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It's the start of the Fall 2016/Spring 2017 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group
I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day but I couldn't find any.
Just go to an Army Navy store. Plentiful. I am trying to find some really good peach ice cream but having difficulty can anyone help? Also, should I be putting my right leg into my pants first or my left? Oh yeah and my kid is just picking up lacrosse, what program should he go to I dream of him playing at Hopkins. We're all in.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just go to an Army Navy store. Plentiful. I am trying to find some really good peach ice cream but having difficulty can anyone help? Also, should I be putting my right leg into my pants first or my left? Oh yeah and my kid is just picking up lacrosse, what program should he go to I dream of him playing at Hopkins. We're all in.

I would suggest reclassifying and becoming a 2023, then join Crabs as you will be the same age as everyone...
Madlax 2020 made huge strides this summer, including a narrow lost to Crush. Just a couple goals away from being the top team in the class of 2020.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 made huge strides this summer, including a narrow lost to Crush. Just a couple goals away from being the top team in the class of 2020.

I'll alert the media.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 made huge strides this summer, including a narrow lost to Crush. Just a couple goals away from being the top team in the class of 2020.


OMG, not you again!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 made huge strides this summer, including a narrow lost to Crush. Just a couple goals away from being the top team in the class of 2020.


Please, please go away. Whatever you are taking, it is clearly clouding your judgment and views.
Worry about beating the other teams first before crush
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 made huge strides this summer, including a narrow lost to Crush. Just a couple goals away from being the top team in the class of 2020.


Please, please go away. Whatever you are taking, it is clearly clouding your judgment and views.


Crush 10 Madlax 1 at adrenilane Crush18 Madlax 2 Big 4 HHH
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 made huge strides this summer, including a narrow lost to Crush. Just a couple goals away from being the top team in the class of 2020.


Please, please go away. Whatever you are taking, it is clearly clouding your judgment and views.


Crush 10 Madlax 1 at adrenilane Crush18 Madlax 2 Big 4 HHH


Who cares? Don't you get what the Madlax poster is doing? Are you that much of an idiot to keep responding? Or is it a Crush daddy with an opportunity to pound your chest? Maybe we should bring up the 4 Crush boys performance in Denver? Ouch!
Setting the field...

Rather than a "top 10" list here are some groupings.

Top:
Crush

Outstanding:
Crabs
Looneys
LI Express

The very good. Any of these teams could beat the others on any given day and might beat one in the group above every so often....

Annapolis Hawks
Laxachusettes
NH Tomahawks
91 Maryland
Leading Edge
Sweetlax upstate
FCA
Taz
Rising Sons

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Setting the field...

Rather than a "top 10" list here are some groupings.

Top:
Crush

Outstanding:
Crabs
Looneys
LI Express

The very good. Any of these teams could beat the others on any given day and might beat one in the group above every so often....

Annapolis Hawks
Laxachusettes
NH Tomahawks
91 Maryland
Leading Edge
Sweetlax upstate
FCA
Taz
Rising Sons



Thank you express dad for your thoughts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Setting the field...

Rather than a "top 10" list here are some groupings.

Top:
Crush

Outstanding:
Crabs
Looneys
LI Express

The very good. Any of these teams could beat the others on any given day and might beat one in the group above every so often....

Annapolis Hawks
Laxachusettes
NH Tomahawks
91 Maryland
Leading Edge
Sweetlax upstate
FCA
Taz
Rising Sons



Express does not belong in the top group, otherwise agree. Scores of their games support this
Here is my attempt at grouping

Pretty clear cut no questions...
Tier 1:
91 crush

Solid group could beat 91 if they have a off day.
Tier 2:
Looneys
Crabs
WCS
FCA


Very strong teams
Tier 3:
Express
Laxachusetts
Tomahawks
Hawks
Leading edge
Rising sons
Sweet lax upstate
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my attempt at grouping

Pretty clear cut no questions...
Tier 1:
91 crush

Solid group could beat 91 if they have a off day.
Tier 2:
Looneys
Crabs
WCS
FCA


WCS need to go down to "very strong" Taz could be in that mix too

Very strong teams
Tier 3:
Express
Laxachusetts
Tomahawks
Hawks
Leading edge
Rising sons
Sweet lax upstate
Spot on boys.. Watched a ton of great lacrosse this summer and this is very accurate.
Crabs and FCA really don't belong on any list because they have 16 year old on their roster. WCS is not a tier 2 team. Hawks and Laxachuesetts are tier 2.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs and FCA really don't belong on any list because they have 16 year old on their roster. WCS is not a tier 2 team. Hawks and Laxachuesetts are tier 2.

What kid(position) on fca is a 16 year old?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs and FCA really don't belong on any list because they have 16 year old on their roster. WCS is not a tier 2 team. Hawks and Laxachuesetts are tier 2.


Who did WCS beat? Scores against other top teams?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 made huge strides this summer, including a narrow lost to Crush. Just a couple goals away from being the top team in the class of 2020.


Please, please go away. Whatever you are taking, it is clearly clouding your judgment and views.


Crush 10 Madlax 1 at adrenilane Crush18 Madlax 2 Big 4 HHH


Wrong, Tat Dad. Madlax 2020 only lost to Crush at the Terp Shootout by 4 goals. If the game was 5 minutes longer, it could have been a different result.

We're used to the hate. Comes with the territory when you play for the best club out there. Gap has almost been closed.
They came into Baltimore and beat Freedom, Hawks, Looneys, FCA, 91 MD, they only loss was to the Rising Sons. I think they went 6-1 on the trip.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs and FCA really don't belong on any list because they have 16 year old on their roster. WCS is not a tier 2 team. Hawks and Laxachuesetts are tier 2.


Who did WCS beat? Scores against other top teams?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They came into Baltimore and beat Freedom, Hawks, Looneys, FCA, 91 MD, they only loss was to the Rising Sons. I think they went 6-1 on the trip.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs and FCA really don't belong on any list because they have 16 year old on their roster. WCS is not a tier 2 team. Hawks and Laxachuesetts are tier 2.


Who did WCS beat? Scores against other top teams?


They never played fca
Madlax got destroyed at big 4 by Lax and Crush. Lost to express and laxachusetts again at crabfeast.

What good teams did they beat?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax got destroyed at big 4 by Lax and Crush. Lost to express and laxachusetts again at crabfeast.

What good teams did they beat?


Almost beat Crush. Something few teams have accomplished.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They came into Baltimore and beat Freedom, Hawks, Looneys, FCA, 91 MD, they only loss was to the Rising Sons. I think they went 6-1 on the trip.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs and FCA really don't belong on any list because they have 16 year old on their roster. WCS is not a tier 2 team. Hawks and Laxachuesetts are tier 2.


Who did WCS beat? Scores against other top teams?


They never played fca


So why would they be placed above the Sons? News Flash: They also have older kids on their roster. You also need more than one tournament to prove one's self
WCS beat those teams on play dates not tournaments. Apples to oranges. WCS does not belong on this list.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WCS beat those teams on play dates not tournaments. Apples to oranges. WCS does not belong on this list.


They played looneys? And fca?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WCS beat those teams on play dates not tournaments. Apples to oranges. WCS does not belong on this list.


Totally agree!! Nice that the west coast is fielding a decent team, but no where near top tier.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my attempt at grouping

Pretty clear cut no questions...
Tier 1:
91 crush
I
Solid group could beat 91 if they have a off day.
Tier 2:
Looneys
Crabs
WCS
FCA


WCS need to go down to "very strong" Taz could be in that mix too

Very strong teams
Tier 3:
Express
Laxachusetts
Tomahawks
Hawks
Leading edge
Rising sons
Sweet lax upstate



Edge Canada has beaten Laxachusettes and Tiomahawks this summer, should be in mix
You are the funniest person I've ever seen I on here. Mad lax is a good team and has potential to be in the second tier group (and I'm being generous here). But Madlax will never be as good as Crush. Even though you believe otherwise (which NO ONE else agrees with).
Good team? They got housed all sumer long. They are only the 3rd best team in the DC area.
How are tryouts looking so far?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are tryouts looking so far?

Hot and humid
Seems like there is a lot of movement among the 2020 baltimore teams
Yes - fat crab is bringing down the 17s to play on the 20s. New Goalie and FOGO are in community college.
How about we address the elephant in the room? Who will play on Crush next year considering the rumored hold backs leaving to play on the 2021 team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like there is a lot of movement among the 2020 baltimore teams


What info are you searching for posting on both 2020 sites with this comment!?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about we address the elephant in the room? Who will play on Crush next year considering the rumored hold backs leaving to play on the 2021 team?


Good question. One starting center middie who is already held back once, as well as coaches son who my be playing in is correct age group, although will still probably claim to be playing up. Leaves two nice starting positions. Express has a couple that will be holding back as well including a coaches son. Guess if you can't beat the Crabs, and realize bashing their strategy on botc is pointless, you join them. I call it cowardly and pathetic!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about we address the elephant in the room? Who will play on Crush next year considering the rumored hold backs leaving to play on the 2021 team?


Good question. One starting center middie who is already held back once, as well as coaches son who my be playing in is correct age group, although will still probably claim to be playing up. Leaves two nice starting positions. Express has a couple that will be holding back as well including a coaches son. Guess if you can't beat the Crabs, and realize bashing their strategy on botc is pointless, you join them. I call it cowardly and pathetic!


No reason to hold back the center middle. He may be on the small side but he holds his own and is good enough to play his age. Why would his parents put him through this? If true,
It is pathetic!
ill believe it when I see it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about we address the elephant in the room? Who will play on Crush next year considering the rumored hold backs leaving to play on the 2021 team?


Good question. One starting center middie who is already held back once, as well as coaches son who my be playing in is correct age group, although will still probably claim to be playing up. Leaves two nice starting positions. Express has a couple that will be holding back as well including a coaches son. Guess if you can't beat the Crabs, and realize bashing their strategy on botc is pointless, you join them. I call it cowardly and pathetic!


No reason to hold back the center middle. He may be on the small side but he holds his own and is good enough to play his age. Why would his parents put him through this? If true,
It is pathetic!


My guess it's true, and he will play on both Crush and Blaze when Blaze plays grade based tournaments, and yes given the ability of the player and the fact he should be a 2019 to begin with, it is extremely pathetic !
Any 2020 rosters get emails yet?
The issue is not the ability to "hold your own" the issue is do you exceed the ability of your peers. These hold backs are looking to stand out amongst the crowd. The playing field isn't how it started out in 2nd and 3rd grade when their skill level and athleticism stood out. Holding their own isn't good enough now that they aren't stand outs they will repeat a grade once sometimes twice to stand out or exceed the skill level of those they will play with as well as against, or that's the expectation anyway. The question is, how do you improve if you aren't being challenged? How is this affecting these boys socially? What message are these parents sending their kids? This has become an epidemic.
No matter how you explain and rationalize the reasoning for leaving your kid behind for them to have an advantage over younger kids you have to wonder about the repercussions socially, and psychologically. We can all read between the lines, your good kid but not good enough, you'll "look better" and "seem smarter" if you go to class with younger kids and if you play amongst the younger kids. How do these kids NOT feel inadequate?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The issue is not the ability to "hold your own" the issue is do you exceed the ability of your peers. These hold backs are looking to stand out amongst the crowd. The playing field isn't how it started out in 2nd and 3rd grade when their skill level and athleticism stood out. Holding their own isn't good enough now that they aren't stand outs they will repeat a grade once sometimes twice to stand out or exceed the skill level of those they will play with as well as against, or that's the expectation anyway. The question is, how do you improve if you aren't being challenged? How is this affecting these boys socially? What message are these parents sending their kids? This has become an epidemic.
No matter how you explain and rationalize the reasoning for leaving your kid behind for them to have an advantage over younger kids you have to wonder about the repercussions socially, and psychologically. We can all read between the lines, your good kid but not good enough, you'll "look better" and "seem smarter" if you go to class with younger kids and if you play amongst the younger kids. How do these kids NOT feel inadequate?


Especially if they do it twice, embarrassment
Fall schedules coming out
Bunch of kids are commiting already, when most of them have not even stepped on to a high school field. We will see just exactly how good some of these players are if they could start on varsity for their high school. my bet, not even 1/2 make varsity and those who do wont see a minute of playing time. some may be exceptionally gifted, but for the majority, they wont be so lucky.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my attempt at grouping

Pretty clear cut no questions...
Tier 1:
91 crush

Solid group could beat 91 if they have a off day.
Tier 2:
Looneys
Crabs
WCS
FCA


Very strong teams
Tier 3:
Express
Laxachusetts
Tomahawks
Hawks
Leading edge
Rising sons
Sweet lax upstate
Only 77 days until the games begin. It will be interesting to see what teams play the NLF event at Boy's Latin School Nov 6. WCS doesn't look to come east until Nov 19 and 20 in Long Island. Outside of the NLF members and affiliate's I see Looney's, FCA getting invited.
[quote=Anonymous]Fall schedules coming out Either Inside Lacrosse or Autumn Gold Nov 5 NLF Boy's Latin Nov 6 Big 4 HHH @ Hill School Nov 12 fl$ in Delaware Nov 13 Rotanz LI Nov 19 NLF LI Nov 20 or Philly Freshman NXT Event Nov 19-20. This is where the Top 15 Programs will be playing. Most are invite only.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my attempt at grouping

Pretty clear cut no questions...
Tier 1:
91 crush
I
Solid group could beat 91 if they have a off day.
Tier 2:
Looneys
Crabs
WCS
FCA


WCS need to go down to "very strong" Taz could be in that mix too

Very strong teams
Tier 3:
Express
Laxachusetts
Tomahawks
Hawks
Leading edge
Rising sons
Sweet lax upstate



Edge Canada has beaten Laxachusettes and Tiomahawks this summer, should be in mix
and leading edge
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is my attempt at grouping

Pretty clear cut no questions...
Tier 1:
91 crush

Solid group could beat 91 if they have a off day.
Tier 2:
Looneys
Crabs
WCS
FCA


Very strong teams
Tier 3:
Express
Laxachusetts
Tomahawks
Hawks
Leading edge
Rising sons
Sweet lax upstate
Only 77 days until the games begin. It will be interesting to see what teams play the NLF event at Boy's Latin School Nov 6. WCS doesn't look to come east until Nov 19 and 20 in Long Island. Outside of the NLF members and affiliate's I see Looney's, FCA getting invited.


what teams are part of the NLF?
Why don't you look it up instead of wasting everyone's time!!!
You may be right about the early commits not contributing to varsity but what difference does it make??? they are being recruited based on their relative talent to other class of 20 players and trust me, every kid that has been committed is amongst the best (and most mature physically) in the grade. Who knows if they will still be as talented relatively in four years but for now they are legit. I'm sure some will falloff and other kids will rise but it is what it is right now.
Some of these kids go to top 20 National Programs and probably won't make varsity. Put them at a public HS and most would contribute as Freshman.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bunch of kids are commiting already, when most of them have not even stepped on to a high school field. We will see just exactly how good some of these players are if they could start on varsity for their high school. my bet, not even 1/2 make varsity and those who do wont see a minute of playing time. some may be exceptionally gifted, but for the majority, they wont be so lucky.
Exactly, so for all the haters, many of these kids that have committed play in tough conferences and at really good schools. What makes you think their not going to get a lot better? They don't stop growing their game because they committed. Thats you just trying to make yourself feel better about your own son. I've seen numerous posts on here saying the kids are just ok that committed?? wth are you talking about?Theri all from top 15 2020 teams. Even if every kid on those teams was D1 thats only 300 kids there are 400 more spots. These kids are the best of the best and will continue to get better. They play against the best of the best. College coaches have seen them play against the best in team events and individual events. Mom and Dad stop telling yourself that these kids aren't going to be good college players stop. Its a lie, self preservation.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of these kids go to top 20 National Programs and probably won't make varsity. Put them at a public HS and most would contribute as Freshman.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bunch of kids are commiting already, when most of them have not even stepped on to a high school field. We will see just exactly how good some of these players are if they could start on varsity for their high school. my bet, not even 1/2 make varsity and those who do wont see a minute of playing time. some may be exceptionally gifted, but for the majority, they wont be so lucky.
Is it true that a Crush kid actually ninja quit and went to Express?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it true that a Crush kid actually ninja quit and went to Express?


Wouldn't be the first time. There is usually some turnover on the second lines. And it is perfectly logical to go to another good team in order to get more playing time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Here is my attempt at grouping

Pretty clear cut no questions...
Tier 1:
91 crush

Solid group could beat 91 if they have a off day.
Tier 2:
Looneys
Crabs
WCS
FCA


Very strong teams
Tier 3:
Express
Laxachusetts
Tomahawks
Hawks
Leading edge
Rising sons
Sweet lax upstate
Only 77 days until the games begin. It will be interesting to see what teams play the NLF event at Boy's Latin School Nov 6. WCS doesn't look to come east until Nov 19 and 20 in Long Island. Outside of the NLF members and affiliate's I see Looney's, FCA getting invited.


what teams are part of the NLF? Crabs Crush Leading Edge 4HHH LIE Laxchussets and affiliates are WCS Mesa Fresh Edge Canada and Eclipse. So at Boy's Latin 3 possible invite's
What does "ninja quit" mean?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does "ninja quit" mean?

LOL, I wanted to ask the same thing.
Some new faces on Terps this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does "ninja quit" mean?


My superior intellect tells me that he is referring to the fact that the kid snuck away from his former team and joined the new team without telling anyone until it was over.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does "ninja quit" mean?


My superior intellect tells me that he is referring to the fact that the kid snuck away from his former team and joined the new team without telling anyone until it was over.

I'd call it the "Irish Goodbye Quit".
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does "ninja quit" mean?


My superior intellect tells me that he is referring to the fact that the kid snuck away from his former team and joined the new team without telling anyone until it was over.


Ding! Ding! Ding! You win!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some new faces on Terps this year.


At what positions?
No Igloo anywhere?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does "ninja quit" mean?


My superior intellect tells me that he is referring to the fact that the kid snuck away from his former team and joined the new team without telling anyone until it was over.


Ding! Ding! Ding! You win!
Best is watching a parent rage quit.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does "ninja quit" mean?


My superior intellect tells me that he is referring to the fact that the kid snuck away from his former team and joined the new team without telling anyone until it was over.


Ding! Ding! Ding! You win!
Best is watching a parent rage quit.


Absolutely! They do everyone a favor.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't think anyone is questioning the ability of the left attack from crush. if every early recruit was as good as him, people would understand. However, there are some kids that have "committed" that are just not that great. Time will tell, but I would be willing to bet that some of these players not only won't produce in college, some will struggle to be impact players in HS


Agree. He is the real deal but several of the commits are just good players and are either holdbacks, coaches sons or connected somehow.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. He is the real deal but several of the commits are just good players and are either holdbacks, coaches sons or connected somehow.


Sorta like the rest of real life.
So which 2020 players will be making the biggest impact on their HS teams? Will it be the early commits or the unsung heroes who might still be trying to maintain a normal life where you pick colleges when you are 16/17?
The great thing about the early commits are they will absolutely get to choose when they are 16 or 17.
The players who haven't had the chance to commit may never have the opportunity to choose.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
The great thing about the early commits are they will absolutely get to choose when they are 16 or 17.
The players who haven't had the chance to commit may never have the opportunity to choose.


Not all early commits will have a choice when they are 16-17. Many will find that others have passed them by. Maybe the verbal will hold, but some will not. A commitment at 14 is not the end. It also isn't nearly the big deal that people pretend it is. Not to say that most of the early commits aren't great now. But these are kids. Some will continue to grow and mature. Some will lose interest. If the kid doesn't embrace the grind, he will never play in college, early commit or not.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. He is the real deal but several of the commits are just good players and are either holdbacks, coaches sons or connected somehow.


Sorta like the rest of real life.


Are 2020s attending prospect days yet?
Ummmm , '21's are attending now !!
Virtually every D1 team has or is having a prospect day for 2020s this fall...
21s are not attending now
21 parents's don't be stupid, wait until summer before you attend a prospect day, unless it is specifically for 21's.

To much to loss, and injury is too big a risk. You have 16/17 YO 2019 2018 you will be going up against that have something to prove.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
21 parents's don't be stupid, wait until summer before you attend a prospect day, unless it is specifically for 21's.

To much to loss, and injury is too big a risk. You have 16/17 YO 2019 2018 you will be going up against that have something to prove.


Blaze kids at Michigan getting schooled in clinic, don't belong there, and took away from others who deserved to be there! Silly and pathetic abuse of 91 power. Remember what happened to them in Denver when they played an average 2020 team? Nuff said!
I agree. And blame the college coaches for accepting them
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. And blame the college coaches for accepting them


Yup! Disgusting abuse of power coming out of the mouths of those claiming to "grow the game" FYI: you just shamed the game. And then brag about it on social media? Are you freaking kidding? News Flash: those kids will not be the early recruits, but you just promoted early recruiting????
Saw the two Brentwood stars, 91 kid and old leg girl, speed training together. I guess you could say daddy coach only coaches who he wants to.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Saw the two Brentwood stars, 91 kid and old leg girl, speed training together. I guess you could say daddy coach only coaches who he wants to.


You my friend are deranged. now you resort to making stuff up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. And blame the college coaches for accepting them


Yup! Disgusting abuse of power coming out of the mouths of those claiming to "grow the game" FYI: you just shamed the game. And then brag about it on social media? Are you freaking kidding? News Flash: those kids will not be the early recruits, but you just promoted early recruiting????


What are you talking about. Take your meds. Truth is there are many average 2020 already committed so your probably wrong! When has that org spoke badly about early recruiting ? Answer : never Kids went to a college campus watched a football game and played some lacrosse. Hmm sounds like someone's boy isn't getting recruited as hard as daddy wishes. Relax and enjoy YOUR boy and not worry about everyone else. That's the problem , everyone is worried what everyone else's son is doing instead of focusing on their own.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. And blame the college coaches for accepting them


Yup! Disgusting abuse of power coming out of the mouths of those claiming to "grow the game" FYI: you just shamed the game. And then brag about it on social media? Are you freaking kidding? News Flash: those kids will not be the early recruits, but you just promoted early recruiting????


What are you talking about. Take your meds. Truth is there are many average 2020 already committed so your probably wrong! When has that org spoke badly about early recruiting ? Answer : never Kids went to a college campus watched a football game and played some lacrosse. Hmm sounds like someone's boy isn't getting recruited as hard as daddy wishes. Relax and enjoy YOUR boy and not worry about everyone else. That's the problem , everyone is worried what everyone else's son is doing instead of focusing on their own.


Not worried about my son, he's doing just fine in the recruiting process. The problem is that these very average 2021 kids took spots at an invitation only prospect day. These kids brought the level down. There are plenty of kids in the 2020 and 2019 age group who could have actually benefitted from the visit. Check twitter, you will see that this organizations leaders have made comments against early recruiting, then send 2021 kids to prospect camp. Funny, they have also aloud the reclassing of some very good 2020 kids who will now bump loyal 2021 kids from their teams. Hypocrites, cheaters, bad for the sport.
Everyone knows what 91 COACH is a PATHETIC EXAMPLE for the SPORT of LACROSSE .... #PATHETIC91COACH#EGOMANIAC
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. And blame the college coaches for accepting them


Yup! Disgusting abuse of power coming out of the mouths of those claiming to "grow the game" FYI: you just shamed the game. And then brag about it on social media? Are you freaking kidding? News Flash: those kids will not be the early recruits, but you just promoted early recruiting????


What are you talking about. Take your meds. Truth is there are many average 2020 already committed so your probably wrong! When has that org spoke badly about early recruiting ? Answer : never Kids went to a college campus watched a football game and played some lacrosse. Hmm sounds like someone's boy isn't getting recruited as hard as daddy wishes. Relax and enjoy YOUR boy and not worry about everyone else. That's the problem , everyone is worried what everyone else's son is doing instead of focusing on their own.


Not worried about my son, he's doing just fine in the recruiting process. The problem is that these very average 2021 kids took spots at an invitation only prospect day. These kids brought the level down. There are plenty of kids in the 2020 and 2019 age group who could have actually benefitted from the visit. Check twitter, you will see that this organizations leaders have made comments against early recruiting, then send 2021 kids to prospect camp. Funny, they have also aloud the reclassing of some very good 2020 kids who will now bump loyal 2021 kids from their teams. Hypocrites, cheaters, bad for the sport.



Great post. Very true. Blow it up on Instagram and now more kids at the tryouts and charge more $$$$. You really think Michigan is looking at 13 yr olds ? When there are Sophs and Frosh trying to make a team ? Embarrassing. You wanna visit and go to a football game fine , the connections are everywhere . But cmon be real. A lot of other kids out there better that don't have the "luxury " of being on ninetyone
The 91 players were from 2021 team not the 2020 team. If these players like you say are good not great (personally haven't seen or know any 21's) isn't that kinda the way Michigan program is at right now? No one committed anywhere they went to visit a school watched a game and played a few hours of lax. The connections people are complaining about are why some clubs are valued more than others. If kids are good enough they are found regardless.
isn't there a 2021 site for this nonsense!
I would say the main complaint should be the fact that this was promoted as an invite only event capping at 40 2020 players that the school was interested in seeing first hand. It ended up being 66 players (2021's unfortunately included) playing on 3 teams with very little actual time on the field to be seen. Great weekend but as we have seen in the recruiting game over and over again, not as billed! It would be refreshing to see a program actually stick to their plan and not fold to certain travel teams.
Some of the 2020s that were there were no what I would consider top tier.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of the 2020s that were there were no what I would consider top tier.


Top kids noticed at elite tournaments and showcases from Laxachusettes, Tomahawks, Sweetlax, Leg, Crush, FCA. These are many of the same kids that have been on the circuit of college visits and are considered top recruits, narrowing down there choices. Sorry if your kid either wasn't able to attend, or didn't belong there because he was the wrong age group. This was one of the highest level prospect camps my son has attended, and he's been to a few.
If you say so - it must be true. I was there and other than the dog and pony show it was a waste of time. What other D1 program has 2021s at a prospect day? The kings of early recruiting don't even do that...
Hearing Express Terps one of the coaches sons (not the St. A's coach) has just reemerged as a '21. Pathetic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hearing Express Terps one of the coaches sons (not the St. A's coach) has just reemerged as a '21. Pathetic.


Same for Crush
McA ?
Where will they play this fall and in the summer? Both good players. I'm guessing they play with the 20's and the 21's. Schedules will have to be shuffled around.
I know for $hit Sure that if i repeated a grade in Middle or HS my friends would have torn me a new a$$. they would probably tear my son a new one if he repeated now. Different world, I no like it but to each his own.. all i can do is write about it in a song.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
McA ?


Yes, Crush, pitiful
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
McA ?


Yes, Crush, pitiful


Why you ask? Too short . Same fate awaits head coaches kids if you look at parents. You can only hold a kid back so many times before you realize they ain't growing and becoming the 6 foot plus beast that colleges are looking for! Good news is there are always sports like wrestling where it doesn't matter
This is lacrosse people not football. Size is not a factor. In fact many of the best attackman are small as are many top midfielders, while I do not think size matters at attck perhaps it does more in the midfield. The top attack in the world are McArdle Jordan wolf Rob Pannell Joey Sankey Will Manny, Steele Stanwick. the list goes on and on Attacking a kid is weak. That boy as well as the express player will both be more than fine ! Because of the trend and success of smaller attackman it will effect the defensive positioning as well .
Very interesting point never realized how many elite attackman are smaller. Add Matt Kavanaugh Dylan Donoghue to that list as well
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is lacrosse people not football. Size is not a factor. In fact many of the best attackman are small as are many top midfielders, while I do not think size matters at attck perhaps it does more in the midfield. The top attack in the world are McArdle Jordan wolf Rob Pannell Joey Sankey Will Manny, Steele Stanwick. the list goes on and on Attacking a kid is weak. That boy as well as the express player will both be more than fine ! Because of the trend and success of smaller attackman it will effect the defensive positioning as well .


So your saying now is that colleges are looking for small defenders ? U name a few big name attack men that are short. I'm sure there's a bigger list of ones that are 6'1" +
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is lacrosse people not football. Size is not a factor. In fact many of the best attackman are small as are many top midfielders, while I do not think size matters at attck perhaps it does more in the midfield. The top attack in the world are McArdle Jordan wolf Rob Pannell Joey Sankey Will Manny, Steele Stanwick. the list goes on and on Attacking a kid is weak. That boy as well as the express player will both be more than fine ! Because of the trend and success of smaller attackman it will effect the defensive positioning as well .


Keep telling yourself size is not a matter. So you named a few undersized attack men with amazing skill. Not many young men can do what those few can ever do. Plan B is take the kids who are big with very good skill . Don't try and justify lack of size. When the option is there , always go bigger
Not saying size doesn't matter just saying of all sports lacrosse is one where it isn't everything That said of you aren't over 6'0 the skill set has to be better. especially with the way unfortunately contact is slowly beginning to be taken away from the sport. Just a healthy discussion supplied with facts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is lacrosse people not football. Size is not a factor. In fact many of the best attackman are small as are many top midfielders, while I do not think size matters at attck perhaps it does more in the midfield. The top attack in the world are McArdle Jordan wolf Rob Pannell Joey Sankey Will Manny, Steele Stanwick. the list goes on and on Attacking a kid is weak. That boy as well as the express player will both be more than fine ! Because of the trend and success of smaller attackman it will effect the defensive positioning as well .


If size doesn't matter, why do you suppose parents are holding back the boys? As other kids grew around these boys, they don't look as good. I agree that there are some exceptional players who are small, but is exactly that, an exception. Smaller kids need to work twice as hard to prove they belong on the field. These parents have no faith in their kids ability and that is the sad part! Sucks to peak as a 7th grader!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is lacrosse people not football. Size is not a factor. In fact many of the best attackman are small as are many top midfielders, while I do not think size matters at attck perhaps it does more in the midfield. The top attack in the world are McArdle Jordan wolf Rob Pannell Joey Sankey Will Manny, Steele Stanwick. the list goes on and on Attacking a kid is weak. That boy as well as the express player will both be more than fine ! Because of the trend and success of smaller attackman it will effect the defensive positioning as well .


Uhhh did you happen notice the best attackman (best Lacrosse player) in D1 last year? Molloy, He's 6'2" 235. The next best attackman is Rambo from MD 6'1" 220, Best Rookie attack? Kid from Loyola 6'3" 215, And so on and so on. These guys are match up nightmares for the best Defensemen in the country. Cannot be left one on one. Always doubled. The trend is definitely not to go small. Just the opposite. Can the smaller guys compete, sure. But trend is definitely towards the bigger man.

Keep telling yourself size is not a matter. So you named a few undersized attack men with amazing skill. Not many young men can do what those few can ever do. Plan B is take the kids who are big with very good skill . Don't try and justify lack of size. When the option is there , always go bigger
I'd take a fast undersized kid with stick skills and a high IQ over a big meathead any day of the week.
I don't think either examples out shine the other, IMHO... but both are good examples that a good lacrosse player come in many sizes.
The two players that sparked this from crush and express are both midfielders so it doesn't apply to them but to keep w convo for every Dylan Molloy there is a much better track record for smaller smarter more skilled attackman That's why Molloy is the exception most and I say most of the most successful attackman the past 5/6 years have been smaller ones. Even a smaller sample size. Top three attackman NCAA lacrosse this year. Molloy Kavanaugh, Donoghue. (2 of which 5'8 ) great topic for conversation because there is NO answer. Success has and will continue to be had by both types
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd take a fast undersized kid with stick skills and a high IQ over a big meathead any day of the week.


So you are fast to call the small kid fast , great stick skill , high IQ but the big athlete is a meathead ?? I will sound like you .... I would rather take the big , tall , lean , fast and powerful , high IQ , great stick skill player then a small pipsqueek any day.
Size does matter !! ( don't get excited now !!!)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd take a fast undersized kid with stick skills and a high IQ over a big meathead any day of the week.


Except if the big meat head is a 6'3" 225 Lb. physical specimen and freak athlete.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is lacrosse people not football. Size is not a factor. In fact many of the best attackman are small as are many top midfielders, while I do not think size matters at attck perhaps it does more in the midfield. The top attack in the world are McArdle Jordan wolf Rob Pannell Joey Sankey Will Manny, Steele Stanwick. the list goes on and on Attacking a kid is weak. That boy as well as the express player will both be more than fine ! Because of the trend and success of smaller attackman it will effect the defensive positioning as well .


Uhhh did you happen notice the best attackman (best Lacrosse player) in D1 last year? Molloy, He's 6'2" 235. The next best attackman is Rambo from MD 6'1" 220, Best Rookie attack? Kid from Loyola 6'3" 215, And so on and so on. These guys are match up nightmares for the best Defensemen in the country. Cannot be left one on one. Always doubled. The trend is definitely not to go small. Just the opposite. Can the smaller guys compete, sure. But trend is definitely towards the bigger man.

Keep telling yourself size is not a matter. So you named a few undersized attack men with amazing skill. Not many young men can do what those few can ever do. Plan B is take the kids who are big with very good skill . Don't try and justify lack of size. When the option is there , always go bigger


100 percent correct, like it or not (there are always a couple of exceptions) regardless of the sport if you have a bigger man who is a standout athlete, coaches will ALWAYS go with the physical size and strength, its just the way it is. likely the primary reason Crush midfielder was held back.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The two players that sparked this from crush and express are both midfielders so it doesn't apply to them but to keep w convo for every Dylan Molloy there is a much better track record for smaller smarter more skilled attackman That's why Molloy is the exception most and I say most of the most successful attackman the past 5/6 years have been smaller ones. Even a smaller sample size. Top three attackman NCAA lacrosse this year. Molloy Kavanaugh, Donoghue. (2 of which 5'8 ) great topic for conversation because there is NO answer. Success has and will continue to be had by both types


I guess you didn't notice the kid from UNC. Cloutier, basically dismantled MD. 6'0" 215. Number 1 attack Molloy 6'2" 235, #2 Cloutier 6'0" 215, #3 Rambo 6'1 220, #4 Spencer 6'3" 200... Big guys are winning awards and Championships. Oh and Lyle Thompson also a 6 footer. Sorry.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The two players that sparked this from crush and express are both midfielders so it doesn't apply to them but to keep w convo for every Dylan Molloy there is a much better track record for smaller smarter more skilled attackman That's why Molloy is the exception most and I say most of the most successful attackman the past 5/6 years have been smaller ones. Even a smaller sample size. Top three attackman NCAA lacrosse this year. Molloy Kavanaugh, Donoghue. (2 of which 5'8 ) great topic for conversation because there is NO answer. Success has and will continue to be had by both types


I guess you didn't notice the kid from UNC. Cloutier, basically dismantled MD. 6'0" 215. Number 1 attack Molloy 6'2" 235, #2 Cloutier 6'0" 215, #3 Rambo 6'1 220, #4 Spencer 6'3" 200... Big guys are winning awards and Championships. Oh and Lyle Thompson also a 6 footer. Sorry.
Cloutier the box lacrosse player from Canada?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd take a fast undersized kid with stick skills and a high IQ over a big meathead any day of the week.


Except if the big meat head is a 6'3" 225 Lb. physical specimen and freak athlete.


LOL. Lets be honest with ourselves. If you're 6'3" 225 and a FREAK athlete you're taking a full ride for a money sport (i.e. football). Lacrosse is a nice letter and something to do in the spring.

Size matters, sure. Sure does speed, agility, IQ and skill. For every Malloy there is a Sankey. You honestly think coaches or parents are holding their kids back because of their size? No. Simply leveraging the system to gain an advantage and play down vs. up. In other words, make me look good vs. weaker more developed players. HS will equalize it all ...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd take a fast undersized kid with stick skills and a high IQ over a big meathead any day of the week.


Except if the big meat head is a 6'3" 225 Lb. physical specimen and freak athlete.


LOL. Lets be honest with ourselves. If you're 6'3" 225 and a FREAK athlete you're taking a full ride for a money sport (i.e. football). Lacrosse is a nice letter and something to do in the spring.

Size matters, sure. Sure does speed, agility, IQ and skill. For every Malloy there is a Sankey. You honestly think coaches or parents are holding their kids back because of their size? No. Simply leveraging the system to gain an advantage and play down vs. up. In other words, make me look good vs. weaker more developed players. HS will equalize it all ...
? You answered your own question with "no" but made the case for "yes", this is why we hold back - Simply leveraging the system to gain an advantage and play down vs. up. In other words, make me look good vs. weaker more developed players. Sounds to me like the narrative holdbacks use? No? Yes!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd take a fast undersized kid with stick skills and a high IQ over a big meathead any day of the week.


So you are fast to call the small kid fast , great stick skill , high IQ but the big athlete is a meathead ?? I will sound like you .... I would rather take the big , tall , lean , fast and powerful , high IQ , great stick skill player then a small pipsqueek any day.
Size does matter !! ( don't get excited now !!!)


Just by your description of a smaller player, I am fast to call you a MEATHEAD, yep, a true MEATHEAD. Pipsqueek, really?One thing may at times be true, size does matter and the size of your IQ is way way low, as are your social skills. Now don't you go getting excited!!!!
Brains always beats brawn. If you have both - more power to you. That combination is rare.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The two players that sparked this from crush and express are both midfielders so it doesn't apply to them but to keep w convo for every Dylan Molloy there is a much better track record for smaller smarter more skilled attackman That's why Molloy is the exception most and I say most of the most successful attackman the past 5/6 years have been smaller ones. Even a smaller sample size. Top three attackman NCAA lacrosse this year. Molloy Kavanaugh, Donoghue. (2 of which 5'8 ) great topic for conversation because there is NO answer. Success has and will continue to be had by both types


I guess you didn't notice the kid from UNC. Cloutier, basically dismantled MD. 6'0" 215. Number 1 attack Molloy 6'2" 235, #2 Cloutier 6'0" 215, #3 Rambo 6'1 220, #4 Spencer 6'3" 200... Big guys are winning awards and Championships. Oh and Lyle Thompson also a 6 footer. Sorry.


Rambo and Cloutier both under 6'0 and while Spencer is 6'3 he weighs 185 Listen Lacrosse is great because big or small players can be the best
"big or small players can be the best"

True, but all things being equal, coaches will take the bigger player deal with it all you Napoleans out there and enjoy your extra leg room on the airplanes while we big guys suffer...
Sports car vs. a Freight Train. I'll take the sports car.
[quote=Anonymous] "big or small players can be the best"

True, but all things being equal, coaches will take the bigger player deal with it all you Napoleans out there and enjoy your extra leg room on the airplanes while we big guys suffer...
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You are correct, you do suffer, from a LOW IQ.
So Crush now has 2 holdbacks. Plus one coaches kid playing up, who belongs in 7th grade, but is in 6th. Can we start a soap opera?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Crush now has 2 holdbacks. Plus one coaches kid playing up, who belongs in 7th grade, but is in 6th. Can we start a soap opera?


Umm no on the soap opera because it's been that way the past few years . Crush two hold backs, express has 4/5 hold backs enough of this crap. Go play catch with your kid, with the energy your wasting
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"big or small players can be the best"

True, but all things being equal, coaches will take the bigger player deal with it all you Napoleans out there and enjoy your extra leg room on the airplanes while we big guys suffer...


What a naïve thing to say. You truly are a [lacrosse]...
Naive??? please explain. Boy did I hit a nerve with a few morons on that one! LOL
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Naive??? please explain. Boy did I hit a nerve with a few morons on that one! LOL


Simple Jr. pull up a chair...class is in session.

Naïve because of your comment "a coach will take the bigger kid all the time"...not accurate genius, not even close

I should of added "condescending" with the Napoléon reference and pompous calling yourself a "big guy"

Dude, with comments like that, you're not big, you're just an [lacrosse].

Class dismissed....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Naive??? please explain. Boy did I hit a nerve with a few morons on that one! LOL


Simple Jr. pull up a chair...class is in session.

Naïve because of your comment "a coach will take the bigger kid all the time"...not accurate genius, not even close

I should of added "condescending" with the Napoléon reference and pompous calling yourself a "big guy"

Dude, with comments like that, you're not big, you're just an [lacrosse].

Class dismissed.... [/quote
THAT JUST HAPPENED!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Naive??? please explain. Boy did I hit a nerve with a few morons on that one! LOL


Simple Jr. pull up a chair...class is in session.

Naïve because of your comment "a coach will take the bigger kid all the time"...not accurate genius, not even close

I should of added "condescending" with the Napoléon reference and pompous calling yourself a "big guy"

Dude, with comments like that, you're not big, you're just an [lacrosse].

Class dismissed....

The proverbial pot calling the kettle black. I'm not the person that sent the original post that you are replying to, but you certainly sound like a bigger condescending [lacrosse] than him or her. You sound "small" in many ways, shapes and forms.
Madlax has the #4 2017 recruit, the #1 2018 recruit and the #1 2019 recruit.

Any questions? LOL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has the #4 2017 recruit, the #1 2018 recruit and the #1 2019 recruit.

Any questions? LOL.


Yes. One question? Will any of them be younger than 20 when they enter college? Doubtful. Best quote about the 2018 kid is from that dope Xanders, "a man amoung boys" As if we did'nt know...
Ask any future employer of these kids who graduate from top colleges if they ask if their new hire is 22 or 22 1/2. Man you envious Dads are so pathetic.. Good news is High School Soccer tryouts havent happened yet.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has the #4 2017 recruit, the #1 2018 recruit and the #1 2019 recruit.

Any questions? LOL.


Yes. One question? Will any of them be younger than 20 when they enter college? Doubtful. Best quote about the 2018 kid is from that dope Xanders, "a man amoung boys" As if we did'nt know...



Don't hate just because your club can't match up.
There are 10 2020's that are better than your #1 2019, Maybe more!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has the #4 2017 recruit, the #1 2018 recruit and the #1 2019 recruit.

Any questions? LOL.
2020 Crush LSM/FOGO to Princeton
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2020 Crush LSM/FOGO to Princeton


More accurately, this should say he committed to the application process. It is way too early to tell if any 9th grader will step foot on an Ivy League field
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2020 Crush LSM/FOGO to Princeton


Thanks for the update you creepy stalker.

P.S. Do you think you are the only person on Twitter?
Of course there is zero congratulations by the envious loser Dads. What they meant to say was.. .Props to the parents and to that young man!!! Princeton.. Wow.. Incredible opportunity to attend the finest institution in the world because he plays lacrosse... Sick.. I'm sure the kid is on age but if he has a summer bday you clowns would find a way to find fault in that family's thought process. Again..Congrats...Ridiculous opportunity!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2020 Crush LSM/FOGO to Princeton


Thanks for the update you creepy stalker.

P.S. Do you think you are the only person on Twitter?


Someone is very angry and very very jealous ...lol priceless, looser parent behavior at it's best.
Reclassed
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 10 2020's that are better than your #1 2019, Maybe more!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has the #4 2017 recruit, the #1 2018 recruit and the #1 2019 recruit.

Any questions? LOL.


LOL. Another idiotic Strong Island dad.

Have you seen Shellenberger play? The kid is unbelievable. Unlike your kid.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Reclassed


Not this kid
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Reclassed

If so, please show your proof that he is reclassed. Just making a statement doesn't prove sh*t. Have no use for people like you that make statements but have no backup/verification to prove your point.
Or, just maybe, your little johnny hasn't been selected and you are just pissed.
Who gives a flying F if he is reclassed?? He is on his way to Princeton..
I'm sure the kid is smart, good kid. That isn't where I am critical. Princeton administrators look like a joke when the institution is exposed to a sports coach doing this.

