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Posted By: TEAM L.O. WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 02:52 AM
What is everyones thoughts on rule changes for WSYL?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 10:23 AM
The new rules weather right or wrong, it doesn'tatter, what matters is the WSYL had a set of rules, and now 3 months prior to the event to benefit someone. All the clubs I've talked to have said they are now thinking of backing out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 11:27 AM
Agreed. That is what I have been hearing. Should change the eligibility rules mid way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 11:53 AM
Some should contact ESPN and let them know the kind of tournament that they are involved with. You would think everyone would like to see a competitive tournament. I guess all except JS at Team 91.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 12:09 PM
Originally Posted by TEAM L.O.
What is everyones thoughts on rule changes for WSYL?



What is WSYL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 12:25 PM
World Series of Youth Lacrosse. But what were the rules changes ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some should contact ESPN and let them know the kind of tournament that they are involved with. You would think everyone would like to see a competitive tournament. I guess all except JS at Team 91.



It's funny how everyone on here gripes about holdback and kids playing down etc. doesn't the change now make this a pure age based tourney? All clubs should form a new age based team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some should contact ESPN and let them know the kind of tournament that they are involved with. You would think everyone would like to see a competitive tournament. I guess all except JS at Team 91.



It's funny how everyone on here gripes about holdback and kids playing down etc. doesn't the change now make this a pure age based tourney? All clubs should form a new age based team


Many teams have been formed since the fall, rules should go into play next year, give clubs the opportunity to select teams based on requirements. Would be wrong not to include kids already on the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 02:10 PM
What was the rule change??

What yrs go to WSYL?

I saw it was 2020's last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 02:38 PM
The integrity of this WSYL has been tarnished by the few who HAVE NO INTEGRITY......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 02:45 PM
This year was supposed to be 2021 but 91 fears the mighty Igloo so they gave a large donation to restructor the rules and now you have a new set of rules 3 months prior to qulifier what are they gonna do next year to alter again to suit themselves. Cause all will be prepared.... This is all about one organization fear of losing .....very sad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 03:03 PM
Team91 showing itself to be the biggest scumbags around.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 03:55 PM
Last year it was grade based with an age cut off of May 1. Several teams had to leave the kids who were not age eligible home and that is what should happen when you win only by loading your team with older kids and holdbacks. Last year the rule changed from pure 2020 w a 9/1 cut off to 5/1 to try and accommodate Crabs or at least let them get more of their kids there. They still had to leave a few home but were able to field a team with the date change and adding a few kids from other teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team91 showing itself to be the biggest scumbags around.


Highly doubtful that is what happened.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 05:22 PM
That's exactly what's happening JS All the way. This is why it is imperative that youth lacrosse goes age based. Now you have people holding tryouts just for one tournamenet, the whole thing is tainted.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team91 showing itself to be the biggest scumbags around.


Age date did not move, what's the problem?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's exactly what's happening JS All the way. This is why it is imperative that youth lacrosse goes age based. Now you have people holding tryouts just for one tournamenet, the whole thing is tainted.


They never moved the date, what nonsense are you talking.
Posted By: TEAM L.O. Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 05:58 PM
however they did take away the 2021 grade to suit themselves ....$$$$$$ talks ..... I hope most teams bail which i have a feeling is gonna happen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team91 showing itself to be the biggest scumbags around.


Age date did not move, what's the problem?



What is the legitimate proof that 91 was behind the discontinuance of the 2021 regulation? Just sounds like a bunch of conjecture from people who have issues with this program. I personally believe it should be 2021 with a cutoff of 9/1/2002.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by TEAM L.O.
however they did take away the 2021 grade to suit themselves ....$$$$$$ talks ..... I hope most teams bail which i have a feeling is gonna happen.



The only one this suits is the "2021" team that has disregarded the rules for years. Yes, you know who you are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 07:10 PM
If the WSYL was legit they should have any team that is registered for the qualifier be able to vote on the new rule change. All results can be posted on their website with the team name and their response. This way it can be seen how corrupt this has become. I do agree that all teams should boycott this event.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 07:43 PM
I know of two top 2021 teams that are boycotting the event. If everyone who has held there kids back for WHATEVER reason doesn't matter would just play on there appropriate age team this would not be an issue. It's pretty clear cut as to why this sport we all love is being more and more ridiculed for the lack of common sense and oversight.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 07:48 PM
It is funny to watch all these people who complain about grade based whine when a tournament goes completely aged based but picks a cutoff date that doesn't suit them. Whenever someone says that 9/1 should be the cutoff all it means is that their son was born in the fall.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 08:06 PM
Didn't they have the same cutoff last year. What is the rule change?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 09:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is funny to watch all these people who complain about grade based whine when a tournament goes completely aged based but picks a cutoff date that doesn't suit them. Whenever someone says that 9/1 should be the cutoff all it means is that their son was born in the fall.


You don't think 5/1 is strange? I do. Not representative of any true grad year. Stinks of a hidden agenda!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is funny to watch all these people who complain about grade based whine when a tournament goes completely aged based but picks a cutoff date that doesn't suit them. Whenever someone says that 9/1 should be the cutoff all it means is that their son was born in the fall.


You don't think 5/1 is strange? I do. Not representative of any true grad year. Stinks of a hidden agenda!


All cutoff dates are arbitrary. That is why people prefer grade based brackets until people start abusing them. 5/1 is just as good or as bad as any other date.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is funny to watch all these people who complain about grade based whine when a tournament goes completely aged based but picks a cutoff date that doesn't suit them. Whenever someone says that 9/1 should be the cutoff all it means is that their son was born in the fall.


You don't think 5/1 is strange? I do. Not representative of any true grad year. Stinks of a hidden agenda!


It does make sure nobody is 14 before the qualifiers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 10:29 PM
Exactly where have u ever heard of 5/1 as cut off, that poster must be one of the holdback dads. Sounds like he trying to take a stab at realistic people on behalf of his holdback. Lmao
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Exactly where have u ever heard of 5/1 as cut off, that poster must be one of the holdback dads. Sounds like he trying to take a stab at realistic people on behalf of his holdback. Lmao


Sorry my son is not a holdback. Just find it hilarious when all of the age based proponents change their minds when the date isn't favorable to their kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 10:48 PM
This is the same date as last year only they are not asking for proof of grade. Since 5/1/02-11/30/02 is really a 2020 in NY the 2021 teams with holdbacks just lost there advantage. Its really not that big of a deal except that some teams will be carrying 8th graders. Its really the same as when the holdbacks say its ok he's in the grade. Now you will just hear. It's ok he's the correct age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 10:49 PM
This is the same date as last year only they are not asking for proof of grade. Since 5/1/02-11/30/02 is really a 2020 in NY the 2021 teams with holdbacks just lost there advantage. Its really not that big of a deal except that some teams will be carrying 8th graders. Its really the same as when the holdbacks say its ok he's in the grade. Now you will just hear. It's ok he's the correct age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 10:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is funny to watch all these people who complain about grade based whine when a tournament goes completely aged based but picks a cutoff date that doesn't suit them. Whenever someone says that 9/1 should be the cutoff all it means is that their son was born in the fall.



I posted about using the 9/1 cutoff date because that has always been used for U based tournaments. My son was born in May of 2003 and is a 2021 as he should be. Actually, he will be able to play in the WSYL next year also.......LOL......not. We will refuse to play down when the calls come.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/16/16 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know of two top 2021 teams that are boycotting the event. If everyone who has held there kids back for WHATEVER reason doesn't matter would just play on there appropriate age team this would not be an issue. It's pretty clear cut as to why this sport we all love is being more and more ridiculed for the lack of common sense and oversight.


What teams are boycotting?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 01:05 AM
The logical approach would be to align with US Lacrosse guidelines and announce the WSYL rules well in advance (before team tryouts in August). The original rules were tilted to benefit a select few teams and the recent rules changes were clearly made to further benefit a select few teams. ESPN must be having second thoughts now that they are aware of the situation.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the same date as last year only they are not asking for proof of grade. Since 5/1/02-11/30/02 is really a 2020 in NY the 2021 teams with holdbacks just lost there advantage. Its really not that big of a deal except that some teams will be carrying 8th graders. Its really the same as when the holdbacks say its ok he's in the grade. Now you will just hear. It's ok he's the correct age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The logical approach would be to align with US Lacrosse guidelines and announce the WSYL rules well in advance (before team tryouts in August). The original rules were tilted to benefit a select few teams and the recent rules changes were clearly made to further benefit a select few teams. ESPN must be having second thoughts now that they are aware of the situation.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the same date as last year only they are not asking for proof of grade. Since 5/1/02-11/30/02 is really a 2020 in NY the 2021 teams with holdbacks just lost there advantage. Its really not that big of a deal except that some teams will be carrying 8th graders. Its really the same as when the holdbacks say its ok he's in the grade. Now you will just hear. It's ok he's the correct age.


Strongly agree with that. Why in the world would WSYL have a different cutoff than the national governing body USL? Makes absolutely no sense and frankly, it's an embarrassment to the sport.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The logical approach would be to align with US Lacrosse guidelines and announce the WSYL rules well in advance (before team tryouts in August). The original rules were tilted to benefit a select few teams and the recent rules changes were clearly made to further benefit a select few teams. ESPN must be having second thoughts now that they are aware of the situation.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the same date as last year only they are not asking for proof of grade. Since 5/1/02-11/30/02 is really a 2020 in NY the 2021 teams with holdbacks just lost there advantage. Its really not that big of a deal except that some teams will be carrying 8th graders. Its really the same as when the holdbacks say its ok he's in the grade. Now you will just hear. It's ok he's the correct age.

The Little league World Series uses 5/1 as a cutoff date. Why would ESPN care if the WSYL uses the same date?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 05:02 AM
The date never changed the fact that teams "could" use 2020 kids is false. The top clubs who have 20's that could shift power will be committing to schools this summer 91,express crabs etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 12:30 PM
You are wrong my friend very wrong they are now creating special teams based on new rules
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 02:16 PM
Just another tournament. It's cool that it's televised, but it's not a national championship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are wrong my friend very wrong they are now creating special teams based on new rules


Dah who didn't see that coming.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are wrong my friend very wrong they are now creating special teams based on new rules


Dah who didn't see that coming.



Who is they ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 03:06 PM
Legacy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 03:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is funny to watch all these people who complain about grade based whine when a tournament goes completely aged based but picks a cutoff date that doesn't suit them. Whenever someone says that 9/1 should be the cutoff all it means is that their son was born in the fall.



I posted about using the 9/1 cutoff date because that has always been used for U based tournaments. My son was born in May of 2003 and is a 2021 as he should be. Actually, he will be able to play in the WSYL next year also.......LOL......not. We will refuse to play down when the calls come.


when are you people going to get it. This is probably now the only tournament that is fair. Age based, regardless of cut off date is what all tourneys should be. Yes, you will have two different grades mixed but all on same playing field. Agree it sux for this years guinea pigs but its a step in right direction. would expect next year clubs will form a separate U13 team based on the guidelines
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 04:31 PM
JS and crew

Tz and crew

Sweet lax
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 10:34 PM
Much better teams at Young Guns. There will be 1-3 good teams, and the rest is crap.

Nowhere near a national championship. Funny to see LI trying to game the system now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/17/16 11:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The logical approach would be to align with US Lacrosse guidelines and announce the WSYL rules well in advance (before team tryouts in August). The original rules were tilted to benefit a select few teams and the recent rules changes were clearly made to further benefit a select few teams. ESPN must be having second thoughts now that they are aware of the situation.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the same date as last year only they are not asking for proof of grade. Since 5/1/02-11/30/02 is really a 2020 in NY the 2021 teams with holdbacks just lost there advantage. Its really not that big of a deal except that some teams will be carrying 8th graders. Its really the same as when the holdbacks say its ok he's in the grade. Now you will just hear. It's ok he's the correct age.

The Little league World Series uses 5/1 as a cutoff date. Why would ESPN care if the WSYL uses the same date?


How dare you bring logic to this meat head lax dad argument? Like lacrosse is the only sport where kids might play against someone 18 months older than them.

The Horror!!!

This is all fueled by daddy feeling like junior needs to win a championship he can brag about. Becoming a better player has become a secondary goal sadly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 01:21 AM
Written from a hold back mom?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Written from a hold back mom?


No. Written by a dad who has an on age son. He is in 6th grade and gets by just fine. He works hard and doesn't think that he's at a disadvantage just because someone on the other team might be a year older than him. He dealt with in when he played MYLA, so why does it need to be single age now?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 02:00 AM
Go to year of birth and call it done. Hockey has been doing it this way for years, soccer is going to system in 2016 and most football has gone to this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 02:23 AM
Just me the difference between 7th and 8th graders is much different then (th and 6th.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 03:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just me the difference between 7th and 8th graders is much different then (th and 6th.


Yet 7th graders manage to play for Middle School A teams. And so do 6th graders for that matter at some schools. These kids must all be the next Mikey Powell.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 03:58 AM
6th graders are not allow to play middle school, tool
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 04:38 AM
This is absolutely not a National Championship!!! It is the WORLD Championship!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 04:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
6th graders are not allow to play middle school, tool


My 6th grader will be so disappointed. Oh that's right, he is playing in middle school. What the [lacrosse] rock do you live under where they can't?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
6th graders are not allow to play middle school, tool


My 6th grader will be so disappointed. Oh that's right, he is playing in middle school. What the [lacrosse] rock do you live under where they can't?


Section rules. Kids can not play middle school sports till 7th grade. That's when middle school starts offically.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is absolutely not a National Championship!!! It is the WORLD Championship!!!


THIS IS A JOKE IS WHAT IT IS !!! NO INTEGRITY!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just me the difference between 7th and 8th graders is much different then (th and 6th.


Frankly Speaking
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
6th graders are not allow to play middle school, tool


My 6th grader will be so disappointed. Oh that's right, he is playing in middle school. What the [lacrosse] rock do you live under where they can't?


Section rules. Kids can not play middle school sports till 7th grade. That's when middle school starts offically.


Might you knuckle heads might live in different areas?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is absolutely not a National Championship!!! It is the WORLD Championship!!!


THIS IS A JOKE IS WHAT IT IS !!! NO INTEGRITY!!!


There is no real national or world championship but I don't see how they have a lack of integrity. You can't really go grade based once you start having Canadian teams. Once you go age based any date is as good as another.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is absolutely not a National Championship!!! It is the WORLD Championship!!!


THIS IS A JOKE IS WHAT IT IS !!! NO INTEGRITY!!!


There is no real national or world championship but I don't see how they have a lack of integrity. You can't really go grade based once you start having Canadian teams. Once you go age based any date is as good as another.


Not when rules have been out since October and now you change them ...That is a lack of INTEGRITY .....These rules should not go into effect till next year as teams have already been formed in conjunction with previous rules. This is all to favor someone . I agree any date does not matter unless you already have teams based on previous rules
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is absolutely not a National Championship!!! It is the WORLD Championship!!!


THIS IS A JOKE IS WHAT IT IS !!! NO INTEGRITY!!!


There is no real national or world championship but I don't see how they have a lack of integrity. You can't really go grade based once you start having Canadian teams. Once you go age based any date is as good as another.


Not when rules have been out since October and now you change them ...That is a lack of INTEGRITY .....These rules should not go into effect till next year as teams have already been formed in conjunction with previous rules. This is all to favor someone . I agree any date does not matter unless you already have teams based on previous rules


late to the party- can you highlight the rule change from October?

the tournament itself is a great concept - should be age based (based on birth year), should be run by US Lacrosse bc most players probably need to have US Lacrosse membership the rosters could be easily validated. Missing part is photo id for players - all kids upload photo to us lax to be put on their membership card. Bring Membership card to field like soccer. Any player without the id is dq'd. Take 5 minutes to check id/s before game. Seems pretty simple to address.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is absolutely not a National Championship!!! It is the WORLD Championship!!!


THIS IS A JOKE IS WHAT IT IS !!! NO INTEGRITY!!!


There is no real national or world championship but I don't see how they have a lack of integrity. You can't really go grade based once you start having Canadian teams. Once you go age based any date is as good as another.


Not when rules have been out since October and now you change them ...That is a lack of INTEGRITY .....These rules should not go into effect till next year as teams have already been formed in conjunction with previous rules. This is all to favor someone . I agree any date does not matter unless you already have teams based on previous rules



I agree with the above, it's about integrity.
Last year the rules went out and teams conformed and built teams based upon the rules last year. To change the rules now after teams are rostered, and now to include 8th graders that played last year, makes the tournament irrelevant. In one year they ruined a good solid tournament.

And to all the posters saying that last years players are getting recruited and won't attend, yes some will be recruited and when the call comes from BS to play, they will be there. Let's not kid ourselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is absolutely not a National Championship!!! It is the WORLD Championship!!!


THIS IS A JOKE IS WHAT IT IS !!! NO INTEGRITY!!!


There is no real national or world championship but I don't see how they have a lack of integrity. You can't really go grade based once you start having Canadian teams. Once you go age based any date is as good as another.


Not when rules have been out since October and now you change them ...That is a lack of INTEGRITY .....These rules should not go into effect till next year as teams have already been formed in conjunction with previous rules. This is all to favor someone . I agree any date does not matter unless you already have teams based on previous rules


World Champs!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 05:31 PM
Tell ESPN and Coca Cola that it ruined....stop crying and bring your team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 07:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is absolutely not a National Championship!!! It is the WORLD Championship!!!


THIS IS A JOKE IS WHAT IT IS !!! NO INTEGRITY!!!


There is no real national or world championship but I don't see how they have a lack of integrity. You can't really go grade based once you start having Canadian teams. Once you go age based any date is as good as another.


Not when rules have been out since October and now you change them ...That is a lack of INTEGRITY .....These rules should not go into effect till next year as teams have already been formed in conjunction with previous rules. This is all to favor someone . I agree any date does not matter unless you already have teams based on previous rules



I agree with the above, it's about integrity.
Last year the rules went out and teams conformed and built teams based upon the rules last year. To change the rules now after teams are rostered, and now to include 8th graders that played last year, makes the tournament irrelevant. In one year they ruined a good solid tournament.

And to all the posters saying that last years players are getting recruited and won't attend, yes some will be recruited and when the call comes from BS to play, they will be there. Let's not kid ourselves.


They changed the rules 3 months before the qualifiers and 6 months before the tournament itself. If clubs want to participate they have plenty of time to put together teams. The baseball rosters won't be set for the Little League World Series teams for months. The new rules make sense when you realize how much cutoff dates differ among areas of the US let alone other countries. Grade is in the eye of the beholder as has been well documented on this sight. My suspicion is that the desire to include Canadian teams drove the decision as they would either be at a big disadvantage or advantage depending on how their grades were equated.

My prediction is that the tournament will be won by a club with a lot of younger 2020's who are used to playing with older kids and now will be the oldest kids on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/16 09:34 PM
So now should clubs build a "new team" for this event from their best 7th and 8th grade teams or go with their 7th grade teams and play kids 40-50 pounds bigger and stronger and risk major injury???Very interested in WSYL's opinion on this. What would they recommend the Club coaches do? Create brand new teams just for this event. Or boycott because the event does not fit how they are set up? The implications are significant. And confusing and very complicated. Sort of a total mess.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 12:08 AM
The easiest way to find out who has the best 2021 team in the nation is go to the NLF Super Series event in Pa. If Icon & Igloo go possibly the best 8 teams in the nation will be playing each other. The teams are Crabs, 91, Express, Laxachusettes, Leading Edge, Eclipse, Primetime if you add Igloo & Icon that would truly be the best 2021 teams playing each other. Let's get Igloo & Icon to participate and no one complains.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 12:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So now should clubs build a "new team" for this event from their best 7th and 8th grade teams or go with their 7th grade teams and play kids 40-50 pounds bigger and stronger and risk major injury???Very interested in WSYL's opinion on this. What would they recommend the Club coaches do? Create brand new teams just for this event. Or boycott because the event does not fit how they are set up? The implications are significant. And confusing and very complicated. Sort of a total mess.


just a mess for this year bc of last minute change. going fwd will be combo teams that meet the age requirement. they way all lax tourneys should be.. age based like every other sport.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 01:14 AM
World Championships! National TV! Level playing field! Why are there still complaints? Hmmmm

Whining babies. Just can't satisfy everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 01:18 AM
NLF Event is on Long Island - June 11th - will be a great field
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 02:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF Event is on Long Island - June 11th - will be a great field


Let me guess, all the 91 and express players that they preselected teams for will be there. Of course, they are the best. Interesting how the team rosters panned out at NLF. No accidents there. Bad event. If you don't play for 91 or Express, do not do this. You will be screwed!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 03:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF Event is on Long Island - June 11th - will be a great field


Let me guess, all the 91 and express players that they preselected teams for will be there. Of course, they are the best. Interesting how the team rosters panned out at NLF. No accidents there. Bad event. If you don't play for 91 or Express, do not do this. You will be screwed!


First off It's a tournament. Second off the NLF is not an open registration, it's invite only . It's also a shame but many of the igloo parents are taking on the whiny personality of their cheating leader stop crying, because of TA The express, 91 and a bunch of other clubs do not want igloo attending their events which is really unfortunate for your talented boys
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 03:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
6th graders are not allow to play middle school, tool


My 6th grader will be so disappointed. Oh that's right, he is playing in middle school. What the [lacrosse] rock do you live under where they can't?


Section rules. Kids can not play middle school sports till 7th grade. That's when middle school starts offically.


I have seen six graders playing on JV in non hot bed areas.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 09:30 AM
Long island NO sixth graders can play middle school sports. Don't care how good you think your little johnny is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 12:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long island NO sixth graders can play middle school sports. Don't care how good you think your little johnny is.


That's why club ball is important. At that age there is still so much to learn ant they are truly ready for it. Plus how would you get ready for WSYL?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF Event is on Long Island - June 11th - will be a great field


Let me guess, all the 91 and express players that they preselected teams for will be there. Of course, they are the best. Interesting how the team rosters panned out at NLF. No accidents there. Bad event. If you don't play for 91 or Express, do not do this. You will be screwed!


First off It's a tournament. Second off the NLF is not an open registration, it's invite only . It's also a shame but many of the igloo parents are taking on the whiny personality of their cheating leader stop crying, because of TA The express, 91 and a bunch of other clubs do not want igloo attending their events which is really unfortunate for your talented boys


I am sure it will change it used to be that way between 91 and express
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long island NO sixth graders can play middle school sports. Don't care how good you think your little johnny is.


I thought that was a NYS rule not just LI. 6th grade is still primary years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 02:09 PM
Who cares about NLF go start your own thread ....NO BACK TO ARE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM. WORLD SERIES OF YOUTH LACROSSE RULE CHANGES
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares about NLF go start your own thread ....NO BACK TO ARE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM. WORLD SERIES OF YOUTH LACROSSE RULE CHANGES


Its over, stop crying and sign up or watch on ESPN. Sponsored by Coca Cola!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/19/16 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares about NLF go start your own thread ....NO BACK TO ARE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM. WORLD SERIES OF YOUTH LACROSSE RULE CHANGES


Its over, stop crying and sign up or watch on ESPN. Sponsored by Coca Cola!

Js BS and crew are a bunch of clowns who have forever comprised the integrity and the honor of the game . But as i was told there is no honor AMUNGST thieves
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/16 02:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares about NLF go start your own thread ....NO BACK TO ARE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM. WORLD SERIES OF YOUTH LACROSSE RULE CHANGES


Its over, stop crying and sign up or watch on ESPN. Sponsored by Coca Cola!

Js BS and crew are a bunch of clowns who have forever comprised the integrity and the honor of the game . But as i was told there is no honor AMUNGST thieves


I like Pepsi better anyway .....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/16 03:24 AM
Curiously speculation of clubs legally playing 20's in this event Legally!! What about TA playing 2020 kids on the Igloo 2021 team the past few years in addition recruiting a player from Pennsylania. I believe the microscope should clearly be on a person who has a clear track record of actually cheating NOT stretching the rules flat out breaking them. For years the club my son plays for (express) and their rival 91 gets criticized while this person flys free. Making ,any of us realize much of the criticism and accusations come from igloo affiliated people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/16 11:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Curiously speculation of clubs legally playing 20's in this event Legally!! What about TA playing 2020 kids on the Igloo 2021 team the past few years in addition recruiting a player from Pennsylania. I believe the microscope should clearly be on a person who has a clear track record of actually cheating NOT stretching the rules flat out breaking them. For years the club my son plays for (express) and their rival 91 gets criticized while this person flys free. Making ,any of us realize much of the criticism and accusations come from igloo affiliated people.


yawn......whatever excuse you need. see you in denver, oh wait prob not
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/16 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Curiously speculation of clubs legally playing 20's in this event Legally!! What about TA playing 2020 kids on the Igloo 2021 team the past few years in addition recruiting a player from Pennsylania. I believe the microscope should clearly be on a person who has a clear track record of actually cheating NOT stretching the rules flat out breaking them. For years the club my son plays for (express) and their rival 91 gets criticized while this person flys free. Making ,any of us realize much of the criticism and accusations come from igloo affiliated people.


Oh, the LI NLF alliance members are joining forces in posts now, how sweet! But beware! The New Lacrosse Fund will be sure to take all your money by promising to berate any player or organization not part of the alliance and garner you that feaux scholarship. Go ahead, it's your money to spend to fly down to Florida and to watch a wall ball demonstration (you gotta admit, better time with other technique drills could have been spent during that segment!)

The criticism on this forum and in public comes from those who know the reputation of your director, sir, and from those who experienced him firsthand. The voice is not any specific organization, but the voice of the knowing public from across the nation.

Fellow readers, don't be fooled by this NLF propaganda. Igloo has always played by US Lacrosse rules & age brackets. That's been a known fact.

If you think the 2021 Express 'go to' players are not pre-k redshirts or older, you're blind and in denial. You being part of that team for so long should have observed that by now. What about this year's add-ons? We will see.

After all, it's the NLF way, as the founding members have publicly declared they 'all have the same philosophy'.

Just this past summer I'm sure you reiterated what you've been saying on the sidelines for years when Express played Laxachusetts and Crabs. 'They have holdbacks and cheat.' But now you are part of the NLF family and support the cause by actively participating and donating. Don't be a hypocrite, it's unbecoming of a gentleman.

If you think your director doesn't cheat you're lying to yourself. He promotes and meets with families to recommend holding the athlete back. When one defers, the athlete will see the bench. The writing is on the wall. Current rostered players will have even less time when the holdbacks come next year in 8th grade-unless he breaks the promise and cuts/moves the kid to the B team like he did with another player this year.

The list of grievances of the Express organization has been going on for years.

Your director is one of the most hated men in lacrosse. Why do you put up with it? The hopes of $6k in scholarship money?

If your family (and child) loves lacrosse so much, ask yourself this:

Why am I participating in the toxic Express environment and supporting the NLF philosphy that I don't agree with?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/16 06:49 PM
Come on TA is a joke. Ive been reading these posts, my son is on a younger Igloo team and we were lied to We ares tuck now but it wont happen again. Also have friends on that 21 Igloo team and IT is certain he played illegal players throughout the summer, which is a shame because that team is very good. He is so insecure in his own skin and it becomes more apparent by the day. Say what you want about the NLF "propaganda" but it is comprised of the best clubs, which attracts the best coaches etc. TA needs to clean his act up before parents realize the benefits of established clubs. Say what you want about MC he has helped countless kids to their schools of choice. Does he stretch the rules probably, does he cheat them like TA NO.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/16 08:49 PM
Lot of venom on this board for off-seaon!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/16 08:55 PM
So what are the top clubs in your mind? I'm not saying teams, I'm asking clubs. The ones who try to do it right.
91, express, outlaws how do they compare? Icon, legacy? Who are the good clubs to play for? And I'm not talking about winning.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/16 09:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are the top clubs in your mind? I'm not saying teams, I'm asking clubs. The ones who try to do it right.
91, express, outlaws how do they compare? Icon, legacy? Who are the good clubs to play for? And I'm not talking about winning.


They are all cheating money grabbers, none better than the other.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/16 10:22 PM
If you can't beat them bash them as hard as you can.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/21/16 12:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are the top clubs in your mind? I'm not saying teams, I'm asking clubs. The ones who try to do it right.
91, express, outlaws how do they compare? Icon, legacy? Who are the good clubs to play for? And I'm not talking about winning.


They are all cheating money grabbers, none better than the other.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what are the top clubs in your mind? I'm not saying teams, I'm asking clubs. The ones who try to do it right.
91, express, outlaws how do they compare? Icon, legacy? Who are the good clubs to play for? And I'm not talking about winning.


They are all cheating money grabbers, none better than the other.

Very true $$$$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/21/16 12:44 AM
When Lacrosse is more than to play than Ice Hockey than something is wrong .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/21/16 01:46 PM
These boards are what keeps my relaxed, laughter is truly the medicine.
Best Clubs.. depends on your definition;
in my opinion, the best clubs are the ones that truly care about the sport and players, the ones the teach and encourage the players to play for the game, work hard, play hard, support your teammates, be kind to your opponents because some day they may be your teammates. Coaches who berate, belittle, constantly yell and scream, single out player faults, in my eyes, should not be allowed. on LI, there are a lot of clubs compared to most other regions, some clubs have several teams in each age group, some of the better 'coached' teams are not the #1 team for the club, the #1 may be better but not always teaching the game but rather focused on winning. winning is good but not always if the players are not enjoying the game. In my opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/21/16 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Curiously speculation of clubs legally playing 20's in this event Legally!! What about TA playing 2020 kids on the Igloo 2021 team the past few years in addition recruiting a player from Pennsylania. I believe the microscope should clearly be on a person who has a clear track record of actually cheating NOT stretching the rules flat out breaking them. For years the club my son plays for (express) and their rival 91 gets criticized while this person flys free. Making ,any of us realize much of the criticism and accusations come from igloo affiliated people.


Oh, the LI NLF alliance members are joining forces in posts now, how sweet! But beware! The New Lacrosse Fund will be sure to take all your money by promising to berate any player or organization not part of the alliance and garner you that feaux scholarship. Go ahead, it's your money to spend to fly down to Florida and to watch a wall ball demonstration (you gotta admit, better time with other technique drills could have been spent during that segment!)

The criticism on this forum and in public comes from those who know the reputation of your director, sir, and from those who experienced him firsthand. The voice is not any specific organization, but the voice of the knowing public from across the nation.

Fellow readers, don't be fooled by this NLF propaganda. Igloo has always played by US Lacrosse rules & age brackets. That's been a known fact.

If you think the 2021 Express 'go to' players are not pre-k redshirts or older, you're blind and in denial. You being part of that team for so long should have observed that by now. What about this year's add-ons? We will see.

After all, it's the NLF way, as the founding members have publicly declared they 'all have the same philosophy'.

Just this past summer I'm sure you reiterated what you've been saying on the sidelines for years when Express played Laxachusetts and Crabs. 'They have holdbacks and cheat.' But now you are part of the NLF family and support the cause by actively participating and donating. Don't be a hypocrite, it's unbecoming of a gentleman.

If you think your director doesn't cheat you're lying to yourself. He promotes and meets with families to recommend holding the athlete back. When one defers, the athlete will see the bench. The writing is on the wall. Current rostered players will have even less time when the holdbacks come next year in 8th grade-unless he breaks the promise and cuts/moves the kid to the B team like he did with another player this year.

The list of grievances of the Express organization has been going on for years.

Your director is one of the most hated men in lacrosse. Why do you put up with it? The hopes of $6k in scholarship money?

If your family (and child) loves lacrosse so much, ask yourself this:

Why am I participating in the toxic Express environment and supporting the NLF philosphy that I don't agree with?


Yes, Igloo does and has always played by USlacrosse rules. But those rules are U10, U11, U12, etc... Meaning players that are in 5th grade have always, and still do, play in 4th grade tournaments. Likewise for every other age group. When a player is set to graduate in 2021, he's not allowed to play on a 2022 team. It's simple. The rules for each tournament are pretty straight forward. You must play in the grade level of your oldest player. Team LI does it the same way, except they always played by the rules. Igloo does not, and never have. Holdbacks are one thing, flat out cheating is something else altogether.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/21/16 11:04 PM
Writing is on the wall , crush players will be playing with blaze.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/22/16 12:04 PM
OH REALLY
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/22/16 12:16 PM
Rules are 4 fools #rulesare4fools
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/08/16 07:49 PM
Does anyone know how many teams will advance from the qualifiers yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/08/16 08:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Writing is on the wall , crush players will be playing with blaze.


No doubt
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/08/16 11:52 PM
Legacy is reaching out calling people from different organizations to put team together.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/08/16 11:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how many teams will advance from the qualifiers yet?


4 teams plus at large qualifiers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/09/16 06:46 PM
Thanks for that info. Forgive my ignorance, but how do the at-large qualifiers work?Does that mean that there will be more than 4 teams from the North that will progress to Denver?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how many teams will advance from the qualifiers yet?


4 teams plus at large qualifiers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/10/16 02:17 AM
Think North and mid Atlantic would warrant extra bids. As the 5th place team in the north could win other regions
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/11/16 01:45 AM
Rules say all players must play for the team on a regular basis AND players cannot be added just to play in the WSYL. Thus any team with 8th graders will be disqualified as they would not be regular players on a 2021 team. Similarly with a u13 team where the cutoff is August 31. So if any team tries to cheat by adding 8th graders people will notice and they would be disqualified. Maybe in future years clubs will start to build teams for this event but it will not happen this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/11/16 03:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rules say all players must play for the team on a regular basis AND players cannot be added just to play in the WSYL. Thus any team with 8th graders will be disqualified as they would not be regular players on a 2021 team. Similarly with a u13 team where the cutoff is August 31. So if any team tries to cheat by adding 8th graders people will notice and they would be disqualified. Maybe in future years clubs will start to build teams for this event but it will not happen this year.


Has nothing to do with 2021 this is age based so ANYONE born on or after 5/1/2002 is eligible
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/11/16 03:27 AM
[quote=Anonymous]Rules say all players must play for the team on a regular basis AND players cannot be added just to play in the WSYL. Thus any team with 8th graders will be disqualified as they would not be regular players on a 2021 team. Similarly with a u13 team where the cutoff is August 31. So if any team tries to cheat by adding 8th graders people will notice and they would be disqualified. Maybe in future years clubs will start to build teams for this event but it will not happen this year. [/quote


You need to read the rules again buddy in full. There is nothing about graduating year, just date of birth. And you only need to play with team on a regular basis OR 2 tournys prior.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/11/16 04:43 AM
People were notified if team is a 2021 team regularly it Must be that in Qualifier and tournament The wording confuses it for people. But I know a few directors have been notified about this
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/11/16 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People were notified if team is a 2021 team regularly it Must be that in Qualifier and tournament The wording confuses it for people. But I know a few directors have been notified about this


No your confused
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/11/16 01:17 PM
The WSYL is now becoming an event that anyone can put an "all-star" team together to play in. I was under the impression that it was supposed to be like the Little League World Series, but clearly that is not what it is morphing into. Kind of sad actually, because I think it started out with good intentions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/11/16 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL is now becoming an event that anyone can put an "all-star" team together to play in. I was under the impression that it was supposed to be like the Little League World Series, but clearly that is not what it is morphing into. Kind of sad actually, because I think it started out with good intentions.


Sad how the whole climate of youth sports has turned into this.

I do not even know what travel is anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/12/16 11:48 PM
But it does say players cannot be added to a team just to play in the WSYL??? I think these rules may need to be reviewed by legal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/16/16 12:24 AM
What is age cut. Off date?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/16/16 11:49 PM
sept/2002
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/17/16 01:45 AM
I believe it is 5/1/02
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/17/16 05:58 PM
Wrong..you must include the whole country to have a National Championship. Not just your area. It is then a Regional Championship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/22/16 11:08 PM
I heard Igloo & Icon have decided not to attend the regionals. Can anyone confirm this? If so its sad that two very good teams won't play in this event.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/22/16 11:23 PM
It's a disgrace the changing of the rules and TZ is calling kids from other org to play. I guess he wants his 2020'team to win Something loll. The wording on the rules is interesting and I know clubs are waiting for teams to trip up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/22/16 11:50 PM
this whole event has turned into a circus, like the rest of youth lacrosse.
No morals or character, sad commentary for the sport!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/16 01:51 AM
Wouldn't have turned into such a circus if they didn't change the rules midway. Interested to see what kind a team TZ puts together and whether and how WSYL will try to enforce the "needs to play 2 tournaments" together if they qualify.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/16 02:23 AM
The rule change makes half of 8th grade eligible and the LI teams will have to be largely 8th grade to compete. The rule change bastardized the tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/16 02:36 AM
Don't slip on the "Black Ice"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/16 03:08 AM
Igloo is not going to walk out on their shot, no way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/16 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard Igloo & Icon have decided not to attend the regionals. Can anyone confirm this? If so its sad that two very good teams won't play in this event.


I would speculate that considering neither team owner –

1. ...is part of the NLF lobby (which has major connections with the MLL League founder who also happens to have started WYSL)
2. ...feels the need to change the rules in order to knock down better teams in 2021
3. ...has the sick ambition to control the travel lacrosse world by whatever means possible – the way the NLF teams do.
4. ...has the greed to grab more money from families
5. ...is willing to cut kids from a team created in August because it's unethical and unfair to those who already made the roster
6. ...thinks it's about them before the kids
7. ...believes their organization is the be all and end all of youth lacrosse the way NLF teams walk around with a holier than thou attitude.
8. ...and most lacrosse programs from around the country believes WYSL did the right thing.

...It makes plenty of sense if they do not attend the regionals!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard Igloo & Icon have decided not to attend the regionals. Can anyone confirm this? If so its sad that two very good teams won't play in this event.


I would speculate that considering neither team owner –

1. ...is part of the NLF lobby (which has major connections with the MLL League founder who also happens to have started WYSL)
2. ...feels the need to change the rules in order to knock down better teams in 2021
3. ...has the sick ambition to control the travel lacrosse world by whatever means possible – the way the NLF teams do.
4. ...has the greed to grab more money from families
5. ...is willing to cut kids from a team created in August because it's unethical and unfair to those who already made the roster
6. ...thinks it's about them before the kids
7. ...believes their organization is the be all and end all of youth lacrosse the way NLF teams walk around with a holier than thou attitude.
8. ...and most lacrosse programs from around the country believes WYSL did the right thing.

...It makes plenty of sense if they do not attend the regionals!


Wanna bet....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard Igloo & Icon have decided not to attend the regionals. Can anyone confirm this? If so its sad that two very good teams won't play in this event.


I would speculate that considering neither team owner –

1. ...is part of the NLF lobby (which has major connections with the MLL League founder who also happens to have started WYSL)
2. ...feels the need to change the rules in order to knock down better teams in 2021
3. ...has the sick ambition to control the travel lacrosse world by whatever means possible – the way the NLF teams do.
4. ...has the greed to grab more money from families
5. ...is willing to cut kids from a team created in August because it's unethical and unfair to those who already made the roster
6. ...thinks it's about them before the kids
7. ...believes their organization is the be all and end all of youth lacrosse the way NLF teams walk around with a holier than thou attitude.
8. ...and most lacrosse programs from around the country believes WYSL did the right thing.

...It makes plenty of sense if they do not attend the regionals!


Wanna bet....


Yea, sometimes character trumps greed. Hats off to Black Ice, doing thing the right way!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 03:53 AM
We all hope Black Ice plays and I bet they will. They are still the team to beat. All Black Ice kids are legal age but most were born before May 1, 2003 so only about two or thee kids from that team will be able to play next year with the 2022 group. This year will be the only chance for those kids born before May 1, 2003 to play as they will be too old next year. Doubtful the director will deprive kids the opportunity to play in this event. Also many people think black ice is the best only because they are older. It has been argued that Black Ice with an older Roster when playing 2021 teams on average is usually six months older than other 2021 teams and that is why they win. Now they will play kids thier own age or kids six months older than them. The fact that they won't have an age advantage will not keep them out of this event. In fact not having an age advantage is more reason to play. This is a chance to prove they are they best because they are the most talented and not only because they are older. They won't pass up this chance to play and prove they are the best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 03:57 AM
Or..... If Black Ice is as good as they claim why not challenge their boys playing 1/2 up. This team has claimed to be so great but rarely plays up seems like they like the big fish in a small pond
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 02:09 PM
Cross posted from 2021

Why all the hate? This is a 13U event with the birthday cutoff of 5/1. Most sports with a "good" governing body have age group based on birthdays. Soccer is birth year. But soccer is international where things like the U.S. version of grades may not translate.

If lacrosse wants to grow from its current small foot print, a strong USL, with rules instead of guidelines, is needed. Who knows, a military base in Europe may field a local team in the future with a mix of local kids. Grades may not exactly translate, but he age cutoff does.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 03:50 PM
I know why people are upset, because it is perceived that the Crush coach has had some influence on the changes in the rules tot he WSYL in the last few months. Maybe he had nothing to do with it, BUT if the "younger" Crush kids now play with the 2021 91 team, it will probably make the 2021 91 team better. Thus, they may end up on TV again. I would say without the addition of those players it is MORE likely that Igloo will appear on TV. I would bet money of the fact that the Crush coach also coaches MLL and this is an event run with a strong MLL connection, it is not out of the realm of possibility that this indeed did take place. Also, why the change mid year? IF the organizers wanted to change to just age (and not year 2021 teams) then that should have happened from the start. I agree, it looks a little fishy to me... And, I will say what I have said before, if this event is supposed to be run like the LLWS, then these rule changes should not be happening at all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cross posted from 2021

Why all the hate? This is a 13U event with the birthday cutoff of 5/1. Most sports with a "good" governing body have age group based on birthdays. Soccer is birth year. But soccer is international where things like the U.S. version of grades may not translate.

If lacrosse wants to grow from its current small foot print, a strong USL, with rules instead of guidelines, is needed. Who knows, a military base in Europe may field a local team in the future with a mix of local kids. Grades may not exactly translate, but he age cutoff does.


Agreed. That's what we all want and ultimately it will be for the better. But there's a reason for the backlash.

The fact remains that the rules were already set for this year. Did you overlook that or did not know? There was absolutely no reason to change rules eight weeks prior to qualifiers except to benefit larger entrenched orgs that can pull from the eighth grade class, and diminish the mid-size or rising organizations.

Tell us why WYSL couldn't just wait until after this year's tourney was over to modify the rules once and for all. It gave a huge impression that the decision was underhanded and the rules can be changed 'at will' in the future. It was here on BOTC that a leak was made and targeted toward a certain organization just prior to the rule change, that 'a big change was coming'. It's true you can't believe most things on an anonymous forum, but at a minimum it shows that at least one organization was 'in the know' and most likely influenced the process.

Did they really have to push the date of birth up 30 days this year? Did they really have to take grade out of the equation after most teams selected the players from the class of 2021 back in Aug-Nov?

Could those points not have waited one more season? Finally, tell us why all of a sudden the players no longer have to play with the team year round, BUT only in two tourneys, qualifier included.

All the new rules are fine...WYSL should have just waited until this summer to implement them for 2017, because the rules for 2016 were already established. That would be the right thing to do. Meanwhile, influencers and those in charge have their mouths shut because they know three years from now this year's event will be forgotten and swept under the rug.

Oh, and I do not have any skin in this year's game.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 04:38 PM
I'm not connected to LI, but I am the HC of a 9/1 compliant 2021 team not considering WSYL. My observations.

(1) Lacrosse competition should be about skill, not age. When you have 5/1 or 6/1 cutoffs or have 2021 teams loaded with older kids, it becomes in large part about age and how many older kids you have. This is never as prominent as when they are 13 and some players are pre-puberty kids and some look like grown men. Many top 2021 teams from metro areas have 5-8 pre 9/1 kids.

(2) I disagree with the 5/1 cutoff . I disagree with [lacrosse]'s moving from 8/1 to 6/1. But I get it, given how many people "hold back" boys with Summer birthdays, at least in the private school world. Still, I believe an 8/1 cutoff is the right one.

(3) The fact WSYL moving away from requiring kids to be 7th graders in the prior school year and a true part of a team to current standards looks nakedly political. Kudos to Igloo if they call BS and stay away. It's a TV event. Why should they fly all the way to Denver to attend a tournament that changes the rules to suit their competition? Kudos if they decide to go too, but what WSYL did is BS.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not connected to LI, but I am the HC of a 9/1 compliant 2021 team not considering WSYL. My observations.

(1) Lacrosse competition should be about skill, not age. When you have 5/1 or 6/1 cutoffs or have 2021 teams loaded with older kids, it becomes in large part about age and how many older kids you have. This is never as prominent as when they are 13 and some players are pre-puberty kids and some look like grown men. Many top 2021 teams from metro areas have 5-8 pre 9/1 kids.

(2) I disagree with the 5/1 cutoff . I disagree with [lacrosse]'s moving from 8/1 to 6/1. But I get it, given how many people "hold back" boys with Summer birthdays, at least in the private school world. Still, I believe an 8/1 cutoff is the right one.

(3) The fact WSYL moving away from requiring kids to be 7th graders in the prior school year and a true part of a team to current standards looks nakedly political. Kudos to Igloo if they call BS and stay away. It's a TV event. Why should they fly all the way to Denver to attend a tournament that changes the rules to suit their competition? Kudos if they decide to go too, but what WSYL did is BS.

I get everyone e is upset with theast minute change but the reality is this tourney is going age based which is what all of you push for. Regardless of cutoff everyone wit be on even playing field. Better next year when age based teams formed for this

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 09:03 PM
So if these rules were in effect last year does crush lose to crabs lie they did previously?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 09:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not connected to LI, but I am the HC of a 9/1 compliant 2021 team not considering WSYL. My observations.

(1) Lacrosse competition should be about skill, not age. When you have 5/1 or 6/1 cutoffs or have 2021 teams loaded with older kids, it becomes in large part about age and how many older kids you have. This is never as prominent as when they are 13 and some players are pre-puberty kids and some look like grown men. Many top 2021 teams from metro areas have 5-8 pre 9/1 kids.

(2) I disagree with the 5/1 cutoff . I disagree with [lacrosse]'s moving from 8/1 to 6/1. But I get it, given how many people "hold back" boys with Summer birthdays, at least in the private school world. Still, I believe an 8/1 cutoff is the right one.

(3) The fact WSYL moving away from requiring kids to be 7th graders in the prior school year and a true part of a team to current standards looks nakedly political. Kudos to Igloo if they call BS and stay away. It's a TV event. Why should they fly all the way to Denver to attend a tournament that changes the rules to suit their competition? Kudos if they decide to go too, but what WSYL did is BS.




wah, wah, mommy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 09:36 PM
The age cut off is what got the crabs in a Running Time sort of way grade did not because they were 14/15 year old 7th graders. Good job mom and dad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if these rules were in effect last year does crush lose to crabs lie they did previously?


The question should be whether a Maryland coach would have put together an all-star squad and played in the qualifier and then one other tournament, before going to WSYL.

