This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

When you explore the actual coverage of HS players it is amazing how IL and TZ has fallen and have to a degree abandoned it. I have had a few kids go through it and it is not top secret he only cares and largely covers Maryland and a strong dislike for LI players and will stick it to a LI kid when he can in favor of a MIAA player. He will only attend MIAA games and turns his back on rest of HS lacrosse which is fine as long as he isn’t trying to fairly evaluate players key part is fair and this has been happening for years but deteriorating as of the past few.
Nephew plays for A very strong HS outside LI or MD and they are top 10 but are rarely covered
As far as the rankings go and visibility at events and evaluation of players from all areas is dominated by NLF rankings while IL has a few college coaches and a few club coaches that strongly influence the rankings. One side working one not
None of it matters but since you asked it got me going

NLF players is basically NLF teams. Ratings are not accurate.

NLF Used to be that way when they first started but they have been much more thorough actually covering players from everywhere WATCHING players and evaluating them multiple times . Everyone knows Ty only covers MD and really knows nothing about others areas, hardly shows up at any events and has a very select group of college coaches and club coaches that do his work and he rewards them. He also dislikes LI guys and usually screws them. (St Anthony’s freshman at Duke getting moved down in his latest ranking for a UVA player ). Bad look for IL tough evaluating on a barstool

Prerequisites to make player rankings: 2 year holdback. Must start showing DOB..

IL did DOB with their rankings a few years ago with 2022 class. It is true And eye opening when you think about the drop off in coverage of Inside Lacrosse as they are asleep at the wheel. When they actually out a recruiting article it’s either local (MD) or click bait. Ty hates LI and he does what he can to prove that. NLF is much more detailed and complete than IL who barely attends non IL events

What is the point of showing DOB now?

The NLF rankings are just a puppet for the NLF management and used as purely a marketing piece for their players. Plenty of non nlf summer teams thumping NLF teams and not even ranked, the HS ranking ended when the catholic league was over in NY and didn't bother to continue to the end of the season. NLF has a ton of good players so the player rankings have them all but earlier boasts to include all players never materialized.

It originally was only NLF but is now open to all and the coverage has really expanded . That’s said a large majority of the top players are NLF players so it makes sense. The lack of LI acknowledgment from the original 2023 inside lacrosse rankings is consistent with similar in the 22 class. Ty will do whatever he can to skip over a LI player it’s not a secret . Most recent was AM freshman at Duke starting who TY pushed to 2 and we all know why .

How many 2023 ranked boys are from non-nlf playing teams? In addition, how many 2023 teams are non-NLF playing teams?

Prerequisites: 1) Coaches kid 2) Attend a paid NLF showcase vs subpar composition 3) holdback

Yes I agree TY has really hurt Inside lacrosse image with his anti LI sentiment and laziness and while NLF is improving still has a ways to go but is at least fair for the most part

20-22/25 are from NLF teams. Ridiculous. As for the Virginia player now number 1. Well deserved and being number 2 ain’t too shabby. The Virginia kid is a man among boys. I can’t speak to the IL bias but clearly NLF is biased as well. The one advantage for IL is they are not seeking to promote their teams.

OH NO! not number 2 in the country!

lol who cares you nerd

NLF more biased. They only care about their teams. They also intentionally exclude teams from their invite only tournaments.

Both are flawed but everyone knows how NLF operates.

Need to put birthdate or year on these rankings. NLF is holdback U.

My kid made the rankings. Just turned 16 not attending the NLF or One Percent Showcase. Your kid didn’t cut it this first ranking so stop crying. Worry more about what your HS or club coach thinks.

Congrats What Number is he ranked ?

LOL...nice try!

Any ranking system, tournament, or showcase that has a clear bias towards a certain group of teams is completely ridiculous. NLF has been exposed and will never have the clout it once had.

FLIDteen

NLF rankings is not accurate and MC who writes about it is a bozo.

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Now Losers Forever

Quick Breakdown of the NLF Rankings and players on each team.

1 Team 91 LI Wolfpack (5)
2 Eclipse (6)
3 Crabs (3)
4 LI Express CoachS (2)
5 MadLax Capital (2)
6 Laxachusetts (3)
7 Team 91 Maryland (4)
8 Brotherly Love (2)
9 Legacy Taz (1)
10 Prime Time (3)
11 Thunder (1)
12 Big 4 HHH (1)
13 Leading Edge (1)
14 Annapolis Hawks (0)
15 Denver Elite (3)
16 West Coast Starz (3)
17 Express North (1)
18 Resolute (2)
19 SweetLax Upstate (1)

NR: MadDog (3) , Next Level (2), SweetLax FLA (2), LIE 23's (1), DC Lax (1), S2S (1), BBL (1), True (1), Freedom (1), 2Way (1),. Cherries (1) .

express North 2024 does not have a single players listed in the top 60 playesr

maybe DC Express

Am sorry but 9 between the 91 organizations is a lot. Obv bias with the person who writes them who I’m not sure even played lacrosse. Plus the number of 5 stars is a lot. Maybe crush but not these teams.

Eclipse with 6 and haven't won a major tournament. Obv bias with the person who writes them who I’m not sure even played lacrosse and works for 91 and runs his own showcase.

Express North does very little to promote their players nor do they help with recruiting.

Both NLF and inside lacrosse have issues. NLF is biased to their affiliates and the biggest issue with inside lacrosse is glaring and makes it a joke is Ty only watches MIAA lacrosse and realistically has no idea what’s going on in other regions As much as I dislike things NLF does IL is way worse

Absolutely accurate

why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?

The smart ones who can play elsewhere leave

They play in most of the top tournaments and thus the recruiting exposure occurs in that sense (passive recruiting, not active recruiting). They also usually play in a lot of tournaments as well (up to 5 sometimes). But it is definitely a club where all you get is good tournaments. Very little support from coaches or directors and very little promotion which you would think they would use names like Schreiber and Brameier to their advantage especially for recruiting but that I have heard is fairly non-existent. They also run anywhere from 2-4 teams per grade so it is a bit of a money churn. The other programs in the area usually have one team at the high school level (Preds, 2way, PrimeTime, eclipse). They are not quite at that level but above Ct Wolves and 91 TrIState. There are the new clubs Dragons and Calvary which will be interesting to see how they do in a crowded market.

You don't think 2Way is a the same level as Express North... you are right because they are better.

No skin in the game in the 2way vs express north argument but I would imagine it would depend on what year you are talking about. The younger express north seem to be doing well but the high school 2Way teams seem stronger than their express north counterparts. When it came to college placement, I believe for 2021-2023s at least, 2Way has done very well with some high academic D1 placements. Both good programs but each with a different focus.

Anyone have the year by year comparison 2023-2029 as well as the 2020-2023 commit list?

Similarly, no skin in the game but a quick gander at the 23 class bc that’s the class that just committed shows it’s not even a comparison. Maybe I looked at the wrong express team but according to inside lacrosse, express north has one commit going to Army. This surprised me.

2Way has 7 D1 commits, 3 4stars including Princeton, Yale, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Providence, Villanova and Air Force.

In a world of showcases, social media, rankings (nlf and otherwise) Schreiber has truly dropped the ball in terms of recruiting . Either his players are not good or he is not doing his job!! he has some very talented 2024's and none of them were ranked?? 2 way in all fairness is a club of almost 100% reclassed prep school kids. they have the brunswick school as a bit of an anchor and its going to be tough to compete with 2 way for that reason alone

How come nobody is mentioning PrimeTime? Probably the best of the entire bunch in the areas just north of NY/Long Island.

That’s the whole point - pt has 15 kids every year recruited. Express north. Maybe 1-2.

That was my point before. Predator, PT, 2Way, eclipse all have 1 team at the High School level and do pretty well with recruiting. Express North does much less with recruiting especially when compared to the Long Island parent.

But the point about reclass is valid as it is comparing apples to oranges as 2way is reclass central express north doesn’t have much in the way of reclass. But given that reclass is the new norm and comparing everyone on the same playing field, I would maybe rank the programs by strength (record+recruiting) in maybe this order:
-Eclipse
-2way
-PT
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

in the Fairfield / WestChester area. Does anyone have the records for 2021-2025 as well as the commits?

last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

The same with LI EXPRESS equal playing team with a sideline of 30+..

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs

Eclipse top players haven't accomplished anything this summer, better off playing in Fla in February..

