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This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

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When you explore the actual coverage of HS players it is amazing how IL and TZ has fallen and have to a degree abandoned it. I have had a few kids go through it and it is not top secret he only cares and largely covers Maryland and a strong dislike for LI players and will stick it to a LI kid when he can in favor of a MIAA player. He will only attend MIAA games and turns his back on rest of HS lacrosse which is fine as long as he isn’t trying to fairly evaluate players key part is fair and this has been happening for years but deteriorating as of the past few.
Nephew plays for A very strong HS outside LI or MD and they are top 10 but are rarely covered
As far as the rankings go and visibility at events and evaluation of players from all areas is dominated by NLF rankings while IL has a few college coaches and a few club coaches that strongly influence the rankings. One side working one not
None of it matters but since you asked it got me going

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Originally Posted by Reality101
This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

NLF players is basically NLF teams. Ratings are not accurate.

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Originally Posted by Reality101
This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

NLF players is basically NLF teams. Ratings are not accurate.

NLF Used to be that way when they first started but they have been much more thorough actually covering players from everywhere WATCHING players and evaluating them multiple times . Everyone knows Ty only covers MD and really knows nothing about others areas, hardly shows up at any events and has a very select group of college coaches and club coaches that do his work and he rewards them. He also dislikes LI guys and usually screws them. (St Anthony’s freshman at Duke getting moved down in his latest ranking for a UVA player ). Bad look for IL tough evaluating on a barstool

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Originally Posted by Reality101
This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.
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When you explore the actual coverage of HS players it is amazing how IL and TZ has fallen and have to a degree abandoned it. I have had a few kids go through it and it is not top secret he only cares and largely covers Maryland and a strong dislike for LI players and will stick it to a LI kid when he can in favor of a MIAA player. He will only attend MIAA games and turns his back on rest of HS lacrosse which is fine as long as he isn’t trying to fairly evaluate players key part is fair and this has been happening for years but deteriorating as of the past few.
Nephew plays for A very strong HS outside LI or MD and they are top 10 but are rarely covered
As far as the rankings go and visibility at events and evaluation of players from all areas is dominated by NLF rankings while IL has a few college coaches and a few club coaches that strongly influence the rankings. One side working one not
None of it matters but since you asked it got me going

Prerequisites to make player rankings: 2 year holdback. Must start showing DOB..

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This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you explore the actual coverage of HS players it is amazing how IL and TZ has fallen and have to a degree abandoned it. I have had a few kids go through it and it is not top secret he only cares and largely covers Maryland and a strong dislike for LI players and will stick it to a LI kid when he can in favor of a MIAA player. He will only attend MIAA games and turns his back on rest of HS lacrosse which is fine as long as he isn’t trying to fairly evaluate players key part is fair and this has been happening for years but deteriorating as of the past few.
Nephew plays for A very strong HS outside LI or MD and they are top 10 but are rarely covered
As far as the rankings go and visibility at events and evaluation of players from all areas is dominated by NLF rankings while IL has a few college coaches and a few club coaches that strongly influence the rankings. One side working one not
None of it matters but since you asked it got me going

Prerequisites to make player rankings: 2 year holdback. Must start showing DOB..

IL did DOB with their rankings a few years ago with 2022 class. It is true And eye opening when you think about the drop off in coverage of Inside Lacrosse as they are asleep at the wheel. When they actually out a recruiting article it’s either local (MD) or click bait. Ty hates LI and he does what he can to prove that. NLF is much more detailed and complete than IL who barely attends non IL events

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This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.
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When you explore the actual coverage of HS players it is amazing how IL and TZ has fallen and have to a degree abandoned it. I have had a few kids go through it and it is not top secret he only cares and largely covers Maryland and a strong dislike for LI players and will stick it to a LI kid when he can in favor of a MIAA player. He will only attend MIAA games and turns his back on rest of HS lacrosse which is fine as long as he isn’t trying to fairly evaluate players key part is fair and this has been happening for years but deteriorating as of the past few.
Nephew plays for A very strong HS outside LI or MD and they are top 10 but are rarely covered
As far as the rankings go and visibility at events and evaluation of players from all areas is dominated by NLF rankings while IL has a few college coaches and a few club coaches that strongly influence the rankings. One side working one not
None of it matters but since you asked it got me going

Prerequisites to make player rankings: 2 year holdback. Must start showing DOB..

IL did DOB with their rankings a few years ago with 2022 class. It is true And eye opening when you think about the drop off in coverage of Inside Lacrosse as they are asleep at the wheel. When they actually out a recruiting article it’s either local (MD) or click bait. Ty hates LI and he does what he can to prove that. NLF is much more detailed and complete than IL who barely attends non IL events

What is the point of showing DOB now?

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Originally Posted by Reality101
This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

The NLF rankings are just a puppet for the NLF management and used as purely a marketing piece for their players. Plenty of non nlf summer teams thumping NLF teams and not even ranked, the HS ranking ended when the catholic league was over in NY and didn't bother to continue to the end of the season. NLF has a ton of good players so the player rankings have them all but earlier boasts to include all players never materialized.

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This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

The NLF rankings are just a puppet for the NLF management and used as purely a marketing piece for their players. Plenty of non nlf summer teams thumping NLF teams and not even ranked, the HS ranking ended when the catholic league was over in NY and didn't bother to continue to the end of the season. NLF has a ton of good players so the player rankings have them all but earlier boasts to include all players never materialized.

It originally was only NLF but is now open to all and the coverage has really expanded . That’s said a large majority of the top players are NLF players so it makes sense. The lack of LI acknowledgment from the original 2023 inside lacrosse rankings is consistent with similar in the 22 class. Ty will do whatever he can to skip over a LI player it’s not a secret . Most recent was AM freshman at Duke starting who TY pushed to 2 and we all know why .

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This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

The NLF rankings are just a puppet for the NLF management and used as purely a marketing piece for their players. Plenty of non nlf summer teams thumping NLF teams and not even ranked, the HS ranking ended when the catholic league was over in NY and didn't bother to continue to the end of the season. NLF has a ton of good players so the player rankings have them all but earlier boasts to include all players never materialized.

It originally was only NLF but is now open to all and the coverage has really expanded . That’s said a large majority of the top players are NLF players so it makes sense. The lack of LI acknowledgment from the original 2023 inside lacrosse rankings is consistent with similar in the 22 class. Ty will do whatever he can to skip over a LI player it’s not a secret . Most recent was AM freshman at Duke starting who TY pushed to 2 and we all know why .

How many 2023 ranked boys are from non-nlf playing teams? In addition, how many 2023 teams are non-NLF playing teams?

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This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you explore the actual coverage of HS players it is amazing how IL and TZ has fallen and have to a degree abandoned it. I have had a few kids go through it and it is not top secret he only cares and largely covers Maryland and a strong dislike for LI players and will stick it to a LI kid when he can in favor of a MIAA player. He will only attend MIAA games and turns his back on rest of HS lacrosse which is fine as long as he isn’t trying to fairly evaluate players key part is fair and this has been happening for years but deteriorating as of the past few.
Nephew plays for A very strong HS outside LI or MD and they are top 10 but are rarely covered
As far as the rankings go and visibility at events and evaluation of players from all areas is dominated by NLF rankings while IL has a few college coaches and a few club coaches that strongly influence the rankings. One side working one not
None of it matters but since you asked it got me going

Prerequisites to make player rankings: 2 year holdback. Must start showing DOB..

Prerequisites: 1) Coaches kid 2) Attend a paid NLF showcase vs subpar composition 3) holdback

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Yes I agree TY has really hurt Inside lacrosse image with his anti LI sentiment and laziness and while NLF is improving still has a ways to go but is at least fair for the most part

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This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

The NLF rankings are just a puppet for the NLF management and used as purely a marketing piece for their players. Plenty of non nlf summer teams thumping NLF teams and not even ranked, the HS ranking ended when the catholic league was over in NY and didn't bother to continue to the end of the season. NLF has a ton of good players so the player rankings have them all but earlier boasts to include all players never materialized.

It originally was only NLF but is now open to all and the coverage has really expanded . That’s said a large majority of the top players are NLF players so it makes sense. The lack of LI acknowledgment from the original 2023 inside lacrosse rankings is consistent with similar in the 22 class. Ty will do whatever he can to skip over a LI player it’s not a secret . Most recent was AM freshman at Duke starting who TY pushed to 2 and we all know why .

How many 2023 ranked boys are from non-nlf playing teams? In addition, how many 2023 teams are non-NLF playing teams?

20-22/25 are from NLF teams. Ridiculous. As for the Virginia player now number 1. Well deserved and being number 2 ain’t too shabby. The Virginia kid is a man among boys. I can’t speak to the IL bias but clearly NLF is biased as well. The one advantage for IL is they are not seeking to promote their teams.

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This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

The NLF rankings are just a puppet for the NLF management and used as purely a marketing piece for their players. Plenty of non nlf summer teams thumping NLF teams and not even ranked, the HS ranking ended when the catholic league was over in NY and didn't bother to continue to the end of the season. NLF has a ton of good players so the player rankings have them all but earlier boasts to include all players never materialized.

It originally was only NLF but is now open to all and the coverage has really expanded . That’s said a large majority of the top players are NLF players so it makes sense. The lack of LI acknowledgment from the original 2023 inside lacrosse rankings is consistent with similar in the 22 class. Ty will do whatever he can to skip over a LI player it’s not a secret . Most recent was AM freshman at Duke starting who TY pushed to 2 and we all know why .


OH NO! not number 2 in the country!

lol who cares you nerd

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NLF more biased. They only care about their teams. They also intentionally exclude teams from their invite only tournaments.

Both are flawed but everyone knows how NLF operates.

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Need to put birthdate or year on these rankings. NLF is holdback U.

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My kid made the rankings. Just turned 16 not attending the NLF or One Percent Showcase. Your kid didn’t cut it this first ranking so stop crying. Worry more about what your HS or club coach thinks.

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My kid made the rankings. Just turned 16 not attending the NLF or One Percent Showcase. Your kid didn’t cut it this first ranking so stop crying. Worry more about what your HS or club coach thinks.

Congrats What Number is he ranked ?

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My kid made the rankings. Just turned 16 not attending the NLF or One Percent Showcase. Your kid didn’t cut it this first ranking so stop crying. Worry more about what your HS or club coach thinks.

Congrats What Number is he ranked ?
LOL...nice try!

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NLF is a joke. Ran by 91 which is a sinking ship. If they are so great then why are coaches at younger ages approaching kids and parents from other clubs. Why, because they are dinosaurs. Can not develop so they look to poach. Nlf=nothing. Next few years will bring a BiG change. 91 going down, down down.

Any ranking system, tournament, or showcase that has a clear bias towards a certain group of teams is completely ridiculous. NLF has been exposed and will never have the clout it once had.

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NLF rankings is not accurate and MC who writes about it is a bozo.

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NLF is a joke. Ran by 91 which is a sinking ship. If they are so great then why are coaches at younger ages approaching kids and parents from other clubs. Why, because they are dinosaurs. Can not develop so they look to poach. Nlf=nothing. Next few years will bring a BiG change. 91 going down, down down.

Any ranking system, tournament, or showcase that has a clear bias towards a certain group of teams is completely ridiculous. NLF has been exposed and will never have the clout it once had.

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Now Losers Forever

Quick Breakdown of the NLF Rankings and players on each team.