The player's normal club team might not have liked it, but could been done without too much conflict and I would think 10-15 practices would have been plenty for a high-lax IQ bunch of all-stars to learn to play as a team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/16 11:23 PM
What I was implying was all that crying by a certain organization last year, and they turn around and do the same this year with a little more too. Hmmmmm
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 12:35 AM
Igloo has been playing with older kids for years so they can't cry foul now. They should play older kids in this tournament just like 2021 teams have been playing them for years despite Igloo being older. Personally I still think Igloo will win this even with the change in age. At this level it is hard to add kids to an existing roster and play complicated defenses and offenses. Teams that add older kids will have a simplified game plan and a team like Igloo will take advantage of that. If Igloo is concerned about reputation backing out will be the worst thing for them. Igloo should play and they should still win it all. Problem is that they have played younger teams for so long they don't now how they will do against kids of similar age. That is why they are backing out not because they are mad about the rule change. If they thought they could win they would play despite ANY rule change. Having said that if another team wins it will be tainted if Igloo is not there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 01:21 AM
I know igloo is not the only 2021 team with "Older Kids" know quit a few but being they have been so successful of course they are THE ONLY ONE's DOING IT ! FOR SURE THEY ARE! Anything to discount there success
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 01:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know igloo is not the only 2021 team with "Older Kids" know quit a few but being they have been so successful of course they are THE ONLY ONE's DOING IT ! FOR SURE THEY ARE! Anything to discount there success


Ok, who else has older kids? Did any other team have 2020s on a 2021 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 01:36 AM
Interesting analysis on Igloo. Igloo will be at the qualifier. Let's move on to something else. What is Express doing?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 04:31 AM
Ask any igloo parent about the age of black ice and they will tell you most of the kids are born before May 1 2003 and they have many 2002 to February 2003 kids. In fact a major complaint about the rule change that keeps being repeated by black ice parents is that almost all these kids will be too old to play next year. There is nothing wrong with having an older legal team but it does make them an older team as far as average age of 2021 teams. Now they have a chance to play teams that are similar age to them. Some of these teams they will be playing will have the same age advantage that igloo has when they play other 2021 teams. No one is discounting the success of the team but if they don't do well against similar age teams then of course people will be saying they are the best because they are older. Let them play and see how they do. They have been together a long time. It is doubtful a team just recently put together will beat them even if older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know igloo is not the only 2021 team with "Older Kids" know quit a few but being they have been so successful of course they are THE ONLY ONE's DOING IT ! FOR SURE THEY ARE! Anything to discount there success
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 04:37 AM
Express will be at the qualifier. The big question is will they be taking 2020 kids? Does anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting analysis on Igloo. Igloo will be at the qualifier. Let's move on to something else. What is Express doing?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express will be at the qualifier. The big question is will they be taking 2020 kids? Does anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting analysis on Igloo. Igloo will be at the qualifier. Let's move on to something else. What is Express doing?


Express is taking 2020 kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 11:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know igloo is not the only 2021 team with "Older Kids" know quit a few but being they have been so successful of course they are THE ONLY ONE's DOING IT ! FOR SURE THEY ARE! Anything to discount there success


Ok, who else has older kids? Did any other team have 2020s on a 2021 team?


EXPRESS 2021 for a Fact
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 12:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know igloo is not the only 2021 team with "Older Kids" know quit a few but being they have been so successful of course they are THE ONLY ONE's DOING IT ! FOR SURE THEY ARE! Anything to discount there success


Ok, who else has older kids? Did any other team have 2020s on a 2021 team?


EXPRESS 2021 for a Fact


Hey Fact, no 2020 kids? You sure? No point in making false statements. That goes for all teams. At this point we all know each other and what grades kids are in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 12:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know igloo is not the only 2021 team with "Older Kids" know quit a few but being they have been so successful of course they are THE ONLY ONE's DOING IT ! FOR SURE THEY ARE! Anything to discount there success


Ok, who else has older kids? Did any other team have 2020s on a 2021 team?


EXPRESS 2021 for a Fact


Hey Fact, no 2020 kids? You sure? No point in making false statements. That goes for all teams. At this point we all know each other and what grades kids are in.


Well then you must not know your kids to well cause its a FACT
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know igloo is not the only 2021 team with "Older Kids" know quit a few but being they have been so successful of course they are THE ONLY ONE's DOING IT ! FOR SURE THEY ARE! Anything to discount there success


Ok, who else has older kids? Did any other team have 2020s on a 2021 team?


EXPRESS 2021 for a Fact


Hey Fact, no 2020 kids? You sure? No point in making false statements. That goes for all teams. At this point we all know each other and what grades kids are in.


Well then you must not know your kids to well cause its a FACT


K, sorry. Misread your post initially. Not from Express......We all know most teams will take 2020 kids to wsyl. This is unfortunate and is disrupting many teams and organizations. I will say though that the majority difference makers on 2020 teams are older then the 5/1/02 cutoff. Legit 2021 players and teams will do fine.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/16 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know igloo is not the only 2021 team with "Older Kids" know quit a few but being they have been so successful of course they are THE ONLY ONE's DOING IT ! FOR SURE THEY ARE! Anything to discount there success


Ok, who else has older kids? Did any other team have 2020s on a 2021 team?


EXPRESS 2021 for a Fact


Hey Fact, no 2020 kids? You sure? No point in making false statements. That goes for all teams. At this point we all know each other and what grades kids are in.


Well then you must not know your kids to well cause its a FACT


K, sorry. Misread your post initially. Not from Express......We all know most teams will take 2020 kids to wsyl. This is unfortunate and is disrupting many teams and organizations. I will say though that the majority difference makers on 2020 teams are older then the 5/1/02 cutoff. Legit 2021 players and teams will do fine.


yeah cause most of the 2020 difference makers have 2001 or 1st qtr 2002 birthdates. Except for maybe the best one out of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/26/16 09:58 PM
No for two reasons:
1) Crush was VERY well prepared for this tourney
2) The crush did that to the Crabs and the Crabs still had quite a few holdbacks during the tourney.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/01/16 02:46 AM
Maybe 91 knew before the others to get it in gear for early July, but now everyone knew this seasons tournament was coming. Playing field is more level this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/01/16 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe 91 knew before the others to get it in gear for early July, but now everyone knew this seasons tournament was coming. Playing field is more level this year.
Just the opposite. Playing field is heavily skewed towards the teams that engineered the rules changes . . . . the larger programs that can pull more of their older kids from their 2020 teams to play down. Sad how they pushed through the rule changes and kept silent on this until the competing teams were selected.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/03/16 10:18 PM
I just heard that Crabs 2021 isn't even trying for the WSYL this year because they can't field a competitive team that meets the age cutoff. HAHA!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe 91 knew before the others to get it in gear for early July, but now everyone knew this seasons tournament was coming. Playing field is more level this year.
Just the opposite. Playing field is heavily skewed towards the teams that engineered the rules changes . . . . the larger programs that can pull more of their older kids from their 2020 teams to play down. Sad how they pushed through the rule changes and kept silent on this until the competing teams were selected.


how do you play down in an age based tourney?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 03:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe 91 knew before the others to get it in gear for early July, but now everyone knew this seasons tournament was coming. Playing field is more level this year.
Just the opposite. Playing field is heavily skewed towards the teams that engineered the rules changes . . . . the larger programs that can pull more of their older kids from their 2020 teams to play down. Sad how they pushed through the rule changes and kept silent on this until the competing teams were selected.


how do you play down in an age based tourney?


This is what is still on the WSYL site

"All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate."

I am sure it will only move by 1 year for the next tournament. I think this is an entirely fair cutoff. It allows the kids who were not well adjusted enough to start kindergarten to stay on grade while keeping the kids trying to totally work the system to be kicked out to try again next year.

WSYL knows what they are doing with at 5/1 grade cutoff.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 04:22 AM
It was originally marketed as 2021 , just how last year it was 2020. but Eventually like any good business you have growing pains. And until they get everyone on the same page this is what you got. It's a pay to play. If you don't want to play don't pay.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 11:56 AM
The one change that I think is a shame is being able to take a tournament team and not have to bring your team that is on the roster from try outs. The beauty of it last year was that for most of the teams that went, these were the kids that had been playing and practicing together all year, possibly more. The team was united and each win or loss was handled well as these kids were true teammates, not just a tournament team required to play two tournaments together. I personally think the age cut off is a bit too wide and a 7/1 is better. There were kids turning 14 during the tourney while some were just turning 13 or not going to turn 13 for another month or two. That said- it was an incredible experience and worth the trip. I hope it is just as exciting for this year's teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 01:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one change that I think is a shame is being able to take a tournament team and not have to bring your team that is on the roster from try outs. The beauty of it last year was that for most of the teams that went, these were the kids that had been playing and practicing together all year, possibly more. The team was united and each win or loss was handled well as these kids were true teammates, not just a tournament team required to play two tournaments together. I personally think the age cut off is a bit too wide and a 7/1 is better. There were kids turning 14 during the tourney while some were just turning 13 or not going to turn 13 for another month or two. That said- it was an incredible experience and worth the trip. I hope it is just as exciting for this year's teams.


but if it was 7/1 then someones son would be ineligible and miss a second trip to Denver. Not an option! That date was not arbitrary by any means, it was to accommodate certain individuals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one change that I think is a shame is being able to take a tournament team and not have to bring your team that is on the roster from try outs. The beauty of it last year was that for most of the teams that went, these were the kids that had been playing and practicing together all year, possibly more. The team was united and each win or loss was handled well as these kids were true teammates, not just a tournament team required to play two tournaments together. I personally think the age cut off is a bit too wide and a 7/1 is better. There were kids turning 14 during the tourney while some were just turning 13 or not going to turn 13 for another month or two. That said- it was an incredible experience and worth the trip. I hope it is just as exciting for this year's teams.


but if it was 7/1 then someones son would be ineligible and miss a second trip to Denver. Not an option! That date was not arbitrary by any means, it was to accommodate certain individuals.


Kids that play up do not need this extended cut off, they would make the cut off without an extension- certain individuals would still make the tournament guidelines without any extensions at all. This was to accommodate all the late starters in MD and other states that follow the trend of pre first. This change was not made to accommodate any one kid and the conspiracy theories are really a bit over the top.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one change that I think is a shame is being able to take a tournament team and not have to bring your team that is on the roster from try outs. The beauty of it last year was that for most of the teams that went, these were the kids that had been playing and practicing together all year, possibly more. The team was united and each win or loss was handled well as these kids were true teammates, not just a tournament team required to play two tournaments together. I personally think the age cut off is a bit too wide and a 7/1 is better. There were kids turning 14 during the tourney while some were just turning 13 or not going to turn 13 for another month or two. That said- it was an incredible experience and worth the trip. I hope it is just as exciting for this year's teams.


but if it was 7/1 then someones son would be ineligible and miss a second trip to Denver. Not an option! That date was not arbitrary by any means, it was to accommodate certain individuals.


Kids that play up do not need this extended cut off, they would make the cut off without an extension- certain individuals would still make the tournament guidelines without any extensions at all. This was to accommodate all the late starters in MD and other states that follow the trend of pre first. This change was not made to accommodate any one kid and the conspiracy theories are really a bit over the top.


In theory you may have a point, unless of course a kid is a holdback and will be turning 13 right after the cutoff date, hmmm?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one change that I think is a shame is being able to take a tournament team and not have to bring your team that is on the roster from try outs. The beauty of it last year was that for most of the teams that went, these were the kids that had been playing and practicing together all year, possibly more. The team was united and each win or loss was handled well as these kids were true teammates, not just a tournament team required to play two tournaments together. I personally think the age cut off is a bit too wide and a 7/1 is better. There were kids turning 14 during the tourney while some were just turning 13 or not going to turn 13 for another month or two. That said- it was an incredible experience and worth the trip. I hope it is just as exciting for this year's teams.


but if it was 7/1 then someones son would be ineligible and miss a second trip to Denver. Not an option! That date was not arbitrary by any means, it was to accommodate certain individuals.


Kids that play up do not need this extended cut off, they would make the cut off without an extension- certain individuals would still make the tournament guidelines without any extensions at all. This was to accommodate all the late starters in MD and other states that follow the trend of pre first. This change was not made to accommodate any one kid and the conspiracy theories are really a bit over the top.


In theory you may have a point, unless of course a kid is a holdback and will be turning 13 right after the cutoff date, hmmm?


Yeah and.......some kids who will play in this tournament will be turning 14 right after the cutoff date. Not sure you still have a point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one change that I think is a shame is being able to take a tournament team and not have to bring your team that is on the roster from try outs. The beauty of it last year was that for most of the teams that went, these were the kids that had been playing and practicing together all year, possibly more. The team was united and each win or loss was handled well as these kids were true teammates, not just a tournament team required to play two tournaments together. I personally think the age cut off is a bit too wide and a 7/1 is better. There were kids turning 14 during the tourney while some were just turning 13 or not going to turn 13 for another month or two. That said- it was an incredible experience and worth the trip. I hope it is just as exciting for this year's teams.


but if it was 7/1 then someones son would be ineligible and miss a second trip to Denver. Not an option! That date was not arbitrary by any means, it was to accommodate certain individuals.


Kids that play up do not need this extended cut off, they would make the cut off without an extension- certain individuals would still make the tournament guidelines without any extensions at all. This was to accommodate all the late starters in MD and other states that follow the trend of pre first. This change was not made to accommodate any one kid and the conspiracy theories are really a bit over the top.


In theory you may have a point, unless of course a kid is a holdback and will be turning 13 right after the cutoff date, hmmm?


Yeah and.......some kids who will play in this tournament will be turning 14 right after the cutoff date. Not sure you still have a point.


My original point still stands that this date is not arbitrary and is acomidating to a 6th grade holdback who likes to brag about playing up!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The one change that I think is a shame is being able to take a tournament team and not have to bring your team that is on the roster from try outs. The beauty of it last year was that for most of the teams that went, these were the kids that had been playing and practicing together all year, possibly more. The team was united and each win or loss was handled well as these kids were true teammates, not just a tournament team required to play two tournaments together. I personally think the age cut off is a bit too wide and a 7/1 is better. There were kids turning 14 during the tourney while some were just turning 13 or not going to turn 13 for another month or two. That said- it was an incredible experience and worth the trip. I hope it is just as exciting for this year's teams.


but if it was 7/1 then someones son would be ineligible and miss a second trip to Denver. Not an option! That date was not arbitrary by any means, it was to accommodate certain individuals.


Kids that play up do not need this extended cut off, they would make the cut off without an extension- certain individuals would still make the tournament guidelines without any extensions at all. This was to accommodate all the late starters in MD and other states that follow the trend of pre first. This change was not made to accommodate any one kid and the conspiracy theories are really a bit over the top.


In theory you may have a point, unless of course a kid is a holdback and will be turning 13 right after the cutoff date, hmmm?


Yeah and.......some kids who will play in this tournament will be turning 14 right after the cutoff date. Not sure you still have a point.


My original point still stands that this date is not arbitrary and is acomidating to a 6th grade holdback who likes to brag about playing up!


How is it accommodating if a specific child will be TURNING 13!!!! Know your facts before you speak! This rule is not to accommodate any one child... it is to accommodate the later starters in other states!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 03:40 PM
Funny how with the new cut off date the 6th grader that you mentioned will be able to play in his 3rd WSYL next year also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/05/16 05:44 PM
Funny that you all know one kids birthdate. Stop measuring your son against him, it's a losing battle for you all.

It makes me laugh when I read this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/06/16 03:36 PM
My son is a 7th grader, born January 2003, and he does NOT care if he is playing someone who is older, bigger or better. From this upcoming middle school season until he gets through high school and maybe if he decides to play in college, it will be this way. Just a fact! I don't care either because its not going to change.
All I tell my son is to practice hard, play hard, be a good teammate and don't look back because there will always be someone chasing him.Don't worry about the opponents size or age because its out of his control.
I don't know where this quote came from, but I tell him
"When you lose say nothing, when you win, say less".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/06/16 05:59 PM
And u would feel the same way if u had a oct 2003 like me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/06/16 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a 7th grader, born January 2003, and he does NOT care if he is playing someone who is older, bigger or better. From this upcoming middle school season until he gets through high school and maybe if he decides to play in college, it will be this way. Just a fact! I don't care either because its not going to change.
All I tell my son is to practice hard, play hard, be a good teammate and don't look back because there will always be someone chasing him.Don't worry about the opponents size or age because its out of his control.
I don't know where this quote came from, but I tell him
"When you lose say nothing, when you win, say less".


VERY well stated. Hats off to you my friend!
RC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/07/16 12:22 AM
It will take time for this to settle. The reality is the clubs that start building teams specifically for this event will dominate, and traditional clubs with grade based teams will not be able to compete and thus will probably drop out. So you will have a bunch of new clubs filling the void for traditional club programs that will lose interest quickly, probably this year or next. Especially once a few 7th graders get seriously hurt by 8th graders that are 15 months older and 50 lbs heavier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/08/16 03:47 PM
It will take time for this to settle. The reality is the clubs that start building teams specifically for this event will dominate, and traditional clubs with grade based teams will not be able to compete and thus will probably drop out. So you will have a bunch of new clubs filling the void for traditional club programs that will lose interest quickly, probably this year or next. Especially once a few 7th graders get seriously hurt by 8th graders that are 15 months older and 50 lbs heavier.


Yes, surprised more people are not talking about how this will likely lead to some serious injuries where grade based teams with young 7th graders will be playing against much bigger and older 8th graders. Potential nightmare for kids, parents, coaches, and organizers. Should have stayed with everyone needing to meet the grade criteria. Less risk of someone getting hurt.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/08/16 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will take time for this to settle. The reality is the clubs that start building teams specifically for this event will dominate, and traditional clubs with grade based teams will not be able to compete and thus will probably drop out. So you will have a bunch of new clubs filling the void for traditional club programs that will lose interest quickly, probably this year or next. Especially once a few 7th graders get seriously hurt by 8th graders that are 15 months older and 50 lbs heavier.


Yes, surprised more people are not talking about how this will likely lead to some serious injuries where grade based teams with young 7th graders will be playing against much bigger and older 8th graders. Potential nightmare for kids, parents, coaches, and organizers. Should have stayed with everyone needing to meet the grade criteria. Less risk of someone getting hurt.


What?! Staying with grade criteria makes it worse considering the boatload of holdbacks in MD, MA and other areas, and now some of the two main LI orgs who are jumping on that bandwagon. At least some older kids were filtered out.

Age is the way to go, although 5/1 is way early. They should stick to FIL and US Lacrosse age rules or Jan 1 like other sports
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/08/16 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will take time for this to settle. The reality is the clubs that start building teams specifically for this event will dominate, and traditional clubs with grade based teams will not be able to compete and thus will probably drop out. So you will have a bunch of new clubs filling the void for traditional club programs that will lose interest quickly, probably this year or next. Especially once a few 7th graders get seriously hurt by 8th graders that are 15 months older and 50 lbs heavier.


Are any clubs even supporting this event this year? I would be surprised if the WSYL even exists in 2 years. While it's a good concept, the truth is, teams don't need to fly to Denver to play good competition. In fact, the competition that was there last year was terrible.

I don't believe Crabs 2021 is even going to the qualifier. Can anyone confirm what top clubs are participating in the qualifiers next month? So far it's been crickets in Maryland.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/08/16 08:31 PM
Mesa koopers bethesda is all i have heard.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/15/16 09:41 PM
US lacrosse just adopted a new player segmentation policy for player safety. They are promoting players play within a 12 month age range with an age cutoff of September 1.

"Age is based on player's age as of September 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level."

WSYL will have to comply next year for the safety of the kids. This year I guess will just be a free for all with a mix of ages and grades. Too bad for the kids it turned out to be such a mess this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/16/16 12:33 PM
Why do you think the WSYL will have to comply? They don't this year.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
US lacrosse just adopted a new player segmentation policy for player safety. They are promoting players play within a 12 month age range with an age cutoff of September 1.

"Age is based on player's age as of September 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level."

WSYL will have to comply next year for the safety of the kids. This year I guess will just be a free for all with a mix of ages and grades. Too bad for the kids it turned out to be such a mess this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/16/16 05:31 PM
How does this effect club lax teams will they be reshuffled
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/16/16 08:00 PM
I think they will have to comply because it will be too expensive for club teams to try and manage a US lacrosse compliant club program (players playing within 12 month age range with September 1 cutoff) and an entirely separate team that never plays together picked from two separate age groups just for one weekend tournament. Would be absurd and a total nightmare. Clubs that follow US lacrosse guidelines won't participate because they won't be competitive and their kids will get injured playing the older kids in WSYL. WSYL should just align with the governing body recommendation.



Why do you think the WSYL will have to comply? They don't this year.....

US lacrosse just adopted a new player segmentation policy for player safety. They are promoting players play within a 12 month age range with an age cutoff of September 1.

"Age is based on player's age as of September 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level."

WSYL will have to comply next year for the safety of the kids. This year I guess will just be a free for all with a mix of ages and grades. Too bad for the kids it turned out to be such a mess this year.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/18/16 02:10 PM
Many of the tournaments are grade based and teams are grade-based. These teams simply don't play in age-based tournaments and don't care about USL rules, policies and governance. I don't see how this will have much of an impact . . . unless it's a U-based tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think they will have to comply because it will be too expensive for club teams to try and manage a US lacrosse compliant club program (players playing within 12 month age range with September 1 cutoff) and an entirely separate team that never plays together picked from two separate age groups just for one weekend tournament. Would be absurd and a total nightmare. Clubs that follow US lacrosse guidelines won't participate because they won't be competitive and their kids will get injured playing the older kids in WSYL. WSYL should just align with the governing body recommendation.



Why do you think the WSYL will have to comply? They don't this year.....

US lacrosse just adopted a new player segmentation policy for player safety. They are promoting players play within a 12 month age range with an age cutoff of September 1.

"Age is based on player's age as of September 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level."

WSYL will have to comply next year for the safety of the kids. This year I guess will just be a free for all with a mix of ages and grades. Too bad for the kids it turned out to be such a mess this year.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/18/16 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many of the tournaments are grade based and teams are grade-based. These teams simply don't play in age-based tournaments and don't care about USL rules, policies and governance. I don't see how this will have much of an impact . . . unless it's a U-based tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think they will have to comply because it will be too expensive for club teams to try and manage a US lacrosse compliant club program (players playing within 12 month age range with September 1 cutoff) and an entirely separate team that never plays together picked from two separate age groups just for one weekend tournament. Would be absurd and a total nightmare. Clubs that follow US lacrosse guidelines won't participate because they won't be competitive and their kids will get injured playing the older kids in WSYL. WSYL should just align with the governing body recommendation.



Why do you think the WSYL will have to comply? They don't this year.....

US lacrosse just adopted a new player segmentation policy for player safety. They are promoting players play within a 12 month age range with an age cutoff of September 1.

"Age is based on player's age as of September 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level."

WSYL will have to comply next year for the safety of the kids. This year I guess will just be a free for all with a mix of ages and grades. Too bad for the kids it turned out to be such a mess this year.



Rules are useless when there is no governance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/18/16 05:49 PM
Most of the North teams look pretty strong - Team 91, Icon, Igloo, LI Express, Eclipse, Primetime, Legacy, FCA Northeast, Cape Town & Team ASW

The West teams are less well-known - 3D dallas, Team West Coast, Colorado Crush, Mad Dog West, Denver Rifles, SoCal Express & Aces

Other regions not up yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/18/16 06:55 PM
The WSYL North regional lists Team 91 2021 Orange/Blaze. Is this a combo team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/18/16 10:04 PM
What does Icon/Express mean? Did they grab kids from Express
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/19/16 12:20 AM
Not really they only cut four kids off the roster.clearly the kids that won't be on the team next year anyway, nice
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/21/16 10:21 PM
You left out the #1 seed Legacy Taz. The Legacy team has about 10 players from the 2020 Taz team playing at the regionals. Now we know who wanted the 8th graders in. A lot of people on this website were wrong when they said 91 was the culprit.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/22/16 02:21 AM
that is why this year is a joke. It is not going to be the best team but the program that is willing to use the rules to their advantage to build a 7/8 grade team that will win. Most will probably be loyal to their kids and play their true 2021 teams but some will not. It will be obvious. Next year will be better if WSYL consistent with US lacrosse. Makes sense for the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/22/16 08:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
that is why this year is a joke. It is not going to be the best team but the program that is willing to use the rules to their advantage to build a 7/8 grade team that will win. Most will probably be loyal to their kids and play their true 2021 teams but some will not. It will be obvious. Next year will be better if WSYL consistent with US lacrosse. Makes sense for the kids.



What teams will be loyal to their true 2021 teams? I don't know of any.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/22/16 02:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
that is why this year is a joke. It is not going to be the best team but the program that is willing to use the rules to their advantage to build a 7/8 grade team that will win. Most will probably be loyal to their kids and play their true 2021 teams but some will not. It will be obvious. Next year will be better if WSYL consistent with US lacrosse. Makes sense for the kids.



What teams will be loyal to their true 2021 teams? I don't know of any.


I bet most will, not all of these organizations are that disloyal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/22/16 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
that is why this year is a joke. It is not going to be the best team but the program that is willing to use the rules to their advantage to build a 7/8 grade team that will win. Most will probably be loyal to their kids and play their true 2021 teams but some will not. It will be obvious. Next year will be better if WSYL consistent with US lacrosse. Makes sense for the kids.



What teams will be loyal to their true 2021 teams? I don't know of any.


I bet most will, not all of these organizations are that disloyal.


Then the organizations that are loyal to their 2021 team don't have any 2020 players born on or after 5/1/02.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/22/16 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
that is why this year is a joke. It is not going to be the best team but the program that is willing to use the rules to their advantage to build a 7/8 grade team that will win. Most will probably be loyal to their kids and play their true 2021 teams but some will not. It will be obvious. Next year will be better if WSYL consistent with US lacrosse. Makes sense for the kids.



What teams will be loyal to their true 2021 teams? I don't know of any.


I bet most will, not all of these organizations are that disloyal.


Then the organizations that are loyal to their 2021 team don't have any 2020 players born on or after 5/1/02.


So true
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/22/16 04:40 PM
Loyal, Integrity , Upright, are works not associate with club lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/23/16 01:12 PM
Is it true that most of the 2021 teams ( Express, 91 and Legacy) are bring in 2020 kids to play for them?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/23/16 01:36 PM
They have posted the east regional teams on the wsyl website. Unless i am reading it incorrectly, it looks like the crabs will not be in this year's wsyl. The east group includes teams like green turtles, mesa, koopers, leading edge, diamondbacks, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/23/16 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it true that most of the 2021 teams ( Express, 91 and Legacy) are bring in 2020 kids to play for them?
o the extent they meet the age cutoff yes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/23/16 01:43 PM
I can tell you Icon does not have a 2020 team, they will not and that staff would not take any 2020 kids. Don't know why a true 2021 would attend this year when other teams will take 2020 kids, not right, plan and simple. They will not be playing on the same playing field. What the WS people have done is hurt the 2021 teams as a whole. What are you telling some players you can play all year but for these tourney's we are taking older kids so you cannot play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/23/16 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They have posted the east regional teams on the wsyl website. Unless i am reading it incorrectly, it looks like the crabs will not be in this year's wsyl. The east group includes teams like green turtles, mesa, koopers, leading edge, diamondbacks, etc.


greene turtle and Koopers by far the class of that group. If they are really taking 4 teams the other 2 will be irrelevant.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/23/16 02:38 PM
Is it true that most of the 2021 teams ( Express, 91 and Legacy) are bring in 2020 kids to play for them?


No. Express is not bringing 2020 players. They are bringing their 2021 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/23/16 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it true that most of the 2021 teams ( Express, 91 and Legacy) are bring in 2020 kids to play for them?


No. Express is not bringing 2020 players. They are bringing their 2021 team.


The real question is who will be there guest player or players being ICON is there as well my guess is they play for express....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/23/16 04:36 PM
Express is trying to recruit kids from other teams so I find it hard to believe that they are bringing no 2020 kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL North regional lists Team 91 2021 Orange/Blaze. Is this a combo team?


They were Orange and added the Blaze name.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 03:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL North regional lists Team 91 2021 Orange/Blaze. Is this a combo team?


They were Orange and added the Blaze name.


...and they are pulling kids from 2020 Crush. So the name above is not representative of a combo team, only the roster is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 03:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL North regional lists Team 91 2021 Orange/Blaze. Is this a combo team?


They were Orange and added the Blaze name.


Why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 03:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL North regional lists Team 91 2021 Orange/Blaze. Is this a combo team?


They were Orange and added the Blaze name.

They're really called the "Blazing Oranges".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 11:04 AM
and added Cruch kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 11:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL North regional lists Team 91 2021 Orange/Blaze. Is this a combo team?


They were Orange and added the Blaze name.


Why?


I suppose because they are kids who wanted their own team name and logo to put on gear. What do you think the reason is?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 02:14 PM
That means it was arbitrary...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 02:31 PM
if they are age eligible, then dems da breaks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 07:34 PM
dems the breaks - under the new rules post November smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/16 10:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
dems the breaks - under the new rules post November smile


Yep, so you have to deal with it or walk away. Everyone wants age based except when they don't ... No need to try to figure it out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/25/16 02:53 AM
]dems the breaks - under the new rules post November smile

Yep, so you have to deal with it or walk away. Everyone wants age based except when they don't ... No need to try to figure it out.

Actually nobody wants age based when it means mixing 8th grade kids with young seventh grade kids. Wait until someone gets hurt this year and they will be right with US Lacrosse next year...September 1 and 7th grade. It is the only scenario that actually makes sense. But some will seek to use the rules to sneak a big win. Oh well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/25/16 11:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
]dems the breaks - under the new rules post November smile

Yep, so you have to deal with it or walk away. Everyone wants age based except when they don't ... No need to try to figure it out.

Actually nobody wants age based when it means mixing 8th grade kids with young seventh grade kids. Wait until someone gets hurt this year and they will be right with US Lacrosse next year...September 1 and 7th grade. It is the only scenario that actually makes sense. But some will seek to use the rules to sneak a big win. Oh well.


If your kid plays lax on a club team, he's been playing kids with a range in age of 18 months or more already. This is supposed to be the World Series, not just the US and eventually that is the goal. This has nothing to do with one specific team or club. The landscape is even- all teams can bring kids within the same aged group. The rules were out there for a while now and teams/clubs have approached them how they wished. Some created new teams, some merged teams, some are bringing their original rostered team. Stop the complaining- if you don't like it, don't do it! No one is forcing anyone to be a part of this tournament.

That said, I thought bringing the team you play with year round was the best way to do it. It just seems more valuable in playing teams you see at tournaments and ones with a track record, rather than a team that plays in just a minimum of two tournaments. However- rules change and the clubs can choose to play with these new rules or not. Maybe next year will be different, maybe not. Kids outside the US don't have the same grade equivalence as those in the US, so my bet will be that the grade based rule is gone and they will stick with a 15-18 mo age spread. I do hope to see teams from outside the US join the tournament next year. That would be exciting for all the kids!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/30/16 05:54 PM
Proposal: WSYL should post rosters of players with ages on their website. This will allow total transparency as to each team so everyone does not have to lie and accuse and make up facts about which teams are now bringing older kids and which teams are playing with their 7th graders. Their is a growing focus and count starting to occur around which teams are bringing 8th graders and how many. So far the Long Island teams range from 12 8th graders to 0. Interesting what other regions and clubs are doing. But if they posted rosters with ages it would end all the speculation and distraction and have full transparency.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/30/16 11:46 PM
Who cares. Just play the game and enjoy the competition!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/01/16 06:04 PM
This tourn rules wise is just different!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 12:24 AM
Did they call off tomorrow's games in the North Regional? 91 already posted that they qualified for Denver.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did they call off tomorrow's games in the North Regional? 91 already posted that they qualified for Denver.


91 was smoked, actually totally beaten down by Igloo, despite the "ringers" legacy deserves to go over them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 12:57 AM
Cancelled
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 01:19 AM
If I read it correctly, WSYL is taking the Top 4 teams in the bracket. So even if tomorrow is cancelled by weather the Top Team in Red and Blue are Igloo in Blue and Legacy in Red, the next two are 91 and Eclipse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 01:34 AM
91 twitter awful quiet! What's the matter, nobody to brag about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 11:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 twitter awful quiet! What's the matter, nobody to brag about?

It must pain them to lose to Igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I read it correctly, WSYL is taking the Top 4 teams in the bracket. So even if tomorrow is cancelled by weather the Top Team in Red and Blue are Igloo in Blue and Legacy in Red, the next two are 91 and Eclipse.
Prime Time is claiming they are also going? Top 6 going ? Maybe everyone goes? More money
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 02:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I read it correctly, WSYL is taking the Top 4 teams in the bracket. So even if tomorrow is cancelled by weather the Top Team in Red and Blue are Igloo in Blue and Legacy in Red, the next two are 91 and Eclipse.
Prime Time is claiming they are also going? Top 6 going ? Maybe everyone goes? More money


Yes, Prime Time is going. Since the playoffs got canceled due to the weather they gave bids to the top three teams in each bracket (6 teams in total).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 03:00 PM
Igloo brought one kid in, Icon none, Igloo look great, congrats, Legacy best team there with older kids but followed rules Icon played real good with only 2021 kids. They were the only team to play Legacy tough. Lost in their last game to older Eclipse team in a great game 6-5. Congrats to all teams who go.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 03:11 PM
I'm glad they took the top 6 and congrats to all the teams who played yesterday, but the way the playoffs were detailed, it wasn't possible for anyone to crack the top 4 in the playoffs? Am I correct on that?
Would have seemed better if they ran a full playoff day after day 1 seeding a lower team would get a second crack by beating the top seeded teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 03:34 PM
Just fyi Igloo brought 2021 team plus 4 kids from other 2021 team to make 24 one top players was hurt ....so stop with all that non sense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 04:20 PM
Don't know why this is a debate. I am not an Igloo fan and may not agree with everything they do but I had no doubt that they would win despite having to play against older kids. I have no doubt they will will in Denver. If Igloo did not have injuries and this was a pure 2021 tournament with a September 1 cutoff they would have won all games by at least 15 goals. They are that good. Having said that had the age requirements not changed the top four teams would have been igloo, 91, Express and icon. Congrats to all the teams that are going to Denver. Too bad this is not a pure 2021 tournament to see who really is the best. But like it or not if igloo wins this there will be no doubt they are the best especially when all players are born after sept 1. Good luck to all the teams in Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just fyi Igloo brought 2021 team plus 4 kids from other 2021 team to make 24 one top players was hurt ....so stop with all that non sense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't know why this is a debate. I am not an Igloo fan and may not agree with everything they do but I had no doubt that they would win despite having to play against older kids. I have no doubt they will will in Denver. If Igloo did not have injuries and this was a pure 2021 tournament with a September 1 cutoff they would have won all games by at least 15 goals. They are that good. Having said that had the age requirements not changed the top four teams would have been igloo, 91, Express and icon. Congrats to all the teams that are going to Denver. Too bad this is not a pure 2021 tournament to see who really is the best. But like it or not if igloo wins this there will be no doubt they are the best especially when all players are born after sept 1. Good luck to all the teams in Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just fyi Igloo brought 2021 team plus 4 kids from other 2021 team to make 24 one top players was hurt ....so stop with all that non sense.


born after sept 1 of what year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 05:12 PM
If only it was a true 2021 team so it would be fair, with three kids who are 15 because they where held back twice but graduate in 2021 instead of 2019.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 05:30 PM
No way 3 kids are 15
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 05:50 PM
The point is the only way to insure even competition is is to go by age. I find it amazing that people cry about a 91 or Legacy that they combine teams for the WS that are age appropriate but have no issue with the other teams who have kids who SHOULD be graduating a year prior to when they are.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No way 3 kids are 15
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 06:51 PM
How did they decide to break up the brackets with one bracket having two good teams ( Igloo and 91) and the other bracket having four good teams ( Legacy, Icon Eclipse and Express), seemed uneven. Didn't 91 beat Prime Time 16-2?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 07:35 PM
Tough to go by scores this early in spring 91 beat primetime16-2 and igloo beat prime time 8-3. It's early spring so much will change between now and July so score comparisons are skewed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 07:56 PM
They names in a hat and a 5 year old pulled them out first 5 were red second 5 were blue ..... how else would they do it ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did they decide to break up the brackets with one bracket having two good teams ( Igloo and 91) and the other bracket having four good teams ( Legacy, Icon Eclipse and Express), seemed uneven. Didn't 91 beat Prime Time 16-2?


Stop crying. Only true 2021. OMG. Get over it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 08:59 PM
I'm not sure why there is so much hype about the way WSYL is making the rules either. Fact is, this is supposed to eventually include not only teams from all different states, but international teams. Kids in other countries don't start school or use the same grade equivalence as we do in the US. The only way to make this fair is to go by an age cut off, not grade. For all the people complaining about grade play- you got your wish. The current club teams may have been built by grade, but this tournament is not so teams put together age based teams. The only way this would have been unfair is if teams qualified with their current roster, but then modified by adding older kids or kids from different teams or clubs.

Now, here's my question... Did you have to be at this tournament to attend in Denver? I know you must compete in 2 tourneys to be considered rostered, but is it mandatory to be at the qualifier? Depending on the answer, this could definitely be a game changer in Denver.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 09:33 PM
Score comparisons never work in any sport at any level. There are so many factors that can alter a score in a game. Each game has a ref that in one game may call it close and then another ref may Not make calls and let the kids play . That can alter how the game is played and the score. Also an Offense may hold ball longer limiting touches in one game but not the other. Further one team could have a match up that is very favorable that can alter the score against one team but may not have that match up against another team. Even an injury can take time off the clock limiting offense possessions. There are so many other things that can happen to alter a score from one game to the next. Never go by scores from other games to figure out how a team matches up.
It means nothing as we see 91 beat prime time by a lot more than igloo did but that does not mean 91 will beat igloo as we saw yesterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tough to go by scores this early in spring 91 beat primetime16-2 and igloo beat prime time 8-3. It's early spring so much will change between now and July so score comparisons are skewed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 09:50 PM
I wonder if you took a parent poll on blaze, how many want the guess players, or prefer their own team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wonder if you took a parent poll on blaze, how many want the guess players, or prefer their own team?


Blaze add on players choked, broke down without Daddy. Embarrassment!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 11:45 PM
Come on Bobby
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 11:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Score comparisons never work in any sport at any level. There are so many factors that can alter a score in a game. Each game has a ref that in one game may call it close and then another ref may Not make calls and let the kids play . That can alter how the game is played and the score. Also an Offense may hold ball longer limiting touches in one game but not the other. Further one team could have a match up that is very favorable that can alter the score against one team but may not have that match up against another team. Even an injury can take time off the clock limiting offense possessions. There are so many other things that can happen to alter a score from one game to the next. Never go by scores from other games to figure out how a team matches up.
It means nothing as we see 91 beat prime time by a lot more than igloo did but that does not mean 91 will beat igloo as we saw yesterday.

[quote=Anonymous]Tough to go by scores this early in spring 91 beat primetime16-2 and igloo beat prime time 8-3. It's early spring so much will change between now and July so score comparisons are skewed
[/quote

Especially in early spring games
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/16 11:54 PM
So much can and will change from now til July Most teams haven't even practiced outdoors. Everyone should relax the bragging and chest pounding over winning four games in a day wo a championship is very "I've never been there before ". No way Igloo beats Legacy. Watched the game vs Blaze Legacy will win EVERY faceoff and that in itself will be different. Penalties and face offs were the major difference in yesterday's game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 12:03 AM
Any teams from other regions have a chance to compete w the North region or will the top 4/5 come from there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 12:16 AM
We don't want them or the players it's bad enough there is favoritism on the team already.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 12:16 AM
I really doubt it Looking at other regions teams that are competing the top teams will come from the north
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 12:33 AM
Is Legacy a 2020 team w any 2021 players for this tournament ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 04:16 PM
Agree
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 06:21 PM
So why the heck do you stay on it ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We don't want them or the players it's bad enough there is favoritism on the team already.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So why the heck do you stay on it ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We don't want them or the players it's bad enough there is favoritism on the team already.


because it is an outsider trying to stir
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I really doubt it Looking at other regions teams that are competing the top teams will come from the north


That is accurate
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wonder if you took a parent poll on blaze, how many want the guess players, or prefer their own team?


Blaze add on players choked, broke down without Daddy. Embarrassment!


Broke down without the monster lefty attackman and couple of other premier midfielders. They replaced Blaze kids with Crush kids who on their own make little or no difference, makes it even more disgraceful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 07:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I really doubt it Looking at other regions teams that are competing the top teams will come from the north


That is accurate


Probably true, but don't forget Mad Dog and Team Carolina only lost by 1 goal to Igloo last year. I have no doubt Igloo is the best "on age" team. But I can think of an absolute beast of a 2020 who is a June birthday who might be going in another region - doesn't sound like 2020;s made a difference in the North Regionals, but I wouldn't assume that would be true in others.

And I can't recall if Greene Turtle has ever played Igloo, but they are a very good team out of the East.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 07:37 PM
See everyone assuming things this early is wrong. Igloo has played together the longest and has team chemistry and played team lacrosse, so it was not unexpected at this juncture they wouldlook the best. Legacy has a team full of 2020 kids 1 or 2 weaker 2021 kids so they are also strong team wise. It will be interesting to see how these teams evolve from now til July
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 07:43 PM
Yes they have 7 2021 players but hey if this was maryland they can all say they are reclassifying or going to PG so who cares they are all DOB eligible
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they have 7 2021 players but hey if this was maryland they can all say they are reclassifying or going to PG so who cares they are all DOB eligible


Good point lolol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 09:19 PM
Igloo beat Green Turtle in Vermont but a handful. But I am sure they improved.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wonder if you took a parent poll on blaze, how many want the guess players, or prefer their own team?


Blaze add on players choked, broke down without Daddy. Embarrassment!


Broke down without the monster lefty attackman and couple of other premier midfielders. They replaced Blaze kids with Crush kids who on their own make little or no difference, makes it even more disgraceful.


Lefty is the whole team! They will be lost without him. Now that he's committed, bet he scales back!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 09:46 PM
Once the 5 kids they only care about commit, this team will collapse. What a disgrace that in a televised game that was over at halftime, they wouldn't put kids in the game whose parents paid the same about of money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/04/16 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Once the 5 kids they only care about commit, this team will collapse. What a disgrace that in a televised game that was over at halftime, they wouldn't put kids in the game whose parents paid the same about of money.


Karma is going to rear it's head real soon for some of the pampered, no matter how many hours a day they work on their BTB shot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/16 09:37 PM
Congrats to the South and East teams that qualified for Denver.

Out of curiosity, which teams were combo teams, which were 2021s?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/11/16 01:17 PM
Team Carolina is its 2021 Travel Team that lost by one last summer to Igloo at Hogan. All are 7th graders! Should be a great tournament. Just my observation but Igloo has to be the favorite unless/until someone can prove otherwise. I think it will be more competitive than some think! Denver and the WYSL do a GREAT JOB in making this a "Special Event" for all the kids and families.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/11/16 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Carolina is its 2021 Travel Team that lost by one last summer to Igloo at Hogan. All are 7th graders! Should be a great tournament. Just my observation but Igloo has to be the favorite unless/until someone can prove otherwise. I think it will be more competitive than some think! Denver and the WYSL do a GREAT JOB in making this a "Special Event" for all the kids and families.


Oh boy, all 7th graders, and I'm sure there is not a hold back among them. It's an age based tournament, who cares what grade they are in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/12/16 05:11 PM
You are correct, no hold backs on TC.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/12/16 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are correct, no hold backs on TC.


No holdbacks...ok TC what is your age cutoff for your 7th grade team? I bet part of your team would be in 8th grade if they lived in NY. That's the great thing about this being an age-based tournament to avoid the nonsense of grade cutoffs in different areas.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/12/16 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are correct, no hold backs on TC.

Maybe no holdbacks but a lot of transitional kindergarten (Charlotte term for starting late) kids who were born summer and spring 2002.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/12/16 10:13 PM
The 2020 Legacy Taz team was dominant in the North Regionals, but in the summer things should change as they will have to play some of the 2021 players. This makes Black Ice the odds on favorite to win it all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/12/16 10:38 PM
Touché, Taz had 26 penalty minutes against Icon. Now you know why the score was 6-3.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 12:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Touché, Taz had 26 penalty minutes against Icon. Now you know why the score was 6-3.

I hope you're not insinuating that Taz had all those penalty minutes AGAINST them. Being at the game, I saw maybe 3 penalties called against them while it seemed Icon was man down almost half of the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 Legacy Taz team was dominant in the North Regionals, but in the summer things should change as they will have to play some of the 2021 players. This makes Black Ice the odds on favorite to win it all.


Why will they have to? The roster is set. How is it any different? Please explain.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 01:19 AM
Who cares who the favorites are. It's kids playing let their play talk in July and enjoy the ride with your kid. Laying odds on 7,8th graders pathetic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares who the favorites are. It's kids playing let their play talk in July and enjoy the ride with your kid. Laying odds on 7,8th graders pathetic

LEGACY will kick butt
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares who the favorites are. It's kids playing let their play talk in July and enjoy the ride with your kid. Laying odds on 7,8th graders pathetic

LEGACY will kick butt

Why won't BOTC write the word "Legacy"? Is there any problem they have with the club?
Posted By: TheBackOfTheCage Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares who the favorites are. It's kids playing let their play talk in July and enjoy the ride with your kid. Laying odds on 7,8th graders pathetic

LEGACY will kick butt

Why won't BOTC write the word "Legacy"? Is there any problem they have with the club?


Yes, there is a problem. Please keep in mind that when you see a club's name come up as asterisks it means that BOTC has made a determination based on our direct knowledge and experience that the club is not a club we want to recommend to parents and players. We demand a very high level of business practices or we deny you any visibility. Buyer beware.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 04:24 PM
How will[***]get away with sending their 2020/8th grade team to a 2021/7th grade tournament? this is absurd. Does anyone check the rosters?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 Legacy Taz team was dominant in the North Regionals, but in the summer things should change as they will have to play some of the 2021 players. This makes Black Ice the odds on favorite to win it all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 05:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How will[***]get away with sending their 2020/8th grade team to a 2021/7th grade tournament? this is absurd. Does anyone check the rosters?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 Legacy Taz team was dominant in the North Regionals, but in the summer things should change as they will have to play some of the 2021 players. This makes Black Ice the odds on favorite to win it all.


For the millionth time buddy it's an AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!!! Not a grade-based one!!! If your math teacher tells you that you can use a calculator for the test but you choose to figure the problems out on paper that is your choice but don't go crying because you didn't use all avenues to success at your disposal THAT ARE ALLOWED DUE TO THE...wait for it.....YES THE RULES!!!! IT'S AN AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!! And yes these are shouty capitals! Lol enough already
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How will[***]get away with sending their 2020/8th grade team to a 2021/7th grade tournament? this is absurd. Does anyone check the rosters?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 Legacy Taz team was dominant in the North Regionals, but in the summer things should change as they will have to play some of the 2021 players. This makes Black Ice the odds on favorite to win it all.


For the millionth time buddy it's an AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!!! Not a grade-based one!!! If your math teacher tells you that you can use a calculator for the test but you choose to figure the problems out on paper that is your choice but don't go crying because you didn't use all avenues to success at your disposal THAT ARE ALLOWED DUE TO THE...wait for it.....YES THE RULES!!!! IT'S AN AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!! And yes these are shouty capitals! Lol enough already

But what if your teacher CHANGES the rule and doesn't TELL YOU that you can use a calculator until you walk into the classroom for the test. AND the teacher happened to tell a couple of kids about the new rule the night before so they could bring their calculator with them to the test?! That's the issue!

The IMPLEMENTATION, TIMING and LACK OF TARANSPARENCY (as well as the original 5/1 cutoff date) leads many people to believe this change and timing was engineered to benefit a select few. Right or wrong, it just looks very suspicious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How will[***]get away with sending their 2020/8th grade team to a 2021/7th grade tournament? this is absurd. Does anyone check the rosters?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 Legacy Taz team was dominant in the North Regionals, but in the summer things should change as they will have to play some of the 2021 players. This makes Black Ice the odds on favorite to win it all.


For the millionth time buddy it's an AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!!! Not a grade-based one!!! If your math teacher tells you that you can use a calculator for the test but you choose to figure the problems out on paper that is your choice but don't go crying because you didn't use all avenues to success at your disposal THAT ARE ALLOWED DUE TO THE...wait for it.....YES THE RULES!!!! IT'S AN AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!! And yes these are shouty capitals! Lol enough already

But what if your teacher CHANGES the rule and doesn't TELL YOU that you can use a calculator until you walk into the classroom for the test. AND the teacher happened to tell a couple of kids about the new rule the night before so they could bring their calculator with them to the test?! That's the issue!

The IMPLEMENTATION, TIMING and LACK OF TARANSPARENCY (as well as the original 5/1 cutoff date) leads many people to believe this change and timing was engineered to benefit a select few. Right or wrong, it just looks very suspicious.