-2way
-PT
-Eclipse
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

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But the point about reclass is valid as it is comparing apples to oranges as 2way is reclass central express north doesn’t have much in the way of reclass. But given that reclass is the new norm and comparing everyone on the same playing field, I would maybe rank the programs by strength (record+recruiting) in maybe this order:
-Eclipse
-2way
-PT
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

in the Fairfield / WestChester area. Does anyone have the records for 2021-2025 as well as the commits?[/quote]

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs[/quote]

Got to go to Bwick!

NLF rankings are meaningless. Ty Xanders is still the gold standard.

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs[/quote]

Got to go to Bwick![/quote]

Chandik Rankings are speaking for themselves Complete Joke.

Both have their flaws TY does not travel out of MIAA all spring season. Not one time did he attend a regular season or playoff game on LI. That is malpractice. He will always short change the NE especially LI with a Maryland bias and it’s all based on not evaluating thoroughly Does he know MIAA absolutely and does a great job with that. Can not call yourself a National recruiting evaluator and the only time you watch players is in summer tournament. The few early season LI matchups, the geico classical St Anthony’s, the Nassau and Suffolk championship the Long Island Championships and states (which I understand as their were recruiting events
In the NLF There is a major NLF bias towards their members for sure and many things do not make any sense. Some suggest if players do not attend certain events they will never be ranked
Overall there are just so many high level players. Imagine how players out west feel or even in New England these areas produce major talent yet they fly under the radar

You can’t argue NLF is better. It just includes their clubs. Ty’s is more fulsome of all. But since so few from LI ended up in the top 50 last year, I understand the criticism.

Eclipse is the most political now of all of them!! Their Director coaches CT Nike team and doesn’t hold tryouts invite only to the Ridgefield daddy ball show. He then poaches players from other clubs promising better recruiting if you join Eclipse. Now it looks like he runs the NLF ranking too!!! Too bad they can’t win any thing every summer.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/event/recruiting/event/81815

Considering how many Taz kids, including the only LI 5 star made the IL top 50, I am surprised they are not playing here today.

Gets better IL has Eclipse with FIVE 5stars and they can't win a tournament or even make it into the payoffs. The whole system is compromised.

3 or 4 superstars, yeah. But the rest of the team is probably just good players. Dan Marino never won a SuperBowl with more All Pros than any team.

Eclipse is all holdbacks with daddy Warbucks fathers. Most will disappear at the next level. I only respect on grade kids, the rest are cheaters and need a moral compass check.

One of the major BS factors is how IL isn't just a media source -- it also runs tournaments. So its impossible to separate out how they cover their own recruiting events. Which teams they invite means those teams get featured. And Ty gets told/invited/paid to attend certain tourneys. It's a wicked game.

I wouldn't put much stock in all HS player rankings of many sports EXCEPT it actually impacts college coaches. Lacrosse HS hype machines are very powerful for the connected schools/clubs. And lax coaches completely rely upon club programs to be de facto recruiters for them.

In a time when lacrosse is booming in terms of HS play across the country, the recruiting circuit has actually narrowed. Look at top lists-- the same school and club name dominate the list. College coaches have very limited time or resources to properly screen recruits. They rely upon showcase lists, rankings, tourney appearances, etc.

Amazing how a club-owned property like NLF pretends to be some source of talent evaluation. It's an inside job. And it's working.

What qualifications does Ty Xanders possess that qualify him as an expert talent evaluator?

I love the game. It’s one of my true passions in life. Played for 20 years. Coached youth for about the same. Had two children that went through the process including one that was a top player throughout his career and went on to play at a top D1 program. Having said that, there is no more corrupt sport on the planet. Nothing is anywhere close to “fair”. Nothing! The depth of unethical/cheating absolutely boggles the mind. And it’s all due to the monetization of the sport, with no governing body, with the eventual carrot of getting your kid into a prestigious college. People with money (or people trying to make money off the sport), and no moral character, run the show, and therefore reap all of the benefits. It’s a trashy sport. If you don’t realize that, it’s either because you are still new to the game or your kid doesn’t play at the highest level. Back to the point: EVERYTHING is an “inside job”.

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

Ty doesn’t watch the LI teams much. IL attended just one tournament that my sons team was at this summer. And the team is a top LI team. Compare that to other teams (Baltimore area) where he sees them play many many times. He obviously gets to know the talent that he sees often, and if he sees your kid only once, the result is obvious. You would think IL would have personal representation in all of the densely populated lacrosse areas like LI, NE, upstate, etc. Everything turned out fine for my son, but it easily could have gone far better, given a fair/impartial process. But, hey, it’s lacrosse. Nothing is fair or impartial.

With so few committed I bet 2024 Schrieber cares about spring. Has anyone from that team committed to a proper D1 lacrosse program?

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.

No high level commits from 2023. One yale commit from 2022 who decommited from yale to go to MIT. Maybe a North Carolina recruit as well. The express north team does not help with recruiting. Though I heard similar rumblings about the Li parent team as well.

Bro where did you get this list?? It isn’t anywhere close to accurate. I’m familiar with 2 of the teams and the list is off by a total of 6 kids being ranked, just for the two teams. Based on that I have to assume that the rest of the teams are wrong too.

LI Express equal playing time is doing the unrecruited wonders this fall.

Played 2Way in Florida. Unimpressive, especially considering they are all holdbacks.

Regarding recruiting, most coaches don’t reach out to college coaches, from my experience. Obviously some do, but many do not. If Express North kids aren’t getting recruited, it’s because of two reasons. The players aren’t impressing college coaches and/or the parents/players aren’t doing their job in marketing the kids to the college coaches. Bottom line, playing the blame game gets you no where. Take some responsibility. The process is up to the parents, not the coaches.

To showcase the integrity of the parents.

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.

Wow. 10th year for these kids and 60% are finally getting to touch the field! Anybody care to do the math on how much that cost per minute of playing time?

NLF player ranking starts this weekend in FLA. 1st and most important how much money the parents have to Matt C.

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.[/quote]

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.[/quote]

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.[/quote]

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]

Of course college coaches care about the good teams. But this reference was made on response to the dad pounding his chest about his club team destroying an express team. What Im saying is the majority of the parents and especially in the context this forum dont care as much about club lacrosse by the time they get to high school. That is why there are barely any posts at the older grade levesl. No "parents" (not coaches) care about club lacrosse in high school. The secure parents that are on good teams know they are on good teams and don't post on some online forum that "my kid beat up your kid" like insecure parents would. My kid played on a good team and would win regularly but I honestly didnt feel the need to post the wins or their rankings or even belittle other kids and teams for losing. Of course college coaches care about club lacrosse but you are reading the post out of context.

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]

Of course college coaches care about the good teams. But this reference was made on response to the dad pounding his chest about his club team destroying an express team. What Im saying is the majority of the parents and especially in the context this forum dont care as much about club lacrosse by the time they get to high school. That is why there are barely any posts at the older grade levesl. No "parents" (not coaches) care about club lacrosse in high school. The secure parents that are on good teams know they are on good teams and don't post on some online forum that "my kid beat up your kid" like insecure parents would. My kid played on a good team and would win regularly but I honestly didnt feel the need to post the wins or their rankings or even belittle other kids and teams for losing. Of course college coaches care about club lacrosse but you are reading the post out of context.[/quote]

Agree for the most part. But some parents care deeply about their club team. Many families have been together for 10 years on the same team. The top teams have had an absolutely incredible amount of success during that time, where these parents witnessed their babies grow and blossom into young men, alongside their lacrosse brothers. It’s a true brotherhood, from coaches to players to parents, especially when factoring in the success component. In some cases, a club team is an extended family of close friends.

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]

Of course college coaches care about the good teams. But this reference was made on response to the dad pounding his chest about his club team destroying an express team. What Im saying is the majority of the parents and especially in the context this forum dont care as much about club lacrosse by the time they get to high school. That is why there are barely any posts at the older grade levesl. No "parents" (not coaches) care about club lacrosse in high school. The secure parents that are on good teams know they are on good teams and don't post on some online forum that "my kid beat up your kid" like insecure parents would. My kid played on a good team and would win regularly but I honestly didnt feel the need to post the wins or their rankings or even belittle other kids and teams for losing. Of course college coaches care about club lacrosse but you are reading the post out of context.[/quote]

Agree for the most part. But some parents care deeply about their club team. Many families have been together for 10 years on the same team. The top teams have had an absolutely incredible amount of success during that time, where these parents witnessed their babies grow and blossom into young men, alongside their lacrosse brothers. It’s a true brotherhood, from coaches to players to parents, especially when factoring in the success component. In some cases, a club team is an extended family of close friends.[/quote]

I apologize as I mischaracterized what "caring" meant. Totally agree that the friendships and experiences are invaluable due to the amount of time together. I simply meant most parents dont 'care" about the "wins and losses" enough to brag about it on a forum. Yes the experience has been great. No one cares who beat who.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.[/quote]

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]


Hello kids get recruited from teams not in the top 50 teams. And yes D1. Most top 10 teams have 5 or 6 amazing kids and rest 3 rating or lower. Delusional to think the bottom 1/3 of a top team would not be better off on another team.