1 Team 91 LI Wolfpack (5)
2 Eclipse (6)
3 Crabs (3)
4 LI Express CoachS (2)
5 MadLax Capital (2)
6 Laxachusetts (3)
7 Team 91 Maryland (4)
8 Brotherly Love (2)
9 Legacy Taz (1)
10 Prime Time (3)
11 Thunder (1)
12 Big 4 HHH (1)
13 Leading Edge (1)
14 Annapolis Hawks (0)
15 Denver Elite (3)
16 West Coast Starz (3)
17 Express North (1)
18 Resolute (2)
19 SweetLax Upstate (1)

NR: MadDog (3) , Next Level (2), SweetLax FLA (2), LIE 23's (1), DC Lax (1), S2S (1), BBL (1), True (1), Freedom (1), 2Way (1),. Cherries (1) .

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express North 2024 does not have a single players listed in the top 60 playesr

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express North 2024 does not have a single players listed in the top 60 playesr

maybe DC Express

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Am sorry but 9 between the 91 organizations is a lot. Obv bias with the person who writes them who I’m not sure even played lacrosse. Plus the number of 5 stars is a lot. Maybe crush but not these teams.

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Am sorry but 9 between the 91 organizations is a lot. Obv bias with the person who writes them who I’m not sure even played lacrosse. Plus the number of 5 stars is a lot. Maybe crush but not these teams.

Eclipse with 6 and haven't won a major tournament. Obv bias with the person who writes them who I’m not sure even played lacrosse and works for 91 and runs his own showcase.

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express North 2024 does not have a single players listed in the top 60 playesr

Express North does very little to promote their players nor do they help with recruiting.

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Both NLF and inside lacrosse have issues. NLF is biased to their affiliates and the biggest issue with inside lacrosse is glaring and makes it a joke is Ty only watches MIAA lacrosse and realistically has no idea what’s going on in other regions As much as I dislike things NLF does IL is way worse

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express North 2024 does not have a single players listed in the top 60 playesr

Express North does very little to promote their players nor do they help with recruiting.
Absolutely accurate

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?
The smart ones who can play elsewhere leave

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?

They play in most of the top tournaments and thus the recruiting exposure occurs in that sense (passive recruiting, not active recruiting). They also usually play in a lot of tournaments as well (up to 5 sometimes). But it is definitely a club where all you get is good tournaments. Very little support from coaches or directors and very little promotion which you would think they would use names like Schreiber and Brameier to their advantage especially for recruiting but that I have heard is fairly non-existent. They also run anywhere from 2-4 teams per grade so it is a bit of a money churn. The other programs in the area usually have one team at the high school level (Preds, 2way, PrimeTime, eclipse). They are not quite at that level but above Ct Wolves and 91 TrIState. There are the new clubs Dragons and Calvary which will be interesting to see how they do in a crowded market.

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?

They play in most of the top tournaments and thus the recruiting exposure occurs in that sense (passive recruiting, not active recruiting). They also usually play in a lot of tournaments as well (up to 5 sometimes). But it is definitely a club where all you get is good tournaments. Very little support from coaches or directors and very little promotion which you would think they would use names like Schreiber and Brameier to their advantage especially for recruiting but that I have heard is fairly non-existent. They also run anywhere from 2-4 teams per grade so it is a bit of a money churn. The other programs in the area usually have one team at the high school level (Preds, 2way, PrimeTime, eclipse). They are not quite at that level but above Ct Wolves and 91 TrIState. There are the new clubs Dragons and Calvary which will be interesting to see how they do in a crowded market.
You don't think 2Way is a the same level as Express North... you are right because they are better.

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?

They play in most of the top tournaments and thus the recruiting exposure occurs in that sense (passive recruiting, not active recruiting). They also usually play in a lot of tournaments as well (up to 5 sometimes). But it is definitely a club where all you get is good tournaments. Very little support from coaches or directors and very little promotion which you would think they would use names like Schreiber and Brameier to their advantage especially for recruiting but that I have heard is fairly non-existent. They also run anywhere from 2-4 teams per grade so it is a bit of a money churn. The other programs in the area usually have one team at the high school level (Preds, 2way, PrimeTime, eclipse). They are not quite at that level but above Ct Wolves and 91 TrIState. There are the new clubs Dragons and Calvary which will be interesting to see how they do in a crowded market.
You don't think 2Way is a the same level as Express North... you are right because they are better.

No skin in the game in the 2way vs express north argument but I would imagine it would depend on what year you are talking about. The younger express north seem to be doing well but the high school 2Way teams seem stronger than their express north counterparts. When it came to college placement, I believe for 2021-2023s at least, 2Way has done very well with some high academic D1 placements. Both good programs but each with a different focus.

Anyone have the year by year comparison 2023-2029 as well as the 2020-2023 commit list?

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?

They play in most of the top tournaments and thus the recruiting exposure occurs in that sense (passive recruiting, not active recruiting). They also usually play in a lot of tournaments as well (up to 5 sometimes). But it is definitely a club where all you get is good tournaments. Very little support from coaches or directors and very little promotion which you would think they would use names like Schreiber and Brameier to their advantage especially for recruiting but that I have heard is fairly non-existent. They also run anywhere from 2-4 teams per grade so it is a bit of a money churn. The other programs in the area usually have one team at the high school level (Preds, 2way, PrimeTime, eclipse). They are not quite at that level but above Ct Wolves and 91 TrIState. There are the new clubs Dragons and Calvary which will be interesting to see how they do in a crowded market.
You don't think 2Way is a the same level as Express North... you are right because they are better.

No skin in the game in the 2way vs express north argument but I would imagine it would depend on what year you are talking about. The younger express north seem to be doing well but the high school 2Way teams seem stronger than their express north counterparts. When it came to college placement, I believe for 2021-2023s at least, 2Way has done very well with some high academic D1 placements. Both good programs but each with a different focus.

Anyone have the year by year comparison 2023-2029 as well as the 2020-2023 commit list?

Similarly, no skin in the game but a quick gander at the 23 class bc that’s the class that just committed shows it’s not even a comparison. Maybe I looked at the wrong express team but according to inside lacrosse, express north has one commit going to Army. This surprised me.

2Way has 7 D1 commits, 3 4stars including Princeton, Yale, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Providence, Villanova and Air Force.

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In a world of showcases, social media, rankings (nlf and otherwise) Schreiber has truly dropped the ball in terms of recruiting . Either his players are not good or he is not doing his job!! he has some very talented 2024's and none of them were ranked?? 2 way in all fairness is a club of almost 100% reclassed prep school kids. they have the brunswick school as a bit of an anchor and its going to be tough to compete with 2 way for that reason alone

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In a world of showcases, social media, rankings (nlf and otherwise) Schreiber has truly dropped the ball in terms of recruiting . Either his players are not good or he is not doing his job!! he has some very talented 2024's and none of them were ranked?? 2 way in all fairness is a club of almost 100% reclassed prep school kids. they have the brunswick school as a bit of an anchor and its going to be tough to compete with 2 way for that reason alone
How come nobody is mentioning PrimeTime? Probably the best of the entire bunch in the areas just north of NY/Long Island.

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That’s the whole point - pt has 15 kids every year recruited. Express north. Maybe 1-2.

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In a world of showcases, social media, rankings (nlf and otherwise) Schreiber has truly dropped the ball in terms of recruiting . Either his players are not good or he is not doing his job!! he has some very talented 2024's and none of them were ranked?? 2 way in all fairness is a club of almost 100% reclassed prep school kids. they have the brunswick school as a bit of an anchor and its going to be tough to compete with 2 way for that reason alone
How come nobody is mentioning PrimeTime? Probably the best of the entire bunch in the areas just north of NY/Long Island.

That was my point before. Predator, PT, 2Way, eclipse all have 1 team at the High School level and do pretty well with recruiting. Express North does much less with recruiting especially when compared to the Long Island parent.

But the point about reclass is valid as it is comparing apples to oranges as 2way is reclass central express north doesn’t have much in the way of reclass. But given that reclass is the new norm and comparing everyone on the same playing field, I would maybe rank the programs by strength (record+recruiting) in maybe this order:
-Eclipse
-2way
-PT
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

in the Fairfield / WestChester area. Does anyone have the records for 2021-2025 as well as the commits?

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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?
The smart ones who can play elsewhere leave

The same with LI EXPRESS equal playing team with a sideline of 30+..

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In a world of showcases, social media, rankings (nlf and otherwise) Schreiber has truly dropped the ball in terms of recruiting . Either his players are not good or he is not doing his job!! he has some very talented 2024's and none of them were ranked?? 2 way in all fairness is a club of almost 100% reclassed prep school kids. they have the brunswick school as a bit of an anchor and its going to be tough to compete with 2 way for that reason alone
How come nobody is mentioning PrimeTime? Probably the best of the entire bunch in the areas just north of NY/Long Island.

That was my point before. Predator, PT, 2Way, eclipse all have 1 team at the High School level and do pretty well with recruiting. Express North does much less with recruiting especially when compared to the Long Island parent.

But the point about reclass is valid as it is comparing apples to oranges as 2way is reclass central express north doesn’t have much in the way of reclass. But given that reclass is the new norm and comparing everyone on the same playing field, I would maybe rank the programs by strength (record+recruiting) in maybe this order:
-Eclipse
-2way
-PT
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

in the Fairfield / WestChester area. Does anyone have the records for 2021-2025 as well as the commits?

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs

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In a world of showcases, social media, rankings (nlf and otherwise) Schreiber has truly dropped the ball in terms of recruiting . Either his players are not good or he is not doing his job!! he has some very talented 2024's and none of them were ranked?? 2 way in all fairness is a club of almost 100% reclassed prep school kids. they have the brunswick school as a bit of an anchor and its going to be tough to compete with 2 way for that reason alone
How come nobody is mentioning PrimeTime? Probably the best of the entire bunch in the areas just north of NY/Long Island.

That was my point before. Predator, PT, 2Way, eclipse all have 1 team at the High School level and do pretty well with recruiting. Express North does much less with recruiting especially when compared to the Long Island parent.

But the point about reclass is valid as it is comparing apples to oranges as 2way is reclass central express north doesn’t have much in the way of reclass. But given that reclass is the new norm and comparing everyone on the same playing field, I would maybe rank the programs by strength (record+recruiting) in maybe this order:
-Eclipse
-2way
-PT
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

in the Fairfield / WestChester area. Does anyone have the records for 2021-2025 as well as the commits?

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs

Eclipse top players haven't accomplished anything this summer, better off playing in Fla in February..

-2way
-PT
-Eclipse
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

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But the point about reclass is valid as it is comparing apples to oranges as 2way is reclass central express north doesn’t have much in the way of reclass. But given that reclass is the new norm and comparing everyone on the same playing field, I would maybe rank the programs by strength (record+recruiting) in maybe this order:
-Eclipse
-2way
-PT
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

in the Fairfield / WestChester area. Does anyone have the records for 2021-2025 as well as the commits?[/quote]

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs[/quote]

Got to go to Bwick!

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NLF rankings are meaningless. Ty Xanders is still the gold standard.

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But the point about reclass is valid as it is comparing apples to oranges as 2way is reclass central express north doesn’t have much in the way of reclass. But given that reclass is the new norm and comparing everyone on the same playing field, I would maybe rank the programs by strength (record+recruiting) in maybe this order:
-Eclipse
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-PT
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

in the Fairfield / WestChester area. Does anyone have the records for 2021-2025 as well as the commits?

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs[/quote]

Got to go to Bwick![/quote]

Chandik Rankings are speaking for themselves Complete Joke.

