14 01:53 AM

Looks like Breakers owner and Crabs owner are teaming up this fall.

"Aloha Tournaments is pleased to be working in conjunction with Ryan McClernan and B'more Lax Company on the Famous Autumn Classic Lacrosse Tournament.
Middle School: $1200 for NPYLL Member or $1500 for NPYLL non-member
High School: $1350 for NSCLA Member or $1550 for NSCLA non-member"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/05/14 05:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Breakers owner and Crabs owner are teaming up this fall.

"Aloha Tournaments is pleased to be working in conjunction with Ryan McClernan and B'more Lax Company on the Famous Autumn Classic Lacrosse Tournament.
Middle School: $1200 for NPYLL Member or $1500 for NPYLL non-member
High School: $1350 for NSCLA Member or $1550 for NSCLA non-member"


Do the breakers own Aloha? (Or vice versa)

I think NPYLL is spreading around their fall tournament. Last year hogan ran it and the the year before Madlax ran it.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/05/14 04:00 PM
Many of payments to Breakers are made out to Aloha Tournaments. Breaker teams are required to attend Aloha tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/05/14 05:58 PM
The breakers 2021 team isn't playing in the Aloha Autumn Classic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/05/14 10:12 PM
Breakers are required to attend some..not all
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/25/14 06:01 PM
Hello
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/26/14 06:17 PM
Better to lay low...
Leave that sleeping bear alone(The 2018 Crabs).

Scrimmaged Breakers today without a few key kids.....

Very talented, a lot of D1 material.

Not even close...stopped keeping score.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/26/14 08:05 PM
2014 npyll champs Madlax enough said.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/26/14 08:30 PM
Crabs beat Hawks in championship.
Hawks beat down Madlax and there early commits
Give me a break
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/26/14 11:53 PM
Here are all of the NPYLL Champions

Crabs U15AA
Annapolis Hawks U15A
Crabs U13AA
Annapolis Hawks U13A
Bethesda U11AA
Baltimore Breakers U11A
Bethesda U9AA

If your team is not above, all you can do is practice and keep quiet until spring.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 12:44 AM
Nice List....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 04:17 AM
[quote=Anonymous]Better to lay low...
Leave that sleeping bear alone(The 2018 Crabs).

Scrimmaged Breakers today without a few key kids.....

Very talented, a lot of D1 material.

Not even close...stopped keeping score. [/quote

Give it a rest. You were not even the best 2018 team in Baltimore last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 12:20 PM
[That's why they play the games FCA dude. Pass the hat and show up, then see for your self.quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Better to lay low...
Leave that sleeping bear alone(The 2018 Crabs).

Scrimmaged Breakers today without a few key kids.....

Very talented, a lot of D1 material.

Not even close...stopped keeping score. [/quote

Give it a rest. You were not even the best 2018 team in Baltimore last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 12:43 PM
What are grad years for champions
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 02:31 PM
FCA will take it to Crabs this year, just wait
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are grad years for champions


2023 u9aa
2022 u11a
2021 u11aa
2020 u13a
2019 u13aa
2018 u15aa
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 03:04 PM
I'm glad youngest my kid decided to play baseball instead of lacrosse. Never thought I'd write that a few years ago.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 04:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are grad years for champions


2023 u9aa
2022 u11a
2021 u11aa
2020 u13a
2019 u13aa
2018 u15aa


11A and 13A was combine older teams playing down
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm glad youngest my kid decided to play baseball instead of lacrosse. Never thought I'd write that a few years ago.


Elite baseball clubs are just as bad. Plus you have all of the repetitive motion injuries if your kid is pitching.

Just have him play whatever he wants until it stops being fun.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 05:09 PM
Nothing is worse than lacrosse parents. Baseball has some crazies, and to be fair if you are good enough at baseball you can go to college for free or make a legit living at the sport. Misguided to do anything except for the kid's fun and fulfillment to be on a team and make friends...but at least in baseball the crazies are explained by the possibility of riches. In lacrosse your kids can hope Lacrosse Unlimited stores are hiring.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nothing is worse than lacrosse parents. Baseball has some crazies, and to be fair if you are good enough at baseball you can go to college for free or make a legit living at the sport. Misguided to do anything except for the kid's fun and fulfillment to be on a team and make friends...but at least in baseball the crazies are explained by the possibility of riches. In lacrosse your kids can hope Lacrosse Unlimited stores are hiring.


and lacrosse offers kids from baltimore, long island, upstate ny and a few other locales the ability to get your kid into a better college - ivies, acc schools, etc. recruit ~15 kids per year!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 06:16 PM
I tell my football and baseball parents all the time that the Lacrosse world is not about the free money. I am always saying the lacrosse parent sees lacrosse a a way to get your kid into UVA once they get that first B in 9th grade. Because you can not get into schools like UVA or better with a couple B's if you do not play a sport they care about. And we all know our kids by high school if you know your kid is not going to get all A's you go to the next best thing lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 06:54 PM
There are opportunities to go to a great school and get a great education. The perfect lacrosse career is use the sport to get into an awesome school, then ditch lacrosse after first year of fall ball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/27/14 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nothing is worse than lacrosse parents. Baseball has some crazies, and to be fair if you are good enough at baseball you can go to college for free or make a legit living at the sport. Misguided to do anything except for the kid's fun and fulfillment to be on a team and make friends...but at least in baseball the crazies are explained by the possibility of riches. In lacrosse your kids can hope Lacrosse Unlimited stores are hiring.


Doesn't hurt if you are from Central America as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/28/14 12:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Better to lay low...
Leave that sleeping bear alone(The 2018 Crabs).

Scrimmaged Breakers today without a few key kids.....

Very talented, a lot of D1 material.

Not even close...stopped keeping score.


Where were those kids? The UVA camp?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/28/14 12:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are grad years for champions


2023 u9aa
2022 u11a
2021 u11aa
2020 u13a
2019 u13aa
2018 u15aa


11A and 13A was combine older teams playing down


Ignorant comment.
They didnt play down. The leagues were set up differently. Some teams were only age based and some were grade based. Some teams were young and some old. Little screwy but worked out as no one ran away with any league. This year its only grade based.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/28/14 11:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA will take it to Crabs this year, just wait


You will get your chance very soon big mouth
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/28/14 01:58 PM
CRABS 2019 will be awfully embarrassed when THUNDER beat them in the Autumn Classic!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/28/14 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CRABS 2019 will be awfully embarrassed when THUNDER beat them in the Autumn Classic!!


No doubt. Kevin Durant has a sick elevator shot!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/29/14 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA will take it to Crabs this year, just wait


You will get your chance very soon big mouth


I think someone struck a nerve
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/29/14 04:19 PM
Some of you guys need to give fantasy football a try. This thread is running out of FCA vs. Breakers vs. Crabs who has better pre-puberty boys comedy material.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 01:13 AM
Crabs 2022 is a new team playing against Hawks, Manhasset, and Looneys in GT Fall invite. What are the odds they go 3-0?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 01:35 AM
O-3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 01:55 AM
Odds very good. Manhasset is a town team not club. Looneys not very good. Hawks where ok last hear they picked up a few players. They never beat any of the top teams from 11uA or AA last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 01:58 AM
Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 03:20 AM
All r weak.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Odds very good. Manhasset is a town team not club. Looneys not very good. Hawks where ok last hear they picked up a few players. They never beat any of the top teams from 11uA or AA last year.


The Hawks did beat the NPYLL champion breakers during the regular season, but lost to them in the championship game. Not really my definition of 'ok'.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.


Dude, they're 5th graders. There aren't holdbacks. There are some kids that went to pre-first, but those kids were born in the summer so they are only a month or two older than my son who has a September birthday and would be on age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 03:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Odds very good. Manhasset is a town team not club. Looneys not very good. Hawks where ok last hear they picked up a few players. They never beat any of the top teams from 11uA or AA last year.


The Hawks did beat the NPYLL champion breakers during the regular season, but lost to them in the championship game. Not really my definition of 'ok'.


Hawks need to beat the cannons and arden to be considered a top 2022 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 04:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Odds very good. Manhasset is a town team not club. Looneys not very good. Hawks where ok last hear they picked up a few players. They never beat any of the top teams from 11uA or AA last year.


The Hawks did beat the NPYLL champion breakers during the regular season, but lost to them in the championship game. Not really my definition of 'ok'.


Hawks need to beat the cannons and arden to be considered a top 2022 team.


Hawks beat Cannons easily twice in Ayla fall league in the past couple weeks. Hawks beat Arden in indoor last year and lost to Arden in Npyll season and at summer exposure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 05:39 PM
Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 07:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.


Dude, they're 5th graders. There aren't holdbacks. There are some kids that went to pre-first, but those kids were born in the summer so they are only a month or two older than my son who has a September birthday and would be on age.


When you dont go in the grade you are supposed to Sept 1 in MD, it is called holding your child back. Whether it is kindergarten or 9th grade the child was held back. It is great that the MIAA parents can hold all their summer babies back but the majority of MD does not. And all prefirst arent summer babies, some are older than that , You son born in Sept sees no issue, but the child born in May,June,July and Aug does at young ages. Why do these children get shafted??? Where is their prefirst exception to apply for?? So dude it is an advantage at young youth level. and not in the spirit of youth athletics. No worries tho, Uncle Ryan says it is OK and encourages it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.


Dude, they're 5th graders. There aren't holdbacks. There are some kids that went to pre-first, but those kids were born in the summer so they are only a month or two older than my son who has a September birthday and would be on age.


When you dont go in the grade you are supposed to Sept 1 in MD, it is called holding your child back. Whether it is kindergarten or 9th grade the child was held back. It is great that the MIAA parents can hold all their summer babies back but the majority of MD does not. And all prefirst arent summer babies, some are older than that , You son born in Sept sees no issue, but the child born in May,June,July and Aug does at young ages. Why do these children get shafted??? Where is their prefirst exception to apply for?? So dude it is an advantage at young youth level. and not in the spirit of youth athletics. No worries tho, Uncle Ryan says it is OK and encourages it.


Do you honestly think these kids are put in prefirst for athletic reasons? That's ridiculous. They have no idea whether the kid will be an athlete. I agree that there is an issue when kids are repeating grades in middle school so that they can be bigger in sports, my older son lost his spot to a holdback that was repeating 8th grade this year. But, when talking 5th graders, none of these kids were "held back" so that they could dominate on the lacrosse field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 07:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.


Npyll are the only "real" games. Most tourney and indoor games are jokes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.


Npyll are the only "real" games. Most tourney and indoor games are jokes.


You are offending a lot of Canadians who think the outdoor games are jokes and indoor is all that matters.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/30/14 08:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.


Npyll are the only "real" games. Most tourney and indoor games are jokes.


agree. any boy playing lacrosse outside of this league is just wasting his time
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 12:27 AM
It's come straight from the parents mouth that they held little bro back cause big bro didn't pan out
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 01:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Depends on how many holdbacks on Crabs team?? More holdbacks better the odds. and how many holdbacks on other teams reduces the odds. Need to know these things first.


Dude, they're 5th graders. There aren't holdbacks. There are some kids that went to pre-first, but those kids were born in the summer so they are only a month or two older than my son who has a September birthday and would be on age.


When you dont go in the grade you are supposed to Sept 1 in MD, it is called holding your child back. Whether it is kindergarten or 9th grade the child was held back. It is great that the MIAA parents can hold all their summer babies back but the majority of MD does not. And all prefirst arent summer babies, some are older than that , You son born in Sept sees no issue, but the child born in May,June,July and Aug does at young ages. Why do these children get shafted??? Where is their prefirst exception to apply for?? So dude it is an advantage at young youth level. and not in the spirit of youth athletics. No worries tho, Uncle Ryan says it is OK and encourages it.


Do you honestly think these kids are put in prefirst for athletic reasons? That's ridiculous. They have no idea whether the kid will be an athlete. I agree that there is an issue when kids are repeating grades in middle school so that they can be bigger in sports, my older son lost his spot to a holdback that was repeating 8th grade this year. But, when talking 5th graders, none of these kids were "held back" so that they could dominate on the lacrosse field.


Who said it was for athletic reasons? You did. MIAA schools hold the majority of their kids back that are born in summer months. Most have no choice. There are many that are born before summer and do prefirst also. Multiple reasons.And yes some parents have athletics as a reason. That isnt the issue and you should do what is best for your child. But just because your child is held back shouldnt give him an advantage in youth athletics that others dont enjoy. Why do the prefirst get this playing down advantage in youth sports. Why dont all summer born children get this advantage if they want it ?? We are talking youth sports right?? Goes against the concept of fair play in sports.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 11:10 AM
I still remember the lacrosse players at my ACC school from a generation ago being Baltimore kids who had trouble putting on their shoes without mommy and daddy. The LI lacrosse guys you could drop off in a jungle and they'd figure it out. Sure they were all great lacrosse players, but the Baltimore kids were soft. Now those same Baltimore guys are lacrosse parents. Pre-first and 8th grade part two are just typical patterns with typical excuses for them. I thought then maybe those guys were just privileged sissies, and now I know. Too bad young men get raised like this. They won't be able to deal with anything in life more complicated than a ground ball in a lacrosse game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 11:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I still remember the lacrosse players at my ACC school from a generation ago being Baltimore kids who had trouble putting on their shoes without mommy and daddy. The LI lacrosse guys you could drop off in a jungle and they'd figure it out. Sure they were all great lacrosse players, but the Baltimore kids were soft. Now those same Baltimore guys are lacrosse parents. Pre-first and 8th grade part two are just typical patterns with typical excuses for them. I thought then maybe those guys were just privileged sissies, and now I know. Too bad young men get raised like this. They won't be able to deal with anything in life more complicated than a ground ball in a lacrosse game.


Duke
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 11:55 AM
Not Duke. They didn't even have a team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 03:09 PM
Baltimore kids are sheltered. Kids who leave the Island for college are prepared. A Crab may be physically bigger, stronger and faster and may even be that without holding back grades in a few instances but they can never have the mental toughness to stand taller and stronger when facing a challenge on their own. Because they never practiced doing that as kids. Go get a non fat no dairy latte and think about that for a while.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Baltimore kids are sheltered. Kids who leave the Island for college are prepared. A Crab may be physically bigger, stronger and faster and may even be that without holding back grades in a few instances but they can never have the mental toughness to stand taller and stronger when facing a challenge on their own. Because they never practiced doing that as kids. Go get a non fat no dairy latte and think about that for a while.


Crabs are going to kick a litle Long Island [lacrosse] very shortly..
That "fake tough" crap is old.

And - a New England kid will run circles around you anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I still remember the lacrosse players at my ACC school from a generation ago being Baltimore kids who had trouble putting on their shoes without mommy and daddy. The LI lacrosse guys you could drop off in a jungle and they'd figure it out. Sure they were all great lacrosse players, but the Baltimore kids were soft. Now those same Baltimore guys are lacrosse parents. Pre-first and 8th grade part two are just typical patterns with typical excuses for them. I thought then maybe those guys were just privileged sissies, and now I know. Too bad young men get raised like this. They won't be able to deal with anything in life more complicated than a ground ball in a lacrosse game.


I seem to remember those blue collar boys from Westchester and West Genny being some tough SOB's. too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks beat Dbacks 2022 that's funny. Indoor 6on 6 you count that as a win on a 60 yard field.