Hello kids get recruited from teams not in the top 50 teams. And yes D1. Most top 10 teams have 5 or 6 amazing kids and rest 3 rating or lower. Delusional to think the bottom 1/3 of a top team would not be better off on another team.[/quote]

If your son is on a top team but not playing, he’s not getting recruited anywhere. The bottom third of these top teams never go D1 and most don’t play in College. You need to play to get better and be seen.

How are kids assigned stars by inside lacrosse?

NLF doesn't seem to have the brand or standing it once did, probably from all the teams they block out of the "best tournament".

Yes they do. It’s the end game for the best teams and players before college. Don’t be bitter because your kids team isn’t invited.

Half of the teams who show up to NLF are terrible.

instead of crying get to work! tryouts are only weeks away

The other half are the best in the country, though. NLF is still the class of the tournament scene. The best teams, best venues, best coaches watching. That’s the reality.

How can you be an NLF team (either founding or affiliate) and not show up to your own associations tournament at every grade?

Meh.

Some grad years yes. Others not really.

You must be new to lacrosse. In most states school lacrosse ends mid June.

It's not how it used to be. Let's just wait for this summer tourney to take place, and list how many Top 20 teams/programs in each bracket are not "invited" to the "BEST" tournament lol. Igloo, 2Way, TeamTEN, BBL, Hawks, 3d NE, Legacy...man the list can go on! If you want to be the National Championships--then just let everyone in and stopped being scared ha!

Funny! Nobody cares. All the best teams will be at the tournament.

Then take that into consideration when scheduling something.

No they won’t, that’s the entire point. Leading Edge blocks BBL, HHH blocks TeamTEN, Long Island teams not invited that are good etc.

Yes because HHH is [Censored] hurt they couldn’t land the team ten team….hhh should be a true lacrosse brand in 2 years

Or maybe it’s rude comments like this. Take a look in the mirror.

Wrong ...the what teams won't be ag the tournament. Why won't they let one of the top team BBL among others in? What a joke

Rumor has it that if you don't " kiss the ring " of a certain club (91)and one of its directors you get shut out . Once he throws a tantrum they don't allow you to play ...BBL, Hawks , Team 10 , Igloo, S2S and the list exoanda every year . Stop calling it "national" when you don't allow teams in because you're a man child and throw tantrums

Are there any other Philly area teams that HHH “lets in” to NLF anymore?? Seems like every good program has been shut out while HHH only has one good team left! This is why NLF doesn’t matter anymore with college coaches all going to NAL, Naptown, and NHSLS the “national” tourney with all the teams black balled is turning into a joke.

Wow... just looked at the HHH teams. What happened to that organization? The NLF should consider relegating them to protect the shield. They clearly aren't keeping up to standards that have been set.

NLF......national laughingstock federation

Found the LI dad whose kid is not on 91 or Express. Bitter to be on outside looking in.

So salty. The meltdown of the mean fat dad and the empty facility would be funny if it was not sad. Selling false promises and blaming others is coming home to roost. How about a little personal responsibility.

Sounds like there was a leak ....national leaky foundation

If it didn’t matter you would not be here crying. Reality setting in. Parents scrambling to get kids seen at nlf. Never seen kids jump ship in a recruiting year. This is a first.

It doesn’t matter chief…name me another sport/league/organization that allows you to block someone from your own backyard because they run the sport better than you do? Just pointing out how weak those clubs look, goes against everything that sport and competition stands for but keep justifying it, I bet you were the kid that took his ball and went home when the better kids showed up, weren’t you?

As the PP said, sounds like a spoilt fat mean ugly daddy. Thanks for also ruining Stoga lacrosse.

HS years, wins/losses mean nothing. HHH sends their boys to top schools/programs annually; that’s what parents should care about. But go on and brag how good your son’s team is and let us know how he does at Kingsborough CC

Yeah, I’m sure you’re correct. College coaches will be fighting each other for better positions on the sidelines to watch HHH teams go a combined 0-30 and get beat by 15 at every NLF tournament for the next 4-5 years

HHH has sent their kids to top tier schools. That will continue through the ‘25 class as that team has been a top ranked team loaded with talent for years. After that, there is a noticeably steep decline. They simply are not keeping up with the competition in the NLF. Resting on the laurels.

So while this guy keeps talking competition and sports, he is ignoring that this is a business for the clubs. The only way to keep this one particular business afloat is by offering the NLF exclusivity and hoping that families jump ship from their top tier youth teams for the promise of NLF.

My predictions… HHH will sell to a private equity firm within 3 years. The Rest of the NLF will follow suit within 5 years. The cost to play on an “NLF” team will double as they will continue to lock out clubs for exclusivity and college coaches want to put in minimal budgets to get the best players.

The "Best" "National" Tournament sure is missing a lot of the best teams:

NLF 29 Bracket - 25 Teams
Missing 7 of the top 20 from rankings
Annapolis Hawks #3
Next Level #9
FCA MD #10
Igloo #12
3D New England #14
NXT Black #17
Predators #19

NLF 28 Bracket - 25 Teams
Missing 8 out of top 25 from rankings
3D NE #4
2Way #5
BBL #6
Rhino ATL #8
FCA MD #9
Duke’s Elite #21
Freedom #22
FCA Upstate #23

NLF 27 Bracket - 27 teams
Missing 9 out of top 27 from rankings
ADVNC NDP #1
BBL #2
3d NE #12
Team TEN #15
S2S #16
Next Level #19
3D Georgia #20
Annapolis Hawks #23
2Way #27

NLF 26 Bracket - 27 teams
Missing 11 out of top 27 teams
DC Express #5
Team TEN #8
Predators #13
3D NE #14
BBL #15
Next Level #16
2Way #19
ADVNC NP #20
Towermen #22
S2S #24
3D Georgia #27

Scared much? Must have an advanced look at players leaving to join NLF teams.

Let's see.....NLF team director throws out select teams from competing in NLF tournament but the teams that were thrown out are scared .....yes that makes a lot of sense ....

Go take a look at the NLF brackets for next weekend . They have included B teams in the tournament while keeping out some top teams [Censored] as BBL .....can't be taken seriously. Stop the nonsense

I think those stats prove a point... but not the point you are making. I'd say those NLF tourneys are loaded with the top clubs. A few don't make it, but by and large the big boys are there.

And the exclusivity isn't about NLF teams being scared. That is just ridiculous. They built the brand. They can do what they want to maintain that brand. Plus we all know that every single player on one of these excluded teams would jump ship in a heartbeat to play with their local NLF team.

These NLF teams are deep. How many teams does Laxachusetts have? how many teams does express have? The lower division is for their aspiring teams. Again, these NLF directors now how to grow revenue. It ain't by having BBL play at their tournament. It's by having those BBL boys jump ship to the NLF baby! Iron Sharpens Iron!

Yup.....keep teams out that have challenged top NLY teams in the past WEAK....have fun blowing out the B teams . What a ridiculous assessment even by your weak and sad standards

Deep....aspiring teams ? Lax yellow gets smoked every time they touch the field as well as other B teams in the tournament. You're ridiculous. They will be there and will go 0-4 not sharpnening anything fool ....keep some top teams out and win the tournament....brilliant business strategy but weak lacrosse competition strategy

Correct. And they are. Will see a lot of new kids on the NLF teams this weekend, never to return again..... This is why you see the person referenced above in a funny freakout.

Yes... Fair point. The B team freak out is hilarious. Keep it up pal. Clearly you don't get it.

I don't think yot get it ....the point trying to be made is " why are they keeping top teams out from other clubs and allowing their lowly B teams in ?" Let's see this weekend after first day of games ....check out and see the records of lax yellow, true blue , among other B teams . True blue is a non competitive low B team and is allowed in. So you can't have it both ways and call it a "top club tournament" and say people are jealous that theyre not allowed in it when it's a known fact that certain directors are blocking some top teams out while allowing their B teams in . Stop calling it the summers biggest tournament blah blah blah its watered down at this point .