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Both have their flaws TY does not travel out of MIAA all spring season. Not one time did he attend a regular season or playoff game on LI. That is malpractice. He will always short change the NE especially LI with a Maryland bias and it’s all based on not evaluating thoroughly Does he know MIAA absolutely and does a great job with that. Can not call yourself a National recruiting evaluator and the only time you watch players is in summer tournament. The few early season LI matchups, the geico classical St Anthony’s, the Nassau and Suffolk championship the Long Island Championships and states (which I understand as their were recruiting events
In the NLF There is a major NLF bias towards their members for sure and many things do not make any sense. Some suggest if players do not attend certain events they will never be ranked
Overall there are just so many high level players. Imagine how players out west feel or even in New England these areas produce major talent yet they fly under the radar

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Both have their flaws TY does not travel out of MIAA all spring season. Not one time did he attend a regular season or playoff game on LI. That is malpractice. He will always short change the NE especially LI with a Maryland bias and it’s all based on not evaluating thoroughly Does he know MIAA absolutely and does a great job with that. Can not call yourself a National recruiting evaluator and the only time you watch players is in summer tournament. The few early season LI matchups, the geico classical St Anthony’s, the Nassau and Suffolk championship the Long Island Championships and states (which I understand as their were recruiting events
In the NLF There is a major NLF bias towards their members for sure and many things do not make any sense. Some suggest if players do not attend certain events they will never be ranked
Overall there are just so many high level players. Imagine how players out west feel or even in New England these areas produce major talent yet they fly under the radar

You can’t argue NLF is better. It just includes their clubs. Ty’s is more fulsome of all. But since so few from LI ended up in the top 50 last year, I understand the criticism.

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Eclipse is the most political now of all of them!! Their Director coaches CT Nike team and doesn’t hold tryouts invite only to the Ridgefield daddy ball show. He then poaches players from other clubs promising better recruiting if you join Eclipse. Now it looks like he runs the NLF ranking too!!! Too bad they can’t win any thing every summer.

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https://www.insidelacrosse.com/event/recruiting/event/81815

Considering how many Taz kids, including the only LI 5 star made the IL top 50, I am surprised they are not playing here today.

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Eclipse is the most political now of all of them!! Their Director coaches CT Nike team and doesn’t hold tryouts invite only to the Ridgefield daddy ball show. He then poaches players from other clubs promising better recruiting if you join Eclipse. Now it looks like he runs the NLF ranking too!!! Too bad they can’t win any thing every summer.

Gets better IL has Eclipse with FIVE 5stars and they can't win a tournament or even make it into the payoffs. The whole system is compromised.

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Eclipse is the most political now of all of them!! Their Director coaches CT Nike team and doesn’t hold tryouts invite only to the Ridgefield daddy ball show. He then poaches players from other clubs promising better recruiting if you join Eclipse. Now it looks like he runs the NLF ranking too!!! Too bad they can’t win any thing every summer.

Gets better IL has Eclipse with FIVE 5stars and they can't win a tournament or even make it into the payoffs. The whole system is compromised.

3 or 4 superstars, yeah. But the rest of the team is probably just good players. Dan Marino never won a SuperBowl with more All Pros than any team.

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Eclipse is the most political now of all of them!! Their Director coaches CT Nike team and doesn’t hold tryouts invite only to the Ridgefield daddy ball show. He then poaches players from other clubs promising better recruiting if you join Eclipse. Now it looks like he runs the NLF ranking too!!! Too bad they can’t win any thing every summer.

Gets better IL has Eclipse with FIVE 5stars and they can't win a tournament or even make it into the payoffs. The whole system is compromised.

3 or 4 superstars, yeah. But the rest of the team is probably just good players. Dan Marino never won a SuperBowl with more All Pros than any team.

Eclipse is all holdbacks with daddy Warbucks fathers. Most will disappear at the next level. I only respect on grade kids, the rest are cheaters and need a moral compass check.

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One of the major BS factors is how IL isn't just a media source -- it also runs tournaments. So its impossible to separate out how they cover their own recruiting events. Which teams they invite means those teams get featured. And Ty gets told/invited/paid to attend certain tourneys. It's a wicked game.

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I wouldn't put much stock in all HS player rankings of many sports EXCEPT it actually impacts college coaches. Lacrosse HS hype machines are very powerful for the connected schools/clubs. And lax coaches completely rely upon club programs to be de facto recruiters for them.

In a time when lacrosse is booming in terms of HS play across the country, the recruiting circuit has actually narrowed. Look at top lists-- the same school and club name dominate the list. College coaches have very limited time or resources to properly screen recruits. They rely upon showcase lists, rankings, tourney appearances, etc.

Amazing how a club-owned property like NLF pretends to be some source of talent evaluation. It's an inside job. And it's working.

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What qualifications does Ty Xanders possess that qualify him as an expert talent evaluator?

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I wouldn't put much stock in all HS player rankings of many sports EXCEPT it actually impacts college coaches. Lacrosse HS hype machines are very powerful for the connected schools/clubs. And lax coaches completely rely upon club programs to be de facto recruiters for them.

In a time when lacrosse is booming in terms of HS play across the country, the recruiting circuit has actually narrowed. Look at top lists-- the same school and club name dominate the list. College coaches have very limited time or resources to properly screen recruits. They rely upon showcase lists, rankings, tourney appearances, etc.

Amazing how a club-owned property like NLF pretends to be some source of talent evaluation. It's an inside job. And it's working.

I love the game. It’s one of my true passions in life. Played for 20 years. Coached youth for about the same. Had two children that went through the process including one that was a top player throughout his career and went on to play at a top D1 program. Having said that, there is no more corrupt sport on the planet. Nothing is anywhere close to “fair”. Nothing! The depth of unethical/cheating absolutely boggles the mind. And it’s all due to the monetization of the sport, with no governing body, with the eventual carrot of getting your kid into a prestigious college. People with money (or people trying to make money off the sport), and no moral character, run the show, and therefore reap all of the benefits. It’s a trashy sport. If you don’t realize that, it’s either because you are still new to the game or your kid doesn’t play at the highest level. Back to the point: EVERYTHING is an “inside job”.

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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

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Both have their flaws TY does not travel out of MIAA all spring season. Not one time did he attend a regular season or playoff game on LI. That is malpractice. He will always short change the NE especially LI with a Maryland bias and it’s all based on not evaluating thoroughly Does he know MIAA absolutely and does a great job with that. Can not call yourself a National recruiting evaluator and the only time you watch players is in summer tournament. The few early season LI matchups, the geico classical St Anthony’s, the Nassau and Suffolk championship the Long Island Championships and states (which I understand as their were recruiting events
In the NLF There is a major NLF bias towards their members for sure and many things do not make any sense. Some suggest if players do not attend certain events they will never be ranked
Overall there are just so many high level players. Imagine how players out west feel or even in New England these areas produce major talent yet they fly under the radar

You can’t argue NLF is better. It just includes their clubs. Ty’s is more fulsome of all. But since so few from LI ended up in the top 50 last year, I understand the criticism.
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Both have their flaws TY does not travel out of MIAA all spring season. Not one time did he attend a regular season or playoff game on LI. That is malpractice. He will always short change the NE especially LI with a Maryland bias and it’s all based on not evaluating thoroughly Does he know MIAA absolutely and does a great job with that. Can not call yourself a National recruiting evaluator and the only time you watch players is in summer tournament. The few early season LI matchups, the geico classical St Anthony’s, the Nassau and Suffolk championship the Long Island Championships and states (which I understand as their were recruiting events
In the NLF There is a major NLF bias towards their members for sure and many things do not make any sense. Some suggest if players do not attend certain events they will never be ranked
Overall there are just so many high level players. Imagine how players out west feel or even in New England these areas produce major talent yet they fly under the radar

You can’t argue NLF is better. It just includes their clubs. Ty’s is more fulsome of all. But since so few from LI ended up in the top 50 last year, I understand the criticism.

Ty doesn’t watch the LI teams much. IL attended just one tournament that my sons team was at this summer. And the team is a top LI team. Compare that to other teams (Baltimore area) where he sees them play many many times. He obviously gets to know the talent that he sees often, and if he sees your kid only once, the result is obvious. You would think IL would have personal representation in all of the densely populated lacrosse areas like LI, NE, upstate, etc. Everything turned out fine for my son, but it easily could have gone far better, given a fair/impartial process. But, hey, it’s lacrosse. Nothing is fair or impartial.

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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.
With so few committed I bet 2024 Schrieber cares about spring. Has anyone from that team committed to a proper D1 lacrosse program?

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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.

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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.
With so few committed I bet 2024 Schrieber cares about spring. Has anyone from that team committed to a proper D1 lacrosse program?

No high level commits from 2023. One yale commit from 2022 who decommited from yale to go to MIT. Maybe a North Carolina recruit as well. The express north team does not help with recruiting. Though I heard similar rumblings about the Li parent team as well.

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Now Losers Forever

Quick Breakdown of the NLF Rankings and players on each team.

1 Team 91 LI Wolfpack (5)
2 Eclipse (6)
3 Crabs (3)
4 LI Express CoachS (2)
5 MadLax Capital (2)
6 Laxachusetts (3)
7 Team 91 Maryland (4)
8 Brotherly Love (2)
9 Legacy Taz (1)
10 Prime Time (3)
11 Thunder (1)
12 Big 4 HHH (1)
13 Leading Edge (1)
14 Annapolis Hawks (0)
15 Denver Elite (3)
16 West Coast Starz (3)
17 Express North (1)
18 Resolute (2)
19 SweetLax Upstate (1)

NR: MadDog (3) , Next Level (2), SweetLax FLA (2), LIE 23's (1), DC Lax (1), S2S (1), BBL (1), True (1), Freedom (1), 2Way (1),. Cherries (1) .

Bro where did you get this list?? It isn’t anywhere close to accurate. I’m familiar with 2 of the teams and the list is off by a total of 6 kids being ranked, just for the two teams. Based on that I have to assume that the rest of the teams are wrong too.

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?
The smart ones who can play elsewhere leave

The same with LI EXPRESS equal playing team with a sideline of 30+..

LI Express equal playing time is doing the unrecruited wonders this fall.

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In a world of showcases, social media, rankings (nlf and otherwise) Schreiber has truly dropped the ball in terms of recruiting . Either his players are not good or he is not doing his job!! he has some very talented 2024's and none of them were ranked?? 2 way in all fairness is a club of almost 100% reclassed prep school kids. they have the brunswick school as a bit of an anchor and its going to be tough to compete with 2 way for that reason alone

Played 2Way in Florida. Unimpressive, especially considering they are all holdbacks.

Regarding recruiting, most coaches don’t reach out to college coaches, from my experience. Obviously some do, but many do not. If Express North kids aren’t getting recruited, it’s because of two reasons. The players aren’t impressing college coaches and/or the parents/players aren’t doing their job in marketing the kids to the college coaches. Bottom line, playing the blame game gets you no where. Take some responsibility. The process is up to the parents, not the coaches.

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This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.
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When you explore the actual coverage of HS players it is amazing how IL and TZ has fallen and have to a degree abandoned it. I have had a few kids go through it and it is not top secret he only cares and largely covers Maryland and a strong dislike for LI players and will stick it to a LI kid when he can in favor of a MIAA player. He will only attend MIAA games and turns his back on rest of HS lacrosse which is fine as long as he isn’t trying to fairly evaluate players key part is fair and this has been happening for years but deteriorating as of the past few.
Nephew plays for A very strong HS outside LI or MD and they are top 10 but are rarely covered
As far as the rankings go and visibility at events and evaluation of players from all areas is dominated by NLF rankings while IL has a few college coaches and a few club coaches that strongly influence the rankings. One side working one not
None of it matters but since you asked it got me going

Prerequisites to make player rankings: 2 year HOLDBACK. Must start showing DOB..

IL did DOB with their rankings a few years ago with 2022 class. It is true And eye opening when you think about the drop off in coverage of Inside Lacrosse as they are asleep at the wheel. When they actually out a recruiting article it’s either local (MD) or click bait. Ty hates LI and he does what he can to prove that. NLF is much more detailed and complete than IL who barely attends non IL events

What is the point of showing DOB now?

