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Hahaha.....classic!! Isn't it funny how things are going nowadays -- It's funny, I played D1 (late 80s - against Gaits etc) and most guys on my college squad started lax in Junior High and 9th grade (even with the old equipment, late start, lack of tourney's, recruiting showcases and specialty clinics) .....would run circles around many of the 'athletes' of today - I don't know, as with the NFL, NHL etc. - Speaking from a current coaches perspective, the youth of the 60s-80s seem to be a tougher class of kid

Hahaha.....classic!! Isn't it funny how things are going nowadays -- It's funny, I played D1 (late 80s - against Gaits etc) and most guys on my college squad started lax in Junior High and 9th grade (even with the old equipment, late start, lack of tourney's, recruiting showcases and specialty clinics) .....would run circles around many of the 'athletes' of today - I don't know, as with the NFL, NHL etc. - Speaking from a current coaches perspective, the youth of the 60s-80s seem to be a tougher class of kid

Hahaha.....classic!! Isn't it funny how things are going nowadays -- It's funny, I played D1 (late 80s - against Gaits etc) and most guys on my college squad started lax in Junior High and 9th grade (even with the old equipment, late start, lack of tourney's, recruiting showcases and specialty clinics) .....would run circles around many of the 'athletes' of today - I don't know, as with the NFL, NHL etc. - Speaking from a current coaches perspective, the youth of the 60s-80s seem to be a tougher class of kid

Hahaha.....classic!! Isn't it funny how things are going nowadays -- It's funny, I played D1 (late 80s - against Gaits etc) and most guys on my college squad started lax in Junior High and 9th grade (even with the old equipment, late start, lack of tourney's, recruiting showcases and specialty clinics) .....would run circles around many of the 'athletes' of today - I don't know, as with the NFL, NHL etc. - Speaking from a current coaches perspective, the youth of the 60s-80s seem to be a tougher class of kid

Tennessee Jed is a funny cat, except when he kicks my dog!

The lacrosse that is played today is so different from the game we played when we were young. The sticks hold the ball better. The mesh pockets break in easier and more consistently. Conditioning and coaching are much better then in the past. The club scene and D1 scholarship situation has made lacrosse into junior hockey or AAU basketball. I don't think we will see the kid that starts playing in 6th or 7th grade and becomes a starter in HS anymore. All sports have become specialized. There is a lot of money to be made coaching and running these club programs. I was a three sport athlete in HS and played 4 years of football and lacrosse at the DIII level. I don't think DIII coaches would allow a starter to play football anymore.

But, us lacrosse geeks are from the no. 1 hotbed of the sport. Therefore, we are lucky. We should embrace the madness. As long as we keep everything in perspective, our children will gain a lot from playing lacrosse at high levels. They learn discipline and teamwork. They learn how to win and how to lose. They will make lifelong friends and will be exposed to a ton of nut jobs. And, if we as parents take the right attitude, and don't push our little Johnnies too hard, then our boys will love each of us for what we are doing for them. Club lacrosse should be fun and educational. Smart people will know when the game becomes "too much" for our kids. As long as we don't go overboard, both you and your kids will learn a lot from these experiences.

Well said!!!

The glory days always look more magnificent through the bottom of your row of empty pints.



7th grade Kids of today would destroy the Varsity teams of your days gone long by
:-)

Pretty personal and obnoxious reply to a post.

Sure you can.....physically today's player would
be pummeled. I'm not saying they're not bigger,
Stronger and faster....they are. They're just not
as tough. Toughness goes a long way. Intimidates
players. Makes all those skills of today a whole
lot more tentative......just an observation of today's
athlete.

Sure you can.....physically today's player would
be pummeled. I'm not saying they're not bigger,
Stronger and faster....they are. They're just not
as tough. Toughness goes a long way. Intimidates
players. Makes all those skills of today a whole
lot more tentative......just an observation of today's
athlete.

I'm not talking about talent. Any fool can see
today's lax players are much more talented.
But the older generation of players hit much,
much, much more than today. I think that would be a
great equalizer. That turns a skilled player into
a timid player......in any sport.

The glory days always look more magnificent through the bottom of your row of empty pints.

7th grade Kids of today would destroy the Varsity teams of your days gone long by
:-)

7th graders going up against 12th graders??? Maybe the above poster isn't the one drinking too many brews

Toughness then, as it is now, equates to aggressiveness which usually is displayed by weaker skill set players in the face of superior skills, as any well traveled long island club parent will tell you.
When the true age kids of Long Island play the reclassifieds of Md and Virginia etc; the older reclassifieds typically are playing where they are as their skills did not or could not match up with those of their peers. Thus the reclassified status. This aggression or "toughness" is relied upon and is inversely proportional to their lack of skills. The kids of Long Island who typically play up usually get much aggression from those who have to play down, as they still don't measure up skill wise. The only advantage they have is size and physical maturity.