Our organization found out when every other organization found out about the rule change. Our organization acted upon it...they didn't stick their head in the sand and pretend it is still grade-based as I am guessing your organization did. We didn't make the rules, we are just playing by the rules. I love how so many people/teams want grade based where you can hide holdbacks and say oh it's a 2021 team whereas it would reveal holdbacks and in certain parts of the country those 21's might be 20's. There are no secrets on our roster...all boys on the team are born after May 1, 2002. You can stop your conspiracy theories...you sound like an excuse-making nut! We've got young talented players so we must've had an inside scoop? Do you hear yourself?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 10:33 PM
You must be very proud playing your 2020 team down against 2021's.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How will[***]get away with sending their 2020/8th grade team to a 2021/7th grade tournament? this is absurd. Does anyone check the rosters?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 Legacy Taz team was dominant in the North Regionals, but in the summer things should change as they will have to play some of the 2021 players. This makes Black Ice the odds on favorite to win it all.


For the millionth time buddy it's an AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!!! Not a grade-based one!!! If your math teacher tells you that you can use a calculator for the test but you choose to figure the problems out on paper that is your choice but don't go crying because you didn't use all avenues to success at your disposal THAT ARE ALLOWED DUE TO THE...wait for it.....YES THE RULES!!!! IT'S AN AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!! And yes these are shouty capitals! Lol enough already

But what if your teacher CHANGES the rule and doesn't TELL YOU that you can use a calculator until you walk into the classroom for the test. AND the teacher happened to tell a couple of kids about the new rule the night before so they could bring their calculator with them to the test?! That's the issue!

The IMPLEMENTATION, TIMING and LACK OF TARANSPARENCY (as well as the original 5/1 cutoff date) leads many people to believe this change and timing was engineered to benefit a select few. Right or wrong, it just looks very suspicious.


Our organization found out when every other organization found out about the rule change. Our organization acted upon it...they didn't stick their head in the sand and pretend it is still grade-based as I am guessing your organization did. We didn't make the rules, we are just playing by the rules. I love how so many people/teams want grade based where you can hide holdbacks and say oh it's a 2021 team whereas it would reveal holdbacks and in certain parts of the country those 21's might be 20's. There are no secrets on our roster...all boys on the team are born after May 1, 2002. You can stop your conspiracy theories...you sound like an excuse-making nut! We've got young talented players so we must've had an inside scoop? Do you hear yourself?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/13/16 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You must be very proud playing your 2020 team down against 2021's.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How will[***]get away with sending their 2020/8th grade team to a 2021/7th grade tournament? this is absurd. Does anyone check the rosters?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 Legacy Taz team was dominant in the North Regionals, but in the summer things should change as they will have to play some of the 2021 players. This makes Black Ice the odds on favorite to win it all.


For the millionth time buddy it's an AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!!! Not a grade-based one!!! If your math teacher tells you that you can use a calculator for the test but you choose to figure the problems out on paper that is your choice but don't go crying because you didn't use all avenues to success at your disposal THAT ARE ALLOWED DUE TO THE...wait for it.....YES THE RULES!!!! IT'S AN AGE-BASED TOURNAMENT!! And yes these are shouty capitals! Lol enough already

But what if your teacher CHANGES the rule and doesn't TELL YOU that you can use a calculator until you walk into the classroom for the test. AND the teacher happened to tell a couple of kids about the new rule the night before so they could bring their calculator with them to the test?! That's the issue!

The IMPLEMENTATION, TIMING and LACK OF TARANSPARENCY (as well as the original 5/1 cutoff date) leads many people to believe this change and timing was engineered to benefit a select few. Right or wrong, it just looks very suspicious.


Our organization found out when every other organization found out about the rule change. Our organization acted upon it...they didn't stick their head in the sand and pretend it is still grade-based as I am guessing your organization did. We didn't make the rules, we are just playing by the rules. I love how so many people/teams want grade based where you can hide holdbacks and say oh it's a 2021 team whereas it would reveal holdbacks and in certain parts of the country those 21's might be 20's. There are no secrets on our roster...all boys on the team are born after May 1, 2002. You can stop your conspiracy theories...you sound like an excuse-making nut! We've got young talented players so we must've had an inside scoop? Do you hear yourself?


You people are intentionally being obtuse and I'm done arguing it. If international teams come to the tournament it needs to be age based. All of you crying about not going by grade must be disappointed little Johnny was too old to make the AGE cutoff. I'm done listening to the crying. Good bye.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/14/16 12:00 AM
It's not a 2021/2020 thing it is the rules of the event. No one is doing anything wrong, arguing is silly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/14/16 01:19 PM
I am curious about the teams and programs that went with the new rules/age grouping for wsyl. What are you doing the rest of the year? Are the boys still playing for their 2020 &2021 teams as well? Will the teams be split after July 4 or will they play in the 2020 brackets because about every other tournament is still grade based. What happens going forward?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/14/16 03:26 PM
I think U13/2020 debate is mostly an LI issue.

I think in most metro areas where these teams are from, like Baltimore, Richmond, Charlotte, Tampa, Dallas, etc., 2021 teams already/normally have 5-8 kids with May-June-July-August birthdays. No scientific study, but friends of mine in a few of these cities, at least in neighborhoods that feed private schools, says parents would never start a boy with a Summer or even late Spring bday in kindergarten as a 5-year old.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/14/16 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think U13/2020 debate is mostly an LI issue.

I think in most metro areas where these teams are from, like Baltimore, Richmond, Charlotte, Tampa, Dallas, etc., 2021 teams already/normally have 5-8 kids with May-June-July-August birthdays. No scientific study, but friends of mine in a few of these cities, at least in neighborhoods that feed private schools, says parents would never start a boy with a Summer or even late Spring bday in kindergarten as a 5-year old.


Don't forget about out west Played a few of those teams and they look at us like we are crazy if we don't hold back
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/02/16 05:23 PM
so the qualifiers are done and the results posted but there is no list that I can find with the teams that are going to Denver.

Perhaps they will be cooking the books a little to make the path easier or harder for some of these teams. Hmmmm
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/02/16 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so the qualifiers are done and the results posted but there is no list that I can find with the teams that are going to Denver.

Perhaps they will be cooking the books a little to make the path easier or harder for some of these teams. Hmmmm


There are a lot of teams that qualified that aren't going to go. Many thought the regional qualifiers were a good tourmanent but didn't want to ask their families to fly to Denver to play the same teams they will play twice already in the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/02/16 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so the qualifiers are done and the results posted but there is no list that I can find with the teams that are going to Denver.

Perhaps they will be cooking the books a little to make the path easier or harder for some of these teams. Hmmmm


Hmmmm.......interesting, very interesting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/02/16 09:39 PM
Did you just answer your own post ?!? Report yourself
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/04/16 05:15 PM
Any idea what teams have bailed on Wsyl?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/05/16 03:53 PM
Express, Icon
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/10/16 11:00 PM
Does anyone know who are the top teams going to Denver? Obviously (****) and Igloo but after those two I am at a loss.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/11/16 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know who are the top teams going to Denver? Obviously (****) and Igloo but after those two I am at a loss.


Great post about these teams playing each other over the coming months. Makes going to Denver a waste of time and money. Not worth it. Means absolutely nothing long term.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/12/16 02:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know who are the top teams going to Denver? Obviously (****) and Igloo but after those two I am at a loss.


Great post about these teams playing each other over the coming months. Makes going to Denver a waste of time and money. Not worth it. Means absolutely nothing long term.


Of course it means nothing in the long run! Do any of these games or tournaments mean anything? It's the experience that they are selling and the experience was great. Kids were treated like stars and they got to play their sport with kids all over the country. Do you go on a vacation expecting it to mean something? No/ you go for the experience. If you are not interested, that's fine, but don't downplay the event that many did and will enjoy. Unless you went, you can't talk. The kids had a blast, and the spirit of the game was quite evident!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/20/16 09:48 PM
Does anyone know the bracket breakdown for the WSYL?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/21/16 06:20 PM
RED
Legacy
3D Dallas 21
Palm Beach Revolution
TriState 2021
Michigan Shamrocks
Primetime 2021

RED
Team Carolina
Greene Turtle Towson
91 Blaze/Crush
Denver Rifles
Michigan Warriors
C2C Richmond

BLUE
Koopers
World Lax Foundation 2021
Colorado Crush
Eclipse
Resolute 2021
Bethesda

GOLD
MadDog West 2021
Igloo Black Ice 2021
Leading Edge 2021
3D Mid Atlantic
Team Israel
Lax Factory
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/21/16 07:42 PM
Thank you!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/21/16 08:34 PM
The second RED bracket is supposed to be WHITE...(the one with C2C Richmond etc.)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/22/16 09:33 AM
Do you know which brackets are paired leading into final?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/22/16 06:32 PM
The first red vs gold then white vs blue
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 05/30/16 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first red vs gold then white vs blue


Top 2 from red play the top 2 white. Blue top 2 plays top 2 gold.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/20/16 07:54 AM
Saturday was 2 weeks prior to the event...where's the schedule?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/21/16 05:16 PM
did Jr play with Blaze this weekend? Will kids qualify and show up to play in the tournament without the required 2 minimum? Saw him with the Blaze at Blatant, but not sure if there is another.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/21/16 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
did Jr play with Blaze this weekend? Will kids qualify and show up to play in the tournament without the required 2 minimum? Saw him with the Blaze at Blatant, but not sure if there is another.


He was with Crush
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/21/16 07:21 PM
Doesn't matter if you ask me they dont even make top 2 in there division that team is in shambles ...... coach is a THUG they better hope JS takes over the reins for the next couple of weeks to straighten things out but even at that its to late .... THE ONLY THING BLAZING IS THE THUG COACHES BIG MOUTH. Save your money!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/23/16 03:42 PM
Detailed schedule is now available for WYSL!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/28/16 02:57 PM
Predictions?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/28/16 03:49 PM

the team with the most 14 year olds wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Predictions?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/28/16 06:08 PM
Zummo is bringing his 2020 team funny how rest of 2020 teams big tournaments are recruiting ones except TAZ This is there big one. Our boys will beat them on TV
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/29/16 01:20 PM
Good Luck with that one PAL. put your name on "OUR BOYS" team so we can look out for your prediction. Either Igloo (doubtful), or a 88+3 Parent would be so stupid to Rant this trash. Complete haters because you know what's on that team you know you will have some issues all around !



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zummo is bringing his 2020 team funny how rest of 2020 teams big tournaments are recruiting ones except TAZ This is there big one. Our boys will beat them on TV
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/29/16 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zummo is bringing his 2020 team funny how rest of 2020 teams big tournaments are recruiting ones except TAZ This is there big one. Our boys will beat them on TV

Even if this is true, who is at fault? Who changed the rules to fit his agenda? Last time I checked this tournament was not created by Zummo. How many Crush kids will be on that Blaze team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/29/16 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good Luck with that one PAL. put your name on "OUR BOYS" team so we can look out for your prediction. Either Igloo (doubtful), or a 88+3 Parent would be so stupid to Rant this trash. Complete haters because you know what's on that team you know you will have some issues all around !



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zummo is bringing his 2020 team funny how rest of 2020 teams big tournaments are recruiting ones except TAZ This is there big one. Our boys will beat them on TV


yeah, what's on that team is called RISING FRESHMAN.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/29/16 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good Luck with that one PAL. put your name on "OUR BOYS" team so we can look out for your prediction. Either Igloo (doubtful), or a 88+3 Parent would be so stupid to Rant this trash. Complete haters because you know what's on that team you know you will have some issues all around !


Only on LI team can "beat" Taz on TV and it is not 88+3.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zummo is bringing his 2020 team funny how rest of 2020 teams big tournaments are recruiting ones except TAZ This is there big one. Our boys will beat them on TV
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/29/16 02:59 PM
impossible for 91 to play Taz on TV. So clearly it is soeone on other side of bracket igloo/ Koopers etc
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/29/16 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zummo is bringing his 2020 team funny how rest of 2020 teams big tournaments are recruiting ones except TAZ This is there big one. Our boys will beat them on TV


This is not a TAZ tournament. While the younger TAZ players will attend, it's not the 2020 team, as I suspect you already know. You probably also know that TAZ just played Crabfeast, and has several recruiting tournaments to go. I doubt your little Johnny will be in them. Keep trolling!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/29/16 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zummo is bringing his 2020 team funny how rest of 2020 teams big tournaments are recruiting ones except TAZ This is there big one. Our boys will beat them on TV

Even if this is true, who is at fault? Who changed the rules to fit his agenda? Last time I checked this tournament was not created by Zummo. How many Crush kids will be on that Blaze team?


Okay then, love the defense. Just because everyone is doing it.

I remember Gladwell saying when everyone is taking advantage of a questionable opportunity, it is no longer an advantage but the norm. Then a new opportunity comes along to take advantage of.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/29/16 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zummo is bringing his 2020 team funny how rest of 2020 teams big tournaments are recruiting ones except TAZ This is there big one. Our boys will beat them on TV

Even if this is true, who is at fault? Who changed the rules to fit his agenda? Last time I checked this tournament was not created by Zummo. How many Crush kids will be on that Blaze team?


Okay then, love the defense. Just because everyone is doing it.

I remember Gladwell saying when everyone is taking advantage of a questionable opportunity, it is no longer an advantage but the norm. Then a new opportunity comes along to take advantage of.




Just because everyone is doing what? Following the rules! Aged based tournament. Please stop being stupid. Sorry your little one is not good enough this year, and will be too old next year.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/30/16 12:29 AM
Honestly how many 2020 players are on Legacy honest
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/30/16 01:31 AM
Does anybody have a copy of the Crush-Crabs game from last year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/30/16 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly how many 2020 players are on Legacy honest


Who cares. They go by age anyway. Nothing illegal
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/30/16 02:50 AM
Try ESPN 3 on line
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/30/16 03:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly how many 2020 players are on Legacy honest


Who cares. They go by age anyway. Nothing illegal

They go by age now because it suits them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/30/16 04:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody have a copy of the Crush-Crabs game from last year?

If you have Apple TV and you use the ESPN app.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/30/16 10:44 AM
Anyone ranting about new rules for this year's tournament is being ridiculous. The rules changed early enough for any team to decide it was not for them or to add players that fit the bill. You have 1-2 teams coming outside the US. Their schools system isn't grade based like ours. The goal is to have more non us teams in years to come. Last year there was a kid that turned 14 during the games and yet there were teams with 12 yr olds and 13. While I despise reclassing and feel it is a desperate move to make an avg kid standout against his younger peers, this tournament isn't playing by grade, so anyone within the age restrictions are free to play. It's not taking advantage, it's the rules. It's more along the U system that used to be played in most tournaments. So really, whether Taz or Blaze or any MD, Fl or international team has kids that are older than an avg or young 7th grader is not important.

Truthfully, I liked the way it was done last year with the teams going in with their set tourney team and not an all star team, but I see why teams would put together an all star team as the week can be expensive, so they maximize their chances of doing well.

Good luck to all- it was a great experience for my son and I hope the spirit and love for the game that was there last year is there this year as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/30/16 11:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Try ESPN 3 on line


I've tried but the search doesn't go back that far (unless I'm missing something).

If I had written down the URL, I think I could still bring it up, but I forgot.

Can anybody else access it? If so, can you share the URL to the game via watchespn? Or any other method?

Thank you. I don't have Apple TV.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 06/30/16 02:32 PM
Hey LI LETS Enjoy this with the kids and support LI. No bashing and BS kids are all talented to be playing in this the best TEAM will win
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/01/16 12:20 AM
All the talk about age and all the non sense associated with it ... WE WILL FIND OUT COME MONDAY will the oldest team win .I DONT THINK SO BUT THE BEST TEAM WILL .GOOD LUCK TO ALL PREDICTION THE TITLE IS COMING BACK TO LI
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/01/16 01:56 AM
Anybody but Igloo.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/01/16 02:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly how many 2020 players are on Legacy honest


Who cares. They go by age anyway. Nothing illegal


Is it only age now or age with grade? big difference between two
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/01/16 03:20 AM
I agree.
We will see 2 LI teams in the finals and that's what counts.
Good luck to all the players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/01/16 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly how many 2020 players are on Legacy honest


Who cares. They go by age anyway. Nothing illegal


Is it only age now or age with grade? big difference between two


It is JUST AGE- grade is irrelevant as many states and countries do not line up for grade based play. It levels the field and anyone club can put together a team that fits the age restrictions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/01/16 11:43 AM
Take another sip of the HATORADE!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/01/16 05:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly how many 2020 players are on Legacy honest


Who cares. They go by age anyway. Nothing illegal


Is it only age now or age with grade? big difference between two


It is JUST AGE- grade is irrelevant as many states and countries do not line up for grade based play. It levels the field and anyone club can put together a team that fits the age restrictions.


That is the way it should be at youth level..AGE!..but many people want grade as it gives a select few(holdbacks) an advantage at an early age.. Pretty pathetic to want your 4th grader heldback playing against 3rd graders....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/01/16 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody but Igloo.....


Whats wrong with Igloo??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/02/16 01:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody but Igloo.....


Whats wrong with Igloo??

They currently sit on top of the hill.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/03/16 10:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody but Igloo.....


Whats wrong with Igloo??

They currently sit on top of the hill.


well they were dethroned yesterday...mad dog west beat them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/03/16 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody but Igloo.....


Whats wrong with Igloo??

They currently sit on top of the hill.


well they were dethroned yesterday...mad dog west beat them


Still in it though.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/03/16 04:08 PM
Where are scores being posted? Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/03/16 08:19 PM
Zummo is cruising...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/03/16 08:42 PM
Impressive stats by Zummo , Fogo has insane stats , gonna take alot of athleticism to chase that kid down. good luck blaze 8am tomorrow . Going to be a good game .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/03/16 08:53 PM

The looks of stats it clearly shows team play all across the roster . all of Zummos team offensively had noted stats . Including his defensive players. Looking at other teams you clearly see those high statistics only amongst 3-4 players . Legecy has depth unlike other teams who claim they do.
Stats do not lie !
A well coached team will take this tournament at this point.





quote=Anonymous]Zummo is cruising... [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/03/16 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody but Igloo.....


Whats wrong with Igloo??

They currently sit on top of the hill.


well they were dethroned yesterday...mad dog west beat them


Odd stat sheet. Only 1 assist per team in a 10-8 game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/03/16 11:37 PM
And Blaze stats 4 top scorers and a drop off. and 2 out of the 4 were crushers . Uneven stats ! looks like that team relys on 4 players , that's gonna hurt when they advance .players who you would have thought have more goals are lucky they had an single goal and more so assist out of those 5 games.I am sure there's alot of disappointed mom's and dads who know their kid could do better then that but just can't ..good luck tomorrow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 12:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The looks of stats it clearly shows team play all across the roster . all of Zummos team offensively had noted stats . Including his defensive players. Looking at other teams you clearly see those high statistics only amongst 3-4 players . Legecy has depth unlike other teams who claim they do.
Stats do not lie !
A well coached team will take this tournament at this point.





quote=Anonymous]Zummo is cruising...
[/quote]


Mom and dad proud of little Johnnie beating up on youngins. Try playing 2019 not 2021.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 12:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly how many 2020 players are on Legacy honest


Who cares. They go by age anyway. Nothing illegal


Is it only age now or age with grade? big difference between two


It is JUST AGE- grade is irrelevant as many states and countries do not line up for grade based play. It levels the field and anyone club can put together a team that fits the age restrictions.


That is the way it should be at youth level..AGE!..but many people want grade as it gives a select few(holdbacks) an advantage at an early age.. Pretty pathetic to want your 4th grader heldback playing against 3rd graders....


Yes should be age but not the cut off of May. Even August is questionable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 12:32 AM
the best TEAM will win
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 12:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And Blaze stats 4 top scorers and a drop off. and 2 out of the 4 were crushers . Uneven stats ! looks like that team relys on 4 players , that's gonna hurt when they advance .players who you would have thought have more goals are lucky they had an single goal and more so assist out of those 5 games.I am sure there's alot of disappointed mom's and dads who know their kid could do better then that but just can't ..good luck tomorrow.


That's the 91 way, as long as the chosen one stands in the crease, there's moot a problem!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 12:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Impressive stats by Zummo , Fogo has insane stats , gonna take alot of athleticism to chase that kid down. good luck blaze 8am tomorrow . Going to be a good game .


Looks easy when you're an 8th grader playing against mostly 7th graders. Guess you can say the same for most of the other "stand outs".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 01:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Impressive stats by Zummo , Fogo has insane stats , gonna take alot of athleticism to chase that kid down. good luck blaze 8am tomorrow . Going to be a good game .


Looks easy when you're an 8th grader playing against mostly 7th graders. Guess you can say the same for most of the other "stand outs".

You could put 12 graders against that kid and he would still have fantastic numbers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 01:52 AM
Age is age regardless what people are bitching about , CLASS OF 2020 or 2021 if you make the cut off , there is no case on complaining . Just like the blaze crew will complain that the Legecy fogo is in 8th grade and there fogo is in 7th. AGE IS AGE period . Stop the bitching.
By the way no skin on either team but that fogo has to be one of the fastest clamps out there. Can't wait to see results from tomorrows Game


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The looks of stats it clearly shows team play all across the roster . all of Zummos team offensively had noted stats . Including his defensive players. Looking at other teams you clearly see those high statistics only amongst 3-4 players . Legecy has depth unlike other teams who claim they do.
Stats do not lie !
A well coached team will take this tournament at this point.





quote=Anonymous]Zummo is cruising...



Mom and dad proud of little Johnnie beating up on youngins. Try playing 2019 not 2021. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 02:00 AM
AGE BASED TOURNEY. GRADES ARE IRRELEVANT JACKOFFS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 02:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AGE BASED TOURNEY. GRADES ARE IRRELEVANT JACKOFFS



Rather than argue like children, take pride in the fact that 3 of the 4 teams left are from Long Island. Taz, Blaze and Black Ice have proven that that LI has the best youth teams in age based lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:26 AM
Why pick an age cuttoff that splits right down the middle of 2 grades. It is stupid. There is not a club team out there that is trying to blend 7th and 8th graders. Nor does USA lacrosse encourage an age cutoff that promotes mixing 7th and 8h graders. It is awkward and inconvenient for everyone. And made a mess of the teams for this years event. It will forever remain a mystery why the event chose to do something so random and outside the norm. And will always be a problem trying to mix and match 7th and 8th graders. It is just not practical for anybody and will wear on kids and club programs. How about September 1 and keep it to a single grade and make everyone's life easier. Mixing and matching 7th and 8th graders is and always will be a nightmare.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 05:06 AM
Great three LI teams in semis Let's support LI Let's knock the knocking people off
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 07:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why pick an age cuttoff that splits right down the middle of 2 grades. It is stupid. There is not a club team out there that is trying to blend 7th and 8th graders. Nor does USA lacrosse encourage an age cutoff that promotes mixing 7th and 8h graders. It is awkward and inconvenient for everyone. And made a mess of the teams for this years event. It will forever remain a mystery why the event chose to do something so random and outside the norm. And will always be a problem trying to mix and match 7th and 8th graders. It is just not practical for anybody and will wear on kids and club programs. How about September 1 and keep it to a single grade and make everyone's life easier. Mixing and matching 7th and 8th graders is and always will be a nightmare.


Once again- Not All States Nor COUNTRIES align properly with GRADE. This is the WORLD series and they are trying to promote teams from all over- not just the hot beds and not just from the states. This is just the beginning - but it will grow despite the fact that some hotbed teams are not in it this year because the experience for the kids is incredible and they are treated amazingly well. The NE might be the hot bed of lax, but let's not be so egocentric to think that the whole tournament should be focused around our school cut offs for grade. Hockey is a sport that is smack in the middle of the school year and yet the kids live to tell about their experiences and get this- enjoy it- despite the fact that half of their team is on a different grade! The horror of it all!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 10:02 AM
why does every club make it mandatory that your kid has a US Lacrosse ID number? Because of the insurance it provides your kid. So with that comes power. What US Lacrosse needs to do is add a stipulation that their insurance is only covering players who participates in US Lacrosse rules based tournaments. So now if your kid gets hurt in some NLF tournament their is no insurance and maybe now the parent whose kid gets injured can sue the tournament for injuries occurred by a player 2 years older!! Do you want to see how fast everyone conforms then!! Insurance is too expensive.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great three LI teams in semis Let's support LI Let's knock the knocking people off


Lets go Long Island. Great showing by MD this year. Oh well, there is always next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Age is age regardless what people are bitching about , CLASS OF 2020 or 2021 if you make the cut off , there is no case on complaining . Just like the blaze crew will complain that the Legecy fogo is in 8th grade and there fogo is in 7th. AGE IS AGE period . Stop the bitching.
By the way no skin on either team but that fogo has to be one of the fastest clamps out there. Can't wait to see results from tomorrows Game


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The looks of stats it clearly shows team play all across the roster . all of Zummos team offensively had noted stats . Including his defensive players. Looking at other teams you clearly see those high statistics only amongst 3-4 players . Legecy has depth unlike other teams who claim they do.
Stats do not lie !
A well coached team will take this tournament at this point.





quote=Anonymous]Zummo is cruising...



Mom and dad proud of little Johnnie beating up on youngins. Try playing 2019 not 2021.
[/quote] Age based is age based moron.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:19 AM
What are the match ups for the semi's? It's awesome that 3 of the 4 teams are from Long Island!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
AGE BASED TOURNEY. GRADES ARE IRRELEVANT JACKOFFS



Rather than argue like children, take pride in the fact that 3 of the 4 teams left are from Long Island. Taz, Blaze and Black Ice have proven that that LI has the best youth teams in age based lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:53 AM
you can see the birthdays of the players if you click on their name in the scoring leaders page. A lot of 2002s. All legal for this tourney but pretty interesting
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 12:04 PM
Is the final on tv like last year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 12:12 PM
Silly that people had to travel to Colorado to play each other, could stay here and do that! 8th graders are looking good playing 7th graders. You can say it's age based, but the 8th graders have a clear and significant advantage. First of all they are the oldest, second, they are experienced in playing with their own grade. These kids do not stand out in the same way playing grade based, and I doubt there will be much bragging next week playing on grade competition. You 8th graders are getting a taste of what it's like being a holdback, that is essentially what you are in this tournament. I would love to see true 7th graders make some noise!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 12:19 PM
JJIslipborn in 5/02
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why pick an age cuttoff that splits right down the middle of 2 grades. It is stupid. There is not a club team out there that is trying to blend 7th and 8th graders. Nor does USA lacrosse encourage an age cutoff that promotes mixing 7th and 8h graders. It is awkward and inconvenient for everyone. And made a mess of the teams for this years event. It will forever remain a mystery why the event chose to do something so random and outside the norm. And will always be a problem trying to mix and match 7th and 8th graders. It is just not practical for anybody and will wear on kids and club programs. How about September 1 and keep it to a single grade and make everyone's life easier. Mixing and matching 7th and 8th graders is and always will be a nightmare.


I think they moved the cutoff age for a few reasons, but I believe the biggest is the amount of states with different dates for school grades. NY is 12/1 so yes many 8th graders qualify. Many states are 9/1 or even 6/1 so in those states, like Pa, many of their 7th grade players would be in 8th in Ny.
So while in NY the clubs have issues because they are blended teams, a lot of clubs in other states are of their age.
The World Series website has all the rosters and ages listed and stats for each player. Most of the kids in the tourney are 2002 birth year and should all be 8th grade in Ny.

Forget the discussion that then occurs with hold backs. I'm sure there are a few teams that decided not to go to the WS because their kids were even older than the 5/1 date.

If you get past the split grade issue for us in NY, this is truly an age bed tourney that you have to prove your age and location to,play on a team. We all complain about older kids on teams, now there is a check and balance system in this tourney to prevent the 15 year old 7th grader from playing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 01:18 PM
Yes support Taz kids born May/ June/ aug. a joke
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Silly that people had to travel to Colorado to play each other, could stay here and do that! 8th graders are looking good playing 7th graders. You can say it's age based, but the 8th graders have a clear and significant advantage. First of all they are the oldest, second, they are experienced in playing with their own grade. These kids do not stand out in the same way playing grade based, and I doubt there will be much bragging next week playing on grade competition. You 8th graders are getting a taste of what it's like being a holdback, that is essentially what you are in this tournament. I would love to see true 7th graders make some noise!


The semi game is all 8th graders! Many good 7th graders not even getting a chance to play! Shameful
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 02:50 PM
Legacy 2021 team is a b team at best ant they are killing 91, wow
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 02:59 PM
Zummo is steamrolling Spallina.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy 2021 team is a b team at best ant they are killing 91, wow


Can someone post results from semi finals??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:11 PM
After looking at the DOB's of the NY teams involved all the crying about MD holdbacks should stop. Just as guilty. Comical. 8th graders pretending to be 7th graders. 7th graders are in 7th grade. What a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zummo is steamrolling Spallina.....


Crush boys did nothing!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy 2021 team is a b team at best ant they are killing 91, wow


Can someone post results from semi finals??


16-4 Spanked!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After looking at the DOB's of the NY teams involved all the crying about MD holdbacks should stop. Just as guilty. Comical. 8th graders pretending to be 7th graders. 7th graders are in 7th grade. What a joke.


What don't people understand no one was playing down on any team its an AGE BASED tournament period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:26 PM
Taz and igloo in the finals
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:34 PM

MD 2021 and 2020 kids were too old for the May 1, 2002 cutoff date.
quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great three LI teams in semis Let's support LI Let's knock the knocking people off


Lets go Long Island. Great showing by MD this year. Oh well, there is always next year. [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:39 PM
Ok Taz mom or dad. You have eleven player born before Aug 2002. Do you think that's why your winning. No dog in the race just hate fake people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Taz and igloo in the finals


7th graders vs 8th graders!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zummo is steamrolling Spallina.....


Crush boys did nothing!


The 3 OR 4 players from Crush who played, on their own do not bring much . I would be a little careful with the mind set that somehow "legacy beat crush". Although not a Crush fan and very very happy for Zummo , I've watched Crush play and when their big dogs are on the field no team in the age will come within 10 goals of them. CONGRATS ZUMMO !!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:51 PM
Although blaze got into this tournie , they are far from what should have been! A complete money maker , all about the parents riding high with great talent on paper I guess housewives of 88+3 will be cancelled after this season... Back to the drawing board . Dreamteam should have stayed where they were , they didn't gel with blaze , and it proves playing a long time together has its advantages .foolish for JS to even aknowledge getting involved and getting embarrassed in the end.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:54 PM
I am not an igloo fan but they are by far the best 2021 team in the country. They did not add older kids to play in this tournament and kept the team intact. Many Maryland 2021 and 2020 teams could enter because they were too old. Not just picking on Maryland this goes for many other teams in other states. If tournaments go age based no one will compete with Long Island. Sad to say that grade based tournaments may be the way to go so Long Island teams could get some out of state competition. Three Long Island teams entered this tournament and three made it to the final four. The youngest long island team and youngest in the World Series tournament vs the oldest in the finals. Should be a great game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Taz and igloo in the finals


7th graders vs 8th graders!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:56 PM
Taz can not win against kids there own size so they went all the way to CO to play down and win?? What a joke!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 03:57 PM
L.I. Teams cheating just exactly how they accuse MD teams of. Hypocrites!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 04:02 PM
how are they cheating? Its age based, bring your best within age thats what the rules said.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Taz can not win against kids there own size so they went all the way to CO to play down and win?? What a joke!

Lol, beat at your own game 91 parent!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
L.I. Teams cheating just exactly how they accuse MD teams of. Hypocrites!!!!!


Moron! All the teams are playing by the age based rules. Sorry your little holdback can't compete with kids his own age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 04:12 PM
Wait didn't spallina take an Ohio State commit? and a few other crushers? Now because they lost and got their teeth kicked in Taz is cheating? Pu$$!3
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Taz can not win against kids there own size so they went all the way to CO to play down and win?? What a joke!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 04:14 PM
Congratulations to Zummo for making the finals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After looking at the DOB's of the NY teams involved all the crying about MD holdbacks should stop. Just as guilty. Comical. 8th graders pretending to be 7th graders. 7th graders are in 7th grade. What a joke.


funny thing is they will all tell you they aren't holdbacks. They are just playing in this special game with the special date boundaries. It is allowed so they took advantage of it.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Taz can not win against kids there own size so they went all the way to CO to play down and win?? What a joke!


1st, it is not Taz. 2d no one is playing down in an aged based tournament. The Taz players who do play are showing how good they are against kids their own age. It is really bothering parents of hold backs who have lost their advantage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 04:26 PM
What are you talking about? Igloo was the youngest team in the World Series. They are all born after Sept 1, 2002 and mostly 2003 birthdates. Maryland 2021 teams were too old for the May 1, 2002 cut off date. This is how dominant Long Island teams would be if they held back like Maryland and other states. Congratulations to all three Long Island teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
L.I. Teams cheating just exactly how they accuse MD teams of. Hypocrites!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 04:47 PM
How many of the 7th graders area actually older then the 8th graders ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am not an igloo fan but they are by far the best 2021 team in the country. They did not add older kids to play in this tournament and kept the team intact. Many Maryland 2021 and 2020 teams could enter because they were too old. Not just picking on Maryland this goes for many other teams in other states. If tournaments go age based no one will compete with Long Island. Sad to say that grade based tournaments may be the way to go so Long Island teams could get some out of state competition. Three Long Island teams entered this tournament and three made it to the final four. The youngest long island team and youngest in the World Series tournament vs the oldest in the finals. Should be a great game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Taz and igloo in the finals


7th graders vs 8th graders!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 05:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are you talking about? Igloo was the youngest team in the World Series. They are all born after Sept 1, 2002 and mostly 2003 birthdates. Maryland 2021 teams were too old for the May 1, 2002 cut off date. This is how dominant Long Island teams would be if they held back like Maryland and other states. Congratulations to all three Long Island teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
L.I. Teams cheating just exactly how they accuse MD teams of. Hypocrites!!!!!


Crybaby wawawa
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 05:16 PM
Your and idiot.3 of your top scorers were born in May 02, all your d was born in June.
Igloo a couple of Nov 02, mostly all 2003. I hate parents that act like thier kid is the best and forget to tell people he is a year older then every body. Can u say loser.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 05:47 PM
Legacy !!!! Congrats Boys great game !! Proud of the boys ! Other than lil DELETED was outmatched think he had all their goals. Legacy midfield and fogo owned the game !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy !!!! Congrats Boys great game !! Proud of the boys ! Other than lil DELETED was outmatched think he had all their goals. Legacy midfield and fogo owned the game !!


It was 16-4 I think the ENTIRE BLAZE TEAM was out matched, he/they did well against awful teams of little or no relevamce.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Taz can not win against kids there own size so they went all the way to CO to play down and win?? What a joke!


1st, it is not Taz. 2d no one is playing down in an aged based tournament. The Taz players who do play are showing how good they are against kids their own age. It is really bothering parents of hold backs who have lost their advantage.


we all know what is going on. Lets not get into semantics. Kids their age, really, come on now. You will always have an older and a younger. but May 02 cut off is the joke. this is not same age. Now as far as it beign a Taz team, I don't know but how many Taz players on the team.

This does not show who is best at a generally defined age/level bracket. because this age range was made special to these games. wish it wasn't such a moving target.

The shame of it is you had a chance to do good and set a level field, and a clearly define age grouping to be sensible. You could have used a few different widely recognized date breaks by sports (any sport). You use Jan 1 okay, you use Sept 1 okay, Use Nov 1, okay.

You didn't, people are definitely laughing at those who say they are #1 when no one know #1 at what.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 06:28 PM
Everyone knows it's 90% Taz on that team! Congrats to the boys and coaches but doesn't say much when only tournament a 2020 team wins is against mostly 2021 players. Yes it's a U tournament but its a little tainted
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 07:30 PM
Most of the scoring from Those born May 2002. That means just older. A cut off of June 2002 has Legacy out of this. Congrats to the boys but don't say they are playing kids the same age.

quote=Anonymous]Everyone knows it's 90% Taz on that team! Congrats to the boys and coaches but doesn't say much when only tournament a 2020 team wins is against mostly 2021 players. Yes it's a U tournament but its a little tainted [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 07:36 PM
I was looking at the same thing. These players are all listed as 2020's. Is igloo the same way.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 07:48 PM
Oldest kid on Igloo, I think is Nov 02,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 07:57 PM
Oh come on somebody has to be the youngest, just because someones kid falls at the younger end of the spectrum, someone else falls at the front end. Make it Jan 1st the end of year kids get screwed, make it September 1st, the summer kids get screwed. When my kid played baseball, the age cut off changed from August to May, never got picked for all stars when it was August, always got picked when it went to May. He is July birthday. Nothing you can do except work harder.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 07:59 PM
Sucks for igloo Physically impossible for them to compete in this Very unfortunate
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 08:07 PM
I believe the rules clearly state 5/1/02 is the cut off. Nothing states 2021, if you don't like it don't play. There are several teams that chose not to play in the tournament. Did they change the rules to fit their agenda? Yup! I am sitting in my backyard with my little Johnnie who didn't go to Colorado because well I just have the money and he doesn't play for any of those teams. I will have ESPN2 on in the background at 6 pm hoping Zummo wins.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 08:17 PM
If your kid worked harder he wouldn't have to drop down and play younger kids to stand out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 08:27 PM
this is a singular tournament that has nothing ti di with 2021. Different ages. Winning this doesnt make you the 2021 champ. Next week igloo, blaze, and the 2021 team from the third program will be at nxt. They will be the 2021 teams, not these hybrid teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 08:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe the rules clearly state 5/1/02 is the cut off. Nothing states 2021, if you don't like it don't play. There are several teams that chose not to play in the tournament. Did they change the rules to fit their agenda? Yup! I am sitting in my backyard with my little Johnnie who didn't go to Colorado because well I just have the money and he doesn't play for any of those teams. I will have ESPN2 on in the background at 6 pm hoping Zummo wins.


If these kids really represent the best players in youth lacrosse, we should be seeing them win championships in the next couple tournaments they attend next week. Hmmmm?? Money says they don't even make to the finals playing on grade. But for today, glad to see Crush exposed when their top players not there, just an average team, at best. Hope Igloo find a way to surprise everyone, but will certainly be tough playing mostly 8th graders. Don't think this is how this tournament was intended to play out!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 08:31 PM

Only thing that is tainted is you parents who still hold onto the grade vs age bracket .. they set the age limit and everyone who played in this tournament has the proof they belonged within guidelines . Get over it already. We all know JS kicks himself for being involved in this mess. And more so salt in the wound by a couple of his Ex players shoving it down his throat.


quote=Anonymous]Everyone knows it's 90% Taz on that team! Congrats to the boys and coaches but doesn't say much when only tournament a 2020 team wins is against mostly 2021 players. Yes it's a U tournament but its a little tainted [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 08:33 PM
No issue with Igloo. Always been on age and dominate. But the rest of you delusional people who pretend to think your not gaming the system (like a small amount of MD teams who you crucify on here daily) and hide behind the fictitious cutoff date with CURRENT 8th graders (like a small amount of MD teams you crucify on here daily) in a 7th grade tournament make fools of yourselves.

Your are know better than the "we're just following the rules as stated" MD parents. LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 09:02 PM
It's 8th graders vs. 7th graders. The A middle school line vs. the B. Everyone knows it! All you 8th graders are good 8th grade players, not great. But you will look great today playing 7th graders. Cherish the moment or start making plans to repeat 8th grade! It's back to reality next week!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 09:10 PM
Igloo gets screwed in this process. No one expected Blaze to win it, but igloo was a team dominated by 2020 kids wonder if this will be only tournament Legacy wins this summer lolol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 09:11 PM
Please somebody show me where it says 2021 tournament, 7th grade tournament or anything about only 13 year olds? Did the rules change from last year? I think they did but when you read the rules it says the cut off date is 5/1/2002. That could make the oldest kid 14 years old by about 2 months give or take. No my kid is not in Colorado and does not play down and yes he could work harder but I am not worried about that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 09:15 PM
Is Blaze going to play Mad Dog west?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo gets screwed in this process. No one expected Blaze to win it, but igloo was a team dominated by 2020 kids wonder if this will be only tournament Legacy wins this summer lolol


or AA was arrogant for not grabbing age legal 2020s?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 09:39 PM
It doesn't say 2021 but come on. An average to below average 2020 team knew what they were doing here. Let's go igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 09:45 PM

Gotta love sour grapes.. all you parents who spent big money on this tournament , and the best you can do now because its not your sons team in the spotlight is claim a team cheating. You all need your heads examined and stop drinking corperate lacrosse kool-aide. 88+3 housewives. Classic... Lmfao

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It doesn't say 2021 but come on. An average to below average 2020 team knew what they were doing here. Let's go igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 10:06 PM
Let's see how many of your kids go D1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 10:07 PM
[quote=Anonymous]
Gotta love sour grapes.. all you parents who spent big money on this tournament , and the best you can do now because its not your sons team in the spotlight is claim a team cheating. You all need your heads examined and stop drinking corperate lacrosse kool-aide. 88+3 housewives. Classic... Lmfao

Not a fan of 88+3 either. It's about the nonsense legacy (you guys)pulled Still won't get you to the school you want funny you think it's about the spotlight ! Come on BM
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 10:21 PM
The White team looks a lot bigger than the blue team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 10:46 PM
This is a disgrace!!!
This is like a varsity playing a JV. And The JV team is showing they belong.
These kids in white if they were good would play up. Turned 14 in May. Kudos to those crushers who played up at Under Armour. That's how you show you belong. Not this way of playing down.

Zummo this is a new low. You could never put together a rising Fresman team now you just played your rising freshman down a year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 10:49 PM
Outliers... Do what you can to cheat the system. Then when every else games the system you are no longer an outlier. Because gaming the system becomes the system.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 10:55 PM
Igloo 2021 was the top team for years. It's a shame that other team in finals has 2002 birth dates. Par for the course in this sport.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo 2021 was the top team for years. It's a shame that other team in finals has 2002 birth dates. Par for the course in this sport.


They still are a top 2021 team. Don't confuse things. Legacy coaches kids aren't even playing and they are original legacy 2021 players hop they see time. In 4th qtr.

This is how parents get into fights about youth sports
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:14 PM
f/io kid who looks like a star will be shut down next week vs. crush and looneys. Smoke and mirrors when you are an 8th grader vs. 7th!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a disgrace!!!
This is like a varsity playing a JV. And The JV team is showing they belong.
These kids in white if they were good would play up. Turned 14 in May. Kudos to those crushers who played up at Under Armour. That's how you show you belong. Not this way of playing down.

Zummo this is a new low. You could never put together a rising Fresman team now you just played your rising freshman down a year.


Only 2 "Crushers" played up at Under Armour, and they happen to be the 2 top players and attackman in the country at the age, and are both comitted to major D1 schools I wouldn't remotely compare them to anything you see in this game . It's a fun game to watch but the skill and athleticism of those 2 "crushers" is at a completely different level. Crush would be a different team without them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:14 PM
Did I just hear the announcer say there is a 9th grader on the field for Legacy?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:16 PM
Quint why not say legacy is a year older. This is nothing compared to those Crush kids last year. Barely a mention of last years team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:16 PM
Igloo goalie much better than the Legacy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:20 PM
He actually was born October 2003
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a disgrace!!!
This is like a varsity playing a JV. And The JV team is showing they belong.
These kids in white if they were good would play up. Turned 14 in May. Kudos to those crushers who played up at Under Armour. That's how you show you belong. Not this way of playing down.

Zummo this is a new low. You could never put together a rising Fresman team now you just played your rising freshman down a year.


Only 2 "Crushers" played up at Under Armour, and they happen to be the 2 top players and attackman in the country at the age, and are both comitted to major D1 schools I wouldn't remotely compare them to anything you see in this game . It's a fun game to watch but the skill and athleticism of those 2 "crushers" is at a completely different level. Crush would be a different team without them


No, you are wrong. This game should have the next ones. Not down. Those defenders are kids who play consistently against the Crush kids because THEY are the same age. Zummos defense is a month younger than the "crusher".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:35 PM
Terrible lacrosse 6 of the 8 goals from 9th grade 2020 middies. another goal from a 9th grade 14 yr old D pole in the 4th qtr. And finally a Very late EMO goal by an attackman. The first line middy did not come off the field. players # 2,5,3 . Last years crush team would have dismantled Legacy with how they move he ball
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:42 PM
Will Zummo be the next Maddux and start the holdback trend on Li. Wonder if crush will play summons 2020 team. Imagine that on field smack talk.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:52 PM
news flash, noone cares about your Crush nonsense or your ridiculous WSYL, what an absolute farce, you people all need serious help.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/04/16 11:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a disgrace!!!
This is like a varsity playing a JV. And The JV team is showing they belong.
These kids in white if they were good would play up. Turned 14 in May. Kudos to those crushers who played up at Under Armour. That's how you show you belong. Not this way of playing down.



Zummo this is a new low. You could never put together a rising Fresman team now you just played your rising freshman down a year.


Only 2 "Crushers" played up at Under Armour, and they happen to be the 2 top players and attackman in the country at the age, and are both comitted to major D1 schools I wouldn't remotely compare them to anything you see in this game . It's a fun game to watch but the skill and athleticism of those 2 "crushers" is at a completely different level. Crush would be a different team without them


No, you are wrong. This game should have the next ones. Not down. Those defenders are kids who play consistently against the Crush kids because THEY are the same age. Zummos defense is a month younger than the "crusher".


Again people get caught up in the age thing , I'm certain all of those kids were age appropriate for the tournament. I do get it that just because you can do something it doesn't mean you should . Know one forced anyone to bring their kid's to Denver and play.freedom of choice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Terrible lacrosse 6 of the 8 goals from 9th grade 2020 middies. another goal from a 9th grade 14 yr old D pole in the 4th qtr. And finally a Very late EMO goal by an attackman. The first line middy did not come off the field. players # 2,5,3 . Last years crush team would have dismantled Legacy with how they move he ball


Played by the rules. Everyone else who took the "high road" regrets it now. This was a transition year. Next year there will be tryouts for the wsyl team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He actually was born October 2003


Did he only play a half?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a disgrace!!!
This is like a varsity playing a JV. And The JV team is showing they belong.
These kids in white if they were good would play up. Turned 14 in May. Kudos to those crushers who played up at Under Armour. That's how you show you belong. Not this way of playing down.

Zummo this is a new low. You could never put together a rising Fresman team now you just played your rising freshman down a year.


Only 2 "Crushers" played up at Under Armour, and they happen to be the 2 top players and attackman in the country at the age, and are both comitted to major D1 schools I wouldn't remotely compare them to anything you see in this game . It's a fun game to watch but the skill and athleticism of those 2 "crushers" is at a completely different level. Crush would be a different team without them


No, you are wrong. This game should have the next ones. Not down. Those defenders are kids who play consistently against the Crush kids because THEY are the same age. Zummos defense is a month younger than the "crusher".


Same age maybe, no where near the same skill, not a great game by any means.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:13 AM
A complete disgrace. How could those parents be happy with that win. Same kids never came off the field and the 2nd goalie only played for 5 min. Hope it was a nice vacation for all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A complete disgrace. How could those parents be happy with that win. Same kids never came off the field and the 2nd goalie only played for 5 min. Hope it was a nice vacation for all.


yes! an 8th grade beat down of 7th graders. Attack so weak when compared to age -on. Shameful! 7th Grade Goalie so much better! Fogo looks great playing against young kids, on age he's average! Enjoy for now, but don'y forget about that Karma! Congrats to the champions of the the world, cough, cough
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:26 AM

Sounds like the same complaint as last year with Crush. People seriously 1st line is the better if three lines , play to win you use the 1st line , it's not pay to play! If you want that maybe look into getting an extended PAL membership.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
A complete disgrace. How could those parents be happy with that win. Same kids never came off the field and the 2nd goalie only played for 5 min. Hope it was a nice vacation for all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:35 AM
2020 Taz beats 2021 Igloo in finals! Open the gift shop TZ selling Champion gear available at 8 am tommorrow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:47 AM
Why is 2020 playing 2021?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo gets screwed in this process. No one expected Blaze to win it, but igloo was a team dominated by 2020 kids wonder if this will be only tournament Legacy wins this summer lolol


or AA was arrogant for not grabbing age legal 2020s?
he tried but TZ got them first. In face one of the age eligible 2020's played for AA and igloo for years despite being a grade higher? Forfeit wins??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:00 AM
You people kill me, the tournament is set up that anyone born after 5/1/200/ is eligible. They could be in college, but if they are the right age then they can play. Seriously, give it a rest. The team that was better today won
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:10 AM
I belive most of Igloo's team will be eligible to play again next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I belive most of Igloo's team will be eligible to play again next year.