What happened to the Texas nationals....mad dog nationals, red hots, advnc ndp? All got blocked out too? Funny that you could still pretend that NLF is a big deal . You can look at the lineup and already see who will be playing in the winners brackets .....eclipse ,91, express, crabs ,kings and west coast strz...maybe lax black . The rest should just stay home

You sound very upset. Maybe go for a walk. If you keep talking to yourself on the walk, call your doctor. Or if your son still talks to you try him out at the same NLF team again. Maybe the other one down the road if you need a change. Maybe this is the year. Tryouts are just around the corner. Life is short. The glass is half full. You can do it. Just do it!

Ultimately it doesn't matter what you (or I) think. What do the scouts think? are the scouts gonna be lining the sidelines? I'm willing to bet the scouts don't think it's watered down and will be there with their cute little chairs and clipboards taking notes on kids that aren't your son. Tryouts are right around the corner. Time to get some work in and get on one of these NLF teams baby!

Again, how man kids from Lax yellow get recruited. I bet a bunch. In new england, it pays be in their organization. when your "b" team is top 20 it doesn't really feel like a b team.

Again it's not about winning the tournament and being crowned the "National Champion". 95% of the people there couldn't care less about that accolade. They aren't there to win the whole thing. They are there to get eyes on them. What don't you understand?

Top 20? Lol.....that team loses by two touchdowns at most tournaments...double diiall the time . Not a top 20 team ...what r u smoking ?

What happened to the Texas nationals? Also got kicked out ?

Lunatics. It’s not about winning this year. It’s about getting your son looks and on the radar by college coaches. Those coaches could care less what team wins or loses. The constant bickering about who plays what tourney is ridiculous NLF Etc. just enjoy the recruiting process. If your son is a good player. They will find him.

Yes, but if you’re playing in the wrong tourney and getting rinsed, then hard to get looks when getting beat badly

True. Coaches aren’t necessarily watching scores but if your son’s team is in the best tournaments and playing deeply into the championship bracket, that equates to more views which is definitely what your son wants.

You can views at a prospect day. Showcase or even a high school lacrosse season being on the best team isn’t only way to get on radar. Does it help sure. But not only way ..

350 college coaches at NLF this past weekend. A must attend if serious about lacrosse.

I’m not serious about lacrosse and even I was there.
Tryout for your local NLF team and get a front row seat to greatness

Not sure why everyone bashes NLF. Generally you going to play good teams if you are in the higher bracket. Hard pressed to find many other tournaments that have such a high concentration of top ranked teams (maybe Naptown and CrabFeast?). Coaches are clearly going. Yale Coach said at another event that even he goes to NLF. So for those bashing NLF, you can always stay at home.

That being said, I am generally not a big fan of club lacrosse and for those of you that are frustrated you can always drop club and spend your time and money going to a prospect days and showcases instead. But all in all I feel like the NLF is one of the better tournaments.

As advertised by far the most colleges there of any event. More than double the combined next two.Combined with NLF Opener there is little need for any other summer tournaments. Making a huge mistake if not part of these two.

The product on the fields is hands down the best that being said, the media company, rankings provider and showcase organizer also works for two NLF clubs. there is no Accountability

When does IL drop their list? The comparison will be interesting. It’s more for bragging rights it seems for the top clubs because whether it’s IL, NLF or Lax Magazine, most, if not all, of those players are going to be recruited by Christmas.

who runs lacrosse magazine

how about 4 kids missing from top 10

a bunch of clowns.

Who or what is behind lacrossemagazine.com? They appear to be ranking players, and then these get posted on social media. I'm curious as to how they determine these. As best I can tell, the girl player rankings look to be largely based upon who plays and stands out at either UA or AS.

They dont watch anything. You have to fill out a form and market yourself to some flunky who then sits down and ranks them. It is a highlight reel ranking done in a basement. Forget the rankings, did you even know there is a lacrossemagazine.com I think my kid has more followers.

Agreed ....but NLF has become a joke.to . anything run by chandick is a complete joke . He ranks all 91 coaches players high . Even his one percent showcases are laughable. They're a 91 love fest

Speaking for the 2024 class, the rankings are absolute key. I’m in no way saying they are accurate, but they absolutely matter. They create a feeding frenzy for the top 100 players, especially the top 50. They create HUGE demand for these players. Are they accurate? No, of course not. Do they matter? Yes. They matter in a very big way. Good luck to all of the ‘25s.

My son was on 91 for 10 years. Your statement is correct. But guess what? It’s the same with every other organization that runs events and has a vested interest in those events. This is club lacrosse. Said another way, this is $$$$$ lacrosse where everything is motivated by the all mighty dollar.

People like to bash 91 simply out of jealousy because they are now the biggest and the best. That brings out the small people. The haters. However, most top club teams are far more unethical than 91.

How many times was I approached by a 91 director and told to reclass in order for my son to stay “elite”? Absolutely never. Nor was anyone else on his #1 ranked (unanimous) team of 99% holdback free. That absolutely doesn’t happen on other top ranked teams.

In 10 years, my sons team had 1 person that could be considered a holdback, who was on the team as a favor and would be considered a holdback, by WSYL standards, by only 4 HOURS. That’s not even an holdback by MD standards. Other than that, never, ever had a holdback. Majority of players unchanged since 2nd grade.

Yet, over the 10 year existence of the team, they would have to be considered the best team at the grade. In the 5 years that teams were ranked, their team was ranked #1 3 times (IL, US Club Lacrosse, NLF). That is an astonishing accomplishment in and of itself, but when you consider that every team they played was at minimum a year older, it seems like an impossibility. But that’s what happened.

So you small people keep bashing the doers out there if it makes you feel better. But in the ugly under world of $$$ lacrosse, 91 is as ethical as you will find out there, and the most successful.

NLF Rankings are so bad in a 6 months they had a player in the Top 10, now not even in the Top 30. I guess pops stop writing the checks
or gave up the game..

question- should that player have been in the top 10? i mean seriously

Chandick don't forget your knee pads for when you're around the 91 directors and coaches . And for the ranter above ....maybe get yourself some medication . Nobody was bashing 91, just saying that anything run by chandick is a money grab so relax . Maybe you should join chandick with some knee pads too

Dude...if your son completed 10 years that would mean he's at the end of travel and possibly a senior in high school .....why are you still on youth lacrosse forums ...get a life

You have to give it up to 91 crew they do it the right way, they play there best only showcase a few kids and have there own media team.. well done.

NLF list so far more accurate again.

You are my favorite BOTC knucklehead. You really are, so proud of that 91 WolfPackUpandLeave team that you can bring any discussion to that and holdbacks. If you would actually read the words (letters form words, words for sentences, sentences have meaning, etc) you would see the post had nothing to do with reclassing but calling out Chandick for his 91 skewed rankings and OnePercent Showcase. Holdbacks or not Chandick rankings are skewed, lacrossemagazine doesnt actually exist and I am the proud dad of a reclass. Best decision ever and love to point it out every time you come on here and go on your rant. Ill check back in 5 years and youll still be going on about the same thing. Fire up Bruce and start singing about, them glory days. [Censored]!

Nobody can take NLF rankings seriously.... chandick ranks team 91 players way too high as he is always on his knees for the team 91 coaches.....shouldn't even be a consideration as to this point .

Would think the kids on the #1 ranked teams in country are pretty good, otherwise they would not be top ranked team and win all the time. So pretty logical the kids on the best program in the country are probably the best ranked players. What other great ideas are you cooking up over there?

Matt s--kdik......get your knee pads out for the 91 coaches and coaches kids ...sad . #1 ranked what ...not even close

Good assumption the PP kid didn’t get the rank dad wanted. Getting sauced early eh.

NLF rankings mean didly squat......go take a look on Instagram for all of the top D1 commits from clubs outside of the NLF.....and outside of the northeast as well. Anything that chandick runs is a money grab and nothing else . Stop paying the fool

18 of the top 20 on inside lacrosse rankings come from nlf teams.

Nlf teams and players are the best in the country. Deal with it.

Very true ....and just an FYI ....NLF is not a " group of 6 member clubs " with affiliated clubs . It's Team 91 running the show . Why they would pretend it's anything else if comical

The latest ND commit was graded 84 and 85 this summer yet ranked as a 4 star and #25 overall. Not a shot at him as he looks like a great player but why does IL have kids graded higher that are 3 star and/or unranked? I would’ve thought their ranking would be based on their evaluation.

Stop lying Matt s--kdik....you're a money grabbing clown .

Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.