Therefore, "the kids were tougher yesteryear" theory doesn't hold up and is typically an anecdotal glory days recollection that just isn't accurate.

And based on the results of the "skilled kids" playing the "tougher kids"; I'd say that the intimidation factor is also null and void.

Your argument thus is baseless as are your observations of today's athletes.

... said the guy who bet on the Broncos over the Seahawks.

Please tell us your are not serious. I know a lot
of the turtles players personally. As skilled and
great lax players as they are, they would get
Beat up physically by a varsity team. Stop putting
them up there. Not mature enough to handle
It. I know you'll say they beat some already,
Most of those varsity teams had their players playing
Varsity football or Varsity soccer. Not freshmen
football and freshmen soccer. Big difference.
So please stop with this nonsense already. They
Are GREAT 2017 players. And that's the class they
should be compared to.

Please tell us your are not serious. I know a lot
of the turtles players personally. As skilled and
great lax players as they are, they would get
Beat up physically by a varsity team. Stop putting
them up there. Not mature enough to handle
It. I know you'll say they beat some already,
Most of those varsity teams had their players playing
Varsity football or Varsity soccer. Not freshmen
football and freshmen soccer. Big difference.
So please stop with this nonsense already. They
Are GREAT 2017 players. And that's the class they
should be compared to.

They may get a physical game from a modern varsity program and games would be close. They would run circles around your varsity team from yesteryear.

They may get a physical game from a modern varsity program and games would be close. They would run circles around your varsity team from yesteryear.

This has to be a child saying this nonsense!!!!
The varsity teams of yesteryear would also beat
the 2017's of today. Please stop. I coach a prominent
2017 team and wish to remain anonymous.
Been around the game a long time. Been there and
done it. The varsity teams as you call it of "yesteryear"
would beat them and beat them handily. End this
conversation.

This has to be a child saying this nonsense!!!!
The varsity teams of yesteryear would also beat
the 2017's of today. Please stop. I coach a prominent
2017 team and wish to remain anonymous.
Been around the game a long time. Been there and
done it. The varsity teams as you call it of "yesteryear"
would beat them and beat them handily. End this
conversation.

Now you sound like a petty little person. Your still
saying a 14 yr old will beat a 17 - 18 yr old. Amazing!!!
I guess you win this argument. Congrats. The turtles
and the dukes of today would beat the ward melvilles,
garden city's, massapequa's, farmingdale's, yorktown's
and west genesee's of the 80's. Also the chaminade's
and st Anthony's. Do you realize how silly you sound now?

Lets just drop the age group difference and leave it at todays varsity programs of (fill in your district here) would beat the [lacrosse] out of same districts varsity program from 15-25 years ago.

You people are nuts!! I played for Melville back in the 80's under Couzzo. We destroyed every other team on LI. Our F/O guy was a state champ wrestler. Other guys were football superstars. My teammates were all self-motivated, in fact parents hardly even came to the games, and there were no training sessions and travel teams. Only wish we could bring it on! This is all nonsense. Today's teams may have better equipment, but our athleticism and heart are no match for today's spoiled, soft kids! My kids play for Melville now, and although they are still great, kids today are way more distracted with other things.

It's obvious that you will never get back from your long trip of self aggrandizement; and its a pity that you hold your son and his peers in such low regard in comparison to your former self inflated memories. Who exactly made your kid soft and spoiled?

Who cares who you played for? Did that some how infuse you with superhuman traits that will never be surpassed by the mere mortals of today?...the other teams of that time were equally as inept skill wise as yours. Your team may have come out on top, but it was in an era of lower skills being supplemented by aggression. (And what pray tell, does being a state champ in wrestling even mean? Did he "wrestle" the ball away with a half Nelson??)

"Football super stars. Destroying teams. Bring it on. No match to your athleticism and heart."
Do you see a commonality here in your choice of testosterone infused wording? If there was ever a case of narcissistic self importance; this is textbook.

News flash for you....you're old now and never in your wildest dreams will your inflated recollection of your abilities ever match the skill sets of the kids of today no matter how distorted your sense of self achievement is.

Truth.

It's obvious that you will never get back from your long trip of self aggrandizement; and its a pity that you hold your son and his peers in such low regard in comparison to your former self inflated memories. Who exactly made your kid soft and spoiled?