Lol, silly Rabbit you think the rules will remain the same which would give Igloo an advantage. I am sure that idea should be SMASHED.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:52 AM
It is unlikely the best programs will want to invest the time and resources to build, manage, and coach a "special" blended 7th and 8th grade team for one tournament in the middle of the club season. It is not practical and unrealistic. I believe WSYL will change again before the clubs reformat their programs. Easier for one event to change a line in their rules than every major club program changing how they operate and build and coach teams for 6 months just for one event. That is my prediction.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:56 AM
Legacy (Long Island) same as Crabs (Baltimore) = Cheaters

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

What a complete joke
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:58 AM
My 2019 son and 2018 nephew were laughing at how much bigger the white team was. The blue team goalie played his rear end off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I belive most of Igloo's team will be eligible to play again next year.


Yeah, no they won't.

If they were, they wouldn't have played this year. And it's age based, no complaints.
Igloo is an awesome team and deserving of the final 2
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 02:01 AM
[quote=Anonymous]I belive most of Igloo's team will be eligible to play again next year. [/quote


Not true.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy (Long Island) same as Crabs (Baltimore) = Cheaters

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

What a complete joke


Did they have kids with forged birth certificates? If not they did not cheat.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 02:42 AM
Such jealous haters out there! Once again, the tournament was age based - not grade based. All the teams had boys in the same age range. Grade does not matter. They had to prove age with birth certificates and school records.

Congratulations to Igloo and Legacy! Great job representing Long Island!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 02:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Such jealous haters out there! Once again, the tournament was age based - not grade based. All the teams had boys in the same age range. Grade does not matter. They had to prove age with birth certificates and school records.

Congratulations to Igloo and Legacy! Great job representing Long Island!


Congrats to the 8th graders, you did a great job beating 7th graders. Let's see how you look next week!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 03:00 AM
They def did not cheat but there is not one person who watched the game from their living room that thought the game or match up was "fair" because of the laughable difference in size. Yes, legacy was a skilled team but we all know the reason they won was because they were older and bigger not necessarily a better "lacrosse" team. Did you see the last minute when the true 2021 players were given a chance to play how they were the same size as Igloo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 03:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
f/io kid who looks like a star will be shut down next week vs. crush and looneys. Smoke and mirrors when you are an 8th grader vs. 7th!


Uhh, isn't he a Fall 2003 b-day?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 03:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I belive most of Igloo's team will be eligible to play again next year. [/quote


Not true.





Funny how all of the '02 birthdays on Igloo are November & December, meaning they are actually holdbacks and should be 2020 in the Long Island school system.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 03:10 AM
I think the championship truly showed that a few months really matter around this age.

Also, although I coach 9/1 legal 2021 team (like Igloo), the reality is that I understand that 5/1 is not a bad breakpoint for what was/is normal for private school kids to start/delay kindergarten. In other words, that may split up LI teams and it may split up a small portion of public school (mostly) teams, but it's the new normal in many cities.

I was definitely rooting for Igloo, but they simply looked like boys against young men, which is simply a matter of puberty. All that said, I thought the winners looked well coach.

PS - I was surprised how much both team pressed out on defense. Made the slides very hard.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 03:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
f/io kid who looks like a star will be shut down next week vs. crush and looneys. Smoke and mirrors when you are an 8th grader vs. 7th!


Uhh, isn't he a Fall 2003 b-day?


Yes, he is '03 birth date and played incredibly all weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 03:33 AM
Can someone tell me if that L Taz team plays in tournaments beside the WSYL? If most tournaments are grade base and they are a mix raising 9th and 8th graders, what tournaments do they play in?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 03:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They def did not cheat but there is not one person who watched the game from their living room that thought the game or match up was "fair" because of the laughable difference in size. Yes, legacy was a skilled team but we all know the reason they won was because they were older and bigger not necessarily a better "lacrosse" team. Did you see the last minute when the true 2021 players were given a chance to play how they were the same size as Igloo.



I thought the game was terrible lacrosse. No ball movement, nothing in transition, no real offense played. It looked like my 3rd grades team, where one kid dodges to the goal. Anybody count how many times they could have made one extra pass to a guy open in the corner instead of cranking it from the restrainingline? And igloo, how about running some two man game, or trying to attack/dump at angles? Somebody said they were very well coached????

And that farce of a trophy presentation at the end???? Stein berg makes me want to take a shower he is such a slime ball. Parents, this "tournament" is a sick money grab and a disgrace to youth sports.

The "international" Team Israel is full of kids with Jewish last names that live in Scarsdale, boca raton, Baltimore......is that some kind of a joke????

The quality of lacrosse was terrible, the kids that won showed ZERO emotion, and Steinberg almost forgot to hand them the trophy because he had to name all the sponsors and shove donuts in everybody's mouth.

Ridiculous and the more we buy into this money grab the more culpable we are for polluting the basic joys of youth sports by trying to turn in into some forced, poorly produced spectacle.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 03:48 AM
bitter igloo dad, you will eventually get over it. Just to review it was an AGE based not a 2021 tourney, correct??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 04:52 AM
I was not surprised by Igloo only going one on one like third grade lax. That is what they do. They also like to get the ball to middies to shoot. How about the Igloo defense who got beat one on one and did not slide the entire game. A lot of ball watching too. The defense just stayed back and did nothing when they needed the ball. The announcer saying kids this age are just learning to slide was a joke too. Very disapointing. However Igloo is still the best 2021 team by far and the legacy team was older. I think legacy was going one on one because they knew they could and it worked. They did not need to be creative when they could beat the defense at will. Can't fault them for that. Igloo needed to be more creative but seemed lost.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 05:03 AM
December 1 is the cut off for Long Island so those kids are real 2021 graduates and not holdbacks. As for the others they are all born after Sept 1 2002. So they really are legal. The other team was legal for this tournament. They were an older team and it showed. How do the champs do against Crush?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I belive most of Igloo's team will be eligible to play again next year. [/quote


Not true.





Funny how all of the '02 birthdays on Igloo are November & December, meaning they are actually holdbacks and should be 2020 in the Long Island school system.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 05:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
bitter igloo dad, you will eventually get over it. Just to review it was an AGE based not a 2021 tourney, correct??

Maybe I am a little bitter but funny question is wonder why you didn't go last year ? Hmm it's ok you beat our boys but in the big picture on Each grade level one of us is tops and one of us finds loop holes. Proof is that this will probably be the last tournament Legacy wins rest of summer. Heads up Igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 06:19 AM
Funny. Since there are SIX "2021" hold backs on Igloo. So let me get this straight. Since now having held back your son born in 2002 isn't working in your favor you are going to complain it isn't fair? Hmm so it's fair to put your kid who should really be a 2020 graduate against REAL 2021 kids because you held him back so he would have an advantage by playing younger kids? The way I see it, you can hold your kid back 10 Times and change their grade to whatever you like but the fact of the matter is you CAN'T CHANGE THEIR AGE! Cry and whine all you want but YOU parents that hold back your kids to give the illusion they are younger than they are are the REAL cheaters. Igloo has SIX 2002 kids on their team so why don't you all figure the math on that one! Take a look at ALL of the "2021" teams that participated. Then look up IGNORANT in the dictionary. This tournament provided transparency. Birth Certificates were MANDATORY. Every team was AGE appropriate. So stop with the my POOR 13 year old 7th grader was taken advantage of by a bigger 13 year old 8th grader. No one seemed bothered by the big 7th graders on certain teams that were looking to take heads off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 08:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They def did not cheat but there is not one person who watched the game from their living room that thought the game or match up was "fair" because of the laughable difference in size. Yes, legacy was a skilled team but we all know the reason they won was because they were older and bigger not necessarily a better "lacrosse" team. Did you see the last minute when the true 2021 players were given a chance to play how they were the same size as Igloo.



I thought the game was terrible lacrosse. No ball movement, nothing in transition, no real offense played. It looked like my 3rd grades team, where one kid dodges to the goal. Anybody count how many times they could have made one extra pass to a guy open in the corner instead of cranking it from the restrainingline? And igloo, how about running some two man game, or trying to attack/dump at angles? Somebody said they were very well coached????

And that farce of a trophy presentation at the end???? Stein berg makes me want to take a shower he is such a slime ball. Parents, this "tournament" is a sick money grab and a disgrace to youth sports.

The "international" Team Israel is full of kids with Jewish last names that live in Scarsdale, boca raton, Baltimore......is that some kind of a joke????

The quality of lacrosse was terrible, the kids that won showed ZERO emotion, and Steinberg almost forgot to hand them the trophy because he had to name all the sponsors and shove donuts in everybody's mouth.

Ridiculous and the more we buy into this money grab the more culpable we are for polluting the basic joys of youth sports by trying to turn in into some forced, poorly produced spectacle.



100 % true. On all points.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 10:27 AM
How funny is it that when a team wins automatically people overlook facts and go straight to fiction . Age based tournament clearly is just that! For the long islanders you all know through the years team long island played the U brackets having two grades of players on the majority of teams . Never really heard anyone bitching about that , but what's more ironic how quickly the heat gets pulled away from blaze who harbored 3 - 8th grade - rising 9th graders and the focus goes to Zummo . It would have been the same circumstance if it was Blaze who won the championship. None of these team did any wrong doing, just because AA didn't pull any age appropriate 2020 players doesn't make him the angel . He although did have older players through the years but got his act together in recent .
Now more focus starts up about Zummo getting pounced this upcoming weekend against other grade appropriate teams , all to justify ones self esteem. So you now think your team could beat the championship team. Wow you need a life. Let your son have those goals , not the egotistical parent that most of you are. When JR is done with this all , your home life is going to really suck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 11:01 AM
The announcer said it best, they are bigger, faster, and stronger. Igloo has a middie who is 4-8". Taz was obviously older and it looked like boys vs men. Igloo dominates againsed it's own age based kids. I know Taz was within the rules. It's the rules that are the problem. The winning team did have 6 kids from the 2021 team that played in mop up time. This winning team will not play together again as there are no tournaments that will allow it. Meanwhile igloo plays this week at NXT. They will dominate because it is againsed kids their age.
Taz core will now play 2020 tournies. They will do well but if they should play againsed crush, doubt that Taz even keeps it close
You can't take anything away from the Taz kids. Especially the mids and FOGo. Very talented. But they beat younger boys. And they look like men. And to the poster who said the final was not a good example of quality lax, depends on your point of view. Taz defense was phenomenal. Igloo kids couldn't even move ball as the D was on their hands constantly. I was less impressed w Taz offense. They could have moved the ball but the one on one battles were all they had. Not impressed w them offensively.
Hats off to Zumo. Your Taz teams, 2024 and 2020 are very good. Too bad the rest of your program isn't.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:11 PM
When Legacy played grade based at LI Laxfest they lost to Igloo 2020 and tied 88+1 Maryland team. So looks like the only way they can really dominate is play the younger boys. Shame and really discredits the sport over all. What could have/should have been a great competitive game became a farce. Hopefully Warrior changes the rules for next year or this World Championship will lose its appeal quickly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:12 PM
No where on the WSYL website does it mention 2021, 13, or 7th grade. The rules are to be born after 5/1//02.

If you have paid attention to your own son and his friends, I'm sure you've noticed difference in size at this age group. My own son was 5'7 at 13. He has friends who are older than him that were a full head shorter than him. Welcome to puberty. Some of these smaller boys will be small until 10th, 11th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:18 PM
Heads up igloo!! Proud of you boys low budget Taz but probably why they are ***** on this board !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 12:33 PM
Only 1 game was televised. There were 24 teams from around the "world" that played a minimum of 6-7 games and all were mixed with 02 and 03 birth dates. All with a mix of size. The Mad Dog team from California had 2 middies that were over 6 feet tall and 165 pounds. That's the same size as my husband.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:13 PM
Your criticism is not just. The Champs did not need to move the ball. They were winning the one on ones and Igloo's defense did not slide so they kept doing it and Igloo never stopped them. There was no reason to change it up. Also Igloo dominates the 2021 year because they are an older 2021 team. Look at the roster. Almost all kids born early 2003 and many born in January, February 2003 and in 2002. In fact the same age advantage the Champs had yesterday Igloo holds over most of the other 2021 teams. Igloo's defense is actually very old. Mostly 2002s and a January and a February 2003. This older 2021 defense got beat by kids of similar age kids and did not slide. As for the time the champs put in the true 2021s to play Igloo in a mop up role did you notice that the Champs won that battle as well? The Champs 2021s scored against Igloo and Igloo could not take the be ball away because they stayed back. So Igloo also lost to the 2021s 1-0. Bottom line Igloo wins in 2021 because they are older. The fact that they could not do anything on offense or defense against kids similar age or maybe a little older only shows that these kids have not developed over the years and have been relying on the age, size and strength advantage they have over 2021 kids. The fact that they did nothing yesterday against kids of the same age or a little older should be more alarming to parents and coaches rather than who won or lost. But wining seems to be all that matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The announcer said it best, they are bigger, faster, and stronger. Igloo has a middie who is 4-8". Taz was obviously older and it looked like boys vs men. Igloo dominates againsed it's own age based kids. I know Taz was within the rules. It's the rules that are the problem. The winning team did have 6 kids from the 2021 team that played in mop up time. This winning team will not play together again as there are no tournaments that will allow it. Meanwhile igloo plays this week at NXT. They will dominate because it is againsed kids their age.
Taz core will now play 2020 tournies. They will do well but if they should play againsed crush, doubt that Taz even keeps it close
You can't take anything away from the Taz kids. Especially the mids and FOGo. Very talented. But they beat younger boys. And they look like men. And to the poster who said the final was not a good example of quality lax, depends on your point of view. Taz defense was phenomenal. Igloo kids couldn't even move ball as the D was on their hands constantly. I was less impressed w Taz offense. They could have moved the ball but the one on one battles were all they had. Not impressed w them offensively.
Hats off to Zumo. Your Taz teams, 2024 and 2020 are very good. Too bad the rest of your program isn't.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only 1 game was televised. There were 24 teams from around the "world" that played a minimum of 6-7 games and all were mixed with 02 and 03 birth dates. All with a mix of size. The Mad Dog team from California had 2 middies that were over 6 feet tall and 165 pounds. That's the same size as my husband.


Your husband needs to eat a sandwich once in a while - or hit the gym.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When Legacy played grade based at LI Laxfest they lost to Igloo 2020 and tied 88+1 Maryland team. So looks like the only way they can really dominate is play the younger boys. Shame and really discredits the sport over all. What could have/should have been a great competitive game became a farce. Hopefully Warrior changes the rules for next year or this World Championship will lose its appeal quickly.


While Igloo dominates age
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
f/io kid who looks like a star will be shut down next week vs. crush and looneys. Smoke and mirrors when you are an 8th grader vs. 7th!


Uhh, isn't he a Fall 2003 b-day?


Yes, he is '03 birth date and played incredibly all weekend.

Fall '03 birthday and he plays on a 2020 team, Hmm?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 01:48 PM
So did BS from 91 collect poaching info on some new recruites this year before the summer travel season is over to try to re- evaluate and form a new team before tryouts ? How many igloo kids got approached this past weekend ? I would bet that Igloo's little goalie would be sought after . He def was the most standout on igloo in that championship game. I believe that kid played on express team a few years back and kept a B team afloat in an A bracket, 91 may want to grab that goalie to help them out... That says a lot about that kids capabilities. Let's see the rotisserie of players making grass is greener on the other side decisions once again.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your criticism is not just. The Champs did not need to move the ball. They were winning the one on ones and Igloo's defense did not slide so they kept doing it and Igloo never stopped them. There was no reason to change it up. Also Igloo dominates the 2021 year because they are an older 2021 team. Look at the roster. Almost all kids born early 2003 and many born in January, February 2003 and in 2002. In fact the same age advantage the Champs had yesterday Igloo holds over most of the other 2021 teams. Igloo's defense is actually very old. Mostly 2002s and a January and a February 2003. This older 2021 defense got beat by kids of similar age kids and did not slide. As for the time the champs put in the true 2021s to play Igloo in a mop up role did you notice that the Champs won that battle as well? The Champs 2021s scored against Igloo and Igloo could not take the be ball away because they stayed back. So Igloo also lost to the 2021s 1-0. Bottom line Igloo wins in 2021 because they are older. The fact that they could not do anything on offense or defense against kids similar age or maybe a little older only shows that these kids have not developed over the years and have been relying on the age, size and strength advantage they have over 2021 kids. The fact that they did nothing yesterday against kids of the same age or a little older should be more alarming to parents and coaches rather than who won or lost. But wining seems to be all that matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The announcer said it best, they are bigger, faster, and stronger. Igloo has a middie who is 4-8". Taz was obviously older and it looked like boys vs men. Igloo dominates againsed it's own age based kids. I know Taz was within the rules. It's the rules that are the problem. The winning team did have 6 kids from the 2021 team that played in mop up time. This winning team will not play together again as there are no tournaments that will allow it. Meanwhile igloo plays this week at NXT. They will dominate because it is againsed kids their age.
Taz core will now play 2020 tournies. They will do well but if they should play againsed crush, doubt that Taz even keeps it close
You can't take anything away from the Taz kids. Especially the mids and FOGo. Very talented. But they beat younger boys. And they look like men. And to the poster who said the final was not a good example of quality lax, depends on your point of view. Taz defense was phenomenal. Igloo kids couldn't even move ball as the D was on their hands constantly. I was less impressed w Taz offense. They could have moved the ball but the one on one battles were all they had. Not impressed w them offensively.
Hats off to Zumo. Your Taz teams, 2024 and 2020 are very good. Too bad the rest of your program isn't.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 02:14 PM
How many kids from champ team are on 2020 team? One dad at the tournament said 14
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 02:21 PM
this is all ridiculous and 95+% of all players parents are complete losers...no wonder why I don't speak to any of them...my son plays for the 88+3 program and my hats go off to leg. Someone had to win; so pls let the boys who won, enjoy their moment. Yes majority of the team are taz kids, however they totally played within the rules. At this age (12-15yrs old), the difference of being 3-6 months older does matter and it turned out that leg did have a bit more kids that fit this description. It is all relative and this will always be the case with younger/older players no matter what the cut-off date is. To compare them to other teams is complete nonsense...yes igloo does have a bunch of 2002 birthdays on their roster too, am sure mad dog and others too...the comments about the leg players and how they play against 2020 grade teams doesn't make sense...pls parents get a life...ever think for one second that the teams like crush, loonies, crabs, etc are all older and have 2001 or pre 5/1/2002 birthdays? this makes the 2020 taz team on the younger side vs their 2020 competition...the birth certificates don't lie....88+3 etc would have done the same thing if they could have but it turns out that they only had 3 eligible crushers (excl JS son)...think about that...of the 20+ crushers on that team only 4 were born after 5/1/02 which means the rest are born within 4 months of a true calender/school grade year, but more so, most are born in 2001...if they had 15 kids who were eligible, they would have picked all 15 with no hesitation. Will see how next year plays out...as of now, it looks like igloo and blaze and other top 2021 teams have 5-6 players that can play again...congrats to the winners this year again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 02:54 PM
Fall 03 and plays on a 2020 means the kid is playing up a grade. Good for him!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 03:52 PM
First, congrats to both teams for making it to the finals. From all I read, the WSYL made the weekend a great experience.

Second, I do think the championship clearly showed that at this age a few months really do matter. My 2021 team's average birthday is around 2/1/03. That's not very young, but they do look tiny compared to teams with 3-7 kids born before 9/1/02. It will all even out, but now is when it seems to matter most (of course, right when it starts to even out, the reclassing will begin, but that's another story.)

Third, why was there so little pushing the ball in transition? Especially when Igloo was behind. Not a criticism, just curious. May be as simple as other team was winning faceoffs and wanted to protect a lead by slowing things down. Still, not as fun as watching Crush attack in transition.

Fourth, I did not understand why both teams extended out so much on off-ball defense. I know both teams are very well coached and have incredible lax IQ's, but it often seemed like there were no #1 and #2 slides because defenders weren't sagging in off ball. Looked like a college-style defense, but without the ND or Denver crease slide sagged in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 04:31 PM
I keep reading that Legacy played within the rules written. Well. Yes they did. Just like the Maryland Holdbacks you people cry and sniffle about every year. So what is it then? Ok to play within the rules written or just when you Long Island parents want to enforce the written rules. Same thing. No different.

Laughing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 04:35 PM
LOL. LI dads can shut up now. LI teams are using overage, holdbacks kids to win tournaments.

Bringing 8th graders to a 7th grade tournament? Pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First, congrats to both teams for making it to the finals. From all I read, the WSYL made the weekend a great experience.

Second, I do think the championship clearly showed that at this age a few months really do matter. My 2021 team's average birthday is around 2/1/03. That's not very young, but they do look tiny compared to teams with 3-7 kids born before 9/1/02. It will all even out, but now is when it seems to matter most (of course, right when it starts to even out, the reclassing will begin, but that's another story.)

Third, why was there so little pushing the ball in transition? Especially when Igloo was behind. Not a criticism, just curious. May be as simple as other team was winning faceoffs and wanted to protect a lead by slowing things down. Still, not as fun as watching Crush attack in transition.

Fourth, I did not understand why both teams extended out so much on off-ball defense. I know both teams are very well coached and have incredible lax IQ's, but it often seemed like there were no #1 and #2 slides because defenders weren't sagging in off ball. Looked like a college-style defense, but without the ND or Denver crease slide sagged in.


An good 8th grade fogo might look like a superstar playing 7th graders. Not even close when going against the better group of 8th graders, lucky to go 50/50. See how a grade can make a huge difference!? And Blaze has one of the better 7th graders. Lots of truth about how great some kids seemed to play will be seen in the coming weeks when they play on grade!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 04:51 PM
Don't try to over analyze everything. Great experience for all the boys. It was their 8th game in 3 days. Games were 1 hour long in 90 degree weather. Let's not forget they are 13 yrs old. Tough to keep pushing the ball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 05:09 PM
icon only lost to legacy taz by 3 it is obvious they should have been competing in the lacrosse world series
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 05:13 PM
icon only lost to legacy taz by 3 it is obvious that they should have competed in the wsyl
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 05:40 PM
So, predictions for finals in next weeks on-grade NXT cup?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL. LI dads can shut up now. LI teams are using overage, holdbacks kids to win tournaments.

Bringing 8th graders to a 7th grade tournament? Pathetic.


Why are all you thick skulls having so much trouble understanding the format of this tournament? It was age-based, not grade-based - something different than you are used to. Nobody cheated, get over it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 05:44 PM
"Don't try to over analyze everything. Great experience for all the boys. It was their 8th game in 3 days. Games were 1 hour long in 90 degree weather. Let's not forget they are 13 yrs old. Tough to keep pushing the ball."

And let's not forget the winning Long Island, NY team was made up of 1/2 8th graders in a 7th grade tournament. Winners are like the Crabs.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Don't try to over analyze everything. Great experience for all the boys. It was their 8th game in 3 days. Games were 1 hour long in 90 degree weather. Let's not forget they are 13 yrs old. Tough to keep pushing the ball."

And let's not forget the winning Long Island, NY team was made up of 1/2 8th graders in a 7th grade tournament. Winners are like the Crabs.



You guys are hysterical, it was not a "7th grade" tournament. It was age based. If you didn't want to play by those rules then your team should have stayed at home.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 05:59 PM
Actually had over 15 kids that were 2020. 7th graders never played
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Don't try to over analyze everything. Great experience for all the boys. It was their 8th game in 3 days. Games were 1 hour long in 90 degree weather. Let's not forget they are 13 yrs old. Tough to keep pushing the ball."

And let's not forget the winning Long Island, NY team was made up of 1/2 8th graders in a 7th grade tournament. Winners are like the Crabs.



It was exclusively an age-based tournament. Grades are irrelevant. The DOBs of every player are listed on the tournament's website. You will see that the non-NY teams were just as "old". The only reason these kids are 7th graders is because they are either holdbacks and/or from states where the age cut off is different, rendering the kids older.
Posted By: meco24 Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 06:03 PM


1) All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 06:25 PM
there are NFL players who go to Denver and pass out after a half. I give these kids a lot of credit, especially the low landers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 06:35 PM
Legacy "Select" team will not play in another game or tournament ever again.
They were a one time apperance so when Taz gets beat in 2020 play this summer it won't affect their World Championship status. Next year the Greyhounds will be the "Select" team with 2 or 3 token 2022s.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legacy "Select" team will not play in another game or tournament ever again.
They were a one time apperance so when Taz gets beat in 2020 play this summer it won't affect their World Championship status. Next year the Greyhounds will be the "Select" team with 2 or 3 token 2022s.


Honestly they is what all the teams are going to do based on this cut off date. I bet you that the clubs will have tryouts for a WSL team going forward. Another way to make $$$$$$$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by meco24


1) All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 07:11 PM
A 7th grader scored the last goal. Zumo let them play the last 1:30.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 07:27 PM
Why is this stupid tournament held in Denver? Why not have it on the East Coast, where the vast majority of top tier teams are from? Then you would get a much better tournament.

As last year, there were 2-3 good teams and the rest were terrible.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 07:30 PM
NXT Cup 2021 will be Igloo vs 91 Blaze in finals...Igloo wins in a good game to watch
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 07:37 PM
The WSYL website shows the highest point makers for Igloo all weekend have fall '02 birthdays. That is a holdback on Long Island - they should be 2020's (8th) and they are playing down in 2021.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 07:46 PM
"You guys are hysterical, it was not a "7th grade" tournament. It was age based. If you didn't want to play by those rules then your team should have stayed at home."

Same goes for you Long Island crybabies. Atlantic Coast tournaments are grade based. If you don't want to play by the stated rules then your team should stay at home. See. It works both ways. But do we ever have to listen to the crying. So now that it fits your narrative it is all perfectly fine. Just this one time right.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 07:46 PM
8th grade team facing a 7th grade team on TV. Fun times.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 08:58 PM
Igloo dominates their 2021. Taz can't make the semi finals in either tournament they've played this year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First, congrats to both teams for making it to the finals. From all I read, the WSYL made the weekend a great experience.

Second, I do think the championship clearly showed that at this age a few months really do matter. My 2021 team's average birthday is around 2/1/03. That's not very young, but they do look tiny compared to teams with 3-7 kids born before 9/1/02. It will all even out, but now is when it seems to matter most (of course, right when it starts to even out, the reclassing will begin, but that's another story.)

Third, why was there so little pushing the ball in transition? Especially when Igloo was behind. Not a criticism, just curious. May be as simple as other team was winning faceoffs and wanted to protect a lead by slowing things down. Still, not as fun as watching Crush attack in transition.

Fourth, I did not understand why both teams extended out so much on off-ball defense. I know both teams are very well coached and have incredible lax IQ's, but it often seemed like there were no #1 and #2 slides because defenders weren't sagging in off ball. Looked like a college-style defense, but without the ND or Denver crease slide sagged in.


An good 8th grade fogo might look like a superstar playing 7th graders. Not even close when going against the better group of 8th graders, lucky to go 50/50. See how a grade can make a huge difference!? And Blaze has one of the better 7th graders. Lots of truth about how great some kids seemed to play will be seen in the coming weeks when they play on grade!


91 went straight to a long pole for FOs against TAZ. Did not work.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 11:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
f/io kid who looks like a star will be shut down next week vs. crush and looneys. Smoke and mirrors when you are an 8th grader vs. 7th!


Uhh, isn't he a Fall 2003 b-day?


Yes, he is '03 birth date and played incredibly all weekend.

Fall '03 birthday and he plays on a 2020 team, Hmm?


The Taz FO is not 12 years old. Obviously a mistake on the WSYL roster. There were some mistakes on our roster also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 11:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First, congrats to both teams for making it to the finals. From all I read, the WSYL made the weekend a great experience.

Second, I do think the championship clearly showed that at this age a few months really do matter. My 2021 team's average birthday is around 2/1/03. That's not very young, but they do look tiny compared to teams with 3-7 kids born before 9/1/02. It will all even out, but now is when it seems to matter most (of course, right when it starts to even out, the reclassing will begin, but that's another story.)

Third, why was there so little pushing the ball in transition? Especially when Igloo was behind. Not a criticism, just curious. May be as simple as other team was winning faceoffs and wanted to protect a lead by slowing things down. Still, not as fun as watching Crush attack in transition.

Fourth, I did not understand why both teams extended out so much on off-ball defense. I know both teams are very well coached and have incredible lax IQ's, but it often seemed like there were no #1 and #2 slides because defenders weren't sagging in off ball. Looked like a college-style defense, but without the ND or Denver crease slide sagged in.


An good 8th grade fogo might look like a superstar playing 7th graders. Not even close when going against the better group of 8th graders, lucky to go 50/50. See how a grade can make a huge difference!? And Blaze has one of the better 7th graders. Lots of truth about how great some kids seemed to play will be seen in the coming weeks when they play on grade!


91 went straight to a long pole for FOs against TAZ. Did not work.


Again,you have an 8th grader vs 7th! I could name at least 10 8th grade kids who would have looked the same vs 7th! Not as special as you think!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/05/16 11:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo 2021 was the top team for years. It's a shame that other team in finals has 2002 birth dates. Par for the course in this sport.


I'm sorry but doesn't igloo have kids with 2002 birthdates? Stop whining you're just not used to losing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 02:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo 2021 was the top team for years. It's a shame that other team in finals has 2002 birth dates. Par for the course in this sport.


I'm sorry but doesn't igloo have kids with 2002 birthdates? Stop whining you're just not used to losing

Lol, Igloo 2021has been playing with kids with '02 birthdays for years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 03:36 AM
I understand an older kid on Legacy played under his younger brother's name. Any truth to that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 03:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I understand an older kid on Legacy played under his younger brother's name. Any truth to that?


Not possible SWR is too small. Btw,SWR had a lot of kids playing in the WSYL. More then 10.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 11:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT Cup 2021 will be Igloo vs 91 Blaze in finals...Igloo wins in a good game to watch


No it won't. Igloo will dominate them and keep the blaze parents wondering why they will never beat them. NO chemistry or teamwork!
Lets see how many penalties, out of frustration, the Blaze team collects as they implode.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 12:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I understand an older kid on Legacy played under his younger brother's name. Any truth to that?


Lol no truth to that at all. Amazing the bs people come up with.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
this is all ridiculous and 95+% of all players parents are complete losers...no wonder why I don't speak to any of them...my son plays for the 88+3 program and my hats go off to leg. Someone had to win; so pls let the boys who won, enjoy their moment. Yes majority of the team are taz kids, however they totally played within the rules. At this age (12-15yrs old), the difference of being 3-6 months older does matter and it turned out that leg did have a bit more kids that fit this description. It is all relative and this will always be the case with younger/older players no matter what the cut-off date is. To compare them to other teams is complete nonsense...yes igloo does have a bunch of 2002 birthdays on their roster too, am sure mad dog and others too...the comments about the leg players and how they play against 2020 grade teams doesn't make sense...pls parents get a life...ever think for one second that the teams like crush, loonies, crabs, etc are all older and have 2001 or pre 5/1/2002 birthdays? this makes the 2020 taz team on the younger side vs their 2020 competition...the birth certificates don't lie....88+3 etc would have done the same thing if they could have but it turns out that they only had 3 eligible crushers (excl JS son)...think about that...of the 20+ crushers on that team only 4 were born after 5/1/02 which means the rest are born within 4 months of a true calender/school grade year, but more so, most are born in 2001...if they had 15 kids who were eligible, they would have picked all 15 with no hesitation. Will see how next year plays out...as of now, it looks like igloo and blaze and other top 2021 teams have 5-6 players that can play again...congrats to the winners this year again.


Well said.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 01:55 PM
^^^^^ Total nonsense.^^^^^

Legacy = Crabs both play within the written rules but it's ok for Legacy and not ok for Crabs. Please explain.

Oh. That's right. Leg. is from Long Island so it's "within the rules written" but Crabs are from MD so it's not ok to play "within the rules written".

Look up the word integrity because both examples are equally wrong. Not a one way street.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 02:15 PM
NY is the only state that doesn't have 2021 teams that am mainly 2002 birthdates. On my son's 2020 PA team there are only 3 kids that would have been eligible to playing the WSYL. In PA, the VAST MAJORITY of boys that are born in June (or later) are "held back" which means they don't start Kindergarten when they have just turned 5 they wait and start right after they have turned 6. And since the PA school cutoff is 9/1 summer of 2002 birthdays here are mostly 2021 players. So I don't know why everyone is in an uproar abou the Legacy team, it doesn't matter if they are 2020 kids or 2021 kids they are all the same age. And as far as 2020 teams go, Legacy (if it is true that they are a 1020 team) is a VWRY young 2020 team (nation wide)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
^^^^^ Total nonsense.^^^^^

Legacy = Crabs both play within the written rules but it's ok for Legacy and not ok for Crabs. Please explain.

Oh. That's right. Leg. is from Long Island so it's "within the rules written" but Crabs are from MD so it's not ok to play "within the rules written".

Look up the word integrity because both examples are equally wrong. Not a one way street.


You say "please explain". I already did in the 7th grade forum. I will cut and paste below:

This is a completely illogical argument. The only reason MD teams went to the tournament with "on age" 7th graders is because all (or nearly all) of their 8th graders are too old. Their "on age" 7th graders are the same age as the younger half of 8th graders in NY. DOBs for all players are on the website for all to see. I selected one MD team at random and noted that more than 2/3rds of their roster would be 8th graders in NY. They are almost certainly all 7th graders in MD. This is why the "8th graders beating up on 7th graders" argument is lame and false. Due to differences in school cut off dates, and the prevalence in MD for holdbacks, MD kids are older than suburban NY kids grade v. grade.

What Leg did was take younger 8th graders, mixed with 7th graders, and won an age-based tournament. So what? This mix of kids is the exact same age, on average, as a MD 7th grade team.

Age is a fixed variable that can not be changed. And it has a very high correlation to quality of player (the older a kid gets, the better he plays). Grade, on the other hand, is an artificial, man-made variable that can be changed on a whim. Most importantly, it has ABSOLUTELY NO correlation to a kid's performance on the lacrosse field. I can take my rising 6th grader and enroll him in 7th grade next year. This will not make him any better at lacrosse.

Thus, when Crabs or other non-NY teams take older kids and put an artificial "7th grade" label on them, and then compete against younger NY kids who have the same artificial "7th grade" label, the former has an unfair systemic advantage over the later. But when NY "8th graders" play against non-NY "7th graders" WHO ARE THE SAME AGE, than no such advantage exists. In short, crying about 8th graders playing against 7th graders is only worthwhile if the 8th graders are actually older. But if they are the same age, than it does not matter what grade they are in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 04:10 PM
Crabs do not play by the rules. Crabs game the system...that is how they roll. Their 2020 team has 16 year kids in the lineup.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo dominates their 2021. Taz can't make the semi finals in either tournament they've played this year


Igloo's best middie is an '02 birthday aka holdback...younger my a$$ lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo dominates their 2021. Taz can't make the semi finals in either tournament they've played this year


Igloo's best middie is an '02 birthday aka holdback...younger my a$$ lol


Igloo did a great job overcoming a loss and making the final. They are a good team and played well.

Taz was not at the WSYL, but many of the Taz players were. Taz will struggle in elite 2020 events because they are so young. Moreover, they do not move the ball well at the midfield. Saw the same thing at laxfest. Talented one on one players, but need to learn to move the ball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 05:36 PM
Crabs do not play by the rules. Crabs game the system...that is how they roll. Their 2020 team has 16 year kids in the lineup.

AGREED and I am MD parent!!!! That being said they do play within the written rules like Crabs Long Island did July 4th. The diffreance is it's ok now cause it's Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 07:12 PM
So what you are saying is you can't wait to see how a TRUE 2020 kid stacks up against looneys and 91 fogo HOLDBACKS? Wait aren't you contradicting yourself? Those kids are supposed to be rising 10th graders and you want them to go against a TRUE rising 9th grader. You sound like a fool. Get your fact straight before you choke on your own ignorant words. Those fogos from Looneys and Crush are A FULL YEAR OLDER than the Fogo on TAZ! Sooo what is your point?? Are you trying to say He went against kids his own age and WON? Unless that's your point you have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the proof!! He went against kids more than a whole head taller, that weighed more, and we're the same age if not OLDER, and he beat them. Too bad you weren't there to see it because if you were you wouldn't be spewing nonsense!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 07:20 PM
If you find some sort of equivalency between a team playing in an AGE based tourney with ALL of age kids and a team playing in an 2020 tourney with 15-16 year olds who look absolutely comical against legit 8th graders your either an idiot, crab parent, or just a s*hit stirrer. Either way, keep it up because its hilarious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what you are saying is you can't wait to see how a TRUE 2020 kid stacks up against looneys and 91 fogo HOLDBACKS? Wait aren't you contradicting yourself? Those kids are supposed to be rising 10th graders and you want them to go against a TRUE rising 9th grader. You sound like a fool. Get your fact straight before you choke on your own ignorant words. Those fogos from Looneys and Crush are A FULL YEAR OLDER than the Fogo on TAZ! Sooo what is your point?? Are you trying to say He went against kids his own age and WON? Unless that's your point you have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the proof!! He went against kids more than a whole head taller, that weighed more, and we're the same age if not OLDER, and he beat them. Too bad you weren't there to see it because if you were you wouldn't be spewing nonsense!




TAZ fogo was dominant, but he was not born in Oct 03 as it said on the roster. Some of the fogos he faced were his age and some were almost a year younger. Those are the facts. How he does against the better 2020 fogos this season remains to be seen, but I think he will hold his own. He is one of the top 3 2020s on LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 09:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL website shows the highest point makers for Igloo all weekend have fall '02 birthdays. That is a holdback on Long Island - they should be 2020's (8th) and they are playing down in 2021.



The crying in here from the igloo parents is hysterical. Like a early post you can't change age which is why an age based tournament is more transparent. To sit here and continue to say 8th graders bet up 7th graders, don't your kids play JV? So your 7th grader played 10th graders and you pounded your chest. SMH at the craziness on here. You lost get over it and it wasn't a pretty loss either.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 10:42 PM
Such losers. It is age based. Why is igloo crying like little girls? Pathetic igloo....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL website shows the highest point makers for Igloo all weekend have fall '02 birthdays. That is a holdback on Long Island - they should be 2020's (8th) and they are playing down in 2021.



The crying in here from the igloo parents is hysterical. Like a early post you can't change age which is why an age based tournament is more transparent. To sit here and continue to say 8th graders bet up 7th graders, don't your kids play JV? So your 7th grader played 10th graders and you pounded your chest. SMH at the craziness on here. You lost get over it and it wasn't a pretty loss either.


Let's see who's crying next week! Bet it won't be Igloo parents. Enjoy your "win", probably won'y see one of those again!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what you are saying is you can't wait to see how a TRUE 2020 kid stacks up against looneys and 91 fogo HOLDBACKS? Wait aren't you contradicting yourself? Those kids are supposed to be rising 10th graders and you want them to go against a TRUE rising 9th grader. You sound like a fool. Get your fact straight before you choke on your own ignorant words. Those fogos from Looneys and Crush are A FULL YEAR OLDER than the Fogo on TAZ! Sooo what is your point?? Are you trying to say He went against kids his own age and WON? Unless that's your point you have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the proof!! He went against kids more than a whole head taller, that weighed more, and we're the same age if not OLDER, and he beat them. Too bad you weren't there to see it because if you were you wouldn't be spewing nonsense!




TAZ fogo was dominant, but he was not born in Oct 03 as it said on the roster. Some of the fogos he faced were his age and some were almost a year younger. Those are the facts. How he does against the better 2020 fogos this season remains to be seen, but I think he will hold his own. He is one of the top 3 2020s on LI.


Has already been seen, and it ain't nothing to write home about! If you are interested, it will be seen again next week!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 10:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what you are saying is you can't wait to see how a TRUE 2020 kid stacks up against looneys and 91 fogo HOLDBACKS? Wait aren't you contradicting yourself? Those kids are supposed to be rising 10th graders and you want them to go against a TRUE rising 9th grader. You sound like a fool. Get your fact straight before you choke on your own ignorant words. Those fogos from Looneys and Crush are A FULL YEAR OLDER than the Fogo on TAZ! Sooo what is your point?? Are you trying to say He went against kids his own age and WON? Unless that's your point you have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the proof!! He went against kids more than a whole head taller, that weighed more, and we're the same age if not OLDER, and he beat them. Too bad you weren't there to see it because if you were you wouldn't be spewing nonsense!




TAZ fogo was dominant, but he was not born in Oct 03 as it said on the roster. Some of the fogos he faced were his age and some were almost a year younger. Those are the facts. How he does against the better 2020 fogos this season remains to be seen, but I think he will hold his own. He is one of the top 3 2020s on LI.


Ran home crying from blue chip!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/06/16 11:33 PM
Website had FO kid oct 2003,birthday, is it right or wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 12:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Website had FO kid oct 2003,birthday, is it right or wrong.


Wrong. Just like some other birthdays and stats on that website.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 12:35 AM
FO B-Day is Sept 2001 maybe sibling is 2003
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 02:48 AM
Kid is a 2020 absolutely not an 03
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 02:54 AM
LI is using holdbacks now. Pot meet kettle.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is using holdbacks now. Pot meet kettle.


Maybe make the semi's before your start yapping MD nation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is using holdbacks now. Pot meet kettle.
That would be a scary day for many out of state teams if LI started reclassing kids. I do not think anyone needs to worry, we all saw what happened to a certain team full of holdbacks, clearly it is not a recipe for success. True talent and hard work will always prevail.

As for this tournament, no holdbacks in the whole entire tournament- as solid comprehension will lead you to understand, that you cannot be a holdback (left back in grade for athletic purposes or a late starting kindergartener) in an age based event as grade is irrelevant. Period. Age events in youth lacrosse should be the golden rule. Why is it athletes in other sports do not need their friends in their grade with them, but lax player mommies and daddies say that their kids should be able to play with their friends and therefore need to play with their grade????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 12:18 PM
Hmm sounds like somebody's jealous!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 12:25 PM
igloo, why the crying? This tourney had an age cutoff that all teams entering had to comply with.
AA elected to run his standard team with some additions from his other 2021 team instead of searching for some older boys who could meet the cutoff birth date.
So why hate? T Z played within the rules and in typical igloo fashion, all you parents whine and cry, lol.

I am sure you will come back on here and have 20 posts following how you are the best 2021 and yes, you are. However, you were not the best at the World Series within the rules.

Good game and just leave it at that.

I look forward to the loud big guy to chime in. Cant miss him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 12:26 PM
Rather not make the semi's with a legit team rather than use holdbacks.

Stay classy Holdback Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 12:53 PM
Just so you know there is no way this crying as you are saying is someone from Igloo. The parents for both groups stayed at the same hotel, and were supportive of each other the entire time. Both teams took quality players and both teams made it to the final. This in itself was not a easy task. There were some serious teams in this event. With 8 very long games over three days this tourney was intensive. But the fact is most teams who put together teams specifically for this event did better then teams that did not. This is because of the age differences. Now you can look at one or two kids from every team that participated and say that kid is a little older, but the fact is that legacy had more kids that just met the cutoff then any other program. That is a fact. It's not crying, it's completely within the rules. But it is still a fact. Next year I think you will find ever club doing this, and then you will see a much bigger average of player on all teams. That will truly even the playing field. As it should be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rather not make the semi's with a legit team rather than use holdbacks.

Stay classy Holdback Island.


Hey not so bright person. No such thing as a holdback in AGE based tournament silly man. Sorry you are used to your holdback dominating younger kids under a different grad year. Boohoo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 12:58 PM
This tournament has shown how far Maryland is from not only Long Island but other states as well. Top Maryland teams did not join simply because they were too old. Same could be said about the Boston area teams. The ones that did join had disapointing results. When there is an equal playing field all the Long Island teams came out on top. Great showing by all three teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is using holdbacks now. Pot meet kettle.


Maybe make the semi's before your start yapping MD nation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 01:09 PM
What you didn't see on TV. When Mad Dog West walked by Igloo during the opening ceremony - the coaches and the entire team turned around and gave them high 5s as they walked by - and every team after that. The Igloo Parents in the stands stood up and cheered for Mad Dog west as they walked by.

Igloo and Mad Dog had 2 very competitive games against each other.

Before the game started - The igloo players spotted Team Isreal in the stands and acknowledged them. Team Israel boys went nuts cheering for igloo.

Trust me - it was about the experience. Not the gold or silver medal.

Igloo should be proud.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 01:20 PM
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just so you know there is no way this crying as you are saying is someone from Igloo. The parents for both groups stayed at the same hotel, and were supportive of each other the entire time. Both teams took quality players and both teams made it to the final. This in itself was not a easy task. There were some serious teams in this event. With 8 very long games over three days this tourney was intensive. But the fact is most teams who put together teams specifically for this event did better then teams that did not. This is because of the age differences. Now you can look at one or two kids from every team that participated and say that kid is a little older, but the fact is that legacy had more kids that just met the cutoff then any other program. That is a fact. It's not crying, it's completely within the rules. But it is still a fact. Next year I think you will find ever club doing this, and then you will see a much bigger average of player on all teams. That will truly even the playing field. As it should be.


It is sportsmanship at its worst. Not blaming teams (okay maybe I am) but for shame for the tourney for doing it this way. Didn't they changed the rules late in the game. Set the rules now or within 4 weeks of last championship match and let everyone know what they are trying out for.

growing up there were true all star teams, LI time to see beyond the cash and make some of these teams just that. Parents you hold the cards.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What you didn't see on TV. When Mad Dog West walked by Igloo during the opening ceremony - the coaches and the entire team turned around and gave them high 5s as they walked by - and every team after that. The Igloo Parents in the stands stood up and cheered for Mad Dog west as they walked by.

Igloo and Mad Dog had 2 very competitive games against each other.

Before the game started - The igloo players spotted Team Isreal in the stands and acknowledged them. Team Israel boys went nuts cheering for igloo.

Trust me - it was about the experience. Not the gold or silver medal.

Igloo should be proud.


Heard team Israel was from Florida. Did they do that to make people think this was an actual world competition?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 02:38 PM
Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.


Lived on LI my whole life and have never seen a carport?? Now holdbacks.......those are those older kids from MD???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 04:08 PM
Team Iraq next year. Hillary will let anyone in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


Heard they had 8 kids from Israel on the team. They are trying to grow the sport of lacrosse in Israel. You should also see what team Israel does outside of lacrosse that is also great. It's hope that one day lacrosse becomes their national sport in Israel.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Iraq next year. Hillary will let anyone in.



That's funny!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


Heard they had 8 kids from Israel on the team. They are trying to grow the sport of lacrosse in Israel. You should also see what team Israel does outside of lacrosse that is also great. It's hope that one day lacrosse becomes their national sport in Israel.


As per their roster, all players seemed to have American hometowns except for two, which simply had none listed. Highly unlikely 8 of them were from Isreal. Instead it was a team of jewish american kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 05:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 05:08 PM
Lived on LI my whole life and have never seen a carport?? Now holdbacks.......those are those older kids from MD???


What???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
This is one of those comments made out of total ignorance. Generally speaking, holding back for athletic reasons can only happen at private schools and not public, and the last time I checked there were maybe 2 or 3 prep schools playing lax on all of LI. I could name 4 just in a 10 mile radius outside of Baltimore. And actually holdbacks are more prevalent in Ct. and Westchester County than LI. So as much as I hate to say it Long Island teams probably have the fewest amount of repeat kids than most lacrosse regions.
When going to age based tournaments there are always going to be teams like Legacy bringing as many kids as possible who are close to the age cut-off. It is what it is. Baseball's Little League World Series (12U) ,( which I think WSYL is trying to emulate, but I wish somehow it could also be town based) is also prone to certain teams always playing the age cut-off game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL website shows the highest point makers for Igloo all weekend have fall '02 birthdays. That is a holdback on Long Island - they should be 2020's (8th) and they are playing down in 2021.