Princeton is currently receiving thousands of applications from kids who are at the highest rung of accomplishment, valedictorians, etc in the 2016 class. MOST of them won't be admitted. It is a joke and an abject fraud to 'commit' a kid who started high school less than a month ago. At some point the administrators at these schools just need to deep six the discretion coaches have before kids are HS rising seniors. Madalon looks like a joke. Bad start for a guy with no equity to burn. He might have just burned it all.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who gives a flying F if he is reclassed?? He is on his way to Princeton..


Who gives a flying F that I paid someone to take the SAT for my kid?? He is on his way to Harvard.

That literally was the dumbest response to date on this forum! At least you take your anger, envy and bitterness out on is forum and you don't walk around the house kicking Fido.. or maybe you do. Congrats young man.. Take this opportunity and run with it!!!
You had to pay someone to take the SAT for your kid?? So your kids a moron like you and he sucks at lax! Lolollolol.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who gives a flying F if he is reclassed?? He is on his way to Princeton..


Who gives a flying F that I paid someone to take the SAT for my kid?? He is on his way to Harvard.



Love this response! Great analogy in my eyes.
He is listed as a 2019 multiple times on my internets.
Brain dead move by the new Primceton coach. He's going to have a rough go w/ that admissions group and administration. Long memories in that admissions office, and not all of it good. Madalon isn't too bright.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brain dead move by the new Primceton coach. He's going to have a rough go w/ that admissions group and administration. Long memories in that admissions office, and not all of it good. Madalon isn't too bright.


Cannot understand how a top Ivy commits a kid who hasn't even gotten a report card yet in high school.......More power to the kid and his family, but this is ridiculous. MAybe it will work out, but it is just throwing darts with no high school track record and no SAT/ACT. Good luck to the kid, but Princeton University should be ashamed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brain dead move by the new Primceton coach. He's going to have a rough go w/ that admissions group and administration. Long memories in that admissions office, and not all of it good. Madalon isn't too bright.


Pretty sure being a new hire at a prestigious university w a rich lacrosse background he asked around, another jealous jerk
Not a reclass
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 10 2020's that are better than your #1 2019, Maybe more!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has the #4 2017 recruit, the #1 2018 recruit and the #1 2019 recruit.

Any questions? LOL.


LOL. Another idiotic Strong Island dad.

Have you seen Shellenberger play? The kid is unbelievable. Unlike your kid.



As I suspected, no response. We shut you guys up on the field and on the Internet.
Thank you for that instructional diatribe. I feel so much brighter and more informed and no longer naive. You are truly accretive to society. Go get 'em today undersized man--but fear not I can tell you have the heart of a lion and that counts for more than mere size, speed and body mass.
"2020 Crush LSM/FOGO to Princeton"

Congratulations to the young man and for all others, there truly is hope--the apple can indeed roll far from the tree!
Good for him. Now - get the grades/test scores and he is all set. If not - he will be going somewhere else.
How ironic and hypocritical! IL has run an article highlighting Princeton's commitment to end early recruiting today. Is this a freaking joke?
All right people enough is enough with the attacks on this young man. I personally know him and his family. He is a great kid and a great player. For those who have no clue he is an exceptional student at an exceptional school. He is in the top 2% of academics in the country. He is also a versatile lacrosse player that is truly gifted. Why must people hate or put down a young man for achieving something so amazing. This is a lacrosse board and this is the lacrosse community making these disparaging comments. If you know the family they did not make this decision without thoroughly vetting the situation. Madalon saw ano opportunity to sign a top players with a long familial history of athletic success. Be 100% sure Princetons admissions looked at his academic workload and the advanced classes he is taking before they agreed to the commitment. Can't we just be happy for a great player and his family.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He is listed as a 2019 multiple times on my internets.


Check your facts. This young man has always been a 2020.
How does someone get in the top 2% of academics? Please shut up.
Originally Posted by America's Game
All right people enough is enough with the attacks on this young man. I personally know him and his family. He is a great kid and a great player. For those who have no clue he is an exceptionally onal student at an exceptional school. He is in the top 2% of academics in the country. He is also a versatile lacrosse player that is truly gifted. Why must people hate or put down a young man for achieving something so amazing. This is a lacrosse board and this is the lacrosse community making these disparaging comments. If you know the family they did not make this decision without thoroughly vetting the situation. Madalon saw ano opportunity to sign a top players with a long familial history of athletic success. Be 100% sure Princetons admissions looked at his academic workload and the advanced classes he is taking before they agreed to the commitment. Can't we just be happy for a great player and his family.


Agreed he is a 2020, and excellent academically as well as athletically. The criticism is not of the player, just the hypocrisy of a school ranked #1 by multiple sources . They verbally Comimit a young boty the same day they are cited condemning the practice. This is a school that has an obligation in my opinion to be a leader in reform, they however have just become another follower. Now if my kid was offered, of course I'd be thrilled, but that doesn't make it right.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How does someone get in the top 2% of academics? Please shut up.


It's called being smart.Some people early on in their academic careers are able to separate themselves from the pack and this young man has done so. Ohh and by the way as a moderator I see that you are the main person stirring the pot so please why don't you go away.
It's a ridiculous claim to make that any child that has not even finished 1 semester of high school is in the top two percent of academics. Explain to me how that is measured. Tell me how - a standardized placement test? If that's the case we can do away with the SATs, ACTs, etc. - let's go straight to Princeton.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a ridiculous claim to make that any child that has not even finished 1 semester of high school is in the top two percent of academics. Explain to me how that is measured. Tell me how - a standardized placement test? If that's the case we can do away with the SATs, ACTs, etc. - let's go straight to Princeton.






I was wondering the same thing ? Seems like a rather bold claim with no facts to back it up
PRINCETON, N.J. -- The Ivy League, continuing its commitment to a student-centered model of Division I athletics, has proposed NCAA legislation to allow prospective student-athletes more time in the recruiting process to make the important decision of where to attend college.

“The pressure on prospective student-athletes to commit to a specific college earlier and earlier is a national issue,” said Executive Director Robin Harris. “It causes stress for prospects and their families, as they are often asked to make a life-altering decision as high school freshmen or sophomores, and sometimes even before they have started high school.

“Our goals are to elevate the national conversation about the negative effects of early recruiting, and to challenge the NCAA membership to change the culture of recruiting that forces prospective student-athletes to verbally commit before they are academically, athletically, or emotionally ready to make their college choice.”

Early recruiting of prospects occurs despite existing NCAA rules that prohibit coaches from initiating contact until the junior year of high school. Through various workarounds, including non-scholastic coaches and social media, access to prospective student-athletes has accelerated the recruiting timeline.

This past May, the Ivy League Directors of Athletics charged the League office with reviewing early recruiting practices and proposing NCAA legislation to address the problems.

The Ivy League proposals focus on multiple aspects of the recruiting process, such as the timeline for verbal commitments, contact during camps, and expanding limits on telephone calls and unofficial visits.

Specifically, coaches would not be allowed to make verbal offers of financial aid or support in the admission process prior to the start of the prospective student-athlete’s junior year. Additionally, other means of communication, such as initiating or receiving telephone calls, planning unofficial visits and having recruiting conversations at camps and clinics would be prohibited prior to the start of the junior year.

The Ivy League is not alone in trying to remedy early recruiting. Several national coaches groups have identified early recruiting as a significant problem. Other proposals addressing the recruiting timeline have been introduced into the NCAA legislative cycle, including proposals specific to field hockey, women’s gymnastics, and men’s and women’s lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a ridiculous claim to make that any child that has not even finished 1 semester of high school is in the top two percent of academics. Explain to me how that is measured. Tell me how - a standardized placement test? If that's the case we can do away with the SATs, ACTs, etc. - let's go straight to Princeton.





Are you kidding. If you have ever been around or have a child that is gifted teachers know. There are programs like STEM that my 11th grader was fast tracked for in 5th grade. Also there are programs and school for kids of exceptional intelligence. These kids are among us and actually are fully capable of blending in without others know. Unlike many parents of kids who are athletes these parents arent decked out in gear screaming that their child is off the charts smart.

Here is some info about LISG where my kid went when at a young age he was well beyond his peers when it came to schooling.

The Long Island School for the Gifted (LISG), located in South Huntington, New [lacrosse], is a unique and exciting school for grades Pre-K - 9. We are a community dedicated to providing an outstanding education for academically gifted children where they are nurtured and treasured.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a ridiculous claim to make that any child that has not even finished 1 semester of high school is in the top two percent of academics. Explain to me how that is measured. Tell me how - a standardized placement test? If that's the case we can do away with the SATs, ACTs, etc. - let's go straight to Princeton.





As I stated earlier I know the family very well. This young man is on that level.
sounds like the dad talking here..otherwise who would care to weigh in on how well they know someone and what a great student they are..cmon', come clean Dad..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sounds like the dad talking here..otherwise who would care to weigh in on how well they know someone and what a great student they are..cmon', come clean Dad..


Guy's I am the moderator and no I am not the young man's parent. As for the previous post about LISG it's not a parent either. Yet again let it rest. Kid is a great kid, from a great family.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sounds like the dad talking here..otherwise who would care to weigh in on how well they know someone and what a great student they are..cmon', come clean Dad..


Grasping at straws? Why does it bother you so damn much?
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sounds like the dad talking here..otherwise who would care to weigh in on how well they know someone and what a great student they are..cmon', come clean Dad..


Guy's I am the moderator and no I am not the young man's parent. As for the previous post about LISG it's not a parent either. Yet again let it rest. Kid is a great kid, from a great family.
How on earth do you know its not a parent who wrote about the LISG comment?
Congratulations, Holdback or no holdback, the parents did right by the boy. He has a commitment with Princeton. He has the opportunity of a lifetime ahead of him with or without lacrosse. How could any parent criticize this on any level?
"2020 Crush LSM/FOGO to Princeton"

Man the resentment arising from this comment is seething in here smile. Unreal

Congrats to this kid and his family
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"2020 Crush LSM/FOGO to Princeton"

Man the resentment arising from this comment is seething in here smile. Unreal

Congrats to this kid and his family


Deserving young man receives great opportunity...forum trolls lose their minds.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"2020 Crush LSM/FOGO to Princeton"

Man the resentment arising from this comment is seething in here smile. Unreal

Congrats to this kid and his family
Yep, there exists in every area, a few parents that hate to see anyone achieve success. Its sad but its everywhere. If you noticed the kids instragrams comments, every kid from every teams across east coast congratulate kids when they commit. Then we get those parents, that just resent it. We have them on Long Island, in Philly and Baltimore. There are so many grown ups that can not stand to see good things happen to other kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sounds like the dad talking here..otherwise who would care to weigh in on how well they know someone and what a great student they are..cmon', come clean Dad..


Guy's I am the moderator and no I am not the young man's parent. As for the previous post about LISG it's not a parent either. Yet again let it rest. Kid is a great kid, from a great family.
How on earth do you know its not a parent who wrote about the LISG comment?


Because I know who wrote it. As a moderator we have certain abilities to see who what and where things are coming from. Like I know how most of this stuff was started by a Maryland parent.
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sounds like the dad talking here..otherwise who would care to weigh in on how well they know someone and what a great student they are..cmon', come clean Dad..


Guy's I am the moderator and no I am not the young man's parent. As for the previous post about LISG it's not a parent either. Yet again let it rest. Kid is a great kid, from a great family.
How on earth do you know its not a parent who wrote about the LISG comment?


Because I know who wrote it. As a moderator we have certain abilities to see who what and where things are coming from. Like I know how most of this stuff was started by a Maryland parent.
So you have certain abilities to stir the pot as well. Hmmmm interesting. New spin on anonymity.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
sounds like the dad talking here..otherwise who would care to weigh in on how well they know someone and what a great student they are..cmon', come clean Dad..


Guy's I am the moderator and no I am not the young man's parent. As for the previous post about LISG it's not a parent either. Yet again let it rest. Kid is a great kid, from a great family.
How on earth do you know its not a parent who wrote about the LISG comment?


Because I know who wrote it. As a moderator we have certain abilities to see who what and where things are coming from. Like I know how most of this stuff was started by a Maryland parent.
So you have certain abilities to stir the pot as well. Hmmmm interesting. New spin on anonymity.

Why would I look to hurt or attack anyone on this site as a moderator. I became involved with the site a few years back when there was a rouge moderator that allowed for kids to be attacked on an everyday basis. They are gone FYI. The anonymity of the internet or the perceived anonymity gives people a false sense of security that what they post will not come back to them. Well thats 100% incorrect. Its funny to see parents whos kids are teammates or once were teammates and friends of kids posting crap. I will always look out for the best interest of the kids as best I can.
The problem is not the kid, his parents, his qualifications, his abilities, etc. The problem is that early recruiting is out of control. The Ivy league sends out a press release saying they are against early recruiting and within day we have the earliest commit ever to Princeton. I'm sorry - there are 12th graders with 4.0+ GPAs and perfect SAT scores that may not get into Princeton - but they are going to provide a verbal commitment to a 14 year old? You can't have it both ways.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem is not the kid, his parents, his qualifications, his abilities, etc. The problem is that early recruiting is out of control. The Ivy league sends out a press release saying they are against early recruiting and within day we have the earliest commit ever to Princeton. I'm sorry - there are 12th graders with 4.0+ GPAs and perfect SAT scores that may not get into Princeton - but they are going to provide a verbal commitment to a 14 year old? You can't have it both ways.


Why so much heartburn about early recruiting? Does not really impact my kid if another kid commits early.

Afraid that all the good spots will be taken? If your kid's not getting noticed in his peer group now, will probably be pretty much the same (for most) in 2-3 years.

How can a 9th grader know what he wants in a college? If the kid is getting a foot in the door at Hopkins or Duke or Notre dame, or Princeton, I have a hard time seeing a downside.

I don't think anyone here would say "no thanks" if any of those schools came knocking for their 9th grader.

You said it yourself it's a verbal. Kid has to keep up his part. There are players playing at Top Academic football programs who can barely read or write a difference your worried about a non funded Ivy League School. This is all college sports not just lacrosse.
I seriously doubt there are any football players at Duke, Notre Dame and Stanford who cant read or write.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem is not the kid, his parents, his qualifications, his abilities, etc. The problem is that early recruiting is out of control. The Ivy league sends out a press release saying they are against early recruiting and within day we have the earliest commit ever to Princeton. I'm sorry - there are 12th graders with 4.0+ GPAs and perfect SAT scores that may not get into Princeton - but they are going to provide a verbal commitment to a 14 year old? You can't have it both ways.


Why so much heartburn about early recruiting? Does not really impact my kid if another kid commits early.

Afraid that all the good spots will be taken? If your kid's not getting noticed in his peer group now, will probably be pretty much the same (for most) in 2-3 years.

How can a 9th grader know what he wants in a college? If the kid is getting a foot in the door at Hopkins or Duke or Notre dame, or Princeton, I have a hard time seeing a downside.

I don't think anyone here would say "no thanks" if any of those schools came knocking for their 9th grader.



You answered your own question - "How can a 9th grader know what he wants in a college?" In addition to that, it pushes all of the elements of recruiting - including the associated stresses - down to younger and younger kids. And that, in turn, encourages players and parents to game that system and/or get caught up in it. Personally, I don't think a college should be able to make contact with a student athlete until they hit their junior year. There's very little good that comes of early recruiting.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I seriously doubt there are any football players at Duke, Notre Dame and Stanford who cant read or write.


I was being facetious. It was just a point. There are plenty of fully funded sports that make exceptions to the admissions processes for their athletes. This is not and will not be the case for this student athlete that everyone is hemming and hawing over.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem is not the kid, his parents, his qualifications, his abilities, etc. The problem is that early recruiting is out of control. The Ivy league sends out a press release saying they are against early recruiting and within day we have the earliest commit ever to Princeton. I'm sorry - there are 12th graders with 4.0+ GPAs and perfect SAT scores that may not get into Princeton - but they are going to provide a verbal commitment to a 14 year old? You can't have it both ways.


Why so much heartburn about early recruiting? Does not really impact my kid if another kid commits early.

Afraid that all the good spots will be taken? If your kid's not getting noticed in his peer group now, will probably be pretty much the same (for most) in 2-3 years.

How can a 9th grader know what he wants in a college? If the kid is getting a foot in the door at Hopkins or Duke or Notre dame, or Princeton, I have a hard time seeing a downside.

I don't think anyone here would say "no thanks" if any of those schools came knocking for their 9th grader.



You answered your own question - "How can a 9th grader know what he wants in a college?" In addition to that, it pushes all of the elements of recruiting - including the associated stresses - down to younger and younger kids. And that, in turn, encourages players and parents to game that system and/or get caught up in it. Personally, I don't think a college should be able to make contact with a student athlete until they hit their junior year. There's very little good that comes of early recruiting.


I was not asking that, just stating one if the common arguments against. Early recruiting to elite colleges #firstworldproblems
I live in the first world. Early recruiting is a problem.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I live in the first world. Early recruiting is a problem.


A problem for whom? Don't think it's a problem for the kids getting recruited, I don't hear any of them complaining.

The schools? I think those huge institutions, with tens of thousands of students and multi-billion dollar endowments will be ok if they take bets on a handful of kids each year.

So who then?
People who's kids can't get recruited early Hate early recruiting Comical
The only people who should worry about early recruits are the coaches of the team. People forget its the coaches job to win games and do the best they can to help the young men in their program. More than ever before coaches are under pressure to win. You dont win now its bye bye. It was very evident over this summer with the coaching carousel that was presented. Coaches take calculated risks on these young players. Will they pan out into the player that the coach hopes they will. Will they stay committed to that program. We have seen a lot of players switch commitments Junior and Senior years in high school that were early recruits. Often is it due to not meeting the grades or a few down years at the program they committed to early. It also could be because the player just doesnt like the school or coach anymore. There is no formula. Coaches have had their hand forced into early recruiting because many of the top programs did it and were successful. Issue is how many cant miss kids are they in each class that can be predicted in 9th grade. Its really a handful. Coaches hope they can catch lightning in a bottle with an early recruit. Yet please dont forget these coaches have their job on the line.
Originally Posted by America's Game
The only people who should worry about early recruits are the coaches of the team. People forget its the coaches job to win games and do the best they can to help the young men in their program. More than ever before coaches are under pressure to win. You dont win now its bye bye. It was very evident over this summer with the coaching carousel that was presented. Coaches take calculated risks on these young players. Will they pan out into the player that the coach hopes they will. Will they stay committed to that program. We have seen a lot of players switch commitments Junior and Senior years in high school that were early recruits. Often is it due to not meeting the grades or a few down years at the program they committed to early. It also could be because the player just doesnt like the school or coach anymore. There is no formula. Coaches have had their hand forced into early recruiting because many of the top programs did it and were successful. Issue is how many cant miss kids are they in each class that can be predicted in 9th grade. Its really a handful. Coaches hope they can catch lightning in a bottle with an early recruit. Yet please dont forget these coaches have their job on the line.


Good point, and a perspective that many (including me) probably had not considered.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I live in the first world. Early recruiting is a problem.


A problem for whom? Don't think it's a problem for the kids getting recruited, I don't hear any of them complaining.

The schools? I think those huge institutions, with tens of thousands of students and multi-billion dollar endowments will be ok if they take bets on a handful of kids each year.

So who then?


If you don't think it is a problem for the kids that are getting recruited, then you have spoken to the wrong parents (whose kids have been forced into this situation). The kids are too young to make this important decision, they have no idea what they are really committing to, and it puts them under an extreme amount of pressure every time they step onto the field. The kids are the only ones being hurt and there is NO reason that this needs to be happening.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I live in the first world. Early recruiting is a problem.


A problem for whom? Don't think it's a problem for the kids getting recruited, I don't hear any of them complaining.

The schools? I think those huge institutions, with tens of thousands of students and multi-billion dollar endowments will be ok if they take bets on a handful of kids each year.

So who then?


If you don't think it is a problem for the kids that are getting recruited, then you have spoken to the wrong parents (whose kids have been forced into this situation). The kids are too young to make this important decision, they have no idea what they are really committing to, and it puts them under an extreme amount of pressure every time they step onto the field. The kids are the only ones being hurt and there is NO reason that this needs to be happening.


How could anyone be "forced" into this situation - we're not talking about human trafficking. One could argue, and I will, that removing the stress of navigating the admissions process, to multiple schools, frees up a kid for more productive endeavors - kind of like FastPass® for college.

Please show me the kid who regrets going to Duke or UNC.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I live in the first world. Early recruiting is a problem.


A problem for whom? Don't think it's a problem for the kids getting recruited, I don't hear any of them complaining.

The schools? I think those huge institutions, with tens of thousands of students and multi-billion dollar endowments will be ok if they take bets on a handful of kids each year.

So who then?


If you don't think it is a problem for the kids that are getting recruited, then you have spoken to the wrong parents (whose kids have been forced into this situation). The kids are too young to make this important decision, they have no idea what they are really committing to, and it puts them under an extreme amount of pressure every time they step onto the field. The kids are the only ones being hurt and there is NO reason that this needs to be happening.


Travel sports have become a pressure cooker for kids. Its a shame but thats the nature of the beast. I think your forgetting one vital component. Parents are 100% involved in the process. Do you think a parent is not looking out for their childs best interest. I am sure that a parent is doing everything in their power to make sure their child has the best opportunity in life. You are making it sound as if its Lord of the Flies and kids are on their own. Thats not the case and the parents of early commits to top academic programs have done their homework.
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I live in the first world. Early recruiting is a problem.


A problem for whom? Don't think it's a problem for the kids getting recruited, I don't hear any of them complaining.

The schools? I think those huge institutions, with tens of thousands of students and multi-billion dollar endowments will be ok if they take bets on a handful of kids each year.

So who then?


If you don't think it is a problem for the kids that are getting recruited, then you have spoken to the wrong parents (whose kids have been forced into this situation). The kids are too young to make this important decision, they have no idea what they are really committing to, and it puts them under an extreme amount of pressure every time they step onto the field. The kids are the only ones being hurt and there is NO reason that this needs to be happening.


Travel sports have become a pressure cooker for kids. Its a shame but thats the nature of the beast. I think your forgetting one vital component. Parents are 100% involved in the process. Do you think a parent is not looking out for their childs best interest. I am sure that a parent is doing everything in their power to make sure their child has the best opportunity in life. You are making it sound as if its Lord of the Flies and kids are on their own. Thats not the case and the parents of early commits to top academic programs have done their homework.


The parents feel pressure too, and it doesn't have to be this way. The parents do like it one bit. There is no reason this needs to be happening in 9th grade (or even before) no reason.
Are there any teams looking for players in the Western Suffolk area.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are there any teams looking for players in the Western Suffolk area.


Try Outlaws
come one, come all.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are there any teams looking for players in the Western Suffolk area.


Try Outlaws


Received and E-mail from BOC earlier this afternoon that they still had spots open . . .!
Visor dad has spoken!
Visor/belly dad coaching from the sideline...complaining about the man up, the offense, the clears because he knew best when he was PAL coach... get a life.
Belly Dad too? how come he gets all the cool nicknames?
Let me get this straight....... You have already gotten a 14 year old kid that has done nothing wrong kicked off a team he loved to play for yet the comments keep coming. You should be very proud of yourselves.
Let me get this straight....... You have already gotten a 14 year old kid that has done nothing wrong kicked off his team yet the comments keep coming. You should be very proud of yourselves.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Visor dad has spoken!


What town is visor dad from?
I'm a lacrosse parent and I have yet to see a team that doesn't have multiple parents complaining; that's youth sports. What's much more annoying is people like you, who would not be adult enough to voice your concern publicly, but would hide behind the anonymity of this website to attack. You're the guy who is all smiles on the sideline, likely kissing the coaches butts, but tearing everyone apart behind the scenes. Give me a complainer over a spineless coward like you any day.
is there an actual person "Visor Dad"? thought this was a general term for a type of parent? Does this person know they are called Visor dad? you guys are all nuts, and i hope to have a drink with you in 10 years and listen to you compare your sons jobs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by America's Game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I live in the first world. Early recruiting is a problem.


A problem for whom? Don't think it's a problem for the kids getting recruited, I don't hear any of them complaining.

The schools? I think those huge institutions, with tens of thousands of students and multi-billion dollar endowments will be ok if they take bets on a handful of kids each year.

So who then?


If you don't think it is a problem for the kids that are getting recruited, then you have spoken to the wrong parents (whose kids have been forced into this situation). The kids are too young to make this important decision, they have no idea what they are really committing to, and it puts them under an extreme amount of pressure every time they step onto the field. The kids are the only ones being hurt and there is NO reason that this needs to be happening.


Travel sports have become a pressure cooker for kids. Its a shame but thats the nature of the beast. I think your forgetting one vital component. Parents are 100% involved in the process. Do you think a parent is not looking out for their childs best interest. I am sure that a parent is doing everything in their power to make sure their child has the best opportunity in life. You are making it sound as if its Lord of the Flies and kids are on their own. Thats not the case and the parents of early commits to top academic programs have done their homework.


The parents feel pressure too, and it doesn't have to be this way. The parents do like it one bit. There is no reason this needs to be happening in 9th grade (or even before) no reason.
Victims of their own success? Let's be honest, kids and parents know that if they are playing on top teams, going to top recruiting tournaments, and training and working as hard as they can to be a top player, then recruiting attention will come. How many families would say "I want my kid to play at the top of the age group, but we are going with a second level team and tournaments to avoid the recruiting fiasco."?
I thought visor/belly dad was the omnipresent figure on all teams... did not realize it was a specific guy either... if he in fact is he's garnered a lot of air time over the pages and years of botc
is visor and belly dad also croc dad?
Anyone give me advice on 2020 team 91?
Coaching
Team chemistry
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone give me advice on 2020 team 91?
Coaching
Team chemistry


So you're thinking of having your son go play there next? They are always looking for new kids, I'm sure they'll make room for him.
Looking forward to fall tournaments, but already sick of prospect days. I just want to yell out "pass the f@#%ing ball"
[quote=Anonymous]Looking forward to fall tournaments, but already sick of prospect days. I just want to yell out "pass the f@#%ing ball"

Prospect days are nothing more than a way for college programs to supplement the income of under paid assistant coaches. Its a known fact. General invites are sent from tournament roster lists to fill most prospect days with numbers to pad the income. If your kid is truly being looked at and under consideration from a specific school/coach, you will be contacted directly thru a club or HS school coach contact. If not, save your money and don't put your hopes and dreams into prospect days.
You couldn't be more wrong re: Prospect Days. It is true that they are a way to pay the asst coaches. However, many kids get discovered at prospect days that are not on a schools radar. I know 2 kids that got recruited because of a performance at prospect day's and these kids were not on the schools radar prior to the prospect day. A good performance at a prospect day is worth it's weight in gold.
[quote=Anonymous]You couldn't be more wrong re: Prospect Days. It is true that they are a way to pay the asst coaches. However, many kids get discovered at prospect days that are not on a schools radar. I know 2 kids that got recruited because of a performance at prospect day's and these kids were not on the schools radar prior to the prospect day. A good performance at a prospect day is worth it's weight in gold.

You're wrong. OK, you the know the 2 out of 350 who were recruited from a prospect day. Congrats. Save your money
It works the other way too. My son did not like one of the coaches and the feel at a prospect day and took that school off his list. The days do give the coach a full day to see get a better feel for the player as well. Are they picking their teams solely from the prospect day, of course not, but you play well and its great specific exposure.
If you are the top kid at your position they will call you back it is a no brainer these PROSPECT DAYS .... That being said go to the ones that your son is interested and narrow your school search down
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]You couldn't be more wrong re: Prospect Days. It is true that they are a way to pay the asst coaches. However, many kids get discovered at prospect days that are not on a schools radar. I know 2 kids that got recruited because of a performance at prospect day's and these kids were not on the schools radar prior to the prospect day. A good performance at a prospect day is worth it's weight in gold.

You're wrong. OK, you the know the 2 out of 350 who were recruited from a prospect day. Congrats. Save your money


350 at a prospect day ? How many have u been to ?
Prospect days are all of the above
A money grab
a great way for you to see the coaches and how they intermingle
A great way to get in front of the coach and HOPEFULLY catch his attention. if you are not on their radar

And many coaches want you on the campus, I would venture a guess that at many schools 10 to maybe 25% went to some sort of prospect day on that campus. That wasnt where they were first recognized but they participated in some sort of event

But for those sayig they are a money grab, I see them as being just as good as a good clinic and to me well worth the money. one mans opinion
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Prospect days are all of the above
A money grab
a great way for you to see the coaches and how they intermingle
A great way to get in front of the coach and HOPEFULLY catch his attention. if you are not on their radar

And many coaches want you on the campus, I would venture a guess that at many schools 10 to maybe 25% went to some sort of prospect day on that campus. That wasnt where they were first recognized but they participated in some sort of event

But for those sayig they are a money grab, I see them as being just as good as a good clinic and to me well worth the money. one mans opinion


I agree. But it still would be nice if kids knew that being a ball hog and forcing a play does not help them catch anyone's attention in a good way. Showcasing your skills should not equal bad lacrosse.
DELETED playing in next tournament? Would love to see what all the chatter is about.
I know a lot of kids who play D1 lacrosse, not one of them made a team because of a prospect day. The majority of them made it because of an Alumni recommendation to the coach. I am sure their are prospect day kids on the team, but there are other factors.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know a lot of kids who play D1 lacrosse, not one of them made a team because of a prospect day. The majority of them made it because of an Alumni recommendation to the coach. I am sure their are prospect day kids on the team, but there are other factors.


Bravo for your dopey post. Best way to get on a D1 team is to know an alumni?

My kid is a C team player but I went to Notre Dame so I guess he should be all set.
Why is everyone's kid looking to go to D1 on this site. All you hear is D1, D1, D1. Holy crap. How about sharing info that may help parents and players to educate themselves on certain topics or good D2 or D3 schools. You don't have to be ashamed to mention the others. Who cares as long as þe kid plays lax in a good school that has academics that they are looking for, them that's all that should matter. They are not going anywhere after college with the sport anyway.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is everyone's kid looking to go to D1 on this site. All you hear is D1, D1, D1. Holy crap. How about sharing info that may help parents and players to educate themselves on certain topics or good D2 or D3 schools. You don't have to be ashamed to mention the others. Who cares as long as þe kid plays lax in a good school that has academics that they are looking for, them that's all that should matter. They are not going anywhere after college with the sport anyway.


I'm not ashamed at all. My son is looking at D3 schools. His main focus is NOT lax when it comes to college. It's getting a degree worth something, so he has decided a D3 program will give him more time for what he is really going to college for. His love for lacrosse isn't going to pay the bills.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is everyone's kid looking to go to D1 on this site. All you hear is D1, D1, D1. Holy crap. How about sharing info that may help parents and players to educate themselves on certain topics or good D2 or D3 schools. You don't have to be ashamed to mention the others. Who cares as long as þe kid plays lax in a good school that has academics that they are looking for, them that's all that should matter. They are not going anywhere after college with the sport anyway.


I will tell you why, egos...
I want my kids to pick at college that will fit them as a student and person, if they can play a sport, great, if not, well then they play intramurals or club. College years are the best years of your life and feeling like a sport is a "job" might be great for some, but I have to say, unless the kid is totally into it, they will hate it. And, there is no way any 9th grader out there really knows what playing a sport in college means. I feel really bad for the kids (parents) that are swept up in the "my only goal is to play D 1 lacrosse", I hope if works out, but I will bet more kids will have terrible experiences than not. sad really
As parents, we have a responsibility to help guide (not run) their future. If D1, or otherwise, it's important to pick a school that is a good fit academically, size, culture, etc. Playing lacrosse is not obligatory. Having said that, I would like my son to play because it makes good students better students. For many of these kids it will be the first time away from home for an extended period of time. This new found freedom, left unchecked, could lead to bad behavior (even if your son is generally a good kid). By playing a sport he gains a network of friends and has an obligation to the team which will deter (not necessarily prevent) him from doing something dumb. He can still have fun but will not be able to party as much as a kid that doesn't play a sport. Lastly, it is a job, albeit a fun one, so he will have to manage his time accordingly to ensure he maintains his grades which is the real reason he is going to school.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is everyone's kid looking to go to D1 on this site. All you hear is D1, D1, D1. Holy crap. How about sharing info that may help parents and players to educate themselves on certain topics or good D2 or D3 schools. You don't have to be ashamed to mention the others. Who cares as long as þe kid plays lax in a good school that has academics that they are looking for, them that's all that should matter. They are not going anywhere after college with the sport anyway.


I will tell you why, egos...
I want my kids to pick at college that will fit them as a student and person, if they can play a sport, great, if not, well then they play intramurals or club. College years are the best years of your life and feeling like a sport is a "job" might be great for some, but I have to say, unless the kid is totally into it, they will hate it. And, there is no way any 9th grader out there really knows what playing a sport in college means. I feel really bad for the kids (parents) that are swept up in the "my only goal is to play D 1 lacrosse", I hope if works out, but I will bet more kids will have terrible experiences than not. sad really


Most HS upper classmen won't have a clue about what it means to play an NCAA sport, particulalry at the D1 level. Even if they've been told about what it involves, until they've lived it coupled with all of the other experiences that come with newly being in college, most really have zero clue. Just the intensity and competitiveness alone will be a shock to them!
Hey domer --- the next time you can talk is when your football team is over .500 ... unitl you can beat NC State zip it! thanks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey domer --- the next time you can talk is when your football team is over .500 ... unitl you can beat NC State zip it! thanks.


What is this supposed to mean?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How come this so called 'great' 91 player hasn't commit yet? Don't try and target kids.

That statement speaks for itself
I ask that people don't mention kids please. I will delete posts.
If ranking teams on LI bull nation is now up there considering they beat igloo today who beat taz
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If ranking teams on LI bull nation is now up there considering they beat igloo today who beat taz


3,500 to play on a team that can't beat a town team?
Would like to see Bull Nation play Taz.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn't be more wrong re: Prospect Days. It is true that they are a way to pay the asst coaches. However, many kids get discovered at prospect days that are not on a schools radar. I know 2 kids that got recruited because of a performance at prospect day's and these kids were not on the schools radar prior to the prospect day. A good performance at a prospect day is worth it's weight in gold.


Agree. It is a great way for the coaches to see kids they are interested in. Coaches often see a kid play at a tournament and invite the kid to a prospect day to see them in a different environment.
I have taken my boys to several prospect days. Some are better than others. It's well worth doing if your kid is interested in that particular school. Otherwise - probably not. One thing is certain - each coach will make fun of Little baby Ty Ty Xanders and recruiting rundown. Bet on it...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn't be more wrong re: Prospect Days. It is true that they are a way to pay the asst coaches. However, many kids get discovered at prospect days that are not on a schools radar. I know 2 kids that got recruited because of a performance at prospect day's and these kids were not on the schools radar prior to the prospect day. A good performance at a prospect day is worth it's weight in gold.


Agree. It is a great way for the coaches to see kids they are interested in. Coaches often see a kid play at a tournament and invite the kid to a prospect day to see them in a different environment.


Whole different story if you are personally invited to a prospect day. That means you are already on their radar. It is a long shot, at a minimum, if you show up as a complete unknown.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If ranking teams on LI bull nation is now up there considering they beat igloo today who beat taz


3,500 to play on a team that can't beat a town team?


Kind of suggests that the whole travel team hype is just that. Refreshing! Unfortunately this matchup won't happen, but the lesson is that a good pick up team can be better than a $$$$ travel team. Everyone wins except the greedy travel team directors
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If ranking teams on LI bull nation is now up there considering they beat igloo today who beat taz


3,500 to play on a team that can't beat a town team?


Kind of suggests that the whole travel team hype is just that. Refreshing! Unfortunately this matchup won't happen, but the lesson is that a good pick up team can be better than a $$$$ travel team. Everyone wins except the greedy travel team directors



No it does not. Every kid on Bull Nation plays travel.
WHO Cares !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just keep working hard
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If ranking teams on LI bull nation is now up there considering they beat igloo today who beat taz


3,500 to play on a team that can't beat a town team?


Kind of suggests that the whole travel team hype is just that. Refreshing! Unfortunately this matchup won't happen, but the lesson is that a good pick up team can be better than a $$$$ travel team. Everyone wins except the greedy travel team directors



No it does not. Every kid on Bull Nation plays travel.


quite a few don't actually!
Was at least 10 outlaws on team
I know the Bull Nation team. My sons friends play for them. They are majority Smithtown boys, some play travel, some don't. there are a handful of other boys that are friends with them that have joined the team. They have been playing together for years as a core group. Just a group of boys who love to play with each other and work hard as a team. And, oddly enough, actually have fun doing it. Go figure. That's why they are becoming one of the top teams on LI.
No LI town team is beating Manhsset, so keep pulling your two high schools together and adding some "friends" neighboring towns or club teams and trying.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No LI town team is beating Manhsset, so keep pulling your two high schools together and adding some "friends" neighboring towns or club teams and trying.


Good luck with that, you can't even spell your towns name correctly!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No LI town team is beating Manhsset, so keep pulling your two high schools together and adding some "friends" neighboring towns or club teams and trying.


You mean Manhasset with Port add ins.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was at least 10 outlaws on team


More like 5, with 3 being from Smithtown
CSH might have something to say about the outcome of a game with manhasset...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CSH might have something to say about the outcome of a game with manhasset...



Cat Fight.....
Bonn bailed on Manhasset this year
Does Manhasset really need to pull kids in from Port? Get real.
He did, in a show of support of your old coach. And that is the ONLY reason. Most are not happy about it but understand his decision for this year. Was discussing class of '20 though.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does Manhasset really need to pull kids in from Port? Get real.


They have in the past
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He did, in a show of support of your old coach. And that is the ONLY reason. Most are not happy about it but understand his decision for this year. Was discussing class of '20 though.
Understand his decision? Really? Old coach and new coach good friends. While I'm sure old coach appreciates gesture, no way he let's a break in tradition happen for new coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn't be more wrong re: Prospect Days. It is true that they are a way to pay the asst coaches. However, many kids get discovered at prospect days that are not on a schools radar. I know 2 kids that got recruited because of a performance at prospect day's and these kids were not on the schools radar prior to the prospect day. A good performance at a prospect day is worth it's weight in gold.


Agree. It is a great way for the coaches to see kids they are interested in. Coaches often see a kid play at a tournament and invite the kid to a prospect day to see them in a different environment.


Whole different story if you are personally invited to a prospect day. That means you are already on their radar. It is a long shot, at a minimum, if you show up as a complete unknown.


love the reclassed kid who shows up a few weeks ago and keeps demolished. amybe reclass another year, heard it is the rage.
When did Bull Nation beat Taz?
You guys talk a lot considering the best 2020 teams are from the Mid Atlantic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When did Bull Nation beat Taz?


There are 3 Taz players on Bull Nation. They would probably be better off staying with BN for a quarter of the price! Would be an interesting match up!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn't be more wrong re: Prospect Days. It is true that they are a way to pay the asst coaches. However, many kids get discovered at prospect days that are not on a schools radar. I know 2 kids that got recruited because of a performance at prospect day's and these kids were not on the schools radar prior to the prospect day. A good performance at a prospect day is worth it's weight in gold.


Agree. It is a great way for the coaches to see kids they are interested in. Coaches often see a kid play at a tournament and invite the kid to a prospect day to see them in a different environment.


Whole different story if you are personally invited to a prospect day. That means you are already on their radar. It is a long shot, at a minimum, if you show up as a complete unknown.


love the reclassed kid who shows up a few weeks ago and keeps demolished. amybe reclass another year, heard it is the rage.


It's called Karma! I don't usually secretly wish that a kid falls on their [lacrosse]....but, in the case of the holdbacks, they are asking for it! Shame on the parents for putting their kid in this position. Clearly they think they are helping, setting up deals to ensure success. I love to hear the stories of where it backfires, it's on you Lax Dad for not playing by the rules! Triple holdback perhaps?
Don't think Bull Nation ever played TAZ. But if the three taz kids play on Bull Nation, and Bull Nation has their full team, Bull Nation is better team after seeing them beat Igloo. I hear three of Bull Nations top players could not play with them this weekend ND they still won.
Ok, this bull nation bs is all coming from a delusional parent or coach on the team. Please stop. Average team at best that won a b level tourney.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, this bull nation bs is all coming from a delusional parent or coach on the team. Please stop. Average team at best that won a b level tourney.


What's the matter, are you mad that your team is not being discussed? Don't worry we will be talking about the whippin your team gets in a few weeks when you are off to play the MD holdbacks. Then we will hear you crying that life's not fair. Bull Nation can compete with any team on LI. 9th grade is where we see big changes in the boys B team players emerge as A teamers and many of those dominate in Middle School begin to slip. Unless your team is Crush, of course!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does Manhasset really need to pull kids in from Port? Get real.


What's the problem? You add Port kids you get Visor Dad.

It is a win-win.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, this bull nation bs is all coming from a delusional parent or coach on the team. Please stop. Average team at best that won a b level tourney.


What's the matter, are you mad that your team is not being discussed? Don't worry we will be talking about the whippin your team gets in a few weeks when you are off to play the MD holdbacks. Then we will hear you crying that life's not fair. Bull Nation can compete with any team on LI. 9th grade is where we see big changes in the boys B team players emerge as A teamers and many of those dominate in Middle School begin to slip. Unless your team is Crush, of course!


hahaha, yeah i hope thee wernt any of those same bulls players that played in the supposed 2021 world series of lacrosse.. Oh i mean 2020 eligible world series of lacrosse series. Last year, I seem to remember a really good group of 2020 kids joining forces with some older friends and taking any comers. Those were some 2020's. challenging themselves upwards and onwards not backwards.
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
"He did, in a show of support of your old coach. And that is the ONLY reason. Most are not happy about it but understand his decision for this year. Was discussing class of '20 though."

"Understand his decision? Really? Old coach and new coach good friends. While I'm sure old coach appreciates gesture, no way he let's a break in tradition happen for new coach."

Guy, let it go, you are speaking out of your azz and do not know what you are talking about. Yes, old and new coach get along and yes, DB and KC are friendly and we in CSH wish KC the best of luck and like him. It's not a matter of either of the coaches from 'Set "letting it happen". I'm sure rivalry will ensue again in '18. These teams for three decades played three times a year being in the same division with the third time usually deciding the County champion... One year show of coaching solidarity and some form of protest vs Manhasset admin for coaches firing. Keep in mind who last Manhasset AD was and where he came from as well.
ANYONE ATTENDING THIS IGLOO SHOWCASE???? LOOKS LIKE A REAL WINNER WITH THE TIMES TA HAS FOR THE 2020 GROUP .....
Shill. Move on.
2021s have great time slots...wonder why! Money grab especially for 2022s
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
"He did, in a show of support of your old coach. And that is the ONLY reason. Most are not happy about it but understand his decision for this year. Was discussing class of '20 though."

"Understand his decision? Really? Old coach and new coach good friends. While I'm sure old coach appreciates gesture, no way he let's a break in tradition happen for new coach."

Guy, let it go, you are speaking out of your azz and do not know what you are talking about. Yes, old and new coach get along and yes, DB and KC are friendly and we in CSH wish KC the best of luck and like him. It's not a matter of either of the coaches from 'Set "letting it happen". I'm sure rivalry will ensue again in '18. These teams for three decades played three times a year being in the same division with the third time usually deciding the County champion... One year show of coaching solidarity and some form of protest vs Manhasset admin for coaches firing. Keep in mind who last Manhasset AD was and where he came from as well.
Merely suggesting old coach wouldn't let a cowardly move of bailing on such a tradition is talking out of azz? I guess the AD never helped DB when waters got a little rough either? Oh, and by the way, your little cowardly move of bailing on the rivalry only hurts the kids, nothing more. Go justify it somewhere else.
Another Visor Dad reference - what Manhasset team takes kids from Port Washington?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
"He did, in a show of support of your old coach. And that is the ONLY reason. Most are not happy about it but understand his decision for this year. Was discussing class of '20 though."