To showcase the integrity of the parents.

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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.
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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.
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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.
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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.
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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.
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last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?
The smart ones who can play elsewhere leave

The same with LI EXPRESS equal playing team with a sideline of 30+..

LI Express equal playing time is doing the unrecruited wonders this fall.

Wow. 10th year for these kids and 60% are finally getting to touch the field! Anybody care to do the math on how much that cost per minute of playing time?

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NLF player ranking starts this weekend in FLA. 1st and most important how much money the parents have to Matt C.

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Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.[/quote]

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.[/quote]

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.

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Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.[/quote]

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]

Of course college coaches care about the good teams. But this reference was made on response to the dad pounding his chest about his club team destroying an express team. What Im saying is the majority of the parents and especially in the context this forum dont care as much about club lacrosse by the time they get to high school. That is why there are barely any posts at the older grade levesl. No "parents" (not coaches) care about club lacrosse in high school. The secure parents that are on good teams know they are on good teams and don't post on some online forum that "my kid beat up your kid" like insecure parents would. My kid played on a good team and would win regularly but I honestly didnt feel the need to post the wins or their rankings or even belittle other kids and teams for losing. Of course college coaches care about club lacrosse but you are reading the post out of context.

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Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]

Of course college coaches care about the good teams. But this reference was made on response to the dad pounding his chest about his club team destroying an express team. What Im saying is the majority of the parents and especially in the context this forum dont care as much about club lacrosse by the time they get to high school. That is why there are barely any posts at the older grade levesl. No "parents" (not coaches) care about club lacrosse in high school. The secure parents that are on good teams know they are on good teams and don't post on some online forum that "my kid beat up your kid" like insecure parents would. My kid played on a good team and would win regularly but I honestly didnt feel the need to post the wins or their rankings or even belittle other kids and teams for losing. Of course college coaches care about club lacrosse but you are reading the post out of context.[/quote]

Agree for the most part. But some parents care deeply about their club team. Many families have been together for 10 years on the same team. The top teams have had an absolutely incredible amount of success during that time, where these parents witnessed their babies grow and blossom into young men, alongside their lacrosse brothers. It’s a true brotherhood, from coaches to players to parents, especially when factoring in the success component. In some cases, a club team is an extended family of close friends.

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Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]

Of course college coaches care about the good teams. But this reference was made on response to the dad pounding his chest about his club team destroying an express team. What Im saying is the majority of the parents and especially in the context this forum dont care as much about club lacrosse by the time they get to high school. That is why there are barely any posts at the older grade levesl. No "parents" (not coaches) care about club lacrosse in high school. The secure parents that are on good teams know they are on good teams and don't post on some online forum that "my kid beat up your kid" like insecure parents would. My kid played on a good team and would win regularly but I honestly didnt feel the need to post the wins or their rankings or even belittle other kids and teams for losing. Of course college coaches care about club lacrosse but you are reading the post out of context.[/quote]

Agree for the most part. But some parents care deeply about their club team. Many families have been together for 10 years on the same team. The top teams have had an absolutely incredible amount of success during that time, where these parents witnessed their babies grow and blossom into young men, alongside their lacrosse brothers. It’s a true brotherhood, from coaches to players to parents, especially when factoring in the success component. In some cases, a club team is an extended family of close friends.[/quote]

I apologize as I mischaracterized what "caring" meant. Totally agree that the friendships and experiences are invaluable due to the amount of time together. I simply meant most parents dont 'care" about the "wins and losses" enough to brag about it on a forum. Yes the experience has been great. No one cares who beat who.

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Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.[/quote]

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]


Hello kids get recruited from teams not in the top 50 teams. And yes D1. Most top 10 teams have 5 or 6 amazing kids and rest 3 rating or lower. Delusional to think the bottom 1/3 of a top team would not be better off on another team.

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Hello kids get recruited from teams not in the top 50 teams. And yes D1. Most top 10 teams have 5 or 6 amazing kids and rest 3 rating or lower. Delusional to think the bottom 1/3 of a top team would not be better off on another team.[/quote]

If your son is on a top team but not playing, he’s not getting recruited anywhere. The bottom third of these top teams never go D1 and most don’t play in College. You need to play to get better and be seen.

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why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?
The smart ones who can play elsewhere leave

The same with LI EXPRESS equal playing team with a sideline of 30+..

LI Express equal playing time is doing the unrecruited wonders this fall.

Wow. 10th year for these kids and 60% are finally getting to touch the field! Anybody care to do the math on how much that cost per minute of playing time?

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How are kids assigned stars by inside lacrosse?

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NLF doesn't seem to have the brand or standing it once did, probably from all the teams they block out of the "best tournament".

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NLF doesn't seem to have the brand or standing it once did, probably from all the teams they block out of the "best tournament".

Yes they do. It’s the end game for the best teams and players before college. Don’t be bitter because your kids team isn’t invited.

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NLF doesn't seem to have the brand or standing it once did, probably from all the teams they block out of the "best tournament".

Yes they do. It’s the end game for the best teams and players before college. Don’t be bitter because your kids team isn’t invited.

Half of the teams who show up to NLF are terrible.

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NLF doesn't seem to have the brand or standing it once did, probably from all the teams they block out of the "best tournament".

instead of crying get to work! tryouts are only weeks away

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NLF doesn't seem to have the brand or standing it once did, probably from all the teams they block out of the "best tournament".

Yes they do. It’s the end game for the best teams and players before college. Don’t be bitter because your kids team isn’t invited.

Half of the teams who show up to NLF are terrible.

The other half are the best in the country, though. NLF is still the class of the tournament scene. The best teams, best venues, best coaches watching. That’s the reality.

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How can you be an NLF team (either founding or affiliate) and not show up to your own associations tournament at every grade?

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NLF doesn't seem to have the brand or standing it once did, probably from all the teams they block out of the "best tournament".

Yes they do. It’s the end game for the best teams and players before college. Don’t be bitter because your kids team isn’t invited.

Half of the teams who show up to NLF are terrible.

The other half are the best in the country, though. NLF is still the class of the tournament scene. The best teams, best venues, best coaches watching. That’s the reality.

Meh.

Some grad years yes. Others not really.

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How can you be an NLF team (either founding or affiliate) and not show up to your own associations tournament at every grade?

You must be new to lacrosse. In most states school lacrosse ends mid June.

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It's not how it used to be. Let's just wait for this summer tourney to take place, and list how many Top 20 teams/programs in each bracket are not "invited" to the "BEST" tournament lol. Igloo, 2Way, TeamTEN, BBL, Hawks, 3d NE, Legacy...man the list can go on! If you want to be the National Championships--then just let everyone in and stopped being scared ha!

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Funny! Nobody cares. All the best teams will be at the tournament.

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How can you be an NLF team (either founding or affiliate) and not show up to your own associations tournament at every grade?

You must be new to lacrosse. In most states school lacrosse ends mid June.


Then take that into consideration when scheduling something.

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No they won’t, that’s the entire point. Leading Edge blocks BBL, HHH blocks TeamTEN, Long Island teams not invited that are good etc.

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Yes because HHH is [Censored] hurt they couldn’t land the team ten team….hhh should be a true lacrosse brand in 2 years

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Or maybe it’s rude comments like this. Take a look in the mirror.

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Funny! Nobody cares. All the best teams will be at the tournament.


Wrong ...the what teams won't be ag the tournament. Why won't they let one of the top team BBL among others in? What a joke

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Rumor has it that if you don't " kiss the ring " of a certain club (91)and one of its directors you get shut out . Once he throws a tantrum they don't allow you to play ...BBL, Hawks , Team 10 , Igloo, S2S and the list exoanda every year . Stop calling it "national" when you don't allow teams in because you're a man child and throw tantrums

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Are there any other Philly area teams that HHH “lets in” to NLF anymore?? Seems like every good program has been shut out while HHH only has one good team left! This is why NLF doesn’t matter anymore with college coaches all going to NAL, Naptown, and NHSLS the “national” tourney with all the teams black balled is turning into a joke.

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Wow... just looked at the HHH teams. What happened to that organization? The NLF should consider relegating them to protect the shield. They clearly aren't keeping up to standards that have been set.

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NLF......national laughingstock federation

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NLF......national laughingstock federation

Found the LI dad whose kid is not on 91 or Express. Bitter to be on outside looking in.

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So salty. The meltdown of the mean fat dad and the empty facility would be funny if it was not sad. Selling false promises and blaming others is coming home to roost. How about a little personal responsibility.

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Sounds like there was a leak ....national leaky foundation

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Are there any other Philly area teams that HHH “lets in” to NLF anymore?? Seems like every good program has been shut out while HHH only has one good team left! This is why NLF doesn’t matter anymore with college coaches all going to NAL, Naptown, and NHSLS the “national” tourney with all the teams black balled is turning into a joke.

If it didn’t matter you would not be here crying. Reality setting in. Parents scrambling to get kids seen at nlf. Never seen kids jump ship in a recruiting year. This is a first.

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Are there any other Philly area teams that HHH “lets in” to NLF anymore?? Seems like every good program has been shut out while HHH only has one good team left! This is why NLF doesn’t matter anymore with college coaches all going to NAL, Naptown, and NHSLS the “national” tourney with all the teams black balled is turning into a joke.

If it didn’t matter you would not be here crying. Reality setting in. Parents scrambling to get kids seen at nlf. Never seen kids jump ship in a recruiting year. This is a first.

It doesn’t matter chief…name me another sport/league/organization that allows you to block someone from your own backyard because they run the sport better than you do? Just pointing out how weak those clubs look, goes against everything that sport and competition stands for but keep justifying it, I bet you were the kid that took his ball and went home when the better kids showed up, weren’t you?

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As the PP said, sounds like a spoilt fat mean ugly daddy. Thanks for also ruining Stoga lacrosse.

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HS years, wins/losses mean nothing. HHH sends their boys to top schools/programs annually; that’s what parents should care about. But go on and brag how good your son’s team is and let us know how he does at Kingsborough CC

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HS years, wins/losses mean nothing. HHH sends their boys to top schools/programs annually; that’s what parents should care about. But go on and brag how good your son’s team is and let us know how he does at Kingsborough CC
Yeah, I’m sure you’re correct. College coaches will be fighting each other for better positions on the sidelines to watch HHH teams go a combined 0-30 and get beat by 15 at every NLF tournament for the next 4-5 years

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HHH has sent their kids to top tier schools. That will continue through the ‘25 class as that team has been a top ranked team loaded with talent for years. After that, there is a noticeably steep decline. They simply are not keeping up with the competition in the NLF. Resting on the laurels.

So while this guy keeps talking competition and sports, he is ignoring that this is a business for the clubs. The only way to keep this one particular business afloat is by offering the NLF exclusivity and hoping that families jump ship from their top tier youth teams for the promise of NLF.

My predictions… HHH will sell to a private equity firm within 3 years. The Rest of the NLF will follow suit within 5 years. The cost to play on an “NLF” team will double as they will continue to lock out clubs for exclusivity and college coaches want to put in minimal budgets to get the best players.