The crying in here from the igloo parents is hysterical. Like a early post you can't change age which is why an age based tournament is more transparent. To sit here and continue to say 8th graders bet up 7th graders, don't your kids play JV? So your 7th grader played 10th graders and you pounded your chest. SMH at the craziness on here. You lost get over it and it wasn't a pretty loss either.


Let's see who's crying next week! Bet it won't be Igloo parents. Enjoy your "win", probably won'y see one of those again!


Yes you'll enter a grade based tournament with your 6 2002 kids and act like you dont have holdbacks. Then run around that you are the best. Keep bashing TAZ. They entered an AGE based tournament with AGE eligible kids. You enter GRADE based tournaments with holdbacks. Bet you regret the DOB being posted because now we all know the truth
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?


Middie is old and committed to UNC. #25 is an August birthday and played in the WSYL last year. Great kid and most here in MD don't consider August birthdays "holdbacks" Also, not a crabs parent. BTW, the biggest joke is the big attackman. Will be 16 soon if not already.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


Heard they had 8 kids from Israel on the team. They are trying to grow the sport of lacrosse in Israel. You should also see what team Israel does outside of lacrosse that is also great. It's hope that one day lacrosse becomes their national sport in Israel.


As per their roster, all players seemed to have American hometowns except for two, which simply had none listed. Highly unlikely 8 of them were from Isreal. Instead it was a team of jewish american kids.


What happened to the 100 mile radius rule for them??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


What's wrong if a country allows dual citizenship and a player is able to represent, as opposed just a club team based in the US? If it's the 'world series' then countries can go and to be part of it can be a great experience.

Are you telling me if your son/daughter develops to be a great player later on, has dual citizenship with another country, BUT cannot represent the US in world play or maybe Olympics, you would shun the opportunity to participate? Dual citizenship is already going on at the older world level, but we don't hear you complaining about that scenario.

I think a country entering this year a good step forward and I give the team credit for attending as the only represented country, knowing full well the level of competition.

The only downside at this age level is finding the players for the less skilled countries. But it's gotta start somewhere and that's great.

Unfortunately, for whichever club owner who decides to create a mega-uber team called "TEAM USA: a division of 88+3, NLF Affiliate and Conglomerate, Expressly coached by the Biggest Four Leading Edge and Crabby D-I Alumni with the intent to create a Leggicy for Dunkin Donuts"....that owner will either be guaranteed to make a fortune from the parents and dominate the tournament for years, or make the event spontaneously combust.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 06:25 PM
Like Mike Piazza playing for Italy in the Olympics?
Growing the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?


Middie is old and committed to UNC. #25 is an August birthday and played in the WSYL last year. Great kid and most here in MD don't consider August birthdays "holdbacks" Also, not a crabs parent. BTW, the biggest joke is the big attackman. Will be 16 soon if not already.


unc middie recruit apparently not as old as people say. 4/2001 according underarmour roster site. older but not a double holdback if the birthdate is correct
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


What's wrong if a country allows dual citizenship and a player is able to represent, as opposed just a club team based in the US? If it's the 'world series' then countries can go and to be part of it can be a great experience.

Are you telling me if your son/daughter develops to be a great player later on, has dual citizenship with another country, BUT cannot represent the US in world play or maybe Olympics, you would shun the opportunity to participate? Dual citizenship is already going on at the older world level, but we don't hear you complaining about that scenario.

I think a country entering this year a good step forward and I give the team credit for attending as the only represented country, knowing full well the level of competition.

The only downside at this age level is finding the players for the less skilled countries. But it's gotta start somewhere and that's great.

Unfortunately, for whichever club owner who decides to create a mega-uber team called "TEAM USA: a division of 88+3, NLF Affiliate and Conglomerate, Expressly coached by the Biggest Four Leading Edge and Crabby D-I Alumni with the intent to create a Leggicy for Dunkin Donuts"....that owner will either be guaranteed to make a fortune from the parents and dominate the tournament for years, or make the event spontaneously combust.


What a farce! Just silly, and adds to the circus reputation the event is getting to be known as. Nothing at all like the Little League WS, that is a legitimate, respected youth tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 07:59 PM
Juan Epstein is listed from Brooklyn.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Juan Epstein is listed from Brooklyn.


Welcome Back!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?


Middie is old and committed to UNC. #25 is an August birthday and played in the WSYL last year. Great kid and most here in MD don't consider August birthdays "holdbacks" Also, not a crabs parent. BTW, the biggest joke is the big attackman. Will be 16 soon if not already.


August is for sure a Holdback month??? Sept 1 is the cut off in Maryland for school?? It may only be a month but it is holding your child back..The player went from being the youngest in his age group to being the oldest..just by holding him back a year!! Is it fair for him to get this advantage while ALL other non holdback kids dont enjoy it?? Of course not. Age base teams are in the spirit of youth sports. Select kids shouldn't get an advantage in youth sports .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?


Middie is old and committed to UNC. #25 is an August birthday and played in the WSYL last year. Great kid and most here in MD don't consider August birthdays "holdbacks" Also, not a crabs parent. BTW, the biggest joke is the big attackman. Will be 16 soon if not already.


unc middie recruit apparently not as old as people say. 4/2001 according underarmour roster site. older but not a double holdback if the birthdate is correct


What a JOKE..To be allowed to play mainly against younger kids anywhere from ( 5 months Sept 1, 2001 ) to ( 17 months Aug 31 2002 ) ...Yea that seems fair in youth lacrosse??????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 09:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?


Middie is old and committed to UNC. #25 is an August birthday and played in the WSYL last year. Great kid and most here in MD don't consider August birthdays "holdbacks" Also, not a crabs parent. BTW, the biggest joke is the big attackman. Will be 16 soon if not already.


unc middie recruit apparently not as old as people say. 4/2001 according underarmour roster site. older but not a double holdback if the birthdate is correct


What a JOKE..To be allowed to play mainly against younger kids anywhere from ( 5 months Sept 1, 2001 ) to ( 17 months Aug 31 2002 ) ...Yea that seems fair in youth lacrosse??????



Oh, so that's why He dropped from the 2019 to the 2020 team last year. Makes sense now, and naïve me thought he was playing up. NOT!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 09:52 PM
8th grader playing varsity?? Yada, Yada, Yada! Nice try!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 09:55 PM
Who was insisting that Crush has no holbacks???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 10:17 PM
Again, these are NOT TAZ parents or igloo parents complaining. There are many friendships across both teams and the 'noise' is from trouble-makers trying to stir the pot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL website shows the highest point makers for Igloo all weekend have fall '02 birthdays. That is a holdback on Long Island - they should be 2020's (8th) and they are playing down in 2021.



The crying in here from the igloo parents is hysterical. Like a early post you can't change age which is why an age based tournament is more transparent. To sit here and continue to say 8th graders bet up 7th graders, don't your kids play JV? So your 7th grader played 10th graders and you pounded your chest. SMH at the craziness on here. You lost get over it and it wasn't a pretty loss either.


Let's see who's crying next week! Bet it won't be Igloo parents. Enjoy your "win", probably won'y see one of those again!


Yes you'll enter a grade based tournament with your 6 2002 kids and act like you dont have holdbacks. Then run around that you are the best. Keep bashing TAZ. They entered an AGE based tournament with AGE eligible kids. You enter GRADE based tournaments with holdbacks. Bet you regret the DOB being posted because now we all know the truth
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/07/16 10:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?


Middie is old and committed to UNC. #25 is an August birthday and played in the WSYL last year. Great kid and most here in MD don't consider August birthdays "holdbacks" Also, not a crabs parent. BTW, the biggest joke is the big attackman. Will be 16 soon if not already.


August is for sure a Holdback month??? Sept 1 is the cut off in Maryland for school?? It may only be a month but it is holding your child back..The player went from being the youngest in his age group to being the oldest..just by holding him back a year!! Is it fair for him to get this advantage while ALL other non holdback kids dont enjoy it?? Of course not. Age base teams are in the spirit of youth sports. Select kids shouldn't get an advantage in youth sports .


The kid was started late when he was 5 or 6. 3 weeks isn't a big deal to me, especially when it is done that early. If you want to bang on the teams (crabs) that actively encourage kids to reclass while in middle school and already good athletes, I'm with you. (that's what the UNC commit did as well as many others on that team). Again, not crabs dad, my kid has a 2002 birthday and plays 2020.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/08/16 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?


Middie is old and committed to UNC. #25 is an August birthday and played in the WSYL last year. Great kid and most here in MD don't consider August birthdays "holdbacks" Also, not a crabs parent. BTW, the biggest joke is the big attackman. Will be 16 soon if not already.


August is for sure a Holdback month??? Sept 1 is the cut off in Maryland for school?? It may only be a month but it is holding your child back..The player went from being the youngest in his age group to being the oldest..just by holding him back a year!! Is it fair for him to get this advantage while ALL other non holdback kids dont enjoy it?? Of course not. Age base teams are in the spirit of youth sports. Select kids shouldn't get an advantage in youth sports .


The kid was started late when he was 5 or 6. 3 weeks isn't a big deal to me, especially when it is done that early. If you want to bang on the teams (crabs) that actively encourage kids to reclass while in middle school and already good athletes, I'm with you. (that's what the UNC commit did as well as many others on that team). Again, not crabs dad, my kid has a 2002 birthday and plays 2020.


So your saying the Unc f/o commit dominates 2020 the way Taz f/o dominates 2021? Yes a year can make a big difference!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/08/16 01:38 PM
I think everyone needs to think about why are they playing select lacrosse. Most people pay an exorbitant amount of money for your child to get recruited. These games are not about winning but getting looks from colleges that might want to recruit your son or daughter. If your son or daughter is on the 2021 team, then that is what the colleges want to know. They want to know that this is when this child will be potentially coming to my school. Kids all develop at different ages and that's fine too... I have four boys and even they developed at different times in there life's. Do you not think that if you took away the winning and just worried about how your kid performs on the field that everything will work itself out. Do you not think that when these kids enter High School or College that they will not meet the same adversity with playing with older boys? Manage your own expectations of your child and encourage them to do their best. When they walk off that field just be happy that they gave 100%... everything else will work its way out!

Keep Laxin!

MD Dad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/08/16 02:24 PM
Wow , well said and with common sense, especially the 1st sentence! Why are we doing this and for who? The player OR THE PAYEE??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/08/16 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think everyone needs to think about why are they playing select lacrosse. Most people pay an exorbitant amount of money for your child to get recruited. These games are not about winning but getting looks from colleges that might want to recruit your son or daughter. If your son or daughter is on the 2021 team, then that is what the colleges want to know. They want to know that this is when this child will be potentially coming to my school. Kids all develop at different ages and that's fine too... I have four boys and even they developed at different times in there life's. Do you not think that if you took away the winning and just worried about how your kid performs on the field that everything will work itself out. Do you not think that when these kids enter High School or College that they will not meet the same adversity with playing with older boys? Manage your own expectations of your child and encourage them to do their best. When they walk off that field just be happy that they gave 100%... everything else will work its way out!

Keep Laxin!

MD Dad
True when a kid gets to H.S. or college they will be expected to play with other kids 3+ years older. True college coaches are not necessarily looking at the scoreboard, and just want to know what year any given kid will be expected to graduate and play for their program. True if a kid is gifted he/she will get looks from coaches no matter what program they play for. That is what makes what you parents from Maryland so dishonest. At the age we are talking about they are not expected to play against kids 2 to 3 years older, but with your dishonest practice oh prefirst, and holdbacks, sometimes making your kid as much as 3 years older than others gives them a decided advantage when a coach is only looking at what year will they start playing for them. If you and your state-mates were so confident in "everything working it's way out" then why resort to such clearly underhanded tactics? It's obviously so your kid will get the roster spot being given out in the the 7th and 8th grade by these coaches, when your kid should, in reality, be in 9th grade. But then, in the hight of hypocrisy, that can only come from the state that holds the center of American politics, You are now trying to say that it is us from Long Island that is some how more guilty of this practice. IF, and I do mean IF any parents from L.I. do this it's only to combat the fact that you Terps have been doing it for years and we are only trying to give our kids a far shake, and you have the audacity to cry foul? To my knowledge holdbacks are not as prevalent on the Island as down in crab country so stop your crying

Signed
A Lawn guy land parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/08/16 03:23 PM
Funny how WSYL is on TV but they dont have enough sponsership to air the U-19 games....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/08/16 03:43 PM
Want to know why you have zero integrity and no one from Maryland cares/listens to you? Because of this statement "That is what makes what you parents from Maryland so dishonest". Not all of us do what you are accusing us of doing, 95+% of our kids are "on age" by Maryland (cutoff) rules and in the proper class. Say that about the Crabs and I get it. But all of us.


Classless as usual.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/08/16 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Want to know why you have zero integrity and no one from Maryland cares/listens to you? Because of this statement "That is what makes what you parents from Maryland so dishonest". Not all of us do what you are accusing us of doing, 95+% of our kids are "on age" by Maryland (cutoff) rules and in the proper class. Say that about the Crabs and I get it. But all of us.


Classless as usual.


I agree with this point, but "on age" in MD is older than "on age" in NY, so there is still a problem, in my opinion, when the two areas compete in grade based tournaments. Yes, no one is cheating, but its still a systemic problem that should be solved. A move to age-based levels would solve this problem. My kids have played MD/VA teams in hockey where its calendar year-based, and the world has not yet come to an end.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/08/16 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Want to know why you have zero integrity and no one from Maryland cares/listens to you? Because of this statement "That is what makes what you parents from Maryland so dishonest". Not all of us do what you are accusing us of doing, 95+% of our kids are "on age" by Maryland (cutoff) rules and in the proper class. Say that about the Crabs and I get it. But all of us.


Classless as usual.


I agree with this point, but "on age" in MD is older than "on age" in NY, so there is still a problem, in my opinion, when the two areas compete in grade based tournaments. Yes, no one is cheating, but its still a systemic problem that should be solved. A move to age-based levels would solve this problem. My kids have played MD/VA teams in hockey where its calendar year-based, and the world has not yet come to an end.


Maybe you LI'rs should address this with your state government. It used to be the same way here in MD (1-1)but it changed to 9-1 several years ago. I doubt that anyone that posts here has control of how they determine the tournaments so we can't change that. I also agree with the original post in this thread that outside of crabs a very few kids are "holdbacks" There are a handful of pre-first kids or kids who repeated for academic reasons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/09/16 12:16 AM
All valid points !!! Maryland and Long Island agreeing. Our state governing bodies should find common ground.

God bless Dallas and our fallen officers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/09/16 12:57 PM
So how do you explain 90% at Jake Reed vs 2020 hold backs when he is a 2020? What's the excuse there? He dominated because......? He is one of the youngest if not the youngest of the top 2020 f/o kids, that includes your hold backs. Here's some more food for thought, do the MLL f/o guys cry when they go against BIGGER, OLDER guys like GG? No they work harder. If you put more time into encouraging your kid to work harder, practice more, maybe you wouldn't have to worry about the other more dominant kids. Maybe it would be YOUR kid they were writing about? The fact that he's obviously got your attention speaks loud and clear.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/09/16 01:57 PM
Great point Steve
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/09/16 02:13 PM
/yawn

Can we talk about something actually interesting, like maybe the lacrosse played at WSYL? How did some of the teams looks? Offenses? Defenses (like why both teams in c-chip pressed out with no slides)? What non-hotbed teams surprised and why?

bdpwxp
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/09/16 02:52 PM
Who cares? The talent at Young Guns was much stronger than this tournament. It's also a sham for changing the rules just to benefit one team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/09/16 03:00 PM
How about its over a team needed to legally play down to win a tournament vs a 2021 team that should of won
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/09/16 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about its over a team needed to legally play down to win a tournament vs a 2021 team that should of won


No playing down in age based tnmt. "should have won"? That's a silly statement. Anyone who plays travel lacrosse knows you play the team on the field. You have to combat heat, exhaustion, sometimes questionable calls. The fact is if you are better you pop more in the net and win. That's what happened. The team that "should have won" did just that. They won. And again, igloo is a good team but stop pretending they are younger. They have several holdbacks on their "'21" roster.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/09/16 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about its over a team needed to legally play down to win a tournament vs a 2021 team that should of won


They didn't win. They lost twice. Why don't you ask the igloo director if sending black ice was his first choice. Spoiler alert, it wasn't. Stop crying. No one plays down in an age based tournament.
Posted By: Expectations Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/11/16 02:40 AM
I Agree.Most teams don't have multi-year hold-backs. I know our Hawks kids have never been held back to get the advantage on any team we have played. We played the L.I. team and it was some great competition. We always look forward to good competition.

Posted By: Expectations Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/11/16 02:47 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that this practice of holding kids back is going to continue to grow, but not sure if I care either way. My kids are public students so that will never be an option. The public school system is not going to let you hold your child back so he can play another year of lacrosse or any sport for that matter. The Crabs have two kids that are double hold backs and more than a few single year hold backs but they are not dominating anyone in Md. Looney's, Crabs, Hawks and FCA are all four competitive teams in MD. L.I. Express did really well in the Crab Feast Tournament and should be proud.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/26/16 09:13 PM
9/1/03 it is
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/26/16 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 it is


i heard its moving to 1/1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 07/27/16 12:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 it is


Where does it say that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/01/16 02:28 PM
This new cutoff is a bit of a curve ball. Can MD or PA even field a 2022 team.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/01/16 03:02 PM
Originally Posted by Expectations
There is no doubt in my mind that this practice of holding kids back is going to continue to grow, but not sure if I care either way. My kids are public students so that will never be an option. The public school system is not going to let you hold your child back so he can play another year of lacrosse or any sport for that matter. The Crabs have two kids that are double hold backs and more than a few single year hold backs but they are not dominating anyone in Md. Looney's, Crabs, Hawks and FCA are all four competitive teams in MD. L.I. Express did really well in the Crab Feast Tournament and should be proud.



any parent that holds back a kid for sport should have their children taken away from them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/01/16 09:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Expectations
There is no doubt in my mind that this practice of holding kids back is going to continue to grow, but not sure if I care either way. My kids are public students so that will never be an option. The public school system is not going to let you hold your child back so he can play another year of lacrosse or any sport for that matter. The Crabs have two kids that are double hold backs and more than a few single year hold backs but they are not dominating anyone in Md. Looney's, Crabs, Hawks and FCA are all four competitive teams in MD. L.I. Express did really well in the Crab Feast Tournament and should be proud.



any parent that holds back a kid for sport should have their children taken away from them


Maryland would need a major new tax increase to build the hundreds of orphanages for the thousands of orphans.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 10:54 AM
9/1/03 very interesting they conform now ????? should have been this way from the get go
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 11:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 very interesting they conform now ????? should have been this way from the get go


That was so certain older kids could play on Blaze, the "superstars" did nothing because they were outmatched by older players from a different team who did the same. A total embarrassment that was! Back to being sensible and fair!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 it is


Where does it say that?



It doesnt on WSYL website or their twitter/Facebook?? Wonder where this rumor is coming from??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 01:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 it is


Where does it say that?



It doesnt on WSYL website or their twitter/Facebook?? Wonder where this rumor is coming from??


In the email they sent out
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 it is


Where does it say that?



It doesnt on WSYL website or their twitter/Facebook?? Wonder where this rumor is coming from??


they sent an email out with date 9/1/03 as cutoff
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 it is


Where does it say that?



It doesnt on WSYL website or their twitter/Facebook?? Wonder where this rumor is coming from??


they sent an email out with date 9/1/03 as cutoff


Age Eligibility: Players must be born on or after 9/1/2003
Advancement: The top 4 teams from each Regional Qualifier will advance to the Championship Series in Denver on July 2-4, 2017
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 02:32 PM
By continually changing the age requirements each year, the organization shows how they are willing to manipulate the rules for their benefit.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 02:34 PM
Didn't the dates change last year? Most likely will again after the club directors get involved.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 03:03 PM
Is that on the site or just an email that went out?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 03:19 PM
Are there any other changes to eligibility requirements? Or is it just the birthdate?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn't the dates change last year? Most likely will again after the club directors get involved.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 it is


Where does it say that?



It doesnt on WSYL website or their twitter/Facebook?? Wonder where this rumor is coming from??


they sent an email out with date 9/1/03 as cutoff


Age Eligibility: Players must be born on or after 9/1/2003
Advancement: The top 4 teams from each Regional Qualifier will advance to the Championship Series in Denver on July 2-4, 2017


Who did this email go out to?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 05:05 PM
Who thinks there will be adjustments in the coming months
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 05:47 PM
Same as US lacrosse the way it should be this will be it moving forward
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/02/16 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 it is


Where does it say that?



It doesnt on WSYL website or their twitter/Facebook?? Wonder where this rumor is coming from??


they sent an email out with date 9/1/03 as cutoff


Age Eligibility: Players must be born on or after 9/1/2003
Advancement: The top 4 teams from each Regional Qualifier will advance to the Championship Series in Denver on July 2-4, 2017


what was the eligibility age last year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/03/16 08:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1/03 it is


Where does it say that?



It doesnt on WSYL website or their twitter/Facebook?? Wonder where this rumor is coming from??


they sent an email out with date 9/1/03 as cutoff


Age Eligibility: Players must be born on or after 9/1/2003
Advancement: The top 4 teams from each Regional Qualifier will advance to the Championship Series in Denver on July 2-4, 2017


If they use that date for the cutoff the majority of the kids eligible to play in the World Series will be 7th graders. Any of the good 8th graders with late birthdays should be very desirable to a program come tryout time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/03/16 05:22 PM
So true 2021 kids got hosed. Last year was for 2020, next year is 2022.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/03/16 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So true 2021 kids got hosed. Last year was for 2020, next year is 2022.
Unfortunately for WSYL and even lacrosse in general, for them to get everything proper to an age based system there will be one particular grade year that will get screwed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/03/16 10:51 PM
what a bunch of BS...so this year cutoff was 5/1/02....had it been left at 9/1/02 would have been a much different outcome....now they put it back to 9/1....because one L.I. 2020 team steamrolled through a bunch of 13 yr olds...very unfair to all of the teams that participated this year...a lot of $$$ spent...glad my sons team didnt go
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 05:23 AM
Under the new rules Igloo would have been champs this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
what a bunch of BS...so this year cutoff was 5/1/02....had it been left at 9/1/02 would have been a much different outcome....now they put it back to 9/1....because one L.I. 2020 team steamrolled through a bunch of 13 yr olds...very unfair to all of the teams that participated this year...a lot of $$$ spent...glad my sons team didnt go
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 10:47 AM
I will bet that this will change, back to the 5/1 cut off. Why? Because there will be lots of clubs that will not participate because they have lots of 2022 team members who are born between 5/1 and 8/31 that won't be able to go. The only state that this benefits is NY. They should do the original 5/1 cutoff, but you have to be 2022 also. That is how it was the first year. Last year (5/1 and class of 2020 or younger), the second year they went to strictly age 5/1 and the grade didn't matter so they kids could have been a very young 2020 or normal 2021.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So true 2021 kids got hosed. Last year was for 2020, next year is 2022.
Unfortunately for WSYL and even lacrosse in general, for them to get everything proper to an age based system there will be one particular grade year that will get screwed.


No..It just shows the state of YOUTH Lacrosse at this time. With all the holdbacks/prefirst players becoming the norm and better teams loaded with these kids playing down.

Who knows after all the Maryland/PA,etc Grade base teams loaded with holdbacks/prefirst players dont attend the tournament...Watch the WSYL change eligibility date back to something else to accommodate the holdback teams.

Youth Lacrosse is in a sad state as it pertains to be a fair and level playing field for all players and staying within the spirit of youth athletics at this time.

But no fears, out of hundreds of thousands of youth players we are accommodating the College Early Recruiting of 50 players going from 8th to 9 grade players.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will bet that this will change, back to the 5/1 cut off. Why? Because there will be lots of clubs that will not participate because they have lots of 2022 team members who are born between 5/1 and 8/31 that won't be able to go. The only state that this benefits is NY. They should do the original 5/1 cutoff, but you have to be 2022 also. That is how it was the first year. Last year (5/1 and class of 2020 or younger), the second year they went to strictly age 5/1 and the grade didn't matter so they kids could have been a very young 2020 or normal 2021.


"""""""""They should do the original 5/1 cutoff, but you have to be 2022 also.""""""""""""

Grade base teams only let select kids play down?? When did youth lacrosse turn into letting only select group of heldback players get an advantage. Yea that goes with the spirit of YOUTH lacrosse.

WSYL just needs a age cutoff and teams can work with it. Everyone is on a level playing field with an age cutoff. Even tho the age cutoff of May 1 last year was to accommodate all the grade base teams loaded with holdbacks. Didnt work out for holdback teams when you have a level playing field of age base as WSYL showed.

Even if it is a crazy age base date of May 1, It will at least get the holdback teams to participate. Going to Sept 1 in the present holdback era of youth lacrosse will eliminate all the better Maryland/PA teams.




Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 01:53 PM
The cut off date means nothing cause no matter what it is at least you are playing against kids your age what clubs choose to do is up to them but I believe most clubs will make special teams. That creates a level playing ground don't matter where you are from your age is your age .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 01:56 PM
It's very simple make it age based, pick a cut off date and stick with it. The little league World Series has been doing it this way for decades. It's not that difficult.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I will bet that this will change, back to the 5/1 cut off. Why? Because there will be lots of clubs that will not participate because they have lots of 2022 team members who are born between 5/1 and 8/31 that won't be able to go. The only state that this benefits is NY. They should do the original 5/1 cutoff, but you have to be 2022 also. That is how it was the first year. Last year (5/1 and class of 2020 or younger), the second year they went to strictly age 5/1 and the grade didn't matter so they kids could have been a very young 2020 or normal 2021.


The title of the game is Youth Lacrosse - People want to watch a youth lacrosse Game - Not 6'4" 14 year olds. This year's game was terrible. Do you think NY teams are stupid, if they go back to 5/1 they will just bring thier older team just like Legacy did this year. If anything they should do what Soccer and Hockey do and move the date back 1/1/2004.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 04:45 PM
They moved the date to May 1 to try and give other team outside Long Island a chance to compete. They knew Long Island has a December 1 school cut off day and the top teams stick to the Sept 1 and 2021 date. However they never expected Long Island teams would drop kids down from 2030 to 2021. The only way anyone will compete with Long Island is drop the date back down to 5/1 and keep the graduating year at 2022. This will allow teams to have a chance against Long Island teams. This past year if the cut off would have been 5/1 and graduating 2021 igloo a Long Island team whose oldest kid was born in November 2002 would have won but at least had competition from a California team who had many born between 5/1 and 9/1 2002 including its best players. It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They moved the date to May 1 to try and give other team outside Long Island a chance to compete. They knew Long Island has a December 1 school cut off day and the top teams stick to the Sept 1 and 2021 date. However they never expected Long Island teams would drop kids down from 2030 to 2021. The only way anyone will compete with Long Island is drop the date back down to 5/1 and keep the graduating year at 2022. This will allow teams to have a chance against Long Island teams. This past year if the cut off would have been 5/1 and graduating 2021 igloo a Long Island team whose oldest kid was born in November 2002 would have won but at least had competition from a California team who had many born between 5/1 and 9/1 2002 including its best players. It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


How do you police School year? It's got to be birthday and show Birth certificate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 05:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They moved the date to May 1 to try and give other team outside Long Island a chance to compete. They knew Long Island has a December 1 school cut off day and the top teams stick to the Sept 1 and 2021 date. However they never expected Long Island teams would drop kids down from 2030 to 2021. The only way anyone will compete with Long Island is drop the date back down to 5/1 and keep the graduating year at 2022. This will allow teams to have a chance against Long Island teams. This past year if the cut off would have been 5/1 and graduating 2021 igloo a Long Island team whose oldest kid was born in November 2002 would have won but at least had competition from a California team who had many born between 5/1 and 9/1 2002 including its best players. It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.

NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AGE IS AGE WHETHER CALIFORNIA, MARYLAND OR NY FOR THAT MATTER THE AGE IS THE AGE ..... IF YOU ARE BORN ON OR AFTER 9/1/2003 YOU ARE ELIGIBLE DONT GET MUCH EASIER THEN THAT ...HOLDBACK NO HOLBACK IT DONT MATTER PLAY YOUR AGE
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 05:57 PM

Not police school year but require kids to be born after May 1 and be a 2022 graduate. I get it rewards holdbacks but without some age help Long Island teams will win big every year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They moved the date to May 1 to try and give other team outside Long Island a chance to compete. They knew Long Island has a December 1 school cut off day and the top teams stick to the Sept 1 and 2021 date. However they never expected Long Island teams would drop kids down from 2030 to 2021. The only way anyone will compete with Long Island is drop the date back down to 5/1 and keep the graduating year at 2022. This will allow teams to have a chance against Long Island teams. This past year if the cut off would have been 5/1 and graduating 2021 igloo a Long Island team whose oldest kid was born in November 2002 would have won but at least had competition from a California team who had many born between 5/1 and 9/1 2002 including its best players. It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


How do you police School year? It's got to be birthday and show Birth certificate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 06:00 PM
Follow the $$$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 06:03 PM
Yet there is still nothing on there site about the change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 07:01 PM
It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting. [/quote]

So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years... [/quote]

That is actually what this person is saying???
This is Hilarious..Why Long island has some top talent..I am sure some other area can make up some super teams and compete..If not..Then LI deserves to be known as best place on Earth of Youth Lacrosse players!.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 08:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years...


That is actually what this person is saying???
This is Hilarious..Why Long island has some top talent..I am sure some other area can make up some super teams and compete..If not..Then LI deserves to be known as best place on Earth of Youth Lacrosse players!. [/quote]

By DOB, LI has the strongest youth lacrosse players without question.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years...


That is actually what this person is saying???
This is Hilarious..Why Long island has some top talent..I am sure some other area can make up some super teams and compete..If not..Then LI deserves to be known as best place on Earth of Youth Lacrosse players!.


By DOB, LI has the strongest youth lacrosse players without question.[/quote]

By DOB LI is by far the best. However, if we hold kids back a year then we are just as good as them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/04/16 11:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years...


That is actually what this person is saying???
This is Hilarious..Why Long island has some top talent..I am sure some other area can make up some super teams and compete..If not..Then LI deserves to be known as best place on Earth of Youth Lacrosse players!.


By DOB, LI has the strongest youth lacrosse players without question.


By DOB LI is by far the best. However, if we hold kids back a year then we are just as good as them. [/quote]

You LI dads just go around accusing every team you lose to of having holdbacks. Most of the time you're wrong. Try losing without making excuses.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 01:35 AM
See you in CO (or not)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 02:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years...


That is actually what this person is saying???
This is Hilarious..Why Long island has some top talent..I am sure some other area can make up some super teams and compete..If not..Then LI deserves to be known as best place on Earth of Youth Lacrosse players!.


By DOB, LI has the strongest youth lacrosse players without question.


By DOB LI is by far the best. However, if we hold kids back a year then we are just as good as them.


You LI dads just go around accusing every team you lose to of having holdbacks. Most of the time you're wrong. Try losing without making excuses. [/quote]

We are not the ones on here complaining that we have no shot at winning the WSYL without holdbacks. Pick a Birthdate 5/1, 9/1, 1/1 and we will put a team on the field and we will win. I would like to see 9/1 or 1/1 just because I would like to see the kids play and not 14 year olds beating up on 12 and 13 years olds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 02:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years...


That is actually what this person is saying???
This is Hilarious..Why Long island has some top talent..I am sure some other area can make up some super teams and compete..If not..Then LI deserves to be known as best place on Earth of Youth Lacrosse players!.


By DOB, LI has the strongest youth lacrosse players without question.


By DOB LI is by far the best. However, if we hold kids back a year then we are just as good as them.


You LI dads just go around accusing every team you lose to of having holdbacks. Most of the time you're wrong. Try losing without making excuses. [/quote]

The only teams that lost in Colorado were the Maryland teams. Additionally, they had some of the oldest players. Look at the DOBs on the website. Blaze and Igloo were the youngest teams there. Where were the Crabs? Their 2021 team was too old even with the 5/1/02 cutoff. Our team had numerous kids born after 5/1/03. No need to make excuses when our team made it to primetime. Fact.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 04:24 AM

WSYL proved that without holdbacks no state or even region can compete with Long Island teams that are made up of kids who live a few miles apart. This is so even when the Long Island teams were much younger. The holdbacks that Long Island teams have to play are sometimes two years older given the 12/1 lLong Island school cut off. So yes when a Long Island team loses to a much bigger team from another state it usually means the other team had kids as much as two years older. Look what happened at this age based event where Long Island had two of the Youngest teams. All three Long Island teams that entered made it to the final four and there was an all Long Island championship. So the other areas do need age help to compete with Long Island teams. That is why they all cheat when they play Long Island teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years...



You LI dads just go around accusing every team you lose to of having holdbacks. Most of the time you're wrong. Try losing without making excuses.


The only teams that lost in Colorado were the Maryland teams. Additionally, they had some of the oldest players. Look at the DOBs on the website. Blaze and Igloo were the youngest teams there. Where were the Crabs? Their 2021 team was too old even with the 5/1/02 cutoff. Our team had numerous kids born after 5/1/03. No need to make excuses when our team made it to primetime. Fact.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 04:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They moved the date to May 1 to try and give other team outside Long Island a chance to compete. They knew Long Island has a December 1 school cut off day and the top teams stick to the Sept 1 and 2021 date. However they never expected Long Island teams would drop kids down from 2030 to 2021. The only way anyone will compete with Long Island is drop the date back down to 5/1 and keep the graduating year at 2022. This will allow teams to have a chance against Long Island teams. This past year if the cut off would have been 5/1 and graduating 2021 igloo a Long Island team whose oldest kid was born in November 2002 would have won but at least had competition from a California team who had many born between 5/1 and 9/1 2002 including its best players. It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


The cut off date is 5/1 because wsyl is copying the little league World Series and that is the date they use. It is simple as that. Little league World Series is going to a 9/1 cutoff for 2018, so wsyl will copy that as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 10:44 AM
If a kid is born 9/2/2003 in NY and another born 9/2/2003 in MD they are the same I am confused by the argument ......You can't be a holdback in an age based tournament .... Grade don't matter its the age that matters if your kid is in 10th grade and 13 what's the difference from the kid who 13 and in 7th grade? I am so confused by this argument .... don't even make sense AGE IS AGE
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 11:08 AM
2017 or 2018?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 11:08 AM
We have beaten every team from LI with no holdbacks and plan on going to Denver to win it all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 11:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They moved the date to May 1 to try and give other team outside Long Island a chance to compete. They knew Long Island has a December 1 school cut off day and the top teams stick to the Sept 1 and 2021 date. However they never expected Long Island teams would drop kids down from 2030 to 2021. The only way anyone will compete with Long Island is drop the date back down to 5/1 and keep the graduating year at 2022. This will allow teams to have a chance against Long Island teams. This past year if the cut off would have been 5/1 and graduating 2021 igloo a Long Island team whose oldest kid was born in November 2002 would have won but at least had competition from a California team who had many born between 5/1 and 9/1 2002 including its best players. It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


The cut off date is 5/1 because wsyl is copying the little league World Series and that is the date they use. It is simple as that. Little league World Series is going to a 9/1 cutoff for 2018, so wsyl will copy that as well.


So what will be WSYL date be next year for 2017 ??? May 1 or Sept 1 ??? Website says May 1, but someone here has said they have an email saying Sept 1 ??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 12:20 PM
Would not bank on that buddy ...Super teams are coming
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

WSYL proved that without holdbacks no state or even region can compete with Long Island teams that are made up of kids who live a few miles apart. This is so even when the Long Island teams were much younger. The holdbacks that Long Island teams have to play are sometimes two years older given the 12/1 lLong Island school cut off. So yes when a Long Island team loses to a much bigger team from another state it usually means the other team had kids as much as two years older. Look what happened at this age based event where Long Island had two of the Youngest teams. All three Long Island teams that entered made it to the final four and there was an all Long Island championship. So the other areas do need age help to compete with Long Island teams. That is why they all cheat when they play Long Island teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years...



You LI dads just go around accusing every team you lose to of having holdbacks. Most of the time you're wrong. Try losing without making excuses.


The only teams that lost in Colorado were the Maryland teams. Additionally, they had some of the oldest players. Look at the DOBs on the website. Blaze and Igloo were the youngest teams there. Where were the Crabs? Their 2021 team was too old even with the 5/1/02 cutoff. Our team had numerous kids born after 5/1/03. No need to make excuses when our team made it to primetime. Fact.


Blaze mainly played the older Crush players they brought along, problem was they were nothing special and were not able to compete with the older kids from the other team. Big embarrassment
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 12:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They moved the date to May 1 to try and give other team outside Long Island a chance to compete. They knew Long Island has a December 1 school cut off day and the top teams stick to the Sept 1 and 2021 date. However they never expected Long Island teams would drop kids down from 2030 to 2021. The only way anyone will compete with Long Island is drop the date back down to 5/1 and keep the graduating year at 2022. This will allow teams to have a chance against Long Island teams. This past year if the cut off would have been 5/1 and graduating 2021 igloo a Long Island team whose oldest kid was born in November 2002 would have won but at least had competition from a California team who had many born between 5/1 and 9/1 2002 including its best players. It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


The cut off date is 5/1 because wsyl is copying the little league World Series and that is the date they use. It is simple as that. Little league World Series is going to a 9/1 cutoff for 2018, so wsyl will copy that as well.


So what will be WSYL date be next year for 2017 ??? May 1 or Sept 1 ??? Website says May 1, but someone here has said they have an email saying Sept 1 ??


The date is 9/1/2003 sorry u didn't get the memo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 01:17 PM
On Long Island a kid that is born Sept 1 , 2002 that plays in the 2021 year is a holdback but proper age in most other states including Md and Pa. most of The Long Island kids born before 12/1 will be playing 2020 not 2021. So on Long Island many kids born Sept 2003 are playing on 2020 teams and won't play down on a 2021 team. Igloo could have moved younger kids on the 2020 team to play on the WSYL to improve the 2021 team but did not. Most will not do that. It disrupts the team and the kids don't want to play down. Legacy chose to move those kids down and destroyed everyone. So you are right that age based is normally a fair measure but for a one weekend tournament the long Island teams and kids won't play 2021 when they are 2020 giving the other state teams a chance to win with older kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If a kid is born 9/2/2003 in NY and another born 9/2/2003 in MD they are the same I am confused by the argument ......You can't be a holdback in an age based tournament .... Grade don't matter its the age that matters if your kid is in 10th grade and 13 what's the difference from the kid who 13 and in 7th grade? I am so confused by this argument .... don't even make sense AGE IS AGE
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On Long Island a kid that is born Sept 1 , 2002 that plays in the 2021 year is a holdback but proper age in most other states including Md and Pa. most of The Long Island kids born before 12/1 will be playing 2020 not 2021. So on Long Island many kids born Sept 2003 are playing on 2020 teams and won't play down on a 2021 team. Igloo could have moved younger kids on the 2020 team to play on the WSYL to improve the 2021 team but did not. Most will not do that. It disrupts the team and the kids don't want to play down. Legacy chose to move those kids down and destroyed everyone. So you are right that age based is normally a fair measure but for a one weekend tournament the long Island teams and kids won't play 2021 when they are 2020 giving the other state teams a chance to win with older kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If a kid is born 9/2/2003 in NY and another born 9/2/2003 in MD they are the same I am confused by the argument ......You can't be a holdback in an age based tournament .... Grade don't matter its the age that matters if your kid is in 10th grade and 13 what's the difference from the kid who 13 and in 7th grade? I am so confused by this argument .... don't even make sense AGE IS AGE


Once again the grade does NOT matter teams will be holding separate tryouts for these teams and go with the best teams possible ..... extra $$$$ for all clubs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 01:32 PM

If Long Island had a Sept 1 school cutoff date you would have a more difficult time beating those teams. I know of a kid that plays and starts on a 2021AA Long Island team born after 9/1/03 and is just under 6 feet 140 lbs. He has been asked to play on a 2022 World Series team for next year. He declined but many other kids like him will say yes and play when asked or tryout for those super teams. Imagine how much better those Long Island teams you barley beat would be adding five kids to each team that are close to 6 feet fastest and skilled. that is what would happen if Long Island hade a 9/1 cut off date. Don't be so confident. You don't know what changes will be made to the teams you beat in the past. All they have to do is pull older kids from the 2021 team and the starters you beat will be on the bench.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We have beaten every team from LI with no holdbacks and plan on going to Denver to win it all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 02:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Long Island had a Sept 1 school cutoff date you would have a more difficult time beating those teams. I know of a kid that plays and starts on a 2021AA Long Island team born after 9/1/03 and is just under 6 feet 140 lbs. He has been asked to play on a 2022 World Series team for next year. He declined but many other kids like him will say yes and play when asked or tryout for those super teams. Imagine how much better those Long Island teams you barley beat would be adding five kids to each team that are close to 6 feet fastest and skilled. that is what would happen if Long Island hade a 9/1 cut off date. Don't be so confident. You don't know what changes will be made to the teams you beat in the past. All they have to do is pull older kids from the 2021 team and the starters you beat will be on the bench.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We have beaten every team from LI with no holdbacks and plan on going to Denver to win it all.

Its not 2022 its u13 with age cut off of 9/1/2003
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 06:15 PM
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WSYL proved that without holdbacks no state or even region can compete with Long Island teams that are made up of kids who live a few miles apart. This is so even when the Long Island teams were much younger. The holdbacks that Long Island teams have to play are sometimes two years older given the 12/1 lLong Island school cut off. So yes when a Long Island team loses to a much bigger team from another state it usually means the other team had kids as much as two years older. Look what happened at this age based event where Long Island had two of the Youngest teams. All three Long Island teams that entered made it to the final four and there was an all Long Island championship. So the other areas do need age help to compete with Long Island teams. That is why they all cheat when they play Long Island teams.
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It will get boring watching Long Island teams win every year. They have to do something to make it interesting.


So will everyone admit then that LI has the best lacrosse and the only way other areas can compete is to hold your kids back a couple of years...



You LI dads just go around accusing every team you lose to of having holdbacks. Most of the time you're wrong. Try losing without making excuses.


The only teams that lost in Colorado were the Maryland teams. Additionally, they had some of the oldest players. Look at the DOBs on the website. Blaze and Igloo were the youngest teams there. Where were the Crabs? Their 2021 team was too old even with the 5/1/02 cutoff. Our team had numerous kids born after 5/1/03. No need to make excuses when our team made it to primetime. Fact.


Blaze mainly played the older Crush players they brought along, problem was they were nothing special and were not able to compete with the older kids from the other team. Big embarrassment


were their 2 committed defenders there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 07:33 PM
Yep, and midfielder and attack, goalie
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 08:22 PM
Correct but most long Island kids born before 12/1/03 will be playing on NY 2021 teams not 2022 teams. Kids from PA and MD and other areas born before 12/1/03 will be playing 2022 and don't have to play down on a team. That is where non NY teams have an advantage which is fine because they need the help. It is not fun and the kids don't learn in blow out games. The WSYL champs proved what long Island teams will do to everyone else in aged based competition.

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If Long Island had a Sept 1 school cutoff date you would have a more difficult time beating those teams. I know of a kid that plays and starts on a 2021AA Long Island team born after 9/1/03 and is just under 6 feet 140 lbs. He has been asked to play on a 2022 World Series team for next year. He declined but many other kids like him will say yes and play when asked or tryout for those super teams. Imagine how much better those Long Island teams you barley beat would be adding five kids to each team that are close to 6 feet fastest and skilled. that is what would happen if Long Island hade a 9/1 cut off date. Don't be so confident. You don't know what changes will be made to the teams you beat in the past. All they have to do is pull older kids from the 2021 team and the starters you beat will be on the bench.
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We have beaten every team from LI with no holdbacks and plan on going to Denver to win it all.

Its not 2022 its u13 with age cut off of 9/1/2003
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/05/16 09:11 PM
With a cut off of Sept 1 .....

The best Maryland teams will skip it. The better teams are all grade base and have many holdbacks.. Thats why they are the best. Take their advantage away... No way Crabs, FCA, etc even attempt it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/06/16 01:22 AM
WSYL is a joke. Who cares. Competition sucks. Far to travel. Better teams at tourneys the weeks before and after that one. And stay home July 4th weekend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/06/16 04:05 AM
Wsyl may have just killed itself and will be a joke like dicks TOC and the USL championship. Too many teams have formed around the graduation year requirements and the first tournament with a 2022 televised championship will now be "the championship". Anyone see a Naptown with 2022 stealing all the thunder?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/06/16 10:44 PM
How do we make it fair to compete with the Long Island teams? How about li has a 9/1 cutoff and MD has a 5/1?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/07/16 04:27 AM
The 9/1 cutoff is great, but they just screwed a bunch of kids that could have played last year but didn't thinking they could play this year - only to have wsyl change the dates on them with no notice. Not cool. Wsyl should have a year's notice to transition so they don't leave anyone out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/07/16 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 9/1 cutoff is great, but they just screwed a bunch of kids that could have played last year but didn't thinking they could play this year - only to have wsyl change the dates on them with no notice. Not cool. Wsyl should have a year's notice to transition so they don't leave anyone out.


yup.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 06:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 9/1 cutoff is great, but they just screwed a bunch of kids that could have played last year but didn't thinking they could play this year - only to have wsyl change the dates on them with no notice. Not cool. Wsyl should have a year's notice to transition so they don't leave anyone out.


It changed a few times last year. Give it time. Set your rosters to 9/1. Then watch the change it and some teams create a different team. Make sure the team you tryout for will take your kid to WSYL even if dates change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 11:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 9/1 cutoff is great, but they just screwed a bunch of kids that could have played last year but didn't thinking they could play this year - only to have wsyl change the dates on them with no notice. Not cool. Wsyl should have a year's notice to transition so they don't leave anyone out.


It changed a few times last year. Give it time. Set your rosters to 9/1. Then watch the change it and some teams create a different team. Make sure the team you tryout for will take your kid to WSYL even if dates change.


Don't see it changing back the only reason it was change in the first place was so one team we all know who they are thought they would gain an advantage on another team they would love to have beat and boy did that really back fire. Even with your 2 2020 college commits you still don't make finals and the team you tried to dup did. Yes they did not win in finals but boy was it sweet not to see you on TV..LOL Karma my friends Karma>>>>Karma at its finest not to mention they GET SMOKED IN SEMI'S>>>>>Good Luck this year #NINTONEKARMANEVERFAILS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 01:06 PM
Oh and by the way - lost to the other team they geared up to beat in the qualifier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 01:43 PM
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Oh and by the way - lost to the other team they geared up to beat in the qualifier.


You mean got SMOKED 11-4 and was never close #canofwhoopass >>>> BS ponytail was between his legs+++++LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 01:47 PM
If Igloo and 100-9 had any balls, they would play a game soon to find out who is king.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 02:01 PM
I think we all now who is King at 2021.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 02:18 PM
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If Igloo and 100-9 had any balls, they would play a game soon to find out who is king.



Who are you talking about Igloo and Blaze or Igloo and the actual Crush Team ? Not a Crush fan, but not a hater, but lets not get stupid, The full actual Crush team would handle Igloo easily, as well they should. Keep things in perspective. The kids from Crush who played in the world series are not close to being the difference makers on that team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 04:56 PM
Igloo beat them two times at lax fest. They also beat them at the WSYL qualifier with four crush boys. None of those three games were even close.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 07:52 PM
This year it WILL be different. The qualifying date has been moved back. 91 has the best (2) 2022 teams on the island to pull from and the 2021AA starter between the pipes. Better not make any early predictions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/08/16 08:10 PM
91 has too many players that won't qualify from those 2 teams. You'll see now who has,the holdbacks. Express middies are out also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/09/16 10:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 has too many players that won't qualify from those 2 teams. You'll see now who has,the holdbacks. Express middies are out also.