"Understand his decision? Really? Old coach and new coach good friends. While I'm sure old coach appreciates gesture, no way he let's a break in tradition happen for new coach."

Guy, let it go, you are speaking out of your azz and do not know what you are talking about. Yes, old and new coach get along and yes, DB and KC are friendly and we in CSH wish KC the best of luck and like him. It's not a matter of either of the coaches from 'Set "letting it happen". I'm sure rivalry will ensue again in '18. These teams for three decades played three times a year being in the same division with the third time usually deciding the County champion... One year show of coaching solidarity and some form of protest vs Manhasset admin for coaches firing. Keep in mind who last Manhasset AD was and where he came from as well.


What am I missing in this discussion? KC was @ LV last year . . .
I visor dad a port kid? I thought Visor dad was from Set
Old coach and new coash don't get along like the prior post seemed to indicate. In fact a few years ago, new coach left and wasn't coming back until old coach was gone
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
"He did, in a show of support of your old coach. And that is the ONLY reason. Most are not happy about it but understand his decision for this year. Was discussing class of '20 though."

"Understand his decision? Really? Old coach and new coach good friends. While I'm sure old coach appreciates gesture, no way he let's a break in tradition happen for new coach."

Guy, let it go, you are speaking out of your azz and do not know what you are talking about. Yes, old and new coach get along and yes, DB and KC are friendly and we in CSH wish KC the best of luck and like him. It's not a matter of either of the coaches from 'Set "letting it happen". I'm sure rivalry will ensue again in '18. These teams for three decades played three times a year being in the same division with the third time usually deciding the County champion... One year show of coaching solidarity and some form of protest vs Manhasset admin for coaches firing. Keep in mind who last Manhasset AD was and where he came from as well.


What am I missing in this discussion? KC was @ LV last year . . .
What you are missing is the ultimate in douchebaggery - CSH coach is crapping over the CSH & MHS kids by backing out of long standing rivalry game under the guise of feelings being hurt on how old MHS coach was let go. It may be spun with words like solidarity and protest, but in the end its the kids who lose.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
"He did, in a show of support of your old coach. And that is the ONLY reason. Most are not happy about it but understand his decision for this year. Was discussing class of '20 though."

"Understand his decision? Really? Old coach and new coach good friends. While I'm sure old coach appreciates gesture, no way he let's a break in tradition happen for new coach."

Guy, let it go, you are speaking out of your azz and do not know what you are talking about. Yes, old and new coach get along and yes, DB and KC are friendly and we in CSH wish KC the best of luck and like him. It's not a matter of either of the coaches from 'Set "letting it happen". I'm sure rivalry will ensue again in '18. These teams for three decades played three times a year being in the same division with the third time usually deciding the County champion... One year show of coaching solidarity and some form of protest vs Manhasset admin for coaches firing. Keep in mind who last Manhasset AD was and where he came from as well.


What am I missing in this discussion? KC was @ LV last year . . .
What you are missing is the ultimate in douchebaggery - CSH coach is crapping over the CSH & MHS kids by backing out of long standing rivalry game under the guise of feelings being hurt on how old MHS coach was let go. It may be spun with words like solidarity and protest, but in the end its the kids who lose.


Don't get it, not like they are border towns. One is Nassua the other a little bit of both Nassua and Suffolk. Still never get the ole 1 town 2 counties.
Agreed that the kids suffer. I am disappointed we won't have the opportunity to beat Manhasset again this year based on the decision.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed that the kids suffer. I am disappointed we won't have the opportunity to beat Manhasset again this year based on the decision.
Then get involved and speak to the powers that be in CSH and make it happen
Didn't I read that Manhasset was moving down to C due to enrollment? Not that that brings them back to same conf as CSH in D.
?? all around regarding the above statements. Stop asking your magic 8-ball for the questions you have--it generally spits out the wrong answer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
?? all around regarding the above statements. Stop asking your magic 8-ball for the questions you have--it generally spits out the wrong answer.


= snark done badly . . . .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn't I read that Manhasset was moving down to C due to enrollment? Not that that brings them back to same conf as CSH in D.


CSH is not in D.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
"He did, in a show of support of your old coach. And that is the ONLY reason. Most are not happy about it but understand his decision for this year. Was discussing class of '20 though."

"Understand his decision? Really? Old coach and new coach good friends. While I'm sure old coach appreciates gesture, no way he let's a break in tradition happen for new coach."

Guy, let it go, you are speaking out of your azz and do not know what you are talking about. Yes, old and new coach get along and yes, DB and KC are friendly and we in CSH wish KC the best of luck and like him. It's not a matter of either of the coaches from 'Set "letting it happen". I'm sure rivalry will ensue again in '18. These teams for three decades played three times a year being in the same division with the third time usually deciding the County champion... One year show of coaching solidarity and some form of protest vs Manhasset admin for coaches firing. Keep in mind who last Manhasset AD was and where he came from as well.


What am I missing in this discussion? KC was @ LV last year . . .
What you are missing is the ultimate in douchebaggery - CSH coach is crapping over the CSH & MHS kids by backing out of long standing rivalry game under the guise of feelings being hurt on how old MHS coach was let go. It may be spun with words like solidarity and protest, but in the end its the kids who lose.


Don't get it, not like they are border towns. One is Nassua the other a little bit of both Nassua and Suffolk. Still never get the ole 1 town 2 counties.



What's to get. The school is physically in Suffolk. 50 years ago it moved to nassau sports. The reson was that to play similar sized schools, they would be on a bus for 60 minutes. While if they played in Nassau they could go to OB, LV, Carle Place, SET, N Shore etc. Get it?
Any one want to attempt a top ten list as we move into November
Makes sense - so it has no purpose here.
Looks like CRUSH is having a hard time putting a team out, JS going to slip down and leave all the others there holding the bag .... NOT A SHOCK !!!!!!!!!
Crush will be playing the November 12,13. As well as 19,20 th.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one want to attempt a top ten list as we move into November


Doesn't matter anymore in high school. The purpose now is to get kids recruited and even the number 30 team will have potential D1 recruits. If you are sitting the bench on the number 2 team, you can't be seen. If you are a starter on the number 20 team, you have a better chance of being recruited. Playing AA is the key now - not a cameo appearance on a top ten team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush will be playing the November 12,13. As well as 19,20 th.

If your kid commits at this age do you continue to let him play travel ball? Assuming he gets the college he wanted?
"Let him"? I think anyone who doesn't let their kid play is out of their mind. Presumably their kids are playing because they like to play and its an activity they enjoy. They are only kids once...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush will be playing the November 12,13. As well as 19,20 th.

If your kid commits at this age do you continue to let him play travel ball? Assuming he gets the college he wanted?


Yes still play unless rehabbing a nagging football injury or a major test that Monday. You still need to be challenged these boys are your friends you like the game and you like to play with friends. But if it is a recruiting tournament and the next man up isnt recruited yet you stay home and give him a shot at it.

not a one size fits all answer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like CRUSH is having a hard time putting a team out, JS going to slip down and leave all the others there holding the bag .... NOT A SHOCK !!!!!!!!!


Slip down with the holdbacks/doubleholdbacks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Let him"? I think anyone who doesn't let their kid play is out of their mind. Presumably their kids are playing because they like to play and its an activity they enjoy. They are only kids once...
They play you just manage different in terms of how much and how often. School ball will soon take priority
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Looks like CRUSH is having a hard time putting a team out, JS going to slip down and leave all the others there holding the bag .... NOT A SHOCK !!!!!!!!!




You should hope this happens maybe your team could win one btw which team is he on this year? at some point he will move on I am sure his kid is playing up There has to be something better for you to do then hope and speculate about Crush. For years I have been reading about their demise, has Not happened. Move on enjoy your boy
Clearly some pathetic frustrated Dad here because at this age team success means not much. It is about getting the kids ALL recruited
Keep playing until NLI is signed in November of junior year. then your are committed. Game is far from over at this stage...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep playing until NLI is signed in November of junior year. then your are committed. Game is far from over at this stage...


NLI is signed during senior year
Keep playing, when you get on campus in fall of freshman year you better be ready. Every kids real good, and the conditioning/weigh training they do is ridiculous. Depth charts are made real quick at d 1. I have a Freshman at a top 15 D 1 school. He is loving it , but its 2 full time jobs. Better be prepared physically and mentally
Madlax 2020 is ready for NLF, Big4 and Big 12? Are you guys?
Anyone know good clubs for my son to try out for that don't already have a set team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know good clubs for my son to try out for that don't already have a set team?

Tryouts for "good clubs" are over. They happen at the end of summer. Good luck at this point.
Think Outlaws still looking for one or two kids
Have a Great fall schedule
Yes, come to Mad Lax. We need some more good players to bolster our team to keep up with the rhetoric our one crazy dad keeps spewing. Help!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 is ready for NLF, Big4 and Big 12? Are you guys?


???????????????
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Madlax 2020 is ready for NLF, Big4 and Big 12? Are you guys?


???????????????

You are an idiot. We all know that Madlax 2020 is still not close to competing at the NLF level. Adding holdbacks from an eh program such as Episcopal is not going to improve your program.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 is ready for NLF, Big4 and Big 12? Are you guys?


I'm glad you're ready. If your recent scrimmage with Next Level where you lost 12-3 is any indication, you'll be in for another fantastic year of lacrosse!!!

Seriously though -- less posting on this forum, more wall ball and skill development. Please.
You GED LI dads are so predictable. All you do is cry about reclassed kids.

We are restocked with new kids and are building chemistry. Can't wait to see your apologies after we play you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You GED LI dads are so predictable. All you do is cry about reclassed kids.

We are restocked with new kids and are building chemistry. Can't wait to see your apologies after we play you.


No GED here, but surely you graduated from Apex tech.. Hopefully things pan out for your double hold back that'll graduate with a History degree at nearly 25... hahahaha
Interesting that Jake Reed tryout and Philly Freshman Showcase are the same weekend.
[quote=Anonymous]Interesting that Jake Reed tryout and Philly Freshman Showcase are the same weekend.

Jake Reed has lost a lot of luster......anybody can attend that pays the bill
Not the summer Jake Reed. The one in the fall is easy to get into.
I am told Philly Freshman Showcase is THE event in terms of recruiting. True/Not true?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am told Philly Freshman Showcase is THE event in terms of recruiting. True/Not true?


Not sure there is a "The" event. Good yes, but not be all end all. You will however see a lot of talent and politics and holdbacks.

That said enjoy the day (or weekend) some good lacrosse. Not sure with the climate of early recruiting if many top players will be in attendance.
very true
Yes #1 Event
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am told Philly Freshman Showcase is THE event in terms of recruiting. True/Not true?
Used to be isn't anymore NLF ran event opposite this for this year. Will still be good but missing many top clubs will hurt
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Used to be isn't anymore NLF ran event opposite this for this year. Will still be good but missing many top clubs will hurt


If you look at the list of attendees for Philly Freshman you will see players from NLF teams which would seem to suggest that at least some NLF kids think PFS is better.
Jake Reed is done. Not a prestigious event anymore. Do not waste your time or money on this.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am told Philly Freshman Showcase is THE event in terms of recruiting. True/Not true?


Not sure there is a "The" event. Good yes, but not be all end all. You will however see a lot of talent and politics and holdbacks.

That said enjoy the day (or weekend) some good lacrosse. Not sure with the climate of early recruiting if many top players will be in attendance.


Very true. Really top tier players. (funny how many "freshman" drove themselves to that event as seen in the parking lot)

The numbers of coaches attending is impressive. Our club coach's phone was constantly ringing afterwards. Massive surge in contacts from coaches after that event

FWIW, much of the real scrutiny seemed to occur when the players break up into positional training and then the games. The all-star game is a formality at the end of the day and is the typical shooting fest that one would expect.
NLF? That's a joke. This must be fat Crab trying to pad his wallet. There are a slew of kids from NLF teams on the attendee list for Philly. Try again....
True- there are some NLF players listed on PFS list (although only ~9% of total players), but the application deadline was much earlier than for NLF event so wondering if they applied to PFS to hedge bets and will end up in Long Island that weekend instead?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
True- there are some NLF players listed on PFS list (although only ~9% of total players), but the application deadline was much earlier than for NLF event so wondering if they applied to PFS to hedge bets and will end up in Long Island that weekend instead?
Maybe I got this wrong but NLF 2020 is Sunday 11/6 in Pottstown, and PFS is 11/19 near Downingtown, PA. Also, NLF teams in attendance for this Sunday ain't no joke.
Sure - whatever. No kid who wants to play in college turns down PFS. If your kid was invited to Philly and is considering not going please let me know so I can let the 15+ kids I know who want to go but can't get in - so they can take his spot.

Fat Crab and his minions saw a way to make money and that is the reason NLF is on the same day. Team USA!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
True- there are some NLF players listed on PFS list (although only ~9% of total players), but the application deadline was much earlier than for NLF event so wondering if they applied to PFS to hedge bets and will end up in Long Island that weekend instead?
Maybe I got this wrong but NLF 2020 is Sunday 11/6 in Pottstown, and PFS is 11/19 near Downingtown, PA. Also, NLF teams in attendance for this Sunday ain't no joke.


I believe the discussion is about the individual showcases, which are on the same day (11/19).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
True- there are some NLF players listed on PFS list (although only ~9% of total players), but the application deadline was much earlier than for NLF event so wondering if they applied to PFS to hedge bets and will end up in Long Island that weekend instead?
Maybe I got this wrong but NLF 2020 is Sunday 11/6 in Pottstown, and PFS is 11/19 near Downingtown, PA. Also, NLF teams in attendance for this Sunday ain't no joke.


I believe the discussion is about the individual showcases, which are on the same day (11/19).
Ah, for 2020's would be a repeat of NLF Pottstown, but with players filling vacant spots of those at PFS..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sure - whatever. No kid who wants to play in college turns down PFS. If your kid was invited to Philly and is considering not going please let me know so I can let the 15+ kids I know who want to go but can't get in - so they can take his spot.

Fat Crab and his minions saw a way to make money and that is the reason NLF is on the same day. Team USA!!!!


Agree. Plenty of kids would love to go to PFS and couldn't get in. Calling BS on the "I got in but decided not to go" routine. Anyone who comes out with that is either (1) full of it; and/or (2) a narcissist who wasted a spot that many others would be happy to have.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am told Philly Freshman Showcase is THE event in terms of recruiting. True/Not true?


Not sure there is a "The" event. Good yes, but not be all end all. You will however see a lot of talent and politics and holdbacks.

That said enjoy the day (or weekend) some good lacrosse. Not sure with the climate of early recruiting if many top players will be in attendance.


Very true. Really top tier players. (funny how many "freshman" drove themselves to that event as seen in the parking lot)

The numbers of coaches attending is impressive. Our club coach's phone was constantly ringing afterwards. Massive surge in contacts from coaches after that event

FWIW, much of the real scrutiny seemed to occur when the players break up into positional training and then the games. The all-star game is a formality at the end of the day and is the typical shooting fest that one would expect.


I might buy that it was "top tier" players if the entire NXT team wasn't listed (or the vast Majority of it). No way the entire team are "top tier".
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am told Philly Freshman Showcase is THE event in terms of recruiting. True/Not true?


Not sure there is a "The" event. Good yes, but not be all end all. You will however see a lot of talent and politics and holdbacks.

That said enjoy the day (or weekend) some good lacrosse. Not sure with the climate of early recruiting if many top players will be in attendance.


Very true. Really top tier players. (funny how many "freshman" drove themselves to that event as seen in the parking lot)

The numbers of coaches attending is impressive. Our club coach's phone was constantly ringing afterwards. Massive surge in contacts from coaches after that event

FWIW, much of the real scrutiny seemed to occur when the players break up into positional training and then the games. The all-star game is a formality at the end of the day and is the typical shooting fest that one would expect.


I might buy that it was "top tier" players if the entire NXT team wasn't listed (or the vast Majority of it). No way the entire team are "top tier".
The all get automatic entry as part of being on that team. A NXT Perk. Nothing wrong with that. However, 85% of that team are top tier kids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sure - whatever. No kid who wants to play in college turns down PFS. If your kid was invited to Philly and is considering not going please let me know so I can let the 15+ kids I know who want to go but can't get in - so they can take his spot.

Fat Crab and his minions saw a way to make money and that is the reason NLF is on the same day. Team USA!!!!


Agree. Plenty of kids would love to go to PFS and couldn't get in. Calling BS on the "I got in but decided not to go" routine. Anyone who comes out with that is either (1) full of it; and/or (2) a narcissist who wasted a spot that many others would be happy to have.


Too many team events happening this weekend - many of the top kids are playing with their teams and did turn down PFS.
Best of luck to all 2020's this weekend. This is a great class and I've enjoyed coaching against and watching all of these kids compete at such a high level. Plenty of college coaches will see all these kids play this weekend.
PFS is not for two weeks. No coach would tell his player not to participate unless they were part of NLF and trying to put some money in their pocket.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am told Philly Freshman Showcase is THE event in terms of recruiting. True/Not true?


Not sure there is a "The" event. Good yes, but not be all end all. You will however see a lot of talent and politics and holdbacks.

That said enjoy the day (or weekend) some good lacrosse. Not sure with the climate of early recruiting if many top players will be in attendance.


Very true. Really top tier players. (funny how many "freshman" drove themselves to that event as seen in the parking lot)

The numbers of coaches attending is impressive. Our club coach's phone was constantly ringing afterwards. Massive surge in contacts from coaches after that event

FWIW, much of the real scrutiny seemed to occur when the players break up into positional training and then the games. The all-star game is a formality at the end of the day and is the typical shooting fest that one would expect.


I might buy that it was "top tier" players if the entire NXT team wasn't listed (or the vast Majority of it). No way the entire team are "top tier".
The all get automatic entry as part of being on that team. A NXT Perk. Nothing wrong with that. However, 85% of that team are top tier kids


85% top tier? Wow that must be an amazing team!! How did they do today?
2-1 Beat both Sweet Lax teams and lost to a really really strong FCA team.
Any feedback on LI Elite 80 today? What coaches assigned to the 2019 and 2020 age group? Would you recommend for next year? Assume great day...
Heard it was one of the best run events my parents had been too. Good job TA
[quote=Anonymous]2-1 Beat both Sweet Lax teams and lost to a really really strong FCA team.

10-2 FCA. Really strong NXT team?
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[quote=Anonymous]2-1 Beat both Sweet Lax teams and lost to a really really strong FCA team.

10-2 FCA. Really strong NXT team?


Keep in mind that it's fall balll, many of the keystone players are playing in football playoffs this weekend.....just a thought before you start bragging about wins
Fall ball is more about individual performance, not wins. Coaches are on sidelines evaluating individual play, they don't care who wins. They have certain kids on radar from prospect camps, etc. Be happy if your kid plays well, not who wins.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fall ball is more about individual performance, not wins. Coaches are on sidelines evaluating individual play, they don't care who wins. They have certain kids on radar from prospect camps, etc. Be happy if your kid plays well, not who wins.


If your team gets blown out, it is safe to assume that no one played well
Elite 80 was an unbelievable event. Really well organized and to put that many HEAD coaches on the field at once is incredible. Competition was excellent.Coaches really involved and instruction by head coaches unreal. TA just put recruiting to the next level.
91 playing their tournament today.
LOL. None of the LI teams want to play Madlax today. Not surprising that you don't want to play the rebuilt Madlax team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fall ball is more about individual performance, not wins. Coaches are on sidelines evaluating individual play, they don't care who wins. They have certain kids on radar from prospect camps, etc. Be happy if your kid plays well, not who wins.


If your team gets blown out, it is safe to assume that no one played well


Not always, you can have great goalie save percentage due to poor defense resulting in lots of shots on goal, and/or dominate f/o, but weak middies not picking up ground balls and still loose. Coaches are there to look at how specific kids are paying their positions.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fall ball is more about individual performance, not wins. Coaches are on sidelines evaluating individual play, they don't care who wins. They have certain kids on radar from prospect camps, etc. Be happy if your kid plays well, not who wins.


If your team gets blown out, it is safe to assume that no one played well


Not always true, A goalie can have an exceptional performance and team can still loose. The save percentage can be high due to lots of shots fired due to a poor defense. f/o can also show a high win percentage with team turning over ball and losing. Its about the individual performance. The coaches are there to watch kids they already have their eye on.
How did 91 orange do?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fall ball is more about individual performance, not wins. Coaches are on sidelines evaluating individual play, they don't care who wins. They have certain kids on radar from prospect camps, etc. Be happy if your kid plays well, not who wins.


If your team gets blown out, it is safe to assume that no one played well


Not always true, A goalie can have an exceptional performance and team can still loose. The save percentage can be high due to lots of shots fired due to a poor defense. f/o can also show a high win percentage with team turning over ball and losing. Its about the individual performance. The coaches are there to watch kids they already have their eye on.


Absolutely accurate. A goalie may also not be great yet the field players are doing great. there is no amount of offense that can make up for a bad goalie if both teams are otherwise matched. There may be a great attackman who would be missed if coaches did not understand the true dynamics. They know what they are looking for at this level.
Any scores from NLF event in Baltimore yet that people can share?
Edge Canada beat lie 8-3 and beat crabs 8-5
Edge Canada beat LIE 8-3 -!: beat crabs 7-5
How is the NLF event and Terp Classic going? Who is standing out?
What about the other two pools - navy and green?
Last game for 91... Lets see how they do.
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Last game for 91... Lets see how they do.

How are they doing currently?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last game for 91... Lets see how they do.


Is this the 91 B team you are chiming about? what was there record? Heard that team was a disaster after everyone left for bigger and better teams. Nobody wants to be on a B team heading into recruiting years!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last game for 91... Lets see how they do.


Is this the 91 B team you are chiming about? what was there record? Heard that team was a disaster after everyone left for bigger and better teams. Nobody wants to be on a B team heading into recruiting years!

They have a great player on the team. Hater.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last game for 91... Lets see how they do.


Is this the 91 B team you are chiming about? what was there record? Heard that team was a disaster after everyone left for bigger and better teams. Nobody wants to be on a B team heading into recruiting years!


It is a NY 91 team and would not consider them a b team just because they are not Crush. Still very competitive. How is Crabs doing now that their best players left for FCA and they picked up weaker replacements?
Crabs holdbacks ran into bigger Canadian holdbacks. Doh!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last game for 91... Lets see how they do.


Is this the 91 B team you are chiming about? what was there record? Heard that team was a disaster after everyone left for bigger and better teams. Nobody wants to be on a B team heading into recruiting years!


It is a NY 91 team and would not consider them a b team just because they are not Crush. Still very competitive. How is Crabs doing now that their best players left for FCA and they picked up weaker replacements?


They are not competitive.....just another b team money grab. those boys should either find an A team or stay with their town. Nobody cares about B teams. Keep listening to the directors. They will take your money as long as you give it
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last game for 91... Lets see how they do.


Is this the 91 B team you are chiming about? what was there record? Heard that team was a disaster after everyone left for bigger and better teams. Nobody wants to be on a B team heading into recruiting years!

They have a great player on the team. Hater.


just one? Tell him to run for the hills before it's too late!
No edge holdbacks they are all the same age as the Americans on 2020 teams
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No edge holdbacks they are all the same age as the Americans on 2020 teams


Maybe as old as the kids on crabs and FCA but have never been in line with the same age kids on real 2020 teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last game for 91... Lets see how they do.


Is this the 91 B team you are chiming about? what was there record? Heard that team was a disaster after everyone left for bigger and better teams. Nobody wants to be on a B team heading into recruiting years!

They have a great player on the team. Hater.


just one? Tell him to run for the hills before it's too late!


There is certainly more than one good player and they are still a very competitive NY team just not the Crush. Nor do they try to be.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No edge holdbacks they are all the same age as the Americans on 2020 teams


Maybe as old as the kids on crabs and FCA but have never been in line with the same age kids on real 2020 teams.


Which real Team Crush? Several hold backs there.
What birth year are all the so called top 2020 teams kids births?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No edge holdbacks they are all the same age as the Americans on 2020 teams


Maybe as old as the kids on crabs and FCA but have never been in line with the same age kids on real 2020 teams.


Which real Team Crush? Several hold backs there.


Stoppppppp Edge has a few kids approaching 17 years old. Played well early I. The day and seemed to slow down as day went on. Old age will do that . Son plays for express. It was our first game and we were off. Edge makes crabs look young lolol Crush has two holdback so neither of which is impact. On way out saw HHH give edge all they could handle.
You are completely wrong edge has zero kids that have even turned 16.. Americans don't understand that when Canadians reclass they are actually the same age. Americans start school a year later.. get the facts straight first. Teams should be made by year they were born.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are completely wrong edge has zero kids that have even turned 16.. Americans don't understand that when Canadians reclass they are actually the same age. Americans start school a year later.. get the facts straight first. Teams should be made by year they were born.


They should on,y have a few kids that are 15 at this point- those born in September or October.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are completely wrong edge has zero kids that have even turned 16.. Americans don't understand that when Canadians reclass they are actually the same age. Americans start school a year later.. get the facts straight first. Teams should be made by year they were born.


Funny how the LI kids all cry foul when they loose. Wake up! You are in 9th grade now, you need to make an impact playing against older players. It will be this way here out till you are a senior in college. Stop whining please!the holdback argument is mute now
They are all the same age as the American teams at times even younger as Americans for some reason double reclass! people need to stop complaining
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are completely wrong edge has zero kids that have even turned 16.. Americans don't understand that when Canadians reclass they are actually the same age. Americans start school a year later.. get the facts straight first. Teams should be made by year they were born.


Funny how the LI kids all cry foul when they loose. Wake up! You are in 9th grade now, you need to make an impact playing against older players. It will be this way here out till you are a senior in college. Stop whining please!the holdback argument is mute now


Funny you think this is a LI parent complaining- I think not because our true 2020 kids wouldn't turn 15 until 12/1 and those are the oldest true 2020s. Most of the LI kids that you'd see playing in these competitive games play varsity anyway and dont care about your Canadian players or their ages. We are no longer in youth lax- but it sure looks good when the younger player shines against their older counterparts.
Remember the kids date of birth are in recruiting books. Funny how most of this edge team was listed on the 2019 team last summer. The edge 2020 team from last summer that could beat no one is probably getting ready to play 2021. Facts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are completely wrong edge has zero kids that have even turned 16.. Americans don't understand that when Canadians reclass they are actually the same age. Americans start school a year later.. get the facts straight first. Teams should be made by year they were born.


Funny how the LI kids all cry foul when they loose. Wake up! You are in 9th grade now, you need to make an impact playing against older players. It will be this way here out till you are a senior in college. Stop whining please!the holdback argument is mute now

Funny how the ignorant parents that are not from Long Island and hold back their kids, try to sound tough but always show that they didn't pay attention in English class. It's moot not mute you moron. Now have another beer, and get ready to go to your dead end job tomorrow morning.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are completely wrong edge has zero kids that have even turned 16.. Americans don't understand that when Canadians reclass they are actually the same age. Americans start school a year later.. get the facts straight first. Teams should be made by year they were born.


Funny how the LI kids all cry foul when they loose. Wake up! You are in 9th grade now, you need to make an impact playing against older players. It will be this way here out till you are a senior in college. Stop whining please!the holdback argument is mute now

Funny how the ignorant parents that are not from Long Island and hold back their kids, try to sound tough but always show that they didn't pay attention in English class. It's moot not mute you moron. Now have another beer, and get ready to go to your dead end job tomorrow morning.


Waaa waaaa, go cry to someone who gives a crap. You lost, stop making excuses! Think I'll enjoy my beer now, while you try to doctor up another way to try to make johnny look good.....better hurry up, times running out
Loll.. uneducated comment again.. false the 2019 team has been the same team smashing teams the last few years.. this is he 2020 team the team you are referring to that didn't beat anyone is the edge 2021 team that played up in tournaments and this years is playing against the true age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are completely wrong edge has zero kids that have even turned 16.. Americans don't understand that when Canadians reclass they are actually the same age. Americans start school a year later.. get the facts straight first. Teams should be made by year they were born.


Funny how the LI kids all cry foul when they loose. Wake up! You are in 9th grade now, you need to make an impact playing against older players. It will be this way here out till you are a senior in college. Stop whining please!the holdback argument is mute now

True 2020 kids in the vast majority of the country is anyone born after 9/1/2001
Funny you think this is a LI parent complaining- I think not because our true 2020 kids wouldn't turn 15 until 12/1 and those are the oldest true 2020s. Most of the LI kids that you'd see playing in these competitive games play varsity anyway and dont care about your Canadian players or their ages. We are no longer in youth lax- but it sure looks good when the younger player shines against their older counterparts.
NXT 2020 must not have done well this weekend. Haven't seen any tweets about how great they are yet today. Imagine if they played in a tourney with real competition like the NLF.
The 91 orange Brentwood kid is a pretty good player. Very quick too like other Brentwood girl smile
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 91 orange Brentwood kid is a pretty good player. Very quick too like other Brentwood girl smile

Kid is a ball hog...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 91 orange Brentwood kid is a pretty good player. Very quick too like other Brentwood girl smile

Kid is a ball hog...

Kid is no ball hog! He's great I love the kid.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 91 orange Brentwood kid is a pretty good player. Very quick too like other Brentwood girl smile

Kid is a ball hog...

Why spew hate on the kids birthday?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT 2020 must not have done well this weekend. Haven't seen any tweets about how great they are yet today. Imagine if they played in a tourney with real competition like the NLF.

Because the top kid went to Express
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 91 orange Brentwood kid is a pretty good player. Very quick too like other Brentwood girl smile

Kid is a ball hog...

Why spew hate on the kids birthday?

What's so special about him? Seemed average to me.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT 2020 must not have done well this weekend. Haven't seen any tweets about how great they are yet today. Imagine if they played in a tourney with real competition like the NLF.

Because the top kid went to Express
5-1
Those who can't criticize those who can. As usual, BOTC parents bashing CHILDREN! Keep up the good work, what a bunch of winners. Dare you to put your son's name here or jersey number and team so all on BOTC can be aware and observe his greatness! Cowards, hiding behind a keyboard. You should be ashamed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 91 orange Brentwood kid is a pretty good player. Very quick too like other Brentwood girl smile

Kid is a ball hog...

Why spew hate on the kids birthday?

What's so special about him? Seemed average to me.

True. No speed. And his stick skills aren't where they're supposed to be for a 9th grader going into recruiting years..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 91 orange Brentwood kid is a pretty good player. Very quick too like other Brentwood girl smile

Kid is a ball hog...

Why spew hate on the kids birthday?

What's so special about him? Seemed average to me.

Brought comradery to the team.
All of the Edge team is born in 2001, as are a lot of 2020 players. Canadians naturally graduate in 2019 but take a PG year after high school, so they can get to a better school. Many of the kids could get recruited 2019 but when they reclass, it gives them way more options.
PS. I am a LI parent who was told this by an Edge parent. Pretty smart if you ask me...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 91 orange Brentwood kid is a pretty good player. Very quick too like other Brentwood girl smile

Kid is a ball hog...

Why spew hate on the kids birthday?

What's so special about him? Seemed average to me.

True. No speed. And his stick skills aren't where they're supposed to be for a 9th grader going into recruiting years..


Sorry not accurate, Kid is actually fast and has good stick skills, who also did pretty well yesterday. Stop the Hate and go help your kid hit the wall, cones, whatever!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the Edge team is born in 2001, as are a lot of 2020 players. Canadians naturally graduate in 2019 but take a PG year after high school, so they can get to a better school. Many of the kids could get recruited 2019 but when they reclass, it gives them way more options.
PS. I am a LI parent who was told this by an Edge parent. Pretty smart if you ask me...

Edge was arguably the top team at Boys Latin
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 91 orange Brentwood kid is a pretty good player. Very quick too like other Brentwood girl smile

Kid is a ball hog...

Why spew hate on the kids birthday?

What's so special about him? Seemed average to me.

True. No speed. And his stick skills aren't where they're supposed to be for a 9th grader going into recruiting years..


Just stop it....whoever you are.
Thing is when the take a pg year they are still same as the American teams in their age group. Americans start a year later in elementary school..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the Edge team is born in 2001, as are a lot of 2020 players. Canadians naturally graduate in 2019 but take a PG year after high school, so they can get to a better school. Many of the kids could get recruited 2019 but when they reclass, it gives them way more options.
PS. I am a LI parent who was told this by an Edge parent. Pretty smart if you ask me...

Edge was arguably the top team at Boys Latin
most of the team will head down to the us in 2018 and finish their senior year plus a gap year. Many attend Culver, Trinity Pawling, Deerfield, Hill School or IMG. Funny enough those people don't have the same rules as the college recruiters. Culver was very active this weekend. Also many do their gap at the Hill Academy in Toronto
Madlax took it to Leading Edge. Awaiting your apologies now.
how did NH Tomahawks do? dont see them around so much.
How about Crush backing out of tournaments because they don't have there star players, so all the other kids on that team don't exist and can not get looked at by college coaches . Why would you ever play for the organization or coach ..... Terrible !!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about Crush backing out of tournaments because they don't have there star players, so all the other kids on that team don't exist and can not get looked at by college coaches . Why would you ever play for the organization or coach ..... Terrible !!!!!!!!!!


Funny part is large part of team is committed already and bunch of the "stars" are not yet so that ruins that theory. They seem to have it figured out pretty well wish my sons team did. Tournaments is plural They will be in Philly saturday I am sure. Word I got is many kids still in football playoffs.
Good to see the MASSHOLES have entered the forum as well as Canada "word has it Edge canada was the top team this weekend" Just say I thought my sons team was the best
Posed this question on Maryland 2020 board
Team with the Most commits??
1.
2.
3.
4.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about Crush backing out of tournaments because they don't have there star players, so all the other kids on that team don't exist and can not get looked at by college coaches . Why would you ever play for the organization or coach ..... Terrible !!!!!!!!!!


Funny part is large part of team is committed already and bunch of the "stars" are not yet so that ruins that theory. They seem to have it figured out pretty well wish my sons team did. Tournaments is plural They will be in Philly saturday I am sure. Word I got is many kids still in football playoffs.


Ill only ask this, how many are on their varsity footbal team
I believe Catholic JV went through this weekend as well as public varsity
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Good to see the MASSHOLES have entered the forum as well as Canada "word has it Edge canada was the top team this weekend" Just say I thought my sons team was the best
I was there. Saw all teams at least for a short spell. Tomahawks looked very good and other teams rarely got the ball. Crabs looked like they were missing a spark but still very good, lost to Edge. Madlax way improved beat Leading Edge and Mesa, lost to Tomahawks. Edge really good but inconsistent losing one to HHH. Eclipse a little improved. LIE met expectations losing close one to Crabs. New DCExpress got clobbered all day but has some talent. Mesa looked pretty good tying Leading Edge in one game. Laxachussetts looked very strong beat Looney's who looked very good too except that one game.

Gobs of top D1 coaches watching these games.
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How about Crush backing out of tournaments because they don't have there star players, so all the other kids on that team don't exist and can not get looked at by college coaches . Why would you ever play for the organization or coach ..... Terrible !!!!!!!!!!


Because that program and a certain head coach only cares about 5-6 kids. The rest are valued/treated like garbage. It was obviously when you saw the WSOYL game and it's just as obvious now.
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Posed this question on Maryland 2020 board
Team with the Most commits??
1. FCA
2. 91
3. Sweet Lax
4. Looney's
Schedule for Big HHH Tourney

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Posed this question on Maryland 2020 board
Team with the Most commits??
1. FCA
2. 91
3. Sweet Lax
4. Looney's


Crush has 9 players which would reflect more than 4/5 How many do the other programs have Express has 4 and Looneys 5 what does FCA have
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Posed this question on Maryland 2020 board
Team with the Most commits??
1. FCA
2. 91
3. Sweet Lax
4. Looney's


Crush has 9 players which would reflect more than 4/5 How many do the other programs have Express has 4 and Looneys 5 what does FCA have [


2020 College Commitments

Frankie Hapney LSM St. Pauls University of Michigan
Cole Herbert Midfield Calvert Hall North Carolina
Rory Jones Attack Calvert Hall University of Michigan
Daniel Kelly Attack Calvert Hall University of North Carolina
Jack Koras Midfield Loyola Blakefield University of Maryland
Jackson Marshall Goalie Calvert Hall University of Maryland
Michael McKnelly Attack Norfolk Academy Ohio State University
/quote]
How many reclassed kids on that list?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Posed this question on Maryland 2020 board
Team with the Most commits??
1. FCA
2. 91
3. Sweet Lax
4. Looney's


Crush has 9 players which would reflect more than 4/5 How many do the other programs have Express has 4 and Looneys 5 what does FCA have [


2020 College Commitments

Frankie Hapney LSM St. Pauls University of Michigan
Cole Herbert Midfield Calvert Hall North Carolina
Rory Jones Attack Calvert Hall University of Michigan
Daniel Kelly Attack Calvert Hall University of North Carolina
Jack Koras Midfield Loyola Blakefield University of Maryland
Jackson Marshall Goalie Calvert Hall University of Maryland
Michael McKnelly Attack Norfolk Academy Ohio State University
/quote]


Can't count Cole Herbert in with FCA. He was playing for BL 8th grade team and Crabs and never played a game with FCA or Calvert Hall when he committed to UNC. So that reduces the total to 6.
Fat Crab - is that you whining about not getting credit for the "big guy" ? I'm sure your superior lacrosse IQ had a huge amount to do with him committing. Reclasssed kid playing against younger kids is your secret sauce.

No doubt UNC told his family to go play for the Kellys at FCA/CH - they actually played the game.....
Crush has 9 players which would reflect more than 4/5 How many do the other programs have Express has 4 and Looneys 5 what does FCA have [


2020 College Commitments

Frankie Hapney LSM St. Pauls University of Michigan
Cole Herbert Midfield Calvert Hall North Carolina
Rory Jones Attack Calvert Hall University of Michigan
Daniel Kelly Attack Calvert Hall University of North Carolina
Jack Koras Midfield Loyola Blakefield University of Maryland
Jackson Marshall Goalie Calvert Hall University of Maryland
Michael McKnelly Attack Norfolk Academy Ohio State University
**********************

McKnelly played 1 tournament with FCA, and they're counting him as a commit. Also a holdback. He repeated a grade (6th or 7th?) when he switched from one private school to another in Virginia Beach. But, hey, the strategy seems to work.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Posed this question on Maryland 2020 board
Team with the Most commits??
1. FCA
2. 91
3. Sweet Lax
4. Looney's


Crush has 9 players which would reflect more than 4/5 How many do the other programs have Express has 4 and Looneys 5 what does FCA have [


2020 College Commitments

Frankie Hapney LSM St. Pauls University of Michigan
Cole Herbert Midfield Calvert Hall North Carolina
Rory Jones Attack Calvert Hall University of Michigan
Daniel Kelly Attack Calvert Hall University of North Carolina
Jack Koras Midfield Loyola Blakefield University of Maryland
Jackson Marshall Goalie Calvert Hall University of Maryland
Michael McKnelly Attack Norfolk Academy Ohio State University
/quote]


Can't count Cole Herbert in with FCA. He was playing for BL 8th grade team and Crabs and never played a game with FCA or Calvert Hall when he committed to UNC. So that reduces the total to 6.



Nope, shouldn't work that way. you must count the current players who are committed. We all know that most of these kids got good thought heir own hard work and talent, many of whom connected with colleges coaches at showcases, or playing with their HS, not playing with club team. There was plenty of movement the past year on all teams with respect to the committed players. The list should be of current players who are committed playing on the team, not where they were when they gave verbal
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush has 9 players which would reflect more than 4/5 How many do the other programs have Express has 4 and Looneys 5 what does FCA have [


2020 College Commitments

Frankie Hapney LSM St. Pauls University of Michigan
Cole Herbert Midfield Calvert Hall North Carolina
Rory Jones Attack Calvert Hall University of Michigan
Daniel Kelly Attack Calvert Hall University of North Carolina
Jack Koras Midfield Loyola Blakefield University of Maryland
Jackson Marshall Goalie Calvert Hall University of Maryland
Michael McKnelly Attack Norfolk Academy Ohio State University
**********************

McKnelly played 1 tournament with FCA, and they're counting him as a commit. Also a holdback. He repeated a grade (6th or 7th?) when he switched from one private school to another in Virginia Beach. But, hey, the strategy seems to work.
Which 9 are committed from Crush? Where are they going?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush has 9 players which would reflect more than 4/5 How many do the other programs have Express has 4 and Looneys 5 what does FCA have [


2020 College Commitments

Frankie Hapney LSM St. Pauls University of Michigan
Cole Herbert Midfield Calvert Hall North Carolina
Rory Jones Attack Calvert Hall University of Michigan
Daniel Kelly Attack Calvert Hall University of North Carolina
Jack Koras Midfield Loyola Blakefield University of Maryland
Jackson Marshall Goalie Calvert Hall University of Maryland
Michael McKnelly Attack Norfolk Academy Ohio State University
**********************

McKnelly played 1 tournament with FCA, and they're counting him as a commit. Also a holdback. He repeated a grade (6th or 7th?) when he switched from one private school to another in Virginia Beach. But, hey, the strategy seems to work.


like the Crush kids are doing?
Lets see if JS gets those other CRUSH kids recruited or will he just leave them all hanging and move on . Lets be honest it is all about JS and that is it , I would not want to be on that team if I were not COMMITTED . GOOD LUCK WITH YOU RECRUITMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets see if JS gets those other CRUSH kids recruited or will he just leave them all hanging and move on . Lets be honest it is all about JS and that is it , I would not want to be on that team if I were not COMMITTED . GOOD LUCK WITH YOU RECRUITMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Come on with this nonsense for years people would say he only helps 3/4 kids now they have 8/9 commits and many of the top ones still out there waiting for Ivy's or one of the top schools that comit later That entire team will be done by summer Wish my sons coach was as proactive as he is or his kids. I drank this cool aid for awhile that that team would fall apart it hasn't they have a small roster and most kids are committed already. Sometimes as painful as it is you have to tip your cap myself included
Not a shock that the organizers gave Madlax 2020 the hardest draw: Laxachusetts Yellow, HHH and Mesa.

That's ok, we are coming to dominate again. And then we'll do it the next day at Big 12 vs Blue Star, Orange Crush, Rock.

Other teams get home cooking. We don't, but we don't need it.
The one kid who's dad is prominant on this board and was called out last year when he left express for crush and was forced to sign his name on the board. Left crush and is now w Legacy committed before playing w legacy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a shock that the organizers gave Madlax 2020 the hardest draw: Laxachusetts Yellow, HHH and Mesa.

That's ok, we are coming to dominate again. And then we'll do it the next day at Big 12 vs Blue Star, Orange Crush, Rock.

Other teams get home cooking. We don't, but we don't need it.
Hardest Draw????? what are you talking about. Lax B, HHH and Mesa who won 1 game last summer
Crush will lose this fall if they play Looneys Or FCA. Sure they will be ducking them! They are not the top anymore
What r u talking about. Lax yellow is their B team. HHH and Mesa are both weak as well. You couldn't have gotten a weaker draw
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What r u talking about. Lax yellow is their B team. HHH and Mesa are both weak as well. You couldn't have gotten a weaker draw

When are you people going to realize that someone is baiting everyone with the nonsensical pro Madlax posts?
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Terrible list. FCA beat Express good last summer
Let's see how Edge handles Crush today
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.

[Ouch, Crabs out of top 7 or 8? What happened to them?]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Looneys lost to Taz and tomahawks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What r u talking about. Lax yellow is their B team. HHH and Mesa are both weak as well. You couldn't have gotten a weaker draw

When are you people going to realize that someone is baiting everyone with the nonsensical pro Madlax posts?