Npyll are the only "real" games. Most tourney and indoor games are jokes.


agree. any boy playing lacrosse outside of this league is just wasting his time


- not a waste of time, but the irregular field sizes, uncut grass, unlevel fields with holes, insufficiently trained and inexperienced refs, 1 ref per field, irregular time rules and lengths, weird timeout rules, no quarters, brave hearts, no end line balls, no scoreboard, no visible timer, and other crap that goes on at far too many tournaments and leagues will not be seen at Npyll games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Baltimore kids are sheltered. Kids who leave the Island for college are prepared. A Crab may be physically bigger, stronger and faster and may even be that without holding back grades in a few instances but they can never have the mental toughness to stand taller and stronger when facing a challenge on their own. Because they never practiced doing that as kids. Go get a non fat no dairy latte and think about that for a while.


You are a joke...the population density of LI is significantly greater than the Balt metro area...of course more kids will go onto Div 1 lacrosse...true, there are some very good LI lacrosse players. Challenges, what challenges do kids on LI face...there is a pizza joint every block, strip malls everywhere, the Gold Coast, Garden City...talk about sheltered...come play an MIAA schedule...Baltimore is smaller, but def holds its own vs LI...and don't even argue about sheltered...now go get a couple slives of pepparoni pizza and a bag of zeppoles and mow my lawn!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 06:08 PM
Fake tough is what Baltimore lacrosse is all about. US Lacrosse sets calendar aged club team guidelines, and Maryland runs away to change their youth leagues to grade based soon after it is published. Yeah, I remember when I could beat up on my little brothers friends when I was 12 too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 10/31/14 07:19 PM
Hawks like to eat Crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/01/14 04:57 AM
That's fca
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/01/14 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Baltimore kids are sheltered. Kids who leave the Island for college are prepared. A Crab may be physically bigger, stronger and faster and may even be that without holding back grades in a few instances but they can never have the mental toughness to stand taller and stronger when facing a challenge on their own. Because they never practiced doing that as kids. Go get a non fat no dairy latte and think about that for a while.


You are a joke...the population density of LI is significantly greater than the Balt metro area...of course more kids will go onto Div 1 lacrosse...true, there are some very good LI lacrosse players. Challenges, what challenges do kids on LI face...there is a pizza joint every block, strip malls everywhere, the Gold Coast, Garden City...talk about sheltered...come play an MIAA schedule...Baltimore is smaller, but def holds its own vs LI...and don't even argue about sheltered...now go get a couple slives of pepparoni pizza and a bag of zeppoles and mow my lawn!


Ouch! that is funny if true
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/01/14 12:37 PM
Fact. Long island was grade based before Maryland. The only long island club that went by age was team long island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/01/14 04:24 PM
Bunch of clowns. I could use a few long island dads to rake my leaves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/02/14 03:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bunch of clowns. I could use a few long island dads to rake my leaves.


And then shove them up your arse!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/02/14 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bunch of clowns. I could use a few long island dads to rake my leaves.


You couldn't afford it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/02/14 05:08 PM
About to kick some LI [lacrosse]? That's not working out too well. Crabs 2017s just got curb stomped by LI Turtles. Don't even belong in the same tournament. TALK IS CHEAP.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/02/14 07:05 PM
What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/02/14 07:17 PM
It was 9-0 at half, then 12-1 when I stopped watching to go get coffee. Fake tough is talking trash and then rolling out 21 holdback kids on a roster of 25 2017s and still sucking. Rake your own lawns tough guys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/02/14 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was 9-0 at half, then 12-1 when I stopped watching to go get coffee. Fake tough is talking trash and then rolling out 21 holdback kids on a roster of 25 2017s and still sucking. Rake your own lawns tough guys.


wait. 21 out of 25? how do you know this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/02/14 09:41 PM
Their best players held back and are now playing 2018.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/02/14 11:30 PM
2018 beat LI Express 8-5.
good game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 12:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 beat LI Express 8-5.
good game



I am glad our holdbacks won something.
Posted By: Anonymous Blackwolfe - 11/03/14 12:41 AM
Have a new team/org to rag on.
Take away some venom from long Island and FCA and Crabs.

Have a new Jack [lacrosse] team-fake tough.....
2018 BLACKWOLF....

What a freakin joke.Bunch of Cheap shot bums.
Nearly killed 2 kids with late hits after getting smoked by crabs.
Stopped keeping score.
In front of college coaches.!!!
And You suck!!!
Where are these clowns from????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Blackwolfe - 11/03/14 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have a new team/org to rag on.
Take away some venom from long Island and FCA and Crabs.

Have a new Jack [lacrosse] team-fake tough.....
2018 BLACKWOLF....

What a freakin joke.Bunch of Cheap shot bums.
Nearly killed 2 kids with late hits after getting smoked by crabs.
Stopped keeping score.
In front of college coaches.!!!
And You suck!!!
Where are these clowns from????


Blackwolf is an over-hyped team from dc. Mostly madlax rejects. Had a few good teams a while back but lately mediocre at best
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Blackwolfe - 11/03/14 04:00 AM
A college coach just shook his head in disgust when
Kid took a running head start and hit another
Player when he was on ground defenseless
Then took out notebook and made a note

Good luck in your "uncommitted " camp
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Blackwolfe - 11/03/14 12:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have a new team/org to rag on.
Take away some venom from long Island and FCA and Crabs.

Have a new Jack [lacrosse] team-fake tough.....
2018 BLACKWOLF....

What a freakin joke.Bunch of Cheap shot bums.
Nearly killed 2 kids with late hits after getting smoked by crabs.
Stopped keeping score.
In front of college coaches.!!!
And You suck!!!
Where are these clowns from????


Blackwolf 2018 got introduced (cleanly)to a Hawks Kid #15 I believe then got smoked by the same kid during a braveheart. LOL not so tough after all!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 12:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018 beat LI Express 8-5.
good game


Was a good game-I had 8-6 but crabs definitely controlled second half after being down 5-1. Terps fell apart and crabs just kept fighting. I think these two teams are pretty evenly matched. look forward to the next one...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 02:44 PM
Blackwolf is not new, theyu are a DC based clubn that has been around for years now and did high school invite only teams very successfully in the recent years. It does seem like their teams after the 2015s and 2016s teams which are very good have dropped down a tier. In the recent year or two it seems they have been less successful picking off players who came up via the other local clubs. It is too bad to read that there were sportsmanship issues out there with the 2018s. Another factor is the DC area prep school lacrosse coaches are aggressively getting into non-spring play and are now doing fall leagues and tournaments and summer tournaments. A lot of kids who would have naturally fit to move over to Blackwolf for no-nonsense high level lacrosse in high school now have those other choices.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.


12-2 final
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 06:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.


12-2 final


AGAIN-Crabs 2017 had several players out with injuries.
Congrats to Turtles...
Don't get too goofy over it...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 07:30 PM
Injuries or not a beat down is a beat down
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 07:43 PM
wheres looneys at 2017?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 07:51 PM
Was wondering when the "we had injuries" or " several were sick " would come out to play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 08:37 PM
Watched the FCA teams this past Saturday, horrible conditions,18's looked good, solid across the board, committed lefty attack is really good, a bit on the small side, good group all around, they are the team to beat this year, eager to see them play Crabs as FCA took it to Dukes...As for the 17's, not quite the same story...committed goalie looked inferior to the other, bigger goalie, let in some easy shots... midfield is athletic but inconsistent and indersized, attack was ineffective and the defense was invisible, at one point I saw all short sticks on the field. Not the same team I saw last year...wonder if they use the same injury excuse at the Crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.


12-2 final


AGAIN-Crabs 2017 had several players out with injuries.
Congrats to Turtles...
Don't get too goofy over it...


In all fairness, a number of Crabs were in Florida checking out retirement homes, the faceoff gentleman was getting his prostate checked and one attckman was attending his daughters Bat Mitzvah...tougher to get free when you get older, more responsibilities
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 09:19 PM
Crabs have become a joke. Even the families of kids going to private schools for lacrosse are pulling maneuvers to do a PG year so junior can play college lacrosse. If you already went in for a four year Maryland prep school for lacrosse and it doesn't work, then commit to be a PG for another $60K at a boarding school? Why not just buy the kid a sports car? Cheaper way to address the insecurity and self esteem problems that come with being a Maryland teen who isn't the best lax player for his age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 09:54 PM
Actuall the post-grad year is a quality Long Island move.
Rob Pannell and Myles jones are among the highest profile
Long Island kids. Does it matter in you do it in 9th
grade or 12th grade?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score? Tenacious Turtles have been the best in their class for a long time.


12-2 final


AGAIN-Crabs 2017 had several players out with injuries.
Congrats to Turtles...
Don't get too goofy over it...


Wasnt the result the same at Crabfeast this past summer? Wait...too hot and humid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 10:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actuall the post-grad year is a quality Long Island move.
Rob Pannell and Myles jones are among the highest profile
Long Island kids. Does it matter in you do it in 9th
grade or 12th grade?


Of course it matters. In 9th grade your play is that the kid is bigger and stronger than the little kids a year younger. As a result, he will stand out.

By 12th grade, 98% of the boys are fully grown, size is no longer the play.

PG play is all about--

getting grades up or playing for the specific school you want. In some cases, it used to be about another year of exposure because your HS team had a stud ahead of you and you never saw the field even though you were D-1 material. Today, this doesn't happen because kids are getting recruited in 9th grade before HS ball and as a result of club play...

Yes it matters. the reclass 8/9th graders are gaming the system for the size advantage.

MD parents are smart and figured it out early, the rest of the world is catching on and this will be common place if and when LAX gives full rides at D-1.

Most LI people won't do it now because it is a financial loser.

It is all about the parents ego...JHU anyone?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 10:49 PM
Kids from all over in many sports have been doing PG years to pull up grades for years. I think the point is entirely lost on Maryland parents. It is pathetic to do 8th grade or 9th grade twice into a four year Maryland prep school for lacrosse, and then go again PG at a NE school after not cutting it as a reclassified kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 10:54 PM
Several of the Turtles 2017 players stayed up late watching television and also had a sugary breakfast. It's almost like those mountains to climb were nothing. Sorry to the Crabs, sounds like the most common injury is bruised egos. Get some rest, it's coming again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/03/14 11:41 PM
What Maryland boys are reclassing and then doing a PG year? I don't know
of any?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/04/14 12:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What Maryland boys are reclassing and then doing a PG year? I don't know
of any?


A good start is to look at the Crabs website.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/04/14 01:43 AM
Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/04/14 01:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend


Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/07/14 02:57 AM
Hawks eat crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/07/14 11:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have a new team/org to rag on.
Take away some venom from long Island and FCA and Crabs.

Have a new Jack [lacrosse] team-fake tough.....
2018 BLACKWOLF....

What a freakin joke.Bunch of Cheap shot bums.
Nearly killed 2 kids with late hits after getting smoked by crabs.
Stopped keeping score.
In front of college coaches.!!!
And You suck!!!
Where are these clowns from????


Blackwolf is an over-hyped team from dc. Mostly madlax rejects. Had a few good teams a while back but lately mediocre at best



Wrong. Blackwolf's teams smoke their Madlax counterparts at every grade level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/07/14 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks eat crabs


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/07/14 05:32 PM
Ryan McClernan needs to spend more time running an organization and less time on chat boards. Only then will the Crabs be a class organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/07/14 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ryan McClernan needs to spend more time running an organization and less time on chat boards. Only then will the Crabs be a class organization.


Maybe more time on a treadmill
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/07/14 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks eat crabs


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......


Crabs eat Hawks players once they have been developed.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/07/14 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks eat crabs


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......


NO
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/08/14 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks eat crabs


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......


NO


Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/09/14 02:14 AM
I hear crabs 2020 running away from Sunday enemy in the spring. What you can't beat looneys
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/09/14 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks eat crabs


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......


NO


Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.


Arent most teams full of mid tier players? How many HS starting spots are available. Then after that how many College spots are available. Most of us are just chasing a pipedream .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 03:40 AM
If you knew Hogan, you wouldn't refer to what he has as a cash machine. He's a good guy who knows the players on his teams and gives them great opportunities.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 11:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks eat crabs


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......


NO


Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.


All Hawks tryouts had more than enough kids for an A & B teams at most ages. For those ages where the tryouts were not well attended, only an A team was put together. All Hawks teams have winning records. If Hogan was just in it for the cash, there would be multiple A or B teams at every level and their poor performance would reflect it. He does a great job for the kids that live within 1/2 hr of Annapolis. The Baltimore & DC clubs have a much larger pool of kids to pull from.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 12:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend


Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.


Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend


Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.


Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good


What's Crabs 2021's excuse?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks eat crabs


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......


NO


Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.


All Hawks tryouts had more than enough kids for an A & B teams at most ages. For those ages where the tryouts were not well attended, only an A team was put together. All Hawks teams have winning records. If Hogan was just in it for the cash, there would be multiple A or B teams at every level and their poor performance would reflect it. He does a great job for the kids that live within 1/2 hr of Annapolis. The Baltimore & DC clubs have a much larger pool of kids to pull from.


Much larger pool? But how many teams are there? crabs, breakers, rock, FCA, Greene Turtle, MLC, Zingos, Koopers, Roughriders, Looneys, MD Elite, Bitmore. Should I keep going?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend


Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.


Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good


What's Crabs 2021's excuse?



It will be they were missing kids or the coach wasnt there. Up 5-0 to the the 2021 Hawks and losing in OT......coaching!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend


Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.


Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good


What are you basing this on? Crabs 2022 outplayed Hawks all game until blowing a 2 goal lead in the last minute. Then they lost 4-2 to Manhasset. After that they beat Looneys 16-3. You have to remember, yesterday was the first day that Crabs team ever played together in a game. Considering the Hawks and Manhasset teams have existed for 2-3 years, I would say what the 2022 did yesterday was pretty impressive. We will see in the spring when it comes to Hawks vs Crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks eat crabs


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.......


NO


Hawks have some great kids and parents.
It's a club for the masses.
Hogan has a cash machine going for that mid-tier player.

Then you graduate and go play with a club that can get you exposure.
2015 team has some commits.
Younger kids leaving.....
Ask some 2016 families.... VERY Frustrated.


All Hawks tryouts had more than enough kids for an A & B teams at most ages. For those ages where the tryouts were not well attended, only an A team was put together. All Hawks teams have winning records. If Hogan was just in it for the cash, there would be multiple A or B teams at every level and their poor performance would reflect it. He does a great job for the kids that live within 1/2 hr of Annapolis. The Baltimore & DC clubs have a much larger pool of kids to pull from.


Much larger pool? But how many teams are there? crabs, breakers, rock, FCA, Greene Turtle, MLC, Zingos, Koopers, Roughriders, Looneys, MD Elite, Bitmore. Should I keep going?


Same boat for Annapolis clubs - Sidewinders, Prime, Arden, PLC, Snappers, API, etc. Lots of clubs fighting for kids in the Annapolis pool as well - just a smaller pool. Even more a testament to what Hogan has accomplished (FYI - MD Elite was in Emmitsburg and merged with Lax Factory in Frederick - so they are not really in the Baltimore pool)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend


Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.


Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good


What are you basing this on? Crabs 2022 outplayed Hawks all game until blowing a 2 goal lead in the last minute. Then they lost 4-2 to Manhasset. After that they beat Looneys 16-3. You have to remember, yesterday was the first day that Crabs team ever played together in a game. Considering the Hawks and Manhasset teams have existed for 2-3 years, I would say what the 2022 did yesterday was pretty impressive. We will see in the spring when it comes to Hawks vs Crabs


Crabs younger teams aren't good until they start bringing in the reclassed kids around 6th grade. Lots of good lax in the baltimore area but nothing special until they start cheating and placing older kids against younger kids. Don't have to be a rhodes scholar do know that the older kids will outperform...Great to see the club lose so much yesterday when playing against kids their own age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 04:31 PM
The youth level teams for Crabs will never be heads above the rest again. The sport has grown and there are a lot of great players being developed at many programs. FCA, Madax and Breakers and other clubs also have good coaching and player development. Another reason why is Ryan McClernan is starting to pay for many years of treating people badly and being a bully. That may seem pathetic to Crabs toughies, but lacrosse clubs are youth sport organizations with paying customers. He treats lacrosse families like garbage and expects everyone to keep begging for more so their son can play college lacrosse. Turns out he is not the gatekeeper and there are a lot of competing clubs that develop players who wind up getting college opportunities.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2022 is going down next this weekend


Doubt it. To many players in 5th grade on Crabs team should be in 6th grade.


Bad day to be a crab yesterday. Just because it says Crabs on jersey does not make you a good team. Crabs 2022 not very good


What are you basing this on? Crabs 2022 outplayed Hawks all game until blowing a 2 goal lead in the last minute. Then they lost 4-2 to Manhasset. After that they beat Looneys 16-3. You have to remember, yesterday was the first day that Crabs team ever played together in a game. Considering the Hawks and Manhasset teams have existed for 2-3 years, I would say what the 2022 did yesterday was pretty impressive. We will see in the spring when it comes to Hawks vs Crabs


Crabs younger teams aren't good until they start bringing in the reclassed kids around 6th grade. Lots of good lax in the baltimore area but nothing special until they start cheating and placing older kids against younger kids. Don't have to be a rhodes scholar do know that the older kids will outperform...Great to see the club lose so much yesterday when playing against kids their own age.


There 2021 has many holdbacks on it now. Dont know about holdbacks on GT and Hawks?. But I thought that with their holdbacks and older players that Crabs would have gone 3-0 at GT. I guess I was wrong.
Still a good team . Just not going to dominate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 04:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The youth level teams for Crabs will never be heads above the rest again. The sport has grown and there are a lot of great players being developed at many programs. FCA, Madax and Breakers and other clubs also have good coaching and player development. Another reason why is Ryan McClernan is starting to pay for many years of treating people badly and being a bully. That may seem pathetic to Crabs toughies, but lacrosse clubs are youth sport organizations with paying customers. He treats lacrosse families like garbage and expects everyone to keep begging for more so their son can play college lacrosse. Turns out he is not the gatekeeper and there are a lot of competing clubs that develop players who wind up getting college opportunities.


Let me guess Jack [lacrosse],
Your kid did not make Crabs.

We made the switch and have never been treated better.
Getting more looks and more contact from D1 college coaches than you could imagine.

Also playing with better players.
He gets results..

Get your son on that damn wall......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The youth level teams for Crabs will never be heads above the rest again. The sport has grown and there are a lot of great players being developed at many programs. FCA, Madax and Breakers and other clubs also have good coaching and player development. Another reason why is Ryan McClernan is starting to pay for many years of treating people badly and being a bully. That may seem pathetic to Crabs toughies, but lacrosse clubs are youth sport organizations with paying customers. He treats lacrosse families like garbage and expects everyone to keep begging for more so their son can play college lacrosse. Turns out he is not the gatekeeper and there are a lot of competing clubs that develop players who wind up getting college opportunities.


I agree. With the explosion of Club teams in last couple of years many players at a young age are getting very good instructions.
Baltimore had a lot of good lacrosse players coming out of it in years past. But I think in the next few years there will be a bigger pool of players with talent coming from Baltimore. Of course other areas are also coming on strong too with their talented players..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 05:43 PM
There are so many haters on this board it’s hilarious. If the Crabs win – they’ve cheated. If they lose – they’re @@@holes. “McClernan’s making too much money”… “other programs are stepping up” … “MccClernan’s a jerk to the parents.” uhhh … ok?

There isn’t a successful club program director out there who spends much time catering to hypersensitive, helicopter parents. Call Bryan Kelly or Hogan or Maddex and spell out your vision for Junior’s Division 1 future… or better yet tell them why your eye for lacrosse talent is more developed than theirs … they will all respond similarly … and you’ll post about that too.

Bottom Line: deeeeep down inside you would all jump at the chance to put your little scooper on a Crabs team. Junior’s just not good enough right now and you’re really angry about it. So you will complain and whine until next year when Junior shows up at try-outs again and the cycle continues.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are so many haters on this board it’s hilarious. If the Crabs win – they’ve cheated. If they lose – they’re @@@holes. “McClernan’s making too much money”… “other programs are stepping up” … “MccClernan’s a jerk to the parents.” uhhh … ok?

There isn’t a successful club program director out there who spends much time catering to hypersensitive, helicopter parents. Call Bryan Kelly or Hogan or Maddex and spell out your vision for Junior’s Division 1 future… or better yet tell them why your eye for lacrosse talent is more developed than theirs … they will all respond similarly … and you’ll post about that too.

Bottom Line: deeeeep down inside you would all jump at the chance to put your little scooper on a Crabs team. Junior’s just not good enough right now and you’re really angry about it. So you will complain and whine until next year when Junior shows up at try-outs again and the cycle continues.


They'll "jump at the chance" once they get held back in 7th grade...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 07:58 PM
How did FCA _Crabs game at Hopkins yesterday go?
2018's??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 08:57 PM
Crabs won 10-6
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 09:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did FCA _Crabs game at Hopkins yesterday go?
2018's??


How about 91 Extreme v Crabs 2018?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 09:43 PM
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 10:16 PM
We left Crabs for a better program. Deep down, nobody cares that much about you Ryan to take the fake tough talk from a guy who never played the game, never played a college sport or competed at a high level in any sport. And yes, my kid is a high level D1 commit, but thank you for your concerns.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 10:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


and just wait till they get into 6th grade and our holds kick in. You won't be smiling then.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about 91 Extreme v Crabs 2018?



91 won 8-6.

the 91 fogo was outstanding....won 80%+....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 10:42 PM
91 won 8-6 over crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 10:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


FYI hawks 2022 is average at best team for this age group.
Yes maybe crabs first game as crabs but not first time playing lacrosee. What else you got. NY team you lost to is a town team not a club team not even in the top ten LI teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 11:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


and just wait till they get into 6th grade and our holds kick in. You won't be smiling then.


You're an idiot. You really think Crabs is the only team that has hold backs? There are just as many on Breakers and FCA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 11:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


It's not hating. It's the same reason everyone rushes the court when they beat duke. You can't dominate for years and then get pissed off and offer up lame excuses when the teams you beat up on occasionally get a win.

What's the excuse for the 2021 crabs that lost to 2021 Hawks after taking 4 of the starting Hawks from last year's team.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/10/14 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


and just wait till they get into 6th grade and our holds kick in. You won't be smiling then.


You're an idiot. You really think Crabs is the only team that has hold backs? There are just as many on Breakers and FCA.


Factually incorrect. There is not a program in Baltimore with the number of holdbacks - across all of the older teams - that the Crabs have. No other program comes remotely close.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 12:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


and just wait till they get into 6th grade and our holds kick in. You won't be smiling then.



You're an idiot. You really think Crabs is the only team that has hold backs? There are just as many on Breakers and FCA.


Factually incorrect. There is not a program in Baltimore with the number of holdbacks - across all of the older teams - that the Crabs have. No other program comes remotely close.


That is correct. Crabs have the prize for most holdbacks. Ryan has said many times to parents he encourages it for developement
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


It's not hating. It's the same reason everyone rushes the court when they beat duke. You can't dominate for years and then get pissed off and offer up lame excuses when the teams you beat up on occasionally get a win.

What's the excuse for the 2021 crabs that lost to 2021 Hawks after taking 4 of the starting Hawks from last year's team.




Thats interesting ..4 starters left Hawks and Hawks beat them . Thats gotta feel good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 01:27 AM
I'm not a crab parent. My kid would likely not make the crabs. He's young for his grade and still filling out, and although he has some high level skill, he likely wouldn't be get picked for a crabs team -- bigger, stronger, faster. We play for a competitive program in Baltimore and we'll wait and see how it goes.

That said, if you are discussing programs which have turned out some incredibly successful players and prepared them for the next LACROSSE level, there isn't another program in Baltimore with an equally successful track record... Period. The crabs are mercenaries... They pick the very best in their class and they play the very best... And their kids move on to play great lacrosse for prominent schools... Period. If that's how you define success, then the crabs have everyone beat...Period.

"Left for a better program". I doubt it. There is always more to the story. My kid plays for one of those "better programs" and when I meet a family coming from the crabs... Inevitably there is more to the story.

McClernan "Never played college lacrosse" so he must suck... Uhhh .... Professional sports and business in general is chock full of people who create winning organizations and never played the game at a high level. My opinion --- a lot of these guys over 40 who were lax all stars and coach lax all teams would not have played the game at the same level if they were college athletes today... Look at them... And then look at the rosters of D 1 today. The game has changed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 03:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a crab parent. My kid would likely not make the crabs. He's young for his grade and still filling out, and although he has some high level skill, he likely wouldn't be get picked for a crabs team -- bigger, stronger, faster. We play for a competitive program in Baltimore and we'll wait and see how it goes.

That said, if you are discussing programs which have turned out some incredibly successful players and prepared them for the next LACROSSE level, there isn't another program in Baltimore with an equally successful track record... Period. The crabs are mercenaries... They pick the very best in their class and they play the very best... And their kids move on to play great lacrosse for prominent schools... Period. If that's how you define success, then the crabs have everyone beat...Period.

"Left for a better program". I doubt it. There is always more to the story. My kid plays for one of those "better programs" and when I meet a family coming from the crabs... Inevitably there is more to the story.

McClernan "Never played college lacrosse" so he must suck... Uhhh .... Professional sports and business in general is chock full of people who create winning organizations and never played the game at a high level. My opinion --- a lot of these guys over 40 who were lax all stars and coach lax all teams would not have played the game at the same level if they were college athletes today... Look at them... And then look at the rosters of D 1 today. The game has changed.


Well said...
Baltimore Crabs id hands down the best program in the DMV
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 03:17 AM
I agree, best in Baltimore. All the others are extension of rec.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 12:11 PM
Crabs the best in Baltimore at one time. But like all good things it comes to a end. Times are a changing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 12:55 PM
Please, there are good teams at different grad years. The good ones will leave for crabs for a few reasons. Name and to get away from daddy ball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


FYI hawks 2022 is average at best team for this age group.
Yes maybe crabs first game as crabs but not first time playing lacrosee. What else you got. NY team you lost to is a town team not a club team not even in the top ten LI teams.


I would agree with most of what the prior poster states, however, Manhasset's town team beat every other travel club on LI last year except for Team 91's "A" Team, to say "not even in the top ten LI teams" is [lacrosse].
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 02:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a crab parent. My kid would likely not make the crabs. He's young for his grade and still filling out, and although he has some high level skill, he likely wouldn't be get picked for a crabs team -- bigger, stronger, faster. We play for a competitive program in Baltimore and we'll wait and see how it goes.

That said, if you are discussing programs which have turned out some incredibly successful players and prepared them for the next LACROSSE level, there isn't another program in Baltimore with an equally successful track record... Period. The crabs are mercenaries... They pick the very best in their class and they play the very best... And their kids move on to play great lacrosse for prominent schools... Period. If that's how you define success, then the crabs have everyone beat...Period.

"Left for a better program". I doubt it. There is always more to the story. My kid plays for one of those "better programs" and when I meet a family coming from the crabs... Inevitably there is more to the story.

McClernan "Never played college lacrosse" so he must suck... Uhhh .... Professional sports and business in general is chock full of people who create winning organizations and never played the game at a high level. My opinion --- a lot of these guys over 40 who were lax all stars and coach lax all teams would not have played the game at the same level if they were college athletes today... Look at them... And then look at the rosters of D 1 today. The game has changed.


This post was obviously written by Ryan McClernan. I don't define better as being on the best club team winning the most "ships" as King Crab loves tweeting about. I define it as player development and there are programs doing it better with specialist coaches at positions like FoGo and goalie. Want specialist instruction at Crabs? Go to a clinic or camp. There isn't any doubt Crabs spent most of the last decade kicking everyone's teeth in and placing many more players into college than all others. That said, all others locally were not around 10 years ago and many like FCA were not around even 3-4 years ago. Look how much that gap closed even in the past year at the youth levels. Yes, Crabs ogle and market to get the best players from other programs to come over. Paul Rabil was a Crab? Yes, when he was finishing up high school. The signature Crabs player started somewhere else. But now, that seems to work less or not at all. Years of arse kissing later Crabs didn't get the Breakers or FCA Baltimore area commits to come over and these are kids who organically came up at those programs and are ACC, Big 10 or other big program commits. The Crabs tribal dance over being the 800 pound gorilla for 10+ years is at best misleading. For most of that time they were the only animal specie in a very small jungle. And it again comes down to how people are treated. My Kim didn't get cut, he wanted another program with better player development because winning 'ships on a high school club team does nothing to advance his game. Yes, team mommies ask about former Crabs. Some kids cut, but a growing trend is they just leave to go elsewhere for some reason...friends, coaching preferences or club philosophy change. And sometimes there is a lot more to the story, and that is usually that Ryan is disliked and not fogotten quickly enough for treating people poorly or unprofessionally. Kind of like the Madlax pounding, you hear something once maybe you look past. You hear it over and over, and...

Ever notice how Crabs are always outraged on this thread and turn the bully fast? Yeah, that works out great in a youth sport for a long time...until something better comes along and is available. Like Breakers, FCA, etc all of whom can now compete with or beat Crabs youth and HS teams on a given day
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


FYI hawks 2022 is average at best team for this age group.
Yes maybe crabs first game as crabs but not first time playing lacrosee. What else you got. NY team you lost to is a town team not a club team not even in the top ten LI teams.


Not sure of any town teams down here that cost $1000 to play for.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs the best in Baltimore at one time. But like all good things it comes to a end. Times are a changing.


Really???? The times are changing? Show me one other club that came anywhere near to matching what Crabs graduated last year.

Tal Bruno - Mid - BL JHU
Shack Stanwick - Att - BL JHU
Hunter Moreland - Mid - BL JHU
Brinton Valis - Mid - Mcdonogh JHU
Chase Campbell - Def - Gilman UVA
Tyler Ruhl - Att - Gilman ND
Pierre Byrne - Att - Culver ND
Erik Evans - Def - CHC OSU
Brendan Barger -LPM - Gilman OSU
Colin Chell - ATT - BL OSU
Brock Turnbaugh - Goal - Hereford JHU
Jesse Uhlman - Mid - Westminster TU
William McBride - Mid - Gilman UNC
Calvin Livingston - Def - McDonogh TU
Chase Wittich - Att - Gilman Colgate
Chris Anderson - Mid - Loyola Brown
Whit Schweizer - LPM - SP Washington College
Pat McManus - Mid - BL Washington College
Brandon Aro - Def - Rising Sun Navy
Andrew Gemma - Mid - Gilman Tufts
Peter Brown - Mid - Gilman Sewanee
​Keegan O'Connor - Mid - BL UMD
Michael Alderman - Mid - Loyola Hamilton College
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a crab parent. My kid would likely not make the crabs. He's young for his grade and still filling out, and although he has some high level skill, he likely wouldn't be get picked for a crabs team -- bigger, stronger, faster. We play for a competitive program in Baltimore and we'll wait and see how it goes.