Chandick is a " social media influencer"....he shouldn't be ranking anyone in any sport lol

Exactly.....can't deny the facts. Big commitments outside of the team 91 run NLF ....stop pretending that NLF means something

ADVNC is NLF through their partnership with Starz

NLF aka "ninetyone lacrosse federation " and Matt s--kdik is nothing more than a ninetyone groupie and social media " influencer '

Same with Hawks, 3D, sometimes FCA

Incorrect ....hawks , 3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . Those are facts . 91 runs the NLF and makes all final decisions on who can enter the tournament. That is why it has become a watered down joke and means nothing anymore . This year there will be uscl club championships for the top 16 teams in the country . That's what will matter as no one is blocked and 91 can't influence the brackets . NLF is a thing of the past .

I must disagree - every D1 team has 1 if not all of their coaches at the NLF. It is an incredible scene. I'm sure there are plenty of other great events for other teams to play in but the NLF is pretty legit. It may not be the absolute best teams but the teams there are getting scene by lots of school.

I don't know anything about the USCL club championship. Are the NLF teams going to it? Given the platform they have built for their teams it would surprise me if they diluted it.

I think the USCL championship in Richmond Aug 1st - 4th. If i recall correctly, Aug 1 is the start of the "dead period" meaning college coaches are not allow to attend. I am sure it would be a fun event but by Mid July people are burnt out from club lax. Seems like it might be lightly attended. Additionally, if you are like me and don't really care for club lacrosse going to Richmond during the period after an insanely long summer of lacrosse is not likely to happen. Maybe I am off base on this one.....

No, you are correct and most Hawks 3D ADVNC do attend nlf. fool people spreading weird misinformation on here.

Learn how to read .....those teams you speak of have been " blocked out for certain years " not all years . It's all run by Team 91 and if in a certain year the coaches in that respective year " lax off " any of the team 91 directors/coaches they are told they're not allowed to go to NLF. Facts

Absolutely incorrect. Not "all D1 coaches " are at NLF. Stop watching the bogus chandick media Instagram feeds . He's a social media influencer that's all . They'll show you a picture of a few coaches sitting down with a clipboard and say " every D1 coach in the country is here". Lies . Besides there are plenty other options available to be " looked at ".

Definitely not all D1 coaches are at NLF. But the vast majority of them, including head coaches. You’d be hard pressed to come up with other events with that many coaches.

The wealth of knowledge is incredible from this serial poster, can you do us all a favor and post more than five times a day like you are doing.

I did not rely on Chandick or anyone else to provide this info - I have seen it with my own eyes. Loads of coaches sweating their jerks off at Lehigh (UMass a couple of year ago). Maybe some schools / coaches skip the NLF but the coaches sideline is pretty full. I did hear the Drexel coach talk about looking other places for players in the podcast he did for Inside Lacrosse. I bet they still send some to the NLF events.

Yes. detest it when those no name coaches like Lars and Shay show up to the useless NLF events. Let’s face it not everyone is at NLF but the majority of D1 and high level d3 coaches are there. Maybe not the best tournament but still one of the tops when it comes to viability. Don’t like it then you don’t have to come. Plenty of tournaments to go around but you can’t detest on something that does pretty good.

One thing people have to realize is even NLF and some other tournaments are great interns of coaches attending, don’t expect to get “discovered” at any of the tournaments or showcases. Coaches generally have a list of players they are there to specifically scout l. They aren’t wandering around look to discover talent. It always makes me laugh when people post about winning tournaments in high school. Coaches aren’t sitting around waiting for the championship game. Your team could go 0-4 but if you play well and you are on a list, then you done OK. Nobody cares about wins and losses in high school club.

Out of curiosity...how do the kids get on " the list " that you speak of . Who recommends the players to make the list for the coaches who come to watch

Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.

Hahaha...chandick yiurw really something else . Keep making stuff up ...you're nothing more than a social media influencer. Relax with the NLF stuff ....you have managed to water it down to almost nothing. Nobody cares about the NLF anymore

Great question. Lacrosse recruiting, probably like other sports but seems to be very too heavy in lax, is all about connections. The “list” is all about the kids who play in the too high schools and to a lesser extent, the top clubs in the country because that is who the college coaches trust in terms of a pipeline; those high schools (and clubs) who have a proven track record. Go to any high level d1 (or d3) college and the majority (not all) of their roster have blue blood lax high school pedigree. Part of that high school pedigree includes the fact that many of them are excellent at academics so it checks two boxes off for college coaches. That’s how a coaches list is made. Are there exceptions to the rule? Sure but that is how it generally happens.

However I would say this for only the top 30 in d1 and top 15 in d3. For the the remaining d1 d2 and d3 (“less heralded players”) much of their list is actually done as a combination of the above process and through college scouting either through film or actually tournaments and prospect days. So yes it is possible to be “discovered” at these tournaments but in all honesty much of it is spam. My kids, when they went through it, after a tournament would get spammed by a dozen colleges saying they saw him play at “x” tournament and would like them to come to a prospect day, campus visit, or even rarely “an offer”

The one thing I would say though about my above statement about “less heralded” players being discovered? You don’t need to go that route. If you don’t want to play at the top d1 and d3 schools, if your kid is a decent player, they can always reach out to their preferred school and as long as they aren’t an elite lax school and the player is decent, there are plenty of matches that can be made. The problem is that lax has become so top heavy in terms of what we see in social media we tend to forget about the other 75 d3 and 250 d3 schools (and maybe even the bottom 15 d1 schools). Plenty of spots out there. Reach out to a coach and “get on their list” or have your coaches reach out. That coach will come and watch you at any tournament.

You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything . NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation..it's become an embarrassment

Youre not invited so stop saying no thanks and based on your ranting I imaging not invited many places. You really think Chandick is what college coaches listen to? Yes, he is a social media influencer. Good on him for finding a niche. You dont like it dont look at it or follow it. Just like, if i knew what business you were in I would def avoid it. Go back to your Pinnacle, NAL or whatever B tournament your C kid can play in. Follow the thread..Nassau CC has club lax right?

There is only one embarrassment on here Fella, you.

No dog in this fight but the way you rant? It sounds like you really want to be part of the part and you are crying you were not invited. You don’t sound like some who could care less about the NLF

Awesome. Someone found a place farther away and more hot than Delaware. Throw in the extra humidity, no coaches and end of summer burn out and I'm sure it will be a high quality event.

So true. If NLF is so bad and so watered down and no coaches are at NLF whats your plan and big play? NAL is the place to be, cool great event, we are NLF and go to that too. Naptown? Used to be good and we are NLF and go to that? Cmon, where should we all be thats not watered down because it feels like to me we play all the top teams at all the top tournaments, NLF being one of them and the one we look forward to winning.....in part because its one of the few places you can find the 91 teams that hide out all summer. Hater of 91 and NLF, whats the right 4 tournament schedule for 2026's?

why because social media influencer is some high degree job that requires some kind of knowledge? guy could go rank anything he wants, you dont have to look. Rankings are subjective. Not a single coach hat recruited my son referenced having seen him on Matt's IG or website. They all said they saw him PLAY a lot this summer.

When you get called on stuff the typical 91 company line is " you're a hater " lol. Predictable . There are plenty of tournaments all over the East Coast with top competition. Just because you lost all day on Instagram doesn't change the facts . Mamyy, many kids outside if the so called "NLF membership clubs " are being recruited to top D1 schools every day now. Go back to pretending your important

Don't forget the fact that teams will have had tryouts for the next club year after the rankings are set and before the tournament occurs. That won't be awkward at all. My guess is the whole thing gets scrapped before the first attempt even happens

Which would be a bummer. I like the idea of the best teams battling it out. You get that at Naptown but all the other tournaments are political and prevent teams from playing.

Not gonna happen Aug 1-4. That is basically the only completely free week of the summer for kids who play fall sports. There is a reason that week is free.

Check inside lacrosse website. Their top 2025’s rankings. Do the count. Far majority of top ranked players on their site come from nlf clubs.[/quote]

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.[/quote]
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare them to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waste of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so they're going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.[/quote]


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything. NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation. It's become an embarrassment[/quote]

No dog in this fight but the way you rant? It sounds like you really want to be part of the part and you are crying, you were not invited. You don’t sound like some who could care less about the NLF[/quote]
So true. If NLF is so bad and so watered down and no coaches are at NLF what's your plan and big play? NAL is the place to be, cool great event, we are NLF and go to that too. Naptown? Used to be good and we are NLF and go to that? Cmon, where should we all be that's not watered down because it feels like to me we play all the top teams at all the top tournaments, NLF being one of them and the one we look forward to winning.....in part because its one of the few places you can find the 91 teams that hide out all summer. Hater of 91 and NLF, what's the right 4 tournament schedule for 2026's?[/quote]


When you get called on stuff the typical 91 company line is " you're a hater " lol. Predictable. There are plenty of tournaments all over the East Coast with top competition. Just because you lost all day on Instagram doesn't change the facts . Many, many kids outside if the so called "NLF membership clubs " are being recruited to top D1 schools every day now. Go back to pretending your important[/quote]

,,,leave the critique to Islanders who know what's going on capisce.