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The "Best" "National" Tournament sure is missing a lot of the best teams:

NLF 29 Bracket - 25 Teams
Missing 7 of the top 20 from rankings
Annapolis Hawks #3
Next Level #9
FCA MD #10
Igloo #12
3D New England #14
NXT Black #17
Predators #19

NLF 28 Bracket - 25 Teams
Missing 8 out of top 25 from rankings
3D NE #4
2Way #5
BBL #6
Rhino ATL #8
FCA MD #9
Duke’s Elite #21
Freedom #22
FCA Upstate #23

NLF 27 Bracket - 27 teams
Missing 9 out of top 27 from rankings
ADVNC NDP #1
BBL #2
3d NE #12
Team TEN #15
S2S #16
Next Level #19
3D Georgia #20
Annapolis Hawks #23
2Way #27

NLF 26 Bracket - 27 teams
Missing 11 out of top 27 teams
DC Express #5
Team TEN #8
Predators #13
3D NE #14
BBL #15
Next Level #16
2Way #19
ADVNC NP #20
Towermen #22
S2S #24
3D Georgia #27

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Scared much? Must have an advanced look at players leaving to join NLF teams.

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Scared much? Must have an advanced look at players leaving to join NLF teams.

Let's see.....NLF team director throws out select teams from competing in NLF tournament but the teams that were thrown out are scared .....yes that makes a lot of sense ....

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Go take a look at the NLF brackets for next weekend . They have included B teams in the tournament while keeping out some top teams [Censored] as BBL .....can't be taken seriously. Stop the nonsense

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I think those stats prove a point... but not the point you are making. I'd say those NLF tourneys are loaded with the top clubs. A few don't make it, but by and large the big boys are there.

And the exclusivity isn't about NLF teams being scared. That is just ridiculous. They built the brand. They can do what they want to maintain that brand. Plus we all know that every single player on one of these excluded teams would jump ship in a heartbeat to play with their local NLF team.

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Go take a look at the NLF brackets for next weekend . They have included B teams in the tournament while keeping out some top teams [Censored] as BBL .....can't be taken seriously. Stop the nonsense

These NLF teams are deep. How many teams does Laxachusetts have? how many teams does express have? The lower division is for their aspiring teams. Again, these NLF directors now how to grow revenue. It ain't by having BBL play at their tournament. It's by having those BBL boys jump ship to the NLF baby! Iron Sharpens Iron!

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Go take a look at the NLF brackets for next weekend . They have included B teams in the tournament while keeping out some top teams [Censored] as BBL .....can't be taken seriously. Stop the nonsense

These NLF teams are deep. How many teams does Laxachusetts have? how many teams does express have? The lower division is for their aspiring teams. Again, these NLF directors now how to grow revenue. It ain't by having BBL play at their tournament. It's by having those BBL boys jump ship to the NLF baby! Iron Sharpens Iron!


Yup.....keep teams out that have challenged top NLY teams in the past WEAK....have fun blowing out the B teams . What a ridiculous assessment even by your weak and sad standards

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Go take a look at the NLF brackets for next weekend . They have included B teams in the tournament while keeping out some top teams [Censored] as BBL .....can't be taken seriously. Stop the nonsense

These NLF teams are deep. How many teams does Laxachusetts have? how many teams does express have? The lower division is for their aspiring teams. Again, these NLF directors now how to grow revenue. It ain't by having BBL play at their tournament. It's by having those BBL boys jump ship to the NLF baby! Iron Sharpens Iron!


Deep....aspiring teams ? Lax yellow gets smoked every time they touch the field as well as other B teams in the tournament. You're ridiculous. They will be there and will go 0-4 not sharpnening anything fool ....keep some top teams out and win the tournament....brilliant business strategy but weak lacrosse competition strategy

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I think those stats prove a point... but not the point you are making. I'd say those NLF tourneys are loaded with the top clubs. A few don't make it, but by and large the big boys are there.

And the exclusivity isn't about NLF teams being scared. That is just ridiculous. They built the brand. They can do what they want to maintain that brand. Plus we all know that every single player on one of these excluded teams would jump ship in a heartbeat to play with their local NLF team.

Correct. And they are. Will see a lot of new kids on the NLF teams this weekend, never to return again..... This is why you see the person referenced above in a funny freakout.

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I think those stats prove a point... but not the point you are making. I'd say those NLF tourneys are loaded with the top clubs. A few don't make it, but by and large the big boys are there.

And the exclusivity isn't about NLF teams being scared. That is just ridiculous. They built the brand. They can do what they want to maintain that brand. Plus we all know that every single player on one of these excluded teams would jump ship in a heartbeat to play with their local NLF team.

Correct. And they are. Will see a lot of new kids on the NLF teams this weekend, never to return again..... This is why you see the person referenced above in a funny freakout.

Yes... Fair point. The B team freak out is hilarious. Keep it up pal. Clearly you don't get it.

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I think those stats prove a point... but not the point you are making. I'd say those NLF tourneys are loaded with the top clubs. A few don't make it, but by and large the big boys are there.

And the exclusivity isn't about NLF teams being scared. That is just ridiculous. They built the brand. They can do what they want to maintain that brand. Plus we all know that every single player on one of these excluded teams would jump ship in a heartbeat to play with their local NLF team.

Correct. And they are. Will see a lot of new kids on the NLF teams this weekend, never to return again..... This is why you see the person referenced above in a funny freakout.

Yes... Fair point. The B team freak out is hilarious. Keep it up pal. Clearly you don't get it.

I don't think yot get it ....the point trying to be made is " why are they keeping top teams out from other clubs and allowing their lowly B teams in ?" Let's see this weekend after first day of games ....check out and see the records of lax yellow, true blue , among other B teams . True blue is a non competitive low B team and is allowed in. So you can't have it both ways and call it a "top club tournament" and say people are jealous that theyre not allowed in it when it's a known fact that certain directors are blocking some top teams out while allowing their B teams in . Stop calling it the summers biggest tournament blah blah blah its watered down at this point .

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What happened to the Texas nationals....mad dog nationals, red hots, advnc ndp? All got blocked out too? Funny that you could still pretend that NLF is a big deal . You can look at the lineup and already see who will be playing in the winners brackets .....eclipse ,91, express, crabs ,kings and west coast strz...maybe lax black . The rest should just stay home

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I think those stats prove a point... but not the point you are making. I'd say those NLF tourneys are loaded with the top clubs. A few don't make it, but by and large the big boys are there.

And the exclusivity isn't about NLF teams being scared. That is just ridiculous. They built the brand. They can do what they want to maintain that brand. Plus we all know that every single player on one of these excluded teams would jump ship in a heartbeat to play with their local NLF team.

Correct. And they are. Will see a lot of new kids on the NLF teams this weekend, never to return again..... This is why you see the person referenced above in a funny freakout.

Yes... Fair point. The B team freak out is hilarious. Keep it up pal. Clearly you don't get it.

I don't think yot get it ....the point trying to be made is " why are they keeping top teams out from other clubs and allowing their lowly B teams in ?" Let's see this weekend after first day of games ....check out and see the records of lax yellow, true blue , among other B teams . True blue is a non competitive low B team and is allowed in. So you can't have it both ways and call it a "top club tournament" and say people are jealous that theyre not allowed in it when it's a known fact that certain directors are blocking some top teams out while allowing their B teams in . Stop calling it the summers biggest tournament blah blah blah its watered down at this point .

You sound very upset. Maybe go for a walk. If you keep talking to yourself on the walk, call your doctor. Or if your son still talks to you try him out at the same NLF team again. Maybe the other one down the road if you need a change. Maybe this is the year. Tryouts are just around the corner. Life is short. The glass is half full. You can do it. Just do it!

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I think those stats prove a point... but not the point you are making. I'd say those NLF tourneys are loaded with the top clubs. A few don't make it, but by and large the big boys are there.

And the exclusivity isn't about NLF teams being scared. That is just ridiculous. They built the brand. They can do what they want to maintain that brand. Plus we all know that every single player on one of these excluded teams would jump ship in a heartbeat to play with their local NLF team.

Correct. And they are. Will see a lot of new kids on the NLF teams this weekend, never to return again..... This is why you see the person referenced above in a funny freakout.

Yes... Fair point. The B team freak out is hilarious. Keep it up pal. Clearly you don't get it.

I don't think yot get it ....the point trying to be made is " why are they keeping top teams out from other clubs and allowing their lowly B teams in ?" Let's see this weekend after first day of games ....check out and see the records of lax yellow, true blue , among other B teams . True blue is a non competitive low B team and is allowed in. So you can't have it both ways and call it a "top club tournament" and say people are jealous that theyre not allowed in it when it's a known fact that certain directors are blocking some top teams out while allowing their B teams in . Stop calling it the summers biggest tournament blah blah blah its watered down at this point .

Ultimately it doesn't matter what you (or I) think. What do the scouts think? are the scouts gonna be lining the sidelines? I'm willing to bet the scouts don't think it's watered down and will be there with their cute little chairs and clipboards taking notes on kids that aren't your son. Tryouts are right around the corner. Time to get some work in and get on one of these NLF teams baby!

Again, how man kids from Lax yellow get recruited. I bet a bunch. In new england, it pays be in their organization. when your "b" team is top 20 it doesn't really feel like a b team.

Again it's not about winning the tournament and being crowned the "National Champion". 95% of the people there couldn't care less about that accolade. They aren't there to win the whole thing. They are there to get eyes on them. What don't you understand?

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I think those stats prove a point... but not the point you are making. I'd say those NLF tourneys are loaded with the top clubs. A few don't make it, but by and large the big boys are there.

And the exclusivity isn't about NLF teams being scared. That is just ridiculous. They built the brand. They can do what they want to maintain that brand. Plus we all know that every single player on one of these excluded teams would jump ship in a heartbeat to play with their local NLF team.

Correct. And they are. Will see a lot of new kids on the NLF teams this weekend, never to return again..... This is why you see the person referenced above in a funny freakout.

Yes... Fair point. The B team freak out is hilarious. Keep it up pal. Clearly you don't get it.

I don't think yot get it ....the point trying to be made is " why are they keeping top teams out from other clubs and allowing their lowly B teams in ?" Let's see this weekend after first day of games ....check out and see the records of lax yellow, true blue , among other B teams . True blue is a non competitive low B team and is allowed in. So you can't have it both ways and call it a "top club tournament" and say people are jealous that theyre not allowed in it when it's a known fact that certain directors are blocking some top teams out while allowing their B teams in . Stop calling it the summers biggest tournament blah blah blah its watered down at this point .

Ultimately it doesn't matter what you (or I) think. What do the scouts think? are the scouts gonna be lining the sidelines? I'm willing to bet the scouts don't think it's watered down and will be there with their cute little chairs and clipboards taking notes on kids that aren't your son. Tryouts are right around the corner. Time to get some work in and get on one of these NLF teams baby!

Again, how man kids from Lax yellow get recruited. I bet a bunch. In new england, it pays be in their organization. when your "b" team is top 20 it doesn't really feel like a b team.

Again it's not about winning the tournament and being crowned the "National Champion". 95% of the people there couldn't care less about that accolade. They aren't there to win the whole thing. They are there to get eyes on them. What don't you understand?


Top 20? Lol.....that team loses by two touchdowns at most tournaments...double diiall the time . Not a top 20 team ...what r u smoking ?

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What happened to the Texas nationals? Also got kicked out ?

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Lunatics. It’s not about winning this year. It’s about getting your son looks and on the radar by college coaches. Those coaches could care less what team wins or loses. The constant bickering about who plays what tourney is ridiculous NLF Etc. just enjoy the recruiting process. If your son is a good player. They will find him.

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Lunatics. It’s not about winning this year. It’s about getting your son looks and on the radar by college coaches. Those coaches could care less what team wins or loses. The constant bickering about who plays what tourney is ridiculous NLF Etc. just enjoy the recruiting process. If your son is a good player. They will find him.

Yes, but if you’re playing in the wrong tourney and getting rinsed, then hard to get looks when getting beat badly

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True. Coaches aren’t necessarily watching scores but if your son’s team is in the best tournaments and playing deeply into the championship bracket, that equates to more views which is definitely what your son wants.