Unfortunately, he is real and not a parody. Some of the ML 2020 parents know who he is and he's an embarassment. They're hoping his son gets cut.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Looneys lost to Taz and tomahawks


When did Looney's lose to Taz (Legacy)? Don't believe it was this fall but can't remember all of the teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Looneys lost to Taz and tomahawks


When did Looney's lose to Taz (Legacy)? Don't believe it was this fall but can't remember all of the teams.


At the Inside Lacrosse Showcase
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Terrible list. FCA beat Express good last summer
Let's see how Edge handles Crush today



So far today: Edge beat Express (to be expected) Sweetlax beat Laxachusettes
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Looneys lost to Taz and tomahawks


When did Looney's lose to Taz (Legacy)? Don't believe it was this fall but can't remember all of the teams.


I do not recall Looney;s Orange 2020 loosing to Taz or Tomahawks last spring/summer and they have not played wither of those teams this fall.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Terrible list. FCA beat Express good last summer
Let's see how Edge handles Crush today



So far today: Edge beat Express (to be expected) Sweetlax beat Laxachusettes

Express is not in the top 10
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Looneys lost to Taz and tomahawks


When did Looney's lose to Taz (Legacy)? Don't believe it was this fall but can't remember all of the teams.


At the Inside Lacrosse Showcase


Don't believe Looney's Orange 2020 played in that showcase this past summer.
Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing AAA hockey.. The summer is when you will see the real match ups of all teams studs.. Edge will make some real noise this summer..

Edge is missing it's 4 top offensive players and 2 top D men due to AAA hockey.. so the summer will be a better judge of the teams for sure
in relation to the match up with Team 91 crush
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing AAA hockey.. The summer is when you will see the real match ups of all teams studs.. Edge will make some real noise this summer..

Crush 9-7 over edge both benches look light. Edg goalie is really good crush looks rusty but talented offensively
As and edge parent we are missing one offensive player Stop stirring stuff our boys played great Crush in fairness missed some easy shots but a great game w some great parents I be honest actually met.a future teammates parents
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Looneys lost to Taz and tomahawks


When did Looney's lose to Taz (Legacy)? Don't believe it was this fall but can't remember all of the teams.


At the Inside Lacrosse Showcase


Don't believe Looney's Orange 2020 played in that showcase this past summer.


They did play and they lost to Taz in the semis
Correction - EXPRESS BEAT EDGE CANADA
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reflected by them playing not one close and last summer and looneys getting beat soundly by a Laxachusetts team that crush beat many times last summer.
Crush
Laxachusetts
Edge
Looneys
Express
FCA
. That was last summer, has nothing to do with this fall and next spring. Your list is way way incorrect. Edge #3 ??? Looneys 4th??? Sorry, they are higher. Looney's would beat Laxachusetts 4 out of 5 times, same with FCA over Laxachusetts. Top 3, Crush, Looney's FCA.


Terrible list. FCA beat Express good last summer
Let's see how Edge handles Crush today



So far today: Edge beat Express (to be expected) Sweetlax beat Laxachusettes


Crush won all their games today, lost by a goal to Edge, who should probably be #2, Laxachusettes should move down after losing to Sweetlax, who also beat Express by a wide margin
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Correction - EXPRESS BEAT EDGE CANADA


No, they did not, if fact they looked weak all day
So if they lost to Edge how did they win all there games?
So did crush win all their games or lose to Edge? I don't understand what you are saying. Either they win all their games or they lost one. Clarify please.
Saw crush play sweetlax. Tons of committed kids It was sweetlax national squad. After sweetlax beat up Laxachusetts and express they lost to crush by 6/7 lost track. Thought HHH Looked improved as well it's just so hard to tell in fall
Didn't FL$ beat Sweetlax last weekend
Express beat Edge Canada 8-7, lost to Sweetlax National 11-3 and lost to Laxachusetts 6-5
Sweetlax Florida..with 4 D1 commits 6 to 3.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did crush win all their games or lose to Edge? I don't understand what you are saying. Either they win all their games or they lost one. Clarify please.


Crush beat edge by 1 and beat up on BBL and Sweet lax National
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Saw crush play sweetlax. Tons of committed kids It was sweetlax national squad. After sweetlax beat up Laxachusetts and express they lost to crush by 6/7 lost track. Thought HHH Looked improved as well it's just so hard to tell in fall


They lost by 4 after being tied 7-7 after 3. Gotta hand it to Crush for finishing game. Great lax!
So I guess this big top "List" that was going around is now defunct! Only Crush remains at top, but beatable, with all others back and forth any given day. Curious if there were any areas that excelled such as Goalie, Fogo , D or attack. Many coaches were watching at the Big 4
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Setting the field...

Rather than a "top 10" list here are some groupings.

Top:
Crush

Outstanding:
Crabs
Looneys
LI Express

The very good. Any of these teams could beat the others on any given day and might beat one in the group above every so often....

Annapolis Hawks
Laxachusettes
NH Tomahawks
91 Maryland
Leading Edge
Sweetlax upstate
FCA
Taz
Rising Sons



Thank you express dad for your thoughts


Well, Express was beat down today by Sweetlax, how do you put them where they are?? Give me a break Express Dad. When your best player goes down, so does the whole team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Setting the field...

Rather than a "top 10" list here are some groupings.

Top:
Crush

Outstanding:
Crabs
Looneys
LI Express

The very good. Any of these teams could beat the others on any given day and might beat one in the group above every so often....

Annapolis Hawks
Laxachusettes
NH Tomahawks
91 Maryland
Leading Edge
Sweetlax upstate
FCA
Taz
Rising Sons



Thank you express dad for your thoughts


Well, Express was beat down today by Sweetlax, how do you put them where they are?? Give me a break Express Dad. When your best player goes down, so does the whole team


That was the Sweetlax National Team. They are good. More than half of the starters ade committed. Best team on the Hill today
Crush beat sweetlax 13-6 two incredibly talented teams
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Setting the field...

Rather than a "top 10" list here are some groupings.

Top:
Crush

Outstanding:
Crabs
Looneys
LI Express

The very good. Any of these teams could beat the others on any given day and might beat one in the group above every so often....

Annapolis Hawks
Laxachusettes
NH Tomahawks
91 Maryland
Leading Edge
Sweetlax upstate
FCA
Taz
Rising Sons



Thank you express dad for your thoughts


Well, Express was beat down today by Sweetlax, how do you put them where they are?? Give me a break Express Dad. When your best player goes down, so does the whole team


That was the Sweetlax National Team. They are good. More than half of the starters ade committed. Best team on the Hill today
sweetlax national team a combo of sweetlax upstate NY and sweet lax FLA? Or is there other?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
in relation to the match up with Team 91 crush
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing AAA hockey.. The summer is when you will see the real match ups of all teams studs.. Edge will make some real noise this summer..


Fixed it for you: Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing on age as 2018's in AAA hockey, but play lacrosse as 2020's to land scholarship to US school in case they dont catch on in hockey.
Another idiotic comment from the peanut gallery...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
in relation to the match up with Team 91 crush
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing AAA hockey.. The summer is when you will see the real match ups of all teams studs.. Edge will make some real noise this summer..


Fixed it for you: Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing on age as 2018's in AAA hockey, but play lacrosse as 2020's to land scholarship to US school in case they dont catch on in hockey.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
in relation to the match up with Team 91 crush
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing AAA hockey.. The summer is when you will see the real match ups of all teams studs.. Edge will make some real noise this summer..


Fixed it for you: Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing on age as 2018's in AAA hockey, but play lacrosse as 2020's to land scholarship to US school in case they dont catch on in hockey.


Stop the whining, all teams have hold backs, if you can't compete then you shouldn't play, life is not always fair. This is coming from a parent of an on age kid. I'm sick of hearing about this. My kid stepped up, how bout yours does the same!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
in relation to the match up with Team 91 crush
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing AAA hockey.. The summer is when you will see the real match ups of all teams studs.. Edge will make some real noise this summer..


Fixed it for you: Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing on age as 2018's in AAA hockey, but play lacrosse as 2020's to land scholarship to US school in case they dont catch on in hockey.


Stop the whining, all teams have hold backs, if you can't compete then you shouldn't play, life is not always fair. This is coming from a parent of an on age kid. I'm sick of hearing about this. My kid stepped up, how bout yours does the same!


Good for you, but there is something else to consider. Holdbacks, being one a one year holdback is one thing, but having double holdbacks is way out of line and over the top. 2018's should in no way be playing 2020 club lacrosse, they are double holdbacks.
Now, if you are sick of hearing about this then don't read it. Not that difficult. Just don't read it.
Those boys must feel very tough running over kids they are 2/3 years older than
There is no double hold backs on the edge team.. bring your birth certificates.. easiest way to settle this.. problem is you won't be able to complain after you get proof that they are the same age and they beat little johnny's team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
in relation to the match up with Team 91 crush
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing AAA hockey.. The summer is when you will see the real match ups of all teams studs.. Edge will make some real noise this summer..


Fixed it for you: Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing on age as 2018's in AAA hockey, but play lacrosse as 2020's to land scholarship to US school in case they dont catch on in hockey.


Stop the whining, all teams have hold backs, if you can't compete then you shouldn't play, life is not always fair. This is coming from a parent of an on age kid. I'm sick of hearing about this. My kid stepped up, how bout yours does the same!


Good for you, but there is something else to consider. Holdbacks, being one a one year holdback is one thing, but having double holdbacks is way out of line and over the top. 2018's should in no way be playing 2020 club lacrosse, they are double holdbacks.
Now, if you are sick of hearing about this then don't read it. Not that difficult. Just don't read it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those boys must feel very tough running over kids they are 2/3 years older than


Like the new Blaze kid? If the organization condones this, they shouldn't complain about it when it's done to them!
Hahahah. 2-3 years. Lmfo.. by April you clowns will be saying 3-4 years older..
Regardless of organization do not think many approve of this.
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did crush win all their games or lose to Edge? I don't understand what you are saying. Either they win all their games or they lost one. Clarify please.


Crush beat edge by 1 and beat up on BBL and Sweet lax National


Freedom played Ashe today and lots 7-6, great competitive game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.

Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.



Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


Turning sixteen in a few weeks is a one-year hold back, every team has them. Are you as appalled that 89+2 is now encouraging the double holdback, or FCA who is supposed to be promoting fairness and moral responsibility has several, or do you just have it out for one club? Maybe you should investigate your own clubs birthdates, you may be surprised at what you find. You sound pathetic
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.

Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


We had same experience with them and they seriously hurt two of or families and they still lost.,
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.

Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.

Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


crabs, crush, FCA, laxachucettes, edge, Looneys are top teams who have them. Many others do as well, but are not top teams so nobody cares. Not sure what anybody's point here is. Sounds like someone is making excuses because johnny can't compete. Stop your whining if you are on age, if you are lucky you will make it to college and probably have a 20 yr old roommate
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.

Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


crabs, crush, FCA, laxachucettes, edge, Looneys are top teams who have them. Many others do as well, but are not top teams so nobody cares. Not sure what anybody's point here is. Sounds like someone is making excuses because johnny can't compete. Stop your whining if you are on age, if you are lucky you will make it to college and probably have a 20 yr old roommate
. True, those clubs mentioned, other than Crabs, have a few holdbacks but not to the extent of Crabs, with a majority of their roster with holdbacks and double holdbacks. Edge is even worse. The point is, since you can't seem to grasp it is most are sick of the holdbacks. No one is whining but you. You seem to have a problem with on age kids, which leaves me to believe you have a holdback or double holdback. Pathetic. As for Edge, who gives a ratsa*s about their school system. 2018's shouldn't be playing 2020 lacrosse. If Edge wants to play in the US tournaments, 2018 year olds from Edge play in that age group, regardless of their graduation year. If not, stay the [lacrosse] in Canada and play each other. Now Mr whinner, what do you think?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀
I"m sure you guys have improved and obviously you have older kids on average. I have seen people call 9/0/1 out several times only to get their d###s kicked in by them. We will see and I want YOU to come on here an post the score.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.

Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


crabs, crush, FCA, laxachucettes, edge, Looneys are top teams who have them. Many others do as well, but are not top teams so nobody cares. Not sure what anybody's point here is. Sounds like someone is making excuses because johnny can't compete. Stop your whining if you are on age, if you are lucky you will make it to college and probably have a 20 yr old roommate
. True, those clubs mentioned, other than Crabs, have a few holdbacks but not to the extent of Crabs, with a majority of their roster with holdbacks and double holdbacks. Edge is even worse. The point is, since you can't seem to grasp it is most are sick of the holdbacks. No one is whining but you. You seem to have a problem with on age kids, which leaves me to believe you have a holdback or double holdback. Pathetic. As for Edge, who gives a ratsa*s about their school system. 2018's shouldn't be playing 2020 lacrosse. If Edge wants to play in the US tournaments, 2018 year olds from Edge play in that age group, regardless of their graduation year. If not, stay the [lacrosse] in Canada and play each other. Now Mr whinner, what do you think?


Actually I have an on age kid who is excelling and even been askied to play for a few of the topt teams. Just sick of the whining. Step up or step out! This is the reality of youth lax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


Why is the Edge 2021 team horrible???? Where was your outstanding 2020 team last year or the year before? Don't tell me they developed their lacrosse skills. The whole Edge team was born in 2001. That's great, every other 2020 team are filled with players who have a 2002 birth year......And how the [lacrosse] can a team reclass? BTW you will lose next week also.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.

Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


crabs, crush, FCA, laxachucettes, edge, Looneys are top teams who have them. Many others do as well, but are not top teams so nobody cares. Not sure what anybody's point here is. Sounds like someone is making excuses because johnny can't compete. Stop your whining if you are on age, if you are lucky you will make it to college and probably have a 20 yr old roommate
. True, those clubs mentioned, other than Crabs, have a few holdbacks but not to the extent of Crabs, with a majority of their roster with holdbacks and double holdbacks. Edge is even worse. The point is, since you can't seem to grasp it is most are sick of the holdbacks. No one is whining but you. You seem to have a problem with on age kids, which leaves me to believe you have a holdback or double holdback. Pathetic. As for Edge, who gives a ratsa*s about their school system. 2018's shouldn't be playing 2020 lacrosse. If Edge wants to play in the US tournaments, 2018 year olds from Edge play in that age group, regardless of their graduation year. If not, stay the [lacrosse] in Canada and play each other. Now Mr whinner, what do you think?


Actually I have an on age kid who is excelling and even been askied to play for a few of the topt teams. Just sick of the whining. Step up or step out! This is the reality of youth lax
. Holdbacks are not the reality of youth lacrosse unless the masses lets a few programs (Crabs/Edge etc) run over them. Your statement of step up or step out is way off point and seems to be self serving to you. Again, if you are sick of what you call whining just move on and don't read it. Most who discuss holdbacks are not whining, it's a discussion of what is wrong with youth lacrosse.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.



Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


Turning sixteen in a few weeks is a one-year hold back, every team has them. Are you as appalled that 89+2 is now encouraging the double holdback, or FCA who is supposed to be promoting fairness and moral responsibility has several, or do you just have it out for one club? Maybe you should investigate your own clubs birthdates, you may be surprised at what you find. You sound pathetic
. Sorry bunk but your statement about sounding pathetic really makes you sound pathetic. Of course no one that I have encountered in youth lacrosse encourages holdbacks. Yep, I've heard about the direction of 91 and FCA is now referred to as fellowship of cheating athletes. And I have, as you call it, investigated my sons club, 23 on roster, 4 holdbacks, no double holdbacks. And the holdbacks are just there, not encourage or recruited. So, getting back to your pathetic, people know just as much or more than you, so be careful about calling someone pathetic because it comes right back to you.
It's embarrassing for edge. Most other teams have a player here or there. When it is an entire team of "2018" aged kids that is the issue. The fact you say you can play with anyone is terrible you should beat everyone with an entire team of men vs kids going through or waiting for puberty. Really pathetic edge
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.



Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


Turning sixteen in a few weeks is a one-year hold back, every team has them. Are you as appalled that 89+2 is now encouraging the double holdback, or FCA who is supposed to be promoting fairness and moral responsibility has several, or do you just have it out for one club? Maybe you should investigate your own clubs birthdates, you may be surprised at what you find. You sound pathetic
. Sorry bunk but your statement about sounding pathetic really makes you sound pathetic. Of course no one that I have encountered in youth lacrosse encourages holdbacks. Yep, I've heard about the direction of 91 and FCA is now referred to as fellowship of cheating athletes. And I have, as you call it, investigated my sons club, 23 on roster, 4 holdbacks, no double holdbacks. And the holdbacks are just there, not encourage or recruited. So, getting back to your pathetic, people know just as much or more than you, so be careful about calling someone pathetic because it comes right back to you.


Wow, this is worse than I thought, you are delusional AND pathetic!
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There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.
that's a total bold-faced lie. Every kid on the team is born in 2001. They travel with their passports so feel free to drop by the scrum one day and ask for photo ID. Pretty sure u will be obliged even just to end these ridiculous accusations.
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So did crush win all their games or lose to Edge? I don't understand what you are saying. Either they win all their games or they lost one. Clarify please.


Crush beat edge by 1 and beat up on BBL and Sweet lax National


Freedom played Ashe today and lots 7-6, great competitive game.
good game Freedom and Edge. Freedom have improved. On a sournote that fl$ in 3D was a horrible event fields 11 & 12 were appalling cows wouldn't be seen grazing there. Coaches watching what a joke. I thin I saw a Tasmanian Tiger but no college coaches. We begged our tournament director to go elsewhere and we were very unhappy 1500 for that crap. Wow talk about a cash grab
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did crush win all their games or lose to Edge? I don't understand what you are saying. Either they win all their games or they lost one. Clarify please.


Crush beat edge by 1 and beat up on BBL and Sweet lax National


Freedom played Ashe today and lots 7-6, great competitive game.
good game Freedom and Edge. Freedom have improved. On a sournote that fl$ in 3D was a horrible event fields 11 & 12 were appalling cows wouldn't be seen grazing there. Coaches watching what a joke. I thin I saw a Tasmanian Tiger but no college coaches. We begged our tournament director to go elsewhere and we were very unhappy 1500 for that crap. Wow talk about a cash grab


FL$ 2020 looked really good this weekend at 3D. Beat up on teams. Much improved from the summer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.



Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


Turning sixteen in a few weeks is a one-year hold back, every team has them. Are you as appalled that 89+2 is now encouraging the double holdback, or FCA who is supposed to be promoting fairness and moral responsibility has several, or do you just have it out for one club? Maybe you should investigate your own clubs birthdates, you may be surprised at what you find. You sound pathetic
. Sorry bunk but your statement about sounding pathetic really makes you sound pathetic. Of course no one that I have encountered in youth lacrosse encourages holdbacks. Yep, I've heard about the direction of 91 and FCA is now referred to as fellowship of cheating athletes. And I have, as you call it, investigated my sons club, 23 on roster, 4 holdbacks, no double holdbacks. And the holdbacks are just there, not encourage or recruited. So, getting back to your pathetic, people know just as much or more than you, so be careful about calling someone pathetic because it comes right back to you.


Wow, this is worse than I thought, you are delusional AND pathetic!


There you go again, calling people names, without even knowing the meaning of the words you are using. Now that is pathetic.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did crush win all their games or lose to Edge? I don't understand what you are saying. Either they win all their games or they lost one. Clarify please.


Crush beat edge by 1 and beat up on BBL and Sweet lax National


Freedom played Ashe today and lots 7-6, great competitive game.
good game Freedom and Edge. Freedom have improved. On a sournote that fl$ in 3D was a horrible event fields 11 & 12 were appalling cows wouldn't be seen grazing there. Coaches watching what a joke. I thin I saw a Tasmanian Tiger but no college coaches. We begged our tournament director to go elsewhere and we were very unhappy 1500 for that crap. Wow talk about a cash grab


FL$ 2020 looked really good this weekend at 3D. Beat up on teams. Much improved from the summer.
did they play anyone?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


This sounds like is was written by an Edge coach. I truly hope your team is different, in that the cheap shots/late hits etc are out of your game. That type of game is no fun to watch and could seriously injure a player. Ironically Looney's played a team from the DC area, Blackwolf, this past weekend and it was almost the same situation. Blackwolf with cheap shots, late hits and Looney's beat them 11-2.
I believe at this point in the fall and for next season, 2020's will be playing in recruiting events/tournaments/games and must realize that this is not what a college coach wants to see out of players. You play doing cheap shots and late hits, you will quickly be overlooked by college coaches, believe me, I have had several tell me this. No matter how good the player, if this type of stuff is in his game, they don't want that player.
Lastly, I noticed you stated THEN skilled Looney's team, past tense. They are still skilled and playing well.
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So did crush win all their games or lose to Edge? I don't understand what you are saying. Either they win all their games or they lost one. Clarify please.


Crush beat edge by 1 and beat up on BBL and Sweet lax National


Freedom played Ashe today and lots 7-6, great competitive game.
good game Freedom and Edge. Freedom have improved. On a sournote that fl$ in 3D was a horrible event fields 11 & 12 were appalling cows wouldn't be seen grazing there. Coaches watching what a joke. I thin I saw a Tasmanian Tiger but no college coaches. We begged our tournament director to go elsewhere and we were very unhappy 1500 for that crap. Wow talk about a cash grab


FL$ 2020 looked really good this weekend at 3D. Beat up on teams. Much improved from the summer.
agree on the fl$ in 3d. terrible tournament.
Looneys barely got by Next Level.

Express looked terrible.

Outlaws lost most of their games.

FL$ did not play any good completion, waste of time

Edge looking real good

Sweetlax National looking very strong

Igloo? think they played don't know scores

Crush still on top, but beatable, would like to see them play the other top teams again

Where was Taz?

Freedom very good

Laxachusettes had a tough weekend

College Coaches lining the fields. Should be swarm of commitments coming in December.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did crush win all their games or lose to Edge? I don't understand what you are saying. Either they win all their games or they lost one. Clarify please.


Crush beat edge by 1 and beat up on BBL and Sweet lax National


Freedom played Ashe today and lots 7-6, great competitive game.
good game Freedom and Edge. Freedom have improved. On a sournote that fl$ in 3D was a horrible event fields 11 & 12 were appalling cows wouldn't be seen grazing there. Coaches watching what a joke. I thin I saw a Tasmanian Tiger but no college coaches. We begged our tournament director to go elsewhere and we were very unhappy 1500 for that crap. Wow talk about a cash grab


FL$ 2020 looked really good this weekend at 3D. Beat up on teams. Much improved from the summer.
did they play anyone?


tri-state, NJLC, and PA roughriders. Plus a nice win over sweetlax florida last week
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looneys barely got by Next Level.

Express looked terrible.

Outlaws lost most of their games.

FL$ did not play any good completion, waste of time

Edge looking real good

Sweetlax National looking very strong

Igloo? think they played don't know scores

Crush still on top, but beatable, would like to see them play the other top teams again

Where was Taz?

Freedom very good

Laxachusettes had a tough weekend

College Coaches lining the fields. Should be swarm of commitments coming in December.



And you know all of this how???? Seems you must have spent more time driving than watching games.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looneys barely got by Next Level.

Express looked terrible.

Outlaws lost most of their games.

FL$ did not play any good completion, waste of time

Edge looking real good

Sweetlax National looking very strong

Igloo? think they played don't know scores

Crush still on top, but beatable, would like to see them play the other top teams again

Where was Taz?

Freedom very good

Laxachusettes had a tough weekend

College Coaches lining the fields. Should be swarm of commitments coming in December.

college coaches in Delaware. How much money did they pay that famrer to use his field is was dangerous honestly lucky a kid didn't rip their knee out. Coach colleges in Delaware I saw a goose that lays golden eggs the mad hatter but college coaches were elsewhere. As a team director never again there.
Are scores from the "lesser" games at Big 4 available anywhere? How did Eclipse do?
FL$ in 3d wasn't great, wasn't horrible. That smell around 1PM Sunday was pretty awful though. Some fields were great (turf) some where OK, some were bad. Parking ok, bathrooms good, security great. College coach attendance was OK. Overall seemed decent. Not worth the drive, how come LI cant have a league and all teams just play against each other on a weekly basis. It would work great, just need someone to get it going with the right connections. Seems like a win/win from my point of view. Thoughts?
There were good teams there--but they were each in separate divisions. If there isn't a playoff format the teams would've been better served to put all the good ones in one group--common, they know whose who. Or have it a playoff format if they are going to be grouped that way.
AND...the fields were not nearly as bad as the fields on LI that are used for tournaments at Suny Farmingdale--which to me is bar none THE WORST tournament venue.
But, if you put the LI teams in the same division, it begs the question, why are we travelling to Delaware to play LI competition?
"The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st"
You just described a 2019 team. If you would like to compete against same age/size competitors, that is where you will find them. 2020(other than a few reclasses) are younger less developed players.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀
Feel like Edge puts a ton into looking their best in the fall while many other programs look towards the summer and are less focused on the fall. More laid back approach
I really can't believe how pathetic the anti holdback/reclass parents are!! Who gives a Frkn rats arse if your "on age kid" or "on age" entire team has to compete against Edge or Crabs, especially since you say in the same breath "play up not down" to become a better player! I would rather loose 8-6 to edge then win 13-2 against "on age" supposed AA teams..i.e. Eclipse, DC express, madlax etc etc. And please don't give me the "it's dangerous" ..we are all competing with Juniors and Seniors now during high school ball. Not one dad of a talented player (committed or not) ever complains about older kids. It's always from a Dad who's kid has received no looks!
most 13 and 14 yr old boys are not developed physically as compared to a 16 yr old they are playing against. These older kids are hurting the younger boys that are not cheating and playing in their age appropriate group. When they get to college it all evens out, But until then we need to fix the problem and get rid of those who cheat. My guess is your son is one of those holdbacks.
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I really can't believe how pathetic the anti holdback/reclass parents are!! Who gives a Frkn rats arse if your "on age kid" or "on age" entire team has to compete against Edge or Crabs, especially since you say in the same breath "play up not down" to become a better player! I would rather loose 8-6 to edge then win 13-2 against "on age" supposed AA teams..i.e. Eclipse, DC express, madlax etc etc. And please don't give me the "it's dangerous" ..we are all competing with Juniors and Seniors now during high school ball. Not one dad of a talented player (committed or not) ever complains about older kids. It's always from a Dad who's kid has received no looks!


While this is a 202 board, realize that the on-age vs holdback issue goes down to younger boys where the issue is definitely a problem that is not present in HS age boys. Sometimes you need to open your eyes to the big picture, and not just see the microcosm of your own little piece of things.
"My guess your son is a holdback". You are a genius. My best Sherlock Holmes leads me to believe your phone has not rang once asking about your boy.?? I thought so. And there you clowns go again with 13 vs 16. You lose what little credibility you have. Maybe some islolated examples of 16 vs 14 1/2 but nobody who matters cares.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"My guess your son is a holdback". You are a genius. My best Sherlock Holmes leads me to believe your phone has not rang once asking about your boy.?? I thought so. And there you clowns go again with 13 vs 16. You lose what little credibility you have. Maybe some islolated examples of 16 vs 14 1/2 but nobody who matters cares.


Wrong again genius. There were many 2020's this past season that were 13 and did not turn 14 until after June. So it is 16 vs. 13 and not 14.5 (that's 14 1/2 in case you don't understand). There are many who care, and those people are much more upstanding than you, who has to have his son be a holdback in order to compete because I bet if your kid was on age he would not be able to keep up.
There are those who are concerned about holdbacks, obviously you are not one of them, you worship them, so why not just not bother reading about those who have an issue with holdbacks or if you do read about it, afterwards just STFU. You are an absolute idiot with zero accountability.
There is nothing isolated about the rampant abuse of holdbacks playing against younger kids for Looneys/FCA/Crabs. Its how the Baltimore private schools operate. Whittle Johnny Balzac is not good enough to play against his friends - lets keep him back a year or two so he can beat up on the younger boys. It will feel so good.
Confirmed. Your phone didn't ring. Hahah. . How does it feel to be planning your family's vacation times and budgeting for the recruiting showcase circuit all over again. Enjoy that loser..
What team does your son play for?? No one seems to want to answer that question
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Feel like Edge puts a ton into looking their best in the fall while many other programs look towards the summer and are less focused on the fall. More laid back approach
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Confirmed. Your phone didn't ring. Hahah. . How does it feel to be planning your family's vacation times and budgeting for the recruiting showcase circuit all over again. Enjoy that loser..


You seem to be the biggest loser here. You johnny boy had to be held back in order to be able to compete with younger kids. And I call BS, you kid has not committed, your statement about vacation and showcases is what you will be doing again next summer. Wow, how much extra did it cost you in tuition for that extra year that didn't pay off. Since your kid doesn't have it by now there is a good chance he never will. Save some money, go get him a set of golf clubs and be done with lacrosse. Plus, if you knew anything about early committing, coaches are not allowed to contact kids when they are freshman, and I assume that is what your kid is since this is a 2020 forum. So again, BS to YOUR phone ringing, unless it is your wife asking if you did the dishes and cleaned the house. See you loser.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is nothing isolated about the rampant abuse of holdbacks playing against younger kids for Looneys/FCA/Crabs. Its how the Baltimore private schools operate. Whittle Johnny Balzac is not good enough to play against his friends - lets keep him back a year or two so he can beat up on the younger boys. It will feel so good.


And you think this only goes on in Baltimore and not NY, NJ, Pa etc? If you do, you are delusional and completely out of touch.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".
yep the brand of beating the American teams... scores are usually pretty lopsided.. so parents pull the your kids are soo much older..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".


Rematch between Edge and Looneys would be great! Looneys would now loose by a large margin, and complaining and whining the whole time. Hope it happens soon to put this to rest
Hard Cor from Canada has obviously followed the same idea as Edge.
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Hard Cor from Canada has obviously followed the same idea as Edge.

Yup, overage hockey goons "playing" lacrosse. What a F'n joke.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".


Rematch between Edge and Looneys would be great! Looneys would now loose by a large margin, and complaining and whining the whole time. Hope it happens soon to put this to rest
. So Edge could play their OVERAGE THUGS again and continue their headhunting/thug sh*t. This game was play a year ago, someone mentioned this game and what transpired yet it seems an Edge coach responded saying LAST year in capital letters and also indicated Looney's WAS talented but shows no respect to Looneys or anyone else. As far as I am concerned nothing would make me happier than for your club to stay out of the US and stay the [lacrosse] in Canada. Your reputation sucks and it is not just the Looneys 2020 game. It goes beyond that, it has happened many times in many games. Why not just play lacrosse the way it should be played and knock off the thug behavior. Or, are Edge teams coached that wY.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀



As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".


Rematch between Edge and Looneys would be great! Looneys would now loose by a large margin, and complaining and whining the whole time. Hope it happens soon to put this to rest
. So Edge could play their OVERAGE THUGS again and continue their headhunting/thug sh*t. This game was play a year ago, someone mentioned this game and what transpired yet it seems an Edge coach responded saying LAST year in capital letters and also indicated Looney's WAS talented but shows no respect to Looneys or anyone else. As far as I am concerned nothing would make me happier than for your club to stay out of the US and stay the [lacrosse] in Canada. Your reputation sucks and it is not just the Looneys 2020 game. It goes beyond that, it has happened many times in many games. Why not just play lacrosse the way it should be played and knock off the thug behavior. Or, are Edge teams coached that wY.


You sound like a bitter loser. Edge is a solid team that is rocking some of the Ill prepared wimpy prep school complainers. Why does that bother you so much? I am not an edge parent, but respect a talented team. All you people complaining about holdbacks need to take a closer look at your own team. Stop being jealous of all the edge boys who are being actively recruited as we speak. Our team welcomes the competition brought by Edge, if violations are committed, they will be called. Please stop your complaining
typical idiotic attitude.. Canadians are making lacrosse more popular.. you are just jealous college coaches love Canadian players
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".


Rematch between Edge and Looneys would be great! Looneys would now loose by a large margin, and complaining and whining the whole time. Hope it happens soon to put this to rest
. So Edge could play their OVERAGE THUGS again and continue their headhunting/thug sh*t. This game was play a year ago, someone mentioned this game and what transpired yet it seems an Edge coach responded saying LAST year in capital letters and also indicated Looney's WAS talented but shows no respect to Looneys or anyone else. As far as I am concerned nothing would make me happier than for your club to stay out of the US and stay the [lacrosse] in Canada. Your reputation sucks and it is not just the Looneys 2020 game. It goes beyond that, it has happened many times in many games. Why not just play lacrosse the way it should be played and knock off the thug behavior. Or, are Edge teams coached that wY.
"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.
My phone doesn't have to ring . My son competes at the highest level
And plays against crush , edge, crabs etc. in addition he has a 95 avg recieves a ademic honors and will go where ever he chooses. Considering your son is a hold back and couldn't make the grades I guess you can't say the same. That is the reason he is held back correct? Because anything else is just cheating the system .
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"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.


Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too
Def from a Crab parent.

As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".


Rematch between Edge and Looneys would be great! Looneys would now loose by a large margin, and complaining and whining the whole time. Hope it happens soon to put this to rest

Looney's would lose by a wide margin, why, because you have even more older players on Edge 2020 now? You just don't get it, Edge doesn't have a favorable reputation in the US. Not because of wins or losses but simply because how their teams play, like thugs and the fact that they are older than their counterparts. You will never admit it but we know its true. People keep saying all born 2001, check their passports etc. I call bs on that. No one is taking anything away from any talented Edge player, but how they play, like the Looney's game last year, is disgusting.
I'm the one who posted about last years Looney's game a few days ago. I'm not associated with Looney's, my son just finished a game on the next field and he wanted to see Looney's play so we watched the game. Yes, it was a disgusting display of unsportsmanship and continued throughout the game. I know it is now grade based but when you have true 2018's playing on a 2020 lacrosse team, something is seriously wrong. Being older is one thing, but being older and bigger and playing like they did in last years Looney's game is going too far and that is what needs to be stoped.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.


Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Missing.The.Point! But, not surprising . . .
How did Edge do this weekend at the Big4 Tourney?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.


Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield
Gladly have us show our passports.. you contradict yourself and go on and say they are 2018. just a dumb comment.. if all born in 2001 then in your mind thats a 2018 team eh good math... Don't call bs ask simple.. you are just afraid to be proven wrong and then you would have nothing else to complain about.. what team does your son play for?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did Edge do this weekend at the Big4 Tourney?
not great lost 8-7 to LIE lost 9-8 to 89+2 and lost 7-5 to bbl another game against a weak team as they let down after coming so close to 89-2. That game could have went either way. Can't wait for the summer when one gets to play through an event!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.


Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


I always love how the cheap holdback parents don't want to hear that they are the problem with lacrosse right now. They want us all to forget that their kid can't compete on age. My 2020 who just turned 14 does fine against the holdbacks. If I dropped him to 2021 he would be a dominant force. He does it with skill. Most holdbacks do it with size and physical maturity. If your holdback is so great, play in a varsity division. Show your kid can play with older kids. Right now all you show is your kid can't cut it, unless he is 1-2 years older. Sad!
I would rather boycott the lousy teams like DC express, Madlax, black wolf etc and play a competitive team like Edge, Looney's FCA, Crabs, Crush everytime!! Our boys are in high school now. Don't know about you but my kid hope to be in the mix on his varsity team and that will be against 2017 and 2018's. I really don't understand it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.


Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


Haha, will never happen, you would then have to walk off when playing Crush, Laxachusettes, FCA, Crabs, etc. And that's where all the coaches are watching
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Gladly have us show our passports.. you contradict yourself and go on and say they are 2018. just a dumb comment.. if all born in 2001 then in your mind thats a 2018 team eh good math... Don't call bs ask simple.. you are just afraid to be proven wrong and then you would have nothing else to complain about.. what team does your son play for?


No one is afraid to be proven wrong. An edge poster is the one who said all born 2001 and another said playing 2018 hockey because it is age based. Never said 2001 equates to 2018. DOB year 2000 is 2018 grad year, simple math.
You can't have it both ways, having 2000's playing 2018 hockey and then playing 2020 lacrosse. Seems these players are 16 maybe close to 17 and in the 9th grade. Around here, 14 year olds are in the 9th grade.
My son plays for a 2020 AA team, not an elite team but he has several friends who play for Looney's, that's why we stopped to watch the game last year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would rather boycott the lousy teams like DC express, Madlax, black wolf etc and play a competitive team like Edge, Looney's FCA, Crabs, Crush everytime!! Our boys are in high school now. Don't know about you but my kid hope to be in the mix on his varsity team and that will be against 2017 and 2018's. I really don't understand it.
Well then just start a mini-NLF. Also, a lot of the players on your lousy boycott teams will be doing what your kid is doing, fighting for a varsity spot this spring, and most of them on top 5, 10, or 20 HS teams in the country.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did Edge do this weekend at the Big4 Tourney?
not great lost 8-7 to LIE lost 9-8 to 89+2 and lost 7-5 to bbl another game against a weak team as they let down after coming so close to 89-2. That game could have went either way. Can't wait for the summer when one gets to play through an event!!


Lost to 89+2 by one and BBL by two? How did BBL do against 89+2? Not well I'd guess, which makes me who was taking the field for Edge in one of those games.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.


Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


I always love how the cheap holdback parents don't want to hear that they are the problem with lacrosse right now. They want us all to forget that their kid can't compete on age. My 2020 who just turned 14 does fine against the holdbacks. If I dropped him to 2021 he would be a dominant force. He does it with skill. Most holdbacks do it with size and physical maturity. If your holdback is so great, play in a varsity division. Show your kid can play with older kids. Right now all you show is your kid can't cut it, unless he is 1-2 years older. Sad!


They also don't want to admit that the problem didn't just emerge when the boys are in 9th or 10th grade - these same boys have been playing down for a number of years prior to that, and THAT is the real problem.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did Edge do this weekend at the Big4 Tourney?
not great lost 8-7 to LIE lost 9-8 to 89+2 and lost 7-5 to bbl another game against a weak team as they let down after coming so close to 89-2. That game could have went either way. Can't wait for the summer when one gets to play through an event!!


Lost to 89+2 by one and BBL by two? How did BBL do against 89+2? Not well I'd guess, which makes me who was taking the field for Edge in one of those games.
yes some kids didn't get in at all against 89+2 so they played the 3/4 of the game agt BBL still BBL came back from 5-1 to win 7-5 good on them
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.
plan your boycott now edge is back at Big 4HHH june 17-18 Crabfeast June 24-25 and NLF 15-16. Ask your coach to boycott those tournaments and you may be looking for a new team next spring.

Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


Haha, will never happen, you would then have to walk off when playing Crush, Laxachusettes, FCA, Crabs, etc. And that's where all the coaches are watching
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.
plan your boycott now edge is back at Big 4HHH june 17-18 Crabfeast June 24-25 and NLF 15-16. Ask your coach to boycott those tournaments and you may be looking for a new team next spring.

Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


Haha, will never happen, you would then have to walk off when playing Crush, Laxachusettes, FCA, Crabs, etc. And that's where all the coaches are watching
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Unfortunately you're probably right, it won't happen. But, if it did, wouldn't it be a beautiful thing to see, a massive protest against Edge, not for who they are but for what they stand for and how they game the system and say it is because of the way their school system works and it is different than the US school systems. Who cares, have your players play in the proper age bracket regardless if it is grade base because your grade base is way different than ours. We do not have 16 year old 9th graders in massive numbers.
THey don't either.. No 16 year olds on the team try reading next time.. in grade 9 you are 14
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.
plan your boycott now edge is back at Big 4HHH june 17-18 Crabfeast June 24-25 and NLF 15-16. Ask your coach to boycott those tournaments and you may be looking for a new team next spring.

Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


Haha, will never happen, you would then have to walk off when playing Crush, Laxachusettes, FCA, Crabs, etc. And that's where all the coaches are watching
[/quote

Unfortunately you're probably right, it won't happen. But, if it did, wouldn't it be a beautiful thing to see, a massive protest against Edge, not for who they are but for what they stand for and how they game the system and say it is because of the way their school system works and it is different than the US school systems. Who cares, have your players play in the proper age bracket regardless if it is grade base because your grade base is way different than ours. We do not have 16 year old 9th graders in massive numbers.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.
plan your boycott now edge is back at Big 4HHH june 17-18 Crabfeast June 24-25 and NLF 15-16. Ask your coach to boycott those tournaments and you may be looking for a new team next spring.

Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


Haha, will never happen, you would then have to walk off when playing Crush, Laxachusettes, FCA, Crabs, etc. And that's where all the coaches are watching
[/quote

Unfortunately you're probably right, it won't happen. But, if it did, wouldn't it be a beautiful thing to see, a massive protest against Edge, not for who they are but for what they stand for and how they game the system and say it is because of the way their school system works and it is different than the US school systems. Who cares, have your players play in the proper age bracket regardless if it is grade base because your grade base is way different than ours. We do not have 16 year old 9th graders in massive numbers.
dude you have to lose the 16 year old tag the entire team is 15 except two boys who are 14 as they have December birthdays. All kids born in 2001. Lose this 16 year shite your delusional
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.
plan your boycott now edge is back at Big 4HHH june 17-18 Crabfeast June 24-25 and NLF 15-16. Ask your coach to boycott those tournaments and you may be looking for a new team next spring.

Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


Haha, will never happen, you would then have to walk off when playing Crush, Laxachusettes, FCA, Crabs, etc. And that's where all the coaches are watching
[/quote

Unfortunately you're probably right, it won't happen. But, if it did, wouldn't it be a beautiful thing to see, a massive protest against Edge, not for who they are but for what they stand for and how they game the system and say it is because of the way their school system works and it is different than the US school systems. Who cares, have your players play in the proper age bracket regardless if it is grade base because your grade base is way different than ours. We do not have 16 year old 9th graders in massive numbers.


The problem is all teams have hold backs, you should just refuse to play for your own team if you feel so strongly. Why single out Edge when most other teams are doing the same thing? Look at the ages on the college rosters, this is not a new thing, and useless US Lacrosse refuses to address it. I don't like it, but it's the way it is. Look at as a challenge. My son has played Edge, it was a great game and the parents were very nice, not any different than playing Crabs, FCA or Laxachusettes. Great tough competition, good preparation for varsity
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did Edge do this weekend at the Big4 Tourney?
not great lost 8-7 to LIE lost 9-8 to 89+2 and lost 7-5 to bbl another game against a weak team as they let down after coming so close to 89-2. That game could have went either way. Can't wait for the summer when one gets to play through an event!!


Lost to 89+2 by one and BBL by two? How did BBL do against 89+2? Not well I'd guess, which makes me who was taking the field for Edge in one of those games.
yes some kids didn't get in at all against 89+2 so they played the 3/4 of the game agt BBL still BBL came back from 5-1 to win 7-5 good on them


So not only is Edge cheating the system with holdbacks, but cheating its own players by not giving them an opportunity to be seen by coaches against the best talent. Apparently, the Edge coaches don't know that scores don't matter. Having players get seen is what matters at this age. Indefensible.
The fact that the whole team is '01 birthday they should be playing in '19 events OR better yet tournaments adopt a cutoff date. for grade based until yuou just call it "varsity" . but whaa, whaa waha i know. yes my son is 14 and has not hit puberty yet... hanging in there look forward for his sake when he grows...
I will say again.. the only people complaining about hold backs are the parents of Soft, small avg players.. Bootom line... if you are going to ban anyone make it the lousy teams.. who doesn't welcome big physical talented teams to compete against?? The boys are in Highshool bring on Edge 2018!!! We could all use the reps to make it easier to transition to High school ball in the Spring.
THey don't either.. No 16 year olds on the team try reading next time.. in grade 9 you are 14

I did read, and it is clear that Edge 2020 players are 16 and if they are playing 2020 they are in the 9th grade. Not that hard to figure out and understand.
This is information provided either directly or accidently by Edge people/parents/fans.
You need to stop denying the true facts and live up to how Edge and other Canadian teams operate. Why do think Edge is so disliked by so many US club teams, in NY, NJ MD and Pa.? Not because you may win a game, but because of how it is operated and how your system works. There are no 14 year old 9th graders on Edge 2020. Period. [lacrosse], someone from Edge says all 2020's were born 2001. Do the math, that is not 14. You can't even keep your bs straight.
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I will say again.. the only people complaining about hold backs are the parents of Soft, small avg players.. Bootom line... if you are going to ban anyone make it the lousy teams.. who doesn't welcome big physical talented teams to compete against?? The boys are in Highshool bring on Edge 2018!!! We could all use the reps to make it easier to transition to High school ball in the Spring.