That said, if you are discussing programs which have turned out some incredibly successful players and prepared them for the next LACROSSE level, there isn't another program in Baltimore with an equally successful track record... Period. The crabs are mercenaries... They pick the very best in their class and they play the very best... And their kids move on to play great lacrosse for prominent schools... Period. If that's how you define success, then the crabs have everyone beat...Period.

"Left for a better program". I doubt it. There is always more to the story. My kid plays for one of those "better programs" and when I meet a family coming from the crabs... Inevitably there is more to the story.

McClernan "Never played college lacrosse" so he must suck... Uhhh .... Professional sports and business in general is chock full of people who create winning organizations and never played the game at a high level. My opinion --- a lot of these guys over 40 who were lax all stars and coach lax all teams would not have played the game at the same level if they were college athletes today... Look at them... And then look at the rosters of D 1 today. The game has changed.


This post was obviously written by Ryan McClernan. I don't define better as being on the best club team winning the most "ships" as King Crab loves tweeting about. I define it as player development and there are programs doing it better with specialist coaches at positions like FoGo and goalie. Want specialist instruction at Crabs? Go to a clinic or camp. There isn't any doubt Crabs spent most of the last decade kicking everyone's teeth in and placing many more players into college than all others. That said, all others locally were not around 10 years ago and many like FCA were not around even 3-4 years ago. Look how much that gap closed even in the past year at the youth levels. Yes, Crabs ogle and market to get the best players from other programs to come over. Paul Rabil was a Crab? Yes, when he was finishing up high school. The signature Crabs player started somewhere else. But now, that seems to work less or not at all. Years of arse kissing later Crabs didn't get the Breakers or FCA Baltimore area commits to come over and these are kids who organically came up at those programs and are ACC, Big 10 or other big program commits. The Crabs tribal dance over being the 800 pound gorilla for 10+ years is at best misleading. For most of that time they were the only animal specie in a very small jungle. And it again comes down to how people are treated. My Kim didn't get cut, he wanted another program with better player development because winning 'ships on a high school club team does nothing to advance his game. Yes, team mommies ask about former Crabs. Some kids cut, but a growing trend is they just leave to go elsewhere for some reason...friends, coaching preferences or club philosophy change. And sometimes there is a lot more to the story, and that is usually that Ryan is disliked and not fogotten quickly enough for treating people poorly or unprofessionally. Kind of like the Madlax pounding, you hear something once maybe you look past. You hear it over and over, and...

Ever notice how Crabs are always outraged on this thread and turn the bully fast? Yeah, that works out great in a youth sport for a long time...until something better comes along and is available. Like Breakers, FCA, etc all of whom can now compete with or beat Crabs youth and HS teams on a given day


Breakers?? They can't even fill out their youth teams. Their 2019 team won about 3 games last year. I agree, Crabs was the elephant for years, but honestly, Breakers was a close second. If you want to talk about a club falling off, it's Breakers, not Crabs. The clubs are coning up with all this "Developmental Programs" to offer something different. Don't act like it's an extra perc as opposed to Crabs pushing you to their camps. Breakers new "Developmental Program" that Mark is pushing down everyone's throats is costing parents an extra $700 bucks this year pushing the total price to play for Breakers up near $2500. I asked a 2019 parent what they are getting for the extra $700 and he said hopefully a couple more wins. Every club has faults. If you think Mark Millon is any less arrogant than Ryan you're kidding yourself. Every club is out to get the best kids, to get their kids the most "Ships". It's a wicked game that we all choose to be a part of. All parents can do is what they feel is right for their kid. For some it's Crabs, others it's Breakers or FCA. I have boys at multiple clubs. My son on Crabs is there because he wanted to be. Most of the kids on their team always wanted to be on Crabs and a lot of them were cut at one point. It's not the parents in many of these cases pushing them there. The perception amongst a lot of the kids is that Crabs is the best and that's where they want to be. Until the perception changes things will stay the same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs the best in Baltimore at one time. But like all good things it comes to a end. Times are a changing.


Really???? The times are changing? Show me one other club that came anywhere near to matching what Crabs graduated last year.

Tal Bruno - Mid - BL JHU
Shack Stanwick - Att - BL JHU
Hunter Moreland - Mid - BL JHU
Brinton Valis - Mid - Mcdonogh JHU
Chase Campbell - Def - Gilman UVA
Tyler Ruhl - Att - Gilman ND
Pierre Byrne - Att - Culver ND
Erik Evans - Def - CHC OSU
Brendan Barger -LPM - Gilman OSU
Colin Chell - ATT - BL OSU
Brock Turnbaugh - Goal - Hereford JHU
Jesse Uhlman - Mid - Westminster TU
William McBride - Mid - Gilman UNC
Calvin Livingston - Def - McDonogh TU
Chase Wittich - Att - Gilman Colgate
Chris Anderson - Mid - Loyola Brown
Whit Schweizer - LPM - SP Washington College
Pat McManus - Mid - BL Washington College
Brandon Aro - Def - Rising Sun Navy
Andrew Gemma - Mid - Gilman Tufts
Peter Brown - Mid - Gilman Sewanee
​Keegan O'Connor - Mid - BL UMD
Michael Alderman - Mid - Loyola Hamilton College


How many of these kids were with the Crabs for more than a year or two?

I was getting the impression that Crabs were just becoming an East Coast all star team that went to a couple tournaments together with minimal practices and development.

I had heard that even the sons of competing clubs will join the crabs all star tour just for the visibility of skills learned elsewhere.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 03:27 PM
A list of 2014 commits? Really? The point is that lacrosse has moved in past 3-4 years and that is the same 3-4 years that has shown new clubs. The 2014 HS class is a prime exemplar of the past. You see another great 2015 commits list for Crabs, and then the 2016s has a drop off and the 2017s another drop off. Yes, some great players and commits but the same number of commits as FCA and Breakers. And no...you don't have FCA kids auditioning to be Crabs or kids from DC craving to leave their clubs to drive up or Annapolis kids looking beyond the new 3d thing growing over there for a change. There is a lot of great lacrosse In Maryland now and it isn't going back to the good ole Crabs roll everyone over years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You haters are all idiots. Yes Crabs 2022 lost to Hawks. In OT. After controlling the whole game. After blowing a 2 goal lead in last minute. Don't mention that Hawks teams start in 3rd grade and Sunday was the first time this Crabs team has played together. So keep pounding your chest that in your third year together you beat a team that has practiced three times.


FYI hawks 2022 is average at best team for this age group.
Yes maybe crabs first game as crabs but not first time playing lacrosee. What else you got. NY team you lost to is a town team not a club team not even in the top ten LI teams.


Hawks is an average team at 2022 that went 8-2 and lost in the finals of the NPYLL??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A list of 2014 commits? Really? The point is that lacrosse has moved in past 3-4 years and that is the same 3-4 years that has shown new clubs. The 2014 HS class is a prime exemplar of the past. You see another great 2015 commits list for Crabs, and then the 2016s has a drop off and the 2017s another drop off. Yes, some great players and commits but the same number of commits as FCA and Breakers. And no...you don't have FCA kids auditioning to be Crabs or kids from DC craving to leave their clubs to drive up or Annapolis kids looking beyond the new 3d thing growing over there for a change. There is a lot of great lacrosse In Maryland now and it isn't going back to the good ole Crabs roll everyone over years.


So the 16 2016 kids committed to D1 schools, 12 of which are going to teams ranked in the top 15 is a drop off? And the 7 sophomores committed to JHU, Penn, OSU and Harvard is a drop off? You really think Breakers or FCA rival that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 06:14 PM
FCA has kids headed to ACC and Big 10 programs, but is a bit more discrete to publicize it. Clearly FCA isn't a shabby place to play ball if that is the measure, and consider that this program is less than 3 years old. And back on point, the quality of a club program is not the body count of kids playing college. A lot of Crabs kids were developed by other programs but are listed for having played there in the twilight of youth or HS club. The Stanwicks grew up as Crabs and that is great for Crabs. Paul Rabil's picture in a Crabs uni on the website? Come on...PR played a few Crabs tourneys as a late teen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 07:15 PM
Notable MIAA out-of-area games from 2014:
BL - beat Trinity Pawling and Gonzaga (and everyone else for that matter)
St. Paul's - lost to Hill Academy, G'Town Prep and Haverford
Loyola - lost to Haverford, Malvern Prep and St. Joe's Prep
Calvert Hall - lost to Conestoga by 1
Gilman - lost to Haverford by 2
McD - lost to Culver by a couple

Other than BL, the MIAA powerhouses all lost to out-of-area teams. Nothing wrong with that either. I love watching those games, they are a great start to the season. But, it's likely that each MIAA school has at least one player on one of the top-notch local club teams. Each club can run their operations as they see fit. Instead of arguing over different business models, shouldn't each club WANT to work with other local clubs to make Baltimore lacrosse the best it can be?

My kid doesn't play Crabs but loves to play against them. Gets better for doing so. Stop with the silliness and make the players better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 07:56 PM

So the 16 2016 kids committed to D1 schools, 12 of which are going to teams ranked in the top 15 is a drop off? And the 7 sophomores committed to JHU, Penn, OSU and Harvard is a drop off? You really think Breakers or FCA rival that? [/quote]

Only Crabs have the gall to list commits that aren't confirmed on their website. Nothing destroys credibility more than lying or lacking discretion. A 2016/17s one the program doesn't confirm or encourage commits listed before junior year, and one other Ivy commit listed is, ehem, not even offered. That Ivy program is recruiting at that position still and is an Ivy ok with public commits. Fools braggary.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 16 2016 kids committed to D1 schools, 12 of which are going to teams ranked in the top 15 is a drop off? And the 7 sophomores committed to JHU, Penn, OSU and Harvard is a drop off? You really think Breakers or FCA rival that?


Only Crabs have the gall to list commits that aren't confirmed on their website. Nothing destroys credibility more than lying or lacking discretion. A 2016/17s one the program doesn't confirm or encourage commits listed before junior year, and one other Ivy commit listed is, ehem, not even offered. That Ivy program is recruiting at that position still and is an Ivy ok with public commits. Fools braggary. [/quote]

Someone seems to be out of the loop with regard to Ivy commits to the application process. Of the 7 Ivy programs all but 2 are quietly announcing commits to the process for the 2017 class. Look it up. You can find them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 09:14 PM
You are right instead of posting their commits fca and breakers tweet them out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/11/14 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the 16 2016 kids committed to D1 schools, 12 of which are going to teams ranked in the top 15 is a drop off? And the 7 sophomores committed to JHU, Penn, OSU and Harvard is a drop off? You really think Breakers or FCA rival that?


Only Crabs have the gall to list commits that aren't confirmed on their website. Nothing destroys credibility more than lying or lacking discretion. A 2016/17s one the program doesn't confirm or encourage commits listed before junior year, and one other Ivy commit listed is, ehem, not even offered. That Ivy program is recruiting at that position still and is an Ivy ok with public commits. Fools braggary.


Yes....exactly. Now go back to the Crabs page for the inaccuracies and on those two programs private and the lying on one that is not private. Yes, someone does need a lesson.

Someone seems to be out of the loop with regard to Ivy commits to the application process. Of the 7 Ivy programs all but 2 are quietly announcing commits to the process for the 2017 class. Look it up. You can find them. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/12/14 05:09 PM
Writeup on the FCA, 91, Crabs games from Sunday. http://rising.3dlacrosse.com/3d-rising/crabs-team-91-fca-draw-top-recruiters-johns-hopkins
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/12/14 05:26 PM
None of these kids have a guarantee until they are at this time of year senior year and sign an NLI. For Ivy kids where there are no scholarships they don't get admissions letters until the early decision batch goes out in December of senior year. Parents and club people should be less excitable about these kids college verbal plans. It is a nice accomplishment to be recruited and few kids can get that from top programs, so congrats. But for a kid to go all the way through high school as Johnny Doe (UNC commit) or Joey Doe (UVa commit) is pretty silly. How about the kid and parents proudly noting the school they go to now and leave at that? At some level it is just silly for kids to walk around like tyhey are Tarheels or Blue Jays before doign anything on a high school field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/12/14 06:25 PM
Kids didn't create the system but are playing within it. So, if your kid got committed, you wouldn't be happy? If a coach verbally gave your kid 30% of his tuition in 9th grade, you would think that was silly?

It seems that the kid and his family should be happy and proud and the rest of us are just wishing it was our kid to avoid 2 years of pressure filled sidelines.

Last week at big four, there were literally 20 coaches watching the 2018 games and less than half of that watching the 2017 games.

Let these people brag a little about their kids accomplishments and keep the fact that you think it is silly to yourself...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/12/14 06:42 PM
I agree people will always do what people do. It is always hardest to be happy for someone who has what you want to have. Or what you think you should have. I like that they are taking them early it makes it easier to find your sons spot to play. If it was like football you have to deal with this huge rush in a 12 or 18 month window or less to find the best spot for your son to play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/12/14 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kids didn't create the system but are playing within it. So, if your kid got committed, you wouldn't be happy? If a coach verbally gave your kid 30% of his tuition in 9th grade, you would think that was silly?

It seems that the kid and his family should be happy and proud and the rest of us are just wishing it was our kid to avoid 2 years of pressure filled sidelines.

Last week at big four, there were literally 20 coaches watching the 2018 games and less than half of that watching the 2017 games.

Let these people brag a little about their kids accomplishments and keep the fact that you think it is silly to yourself...


Why is there pressure? These kids literally stop enjoying this sport in 8th grade and it is all the fault of the club guys and pushy parents. The holy grail is a 30% voucher at hopkins. Well, that isn't too impressive. If you need the money the financial aid office would deliver at least that leaving you paying forty grand a year for four years. This is more pathetic than aspiring actors wearing rolexes and driving leased bmws in Hollywood on credit cards. Yeah be happy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 01:34 PM
If my son was an early recruit I would be proud to. But I think early recruiting is terrible for the sport. It has lead to the players and their parents putting more of an emphasis on 4th thru 8th grade. The clubs have exploded exploiting this dilemma with parents. I believe this grade base garbage in youth sports is a direct result of this. Along with more parents deciding to hold their child back at a latter grade too. The pressure being put on this kids by their parents and coaches before they are 14 is sheer nonsense and not good for the majority of kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 02:17 PM
Presure is good and the only ones that care about it for more then a hour or two is the parents. 14 and 15 year old boys care about this stuff when they are there but the sec. they get to there phone or home they are back to calling girls and playing video games. Us parents are the ones up at night thinking about it. They are fine. Kids quit when they are not the best anymore not when they have presure on them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Presure is good and the only ones that care about it for more then a hour or two is the parents. 14 and 15 year old boys care about this stuff when they are there but the sec. they get to there phone or home they are back to calling girls and playing video games. Us parents are the ones up at night thinking about it. They are fine. Kids quit when they are not the best anymore not when they have presure on them.