Who cares who you played for? Did that some how infuse you with superhuman traits that will never be surpassed by the mere mortals of today?...the other teams of that time were equally as inept skill wise as yours. Your team may have come out on top, but it was in an era of lower skills being supplemented by aggression. (And what pray tell, does being a state champ in wrestling even mean? Did he "wrestle" the ball away with a half Nelson??)

"Football super stars. Destroying teams. Bring it on. No match to your athleticism and heart."
Do you see a commonality here in your choice of testosterone infused wording? If there was ever a case of narcissistic self importance; this is textbook.

News flash for you....you're old now and never in your wildest dreams will your inflated recollection of your abilities ever match the skill sets of the kids of today no matter how distorted your sense of self achievement is.

Truth.

I laugh when I hear about these old tough guys. I worked in a jail for decades. Saw numerous kids from and areas who at the age of 15, 15 had survived gun shots and stabbings. Who grew up in conditions where you better learn to survive. Nobody's tougher then these kids so by your theory these bad areas schools would have whooped you outright

You people are nuts!! I played for Melville back in the 80's under Couzzo. We destroyed every other team on LI. Our F/O guy was a state champ wrestler. Other guys were football superstars. My teammates were all self-motivated, in fact parents hardly even came to the games, and there were no training sessions and travel teams. Only wish we could bring it on! This is all nonsense. Today's teams may have better equipment, but our athleticism and heart are no match for today's spoiled, soft kids! My kids play for Melville now, and although they are still great, kids today are way more distracted with other things.

We'll said. Problem is most parents of these fine laxers never played and are wowed by their skill. Which is great by the way but to say they can compete with varsity teams of the past is ridiculous. When they are in HS they might have quick hands and finesse but being it is a contact sport they are defiantly not nearly as tough and physical as we were. And yes I played at a Big HS on LI as well as a top D1 college in mid 80's.

Truth by who?
A loser who never played sports. My kids are not soft, that was a reference in today's athletes in general. My recollection is based on facts. sorry you were never part of some of the best teams LI ever saw. I'm not old as you suggest, and even if I was that would be insulting, but I guess that would be what I would expect coming from the parent of a bench warmer. The only reason someone would react with such anger! Try again

I certainly appreciate your tough former occupation, however that analogy is ridiculous.

Truth by who?
A loser who never played sports. My kids are not soft, that was a reference in today's athletes in general. My recollection is based on facts. sorry you were never part of some of the best teams LI ever saw. I'm not old as you suggest, and even if I was that would be insulting, but I guess that would be what I would expect coming from the parent of a bench warmer. The only reason someone would react with such anger! Try again

The game has progressed so far that a modern day girls varsity team would be a boys varsity from yesteryear.

[lacrosse] Hum.....I'm sorry, I dozed off during your brief and defensive diatribe out of sheer boredom. If you played lacrosse as weakly as your written retorts are; then it was you who was on the bench my clearly disillusioned and academically challenged friend.
As to your assumption that I didn't play sports?...I competed for a D1 school and achieved a national ranking of top 5 in my discipline. I would discuss Olympic trials with you but what would be the point. I'm just a bench warmer. As to my son? Let's just say his current status precludes me from saying more other than his his game has already spoken for itself and his commitment confirms that.
Et tu, Brutus?

(a) Did you read what you actually wrote?

(b) Do you really believe this?

(c) How would you prove it? The games are completely different.

Sure you did. I actually was on the Olympic team. Not just
the trials. And I'm real sure your son committed.
Did you ever play lax? Or are you determining your sons
Inevitable victory over yesteryears lax programs
on what you perceive is your sons vastly superior
talent. [lacrosse] him.....

Um...it is, [lacrosse] Hum....Brutus...

Why would I lie to you? I'm not the one making outrageous claims of superiority.

The fact is; the performances I did in the 80's at the peak of my NCAA rankings are now being surpassed by the best of the best of today's high schoolers; as my own performances did to the generation prior to mine. Kids are stronger, faster, bigger and yes, tougher. They train with the intensity in high school today equal to, or even superior to that of my peak training prior to the trials.

Cant you see? My ego is in check. I know I'm older. I know the kids of today would have kicked the [lacrosse] of my best performances of yesteryear. Facts are facts. And I love how much training principles and techniques have progressed and am happy to admire the strengths of today's young athletes. But I am not envious of, or belittling of their prowess as you are apt to be.

Face it...you were and are owned. Period.

Game, set and match.

Now spare us all from further boredom with your unstimulating rants.