People who say "man up, be tough" are they same people who have positioned their kids to do the exact opposite, which is what makes the rest of us shake our heads in disbelief. The disconnect between what you say and what you do is comical.

"They are in High School now..." is a red herring argument frequently used by holdback advocates. Nobody gets recruited from High School, kids are evaluated and selected based on their performance at recruiting tournaments and showcases. In that setting a 15-year old 2019 is still at a disadvantage against a 17-year old 2019. The ones who are getting the most benefit are the ones who were just average against their peers but now look very impressive against younger smaller competition.

On the HS field *most* freshmen and sophomores are playing JV, the ones who don't truly are playing up but they know what they are getting themselves into. For the select few who have the skills and size, playing against older kids helps, but I'm pretty sure those kids would do fine anyway, after all, if I look good playing agains older kids, I'll look great playing against my peers...does anyone disagree with that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.
plan your boycott now edge is back at Big 4HHH june 17-18 Crabfeast June 24-25 and NLF 15-16. Ask your coach to boycott those tournaments and you may be looking for a new team next spring.

Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


Haha, will never happen, you would then have to walk off when playing Crush, Laxachusettes, FCA, Crabs, etc. And that's where all the coaches are watching
[/quote

Unfortunately you're probably right, it won't happen. But, if it did, wouldn't it be a beautiful thing to see, a massive protest against Edge, not for who they are but for what they stand for and how they game the system and say it is because of the way their school system works and it is different than the US school systems. Who cares, have your players play in the proper age bracket regardless if it is grade base because your grade base is way different than ours. We do not have 16 year old 9th graders in massive numbers.
dude you have to lose the 16 year old tag the entire team is 15 except two boys who are 14 as they have December birthdays. All kids born in 2001. Lose this 16 year shite your delusional


Well dude, you seem to be the one that is delusional. Do the math dude, 2001 is 2019, not 2020 dude. So why don't you take your 2020 team with all the 2001 players and play in the 2019 bracket? Oh, I know your answer dude, it is because the are in the 2020 grade. Pathetic. I still think there are some 16 year olds on that 2020 team, why else would some of them be playing 2018 hockey, which is age based. Answer that dude. Not going to lose the 16 year old sh*t because many believe it is there.
Anyone receive roster and game time info for NLF individual showcase?
No but so glad you asked because I was wondering the same thing. . . .
My son is 2001, born in December and a legit 2020, dumb [lacrosse] dude. Get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth
Any dad who has a 2020 kid (a freshman in HS) and is still complaining about the age of his opponents is a loser and needs to get a life.

What's next: asking the HS to produce 4 teams, one for each grade?
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My son is 2001, born in December and a legit 2020, dumb [lacrosse] dude. Get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth
. I have been reading this discussion for the past day and need to post a question regarding a statement about 2pages back. That was, some of the 2020 players for Edge were missing from a weekend tournament because of playing AAA hockey, which is age based, according to the poster. Poster stated they have to play 2018 because it is age based but then further stated these hockey players play 2020 lacrosse, which is grade based. I have seen ages ranging from 14 to 16. Could someone please explain the hockey statement regarding 2018 age base vs 2020 grade base lacrosse. I'm guessing 2018 age base would make kids 16 years old. Confusing.
If you re read someone was being a smartass and said I fixed the post for you and you have kids playing AAA HOCEY 2018 which they were trying to be a troll and be funny... the original post says missing kids for AAA hockey no talk about 2018 it's someone saying idiotic comments to stir the pot.. typical
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is 2001, born in December and a legit 2020, dumb [lacrosse] dude. Get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth
. I have been reading this discussion for the past day and need to post a question regarding a statement about 2pages back. That was, some of the 2020 players for Edge were missing from a weekend tournament because of playing AAA hockey, which is age based, according to the poster. Poster stated they have to play 2018 because it is age based but then further stated these hockey players play 2020 lacrosse, which is grade based. I have seen ages ranging from 14 to 16. Could someone please explain the hockey statement regarding 2018 age base vs 2020 grade base lacrosse. I'm guessing 2018 age base would make kids 16 years old. Confusing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is 2001, born in December and a legit 2020, dumb [lacrosse] dude. Get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth
. I have been reading this discussion for the past day and need to post a question regarding a statement about 2pages back. That was, some of the 2020 players for Edge were missing from a weekend tournament because of playing AAA hockey, which is age based, according to the poster. Poster stated they have to play 2018 because it is age based but then further stated these hockey players play 2020 lacrosse, which is grade based. I have seen ages ranging from 14 to 16. Could someone please explain the hockey statement regarding 2018 age base vs 2020 grade base lacrosse. I'm guessing 2018 age base would make kids 16 years old. Confusing.



this statement was a sarcastic response to edge poster

"I think Fixed it for you: Edge is missing it's top 4 offensive players and top 2 D men that are playing on age as 2018's in AAA hockey, but play lacrosse as 2020's to land scholarship to US school in case they dont catch on in hockey"


I believe other posters took this as someone saying their 2018 hockey players playing 2020. It seems the edge posters are direct in saying they organize their teams by birth year and 2001 play 2020. Which unfortunately probably matches with the majority of us teams.

Long Island should start organizing by age, only play in age based tournaments and other regions would follow.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any dad who has a 2020 kid (a freshman in HS) and is still complaining about the age of his opponents is a loser and needs to get a life.

What's next: asking the HS to produce 4 teams, one for each grade?


Any dad who makes sure his son plays against kids 1-2 years younger is a tool. If your kid is so great play in the varsity division. Man up and play up. When high school comes around, no one complains about age, but this isn't high school.
When people complain about 2020 holdbacks, they are focusing on club lacrosse (where holdback parents are trying to gain a recruiting advantage) and not on HS lacrosse.

The high school argument is just a smoke screen for holdback parents.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any dad who has a 2020 kid (a freshman in HS) and is still complaining about the age of his opponents is a loser and needs to get a life.

What's next: asking the HS to produce 4 teams, one for each grade?


Any dad who makes sure his son plays against kids 1-2 years younger is a tool. If your kid is so great play in the varsity division. Man up and play up. When high school comes around, no one complains about age, but this isn't high school.


Actually, this is High School now.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any dad who has a 2020 kid (a freshman in HS) and is still complaining about the age of his opponents is a loser and needs to get a life.

What's next: asking the HS to produce 4 teams, one for each grade?


Any dad who makes sure his son plays against kids 1-2 years younger is a tool. If your kid is so great play in the varsity division. Man up and play up. When high school comes around, no one complains about age, but this isn't high school.


Actually, this is High School now.
maybe his kid is a holdback so he is 2002 born but in great 8. Or maybe he is just dumb and can't count
Calling someone dumb after you write great 8 is kind of ironic don't you think?
If your kid is 16 in 9th grade, better off forgetting sports and hiring a tutor.
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Calling someone dumb after you write great 8 is kind of ironic don't you think?
very funny
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any dad who has a 2020 kid (a freshman in HS) and is still complaining about the age of his opponents is a loser and needs to get a life.

What's next: asking the HS to produce 4 teams, one for each grade?


Any dad who makes sure his son plays against kids 1-2 years younger is a tool. If your kid is so great play in the varsity division. Man up and play up. When high school comes around, no one complains about age, but this isn't high school.
even if you play JV those kids can range in age from 14-16 so a grade 9 is still playing kids older.
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Calling someone dumb after you write great 8 is kind of ironic don't you think?
very funny
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Any dad who has a 2020 kid (a freshman in HS) and is still complaining about the age of his opponents is a loser and needs to get a life.

What's next: asking the HS to produce 4 teams, one for each grade?


Any dad who makes sure his son plays against kids 1-2 years younger is a tool. If your kid is so great play in the varsity division. Man up and play up. When high school comes around, no one complains about age, but this isn't high school.
even if you play JV those kids can range in age from 14-16 so a grade 9 is still playing kids older.
is there a schedule anywhere for the philly freshman tournament
The only Tudor that turning "16" year old freshman will need is when he gets to his top IVY school to make sure he maintains his 4.0 GPA he is carrying over from high school. You anti holdback whiner dads with soft kids are all tools.
Majority of recruiting for college lacrosse is done at the club level which is grouped by graduation year. When a 16 year old 8th grader is playing against 13 and 14 years old he is naturally going to look better.

Eventually this scourge will disappear once everyone is forced to go grade based.
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The only Tudor that turning "16" year old freshman will need is when he gets to his top IVY school to make sure he maintains his 4.0 GPA he is carrying over from high school. You anti holdback whiner dads with soft kids are all tools.
tudor is era in British history Einstein and his older brother. The word your looking for here is Tutor.
philly freshman schedule is up on tourneymachine.com
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If your kid is 16 in 9th grade, better off forgetting sports and hiring a tutor.


Why? If you are in private school and did prefirst, there is a good chance you would turn 16 towards the Spring of your Freshman year. Why would you give up sports? Why would you automatically need a tutor? The kids you are mocking are likely to be very smart, and they didn't do perfirst for sports, rather, they did so die to the curriculum at their school. Maybe you could have benefited from prefirst.
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philly freshman schedule is up on tourneymachine.com thku
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"if violations are committed, they will be called" Really? By whom??! When have you ever seen or heard a tournament and/or USAL call out a team for player ages when they are grade-based? The reason the Edge boys play at a higher age level in hockey is because hockey (and soccer) have gone to age-based systems of play, and with good reason, mostly for all the same problems you dismiss exist with holdbacks. And these sports are stronger because of it.
really Canadian Punks go look up the meaning of the word punk these are nice 14 and 15 year old boys trying to find a way to combine athletics and learning at the Univesrity level "Punks" don't do that. That is way overboard

Toughen up and stop crying. Edge is playing by the rules, every team has older players, including yours. The boys are in HS now, give it a break. if you don't like it don't play lacrosse. About a third of the college freshman lax players I know have a 20 year old roommate. Sounds like badminton may be a better option for your son. But you'd probably find something to complain about there too


Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield
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There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".
was at the game the player involved no longer plays for Edge. The irony here is the Looney's get to that type of play again Sunday when they face Hardcor who will quickly make all those offended forget abot Edge
Looney's parents should not be calling anybody else out for bad behavior.
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The only Tudor that turning "16" year old freshman will need is when he gets to his top IVY school to make sure he maintains his 4.0 GPA he is carrying over from high school. You anti holdback whiner dads with soft kids are all tools.


So funny that you call parents with on age kids soft, when your holdback can only compete with younger kids. What a wuss you must be raising. As far as Ivy schools go, I doubt a parent that is seeking a "Tudor" for his kid is raising a 4.0 student.
Difference for most of these reclassed kid is "1st round draft pick vs 3-4th round if stayed on age. Whiner dads have soft players regardless.
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The only Tudor that turning "16" year old freshman will need is when he gets to his top IVY school to make sure he maintains his 4.0 GPA he is carrying over from high school. You anti holdback whiner dads with soft kids are all tools.


So funny that you call parents with on age kids soft, when your holdback can only compete with younger kids. What a wuss you must be raising. As far as Ivy schools go, I doubt a parent that is seeking a "Tudor" for his kid is raising a 4.0 student.


Frankly, surprised that OP can spell Ivy.
I really don't understand why someone who wants his 12, 13, 14 or 15 year old to compete against kids his own age make him a wuss. 16 and older fine but when they are younger than 16 - age can make a huge difference. If you disagree and want your son to play against older kids then you can have your child play up. There is no logical reason to play down except that the child is not good enough or not dominant enough when playing on age.
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Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield
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You'd be walking off almost every field. As would all the teams. No one wants to point fingers because EVERYONE is guilty.

Shameful. Sadly this will end badly when a kid is seriously injured by a bigger holdback and US Lacrosse is forced to address the situation when their insurance carrier, Bollinger Sports, demands it.
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Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


You'd be walking off almost every field. As would all the teams. No one wants to point fingers because EVERYONE is guilty.

Shameful. Sadly this will end badly when a kid is seriously injured by a bigger holdback and US Lacrosse is forced to address the situation when their insurance carrier, Bollinger Sports, demands it. [/quote]

2020 is High School now. Who cares if Edge is typically a year older; take that weak nonsense to the youth forum.
or you could just man up and play the game not caring who wins or loses and potentially getting better in the process. Now go back to your election protest you damn cry baby.
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I really don't understand why someone who wants his 12, 13, 14 or 15 year old to compete against kids his own age make him a wuss. 16 and older fine but when they are younger than 16 - age can make a huge difference. If you disagree and want your son to play against older kids then you can have your child play up. There is no logical reason to play down except that the child is not good enough or not dominant enough when playing on age.
you say 16 this year last year you said 15 and next year you will say 17. Aghast when your son if he makes it enteres college at 18/19 may play a 23 year old
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Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


You'd be walking off almost every field. As would all the teams. No one wants to point fingers because EVERYONE is guilty.

Shameful. Sadly this will end badly when a kid is seriously injured by a bigger holdback and US Lacrosse is forced to address the situation when their insurance carrier, Bollinger Sports, demands it.


2020 is High School now. Who cares if Edge is typically a year older; take that weak nonsense to the youth forum. [/quote]

Yes, you are desperate to have people stop writing about your holdback's inability to play with kids his own age. In high school the older kids are upper classman, not some kid who couldn't make it with his own class and had to find younger kids to try to exploit. Let's be honest, that is weak. 2020 is a high school age, but not a varsity team. You want to apply varsity ages, but don't want to be the correct grade to go along with it. Stop hiding behind a false argument and just admit, your kid can't cut if he plays on age. We all know it about holdbacks, just say it.

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Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


You'd be walking off almost every field. As would all the teams. No one wants to point fingers because EVERYONE is guilty.

Shameful. Sadly this will end badly when a kid is seriously injured by a bigger holdback and US Lacrosse is forced to address the situation when their insurance carrier, Bollinger Sports, demands it.


2020 is High School now. Who cares if Edge is typically a year older; take that weak nonsense to the youth forum. [/quote]

Just cause kids are in High School now does not mean that people are not gaming the system. Although their age is an issue, when it come to Edge people are more concerned with their style of play, which could be best characterized as dirty.
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I really don't understand why someone who wants his 12, 13, 14 or 15 year old to compete against kids his own age make him a wuss. 16 and older fine but when they are younger than 16 - age can make a huge difference. If you disagree and want your son to play against older kids then you can have your child play up. There is no logical reason to play down except that the child is not good enough or not dominant enough when playing on age.
you say 16 this year last year you said 15 and next year you will say 17. Aghast when your son if he makes it enteres college at 18/19 may play a 23 year old


Common holdback drivel, easily refuted. A 19-year old is basically a man, not much physical difference between him and a 23 year old - why he's still in college I don't know but I digress...

This is not the case with 13-15 year olds where even six months can make a huge difference, which is exactly what holdback parents of average athletes are hoping for, while they tell the rest of us to play up, such hypocrisy.

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There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".
was at the game the player involved no longer plays for Edge. The irony here is the Looney's get to that type of play again Sunday when they face Hardcor who will quickly make all those offended forget abot Edge


I was also at that game a year ago and it was more than one player playing out of control and getting called for illegal hits etc. It's a shame edge played like this. I have not seen them since last year and I sincerely hope then have changed how they play. Being 2020's all of the kids on every team needs to realize that most all of their games this fall and next year will be recruiting/showcase and have college coaches watching. Believe me, coaches don't want to see this and if they do, kids who play like that are quickly overlooked. It is up to the 2020 club coaches to keep reminding their players of this and to just have them go out and have a good/solid game to get positive attention. Playing like a goon will quickly get you much negative attention.
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There are double holdbacks - I talked to a dad who said his son is turning 16 a week or so. Very nice guy, offered it up during our conversation. It has an impact but there's nothing you can do about it given the system.


Many people, if not most, have no respect for the Edge program, All of their players are older at every level, its just the way it is. But... to have 2018's playing on a 2018 hockey team but playing on a 2020 lacrosse team is absolutely wrong and is cheating and gaming the system way over the top.


Also, most are tiered of hearing that is the way their school system is and that is way blah blah blah. Then how come these 2018's play on a 2018 hockey team but on a 2020 lacrosse team. Simple, because they are way older than most 2020 lacrosse players.
I saw Edge play Looney's last fall in a tournament in Bel Air, Md. and it was the most disgusting game I have ever seen in youth lacrosse. Edge players much older and bigger and all they were trying to do was physically injure the other teams players. There were so many penalties against Edge I lost count. The refs called the game with about 3 or 4 minutes left, that's how bad it was. Bright spot, Looney's beat these thugs 9 or 10 to 1.


The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".
was at the game the player involved no longer plays for Edge. The irony here is the Looney's get to that type of play again Sunday when they face Hardcor who will quickly make all those offended forget abot Edge


I was also at that game a year ago and it was more than one player playing out of control and getting called for illegal hits etc. It's a shame edge played like this. I have not seen them since last year and I sincerely hope then have changed how they play. Being 2020's all of the kids on every team needs to realize that most all of their games this fall and next year will be recruiting/showcase and have college coaches watching. Believe me, coaches don't want to see this and if they do, kids who play like that are quickly overlooked. It is up to the 2020 club coaches to keep reminding their players of this and to just have them go out and have a good/solid game to get positive attention. Playing like a goon will quickly get you much negative attention.


The kid youre talking about is now committed to a top school
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Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


You'd be walking off almost every field. As would all the teams. No one wants to point fingers because EVERYONE is guilty.

Shameful. Sadly this will end badly when a kid is seriously injured by a bigger holdback and US Lacrosse is forced to address the situation when their insurance carrier, Bollinger Sports, demands it.


2020 is High School now. Who cares if Edge is typically a year older; take that weak nonsense to the youth forum.


Just cause kids are in High School now does not mean that people are not gaming the system. Although their age is an issue, when it come to Edge people are more concerned with their style of play, which could be best characterized as dirty. [/quote]

Ok bitter Looneys dad, go back to your own thread. We know you're mad that your kid got smoked by the Edge player, but it is time to let it go. The college coaches live the Edge boys, the majority of the players are being heavily recruited as we speak.
Edge players are highly athletic , very skilled , and very physical. They play tough . It is a contact sport and if intimidation is a part of their game then so be it. Toughen up or don't play.
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Very simple way to handle these Canadian punks. Just refuse the game at game time. Do warm ups, and walk of the field in protest. If teams did this every time, they'd either stop coming to tournaments or change their behavior. Tell your coach and your director to grow a pair and walk off the field. No reason to play. A, the younger team is not going to look good, and B, they risk injury. It's the only way. US Lacrosse is useless, tournament directors just care about money and college coaches are oblivious. There are NO RULES. #walkoffthefield


You'd be walking off almost every field. As would all the teams. No one wants to point fingers because EVERYONE is guilty.

Shameful. Sadly this will end badly when a kid is seriously injured by a bigger holdback and US Lacrosse is forced to address the situation when their insurance carrier, Bollinger Sports, demands it.


2020 is High School now. Who cares if Edge is typically a year older; take that weak nonsense to the youth forum.


Just cause kids are in High School now does not mean that people are not gaming the system. Although their age is an issue, when it come to Edge people are more concerned with their style of play, which could be best characterized as dirty.


Ok bitter Looneys dad, go back to your own thread. We know you're mad that your kid got smoked by the Edge player, but it is time to let it go. The college coaches live the Edge boys, the majority of the players are being heavily recruited as we speak. [/quote]

Bitter...because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet.
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The entire Edge team is born in 2001. Our whole team will have turned 15 by December 31st. The team reclassed after playing tournaments against 2019 teams who were a year or two older then them. Why do parents keep saying their kids are born in 2002. It's extremely obvious the difference between a 2001 and 2002 born player.

As for the Looneys game ONE YEAR AGO. I agree that it was a disgrace as the kids were beating up on the THEN more skilled Looneys team. If you have watched our team this fall you would know that it is way different. Our Edge team can beat any team in the country, including 89+2. We lost by one while missing one of our Hopkins middies, a top pole, and two of our three starting attack with injuries and hockey. Let's see what happens next weekend in Long Island😀


As for that Looney's game...at the time it only confirmed what many of us had seen firsthand, thuggish play and headhunting leaving a trail of injuries behind, topped off by crude parents...eh. Unfortunately that is your organization's "brand" down here now, a lot of rebuilding to do there since everyone has heard about "that team from Canada".
was at the game the player involved no longer plays for Edge. The irony here is the Looney's get to that type of play again Sunday when they face Hardcor who will quickly make all those offended forget abot Edge


I was also at that game a year ago and it was more than one player playing out of control and getting called for illegal hits etc. It's a shame edge played like this. I have not seen them since last year and I sincerely hope then have changed how they play. Being 2020's all of the kids on every team needs to realize that most all of their games this fall and next year will be recruiting/showcase and have college coaches watching. Believe me, coaches don't want to see this and if they do, kids who play like that are quickly overlooked. It is up to the 2020 club coaches to keep reminding their players of this and to just have them go out and have a good/solid game to get positive attention. Playing like a goon will quickly get you much negative attention.


The kid youre talking about is now committed to a top school


Well that top school is getting pretty desperate for success in the NCAA tournament.
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Edge players are highly athletic , very skilled , and very physical. They play tough . It is a contact sport and if intimidation is a part of their game then so be it. Toughen up or don't play.


There is a big difference between playing like that and playing like a goon and deliberately trying to hurt somebody.
Haven't you realized, the NCAA and on field official's are trying to take the unnecessary hits out of the game. True, it is a contact sport but not to the extreme that a player tries to injure another. That is not how the game was meant to be played. It is not a contact sport like football. I guess you could care less about concussions. Are you going to say that is also part of the game. I'm from NY and if we never saw an edge team again that would be fine with us. Goon squads are not welcome or appreciated in this sport. Pay attention to the direction lacrosse officials are trying to take this game, and eliminate the bs you described out of the game of lacrosse. Ice hockey mentality doesn't fit lacrosse.

The kid youre talking about is now committed to a top school [/quote]

Which school? I'd only believe it if I saw it.
Bitter...because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet. [/quote]

Stop crying ye baby
FYI I have not posted on this thread before but I will try this one more time. I know it is getting old but you obviously don't get it. As the boys all get older and a majority of them have hit puberty then the advantage of being older is decreased. Please tell me why you would have a 15 or 16 year old play against 14 year olds. Give me a legitimate reason why anyone would do this. Telling me that I need to man up and have my wuss son play older kids is not a reason. Why wouldn't you have your son play kids his own age or play against older boys? Using your logic you should have your son play up so that he is ready for college. Waiting for someone to provide an answer. We all know the answer but it might be fun to see you dance around it - or more than likely just insult me.
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FYI I have not posted on this thread before but I will try this one more time. I know it is getting old but you obviously don't get it. As the boys all get older and a majority of them have hit puberty then the advantage of being older is decreased. Please tell me why you would have a 15 or 16 year old play against 14 year olds. Give me a legitimate reason why anyone would do this. Telling me that I need to man up and have my wuss son play older kids is not a reason. Why wouldn't you have your son play kids his own age or play against older boys? Using your logic you should have your son play up so that he is ready for college. Waiting for someone to provide an answer. We all know the answer but it might be fun to see you dance around it - or more than likely just insult me.


I do agree, my son is a true 2020. Last year he had a tough time because he was late to mature so the disparity definitely made him look weak. We got through it and puberty has hit. He is now doing great and the hold backs are not an issue. My advice would be to persevere through the nonsense, if your kid is truly a good player, things will even out this year or next. We can't change the mentality of the sneaky cheating weasels, but through dedication, and talent they will be surpassed, because most of them are not good and their parents are grasping at any way to make their kid look better. We welcome the holdbacks now and enjoy beating them, so sweet
I have never heard one positive thing about an Edge team. Your not tough, your cheap. There is a difference. Toughen up?? No play the game by the rules. Trust me, if you brought any of your team down against a top PA team and the refs said "have at it" the teams would wipe their a$$ with you. Look at the Connectlax instagram up right now touting to 'tag a dpole" more like dHe##. The kid t's off on a kid batting for a gb. He totally blinds sides the kid. Thats a Pu$$ move. Again not tough, your cheap oh and old.
Bitter because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet. [/quote]. The only way the people from Canada know how to play lacrosse, late hits, cheap hits, trash talk. They very much disrespect the game of lacrosse. I agree with the NY poster, keep them out of the US for lacrosse. Maybe we also need a wall on our northern border. Yep, that would work.
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Bitter...because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet.


Stop crying ye baby [/quote]. Crying? Seems like you are the one crying because you are being called out as a bunch of thugs and that is the only way you know how to play lacrosse. It is many areas of the US where you are not welcomed. I would guess the only other person even more unwelcome is the dirtbag Canadian Justin Bieber.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI I have not posted on this thread before but I will try this one more time. I know it is getting old but you obviously don't get it. As the boys all get older and a majority of them have hit puberty then the advantage of being older is decreased. Please tell me why you would have a 15 or 16 year old play against 14 year olds. Give me a legitimate reason why anyone would do this. Telling me that I need to man up and have my wuss son play older kids is not a reason. Why wouldn't you have your son play kids his own age or play against older boys? Using your logic you should have your son play up so that he is ready for college. Waiting for someone to provide an answer. We all know the answer but it might be fun to see you dance around it - or more than likely just insult me.


the biggest farce is the one where you believe the age thing stops givng the edge at 15, it continues through to 19/20+ like a 19 year old against a 22 year. you know when that man strength kicks in.
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Bitter...because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet.


Stop crying ye baby
. Crying? Seems like you are the one crying because you are being called out as a bunch of thugs and that is the only way you know how to play lacrosse. It is many areas of the US where you are not welcomed. I would guess the only other person even more unwelcome is the dirtbag Canadian Justin Bieber. [/quote]

Ok Looney Loser, has a nice ring to it , no?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bitter...because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet.


Stop crying ye baby
. Crying? Seems like you are the one crying because you are being called out as a bunch of thugs and that is the only way you know how to play lacrosse. It is many areas of the US where you are not welcomed. I would guess the only other person even more unwelcome is the dirtbag Canadian Justin Bieber. [/quote]

Not crying here, kid is going to a top 20 US school, yours? Don't you see your complaining is just that? Focus on the kids stick skills, would be time better spent
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bitter...because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet.


Stop crying ye baby
. Crying? Seems like you are the one crying because you are being called out as a bunch of thugs and that is the only way you know how to play lacrosse. It is many areas of the US where you are not welcomed. I would guess the only other person even more unwelcome is the dirtbag Canadian Justin Bieber.


Ok Looney Loser, has a nice ring to it , no? [/quote]. Keep guessing little Edge boy, I'm from NY and proud of it. Also proud that I detest Edge and everything they stand for and represent, which in the lacrosse world is thugs/cheap-late hits. Do I need to go on, I think you get the picture. Too bad you people can't ask around the US club teams and see how you are viewed. And no, it has nothing to do with winning or losing. You are not liked or respected because of your thug and cheap style of playing. Take some time and do some research, you'll see.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bitter...because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet.


Stop crying ye baby
. Crying? Seems like you are the one crying because you are being called out as a bunch of thugs and that is the only way you know how to play lacrosse. It is many areas of the US where you are not welcomed. I would guess the only other person even more unwelcome is the dirtbag Canadian Justin Bieber.


Not crying here, kid is going to a top 20 US school, yours? Don't you see your complaining is just that? Focus on the kids stick skills, would be time better spent [/quote]. Top 20 US school? I call bs on that. Provide the name of the school. Yep, don't think you will. Stick skills? What do you know about that? Seems you guys just focus on dirty late hits, trash talk and just do your best to ruin and destroy the true nature and value of lacrosse. Your (Canadian lacrosse) proceeds you.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bitter...because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet.


Stop crying ye baby
. Crying? Seems like you are the one crying because you are being called out as a bunch of thugs and that is the only way you know how to play lacrosse. It is many areas of the US where you are not welcomed. I would guess the only other person even more unwelcome is the dirtbag Canadian Justin Bieber.


Ok Looney Loser, has a nice ring to it , no?
. Keep guessing little Edge boy, I'm from NY and proud of it. Also proud that I detest Edge and everything they stand for and represent, which in the lacrosse world is thugs/cheap-late hits. Do I need to go on, I think you get the picture. Too bad you people can't ask around the US club teams and see how you are viewed. And no, it has nothing to do with winning or losing. You are not liked or respected because of your thug and cheap style of playing. Take some time and do some research, you'll see.[/quote] glad this guy finally passed out. Your beer is much to cheap and causes over consumption
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bitter...because you got embarrassed, nope. Would just like to keep the focus on stick skills, passing, shooting, playmaking etc. not dropped shoulders, verbal threats, late hits and stomped feet.


Stop crying ye baby
. Crying? Seems like you are the one crying because you are being called out as a bunch of thugs and that is the only way you know how to play lacrosse. It is many areas of the US where you are not welcomed. I would guess the only other person even more unwelcome is the dirtbag Canadian Justin Bieber.


Not crying here, kid is going to a top 20 US school, yours? Don't you see your complaining is just that? Focus on the kids stick skills, would be time better spent
. Top 20 US school? I call bs on that. Provide the name of the school. Yep, don't think you will. Stick skills? What do you know about that? Seems you guys just focus on dirty late hits, trash talk and just do your best to ruin and destroy the true nature and value of lacrosse. Your (Canadian lacrosse) proceeds you. [/quote]

Might be true, Edge has 3 boys committed to Hopkins
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ice hockey mentality doesn't fit lacrosse.


Not defending late hits and thug-ish behavior, but you all need to remember that the Edge kids play box and it does have an 'ice hockey mentality'.

I'm here in NY and don't play for Edge but my kid does play box and we have come to understand the differences between field and box. Box is much more contact, constant contact, cross checks away from the ball, hard cross checks, cross checks in the back, etc. (which is why box players wear full rib, arm, upper arm, and shoulder pads) All that is LEGAL in box.

Again, I'm not saying any of those techniques should be carried over into the field game, but I do understand where it originates. Get your kids into a box program and you will understand more.

You don't have to, and shouldn't accept that style of play in field lacrosse, but you will understand it more.

A good field coach will point this out to referees and flags should be dropped.

Again, not defending, just explaining. I have no dog in this fight.
From Recruiting rundown.. Guess the edge team isn't that dirty and will be fun to watch
The next crop of Ontario’s 2020 talent was pretty electric to evaluate, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Anderson turned a lot of heads as an uncommitted, box-influenced shooter who demonstrated a nose for the goal, often utilizing a toe-drag or a face dodge before finishing his shots with a nasty release. He scored a ton of goals throughout the weekend and got himself on a lot of schools’ radars. Leading the way up top, Hopkins-bound Raposo was agile and saw the field impeccably, dodging with his head up and exploiting both shorties and longsticks alike. Beyond that, he ran through checks and was generally tough as nails, playing Sunday with fractures in his hand suffered the previous day. A number of other Edge recruits stood out and will be fun to watch going forward.
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From Recruiting rundown.. Guess the edge team isn't that dirty and will be fun to watch
The next crop of Ontario’s 2020 talent was pretty electric to evaluate, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Anderson turned a lot of heads as an uncommitted, box-influenced shooter who demonstrated a nose for the goal, often utilizing a toe-drag or a face dodge before finishing his shots with a nasty release. He scored a ton of goals throughout the weekend and got himself on a lot of schools’ radars. Leading the way up top, Hopkins-bound Raposo was agile and saw the field impeccably, dodging with his head up and exploiting both shorties and longsticks alike. Beyond that, he ran through checks and was generally tough as nails, playing Sunday with fractures in his hand suffered the previous day. A number of other Edge recruits stood out and will be fun to watch going forward.
lets move on from this subject beaten down worse than a dead horse
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From Recruiting rundown.. Guess the edge team isn't that dirty and will be fun to watch
The next crop of Ontario’s 2020 talent was pretty electric to evaluate, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Anderson turned a lot of heads as an uncommitted, box-influenced shooter who demonstrated a nose for the goal, often utilizing a toe-drag or a face dodge before finishing his shots with a nasty release. He scored a ton of goals throughout the weekend and got himself on a lot of schools’ radars. Leading the way up top, Hopkins-bound Raposo was agile and saw the field impeccably, dodging with his head up and exploiting both shorties and longsticks alike. Beyond that, he ran through checks and was generally tough as nails, playing Sunday with fractures in his hand suffered the previous day. A number of other Edge recruits stood out and will be fun to watch going forward.


Several issues. One, how old are the two mentioned players, 15 almost 16? Second, if this is Ty Xanders Recruit Rundown, he is a total joke and no one, from club coaches to college coaches pay any attention to what this jerk has to say. Grease his pocket, he will write you up, that has been said many times. Lastly, if you do look at his list of 2020 committed recruits, there are a total of 68, only 2 from Edge. What does that tell you, and the 2 from Edge both committed to Hopkins, which has a total of (as of today) 11 verbal commits, more that any other college. They are known to over recruit verbally.
The point is, these are verbal commits and Hopkins over recruits more that anyone else. Univ of Md has 8 and UNC 9, again high verbal commit colleges. How many of these players actually sign a letter of intent is anyone's guess, many times the colleges withdraw their verbal offer. The key word in all of this, at this point, is verbal.
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From Recruiting rundown.. Guess the edge team isn't that dirty and will be fun to watch
The next crop of Ontario’s 2020 talent was pretty electric to evaluate, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Anderson turned a lot of heads as an uncommitted, box-influenced shooter who demonstrated a nose for the goal, often utilizing a toe-drag or a face dodge before finishing his shots with a nasty release. He scored a ton of goals throughout the weekend and got himself on a lot of schools’ radars. Leading the way up top, Hopkins-bound Raposo was agile and saw the field impeccably, dodging with his head up and exploiting both shorties and longsticks alike. Beyond that, he ran through checks and was generally tough as nails, playing Sunday with fractures in his hand suffered the previous day. A number of other Edge recruits stood out and will be fun to watch going forward.
lets move on from this subject beaten down worse than a dead horse


A rented mule then?
Actually not a dead horse yet. RR which is viewed by thousands and highly respected amongst coaches is very impressed with them. I also have a '19 and they played the same way. Parents bitched and moaned also. Bottom line is they come to play and play they do. So if they play physical . I'm sure when the spoiled LI boys lay a big hit its ok. And I'm from LI. Toughen up guys
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Actually not a dead horse yet. RR which is viewed by thousands and highly respected amongst coaches is very impressed with them. I also have a '19 and they played the same way. Parents bitched and moaned also. Bottom line is they come to play and play they do. So if they play physical . I'm sure when the spoiled LI boys lay a big hit its ok. And I'm from LI. Toughen up guys
way too much on this subject almost like the Crabs are on here deflecting all the angst in the direction of Edge. See everyone in Long Island Saturday and Sunday
3 events at Farmingdale this weekend. Seems there are some conflicts Saturday with NLF individual and NLF teams playing in Fall Classic. Kids need to be at two places at once. Showcase team or travel teams could be short handed.
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3 events at Farmingdale this weekend. Seems there are some conflicts Saturday with NLF individual and NLF teams playing in Fall Classic. Kids need to be at two places at once. Showcase team or travel teams could be short handed.


There is life beyond NLF. This weekend you also have Jake Reed tryout and PhillyFreshman Showcase. Big weekend. Good luck to all!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually not a dead horse yet. RR which is viewed by thousands and highly respected amongst coaches is very impressed with them. I also have a '19 and they played the same way. Parents bitched and moaned also. Bottom line is they come to play and play they do. So if they play physical . I'm sure when the spoiled LI boys lay a big hit its ok. And I'm from LI. Toughen up guys
way too much on this subject almost like the Crabs are on here deflecting all the angst in the direction of Edge. See everyone in Long Island Saturday and Sunday

You won't see everyone Sunday. NXT in Philly this weekend also.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually not a dead horse yet. RR which is viewed by thousands and highly respected amongst coaches is very impressed with them. I also have a '19 and they played the same way. Parents bitched and moaned also. Bottom line is they come to play and play they do. So if they play physical . I'm sure when the spoiled LI boys lay a big hit its ok. And I'm from LI. Toughen up guys
way too much on this subject almost like the Crabs are on here deflecting all the angst in the direction of Edge. See everyone in Long Island Saturday and Sunday
agreed Philly freshman a big event our team wanted to play there but didn't get in as there are 30 teams registered. Hope everyone has a good weekend wherever you play and lots of looks.
You won't see everyone Sunday. NXT in Philly this weekend also.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually not a dead horse yet. RR which is viewed by thousands and highly respected amongst coaches is very impressed with them. I also have a '19 and they played the same way. Parents bitched and moaned also. Bottom line is they come to play and play they do. So if they play physical . I'm sure when the spoiled LI boys lay a big hit its ok. And I'm from LI. Toughen up guys
way too much on this subject almost like the Crabs are on here deflecting all the angst in the direction of Edge. See everyone in Long Island Saturday and Sunday
Hardcor from Canada playing Sunday in Philadelphia cant wait to see the explosion on thes epages Sunday night.
You won't see everyone Sunday. NXT in Philly this weekend also.
Still waiting for your reason as to why anyone would have their son play down. Is it because the boy can't handle playing with kids his own age or is it that he is just not dominant enough against boys his own age? Wait - recruiting right. To try and gain an advantage. That still comes back to not being good enough.
NXT in Philly is a far better tourney than Fall Classic on LI this weekend despite two of the best teams staying local.
Hardcor 2020 from Canada is VERY good. And very physical. Keep your head on a swivel, and don't stop to grab a ground ball. You will be decked from behind. Scoop through and run like [lacrosse] to open space.
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Hardcor 2020 from Canada is VERY good. And very physical. Keep your head on a swivel, and don't stop to grab a ground ball. You will be decked from behind. Scoop through and run like [lacrosse] to open space.


They have one big middie who is a candidate to foul out every game. Had 4 slashes when I last saw them play.
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Still waiting for your reason as to why anyone would have their son play down. Is it because the boy can't handle playing with kids his own age or is it that he is just not dominant enough against boys his own age? Wait - recruiting right. To try and gain an advantage. That still comes back to not being good enough.
typically kids from Canada who move to the NCAA take a gap year at the end. Some attend Prep schools in the US Trinity Pawling, Culver, IMG and Hill School are popular destinations. Therefore the travel teams (Evolve,Edge or Hardcor align their players up with the year that they would enter NCAA. Therefore a 2001 now is playing 2020 he finishes high school in 2019. then attends prep school. Many go to the Hill Academy as well. They do AP subjects for that year and enter the NCAA in the fall of 2020. Hope this helps why this is done.
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Hardcor 2020 from Canada is VERY good. And very physical. Keep your head on a swivel, and don't stop to grab a ground ball. You will be decked from behind. Scoop through and run like [lacrosse] to open space.

Our Long Island based travel team lost to Hard Cor by two goals in the NXT last summer. They cross check and slash every time they are on defense. Hopefully the refs call them on that. If you play them late in the day like we did, many of their parents/fans will have consumed many adult beverages by game time.
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Still waiting for your reason as to why anyone would have their son play down. Is it because the boy can't handle playing with kids his own age or is it that he is just not dominant enough against boys his own age? Wait - recruiting right. To try and gain an advantage. That still comes back to not being good enough.
typically kids from Canada who move to the NCAA take a gap year at the end. Some attend Prep schools in the US Trinity Pawling, Culver, IMG and Hill School are popular destinations. Therefore the travel teams (Evolve,Edge or Hardcor align their players up with the year that they would enter NCAA. Therefore a 2001 now is playing 2020 he finishes high school in 2019. then attends prep school. Many go to the Hill Academy as well. They do AP subjects for that year and enter the NCAA in the fall of 2020. Hope this helps why this is done.


Thanks for the explanation. Down here we call kids who do that holdbacks. There may be a couple of posts on this site about the topic.

Look at the college rosters that post birth dates. The Canada freshmen are mostly two years older and some one year older. It is rare to find a Freshmen from Canada that is the correct age. The kids. Are held back early on. Also the teams from Canada will take a 2019 team and play in the 2020 division in tournaments when they play in the US. There is no valid explanation for doing that.

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Still waiting for your reason as to why anyone would have their son play down. Is it because the boy can't handle playing with kids his own age or is it that he is just not dominant enough against boys his own age? Wait - recruiting right. To try and gain an advantage. That still comes back to not being good enough.
typically kids from Canada who move to the NCAA take a gap year at the end. Some attend Prep schools in the US Trinity Pawling, Culver, IMG and Hill School are popular destinations. Therefore the travel teams (Evolve,Edge or Hardcor align their players up with the year that they would enter NCAA. Therefore a 2001 now is playing 2020 he finishes high school in 2019. then attends prep school. Many go to the Hill Academy as well. They do AP subjects for that year and enter the NCAA in the fall of 2020. Hope this helps why this is done.


Thanks for the explanation. Down here we call kids who do that holdbacks. There may be a couple of posts on this site about the topic.
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Still waiting for your reason as to why anyone would have their son play down. Is it because the boy can't handle playing with kids his own age or is it that he is just not dominant enough against boys his own age? Wait - recruiting right. To try and gain an advantage. That still comes back to not being good enough.
typically kids from Canada who move to the NCAA take a gap year at the end. Some attend Prep schools in the US Trinity Pawling, Culver, IMG and Hill School are popular destinations. Therefore the travel teams (Evolve,Edge or Hardcor align their players up with the year that they would enter NCAA. Therefore a 2001 now is playing 2020 he finishes high school in 2019. then attends prep school. Many go to the Hill Academy as well. They do AP subjects for that year and enter the NCAA in the fall of 2020. Hope this helps why this is done.


Thanks for the explanation. Down here we call kids who do that holdbacks. There may be a couple of posts on this site about the topic.


So they play younger kids until they graduate HS and then add an extra year before college? What is the purpose? Kids really only do that in the US if they do not have good enough grades to enter the school they were recruited by. In the US a 2020 can turn 15 from 9/1/ 2001- 12/1/2002... seems like your boys are just playing down without actually reclassing ( or holding them back). I get that they end up entering college at the same time as our US 2020's, because they do a 13th year, but really it makes no sense.
Crush staying on LI this weekend to beat up on a bunch of B teams. Really???
Express got lit up today. I assume Express Moran/Wiecorek is their A team.
They lost 7-2, 9-2 and 11-2 at Farmingdale.
All NLF Teams on LI tomorrow which is probably why Edge squeaks by Florida Crush
Who did they lose to?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who did they lose to?

Express A lost to Edge, Florida Crush and West Coast.
Express A and Express B had a combined record of 1-5.
The top level coaching from Moran, Wiecorek and Leghart is really paying off.
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All NLF Teams on LI tomorrow which is probably why Edge squeaks by Florida Crush


Not crabs.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who did they lose to?

Express A lost to Edge, Florida Crush and West Coast.
Express A and Express B had a combined record of 1-5.
The top level coaching from Moran, Wiecorek and Leghart is really paying off.


That wasn't the Terps. It was a new Express team that currently doesn't have a full roster. Leghart B team missing many players and were paired against Crush. Also had Leghart players playing extra games to round out the new team in their games against Edge and West Coast Start --- two big time teams. All in all, a fairly classic Express sh*t show.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express got lit up today. I assume Express Moran/Wiecorek is their A team.
They lost 7-2, 9-2 and 11-2 at Farmingdale.