Comment leads me to wonder if you have a 14-15 year old lacrosse player. These kids are absorbed into the lacrosse social media tsunami 24/7. Checking twitter accounts and blogs for who is committed, etc. I've hated this recruiting insanity for my oldest and now his middle school younger brother is starting it earlier and worse than his older brother and his mates. Quite honestly I now wish they chose another sport or activity. Other sports aren't like this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 03:09 PM
Well Basketball and Baseball are for sure like this. Football is not like this because there is really no off season full contact teams. Also if your son is thinking about college more then most 14 year olds that is a good thing. And with Lacrosse the best part is they relize you have to have the grades to go to these schools. As a fomer D1AA football player I can tell you all we thought about was getting a 2.0 and a 880 on the SAT. With lacrosse the kids talk about what AP classes are you taking what is your GPA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Presure is good and the only ones that care about it for more then a hour or two is the parents. 14 and 15 year old boys care about this stuff when they are there but the sec. they get to there phone or home they are back to calling girls and playing video games. Us parents are the ones up at night thinking about it. They are fine. Kids quit when they are not the best anymore not when they have presure on them.


Pressure is good for 14 and 15 year ??, I assume you feel that same way for 13 and 12 as that age will lead to being on a good team at 14 and 15. I guess in your world no sense giving them a childhood at all.No wonder the majority of children quit sports at 12-13..To much thinking like this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 04:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well Basketball and Baseball are for sure like this. Football is not like this because there is really no off season full contact teams. Also if your son is thinking about college more then most 14 year olds that is a good thing. And with Lacrosse the best part is they relize you have to have the grades to go to these schools. As a fomer D1AA football player I can tell you all we thought about was getting a 2.0 and a 880 on the SAT. With lacrosse the kids talk about what AP classes are you taking what is your GPA.


Baseball and Basketball are hardly like Lacrosse now. Neither give letter of intents at 8-9 grade. And many athletes think about grades..not just lax players..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Presure is good and the only ones that care about it for more then a hour or two is the parents. 14 and 15 year old boys care about this stuff when they are there but the sec. they get to there phone or home they are back to calling girls and playing video games. Us parents are the ones up at night thinking about it. They are fine. Kids quit when they are not the best anymore not when they have presure on them.


Pressure is good for 14 and 15 year ??, I assume you feel that same way for 13 and 12 as that age will lead to being on a good team at 14 and 15. I guess in your world no sense giving them a childhood at all.No wonder the majority of children quit sports at 12-13..To much thinking like this.


Amen. Most lacrosse parents did nothing in their day as athletes. Leave be alone. If you kid is not an exceptional athlete there is little you can do to make it so. I agree somewhat with the prior poster about basketball and baseball, but let's all remember that those are different sports. In those sports you have hundreds and hundreds of colleges giving full scholarships and if the kid is gifted enough there is a possibility of a career playing those sports. In lacrosse, neither is the case.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 05:29 PM
I have been around youth sports for 20 years and the kids do not quit because of presure they quit when they are not the best or they can not handle not being good with out trying.Sports are like life. You have to deal with the hard/ crappy parts to have and be good at the good parts. How many people work with someone that is smart enough to be the boss but they are scared of the presure and spotlight of being the boss. Kids today are blind to the real world in everything they do. The more they can see the real world the better they will be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have been around youth sports for 20 years and the kids do not quit because of presure they quit when they are not the best or they can not handle not being good with out trying.Sports are like life. You have to deal with the hard/ crappy parts to have and be good at the good parts. How many people work with someone that is smart enough to be the boss but they are scared of the presure and spotlight of being the boss. Kids today are blind to the real world in everything they do. The more they can see the real world the better they will be.


You have been around sports for 20 years and learned nothing then. Kids love sports. It is the best part of being a kid and the fastest and best way to make lasting friendships for a boy. Outside of the lacrosse myopia are millions of high school kids playing JV sports and playing HS varsity sports for no ambition beyond winning a letter and having a heck of a lot of fun. Can't suit up for the team when you are 40. It crushes me to read people think it is ok that kids take off the helmet for the last time and pick up the remote as an early teen because a sport has been designed to be no fun at all. The elite kids in any sport happen anyways. I played youth hockey with a guy who made the NHL. It was ok for me to play all through high school and love it, and I loved it no less than he did. He was just luckier to be able to play a kids' game longer. Whoever wrote this never did "it". Make All America, do anything great. Nobody who did anything great in a sport and was rewarded would ever write that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 06:13 PM
You say that early recuiting makes kids quit the sport they love. And you say they have no fun because there is 8-9 grade kids talking to colleges. How do these two things compare. Kids in the 80s cared about winning and losing the same as kids do today. Just because today they have a large web of teams and ways to bring the better kids together does not mean they have less fun. The only stress is on the parents and there pocket books. If you let this stress get passed down on them thats on you as a parent. But as for the kids they love playing more and playing the best kids the can play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 07:21 PM
your a joke
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 07:41 PM
Sorry I started this by suggesting that we all just let the kids that get recruited early (and their parents) brag a little bit and enjoy the moment. Committing to any of the big lax schools is an accomplishment that the kids should be proud of.

Getting 30% to JHU is a big deal as most of the people (not all) reading this with kids playing at this top tier are not going to qualify for aid.

For the guy that thinks he is qualifying for aid, I suggest you go on line and fill out one of those need based calculators, you will be surprised when it says you get nothing...

My kid hasn't committed (but is talking to coaches from 3 schools)and when he looks at the side lines and sees them, I know he feels pressure to perform. Not sure if that pressure is good or bad, only time will tell, but there is certainly pressure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 07:58 PM
I think the biggest problem today is that parents indulge their kids emotions rather managing them. If a kid is still developing and doesn't play as much as other kids, it's definitely "old school" for a parent to say you need to work harder, wait your turn, be ready when the time comes and take nothing for granted. Instead, many modern parents "share" their concern and then their kids may "stop having fun" because they (and their parents) expect (them) to be a star and they are not, yet. Anyway, at least at the MS level and where you have a good coach that doesn't forget to make the game fun even as he expects them to work hard, that's my perspective on why kids "burn out."
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 08:01 PM
My kid has committed early --true 2018. I don't really understand why anyone cares other than my family. He got a very good deal at a very strong academic and lax school. We spent two days there and loved the school and the coach.

People have said it is too early--for us it is perfect, for you too early. what if the coach quits? we will meet the new coach and if it is a fit and if that coach wants my son on the same terms we will stay. If not, he will call the other five that wanted him. what if the coach renegs? I guess that can happen and we will deal with it then, but my opinion, and one of the reasons we chose that school, the coach has a stellar reputation and I think he is a good man...

What is the harm to you or anyone if my kid commits early? Your kid doesn't have to, he should just tell coaches (if any are interested) that he will not be ready to make decisions until he is in 11th grade...so why do you care what/when my son commits? I suspect that more often than not, the people who complain are the one's staying up the night after a prospect day or fall tourney waiting for that call from the club, but it just hasn't come yet...

For all of you that fall in that camp, I really wish you good luck and hope you get the call. It is exciting!

I have never been a D-1 athlete so I have no experience to compare. While we are proud of my son, I have others that also aren't athletically gifted but excell in other things. Let your kid choose his passion and he/she will succeed. Choose it for them and they will quit/fail...

early recruiting is good for my family but that doesn't mean it is good for yours.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/13/14 10:02 PM
some ms coaches don't see it and then preach this exactly but they are the ones that are wharped about their on kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid has committed early --true 2018. I don't really understand why anyone cares other than my family. He got a very good deal at a very strong academic and lax school. We spent two days there and loved the school and the coach.

People have said it is too early--for us it is perfect, for you too early. what if the coach quits? we will meet the new coach and if it is a fit and if that coach wants my son on the same terms we will stay. If not, he will call the other five that wanted him. what if the coach renegs? I guess that can happen and we will deal with it then, but my opinion, and one of the reasons we chose that school, the coach has a stellar reputation and I think he is a good man...

What is the harm to you or anyone if my kid commits early? Your kid doesn't have to, he should just tell coaches (if any are interested) that he will not be ready to make decisions until he is in 11th grade...so why do you care what/when my son commits? I suspect that more often than not, the people who complain are the one's staying up the night after a prospect day or fall tourney waiting for that call from the club, but it just hasn't come yet...

For all of you that fall in that camp, I really wish you good luck and hope you get the call. It is exciting!

I have never been a D-1 athlete so I have no experience to compare. While we are proud of my son, I have others that also aren't athletically gifted but excell in other things. Let your kid choose his passion and he/she will succeed. Choose it for them and they will quit/fail...

early recruiting is good for my family but that doesn't mean it is good for yours.


VERY WELL SAID,
My son is a 2018 too.
He is just not ready yet and we are slowing the process down.
He likes some schools that wait a little longer to commit kids.

Several schools interested-NO PRESUURE.
We are going to take our time.

But it IS FUN!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the biggest problem today is that parents indulge their kids emotions rather managing them. If a kid is still developing and doesn't play as much as other kids, it's definitely "old school" for a parent to say you need to work harder, wait your turn, be ready when the time comes and take nothing for granted. Instead, many modern parents "share" their concern and then their kids may "stop having fun" because they (and their parents) expect (them) to be a star and they are not, yet. Anyway, at least at the MS level and where you have a good coach that doesn't forget to make the game fun even as he expects them to work hard, that's my perspective on why kids "burn out."


I like your perspective. I am a coach for my sons (3) teams, and I don't favor any kids, including my own. They have to earn their time on the field as they get older. At the younger ages, all kids should play as evenly as possible and in multiple positions.
But all along the way, there will always be kids that are better: better stick skills, field sense, stronger, faster, etc.
Athletics can parallel life in general. You might not be as fast, as strong, etc, but if you work hard you will always compete.
Keeping it fun for the kids is the main thing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 02:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid has committed early --true 2018. I don't really understand why anyone cares other than my family. He got a very good deal at a very strong academic and lax school. We spent two days there and loved the school and the coach.

People have said it is too early--for us it is perfect, for you too early. what if the coach quits? we will meet the new coach and if it is a fit and if that coach wants my son on the same terms we will stay. If not, he will call the other five that wanted him. what if the coach renegs? I guess that can happen and we will deal with it then, but my opinion, and one of the reasons we chose that school, the coach has a stellar reputation and I think he is a good man...

What is the harm to you or anyone if my kid commits early? Your kid doesn't have to, he should just tell coaches (if any are interested) that he will not be ready to make decisions until he is in 11th grade...so why do you care what/when my son commits? I suspect that more often than not, the people who complain are the one's staying up the night after a prospect day or fall tourney waiting for that call from the club, but it just hasn't come yet...

For all of you that fall in that camp, I really wish you good luck and hope you get the call. It is exciting!

I have never been a D-1 athlete so I have no experience to compare. While we are proud of my son, I have others that also aren't athletically gifted but excell in other things. Let your kid choose his passion and he/she will succeed. Choose it for them and they will quit/fail...

early recruiting is good for my family but that doesn't mean it is good for yours.

It may be good for you and I would be a happy person in your shoes.
But early recruiting is changing lacrosse. I dont think it is for the better . Explosion of clubs in Baltimore will destroy rec travel lax here in Baltimore in the next few years. Only club teams will have decent teams. Look at soccer in Balt. Only club soccer is any good. I will be surprised if there is even a MYLA in three years. Early recruiting cant be the only blame but it has facilitated it. Another result is having your child held back . Without being on a club in 4th -8thgrade the lax parents know Johnny hasnt a shot at a scholarship or getting into his school of choice. So it maybe good for you and 100 families but all of lacrosse suffers from this early recruiting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 03:34 AM
I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.


The biggest difference is that you now are paying for field rentals that the county or town used to provide. (As well as for 4 tournaments that the coaches' travel expenses)

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 03:22 PM
That is a really deflating fact.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 03:30 PM
Fca 2020 hasn't won any A tournaments. The only won they won was a B tournament last year. Check your facts. There are many 2020 teams better than them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fca 2020 hasn't won any A tournaments. The only won they won was a B tournament last year. Check your facts. There are many 2020 teams better than them.


That likely changes on Sunday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 04:22 PM
We monitor our kids' email and he received a link to some Casey Vock "preview fl$ in 3d" video. Starts by stating how pumped Casey, whoever that may be, is pumped to see the 2015s on down to the 2020s who will be showcasing in front of college coaches this weekend. The the kids who have an email in the system received this from our club's coach.

Our son is 12. He is in 7th grade. In his free time he likes to play video games, play dominoes for Skittles with his friends. He's a pretty good lacrosse player on a decent team but not looking like an obvious new Steele Stanwick. He doesn't clean his room unless asked and picks his nose, and he still thinks lacrosse is fun. Normal I would say.

WHAT THE F&CK IS WRONG WITH THIS SPORT BESIDES EVERYTHING NOW? 2020s will be playing at a tournament where college coaches are? Really? Now, I know they won't be trolling the 7th grade sidelines but that is a bit off point. Lacrosse organizations, events guys, club owners and the other adults have made this sport an absolute cesspool of monkey urine. Thanks a lot guys for cheapening it for the 12 year olds who pick their noses and ask about what is on their pizza after the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 05:47 PM
highly doubt it. that team is weak without the older kids coming down and that won't matter much
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 06:29 PM
[quote=Anonymous]We monitor our kids' email and he received a link to some Casey Vock "preview fl$ in 3d" video. Starts by stating how pumped Casey, whoever that may be, is pumped to see the 2015s on down to the 2020s who will be showcasing in front of college coaches this weekend. The the kids who have an email in the system received this from our club's coach.

Our son is 12. He is in 7th grade. In his free time he likes to play video games, play dominoes for Skittles with his friends. He's a pretty good lacrosse player on a decent team but not looking like an obvious new Steele Stanwick. He doesn't clean his room unless asked and picks his nose, and he still thinks lacrosse is fun. Normal I would say.

WHAT THE F&CK IS WRONG WITH THIS SPORT BESIDES EVERYTHING NOW? 2020s will be playing at a tournament where college coaches are? Really? Now, I know they won't be trolling the 7th grade sidelines but that is a bit off point. Lacrosse organizations, events guys, club owners and the other adults have made this sport an absolute cesspool of monkey urine. Thanks a lot guys for cheapening it for the 12 year olds who pick their noses and ask about what is on their pizza after the game. [/quote

12 in 7th grade??
RE CLASS HIM!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.


Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 07:14 PM
That is funny.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.


Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners.


not sure club owners make a killing unless they also run tournaments -- madlax, Hogan, crabs. Events are were the money is
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]We monitor our kids' email and he received a link to some Casey Vock "preview fl$ in 3d" video. Starts by stating how pumped Casey, whoever that may be, is pumped to see the 2015s on down to the 2020s who will be showcasing in front of college coaches this weekend. The the kids who have an email in the system received this from our club's coach.

Our son is 12. He is in 7th grade. In his free time he likes to play video games, play dominoes for Skittles with his friends. He's a pretty good lacrosse player on a decent team but not looking like an obvious new Steele Stanwick. He doesn't clean his room unless asked and picks his nose, and he still thinks lacrosse is fun. Normal I would say.