(And you didn't even catch my little play on William's Brute' being substituted with Brutus. I'm so disappointed. We can surely agree that today's players are at least more intelligent in expressing themselves than you are today or in your yesteryear glory days.)

I tire of your meager attempts to claim a victory.

Next.

Good post right up to this:

"Face it...you were and are owned. Period.

Game, set and match.

Now spare us all from further boredom with your unstimulating rants.

(And you didn't even catch my little play on William's Brute' being substituted with Brutus. I'm so disappointed. We can surely agree that today's players are at least more intelligent in expressing themselves than you are today or in your yesteryear glory days.)

I tire of your meager attempts to claim a victory.

Next. "

Seriously, you just bring it down to the level that prompted you to post in the first place, negating your argument.

Just happened by this immature argument. Can't believe
It's actually going on. Two points: 1) who cares who was better. 2) this poster
May be the most arrogant, obnoxious ever to grace
this great site. Please, you understand you are on a 2023
Thread bragging about your Olympic dreams and that of your, from
what I gather, your 9th grade sons lax dreams. Do us all a favor and
go practice with your son so maybe one day he can be as
great as you think you are. Oh and by the way you're not
impressing anyone with your vocabulary. Just move on and go watch the
Olympics and think what might have been.

Read all the posts and it seems YOU were the bully.
Too much bragging about your accomplishments and
your ncaa rankings and how today's 9th graders could beat
past varsity teams. Then you were the one putting
other posters down. Diminishing their accomishments
In the sport of lacrosse when it seems you never played the game
but verbalize like you have. Your son is young, enjoy it. Stop comparing
him and his team to other older players who have already done what
your son is trying to do. Remember he hasn't done it yet.
Things change. Good luck to you and your family. Hopefully all his dreams
will be fulfilled in the game of lacrosse. That's what it's all about.
Not who's team would beat who.

Sorry...if anyone was put in their place it was you.
And you were the one who acted the bully. Your posts claimed how players
Past could not compete with a bunch of 9th graders.
100% false. But again you wouldn't know cause
you never played. Enjoy the Olympics. Dreamer.

Stop...you're being silly.

Now go and read the comics in the paper or watch cartoons on television. The plot lines aren't too demanding and you might even learn something. And be sure to tell your kids that the superheroes of yesterday could kick the [lacrosse] out of today's. :-)

(Can we please get a minimal IQ and reading comprehension score to be posted prior to posting on this site?)

Jeez....you guys are really sensitive about those glory daze (spelling pun intended for those who need footnotes)

This arrogant guy really thinks he is better and smarter than
everyone else. Still didn't answer the question: what
makes you an authority on everything lacrosse? Did you play?
Ir are you basing everything on what you read in books about
Lacrosse. It must be lax for dummies, cause that's how
you sound. Or have you learned everything that's needed
from the vast experience of your 14 yr old child. Yep your the bully.
Game. Set. Match. Good night Irene. And with that
I shall sign off for last time. Bye bye bully.

Your last rant mplies that you've signed off before? Stick to your guns. You're the tough guy from the '80's. your new name will be Biff. (Named for the greatest has been bully of the '80's)
Please see YOUR original post regarding the toughness of your generation vs the softness and spoiled nature of this generation. I dint chime in until your boast prompted me to refute our silly statement. You couldn't say anything of substance nor come up with a substantiated argument for your toughness cause.

I will pronounce this thread a flatline wrt your inept attempts to further your inflamed opinions. No resuscitative attempt need be made. There actually is no game set or match; as it wasn't a fair match at all. I am a bully for picking on your inferior intellectual status. I apologize. (That means I'm sorry)
Please continue to go forward at the bowling alley with your pals reliving your amazing glory days and please never stop pontificating how great you were. Must be nice to be so great. And tough. And intimidating. (Your words).

(And my son is 16, btw, and I did infact play the game. 3 letter sports per year, Biff)

I will leave you to your thoughts of grandeur. I shan't miss you or this pitiful discourse.

......my thought is that he never picked up stick prior to his current involvement

And honestly, you would probably not have let him play the "old version of the game" if you could see it first hand -- you are underestimating the size and speed of the guys who played long ago, and you are discounting toughness to a point that, back then, would have been deemed dangerously foolish. Anyway, have a read:
http://sportsillustrated.ca/vault/article/magazine/MAG1129606/index.htm

I heard there is a 3rd grader on the Express that Johns Hopkins is looking at.

If this is true this is outrageous both the parents and the college coaches should be ashamed of themselves, this is so typical of the express to promote their players like this.