Yes we will see I can guarantee 1 thing Legacy wont be there Express won't go 91 will go Igloo will go
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/09/16 11:43 AM
I am going to bet they move it back to 5/1 and also require 2022 grad year. This is how it was on year 1, last year they made it just age based and people lost their minds. The reason it became 5/1 was because the tournament directors started with 9/1 and teams said they wouldn't go because too many of their players would not be eligable. Then they moved it to 7/1 and teams still said they wouldn't come. They then moved it to 5/1 and that worked for most teams. Time will tell, but that is my bet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/09/16 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am going to bet they move it back to 5/1 and also require 2022 grad year. This is how it was on year 1, last year they made it just age based and people lost their minds. The reason it became 5/1 was because the tournament directors started with 9/1 and teams said they wouldn't go because too many of their players would not be eligable. Then they moved it to 7/1 and teams still said they wouldn't come. They then moved it to 5/1 and that worked for most teams. Time will tell, but that is my bet.


I will bet your wrong
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/10/16 12:09 PM
U-13 9/1/2003
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/15/16 08:29 PM
Has there been any update on this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/15/16 09:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am going to bet they move it back to 5/1 and also require 2022 grad year. This is how it was on year 1, last year they made it just age based and people lost their minds. The reason it became 5/1 was because the tournament directors started with 9/1 and teams said they wouldn't go because too many of their players would not be eligable. Then they moved it to 7/1 and teams still said they wouldn't come. They then moved it to 5/1 and that worked for most teams. Time will tell, but that is my bet.


won't ever require a grad year. trying to attract international teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/15/16 10:00 PM
It should be 9/1 as a cut off date. Period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/15/16 10:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am going to bet they move it back to 5/1 and also require 2022 grad year. This is how it was on year 1, last year they made it just age based and people lost their minds. The reason it became 5/1 was because the tournament directors started with 9/1 and teams said they wouldn't go because too many of their players would not be eligable. Then they moved it to 7/1 and teams still said they wouldn't come. They then moved it to 5/1 and that worked for most teams. Time will tell, but that is my bet.


won't ever require a grad year. trying to attract international teams


Attract international teams? Thats funny! They will never be competitive with America or Canada. Look at the U19 teams. Hard to watch, any decent 2016 US team would have won it all! Which begs the question....where have the Canadians been in this supposed "WSYL"?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/15/16 10:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am going to bet they move it back to 5/1 and also require 2022 grad year. This is how it was on year 1, last year they made it just age based and people lost their minds. The reason it became 5/1 was because the tournament directors started with 9/1 and teams said they wouldn't go because too many of their players would not be eligable. Then they moved it to 7/1 and teams still said they wouldn't come. They then moved it to 5/1 and that worked for most teams. Time will tell, but that is my bet.


won't ever require a grad year. trying to attract international teams


Attract international teams? Thats funny! They will never be competitive with America or Canada. Look at the U19 teams. Hard to watch, any decent 2016 US team would have won it all! Which begs the question....where have the Canadians been in this supposed "WSYL"?


Canadian teams seem to have enough sense to attend the best tournaments they can drive to and avoid the ones requiring airfare. Move this tourney to the NE if you really want to have the best teams attend. There are plenty of empty stadiums to use in the NE as well as Denver.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/16/16 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am going to bet they move it back to 5/1 and also require 2022 grad year. This is how it was on year 1, last year they made it just age based and people lost their minds. The reason it became 5/1 was because the tournament directors started with 9/1 and teams said they wouldn't go because too many of their players would not be eligable. Then they moved it to 7/1 and teams still said they wouldn't come. They then moved it to 5/1 and that worked for most teams. Time will tell, but that is my bet.


won't ever require a grad year. trying to attract international teams


Attract international teams? Thats funny! They will never be competitive with America or Canada. Look at the U19 teams. Hard to watch, any decent 2016 US team would have won it all! Which begs the question....where have the Canadians been in this supposed "WSYL"?


Canadian teams seem to have enough sense to attend the best tournaments they can drive to and avoid the ones requiring airfare. Move this tourney to the NE if you really want to have the best teams attend. There are plenty of empty stadiums to use in the NE as well as Denver.


Except that the MLL is looking to expand to the West, not to the North. The Canadian team folded and the league is heading West (along with Coke and the other sponsors)where the money is and where they can add the new time zone to expand the TV coverage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/16/16 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am going to bet they move it back to 5/1 and also require 2022 grad year. This is how it was on year 1, last year they made it just age based and people lost their minds. The reason it became 5/1 was because the tournament directors started with 9/1 and teams said they wouldn't go because too many of their players would not be eligable. Then they moved it to 7/1 and teams still said they wouldn't come. They then moved it to 5/1 and that worked for most teams. Time will tell, but that is my bet.


won't ever require a grad year. trying to attract international teams


Attract international teams? Thats funny! They will never be competitive with America or Canada. Look at the U19 teams. Hard to watch, any decent 2016 US team would have won it all! Which begs the question....where have the Canadians been in this supposed "WSYL"?


Canadian teams seem to have enough sense to attend the best tournaments they can drive to and avoid the ones requiring airfare. Move this tourney to the NE if you really want to have the best teams attend. There are plenty of empty stadiums to use in the NE as well as Denver.


Except that the MLL is looking to expand to the West, not to the North. The Canadian team folded and the league is heading West (along with Coke and the other sponsors)where the money is and where they can add the new time zone to expand the TV coverage.
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Did you say the money is to the West ? You really are dumb. They might be trying to expand the game but definatly not chasing the money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/17/16 11:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I am going to bet they move it back to 5/1 and also require 2022 grad year. This is how it was on year 1, last year they made it just age based and people lost their minds. The reason it became 5/1 was because the tournament directors started with 9/1 and teams said they wouldn't go because too many of their players would not be eligable. Then they moved it to 7/1 and teams still said they wouldn't come. They then moved it to 5/1 and that worked for most teams. Time will tell, but that is my bet.


won't ever require a grad year. trying to attract international teams


Attract international teams? Thats funny! They will never be competitive with America or Canada. Look at the U19 teams. Hard to watch, any decent 2016 US team would have won it all! Which begs the question....where have the Canadians been in this supposed "WSYL"?


Canadian teams seem to have enough sense to attend the best tournaments they can drive to and avoid the ones requiring airfare. Move this tourney to the NE if you really want to have the best teams attend. There are plenty of empty stadiums to use in the NE as well as Denver.


Except that the MLL is looking to expand to the West, not to the North. The Canadian team folded and the league is heading West (along with Coke and the other sponsors)where the money is and where they can add the new time zone to expand the TV coverage.
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Did you say the money is to the West ? You really are dumb. They might be trying to expand the game but definatly not chasing the money. [/quote

Canadians love box much more than field. The lacrosse fans are there, they just went to rock and petersborough games much more than nationals games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/18/16 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am going to bet they move it back to 5/1 and also require 2022 grad year. This is how it was on year 1, last year they made it just age based and people lost their minds. The reason it became 5/1 was because the tournament directors started with 9/1 and teams said they wouldn't go because too many of their players would not be eligable. Then they moved it to 7/1 and teams still said they wouldn't come. They then moved it to 5/1 and that worked for most teams. Time will tell, but that is my bet.


won't ever require a grad year. trying to attract international teams


Attract international teams? Thats funny! They will never be competitive with America or Canada. Look at the U19 teams. Hard to watch, any decent 2016 US team would have won it all! Which begs the question....where have the Canadians been in this supposed "WSYL"?


Canadian teams seem to have enough sense to attend the best tournaments they can drive to and avoid the ones requiring airfare. Move this tourney to the NE if you really want to have the best teams attend. There are plenty of empty stadiums to use in the NE as well as Denver.


Except that the MLL is looking to expand to the West, not to the North. The Canadian team folded and the league is heading West (along with Coke and the other sponsors)where the money is and where they can add the new time zone to expand the TV coverage.
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Did you say the money is to the West ? You really are dumb. They might be trying to expand the game but definatly not chasing the money.


So California and Texas aren't next? You are the dumb one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/19/16 05:49 PM
Are most organizations going with 2022 team or a special selected team based on rules.....9/1/03
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/19/16 07:48 PM
I think they would be fools to not follow the rules laid out and bring any player that qualifies and has the talent.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/20/16 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are most organizations going with 2022 team or a special selected team based on rules.....9/1/03


I think most teams are sticking with their kids that have been together for 4 years and skipping the wsyl if the new cutoff dates don't allow ALL the kids to go.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/20/16 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are most organizations going with 2022 team or a special selected team based on rules.....9/1/03


I think most teams are sticking with their kids that have been together for 4 years and skipping the wsyl if the new cutoff dates don't allow ALL the kids to go.





The only reason kids would not be able to go is if they are held back and older than the expected age for the grade. Plenty of clubs will be able to field competitive teams and even bring their whole roster!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/20/16 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are most organizations going with 2022 team or a special selected team based on rules.....9/1/03


I think most teams are sticking with their kids that have been together for 4 years and skipping the wsyl if the new cutoff dates don't allow ALL the kids to go.





The only reason kids would not be able to go is if they are held back and older than the expected age for the grade. Plenty of clubs will be able to field competitive teams and even bring their whole roster!


Have fun paying for this B level tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/20/16 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Are most organizations going with 2022 team or a special selected team based on rules.....9/1/03


I think most teams are sticking with their kids that have been together for 4 years and skipping the wsyl if the new cutoff dates don't allow ALL the kids to go.





The only reason kids would not be able to go is if they are held back and older than the expected age for the grade. Plenty of clubs will be able to field competitive teams and even bring their whole roster!


Have fun paying for this B level tournament.[/quote

You must be from Md or pa. My teams will be fine and happy with the change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/21/16 03:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Are most organizations going with 2022 team or a special selected team based on rules.....9/1/03


I think most teams are sticking with their kids that have been together for 4 years and skipping the wsyl if the new cutoff dates don't allow ALL the kids to go.





The only reason kids would not be able to go is if they are held back and older than the expected age for the grade. Plenty of clubs will be able to field competitive teams and even bring their whole roster!


Have fun paying for this B level tournament.[/quote

You must be from Md or pa. My teams will be fine and happy with the change.


And it's just because only a small percentage of teams meet these requirements, that it will be a B tournament. Have fun playing against the teams you've played 5 times already this season, only 1,800 miles from where you both live. Warrior thanks you for your stupidity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/25/16 11:14 AM
Seems some think 91 is the favorite out of the gate???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/25/16 09:47 PM
I agree, with the combined talent and coaching staff, 90 + 1 will be the team to beat in the country, WSYL will be a walk in the park for that team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/25/16 11:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, with the combined talent and coaching staff, 90 + 1 will be the team to beat in the country, WSYL will be a walk in the park for that team.


Really looking forward to that 91 vs express championship for the 4th time next summer. Enjoy all the gear.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/26/16 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, with the combined talent and coaching staff, 90 + 1 will be the team to beat in the country, WSYL will be a walk in the park for that team.


Thanks 91 Dad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/26/16 02:03 AM
What's the matter with these people? Holding back there kids! To play lacrosse?? These Parents should be ashamed of themselves. Why do all other sports have a fair aged based system? This is a great sport, and its getting a bad rep. You can't hold back these older kids and then go and hand them a stick and allow them to check a younger kid. besides being unfair, The injuries are adding up. They need to enforce these age requirements building a safer sport where kids can develop and have fun. Believe me as parent it will ease the tension on the sidelines knowing that the other teams are plying fair. PLAYING FAIR!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/26/16 02:20 AM
Great sport that has been poisoned by the dads. Very sad and extremely toxic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/26/16 02:56 AM
No different in bball and football. Kids are 23 when they graduate. They will also play kids older in hs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/26/16 05:22 AM
You can't compare HS to travel. In hs there will be kids of all ages on both teams. In travel many times teams of proper age are playing teams with multiple older kids and many times kids two years older. There is no one to slow up those older bigger kids in travel. In HS it is true that a freshman can be up against an older kid but the hs team will also have older kids to counter. The older kids in hs can't run over every player on the field like they can in travel.
quote=Anonymous]No different in bball and football. Kids are 23 when they graduate. They will also play kids older in hs
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/26/16 12:05 PM
Only A small percentage of teams can meet a 9/1 cutoff? So that means a large percentage of teams are cheating by using older kids. In that case are these so called top teams really that good or are they just older?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/26/16 12:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only A small percentage of teams can meet a 9/1 cutoff? So that means a large percentage of teams are cheating by using older kids. In that case are these so called top teams really that good or are they just older?


Ask Legacy how they did it....

I can see a handful of LI teams out there and the usual western clubs that get destroyed. There are so many better, more competitive tournaments to go to in the Northeast next summer.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/26/16 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only A small percentage of teams can meet a 9/1 cutoff? So that means a large percentage of teams are cheating by using older kids. In that case are these so called top teams really that good or are they just older?


Ask Legacy how they did it....

I can see a handful of LI teams out there and the usual western clubs that get destroyed. There are so many better, more competitive tournaments to go to in the Northeast next summer.

Exactly! Not worth the time or money, and this is coming from someone whos son won it!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/27/16 01:29 AM
Much different! Football has strict age requirements,and weight requirements. You cant compare HS. We are talking about travel Lacrosse clubs that we pay alot of $ and spend it so our kids develop and have fun and compete. Stop the madness of more wins means more money for the club. The Clubs need to get a grip. People will still pay to play lax but do it right. SAME AGE!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/28/16 03:01 PM
Some surprises coming..... Date change ????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/29/16 12:46 AM
Ya ya we've heard that before.My kid just tried out for a club team and lost the spot to a hold back.How do I know? I was there when a friend of my wife's son was born.18 months before mine was born. He said That's how its done in Mannhasset. I strongly disagree. Bad example to set for kids.Soccer has it right!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/30/16 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ya ya we've heard that before.My kid just tried out for a club team and lost the spot to a hold back.How do I know? I was there when a friend of my wife's son was born.18 months before mine was born. He said That's how its done in Mannhasset. I strongly disagree. Bad example to set for kids.Soccer has it right!
you mean wife's ex friend now that you've singled out her child. Don't think she'll have a hard time figuring out the guy that was there when her kid was born, 18 months before hers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/31/16 05:01 AM
WSYL is becoming as popular as Dicks TOC since they changed the cutoff date.

When will a true national championship be held in the northeast where its easily accessible to all the hotbeds?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 08/31/16 10:08 PM
No.I have voiced my opinion more then once to them. They shrug and say as long as we can get away with it. Why not everyone else in there town is doing it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/04/16 12:04 PM
So it begins
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/07/16 06:27 PM
Any news on what clubs are expected at qulifiers in North ? Or for that matter any region
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/08/16 03:41 AM
Who cares, rigged tournament anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/08/16 11:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares, rigged tournament anyway.


Yeah it's a joke who cares
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 11:18 AM
I saw Mark Dixon posted something saying that kids are too young for this type of tournament.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 01:02 PM
they been doing it in baseball for many years guess they got it wrong.....Thanks Marc Dickson
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 02:23 PM
Who cares, rigged tournament anyway. [/quote]

I don't understand why people would think this tournament is rigged. The cut-off date is what it is. There couldn't be a more fairer tournament out there. What makes it "rigged"?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 03:28 PM
It is "rigged" against cheating holdbacks who don't want to or can't play against on age kids. The WSYL tournament is not fair to holdbacks parents because their little Johnie isn't allowed to play against kids who are 1 or 2 years younger than him. Boo hoo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 03:45 PM
Except for last year . . .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is "rigged" against cheating holdbacks who don't want to or can't play against on age kids. The WSYL tournament is not fair to holdbacks parents because their little Johnie isn't allowed to play against kids who are 1 or 2 years younger than him. Boo hoo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 03:48 PM
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw Mark Dixon posted something saying that kids are too young for this type of tournament.



The best kids are already traveling around the country to find competition. Whether you call it World Championship or Young Guns championship, the kids are under the same pressure. Or does Mark Dixon think kids should stay home and just play the 1 or 2 teams in the area that may be some competition?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless.

It is not rigged. You and your club choose not participate for whatever reasons perhaps because it does not fit your holdback mentality. All players are age appropriate...playing against the same age players. Rigged means that the winner is prearranged or the tesults are tampered with which clearly is not true. That's what is great about this tnmt it doesn't hide behind grade, which so many of you crying foul are upset about because you can't game the system with your old for grade child.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless.



You mean rigged like every other tournament where guest players show ? Here you need a roster . No lying there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/23/16 06:03 PM
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless. [/quote]

Isn't it using the rules set forth by the governing body of the sport - just like little baseball, youth football, soccer and hockey? Is the little league world series rigged because it uses age based restrictions?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/24/16 12:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless.


Isn't it using the rules set forth by the governing body of the sport - just like little baseball, youth football, soccer and hockey? Is the little league world series rigged because it uses age based restrictions? [/quote]

No tournament uses the governing body (USL) rules. Most use NCAA and some use high school rules. Why have a tournament where 95% of them teams don't qualify?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/24/16 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless.


Isn't it using the rules set forth by the governing body of the sport - just like little baseball, youth football, soccer and hockey? Is the little league world series rigged because it uses age based restrictions?


No tournament uses the governing body (USL) rules. Most use NCAA and some use high school rules. Why have a tournament where 95% of them teams don't qualify? [/quote]

Because it levels the playing field...it's fair! It gives players the opportunity to show how good they are on a level playing field instead of all the BS of holdback, reclassed, pre first, post grad crap! You can put a team together; you choose not to. It's amazing how many don't want everyone to see how good young on age players are!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/24/16 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless.


Isn't it using the rules set forth by the governing body of the sport - just like little baseball, youth football, soccer and hockey? Is the little league world series rigged because it uses age based restrictions?


No tournament uses the governing body (USL) rules. Most use NCAA and some use high school rules. Why have a tournament where 95% of them teams don't qualify?


Because it levels the playing field...it's fair! It gives players the opportunity to show how good they are on a level playing field instead of all the BS of holdback, reclassed, pre first, post grad crap! You can put a team together; you choose not to. It's amazing how many don't want everyone to see how good young on age players are!! [/quote]

It is amazing, but that's the state of the game and a lot of teams that have put in years as a team don't want to kick 3 or 4 kids off the team for 1 tournament and have their chemistry all screwed up. That's why wsyl is a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/24/16 05:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless.


Isn't it using the rules set forth by the governing body of the sport - just like little baseball, youth football, soccer and hockey? Is the little league world series rigged because it uses age based restrictions?


No tournament uses the governing body (USL) rules. Most use NCAA and some use high school rules. Why have a tournament where 95% of them teams don't qualify?


Because it levels the playing field...it's fair! It gives players the opportunity to show how good they are on a level playing field instead of all the BS of holdback, reclassed, pre first, post grad crap! You can put a team together; you choose not to. It's amazing how many don't want everyone to see how good young on age players are!!


It is amazing, but that's the state of the game and a lot of teams that have put in years as a team don't want to kick 3 or 4 kids off the team for 1 tournament and have their chemistry all screwed up. That's why wsyl is a joke.[/quote]

Yes, it's a joke if you have to kick the hold backs off the team. We need to protect those kids, so they can continue to play younger competition. The last thing we need is a balanced playing field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/24/16 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless.


Isn't it using the rules set forth by the governing body of the sport - just like little baseball, youth football, soccer and hockey? Is the little league world series rigged because it uses age based restrictions?


No tournament uses the governing body (USL) rules. Most use NCAA and some use high school rules. Why have a tournament where 95% of them teams don't qualify?


Because it levels the playing field...it's fair! It gives players the opportunity to show how good they are on a level playing field instead of all the BS of holdback, reclassed, pre first, post grad crap! You can put a team together; you choose not to. It's amazing how many don't want everyone to see how good young on age players are!!


It is amazing, but that's the state of the game and a lot of teams that have put in years as a team don't want to kick 3 or 4 kids off the team for 1 tournament and have their chemistry all screwed up. That's why wsyl is a joke. [/quote]

That's exactly what's wrong with the state of the game...the mentality you just posted. WSYL gets to the heart of the game without all the smoke and mirrors. Little League Baseball World Series has tryouts for special World Series teams from your region. This is no different. You calling it a joke is like saying well everyone is doing drugs so we should just do drugs...totally wrong way of thinking about it!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/24/16 08:54 PM
People are saying that it is rigged because they keep changing the eligibility rule. First year 5/1 but must be in 7th grade. Second year 5/1 but grade doesn't matter. This year 9/1. People believe that the 5/1 cutoff in year one was established in order to allow all of the crush boys to eligible to play and they needed to get rid of the grade restriction in year two so that four crush boys could play again. Not sure how the 9/1 comes into play. WSYL probably decided that they should do it the right way. This may or may not be true but this is what a lot of people believe and why they say the tournament is rigged.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/24/16 09:35 PM
So they changed the dates so 4 non game changing Crush boys can play ??? Really . Or they rigged it the first year so Crush can play all their kids ? You must be one who thinks the Moon landing was fake also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/25/16 12:00 PM
My prediction is that one Crush boy will be playing again this year..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/25/16 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My prediction is that one Crush boy will be playing again this year..


Because he will be of age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/25/16 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My prediction is that one Crush boy will be playing again this year..


Because he will be of age.


Age cutoff 9/1/03 still in effect?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/25/16 09:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's rigged because it uses different rules than every other major club or event uses, so the title is meaningless.


Isn't it using the rules set forth by the governing body of the sport - just like little baseball, youth football, soccer and hockey? Is the little league world series rigged because it uses age based restrictions?


No tournament uses the governing body (USL) rules. Most use NCAA and some use high school rules. Why have a tournament where 95% of them teams don't qualify?


Because it levels the playing field...it's fair! It gives players the opportunity to show how good they are on a level playing field instead of all the BS of holdback, reclassed, pre first, post grad crap! You can put a team together; you choose not to. It's amazing how many don't want everyone to see how good young on age players are!!


It is amazing, but that's the state of the game and a lot of teams that have put in years as a team don't want to kick 3 or 4 kids off the team for 1 tournament and have their chemistry all screwed up. That's why wsyl is a joke.


That's exactly what's wrong with the state of the game...the mentality you just posted. WSYL gets to the heart of the game without all the smoke and mirrors. Little League Baseball World Series has tryouts for special World Series teams from your region. This is no different. You calling it a joke is like saying well everyone is doing drugs so we should just do drugs...totally wrong way of thinking about it!!! [/quote]

Only 5% of people are doing drugs so let's change all the rules to accommodate the 5% on drugs. Makes sense to me.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/26/16 12:58 PM
More like 45%-65% facts straight its a very sad world these days and most are people u would least expect like little susie homemaker
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/28/16 12:02 PM
Only in the bizarre world of youth lacrosse would someone complain because there is an age cutoff. Sorry Crabs, Looneys, FCA, etc. you can't bring your reclassed kids to the tournament. We saw what happened last year when the Crabs tried to field an on age team - they were embarrassed on national tv.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/28/16 12:48 PM
Nice that the North qualifier is on Long Island would imagine a bunch of teams will play just to be in a tournament in April .....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/29/16 02:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So they changed the dates so 4 non game changing Crush boys can play ??? Really . Or they rigged it the first year so Crush can play all their kids ? You must be one who thinks the Moon landing was fake also.


Landing never happened..All smoke and mirrors. Disney was in on it. Why you think he is gone! And Maryland teams have at most maybe 1 or 2 holdbacks in entire state. Keep it real!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/29/16 11:47 AM
With regard to the four boys that you say are not game changers - one is committed to OSU, one is going to Hopkins and one is the coaches son. If I have it wrong, please explain the reason for the 5/1 must be in 7th, then the 5/1 grade doesn't matter. I am pretty sure that the 5/1 grade doesn't matter allowed 3 of the 4 crush boys to be eligible. Now we are at 9/1.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/29/16 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
With regard to the four boys that you say are not game changers - one is committed to OSU, one is going to Hopkins and one is the coaches son. If I have it wrong, please explain the reason for the 5/1 must be in 7th, then the 5/1 grade doesn't matter. I am pretty sure that the 5/1 grade doesn't matter allowed 3 of the 4 crush boys to be eligible. Now we are at 9/1.


Clearly they were not game changers when you look at the results.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/29/16 04:22 PM
Great response. Any team would like to have those four players. You still haven't offered an explanation as to why the eligibility changes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/29/16 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great response. Any team would like to have those four players. You still haven't offered an explanation as to why the eligibility changes.



Why? They didn't do much. Luckily they didn't make to the championship to get embarrassed on national TV, the Crabs would have got a kick out of that!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/29/16 05:08 PM
Really . So you think because they are going to big time schools means they are tops ? How about their coach has a long reach with recruiting ? Not taking anything from them but you put them on fl$ for say , will have committed that early to those schools , even at all ?? It's called knowing the right people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 09/29/16 06:02 PM
So my original point was that 91 has had an influence on the eligibility rules. I have no interest in debating the abilities of the boys who are committed to play at DI schools. I do find it comical that there are people who think that boys get committed because a club coach say that they are good. I am pretty sure that the coaches watch the boys play and then make their own decision.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/01/16 07:44 PM
The MLL and Warrior should focus on getting their awesome pro teams on tv and not these patched together teams of random kids.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/01/16 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The MLL and Warrior should focus on getting their awesome pro teams on tv and not these patched together teams of random kids.

They have a national contract with CBS Sports Network and the regional sports affiliates also carry games locally
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/01/16 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The MLL and Warrior should focus on getting their awesome pro teams on tv and not these patched together teams of random kids.

They have a national contract with CBS Sports Network and the regional sports affiliates also carry games locally


The games never show up when I search on Fios.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/04/16 01:45 PM
Going to be a great experience for teams that make it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/06/16 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Going to be a great experience for teams that make it


Which is every team that pays to go. Denver is a great city. Wsyl is not a great tournament. Stay on Long Island if you want to see better tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/06/16 01:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Going to be a great experience for teams that make it


Which is every team that pays to go. Denver is a great city. Wsyl is not a great tournament. Stay on Long Island if you want to see better tournaments.


It's about the overall experience, not just the tournament alone. Glad my son had the experience. He was treated like a rockstar. He gets to play in competitive tournaments every weekend in June and July- none match this experience. It's not just about the competition- - it's so much more- it embodies the spirit of youth lacrosse from across the country. If you aren't into it- don't go- but don't be so negative unless you experienced it first hand.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/06/16 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Going to be a great experience for teams that make it


Which is every team that pays to go. Denver is a great city. Wsyl is not a great tournament. Stay on Long Island if you want to see better tournaments.


It's about the overall experience, not just the tournament alone. Glad my son had the experience. He was treated like a rockstar. He gets to play in competitive tournaments every weekend in June and July- none match this experience. It's not just about the competition- - it's so much more- it embodies the spirit of youth lacrosse from across the country. If you aren't into it- don't go- but don't be so negative unless you experienced it first hand.


Cool - it sounds like a MLB fantasy camp that old guys go to, but for kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/16/16 12:57 AM
Igloo is coming for the SUPER TEAM
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/16/16 01:24 AM
This has to be the Penguin.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/16/16 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This has to be the Penguin.


Nope its the Joker
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/16/16 09:54 PM
QUACK






Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo is coming for the SUPER TEAM
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/21/16 11:19 AM
ITS COMING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/21/16 01:42 PM
Heard they are planning on changing to 9/1/03 and 2022 graduation year . If this is true this WSYL is a disgrace.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/21/16 02:40 PM
I just spoke with the office and they stated that they rules are based on U13 format. The only age requirement is born on or after 9/1/2003.

Didn't ask about next year but for this year that is the rule. Most teams have already been created and committed, so to change it now would not be a smart move IMHO.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/31/16 01:33 PM
I saw e-mails sent looking for teams. I wonder if they are getting desperate that people don't see the value in this event.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 10/31/16 03:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Going to be a great experience for teams that make it


Which is every team that pays to go. Denver is a great city. Wsyl is not a great tournament. Stay on Long Island if you want to see better tournaments.


It's about the overall experience, not just the tournament alone. Glad my son had the experience. He was treated like a rockstar. He gets to play in competitive tournaments every weekend in June and July- none match this experience. It's not just about the competition- - it's so much more- it embodies the spirit of youth lacrosse from across the country. If you aren't into it- don't go- but don't be so negative unless you experienced it first hand.

It's about the overall experience, it embodies the spirit of youth lacrosse peace love and happiness blah blah blah. God damn hippies ruin everything!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 01:28 PM
Everyone needs to stop saying it is a crappy tournament. It is age based. The winner is the BEST team at this age. I'm not sure why it's ok to have a little league world series (or hockey, soccer) based on age but not ok for lacrosse. Just because the MD, PA and MA folks choose to not enter teams because they know they can't win doesn't make the tournament not worth it. My nephew played in it and said it was the greatest experience of his lacrosse life. Like someone else said, they are treated like rock stars. The kids absolutely love it - win or lose. It is a once in a lifetime experience. It doesn't get any fairer than this tournament: kids playing each other that are the same age - doesn't matter if you were held back, started school late, or what grade you are in. The playing field is level - everyone is the SAME AGE. For you MD, PA and MA teams - get some balls and play. You're like 3 year olds: we can't win so we won't play, and then you bash the tournament? WEAK
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 01:38 PM
Great post! Spot on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone needs to stop saying it is a crappy tournament. It is age based. The winner is the BEST team at this age. I'm not sure why it's ok to have a little league world series (or hockey, soccer) based on age but not ok for lacrosse. Just because the MD, PA and MA folks choose to not enter teams because they know they can't win doesn't make the tournament not worth it. My nephew played in it and said it was the greatest experience of his lacrosse life. Like someone else said, they are treated like rock stars. The kids absolutely love it - win or lose. It is a once in a lifetime experience. It doesn't get any fairer than this tournament: kids playing each other that are the same age - doesn't matter if you were held back, started school late, or what grade you are in. The playing field is level - everyone is the SAME AGE. For you MD, PA and MA teams - get some balls and play. You're like 3 year olds: we can't win so we won't play, and then you bash the tournament? WEAK


You are funny! The "team" that won last year is not even a real team, they are middle of the road when the play their correct grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone needs to stop saying it is a crappy tournament. It is age based. The winner is the BEST team at this age. I'm not sure why it's ok to have a little league world series (or hockey, soccer) based on age but not ok for lacrosse. Just because the MD, PA and MA folks choose to not enter teams because they know they can't win doesn't make the tournament not worth it. My nephew played in it and said it was the greatest experience of his lacrosse life. Like someone else said, they are treated like rock stars. The kids absolutely love it - win or lose. It is a once in a lifetime experience. It doesn't get any fairer than this tournament: kids playing each other that are the same age - doesn't matter if you were held back, started school late, or what grade you are in. The playing field is level - everyone is the SAME AGE. For you MD, PA and MA teams - get some balls and play. You're like 3 year olds: we can't win so we won't play, and then you bash the tournament? WEAK


You are funny! The "team" that won last year is not even a real team, they are middle of the road when the play their correct grade.



Sour grapes bud...it is age based and they WON the AGE-based tnmt because they were the best on-AGE team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 02:27 PM
Playing against the correct age is the more accurate measure, not the "correct" grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 03:34 PM
You are funny! The "team" that won last year is not even a real team, they are middle of the road when the play their correct grade. [/quote]

What are you talking about? Last year the best "team" was the team that won. They played against kids their own age. No holdbacks, no pre-k kids - a level playing field. Stop making excuses. Again, the tournament can't be more fair. All participants are equal. You are very WEAK
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are funny! The "team" that won last year is not even a real team, they are middle of the road when the play their correct grade.


What are you talking about? Last year the best "team" was the team that won. They played against kids their own age. No holdbacks, no pre-k kids - a level playing field. Stop making excuses. Again, the tournament can't be more fair. All participants are equal. You are very WEAK [/quote]

A real team is one that played all spring together in a league and a couple summer tourneys. Not one thrown together for some money grabbing B level tourney.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are funny! The "team" that won last year is not even a real team, they are middle of the road when the play their correct grade.


What are you talking about? Last year the best "team" was the team that won. They played against kids their own age. No holdbacks, no pre-k kids - a level playing field. Stop making excuses. Again, the tournament can't be more fair. All participants are equal. You are very WEAK


A real team is one that played all spring together in a league and a couple summer tourneys. Not one thrown together for some money grabbing B level tourney. [/quote]



They did play together in the spring...in two tnmts...and won both. They also practiced together all spring. You certainly seem to have a grudge against this tournament and team insulting it/them every chance you get. Same age players and this team won fair and square because they were better. Get over it and stop bashing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are funny! The "team" that won last year is not even a real team, they are middle of the road when the play their correct grade.


What are you talking about? Last year the best "team" was the team that won. They played against kids their own age. No holdbacks, no pre-k kids - a level playing field. Stop making excuses. Again, the tournament can't be more fair. All participants are equal. You are very WEAK


A real team is one that played all spring together in a league and a couple summer tourneys. Not one thrown together for some money grabbing B level tourney.




They did play together in the spring...in two tnmts...and won both. They also practiced together all spring. You certainly seem to have a grudge against this tournament and team insulting it/them every chance you get. Same age players and this team won fair and square because they were better. Get over it and stop bashing. [/quote]

The past two years, the age/grade issues with this tournament were not great. The last minute rule changes made an uneven playing field because of the DOB push to an earlier date. Last year was not equal competition.

But it is fixed and moving forward, the rules are best for age appropriate competition. It was a great tournament and wish my son could return.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 07:26 PM
The tournament lost alll credibility last year when they pulled the musical birthdate debacle. Down right embarrassment done to get certain kids to make age cut off. True teams had no chance playing against teams full of kids just squeaking by age cutoff. Might be better now, but left a bad impression on the brand. But then again there is not much ethics in youth lacrosse in general.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The tournament lost alll credibility last year when they pulled the musical birthdate debacle. Down right embarrassment done to get certain kids to make age cut off. True teams had no chance playing against teams full of kids just squeaking by age cutoff. Might be better now, but left a bad impression on the brand. But then again there is not much ethics in youth lacrosse in general.



Fact of the matter is all players had the opportunity to play if they made the age cutoff. ..all...that means even yours. Sounds like yours didn't make the cutoff and now you are hating on those who did and succeeded. Why was the winning team able to adjust to the rules and not everyone else? Well that's just it, everyone else had the opportunity and either added players to their team, which many did, or they didn't. You can't cry foul. Those were the rules and the players played by them. They were the best in tnmt. Case closed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The tournament lost alll credibility last year when they pulled the musical birthdate debacle. Down right embarrassment done to get certain kids to make age cut off. True teams had no chance playing against teams full of kids just squeaking by age cutoff. Might be better now, but left a bad impression on the brand. But then again there is not much ethics in youth lacrosse in general.



Fact of the matter is all players had the opportunity to play if they made the age cutoff. ..all...that means even yours. Sounds like yours didn't make the cutoff and now you are hating on those who did and succeeded. Why was the winning team able to adjust to the rules and not everyone else? Well that's just it, everyone else had the opportunity and either added players to their team, which many did, or they didn't. You can't cry foul. Those were the rules and the players played by them. They were the best in tnmt. Case closed.


Rules were manipulated, everyone knows it. A joke! Teams were created choosing mostly older players close to a unrealistic cutoff. Those same kids are not anything special when they play on their real team. Sad for the kids who missed out. It is supposed to be a team event, not an all star event. FOUL!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The tournament lost alll credibility last year when they pulled the musical birthdate debacle. Down right embarrassment done to get certain kids to make age cut off. True teams had no chance playing against teams full of kids just squeaking by age cutoff. Might be better now, but left a bad impression on the brand. But then again there is not much ethics in youth lacrosse in general.



Fact of the matter is all players had the opportunity to play if they made the age cutoff. ..all...that means even yours. Sounds like yours didn't make the cutoff and now you are hating on those who did and succeeded. Why was the winning team able to adjust to the rules and not everyone else? Well that's just it, everyone else had the opportunity and either added players to their team, which many did, or they didn't. You can't cry foul. Those were the rules and the players played by them. They were the best in tnmt. Case closed.


Rules were manipulated, everyone knows it. A joke! Teams were created choosing mostly older players close to a unrealistic cutoff. Those same kids are not anything special when they play on their real team. Sad for the kids who missed out. It is supposed to be a team event, not an all star event. FOUL!!



Says you! Oh it's rigged? Ok Trump...until the rules favor you then it's not rigged?? Who missed out?? The holdbacks?? If you met the age cutoff you could play in the age-based tournament. If you didn't, so sorry for your little Johnny.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 09:36 PM
All the changes in the first 2 years were not good and odd, but now they have it straight and are going with the birthdate date cutoff that USL uses. Makes a lot of sense now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/01/16 10:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the changes in the first 2 years were not good and odd, but now they have it straight and are going with the birthdate date cutoff that USL uses. Makes a lot of sense now.


Makes a lot of sense? Let's use an age cutoff that no team in the country uses and hold it in an area of the country where on only 1 B level team can convienintly attend. Then lots of other B teams can fly in along with 2 A teams who have more dollars than sense and play. What a great tournament!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the changes in the first 2 years were not good and odd, but now they have it straight and are going with the birthdate date cutoff that USL uses. Makes a lot of sense now.


Makes a lot of sense? Let's use an age cutoff that no team in the country uses and hold it in an area of the country where on only 1 B level team can convienintly attend. Then lots of other B teams can fly in along with 2 A teams who have more dollars than sense and play. What a great tournament!


Think about what you wrote- only B teams can attend. Are they possibly B teams because they are younger than the kids playing on the A teams?

Look no one is forcing you to go. Don't want to go- so be it- but the experience is one that your kid won't have anywhere else. Like a previous poster stated- like a fantasy camp for older guys. The kids had a blast, and in no other tourney will get radio interviews, tv exposure and treated like a pro. You don't think it's for you and yours- so be it. There will be others that will enjoy the experience without you. Worth every penny to see my kid smile that whole time!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 02:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the changes in the first 2 years were not good and odd, but now they have it straight and are going with the birthdate date cutoff that USL uses. Makes a lot of sense now.
Hopefully they keep it in line with USL age guidelines. I dont have much faith tho as many top clubs now are grade base and have older kids,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 02:40 AM
Silly event, weak competition, $$$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the changes in the first 2 years were not good and odd, but now they have it straight and are going with the birthdate date cutoff that USL uses. Makes a lot of sense now.


Makes a lot of sense? Let's use an age cutoff that no team in the country uses and hold it in an area of the country where on only 1 B level team can convienintly attend. Then lots of other B teams can fly in along with 2 A teams who have more dollars than sense and play. What a great tournament!


Think about what you wrote- only B teams can attend. Are they possibly B teams because they are younger than the kids playing on the A teams?

Look no one is forcing you to go. Don't want to go- so be it- but the experience is one that your kid won't have anywhere else. Like a previous poster stated- like a fantasy camp for older guys. The kids had a blast, and in no other tourney will get radio interviews, tv exposure and treated like a pro. You don't think it's for you and yours- so be it. There will be others that will enjoy the experience without you. Worth every penny to see my kid smile that whole time!


It's B teams because real A teams won't kick 3 dedicated kids off their team for a tournament because of some arbitrary rule and pay too much for weak competition.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 11:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the changes in the first 2 years were not good and odd, but now they have it straight and are going with the birthdate date cutoff that USL uses. Makes a lot of sense now.


Makes a lot of sense? Let's use an age cutoff that no team in the country uses and hold it in an area of the country where on only 1 B level team can convienintly attend. Then lots of other B teams can fly in along with 2 A teams who have more dollars than sense and play. What a great tournament!


Think about what you wrote- only B teams can attend. Are they possibly B teams because they are younger than the kids playing on the A teams?

Look no one is forcing you to go. Don't want to go- so be it- but the experience is one that your kid won't have anywhere else. Like a previous poster stated- like a fantasy camp for older guys. The kids had a blast, and in no other tourney will get radio interviews, tv exposure and treated like a pro. You don't think it's for you and yours- so be it. There will be others that will enjoy the experience without you. Worth every penny to see my kid smile that whole time!


It's B teams because real A teams won't kick 3 dedicated kids off their team for a tournament because of some arbitrary rule and pay too much for weak competition.



So now the US Lacrosse age limits are an "arbitrary rule". That is just crazy. This will be the only tourney without holdbacks and you dismiss that fact.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 12:05 PM
Are you saying B teams bc they don't have three hold backs? Loser
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All the changes in the first 2 years were not good and odd, but now they have it straight and are going with the birthdate date cutoff that USL uses. Makes a lot of sense now.


Makes a lot of sense? Let's use an age cutoff that no team in the country uses and hold it in an area of the country where on only 1 B level team can convienintly attend. Then lots of other B teams can fly in along with 2 A teams who have more dollars than sense and play. What a great tournament!


Think about what you wrote- only B teams can attend. Are they possibly B teams because they are younger than the kids playing on the A teams?

Look no one is forcing you to go. Don't want to go- so be it- but the experience is one that your kid won't have anywhere else. Like a previous poster stated- like a fantasy camp for older guys. The kids had a blast, and in no other tourney will get radio interviews, tv exposure and treated like a pro. You don't think it's for you and yours- so be it. There will be others that will enjoy the experience without you. Worth every penny to see my kid smile that whole time!


It's B teams because real A teams won't kick 3 dedicated kids off their team for a tournament because of some arbitrary rule and pay too much for weak competition.



So now the US Lacrosse age limits are an "arbitrary rule". That is just crazy. This will be the only tourney without holdbacks and you dismiss that fact.


It's arbitrary because it changes year to year and does not follow what the majority of the teams use.

Also USL is a joke. They recommend combining 2 grade years in 1 team as the general rule. How is that any better?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you saying B teams bc they don't have three hold backs? Loser


No they are B teams because they lose to the 2 A teams that make the finals by 10 goals. Look at the scores from last year.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 02:42 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out why the MD, PA and MA teams can't put an aged based team together for this tournament. Can someone please explain why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/02/16 07:01 PM
HOLDBACKS !!!that's why.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't for the life of me figure out why the MD, PA and MA teams can't put an aged based team together for this tournament. Can someone please explain why?


The prep schools have many many kids heldback, Grade base teams allowed these prefisrt/reclass children to play down as defined by USL age guidelines/ The teams in these three states have many of these players playing down.The best teams in these states are loaded with these holdback/prefirst players. These top teams would not be that good without these heldback players and for sure are not giving them up. It is a very simple why.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 11:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't for the life of me figure out why the MD, PA and MA teams can't put an aged based team together for this tournament. Can someone please explain why?


The prep schools have many many kids heldback, Grade base teams allowed these prefisrt/reclass children to play down as defined by USL age guidelines/ The teams in these three states have many of these players playing down.The best teams in these states are loaded with these holdback/prefirst players. These top teams would not be that good without these heldback players and for sure are not giving them up. It is a very simple why.

We are a top 5 MD team and have 3 or 4 players born between July 2003 and the Sept. cutoff which matches the cutoff for our schools. I suppose these kids are holdbacks, but the team decided not to go without them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 12:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't for the life of me figure out why the MD, PA and MA teams can't put an aged based team together for this tournament. Can someone please explain why?


The prep schools have many many kids heldback, Grade base teams allowed these prefisrt/reclass children to play down as defined by USL age guidelines/ The teams in these three states have many of these players playing down.The best teams in these states are loaded with these holdback/prefirst players. These top teams would not be that good without these heldback players and for sure are not giving them up. It is a very simple why.


This is a gross exaggeration. It seems you guys up north have this idea that there are these hordes of kids in pre-first. Pre-first classes exist in only a handful of schools that have boys: BL, SP, McD, Gilman and are around 8-10 kids. McD and SP have girls in the pre-first classes, too. Are all these kids going on to play lacrosse and dominate these clubs? No! Your argument is ridiculous and impossible. Are there a couple on each team? Yes. Do a handful of boys choose to reclass at 9th grade? Yes. Do 99% of us wish this were not allowed? Yes! But this is not a big issue at 7th grade.

Any MD teams opting not to go for WSYL are doing so because they don't want to leave behind the 1-2 kids who don't make the age requirement. Or because they don't see the value if flying to Denver to play a tournament when you're in 7th grade. Think about it. It's cost prohibitive for most people and there is great competition within driving distance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't for the life of me figure out why the MD, PA and MA teams can't put an aged based team together for this tournament. Can someone please explain why?


The prep schools have many many kids heldback, Grade base teams allowed these prefisrt/reclass children to play down as defined by USL age guidelines/ The teams in these three states have many of these players playing down.The best teams in these states are loaded with these holdback/prefirst players. These top teams would not be that good without these heldback players and for sure are not giving them up. It is a very simple why.


This is a gross exaggeration. It seems you guys up north have this idea that there are these hordes of kids in pre-first. Pre-first classes exist in only a handful of schools that have boys: BL, SP, McD, Gilman and are around 8-10 kids. McD and SP have girls in the pre-first classes, too. Are all these kids going on to play lacrosse and dominate these clubs? No! Your argument is ridiculous and impossible. Are there a couple on each team? Yes. Do a handful of boys choose to reclass at 9th grade? Yes. Do 99% of us wish this were not allowed? Yes! But this is not a big issue at 7th grade.

Any MD teams opting not to go for WSYL are doing so because they don't want to leave behind the 1-2 kids who don't make the age requirement. Or because they don't see the value if flying to Denver to play a tournament when you're in 7th grade. Think about it. It's cost prohibitive for most people and there is great competition within driving distance.


If the 1 - 2 kids that can't play also happen to be the best players on the team, it might be another reason not to go without them!!

Having attended tourneys down in MD and DE and watched every MD and PA team we played (EG, Looneys) line up last year for the starting faceoffs with 6+ boys over 6' on the field for a 2021 team (7th graders at the time!), I question the whole 1 - 2 holdback players per team as the norm!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 02:06 PM
I'm guessing closer to 4-5 holdbacks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 02:33 PM
The sooner youth lacrosse goes to calendar year teams, the better it will be for everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't for the life of me figure out why the MD, PA and MA teams can't put an aged based team together for this tournament. Can someone please explain why?


The prep schools have many many kids heldback, Grade base teams allowed these prefisrt/reclass children to play down as defined by USL age guidelines/ The teams in these three states have many of these players playing down.The best teams in these states are loaded with these holdback/prefirst players. These top teams would not be that good without these heldback players and for sure are not giving them up. It is a very simple why.


This is a gross exaggeration. It seems you guys up north have this idea that there are these hordes of kids in pre-first. Pre-first classes exist in only a handful of schools that have boys: BL, SP, McD, Gilman and are around 8-10 kids. McD and SP have girls in the pre-first classes, too. Are all these kids going on to play lacrosse and dominate these clubs? No! Your argument is ridiculous and impossible. Are there a couple on each team? Yes. Do a handful of boys choose to reclass at 9th grade? Yes. Do 99% of us wish this were not allowed? Yes! But this is not a big issue at 7th grade.

Any MD teams opting not to go for WSYL are doing so because they don't want to leave behind the 1-2 kids who don't make the age requirement. Or because they don't see the value if flying to Denver to play a tournament when you're in 7th grade. Think about it. It's cost prohibitive for most people and there is great competition within driving distance.


If the 1 - 2 kids that can't play also happen to be the best players on the team, it might be another reason not to go without them!!

Having attended tourneys down in MD and DE and watched every MD and PA team we played (EG, Looneys) line up last year for the starting faceoffs with 6+ boys over 6' on the field for a 2021 team (7th graders at the time!), I question the whole 1 - 2 holdback players per team as the norm!


Looneys 2021 6 footers? I'm sure they had their handful of summer 02 birthdays, but not an exceptionally big team. I don't recall any 6 footers. Their 2020 teams both had around that many 6 foot plus kids. You either saw one of those teams or making stuff up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 02:46 PM
Never going to make everyone happy. Contrary to what some people seem to think on here, this is supposed to be fun for the KIDS . So that means they should be playing wiith their friends which in all likelihood are kids in their grade. No mater how you slice it you will have kids that benefit from the age cutoff and others that will be younger and hurt by it (in theory )Just keep it consistent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 02:48 PM
Every other sport does it & it is working out great -- why not youth lacrosse??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 02:59 PM
I disagree. I really don't care at all about holdback/reclassed kids. My kid is NOT a holdback, but I'd rather have him play against the kids that he will play against in middle school and high school. Does a 19 yr old HS senior get booted off of the team? No. What about a 13 year old 7th grader or 14 year 8th grader? No and no. It's not about silly youth tournaments. It's about preparing them for JV, Varsity and possibly beyond.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't for the life of me figure out why the MD, PA and MA teams can't put an aged based team together for this tournament. Can someone please explain why?