A bunch of Express kids were playing in the individual showcase.
Excuses are like.........
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express got lit up today. I assume Express Moran/Wiecorek is their A team.
They lost 7-2, 9-2 and 11-2 at Farmingdale.


Not their A Team. Sorry to bring you back down.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who did they lose to?

Express A lost to Edge, Florida Crush and West Coast.
Express A and Express B had a combined record of 1-5.
The top level coaching from Moran, Wiecorek and Leghart is really paying off.


That wasn't the Terps. It was a new Express team that currently doesn't have a full roster. Leghart B team missing many players and were paired against Crush. Also had Leghart players playing extra games to round out the new team in their games against Edge and West Coast Start --- two big time teams. All in all, a fairly classic Express sh*t show.

We knew that the predictable "They were missing many kids" excuse was coming. All teams are missing some kids in the fall. Try to justify all that you want, the 2020 Express teams got an old fashioned [lacrosse] kicking all day.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express got lit up today. I assume Express Moran/Wiecorek is their A team.
They lost 7-2, 9-2 and 11-2 at Farmingdale.


Not their A Team. Sorry to bring you back down.

What team was it then? Loudmouth Leghart coaches their B and C teams.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who did they lose to?

Express A lost to Edge, Florida Crush and West Coast.
Express A and Express B had a combined record of 1-5.
The top level coaching from Moran, Wiecorek and Leghart is really paying off.


That wasn't the Terps. It was a new Express team that currently doesn't have a full roster. Leghart B team missing many players and were paired against Crush. Also had Leghart players playing extra games to round out the new team in their games against Edge and West Coast Start --- two big time teams. All in all, a fairly classic Express sh*t show.

We knew that the predictable "They were missing many kids" excuse was coming. All teams are missing some kids in the fall. Try to justify all that you want, the 2020 Express teams got an old fashioned [lacrosse] kicking all day.


Did they have their fogo?
If I re classed my kid I'd have an all star MVP too. Not everyone will have an All-Star if they reclassed but those that would frown upon it, jealousy maybe but I just don't think it is right, that's not jealousy. Sorry I just hate it. It is all for the optics and opportunity.


A few years in a row I've seen kids shine at ### to look them up and find out they are hold backs, then dig in to find out for sports only.
I dont disagree. My point was simply that it was crazy to put a depleted B team up against Crush. My other point was that this 4th 2020 team is a disaster.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually not a dead horse yet. RR which is viewed by thousands and highly respected amongst coaches is very impressed with them. I also have a '19 and they played the same way. Parents bitched and moaned also. Bottom line is they come to play and play they do. So if they play physical . I'm sure when the spoiled LI boys lay a big hit its ok. And I'm from LI. Toughen up guys
way too much on this subject almost like the Crabs are on here deflecting all the angst in the direction of Edge. See everyone in Long Island Saturday and Sunday

Hardcor from Canada playing Sunday in Philadelphia cant wait to see the explosion on thes epages Sunday night.
You won't see everyone Sunday. NXT in Philly this weekend also.


Wait no longer, but the explosion isn't what you had in mind. Hardcor went 1-2 today, only winning against a weaker STEPS team. They lost to Seeetlax Upstate 5-4 and to Looney's 7-2. Much different than last weekend when they played in a weaker tournament against much weaker teams and going 3-0 and outscoring their opponents 43 to 3. Playing against two stronger teams today didn't produce the same results. And please don't use the excuse not all of their players were there today. Not a good idea to anticipate the outcome of club lacrosse tournament with stronger teams involved.
Hardcor isn't a top echelon team like Edge they are more middle of the pack/bottom end
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually not a dead horse yet. RR which is viewed by thousands and highly respected amongst coaches is very impressed with them. I also have a '19 and they played the same way. Parents bitched and moaned also. Bottom line is they come to play and play they do. So if they play physical . I'm sure when the spoiled LI boys lay a big hit its ok. And I'm from LI. Toughen up guys
way too much on this subject almost like the Crabs are on here deflecting all the angst in the direction of Edge. See everyone in Long Island Saturday and Sunday

Hardcor from Canada playing Sunday in Philadelphia cant wait to see the explosion on thes epages Sunday night.
You won't see everyone Sunday. NXT in Philly this weekend also.


Wait no longer, but the explosion isn't what you had in mind. Hardcor went 1-2 today, only winning against a weaker STEPS team. They lost to Seeetlax Upstate 5-4 and to Looney's 7-2. Much different than last weekend when they played in a weaker tournament against much weaker teams and going 3-0 and outscoring their opponents 43 to 3. Playing against two stronger teams today didn't produce the same results. And please don't use the excuse not all of their players were there today. Not a good idea to anticipate the outcome of club lacrosse tournament with stronger teams involved.
FCA lost? Wow didn't see that coming.
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FCA lost? Wow didn't see that coming.
Why?
Did 2020 NXT get the good players from Risings Sons when they folded? NXT has been bad for years and competed well today. They obviously have new players.
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Express got lit up today. I assume Express Moran/Wiecorek is their A team.
They lost 7-2, 9-2 and 11-2 at Farmingdale.


Not their A Team. Sorry to bring you back down.

As if their A team is dominant. They are a middle of the pack A bracket team.
West Coast Stars not a good team, middle of the pack at best. So much for the West bursting onto the scene. Seattle Stars weak as well.
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West Coast Stars not a good team, middle of the pack at best. So much for the West bursting onto the scene. Seattle Stars weak as well.
West Coast lost kids to Legends West
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who did they lose to?

Express A lost to Edge, Florida Crush and West Coast.
Express A and Express B had a combined record of 1-5.
The top level coaching from Moran, Wiecorek and Leghart is really paying off.


Why wouldn't the almighty Terps want to play against Crush? Why have your B team play them? Very weak by the A coach in my opinion. I can hear it now please don't put us with them. Put our B team against them.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express got lit up today. I assume Express Moran/Wiecorek is their A team.
They lost 7-2, 9-2 and 11-2 at Farmingdale.


Not their A Team. Sorry to bring you back down.

As if their A team is dominant. They are a middle of the pack A bracket team.


Yes, they were beat down good last week at big 4
after playing against Edge on Sunday, I didn't really see what everybody is complaining about. They weren't 'dirty' or 'goons' but they played good lacrosse. Mind you, I'm not really sure if they have a good al around 'team' but they really rely on a few individuals: Big Hopkins middie (cannon of a shot), strong lefty middie (often worked with Hopkins middie on a two man game, which they were very good at) and just used some D-middies to rag the ball up the field on the clear. The attack didn't do a ton, mostly just finished the ball on the crease. Their whole offense is through these two middies. (The two guys written up by Ty Xander's weren't here)
I don't know but this is what I thought of the team. They weren't dirty like y'all are saying but a very good lacrosse team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
after playing against Edge on Sunday, I didn't really see what everybody is complaining about. They weren't 'dirty' or 'goons' but they played good lacrosse. Mind you, I'm not really sure if they have a good al around 'team' but they really rely on a few individuals: Big Hopkins middie (cannon of a shot), strong lefty middie (often worked with Hopkins middie on a two man game, which they were very good at) and just used some D-middies to rag the ball up the field on the clear. The attack didn't do a ton, mostly just finished the ball on the crease. Their whole offense is through these two middies. (The two guys written up by Ty Xander's weren't here)
I don't know but this is what I thought of the team. They weren't dirty like y'all are saying but a very good lacrosse team.


I agree with you, my son's team played them last weekend down in DE and they weren't dirty and the parents were super nice on the side lines too. It was a close competitive game going back and forth the whole time ended something like 8-7, so if there was a time for players to be cheap, it would have been in a tight game like that.
They weren't in the big 4 last week they were at Uplax and went 2-1
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They weren't in the big 4 last week they were at Uplax and went 2-1


If you are talking about Express, they were at big 4 on Saturday I believe they had a 1 goal game with Edge, lost badly to Sweetlax, and Lacxchusettes
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
after playing against Edge on Sunday, I didn't really see what everybody is complaining about. They weren't 'dirty' or 'goons' but they played good lacrosse. Mind you, I'm not really sure if they have a good al around 'team' but they really rely on a few individuals: Big Hopkins middie (cannon of a shot), strong lefty middie (often worked with Hopkins middie on a two man game, which they were very good at) and just used some D-middies to rag the ball up the field on the clear. The attack didn't do a ton, mostly just finished the ball on the crease. Their whole offense is through these two middies. (The two guys written up by Ty Xander's weren't here)
I don't know but this is what I thought of the team. They weren't dirty like y'all are saying but a very good lacrosse team.


I agree with you, my son's team played them last weekend down in DE and they weren't dirty and the parents were super nice on the side lines too. It was a close competitive game going back and forth the whole time ended something like 8-7, so if there was a time for players to be cheap, it would have been in a tight game like that.
thanks for the kind words. We appreciated your hospitality and our three weekends in your country literally the critical mass of kids that are good enough to compete at your level is probably 100 boys in our entire province. Sadly lacrosse has had a steep decline since the Toronto Blue Jays started winning again so we have lost players to baseball. The Freedom game in Delaware was a very good game and we did notice a great improvement in your team from a game a year earlier. We can't wait to come back down an play next summer. edge lacrosse
we are talking about a different express team.
there were a lot of coaches braving the cold and wind in Philly. Brown, Duke, OSU, Bucknell, Princeton are the ones I saw at a particular game.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
after playing against Edge on Sunday, I didn't really see what everybody is complaining about. They weren't 'dirty' or 'goons' but they played good lacrosse. Mind you, I'm not really sure if they have a good al around 'team' but they really rely on a few individuals: Big Hopkins middie (cannon of a shot), strong lefty middie (often worked with Hopkins middie on a two man game, which they were very good at) and just used some D-middies to rag the ball up the field on the clear. The attack didn't do a ton, mostly just finished the ball on the crease. Their whole offense is through these two middies. (The two guys written up by Ty Xander's weren't here)
I don't know but this is what I thought of the team. They weren't dirty like y'all are saying but a very good lacrosse team.


I agree with you, my son's team played them last weekend down in DE and they weren't dirty and the parents were super nice on the side lines too. It was a close competitive game going back and forth the whole time ended something like 8-7, so if there was a time for players to be cheap, it would have been in a tight game like that.
thanks for the kind words. We appreciated your hospitality and our three weekends in your country literally the critical mass of kids that are good enough to compete at your level is probably 100 boys in our entire province. Sadly lacrosse has had a steep decline since the Toronto Blue Jays started winning again so we have lost players to baseball. The Freedom game in Delaware was a very good game and we did notice a great improvement in your team from a game a year earlier. We can't wait to come back down an play next summer. edge lacrosse
Says the freedom dad
Top 10?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10?

1. 91
2. Looneys
3. FCA
4. Express
5. NXT
6. Crabs
7. Edge
8. NH
9. Legacy
10. Legends West
1. 91
2. Loonets
3. Edge
4. Crabs
5. Express
6. FCA
7. West Coast
8. NH
9. NXT
10. Legacy
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10?

1. 91
2. Looneys
3. FCA
4. Express
5. NXT
6. Crabs
7. Edge
8. NH
9. Legacy
10. Legends West
Crabs 2020 should really be in the 2019 top ten
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10?

1. 91
2. Looneys
3. FCA
4. Express
5. NXT
6. Crabs
7. Edge
8. NH
9. Legacy
10. Legends West

Express at 4? Now that's funny.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 10?

1. 91
2. Looneys
3. FCA
4. Express
5. NXT
6. Crabs
7. Edge
8. NH
9. Legacy
10. Legends West

Express at 4? Now that's funny.


NXT???
You are missing Next Level, Hawks, Laxachusetts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are missing Next Level, Hawks, Laxachusetts


Express and NXT do not belong, Neither did well this fall.Tomahalks, Laxachusettes Sweetlax National should be in there behind Crush and Looneys
Next level lost to fl$ last week.
How about this, 91 is tops u till someone beats them again. Which could be coming soon, they almost lost to edge. And then there is a whole pack of teams that can beat anyone on any given day. Why are some people so obsessed with this "top 10" ranking. Seriously, who cares, do you want to be able to say, the team my kid plays on is ranked 5 (or whatever). Let you kids enjoy the game and that should be enough.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next level lost to fl$ last week.


Actually FL$ should be in the top 10.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are missing Next Level, Hawks, Laxachusetts


Express and NXT do not belong, Neither did well this fall.Tomahalks, Laxachusettes Sweetlax National should be in there behind Crush and Looneys
NXT only lost twice both to FCA
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are missing Next Level, Hawks, Laxachusetts


Express and NXT do not belong, Neither did well this fall.Tomahalks, Laxachusettes Sweetlax National should be in there behind Crush and Looneys
NXT only lost twice both to FCA


Nxt also lost to the crabs.
NXT may have lost a couple of games but they are tops when it comes to tweets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are missing Next Level, Hawks, Laxachusetts


Express and NXT do not belong, Neither did well this fall.Tomahalks, Laxachusettes Sweetlax National should be in there behind Crush and Looneys
NXT only lost twice both to FCA


Nxt also lost to the crabs.
Oh I thought that was their 2019
1. 91
2. Looneys
3. FCA
4. Laxachusettes
5. Edge
6. Crabs
7. Sweetlax NY
8. NH Tomahawks
9 - 13. LI Express, NXT, HHH, Leading Edge, Madlax


NXT
9. LI Express
10.
[quote=Anonymous]1. 91
2. Looneys
3. FCA
4. Laxachusettes
5. Edge
6. Crabs
7. Sweetlax NY
8. NH Tomahawks
9 - 13. LI Express, NXT, HHH, Leading Edge, Madlax


[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]1. 91
2. Looneys
3. FCA
4. Laxachusettes
5. Edge
6. Crabs
7. Sweetlax NY
8. NH Tomahawks
9 - 13. LI Express, NXT, HHH, Leading Edge, Madlax


Crabs at #6? No respect from strong island?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]1. 91
2. Looneys
3. FCA
4. Laxachusettes
5. Edge
6. Crabs
7. Sweetlax NY
8. NH Tomahawks
9 - 13. LI Express, NXT, HHH, Leading Edge, Madlax




It should be Sweetlax National at #7, or higher since they beat Laxachusettes a couple weeks ago. They are the top SL team. The NY and FL teams are in the 9-13 range, although SL upstate did beat Edge. Maybe Tomahawks a little higher too. Probably 3-8 could beat each other back and forth. With so many boys commiting, we may see the team dynamics change since many top players will not attend all the tourmaments
HHH blows at 2020. Their are at least r10 teams ahead of them. for the 9=13 slots.
Why is this group so focused on rating high school club teams and revising and arguing about 1-10? It does not matter anymore - in fact it is better for players not to be on those teams as they get seen as they are actually playing in games. All the clubs mentioned above do not focus on all their players - only the top ten on each of those teams gets to see any impactful time on the field. Better to be a starter on a 10-20 team then a bench sitter on any of the 1-10 teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is this group so focused on rating high school club teams and revising and arguing about 1-10? It does not matter anymore - in fact it is better for players not to be on those teams as they get seen as they are actually playing in games. All the clubs mentioned above do not focus on all their players - only the top ten on each of those teams gets to see any impactful time on the field. Better to be a starter on a 10-20 team then a bench sitter on any of the 1-10 teams.


Probably true, only part that could be a problem is the Coaches are generally watching the top teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is this group so focused on rating high school club teams and revising and arguing about 1-10? It does not matter anymore - in fact it is better for players not to be on those teams as they get seen as they are actually playing in games. All the clubs mentioned above do not focus on all their players - only the top ten on each of those teams gets to see any impactful time on the field. Better to be a starter on a 10-20 team then a bench sitter on any of the 1-10 teams.


Probably true, only part that could be a problem is the Coaches are generally watching the top teams.


Agreed they start there but they have already been looking at those teams for summer and fall now - most who are going to be picked up "early" have been a
but not true for the second tier 10-20 teams. Why would coaches go back and keep looking at the same 10 kids playing over and over because the team sits all but the top kids? Individual Showcases are also where kids are getting looked at now. The point is that some of the dads are so obsessed about arguing about the top 10 teams, while their kids are not getting all they can from the experience because they are sitting the bench. High school is very different from youth and most coaches are not really interested if you are on a top 10 team because they know that the starter on a 10-25 teams are generally more skilled than the bottom 50% of the top teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is this group so focused on rating high school club teams and revising and arguing about 1-10? It does not matter anymore - in fact it is better for players not to be on those teams as they get seen as they are actually playing in games. All the clubs mentioned above do not focus on all their players - only the top ten on each of those teams gets to see any impactful time on the field. Better to be a starter on a 10-20 team then a bench sitter on any of the 1-10 teams.


Why do parents focus on Top 10 Lists? ANSWER: because it is the only way over the internet to measure your manhood (or lack thereof). The reality is that the kids on these teams are more alike than they are different. They are closer skill-wise than you wish to believe. And there are many other kids on "lesser" teams who could meaningfully contribute on these "top tier" teams if given the opportunity. So maybe pump the brakes on the whole list thing. It means nothing and you just sound silly and small. By the way, if you put 1% of the effort you expended toiling over your Top 10 List(s) into ranking and retaining a top ACT tutor you would be far better off.
You guys are rating kids? Think about it, adults ranking kids who play Xbox and have curfews and bed ties! You are losers
FCA beats Looneys every time and NH Tomahawks beat them by 5+. Also 3d Colorado 2020 tied Looneys at Terrapin Classic.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA beats Looneys every time and NH Tomahawks beat them by 5+. Also 3d Colorado 2020 tied Looneys at Terrapin Classic.


I believe your facts are misguided.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA beats Looneys every time and NH Tomahawks beat them by 5+. Also 3d Colorado 2020 tied Looneys at Terrapin Classic.


I believe your facts are misguided.


Who really cares? How is this helping your son? Agree with poster above - dads stroking and stoking their own egos. Let's talk best tournaments, camps, share recruiting stories and move away from the rankings.
You are right..they shouldn't even keep score at any games. How about we don't rank the high school teams either or have year end playoffs.. I guess you are all for "participation trophies" as well.. the clowns are out in full force on this post..
LOSERS, and you don't even care. Your son's must be so embarrassed by you.
Thankfully, a few months pause now for trips up and down the New Jersey Turnpike...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are right..they shouldn't even keep score at any games. How about we don't rank the high school teams either or have year end playoffs.. I guess you are all for "participation trophies" as well.. the clowns are out in full force on this post..


You are a funny guy, like mythical ranking on the BOTC are anything like a HS state championship?! Have you been drinking? It is almost like the size of your d&%$ is based on this ranking. You need to relax and get a life
Did I hit a nerve Moron? It's ok your meds are a CVS away..
Huh?
Somebody told me when my son was in 4th grade "just wait, it will all change"...It hasn't changed yet... I'll give it one more year...
The lawn chairs are still only watching teams 1 through 8 play. That's why it matters if a player/parent/director is hoping to get their player "looks". next summer or fall those same coaches may be watching a wider range of teams but for now they are not.
I saw the end of the NH Tomahawks team donkey punching the FCA team at Sunday of NXT. Bigger, faster, stronger and more skilled wins. FCA has great coaching, balanced play, IQ but spread them out onto other teams and the same three kids stand out.
[quote=Anonymous]I saw the end of the NH Tomahawks team donkey punching the FCA team at Sunday of NXT. Bigger, faster, stronger and more skilled wins. FCA has great coaching, balanced play, IQ but spread them out onto other teams and the same three kids stand out.

Top 3 FCA kids not present due to football. Rest of the starting group ( 4 commits) told to go home early because the other kids on squad deserved looks. The right thing to do. Well done by FCA coaching staff. So.....if FCA 2020 Blue and Tomahawks play 10 times, FCA Blue wins all 10 with average margin of victory being 5 plus goals. But it makes for great news in NH this time of year. Fall Ball, hilarious.
"The lawn chairs are still only watching teams 1 through 8 play. That's why it matters if a player/parent/director is hoping to get their player "looks". next summer or fall those same coaches may be watching a wider range of teams but for now they are not."

Ok guru... at NXT plenty of coaches all over the fields in the Predators/fl$/Tri State/NEXT LEVEL bracket... keep drinking your own cool aid...
What do we know about Predators 2020 out of NY? Saw them at fl$ and they looked very good. A little smaller than the elite teams I've seen in 2020. But very fast, great skills and high lacrosse IQs. My guess is they have fewer holdbacks, and thus the size difference.
What.....no Igloo??
Ok...Predators dad
FCA, Crabs and Looneys bar - what is the over/under on single and double reclassed kids? The MIAA and their feeder club teams are everything that is wrong with youth lacrosse. What are you gonna do when things go age based and you can't stock your lineup with man-children?
Predators 2020 went 1-2 and finished last in their bracket at the only decent tourney they played this fall (Philly Freshman). They have holdbacks too.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do we know about Predators 2020 out of NY? Saw them at fl$ and they looked very good. A little smaller than the elite teams I've seen in 2020. But very fast, great skills and high lacrosse IQs. My guess is they have fewer holdbacks, and thus the size difference.
No way this a Predator's Mommy or Daddy....but if it's not.."Hi Coach !"
[quote=Anonymous]FCA, Crabs and Looneys bar - what is the over/under on single and double reclassed kids? The MIAA and their feeder club teams are everything that is wrong with youth lacrosse. What are you gonna do when things go age based and you can't stock your lineup with man-children?

Continue to win under whatever rules are set.
Predators lost by 1 to Next Level and beat fl$. So not like they got rolled. They're certainly not an elite team. Solid A team. Not AA.
Continue to win under whatever rules are set. [/quote]


Ha! That's a good one....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA, Crabs and Looneys bar - what is the over/under on single and double reclassed kids? The MIAA and their feeder club teams are everything that is wrong with youth lacrosse. What are you gonna do when things go age based and you can't stock your lineup with man-children?


Why do you ask the same damn stupid question on a weekly basis, the over/under blah blah blah. One of the things wrong with youth lacrosse is people like you, who just wants to [lacrosse] because their son isn't an elite player and isn't getting any looks. Oh, and now you have a new word--man-children. Where do you come up with this crap.
This is what will happen if it goes back to age base, the three teams you mentioned will continue to win and beat your teams butt every time. Outside of Crabs having the most holdbacks of any elite team, the other two you mentioned do not have that many. I know, hard for you to understand but those are the facts bunky.
Not true at all. Watched game, all 3 starting attack were there and they were missing only one or 2 of their strong middies. Tomahawks were flat out better.
Predators played in the B Bracket at fl$ where you saw them play. Final 4 was Madlax vs Next Level and fl$ vs 3d CO. 3d CO won finals by a goal over Next Level. No Predators to be seen.
All the Looney's hype is because of the face-off kid(UNC). Without him they loose to most of the teams on the top 10 list. They already lose to FCA every time, but they're still ranked ahead…
These clubs are full of kids who should be playing on teams one or two years older. 16 year old 8th graders doesn't exactly make the playing field level.

The amount of kids playing lacrosses is down, attendance at the NCAA Final Four is down. Why? In part because lacrosse is viewed as a sport of rich privleged kids whose parents will bend to rules to get ahead.

Sportsmanship, honor, integrity are not the strong suit of the holdback crowd. Win at all costs. If Biff can't compete with his 8th grade pals - let's just hold him back a year so he can play with little Trigg.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These clubs are full of kids who should be playing on teams one or two years older. 16 year old 8th graders doesn't exactly make the playing field level.

The amount of kids playing lacrosses is down, attendance at the NCAA Final Four is down. Why? In part because lacrosse is viewed as a sport of rich privleged kids whose parents will bend to rules to get ahead.

Sportsmanship, honor, integrity are not the strong suit of the holdback crowd. Win at all costs. If Biff can't compete with his 8th grade pals - let's just hold him back a year so he can play with little Trigg.


Participation rates are not down. The number HS offering Lacrosse nationwide is at an all time high. With regard to the final four. It's Memorial Day weekend, terrible weekend to hold the tournament. With expanded TV coverage most don't see value in going to the games. TV viewer ship is also at all time high.
I will agree the hold back thing is a black mark on this sport that really needs to be removed. Age requirements are in place for every other legitimate sport. It's just laughable what's going on. As I posted on another thread, MD D1 recruits are way down from just 3 years ago. About 90+ kids from MD going D1. Down from 200 3 years ago. Can you imagine all these dim witted MD parents that held back their kids 1 or 2 years in hopes of a D1 dream? Only to now have a 20 year old freshman at a D3 school. Wow. Not sure if there's any correlation, but one would think their D1 commits would be way up. The facts say otherwise. Seems this hold back thing is not panning out the way folks hoped. Sure they look like superstars in 8th grade, but to be clear, these kids are not success stories. Sad really.
Bingo! There is an aristocracy in lacrosse which needs to change. US Lacrosse (actually their insurance company, Bollinger), where are you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
These clubs are full of kids who should be playing on teams one or two years older. 16 year old 8th graders doesn't exactly make the playing field level.

The amount of kids playing lacrosses is down, attendance at the NCAA Final Four is down. Why? In part because lacrosse is viewed as a sport of rich privleged kids whose parents will bend to rules to get ahead.

Sportsmanship, honor, integrity are not the strong suit of the holdback crowd. Win at all costs. If Biff can't compete with his 8th grade pals - let's just hold him back a year so he can play with little Trigg.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the Looney's hype is because of the face-off kid(UNC). Without him they loose to most of the teams on the top 10 list. They already lose to FCA every time, but they're still ranked ahead…


And he is not as dominant as he was a couple years ago, all the top fogos compete well against him now. Maybe cause he's a holdback and others caught up?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the Looney's hype is because of the face-off kid(UNC). Without him they loose to most of the teams on the top 10 list. They already lose to FCA every time, but they're still ranked ahead…


And he is not as dominant as he was a couple years ago, all the top fogos compete well against him now. Maybe cause he's a holdback and others caught up?



Priceless.
Check your facts. Looneys plays without the fogo frequently and wins tourneys still.also they have beaten fca the majority of the time the past few years.yes, it is a good rivalry but looneys has had more success
Now that these 2020s (19s and 18s in the case of some) are getting to the point where most of the younger players who have been playing against older reclassed kids are hitting puberty the advantage of re-classed players is diminishing. Any of the elite club teams could beat the other on any given day.
"What no Igloo"

Igloo took a few steps back this year...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the Looney's hype is because of the face-off kid(UNC). Without him they loose to most of the teams on the top 10 list. They already lose to FCA every time, but they're still ranked ahead…


And he is not as dominant as he was a couple years ago, all the top fogos compete well against him now. Maybe cause he's a holdback and others caught up?



Priceless.


not a Looneys parent here. This kid is good. will play varsity for McDonough this year. not just make the team, but play. holdback or not, he will compete and do very well in the MIAA this spring.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the Looney's hype is because of the face-off kid(UNC). Without him they loose to most of the teams on the top 10 list. They already lose to FCA every time, but they're still ranked ahead…


And he is not as dominant as he was a couple years ago, all the top fogos compete well against him now. Maybe cause he's a holdback and others caught up?



Priceless.


not a Looneys parent here. This kid is good. will play varsity for McDonough this year. not just make the team, but play. holdback or not, he will compete and do very well in the MIAA this spring.


OK Dad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Check your facts. Looneys plays without the fogo frequently and wins tourneys still.also they have beaten fca the majority of the time the past few years.yes, it is a good rivalry but looneys has had more success


I have coached against Looney's in past tournaments in Pa and when their FOGO is not there the have two middies, #17 and #6 who do face offs and while they are not FOGO's, they hold their own against other teams FOGO's. And they still win without their FOGO.
Their FOGO is good and Looneys Bar is good with or without him. Pass the wings...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their FOGO is good and Looneys Bar is good with or without him. Pass the wings...


You seem to be misinformed. It is Looney's Pub, not bar. Need to get your facts straight.
Same as two other establishments that sponsor youth club teams, Green Turtle Sports Bar and Grill --Green Turtle Lax Club and Koopers Tavern--Koopers Lax club.
All are fine establishments and all are nice youth lacrosse clubs.
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"What no Igloo"

Igloo took a few steps back this year...
Igloo lost to NXT
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?


A bunch of Ivies coming. Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Penn getting ready
Ty Ty didn't play lacrosse and didn't go to Alabama - poseur
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw the end of the NH Tomahawks team donkey punching the FCA team at Sunday of NXT. Bigger, faster, stronger and more skilled wins. FCA has great coaching, balanced play, IQ but spread them out onto other teams and the same three kids stand out.


Wonder if the lawn chairs saw the bigger, faster, stronger NH Tomahawks FOGO push the FCA FOGO into the Tomahawks sideline? Pretty sure they did see it as well as the other unsportsmanlike "plays" he made. Trouble.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I saw the end of the NH Tomahawks team donkey punching the FCA team at Sunday of NXT. Bigger, faster, stronger and more skilled wins. FCA has great coaching, balanced play, IQ but spread them out onto other teams and the same three kids stand out.


Wonder if the lawn chairs saw the bigger, faster, stronger NH Tomahawks FOGO push the FCA FOGO into the Tomahawks sideline? Pretty sure they did see it as well as the other unsportsmanlike "plays" he made. Trouble.

I'd say the FCA second teamers put up a strong showing against the NHT. Good for those kids and good for the FCA coaching staff who put the recruiting tourney perspective ahead of any over zealous desire to win the 18th game of a meaningless fall season. Well done.
Whenever fca loses it is an excuse. They were missing 3 kids only. Tomahawks beat theme. Just once admit you can lose to a good team fca. Unbelievable how you make excuses.
FCA - holdback central. Catching up to the Crabs...

Field on age team for gawds sake...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whenever fca loses it is an excuse. They were missing 3 kids only. Tomahawks beat theme. Just once admit you can lose to a good team fca. Unbelievable how you make excuses.


Yep, NHT beat FCA this fall on a day when we were missing kids due to football (for the record it was more than 3) and the rest of our kids played horribly. You deserved to win that game but we can't until the summer. See you on the sidelines!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whenever fca loses it is an excuse. They were missing 3 kids only. Tomahawks beat theme. Just once admit you can lose to a good team fca. Unbelievable how you make excuses.


Yep, NHT beat FCA this fall on a day when we were missing kids due to football (for the record it was more than 3) and the rest of our kids played horribly. You deserved to win that game but we can't until the summer. See you on the sidelines!


In other words FCA was missing most or all of their holdbacks. Do I have that right? I believe I do. I believe that is what you are trying to say, but don't have the courage to say it. FCA is quickly catching up to Crabs as the king/leader in holdbacks. So much for a Christian attitude, it really doesn't belong in your name. The C in FCA would be better at Cheating than Christian.
How was the brine tryout today?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whenever fca loses it is an excuse. They were missing 3 kids only. Tomahawks beat theme. Just once admit you can lose to a good team fca. Unbelievable how you make excuses.


Yep, NHT beat FCA this fall on a day when we were missing kids due to football (for the record it was more than 3) and the rest of our kids played horribly. You deserved to win that game but we can't until the summer. See you on the sidelines!


In other words FCA was missing most or all of their holdbacks. Do I have that right? I believe I do. I believe that is what you are trying to say, but don't have the courage to say it. FCA is quickly catching up to Crabs as the king/leader in holdbacks. So much for a Christian attitude, it really doesn't belong in your name. The C in FCA would be better at Cheating than Christian.


Nothing un-Christian about admitting defeat and inviting competition. As Proverbs 27:17 says, "as iron sharpens iron so one person sharpens another." Game on!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whenever fca loses it is an excuse. They were missing 3 kids only. Tomahawks beat theme. Just once admit you can lose to a good team fca. Unbelievable how you make excuses.


Yep, NHT beat FCA this fall on a day when we were missing kids due to football (for the record it was more than 3) and the rest of our kids played horribly. You deserved to win that game but we can't until the summer. See you on the sidelines!


In other words FCA was missing most or all of their holdbacks. Do I have that right? I believe I do. I believe that is what you are trying to say, but don't have the courage to say it. FCA is quickly catching up to Crabs as the king/leader in holdbacks. So much for a Christian attitude, it really doesn't belong in your name. The C in FCA would be better at Cheating than Christian.


Nothing un-Christian about admitting defeat and inviting competition. As Proverbs 27:17 says, "as iron sharpens iron so one person sharpens another." Game on!


Sorry, but the un Christian comes from FCA following Crabs lead and gaming the system and seeking holdbacks for their teams, like their 2020 blue. I realize all teams have a few holdbacks but FCA is now making this part of their business model, just like Crabs.
So you can quote all the proverbs you want, doesn't change the new image of FCA and the disrespect it is now getting. Don't hide behind religion, it's not very becoming.
How do you know they are using hold backs? What burden of proof are you using to prove this allegation?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you know they are using hold backs? What burden of proof are you using to prove this allegation?


Wonder what club the pot stirrers kid belongs to, because ALL the good clubs have hold backs. Even if you have one, your club director is condoning this and you are too by playing there. Please stop your whining. And , no my kid is NOT a holdback, just sick of hearing about this
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you know they are using hold backs? What burden of proof are you using to prove this allegation?


Burden of proof??? Stop trying to use legal terms when it is obvious you have absolutely no idea what then mean and how to apply them.
It is a known fact, no proof needed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you know they are using hold backs? What burden of proof are you using to prove this allegation?


Wonder what club the pot stirrers kid belongs to, because ALL the good clubs have hold backs. Even if you have one, your club director is condoning this and you are too by playing there. Please stop your whining. And , no my kid is NOT a holdback, just sick of hearing about this


Sure, you kid is not a holdback. Just love the "I'm doing the right thing dads". Complete joke.
You sir are a liar! You make a baseless statement and expect all to take it as fact. Again, you are nothing more than a disgusting filthy liar! You should be both embarrassed and ashamed of yourself!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whenever fca loses it is an excuse. They were missing 3 kids only. Tomahawks beat theme. Just once admit you can lose to a good team fca. Unbelievable how you make excuses.


Yep, NHT beat FCA this fall on a day when we were missing kids due to football (for the record it was more than 3) and the rest of our kids played horribly. You deserved to win that game but we can't until the summer. See you on the sidelines!


In other words FCA was missing most or all of their holdbacks. Do I have that right? I believe I do. I believe that is what you are trying to say, but don't have the courage to say it. FCA is quickly catching up to Crabs as the king/leader in holdbacks. So much for a Christian attitude, it really doesn't belong in your name. The C in FCA would be better at Cheating than Christian.


Nothing un-Christian about admitting defeat and inviting competition. As Proverbs 27:17 says, "as iron sharpens iron so one person sharpens another." Game on!


Sorry, but the un Christian comes from FCA following Crabs lead and gaming the system and seeking holdbacks for their teams, like their 2020 blue. I realize all teams have a few holdbacks but FCA is now making this part of their business model, just like Crabs.
So you can quote all the proverbs you want, doesn't change the new image of FCA and the disrespect it is now getting. Don't hide behind religion, it's not very becoming.


I am a parent of an FCA player. You may compare FCA and Crabs, but to me, the clubs are very different. You mention a business model. Crabs are "for profit" & FCA is "not for profit". The fees paid for FCA go directly to fund club activities. My son plays for FCA (and has for some time) because of what FCA provides that is different from other clubs. They have a competitive team, playing (in our opinion) the right amount of games. They give players opportunities to grow mentally, physically & spiritually. Weekend retreats, weekly HS bible studies (the "C" in FCA), community service projects, recruiting seminars, and mentoring are all part of the experience. Does the 2020 Blue team have hold backs? yes, a few, but not as many as you think. Do they have players with late summer birthdays that attended pre-first or delayed kindergarten? yes, a few, but many of these boys have played on older teams most of time.

You can compare the two clubs if all of the above happen. I am not sure it does though
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whenever fca loses it is an excuse. They were missing 3 kids only. Tomahawks beat theme. Just once admit you can lose to a good team fca. Unbelievable how you make excuses.


Yep, NHT beat FCA this fall on a day when we were missing kids due to football (for the record it was more than 3) and the rest of our kids played horribly. You deserved to win that game but we can't until the summer. See you on the sidelines!


In other words FCA was missing most or all of their holdbacks. Do I have that right? I believe I do. I believe that is what you are trying to say, but don't have the courage to say it. FCA is quickly catching up to Crabs as the king/leader in holdbacks. So much for a Christian attitude, it really doesn't belong in your name. The C in FCA would be better at Cheating than Christian.


Nothing un-Christian about admitting defeat and inviting competition. As Proverbs 27:17 says, "as iron sharpens iron so one person sharpens another." Game on!


Sorry, but the un Christian comes from FCA following Crabs lead and gaming the system and seeking holdbacks for their teams, like their 2020 blue. I realize all teams have a few holdbacks but FCA is now making this part of their business model, just like Crabs.
So you can quote all the proverbs you want, doesn't change the new image of FCA and the disrespect it is now getting. Don't hide behind religion, it's not very becoming.


I am a parent of an FCA player. You may compare FCA and Crabs, but to me, the clubs are very different. You mention a business model. Crabs are "for profit" & FCA is "not for profit". The fees paid for FCA go directly to fund club activities. My son plays for FCA (and has for some time) because of what FCA provides that is different from other clubs. They have a competitive team, playing (in our opinion) the right amount of games. They give players opportunities to grow mentally, physically & spiritually. Weekend retreats, weekly HS bible studies (the "C" in FCA), community service projects, recruiting seminars, and mentoring are all part of the experience. Does the 2020 Blue team have hold backs? yes, a few, but not as many as you think. Do they have players with late summer birthdays that attended pre-first or delayed kindergarten? yes, a few, but many of these boys have played on older teams most of time.

You can compare the two clubs if all of the above happen. I am not sure it does though


Also, at this point, these players are freshman in high school. To continue to talk about hold backs now that all are competing against older players (for those trying to make their varsity squads) a few years older seems odd.
I am a parent of an FCA player. You may compare FCA and Crabs, but to me, the clubs are very different. You mention a business model. Crabs are "for profit" & FCA is "not for profit". The fees paid for FCA go directly to fund club activities. My son plays for FCA (and has for some time) because of what FCA provides that is different from other clubs. They have a competitive team, playing (in our opinion) the right amount of games. They give players opportunities to grow mentally, physically & spiritually. Weekend retreats, weekly HS bible studies (the "C" in FCA), community service projects, recruiting seminars, and mentoring are all part of the experience. Does the 2020 Blue team have hold backs? yes, a few, but not as many as you think. Do they have players with late summer birthdays that attended pre-first or delayed kindergarten? yes, a few, but many of these boys have played on older teams most of time.

You can compare the two clubs if all of the above happen. I am not sure it does though
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Your new lefty Attackman (Ohio State Commit) is a Jan 2001 birthday. That's closer to late summer 2000 than it is to late summer 2001. Right?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a parent of an FCA player. You may compare FCA and Crabs, but to me, the clubs are very different. You mention a business model. Crabs are "for profit" & FCA is "not for profit". The fees paid for FCA go directly to fund club activities. My son plays for FCA (and has for some time) because of what FCA provides that is different from other clubs. They have a competitive team, playing (in our opinion) the right amount of games. They give players opportunities to grow mentally, physically & spiritually. Weekend retreats, weekly HS bible studies (the "C" in FCA), community service projects, recruiting seminars, and mentoring are all part of the experience. Does the 2020 Blue team have hold backs? yes, a few, but not as many as you think. Do they have players with late summer birthdays that attended pre-first or delayed kindergarten? yes, a few, but many of these boys have played on older teams most of time.

You can compare the two clubs if all of the above happen. I am not sure it does though
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Your new lefty Attackman (Ohio State Commit) is a Jan 2001 birthday. That's closer to late summer 2000 than it is to late summer 2001. Right?


see the sentence before the late summer birthday sentence.

I am a parent of an FCA player. You may compare FCA and Crabs, but to me, the clubs are very different. You mention a business model. Crabs are "for profit" & FCA is "not for profit". The fees paid for FCA go directly to fund club activities. My son plays for FCA (and has for some time) because of what FCA provides that is different from other clubs. They have a competitive team, playing (in our opinion) the right amount of games. They give players opportunities to grow mentally, physically & spiritually. Weekend retreats, weekly HS bible studies (the "C" in FCA), community service projects, recruiting seminars, and mentoring are all part of the experience. Does the 2020 Blue team have hold backs? yes, a few, but not as many as you think. Do they have players with late summer birthdays that attended pre-first or delayed kindergarten? yes, a few, but many of these boys have played on older teams most of time.

You can compare the two clubs if all of the above happen. I am not sure it does though

Crabs Lacrosse is also a "not for profit" club. However, their tournaments, which are organized by none other than king crab himself, Ryan McClernan is a "for profit" and is run separate than the teams. He has made a bundle of money over the years on tournaments.
The business model referred to above is how Crabs seeks out holdbacks to bring into their organization/teams and it appears to many that FCA is taking this same path, for several of their teams.
Again, everyone realizes all clubs have a few holdbacks, but when you see a team making attempts to build a team of holdbacks, that takes on a different look and feel.
Not for profit vs for profit does not mean a darn thing. It's irrelevant to the discussion. It's all a business. Dont kid yourself. FCA MD is a feeder program to Calvert Hall. Calvert Hall is in the MIAA which sports programs (with the exception of St. Mary's/Spalding) are full of single and double holdback kids. Stop pretending that FCA is less dirty than Crabs because they only have a few holdbacks. They play the holdback game with the best of them.
Also, at this point, these players are freshman in high school. To continue to talk about hold backs now that all are competing against older players (for those trying to make their varsity squads) a few years older seems odd.
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Well, not really. Those trying to make their varsity squads are playing UP. No one has argued against that. We're talking about playing DOWN in age to have an advantage. It would be like Juniors and Seniors trying to play JV so they could be "the man." That would be a sad reflection on those players and the adults allowing them to do it.
a few hold backs give me a break . These kids drive themselves to the tnmts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You sir are a liar! You make a baseless statement and expect all to take it as fact. Again, you are nothing more than a disgusting filthy liar! You should be both embarrassed and ashamed of yourself!


Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never harm me! Now, that said, I am neither embarrassed or ashamed of myself, not in the least. How can I be when I speak nothing but the truth. Now should we do Mary had a little lamb??


Originally Posted by Anonymous
a few hold backs give me a break . These kids drive themselves to the tnmts.


you have no idea what you are talking about
What truth?? You present no facts and expect it to be taken as such! Expand upon what you are writing, facts, the truth must contain facts, you provide none, LIAR
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You sir are a liar! You make a baseless statement and expect all to take it as fact. Again, you are nothing more than a disgusting filthy liar! You should be both embarrassed and ashamed of yourself!


Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never harm me! Now, that said, I am neither embarrassed or ashamed of myself, not in the least. How can I be when I speak nothing but the truth. Now should we do Mary had a little lamb??


". . . I am neither embarrassed NOR ashamed . . . "
[quote=Anonymous]What truth?? You present no facts and expect it to be taken as such! Expand upon what you are writing, facts, the truth must contain facts, you provide none, LIAR [/quote] It's possible you touched a nerve !! 😂
Nerve, to talk about nerve when one lies ! Have you know shame sir?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You sir are a liar! You make a baseless statement and expect all to take it as fact. Again, you are nothing more than a disgusting filthy liar! You should be both embarrassed and ashamed of yourself!


Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never harm me! Now, that said, I am neither embarrassed or ashamed of myself, not in the least. How can I be when I speak nothing but the truth. Now should we do Mary had a little lamb??


". . . I am neither embarrassed NOR ashamed . . . "


That's what happens with auto fill.
[quote=Anonymous]What truth?? You present no facts and expect it to be taken as such! Expand upon what you are writing, facts, the truth must contain facts, you provide none, LIAR

Before you go calling people a liar, why don't you release the roster of FCA 2020's, with the date of birth for each player. Then we can all see just how many holdbacks FCA has. According to you there are just a few. Now that is a damn down right lie. YOU are the one making these claims of only a few, so prove it. If you can't or won't then we would have to assume you are the LIAR.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
a few hold backs give me a break . These kids drive themselves to the tnmts.