WHAT THE F&CK IS WRONG WITH THIS SPORT BESIDES EVERYTHING NOW? 2020s will be playing at a tournament where college coaches are? Really? Now, I know they won't be trolling the 7th grade sidelines but that is a bit off point. Lacrosse organizations, events guys, club owners and the other adults have made this sport an absolute cesspool of monkey urine. Thanks a lot guys for cheapening it for the 12 year olds who pick their noses and ask about what is on their pizza after the game. [/quote

12 in 7th grade??
RE CLASS HIM!!!!


12 yr old...he must be the child of one of the Crab 2017 players!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/14/14 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.


Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners.



The heart of the 3rd - 8th grade club teams now is the spring club leagues which does not leave time for High School or College coaches to work with the kids when it matters the most.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/15/14 03:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.


Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners. [/quote

In Balt area stupid MYLA hooking up with Howard County Recreation and starting the grade base club league two years ago has lead youth lacrosse to this. No reason their league wasnt age base. Crabs and a couple other clubs were salivating to go grade base for a couple of reasons( accommodate MIAA holdbacks, early recruiting, etc) and Howard County Rec Club league was the light to the fuze. Howard County Rec should hold a special place in the hall of shame for Balt youth lacrosse. NPYLL followed suit within a year to keep up. In less than two years all Club teams are grade base and stupid MYLA is going the way of dodo bird for mid to top level competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/15/14 03:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I totally agree with this last statement. Your not getting any different coaching. Half the club coaches were the rec coaches.


Then shame on you for picking that club. There are plenty of clubs out there that have HS Varsity coaches coaching the club teams and not someone's daddy.

The way I see it, the travesty of the current environment is that parents of kids that aren't good enough to play for the top couple clubs, have to pay $1500+ for their kids to play lax with their friends instead of $150 to play rec. For most clubs, you aren't getting anything different then you did from rec. My rec council can no longer field anything above a B team and at Lightning they are only having multiple C teams. The real winners of this landscape are the club owners.


not sure club owners make a killing unless they also run tournaments -- madlax, Hogan, crabs. Events are were the money is


Several of the clubs run and own the tournaments.. Is there any YOUTH U15 and below that is not owned by a club team in Balt/Wash area ??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/15/14 03:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]We monitor our kids' email and he received a link to some Casey Vock "preview fl$ in 3d" video. Starts by stating how pumped Casey, whoever that may be, is pumped to see the 2015s on down to the 2020s who will be showcasing in front of college coaches this weekend. The the kids who have an email in the system received this from our club's coach.

Our son is 12. He is in 7th grade. In his free time he likes to play video games, play dominoes for Skittles with his friends. He's a pretty good lacrosse player on a decent team but not looking like an obvious new Steele Stanwick. He doesn't clean his room unless asked and picks his nose, and he still thinks lacrosse is fun. Normal I would say.

WHAT THE F&CK IS WRONG WITH THIS SPORT BESIDES EVERYTHING NOW? 2020s will be playing at a tournament where college coaches are? Really? Now, I know they won't be trolling the 7th grade sidelines but that is a bit off point. Lacrosse organizations, events guys, club owners and the other adults have made this sport an absolute cesspool of monkey urine. Thanks a lot guys for cheapening it for the 12 year olds who pick their noses and ask about what is on their pizza after the game. [/quote

12 in 7th grade??
RE CLASS HIM!!!!


12 yr old...he must be the child of one of the Crab 2017 players!


He is but lets tell the rest of story..the child is only in 1st grade and has a big time commitment to Hopkins.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/16/14 01:45 AM
Soccer started this with club. So did aau basketball. Club lax is refreshing because the rec politics don't exist unless you play for a club that consists of the same kids that were in the same rec. maturation of the sport. This is a good thing for md. Enjoy it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/16/14 03:01 AM
same kids-same daddy coaches at club. Look it up. Its all over in Baltimore. The coddling of their kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/16/14 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Soccer started this with club. So did aau basketball. Club lax is refreshing because the rec politics don't exist unless you play for a club that consists of the same kids that were in the same rec. maturation of the sport. This is a good thing for md. Enjoy it.


It is good for the better players and the 100-200 players that are going on to play at a high level. The 1000 others who are are rec players are chasing a dream at a high price. Clubs have a place in sports but not dominating youth level sports. And very few clubs don't have politics involved in some way. With more clubs this will only increase.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 03:35 AM
This weekend was much better for the Crabs at the Autumn Classic.

Annapolis Hawks 3-1-0 75%
Freedom 3-1-0 75%
Legacy Taz 3-1-0 75%
Edge 22-7-1 73%
VLC 14-5-1 70%
Crabs 25-9-2 69%
Bethesda 7-3-1 63%
Sentry 4-2-1 57%
Breakers 12-10-2 50%
Thunder 2-2-0 50%
Looneys 7-7-1 46%
FCA 3-3-1 42%
Mesa Fresh 2-2-1 40%
Madlax 7-12-0 36%
Leading Edge 4-7-1 33%
Bulldogs 2-4-0 33%
Phillie Elite 2-4-0 33%
LWLC 1-2-0 33%
MLC 1-2-0 33%
St. Francis Xavier 1-2-0 33%
C2C 8-18-1 29%
Apex 3-8-2 23%
MDX 3-12-1 18%
Cape Kings 0-3-0 0%
Deep Dish 0-6-0 0%
Koopers 0-3-0 0%
LI Outlaws 0-3-0 0%
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 04:58 AM
Played Legacy Taz 1-1 50%

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This weekend was much better for the Crabs at the Autumn Classic.

Annapolis Hawks 3-1-0 75%
Freedom 3-1-0 75%
Legacy Taz 3-1-0 75%
Edge 22-7-1 73%
VLC 14-5-1 70%
Crabs 25-9-2 69%
Bethesda 7-3-1 63%
Sentry 4-2-1 57%
Breakers 12-10-2 50%
Thunder 2-2-0 50%
Looneys 7-7-1 46%
FCA 3-3-1 42%
Mesa Fresh 2-2-1 40%
Madlax 7-12-0 36%
Leading Edge 4-7-1 33%
Bulldogs 2-4-0 33%
Phillie Elite 2-4-0 33%
LWLC 1-2-0 33%
MLC 1-2-0 33%
St. Francis Xavier 1-2-0 33%
C2C 8-18-1 29%
Apex 3-8-2 23%
MDX 3-12-1 18%
Cape Kings 0-3-0 0%
Deep Dish 0-6-0 0%
Koopers 0-3-0 0%
LI Outlaws 0-3-0 0%
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 11:58 AM
The VLC stats are overblown they have not placed a team in the A bracket all fall from U15 and down. So they are playing there top team in B div. all year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 01:00 PM
Tough weekend for 2020 crabs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The VLC stats are overblown they have not placed a team in the A bracket all fall from U15 and down. So they are playing there top team in B div. all year.
.

And winning the Autumn Classic event for HS teams is a joke. It is incredible how watered down Crabs / Aloha events are. The best 2016s and 2017s were at Philly or fl$ in 3d and so were most of the top coaches. Crabs / Aloha can't get the best LI or other Tri State teams, West Coast Starz, Denver Elite or the top Philly teams to even bother to come anymore. Let's face it, intramural Crabs tournaments are inches away from being the new Hogan Fall Brawl. Did they hand out trophies and t-shirts too for pretty pictures?

Total joke.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 02:24 PM
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tough weekend for 2020 crabs


You're right. They should be totally ashamed of themselves for losing by a goal in the finals. Those 7th graders should no that is totally unacceptable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 04:24 PM
Curious as to why the 2020s received a bye in the first round of the playoffs resulting in the other division winners having to play an extra game while the crabs rested.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2016s - excellent
2017s - excellent
2018s - excellent

Get a life
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


Any reclass or holdbacks on 2018?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


Any reclass or holdbacks on 2018?

only a few.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 05:23 PM
Who did well in 19s ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 05:25 PM
Who played edge who won.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2016s - excellent
2017s - excellent
2018s - excellent

Get a life


Maybe they are winners in your hearts, because they can't win real tournaments. Autumn Classic was the leftovers after Philly and 3d last weekend. Thanks for playing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 05:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The VLC stats are overblown they have not placed a team in the A bracket all fall from U15 and down. So they are playing there top team in B div. all year.
.

And winning the Autumn Classic event for HS teams is a joke. It is incredible how watered down Crabs / Aloha events are. The best 2016s and 2017s were at Philly or fl$ in 3d and so were most of the top coaches. Crabs / Aloha can't get the best LI or other Tri State teams, West Coast Starz, Denver Elite or the top Philly teams to even bother to come anymore. Let's face it, intramural Crabs tournaments are inches away from being the new Hogan Fall Brawl. Did they hand out trophies and t-shirts too for pretty pictures?

Total joke.


Fall Brawl actually had quite a bit of talent this year. Several top Npyll & HoCo teams, Team 91, Canadian clubs,MN clubs etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 06:00 PM
What teams are playing in the Baltimore Invitational this coming weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2016s - excellent
2017s - excellent
2018s - excellent

Get a life


Maybe they are winners in your hearts, because they can't win real tournaments. Autumn Classic was the leftovers after Philly and 3d last weekend. Thanks for playing.



Why obsess over other programs? Worry about your own son.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What teams are playing in the Baltimore Invitational this coming weekend?


And more important-"What coaches are comimng?"
THANK YOU
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.


You people are idiots. Crabs 2017 wasn't even at the Autumn Classic. They were however at the Dukes HHH Big Four last week and of course will be at the Baltimore Invitational this week. The 2018s played at a recruiting event at JHU against Team 91 and FCA last weekend. Maybe, Ryan just has better coneections and can get the teams into these smaller showcases. Just because they aren't at a tournament does not mean that the boys aren't being seen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.



I guess you did not hear about the "INVITE ONLY" at Hopkins last Sunday.

ONLY 3 teams-13 D1 college Coaches.
They only had to watch 3 games.

CRABS, TEAM 91, FCA.

Thats it....

Just all those schools and our 3 teams.
Have your kid work harder.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 07:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.


And LI Express and Dukes are coming to Crabs invite this weekend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/17/14 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.


You people are idiots. Crabs 2017 wasn't even at the Autumn Classic. They were however at the Dukes HHH Big Four last week and of course will be at the Baltimore Invitational this week. The 2018s played at a recruiting event at JHU against Team 91 and FCA last weekend. Maybe, Ryan just has better coneections and can get the teams into these smaller showcases. Just because they aren't at a tournament does not mean that the boys aren't being seen.


Thanks Ryan
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/18/14 12:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.


You people are idiots. Crabs 2017 wasn't even at the Autumn Classic. They were however at the Dukes HHH Big Four last week and of course will be at the Baltimore Invitational this week. The 2018s played at a recruiting event at JHU against Team 91 and FCA last weekend. Maybe, Ryan just has better coneections and can get the teams into these smaller showcases. Just because they aren't at a tournament does not mean that the boys aren't being seen.


Although you are correct about the Crabs getting plenty of exposure, Crabs 2017 WAS at the Famous Autumn Classic.

It was a combined 2016 and 2017 team playing in the 2016 division.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/18/14 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.


You people are idiots. Crabs 2017 wasn't even at the Autumn Classic. They were however at the Dukes HHH Big Four last week and of course will be at the Baltimore Invitational this week. The 2018s played at a recruiting event at JHU against Team 91 and FCA last weekend. Maybe, Ryan just has better coneections and can get the teams into these smaller showcases. Just because they aren't at a tournament does not mean that the boys aren't being seen.


Although you are correct about the Crabs getting plenty of exposure, Crabs 2017 WAS at the Famous Autumn Classic.

It was a combined 2016 and 2017 team playing in the 2016 division.


Sounds like the better 2017s were at JHU....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/18/14 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams and tournaments have been on a downward trajectory for a couple years now. The 2015s are their last great team in the system now, but the 2018s may be great eventually. The growth of the game spreads more talent around, but another reason is the relative value of the Crabs strategy of encouraging holdbacks has been widely adapted by other clubs. It's a lot harder to be bigger, stronger and faster every time when you're not always older.


2018 Team is going to be VERY VERY GOOD.
Just getting used to each other and the sky is the limit.

All of the clubs have one money maker that is not that well attended by coaches.

So What.....


So what? Most 2017 and 2018 teams will go to two maybe three one day events in the fall and that's it. That is not a lot of lacrosse to leave on the field during the fall season which is all these kids have to show for in this recruiting cycle since college coaches can't see high school games because of their own season. For 1/2 or 1/3 of the fall to be a throw away because your club owner is doing his money grab, it is a very big deal. Especially when you are paying big bucks for these quaint affairs with five other middle tier teams and a few coaches while most of the action is in Philly. If I were a parent of a 2017 or 2018 Crab and my kid was stuck in the no looksie money grab while kids who played in Philly are getting all the looks and attention, I'd be furious. I think it speaks volumes that all the top clubs from this event last year skipped it this year leaving Crabs with themselves and their VLC step childs plus some middle fill teams.


And LI Express and Dukes are coming to Crabs invite this weekend


Any other teams? Any idea what college will send coaches? If any? Philly Freshman is the same weekend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/18/14 04:02 PM
LI Express will be sending it's lame team (not the Turtles) and Dukes will be sending their B teams. Onondaga Community College, Lynn University, Cabrini College and Slippery Rock College will all be in the house for the Crabs invite. Nine more will make 13, and that would be really great.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/18/14 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI Express will be sending it's lame team (not the Turtles) and Dukes will be sending their B teams. Onondaga Community College, Lynn University, Cabrini College and Slippery Rock College will all be in the house for the Crabs invite. Nine more will make 13, and that would be really great.


Your a [lacrosse]....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/18/14 09:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI Express will be sending it's lame team (not the Turtles) and Dukes will be sending their B teams. Onondaga Community College, Lynn University, Cabrini College and Slippery Rock College will all be in the house for the Crabs invite. Nine more will make 13, and that would be really great.


Your a [lacrosse]....



I think you mean "you're" and no, that was awesome!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/19/14 05:06 PM
LI Express and Dukes are bringing 2018 teams to the B'more Invite for 2017 division and another slot is filled in with a Crabs 2018 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/19/14 05:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI Express and Dukes are bringing 2018 teams to the B'more Invite for 2017 division and another slot is filled in with a Crabs 2018 team.


Looks like a nice group of teams.
Are they expecting many college coaches?

Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/19/14 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI Express and Dukes are bringing 2018 teams to the B'more Invite for 2017 division and another slot is filled in with a Crabs 2018 team.


Looks like a nice group of teams.
Are they expecting many college coaches?

Thanks.


Have no idea. We'll have to wait to find out. Some tournaments post colleges that will be attending, but this one does not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/19/14 10:36 PM
Are the younger Crabs teams playing in NPYLL or Hoco this spring? I had heard NPYLL was going grade based this year. Is this true?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/19/14 11:10 PM
Ty Xanders posted write-up for Autumn Classic on his site. Looks like some decent games in the finals other then 2018.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/20/14 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI Express and Dukes are bringing 2018 teams to the B'more Invite for 2017 division and another slot is filled in with a Crabs 2018 team.


Which Green Turtle team is playing in the 2017/18 Division?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/20/14 03:00 PM
What was the result of the 2020 games vs Legacy LI in MD?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/20/14 03:26 PM
Played 2 times each team won one game. Great competition
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/20/14 06:16 PM
Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/20/14 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.