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You can views at a prospect day. Showcase or even a high school lacrosse season being on the best team isn’t only way to get on radar. Does it help sure. But not only way ..

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350 college coaches at NLF this past weekend. A must attend if serious about lacrosse.

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350 college coaches at NLF this past weekend. A must attend if serious about lacrosse.

I’m not serious about lacrosse and even I was there.
Tryout for your local NLF team and get a front row seat to greatness

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Not sure why everyone bashes NLF. Generally you going to play good teams if you are in the higher bracket. Hard pressed to find many other tournaments that have such a high concentration of top ranked teams (maybe Naptown and CrabFeast?). Coaches are clearly going. Yale Coach said at another event that even he goes to NLF. So for those bashing NLF, you can always stay at home.

That being said, I am generally not a big fan of club lacrosse and for those of you that are frustrated you can always drop club and spend your time and money going to a prospect days and showcases instead. But all in all I feel like the NLF is one of the better tournaments.

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Not sure why everyone bashes NLF. Generally you going to play good teams if you are in the higher bracket. Hard pressed to find many other tournaments that have such a high concentration of top ranked teams (maybe Naptown and CrabFeast?). Coaches are clearly going. Yale Coach said at another event that even he goes to NLF. So for those bashing NLF, you can always stay at home.

That being said, I am generally not a big fan of club lacrosse and for those of you that are frustrated you can always drop club and spend your time and money going to a prospect days and showcases instead. But all in all I feel like the NLF is one of the better tournaments.

As advertised by far the most colleges there of any event. More than double the combined next two.Combined with NLF Opener there is little need for any other summer tournaments. Making a huge mistake if not part of these two.

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Not sure why everyone bashes NLF. Generally you going to play good teams if you are in the higher bracket. Hard pressed to find many other tournaments that have such a high concentration of top ranked teams (maybe Naptown and CrabFeast?). Coaches are clearly going. Yale Coach said at another event that even he goes to NLF. So for those bashing NLF, you can always stay at home.

That being said, I am generally not a big fan of club lacrosse and for those of you that are frustrated you can always drop club and spend your time and money going to a prospect days and showcases instead. But all in all I feel like the NLF is one of the better tournaments.

As advertised by far the most colleges there of any event. More than double the combined next two.Combined with NLF Opener there is little need for any other summer tournaments. Making a huge mistake if not part of these two.

The product on the fields is hands down the best that being said, the media company, rankings provider and showcase organizer also works for two NLF clubs. there is no Accountability

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When does IL drop their list? The comparison will be interesting. It’s more for bragging rights it seems for the top clubs because whether it’s IL, NLF or Lax Magazine, most, if not all, of those players are going to be recruited by Christmas.

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who runs lacrosse magazine

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how about 4 kids missing from top 10

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who runs lacrosse magazine
a bunch of clowns.

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Who or what is behind lacrossemagazine.com? They appear to be ranking players, and then these get posted on social media. I'm curious as to how they determine these. As best I can tell, the girl player rankings look to be largely based upon who plays and stands out at either UA or AS.

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Who or what is behind lacrossemagazine.com? They appear to be ranking players, and then these get posted on social media. I'm curious as to how they determine these. As best I can tell, the girl player rankings look to be largely based upon who plays and stands out at either UA or AS.
They dont watch anything. You have to fill out a form and market yourself to some flunky who then sits down and ranks them. It is a highlight reel ranking done in a basement. Forget the rankings, did you even know there is a lacrossemagazine.com I think my kid has more followers.

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Who or what is behind lacrossemagazine.com? They appear to be ranking players, and then these get posted on social media. I'm curious as to how they determine these. As best I can tell, the girl player rankings look to be largely based upon who plays and stands out at either UA or AS.
They dont watch anything. You have to fill out a form and market yourself to some flunky who then sits down and ranks them. It is a highlight reel ranking done in a basement. Forget the rankings, did you even know there is a lacrossemagazine.com I think my kid has more followers.


Agreed ....but NLF has become a joke.to . anything run by chandick is a complete joke . He ranks all 91 coaches players high . Even his one percent showcases are laughable. They're a 91 love fest

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When does IL drop their list? The comparison will be interesting. It’s more for bragging rights it seems for the top clubs because whether it’s IL, NLF or Lax Magazine, most, if not all, of those players are going to be recruited by Christmas.

Speaking for the 2024 class, the rankings are absolute key. I’m in no way saying they are accurate, but they absolutely matter. They create a feeding frenzy for the top 100 players, especially the top 50. They create HUGE demand for these players. Are they accurate? No, of course not. Do they matter? Yes. They matter in a very big way. Good luck to all of the ‘25s.

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Who or what is behind lacrossemagazine.com? They appear to be ranking players, and then these get posted on social media. I'm curious as to how they determine these. As best I can tell, the girl player rankings look to be largely based upon who plays and stands out at either UA or AS.
They dont watch anything. You have to fill out a form and market yourself to some flunky who then sits down and ranks them. It is a highlight reel ranking done in a basement. Forget the rankings, did you even know there is a lacrossemagazine.com I think my kid has more followers.


Agreed ....but NLF has become a joke.to . anything run by chandick is a complete joke . He ranks all 91 coaches players high . Even his one percent showcases are laughable. They're a 91 love fest

My son was on 91 for 10 years. Your statement is correct. But guess what? It’s the same with every other organization that runs events and has a vested interest in those events. This is club lacrosse. Said another way, this is $$$$$ lacrosse where everything is motivated by the all mighty dollar.

People like to bash 91 simply out of jealousy because they are now the biggest and the best. That brings out the small people. The haters. However, most top club teams are far more unethical than 91.

How many times was I approached by a 91 director and told to reclass in order for my son to stay “elite”? Absolutely never. Nor was anyone else on his #1 ranked (unanimous) team of 99% holdback free. That absolutely doesn’t happen on other top ranked teams.

In 10 years, my sons team had 1 person that could be considered a holdback, who was on the team as a favor and would be considered a holdback, by WSYL standards, by only 4 HOURS. That’s not even an holdback by MD standards. Other than that, never, ever had a holdback. Majority of players unchanged since 2nd grade.

Yet, over the 10 year existence of the team, they would have to be considered the best team at the grade. In the 5 years that teams were ranked, their team was ranked #1 3 times (IL, US Club Lacrosse, NLF). That is an astonishing accomplishment in and of itself, but when you consider that every team they played was at minimum a year older, it seems like an impossibility. But that’s what happened.

So you small people keep bashing the doers out there if it makes you feel better. But in the ugly under world of $$$ lacrosse, 91 is as ethical as you will find out there, and the most successful.

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NLF Rankings are so bad in a 6 months they had a player in the Top 10, now not even in the Top 30. I guess pops stop writing the checks
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Who or what is behind lacrossemagazine.com? They appear to be ranking players, and then these get posted on social media. I'm curious as to how they determine these. As best I can tell, the girl player rankings look to be largely based upon who plays and stands out at either UA or AS.
They dont watch anything. You have to fill out a form and market yourself to some flunky who then sits down and ranks them. It is a highlight reel ranking done in a basement. Forget the rankings, did you even know there is a lacrossemagazine.com I think my kid has more followers.


Agreed ....but NLF has become a joke.to . anything run by chandick is a complete joke . He ranks all 91 coaches players high . Even his one percent showcases are laughable. They're a 91 love fest

My son was on 91 for 10 years. Your statement is correct. But guess what? It’s the same with every other organization that runs events and has a vested interest in those events. This is club lacrosse. Said another way, this is $$$$$ lacrosse where everything is motivated by the all mighty dollar.

People like to bash 91 simply out of jealousy because they are now the biggest and the best. That brings out the small people. The haters. However, most top club teams are far more unethical than 91.

How many times was I approached by a 91 director and told to reclass in order for my son to stay “elite”? Absolutely never. Nor was anyone else on his #1 ranked (unanimous) team of 99% holdback free. That absolutely doesn’t happen on other top ranked teams.

In 10 years, my sons team had 1 person that could be considered a holdback, who was on the team as a favor and would be considered a holdback, by WSYL standards, by only 4 HOURS. That’s not even an holdback by MD standards. Other than that, never, ever had a holdback. Majority of players unchanged since 2nd grade.

Yet, over the 10 year existence of the team, they would have to be considered the best team at the grade. In the 5 years that teams were ranked, their team was ranked #1 3 times (IL, US Club Lacrosse, NLF). That is an astonishing accomplishment in and of itself, but when you consider that every team they played was at minimum a year older, it seems like an impossibility. But that’s what happened.

So you small people keep bashing the doers out there if it makes you feel better. But in the ugly under world of $$$ lacrosse, 91 is as ethical as you will find out there, and the most successful.


Chandick don't forget your knee pads for when you're around the 91 directors and coaches . And for the ranter above ....maybe get yourself some medication . Nobody was bashing 91, just saying that anything run by chandick is a money grab so relax . Maybe you should join chandick with some knee pads too

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Who or what is behind lacrossemagazine.com? They appear to be ranking players, and then these get posted on social media. I'm curious as to how they determine these. As best I can tell, the girl player rankings look to be largely based upon who plays and stands out at either UA or AS.
They dont watch anything. You have to fill out a form and market yourself to some flunky who then sits down and ranks them. It is a highlight reel ranking done in a basement. Forget the rankings, did you even know there is a lacrossemagazine.com I think my kid has more followers.


Agreed ....but NLF has become a joke.to . anything run by chandick is a complete joke . He ranks all 91 coaches players high . Even his one percent showcases are laughable. They're a 91 love fest

My son was on 91 for 10 years. Your statement is correct. But guess what? It’s the same with every other organization that runs events and has a vested interest in those events. This is club lacrosse. Said another way, this is $$$$$ lacrosse where everything is motivated by the all mighty dollar.

People like to bash 91 simply out of jealousy because they are now the biggest and the best. That brings out the small people. The haters. However, most top club teams are far more unethical than 91.

How many times was I approached by a 91 director and told to reclass in order for my son to stay “elite”? Absolutely never. Nor was anyone else on his #1 ranked (unanimous) team of 99% holdback free. That absolutely doesn’t happen on other top ranked teams.

In 10 years, my sons team had 1 person that could be considered a holdback, who was on the team as a favor and would be considered a holdback, by WSYL standards, by only 4 HOURS. That’s not even an holdback by MD standards. Other than that, never, ever had a holdback. Majority of players unchanged since 2nd grade.

Yet, over the 10 year existence of the team, they would have to be considered the best team at the grade. In the 5 years that teams were ranked, their team was ranked #1 3 times (IL, US Club Lacrosse, NLF). That is an astonishing accomplishment in and of itself, but when you consider that every team they played was at minimum a year older, it seems like an impossibility. But that’s what happened.

So you small people keep bashing the doers out there if it makes you feel better. But in the ugly under world of $$$ lacrosse, 91 is as ethical as you will find out there, and the most successful.

Dude...if your son completed 10 years that would mean he's at the end of travel and possibly a senior in high school .....why are you still on youth lacrosse forums ...get a life

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Who or what is behind lacrossemagazine.com? They appear to be ranking players, and then these get posted on social media. I'm curious as to how they determine these. As best I can tell, the girl player rankings look to be largely based upon who plays and stands out at either UA or AS.
They dont watch anything. You have to fill out a form and market yourself to some flunky who then sits down and ranks them. It is a highlight reel ranking done in a basement. Forget the rankings, did you even know there is a lacrossemagazine.com I think my kid has more followers.