The prep schools have many many kids heldback, Grade base teams allowed these prefisrt/reclass children to play down as defined by USL age guidelines/ The teams in these three states have many of these players playing down.The best teams in these states are loaded with these holdback/prefirst players. These top teams would not be that good without these heldback players and for sure are not giving them up. It is a very simple why.


This is a gross exaggeration. It seems you guys up north have this idea that there are these hordes of kids in pre-first. Pre-first classes exist in only a handful of schools that have boys: BL, SP, McD, Gilman and are around 8-10 kids. McD and SP have girls in the pre-first classes, too. Are all these kids going on to play lacrosse and dominate these clubs? No! Your argument is ridiculous and impossible. Are there a couple on each team? Yes. Do a handful of boys choose to reclass at 9th grade? Yes. Do 99% of us wish this were not allowed? Yes! But this is not a big issue at 7th grade.

Any MD teams opting not to go for WSYL are doing so because they don't want to leave behind the 1-2 kids who don't make the age requirement. Or because they don't see the value if flying to Denver to play a tournament when you're in 7th grade. Think about it. It's cost prohibitive for most people and there is great competition within driving distance.


If the 1 - 2 kids that can't play also happen to be the best players on the team, it might be another reason not to go without them!!

Having attended tourneys down in MD and DE and watched every MD and PA team we played (EG, Looneys) line up last year for the starting faceoffs with 6+ boys over 6' on the field for a 2021 team (7th graders at the time!), I question the whole 1 - 2 holdback players per team as the norm!


Looneys 2021 6 footers? I'm sure they had their handful of summer 02 birthdays, but not an exceptionally big team. I don't recall any 6 footers. Their 2020 teams both had around that many 6 foot plus kids. You either saw one of those teams or making stuff up


My 2021 son on his 2021 team was playing the Looneys - the boys I am talking about were taller than most of the refs and their own coaches! Parents of other games walking by asked what age group was playing, and laughed at how ridiculous it was when they heard it was 2021 based upon the boys on the field. It was so obvious that it was downright pathetic!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I disagree. I really don't care at all about holdback/reclassed kids. My kid is NOT a holdback, but I'd rather have him play against the kids that he will play against in middle school and high school. Does a 19 yr old HS senior get booted off of the team? No. What about a 13 year old 7th grader or 14 year 8th grader? No and no. It's not about silly youth tournaments. It's about preparing them for JV, Varsity and possibly beyond.


Your missing the point. In High School everyone is fair game no matter what age. But in 8th grade and down, the difference a year (or 2 in Md, PA & MA cases) makes can be dramatic. If it is age based - it is fair for everyone. If it is grade based - it is not fair for everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't for the life of me figure out why the MD, PA and MA teams can't put an aged based team together for this tournament. Can someone please explain why?


The prep schools have many many kids heldback, Grade base teams allowed these prefisrt/reclass children to play down as defined by USL age guidelines/ The teams in these three states have many of these players playing down.The best teams in these states are loaded with these holdback/prefirst players. These top teams would not be that good without these heldback players and for sure are not giving them up. It is a very simple why.


This is a gross exaggeration. It seems you guys up north have this idea that there are these hordes of kids in pre-first. Pre-first classes exist in only a handful of schools that have boys: BL, SP, McD, Gilman and are around 8-10 kids. McD and SP have girls in the pre-first classes, too. Are all these kids going on to play lacrosse and dominate these clubs? No! Your argument is ridiculous and impossible. Are there a couple on each team? Yes. Do a handful of boys choose to reclass at 9th grade? Yes. Do 99% of us wish this were not allowed? Yes! But this is not a big issue at 7th grade.

Any MD teams opting not to go for WSYL are doing so because they don't want to leave behind the 1-2 kids who don't make the age requirement. Or because they don't see the value if flying to Denver to play a tournament when you're in 7th grade. Think about it. It's cost prohibitive for most people and there is great competition within driving distance.


If the 1 - 2 kids that can't play also happen to be the best players on the team, it might be another reason not to go without them!!

Having attended tourneys down in MD and DE and watched every MD and PA team we played (EG, Looneys) line up last year for the starting faceoffs with 6+ boys over 6' on the field for a 2021 team (7th graders at the time!), I question the whole 1 - 2 holdback players per team as the norm!


Looneys 2021 6 footers? I'm sure they had their handful of summer 02 birthdays, but not an exceptionally big team. I don't recall any 6 footers. Their 2020 teams both had around that many 6 foot plus kids. You either saw one of those teams or making stuff up


My 2021 son on his 2021 team was playing the Looneys - the boys I am talking about were taller than most of the refs and their own coaches! Parents of other games walking by asked what age group was playing, and laughed at how ridiculous it was when they heard it was 2021 based upon the boys on the field. It was so obvious that it was downright pathetic!


Sorry. That team was average to below average in size for 2021 last summer. Can't speak to whether they added bigger kids this year but you are either confusing another team or making stuff up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 08:15 PM
Sure - because as a parent from LI, I would have reason to make stuff up about that team! Only played three games that day, and no one else we played wore unis that had orange, so no!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I disagree. I really don't care at all about holdback/reclassed kids. My kid is NOT a holdback, but I'd rather have him play against the kids that he will play against in middle school and high school. Does a 19 yr old HS senior get booted off of the team? No. What about a 13 year old 7th grader or 14 year 8th grader? No and no. It's not about silly youth tournaments. It's about preparing them for JV, Varsity and possibly beyond.


Under an aged based system, you would be permitted to have your son play up if you wished him to play against older boys who you believe will be his opponents on JV and Varsity. It would be your choice. But if you were like the majority of parents, and thought it best that he play against kids his same age only, than you would be able to ensure that that happens. As it is now, parents have no choice. Their kids are forced to play against older kids whether they like it or not. And what makes it worse is there is a randomness to it. You never know the amount of older kids the opposition has until you get to the field.

And as someone else has said, age difference is diminished greatly once puberty starts to kick in. In most sports, including lacrosse, a freshman can play well against seniors. But a 9 year old against 12 year olds - good luck. Once the kids are 15 or so, age differences become far less determinative. But 14 or below, more or less, older kids have a huge innate advantage. Such advantage should not be forced on a kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/03/16 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sure - because as a parent from LI, I would have reason to make stuff up about that team! Only played three games that day, and no one else we played wore unis that had orange, so no!


Please don't make assumptions about how old kids are because of their size! It's not fair to the kids, the parents, or the teams. Most kids who reclass/holdback to so because they are small. Think about it! My son has a kid in his grade who is 12 and 5'11". He doesn't play lacrosse. But there are kids that grow early or are just big. If you really question the age, just ask. Ask the coach, ask a parent. Believe me, they will both be glad to clear the name of their team. Assuming the worst makes you bitter and the other team's reputation is damaged. Just stop, please.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/04/16 02:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sure - because as a parent from LI, I would have reason to make stuff up about that team! Only played three games that day, and no one else we played wore unis that had orange, so no!


Can't speak to your motivations but you are calling out a specific team of which I am familiar. So I am calling you out for being wrong. What tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/04/16 01:47 PM
Blue Hen
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/04/16 02:31 PM
. . . and to be fair, the team that won the 2021 bracket, Rising Sons, was'worse' size-wise than Looney's. Their G was so tall, his helmet reached above the cross bar! Not sure about Furious, but neither Rock nor iM3 were anywhere near as big as Looney's or Rising Sons. And let's be clear: height and size are one possible indicator of age, and that can be observed from afar, but when you also see them up close and notice they are well on their way to shaving every day, it is not just size that I am going on. That is also why the parents I noted above laughed at the idea that these were on-age 2021s - they could see these other things as well, especially when you watch from right on the sidelines.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/14/16 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I disagree. I really don't care at all about holdback/reclassed kids. My kid is NOT a holdback, but I'd rather have him play against the kids that he will play against in middle school and high school. Does a 19 yr old HS senior get booted off of the team? No. What about a 13 year old 7th grader or 14 year 8th grader? No and no. It's not about silly youth tournaments. It's about preparing them for JV, Varsity and possibly beyond.

ah yes if you are a Sr in HS there is an age requirement that has to be met.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/15/16 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I disagree. I really don't care at all about holdback/reclassed kids. My kid is NOT a holdback, but I'd rather have him play against the kids that he will play against in middle school and high school. Does a 19 yr old HS senior get booted off of the team? No. What about a 13 year old 7th grader or 14 year 8th grader? No and no. It's not about silly youth tournaments. It's about preparing them for JV, Varsity and possibly beyond.


Under an aged based system, you would be permitted to have your son play up if you wished him to play against older boys who you believe will be his opponents on JV and Varsity. It would be your choice. But if you were like the majority of parents, and thought it best that he play against kids his same age only, than you would be able to ensure that that happens. As it is now, parents have no choice. Their kids are forced to play against older kids whether they like it or not. And what makes it worse is there is a randomness to it. You never know the amount of older kids the opposition has until you get to the field.

And as someone else has said, age difference is diminished greatly once puberty starts to kick in. In most sports, including lacrosse, a freshman can play well against seniors. But a 9 year old against 12 year olds - good luck. Once the kids are 15 or so, age differences become far less determinative. But 14 or below, more or less, older kids have a huge innate advantage. Such advantage should not be forced on a kid.


This is a great quote!!!Most of the parents on the sidelines would feel better about the the other teams,parents and most important the integrity of the game our kids have come to enjoy if we know that it was a fair age based game. Please pass this along.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/15/16 06:01 PM
No one cares. The horse is way past dead. Please find something else to complain about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/15/16 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No one cares. The horse is way past dead. Please find something else to complain about.


Says someone who is part of the problem . . .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/16/16 04:04 PM
I am assuming after what Igloo has done in the fall they have to be the favorite?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/16/16 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am assuming after what Igloo has done in the fall they have to be the favorite?


And this is relevant how? What are you talking about? Stop stirring the pot and put the spoon down
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/16/16 07:20 PM
What pot would that be
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am assuming after what Igloo has done in the fall they have to be the favorite?


And this is relevant how? What are you talking about? Stop stirring the pot and put the spoon down
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/16/16 08:02 PM
Penguin
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/16/16 10:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Penguin


Not the penguin. Seriously get a life
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/17/16 06:51 AM
Everyone knows the real champions will be crowned at NLF, Young Guns, or Millon Championship. Wsyl is a farce.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/17/16 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Penguin


Not the penguin. Seriously get a life


Riddler?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 11/17/16 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Penguin


Not the penguin. Seriously get a life


Riddler?


The sky is red my blood is blue.... I'm going to stomp you with my orange shoe.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/06/16 01:43 AM
What teams are planning on going to the qualifying events?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/06/16 03:56 AM
Igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/06/16 02:26 PM
Oranges for sure
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/06/16 07:06 PM
Are the age requirements set in stone, or in a month or two will they realize 3/4 of the 2022 team's that should be playing won't?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/06/16 08:49 PM
CONCRETE
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/06/16 10:36 PM
No in fact the teams that should be playing will be playing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/06/16 11:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CONCRETE


Didn't they say that before and than change the date?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/07/16 01:56 PM
9/1 cutoff date is how it should be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/08/16 07:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1 cutoff date is how it should be.


They should make that 9/1 the cut-off for all age groups!!!. Acrose the board. And enforce it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/08/16 07:38 PM
They are trying to do just that: http://www.uslacrosse.org/players/player-segmentation
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/08/16 07:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1 cutoff date is how it should be.


They should make that 9/1 the cut-off for all age groups!!!. Acrose the board. And enforce it!


why not 12/1? It is a big difference a 9/1 start vs all the kids born the following year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/08/16 08:32 PM
9/1 probably better correlates with school age cut offs (key!) and it is the date which signifies the start of the new lacrosse season from USL's POV.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/08/16 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9/1 probably better correlates with school age cut offs (key!) and it is the date which signifies the start of the new lacrosse season from USL's POV.


19 states use 9/1 date for school. The rest of the states are all over the board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/08/16 08:56 PM
Never happen too much $ in the club teams that have kids born before 9/1. In the long run does it really matter, once they get to high school they could end up playing kids that are 3-4 years older. And my kid has a Nov birthday so making the cut off 9/1 would be a great thing for him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/09/16 12:55 AM
WSYL winner is as irrelevant as the USL champion. No competitive teams follow those age restrictions.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/09/16 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL winner is as irrelevant as the USL champion. No competitive teams follow those age restrictions.


That's the point.....They should.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/10/16 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL winner is as irrelevant as the USL champion. No competitive teams follow those age restrictions.


That's the point.....They should.


Yes..but to much money to be made by clubs and bragging rights to not have these kids that have been held back in school playing against younger kids in youth lacrosse. It is soo competitive and fair watching select kids play down at 12 years old. Ask any club owner..It is the right thing to do!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/11/16 01:00 PM
9d1 goalie is not from Long Island???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/11/16 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9d1 goalie is not from Long Island???


He is from LI. And in NY, school cutoff is 12/1.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/11/16 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9d1 goalie is not from Long Island???


He is from LI. And in NY, school cutoff is 12/1.


Dukes National had a goalie from NC last year that could play. Would 9+1 really cheat to that extreme.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/11/16 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9d1 goalie is not from Long Island???


He is from LI. And in NY, school cutoff is 12/1.


Dukes National had a goalie from NC last year that could play. Would 9+1 really cheat to that extreme.


9D1 MD has a player from Texas.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/12/16 02:09 PM
Yes any kid can play anywhere in the country on any team they choose but for WSYL rules are you live 100 miles from home field how can you live in NC and claim you are 100 miles away from 9d1 Long Island home field. Let me guess you have a Summer rental and you will be sure to have a NYS photo ID ..... If you need to go to that extreme good for you but YOU ARE CHEATING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/12/16 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes any kid can play anywhere in the country on any team they choose but for WSYL rules are you live 100 miles from home field how can you live in NC and claim you are 100 miles away from 9d1 Long Island home field. Let me guess you have a Summer rental and you will be sure to have a NYS photo ID ..... If you need to go to that extreme good for you but YOU ARE CHEATING


So WSYL lists all the requirements for participation in this tournament and each roster has to be submitted in advance. If a team wants to try to bring in an out of town player, let them. The roster will still need to be approved.

Seems like there are multiple proof of residency checks for each player:
- participation in at least 2 tournaments with team
- 100 mile to home field address
- '16/'17 academic year report card
- school id card
- birth certificate
- valid parents drivers license (i'm assuming wsyl will double check to make sure the name of the parents matches the names on the birth certificate)

That seems like a pretty good checklist to ensure rosters are not full of flown in talent. If a NY team can bring in a NC student, I think the ones to be mad at is the WSYL for allowing it to happen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/12/16 03:31 PM
I think you are required to submit a school report card to prove the area that you live.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/12/16 04:07 PM
I think the Maryland boys can just use their drivers license
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/12/16 04:47 PM
Are the NY teams going to the WSYL taking there 2022 teams, mix of 22/23 or having there 23 teams play up?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/12/16 06:38 PM
they are taking the boys born after 9/1/2003.
regardless of grade
some are 8th grade, most are 7th grade, a few are 6th grade.
none are driving yet
non are shaving yet
some have hair on their upper lip(notably the Italian boys)
some have hair down there too
most are just immature boys
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/22/16 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL winner is as irrelevant as the USL champion. No competitive teams follow those age restrictions.


That's the point.....They should.


Yes..but to much money to be made by clubs and bragging rights to not have these kids that have been held back in school playing against younger kids in youth lacrosse. It is soo competitive and fair watching select kids play down at 12 years old. Ask any club owner..It is the right thing to do!


The age cutoff is going against the structure of many clubs in Maryland. The obvious clubs with holdbacks , CRABS, FCA, etc will probably not compete as they cant field competitive age based teams.I assume other Top clubs from other areas with heldback kids are in same boat.
Unless something changes it looks like there will be two paths in the club world of lacrosse as time goes on.

At this point I personally dont think grade base teams with select kids playing down will go away.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/22/16 01:32 PM
So the question is if your son is born after the cutoff, but is playing 2021, would you want him to go?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/22/16 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL winner is as irrelevant as the USL champion. No competitive teams follow those age restrictions.


That's the point.....They should.


Yes..but to much money to be made by clubs and bragging rights to not have these kids that have been held back in school playing against younger kids in youth lacrosse. It is soo competitive and fair watching select kids play down at 12 years old. Ask any club owner..It is the right thing to do!

I know Body By Jake said his model was the Little League World Series, but I think WSYL misses one key ingredient from that model.

Participants in the LLWS are all-star teams selected from within local "Little Leagues." So they basically play rec ball all season with their school friends and then come together after the regular season. Chances are, the teams that win those leagues make up most of the rosters of these all-star teams, with others sprinkled in. So these teams are basically local teams that play ball locally until the LLWS qualifiers... they're not travel teams. This feels pretty organic to me, and I think that's part of the appeal.

But WSYL basically encourages year-round club programs that can draw from relatively large areas. I doubt you'd need a 100-mile radius to fill a LLWS team, at least in the US, and after the Chicago scandal a couple years ago you'd probably be accused of cheating if you tried. I don't doubt that the players on club lacrosse teams become friends and all that, and I don't doubt those kids play at least partially for the joy of it. But these teams are assembled specifically for traveling to high-quality tournaments to develop and showcase their players' talents. So it just doesn't seem the same to me. Maybe the general public doesn't get the distinction, so maybe for developing an audience that's OK. But still...

At the WSYL, I saw kids playing for Mesa California that had in the fall and even later in the summer played for 3d Pacific.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The age cutoff is going against the structure of many clubs in Maryland. The obvious clubs with holdbacks , CRABS, FCA, etc will probably not compete as they cant field competitive age based teams.I assume other Top clubs from other areas with heldback kids are in same boat.
Unless something changes it looks like there will be two paths in the club world of lacrosse as time goes on.

At this point I personally dont think grade base teams with select kids playing down will go away.

There will only be one model for club - grade based. All programs that intend to be travel programs are trending towards this.

Only town/rec lacrosse leagues and tournaments, who actually do tend to use US Lacrosse rules and guidelines, will continue to go by age. But with the new player segmentation guidelines, they're even giving a little nod to grade-based.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/23/16 02:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL winner is as irrelevant as the USL champion. No competitive teams follow those age restrictions.


That's the point.....They should.


Yes..but to much money to be made by clubs and bragging rights to not have these kids that have been held back in school playing against younger kids in youth lacrosse. It is soo competitive and fair watching select kids play down at 12 years old. Ask any club owner..It is the right thing to do!

I know Body By Jake said his model was the Little League World Series, but I think WSYL misses one key ingredient from that model.

Participants in the LLWS are all-star teams selected from within local "Little Leagues." So they basically play rec ball all season with their school friends and then come together after the regular season. Chances are, the teams that win those leagues make up most of the rosters of these all-star teams, with others sprinkled in. So these teams are basically local teams that play ball locally until the LLWS qualifiers... they're not travel teams. This feels pretty organic to me, and I think that's part of the appeal.

But WSYL basically encourages year-round club programs that can draw from relatively large areas. I doubt you'd need a 100-mile radius to fill a LLWS team, at least in the US, and after the Chicago scandal a couple years ago you'd probably be accused of cheating if you tried. I don't doubt that the players on club lacrosse teams become friends and all that, and I don't doubt those kids play at least partially for the joy of it. But these teams are assembled specifically for traveling to high-quality tournaments to develop and showcase their players' talents. So it just doesn't seem the same to me. Maybe the general public doesn't get the distinction, so maybe for developing an audience that's OK. But still...

At the WSYL, I saw kids playing for Mesa California that had in the fall and even later in the summer played for 3d Pacific.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The age cutoff is going against the structure of many clubs in Maryland. The obvious clubs with holdbacks , CRABS, FCA, etc will probably not compete as they cant field competitive age based teams.I assume other Top clubs from other areas with heldback kids are in same boat.
Unless something changes it looks like there will be two paths in the club world of lacrosse as time goes on.

At this point I personally dont think grade base teams with select kids playing down will go away.

There will only be one model for club - grade based. All programs that intend to be travel programs are trending towards this.

Only town/rec lacrosse leagues and tournaments, who actually do tend to use US Lacrosse rules and guidelines, will continue to go by age. But with the new player segmentation guidelines, they're even giving a little nod to grade-based.



Well that's a shame! KIDS should play sports with kids of the same age. When they get to high school then it should be grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/23/16 04:07 PM
I just don't get what these people are trying to do with their kids. My son is an Oct birthday, and he is playing with his grade. I would never hold him back just to make him one of the older kids instead of the younger ones. He is one of the better kids in his grade, and he would be a beast in the grade below. But he wouldn't get anywhere, and when he goes to play the older kids in HS, he would be lost. I have seen it happen many times where kids get held back and are studs, and then don't even start in HS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/24/16 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just don't get what these people are trying to do with their kids. My son is an Oct birthday, and he is playing with his grade. I would never hold him back just to make him one of the older kids instead of the younger ones. He is one of the better kids in his grade, and he would be a beast in the grade below. But he wouldn't get anywhere, and when he goes to play the older kids in HS, he would be lost. I have seen it happen many times where kids get held back and are studs, and then don't even start in HS.


Your child would be a beast if he was held back. A superstar player. And he would be easily a starter in HS, if he is good at age now. Unfortunately holding back your child does work for many not all. Maryland MIAA teams are proof of that. They are loaded with holdbacks. Very few Freshman start but many are starters in their Soph and JR year. I dont think many would be starters without that advantage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/24/16 12:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just don't get what these people are trying to do with their kids. My son is an Oct birthday, and he is playing with his grade. I would never hold him back just to make him one of the older kids instead of the younger ones. He is one of the better kids in his grade, and he would be a beast in the grade below. But he wouldn't get anywhere, and when he goes to play the older kids in HS, he would be lost. I have seen it happen many times where kids get held back and are studs, and then don't even start in HS.


Same thing happens in college with 8th grade double hold backs. Many don't pan out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/27/16 11:44 AM
Anyone know who is headed to qualifiers ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/27/16 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So the question is if your son is born after the cutoff, but is playing 2021, would you want him to go?


Ask Leg - a - Sea. Lots of kids on Last Summers champ team who are in High school right now.

Break the stigma, it is an age based tournament, like Little League. Your playing the right bucket. Older kids get he benefit of not having to be as good, just older (just like life and those 1st qtr babies). Younger kids show they can handle themselves against older kids much respect to those.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/28/16 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9d1 goalie is not from Long Island???


He is from LI. And in NY, school cutoff is 12/1.


Dukes National had a goalie from NC last year that could play. Would 9+1 really cheat to that extreme.


9D1 MD has a player from Texas.


91 MD will not go or if they do it will not be the same team. Kids are too old. 91 LI and the other LI teams will go and have their whole team there. They can even bring some of their 2021 kids that qualify. Igloo is doing that.

I see people coming on here excited about their 22/23 team. Li will be bringing a 22/21 team. I would like to see another region win but unfortunately, it is not going to happen. LI will keep winning but I hope I am wrong.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/28/16 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9d1 goalie is not from Long Island???


He is from LI. And in NY, school cutoff is 12/1.


Dukes National had a goalie from NC last year that could play. Would 9+1 really cheat to that extreme.


9D1 MD has a player from Texas.


91 MD will not go or if they do it will not be the same team. Kids are too old. 91 LI and the other LI teams will go and have their whole team there. They can even bring some of their 2021 kids that qualify. Igloo is doing that.

I see people coming on here excited about their 22/23 team. Li will be bringing a 22/21 team. I would like to see another region win but unfortunately, it is not going to happen. LI will keep winning but I hope I am wrong.



My son's MD 2022 team will be there becuase 90% of the team qualifies.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/28/16 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9d1 goalie is not from Long Island???


He is from LI. And in NY, school cutoff is 12/1.


Dukes National had a goalie from NC last year that could play. Would 9+1 really cheat to that extreme.


9D1 MD has a player from Texas.


91 MD will not go or if they do it will not be the same team. Kids are too old. 91 LI and the other LI teams will go and have their whole team there. They can even bring some of their 2021 kids that qualify. Igloo is doing that.

I see people coming on here excited about their 22/23 team. Li will be bringing a 22/21 team. I would like to see another region win but unfortunately, it is not going to happen. LI will keep winning but I hope I am wrong.



AGE IS AGE. Sure the DOB break is subjective but it is still age on age. bring your right aged kids and see who is best. To me nothing wrong with playing on two teams actually i like the idea of creating an "All-Star" team from a region to see who is best. because arnt these team tryign to be allstar teams anyway. Isnt that what little league does. these teams are all star teams from each region... not little johnnies team he started on in March.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/28/16 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9d1 goalie is not from Long Island???

They have four goalies, 3 from LI & 1 from Virginia.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/30/16 04:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
9d1 goalie is not from Long Island???


He is from LI. And in NY, school cutoff is 12/1.


Dukes National had a goalie from NC last year that could play. Would 9+1 really cheat to that extreme.


9D1 MD has a player from Texas.


91 MD will not go or if they do it will not be the same team. Kids are too old. 91 LI and the other LI teams will go and have their whole team there. They can even bring some of their 2021 kids that qualify. Igloo is doing that.

I see people coming on here excited about their 22/23 team. Li will be bringing a 22/21 team. I would like to see another region win but unfortunately, it is not going to happen. LI will keep winning but I hope I am wrong.



My son's MD 2022 team will be there becuase 90% of the team qualifies.


So how are these 21 kids going to play two tournaments prior to the event which the rules say they must?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/30/16 02:23 PM
Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
All players must be born on or after 9/1/2003. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
***All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two tournaments (outside of a WSYL event), or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues.
*Key word is OR*

Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program. Players will be required to submit a report card, school identification card, or comparable proof of residency.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All teams must carry between 18-23 field players and a minimum of 2 goalies at all times. Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier, but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players. Total roster size can not exceed 25 players.
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and WSYL approval.
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card from '16/'17 academic year & valid parent Driver's License), verification of health insurance accepted in the United States, and waiver forms, are all due:
West/Central Regional Qualifier: January 13, 2017
North/East/South Regional Qualifier: March 3, 2017
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/30/16 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
All players must be born on or after 9/1/2003. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
***All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two tournaments (outside of a WSYL event), or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues.
*Key word is OR*

Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program. Players will be required to submit a report card, school identification card, or comparable proof of residency.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All teams must carry between 18-23 field players and a minimum of 2 goalies at all times. Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier, but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players. Total roster size can not exceed 25 players.
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and WSYL approval.
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card from '16/'17 academic year & valid parent Driver's License), verification of health insurance accepted in the United States, and waiver forms, are all due:
West/Central Regional Qualifier: January 13, 2017
North/East/South Regional Qualifier: March 3, 2017
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.


While I agree with making it age based at a reasonable date that aligns with schools. The players born between May 1 2003 and Aug 31 2003 got screwed. They would have been the youngest kids last year and are out this year. Oh well..at sometime the grade based garbage had to stop. They just happen to be the sacrificial lambs!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 01:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
All players must be born on or after 9/1/2003. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
***All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two tournaments (outside of a WSYL event), or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues.
*Key word is OR*

Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program. Players will be required to submit a report card, school identification card, or comparable proof of residency.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All teams must carry between 18-23 field players and a minimum of 2 goalies at all times. Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier, but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players. Total roster size can not exceed 25 players.
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and WSYL approval.
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card from '16/'17 academic year & valid parent Driver's License), verification of health insurance accepted in the United States, and waiver forms, are all due:
West/Central Regional Qualifier: January 13, 2017
North/East/South Regional Qualifier: March 3, 2017
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.


While I agree with making it age based at a reasonable date that aligns with schools. The players born between May 1 2003 and Aug 31 2003 got screwed. They would have been the youngest kids last year and are out this year. Oh well..at sometime the grade based garbage had to stop. They just happen to be the sacrificial lambs!


The only sacrifice is the $ people will put out for this B level tournament.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 01:46 AM
Says all the people who's kid can't go
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 03:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
All players must be born on or after 9/1/2003. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
***All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two tournaments (outside of a WSYL event), or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues.
*Key word is OR*

Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program. Players will be required to submit a report card, school identification card, or comparable proof of residency.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All teams must carry between 18-23 field players and a minimum of 2 goalies at all times. Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier, but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players. Total roster size can not exceed 25 players.
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and WSYL approval.
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card from '16/'17 academic year & valid parent Driver's License), verification of health insurance accepted in the United States, and waiver forms, are all due:
West/Central Regional Qualifier: January 13, 2017
North/East/South Regional Qualifier: March 3, 2017
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.


While I agree with making it age based at a reasonable date that aligns with schools. The players born between May 1 2003 and Aug 31 2003 got screwed. They would have been the youngest kids last year and are out this year. Oh well..at sometime the grade based garbage had to stop. They just happen to be the sacrificial lambs!


The only sacrifice is the $ people will put out for this B level tournament.



True, a lot of hype for a nothing special event that features generally weak competition. Don't get it? May as well go to laxfest
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 04:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
All players must be born on or after 9/1/2003. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
***All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two tournaments (outside of a WSYL event), or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues.
*Key word is OR*

Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program. Players will be required to submit a report card, school identification card, or comparable proof of residency.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All teams must carry between 18-23 field players and a minimum of 2 goalies at all times. Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier, but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players. Total roster size can not exceed 25 players.
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and WSYL approval.
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card from '16/'17 academic year & valid parent Driver's License), verification of health insurance accepted in the United States, and waiver forms, are all due:
West/Central Regional Qualifier: January 13, 2017
North/East/South Regional Qualifier: March 3, 2017
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.


While I agree with making it age based at a reasonable date that aligns with schools. The players born between May 1 2003 and Aug 31 2003 got screwed. They would have been the youngest kids last year and are out this year. Oh well..at sometime the grade based garbage had to stop. They just happen to be the sacrificial lambs!


The only sacrifice is the $ people will put out for this B level tournament.



True, a lot of hype for a nothing special event that features generally weak competition. Don't get it? May as well go to laxfest


WSYL is a fun, very competitive fair tournament. Should they rotate cities? Absolutely.

BUT...Never do laxfest again with those crooks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eligibility Rules - United States Teams
All players must be born on or after 9/1/2003. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
***All players must compete with their team or program on a regular basis. Minimum requirements are that players must compete with their team/program for at least two tournaments (outside of a WSYL event), or in a seasonal league. These events do not need to precede the qualifier but must precede the Championship event. WSYL reserves the right to require proof of participation in these tournaments or leagues.
*Key word is OR*

Players cannot be added only to participate in the World Series.
All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field of their program. Players will be required to submit a report card, school identification card, or comparable proof of residency.
No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
All teams must carry between 18-23 field players and a minimum of 2 goalies at all times. Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier, but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players. Total roster size can not exceed 25 players.
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and WSYL approval.
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card from '16/'17 academic year & valid parent Driver's License), verification of health insurance accepted in the United States, and waiver forms, are all due:
West/Central Regional Qualifier: January 13, 2017
North/East/South Regional Qualifier: March 3, 2017
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated, forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team.
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.


While I agree with making it age based at a reasonable date that aligns with schools. The players born between May 1 2003 and Aug 31 2003 got screwed. They would have been the youngest kids last year and are out this year. Oh well..at sometime the grade based garbage had to stop. They just happen to be the sacrificial lambs!


The only sacrifice is the $ people will put out for this B level tournament.



True, a lot of hype for a nothing special event that features generally weak competition. Don't get it? May as well go to laxfest


WSYL is a fun, very competitive fair tournament. Should they rotate cities? Absolutely.

BUT...Never do laxfest again with those crooks.


Very competitive? How many games were decided by teams winning by 6+ goals? Way too many weak teams allowed in this tourney to be called competitive.

To win the tourney by playing only 1 or 2 competitive teams ( which live 10 miles from home) is not a good tourney.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 04:13 PM
Watched Dukes Nationals 23 team play at NXT in the fall and either the Dicks TOC is a complete joke or they added 10 new kids. Not saying there were a bad team but I think Brotherly Love shut them out and they might have scorwd 3-4 goals against a not so great Looneys team. They go to Fl and are now scoring 10-15 goals a game? There 22 team at NXT looked strong yet they have lost 3 or 4 games down there...maybe something fishy going on?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watched Dukes Nationals 23 team play at NXT in the fall and either the Dicks TOC is a complete joke or they added 10 new kids. Not saying there were a bad team but I think Brotherly Love shut them out and they might have scorwd 3-4 goals against a not so great Looneys team. They go to Fl and are now scoring 10-15 goals a game? There 22 team at NXT looked strong yet they have lost 3 or 4 games down there...maybe something fishy going on?


Nothing fishy. The Dukes team is very open that they will use players from other clubs that want to pay to be on the Dukes team for different tournaments.

If the kid does not have a conflict with his real club, he will play for the Dukes.

Every tournament will have a different line up depending on the conflicts.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watched Dukes Nationals 23 team play at NXT in the fall and either the Dicks TOC is a complete joke or they added 10 new kids. Not saying there were a bad team but I think Brotherly Love shut them out and they might have scorwd 3-4 goals against a not so great Looneys team. They go to Fl and are now scoring 10-15 goals a game? There 22 team at NXT looked strong yet they have lost 3 or 4 games down there...maybe something fishy going on?


Nothing fishy. The Dukes team is very open that they will use players from other clubs that want to pay to be on the Dukes team for different tournaments.

If the kid does not have a conflict with his real club, he will play for the Dukes.

Every tournament will have a different line up depending on the conflicts.





Is that a team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 08:47 PM
Don't think a pick up roster can beat a Team
They can compete but ultimately I think the team will prevail more often than not
Seems like an expensive pick up team for pre teens when you factor in traveling costs but who am I to say how you spend your money

quote=Anonymous]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Watched Dukes Nationals 23 team play at NXT in the fall and either the Dicks TOC is a complete joke or they added 10 new kids. Not saying there were a bad team but I think Brotherly Love shut them out and they might have scorwd 3-4 goals against a not so great Looneys team. They go to Fl and are now scoring 10-15 goals a game? There 22 team at NXT looked strong yet they have lost 3 or 4 games down there...maybe something fishy going on?


Nothing fishy. The Dukes team is very open that they will use players from other clubs that want to pay to be on the Dukes team for different tournaments.

If the kid does not have a conflict with his real club, he will play for the Dukes.

Every tournament will have a different line up depending on the conflicts.



[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 12/31/16 09:44 PM
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/01/17 04:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...


U11 is not for any grade, it is an age grouping. The grade of a kid will not matter. Although a U11 kid who is already in seventh grade is probably pretty smart. The problem is the U14 player in sixth grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/02/17 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...


Are you talking about a particular team here?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/02/17 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...


Are you talking about a particular team here?


Somewhere I read the 2 best Dukes kids were 22's..including the fogo that won at a 75% clip.
A U11 cut off date that could include any 7th grader isn't really a i11 event.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/02/17 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...


Are you talking about a particular team here?


Somewhere I read the 2 best Dukes kids were 22's..including the fogo that won at a 75% clip.
A U11 cut off date that could include any 7th grader isn't really a i11 event.


So, Bandit dad Coach must of been freaking out about that! He thinks his kid is great, surprise!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 01:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...


Are you talking about a particular team here?


Somewhere I read the 2 best Dukes kids were 22's..including the fogo that won at a 75% clip.
A U11 cut off date that could include any 7th grader isn't really a i11 event.


Dukes 2022 played in U13!-get it straight before you open Pandora's box
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 01:38 AM
Jerks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...


Are you talking about a particular team here?


Somewhere I read the 2 best Dukes kids were 22's..including the fogo that won at a 75% clip.
A U11 cut off date that could include any 7th grader isn't really a i11 event.


So, Bandit dad Coach must of been freaking out about that! He thinks his kid is great,
surprise!


Bandits are 2023 and as much as we all like to fire away on 90+1 that kid is best faceoff on that grade level by far Dukes had all legal 2022 players play on U11 which was 15 players so some 2022 played u11 and some U13
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 02:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...


Are you talking about a particular team here?


Somewhere I read the 2 best Dukes kids were 22's..including the fogo that won at a 75% clip.
A U11 cut off date that could include any 7th grader isn't really a i11 event.


So, Bandit dad Coach must of been freaking out about that! He thinks his kid is great,
surprise!


Bandits are 2023 and as much as we all like to fire away on 90+1 that kid is best faceoff on that grade level by far Dukes had all legal 2022 players play on U11 which was 15 players so some 2022 played u11 and some U13


It's an ages based tournament, nothing could be more fair, love the excuses! As we know, age and grade are interchangeable in lax. A 22 today can be a 23 tomorrow
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 02:12 AM
We are from LI and our son played on Dukes yes there were a majority of,2022 kids that played in Florida 6 from LI alone. but all were legal U11 formTHIS tournament every tourn,eat we attend the roster is different so there is not a set Dukes roster.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 02:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...


Are you talking about a particular team here?


Somewhere I read the 2 best Dukes kids were 22's..including the fogo that won at a 75% clip.
A U11 cut off date that could include any 7th grader isn't really a i11 event.


So, Bandit dad Coach must of been freaking out about that! He thinks his kid is great,
surprise!


Bandits are 2023 and as much as we all like to fire away on 90+1 that kid is best faceoff on that grade level by far Dukes had all legal 2022 players play on U11 which was 15 players so some 2022 played u11 and some U13


Was the Dukes kid the same kid 9/1 used at NXT Cup in the finals or is he a '22?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 02:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...
Not for dicks, its 5/6th grade Bandits are all 6th grade. U11 is when they qualified.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 03:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it me or does have 2022 kids playing u11 seem ridiculous? U11 is for 4th and 5th graders not 7th...


Are you talking about a particular team here?


Somewhere I read the 2 best Dukes kids were 22's..including the fogo that won at a 75% clip.
A U11 cut off date that could include any 7th grader isn't really a i11 event.


So, Bandit dad Coach must of been freaking out about that! He thinks his kid is great,
surprise!


Bandits are 2023 and as much as we all like to fire away on 90+1 that kid is best faceoff on that grade level by far Dukes had all legal 2022 players play on U11 which was 15 players so some 2022 played u11 and some U13


Was the Dukes kid the same kid 9/1 used at NXT Cup in the finals or is he a '22?


WHY DO YOU CARE???!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 03:59 AM
So 1 person says the kids on Dukes 22 team played at U13 and than another said at least 6 2022 kids played at U11...

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 05:49 AM
Different guy. I know who it was.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 06:08 AM
It's aged based. U11 rules were a player had to be born after 6/1/2004. Those are the rules. All of teams were required to submit birth certificates including the Duke's before the tournament. Everyone that competed in the division was born after 6/1/2004 and the Duke's played within the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 11:39 AM
What does any of this have to do with WSYL go back to your own thread silly old men
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/03/17 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's aged based. U11 rules were a player had to be born after 6/1/2004. Those are the rules. All of teams were required to submit birth certificates including the Duke's before the tournament. Everyone that competed in the division was born after 6/1/2004 and the Duke's played within the rules.


So it was sorta a U11 age based tournament.
6/1 is not U11 according to USL.
9/1 is U11 according to USL.
So this was a tournament that allowed kids held back to play and anyone else that met the 6/1 date no matter what grade. Better than the grade base tournaments only that allows kids that are heldback to get this advantage and play down while everyone else exact same age takes a hike.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/04/17 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's aged based. U11 rules were a player had to be born after 6/1/2004. Those are the rules. All of teams were required to submit birth certificates including the Duke's before the tournament. Everyone that competed in the division was born after 6/1/2004 and the Duke's played within the rules.


So it was sorta a U11 age based tournament.
6/1 is not U11 according to USL.
9/1 is U11 according to USL.
So this was a tournament that allowed kids held back to play and anyone else that met the 6/1 date no matter what grade. Better than the grade base tournaments only that allows kids that are heldback to get this advantage and play down while everyone else exact same age takes a hike.


All youth based tournaments should be according to age. It is a true equalizer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/04/17 08:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's aged based. U11 rules were a player had to be born after 6/1/2004. Those are the rules. All of teams were required to submit birth certificates including the Duke's before the tournament. Everyone that competed in the division was born after 6/1/2004 and the Duke's played within the rules.


So it was sorta a U11 age based tournament.
6/1 is not U11 according to USL.
9/1 is U11 according to USL.
So this was a tournament that allowed kids held back to play and anyone else that met the 6/1 date no matter what grade. Better than the grade base tournaments only that allows kids that are heldback to get this advantage and play down while everyone else exact same age takes a hike.


All youth based tournaments should be according to age. It is a true equalizer.


All youth based tournaments should be based on height and weight. It is a true equalizer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/04/17 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's aged based. U11 rules were a player had to be born after 6/1/2004. Those are the rules. All of teams were required to submit birth certificates including the Duke's before the tournament. Everyone that competed in the division was born after 6/1/2004 and the Duke's played within the rules.


So it was sorta a U11 age based tournament.
6/1 is not U11 according to USL.
9/1 is U11 according to USL.
So this was a tournament that allowed kids held back to play and anyone else that met the 6/1 date no matter what grade. Better than the grade base tournaments only that allows kids that are heldback to get this advantage and play down while everyone else exact same age takes a hike.


All youth based tournaments should be according to age. It is a true equalizer.


All youth based tournaments should be based on height and weight. It is a true equalizer.


Your the guy that takes a good discussion and ruins it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/04/17 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's aged based. U11 rules were a player had to be born after 6/1/2004. Those are the rules. All of teams were required to submit birth certificates including the Duke's before the tournament. Everyone that competed in the division was born after 6/1/2004 and the Duke's played within the rules.


So it was sorta a U11 age based tournament.
6/1 is not U11 according to USL.
9/1 is U11 according to USL.
So this was a tournament that allowed kids held back to play and anyone else that met the 6/1 date no matter what grade. Better than the grade base tournaments only that allows kids that are heldback to get this advantage and play down while everyone else exact same age takes a hike.


All youth based tournaments should be according to age. It is a true equalizer.


All youth based tournaments should be based on height and weight. It is a true equalizer.


There is no such thing as true equalizer. Football tries to do an age height weight thing. But a consistent pure age range is probably alway best to consider first. Height and weight only could be a farce. Age should always be first factor. A 12 year old at the same height and weight of a 10 year old or a 14 and 16 year old at the same height and weight. Not even close. How about a 6'1" 12 year old and a 6'1" 14 or 16 year old.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/04/17 02:07 PM
I think the guy who posted the Height/weight option was up late sniffing glue.
Holdbacks are just dads trying to get an edge.
Need USL step up and take control over Sept 1. cutoff.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/04/17 02:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's aged based. U11 rules were a player had to be born after 6/1/2004. Those are the rules. All of teams were required to submit birth certificates including the Duke's before the tournament. Everyone that competed in the division was born after 6/1/2004 and the Duke's played within the rules.


So it was sorta a U11 age based tournament.
6/1 is not U11 according to USL.
9/1 is U11 according to USL.
So this was a tournament that allowed kids held back to play and anyone else that met the 6/1 date no matter what grade. Better than the grade base tournaments only that allows kids that are heldback to get this advantage and play down while everyone else exact same age takes a hike.


All youth based tournaments should be according to age. It is a true equalizer.


All youth based tournaments should be based on height and weight. It is a true equalizer.


There is no such thing as true equalizer. Football tries to do an age height weight thing. But a consistent pure age range is probably alway best to consider first. Height and weight only could be a farce. Age should always be first factor. A 12 year old at the same height and weight of a 10 year old or a 14 and 16 year old at the same height and weight. Not even close. How about a 6'1" 12 year old and a 6'1" 14 or 16 year old.


Says the guy with whose kid hit puberty in 4th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/04/17 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


So it was sorta a U11 age based tournament.
6/1 is not U11 according to USL.
9/1 is U11 according to USL.
So this was a tournament that allowed kids held back to play and anyone else that met the 6/1 date no matter what grade. Better than the grade base tournaments only that allows kids that are heldback to get this advantage and play down while everyone else exact same age takes a hike.


All youth based tournaments should be according to age. It is a true equalizer.


All youth based tournaments should be based on height and weight. It is a true equalizer.


There is no such thing as true equalizer. Football tries to do an age height weight thing. But a consistent pure age range is probably alway best to consider first. Height and weight only could be a farce. Age should always be first factor. A 12 year old at the same height and weight of a 10 year old or a 14 and 16 year old at the same height and weight. Not even close. How about a 6'1" 12 year old and a 6'1" 14 or 16 year old.


Says the guy with whose kid hit puberty in 4th grade.


Like the person said above. Reasonable discussions are constantly harassed by mental midgets like you who still lack any maturity from their own puberty.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/04/17 08:31 PM
The Guys who make the decisions are creating an unfair environment. Its been that way forever. Such as Life. adapt and overcome. Move on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/05/17 12:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


So it was sorta a U11 age based tournament.
6/1 is not U11 according to USL.
9/1 is U11 according to USL.
So this was a tournament that allowed kids held back to play and anyone else that met the 6/1 date no matter what grade. Better than the grade base tournaments only that allows kids that are heldback to get this advantage and play down while everyone else exact same age takes a hike.


All youth based tournaments should be according to age. It is a true equalizer.


All youth based tournaments should be based on height and weight. It is a true equalizer.


There is no such thing as true equalizer. Football tries to do an age height weight thing. But a consistent pure age range is probably alway best to consider first. Height and weight only could be a farce. Age should always be first factor. A 12 year old at the same height and weight of a 10 year old or a 14 and 16 year old at the same height and weight. Not even close. How about a 6'1" 12 year old and a 6'1" 14 or 16 year old.


Says the guy with whose kid hit puberty in 4th grade.


Like the person said above. Reasonable discussions are constantly harassed by mental midgets like you who still lack any maturity from their own puberty.


True fairness would be age based but in 6 months intervals. 12 months is way too unfair for the kids born at the end of the year. It is unsafe as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/06/17 06:42 PM
agreed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/07/17 02:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's aged based. U11 rules were a player had to be born after 6/1/2004. Those are the rules. All of teams were required to submit birth certificates including the Duke's before the tournament. Everyone that competed in the division was born after 6/1/2004 and the Duke's played within the rules.


So it was sorta a U11 age based tournament.
6/1 is not U11 according to USL.
9/1 is U11 according to USL.
So this was a tournament that allowed kids held back to play and anyone else that met the 6/1 date no matter what grade. Better than the grade base tournaments only that allows kids that are heldback to get this advantage and play down while everyone else exact same age takes a hike.


All youth based tournaments should be according to age. It is a true equalizer.


All youth based tournaments should be based on height and weight. It is a true equalizer.


There is no such thing as true equalizer. Football tries to do an age height weight thing. But a consistent pure age range is probably alway best to consider first. Height and weight only could be a farce. Age should always be first factor. A 12 year old at the same height and weight of a 10 year old or a 14 and 16 year old at the same height and weight. Not even close. How about a 6'1" 12 year old and a 6'1" 14 or 16 year old.


Says the guy with whose kid hit puberty in 4th grade.


Nope, hit it around 7th, but was fortunate enough to play HS, yes varsity in 8th grade, scoring points in season and playoffs and not just 1 in a blowout.

I consistently see kids in years below him who are a year to a year and a half younger taking spots they don't deserve, but, get it because they are 15 going seen against 13 year olds.

Mine was 13 going against 18. Bring back old school pride in playing up to show what you gotta not, Not masquarading talent by the farce of playing down.

Recently saw a 2021 kid 2 days older than he is and another 2 months older.

Things only become a norm if you let it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/07/17 02:36 AM
One question that hasn't been asked or answered. To qualify you have to win a tournament and since the 22's and 23's didn't play together in that event how are they eligible to play in he TOC? Seems pretty [lacrosse] for a kid to be on the team that won the an event for his program to qualify and than lose his spot to a kid a grade ahead.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/09/17 02:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
One question that hasn't been asked or answered. To qualify you have to win a tournament and since the 22's and 23's didn't play together in that event how are they eligible to play in he TOC? Seems pretty [lacrosse] for a kid to be on the team that won the an event for his program to qualify and than lose his spot to a kid a grade ahead.