Non NLF clubs ADVNC, BBL, Hawks, FCA, 3D, Team10, etc... seem to be doing very well where it actually matters - commitments.[/quote]
Stop it. Your animonsity blinds you. Take Team 10 for example and compare then to HHH. Same market, NLF HHH has 10x the commits and to top schools no less. All kids leave BBL for Leading Edge in HS so they can play NLF and the recruiting results show it. You can dislike Matt all you want, seems a waster of energy, but facts are facts. Players aim to get to NLF clubs and NLF clubs have the results. Hawks and 3d are the same company so theyre going to go their events. Blame them for following the money.[/quote]


You block teams from entering based on tabtifeon some of your 91 directors then allow your B teams to play in the NLF tournaments.....no thanks ...not missing anything . NLF = ninetyone lacrosse federation..it's become an embarrassment[/quote]

No dog in this fight but the way you rant? It sounds like you really want to be part of the part and you are crying you were not invited. You don’t sound like some who could care less about the NLF[/quote]
So true. If NLF is so bad and so watered down and no coaches are at NLF whats your plan and big play? NAL is the place to be, cool great event, we are NLF and go to that too. Naptown? Used to be good and we are NLF and go to that? Cmon, where should we all be thats not watered down because it feels like to me we play all the top teams at all the top tournaments, NLF being one of them and the one we look forward to winning.....in part because its one of the few places you can find the 91 teams that hide out all summer. Hater of 91 and NLF, whats the right 4 tournament schedule for 2026's?[/quote]


When you get called on stuff the typical 91 company line is " you're a hater " lol. Predictable . There are plenty of tournaments all over the East Coast with top competition. Just because you lost all day on Instagram doesn't change the facts . Mamyy, many kids outside if the so called "NLF membership clubs " are being recruited to top D1 schools every day now. Go back to pretending your important[/quote]

[Censored] posts as bad as the kid plays,,,leave the critique to Islanders who know whats going on capisce.[/quote]

I am Matt s--kdik and I approve this message .

3D, BBL, and a few others were not invited to the NLF tournament. Go take a look. They were all at a different end of season tournament. Apparently they were " blocked " by a 91 director in certain age groups . [/quote]


THE LEAGUE announcement got it. Was wondering why all the incessant noise from NLF jealous hatin' inferior clowns. Bah-bye now back to them being clown teams again.

3D, BBL, Next Level, FCA and several other clubs can play in a summer end tournament and a have a great time. All great programs with great players. It’s fine, right?

Alliance Lacrosse League is born. Bye bye NLF.

Circuit failure redo. Only fools wouldn’t plaY NLF unless not good enough to compete.

Lol..right . Why would anyone want to play an NLF tournament littered with B teams in it . Once again it's run by 91. It's a watered down joke with B teams all over the field because they blocked out other good A teams so had to find fillera . Joke , NLF=ninetyone lacrosse federation

Whatever you say Shore2Shore dad.

Not even close .....not a s2s dad but nice try Matt . Have fun with your B team filled event . Lipstick on a pig is still a pig .

Is Matt paying rent for all that space in your head he is taking up? Granted it is clearly a small space shared with some concerning thoughts. He didnt rate your kid and doesnt rate your program. You should probably get over it. Give us one good, Good day to be an Outlaw and then get back to your B team tournaments.

Of the 2025s committed 70% of them from NLF teams.

2032 dad, thank you for posting. As we start the club process posts like this make it worth while to check this site out. Want to spend wisely and NLF seems place to spend it.

Current recruiting environment favors those programs who recruit their tails off vs the lazy ones. Sure, it's easy to follow the crowd: primarily watch NLF teams, primarily talk to NLF club directors, look at IL rankings, and call it a day. But "fools gold" is at an all time high. Many NLF players who are hyped up rarely work out (and many obviously do). At the same time, there are many great players out there at non-NLF clubs without the hype and have incredible college careers at high level college programs.

More kids are playing lacrosse at a high level than ever before - and a lot of those kids don't play for NLF clubs (and many do). But IMO, the "70% of recruits from NLF Clubs" stat (factual or not) would have me drooling more than ever if I was one of the programs who has found success in the past from taking a broader approach to recruiting.

The old needle in a haystack strategy. That is a strategy!

Drooling ? Lol....matt you're too much . Funny how your post on IG says "70% NLF and affiliates ".....so now even if a team isn't part of your NLF group but you invited them to an NLF tournament they are an " affiliate " and you include them in your statistics . You're dumber than I thought and that's pretty dense . Keep grinding matt ....too many people can see what you're up to with your watered down NLF then you now have to include " affiliates " loo

It's funny how Matt likes to spew statistics based on how own NLF rankings ...here is a fact to digest . One of the biggest showcases has an application process which akas for a coaches recommendation. It also makes a point to say ....no club team necessary......high school name and high school coach recommendation required. So not only does the NLF mean nothing anymore but some kids don't even play club and do just fine with the recruiting process if they choose to go to the next level . Stop with the nonsense.

The 70% seems pretty accurate based on some light research. For the 25 class about 70% of the teams in the top 25 are NLF affiliates. The non NLF teams in the top 25 seem to be doing just as well as the NLF teams with 8-10 D1 recruits each. The takeaway seems to be that a lot of the top teams are NLF and the top teams have the top recruits. Not surprising. What would be surprising would be to see highly successful non NLF teams WITHOUT a bunch of commitments. Clearly the non NLF clubs are doing just fine getting their kids exposure.

Alliance Lacrosse League, blahahhahhahhaha.
70% of players come from NLF invited teams. Whats interesting is, a large portion of the 30% not NLF then come from Prep or private school. Public + Non NLF is another strategy for you to look at.

Can you share some recent commitments who did not play club?

Funny.Had two already go through the process successfully. In our experience the recruit process was not easy even and agree important to try and stack the deck as much as you can in a process there is little control of. We played it safe and went the top NLF Island program, well known private school with awesome history which the club helped get them into, brand name coach who placed a lot of former successful college players with our NLF team. Got to be friendly over the years with his college coaches. What they shared is that it helps playing against the best and being tested under fire against the best. Uniformally coaches know that is NLF. Remember these schools also have a long lacrosse schedule so it is hard to see the kids outside of summer. Colleges dont have resources and cant come to a lot of high school games.So our theory was make it count in the summer. One of ours got seen at the first NLF one and another at the bigger late NLF summer one. Both club and high school coach got our kids seen for the summer tournaments and the coaches were at those tournaments.What I mean by seen is they would reach out before the summer and try to get interest in each kid before the summer season and try to get our kids on the rights schools lists to be seen that summer. Other tournaments they told us they attended were crabs one in baltimore, nlf img one, and a few summer showcases NLF helps with. Had friends who went the less traditional routes and they had a much harder time and ended up spending a lot more money. All the kids were good players so looking back and for youngest following the same route. The NLF club coach really helped us know who was interested in each kid and narrow it down. We did not do much prospect days with money and travel needed.One of ours was on the NLF rankiungs which really helped. He was a great athlete so that is that. But if we hadnt done NLF I wonder if there would have been such substantial interest the whole way. Thinking no as a friends kid who was athletic and big got very few looks and friends story was disappointment sadly. For the less athletic one but had great skills, his process was different. Club coach and high school coach narrowed his recommendations to programs looking for his skills. That really helped and got a lot more interest and success. He went to a solid college program that was really good academically so that really paid off. After the process was over both got named to IL which was fun but that did not help the process. Showcase thing we spent a lot of money and still not sure it paid off. My advice is go to a coach and NLF team that has put loads of kids into college. Getting $ for colleges is a whole other game and we didnt try to go down that road but will be working to 90 to pay the bills. Hope this was helpful.

Thanks for this post.Occasionally find that kernel of experienced knowledge that really helps. Got to think there is a silent majority of us out here looking for help.

In the end it depends what your goal is. If you want to play at a high level in college the NLF clubs do well. The reason they will continue to do well is as time goes and colleges continue to draw from the “NLF well”, the more they will rely on that trusted pipeline because they have developed that connection. Can you get there from a non NLF club? Absolutely but it’s because those clubs have also established a very nice pipeline (2way jumps to mind in this area)

It’s not as important if your kid doesn’t want to play at a high level because those connections don’t matter as much. Some schools are so desperate for players they don’t care about your pedigree.