Not the dreaded "we were missing players" excuse...COME ON! You can do better then that....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/20/14 07:17 PM
You are the CRABS you should be able to be missing a couple players and still win. Your backups are other teams starters. Correct?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/20/14 07:27 PM
They were busy playing at the 2019 game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.


Not the dreaded "we were missing players" excuse...COME ON! You can do better then that....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/20/14 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.


Won big? I heard it was by 4 on some BS goals. Just want to be clear and get fact not opinion. Anyone know what really happened?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/20/14 11:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are the CRABS you should be able to be missing a couple players and still win. Your backups are other teams starters. Correct?


Crabs don't turn into THE CRABS until 8th grade, when they get reclassers. Before then, they are only 1 year older. Give the 2020's another year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/21/14 01:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.


Won big? I heard it was by 4 on some BS goals. Just want to be clear and get fact not opinion. Anyone know what really happened?


Crabs always win big and lose to missing players
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/21/14 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs won big first game in the morning. Lost to Legacy by 1 in the second game. Crabs missing many kids for the last game. If all there it would have been the same result as the morning game.


Won big? I heard it was by 4 on some BS goals. Just want to be clear and get fact not opinion. Anyone know what really happened?


Crabs won 9-4, 40 minute running time game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/23/14 09:45 PM
How did B'More Invite go today? What college coaches were there? How did teams do?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/23/14 10:43 PM
2018's beat LI Express 6-5.
Beat Dukes 12-4

Carolina, Denver , Michigan, Princeton,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/24/14 12:31 AM
Stop w this Crabs stuff witnessed their 2020 team at Beach lax last year go down Big to the Team 91 Crush and elected to take the ball instead of facing off. If you are "the crabs" that shouldn't happen. 91 beat us in the semis and at leas we faced off the entire game. I'd rather my son lose to that team the way we did
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/24/14 01:23 AM
Gtown, nova, denver, Hopkins, Michigan too
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/24/14 01:33 AM
Most teams take the ball against 91.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/24/14 01:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2018's beat LI Express 6-5.
Beat Dukes 12-4

Carolina, Denver , Michigan, Princeton,


Terps always happy to play crabs, another great game...terps beat dukes and green turtles..also saw Villanova, Georgetown, JH, Michigan and a few others...and of course TY x
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/24/14 01:41 PM
Happened to be at both crab sites this weekend and thought it was a great tournament. Saw plenty of coaches at both. Thought that it was run very well, good competition, good officiating, good fields, and well organized. People can say what they want about the crabs but they do know how to host a tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/24/14 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2018's beat LI Express 6-5.
Beat Dukes 12-4

Carolina, Denver , Michigan, Princeton,


Terps always happy to play crabs, another great game...terps beat dukes and green turtles..also saw Villanova, Georgetown, JH, Michigan and a few others...and of course TY x [/quote

And the Crabs enjoy playing You.
A lot of respect and games are always close.]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/25/14 04:13 PM
Anyone know anything about this Maryland lacrosse showcase in July 2015? Is it any good? Many coaches? Who runs it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/25/14 06:37 PM
Terrible event, run by Div III coach, gets a few Div III coaches to attend. I didn't go but a few of my teammates went last summer and said it was a waste of time
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/25/14 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Terrible event, run by Div III coach, gets a few Div III coaches to attend. I didn't go but a few of my teammates went last summer and said it was a waste of time


question: do most of your teammates/friends come on here to view what parents are saying? And do you guys think we're all nuts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 11/26/14 01:27 AM
yes and yes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/09/14 03:18 PM
So Crabs is going to be the first lacrosse club sponsored by Nike. Wonder what this will entail
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/09/14 04:06 PM
Will the Crabs have to pay for the equipment? If they don't,does it go against NCAA Rules,when they ask if they have been sponsored to play? Just curios.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/09/14 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will the Crabs have to pay for the equipment? If they don't,does it go against NCAA Rules,when they ask if they have been sponsored to play? Just curios.


AAU basketball teams are all sponsored by Nike, UA, etc. Assume it's not against the rules, but don't know what they are allowed to get and not. Think the basketball teams get shoes, but maybe they say they are included in the dues to get around the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/09/14 06:47 PM
AAU basketball teams get free gear from shoe companies. Not an issue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/10/14 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AAU basketball teams get free gear from shoe companies. Not an issue.


Crabs I believe is also a non-profit. To the extent the club did a deal with Nike for free gear, that is wonderful for the families at Crabs and smart business for Crabs.

Does the freckled little brother VLC get the goodies too?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/10/14 05:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Crabs is going to be the first lacrosse club sponsored by Nike. Wonder what this will entail


Lots of Nike t shirts that have "Crab Nation" printed on them. Flippin sweet!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/11/14 01:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Crabs is going to be the first lacrosse club sponsored by Nike. Wonder what this will entail


Don't all major clubs sign deals with suppliers? What makes this different than al the others?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/11/14 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Crabs is going to be the first lacrosse club sponsored by Nike. Wonder what this will entail


Don't all major clubs sign deals with suppliers? What makes this different than al the others?


Crabs will be the first club in the country sponsored by the Nike's, Under Armour's of the world. Not sure what suppliers you are talking about but having 1Lacrosse make your shirts for you is not the same thing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/11/14 03:30 PM
Crabs are a better investment for Nike than any HS program including any of the MIAA programs. Crabs are an elite club that have a national recognition on the club scene, and Nike gets good will and nice exposure from HS down to U-11. This is a great deal for Nike because Crabs are a strong brand in the lacrosse world.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/11/14 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are a better investment for Nike than any HS program including any of the MIAA programs. Crabs are an elite club that have a national recognition on the club scene, and Nike gets good will and nice exposure from HS down to U-11. This is a great deal for Nike because Crabs are a strong brand in the lacrosse world.


Yeah, all the stuff that really matters to improving as a player. Also lets be HONEST. With so many of the more talented older high school aged kids now not even considering playing with the Crabs, (last good team was 2015 team), you need a draw for the younger players somehow. Everyone knows the real way to a young lax players heart is thru the gear! Most top clubs try to woo players and families with better coaching and player development programs, only the select few do it with gear. The new lax world. All fluff and no substance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/11/14 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are a better investment for Nike than any HS program including any of the MIAA programs. Crabs are an elite club that have a national recognition on the club scene, and Nike gets good will and nice exposure from HS down to U-11. This is a great deal for Nike because Crabs are a strong brand in the lacrosse world.


So the Crabs don't have to pay anything for their Nike/Stx gear?

Or did they just get a slightly better cost than many other clubs?

I don't think we will be seeing them in a Just Do It ad any time soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/11/14 08:16 PM
If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/11/14 10:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.


Maybe because their new website crabslax.com will be launching soon. Any other stupid questions?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.


Maybe because their new website crabslax.com will be launching soon. Any other stupid questions?


Ok Ryan, calm down. Thanks for giving the push to have youth grade base teams in Balt. You exemplify everything that is wrong in youth sports by letting children play down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.


Maybe because their new website crabslax.com will be launching soon. Any other stupid questions?


Ok Ryan, calm down. Thanks for giving the push to have youth grade base teams in Balt. You exemplify everything that is wrong in youth sports by letting children play down.


Right. Ryan is the one pushing it. Don't mention that the girls teams have been grade based for years. Why do you think this is?? Couldn't be because the college coaches want it that way could it? This whole argument is stupid. My kids are on age. The older kids make mine work harder. In most cases it's the matter of a few months older. It's just an excuse. My kids go to BL while they had a 6th grade team, some of the other privates did not have age based teams. Therefore, they had to play against a lot of 8th graders. It certainly wasn't bad for them. Get over it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 02:14 PM
That is misleading. Girls club lacrosse barely existed until 3-4 years ago, so when you mention that girls teams have been grade based for years that is correct. Most girls's lacrosse was school only and there was no club paradigm to point to.

Anyone know the details of the Crabs Nike deal from a parent or insider view? Is the stuff free, or is this a me too deal like the ones Warrior and Under Armour have been doing for club lacrosse teams for years. Those deals are get the stuff at wholesale and kick in some freebies for the coaches. Trilogy, LB3 and many other clubs have already done this, and if it is a discount deal expect there will be other regional Nike club lacrosse deals coming soon. If the Crabs deal really is a freebie for the teams like a college swag deal, that would be a really sweet Crabs deal. It is also good advertising for Nike to build consumer loyalty and also to take a tax write off to donate gear to a non-profit club team like Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 02:27 PM
NSLCA now being run by Corrigan Sports?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NSLCA now being run by Corrigan Sports?


Good news for the Rough Riders.

I think Corrigan is just overseeing the tournaments, like they do for Gait, Under Armour, Stx, etc.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 03:15 PM
What is the difference between overseeing a tournament and running it? I didn't get the impression last year that the UA underclass tryouts had anything to do with UA save for the t-shirt for registering. Corrigan totally runs that and I think of it as a Corrigan event.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 03:22 PM
You may want to check the 2016 and 2017 Crab Teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 04:02 PM
Nike deal is real for Crabs. Free stuff in return for wearing/using their gear everywhere.......UA wanted it, Nike stepped up first.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the difference between overseeing a tournament and running it? I didn't get the impression last year that the UA underclass tryouts had anything to do with UA save for the t-shirt for registering. Corrigan totally runs that and I think of it as a Corrigan event.


"NSCLA MISSION - NON-PROFIT DEDICATED TO THE LACROSSE COMMUNITY
Our mission is to provide a cooperative platform of scholastic age club lacrosse teams to engage in an elite level, spirited competition. It is our vision that this cooperation and association will help assure the quality of lacrosse tournaments in the US and Canada, while maintaining the highest level of play for our athletes."

According to their website they are currently sponsoring only two tournaments in 2015.

WARRIOR NSCLA NATIONAL CUP - contact lacrosse@corrigansports.com (roughriders)

WARRIOR NSCLA SELECT SHOWCASE - contact
crabslax@gmail.com (crabs)

FYI-
Ryan McClernan - NSCLA President - rdmcclernan@verizon.net

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You may want to check the 2016 and 2017 Crab Teams


For what?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nike deal is real for Crabs. Free stuff in return for wearing/using their gear everywhere.......UA wanted it, Nike stepped up first.


That is a real downer for UA as a home city company and also for Adrenaline which is run by ex-Crabs guys. Free stuff meaning free unis, or free stuff meaning free equipment and shoes too?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 05:35 PM
Who cares about Nike.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares about Nike.


Nike = Stx?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 06:29 PM
Is Philly the new King of lacrosse?
Dukes commits like crazy

And the best tourneys???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 06:41 PM
I think Philly is just the best place on a map. The sport is not huge below NoVa yet, So Philly is just the right Drive for people to go North and South to get there for Tournaments. As for the players signing from there its the "eyes on " theory. If there is a couple studs that get the eyes looking the ones around the studs look better and benefit from being seen. This is why we all pay the money to play for the best teams. Because everyone knows the best players are not always who get the spots.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 07:25 PM

Ty Xanders
‏@Ty
A first for club ball: @CrabsLacrosse and @NikeLacrosse have finalized a deal for uniforms, apparel and equipment.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think Philly is just the best place on a map. The sport is not huge below NoVa yet, So Philly is just the right Drive for people to go North and South to get there for Tournaments. As for the players signing from there its the "eyes on " theory. If there is a couple studs that get the eyes looking the ones around the studs look better and benefit from being seen. This is why we all pay the money to play for the best teams. Because everyone knows the best players are not always who get the spots.


They may play the game well, but the support hasn't been there recently. They just lost the Wings and the Barrage left a while ago. The attendance at the MLL and NCAA championships 2 years ago was disappointing as well. How well do Villanova, St. joes, Drexell, and Penn draw?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/12/14 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Nike is dumping so much money into the Crabs, why doesn't their website even show their logo.

Many other clubs show their sponsors on their websites.


Maybe because their new website crabslax.com will be launching soon. Any other stupid questions?


Ok Ryan, calm down. Thanks for giving the push to have youth grade base teams in Balt. You exemplify everything that is wrong in youth sports by letting children play down.


Right. Ryan is the one pushing it. Don't mention that the girls teams have been grade based for years. Why do you think this is?? Couldn't be because the college coaches want it that way could it? This whole argument is stupid. My kids are on age. The older kids make mine work harder. In most cases it's the matter of a few months older. It's just an excuse. My kids go to BL while they had a 6th grade team, some of the other privates did not have age based teams. Therefore, they had to play against a lot of 8th graders. It certainly wasn't bad for them. Get over it.


You are full of it. College coaches aren't looking at 9,10,11,12,13,14 year olds. That is where youth lacrosse is. Grade base belongs at school teams and HS age based teams not youth under 15. The whole world doesnt revolve around the MIAA schools and all their precious holdbacks. And your idol Ryan was one of the biggest proponents of turning club YOUTH lacrosse into grade base teams. Crabs have the largest amount of holdbacks on their teams bar none. Anybody besides holdback teams,parents,coaches and their apologists like you know it is wrong at the youth level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/13/14 05:33 PM
Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/13/14 09:12 PM
AMEN!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 02:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.


You are a apologist for cheating. This is not the way the game is supposed to be played. Ever heard of fairplay in youth sports? Letting select kids play down due to being held back at youth level is cheating. Holdbacks and reclassing kids has been going on in Maryland for more than the last two years. But some reason now it is needed. Crabs and all the other teams did fine for years without cheating at youth level. But now the apologists like you make up many reasons why we need it, coaches want it, Hawks do it, my kids can handle it, go somewhere else, etc,etc...In your book morals arent needed, just results..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.


You are a apologist for cheating. This is not the way the game is supposed to be played. Ever heard of fairplay in youth sports? Letting select kids play down due to being held back at youth level is cheating. Holdbacks and reclassing kids has been going on in Maryland for more than the last two years. But some reason now it is needed. Crabs and all the other teams did fine for years without cheating at youth level. But now the apologists like you make up many reasons why we need it, coaches want it, Hawks do it, my kids can handle it, go somewhere else, etc,etc...In your book morals arent needed, just results..


So you tell me. Where should these kids play club lacrosse? Do you think if a holdback 8th grader went to Breakers or FCA they would be told they need to play up on the 9th grade team? Of course not. Crabs isn't allowing these kids to repeat grades or go to prefirst. The schools allow it and in the case of prefirst, promote it for kids with spring/summer birthdays. So Crabs needs to be the ones to stand up and say "No!!! We aren't taking these kids because they went to prefirst and they should be a grade higher." Get real. The fact is these kids want to play for crabs. If they all wanted to play for Breakers this conversation would be on their thread.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 02:56 PM
Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 03:22 PM
[Yes, that thread that no one pays attention to (Breakers or Looney's or FCA(that's right they don't have a thread).. Well written and thought out. March on Crab Nation]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course college coaches aren't looking at U13 and younger. But the clubs want their teams to play together from a young age. Why do you think Hawks and other clubs have 2nd grade teams? All three of my kids go to private school and all are on age. Will I like it if one of them loses their spot to holdback eventually? Of course not. But that's part of the deal. That's why there are a lot of options out there. Crabs shouldn't apologize for what they do. That's the way the game is played. Should they tell the kids/parents that they can't play on their grades team? Crabs has some kids that are holdbacks that play on an older grade team also but that never gets mentioned. It all comes off as a bunch of whining. If your kid didn't make it go find somewhere else. There are lots of good options.