Ok-that was just stupid and is TOTALLY UNTRUE!
And let's review since we haven't done so this week....lacrosse is a grade based system. If a new kid who repeated a grade two years ago shows up for your tryout, would you tell him that he can't even though he's entering the same grade as the other kids on the field?
And if you're not from The Baltimore area, you probably don't fully understand the pre-first phenomenon that makes many kids older for a current grade. Pre-first decisions are not made to gain an athletic advantage; they're made to gain academic ground and psychological maturity. Every single school and every single club team (even the not-so-competitive ones) in the Baltimore area has some of these kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
a few hold backs give me a break . These kids drive themselves to the tnmts.


Ok-that was just stupid and is TOTALLY UNTRUE!
And let's review since we haven't done so this week....lacrosse is a grade based system. If a new kid who repeated a grade two years ago shows up for your tryout, would you tell him that he can't even though he's entering the same grade as the other kids on the field?
And if you're not from The Baltimore area, you probably don't fully understand the pre-first phenomenon that makes many kids older for a current grade. Pre-first decisions are not made to gain an athletic advantage; they're made to gain academic ground and psychological maturity. Every single school and every single club team (even the not-so-competitive ones) in the Baltimore area has some of these kids.


Not every school in the Baltimore area-only the private schools who believe they can keep manipulating things to fit with their agendas. some pre firsts are indeed done in the hopes of athletic advantage and then you have the middle school holdbacks which all also claim to be for academic reasons. They make the true on age kids at privates and the public school kids appear to be painted with the same brush which is far from accurate. FCA now has one of the oldest 2020s in the country and several one year older kids.
Would a hold back also be considered if you hold your son back if his b-day is in mid November and the cut off for school is December 1st and you hold him back for 1st grade ??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?


A bunch of Ivies coming. Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Penn getting ready

committing to an IVY in 9th grade, how do they even know they'll get in? What will the test scores need to be? Isn't it a big risk that your kid might not get a 30+ on the ACT or score super high on the SAT? How do they make it work?
You FCA families are so brainwashed by your preachers that's it's ok to cheat. You guys just Keep justifying that's it's ok for one of you FCA kids born Jan 2000 can play against a kid born in 2002 beat the crap out of the kids 2 years younger and take the D1 commitment while doing it.

There is a BIG Physical difference from 14 to 16yrs of age .
AND YES at 16 you start driving and yes they were driving to the tnmt.


MD folks, can't you all just get along?
Originally Posted by Anonymous

MD folks, can't you all just get along?


Apparently not. There are clearly some rage-filled folks that dont have their facts straight and resort to beating others up verbally.
There are no FCA 2020's who drive themselves anywhere. My son is on the team and I know this for a fact.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
a few hold backs give me a break . These kids drive themselves to the tnmts.


Ok-that was just stupid and is TOTALLY UNTRUE!
And let's review since we haven't done so this week....lacrosse is a grade based system. If a new kid who repeated a grade two years ago shows up for your tryout, would you tell him that he can't even though he's entering the same grade as the other kids on the field?
And if you're not from The Baltimore area, you probably don't fully understand the pre-first phenomenon that makes many kids older for a current grade. Pre-first decisions are not made to gain an athletic advantage; they're made to gain academic ground and psychological maturity. Every single school and every single club team (even the not-so-competitive ones) in the Baltimore area has some of these kids.


"And if you're not from The Baltimore area, you probably don't fully understand the pre-first phenomenon that makes many kids older for a current grade." What is unique about the the Baltimore area that makes pre-school kids not ready for school, either academically or socially?? Are you suggesting they somehow are different than kids from other areas in this regard? Are their schools more advanced, IE, more difficult? Unless the answer to the second question is yes (LOL!), then all of the other likely reasons are damning in some way to the kids and/or the parents, and also suggest that while athletics might not be the overt answer, it has become ingrained in the locality as the thing to do "just in case" Johnny shows potential on the lax field if and when he plays . . .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?


A bunch of Ivies coming. Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Penn getting ready

committing to an IVY in 9th grade, how do they even know they'll get in? What will the test scores need to be? Isn't it a big risk that your kid might not get a 30+ on the ACT or score super high on the SAT? How do they make it work?

This will require a lot of "projecting" based on first quarter grades, and scores from standardized tests (SSAT that predicts SAT/ACT score), and then compute an AI range. Very loosey goosey at this point. A kid could commit and be in love with an Ivy only to not make the admissions cut, and is then left scrambling. Ivies make big lists, then start scratching kids off when data becomes available to gauge their AI. Gotta hand it to kids who commit to Ivies early and deliver on the grades and test scores.
Look at commits from previous years and then check the rosters.
Beware Dartmouth and Cornell verbals... 50% chance both gone by then, 100% chance at least one of them gone by then.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Beware Dartmouth and Cornell verbals... 50% chance both gone by then, 100% chance at least one of them gone by then.



Are you referring to the coaches being gone?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look at commits from previous years and then check the rosters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look at commits from previous years and then check the rosters.
Checked the Brown 2016 commits against the roster and all are there, so they all tracked through admissions. Maybe Ty reconciled the list?Would be more interesting knowing what year of high school each made their verbals to gauge how much academic data was available to work with.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look at commits from previous years and then check the rosters.
For Cornell, looks like 2 did not make it to the roster. Notusre if it was admissions or they did not want to play. Cornell did add 3 or 4 others to the roster not listed on RR.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look at commits from previous years and then check the rosters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look at commits from previous years and then check the rosters.
Checked the Brown 2016 commits against the roster and all are there, so they all tracked through admissions. Maybe Ty reconciled the list?Would be more interesting knowing what year of high school each made their verbals to gauge how much academic data was available to work with.
How much leeway in the admissions? I mean under normal circumstances a good student has about a 90+ average and about a 27 ACT, etc, not enough for ivys.....Is there a sliding scale or a little bit of give for those at that threshold, normally you'd be looking at much higher GPAs and test scores, but to be competitive don't you have to have some flexibility???
My son attended the UVA prospect day this past Sun. It was well run and as expected Coach Tiffany said that he is not going to give verbals to 2020's. In fact he said that most of his recruiting will be done in the Jr year. Very refreshing to hear his recruiting views. Also got a surprising email from the UVA staff on Mon. In the email they mention thst you purchase video from them of all 4 of your sons games for $20. That is anywhere from 1/10 to 1/15 of the cost of the commercial video companies that usually film prospect days and tourneys. Cheers to UVA for doing the right thing and not being greedy, unlike their ACC breathen UNC and Duke. The latter two hire a commercial video company just to make another buck off of us.
Tiffany is the real deal. Nice to see someone at a high level doing it like it should be done.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look at commits from previous years and then check the rosters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look at commits from previous years and then check the rosters.
Checked the Brown 2016 commits against the roster and all are there, so they all tracked through admissions. Maybe Ty reconciled the list?Would be more interesting knowing what year of high school each made their verbals to gauge how much academic data was available to work with.
How much leeway in the admissions? I mean under normal circumstances a good student has about a 90+ average and about a 27 ACT, etc, not enough for ivys.....Is there a sliding scale or a little bit of give for those at that threshold, normally you'd be looking at much higher GPAs and test scores, but to be competitive don't you have to have some flexibility???


Not sure of the specifics but the Ivies have to meet an Academic Index for each recruiting class. Some sort of avg of test scores and grades for each class. In other words an Ivy can't fill up a class with kids that barely meet their standards. So I would assume that they reserve the admissions assistance to the very best players. If you're not a top recruit than you better have scores and grades that will get you in w/o much help
[quote=Anonymous]My son attended the UVA prospect day this past Sun. It was well run and as expected Coach Tiffany said that he is not going to give verbals to 2020's. In fact he said that most of his recruiting will be done in the Jr year. Very refreshing to hear his recruiting views. Also got a surprising email from the UVA staff on Mon. In the email they mention thst you purchase video from them of all 4 of your sons games for $20. That is anywhere from 1/10 to 1/15 of the cost of the commercial video companies that usually film prospect days and tourneys. Cheers to UVA for doing the right thing and not being greedy, unlike their ACC breathen UNC and Duke. The latter two hire a commercial video company just to make another buck off of us.

And then beat UVA like a drum, both of them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]My son attended the UVA prospect day this past Sun. It was well run and as expected Coach Tiffany said that he is not going to give verbals to 2020's. In fact he said that most of his recruiting will be done in the Jr year. Very refreshing to hear his recruiting views. Also got a surprising email from the UVA staff on Mon. In the email they mention thst you purchase video from them of all 4 of your sons games for $20. That is anywhere from 1/10 to 1/15 of the cost of the commercial video companies that usually film prospect days and tourneys. Cheers to UVA for doing the right thing and not being greedy, unlike their ACC breathen UNC and Duke. The latter two hire a commercial video company just to make another buck off of us.

And then beat UVA like a drum, both of them.


Dom use to say the same thing! Yet there he was watching 9th graders and offering verbals. Lars will too, you'll see. He just keep them under wraps, like the old days.
Tiffany will turn UVA around in a hurry. UVA has athletes, but has run a slow-it-down, substitute-in-transition style, which then resulted in alley dodges and unassisted shots from middies. Seriously, almost no UVA goals we ever assisted. Just ugly middie dodge-ball.

With Tiffany's up-tempo, one-more style of play, UVA is going to put up lots of points. Goalie is their big question mark. Expect UVA to compete very well with UNC and beat Duke.
How good is the fl$ Premier Showcase? Is it a worthy recruiting event?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm
As much as I'm hater on this site regarding the 'abuse' by holdbacks of the grade based system in lacrosse, which I also think is ruining the youth game, this statement about D1 schools is absolutely true. Look at any 40 man roster of the big lacrosse schools our kids are striving for, and maybe only 4 or 5 are from public schools. The rest are prep school kids, who the majority are older and re-classifieds. It is the new norm. Like it, or not.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm
As much as I'm hater on this site regarding the 'abuse' by holdbacks of the grade based system in lacrosse, which I also think is ruining the youth game, this statement about D1 schools is absolutely true. Look at any 40 man roster of the big lacrosse schools our kids are striving for, and maybe only 4 or 5 are from public schools. The rest are prep school kids, who the majority are older and re-classifieds. It is the new norm. Like it, or not.


Several of the early commits attended public schools for 8 years and drank the kool aid that they had to attend private and did not repeat to do so.. Some had never set foot in their new private school prior to committing this past summer. They would not have had to dish out 25k year which some families are struggling to keep up with payments to end up at a school like Penn- Great school but they could have attended anyhow if they concentrated on grades and saved a lot of money and commuting time in the process. Several are also penn residents and were already going to receive in state tuition.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm
On the current roster or committed roster? Please clarify
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm


looked at PSU roster. first one is soph from PA born april 97. Normal age for soph. Not going beyond that for research but your post is a generalization that doesn't mean much.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm
On the current roster or committed roster? Please clarify


Current. Seems like quite an accomplishment to be recruited on age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm
On the current roster or committed roster? Please clarify


Current. Seems like quite an accomplishment to be recruited on age
both freedom kids are on age that went early
For now. May be encouraged to do a PG year.
Another year, another new disappointment with the results of the Brine tryout. When oh when will I ever learn????
Don't be disappointed teams already picked before you got there..Plenty of stuff ahead of you...
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Another year, another new disappointment with the results of the Brine tryout. When oh when will I ever learn????
That would be nice to know beforehand. Could have saved some money.
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That would be nice to know beforehand. Could have saved some money.


Can't expect to have many 2020 kids on a three grade combined team. The 2020 boys that did make it are solid players. Try again next year. Quite a few boys from last years Championship team did not return so not sure how it was picked beforehand.
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Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm


looked at PSU roster. first one is soph from PA born april 97. Normal age for soph. Not going beyond that for research but your post is a generalization that doesn't mean much.


HS True 2021 – 2003 birth year
HS True 2020 – 2002 birth year
HS True 2019 – 2001 birth year
HS True 2018 – 2000 birth year
HS True 2017 – 1999 birth year
HS True 2016 – 1998 birth year (most recent grads, incoming coming college freshmen)

Now, if you go an look at the Syracuse roster, you will see some freshmen and RF's with '95, '96, '97 birthdates.

1995! Really? Culver Academy and Avon Old Farms? 20-21 Year old freshman! Oh, and there's an IMG Academy grad (born in canada) without bio...who knows when he was born. Someone please tell me RF is not 'redshirt freshman' and I did a wrong stat.

2016-17 Syracuse Freshman Stats:

2-3 '95s
5 '96s
3 '97s
10 '98s
0 '99s or single year holdback or reclass
0 '98s or True Grad for incoming freshman

That's the state of the sport folks! 2-5 yrs offset. The single year holdback or 'reclass' as some like to call it is history.

Get good grades and enjoy life!
Many school systems in the U.S. have a 9/1 cutoff date. So your example oversimplifies "True" graduation year dates.

Statistically, we should see up to 1/3 of players in a graduation year with a date the year earlier than you're putting forth. E.g., a third of players in 2020 would be born in 2001 (born in the 4 months between September 1, 2001-December 31, 2001), and two-thirds in 2002 (born in the 8 months between Jan 1, 2002-August 31, 2002.)

Of course, on teams like the 2020 Crabs, you see more like 80% born in 2001. That's called gaming the system.
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Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm


looked at PSU roster. first one is soph from PA born april 97. Normal age for soph. Not going beyond that for research but your post is a generalization that doesn't mean much.


HS True 2021 – 2003 birth year
HS True 2020 – 2002 birth year
HS True 2019 – 2001 birth year
HS True 2018 – 2000 birth year
HS True 2017 – 1999 birth year
HS True 2016 – 1998 birth year (most recent grads, incoming coming college freshmen)

Now, if you go an look at the Syracuse roster, you will see some freshmen and RF's with '95, '96, '97 birthdates.

1995! Really? Culver Academy and Avon Old Farms? 20-21 Year old freshman! Oh, and there's an IMG Academy grad (born in canada) without bio...who knows when he was born. Someone please tell me RF is not 'redshirt freshman' and I did a wrong stat.

2016-17 Syracuse Freshman Stats:

2-3 '95s
5 '96s
3 '97s
10 '98s
0 '99s or single year holdback or reclass
0 '98s or True Grad for incoming freshman

That's the state of the sport folks! 2-5 yrs offset. The single year holdback or 'reclass' as some like to call it is history.

Get good grades and enjoy life!


You cannot use a calendar year to indicate on grade - most school systems have cutoff dates anywhere from Sep to Dec. My son has Dec 2002 DOB and is appropriately an on age 2021. Otherwise, I agree that the holdback/reclass trend is rediculous.
Can you imagine sending your kid to Avon, reclassing him to play lacrosse and he winds up with degree from Syracuse. Epic fail!
You guys have an FCA 2020 commit going to UNC born Jan 2000.
that's fair right.
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You guys have an FCA 2020 commit going to UNC born Jan 2000.
that's fair right.
January 2000? No way. can't be thats like 20-23 months older than a Fall birthday kid
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You guys have an FCA 2020 commit going to UNC born Jan 2000.
that's fair right.


So ridiculous if true. My 2018 son was born in May 2000! It's one thing when you have kids who are close to the cutoff who start Kindergarten a year late, but kids being held back with this kind of age difference is shameful unless there is a truly an academic reason.
Congratulations! you figured it out. If you want to play High Level D1 you will graduate college at age 23-24. This is fact look at the rosters. If you are 21 and graduating top D1 you are
1 in a million type player.
its just the way it is.
Exactly - that's a 2018/17U per USL (http://www.uslacrosse.org/players/player-segmentation) Doesn't mean FCA doesn't have a kid with that DOB on thire 2018, but if they enforced the USL age guidelines, he would be a 2018!
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Congratulations! you figured it out. If you want to play High Level D1 you will graduate college at age 23-24. This is fact look at the rosters. If you are 21 and graduating top D1 you are
1 in a million type player.
its just the way it is.


and even those players will redshirt a year. So no player will ever graduate college at age 21.
If you are referring to the 2020 FCA kid that is committed to UNC and used to play for the Crabs, his birth date is 04/01. He is a one year holdback, not a double holdback!
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You guys have an FCA 2020 commit going to UNC born Jan 2000.
that's fair right.




Please tell me that is a mistake. My son is born October 2000 and is a junior.
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Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm


looked at PSU roster. first one is soph from PA born april 97. Normal age for soph. Not going beyond that for research but your post is a generalization that doesn't mean much.


HS True 2021 – 2003 birth year
HS True 2020 – 2002 birth year
HS True 2019 – 2001 birth year
HS True 2018 – 2000 birth year
HS True 2017 – 1999 birth year
HS True 2016 – 1998 birth year (most recent grads, incoming coming college freshmen)

Now, if you go an look at the Syracuse roster, you will see some freshmen and RF's with '95, '96, '97 birthdates.

1995! Really? Culver Academy and Avon Old Farms? 20-21 Year old freshman! Oh, and there's an IMG Academy grad (born in canada) without bio...who knows when he was born. Someone please tell me RF is not 'redshirt freshman' and I did a wrong stat.

2016-17 Syracuse Freshman Stats:

2-3 '95s
5 '96s
3 '97s
10 '98s
0 '99s or single year holdback or reclass
0 '98s or True Grad for incoming freshman

That's the state of the sport folks! 2-5 yrs offset. The single year holdback or 'reclass' as some like to call it is history.

Get good grades and enjoy life!


You cannot use a calendar year to indicate on grade - most school systems have cutoff dates anywhere from Sep to Dec. My son has Dec 2002 DOB and is appropriately an on age 2021. Otherwise, I agree that the holdback/reclass trend is rediculous.


Sure you could, you're that good play up. You can go year, but you late 4th qtr babies would whine. Challenge your kids
No mistake at all .. Right FCA mom who is in denial that FCA doesn't cheat. The Christian fellowship assess the kids maturity level every year and if they feel they aren't mature enough they hold them back.
Crabs fielded a kid born 3/2000 on their 2020 team. He was 16 and playing against 13 year olds in HOCO. I can only imagine how my on age sons would dominate kids that are 2 years younger. What a joke.
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Ty drops new commit for 20s. D to Penn State. Flood gates opening for Fall Ball? Things drying up?
Another Penn State commit from the Rising Sons


The only Penn State players on the roster not reclassed are from LI, 20 yr old Freshman? 24 years old and still in college? Seems like this is the D1 norm


To put things in perspective: My wife was young for her grade. Graduated a tough nursing program, and was responsible for the lives of 5 premature babies, for a twelve hour shift, at one the nations best Hospitals, at the age of 21!!!! These kids are still running around after a little white ball at age 24-25 and still in college? No wonder this country is a mess!
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No mistake at all .. Right FCA mom who is in denial that FCA doesn't cheat. The Christian fellowship assess the kids maturity level every year and if they feel they aren't mature enough they hold them back.


So why don't you tell us what your real issue is with FCA? All of the things that you're saying apply across the board to every single club team in town....like I said before....even the not so competitive teams have hold backs or kids that attended prefirst. And you're even resorting to saying a ton of stuff that isn't even true.
just know that you guys have the worst reputation for cheating amongst all the clubs.
FCA and Crabs are the poster children for going age based. Both organizations should be ashamed of themselves. Of course, the Crabs have no shame...so that is not possible....
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You guys have an FCA 2020 commit going to UNC born Jan 2000.
that's fair right.


So ridiculous if true. My 2018 son was born in May 2000! It's one thing when you have kids who are close to the cutoff who start Kindergarten a year late, but kids being held back with this kind of age difference is shameful unless there is a truly an academic reason.


If academic reason not going to UNC. My 2018 born November 2000!
When are you people going to stop crying about holdbacks? It is what it is, US Lacrosse has given the message that they will not fixing this anytime soon, which is why I stopped renewing my childrens memberships (yes you can still register for tounaments using your old number). ALL the clubs condone and encourage holdbacks. You are fighting a loosing battle. You should put your energy into getting your kid recruited. Plenty of on age kids have college commitments, including my own.
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When are you people going to stop crying about holdbacks? It is what it is, US Lacrosse has given the message that they will not fixing this anytime soon, which is why I stopped renewing my childrens memberships (yes you can still register for tounaments using your old number). ALL the clubs condone and encourage holdbacks. You are fighting a loosing battle. You should put your energy into getting your kid recruited. Plenty of on age kids have college commitments, including my own.
I'm sorry, but until lacrosse goes to an aged based system, like most other sports I'm not going to stop 'crying' about what 8th/9th grade holdbacks are doing to the game. Now, if the only reason the youth game of lacrosse exists is for college recruitment, then yes whatever means possible, get recruited. Having played in HS 40 years ago and to see the current direction, where my own son, who has strong stick skills, but is undersized and quite frankly can't compete with kids 1-2 years older, has decided he'd rather no longer play summer lacrosse.( Just turned 14) So yeah, I'm going to cry about what a grade based system is doing to the game, by encouraging kids (the parents really) to play down for early recruitment versus every other sport where kids play up to be noticed.
To the poster above who said we should stop crying about holdbacks and worry about getting our sons recruited - some thoughts for you:

The issue of reclassification is bigger than your son or my son getting recruited. The uneven playing field that is created in youth lacrosse by not being age based is damaging the integrity of the game. Having 16 year old 8th graders play against pre-pubescent 13 year olds does nothing but help keep this sport in the category of a rich kid's hobby. It needs to be changed and US Lacrosse has provided the guidelines on how they are going to address it. We will see what happens.

It's great that your son has a verbal commitment. I mean that sincerely. It's a real accomplishment in this crazy new world - particularly if he is on age. Please understand that until he signs his letter of intent it is meaningless. Your kid has a slot reserved for him on a team 4 years from now. Injury, social media mistakes, academics, coaching changes all can burn the dream down in a hurry. DONT count your chickens.

I have 4 kids - 1 played D1 lacrosse, another played D3. One has a National Championship ring. The other two are under 10 and play for competitive club teams. Youth lacrosse now is a shadow of itself and it is largely because of early recruiting and reclassification run amok.

Well said
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To the poster above who said we should stop crying about holdbacks and worry about getting our sons recruited - some thoughts for you:

The issue of reclassification is bigger than your son or my son getting recruited. The uneven playing field that is created in youth lacrosse by not being age based is damaging the integrity of the game. Having 16 year old 8th graders play against pre-pubescent 13 year olds does nothing but help keep this sport in the category of a rich kid's hobby. It needs to be changed and US Lacrosse has provided the guidelines on how they are going to address it. We will see what happens.

It's great that your son has a verbal commitment. I mean that sincerely. It's a real accomplishment in this crazy new world - particularly if he is on age. Please understand that until he signs his letter of intent it is meaningless. Your kid has a slot reserved for him on a team 4 years from now. Injury, social media mistakes, academics, coaching changes all can burn the dream down in a hurry. DONT count your chickens.

I have 4 kids - 1 played D1 lacrosse, another played D3. One has a National Championship ring. The other two are under 10 and play for competitive club teams. Youth lacrosse now is a shadow of itself and it is largely because of early recruiting and reclassification run amok.




I do agree with you, and I "cried " about this for two years before I realized I was wasting my time. My son struggled against the more mature players a bit, but is starting to even out now. Throughout last summer and this fall, the tide began to turn back in his favor, coaches noticed, and he received several offers. I have one in a very good D1 program now, who also committed early, so I know how it works. Verbals are not broken by schools, they are broken by players. Lastly, don't count on US Lacrosse doing anything about this that is meangful. They are useless. It's a shame what's happened, but it is what it is.
For the incredibly happy families of the 60+ 2020 "early commits" the sport of Lacrosse and every aspect of it couldn't be better! Find some other place to spew your negativity. Cheers.
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For the incredibly happy families of the 60+ 2020 "early commits" the sport of Lacrosse and every aspect of it couldn't be better! Find some other place to spew your negativity. Cheers.
Early recruiting sucks unless your kid is one of them. Bottom line. I'm around a bunch of friends whose kids are not and trust me their pulling their hair out. Most of them will find a place its just convincing dad, mom and kid to be patient while these 60+ kids are off the board. Its hard, lots of pressure on the 2020 class right now.
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[quote=Anonymous]For the incredibly happy families of the 60+ 2020 "early commits" the sport of Lacrosse and every aspect of it couldn't be better! Find some other place to spew your negativity. Cheers.
Early recruiting sucks unless your kid is one of them. Bottom line. I'm around a bunch of friends whose kids are not and trust me their pulling their hair out. Most of them will find a place its just convincing dad, mom and kid to be patient while these 60+ kids are off the board. Its hard, lots of pressure on the 2020 class right now.

I think you can understand the anxiety involved. Agree with the previous 2 posts. Its natural to want it now, and to be less than cordial to those that have it. Kudos to those 60+. To the negativity crowd, channel it in the proper direction.
Who exactly is the negative crowd? The crowd that is pointing out the painfully obvious damage to youth lacrosse caused by reclassing, early recruiting, etc? Truth hurts.
[quote=Anonymous]Who exactly is the negative crowd? The crowd that is pointing out the painfully obvious damage to youth lacrosse caused by reclassing, early recruiting, etc? Truth hurts.

What's painfully obvious is your transparently negative for a reason. Sad, but very common for this sport at this level.
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Who exactly is the negative crowd? The crowd that is pointing out the painfully obvious damage to youth lacrosse caused by reclassing, early recruiting, etc? Truth hurts.
I'm not sure how many of the early 2020's are reclassed?
You sir are the ring leader of the whiny, frustrated, bitter and negative crowd. I was about to commend the two previous post and you came crawling out from beneath your Troll rock. Let me reiterate. There are 60+ 2020 families who couldn't be happier this Holiday season with the current state of youth Lacrosse. It has served them well. Opportunities abound!! I hope you don't drag your son down with all your negativity. He actually might have a shot at the next level if he stops listening to you.
You sir are the ring leader of the whiny, frustrated, bitter and negative crowd. I was about to commend the two previous post and you came crawling out from beneath your Troll rock. Let me reiterate. There are 60+ 2020 families who couldn't be happier this Holiday season with the current state of youth Lacrosse. It has served them well. Opportunities abound!! I hope you don't drag your son down with all your negativity. He actually might have a shot at the next level if he stops listening to you.
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For the incredibly happy families of the 60+ 2020 "early commits" the sport of Lacrosse and every aspect of it couldn't be better! Find some other place to spew your negativity. Cheers.


And there we have the usual attitude of most of the early committed crowd of which many- not all - are holdbacks. This will all catch up and even out over the next 3 years as many of those who peaked early are surpassed and replaced on these lists by kids whose grades are just as good as their stick skills and were just late bloomers or on age players. Plenty of room and plenty of movement will still take place with the best players whether early commits or not, ending up in the best slots. A school is not going to turn down the best players because they verbally committed a 9th grader that peaked in the 8th or 9th grade. No worries the uncommitted kids are actually in the better position - all upside potential.
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[quote=Anonymous]For the incredibly happy families of the 60+ 2020 "early commits" the sport of Lacrosse and every aspect of it couldn't be better! Find some other place to spew your negativity. Cheers.


And there we have the usual attitude of most of the early committed crowd of which many- not all - are holdbacks. This will all catch up and even out over the next 3 years as many of those who peaked early are surpassed and replaced on these lists by kids whose grades are just as good as their stick skills and were just late bloomers or on age players. Plenty of room and plenty of movement will still take place with the best players whether early commits or not, ending up in the best slots. A school is not going to turn down the best players because they verbally committed a 9th grader that peaked in the 8th or 9th grade. No worries the uncommitted kids are actually in the better position - all upside potential.

That's RICH
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[quote=Anonymous]For the incredibly happy families of the 60+ 2020 "early commits" the sport of Lacrosse and every aspect of it couldn't be better! Find some other place to spew your negativity. Cheers.


And there we have the usual attitude of most of the early committed crowd of which many- not all - are holdbacks. This will all catch up and even out over the next 3 years as many of those who peaked early are surpassed and replaced on these lists by kids whose grades are just as good as their stick skills and were just late bloomers or on age players. Plenty of room and plenty of movement will still take place with the best players whether early commits or not, ending up in the best slots. A school is not going to turn down the best players because they verbally committed a 9th grader that peaked in the 8th or 9th grade. No worries the uncommitted kids are actually in the better position - all upside potential.

That's RICH


You probably shouldn't be so quick to assume that all early commits are knitwhits and make crummy grades. My son is an early commit and takes grades more seriously than anything. He studies very hard and makes straight A's in honors classes. His lacrosse skills and fitness are a close second and he works extremely hard at both. He absolutely earned his early commitment spot after years of being the youngest, smallest kid on ALL of his youth lax teams. So enough about being forced to compete with kids who may be older or bigger. Kids in that position should take it as an opportunity to push themselves because that's exactly what it is when you're younger and smaller. In fact, a younger, smaller kid who is hungry and willing to work hard has much more of an opportunity to improve than the older, bigger kids.
Folks I can tell you first hand what it feels like to be a late bloomer and being passed over for size at this age. 9th and 10th grade so many boys grew and became men and I still was a boy. Coaches will always tell me if i only had size. They knew i had better skill and had the determination but lack of the puberty thing did hurt. I was 5'5" 125lbs. Going up against the bigger physically mature kids was a major challenge. Most of these boys stop growing at this time. I knew i had to start lifting and come into my own. By my senior year was only 5"7" 155 but was gaining confidence. So all the spots were taking by colleges, and i still wasnt getting looks. When i graduated i lifted hard started filling out and then surpassed many guys. Walked on a div 1 school the next year as a sophmore 5'9" 185 and was killing people. And became a starter and did many great things on the field. Tell your boys do not give up. But unfortunately for this sport the early bloomer gets the worm. I dont like to see kids fail but many late bloomers will be surpassed. My 2019 is just like me and it sucks. But i tell him to keep working hit the gym and good things will come with hard work. Good luck to all hope this helps someone.
Does anyone have information on Maverik Showtime I see by the webpage it says soldout. Have invites already been sent out for 2017. Thanks for any help here
Invites went out in September.
Maverick conflicts with Crab Feast for 2020s/19s. As much as I hate to say it - Fat Crab puts on a [lacrosse] of a tournament. More College coaches in one place than any tournament I have ever seen.
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Maverick conflicts with Crab Feast for 2020s/19s. As much as I hate to say it - Fat Crab puts on a [lacrosse] of a tournament. More College coaches in one place than any tournament I have ever seen.


Maverick also has a ton of college coaches at all of their events. There will be coaches from the same colleges at both events, maybe not the head coach at both, but all the major colleges will have someone at both.
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Maverick conflicts with Crab Feast for 2020s/19s. As much as I hate to say it - Fat Crab puts on a [lacrosse] of a tournament. More College coaches in one place than any tournament I have ever seen.
that would have been my next question what are kids doing that are supposed to play at Crabfeast. Do they show up at maverik sunday night? And agree with u on Ryan, the NLF event at Boys Latin was our teams best event this Fall by far
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For the incredibly happy families of the 60+ 2020 "early commits" the sport of Lacrosse and every aspect of it couldn't be better! Find some other place to spew your negativity. Cheers.


Actually, I know a few of the families of these commits and I can tell you, they are not happy about it either. They feel like their kid was forced to make a decision earlier than they would have liked. Did they do it, yes because they felt pressure, not because they think it is in the best interest of their son. There is 4 years between now and their freshman year in college and they realize that a lot can happen between now and then. I hope that every family that is "thrilled" now stays that way, but I can tell you, that won't be the case. And, the families that realize just how much pressure is now on their kid, really aren't that thrilled...
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For the incredibly happy families of the 60+ 2020 "early commits" the sport of Lacrosse and every aspect of it couldn't be better! Find some other place to spew your negativity. Cheers.


Nobody is happy with "every aspect" of the game right now. The early recruit parents I have talked to have been unhappy with the process. Yes, they are happy their son has a place, but they all still question if it will be the place in the end. Pressuring 14 yr old boys (if on age) to decide their futures is not a good aspect of lacrosse at present.

Despite your attempt to speak for all the early recruits, I would guess you really only speak for yourself. To you I say congratulations for your son's achievement. I hope it works out for him. But the journey is not over. He will always feel the pressure to justify his early commitment. I hope he continues to work hard and gets the grades needed.

Cheers to all this Holiday Season.



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[quote=Anonymous]For the incredibly happy families of the 60+ 2020 "early commits" the sport of Lacrosse and every aspect of it couldn't be better! Find some other place to spew your negativity. Cheers.


And there we have the usual attitude of most of the early committed crowd of which many- not all - are holdbacks. This will all catch up and even out over the next 3 years as many of those who peaked early are surpassed and replaced on these lists by kids whose grades are just as good as their stick skills and were just late bloomers or on age players. Plenty of room and plenty of movement will still take place with the best players whether early commits or not, ending up in the best slots. A school is not going to turn down the best players because they verbally committed a 9th grader that peaked in the 8th or 9th grade. No worries the uncommitted kids are actually in the better position - all upside potential.

That's RICH


You probably shouldn't be so quick to assume that all early commits are knitwhits and make crummy grades. My son is an early commit and takes grades more seriously than anything. He studies very hard and makes straight A's in honors classes. His lacrosse skills and fitness are a close second and he works extremely hard at both. He absolutely earned his early commitment spot after years of being the youngest, smallest kid on ALL of his youth lax teams. So enough about being forced to compete with kids who may be older or bigger. Kids in that position should take it as an opportunity to push themselves because that's exactly what it is when you're younger and smaller. In fact, a younger, smaller kid who is hungry and willing to work hard has much more of an opportunity to improve than the older, bigger kids.
My son went very early and he too does very well in school actually had ivy interest this Summer and passed on it for the school he wanted. Also on age and not a bigger faster stronger kid just a great player.
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Folks I can tell you first hand what it feels like to be a late bloomer and being passed over for size at this age. 9th and 10th grade so many boys grew and became men and I still was a boy. Coaches will always tell me if i only had size. They knew i had better skill and had the determination but lack of the puberty thing did hurt. I was 5'5" 125lbs. Going up against the bigger physically mature kids was a major challenge. Most of these boys stop growing at this time. I knew i had to start lifting and come into my own. By my senior year was only 5"7" 155 but was gaining confidence. So all the spots were taking by colleges, and i still wasnt getting looks. When i graduated i lifted hard started filling out and then surpassed many guys. Walked on a div 1 school the next year as a sophmore 5'9" 185 and was killing people. And became a starter and did many great things on the field. Tell your boys do not give up. But unfortunately for this sport the early bloomer gets the worm. I dont like to see kids fail but many late bloomers will be surpassed. My 2019 is just like me and it sucks. But i tell him to keep working hit the gym and good things will come with hard work. Good luck to all hope this helps someone.


Great post Rudy! What a phony.
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Folks I can tell you first hand what it feels like to be a late bloomer and being passed over for size at this age. 9th and 10th grade so many boys grew and became men and I still was a boy. Coaches will always tell me if i only had size. They knew i had better skill and had the determination but lack of the puberty thing did hurt. I was 5'5" 125lbs. Going up against the bigger physically mature kids was a major challenge. Most of these boys stop growing at this time. I knew i had to start lifting and come into my own. By my senior year was only 5"7" 155 but was gaining confidence. So all the spots were taking by colleges, and i still wasnt getting looks. When i graduated i lifted hard started filling out and then surpassed many guys. Walked on a div 1 school the next year as a sophmore 5'9" 185 and was killing people. And became a starter and did many great things on the field. Tell your boys do not give up. But unfortunately for this sport the early bloomer gets the worm. I dont like to see kids fail but many late bloomers will be surpassed. My 2019 is just like me and it sucks. But i tell him to keep working hit the gym and good things will come with hard work. Good luck to all hope this helps someone.


Great advice, what you say is true. Told my son the same. He is still small, but growing now. His size made him work harder. He has also been on several visits to top 30 schools and has 3 solid offers and will be deciding within the next couple weeks. Good luck to all the boys. Lots of opportunities for those who persevere through the craziness. I do laugh now thinking about all the posts claiming my shorter son would not be rercruited. Clearly people have no idea what they're talking about on here.
He's a phony? You're a tool!
There is an age cut off at MIAA schools, so kids can't play their senior year if they are too old.
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Folks I can tell you first hand what it feels like to be a late bloomer and being passed over for size at this age. 9th and 10th grade so many boys grew and became men and I still was a boy. Coaches will always tell me if i only had size. They knew i had better skill and had the determination but lack of the puberty thing did hurt. I was 5'5" 125lbs. Going up against the bigger physically mature kids was a major challenge. Most of these boys stop growing at this time. I knew i had to start lifting and come into my own. By my senior year was only 5"7" 155 but was gaining confidence. So all the spots were taking by colleges, and i still wasnt getting looks. When i graduated i lifted hard started filling out and then surpassed many guys. Walked on a div 1 school the next year as a sophmore 5'9" 185 and was killing people. And became a starter and did many great things on the field. Tell your boys do not give up. But unfortunately for this sport the early bloomer gets the worm. I dont like to see kids fail but many late bloomers will be surpassed. My 2019 is just like me and it sucks. But i tell him to keep working hit the gym and good things will come with hard work. Good luck to all hope this helps someone.


Great advice, what you say is true. Told my son the same. He is still small, but growing now. His size made him work harder. He has also been on several visits to top 30 schools and has 3 solid offers and will be deciding within the next couple weeks. Good luck to all the boys. Lots of opportunities for those who persevere through the craziness. I do laugh now thinking about all the posts claiming my shorter son would not be rercruited. Clearly people have no idea what they're talking about on here.


Bigger skilled kids will get more looks. Size does matter, and you know it!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He's a phony? You're a tool!


If you want to believe Rudy, go ahead.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Folks I can tell you first hand what it feels like to be a late bloomer and being passed over for size at this age. 9th and 10th grade so many boys grew and became men and I still was a boy. Coaches will always tell me if i only had size. They knew i had better skill and had the determination but lack of the puberty thing did hurt. I was 5'5" 125lbs. Going up against the bigger physically mature kids was a major challenge. Most of these boys stop growing at this time. I knew i had to start lifting and come into my own. By my senior year was only 5"7" 155 but was gaining confidence. So all the spots were taking by colleges, and i still wasnt getting looks. When i graduated i lifted hard started filling out and then surpassed many guys. Walked on a div 1 school the next year as a sophmore 5'9" 185 and was killing people. And became a starter and did many great things on the field. Tell your boys do not give up. But unfortunately for this sport the early bloomer gets the worm. I dont like to see kids fail but many late bloomers will be surpassed. My 2019 is just like me and it sucks. But i tell him to keep working hit the gym and good things will come with hard work. Good luck to all hope this helps someone.


Great advice, what you say is true. Told my son the same. He is still small, but growing now. His size made him work harder. He has also been on several visits to top 30 schools and has 3 solid offers and will be deciding within the next couple weeks. Good luck to all the boys. Lots of opportunities for those who persevere through the craziness. I do laugh now thinking about all the posts claiming my shorter son would not be rercruited. Clearly people have no idea what they're talking about on here.


Bigger skilled kids will get more looks. Size does matter, and you know it!


You missed the point.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Folks I can tell you first hand what it feels like to be a late bloomer and being passed over for size at this age. 9th and 10th grade so many boys grew and became men and I still was a boy. Coaches will always tell me if i only had size. They knew i had better skill and had the determination but lack of the puberty thing did hurt. I was 5'5" 125lbs. Going up against the bigger physically mature kids was a major challenge. Most of these boys stop growing at this time. I knew i had to start lifting and come into my own. By my senior year was only 5"7" 155 but was gaining confidence. So all the spots were taking by colleges, and i still wasnt getting looks. When i graduated i lifted hard started filling out and then surpassed many guys. Walked on a div 1 school the next year as a sophmore 5'9" 185 and was killing people. And became a starter and did many great things on the field. Tell your boys do not give up. But unfortunately for this sport the early bloomer gets the worm. I dont like to see kids fail but many late bloomers will be surpassed. My 2019 is just like me and it sucks. But i tell him to keep working hit the gym and good things will come with hard work. Good luck to all hope this helps someone.


Great advice, what you say is true. Told my son the same. He is still small, but growing now. His size made him work harder. He has also been on several visits to top 30 schools and has 3 solid offers and will be deciding within the next couple weeks. Good luck to all the boys. Lots of opportunities for those who persevere through the craziness. I do laugh now thinking about all the posts claiming my shorter son would not be rercruited. Clearly people have no idea what they're talking about on here.


Bigger skilled kids will get more looks. Size does matter, and you know it!


You missed the point.


Who posted about your son here?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Folks I can tell you first hand what it feels like to be a late bloomer and being passed over for size at this age. 9th and 10th grade so many boys grew and became men and I still was a boy. Coaches will always tell me if i only had size. They knew i had better skill and had the determination but lack of the puberty thing did hurt. I was 5'5" 125lbs. Going up against the bigger physically mature kids was a major challenge. Most of these boys stop growing at this time. I knew i had to start lifting and come into my own. By my senior year was only 5"7" 155 but was gaining confidence. So all the spots were taking by colleges, and i still wasnt getting looks. When i graduated i lifted hard started filling out and then surpassed many guys. Walked on a div 1 school the next year as a sophmore 5'9" 185 and was killing people. And became a starter and did many great things on the field. Tell your boys do not give up. But unfortunately for this sport the early bloomer gets the worm. I dont like to see kids fail but many late bloomers will be surpassed. My 2019 is just like me and it sucks. But i tell him to keep working hit the gym and good things will come with hard work. Good luck to all hope this helps someone.


Great advice, what you say is true. Told my son the same. He is still small, but growing now. His size made him work harder. He has also been on several visits to top 30 schools and has 3 solid offers and will be deciding within the next couple weeks. Good luck to all the boys. Lots of opportunities for those who persevere through the craziness. I do laugh now thinking about all the posts claiming my shorter son would not be rercruited. Clearly people have no idea what they're talking about on here.


Bigger skilled kids will get more looks. Size does matter, and you know it!


Didn't for mine!! We are thrilled with all the offers. My son will be going to a top school that he would never have been able to get into, and he is short. Wooo Hooo
Bigger kid will no doubt get more looks - it's the whole reason these parents play the holdback game. However, if your kid is on age, a slow grower and can handle playing against the reclass crowd he will be better for it in the end.
There are advantages to being short at the attack position. Easier to dodge, easier to draw penalties, and closer to ground balls.
yes that's right. its also great if you are fat and slow as well as short.
yes that's right. its also great if you are fat and slow as well as short.
***********************

Noone asked you to describe yourself. But thanks for sharing!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yes that's right. its also great if you are fat and slow as well as short.
***********************

Noone asked you to describe yourself. But thanks for sharing!


hee hee, love when someone nails it!
Great post Rudy? Why such a jerk? I will give you my name and we can meet anywhere and I will show you what this rudy can do. Your a typical [lacrosse].
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is an age cut off at MIAA schools, so kids can't play their senior year if they are too old.


But that age is 19 on Sept 1st of their senior year...which puts them at least 1 year older and sometimes 2 years older than their peers who did not hold back. Do not think for a moment that those hold back have not done the calculations themselves. So they can be 19 for their whole senior year of high school!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great post Rudy? Why such a jerk? I will give you my name and we can meet anywhere and I will show you what this rudy can do. Your a typical [lacrosse].


Rudy, Rudy....what's your name, I'll bring my full sized 2020 daughter and she will mess you up!

Anytime baby!
I just saw posts on two 2020 Edge Commits who are/were on 2019 roster? Please explain. Neither looks like a freshman in high school
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just saw posts on two 2020 Edge Commits who are/were on 2019 roster? Please explain. Neither looks like a freshman in high school
they both are doing a PG year after they finish High School
Wow what a loser! U are no doubt a guy who never played a sport in your life now living through your kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are advantages to being short at the attack position. Easier to dodge, easier to draw penalties, and closer to ground balls.


