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So what you are saying is you can't wait to see how a TRUE 2020 kid stacks up against looneys and 91 fogo HOLDBACKS? Wait aren't you contradicting yourself? Those kids are supposed to be rising 10th graders and you want them to go against a TRUE rising 9th grader. You sound like a fool. Get your fact straight before you choke on your own ignorant words. Those fogos from Looneys and Crush are A FULL YEAR OLDER than the Fogo on TAZ! Sooo what is your point?? Are you trying to say He went against kids his own age and WON? Unless that's your point you have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the proof!! He went against kids more than a whole head taller, that weighed more, and we're the same age if not OLDER, and he beat them. Too bad you weren't there to see it because if you were you wouldn't be spewing nonsense!




TAZ fogo was dominant, but he was not born in Oct 03 as it said on the roster. Some of the fogos he faced were his age and some were almost a year younger. Those are the facts. How he does against the better 2020 fogos this season remains to be seen, but I think he will hold his own. He is one of the top 3 2020s on LI.

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The WSYL website shows the highest point makers for Igloo all weekend have fall '02 birthdays. That is a holdback on Long Island - they should be 2020's (8th) and they are playing down in 2021.



The crying in here from the igloo parents is hysterical. Like a early post you can't change age which is why an age based tournament is more transparent. To sit here and continue to say 8th graders bet up 7th graders, don't your kids play JV? So your 7th grader played 10th graders and you pounded your chest. SMH at the craziness on here. You lost get over it and it wasn't a pretty loss either.

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Such losers. It is age based. Why is igloo crying like little girls? Pathetic igloo....

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The WSYL website shows the highest point makers for Igloo all weekend have fall '02 birthdays. That is a holdback on Long Island - they should be 2020's (8th) and they are playing down in 2021.



The crying in here from the igloo parents is hysterical. Like a early post you can't change age which is why an age based tournament is more transparent. To sit here and continue to say 8th graders bet up 7th graders, don't your kids play JV? So your 7th grader played 10th graders and you pounded your chest. SMH at the craziness on here. You lost get over it and it wasn't a pretty loss either.


Let's see who's crying next week! Bet it won't be Igloo parents. Enjoy your "win", probably won'y see one of those again!

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So what you are saying is you can't wait to see how a TRUE 2020 kid stacks up against looneys and 91 fogo HOLDBACKS? Wait aren't you contradicting yourself? Those kids are supposed to be rising 10th graders and you want them to go against a TRUE rising 9th grader. You sound like a fool. Get your fact straight before you choke on your own ignorant words. Those fogos from Looneys and Crush are A FULL YEAR OLDER than the Fogo on TAZ! Sooo what is your point?? Are you trying to say He went against kids his own age and WON? Unless that's your point you have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the proof!! He went against kids more than a whole head taller, that weighed more, and we're the same age if not OLDER, and he beat them. Too bad you weren't there to see it because if you were you wouldn't be spewing nonsense!




TAZ fogo was dominant, but he was not born in Oct 03 as it said on the roster. Some of the fogos he faced were his age and some were almost a year younger. Those are the facts. How he does against the better 2020 fogos this season remains to be seen, but I think he will hold his own. He is one of the top 3 2020s on LI.


Has already been seen, and it ain't nothing to write home about! If you are interested, it will be seen again next week!

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So what you are saying is you can't wait to see how a TRUE 2020 kid stacks up against looneys and 91 fogo HOLDBACKS? Wait aren't you contradicting yourself? Those kids are supposed to be rising 10th graders and you want them to go against a TRUE rising 9th grader. You sound like a fool. Get your fact straight before you choke on your own ignorant words. Those fogos from Looneys and Crush are A FULL YEAR OLDER than the Fogo on TAZ! Sooo what is your point?? Are you trying to say He went against kids his own age and WON? Unless that's your point you have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the proof!! He went against kids more than a whole head taller, that weighed more, and we're the same age if not OLDER, and he beat them. Too bad you weren't there to see it because if you were you wouldn't be spewing nonsense!




TAZ fogo was dominant, but he was not born in Oct 03 as it said on the roster. Some of the fogos he faced were his age and some were almost a year younger. Those are the facts. How he does against the better 2020 fogos this season remains to be seen, but I think he will hold his own. He is one of the top 3 2020s on LI.


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Website had FO kid oct 2003,birthday, is it right or wrong.

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Website had FO kid oct 2003,birthday, is it right or wrong.


Wrong. Just like some other birthdays and stats on that website.

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FO B-Day is Sept 2001 maybe sibling is 2003

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Kid is a 2020 absolutely not an 03

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LI is using holdbacks now. Pot meet kettle.

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LI is using holdbacks now. Pot meet kettle.


Maybe make the semi's before your start yapping MD nation.

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LI is using holdbacks now. Pot meet kettle.
That would be a scary day for many out of state teams if LI started reclassing kids. I do not think anyone needs to worry, we all saw what happened to a certain team full of holdbacks, clearly it is not a recipe for success. True talent and hard work will always prevail.

As for this tournament, no holdbacks in the whole entire tournament- as solid comprehension will lead you to understand, that you cannot be a holdback (left back in grade for athletic purposes or a late starting kindergartener) in an age based event as grade is irrelevant. Period. Age events in youth lacrosse should be the golden rule. Why is it athletes in other sports do not need their friends in their grade with them, but lax player mommies and daddies say that their kids should be able to play with their friends and therefore need to play with their grade????

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Hmm sounds like somebody's jealous!

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igloo, why the crying? This tourney had an age cutoff that all teams entering had to comply with.
AA elected to run his standard team with some additions from his other 2021 team instead of searching for some older boys who could meet the cutoff birth date.
So why hate? T Z played within the rules and in typical igloo fashion, all you parents whine and cry, lol.

I am sure you will come back on here and have 20 posts following how you are the best 2021 and yes, you are. However, you were not the best at the World Series within the rules.

Good game and just leave it at that.

I look forward to the loud big guy to chime in. Cant miss him.

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Rather not make the semi's with a legit team rather than use holdbacks.

Stay classy Holdback Island.

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Just so you know there is no way this crying as you are saying is someone from Igloo. The parents for both groups stayed at the same hotel, and were supportive of each other the entire time. Both teams took quality players and both teams made it to the final. This in itself was not a easy task. There were some serious teams in this event. With 8 very long games over three days this tourney was intensive. But the fact is most teams who put together teams specifically for this event did better then teams that did not. This is because of the age differences. Now you can look at one or two kids from every team that participated and say that kid is a little older, but the fact is that legacy had more kids that just met the cutoff then any other program. That is a fact. It's not crying, it's completely within the rules. But it is still a fact. Next year I think you will find ever club doing this, and then you will see a much bigger average of player on all teams. That will truly even the playing field. As it should be.

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Rather not make the semi's with a legit team rather than use holdbacks.

Stay classy Holdback Island.


Hey not so bright person. No such thing as a holdback in AGE based tournament silly man. Sorry you are used to your holdback dominating younger kids under a different grad year. Boohoo

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This tournament has shown how far Maryland is from not only Long Island but other states as well. Top Maryland teams did not join simply because they were too old. Same could be said about the Boston area teams. The ones that did join had disapointing results. When there is an equal playing field all the Long Island teams came out on top. Great showing by all three teams.

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Maybe make the semi's before your start yapping MD nation.

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What you didn't see on TV. When Mad Dog West walked by Igloo during the opening ceremony - the coaches and the entire team turned around and gave them high 5s as they walked by - and every team after that. The Igloo Parents in the stands stood up and cheered for Mad Dog west as they walked by.

Igloo and Mad Dog had 2 very competitive games against each other.

Before the game started - The igloo players spotted Team Isreal in the stands and acknowledged them. Team Israel boys went nuts cheering for igloo.

Trust me - it was about the experience. Not the gold or silver medal.

Igloo should be proud.

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LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.

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Just so you know there is no way this crying as you are saying is someone from Igloo. The parents for both groups stayed at the same hotel, and were supportive of each other the entire time. Both teams took quality players and both teams made it to the final. This in itself was not a easy task. There were some serious teams in this event. With 8 very long games over three days this tourney was intensive. But the fact is most teams who put together teams specifically for this event did better then teams that did not. This is because of the age differences. Now you can look at one or two kids from every team that participated and say that kid is a little older, but the fact is that legacy had more kids that just met the cutoff then any other program. That is a fact. It's not crying, it's completely within the rules. But it is still a fact. Next year I think you will find ever club doing this, and then you will see a much bigger average of player on all teams. That will truly even the playing field. As it should be.


It is sportsmanship at its worst. Not blaming teams (okay maybe I am) but for shame for the tourney for doing it this way. Didn't they changed the rules late in the game. Set the rules now or within 4 weeks of last championship match and let everyone know what they are trying out for.

growing up there were true all star teams, LI time to see beyond the cash and make some of these teams just that. Parents you hold the cards.


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What you didn't see on TV. When Mad Dog West walked by Igloo during the opening ceremony - the coaches and the entire team turned around and gave them high 5s as they walked by - and every team after that. The Igloo Parents in the stands stood up and cheered for Mad Dog west as they walked by.

Igloo and Mad Dog had 2 very competitive games against each other.

Before the game started - The igloo players spotted Team Isreal in the stands and acknowledged them. Team Israel boys went nuts cheering for igloo.

Trust me - it was about the experience. Not the gold or silver medal.

Igloo should be proud.


Heard team Israel was from Florida. Did they do that to make people think this was an actual world competition?

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Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?

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Lived on LI my whole life and have never seen a carport?? Now holdbacks.......those are those older kids from MD???

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Team Iraq next year. Hillary will let anyone in.

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Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


Heard they had 8 kids from Israel on the team. They are trying to grow the sport of lacrosse in Israel. You should also see what team Israel does outside of lacrosse that is also great. It's hope that one day lacrosse becomes their national sport in Israel.

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Team Iraq next year. Hillary will let anyone in.



That's funny!!!

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Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


Heard they had 8 kids from Israel on the team. They are trying to grow the sport of lacrosse in Israel. You should also see what team Israel does outside of lacrosse that is also great. It's hope that one day lacrosse becomes their national sport in Israel.


As per their roster, all players seemed to have American hometowns except for two, which simply had none listed. Highly unlikely 8 of them were from Isreal. Instead it was a team of jewish american kids.

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LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?

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Lived on LI my whole life and have never seen a carport?? Now holdbacks.......those are those older kids from MD???


What???

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LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
This is one of those comments made out of total ignorance. Generally speaking, holding back for athletic reasons can only happen at private schools and not public, and the last time I checked there were maybe 2 or 3 prep schools playing lax on all of LI. I could name 4 just in a 10 mile radius outside of Baltimore. And actually holdbacks are more prevalent in Ct. and Westchester County than LI. So as much as I hate to say it Long Island teams probably have the fewest amount of repeat kids than most lacrosse regions.
When going to age based tournaments there are always going to be teams like Legacy bringing as many kids as possible who are close to the age cut-off. It is what it is. Baseball's Little League World Series (12U) ,( which I think WSYL is trying to emulate, but I wish somehow it could also be town based) is also prone to certain teams always playing the age cut-off game.

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The WSYL website shows the highest point makers for Igloo all weekend have fall '02 birthdays. That is a holdback on Long Island - they should be 2020's (8th) and they are playing down in 2021.



The crying in here from the igloo parents is hysterical. Like a early post you can't change age which is why an age based tournament is more transparent. To sit here and continue to say 8th graders bet up 7th graders, don't your kids play JV? So your 7th grader played 10th graders and you pounded your chest. SMH at the craziness on here. You lost get over it and it wasn't a pretty loss either.


Let's see who's crying next week! Bet it won't be Igloo parents. Enjoy your "win", probably won'y see one of those again!


Yes you'll enter a grade based tournament with your 6 2002 kids and act like you dont have holdbacks. Then run around that you are the best. Keep bashing TAZ. They entered an AGE based tournament with AGE eligible kids. You enter GRADE based tournaments with holdbacks. Bet you regret the DOB being posted because now we all know the truth

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LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?


Middie is old and committed to UNC. #25 is an August birthday and played in the WSYL last year. Great kid and most here in MD don't consider August birthdays "holdbacks" Also, not a crabs parent. BTW, the biggest joke is the big attackman. Will be 16 soon if not already.

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Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


Heard they had 8 kids from Israel on the team. They are trying to grow the sport of lacrosse in Israel. You should also see what team Israel does outside of lacrosse that is also great. It's hope that one day lacrosse becomes their national sport in Israel.


As per their roster, all players seemed to have American hometowns except for two, which simply had none listed. Highly unlikely 8 of them were from Isreal. Instead it was a team of jewish american kids.


What happened to the 100 mile radius rule for them??

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Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


What's wrong if a country allows dual citizenship and a player is able to represent, as opposed just a club team based in the US? If it's the 'world series' then countries can go and to be part of it can be a great experience.

Are you telling me if your son/daughter develops to be a great player later on, has dual citizenship with another country, BUT cannot represent the US in world play or maybe Olympics, you would shun the opportunity to participate? Dual citizenship is already going on at the older world level, but we don't hear you complaining about that scenario.

I think a country entering this year a good step forward and I give the team credit for attending as the only represented country, knowing full well the level of competition.

The only downside at this age level is finding the players for the less skilled countries. But it's gotta start somewhere and that's great.

Unfortunately, for whichever club owner who decides to create a mega-uber team called "TEAM USA: a division of 88+3, NLF Affiliate and Conglomerate, Expressly coached by the Biggest Four Leading Edge and Crabby D-I Alumni with the intent to create a Leggicy for Dunkin Donuts"....that owner will either be guaranteed to make a fortune from the parents and dominate the tournament for years, or make the event spontaneously combust.

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Like Mike Piazza playing for Italy in the Olympics?
Growing the game.

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LI is not only the leader in carports, now they are the leader in holdbacks.
I'm guessing this clueless parent is from Maryland who is somehow able to turn a blind eye to the Crabs 2020 team. It almost embarrassing to watch 3 or 4 of their players compete against age appropriate 2020. (One middie 44 and one defensemen 25 in particular.) But I guess as long as their parents are proud of them playing down then that's all that matters. ....carports? really?


Middie is old and committed to UNC. #25 is an August birthday and played in the WSYL last year. Great kid and most here in MD don't consider August birthdays "holdbacks" Also, not a crabs parent. BTW, the biggest joke is the big attackman. Will be 16 soon if not already.


unc middie recruit apparently not as old as people say. 4/2001 according underarmour roster site. older but not a double holdback if the birthdate is correct

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Team Israel was from Florida, Maryland and Connecticut. All US kids. Not a single person from Israel. This only further demonstrates what a joke this circus is becoming. Can we take a pole as to what sham national team is created for next year?


What's wrong if a country allows dual citizenship and a player is able to represent, as opposed just a club team based in the US? If it's the 'world series' then countries can go and to be part of it can be a great experience.

Are you telling me if your son/daughter develops to be a great player later on, has dual citizenship with another country, BUT cannot represent the US in world play or maybe Olympics, you would shun the opportunity to participate? Dual citizenship is already going on at the older world level, but we don't hear you complaining about that scenario.

I think a country entering this year a good step forward and I give the team credit for attending as the only represented country, knowing full well the level of competition.

The only downside at this age level is finding the players for the less skilled countries. But it's gotta start somewhere and that's great.

Unfortunately, for whichever club owner who decides to create a mega-uber team called "TEAM USA: a division of 88+3, NLF Affiliate and Conglomerate, Expressly coached by the Biggest Four Leading Edge and Crabby D-I Alumni with the intent to create a Leggicy for Dunkin Donuts"....that owner will either be guaranteed to make a fortune from the parents and dominate the tournament for years, or make the event spontaneously combust.


What a farce! Just silly, and adds to the circus reputation the event is getting to be known as. Nothing at all like the Little League WS, that is a legitimate, respected youth tournament.

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Juan Epstein is listed from Brooklyn.

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