Agreed ....but NLF has become a joke.to . anything run by chandick is a complete joke . He ranks all 91 coaches players high . Even his one percent showcases are laughable. They're a 91 love fest

My son was on 91 for 10 years. Your statement is correct. But guess what? It’s the same with every other organization that runs events and has a vested interest in those events. This is club lacrosse. Said another way, this is $$$$$ lacrosse where everything is motivated by the all mighty dollar.

People like to bash 91 simply out of jealousy because they are now the biggest and the best. That brings out the small people. The haters. However, most top club teams are far more unethical than 91.

How many times was I approached by a 91 director and told to reclass in order for my son to stay “elite”? Absolutely never. Nor was anyone else on his #1 ranked (unanimous) team of 99% holdback free. That absolutely doesn’t happen on other top ranked teams.

In 10 years, my sons team had 1 person that could be considered a holdback, who was on the team as a favor and would be considered a holdback, by WSYL standards, by only 4 HOURS. That’s not even an holdback by MD standards. Other than that, never, ever had a holdback. Majority of players unchanged since 2nd grade.

Yet, over the 10 year existence of the team, they would have to be considered the best team at the grade. In the 5 years that teams were ranked, their team was ranked #1 3 times (IL, US Club Lacrosse, NLF). That is an astonishing accomplishment in and of itself, but when you consider that every team they played was at minimum a year older, it seems like an impossibility. But that’s what happened.

So you small people keep bashing the doers out there if it makes you feel better. But in the ugly under world of $$$ lacrosse, 91 is as ethical as you will find out there, and the most successful.


Chandick don't forget your knee pads for when you're around the 91 directors and coaches . And for the ranter above ....maybe get yourself some medication . Nobody was bashing 91, just saying that anything run by chandick is a money grab so relax . Maybe you should join chandick with some knee pads too

You have to give it up to 91 crew they do it the right way, they play there best only showcase a few kids and have there own media team.. well done.

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NLF list so far more accurate again.

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Who or what is behind lacrossemagazine.com? They appear to be ranking players, and then these get posted on social media. I'm curious as to how they determine these. As best I can tell, the girl player rankings look to be largely based upon who plays and stands out at either UA or AS.
They dont watch anything. You have to fill out a form and market yourself to some flunky who then sits down and ranks them. It is a highlight reel ranking done in a basement. Forget the rankings, did you even know there is a lacrossemagazine.com I think my kid has more followers.


Agreed ....but NLF has become a joke.to . anything run by chandick is a complete joke . He ranks all 91 coaches players high . Even his one percent showcases are laughable. They're a 91 love fest

My son was on 91 for 10 years. Your statement is correct. But guess what? It’s the same with every other organization that runs events and has a vested interest in those events. This is club lacrosse. Said another way, this is $$$$$ lacrosse where everything is motivated by the all mighty dollar.

People like to bash 91 simply out of jealousy because they are now the biggest and the best. That brings out the small people. The haters. However, most top club teams are far more unethical than 91.

How many times was I approached by a 91 director and told to reclass in order for my son to stay “elite”? Absolutely never. Nor was anyone else on his #1 ranked (unanimous) team of 99% holdback free. That absolutely doesn’t happen on other top ranked teams.

In 10 years, my sons team had 1 person that could be considered a holdback, who was on the team as a favor and would be considered a holdback, by WSYL standards, by only 4 HOURS. That’s not even an holdback by MD standards. Other than that, never, ever had a holdback. Majority of players unchanged since 2nd grade.

Yet, over the 10 year existence of the team, they would have to be considered the best team at the grade. In the 5 years that teams were ranked, their team was ranked #1 3 times (IL, US Club Lacrosse, NLF). That is an astonishing accomplishment in and of itself, but when you consider that every team they played was at minimum a year older, it seems like an impossibility. But that’s what happened.

So you small people keep bashing the doers out there if it makes you feel better. But in the ugly under world of $$$ lacrosse, 91 is as ethical as you will find out there, and the most successful.
You are my favorite BOTC knucklehead. You really are, so proud of that 91 WolfPackUpandLeave team that you can bring any discussion to that and holdbacks. If you would actually read the words (letters form words, words for sentences, sentences have meaning, etc) you would see the post had nothing to do with reclassing but calling out Chandick for his 91 skewed rankings and OnePercent Showcase. Holdbacks or not Chandick rankings are skewed, lacrossemagazine doesnt actually exist and I am the proud dad of a reclass. Best decision ever and love to point it out every time you come on here and go on your rant. Ill check back in 5 years and youll still be going on about the same thing. Fire up Bruce and start singing about, them glory days. [Censored]!

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Nobody can take NLF rankings seriously.... chandick ranks team 91 players way too high as he is always on his knees for the team 91 coaches.....shouldn't even be a consideration as to this point .

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Would think the kids on the #1 ranked teams in country are pretty good, otherwise they would not be top ranked team and win all the time. So pretty logical the kids on the best program in the country are probably the best ranked players. What other great ideas are you cooking up over there?

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Would think the kids on the #1 ranked teams in country are pretty good, otherwise they would not be top ranked team and win all the time. So pretty logical the kids on the best program in the country are probably the best ranked players. What other great ideas are you cooking up over there?


Matt s--kdik......get your knee pads out for the 91 coaches and coaches kids ...sad . #1 ranked what ...not even close

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Good assumption the PP kid didn’t get the rank dad wanted. Getting sauced early eh.

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

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Very true ....and just an FYI ....NLF is not a " group of 6 member clubs " with affiliated clubs . It's Team 91 running the show . Why they would pretend it's anything else if comical

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The latest ND commit was graded 84 and 85 this summer yet ranked as a 4 star and #25 overall. Not a shot at him as he looks like a great player but why does IL have kids graded higher that are 3 star and/or unranked? I would’ve thought their ranking would be based on their evaluation.

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.

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Chandick is a " social media influencer"....he shouldn't be ranking anyone in any sport lol

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.


Exactly.....can't deny the facts. Big commitments outside of the team 91 run NLF ....stop pretending that NLF means something

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ADVNC is NLF through their partnership with Starz

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NLF aka "ninetyone lacrosse federation " and Matt s--kdik is nothing more than a ninetyone groupie and social media " influencer '

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ADVNC is NLF through their partnership with Starz

Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

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ADVNC is NLF through their partnership with Starz

Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

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ADVNC is NLF through their partnership with Starz

Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the absolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

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ADVNC is NLF through their partnership with Starz

Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the absolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

I think the USCL championship in Richmond Aug 1st - 4th. If i recall correctly, Aug 1 is the start of the "dead period" meaning college coaches are not allow to attend. I am sure it would be a fun event but by Mid July people are burnt out from club lax. Seems like it might be lightly attended. Additionally, if you are like me and don't really care for club lacrosse going to Richmond during the period after an insanely long summer of lacrosse is not likely to happen. Maybe I am off base on this one.....

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No, you are correct and most Hawks 3D ADVNC do attend nlf. fool people spreading weird misinformation on here.

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No, you are correct and most Hawks 3D ADVNC do attend nlf. fool people spreading weird misinformation on here.


Learn how to read .....those teams you speak of have been " blocked out for certain years " not all years . It's all run by Team 91 and if in a certain year the coaches in that respective year " lax off " any of the team 91 directors/coaches they are told they're not allowed to go to NLF. Facts

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ADVNC is NLF through their partnership with Starz

Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the wabsolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

Absolutely incorrect. Not "all D1 coaches " are at NLF. Stop watching the bogus chandick media Instagram feeds . He's a social media influencer that's all . They'll show you a picture of a few coaches sitting down with a clipboard and say " every D1 coach in the country is here". Lies . Besides there are plenty other options available to be " looked at ".

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Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the wabsolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

Absolutely incorrect. Not "all D1 coaches " are at NLF. Stop watching the bogus chandick media Instagram feeds . He's a social media influencer that's all . They'll show you a picture of a few coaches sitting down with a clipboard and say " every D1 coach in the country is here". Lies . Besides there are plenty other options available to be " looked at ".


Definitely not all D1 coaches are at NLF. But the vast majority of them, including head coaches. You’d be hard pressed to come up with other events with that many coaches.

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Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the wabsolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

Absolutely incorrect. Not "all D1 coaches " are at NLF. Stop watching the bogus chandick media Instagram feeds . He's a social media influencer that's all . They'll show you a picture of a few coaches sitting down with a clipboard and say " every D1 coach in the country is here". Lies . Besides there are plenty other options available to be " looked at ".

The wealth of knowledge is incredible from this serial poster, can you do us all a favor and post more than five times a day like you are doing.

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Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the wabsolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

Absolutely incorrect. Not "all D1 coaches " are at NLF. Stop watching the bogus chandick media Instagram feeds . He's a social media influencer that's all . They'll show you a picture of a few coaches sitting down with a clipboard and say " every D1 coach in the country is here". Lies . Besides there are plenty other options available to be " looked at ".

I did not rely on Chandick or anyone else to provide this info - I have seen it with my own eyes. Loads of coaches sweating their jerks off at Lehigh (UMass a couple of year ago). Maybe some schools / coaches skip the NLF but the coaches sideline is pretty full. I did hear the Drexel coach talk about looking other places for players in the podcast he did for Inside Lacrosse. I bet they still send some to the NLF events.

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Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the wabsolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

Absolutely incorrect. Not "all D1 coaches " are at NLF. Stop watching the bogus chandick media Instagram feeds . He's a social media influencer that's all . They'll show you a picture of a few coaches sitting down with a clipboard and say " every D1 coach in the country is here". Lies . Besides there are plenty other options available to be " looked at ".

I did not rely on Chandick or anyone else to provide this info - I have seen it with my own eyes. Loads of coaches sweating their jerks off at Lehigh (UMass a couple of year ago). Maybe some schools / coaches skip the NLF but the coaches sideline is pretty full. I did hear the Drexel coach talk about looking other places for players in the podcast he did for Inside Lacrosse. I bet they still send some to the NLF events.

Yes. detest it when those no name coaches like Lars and Shay show up to the useless NLF events. Let’s face it not everyone is at NLF but the majority of D1 and high level d3 coaches are there. Maybe not the best tournament but still one of the tops when it comes to viability. Don’t like it then you don’t have to come. Plenty of tournaments to go around but you can’t detest on something that does pretty good.

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One thing people have to realize is even NLF and some other tournaments are great interns of coaches attending, don’t expect to get “discovered” at any of the tournaments or showcases. Coaches generally have a list of players they are there to specifically scout l. They aren’t wandering around look to discover talent. It always makes me laugh when people post about winning tournaments in high school. Coaches aren’t sitting around waiting for the championship game. Your team could go 0-4 but if you play well and you are on a list, then you done OK. Nobody cares about wins and losses in high school club.

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One thing people have to realize is even NLF and some other tournaments are great interns of coaches attending, don’t expect to get “discovered” at any of the tournaments or showcases. Coaches generally have a list of players they are there to specifically scout l. They aren’t wandering around look to discover talent. It always makes me laugh when people post about winning tournaments in high school. Coaches aren’t sitting around waiting for the championship game. Your team could go 0-4 but if you play well and you are on a list, then you done OK. Nobody cares about wins and losses in high school club.


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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.


Hahaha...chandick yiurw really something else . Keep making stuff up ...you're nothing more than a social media influencer. Relax with the NLF stuff ....you have managed to water it down to almost nothing. Nobody cares about the NLF anymore

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One thing people have to realize is even NLF and some other tournaments are great interns of coaches attending, don’t expect to get “discovered” at any of the tournaments or showcases. Coaches generally have a list of players they are there to specifically scout l. They aren’t wandering around look to discover talent. It always makes me laugh when people post about winning tournaments in high school. Coaches aren’t sitting around waiting for the championship game. Your team could go 0-4 but if you play well and you are on a list, then you done OK. Nobody cares about wins and losses in high school club.