You are a apologist for cheating. This is not the way the game is supposed to be played. Ever heard of fairplay in youth sports? Letting select kids play down due to being held back at youth level is cheating. Holdbacks and reclassing kids has been going on in Maryland for more than the last two years. But some reason now it is needed. Crabs and all the other teams did fine for years without cheating at youth level. But now the apologists like you make up many reasons why we need it, coaches want it, Hawks do it, my kids can handle it, go somewhere else, etc,etc...In your book morals arent needed, just results..


So you tell me. Where should these kids play club lacrosse? Do you think if a holdback 8th grader went to Breakers or FCA they would be told they need to play up on the 9th grade team? Of course not. Crabs isn't allowing these kids to repeat grades or go to prefirst. The schools allow it and in the case of prefirst, promote it for kids with spring/summer birthdays. So Crabs needs to be the ones to stand up and say "No!!! We aren't taking these kids because they went to prefirst and they should be a grade higher." Get real. The fact is these kids want to play for crabs. If they all wanted to play for Breakers this conversation would be on their thread. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.


I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 04:27 PM
Actually, college coaches do want it this way so that they know that everyone on the field is a 9th grader(for example). Girl's clubs have been setup this way for years for this reason.

My question is, why is Crabs made out to be the bad guys in this? People say they have the most holdbacks, but why is that? Is it because Crabs is the only club that allows them to play with their grade, or is it because the kids want to play for Crabs? You know what the answer to that is. This is why it comes off as complaining and whining. It's not cheating if that's the way the system is built. It's not like the other clubs don't have as many holdbacks because they chose not to. It's because Crabs gets first pick in most cases and those that don't make it go someplace else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.


I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air


Thats the point. Tournaments are going 2019,2020,2021,2022 brackets to accommodate the grade based teams. It could have been U9,U10,U11,U12,U13, etc . Pretty simple and straightforward. Maryland Lacrosse at the youth club level is wrong, plain and simple. Club Soccer has a pretty simple concept in the Maryland . U8, U9,U10,U11, etc..with cards, Somehow this seems to work with the MIAA holdbacks . They all play where their age is,, not grade. The HS school teams(very good) and recruiters don't seem to have a problem, but somehow youth lacrosse needs grade base teams according to the apologists . This is mainly a private school thing that has taken over all club lacrosse to accommodate all these holdbacks that attend them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.


I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air


Thats the point. Tournaments are going 2019,2020,2021,2022 brackets to accommodate the grade based teams. It could have been U9,U10,U11,U12,U13, etc . Pretty simple and straightforward. Maryland Lacrosse at the youth club level is wrong, plain and simple. Club Soccer has a pretty simple concept in the Maryland . U8, U9,U10,U11, etc..with cards, Somehow this seems to work with the MIAA holdbacks . They all play where their age is,, not grade. The HS school teams(very good) and recruiters don't seem to have a problem, but somehow youth lacrosse needs grade base teams according to the apologists . This is mainly a private school thing that has taken over all club lacrosse to accommodate all these holdbacks that attend them.

So many complaints about grade based tournaments. Why don't all of the people that don't want to play in grade based tournaments just set up their own????? Most of the tournaments out there today did not exist even 2 years ago. Feel free, go set your own age based tournament with your rules and accept the teams you want to play!!!!! Simple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 06:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.


I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air


Thats the point. Tournaments are going 2019,2020,2021,2022 brackets to accommodate the grade based teams. It could have been U9,U10,U11,U12,U13, etc . Pretty simple and straightforward. Maryland Lacrosse at the youth club level is wrong, plain and simple. Club Soccer has a pretty simple concept in the Maryland . U8, U9,U10,U11, etc..with cards, Somehow this seems to work with the MIAA holdbacks . They all play where their age is,, not grade. The HS school teams(very good) and recruiters don't seem to have a problem, but somehow youth lacrosse needs grade base teams according to the apologists . This is mainly a private school thing that has taken over all club lacrosse to accommodate all these holdbacks that attend them.


tournaments are following how the clubs are set-up. Maryland clubs followed how the LI clubs are set-up. If we're talking about youth teams it's about fairness and safety. The bottom line is that league and tournaments that offer grade A & B divisions give many teams as chance to find competitive brackets for their skill levels. And the age variances are a smaller window on average than with traditional 2yr age brackets. If you're going to throw out 13 yr old 8th grader playing vs 16 yr holdback I've not seen it. That's a double holdback and I believe that would extremely rare and there should some limit on ages. I have summer, spring & fall bday kids. We're public so no holdback even if we wanted to. Not trying to justify going to this system or keeping kids back for sports. But now were in it I'm not seeing where the crises is and I think most others don't either - whether their kids were held back or not. Until the outrage is more than a vocal group on internet forums than trend towards grade will continue. Personally I agree that single age brackets are the best and fairest. But I like the grade brackets over the 2 yr age brackets

And if we're talking about 9th grade up and the kids can't compete with older kids, then they are not ready to be recruited or play varsity lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/15/14 07:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many complaints about grade based tournaments. Why don't all of the people that don't want to play in grade based tournaments just set up their own????? Most of the tournaments out there today did not exist even 2 years ago. Feel free, go set your own age based tournament with your rules and accept the teams you want to play!!!!! Simple.


The only complaints are at the youth level not HS level mister simple. But it like looks you have the answer. Go set up a tournament.simple! .. Forget the fact that we are letting a select minority of children get an advantage at youth level. We want that advantage since we held our children back and deserve that advantage .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/16/14 01:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prefirst, 8th grade or 9th grade is just a conversation about what school year these kids will be when they play on a middle or high school team.

Head out of sand for a moment please...why should club ball not be age based? There is no valid argument against it. College coaches don't really give a crap, they will still come to Crabfeast and the other recruiting tournaments and will be able to evaluate 16 or 14 year olds if they want, and then check on the school and school year the kid is in the tournament program.

This debate is so silly. Just go age based club tournaments and let the private school strategies play out for high school leagues. One can't make a rule for the other. The only argument to keep club teams grade based is to "hide" kids who have held back to make them show better. Forget the moralistic arguments and I just say that is a phony strategy that will fail over time. Pretty soon Petro and the others will realize that the 16 year old beating down on 14 year olds in 9th grade looks a lot less nifty when it is 19 year olds versus 17 year olds. It catches up to the staged kids.


I'm a different poster. all clubs in Maryland including Crabs were age based until the past couple of years. Not a Crabs parent or fan but they were not the ones starting this. They may have fully embraced it but last year was the 1st year they had grade based youth and that was 2021 and 2020. Ironically the trend started up north with NY clubs and tournaments going grade. Not sure why they started doing so since they probably have less lacrosse playing holdbacks and have Dec school cutoff. The general argument is safety but the age based system has always been u11, u13, u15 - so you would have kids playing against each other with 2 year gap. Holdbacks in the age-based system got their advantage by being able to play 2 years of u15 while on age kids moved onto high school. I was not a fan initially of the grade based teams, leagues etc. But what I see is that most teams have a 3-4 holdbacks and the great percentage of them are born within a few months of the school cut-offs. These kids now become the oldest rather than the youngest in their grade, team, league etc so definite advantage to them. The ones who become further disadvantaged are the summer bdays who can't, won't get held back. My point to this response is that like or not grade-based keeps average ages closer together than 2 year age groupings. So until we go to u10,u11,u12....than all this is just hot air


Thats the point. Tournaments are going 2019,2020,2021,2022 brackets to accommodate the grade based teams. It could have been U9,U10,U11,U12,U13, etc . Pretty simple and straightforward. Maryland Lacrosse at the youth club level is wrong, plain and simple. Club Soccer has a pretty simple concept in the Maryland . U8, U9,U10,U11, etc..with cards, Somehow this seems to work with the MIAA holdbacks . They all play where their age is,, not grade. The HS school teams(very good) and recruiters don't seem to have a problem, but somehow youth lacrosse needs grade base teams according to the apologists . This is mainly a private school thing that has taken over all club lacrosse to accommodate all these holdbacks that attend them.


tournaments are following how the clubs are set-up. Maryland clubs followed how the LI clubs are set-up. If we're talking about youth teams it's about fairness and safety. The bottom line is that league and tournaments that offer grade A & B divisions give many teams as chance to find competitive brackets for their skill levels. And the age variances are a smaller window on average than with traditional 2yr age brackets. If you're going to throw out 13 yr old 8th grader playing vs 16 yr holdback I've not seen it. That's a double holdback and I believe that would extremely rare and there should some limit on ages. I have summer, spring & fall bday kids. We're public so no holdback even if we wanted to. Not trying to justify going to this system or keeping kids back for sports. But now were in it I'm not seeing where the crises is and I think most others don't either - whether their kids were held back or not. Until the outrage is more than a vocal group on internet forums than trend towards grade will continue. Personally I agree that single age brackets are the best and fairest. But I like the grade brackets over the 2 yr age brackets

And if we're talking about 9th grade up and the kids can't compete with older kids, then they are not ready to be recruited or play varsity lacrosse


Last year several teams in Baltimore area had "holdbacks" on their teams. It was not that many. This year most club teams went grade base that had kids from MIAA schools. No all but most holdbacks are now playing down. I suspect except for a few Balt teams in each age group it will not make a big difference. But for these youth teams it will and that is the point. Why did youth Lacrosse need to start this trend of scewing the rules for the holdback children of MIAA ? They are the reason since all Maryland school ages align with USL ages of Aug 31. It is pure BS that these heldback children of the MIAA Private schools at the youth level get this advantage while all the public children born in summer months dont. Did Lacrosse decide to award MIAA schools special privileges that the rest of MD can not have. Even if it is one child getting a special advantage it is wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/16/14 01:58 AM
Hawks 2018 had 5 older-birthday or "holdbacks" last year-same amount as Crabs.

Still could not beat them. Ha Ha-

Then a few joined them-LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/16/14 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


tournaments are following how the clubs are set-up. Maryland clubs followed how the LI clubs are set-up. If we're talking about youth teams it's about fairness and safety. The bottom line is that league and tournaments that offer grade A & B divisions give many teams as chance to find competitive brackets for their skill levels. And the age variances are a smaller window on average than with traditional 2yr age brackets. If you're going to throw out 13 yr old 8th grader playing vs 16 yr holdback I've not seen it. That's a double holdback and I believe that would extremely rare and there should some limit on ages. I have summer, spring & fall bday kids. We're public so no holdback even if we wanted to. Not trying to justify going to this system or keeping kids back for sports. But now were in it I'm not seeing where the crises is and I think most others don't either - whether their kids were held back or not. Until the outrage is more than a vocal group on internet forums than trend towards grade will continue. Personally I agree that single age brackets are the best and fairest. But I like the grade brackets over the 2 yr age brackets

And if we're talking about 9th grade up and the kids can't compete with older kids, then they are not ready to be recruited or play varsity lacrosse [/quote]

My understanding of LI going grade base teams is due to Dec 1 school start date and USL Aug 31 age start date. Md school start date is the same as USL Aug 31. I may be wrong but it seems like LI going grade base gives them a DISADVANTAGE as the oldest child is DEC 1 birthday while Maryland oldest age base would be Sept 1. MD kids could be 3 months older ,,is this right?? With a few holdbacks on a MD grade base team vs grade base LI team this would even be more advantage for MD, 6 months plus older kids. Please chime in if I have this wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/16/14 07:38 AM
Crab apologists note that Crabs are heart of the problem. They encourage and recommend repeating eighth grade, or holding back. This Fall, 2019 team cut half team to make room for 7-8 holdback kids. Wonder how those kids that got cut feel about holdbacks? Do they now chase 2020 spot as a holdback?

This practice gives justification to Edge playing entire team down a grade since they might PG. It makes a mockery of these tournaments.

Yes, I have seen 13 yo compete against 16 yo this Fall at Autumn Classic when Edge played. Pre first and reclass happens more than you think too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/16/14 12:29 PM
[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2018 had 5 older-birthday or "holdbacks" last year-same amount as Crabs.

Still could not beat them. Ha Ha-

Then a few joined them-LOL

pretty sure hawks only had four, one of the bethesda area teams had 7 and madlax had 6, so it's not strictly a crabs thing, i have had two sons play in the npyll who were not heldback, most people in this area have moved on and don't whine about it everyday
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Crabs Lacrosse / Baltimore Lacrosse Club - 12/16/14 12:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


tournaments are following how the clubs are set-up. Maryland clubs followed how the LI clubs are set-up. If we're talking about youth teams it's about fairness and safety. The bottom line is that league and tournaments that offer grade A & B divisions give many teams as chance to find competitive brackets for their skill levels. And the age variances are a smaller window on average than with traditional 2yr age brackets. If you're going to throw out 13 yr old 8th grader playing vs 16 yr holdback I've not seen it. That's a double holdback and I believe that would extremely rare and there should some limit on ages. I have summer, spring & fall bday kids. We're public so no holdback even if we wanted to. Not trying to justify going to this system or keeping kids back for sports. But now were in it I'm not seeing where the crises is and I think most others don't either - whether their kids were held back or not. Until the outrage is more than a vocal group on internet forums than trend towards grade will continue. Personally I agree that single age brackets are the best and fairest. But I like the grade brackets over the 2 yr age brackets

And if we're talking about 9th grade up and the kids can't compete with older kids, then they are not ready to be recruited or play varsity lacrosse


My understanding of LI going grade base teams is due to Dec 1 school start date and USL Aug 31 age start date. Md school start date is the same as USL Aug 31. I may be wrong but it seems like LI going grade base gives them a DISADVANTAGE as the oldest child is DEC 1 birthday while Maryland oldest age base would be Sept 1. MD kids could be 3 months older ,,is this right?? With a few holdbacks on a MD grade base team vs grade base LI team this would even be more advantage for MD, 6 months plus older kids. Please chime in if I have this wrong. [/quote]

I don't think you have that last part wrong. Picking over kids being 3 months older is moot, but consider that with a Sept 1st trigger a MD holdback kid can be closer to two years older than one over a younger natural aged LI kid in his grade. You also noted that in public schools you can't go in for repeating grades for sports, so that means doing it is an investment in private school tuitions starting at 8th or 9th grade. Let's not waste time, nobody is repeating 10th or 11th grade for lacrosse reasons after most ships have sailed. So the holdback "advantage" is one obtainable only by wealthy kids. Prep schools love that because it is good for business. The MIAA and IAC schools didn't have 12.6 scholarships like it is a college and most of those places run over $30K a year. I maintain that is fine for HS play, but if you look at much larger more established sports like soccer it is age based all the way through for non-school. There are over 200 D1 scholarship soccer programs and over 150 D2 scholarship programs in soccer and that sport is not crying for reforms. Its fair and it works.

It is a cop out to say "well, go do your own age based club tournaments then" to parents of kids not advantaged by this system. How? Start another unhappy Daddy lacrosse club and hope people join in? There is no such thing as a recreation or club league in MD that has age based club events. If you have not seen a 13 year old get plowed by a 15 or 16 year old, then you weren't at any Hogan or Madlax tournaments this fall. We had one kid knocked out cold by a knee to the head at the faceoff X. There was nothing dirty at all about the play, but the injury was definitely exacerbated by the fact that this was a tiny 12 year old 7th grader playing on a 7th/8th team playing against a 6 foot and heavy muscled 8th grader who was obviously a holdback. That is one thing your analysis missed somewhat, which two-