This is a good question...why have qualifying events if you can take a completely different team to the actual tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/09/17 07:09 PM
Question? my kid was born in Sept.He was not held back, Because I don't believe in that. Obviously, the team he plays on is his Grad. year.... So he is playing for and against teams that have for the most part kids that are a year older then him. When an age based tournament is going on, what should you do? Do you let your club coach/and or club director know that he fits the age requirement of the younger team below.Is there some kind of tryout?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/09/17 09:43 PM
I would enter him in as many times as possible. Very rare you have an opportunity for him to be the oldest on the field. You know he can compete with kids that are almost 100% older.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/10/17 11:54 AM
Can we get back to the talk of World Series of Youth Lacrosse (WSYL) and not this other non sense [lacrosse]'s garbage .
Who is going to qualifier whoever comes out of north must be the favorite..... Express, 9d1, maybe igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/10/17 02:43 PM
Express's best pl layers do not qualify for this event. They will go to qualifiers but will not go to denver.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/10/17 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express's best pl layers do not qualify for this event. They will go to qualifiers but will not go to denver.



The qualifier has the same rules as WSYL in Denver, so those kids would not be eligible to play in any of the events.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/10/17 03:54 PM
Hopefully all clubs will bring an age based team over a grade based team to compete. No excuses.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/10/17 07:37 PM
Express parent we have been told once we qulify be prepared to go to Denver
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/10/17 10:02 PM
I guess you'll be going without the Manhasset kids then, lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/11/17 11:59 AM
Nah we are going
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/11/17 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would enter him in as many times as possible. Very rare you have an opportunity for him to be the oldest on the field. You know he can compete with kids that are almost 100% older.


Sorry to sound naive, but who do I enter him with? And how do you go about doing that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/12/17 01:25 PM
Tryout for a legit travel club that can compete at that level.
Make sure you let the evaluators now how old he is and that you would like him to compete for a chance to go to Denver.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/17 01:07 AM
I heard Body by cake is sponsoring a team from Jupiter so it is an intergalactic championship. Those martian players are mostly from Jupiter, Florida.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/18/17 01:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard Body by cake is sponsoring a team from Jupiter so it is an intergalactic championship. Those martian players are mostly from Jupiter, Florida.


Wasn't that called team Israel last year? Maybe this year they should sponsee team Palestine, might fare better!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/20/17 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nah we are going

Not if it is aged based.The whole town is held back regardless of what month the kids were born in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/23/17 12:29 PM
Is there any truth that team 9d1 has a player to playing for there NY team going to the WSYL who lives down south (NC or VA) which is more than 100 miles from home field. I think according too the rules on WSYL website that would be CHEATING and boy would they look foolish. SILLY 9d1 ...... let me guess he is renting a house in the Hamptons for the summer ........BUNCH OF CHEATERS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/23/17 02:56 PM
Goalie from north carolina
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/23/17 05:15 PM
Will he be playing with team in Qualifier ? If they do that they a going to get a bunch of crap thats pretty sad.... BUNCH OF CHEATERS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/23/17 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth that team 9d1 has a player to playing for there NY team going to the WSYL who lives down south (NC or VA) which is more than 100 miles from home field. I think according too the rules on WSYL website that would be CHEATING and boy would they look foolish. SILLY 9d1 ...... let me guess he is renting a house in the Hamptons for the summer ........BUNCH OF CHEATERS


Igloo tried that last year, but ended up not being able to use the player because it would have been cheating. So, I highly doubt they would get away with it...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/23/17 07:01 PM
Lets see what happens but the kid definitely is from NC and plays with them.

If that is the case Dukes Nationals should enter their team as well. They have players from Canada, Six Nations and all up and down the east coast. If I were them I would make a case to play. Trust me everyone is cheating or trying to cheat. Too much money to go only to be cheated on
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/23/17 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets see what happens but the kid definitely is from NC and plays with them.

If that is the case Dukes Nationals should enter their team as well. They have players from Canada, Six Nations and all up and down the east coast. If I were them I would make a case to play. Trust me everyone is cheating or trying to cheat. Too much money to go only to be cheated on


The event is set up for teams to cheat. It says you have to play 2 tournaments or leagues together as a team. So are the 23's supposed to play up with the age eligible 22's?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/23/17 10:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets see what happens but the kid definitely is from NC and plays with them.

If that is the case Dukes Nationals should enter their team as well. They have players from Canada, Six Nations and all up and down the east coast. If I were them I would make a case to play. Trust me everyone is cheating or trying to cheat. Too much money to go only to be cheated on


The event is set up for teams to cheat. It says you have to play 2 tournaments or leagues together as a team. So are the 23's supposed to play up with the age eligible 22's?


The event is not made for teams to cheat. The age system is to avoid the cheating we see in other tournaments. All the kids that are the correct age, regardless of graduation year, need to play together for two tournaments. Is it really that hard to figure out.

If people are violating the 100 mile rule, that's a different story. Haven't seen anyone complaining about that for the prior two years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/24/17 12:45 AM
Money Grab. It's Disneyland for lax bros. Have fun but don't expect more than a game or two of real competition.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/24/17 03:04 PM
Age based Team vs a Grade based team. All major clubs should put an aged based team together for Denver. Promote the sport and give the kids something to strive for. As for Cheating:
If your not cheating your not trying...... Right??? and your only cheating if you get caught? Right??
Good Luck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/24/17 03:39 PM
Bunch of liberal protesters on this blog...no cheating has occurred as the qualification games haven't even been scheduled as of yet and rosters not submitted for verification. What a crazy bunch of conspiracy theorist on this page. I'm out!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/24/17 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets see what happens but the kid definitely is from NC and plays with them.

If that is the case Dukes Nationals should enter their team as well. They have players from Canada, Six Nations and all up and down the east coast. If I were them I would make a case to play. Trust me everyone is cheating or trying to cheat. Too much money to go only to be cheated on


The event is set up for teams to cheat. It says you have to play 2 tournaments or leagues together as a team. So are the 23's supposed to play up with the age eligible 22's?


The event is not made for teams to cheat. The age system is to avoid the cheating we see in other tournaments. All the kids that are the correct age, regardless of graduation year, need to play together for two tournaments. Is it really that hard to figure out.

If people are violating the 100 mile rule, that's a different story. Haven't seen anyone complaining about that for the prior two years.


They change the eligibility every year...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/24/17 06:45 PM
Too much of an investment to have a team cheating. This is why everything just needs to be age based and not grade based.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 01/26/17 09:23 PM
That's good point as far as youth goes. Works well in Hockey and baseball. However you really cannot call it cheating because it is within the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/03/17 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's good point as far as youth goes. Works well in Hockey and baseball. However you really cannot call it cheating because it is within the rules.


The ones who's kids aren't involved will say its cheating anyway, Grade based, CHEATING! Age based, CHEATING!

Cheating is why my Johnnie doesn't always win!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/11/17 10:01 PM
very quiet!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/12/17 02:20 PM
What teams are GOING to north qualifier?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/14/17 01:58 PM
what happened in Texas this weekend was supposed to be a qualifier going on ...NOTHING this weekend Cali
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/14/17 09:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what happened in Texas this weekend was supposed to be a qualifier going on ...NOTHING this weekend Cali


There are no results posted anywhere did the qualifier not happen?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/14/17 10:17 PM
The west qualifier is this weekend the 18th.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/14/17 11:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The west qualifier is this weekend the 18th.


The central was this past weekend according to the site
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/15/17 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The west qualifier is this weekend the 18th.


The central was this past weekend according to the site


so did this not happen?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/19/17 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The west qualifier is this weekend the 18th.


The central was this past weekend according to the site


so did this not happen?


Did anyone qualify the last 2 weekends? Looks like Central and West are already done.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/19/17 08:48 PM
2022
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/20/17 02:47 AM
So Cal won West
Get on Instagram and Twitter you trolls
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/20/17 05:14 AM
West qualifier finished today
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/20/17 11:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very quiet!!!!!!


It's quiet because the tourney is an over publicised joke.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/21/17 03:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very quiet!!!!!!


It's quiet because the tourney is an over publicised joke.



Why
Because you son teams is not going
OR didn't qualify
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/21/17 12:00 PM
West Qualifiers :
So Cal Express
Colorado Outlaws
Mad Dog West
ADVNC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/22/17 11:48 AM
Express
Igloo
9D1
????
????
????
Who else headed to the North Qualifier
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/22/17 02:02 PM
CT Chargers
Eclipse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/22/17 06:51 PM
ADVNC 2-3 record in West.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/22/17 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
very quiet!!!!!!


It's quiet because the tourney is an over publicised joke.



Why
Because you son teams is not going
OR didn't qualify


It's because 2 or 3 teams win all the games 20-4 except when they play each other.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/17 12:05 PM
It will be here before you know it ..... The favorite out of North has to be Express with all there new additions courtesy of 9d1....LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/17 12:57 PM
Did a lot of players switch squads?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/17 01:48 PM
yes only 4 but 4 good ones
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/17 02:10 PM
What happens when a team plays in a qualifier with NO intention of going to Denver?
The qualifier is a relatively cheap tourney to play in at $1300 for 5 games and if its geographically convenient, why not just play it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/23/17 02:37 PM
You just play and decline your invitation should you get one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/17 06:04 PM
Any updates for the WSYL Central Qualifier? Nothing online anywhere
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/24/17 10:00 PM
i don't see a few kids moving around since the fall having a major impact. All good kids no doubt but the top teams all have a chance to beat each other any given day
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 10:35 AM
Just admit it...Deez nuts blown up...5th best on LI by the end of the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 01:28 PM
After what igloo did in fall they would have to be north favorite
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 02:51 PM
You got that right and also the conversion of 2 competing teams with there respected revenues to only 1 competitive got to hurt.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 03:25 PM
I agree, Igloo is the favorite, followed by Express. Spots 3 and 4 are up for grabs between Igloo Aspen and 91AA, not sure who else is qualifying.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 04:20 PM
91AA will not qualify, limited practice and a few of their players are not eligible especially.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 06:05 PM
Igloo, express, rebels and 91AA will qualify. 91 in only because outlaws not attending.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 06:24 PM
might not just be Long Island teams that make it from the North ...

Wasn't that way last year ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 06:28 PM
Igloo, Primetime, Express, and Superstars
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 07:16 PM
LOL easy there now big guy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 09:46 PM
I'm glad you got a chuckle.....but what was so funny? That the 2 westchester/CT teams were included, and it the 90+1 dream team wasn't?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 10:14 PM
The chuckle was a with regards to a comment after yours that was quickly removed but thx
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/25/17 11:22 PM
Yes, can't put one past you. Also must admit it is pretty good deal for 1300 for club games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/26/17 01:39 AM
WSYL seems a reach but is it true that the club that won last year gets an automatic invite to Denver the next year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/26/17 04:24 AM
Just ask most of the teams that qualified last year and then realized it was not worth the cost to travel that far to plays teams worse than those in the qualifier.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/26/17 05:16 AM
Not true ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/27/17 03:24 PM
Are rosters finalized for 91, Igloo, Superstars? How often do they practice, given they "encourage" multi sport athletes?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 02/27/17 06:59 PM
i believe March 3rd is the cutoff date to register teams and players so teams have till then to add players if they choose to.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/02/17 12:03 PM
March 2nd which teams are headed to north qualifier ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/02/17 05:06 PM
Northeast is all grade based and a grade based teams got spanked by an age based team last year. Only the east coast teams will have to create an age based team. As long as they are complying by the rules then so be it.
You can't complain. ITS OVER. AGE Based tournament= even playing field.

The rest of the year Johnny can go beat up on younger kids.... Not in Denver wink

Adults, Parents and coaches, CLub directors all set the rules to allow holdbacks for an advantage. SAD.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/06/17 10:16 PM
Did Igloo add any new Players or is it the same team that lost to GC 2022 at NXT? If it is the same team, why would they be favored? They always do well in the fall because they practice 2/3 times a week but fall apart in the Summer. How many tournaments did they win last summer? Express has to be the favored because they won the most tournaments last summer and I would not sleep on 9D1, didn't they win the NXT cup with just their United Team? You have to think that with the additiona on the Smash Players they will be better once they get some practices behind them.

Igloo, Express or 9d1 are so close that I think it will be a Pick'em anytime they play each other. All 3 will make Denver with one CT team.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/07/17 04:00 AM
It is to easy to change documents these days. More than one team will.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/07/17 01:21 PM
Igloo finally developed a FOGO. Huge difference for them. they lost in the past to Express and 9DEE1 because they lost 75% at X. and they would lose by one or two goals. Express 2022 has holdbacks so Channy top horses cant play, 9DEE1 is revamping this season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/07/17 02:25 PM
I heard there are a few 2021 kids that qualify based on age. Not sure if they are from A or B team. The family we know, their son is on the B team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/07/17 05:38 PM
Same Igloo kids for the most part. One of.. if not the best coach in the age group so if the team stayed together and is spending that much time with him it only stands to reason that they will continue to improve.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/07/17 08:56 PM
Express"DeezNuts" going to smoke Igloo at qualifier
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/08/17 02:56 PM
Maybe the Express/91 combined superbug will be able to finally beat Igloo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/09/17 02:16 AM
Nobody asked you losers who was going to win. This thread is about rules. Stop trolling
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/09/17 09:40 PM
Rules are for Deeznuts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/10/17 10:25 PM
I got my money on the Eskimo kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/10/17 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I got my money on the Eskimo kids


Are they real Eskimos?
Since when do they play Lacrosse?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/11/17 02:41 AM
I believe they are native Americans......sort of.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/11/17 09:43 PM
They are from the North Shore os Alaska
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/14/17 01:02 PM
Team Igloo?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/18/17 06:43 PM
3 weeks till north qualifier ...... schedule out next week Igloo got to be the favorite
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/18/17 11:03 PM
Do they use the tourney machine or will it be posted on a website only?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/19/17 11:17 AM
Google WSYL. All there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/20/17 03:33 AM
What is the over/under on how many LI teams qualify for the NE? 2.5 or 3 is thought for odds?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/20/17 11:17 AM
I got the over
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/20/17 02:41 PM
How many LI teams qualified last year and how many in total qualify from the NE?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/20/17 03:15 PM
5 quilified and only 3 went

Legecy
Icon
Igloo
Express
91
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/20/17 04:06 PM
WSYL schedules by website. Schedules should be available by Wednesday (3/22) or Thursday (3/23).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/20/17 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the over/under on how many LI teams qualify for the NE? 2.5 or 3 is thought for odds?

Same as last year (3)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/21/17 12:27 AM
Did any non long island teams qualify last year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/21/17 02:17 AM
Eclipse from CT
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/21/17 03:56 AM
Primetime as well
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/23/17 10:49 AM
hellllloooo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/17 03:56 PM
I can't find the schedules. Help anyone?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/17 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't find the schedules. Help anyone?

They are telling us that schedules will be released today (3/24) or Monday (3/27).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/24/17 11:23 PM
will it be up on their website?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/25/17 02:28 PM
schedule is all ready out ....going to be an interesting 2 days
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/25/17 03:56 PM
Where is it posted?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/25/17 04:01 PM
Where is the schedule? Not on WSYL website.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/25/17 04:13 PM
Where is th schedule?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/25/17 04:29 PM
Where did you find the schedule.
Not on the website
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/27/17 05:34 PM
qualifier schedule

http://www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/North-Regional.aspx
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/27/17 06:04 PM
North: http://www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/North-Regional.aspx
East: http://www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/East-Regional-Schedule.aspx
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/27/17 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Blue Division
Team Superstar
Igloo B
Express

Gold Division
9D1 B
Eclipse
Leg-uh-cee
Igloo A
LI Knights

Red Division
Primetime
9D1 AA
CT Chargers


If four teams advance it should be Channy, Igloo A, 9D1 AA and a wild card - either Primetime or Leg-uh-cee. If six qualify, all bets are off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/27/17 07:17 PM
It's out. Going to be an interesting day. Does anyone know how many teams they are taking?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/27/17 07:34 PM
So far three of the more lax focused regions and 30 teams. Doesn't seem like enough...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/29/17 03:03 PM
My money is on Eskimo's
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/29/17 03:30 PM
Interesting that the South and Central qualifiers never got off the ground. I guess the teams that signed up for those got automatic entry to Denver.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 03/29/17 05:44 PM
How many international teams are signed up ? do they get a direct pass or do they have to qualify?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/01/17 10:16 PM
Rankings of true World Championships based on quality of opponents -
1) Millon National Championship
2) NLF Super Summer Series
3) Young Guns
4) WSYL
5) USL Nationals
6) Dicks TOC

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/02/17 04:10 PM
You are comparing apples to oranges. Some areas and teams are strictly age based on others are grade based. The differences in boys during their 12-14 year old years can be incredible. They should be ranked in order but seperate them by age and grade based tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/02/17 04:39 PM
you can not include NLF some of the best teams are not invited , lot of talented kids are not involved
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/02/17 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are comparing apples to oranges. Some areas and teams are strictly age based on others are grade based. The differences in boys during their 12-14 year old years can be incredible. They should be ranked in order but seperate them by age and grade based tournaments.



By overall competitiveness of the teams playing, the list looks correct.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/17 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are comparing apples to oranges. Some areas and teams are strictly age based on others are grade based. The differences in boys during their 12-14 year old years can be incredible. They should be ranked in order but seperate them by age and grade based tournaments.


Correct - you are comparing Rec teams (age based) to club teams (grade based). Two entirely different levels of competition.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/17 08:09 PM
If you went to the top clubs and asked there coaches who their top 5 kids were on there team. And then asked about the dob's of those same top 5 kids. You would find out that 95% of those kids would be the hold backs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/03/17 08:51 PM
Or December/January
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/05/17 11:25 AM
Soon we will see who it will be from the north and the east ......
1. Igloo
2. LIE
3. Prime Time
4. Eclipse
5. 91AA

1. API Diamondbacks
2. BBL
3. Breakers
4. MD Wolfpack
5.Tri-State

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/05/17 01:03 PM
how many teams advance after qualifier ?????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/05/17 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Soon we will see who it will be from the north and the east ......
1. Igloo
2. LIE
3. Prime Time
4. Eclipse
5. 91AA

1. API Diamondbacks
2. BBL
3. Breakers
4. MD Wolfpack
5.Tri-State



Where is Crabs???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/05/17 05:20 PM
Eclipse team is weak this year. No way going to advance. . . .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/05/17 06:13 PM
which Igloo team is there AA team? Aspen Extreme or Igloo
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/05/17 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eclipse team is weak this year. No way going to advance. . . .


How do you know this? Have you see them play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/05/17 09:51 PM
Igloo aspen and 91 has both teams in
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/06/17 12:41 AM
Thats not answering the question. Is Igloo Aspen Extreme their A or AA team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/06/17 01:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Soon we will see who it will be from the north and the east ......
1. Igloo
2. LIE
3. Prime Time
4. Eclipse
5. 91AA

1. API Diamondbacks
2. BBL
3. Breakers
4. MD Wolfpack
5.Tri-State



Where is Crabs???



Crabs don't play rec level tournaments. MD Woldpack? C'mon
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/06/17 03:01 AM
Igloo's AA team is called Arctic Blast.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/06/17 11:18 AM
Blast is the 1st team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/06/17 01:51 PM
Crabs don't play tournaments when age verification is needed...kids born in 03/04 for Crabs play on there 2025 teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/07/17 11:35 AM
express wins this thing hands down saw them play and they are amazing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/07/17 02:37 PM
Stop being an imposter and trying to stir
the pot, no Express parent thinks that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/07/17 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
express wins this thing hands down saw them play and they are amazing

They lost to madlax and the richmond greyhounds in MD last weekend....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/07/17 04:35 PM
From what I hear Primetime is the best in class and should win it all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/07/17 06:06 PM
Laughable
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From what I hear Primetime is the best in class and should win it all.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/07/17 06:11 PM
What r people hearing about CT Chargers?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/07/17 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs don't play tournaments when age verification is needed...kids born in 03/04 for Crabs play on there 2025 teams

This is the truest post ever on this site. Crabs is a joke. Kids at least 1.5 years older than competition. Funny to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/07/17 07:07 PM
will be lucky to win a game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What r people hearing about CT Chargers?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/07/17 09:36 PM
Are there size limits on the rosters?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 10:26 AM
Ys 21 field players and 3 goalies. Also, they are taking 6 teams from mthe north qualifier, as per the director.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 12:03 PM
what a joke did you see the schedules for the qualifier
91 AA, Express Chenney and Team Igloo playing all the B teams
and their B teams are playing the A teams. What a coincidence amazing that the Owners would go out of their way to make sure these AA teams play the sure to beat teams where is the confidence that your AA 's would make it to Denver without rigging the schedule.

why would Team Igloo play Team 91A instead of AA etc......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 12:09 PM
not true instead of sending ARTIC BLAST Team igloo brought in 5 of their players from Black ice who qualify age wise as AA cant handle last yrs loss at the 2016 WS someone has an AX to grind.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 04:31 PM
So if you are not the roster... awkward and not the best for a kids confidence. But every kid is different and to each his own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 04:58 PM
Wow.... Day 1 and Prime Time already 0-2? Still going to "win it all"? Hmmmm.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow.... Day 1 and Prime Time already 0-2? Still going to "win it all"? Hmmmm.....


Give it time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what a joke did you see the schedules for the qualifier
91 AA, Express Chenney and Team Igloo playing all the B teams
and their B teams are playing the A teams. What a coincidence amazing that the Owners would go out of their way to make sure these AA teams play the sure to beat teams where is the confidence that your AA 's would make it to Denver without rigging the schedule.

why would Team Igloo play Team 91A instead of AA etc......



They'll end up playing in the semifinals or the finals tomorrow. Nothing really surprising today in the North results.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 09:40 PM
PT is a no shot, so much for Eskimo B? Why did some teams play 2 and some 4?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 09:49 PM
How did teams look in east qualifier?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 10:28 PM
Wrong but good guess FA
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/08/17 10:37 PM
Igloo brought a bunch of 8th graders so they looked great. Very funny that the fogo from express does not qualify. Too old. That hurts them. 91 looked ok. Should be Express vs 91 in semis. Legacy vs igloo in other. Don't see anyone beating igloo though. I hope this stops the obnoxious express parent from going nuts on sideline whenever his kid wins a faceoff. He should win. He's over a year older than everyone in 7th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 12:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo brought a bunch of 8th graders so they looked great. Very funny that the fogo from express does not qualify. Too old. That hurts them. 91 looked ok. Should be Express vs 91 in semis. Legacy vs igloo in other. Don't see anyone beating igloo though. I hope this stops the obnoxious express parent from going nuts on sideline whenever his kid wins a faceoff. He should win. He's over a year older than everyone in 7th grade.

Don't care what grade they bring in... if they make the age cut-off happy to play them!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 02:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo brought a bunch of 8th graders so they looked great. Very funny that the fogo from express does not qualify. Too old. That hurts them. 91 looked ok. Should be Express vs 91 in semis. Legacy vs igloo in other. Don't see anyone beating igloo though. I hope this stops the obnoxious express parent from going nuts on sideline whenever his kid wins a faceoff. He should win. He's over a year older than everyone in 7th grade.


At least they are all from Long Island
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 03:00 AM
Igloo was the only team that brought-down a half a dozen 8th-graders for WSYL. The world was terrible when Legacy did it to them last year and now AA has subscribed to the same practice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 11:34 AM
If that is what they are doing what a bunch of hypocrites. I guess winning is more important than principle. Last year everyone was pulling for them because they did it the right way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 11:49 AM
Clubs should just hold open tryouts for specifically for this tourney. Because (a) it's U13 not grade like the teams that are formed at tryouts (b) it's a capped roster (c) it's about winning and (d) it's about winning on national TV.IMHO, The ESPN involvement in this made this tourney different and the competition will only get better and better, both in our local region and other regions.

For those points above we should have no issue with clubs applying age guidelines to better their roster. It makes sense and will now be the norm, because teams in other regions will now most certainly do this. Trust me those other regions want nothing more than to beat LI team on TV.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should just hold open tryouts for specifically for this tourney. Because (a) it's U13 not grade like the teams that are formed at tryouts (b) it's a capped roster (c) it's about winning and (d) it's about winning on national TV.IMHO, The ESPN involvement in this made this tourney different and the competition will only get better and better, both in our local region and other regions.

For those points above we should have no issue with clubs applying age guidelines to better their roster. It makes sense and will now be the norm, because teams in other regions will now most certainly do this. Trust me those other regions want nothing more than to beat LI team on TV.



Igloo held a separate tryout
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
not true instead of sending ARTIC BLAST Team igloo brought in 5 of their players from Black ice who qualify age wise as AA cant handle last yrs loss at the 2016 WS someone has an AX to grind.....


I love how there are thousands of posts griping about holdbacks and now there is an age based tournament and you're still griping. So now you want grade based with an age cut off?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 01:55 PM
That will be the trend. Question. Was for just for kids on Igloo or open? If closed, then the next step will be somebody holding an open tryout.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should just hold open tryouts for specifically for this tourney. Because (a) it's U13 not grade like the teams that are formed at tryouts (b) it's a capped roster (c) it's about winning and (d) it's about winning on national TV.IMHO, The ESPN involvement in this made this tourney different and the competition will only get better and better, both in our local region and other regions.

For those points above we should have no issue with clubs applying age guidelines to better their roster. It makes sense and will now be the norm, because teams in other regions will now most certainly do this. Trust me those other regions want nothing more than to beat LI team on TV.


of course!! Nobody cares if the kid is a genius & in college already, if he is the correct age and he can play put him on a roster! This is not that hard guys....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Igloo was the only team that brought-down a half a dozen 8th-graders for WSYL. The world was terrible when Legacy did it to them last year and now AA has subscribed to the same practice.

if they have boys the same age as ours that are good enough to play up then they deserve a spot on the roster... this is for a chance to go to the world series and be on espn, our boys need to get better instead of those boys being left out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 05:10 PM
MD - NJ teams:
1) Diamondbacks
2) Brotherly Love
3) Tri-State
4) BBL
5) Black Storm
6) Mad Dog

Can any of these teams compete with the Long Island teams?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should just hold open tryouts for specifically for this tourney. Because (a) it's U13 not grade like the teams that are formed at tryouts (b) it's a capped roster (c) it's about winning and (d) it's about winning on national TV.IMHO, The ESPN involvement in this made this tourney different and the competition will only get better and better, both in our local region and other regions.

For those points above we should have no issue with clubs applying age guidelines to better their roster. It makes sense and will now be the norm, because teams in other regions will now most certainly do this. Trust me those other regions want nothing more than to beat LI team on TV.



This tournament is a joke and will continue to be a joke if teams have to be re-created just for it.

None of the top teams in MD participated and that eliminated 90% of the competition for the long island teams.




Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That will be the trend. Question. Was for just for kids on Igloo or open? If closed, then the next step will be somebody holding an open tryout.


The Colorado Outlaws did that. So did two of the teams in the East Regional that aren't summer tournament organizations.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 06:17 PM
API is the only elite MD team there because they have a team with no holdbacks. And they won the East. All other MD teams didn't compete because of age verification and half their team too old.

[/quote]
This tournament is a joke and will continue to be a joke if teams have to be re-created just for it.

None of the top teams in MD participated and that eliminated 90% of the competition for the long island teams.




[/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should just hold open tryouts for specifically for this tourney. Because (a) it's U13 not grade like the teams that are formed at tryouts (b) it's a capped roster (c) it's about winning and (d) it's about winning on national TV.IMHO, The ESPN involvement in this made this tourney different and the competition will only get better and better, both in our local region and other regions.

For those points above we should have no issue with clubs applying age guidelines to better their roster. It makes sense and will now be the norm, because teams in other regions will now most certainly do this. Trust me those other regions want nothing more than to beat LI team on TV.



This tournament is a joke and will continue to be a joke if teams have to be re-created just for it.

None of the top teams in MD participated and that eliminated 90% of the competition for the long island teams.





Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 06:23 PM
Only the Diamondbacks can compete with LI. They beat Express Chaney last summer at Young guns and again at philly NXT wins over smash. Question is can they compete in their own MD spring league with elite teams that are not on age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MD - NJ teams:
1) Diamondbacks
2) Brotherly Love
3) Tri-State
4) BBL
5) Black Storm
6) Mad Dog

Can any of these teams compete with the Long Island teams?


Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should just hold open tryouts for specifically for this tourney. Because (a) it's U13 not grade like the teams that are formed at tryouts (b) it's a capped roster (c) it's about winning and (d) it's about winning on national TV.IMHO, The ESPN involvement in this made this tourney different and the competition will only get better and better, both in our local region and other regions.

For those points above we should have no issue with clubs applying age guidelines to better their roster. It makes sense and will now be the norm, because teams in other regions will now most certainly do this. Trust me those other regions want nothing more than to beat LI team on TV.



This tournament is a joke and will continue to be a joke if teams have to be re-created just for it.

None of the top teams in MD participated and that eliminated 90% of the competition for the long island teams.





I can't believe it's this hard for the East Coast to put together age appropriate teams. You guys are hilarious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should just hold open tryouts for specifically for this tourney. Because (a) it's U13 not grade like the teams that are formed at tryouts (b) it's a capped roster (c) it's about winning and (d) it's about winning on national TV.IMHO, The ESPN involvement in this made this tourney different and the competition will only get better and better, both in our local region and other regions.

For those points above we should have no issue with clubs applying age guidelines to better their roster. It makes sense and will now be the norm, because teams in other regions will now most certainly do this. Trust me those other regions want nothing more than to beat LI team on TV.



This tournament is a joke and will continue to be a joke if teams have to be re-created just for it.

None of the top teams in MD participated and that eliminated 90% of the competition for the long island teams.





I can't believe it's this hard for the East Coast to put together age appropriate teams. You guys are hilarious.



Hard to believe that so much effort goes into a tournament so out of what with how most teams are built. Only rec teams are built this way. It's like promoting the minor league World Series.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 07:54 PM
The joke is how many of this chest pounding club teams are filled with hold backs and they can't field a competitive team without them. It is hilarious, instead of bitching about the rules maybe you should build a team with age appropriate kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only the Diamondbacks can compete with LI. They beat Express Chaney last summer at Young guns and again at philly NXT wins over smash. Question is can they compete in their own MD spring league with elite teams that are not on age
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MD - NJ teams:
1) Diamondbacks
2) Brotherly Love
3) Tri-State
4) BBL
5) Black Storm
6) Mad Dog

Can any of these teams compete with the Long Island teams?





Probably not. The Diamondbacks are probably the 5th best team in MD and Brotherly Love the 4th best in Philly. Tri-State may be the best Jersey team but they are far down the list from MD and Philly teams.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The joke is how many of this chest pounding club teams are filled with hold backs and they can't field a competitive team without them. It is hilarious, instead of bitching about the rules maybe you should build a team with age appropriate kids.


Why? - to play in one tournament? - great idea. There are many better tournaments out there. The millon championship is legit. This one is not.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 09:56 PM
The on age boys will be on ESPN, feel free to enter all the grade based hold back tournaments you like, go win a few hats and t shirts, what channel are those tournaments on?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The on age boys will be on ESPN, feel free to enter all the grade based hold back tournaments you like, go win a few hats and t shirts, what channel are those tournaments on?


Congratulations on the win today, Mr. Penguin. Wondered how long it would take you to show up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 10:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The joke is how many of this chest pounding club teams are filled with hold backs and they can't field a competitive team without them. It is hilarious, instead of bitching about the rules maybe you should build a team with age appropriate kids.


Why? - to play in one tournament? - great idea. There are many better tournaments out there. The millon championship is legit. This one is not.




in other words... CAN'T go, not good enough to play on age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 10:40 PM
What happened to that great express team today? I guess all the 91 defections didn't help. Addition by subtraction. 91 was the better coached team by far. Keep buying into channys line of bs though. And btw, igloo, did you really need to bring all those 8th graders to win? Coming into the spring you were the consensus #1 team on LI. Instead of dropping players for this tournament you should have played with your original team. Good enough to win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 11:20 PM
Tick-rock. Still waiting....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/09/17 11:46 PM
says the classy 91 parent, or lack of. you can't help yourself. congratulations to the 91 players on the big win. express
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 01:36 AM
Did 91 play with the North Carolina goalie?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 01:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The joke is how many of this chest pounding club teams are filled with hold backs and they can't field a competitive team without them. It is hilarious, instead of bitching about the rules maybe you should build a team with age appropriate kids.


Why? - to play in one tournament? - great idea. There are many better tournaments out there. The millon championship is legit. This one is not.




in other words... CAN'T go, not good enough to play on age.


So you think it is a great idea to have the Long Island teams play each other and a bunch of crappy teams in Colorado so you can see your self on tv? They have video cameras for that now.

3 legit teams will be in this tournament and will beat everyone else by 10.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 01:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The on age boys will be on ESPN, feel free to enter all the grade based hold back tournaments you like, go win a few hats and t shirts, what channel are those tournaments on?



And for only $3,000 a kid, you too can be on TV.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 03:08 AM
True. Saw many frowns under the iceberg. Didn't look as good as 2022 team. No i in team. They
Took a step back adding the olders
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 03:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The on age boys will be on ESPN, feel free to enter all the grade based hold back tournaments you like, go win a few hats and t shirts, what channel are those tournaments on?



And for only $3,000 a kid, you too can be on TV.


Is none of your business how people spend their money. If you have more than everyone else and don't want to spend it - great . if you don't have the money and you cant spend it - sorry
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 03:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The joke is how many of this chest pounding club teams are filled with hold backs and they can't field a competitive team without them. It is hilarious, instead of bitching about the rules maybe you should build a team with age appropriate kids.


Why? - to play in one tournament? - great idea. There are many better tournaments out there. The millon championship is legit. This one is not.




in other words... CAN'T go, not good enough to play on age.


So you think it is a great idea to have the Long Island teams play each other and a bunch of crappy teams in Colorado so you can see your self on tv? They have video cameras for that now.

3 legit teams will be in this tournament and will beat everyone else by 10.




well... I do have a nice camera and I do take excellent home movies but somehow I don't think it has quite the same feeling to it. Sometimes you get an opportunity in life to do something a little different and this is one of those opportunities. There are legitimate reasons not to go, it is expensive but so is it all. I am curious to see if the rest of the country has caught up at all... we shall see how good your prediction is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
True. Saw many frowns under the iceberg. Didn't look as good as 2022 team. No i in team. They
Took a step back adding the olders


Thats funny cause the kids they added are younger !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 11:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did 91 play with the North Carolina goalie?


No 91 played its goalie from United, who made several big saves when Express was winning 5-1, which would have ended the game. He is a great player and has shown it over the years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 12:54 PM
So does Igloo and 91AA both make it to Denver?

Channy must have went through the roof yesterday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 01:12 PM
Big improvement by T91 since the fall. Starting to play like a team and everybody contributing. Express has 1 kid who is awesome and a bunch of good players. Kid dominated the game in the first half taking every faceoff and never coming off the field as a mid, I don't know how he does it. Was spent in the second half which allowed 91 to come back and win.

WSYL qualifier was a very well run and fun tournament. The MD/PA Bashers would all be playing in it if they could bring their holdbacks. It's amazing to me that they can not field an age appropriate team. Hats off to API for at lease trying and I am sure they will be competitive.

It was only 2 years a go that the Crabs were there and embarrassed by Crush. Everybody that I know that has been there say it is an awesome experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 01:51 PM
I agree. Can't figure out why MD/PA teams wouldn't want to know how their age appropriate players fair against other age appropriate teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big improvement by T91 since the fall. Starting to play like a team and everybody contributing. Express has 1 kid who is awesome and a bunch of good players. Kid dominated the game in the first half taking every faceoff and never coming off the field as a mid, I don't know how he does it. Was spent in the second half which allowed 91 to come back and win.

WSYL qualifier was a very well run and fun tournament. The MD/PA Bashers would all be playing in it if they could bring their holdbacks. It's amazing to me that they can not field an age appropriate team. Hats off to API for at lease trying and I am sure they will be competitive.

It was only 2 years a go that the Crabs were there and embarrassed by Crush. Everybody that I know that has been there say it is an awesome experience.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So does Igloo and 91AA both make it to Denver?

Channy must have went through the roof yesterday.


Top four teams go and several others may be extended an invitation too.

Channy and Express handled it with like champs. Apprecite your interest and concern.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 02:16 PM
Top 6 teams qualify from the North

1) Igloo
2) 91 AA
3) Express
4) Legacy
5) Primetime
6) Eclipse
____________

7) 91 A
8) Superstars
9) Chargers
10) Igloo Aspen Extreme
11) Knights
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. Can't figure out why MD/PA teams wouldn't want to know how their age appropriate players fair against other age appropriate teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big improvement by T91 since the fall. Starting to play like a team and everybody contributing. Express has 1 kid who is awesome and a bunch of good players. Kid dominated the game in the first half taking every faceoff and never coming off the field as a mid, I don't know how he does it. Was spent in the second half which allowed 91 to come back and win.

WSYL qualifier was a very well run and fun tournament. The MD/PA Bashers would all be playing in it if they could bring their holdbacks. It's amazing to me that they can not field an age appropriate team. Hats off to API for at lease trying and I am sure they will be competitive.

It was only 2 years a go that the Crabs were there and embarrassed by Crush. Everybody that I know that has been there say it is an awesome experience.




Not worth the hassle and expense to kick a couple kids off a team and add a couple more for one weak tournament when so many better tournaments are available.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. Can't figure out why MD/PA teams wouldn't want to know how their age appropriate players fair against other age appropriate teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big improvement by T91 since the fall. Starting to play like a team and everybody contributing. Express has 1 kid who is awesome and a bunch of good players. Kid dominated the game in the first half taking every faceoff and never coming off the field as a mid, I don't know how he does it. Was spent in the second half which allowed 91 to come back and win.

WSYL qualifier was a very well run and fun tournament. The MD/PA Bashers would all be playing in it if they could bring their holdbacks. It's amazing to me that they can not field an age appropriate team. Hats off to API for at lease trying and I am sure they will be competitive.

It was only 2 years a go that the Crabs were there and embarrassed by Crush. Everybody that I know that has been there say it is an awesome experience.




Not worth the hassle and expense to kick a couple kids off a team and add a couple more for one weak tournament when so many better tournaments are available.



Our team had 3 kids ineligible. One by two months and two by a month. The team decided we didn't want to leave those kids behind. That simple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 03:16 PM
LEg-a-cee aint going
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
API is the only elite MD team there because they have a team with no holdbacks. And they won the East. All other MD teams didn't compete because of age verification and half their team too old.


This tournament is a joke and will continue to be a joke if teams have to be re-created just for it.

None of the top teams in MD participated and that eliminated 90% of the competition for the long island teams.




[/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should just hold open tryouts for specifically for this tourney. Because (a) it's U13 not grade like the teams that are formed at tryouts (b) it's a capped roster (c) it's about winning and (d) it's about winning on national TV.IMHO, The ESPN involvement in this made this tourney different and the competition will only get better and better, both in our local region and other regions.

For those points above we should have no issue with clubs applying age guidelines to better their roster. It makes sense and will now be the norm, because teams in other regions will now most certainly do this. Trust me those other regions want nothing more than to beat LI team on TV.



This tournament is a joke and will continue to be a joke if teams have to be re-created just for it.

None of the top teams in MD participated and that eliminated 90% of the competition for the long island teams.





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This is a totally false statement. Diamondbacks have holdbacks, they just didn't play in the qualifier and can't go to Colorado. Others could have done the same. You know there are holdbacks on your team. Why lie?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree. Can't figure out why MD/PA teams wouldn't want to know how their age appropriate players fair against other age appropriate teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Big improvement by T91 since the fall. Starting to play like a team and everybody contributing. Express has 1 kid who is awesome and a bunch of good players. Kid dominated the game in the first half taking every faceoff and never coming off the field as a mid, I don't know how he does it. Was spent in the second half which allowed 91 to come back and win.

WSYL qualifier was a very well run and fun tournament. The MD/PA Bashers would all be playing in it if they could bring their holdbacks. It's amazing to me that they can not field an age appropriate team. Hats off to API for at lease trying and I am sure they will be competitive.

It was only 2 years a go that the Crabs were there and embarrassed by Crush. Everybody that I know that has been there say it is an awesome experience.




Not worth the hassle and expense to kick a couple kids off a team and add a couple more for one weak tournament when so many better tournaments are available.



Our team had 3 kids ineligible. One by two months and two by a month. The team decided we didn't want to leave those kids behind. That simple.


And all 3 would have been eligible the last 2 years. Not sure what the point of changing the date was.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 04:56 PM
I wonder if there are going to be any teams turning down the invite from the North qualifier?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 07:37 PM
leg acey is not going
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 08:29 PM
The fact that parents hold their kids back and even go as far as to re-classify kids and have them repeat a grade to gain an advantage in sports (often at the urging of their club team) is ridiculous. The time when all reputable tournaments will go to an age-based system is not that far off. US Lacrosse has been trying to move the sport in the right direction, but USL has no power. The change will come after the NCAA changes their recruiting rules as there won't be an advantage to having a 15 or 16 yr old 8th grader anymore. My son is the youngest on his 7th grade team at 12 with a spring birthday. He regularly competes with kids that are 14 and in 7th grade. He holds his own with the older players that have all shot up in size with the onset of puberty and he is one of the leading scorers in the league. When he hits 13 or 14 and hits his growth spurt he will continue to pass these older players by. Several college coaches have told me they want the kid that is just turning 18 before they walk as a senior in HS, not the 20 yr old that has already peaked and maxed out.
WSYL has the best interest of the players in mind with their age rules that match US Lacrosse Guidelines. Eventually, the club teams will come around and do the right thing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/10/17 10:39 PM
Amen, brother. One can only hope.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/11/17 12:08 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The fact that parents hold their kids back and even go as far as to re-classify kids and have them repeat a grade to gain an advantage in sports (often at the urging of their club team) is ridiculous. The time when all reputable tournaments will go to an age-based system is not that far off. US Lacrosse has been trying to move the sport in the right direction, but USL has no power. The change will come after the NCAA changes their recruiting rules as there won't be an advantage to having a 15 or 16 yr old 8th grader anymore. My son is the youngest on his 7th grade team at 12 with a spring birthday. He regularly competes with kids that are 14 and in 7th grade. He holds his own with the older players that have all shot up in size with the onset of puberty and he is one of the leading scorers in the league. When he hits 13 or 14 and hits his growth spurt he will continue to pass these older players by. Several college coaches have told me they want the kid that is just turning 18 before they walk as a senior in HS, not the 20 yr old that has already peaked and maxed out.
WSYL has the best interest of the players in mind with their age rules that match US Lacrosse Guidelines. Eventually, the club teams will come around and do the right thing.

I do think there are more of "us" (people who care about the integrity of the sport and the safety of kids) than "them" (basically narcissists) so hopefully you are right!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/11/17 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The fact that parents hold their kids back and even go as far as to re-classify kids and have them repeat a grade to gain an advantage in sports (often at the urging of their club team) is ridiculous. The time when all reputable tournaments will go to an age-based system is not that far off. US Lacrosse has been trying to move the sport in the right direction, but USL has no power. The change will come after the NCAA changes their recruiting rules as there won't be an advantage to having a 15 or 16 yr old 8th grader anymore. My son is the youngest on his 7th grade team at 12 with a spring birthday. He regularly competes with kids that are 14 and in 7th grade. He holds his own with the older players that have all shot up in size with the onset of puberty and he is one of the leading scorers in the league. When he hits 13 or 14 and hits his growth spurt he will continue to pass these older players by. Several college coaches have told me they want the kid that is just turning 18 before they walk as a senior in HS, not the 20 yr old that has already peaked and maxed out.
WSYL has the best interest of the players in mind with their age rules that match US Lacrosse Guidelines. Eventually, the club teams will come around and do the right thing.

I do think there are more of "us" (people who care about the integrity of the sport and the safety of kids) than "them" (basically narcissists) so hopefully you are right!



I agree. The system should be age based, but unfortunately it is not. Until it is age based, any tournament that is age based will not be fully supported and is basically a vacation to Florida or Colorado or Virginia with a little lacrosse thrown in.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/11/17 12:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LEg-a-cee aint going


Wow - the #4 invite is not even going. Who is then?

Why even play in the qualifier? I guess the Long Island qualifier is basically the championship anyway.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/11/17 02:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The fact that parents hold their kids back and even go as far as to re-classify kids and have them repeat a grade to gain an advantage in sports (often at the urging of their club team) is ridiculous. The time when all reputable tournaments will go to an age-based system is not that far off. US Lacrosse has been trying to move the sport in the right direction, but USL has no power. The change will come after the NCAA changes their recruiting rules as there won't be an advantage to having a 15 or 16 yr old 8th grader anymore. My son is the youngest on his 7th grade team at 12 with a spring birthday. He regularly competes with kids that are 14 and in 7th grade. He holds his own with the older players that have all shot up in size with the onset of puberty and he is one of the leading scorers in the league. When he hits 13 or 14 and hits his growth spurt he will continue to pass these older players by. Several college coaches have told me they want the kid that is just turning 18 before they walk as a senior in HS, not the 20 yr old that has already peaked and maxed out.
WSYL has the best interest of the players in mind with their age rules that match US Lacrosse Guidelines. Eventually, the club teams will come around and do the right thing.

I do think there are more of "us" (people who care about the integrity of the sport and the safety of kids) than "them" (basically narcissists) so hopefully you are right!



I agree. The system should be age based, but unfortunately it is not. Until it is age based, any tournament that is age based will not be fully supported and is basically a vacation to Florida or Colorado or Virginia with a little lacrosse thrown in.

of course you are right ... for now. But the tide is turning and although it may be to late for my kids I still don't mind speaking up until it changes and maybe keep a kid younger than mine from getting hurt.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/14/17 08:54 PM
I think most people are just unhappy with this event billing itself as a world championship when 80% of the top talent is not participating.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/14/17 09:13 PM
The on age top talent teams are participating. If some of the so called top teams not involved, tells you all you need to know about the make up their rosters, unhappy - too bad, stop cheating.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/14/17 09:32 PM
ha ha, 100% of the top talent age wise is participating!! Just because your kid is too old just means he probably is in the bottom 20% talent wise of his actual grade!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/14/17 09:41 PM
Stupidest post of the day on here...and that's saying something
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/15/17 01:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ha ha, 100% of the top talent age wise is participating!! Just because your kid is too old just means he probably is in the bottom 20% talent wise of his actual grade!!!!!!!

You went to Hofstra, didn't you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/15/17 11:49 AM
Who isn't competing that makes up the 20%?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/18/17 11:36 AM
Jesus! Stop moaning if your kid didn't make the team or your team can't go because you have hold backs or your team didn't qualify. LET IT GO. The incessant whining is ridiculous. The pot stirring is ridiculous and is getting really old. Take it to the complaint board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/19/17 12:18 AM
Everyone should really just accept that this is a U13 event only a few 2022 clubs wanted to create U13 teams from their 2022 and 2023 kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Jesus! Stop moaning if your kid didn't make the team or your team can't go because you have hold backs or your team didn't qualify. LET IT GO. The incessant whining is ridiculous. The pot stirring is ridiculous and is getting really old. Take it to the complaint board.



Just accept that this is a U13 event and not a 2022 event. These are two totally different things and even if the same club plays in 2022 events and U13 events, they are usually made up of two totally different rosters. Most clubs widely support 2022 events and very few support U13 events. That's just the way teams are built.







Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/24/17 02:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone should really just accept that this is a U13 event only a few 2022 clubs wanted to create U13 teams from their 2022 and 2023 kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Jesus! Stop moaning if your kid didn't make the team or your team can't go because you have hold backs or your team didn't qualify. LET IT GO. The incessant whining is ridiculous. The pot stirring is ridiculous and is getting really old. Take it to the complaint board.




Just accept that this is a U13 event and not a 2022 event. These are two totally different things and even if the same club plays in 2022 events and U13 events, they are usually made up of two totally different rosters. Most clubs widely support 2022 events and very few support U13 events. That's just the way teams are built.



Just accept that all top 2022 teams can have select players 1 year older than the majority of players as a result of holdbacks and U13 are all within a year due to age. Just the way it is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: WSYL NEW RULES - 04/24/17 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous