Use this thread to discuss lacrosse pertaining to Boys 2028 (6th Graders) for the Fall 2021/Summer 2022 season.

#1

Tuition cost of clubs this year ??

How was turnout for tryouts this weekend?

The topic parents never answer.

$2,800 includes fall, spring, and tourneys.

2,700 all included

Legacy improve this yr ? We were away on vacation .

2300

Nope.

What club are u referring too?

What level are you referring to? AA, A, B, or C?

You mean A,B,C this is not ice hockey

As for tuition, these are a few I've heard

Rush - $3500
Rebels - $3200
Express - A(2 teams) $3900, B - $3K

I think most come in between $3K-$3500, with Express topping at almost $4K.

As for tuition, these are a few I've heard

Rush - $3500
Rebels - $3200
Express - A(2 teams) $3900, B - $3K

I think most come in between $3K-$3500, with Express topping at almost $4K.[/quote]
Legacy - $3825

As for tuition, these are a few I've heard

Rush - $3500
Rebels - $3200
Express - A(2 teams) $3900, B - $3K

I think most come in between $3K-$3500, with Express topping at almost $4K.[/quote]
Legacy - $3825[/quote]

91A is 4K

The title was switched with the 2026 title! All 2028 comments are listed under 2026 now. What the heck

Legacy - $3825[/quote]

91A is 4K[/quote]

You get a lot more lacrosse at Express than 91

Annapolis Hawks are $2100

Wow and they do plenty of good quality tournaments too

91A is 4K[/quote]

You get a lot more lacrosse at Express than 91[/quote]


Express is a bargain comparatively…12 out of town tourneys, 20 play dates, outdoor practice in the winter, indoor practice for an extra fee.

Hitmen 2600

Well, Matt Hogan does run a large tourney business. Only non- Hogan tourneys they play are NLF and the Crabs Young Guns. All the Hawks teams play in Naptown National. A hogan tourney.

S2S—$3100

You get a lot more lacrosse at Express than 91[/quote]


Express is a bargain comparatively…12 out of town tourneys, 20 play dates, outdoor practice in the winter, indoor practice for an extra fee.[/quote]

What is included for 91 for 4K?

You get a lot more lacrosse at Express than 91[/quote]


Express is a bargain comparatively…12 out of town tourneys, 20 play dates, outdoor practice in the winter, indoor practice for an extra fee.[/quote]

How did express do vs 91 or any other good team this summer?

You get a lot more lacrosse at Express than 91[/quote]


Express is a bargain comparatively…12 out of town tourneys, 20 play dates, outdoor practice in the winter, indoor practice for an extra fee.[/quote]

91 3,600

Why did moose fold?

Express is a bargain comparatively…12 out of town tourneys, 20 play dates, outdoor practice in the winter, indoor practice for an extra fee.[/quote]

How did express do vs 91 or any other good team this summer?[/quote]

FYI nobody wants to play in 12 out of town tourneys and 20 play dates. How did express do vs 91 when they played after their superior bargain experience?

Where are they located. I never see them in quality tournaments.

Did moose hold tryouts? Or did they know they were folding?

Maybe “the herd” heard everyone was leaving?

Express and legacy are celebrating this big time. Big clubs losing to Moose is embarrassing. Too bad for them they were unable to add any of those talented players like S2S and venom did.

Moose dispersed due to logistics for some, playing time for others, return to age appropriate teams and because one size does not fit all. Add all that up and you get the outcome. Nothing but positive things to say about the director, coaches, experience, cost and what the kids got. Things change.

Agree other teams are lucky to get those kids

Directors kids were the only reason they had a team, but Director living in dream world.

It took 3 pages to start the nasty comments. 2 days was a good run. Stop.

My lacrosse tournaments Last Team Standing and All Star Fall Brawl in October looks like a good weekend of tournaments in PA

Rebels already have their fall schedule up.

Whoever posted about the Moose director and the program is just a negative angry person spewing detest. Said director is one of the most honest, positive, knowledgeable, passionate, generous people in this crazy lax world. And he was the reason some of the top talent eschewed the franchises and followed him. Things change, but he deserves nothing but respect.

I agree. I have never met anyone with as much love and enthusiasm both for the sport and the kids who play it. I’m really sorry to hear the team broke up.

I’m. not sure of the circumstances, but I have had kids that have played for Moose at other age levels and the only criticism I had was that the Harborfields tended to have a playtime advantage over other kids, regardless of talent or ability. Not sure if that was a factor here, but something the club may want to recognize and try to rectify moving forward.

Thank you for letting us know, I was losing sleep over this.

Club Nationals in FL dec 31-jan 2

Yes, this is an accurate statement. Favoritism ruined the team.

"ruined" ? Was it favoritism for better players? If so, that is travel lacrosse.

91 has the same favoritism for Massapequa kids. Unfortunately it happens everywhere

Playing the best players isn’t favoritism, and that’s certainly expected in travel lacrosse. The problem comes when less talented players are favored because of relationships with coaches. It happens on all teams and it’s normal to a certain extent for coaches to have players they favor.

There has been a pattern at Moose on several grade levels of favoring Harborfields kids at the expense of kids from other towns. The coaches may not even recognize it. I’m hoping they take it as constructive criticism and work to ensure it doesn’t happen on their remaining teams. I really like this club and want to see them continue.

Fair statement and delivery.

So if you compare the comments about moose from a year ago, which said "it's so wonderful, a grass roots team, kids love each other, building something, great kids great parents, bla bla" to these comments...you can see that all clubs basically have the same problems. Was a short honeymoon.

I disagree with the above.

Then what is your explanation for why the 2026 team folded. I'm dying to hear your excuses.

Let’s hear what teams think they got better ?

Venom definitely, did legacy add any firepower?

The Moose 2026 team did NOT fold. In fact, they will be a solid team to watch this upcoming year. The 2028 team was a close knit group that played competitive games and was good competition for the other programs. Will see how the boys develop this upcoming year at their new clubs. Every club has pros and cons. Make sure your kid is having fun!

We probably would have heard about it

Play in B brackets and some out of town tourneys. Practice in Seaford off 135 and in Islip.

Who are you talking about?

Turtle have a solid 2028. Run for the hills before to late. 2 other turtle teams folded today.

Was it just the 2028 moose team or other/all grades as well?

What age groups folded?

Which teams ? So you ran to another B teams !

It would be nice if people could form coherent sentences

Exactly right. As long as your kid is learning, improving and having FUN.

There's too many teams out there for club owners to not pay attention to their kids and their product. That's why kids move.

What ages folded in Turtles ?

The only Moose team that folded was '28. Parents all seemingly got along. Kids all seemingly got along. There were plenty of practices, indoor and out, scrimmages, games, leagues and tournaments and head coach was ever present. travel distance for four kids was a headache, lack of playing time for a few and too great a disparity in skill between top and bottom of the roster, not to mention too many kids from one town conspired for the team to disperse. No daggers to throw. It just is what it is.

Where did all the top kids go?

Did no kids come to tryouts? Seems kind of petty… few kids leave so you shut down the team? I’d be real happy if I was one of the parents in it for the long run.

Heard Moose kids went to both 91 Venom and Surge, and S2S

Also heard lagacy lost a few kids

Who or you just talking garbage.

prob just talking garbage. still the 2nd best team on the island

Still the 15th best team in the country

Says who? Did I miss some rankings?

What teams did legacy beat. Please do not count ones out of state that 2027’s played.

You’re the only one who was triggered. Congrats.

MidAtlanric forum suggesting northern teams such as Venom or 2way go down and play FCA, Hawks, Madlax this fall. Sounds like what a lot of the older teams do. I think it’s a great idea

What 27 the only ones that have 27 is 91

No 27’s have ever played with the 2028’s. The same rebels parents trying to stir the pot. The 2027 team played at the same time as the 2028 team. Just a parent upset that their team didn’t fare as well in the tournament so they make things up...

If anything, 91 has a couple of ‘29’s, no 27’s

91 venom $3600
Surge $3200
Heard express was $3850

And play outside all winter! Have fun with that again

Top 5 went to venom
The only other top player on that team went to S2S 27 team

Did they leave the rebles?

Top 5 from who?

If you’re not gonna quote the person you are talking to it’s pretty hard to follow the conversation

I believe it. I don’t think legacy parents would allow it. They would speak up. 91 parents are probably too afraid to speak up, afraid their kid will sit or get cut so they probably stay quiet.

I assume moose.

Rebels only have 1 top player, can’t be talking about them

Mooselax

Lol I’m just asking where you randomly got 15th best from.

You should come down and play us! Crabs will destroy you! We’ve made more changes across our teams, including more out of state players and a lot more holdbacks so we’re ready to rule the other MD teams and you too! Go Crabs 🦀!

Beyond absurd comments. I highly doubt legacy or 91 have 27’s come play down. They simply don’t need it. However, Both programs have 2028’s on their 2027 rosters.

Agree w this. There are several kids that play up (“which is prob their real age anyhow”), but play at both years - so it looks suspect.

I know for a fact that 91 venom brings a 2028 that plays on 2027 team for some tournaments. I guess to them winning is more important than ethics.

Wait, they used a 2028 on their 2028 team? How dare they!

The kid "brought down" from the 27 91 team is a '28 playing up; No issues with that.

Where did the Rebels goalie and crazy mom wind up going?

Best Moose player went to S2S and will be playing up on 27. 3 csh kids and 2 huntington kids went to Venom.

My son went to the "tryout" for GSB club that's forming, maybe 20 kids showed up, some decent players out there. Hope they can put a team together, my son really liked the coaches, bunch of young guys. What's your guys thoughts on start ups like this?

LOL

A few of my friends went and all their kids loved the tryout and the coaches, from what they were saying was that if most of the kids sign up they should be a decent team, not competing with the top teams, but certainly a good foundation to start building off of. Connor will definitely draw people in with his name, and it sounds like he’s found a good group of coaches

Maybe they waited too long to set tryout date

Rebels goalie went to 91 venom. No need to comment on his mom.

For sure!
Id love to see them recruit some some solid Bs who are down to put in the work. They're not going to draw any top players or bench riding As but building a team with consistent high B skill set top to bottom lets them play everyone and make practices more efficient. I think this team is great opportunity for a kid who really loves the game and is confident enough to not worry that they're not wearing a big name helmet.

I think these teams always start out great. Coaches are super into it and price is usually great compared to other clubs. Unfortunately what happens is that the kids get older and get better they start looking for some “name brands”. As a result these teams eventually fall apart. If you like the coaches and club then go for it.

Express North Black out of CT/NY is a team to watch this year. Beat LI Express, Legacy, Sweetlax 2x, And FCA md this summer. Lost to 91 venom 7-4 and Madlax 6-3 at NLF. Up 3-2 on Madlax in the second half.

Express North 2028 will be a team to watch this year. Beat LI express, Legacy, FCA md, and Sweetlax 2x this summer. Lost to Madlax 6-3 in NLF semi finals, up 3-2 in second half.

Hence mooselax

What teams did moose go to? How many went to venom and surge?

They were impressive

Hence igloo

Check the ages

Got blown out by the Annapolis Hawks

This is club lacrosse how dare you mention ages

They never played Annapolis hawks that was eclipse that got blown out

The only team that makes express N look young in the tristate area is 2way. Actually 2way is even old compared to the mid Atlantic.

Ouch

Thanks for the Express North game by game update.I bet that felt good typing. Can't wait to see what the 2way and Express North rosters for World Series will look like when the 28's time comes...I assume they will each just send their "29" team to compete on age in the '28 bracket and their '28 teams get to go this year with the 27's to be eligible.

Did the Mooselax coach's kid join venom and take coach dad with him or was ML always on the way out?

Funny that LI teams usually have kids from the age older eligible for the World Series…

a deal was made between ML and the massapequa venom coaches. venom had to take both boys as a package deal. very shaddy stuff going on.

Had to? Or wanted to due to the fact that they’re excellent players with a great person as a father.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"a deal was made between ML and the massapequa venom coaches. venom had to take both boys as a package deal. very shaddy stuff going on."

"Had to? Or wanted to due to the fact that they’re excellent players with a great person as a father."

Original poster is clueless and clearly also a donk and angry at life. Venom recognized the talent and wanted them on their team because they will make Venom better and help them win. THAT is Venom's primary goal. Nothing shady. Venom recognized them as strong players and good kids and family years ago!

Somebody is not happy with the herd lol

They’ll just sit and watch like everyone else except for the chosen few.

Time will tell

Yes in deed. Ya Herd, ya Herd.

feel bad for the moose that were displaced

is it really shady though? None of these teams are created based on merit

why not just replace the kids that were leaving via the summer tryouts? I bet Kevin Durant had a hand in these kids going to Venom.

Moose was put in a tough spot cause S2S wanted there 4 port kids cause the varsity coach coaches the krackens. So once they left the coach of Moose was not sure what was going to happen to the team. So some of the top players tried out for other clubs. And 3 of the top players made venom. Moose could not recover from losing 7 of there top players to maintain as one of the top teams in the 28’s. There was no back door deal for his kids to go to Venom. The team was falling apart and everyone was looking to go somewhere else. His 2 kids are good enough to play for venom so they took them, who wouldn’t . But to call this shady is ridiculous. It’s people who have no clue what’s going on who hear one thing and assume. The coach from Moose is one of the best guys you will ever meet. He truly cares for ALL the boys well being. Plus why would he want his team to fold that he puts all his heart into. Say what you want cause I know you all will but the Coach from Moose is one of the best coaches on the island!

Well said!

Could not have said it better myself. Great coach and man. Has all the kids best interest at heart.

Another dense comment

i agree he was very good to the program, made them a very competitive team. too bad it had to end. best of luck to all the kids.

With all of the rebels are going to be great talk a few weeks ago, curious if they picked up any top kids. They have gone very quiet

I’m kind of new to travel. The us club rankings it seems as far as LI teams 91 and express are consistently in the top 50 and high up for many age groups. Besides the legacy taz team what makes legacy considered an elite program? I don’t see many of their teams ranked in top 50.

What tournaments are teams doing this fall?

What tournaments is your team doing?

With the exception of taz all their other teams are a step below 91, Express and Igloo. Some of their teams are really far below those three. Not a bad program. But I definitely would not call it elite. It also seems like they give you a lot less tournaments than other programs

I am an outsider but agree that ML had a great coach who seemed like a nice person who cared for the kids. Very disappointed to see their club end this way. Makes me dislike team 19 even more. Rooting for Express, S2S, legacy, igloo and turtles to upset them!

Igloo should not be in the conversation with 91 and Express in terms of the level of the program consistent throughout age groups. Not even remotely...

Moose Club did not end. One team dispersed. 91 across all age group is like they yankees and most root against them for that reason, and for the general swagger they exude (both kids and vicariously living parents).

Lmao they lost to express by a goal 2x last season on the 28 level

That’s fair. But legacy isn’t really close to those three organizations at most age groups. Of course with the exception of taz

Legacy does plenty of tournaments actually. I agree with express maybe being better at more grades than legacy but igloo??

The thing that matters is getting recruited and making it to the next step. Legacy has a ton of d1 and other division commits and puts kids in the right showcases to show themselves.

The thing that matters is your kid enjoying the experience. He'll decide what he wants to be. All the top programs will help develop and market players. Some programs just have more talent than others because of their brand. There will be plenty of D1 studs who will stand out from mid tier club teams...

US Lacrosse Rankings
2022- 1st 91 Smash
2023- 1st 91 Bandits
2024- 1st 91 Wolfpack
2025- 4th 91 Shock
2026- 43rd 91 Storm
2027- 1st 91 Machine

Everyone else is chasing scraps!

91 is so where it’s at…

I'm a '28 91 parent. Act like you've been there. No need to be posting that and especially the "everyone else is chasing scraps" statement. Stuff like this is what gives the whole program a bad rep and stereotype.

Who cares anyone ?

If you look at these team’s rosters from 6th grade to where they ended up, you’ll see there’s a good chance your kid won’t be on that team when it counts. The scraps you refer to are the crumbs from your own organization- good luck getting on the field this year and in the future, when it matters. There’s a reason each team has so many Coaches, it’s to make sure their own kids stay relevant in such a cutthroat program. The Bandits might as well be a National team at this point. There are so many ex-Bandits and ex-Smash players out there, they should form their own club. Some are still on 91 B teams, replaced by out of state kids, but still paying the big bucks - the ultimate definition of ‘scraps’.

2026 43rd? Ouch

Yes!!!!

It’s probably not even a 91 parent posting

That’s sad if true

First off , if we are speaking about the program it’s self and not about teams individually, then 91 should not even be listed! Completely unorganized, last minute practice and tournament changes! Communication dose not exist with this organization. Have kids on all different teams playing on all different teams at all different tournaments. I can say that igloo is an elite organization communication is unbelievable tournaments and practices are listed way in advance (with very little changes) that’s an outstanding program of course on every organization not all teams are top teams!

91 has the name so they will keep getting top kids but there is room for other programs that are dedicated to get your kids competing with the top team and get them where they want to go

Hilarious

Any tri state teams doing any tournaments in MD/DE this fall?

91 pays into the pockets of US CLUB LAX!

Almost always the best, every year.

2028- 1st Annapolis Hawks

Venom will be 3rd at best.

Thanks Maryland dad!

Oh no, potentially 3rd at best in the whole country (with ZERO holdbacks)! Lacrosse is a national game now, that means they are an elite team with elite players. All good here on LI.

Correct

Signed- Maryland Dad

Team igloo Frost... is that team replacing northmen or polar or is that an additional team??

Changing their name won't help their coaching or their relevance but probably will be a justification to sell everyone new uniforms, gloves and helmets...

B team

Polar caps is the B team. Now they have 2 or renamed?

The MD 91 dads know that the 91 MD team is not even in the top 25 teams in Maryland let alone the country.

Madlax 28 parent here. Express North is a good team. Look forward to playing them again. I suspect at NAL this fall. Cheers.

What does Maryland 91 have to do with this post?

Surge and Moose conversations were replaced with Maryland conversations

If your kid has it he has it. There are plenty of D1 and d2 recruits that come from teams on LI that are not in thr perennial top 3-4 teams always mentioned as well as club teams all over the country that people never talk about. Plus it is not like these kids are getting much for their commitment of their time to the school anyway.

Mid Atlantic forum……



For your enjoyment, here is the Bored Dad fall rankings preview. Ranking in parenthesis is the last ranking from the summer from me.

1. Annapolis Hawks (MD) (1). Put together the strongest season of any team last year. Outstanding offense and goalie. Solid in the midfield and defense. Word out of Annapolis is that they’ve added some key contributors this fall. Loss to Madlax at NLF is maybe a little concerning, but still not enough to knock them out of the top spot.

2. Madlax (VA) (2). Huge win to end the year at NLF. Very well coached and solid at all positions. Word out of McLean is that they retained all key players but didn’t add a lot this off-season so will be riding with basically the same group.

3. Team 91 (NY) (3). Very well coached and solid at all positions. Very physical. Word out of strong island is that they’ve upgraded talent significantly this offseason. They were maybe a little undersized relative to the top MD teams last year. (I can hear LI dads yelling holdbacks from here.). I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this team is at the top of the rankings at the end of year. (MD teams - we can’t let that happen.)

4. Next Level (MD) (4). Up and down team but no team except the those above them have shown they can win against very top competition. Had wins against Team 91 and Madlax but a bunch of surprising losses too. Very athletic in the midfield and physical. I would not be surprised if they ended the year top 3 or outside the top 10. Word from Bethesda is that they added a couple pieces, but mostly bring forward the same team.

5. 2way (CT) (5). Very solid results over the summer but didn’t play any of the top 4 teams or anyone from MD, so a little untested among the best teams. I don’t know anyone plugged into the CT lacrosse community so no idea about additions. Come to MD 2way, we want to see what you’ve got.

6. BBL (NJ) (6). Big and skilled. Struggled some against the very best teams, but clearly a top team. I’m not plugged into NJ either, but I’d expect talent in that part of the country to consolidate here.

7. FCA (MD) (9). I’m moving FCA up because I think the coaching change is going to make this a better team. Very skilled at attack. Good at FO and goalie. This is a team where the talent level seemed better than the results (outside wins against NL). Tournament schedule was a little weak last year.

8. Express North (NY) (8). Skilled team. Another team pretty solid across the board. Some uneven results, but a number of nice wins. Strong tournament schedule last year.

9. Legacy (NY) (7). Very uneven results but ended the year strong. Word from LI is they’ve added some nice pieces. Will they be able to retain their top players against the LI machines of 91 and Express long term? I doubt it, but I have them second on the Island for now. I think I had them slightly too high last year, so moved them down a little, but 7-9 all had pretty similar results last year so it could be any order.

10. Long Island Express (NY) (13). Moving them up based on word from LI that they’ve upgraded their roster. Had several strong athletes and good size when I saw them play. Very uneven in results, but I would expect Express and 91 to consolidate LI over time.

11. Freedom (PA) (10). They were an honorary HOCO team last summer with the amount they played HOCO teams. Really good FOGO and some good shooters. Well coached. I don’t know the Philly scene that well but would expect them to consolidate the Philly market as the other Philly teams are all at least a notch down.

12. 3D New England (NE) (12). The 3D teams don’t always have stable rosters. But this team played enough together that I’m including them. Seem to be the top dogs against NE competition. They were a little more uneven when they played NY and south teams.

13. Thunder (GA) (unranked). Their results were okay, but probably not good enough to be top 15. But anyone who watched the Atlanta based teams last year had to be impressed with some of the raw athletes they had. My guess is that Thunder consolidates talent and this ends up being a team no one wants to play. I expect we will see a California team and a Colorado team in the top 10 by the end of the year too.

14. MadDog West (unranked). Maybe more of a tournament team than a stable roster, but played enough together that I’ll include them. Big and strong athletes. Wouldn’t be surprised if they move way up.

15. Crabs (MD) (unranked). Have they improved enough to include them? Some Crabs dads think that is this case. We will see. Had some nice wins - mostly over True.

Watch list - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite Colorado, ADVNC. Who else?

National teams - Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National. yes these teams will probably be good. No I am not including national teams in these rankings unless they consistently play together.

Always a good read. I’d say both express may be slightly ahead of legacy. 3D New England probably not in top 15, they should be in with laxachusetts etc. A few of these teams square off in jersey in 2 weeks.

Great read actually. How does this person know so much????

There needs to be a fair , balanced and knowledgeable LI dad to rank LI teams

1) venom
2) legacy
3) express
4) everyone else

1) 91 Venom
2) Legacy
3) Express
4) Rebels
5) Rush
6) Igloo
7) Turtles

Teams to watch - S2S, 91 Surge, BTB

Venom


Legacy
Express
Rush
Rebels
Turtles
Igloo
S2S
Surge
E3
Legacy b
S2S b
24

Fixed it

Rebels beat Rush. Rebels also beat Moose which beat Rush. Igloo and Turtles are equal. Surge is the one to watch out for. Might want to redo your list.

Rebels so 2018

Flip flop rush Rebels and surge and S2S and that looks like the beginning of fall. Most teams that are good will be a Columba’s dayl(legacy) Oct 16th blatant(Rebels) or Oct 30th tristar(express). These three are pretty fair scheduling. My lacrosse tournaments(91) on other hand really give home team easy schedules. Not sure why as they are always good.

Rebels team had one nice upset last season but took a step back post tryouts losing their goalie who was far and away the best player on their team keeping them in games...

Legacy is about to run the table at Atlantic Elite. 2028 Bracket looks competitive:

Legacy
3D New England
Mad Dog West Elite
Next Level

S2S and Surge went 1-1 last year. S2S picked up a few Moose boys this year. I would say S2S is ranked appropriately, surge close behind.

About?

Rush above express
Turtles above rebels

Next Level is the only team that should give Legacy trouble.
I think NL has the edge.

“beginning of fall” being key. Fun to see where they end up in spring.

Where is this being played?

Kids come and go. Some switch teams over and over. Never the kids decision. No matter what parents say. Undoubtedly they live through kid. It’s very very sad. The kids that are pretty good and work really hard. With living in today’s world of getting everything given to them. Those kids become good and successful college players and adults. Some parents are in for huge shock when kids eventually go to college and play lacrosse. Try complaining to the coach when your son is not starting. College coaches do a lot of research on kids. If your that non stop complying parent, good luck. Enjoy this time as it flys by. Going fishing, have a great weekend and be blessed by every minute you spend with your kids.

Chaos in Smithtown. Sad but the 2028 Smithtown team has completely fallen apart. There are only 4 or maybe 5 kids left playing with the Smithtown Travel program, It is now confirmed that their goalie is done and another top player is playing for Mt. Sinai bc his club coach (Rebels)is also the town coach. Sad to see town team like this completely fall apart.

Legacy and Rush should combine like they did at the older age group. Take the best from each and sprinkle in a few other top kids and that is a top tier squad.

Smithtown is always a mess. The East West thing kills it and the power struggle and politics. "Smithtown" youth is always good because it is two pretty big high schools for one youth program then it splinters as they hit jr. high. Same with Hills...
Year in and year out almost every year. 2nd grade town tourney champs and in a few short years they become a bitter also rans.

There are a few town teams without lacrosse teams. Tough sport unless you love it not enough kids.

I heard a bunch of the 2028 smithtown kids are playing up. Maybe that’s why no team.

Legacy and Rush will be one. Done deal, not sure if before or after this year.

Surge went 1-0 last season vs S2S
They did a scrimmage in the fall with one ref and the time was not even accurate. S2S did win that one. But it was a pick up game. Surge also added 5 players from venom. I think surge is above S2S

Sounds crowded

Did Rush kids leave To play for GSB or are they playing for both teams?

The 2 kids not playing for smithtown are probably the 2 Rebels kids

2028 Smithtown parents are just toxic! They all think little Johnny is going to the PLL!

You hit it on the head. 2028 Smithtown is very good. Prior turtle coach and some crazy parents had hand in breaking all up.

Now turtles above Rebels is just funny. Got smoked every time they play last year. Turtles unfortunately will be extinct soon. Rebels added 8 teams. Turtles lost teams. I would stay off the road today because the Rebel bus is coming. Get on or get run over.

Don’t we all

NJ.

Rebel 2028 team better find more wins this season or they will implode as well. They lost the 2nd best goalie at this age level. That’s a huge loss and doubtful they gained much.

Go back to 91 that statement is not true.

That’s funny b/c the best goalie at this age probably isn’t even playing goalie yet. These kids are 11 (some 12, since holdbacks do exist on LI) and the people claiming their kid is the best at anything at this age really need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Their kid is most likely a bench rider fill-in on a top team that carries way too many kids anyway. Check your roster numbers and make sure your video is ready for those precious 3 minutes your son gets on the field next summer.

Wasn’t this the crew that was always bragging about how they never lost a youth game? I thought they were going to be the first town team to win the World Series? 3 years later and now its over - elitist parents that couldn’t check their egos for the sake of their children, the only ones impacted by any of this.

So…..you’re saying they did not go 1-1. You’re saying they won one game and lost another, but the one they lost didn’t count because it was a pick up game with a ref???what??? Ok……

You’re nitpicking over who should be ranked one spot ahead. S2s picked up moose kids, thurge picked up venom kids….probably about the same then. Let the boys play and see how things wind up

I think we all need to take a vow to stop discussing the rebels.

Rebels are discussed because they are relevant. From the number of teams looks like they added 150 this year. A good number of programs went the opposite way. It must be because they are doing something right.

No, the 2028 rebels are discussed because they are so cocky for a team that has done a lot of nothing

Best 2 goalies presently. Better? Smh get off your soap box

Definitely not the 2 best. Have you been off LI at all? Play some Maryland and Philly teams before you start chirping about who is best at what. How are you even judging who is best? Scores? Record? If the ball never crosses midfield, does that make a great goalie? Both kids are good players on a great team, lets not proclaim they are the best in the country - you sound like a 91 groupie.

Your right adding 125 plus kids while others are in verge of collapse is not good. You measure a club on just wins. Rebels have got and will keep get wins. More importantly they run the best all around club. Your jealous that s your problem. What other reason to bash them.

My child is not on the rebels but they have good program can't judge someone because you don't like there parents. If that was the case I wouldn't play with a lot of teams because parents in Lacrosse are the worse talk about kids like it's nothing. You people need to grow up and just let the kids play.

Rebels continue to get better each year. You all talk about them but they just improve year in and year out.

ok
1) rebels
2 )venom
3) s2s
4) legacy
5) express

I tired not to comment but every time I try to get out they stink me back in. Here is the deal w the 2028 rebels. Good coach, a few nice players with some decent results. The problem is the inferiority complex from their parents. They belittle the turtles, take shots at 91 and legacy and have zero ability to see their behavior as the a real issue.

91 goalie is the best. Change my mind.

Bingo

Rebels stink man. 2021/22 over 20 college commits each. By far the best all around program on LI. Please let me know of what program in 3 years have been this successful.

It is honestly 91 followed by Rebels and then everyone else is way behind. Rebels will be the top program in a few years.

Rebels has been saying that for 6+ years... You seem to haver forgotten about Express, Legacy and even Igloo... Keep the spirit though if it makes you feel good.

Rebels seem to think beating up on B teams makes them an A team. until they show up and start beating top tier teams at tournaments off long island they will always be a B team.

Rebels have been around for 3 years…

6 plus years for a program that’s starting its 3rd or 4 th year. Get a little confused with covid years. So as an outsider they are doing well. Not the best , but one improving the most this year. How’s that, think that’s more accurate.

Umm I’m sorry, but they’ve gotten worse each year. First year they came out swinging. The team was very good. Mostly made up of a now defunct Smithtown team. Second year half that team went to the turtles. Turtles were not good at all and rebels were ok. Beat B teams and lower lever A’s. Nothing impressive other than the parents rhetoric. At every tourney, “ OMG this program is the best, the coaches are excellent, we are amazing” yada yada yada. Then come tryout season those same people. Including the very vocal and rebels cheerleader goalie mom jump ship. Now this year they’re limping into a lax season missing their best key players. All of the semi decent kids that would’ve played on the B team also jumped ship. So please, just be humble. Stop saying this nonsense and then maybe and hopefully the board will stop talking about your mediocre program.

Next Level (MD/DC) parent here. NL 2028s play this weekend in Atlantic Elite tourney in Tinton Falls, NJ. First tourney of Fall for the boys. Welcome this board's thoughts on the 2028 squads for Legacy and NJ Express. We assume very good competition from both. General thoughts on the clubs, who throws best tailgates, etc., also welcome. (NL28s also play Mad Dog West Elite and 3D New England.)

Legacy is solid, well coached, tough. Early line NL-1.5
No idea on jersey express

Next Level will take home the ship

Why is Next Level going to NJ in the fall fir a Sat/Sun tournament? Don’t their kids play other in season sports? So many options local on Sundays in October against better competition

Easy with the better competition comments. With that being said, I agree so dense to be playing now. Football, soccer, hockey anything but tournament format lacrosse. Parents are suckers for allowing this.

Re: Rebels being around for 3 years not 6. Yes, sorry, just outlaws in different colors, same rhetoric...

Think 2028's are a little better this year. Here is a Example of Goalies In 2016 so called top 4 Goalies
1) Hardly every played in college
2) Again Hardly ever played in college, did transfer for 5th year and played
3) Played and petty sure has another year
4) Ended up with Best career of all.
So please stop saying who the top goalie is at any age, all shakes out in college at all positions

What a hammerhead comment.

So how you ranking goalies if one goalie gets 5 shots and 1 goes in and second goalie gets 12 shots and three go in who Better. Stop the ranking or look a shot to goal percentage.

Allowing their kids to play the sport they love. Suckers!

Next Level is going to crush everyone. Why don't you leave your big goalie, that fast middie, and anyone with a mustache at home? I haven't seen 3D New England, but most of the Atlantic Elite groups are solid humans on the sideline. In fact, if you want to go hang out and keep the boys up late, I'm happy to stop by the hotel with a bunch of Redbull.

So venom cut those 5 and they went to surge. They will definitely be improved.

my money is on legacy over next level, 6-4.

Do Next Level and Legacy have any common opponents from this past summer?

Re common opponents question: Next Level played 91 Venom twice (1-1 record), Jersey Express (1-0), MadLax (1-0), Rebels Hydra (1-0). Could be missing some common opponents from summer.

I don't see a world in which Legacy beats Next Level. But it's anyones game in the fall.
Legacy lost to 91 Venom 4-8 when I last saw them.

The MadLax win was a one point game in a mess of a Hersey tourney. Great game.
Be interesting to see them go back at it.

Fake news

Rebels never lose

91 parent

good luck listening to the dad of the legacy fogo his weekend. i'm sure he'll be chirping or crying about something

91 parents need to Stop bashing people and kids like don't you have anything meanful in your life that you don't have to live threw your kids lacrosse career. Half you 91 parents don't even look like you played sports.

there was no bashing of kids, just parents who take 11 year old lacrosse way too seriously

Lax is life for 11 yr olds

No bashing of kids go back an read some of your post.

Good call on Next Level

What birthdates are considered holdback for 2028? Or what birth year is considered a holdback for 2028

anything before sept 1 2009

Legacy.

Yikes. Really second or third best team on LI?

Is that NY or everywhere

That's football lol

Second or third best in LI is a stretch. Legacy has a fine set of teams and keeps good company. Till they consistently beat91, LI Express, and North Express they can't really make that claim. You just look silly predicting a big win over NL right before they lose 9-1 against NL and 0-3 on the day (NL, 3D NE, MD West.) And no- I'm not bashing kids or Legacy. My kids are not on a LI team (or NL) and we like playing Legacy. They are solid competition.

Anyone have the breakdown of the Next Level - 3D New England game today?

A friend told me to check this forum out. I did, and I’m not sure if we are still friends. I am curious though…how many of you don’t believe that the posters aren’t just disgruntled parents bashing their own clubs or clubs that maybe haven’t played their kid “enough”? Lol

I mean for real, parents! Get off this forum and go enjoy the game. No recruiters are out here watching your 11 year old.

No doubt they are solid competition. Li express has to show consistency as well before they are considered 2nd best. The only team for sure on the Island is team 91. Like them or detest them that’s how it is for now. One tournament does not a season make. Let’s see how we all fair come summer.

any '28 goalie looking for a new team?

Legacy is a top team at this age. May not win every weekend bc this age is very spread out. I have a feeling once they merge w Rush like the older group they will be taking home more championships.

legacy is very good, but will not beat 91

You got married and no one thought that will happen so don't make statements like this and just let the kids play anything can happen like the ref helping change the rules of the tournent.

Save the rankings bs and if you must, at least wait till games are actually played. That being said, give it up Lunacy Dad.

Bingo

i believe they are referring to one of the massapequa guys

Pequa... lol, The Smithtown of Nassau County.

Whoever is calling out parents on this board, perhaps you too are crazy. Take a look in the mirror bud.

Never had any issue with Pequa folks. Smithtown coaches and parents, based on sideline behavior and comportment are in a league of their own.

Just heard Nassau and Suffolk PAL are joining up this year. Should make for some strong competition. Top 10 2028 Long Island PAL teams?

what teams are playing in the columbus day tournament?

In no particular order: Harborfields, West I, GC, Manhasset, Wantagh.

In Suffolk it’s usually smithtown and East islip. There is no smithtown 2028 this year from the sounds of it.

In Suffolk it’s usually smithtown and East islip. There is no smithtown 2028 this year from the sounds of it.[/quote

Yep because of the toxic 2028 parents who think little Johnny is getting a D1 scholarship!

That stinks. There are enough teams in Nassau for PAL. No need to drive more than 15/20 minutes.

When does schedule usually come out for Columbus Day tomorrow?

There there, get it out. Get it all out. You’re going to be ok.

Do you think that’s why?

"Harborfields, West I, GC, Manhasset, Wantagh."

I would add Port Washington and Massapequa.

Question GC's inclusion.

I agree — who thought this was a good idea? They should make the leagues smaller - Western Suffolk, Central, and Eastern. Who wants to travel from Rockville Center to Westhampton for a youth lacrosse game? What is the benefit of a larger league other than for those involved to pat themselves on the back and brag about creating the largest youth lacrosse program in the country? I guarantee cost of participation goes up along with zero benefit to the participants. Thanks guys, super job.

I don’t 100% disagree with you. But they are making some town neutral sites in order to prevent teams from traveling way out in either directions.

It’s time for PAL to adapt to the times and the level of play. Modernize the rules and stop with the baby ball. Get rid of the pass rules, face off no matter the goal difference, clearing rules and please stop making the goalies wear shin and arm pads.

Yes it is totally going up, our town team already got the word!

I guarantee cost of participation goes up along with zero benefit to the participants. Thanks guys, super job.[/quote]

I don’t 100% disagree with you. But they are making some town neutral sites in order to prevent teams from traveling way out in either directions.[/quote]

Yes it is totally going up, our town team already got the word![/quote]

The fees go up every year, meanwhile the quality of Officiating and Coaching have plummeted. The better teams prepare their players for the next level and some even have Varsity players helping out, which benefits everyone. Other programs have no contact with their Varsity staffs and are manned by Dads who never played whose only motivation is to make sure their superstar gets his PT.

Manhasset is unbeatable.

What other changes for PAL are coming?

Agreed

Hills lax should be included in the discussion at this age group.

where is the schedule for Monday's tournament?

It will probably be posted in a few days on tourney machine

Long Beach, Oceanside, commack, and North Shore too

What travel team do the majority from that town play for?

And RVC

Aside from Legacy and prob Rush, who else is playing?

Prediction. Surge is going to topple their competition.

Shoreham Wading River and Eastport South Manor have to be included as top Suffolk teams

I guess most aren’t fans of PAL merging. But it is going to be nice to play some different towns that we never get to see. So the traveling will stink. But games should be more interesting.

I would hope so with bunch venom
and moose kids on their roster now

Exactly. Good for them.

Top 5? North Shore and Hills perhaps could be included in a top 25 discussion. Ditto for Beach and RVC...

Hills played N Shore last year. Someone get facts straight

tournament schedule is up

who takes the A bracket? Legacy?

Is that even a question? Rebels all the way!

2028 CAA winner will be Legacy
2028 MAAC winner with be Surge

Rush will win the Top bracket over Legacy.

Rebels over Legacy in top Bracket. Express and Rush in middle of pack. Prime time and Turtles struggle.

who has played who in scimmages this fall? i know gsb has a play date with lock jaw

You would think

If that’s the case then legacy better merge sooner than later

Do the math.... Rebels added 182 teams this year so they will definitely take home the ship

I’m going Express, surge

LOL! Someone's salty about their success

Any LI teams playing in the Fall Finale in NJ on November 6th? I saw Rebels "B" team is participating but they will also bring the "A" team so they can brag on Instagram that they went 3-0

Ready to finally surge… Let’s hear more about the Moose and Venom kids going there. How in the world did that happen? Moose was solid and Venom was venom. What kind of offer was made to those guys?

I was told that moose kids did not want to play on a “B” team. So they went to shore to shore.

It’s only 1 Moose kid.

I thought moose kids went to Venom?

Treading up Rebels- added 8 teams. trending down 91. Lost 2 teams and younger teams not good. Everything has a life, but nothing lasts forever.

Just my guess but the offer seems to be something like, would your son like a spot on surge? With the answer being “yes”

I guess they didn’t get the memo that s2s is a B team

If the venom kids that were cut went to surge, surge will be very good

Now maybe they won’t be

Anyone know just how many kids venom cut?

Only the sons of the now defunct moose team went to venom. Ultimately the guy “cared” about his team so much until he didn’t.

Wrong

my friend who has a son on surge says the team is good, they're in need of another goalie though

What’s wrong ? Correct me then.

Aren’t we all lol

7 or so Moose kids went to S2S.
1 Moose went to Surge
Venom cut 4 or 5 kids.
5 Moose kids went to Venom

Whoever is taking anonymous shots at a specific person on here you are a coward and of weak character. Take up a hobby and if your son is that into lax encourage him to work independently on his game so another travel team would take him.

Did 4 or 5 venom kids go to surge?

Weren’t they supposed to be good last year until they lost to every B team under the sun?

new sheriff in town, that won't happen again

Maybe. Who is looking?

Looks like Surge is

I believe 4 Venom kids went to Surge.

As a neutral observer I think Surge > S2S but they are in the same conversation so it is really irrelevant. Good luck to both.

Buyer beware - run fast and far from any 91 B team. They’ll promise you the world just to get your check, and everything will be all rosy through the fall and winter, but, you need to realize, you’ll aways be second fiddle in that organization: Venom is the priority. And those Venom parents will always look down on your team b/c, deep down, they know next year their kid will be the one cut for a holdback. Never any loyalty at 91.

you couldn't be more wrong about this team. i agree that there are some B teams that get no love but that usually happens when the coaches are not commited. the coaches and parents on this team are awesome. they coach these kids hard and are making them better. its not about the organization, every organization stinks, but its about the coaches. these guys are great. i agree, everyone who is on venom that doesn't play a lot will be on this team eventually. i'm really happy with the direction this team is heading.

Who gets more forum time… Rebels, Surge, Moose or S2S…. I don’t think any of the aforementioned have ever won anything

WHO CARES IF THEY HAVEN'T WON ANYTHING

TRIGGERED???

It’s all about having fun and getting good exercise

What kids went to gsb?

Most GSB is 3-5 kids from different PAL teams, the biggest collection is kids that didn’t go back to the Rebels

From most estimates it appears that 7 of the top 8 Long Island teams and Primetime will be at Columbus Day, it should be a fun day of lacrosse to watch. I’m surprised to not see Igloo in the A bracket, I’m guessing they didn’t have a good recruiting year?

This is their B team playing

Correct the Northmen are their A team.

I do agree it will be a fun day of lacrosse. While it is very early it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out. Express legacy and the Rebels definitely under the most pressure to show well.

Can express show up and win this tournament in convincing fashion to show they belong in the conversation with 91, 2way, Hawks and Madlax?

Legacy had a tuff first game a few weeks back but played better in games 2 and 3. Did they add enough in the off-season to provide their 1’s enough support?

Which bring us to the Rebels. Always a ton of we belong chatter out of their camp. Had one of the stronger groups back in 2nd &3rd grade, but that’s a distant memory.

Best of luck to all and a a reminder to the parents you will get crushed on this forum come Tuesday, so behave yourselves.

What is GSB ?

Great South Bay Connor farrel 2028 team

Rebel been mediocre since the Turtle split. Kids followed their coach who quit anyway. Now they dont even have a Town team bc of that guy. Shame bc this was a good group.

great south bay. did the kids from rebels leave on their own or did they not make the team?

The kids that were cut from the A team **

Rebels B team players? I didn’t think Rebels lost any A team players except the goalie.

What is the name of express B team?

Columbus Day:
Rush has easiest schedule followed by Legacy.

O’Reilly. But you can call it O’chucks since their tournament roster is full of kids from chucks.

How have the past express vs legacy games gone?

👍🏻

#thewhollycrapicantbelieveIpaid4kforthis team

Lol - then still lose

Winner

Prediction:
Legacy 2-1
Rebels 1-2
Chucks 3-0
Turtles 0-3
Rush 1-2

I was nervous there would be no Express parents commenting today

I made the predictions and do not have a son on any of the teams participating today.

Then get a life

No chatting today. Guess this chat is filled with Legacy, Rebels and Turtles parents.

As predicted surge was the big winner. Only a matter of time before they are playing in A bracket.

Express 3-0
Legacy 2-1
Prime time 1-2
Rush 2-0-1
Turtles 0-2-1
Rebels 0-3

And you

Tough day in Rebel Land

If legacy and rush merge what happens to the A players that won’t play? Do they stay or go to the respective B teams? Or do those players move on?

Does rush have any players legacy would want?

Wow 1 fall tourney and throwing in the towel

Legacy was dominant early on (2-4th grade lol) when all the WI kids played well together and some kids were just way bigger than most other kids in the age. They were mediocre last year and that seems to be this year’s theme song as well.

It seems the best players on teams not 91 or Express in 3rd-5th grade usually migrate to those clubs from 6th grade on. For no other reason than parents want their kids on the best teams.

How did our favorite FO dad behave today?

All that chatter throughout tryouts about how the rebels are the next best thing and at Columbus Day they went 2-10 with the teams that played. The 2028 team got beat bad every game.

You can’t be serious? There is not a doubt at this time Legacy is a better team but to state that no one on the Rush team is better anyone on the Legacy team is lunacy. Rush has several incredibly talented kids

We’ll pass

Rebels 2030 first time out did fine. Got better each game. Will be a top team. 2027 should have beat legacy, and will. 2028 definitely underperformed. 2026 a solid B plus team. All played A except 2026. Turtles won 2 games and played all B.

That’s why they came in second place

And who made schedule?

Are the turtles your standard? Aim higher

We only care about the 28’s

Why didn’t Rush play Express in championship game?
Express came in first. Rush came in second.

did they decide that the legacy/express game would be the championship game?

Rush hung around to play the championship game and express left with t shirts, mistakes were made by the event organizers

Turtles definitely not the standard lol.

Technically the championship should have been Rush vs Express based on pool play.

Can ask a question? When was the last time the best team on Long Island has not been 91 or Express? It’s an odd thing, but the other clubs on LI get tons of talent early on and by middle school it’s 91 or Express. I would love to see more clubs with top teams, but doesn’t happen.

AA- Venom Express Legacy
A- Rush Rebels Turtles Igloo (Northmen)
B- Surge, Legacy Igloo S2S Express Recon 24 Empire ETC...

Not ranked in any order by level. Just seems there are 3 top teams and few in middle and then a bunch more at bottom.

i'm not ready to put surge as an A, but based on the scores of yesterday, they might be

Surge beats Rebels. Surge got better. Rebels lost their one player that kept them in games last year.

I would say so

You are correct. With the exception of Legacy Taz, legacy doesn’t have the track record that 91 and express have.
The reason, I believe, is the name of the club draws the top kids.
They see they can place these kids at good schools. Then the next tier player dreams of that situation so they want to be near it. I’m sure some get lucky some don’t.
The only way that cycle stops is if another club has amazing players committed to stay with them all the way. And they can place them/ show them as well as 91 or express can.

Does anyone know how to get the tourney machine app to update the scores from yesterday’s Columbus Day tournament? Only because the 2028s will be ranked on US club lax next year, based on all of this year’s scores. If it isn’t on the tourney machine app it may not get factored into the rankings.

Did legacy think they were in the championship game?

I don’t think the 2028 Rebels want those scores ranked

[quote=Anonymous]Does anyone know how to get the tourney machine app to update the scores from yesterday’s Columbus Day tournament? Only because the 2028s will be ranked on US club lax next year, based on all of this year’s scores. If it isn’t on the tourney machine app it may not get factored into the rankings.[/quo

i really hope you're being sarcastic.

The only teams that didn’t have a final score was prime time v turtles

I'm surprised the schedules aren't out yet for the tournaments this weekend

Express is right back at it going south for a heck of a weekend. That Sweet 16 tournament has some heat.

Cold spring harbor, port Washington and Locust valley as well

They beat every B team on Long Island
Get your facts right before you want to shoot your mouth off. But I guess when you hide behind Anonymous it doesn’t matter.

Another person who is clueless. The relationship between Venom and Surge coaches are great, and the parents as well. I love people we are not part of the program but think they know everything about it’

To anyone who has a kid or coaches the Express team…… why did they leave instead of playing Rush?

Which team are you guys talking about?

You guys would have gotten crushed.

They were in a RUSH to hit the LIE…ladies and gents, that’s all I’ve got.

Not an answer, Rush hung around and was ready

What is this referring to?

Blatant is up

6-5 prime time

How do they not play? That is some screw up by tournament and teams involved. Especially if legacy assumed they were in championship game lol

Venom and Surge have parties together to watch the Bachelor. 91 team building.

I’ll give you another chance at being funny. You could do better

Looks like 2way is playing again, where’s venom?

How was their last meeting? 2way win? Predictions for blatant tourney.
2way 3-0
Rebels 1-2
Be the best ( never hear of them) 0-3
Surge 2-1

Express O’Reilly 2-1
GSB 3-0
2way Carolina 1-2
Rebels wolves 0-3

Top AA: Venom, Express, Legacy
Top A: Surge, Shore 2 Shore, Turtles
Top B: Legacy, Express, E3

2way is not as strong as everyone thinks. They were very good over 2 years ago- last they surfaced they lost to Express and close games w a few other solid not great teams. Some great kids/players but not the powerhouse people think they are

Where are the rebels on that list?

After Rebels showing on Monday, they are not a top AA team.

Rebels are better than every team you rated A and B. Turtle man is back. Rebels crushed them and will do so again. Rebels have 3 of top 4 players out with injuries.

"After Rebels showing on Monday, they are not a top AA team."

No one will contest the statement above.

I don't think they even beat any of the three teams listed on the A list?

Every team has players out right now with injuries, it is football season. I know Rush had a bunch of key players not playing too and none of their games were even close

Is venom playing anyone this fall?

2Way signed up for a tournament to play b teams?

Just the one they tied to Turtles

Yeah I wrote that open for interpretation…. I was talking about none of the Rebels games were close at Columbus Day

2 Way should win. Surge will be tested after they had a good weekend. The Rebels are banged up so who knows. Be the best is unknown and should struggle I would assume. Perhaps the lower bracket would have Been Best.....

GSB is known?

Rebels ate banged up meaning what? How?
Excuses already?

This is a joke right? Surge will be tested? They won a B bracket at the first tourney of the year and now parents are ready for the WSYL. Please tell me this was written to stimulate discussion

Venom is playing in two events on LI in the fall. 10/30 and 11/11. The names escape me.

Triggered? Relax buddy.

Venom is playing in Octoberfest and the Fall Brawl

91 will have venom kids playing in Surge. Book it Danno

Please stop, they’re 2 separate teams and you will see only 3 venom helmets that are on Surge. Jealousy is not a good look.

Your Correct Danno!!!
There will be 4 venom helmets and one Moose helmet on the field this weekend with the rest all Surge helmets.
Cause surge just added 5 players and there new helmets are not in yet. Surge does not bring venom players down to help like all the other clubs do! Seen it happen with 3 other teams last season.
So book it Danno!!

And? They are the same PROGRAM right?

BTB are the Turtles

Are you new here?

Surge is Surge. The bright orange helmets are kids that played on Venom last year but are on Surge this year. Stop looking for excuses and pointing fingers. You are chasing ghosts. Oh yeah, as should punctuate any statement on here, Rebels are banged up this year, Fall, Winter, Spring and Summer. Is what it is.

is rush still waiting at the marina for express?

No one puts Surge in the corner.

Express put on those tee shirts and left lol

I guess I imagined Venoms best defender running to the Surge game to help out last summer at Mitchell Field. All teams do it, just own it. Rebels also sends "AA" players to "A" tournament when they do not have a tournament on the same day.

SO IF BTB IS THE TURTLES, WHY AREN'T THEY ENTERED AS THE TURTLES?

[quote=Anonymous]SO IF BTB IS THE TURTLES, WHY AREN'T THEY ENTERED AS THE TURTLES?[/quote

Obviously not the Turtles. Maybe a few kids play but not the team.

WHY ARE YOU YELLING

Express sent all the Chucks last year to B tourneys. And still lost.

Mostly turtles
Faceoff/goalie
All field starters plus a few different kids from other towns

The were at every big event and all the NLFs. What are talking about

I thought the turtle goalie is splitting time with GSB, or are we talking about 2 different kids?

Turtles will be extinct soon. If you have a son that’s good move on to better club. Been some leaving last week.

Injuries are part of game.,3 of top 4 kids hurt for Rebels. It’s called next up

Same goalie

which 91 team is playing in the halloween havoc?

Well if btb is kids from other clubs then maybe I’ll adjust my prediction.
2way 3-0
Surge 1-2
Rebels 0-3
Be the best 2-1

2 Way Black = 3-0
2 Way Carolina = 2-1
Be The Best = 1-2
Great South Bay = 1-2
Express O'Reilly/Chucks = 3-1
Rebels Hydra = 1-2
Rebels Red Wolves = 0-3
Surge/Venom = 2-1

BTB is all boys from Turtles, Smithtown, Massapequa and other A level travel clubs

it's like an all star team of 11/12 year olds

Every team is like an all star team

You must not have seen every team play...

WTH is the difference between AA and A, none

Not sure I understand, you said A players from A teams. How is Turtles in the same sentence

What ia the difference between "AA" and "A"? Are you kidding me?

AA = A
A = B

It’s 2021, no one wanted to hurt anyone’s feelings.

Yes!

If they are in the same bracket with the rebels they must be AAA!!!
Wait their AAA players are hurt so I guess they are AA ?

GSB went 3-0 in their pool but lost in the final to 2-Way Carolina.

Well not so much. No surprise 2 way took it. Surge showed they are a great B team, struggled in A. Rebels same as last year. Be the best too new but if majority turtles then same as last year.

What is the order of talent for Laxachussets? Black I know is #1........is White#2??

What team are you from?

I heard Igloo Northmen scrimmaged Shore 2 Shore today. Did anybody see the game? If so, how did the teams look?

Those records are incorrect. Can we have an updated summary since you are the Sixth Grade Lacrosse Analyst.

Rebels played 2 way very close. They are not top team on island. Right now it’s Express legacy rush Rebels. 91 has to play first before included. No one else in to 5

Black Pool
2-Way Black 4-0
Rebels Hydra 2-2
Be the Best 1-2
Surge 0-3

Orange Pool
2-Way Carolina 3-1 (lost to GSB in pool game but won in championship)
GSB 3-1
Express Orielly 1-3
Rebels Red Wolfs 0-3

And to add on the 2-Way Carolina vs GSB games GF and GA were 9 for both teams. Was a good match up in the Orange pool.

This is crazy talk

Last week the Rebels got blown out by Express, Legacy and Rush, this week they beat be the best and surge. I’m sorry Rebels parent, but overhyping your kids team is flopping. 91 is the top team in the northeast (or 3D NE), trying to put the Rebels above them is a joke. I’d put the betting line at 8 at tristar

Hey, 91 parent. Stop being so sensitive. The poster didn’t imply that any teams were better than yours. We all get it…91 is the best. Everyone else stinks. 🙄

Oh they were serious?!?!

First, this is hilarious. Second, Rebels don’t have enough offense to beat better teams.

Last week they didn’t have the right Goalie, this week they don’t have the offense - can the lax-obsessed wannabes please lay off the weekly updates? These kids are 11&12, noone is being recruited for at least another 5 years - find another outlet other than bashing 6th graders.

Rebels not the number 1 team (not even close). However, I saw them at Blatant. They are much better than their results from Islip. The team is huge.

That’s not bashing. That’s observing. Don’t come here to read then preach. Save it!

This smells of a dad who’s team won.

Hawks lost to freedom?

Reading comprehension problem?

The person clearly said they are “not top team on Long Island”.
Then listed the top teams, with Rebels being at the bottom. And stated that 91 has to prove themselves first. Most, if not all, agree they will prove themselves and be the top team.
The person never claimed they could beat the top teams.
The person never claimed they were the top team. Their results thus far confirm this.

So what’s confusing about the OP that brought about two responses? How is it that both of you misinterpreted a clearly written and easy to understand opinion? It’s bewildering.

I could be wrong but I think it’s:
Black
Yellow
Green
Navy

I think white is used when they use players from all the teams, like during the fall when they don’t have full rosters and don’t want to be labeled as “black” or “yellow”

But like I said, i could be wrong

Fun weekend of lacrosse. It’s difficult to know how much weight to put on fall ball since most teams are missing kids. But given that several teams have altered their rosters since the summer I think they have some weight as data points with current players. If nothing else, they provide fodder for speculation. Here’s my revised Bored MD Dad Rankings. Parenthesis is the prior ranking.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1). Quality wins over 3D New England and Long Island Express this weekend. Loss to Freedom is a little surprising, but I don’t think quite enough to drop them. Still, Madlax is gaining here.

2. Madlax (2). Quality win over Next Level and took care of business again. Strong argument that they have the best resume since the start of the summer. I’m keeping Hawks ahead for now given the two HOCO wins since I think those games are the best tests we have. But I think the Madlax dads have a good argument for the top spot and those HOCO wins will get stale eventually.

3. 3D New England (5). Team of the fall so far. So many quality wins already. Really impressive results against the strongest competition anyone has faced in fall ball. Definitely among the very best.

4. Team 91 Venom (4). This is a very strong team with a strong chance to grab the top spot at year’s end. They haven’t been out yet this fall, so we are flying a little blind, but I expect they will climb the rankings once they get started.

5. BBL (6). Very impressive showing this weekend in Delaware going 5-1. They have proven that they can play with the top teams.

6. 2Way (4). Went undefeated this weekend in Long Island so feels a little unfair to drop them two spots, especially since they took 2 of 3 from 3D New England this summer and split with BBL. Too bad we didn’t get a 2way and 91 Venom matchup this weekend to give us a better sense of where to put 2way.

7. Express North (9). Idle this weekend but move up two spots because of inconsistency among the rest of the teams in this range. We will see if they can earn it.

8. Long Island Express (10). They had a nice string of victories over LI teams on Columbus Day, solidifying them as the second best team on Long Island. Also had a nice win over Freedom this weekend, but sustained some losses against strong competition.

9. Next Level (8). Loss against Madlax this weekend. Keeping them ahead of Freedom based on the head to head this summer with them taking 2 of 3.

10. Freedom (11). They had the win of the weekend over the Hawks. But they also had four losses, albeit against very strong competition. 7-12 all seem very close in terms of overall resumes.

11. FCA (7). Probably not the start to the fall they were hoping for. By all accounts there are a lot of new pieces to this team and they might need more time to gel.

12. Mad Dog West (12). Idle this weekend as far as I know.

13. Thunder (14). Idle this weekend but get a shot against Madlax next weekend. I agree with those praising the athleticism of this team.

14. Crabs (15). Idle this weekend.

T-15. Legacy (14). Lost to Express on Columbus Day. Tough start to the fall so far.

T-15. Laxachusetts. Some nice wins up north this weekend, but no marquee wins. They seem to be trending in the right direction.

Watch list is same as before, but I’d add Iron Horse (TX) who had some nice results in Lone Star State and Kings (CO).

Also we should give a HOCO shout out to Bethesda who had some nice results this weekend. Good to see a team that stuck it out in Elite last year when others folding looking like they are improving.

Express moving up
Legacy moving down
Venom starts fall play next week at tristar octoberfest

Last week they didn’t have the right Goalie, this week they don’t have the offense - can the lax-obsessed wannabes please lay off the weekly updates? These kids are 11&12, noone is being recruited for at least another 5 years - find another outlet other than bashing 6th graders.[/quote]

That’s not bashing. That’s observing. Don’t come here to read then preach. Save it![/quote]

Guess what, Mr. Almighty Observer of 6th grade boys? Noone gives a rat’s behind about your observations. You must be a real treat around the dinner table: preaching to everyone about not preaching. Save it!

big picture people... as long as your kid is playing and having fun, thats all that matters. it doesn't matter who number 1-100 is, as long as your kid is playing.

What 912028 team lost in Halloween havoc this weekend?

That’s not bashing. That’s observing. Don’t come here to read then preach. Save it![/quote]

Guess what, Mr. Almighty Observer of 6th grade boys? Noone gives a rat’s behind about your observations. You must be a real treat around the dinner table: preaching to everyone
about not preaching. Save it![/quote]

Angry rebel mom alert

We all know exactly who it is because she never made it past 10th grade!

my guess is maybe the '29's played up?

Probably the NJ 91 2028 team. However, looks like they won the tournament.

It was 2028 surge in AA bracket and they went 0-3

Surge played at Blantant not Halloween havoc

Good morning

A womens lacrosse player lost her life in a "tragic accident" this week. Instead of bashing each other and worrying about the small stuff like rankings, etc... We should take a step back and remember what's truly important.