But in the end NLF is successful because the produce a known product. When colleges are evaluating 2 players that are exactly the same, they are more likely to go with the known club. Do you want to buy your Mac from Apple or from Joes Apple Products on the dark web. When it comes to club, buyer beware. Do your due diligence when researching clubs. Don’t look at a clubs splashy commits by of which they may only have 1-2 but look at all of their commits and what were they over time.

Some NLF clubs are very different from each other. For ex, some NLF clubs are run like a showcase team vs others who keep a consistent roster throughout the year. Some NLF clubs monetize their NLF affiliation in a major way (which leads to much higher costs for families), some NLF club directors are much better at helping their players get recruited vs others. So even w/in the NLF world, there are major differences amongst some of the NLF clubs. Just depends on where you live.

Bottom line..NLF or not, much of the decision making when choosing a club is 1. Who are the club directors and do they have broad relationships amongst all the D1 schools (this usually comes packaged with directors who have played and/or coached at the highest level), 2. the quality of play and the club teams ability to compete with anyone (no one cares who wins summer games), and 3. the club's history of placing kids at the right college program. The most misleading aspect can be the later given some clubs have no conscience on claiming rights for getting kids recruited (played in one game or one tournament with that club - yet he makes their commitment list).

The incentive of getting kids recruited is shared by all clubs - this is what they are selling. So they need to deliver. Otherwise they don't have a sustainable business. But like any business, the current state today will not be the current state in a few years and the structure of recruiting will be different. New big time clubs and events will emerge as competition is getting more fierce than ever (big changes already percolating). So the younger families will need to stay in tune to the ever changing landscape (as we know they will).

Matt chandick is nothing more than a " social media darling "...his rankings and ig posts mean nothing ..he's the Kardashians of youth lacrosse

Show us on the doll where he hurt you, clown.

i will tell you what is wrong with nlf rankings at least this year , Chandick put kids on the list that are not playing for NLF teams. the kid from BBL stands out. now I ask you , if you can get ranked by the NLF and still not play on an NLF team, doesn't that send a bad message?

Seek help!

let me spin it this way , If you joined a country club, paid 50k in initiation, and then they let in the public, what would be the point of you paying the initiation?

Does everyone realize that only the kids and parents care about these rankings anyway? Coaches sure don't.

I think your wrong, I do think coaches make their own determinations, but when a college recruiting class has 5 - 5 stars, 4 -4 stars and 3 - 3 stars, that is a benchmark on the recruiting class, I have seen kids get moved from 3 to 4 stars and then bang suddenly they are going to Hopkins the next day . let me at least say this, its not the bible, but i think having 4 stars or higher is helpful . I am in no way implying that its anywhere near perfect or not completely corrupt

If kids "bang suddenly" are going to top schools, it's because those top schools already had them high on their own lists.

I'm not wrong. These coaches trust themselves way more than they trust any third party.

With a simple multi-factored regression analysis, with years of data from open sources, it is clear the NLF Ranking is the most successful analysis on the market. Data and resulting correlation suggest almost a one for one match on results. Mr. Chandik seems to be using a factor analysis for his work. It would be helpful if he would publish his source code. Of course, there are other candidates taken not on the NLF list for early recruiting. However the NLF list mathematically is the most accurate according to the data. However, there could be internal data from various universities that is not openly presented that has higher success results. IL lacrosse is more of a reported after the fact issue. Much like a newspaper. Seems to use produced results and a qualitative aspect. That analysis has use like a newspaper has use and is a central data repository. But the IL data here is inconsistent due to inconsistent inputs and authors of the data. For NLF is appears the work is organically collected. Please chime in if there are flaws in this analysis or changes that need to be made to the assumptions herein.

But when the AD walks in at the end of the season and says you were 4-10 This year. The college coach can say. “ we had a banner recruiting class 40’stars etc etc etc. what more can I do. it’s like job security.

Also point of the comment above was this. These schools are getting these kids from 3-4 stars prior to the commitment.


“Hey Ty Xander give this kid 4 stars instead of 3”.

The rankings problem it sways to the kids that play the most tournaments and showcases because seen the most. Every kid ranked high did a lot of showcases.

Math is not my area so if I am not understanding what you wrote right please tell were wrong. Your post and the other two since, are saying NLF rank is used to recruit the players? You are saying that as the math says NLF ranks get recruited and after the ranking is out? IL gives the stars after the recruiting done, that about right? And interested to hear parents takes on this if already done if you can.

I'm not saying that there isn't any merit in the NLF rankings. I'm saying that college coaches don't care nearly as much as NLF-aligned parents do.

He’s trying to come off smart using ChatGPT to write him something. Both rankings are based on eyes and ears. What do the evaluators see and how is it backed up by the coaches they speak to. My son was ranked in both and i know for a fact several evaluators watched him play, talked to his club coach and other coaches about him. I can also tell you I asked two college coaches that recruited my son if the rankings mattered. They cited them as another source of information but not a bible. They check them, are aware but follow up on their own. IL seems to align with coaches view as pretty much all their 5 and 4 and most stars are committed. One of the coaches i discussed this with also said Chandick rankings were too early to see if they are any good because they are relatively new.

Depends on which college coach you ask. Some coaches are fine with sharing information with the 2 evaluators at IL, but other coaches have no interest in sharing their evaluations and opinions on recruits with IL. My son is a senior in college. He was ranked a 3 star and has had a successful career thus far. Several 4 and 5 stars on his team don't play. It was a heavily touted class measure by the star ratings - but it meant nothing with regards to the projection of the team. Surprised to see nothing has changed with the HS player ranking system in lacrosse. Seeing how many good players are out there and the lack of credibility the current ranking systems pose, it's easy to imagine someone stepping in and creating an unbiased accurate ranking system.

IL isnt worth $ imo. Evals are all biased and have conflicts like owning a club. Why NLF and Chandik ate their lunch gooble gooble.

Yes, very biased rankings based on different factors. NLF tied in with IL and the showcases so unless you do both or at least one hard to get the stars.

where is TY Xanders headed ?

Curious to see how quickly NLF stops ranking players/clubs that are now apart of ALL. NLF only ranks their own and IL gives a participation ribbon (i.e. 3 star) to every player. Hopefully Ty ranks players outside his backyard in his new gig.

Agreed .... absolutely absurd that chandick who is paid by dynamic who owns team 91 and runs the NLF (common knowledge by now ) cools have a hand in any player rankings . Biased isn't even the word to be used .... outrageous is more like it .

It is pretty easy to see its one guy on here posting.Nobody fooled by your antics.

No antics ....everyone can connect the dots . You're not fooling anyone Matty boy . And dynamic doesn't fool anyone either . It's all on the websites for anyone to see how you're all paid by dynamic and team 91 runs everywhere including NLF

If you pay for showcases you will get ranked higher it is that simple, but college coaches do seem to follow the rankings and stars.

No they don't. At least not most of them. They trust their own eyes. That's why it can be worth investing in at least a few of the bigger showcases.

NLF has become a biased joke . What do you get when you allow all teams to compete ....go look at the NAL this weekend ...it has become the biggest tournament of them all both in the spring and fall. And why is that ? Because it allows any team to enter as it should be . No blocking teams etc....

And now we know why BBL has been blocked out of the NLF.....gave 91 machine a beat down today 8-0

Eclipse beat them today and they play NLF

Your point is not made

Who cares. It’s high school and a Fall season. Players were missing. Will see when the Summer comes.

8-0 was at the half -- stopped game because of a fight

If you don't believe that the NLF is biased and run by Team 91....go ahead and look at what happened last week at the NAL tournament (they don't control that tournament)....their top older teams got beat down by top competition. Fast forward to this weekends NLF tournament and team 91 older teams have a lollipop schedule. Don't believe it ....go see for yourself it's all in tourney machine . So enough enough with the whole NLF is a big deal talk .....it's very easy for everyone to see what's going on and how it's watered down and controlled by 91

Was losing to BBL (not in the NLF) 8-0 ....they resorted to fighting and cleaning the benches to stop the bleeding and gane was called . So ..yes point is made . Got beat down and embarrassed by a non-NLF team ....read it and weap

Was it ever a question of whether or not 91 controlled it?

I’m going to go see for myself that at least 18 kids of the Shock team committed so far to top D1 schools. I could not possibly care any less who they play this weekend. I do know with how bitter you are day in and day out about the NLF that your child’s club does not have that record of success.

Plain as day for everyone to see for themselves....go look at USCL rankings for high school years 25, 26 and 27.....half if not more in some of those years of the top 10 are from outside of the NLF....facts hurt but facts don't lie

No skin in this game but aren’t you kind of making the arguement FOR the NLF? Half are from the NLF and they are only a couple of clubs va rest of the country has the remaining half? Much smaller cohort with the same amount sounds pretty strong.