A player needs to be
Big
Fast
Smart (LAx IQ)
Smart (Grades)
Strong

or be atleast 4 out of 5 of the above..

Not Big, better be fast and off the charts strong.
Not Fast, better be big strong smart and have skills
Not smart on field better be the next UA model who runs a 4.65, puts up 225 8 times and have killer grades and skills
dont have the grades... better be an athlete who is choosing between football/basketball or lacrosse at a top Div 1 college.

but there is always a place for a player who wants to play.
Thanks Dr. Phil of lacrosse world!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are advantages to being short at the attack position. Easier to dodge, easier to draw penalties, and closer to ground balls.


A player needs to be
Big
Fast
Smart (LAx IQ)
Smart (Grades)
Strong

or be atleast 4 out of 5 of the above..

Not Big, better be fast and off the charts strong.
Not Fast, better be big strong smart and have skills
Not smart on field better be the next UA model who runs a 4.65, puts up 225 8 times and have killer grades and skills
dont have the grades... better be an athlete who is choosing between football/basketball or lacrosse at a top Div 1 college.

but there is always a place for a player who wants to play.

Not a Normal Grown Up, post a list that illustrates that you are obviously a complete tool that their kid is embarrassed to have as a parent.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are advantages to being short at the attack position. Easier to dodge, easier to draw penalties, and closer to ground balls.


A player needs to be
Big
Fast
Smart (LAx IQ)
Smart (Grades)
Strong

or be atleast 4 out of 5 of the above..

Not Big, better be fast and off the charts strong.
Not Fast, better be big strong smart and have skills
Not smart on field better be the next UA model who runs a 4.65, puts up 225 8 times and have killer grades and skills
dont have the grades... better be an athlete who is choosing between football/basketball or lacrosse at a top Div 1 college.

but there is always a place for a player who wants to play.

Not a Normal Grown Up, post a list that illustrates that you are obviously a complete tool that their kid is embarrassed to have as a parent.


Direct quote from coach to prospects. Who's the toll.

The guy who has the 16 year old freshman. Another conversation

Coach - How old is your son?
Dad1 - Freshman!! 🤑
Coach No, how old is he?
Dad1 - oh, 16😒
Coach - How old are your sons? 😉
Dad2&3 - both respond simultaneously 15, Sophomores 😇
Coach -🤔 😯Keep up the good job, things will change back I not here elsewhere
Dad1 😔
Dad 2&3 - 😏


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are advantages to being short at the attack position. Easier to dodge, easier to draw penalties, and closer to ground balls.


A player needs to be
Big
Fast
Smart (LAx IQ)
Smart (Grades)
Strong

or be atleast 4 out of 5 of the above..

Not Big, better be fast and off the charts strong.
Not Fast, better be big strong smart and have skills
Not smart on field better be the next UA model who runs a 4.65, puts up 225 8 times and have killer grades and skills
dont have the grades... better be an athlete who is choosing between football/basketball or lacrosse at a top Div 1 college.

but there is always a place for a player who wants to play.

Not a Normal Grown Up, post a list that illustrates that you are obviously a complete tool that their kid is embarrassed to have as a parent.


Direct quote from coach to prospects. Who's the toll.

The guy who has the 16 year old freshman. Another conversation

Coach - How old is your son?
Dad1 - Freshman!! 🤑
Coach No, how old is he?
Dad1 - oh, 16😒
Coach - How old are your sons? 😉
Dad2&3 - both respond simultaneously 15, Sophomores 😇
Coach -🤔 😯Keep up the good job, things will change back I not here elsewhere
Dad1 😔
Dad 2&3 - 😏




What is the above mess??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow what a loser! U are no doubt a guy who never played a sport in your life now living through your kids.
who are u talking to?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow what a loser! U are no doubt a guy who never played a sport in your life now living through your kids.
who are u talking to?


He is probably talking about himself.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are advantages to being short at the attack position. Easier to dodge, easier to draw penalties, and closer to ground balls.


A player needs to be
Big
Fast
Smart (LAx IQ)
Smart (Grades)
Strong

or be atleast 4 out of 5 of the above..

Not Big, better be fast and off the charts strong.
Not Fast, better be big strong smart and have skills
Not smart on field better be the next UA model who runs a 4.65, puts up 225 8 times and have killer grades and skills
dont have the grades... better be an athlete who is choosing between football/basketball or lacrosse at a top Div 1 college.

but there is always a place for a player who wants to play.

Not a Normal Grown Up, post a list that illustrates that you are obviously a complete tool that their kid is embarrassed to have as a parent.


Direct quote from coach to prospects. Who's the toll.

The guy who has the 16 year old freshman. Another conversation

Coach - How old is your son?
Dad1 - Freshman!! 🤑
Coach No, how old is he?
Dad1 - oh, 16😒
Coach - How old are your sons? 😉
Dad2&3 - both respond simultaneously 15, Sophomores 😇
Coach -🤔 😯Keep up the good job, things will change back I not here elsewhere
Dad1 😔
Dad 2&3 - 😏




What is the above mess??

The tool must have been thinking about paying a toll.
Can I get that 90 seconds of my life back spent reading the above drivel?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can I get that 90 seconds of my life back spent reading the above drivel?


No
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can I get that 90 seconds of my life back spent reading the above drivel?


No


Sad day. The man who invented the red solo cup passed away.
He had no idea how influential he was to lacrosse sidelines.
It' is also a sad day when you see parents at youth lacrosse tournaments walking around with their red Solo cups acting like their kids play for Delta House. If you can't watch a youth lacrosse game without boozing it up stay at home. No wonder lacrosse has a black eye.
So, since things are quiet on the commit front, what's the current 2020 count by team? Ty isn't up to date so curious. 89+2? Sweetlax? Looney's? Crabs? Express? Sons? It's winter. . .so. ..
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So, since things are quiet on the commit front, what's the current 2020 count by team? Ty isn't up to date so curious. 89+2? Sweetlax? Looney's? Crabs? Express? Sons? It's winter. . .so. ..


Crush, Sweetlax, Looneys, FCA have the most. They all probably also have a bunch more that aren't listed but committed to schools like Duke and certain Ivies that don't allow commitments to be announced yet
Why would certain Ivies not allow announcements when others like Brown and Princeton do?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why would certain Ivies not allow announcements when others like Brown and Princeton do?


It's their policy. Some insist the kid has a full year of freshman grades. Some are waiting for 1st semester. There are currently kids verbally committed to Duke, Yale, ND,Penn and Harvard who are not alowed to go public yet.
Crush has 13 most announced some waiting to go public
I call BS on the verbals not allowed to go public
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I call BS on the verbals not allowed to go public


Why? It's been this way for years. If you were knowledgeable in how Ivies work you would not make that statement. Princeton and Brown have allowd the early announcement but other schools have their own rules. In the past most Ivies didn't allow the announcement till Jr or even Sr year, so they are relaxing the rules a bit, but some may make the kids wait at least another year. You will see a few more announced after the 1st semester grades are in, and a bunch at the end of the year. Know of at least 5.
Name the club teams and positions
At this point, it would out the commits. The decision to announce isn't easy, trust me. Almost wish we were told not to. . .wouldn't have to deal with the obnoxious uncommitted 18 & 19 parents who feel comfortable questioning our son's very rational decision.
BS
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At this point, it would out the commits. The decision to announce isn't easy, trust me. Almost wish we were told not to. . .wouldn't have to deal with the obnoxious uncommitted 18 & 19 parents who feel comfortable questioning our son's very rational decision.


Not exactly a "glass is half full" kind of person are you? You sound like the guy who won the lottery and then complains he has to pay taxes on the jackpot......If your kid is committing as a 2020 you have nothing to complain about. Oh, and nobody is making you or your kid do anything. If you don't want to announce it to the world then don't. I doubt a college coach would care. It is the club coaches salivating at blasting the news out to the world.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Name the club teams and positions


Can't do that, my son is one of them. We can't announce until the end of the school year. And that's fine, must respect the coaches wishes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So, since things are quiet on the commit front, what's the current 2020 count by team? Ty isn't up to date so curious. 89+2? Sweetlax? Looney's? Crabs? Express? Sons? It's winter. . .so. ..


TD get a life
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At this point, it would out the commits. The decision to announce isn't easy, trust me. Almost wish we were told not to. . .wouldn't have to deal with the obnoxious uncommitted 18 & 19 parents who feel comfortable questioning our son's very rational decision.


Not exactly a "glass is half full" kind of person are you? You sound like the guy who won the lottery and then complains he has to pay taxes on the jackpot......If your kid is committing as a 2020 you have nothing to complain about. Oh, and nobody is making you or your kid do anything. If you don't want to announce it to the world then don't. I doubt a college coach would care. It is the club coaches salivating at blasting the news out to the world.


And, it is the crazy parents allowing it to happen. If you see really concerned about your kid you wouldn't announce it. True fact
In this day and age I find it virtually unbelievable that there is a huge backlog of verbal 2020 commits waiting to be announced. Information spreads like wildfire. To say you know 5 kids that have verbal commitments from Ivy League schools - but - won't say the clubs, positions, etc. is pure BS. Most of the Ivys don't even have their 2019s lined up. If past is prologue we will see a bunch of Ivy Leaue commits this time next year and THEN the kids will actually have to get through the admissions process which is no small feat.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In this day and age I find it virtually unbelievable that there is a huge backlog of verbal 2020 commits waiting to be announced. Information spreads like wildfire. To say you know 5 kids that have verbal commitments from Ivy League schools - but - won't say the clubs, positions, etc. is pure BS. Most of the Ivys don't even have their 2019s lined up. If past is prologue we will see a bunch of Ivy Leaue commits this time next year and THEN the kids will actually have to get through the admissions process which is no small feat.


Why so negative? Why would I lie? Every college and club coach knows who these kids are, since they had to cease communications with other interested schools. You are correct about meeting academic requirements. Those are laid out prior to the commitment, the GPA and test scores required for admission. Good luck to all the boys still looking for a good fit school, will be a big year for this age group!
You and baby Ty Ty have all the inside scoop. Bunch of BS. Name the clubs, schools, positions, etc. or it's BS.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You and baby Ty Ty have all the inside scoop. Bunch of BS. Name the clubs, schools, positions, etc. or it's BS.


Haha, sorry your b team son will never play in college and you have no knowledge of the recruiting process, sad for you, jackass
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush has 13 most announced some waiting to go public

BS 13 my [lacrosse]
King of BS
Originally Posted by Anonymous
King of BS
Just the King
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush has 13 most announced some waiting to go public

BS 13 my [lacrosse]


Crush does not have 13, don't believe it. Most of those kids will eventually commit and end up at good schools as many others will from other top long Island teams and programs.
I know 22 kids that have super secret verbals from all the top schools - but they can't talk about it until they sign their NLI.
Crush has 7 Commits
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush has 7 Commits
Ty Zander's list is not up to date. played at Hobart on Dec 17th against Orange Crush Orange 2018 (Syracuse based) and they had 5 listed players committed to UPenn 1 Hobart 1 and Syracuse 3 and not one of those players are listed in recruiting rundown. He only lists kids who reach out to him. This suggests that 2018 is probably over and done with and 2019 is mostly finished to the schools now more focused on 2020 because of proposed rule changes that could come into effect next Autumn
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush has 7 Commits
Ty Zander's list is not up to date. played at Hobart on Dec 17th against Orange Crush Orange 2018 (Syracuse based) and they had 5 listed players committed to UPenn 1 Hobart 1 and Syracuse 3 and not one of those players are listed in recruiting rundown. He only lists kids who reach out to him. This suggests that 2018 is probably over and done with and 2019 is mostly finished to the schools now more focused on 2020 because of proposed rule changes that could come into effect next Autumn


Are those Crush kids that are Committed to Cuse and Penn?
There is no way 2019s are done. There are a huge group of D1 coaches that won't even consider making an offer to a 9th grader who hasn't played a single high school game. 5 91 players to Penn? Hard to believe...
2019's are current sophomores. . . .
Above poster said they are done with 19s
The 2018's are not done, how could the 2019's be done? There are 71 D1 programs with 10 - 15 recruits per class and a average roster size of 40 - 45 kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know 22 kids that have super secret verbals from all the top schools - but they can't talk about it until they sign their NLI.


Who are you kidding?
I think he's kidding everyone!
When are proposed recruit rule changes being voted on? what are the changes that will impact 2020's ? Are proposed changes expected to be accepted?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think he's kidding everyone!



These are not secret verbals, the kids are allowed to share the commitment with friends, family and coaches. This is how all commitments should be handled, it's really not your, or anyone else business!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think he's kidding everyone!



These are not secret verbals, the kids are allowed to share the commitment with friends, family and coaches. This is how all commitments should be handled, it's really not your, or anyone else business!


Well Dean Wormer, is this the same as double secret probation? And specking about not being anyone's business, it is also none of your business. Troll
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When are proposed recruit rule changes being voted on? what are the changes that will impact 2020's ? Are proposed changes expected to be accepted?


Won't go through, if they did, would not impact those already committed, including unannounced Ivy verbals
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When are proposed recruit rule changes being voted on? what are the changes that will impact 2020's ? Are proposed changes expected to be accepted?


Doesn't matter. NCAA will never implement. They want to police less
It's going through. 100%. April 2017 goes into effect. WI'll not effect any commits.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's going through. 100%. April 2017 goes into effect. WI'll not effect any commits.


And who is your source for this information?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When are proposed recruit rule changes being voted on? what are the changes that will impact 2020's ? Are proposed changes expected to be accepted?


Doesn't matter. NCAA will never implement. They want to police less


Agree, the NCAA doesn't want another rule/regulation that they will have to monitor. Plus, lacrosse is not a top sport for the NCAA, not enough revenue as football and basketball, that is their main focus. NCAA does as little as possible for/with lacrosse, other than drain any income they can from the sport.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's going through. 100%. April 2017 goes into effect. WI'll not effect any commits.


The actual date will be 8/31/17 (if it passes the coaches will still be able to contact kids before their Junior year up to 8/31) after that date the coaches will not be able to have any contact with prospective student athletes until their Junior year. However, it will remain to be seen if it passes. I do believe the vast majority of the coaches do want it to pass. The only way it will affect the committed kids is that they will not have any contact with the coaches at the school they have "committed" to until their Junior year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's going through. 100%. April 2017 goes into effect. WI'll not effect any commits.


The actual date will be 8/31/17 (if it passes the coaches will still be able to contact kids before their Junior year up to 8/31) after that date the coaches will not be able to have any contact with prospective student athletes until their Junior year. However, it will remain to be seen if it passes. I do believe the vast majority of the coaches do want it to pass. The only way it will affect the committed kids is that they will not have any contact with the coaches at the school they have "committed" to until their Junior year.


The NCAA should just make all sports the same - no contact until the Jr year for anyone, any sport, male of female. School risks will go down, and correspondingly no school will be able to snag the phenom Middle School athlete, but this is actually in the best interests of both parties. Kids can actually be kids again!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's going through. 100%. April 2017 goes into effect. WI'll not effect any commits.


The actual date will be 8/31/17 (if it passes the coaches will still be able to contact kids before their Junior year up to 8/31) after that date the coaches will not be able to have any contact with prospective student athletes until their Junior year. However, it will remain to be seen if it passes. I do believe the vast majority of the coaches do want it to pass. The only way it will affect the committed kids is that they will not have any contact with the coaches at the school they have "committed" to until their Junior year.


The NCAA should just make all sports the same - no contact until the Jr year for anyone, any sport, male of female. School risks will go down, and correspondingly no school will be able to snag the phenom Middle School athlete, but this is actually in the best interests of both parties. Kids can actually be kids again!


Agree that a change needs to be made. That said, if this sets off a mad dash with 20s and 21s, it's going to end up causing more problems than solving them for those two classes. Coaches are going to be committing those age groups right up to the end 8/31 and even poorer rush decisions will be made. They should probably start with the 2022 class: no contact until junior year and somehow "grandfather" the 20/21 class to the currently broken system. Not sure how you'd "regulate" it though. . .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's going through. 100%. April 2017 goes into effect. WI'll not effect any commits.


The actual date will be 8/31/17 (if it passes the coaches will still be able to contact kids before their Junior year up to 8/31) after that date the coaches will not be able to have any contact with prospective student athletes until their Junior year. However, it will remain to be seen if it passes. I do believe the vast majority of the coaches do want it to pass. The only way it will affect the committed kids is that they will not have any contact with the coaches at the school they have "committed" to until their Junior year.


The NCAA should just make all sports the same - no contact until the Jr year for anyone, any sport, male of female. School risks will go down, and correspondingly no school will be able to snag the phenom Middle School athlete, but this is actually in the best interests of both parties. Kids can actually be kids again!


Agree that a change needs to be made. That said, if this sets off a mad dash with 20s and 21s, it's going to end up causing more problems than solving them for those two classes. Coaches are going to be committing those age groups right up to the end 8/31 and even poorer rush decisions will be made. They should probably start with the 2022 class: no contact until junior year and somehow "grandfather" the 20/21 class to the currently broken system. Not sure how you'd "regulate" it though. . .


Because then it won't impact you right? Selfish
Never will happen, you think the coaches want this? They don't. They talk out of bothe sides of their mouths. My son's college coach says this will not pass.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's going through. 100%. April 2017 goes into effect. WI'll not effect any commits.


The actual date will be 8/31/17 (if it passes the coaches will still be able to contact kids before their Junior year up to 8/31) after that date the coaches will not be able to have any contact with prospective student athletes until their Junior year. However, it will remain to be seen if it passes. I do believe the vast majority of the coaches do want it to pass. The only way it will affect the committed kids is that they will not have any contact with the coaches at the school they have "committed" to until their Junior year.


The NCAA should just make all sports the same - no contact until the Jr year for anyone, any sport, male of female. School risks will go down, and correspondingly no school will be able to snag the phenom Middle School athlete, but this is actually in the best interests of both parties. Kids can actually be kids again!


Agree that a change needs to be made. That said, if this sets off a mad dash with 20s and 21s, it's going to end up causing more problems than solving them for those two classes. Coaches are going to be committing those age groups right up to the end 8/31 and even poorer rush decisions will be made. They should probably start with the 2022 class: no contact until junior year and somehow "grandfather" the 20/21 class to the currently broken system. Not sure how you'd "regulate" it though. . .
Since this proposal cleared the prior committee it is very likely to be voted and accepted in April with the August cutoff (I thought would be Aug 1). Once approved the rule becomes another compliance item for schools to monitor and their compliance people to watch. every school has an NCAA compliance person and many have several on staff to keep teams and coaches out of NCAA trouble.

This will indeed cause a land grab over the summer if not start earlier. The funny thing will be to watch as club owners try to figure out what to do when they are not the gatekeeper anymore. Also, money-grab tournaments might be affected. I guess college coaches would still attend recruiting tournaments and bide their time until a player's junior year.

I do wonder what would happen if a kid sends an email to a coach prior to their junior year? Kids are not under any NCAA control.
They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.
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They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.


Won't go through. Besides, several 2021s are already very close to commitment.
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They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.


They should implement immediately, cancel all verbal commitments and let kids play high school. The kids who earned a commitment before will earn again and those who were left out because of a crappy system will have a chance to grow, learn and be noticed.

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They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.


They should implement immediately, cancel all verbal commitments and let kids play high school. The kids who earned a commitment before will earn again and those who were left out because of a crappy system will have a chance to grow, learn and be noticed.

Says the Dads whose kid has no looks. You probably wanted a recount for the election too.

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They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.


They should implement immediately, cancel all verbal commitments and let kids play high school. The kids who earned a commitment before will earn again and those who were left out because of a crappy system will have a chance to grow, learn and be noticed.

Says the Dads whose kid has no looks. You probably wanted a recount for the election too.



Scared your holdback will not keep his commitment as kids play high school. Seems the idea of immediate implementation worked to get the weakest parents to comment. So easy to bait.
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.


They should implement immediately, cancel all verbal commitments and let kids play high school. The kids who earned a commitment before will earn again and those who were left out because of a crappy system will have a chance to grow, learn and be noticed.

Says the Dads whose kid has no looks. You probably wanted a recount for the election too.

Is it really a wonder with responses like this that the majority of those committed get no respect from their peers and their parents are considered as a group the worst sports parents ever? A bit of humility goes a long way and most would agree that committing at the age of 14 or 15 (or even 16 given the large number of committed holdbacks) is not good for the sport and if really challenged not good for the child. Try to stop being a jerk dad - it is your son and not you who is playing the game.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.


They should implement immediately, cancel all verbal commitments and let kids play high school. The kids who earned a commitment before will earn again and those who were left out because of a crappy system will have a chance to grow, learn and be noticed.

Says the Dads whose kid has no looks. You probably wanted a recount for the election too.



Scared your holdback will not keep his commitment as kids play high school. Seems the idea of immediate implementation worked to get the weakest parents to comment. So easy to bait.


Nope, there is a reason kids get committed. It's because they stand out. Sorry yours didn't. Making silly recommendations will not help your son. Get back to practice!
Please stop thinking your kid is close to commitment , you just want to write that so you think it is true ..... JOKE
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.


They should implement immediately, cancel all verbal commitments and let kids play high school. The kids who earned a commitment before will earn again and those who were left out because of a crappy system will have a chance to grow, learn and be noticed.

Says the Dads whose kid has no looks. You probably wanted a recount for the election too.



Scared your holdback will not keep his commitment as kids play high school. Seems the idea of immediate implementation worked to get the weakest parents to comment. So easy to bait.


Nope, there is a reason kids get committed. It's because they stand out. Sorry yours didn't. Making silly recommendations will not help your son. Get back to practice!
Because they stand out in 8th and 9th grade? Boy, reality is going to strike some parents (not all) hard in the face in 3-4 years.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.


They should implement immediately, cancel all verbal commitments and let kids play high school. The kids who earned a commitment before will earn again and those who were left out because of a crappy system will have a chance to grow, learn and be noticed.

Says the Dads whose kid has no looks. You probably wanted a recount for the election too.



Scared your holdback will not keep his commitment as kids play high school. Seems the idea of immediate implementation worked to get the weakest parents to comment. So easy to bait.


Nope, there is a reason kids get committed. It's because they stand out. Sorry yours didn't. Making silly recommendations will not help your son. Get back to practice!


So, as suggested, your kid will not stand out if the rule is implemented immediately and he has to actually play a high school game. Let me guess, you never played lacrosse. You love it because your kid has always been good. He has always been good, because he has always been bigger. Easy to look good against kids not as developed. Now a rule could allow kids to develop academically and physically, but you oppose because you want the only advantage your kid had. The bull dodge and overrunning kids down the alley won't work when kids are developed. Weak!
In my experience, by 4th-5th grade you can tell which kids are most athletic regardless of the sport they are playing. We all know who those kids are. They are faster and more coordinated, they can catch and throw and kick better and the biggest differentiator is their competitive fire! They are alsways around the ball.. My point is that those same kids who stand out in 7th/8th grade (holdback or not) usually do not fall back in the middle of the pack by their junior yr. So many of you say "just wait until the other boys hit their growth spirt"... On a very rare occasion have I seen a late bloomer come out of nowhere and become the "star athlete".
I think there needs clarification on what a "late bloomer" is. It is NOT a kid who was not a strong athlete all along and then turns into one his Jr year out of nowhere. A late bloomer is a kid that hits puberty late. So how it applies here is a kid that has been a star athlete from little up through middle school. Then say in 8th grade other kids have hit puberty and are now 5'8, 135 lbs. But this kid who has been a star is still 5'2 , 100 lbs. now it becomes challenging for this kid with the size difference until his puberty growth hits. This kid's growth spurt then kicks in around 10th grade and he is 5'11, 170 lbs as a Jr. He reemerges as a star player once the puberty growth stages even out. That is a late bloomer example.
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In my experience, by 4th-5th grade you can tell which kids are most athletic regardless of the sport they are playing. We all know who those kids are. They are faster and more coordinated, they can catch and throw and kick better and the biggest differentiator is their competitive fire! They are alsways around the ball.. My point is that those same kids who stand out in 7th/8th grade (holdback or not) usually do not fall back in the middle of the pack by their junior yr. So many of you say "just wait until the other boys hit their growth spirt"... On a very rare occasion have I seen a late bloomer come out of nowhere and become the "star athlete".


Wow, you are a colossal idiot. You sound like my son's PAL coaches. One nut job told me my son didn't have the right muscle fibers at 11 years old. (his son never played in HS or college) Like you, they couldn't have been more wrong. I have one in college playing and another committed to a top 20 D1 program. Neither were the best, fastest, most athletic in 4th or 5th grade. In fact, one was heavy, and one ran on his heels. Fast forward a few years. One committed as a jr, the other a soph. Lacrosse is unique sport, where dynamic hard working Lacrosse players, surpass superior athletes all the time. It's a rare sport where you can be big, fast, small, tall, short, thick, skinny and still compete at the highest levels. Is being a freak athlete a benefit? Sure. A prerequisite? No. BTW the kid who ran on his heels, became the fastest kid on his HS team. The heavy one, breaks poles ankles anywhere on the field. Don't think my two where outliers, just hard workers at a sport they loved.
Do everyone a favor and take your insane border line creepy assessment of 4th and 5th grade babies somewhere else. Who watches kids that closely? Creeper!!!!
Let me guess.. you are 60lbs over weight (your wife even fatter) and never played or coached and are living vicariously through your kids. I knew it.. You sir are the loser. . I Have 4 kids and have coached 3 different sports (lacrosse not one them) at the the youth rec level.. just to help out and give back. Most of the kids who excel at an early age continue on that same path. Yes on the rare occasion a kid puts down the soda and doritos that bad parents like you gave them their whole life and and they shed the weight and start to come into their own. No go back to bragging about your "ankle braking kids" to someone who gives a rats arse other then their grandmother..
And to the other guy who isn't the BOTC court Jester Dad with the former chubby now ankle breaking kids who fought off bad parenting that's a good "late bloomer example"
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In my experience, by 4th-5th grade you can tell which kids are most athletic regardless of the sport they are playing. We all know who those kids are. They are faster and more coordinated, they can catch and throw and kick better and the biggest differentiator is their competitive fire! They are alsways around the ball.. My point is that those same kids who stand out in 7th/8th grade (holdback or not) usually do not fall back in the middle of the pack by their junior yr. So many of you say "just wait until the other boys hit their growth spirt"... On a very rare occasion have I seen a late bloomer come out of nowhere and become the "star athlete".


Superstar elementary school athlete! Have fun with that!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
In my experience, by 4th-5th grade you can tell which kids are most athletic regardless of the sport they are playing. We all know who those kids are. They are faster and more coordinated, they can catch and throw and kick better and the biggest differentiator is their competitive fire! They are alsways around the ball.. My point is that those same kids who stand out in 7th/8th grade (holdback or not) usually do not fall back in the middle of the pack by their junior yr. So many of you say "just wait until the other boys hit their growth spirt"... On a very rare occasion have I seen a late bloomer come out of nowhere and become the "star athlete".



Wow, you are a colossal idiot. You sound like my son's PAL coaches. One nut job told me my son didn't have the right muscle fibers at 11 years old. (his son never played in HS or college) Like you, they couldn't have been more wrong. I have one in college playing and another committed to a top 20 D1 program. Neither were the best, fastest, most athletic in 4th or 5th grade. In fact, one was heavy, and one ran on his heels. Fast forward a few years. One committed as a jr, the other a soph. Lacrosse is unique sport, where dynamic hard working Lacrosse players, surpass superior athletes all the time. It's a rare sport where you can be big, fast, small, tall, short, thick, skinny and still compete at the highest levels. Is being a freak athlete a benefit? Sure. A prerequisite? No. BTW the kid who ran on his heels, became the fastest kid on his HS team. The heavy one, breaks poles ankles anywhere on the field. Don't think my two where outliers, just hard workers at a sport they loved.
Do everyone a favor and take your insane border line creepy assessment of 4th and 5th grade babies somewhere else. Who watches kids that closely? Creeper!!!!


If your kids a sophomore, why are you trolling the 2020 page? I call BS on all of your claims. Just does not work that way! Guy is correct. It is the rare kid who "comes out of nowhere". Why is it creepy watching 5th graders? I did when my sons they were in 5th, then 6th, then 7th......pretty much everything stayed the same. Maybe you were in your car drinking beers while we were all watching the boys play and develop? You sound very angry tool bag, and need to chill a bit.
It's almost comical that people think the proposed legislation is going to solve all the lax recruiting problems.
The NCAA has been down this road before and their hesitation to further regulate is based on lessons learned with the likes of AAU basketball. The unintended conciquenses are the club coaches and individuals with lines of communication Into the college coaches get more powerful and corrupt. Early RecruitIng won't end, it will just take a different look and feel. Since the kids and parents won't be able to contact the coaches they will rely on conduits to plead their casses to be recruited. The club directors everyone hate will only become more important as the process is conducted through intermediaries. Watch out what you wish for.
You all sound like a pack of fools. Arguing about whose kid is the best. Let the kids play, if they decide they want to play in college, good for them. If the commit early and it works out, great. If they don't commit and they walk in and end up being a star, great. If they decide not to play, great. You all need to get a grip. Thw best player in the NCAA this past year was a kid that was not recruited. If you aren't recruited in 8th grade it doesn't mean your lacrosse life is over, even though some people want you to believe it is. Lacrosse is a super rich, white kid sport and in reality, the only people that care about it are the people on this forum. Let your kids have fun, enjoy the game and grow as young men.
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In my experience, by 4th-5th grade you can tell which kids are most athletic regardless of the sport they are playing. We all know who those kids are. They are faster and more coordinated, they can catch and throw and kick better and the biggest differentiator is their competitive fire! They are alsways around the ball.. My point is that those same kids who stand out in 7th/8th grade (holdback or not) usually do not fall back in the middle of the pack by their junior yr. So many of you say "just wait until the other boys hit their growth spirt"... On a very rare occasion have I seen a late bloomer come out of nowhere and become the "star athlete".



Wow, you are a colossal idiot. You sound like my son's PAL coaches. One nut job told me my son didn't have the right muscle fibers at 11 years old. (his son never played in HS or college) Like you, they couldn't have been more wrong. I have one in college playing and another committed to a top 20 D1 program. Neither were the best, fastest, most athletic in 4th or 5th grade. In fact, one was heavy, and one ran on his heels. Fast forward a few years. One committed as a jr, the other a soph. Lacrosse is unique sport, where dynamic hard working Lacrosse players, surpass superior athletes all the time. It's a rare sport where you can be big, fast, small, tall, short, thick, skinny and still compete at the highest levels. Is being a freak athlete a benefit? Sure. A prerequisite? No. BTW the kid who ran on his heels, became the fastest kid on his HS team. The heavy one, breaks poles ankles anywhere on the field. Don't think my two where outliers, just hard workers at a sport they loved.
Do everyone a favor and take your insane border line creepy assessment of 4th and 5th grade babies somewhere else. Who watches kids that closely? Creeper!!!!


If your kids a sophomore, why are you trolling the 2020 page? I call BS on all of your claims. Just does not work that way! Guy is correct. It is the rare kid who "comes out of nowhere". Why is it creepy watching 5th graders? I did when my sons they were in 5th, then 6th, then 7th......pretty much everything stayed the same. Maybe you were in your car drinking beers while we were all watching the boys play and develop? You sound very angry tool bag, and need to chill a bit.

Oh I can't read other threads now? Call BS all you want,100% TRUE! Doesn't that just burn you? Sorry my kids stories don't fit your dopey narrative, that a kids athletic destiny is set in 4th grade. Take your kid to a clinic or the gym, maybe he'll have half the success mine have had. You're completely and patently clueless on how this and other sports work. Did you watch the Giant game dummy? Rodgers and Matthews had a combined zero D1 offers out of HS!!! Rodgers played at Jr College and then transferred to Cal, and Matthews walked on at USC. I guess nothing changed in their Athletic development either? They just happen to be on the same team and superstars on opposite sides of the ball. I guess it does work that way!!! And yes, you're still creepy.
P.S. No anger here, just can't believe how stupid people like you are. Nothing changes after 4th or 5th grade? How do you even write something like that? Good luck to your poor kid...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
In my experience, by 4th-5th grade you can tell which kids are most athletic regardless of the sport they are playing. We all know who those kids are. They are faster and more coordinated, they can catch and throw and kick better and the biggest differentiator is their competitive fire! They are alsways around the ball.. My point is that those same kids who stand out in 7th/8th grade (holdback or not) usually do not fall back in the middle of the pack by their junior yr. So many of you say "just wait until the other boys hit their growth spirt"... On a very rare occasion have I seen a late bloomer come out of nowhere and become the "star athlete".



Wow, you are a colossal idiot. You sound like my son's PAL coaches. One nut job told me my son didn't have the right muscle fibers at 11 years old. (his son never played in HS or college) Like you, they couldn't have been more wrong. I have one in college playing and another committed to a top 20 D1 program. Neither were the best, fastest, most athletic in 4th or 5th grade. In fact, one was heavy, and one ran on his heels. Fast forward a few years. One committed as a jr, the other a soph. Lacrosse is unique sport, where dynamic hard working Lacrosse players, surpass superior athletes all the time. It's a rare sport where you can be big, fast, small, tall, short, thick, skinny and still compete at the highest levels. Is being a freak athlete a benefit? Sure. A prerequisite? No. BTW the kid who ran on his heels, became the fastest kid on his HS team. The heavy one, breaks poles ankles anywhere on the field. Don't think my two where outliers, just hard workers at a sport they loved.
Do everyone a favor and take your insane border line creepy assessment of 4th and 5th grade babies somewhere else. Who watches kids that closely? Creeper!!!!


If your kids a sophomore, why are you trolling the 2020 page? I call BS on all of your claims. Just does not work that way! Guy is correct. It is the rare kid who "comes out of nowhere". Why is it creepy watching 5th graders? I did when my sons they were in 5th, then 6th, then 7th......pretty much everything stayed the same. Maybe you were in your car drinking beers while we were all watching the boys play and develop? You sound very angry tool bag, and need to chill a bit.

Oh I can't read other threads now? Call BS all you want,100% TRUE! Doesn't that just burn you? Sorry my kids stories don't fit your dopey narrative, that a kids athletic destiny is set in 4th grade. Take your kid to a clinic or the gym, maybe he'll have half the success mine have had. You're completely and patently clueless on how this and other sports work. Did you watch the Giant game dummy? Rodgers and Matthews had a combined zero D1 offers out of HS!!! Rodgers played at Jr College and then transferred to Cal, and Matthews walked on at USC. I guess nothing changed in their Athletic development either? They just happen to be on the same team and superstars on opposite sides of the ball. I guess it does work that way!!! And yes, you're still creepy.
P.S. No anger here, just can't believe how stupid people like you are. Nothing changes after 4th or 5th grade? How do you even write something like that? Good luck to your poor kid...


I do think 4 or 5th is a little early to dismiss many kids as future good players. I do think that as each year goes by there are less and less players that come out of woodwork. 7-9th grades seem like the most changes take place. But you better be in sport to take advantage of new skills and athleticism.
My experience is that the late blooming really good athletic kid chooses another sport besides Lacrosse. Like Football or basketball.
I couldn't agree more. The guy who said you can tell in 4/5 the grade is some loser who's son was an early developer and knows nothing about sports. Can't wait till the late developers catch up and pass his son by. What a donkey!
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I couldn't agree more. The guy who said you can tell in 4/5 the grade is some loser who's son was an early developer and knows nothing about sports. Can't wait till the late developers catch up and pass his son by. What a donkey!


Happens all the time. Friends son in Philly had nearly zero looks summer between 10-11th grade. Made Philly UA team, by scoring 3 goals in final game of tryouts. Within two weeks he had offers from 6 D1 schools including ACC's....
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They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.


Won't go through. Besides, several 2021s are already very close to commitment.
Don't know much about 2021's but last March the lefty attack from ninedy one was first to commit. But haven't ever heard of a 2021 who is even close to his ability that would garner early recruit talk? What clubs do these 21's play for that they are close to committing?
Clay Matthews came from a family with ties to the NFL. His dad/uncle/grandfather all played in the NFL. He didn't just walk on at USC, all major colleges have a walk on process, if you are not a "select" walk on, you're not getting a shot. Clay Matthews was asked by the coaching staff to walk on.
6' 1 180lb from Laxchussets was 2020 last year
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Clay Matthews came from a family with ties to the NFL. His dad/uncle/grandfather all played in the NFL. He didn't just walk on at USC, all major colleges have a walk on process, if you are not a "select" walk on, you're not getting a shot. Clay Matthews was asked by the coaching staff to walk on.


How many D1 offers did he have? ZERO. Well aware of his lineage. By that measure alone the schools should have been lined up to offer him... Sorry try again.
USC and most d1 college football schools hold open tryouts. Clay was good enough to make their team, and the rest is history. Playing football or basketball is a better option then playing lacrosse. Would you rather have to split your scholarship or have full funding. That's why only rich preppy white boys go on to play lacrosse, cause most families can't afford to have their sons play due to the sheer cost in money and amount of time that would lead up to what? A 1/4 scholarship? That's my 2 cents.
Michael Jordan did not make his varsity basketball team as a sophomore! Some elite athletes are still raw in HS! Some of the most advanced kids in 7th and 8th grade are undersized by 10th and 11th grade.
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USC and most d1 college football schools hold open tryouts. Clay was good enough to make their team, and the rest is history. Playing football or basketball is a better option then playing lacrosse. Would you rather have to split your scholarship or have full funding. That's why only rich preppy white boys go on to play lacrosse, cause most families can't afford to have their sons play due to the sheer cost in money and amount of time that would lead up to what? A 1/4 scholarship? That's my 2 cents.


Who told you most D1 programs have open try outs? That is completely untrue. D1 programs do not have open try outs for the whole school. Who told you this? The days of Rudy are over.
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Clay Matthews came from a family with ties to the NFL. His dad/uncle/grandfather all played in the NFL. He didn't just walk on at USC, all major colleges have a walk on process, if you are not a "select" walk on, you're not getting a shot. Clay Matthews was asked by the coaching staff to walk on.


How many D1 offers did he have? ZERO. Well aware of his lineage. By that measure alone the schools should have been lined up to offer him... Sorry try again.


Matthews was a preferred walk on, not some kid who came in from nowhere. He wanted USC, they didn't offer, the coaches told him to walk on, full well knowing he neither needed nor merited a full ride at that time. But would probably earn one later. He wasn't exactly a risk.
Out of all the boys who play in HS, there is a 2.8% chance of them going D1. Long Island is clearly grabbing a large amount of these spots, with some HS teams boasting an average of 5-10 per grade. If you really want to play a D1 sport, fencing is the way to go, where close to 30% go D1. As for the recruiting process, who cares when the kid commits. Congratulations is in order for everyone who makes it to the next level, it doesn't come easy for anyone, despite what you may think. Keep working hard, and you may be next!
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It's almost comical that people think the proposed legislation is going to solve all the lax recruiting problems.
The NCAA has been down this road before and their hesitation to further regulate is based on lessons learned with the likes of AAU basketball. The unintended conciquenses are the club coaches and individuals with lines of communication Into the college coaches get more powerful and corrupt. Early RecruitIng won't end, it will just take a different look and feel. Since the kids and parents won't be able to contact the coaches they will rely on conduits to plead their casses to be recruited. The club directors everyone hate will only become more important as the process is conducted through intermediaries. Watch out what you wish for.


Absolutely 100% correct. Coaches are still going to seek out the top programs/tourneys/showcases and are still going to have the ear of the club coaches (and vice versa). We will have placed ALL of the power into the hands of the club coaches. 8/1 of junior year isn't going to be some magical time where the playing fields are level and parity is achieved. Far from it. The week of 8/1 will be a very steady stream of TyX tweets in which entire rosters are announced, some of those decisions being made as early as they are now only through the club coaches and not face-to-face with the player and parents. Until you address the club phenomenon, and not sure there's much anyone can do there, you're not going to fix anything substantially. It will quiet the most vocal, but always seems the most vocal are the most vocal for a reason.
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Clay Matthews came from a family with ties to the NFL. His dad/uncle/grandfather all played in the NFL. He didn't just walk on at USC, all major colleges have a walk on process, if you are not a "select" walk on, you're not getting a shot. Clay Matthews was asked by the coaching staff to walk on.


How many D1 offers did he have? ZERO. Well aware of his lineage. By that measure alone the schools should have been lined up to offer him... Sorry try again.


Matthews was a preferred walk on, not some kid who came in from nowhere. He wanted USC, they didn't offer, the coaches told him to walk on, full well knowing he neither needed nor merited a full ride at that time. But would probably earn one later. He wasn't exactly a risk.


No risk, and ZERO other offers either. Just accept it. Just like USC, no one else offered him because they didn't think he was that good, they were all wrong.
Did you happen to see who caught the game winning TD in the National Championship game last night? A WALK ON!!! Any idiot that thinks his kid is a D1 player because he's a standout in 4th grade is just plain Bat-[lacrosse] crazy, he's equally as crazy if he thinks the kid whose a little slower or a little less athletic has no shot. Two college players for me, and both were in no way standouts in 4th grade. Good luck to your kids. Last post on the subject for me, I just can't argue with stupid any longer.
Fat kid that ran on is heels. Sounds like the next Paul Rabil to me..
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6' 1 180lb from Laxchussets was 2020 last year
So this player at this size could not commit as a 2020? So is now going to commit as a 2021? Is he as good as the lefty attack from ninedy one?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
6' 1 180lb from Laxchussets was 2020 last year
So this player at this size could not commit as a 2020? So is now going to commit as a 2021? Is he as good as the lefty attack from ninedy one?


No. Thats why he was moved down. Not as skilled at all. Big/Raw (you know what that means)
Crazy with that size
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6' 1 180lb from Laxchussets was 2020 last year
So this player at this size could not commit as a 2020? So is now going to commit as a 2021? Is he as good as the lefty attack from ninedy one?


I thought the Crush/Blaze double holdback was going to be the first 2021?
6'1", 180lbs.. I'm guessing the coach of the school where this player wants to attend told this player to hold back a year and if he did so, that coach would verbally commit him early in the year.

That is pure speculation but it is all I could think of.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fat kid that ran on is heels. Sounds like the next Paul Rabil to me..


Jealousy will eat you alive.
Hahah . I got a good laugh out of that Rabil post. And nice try Dad.. nobody is jealous of your kids who fought of bad parenting to get some some looks. And it's you who is the creeper as you don't even have a player in the 2020 class.

Signed...envious my kids not an "Ankle breaker"...
This was on the 2021 thread but also can be posted here about hold backs:


There are countless studies that support this. Not only as adults but also as kids there are self-esteem issues and many other long term issues that result. An older kid looks and acts different compared to younger kids in his grade. Also you are telling your kid he can't compete with kids his own age. The mind is very complicated. The seeds you plant indirectly by holding back are harmful. Find this study below and go on the internet and search some of these terms and you will see holding back results in many problems.

2003 "Position Statement on Student Grade Retention," the National Association of School Psychologists (NASP)concluded:

* Academic achievement of kids who are retained is poorer than that of peers who are promoted.
* Achievement gains associated with retention fade within two to three years after the grade repeated.
* Retention often is associated with increased behavior problems.
* Grade retention has a negative impact on all areas of a child's achievement (reading, math, and language) and socio-emotional adjustment (peer relationships, self-esteem, problem behaviors, and attendance).
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This was on the 2021 thread but also can be posted here about hold backs:


There are countless studies that support this. Not only as adults but also as kids there are self-esteem issues and many other long term issues tha