Oktoberfest schedule is out, looks good

Teams yes. Schedule not even at all

2 Way Venom and Rebels heads above the rest..

I’ll give it to Venom, they brought in some big power players this year, should be top team in the area if everyone can play nice together. 2way, we’ll see at tristar. How in your right mind could you put the Rebels up with them over teams like express and legacy? Let’s look at the Rebels so far, Columbus Day, 29 goals against 8 goals, vs express, legacy and rush. Then at blatant they finally got 2 wins vs BTB…. Ok and Surge (b team). Hopefully this was just someone trolling HARD

Rebels certainly have the easiest schedule at the moment for Tristar

Rebels are a much better team than their record at Islip. That’s the worst tournament because teams have only a couple of weeks to prepare. The teams that laying together the longest are most successful. Rebels will be a challenging team this year.

Look at express schedules in all divisions and let us know who has the easiest

"2 Way Venom and Rebels heads above the rest.."

Lighten up Francis! Everyone on here knows Rebel inclusion in the above group was meant as a joke...we get it. That being said, Express North is definitely a top tier team in the region.

Express plays Venom and 2Way, possibly the 2 toughest teams, nice try

Tourney postponed. Anyone have more info on new date?

Our coach told us 11/7

Why? Which?

Ask your coach

i guess the tournament directors didn't want to have another rebel/turtle game, so they canceled the tournament

Full turtles team would rock the rebels and be the second most exciting game but venom, 2way and Express LI and North remain top tier.

Turtles seriously, lost good kids and new coaches? Tourney is cancelled no new date. I know some divisions already have 4 way play days set.

Obviously not a Turtle parent.

Pretty sure the turtles roster has been the same since the beginning. Where do you get your info?
If you know the 4 way play days do share.

No WSYL next year, 2027’s will be the last to compete in it

No it's over they said last year was the last year.

The 27’s won’t compete. It’s over.

Don’t think any teams from LI in this age group would have been there anyway. Venom was the only hope from LI and that was asking a lot

2021 was the last year according to their public statement.

You mean 2026 was the last to compete in the WSYL. It’s over, the 27s won’t get the opportunity this coming summer.

Asking a lot??

This information board is filled with all negative people. What is so miserable in your lives that makes you type such notIntelligent things. Turn that frown upside down and go hug your kids before it's too late and there off to college.

*they’re

So the girls played in Huntington at queen of the island but tri star canceled??

S2S played Express North and LI today.

Who won

How did that scrimmage go?

How did the games go?

S2S got crushed, but it was good to play.

What were the scores of each game north and LI?

They lost to LI express by 1…north won by 3 or 4 that team was solid

How about LIE v North?

Heard it was

10-9 LI Express
11-5 Express North

Vs Shore2shore ^

North Beat LI by a lot previous week but LI was missing guys apparently

Express north is a better team than LI express? Where are they from?

That’s impressive by s2s against li express

Keeping it within 6 to North is more impressive than losing to a depleted express team by 1.

Yes, North is the better express team. Westchester/Rockland/Conn.

What do you mean “depleted” express team?

More excuses from Express parents; maybe North and S2S were missing kids too. I did see Mr. Shinny teeth shaking hands and laughing all afternoon with the parents I give him that the man's a master marketer.

Rebels Hydra in the Fall Finale in NJ this weekend. They want to go 4-0 and brag on social media or they finally realized they are a "B" team.

Did they lose kids in Delaware or Maryland?

Rebels Full schedule on Web site. 10 Tourneys, come join them.

Pretty sure Rebels replaced FF because Tri Star was cancelled

The recent tourney wins by Hydra, Frost and Lockjaw show that A/B+ Level LI teams can easily win tourneys off the island. It’s a good moral boost for the boys and the franchises rather than constantly battling it out with the top LI teams. We all know who the top teams are it’s all about getting your kid to play better. None of these games really matter.

When was hydra off the island this fall?

That’s impressive

I thought Venom was going to play at NAL in DE?

Or was that just a botc rumor..

We’re trying

venom playing igloo/express north/ and 2way on sunday

2way, 91, and Express north are sending their second teams to that tournament

says who?

what tournaments have igloo A played in this fall?

If Rebels does not win the Fall Finale this Saturday can we all agree they are a "B" team?

"If Rebels does not win the Fall Finale this Saturday can we all agree they are a "B" team?"

I could care less if they win or lose or what anyone calls them. History of attracting jerks, and not winning. Yours...

Is Tristar still a tournament or a play date in Long Beach?

Yeah 91 has both 28 teams in so not sure you know what you’re talking about

detest them all you want, they do not belong in that tourny. They should beat teams handily.

91 has 1 28 team going to “Elite tournament” and it is Surge. Express north sending second team as well.

The Rebels do not duck anyone. They play who ever is on schedule. This goes fore all ages. The growth of club, staff, practicing/training is 2nd to none. Goal is not to win youth championships, it to prepare kids for High school, and College. Club is treading up in huge way. Say what you want but it will not be stopped.

Says the Rebels Director.

Fall Finale Long Island Team Projections:

E3: 2-2
Rebels: 4-1
Express O'Reilly: 2-2

correct

Wonderful lol

Thanks PR guy !

Added over 100 kids this year. Do not need a PR guy. The Rebels are just doing it right. Anyone that says different is a disgruntled parent or a fan of another club. Most people that know the club and son participates would say it’s great. My son does and we love it. Non stop practicing, training and most of all teaching. Will always have a few that just nothing makes them happy and they live in the negative world. We are so glad that we came to Rebels. You all don’t know what your missing.

Actions speak louder than words PR guy. I hope you’re right but I will wait to see the performance results and sportsmanship of players and parents to change my mind.

Ok rebel fan

Hydra beating up on the B teams out in jersey

They got rained out last weekend and found the closest tourney to reschedule. They got games in and got better. Why always a negative comment.

It’s Pure Jealousy, Rebels are rolling.

That’s it haters, Rebels are back and definitely the top team in the area after today’s dominating performance

Lol

Troll

Lmao

Rebels joined this tournament so they can brag on Instagram that they won 4 championships. Instead of "B" tournaments why dont you play Lumberjax, Venom or 2Way? Why didn't you join the tournament on the 13th in Delaware? They play alot of easy tournaments. Parents are also disgraceful. Posting stats and videos of their kids on social media after playing in a "B" tournament. Step up your tournaments and play real competition.

Why so bitter? why do you care? It was an obvious mismatch. What should they have done? Pack up and leave? They had kids playing in different spots and got all kids on the field - something the top teams never do. 11 year old boys playing lacrosse on a beautiful Saturday in NJ. Noone was gloating or bragging - just enjoying a nice day of lacrosse. You sit here pouring over results and running to BOTC to smear and demean, step away from the keyboard and go have a catch with your son.

You do realize tri star was scheduled teams were playing top competition. This tourney was not scheduled. Then tri star was rained out so they added a last minute tournament. Also knocking them for using social media as a platform is just notIntelligent.

Keep knocking as Rebel Nation grows.

Igloo Northmen just lost to Surge.

Why are you so upset buddy. B teams or A parents should be proud of how their sons played. Look in the mirror and try and figure out why you’re so hateful towards these kids. By the way I’m not a rebels parent. But reading your post makes me think that you need some serious metal health help.

They played 2way twice and only lost by 2

Express coached in Jersey with the Boss on sideline and a bunch of Chuck kids playing. So they did not think a B tourney. Fact Fact Fact

Twice

I know we do this often. But what is the updated rankings for the top ten teams at this age group? Long Island teams

Venom
Legacy
Chucks
Rush
Can someone fill in the rest.

Eww

Surge is surging!

That’s not surprising at all. Northmen struggled last year and they lost players this year. Surge is not havoc. They are pretty good.

They should do well in fall brawl. They are playing weak B teams Thursday. True blue, be the beat red team, and rush tidal.

surge is not an AA team but not a B team. goaltending is an issue, besides that, they're not bad

Not fair to say that about Surge goalie, he played very well yesterday

Same can be said for teams like Rebels, turtles northmen s2s kraken. Too good for B not there for AA

Yes- kid stepped up and made some big saves.

One of the only comments that really makes sense. A few of those teams are like A-/B+ teams and have a tough time finding the right tournaments.

You hit the nail on the head. I wish we had tourneys for these teams. Unfortunately there’s too many egos involved. Everyone thinks they’re a AA team.

Agree

No argument there

Are the turtles serious playing in that tournament this weekend? Maybe play up a division or find a more competitive tournament

Surge goalie is one of the best. Only issue is that they only have one. So a back up is needed in the case of an injury. They are still looking. If your son is a goalie and isn’t happy with his current team. They’ll be happy to have you come down to a practice.

The Turtles were scheduled for Tristar and that was cancelled so they jumped into this tournament. Same thing Rebels did when Tristar was cancelled. It is the Fall, who cares about the tournaments. This is to see where players are going to play and to get the kids reps.

Turtles may also play E3 (East End Elite) in the championship if it works out. E3 is a B/B+ team and Turtles is an A team so it may be a good matchup.

Stop being haters!

Thought the same thing about the Rebels this past weekend.
Both teams should have played in fall brawl.