NLF has become a total joke in terms of their tournaments and rankings. The blackball stiff competition to protect their teams. They have some great teams and success getting kids on college teams. So do the teams they are black balling. They should have enough pride to face the best competition. They will when some and lose some.

your facts are wrong, the ranking system is debunked, the new conference that will fall flat on its face did a deal with the rankings so they inflated the ranks of terrible teams. look how they have horrible teams with horrible records at the top of their bogus ranks this season, everyone knows this, so inside lax and nlf ranking are the authority for rankings again, case closed

2025 commits are over 80% from NLF. Listen to the numbers.

You cant have it both ways -- cant say ALL "did a deal with the rankings" and then say the NLF rankings are the authority.

Of course NLF rankings are going to be biased towards their teams/players.

And if ALL ever comes out with team/player rankings I'm going to assume they'll do the same thing.

Besides the USClub rankings in the fall mean nothing

2025 commits are less than 20% from NLF Listen to the numbers.

The numbers are going to surprise some people

It was posted that 80% of the d1 commits were NLG and the math and club break down recently. If that is incorrect could you please post your breakdown of <20% as that is a a huge discrepancy

Oh, it was posted, then that must be correct. Please provide a comprehensive list of all the 2025 D1 lacrosse committs, the schools they committed to and their clubs.

Inside Lacrosse has a comprehensive list on their Commits page.

2025 Division 1 Commits
Working A through D (Air Force through Duke)

143 Commits. 57 different Club teams represented. 5 commits with no club listed. 93 from private high schools. 50 from public schools. 10 from LI public schools. 2 from LI private schools. 50 from NLF clubs (35%). 93 from non NLF clubs (65%)

Limited data because there are 52 more teams to work through.


Limited data interpretations:

1) Lacrosse has gone country wide. There are commits from states all across the country.

2) Heavy private school influence.

This appears to be good information. I can't find the club affiliation. Can you point me in the right direction. 35% for NLF clubs is still impressive, but a far cry from 80%.

Thanks for the data! I think that looks a bit low for NLF clubs - did you account for all the regional affiliates? Take a look at private vs public in the DMV, it's like 90 - 95% D1 kids are private vs public. It definitely has gone national though, it seems like every year the traditional hotbeds (DMV, LI, UpstateNY) provide fewer recruites.

What happens to your data set when you add the 8 NLF affiliate teams to the equation?

I will work through the rest of the teams within the next few days and try to complete this. While I might be fool, it’s actually been a bit of an eye opener into reality.

There’s some questions. Remember I only went through 8-10 teams already. So there’s a long way to go, including many of the traditional “powerhouse” teams.

The info is on Inside Lacrosses Commits page. I’m doing 2025 Division 1 only. To get a players club team you have to individually click on each player and gonto teams (the time consuming part). If a club team is not listed and incan’t find the player in a quick google search, it goes on my list as “no club team listed”. If Inside Lacrosse has it wrong, it is what it is.

As for the “are you taking nlf affiliates” into question. Yes, i am counting their affiliates.

The 70% NLF statement was made early in the recruitment window process. So yeah, maybe on October 15, 70% of Div 1 commits were from NLF teams, but by now (early December) we are starting to see an overall reality of where players come from, and they are coming everywhere, including from alot of places we don’t consider lax hot beds (Florida, Minnesota, California, Texas, North Carolina). Are they all going to Duke or Cornell? No, but some are.

I think part of it is - clubs claim kids if the EVER played for them. So it could have been in 8th grade or it could have been as a guest player at one point. So that could be part of the claim of 80%. The other part is you have 14 programs in the NLF. They have been around for a while. So of course they are good, they get the good players, and therefore may have higher numbers. But the "newer" programs are coming in hot these days...so the numbers will start to even out. I think the biggest take away - private vs public...and that is a shame...

80% commits from NLF and affiliates. But the other guy does not want to hear that.

80% commits from NLF and affiliates. But the other guy does not want to hear that.[/quote]

You're literally ignoring hard data and analysis. What does it matter to you anyway?

Guys the 70% thing is not going to hold up now.

Maybe in the first month when 30-40 kids were off the board.

Too many commits now. I’ve worked down through Maryland alphabetically (Air Force - Maryland).

291 total commits
112 Public
179 Private
18 LI Public
8 LI Private
80 total club teams represented
8 with no club listed


I’ll add in the new 3D Alliance (3D, BBL, Dogs, Next Level, Sweetlax; with affiliates Legacy, S2S, 2Way, Team Ten & Evolve) for this too, so the NLF hater that runs around here saying it’s dead and no one cares, can have his moment in the sun. They have some good numbers.

3D Alliance Commits: 76 (26.1%)
NLF Commits: 92 (32%)
All others: 123 (42%)

Commits from LI schools total: 26 (9%)

34 teams worked through.
34 more teams to work through.
So we’re at the halfway point!


Halfway interpretations:

Private schools at 60% of commits



Personal Observations as this is worked out:

The typical higher end schools are overwhelmingly private school kids. I don’t want to disparage any school or the achievements of any of the young men that have committed or are striving for future commitment, but private school and a top tier club program seem to lead to what we all consider the “best” schools.

It was posted by breakdown of club with the actual numbers is yes it was true. Numbers probably have changed since October when it was posted but I doubt it’s 20%. But yes some posts are actually true. Just because you don’t agree with them doesn’t make it not true. But you probably argue with math too.

You're literally ignoring hard data and analysis. What does it matter to you anyway?[/quote]

Not ignoring. The 80% was true back in September (?) for the early commits which the majority are are the top d1 schools. That includes affiliates.

That number has changed as mid-low d1 has recruited their commits so it’s not 80% anymore. I know it must be hard for you to understand that data changes as time goes by. But maybe to make it as easy to you to undestand: what was true back then may not make it true now, but still does not change the fact it was true back then.

For the top twenty college lacrosse programs NLF and affiliates are closer to 85%.

Pick the top 20 and i’ll break them down after infinish the big project.

I did a few top programs quickly. Main project of overall D1 commits won’t be done till next week.

Duke: 5 of 7 commits from NLF teams
Maryland: 3 of 11 commits from NLF teams
UNC: 8 of 10 commits from NLF teams
Notre Dame: 9 of 13 commits from NLF teams
UVA: 8 of 9 commits from NLF teams

We can all agree those are good lacrosse programs considered “top 20”.

In that small sample we have 50 commits with 33 coming from NLF teams. 66%.

Given the small amount of teams in the NLF and their affiliates compared to the rest of the country, thats not to bad of a % and it was def higher back in September

The reality is people who say the NLF has no standing anymore in lacrosse clearly have a grudge for some personal reason. They are relevant

The people who say the NLF is the only way to go are also delusional becuase there are plenty of kids from around the country that are not NLF and do great

BUT, if I had to chose one club for my kid to get into a top school? I would roll the dice with an NLF club right now but in 5 years, that may not be the truth

Division 1 Commits 2025 Grad year

All info was obtained from Inside Lacrosse Commitments.

95 individual clubs represented with at least 1 commit

554 total commitments to date
219 (39.5%) from public high schools
335 (60.5%) from private high schools
204 (36.8%) from NLF teams
152 (27.4%) from the new 3D Alliance
356 (64.2%) total from NLF and 3D Alliance combined

Personal observations while making the list:
- students from private high schools are the majority at the “top” lacrosse schools
- I had to look up alot of these high schools and wow, some very high tuition
- nation wide lacrosse commitments. Plenty of kids from TX, MN, CA, GA, NC

For the Long Island people
53 (9.5%) total commits
37 from public school
16 from private schools

Teams with 15 or more commits (in no order):
Sweetlax FL
Mad Dog National
Laxachusetts
LI Express
Team 91 MD
Eclipse
3D New England
Annapolis Hawks
Team 91 Charlotte/Carolina
Team 91 Long Island

Most commits (teams tied in each spot)
1. Annapolis Hawks & Sweetlax Fl
2. 3D New England & Laxachusetts
3. Eclipse & Team 91 LI

Good luck to all the young men going forward.

Not sure I caught all of them but for the DMV I counted 67 commits with only 2 of those being public school.

Thank you or putting the time into this. A lot of people on these boards honestly don't deserve it haha.

Deserve or not, some people are gonna get reality checked down the line. LI parents especially. The perennial top 2 from there have a good number of out of town kids on the team that committed. Just because your kid plays in 2nd-6th grade, watch your back because the door is always open for bigger and better players.