Out of curiosity...how do the kids get on " the list " that you speak of . Who recommends the players to make the list for the coaches who come to watch

Great question. Lacrosse recruiting, probably like other sports but seems to be very too heavy in lax, is all about connections. The “list” is all about the kids who play in the too high schools and to a lesser extent, the top clubs in the country because that is who the college coaches trust in terms of a pipeline; those high schools (and clubs) who have a proven track record. Go to any high level d1 (or d3) college and the majority (not all) of their roster have blue blood lax high school pedigree. Part of that high school pedigree includes the fact that many of them are excellent at academics so it checks two boxes off for college coaches. That’s how a coaches list is made. Are there exceptions to the rule? Sure but that is how it generally happens.

However I would say this for only the top 30 in d1 and top 15 in d3. For the the remaining d1 d2 and d3 (“less heralded players”) much of their list is actually done as a combination of the above process and through college scouting either through film or actually tournaments and prospect days. So yes it is possible to be “discovered” at these tournaments but in all honesty much of it is spam. My kids, when they went through it, after a tournament would get spammed by a dozen colleges saying they saw him play at “x” tournament and would like them to come to a prospect day, campus visit, or even rarely “an offer”

The one thing I would say though about my above statement about “less heralded” players being discovered? You don’t need to go that route. If you don’t want to play at the top d1 and d3 schools, if your kid is a decent player, they can always reach out to their preferred school and as long as they aren’t an elite lax school and the player is decent, there are plenty of matches that can be made. The problem is that lax has become so top heavy in terms of what we see in social media we tend to forget about the other 75 d3 and 250 d3 schools (and maybe even the bottom 15 d1 schools). Plenty of spots out there. Reach out to a coach and “get on their list” or have your coaches reach out. That coach will come and watch you at any tournament.

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything . NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation..it's become an embarrassment

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything . NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation..it's become an embarrassment
Youre not invited so stop saying no thanks and based on your ranting I imaging not invited many places. You really think Chandick is what college coaches listen to? Yes, he is a social media influencer. Good on him for finding a niche. You dont like it dont look at it or follow it. Just like, if i knew what business you were in I would def avoid it. Go back to your Pinnacle, NAL or whatever B tournament your C kid can play in. Follow the thread..Nassau CC has club lax right?

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[quote=Anonymous]NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything . NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation..it's become an embarrassment

There is only one embarrassment on here Fella, you.

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything . NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation..it's become an embarrassment

No dog in this fight but the way you rant? It sounds like you really want to be part of the part and you are crying you were not invited. You don’t sound like some who could care less about the NLF

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ADVNC is NLF through their partnership with Starz

Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the absolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

I think the USCL championship in Richmond Aug 1st - 4th. If i recall correctly, Aug 1 is the start of the "dead period" meaning college coaches are not allow to attend. I am sure it would be a fun event but by Mid July people are burnt out from club lax. Seems like it might be lightly attended. Additionally, if you are like me and don't really care for club lacrosse going to Richmond during the period after an insanely long summer of lacrosse is not likely to happen. Maybe I am off base on this one.....
Awesome. Someone found a place farther away and more hot than Delaware. Throw in the extra humidity, no coaches and end of summer burn out and I'm sure it will be a high quality event.

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything . NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation..it's become an embarrassment

No dog in this fight but the way you rant? It sounds like you really want to be part of the part and you are crying you were not invited. You don’t sound like some who could care less about the NLF
So true. If NLF is so bad and so watered down and no coaches are at NLF whats your plan and big play? NAL is the place to be, cool great event, we are NLF and go to that too. Naptown? Used to be good and we are NLF and go to that? Cmon, where should we all be thats not watered down because it feels like to me we play all the top teams at all the top tournaments, NLF being one of them and the one we look forward to winning.....in part because its one of the few places you can find the 91 teams that hide out all summer. Hater of 91 and NLF, whats the right 4 tournament schedule for 2026's?

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why because social media influencer is some high degree job that requires some kind of knowledge? guy could go rank anything he wants, you dont have to look. Rankings are subjective. Not a single coach hat recruited my son referenced having seen him on Matt's IG or website. They all said they saw him PLAY a lot this summer.

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NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .


Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything . NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation..it's become an embarrassment

No dog in this fight but the way you rant? It sounds like you really want to be part of the part and you are crying you were not invited. You don’t sound like some who could care less about the NLF
So true. If NLF is so bad and so watered down and no coaches are at NLF whats your plan and big play? NAL is the place to be, cool great event, we are NLF and go to that too. Naptown? Used to be good and we are NLF and go to that? Cmon, where should we all be thats not watered down because it feels like to me we play all the top teams at all the top tournaments, NLF being one of them and the one we look forward to winning.....in part because its one of the few places you can find the 91 teams that hide out all summer. Hater of 91 and NLF, whats the right 4 tournament schedule for 2026's?


When you get called on stuff the typical 91 company line is " you're a hater " lol. Predictable . There are plenty of tournaments all over the East Coast with top competition. Just because you lost all day on Instagram doesn't change the facts . Mamyy, many kids outside if the so called "NLF membership clubs " are being recruited to top D1 schools every day now. Go back to pretending your important

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Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the absolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

I think the USCL championship in Richmond Aug 1st - 4th. If i recall correctly, Aug 1 is the start of the "dead period" meaning college coaches are not allow to attend. I am sure it would be a fun event but by Mid July people are burnt out from club lax. Seems like it might be lightly attended. Additionally, if you are like me and don't really care for club lacrosse going to Richmond during the period after an insanely long summer of lacrosse is not likely to happen. Maybe I am off base on this one.....
Awesome. Someone found a place farther away and more hot than Delaware. Throw in the extra humidity, no coaches and end of summer burn out and I'm sure it will be a high quality event.

Don't forget the fact that teams will have had tryouts for the next club year after the rankings are set and before the tournament occurs. That won't be awkward at all. My guess is the whole thing gets scrapped before the first attempt even happens

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Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the absolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

I think the USCL championship in Richmond Aug 1st - 4th. If i recall correctly, Aug 1 is the start of the "dead period" meaning college coaches are not allow to attend. I am sure it would be a fun event but by Mid July people are burnt out from club lax. Seems like it might be lightly attended. Additionally, if you are like me and don't really care for club lacrosse going to Richmond during the period after an insanely long summer of lacrosse is not likely to happen. Maybe I am off base on this one.....
Awesome. Someone found a place farther away and more hot than Delaware. Throw in the extra humidity, no coaches and end of summer burn out and I'm sure it will be a high quality event.

Don't forget the fact that teams will have had tryouts for the next club year after the rankings are set and before the tournament occurs. That won't be awkward at all. My guess is the whole thing gets scrapped before the first attempt even happens

Which would be a bummer. I like the idea of the best teams battling it out. You get that at Naptown but all the other tournaments are political and prevent teams from playing.

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ADVNC is NLF through their partnership with Starz

Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the absolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

I think the USCL championship in Richmond Aug 1st - 4th. If i recall correctly, Aug 1 is the start of the "dead period" meaning college coaches are not allow to attend. I am sure it would be a fun event but by Mid July people are burnt out from club lax. Seems like it might be lightly attended. Additionally, if you are like me and don't really care for club lacrosse going to Richmond during the period after an insanely long summer of lacrosse is not likely to happen. Maybe I am off base on this one.....
Awesome. Someone found a place farther away and more hot than Delaware. Throw in the extra humidity, no coaches and end of summer burn out and I'm sure it will be a high quality event.

Don't forget the fact that teams will have had tryouts for the next club year after the rankings are set and before the tournament occurs. That won't be awkward at all. My guess is the whole thing gets scrapped before the first attempt even happens

Which would be a bummer. I like the idea of the best teams battling it out. You get that at Naptown but all the other tournaments are political and prevent teams from playing.

Not gonna happen Aug 1-4. That is basically the only completely free week of the summer for kids who play fall sports. There is a reason that week is free.

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Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.[/quote]

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.[/quote]
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare them to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waste of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so they're going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.[/quote]


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything. NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation. It's become an embarrassment[/quote]

No dog in this fight but the way you rant? It sounds like you really want to be part of the part and you are crying, you were not invited. You don’t sound like some who could care less about the NLF[/quote]
So true. If NLF is so bad and so watered down and no coaches are at NLF what's your plan and big play? NAL is the place to be, cool great event, we are NLF and go to that too. Naptown? Used to be good and we are NLF and go to that? Cmon, where should we all be that's not watered down because it feels like to me we play all the top teams at all the top tournaments, NLF being one of them and the one we look forward to winning.....in part because its one of the few places you can find the 91 teams that hide out all summer. Hater of 91 and NLF, what's the right 4 tournament schedule for 2026's?[/quote]


When you get called on stuff the typical 91 company line is " you're a hater " lol. Predictable. There are plenty of tournaments all over the East Coast with top competition. Just because you lost all day on Instagram doesn't change the facts . Many, many kids outside if the so called "NLF membership clubs " are being recruited to top D1 schools every day now. Go back to pretending your important[/quote]

,,,leave the critique to Islanders who know what's going on capisce.

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Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.[/quote]
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.[/quote]


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything . NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation..it's become an embarrassment[/quote]

No dog in this fight but the way you rant? It sounds like you really want to be part of the part and you are crying you were not invited. You don’t sound like some who could care less about the NLF[/quote]
So true. If NLF is so bad and so watered down and no coaches are at NLF whats your plan and big play? NAL is the place to be, cool great event, we are NLF and go to that too. Naptown? Used to be good and we are NLF and go to that? Cmon, where should we all be thats not watered down because it feels like to me we play all the top teams at all the top tournaments, NLF being one of them and the one we look forward to winning.....in part because its one of the few places you can find the 91 teams that hide out all summer. Hater of 91 and NLF, whats the right 4 tournament schedule for 2026's?[/quote]


When you get called on stuff the typical 91 company line is " you're a hater " lol. Predictable . There are plenty of tournaments all over the East Coast with top competition. Just because you lost all day on Instagram doesn't change the facts . Mamyy, many kids outside if the so called "NLF membership clubs " are being recruited to top D1 schools every day now. Go back to pretending your important[/quote]

[Censored] posts as bad as the kid plays,,,leave the critique to Islanders who know whats going on capisce.[/quote]

I am Matt s--kdik and I approve this message .

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3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . [/quote]


THE LEAGUE announcement got it. Was wondering why all the incessant noise from NLF jealous hatin' inferior clowns. Bah-bye now back to them being clown teams again.

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3D, BBL, Next Level, FCA and several other clubs can play in a summer end tournament and a have a great time. All great programs with great players. It’s fine, right?

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Alliance Lacrosse League is born. Bye bye NLF.

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Alliance Lacrosse League is born. Bye bye NLF.

Circuit failure redo. Only fools wouldn’t plaY NLF unless not good enough to compete.

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Alliance Lacrosse League is born. Bye bye NLF.

Circuit failure redo. Only fools wouldn’t plaY NLF unless not good enough to compete.


Lol..right . Why would anyone want to play an NLF tournament littered with B teams in it . Once again it's run by 91. It's a watered down joke with B teams all over the field because they blocked out other good A teams so had to find fillera . Joke , NLF=ninetyone lacrosse federation

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Alliance Lacrosse League is born. Bye bye NLF.

Circuit failure redo. Only fools wouldn’t plaY NLF unless not good enough to compete.


Lol..right . Why would anyone want to play an NLF tournament littered with B teams in it . Once again it's run by 91. It's a watered down joke with B teams all over the field because they blocked out other good A teams so had to find fillera . Joke , NLF=ninetyone lacrosse federation



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