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If a H.S Varsity Lacrosse coach only showed his face for the actuall spring season they would not be in the job for too long.

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Garden City just developed its "stay in town" program a few years ago. Their best players went out of town to play club.
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Garden City just developed its "stay in town" program a few years ago. Their best players went out of town to play club.
some still do.


Many do go outside but they also had a very strong town program. It all starts at the ground level youth ball.

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If a H.S Varsity Lacrosse coach only showed his face for the actuall spring season they would not be in the job for too long.


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I think what people forget is that in NYS, and more specifically Long Island a coach is not geting removed from the HC position if the team loses. The coaches at all HS programs are first and foremost teachers, most at the respective school they are coaching at. This is not Texas or Florida where the program runs the school. The teachers union and school boards run the respective schools. So a coach can lose and lose and lose and guess what, he'll still be coaching as long as the kids are graduating and not getting into trouble.

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Garden City just developed its "stay in town" program a few years ago. Their best players went out of town to play club.
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Many do go outside but they also had a very strong town program. It all starts at the ground level youth ball.


The strong HS Programs on Long Island have been that way for a long time. long before the club teams came to be. Times have changed and now the most competitive lacrosse is played at the club level. Youth through HS, Club is where the best players go to compete.

Shame on anyone who attempts to strong arm players into playing only for a town team at any level.


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this thread is about h.s. teams being encouraged to stay in their town for summer lacrosse. not town youth programs.

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It all starts at the youth level and builds all the way up to the High School level. In my opinion a team that plays together from youth through high school at any level is a strong team. With all the movement that is seen in the club travel programs you see less continuity. Players are bouncing from team to team. When you live in a town and play with the same town players for a long time the team is usually better at the high school level.

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danger is that if you only play on exclusively a town team thru youth and into h.s. aren't roles and depth kind of set and difficult to break into? if kids play outside during summer or fall they may get more touches, play with a variety of players and develop skills that may be never seen as a backup or defined role player on team they began to play with at 8-9 yrs old.

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Some of the greatest players to ever play only played town ball..the pay for travel phenomenon is relatively new. 15 years or so. Good players are good players regardless of where they play. These clubs love to sell the dream to anyone willing to pay.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


There is a demand because there are so many parents today willing to pay anything to say there kid is better than the neighbors kid. They all buy into the hype and marketing of the clubs.
Good athletes are good athletes no matter where they play. It's 90% genetics. If your kid is going to be 5'6" and 200 lbs and run a 8.5 40 yard dash it doesn't matter how many thousands of dollars you shell out to a club team he still will never play D1 in college.
On the other hand if your kid is a great athlete, 6'1" 200 lbs and runs a 4.2 40 yard dash he can start playing a sport in 11th grade and the D1 programs will find him.
Open your eyes to reality.
Youth sports is supposed to be for fun. If your son is gifted the coaches will find him.
Parents have turned a fun youth sport into a grinding job for 7 & 8 year old boys. Half of them will burn out and not even play when they get to high school.
Is your son really playing year round because he loves the game? Or because he wants to please you? I bet if you asked, most of them would rather be in the school yard or in the pool playing with their friends and enjoying their childhood just like you did.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.

Thanks for the input.
Which club team pays your salary?

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.


Your post is a bit bizarre. You do understand that playing for your town at a young age is about introduction to sport and usually run by a town organization of volunteers. Playing a sport in school is an elective. Having a variety of different sports exposes children to opportunity they otherwise might not have had. This is based on the fact you live in a school district/zip code. The fact that a kid is exposed to a sport and given the opportunity to play it is called enrichment. So does that mean art should be removed or even music not everyone will become an artist or musician. No.

In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.

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In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.


Sorry, I'm a parent of a kid on 91s 3rd team.. No delusion here, my kid is playing there because he's having fun and learning the game outside of typical town politics and over-the-top parent coaches. Plus, the 3rd team is cheaper. Your not paying as if your an A player on a new "fly by night organization". If my kid isn't having fun he will move on, but until then we are happy.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.


Your post is a bit bizarre. You do understand that playing for your town at a young age is about introduction to sport and usually run by a town organization of volunteers. Playing a sport in school is an elective. Having a variety of different sports exposes children to opportunity they otherwise might not have had. This is based on the fact you live in a school district/zip code. The fact that a kid is exposed to a sport and given the opportunity to play it is called enrichment. So does that mean art should be removed or even music not everyone will become an artist or musician. No.

In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.


I think you need to work on reading comprehension .

Also, who is the one drinking the Kool Aid?

I guess there is no need to let the truth or the facts get in the way of your opinion or your agenda.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


There is a demand because there are so many parents today willing to pay anything to say there kid is better than the neighbors kid. They all buy into the hype and marketing of the clubs.
Good athletes are good athletes no matter where they play. It's 90% genetics. If your kid is going to be 5'6" and 200 lbs and run a 8.5 40 yard dash it doesn't matter how many thousands of dollars you shell out to a club team he still will never play D1 in college.
On the other hand if your kid is a great athlete, 6'1" 200 lbs and runs a 4.2 40 yard dash he can start playing a sport in 11th grade and the D1 programs will find him.
Open your eyes to reality.
Youth sports is supposed to be for fun. If your son is gifted the coaches will find him.
Parents have turned a fun youth sport into a grinding job for 7 & 8 year old boys. Half of them will burn out and not even play when they get to high school.
Is your son really playing year round because he loves the game? Or because he wants to please you? I bet if you asked, most of them would rather be in the school yard or in the pool playing with their friends and enjoying their childhood just like you did.


you are using two extremes to make a point but lets take the third kid (my kid) who is 5' 9" weighs 175 and runs a 5.0 40, he plays on a good, established travel team with outstanding coaching and has become a pretty good player, he is ahead of a lot of similar kids (size, weight and athleticism) because he has put in the time and we have made the sacrifice that is travel lacrosse - we would not trade the experience for anything.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.


Your post is a bit bizarre. You do understand that playing for your town at a young age is about introduction to sport and usually run by a town organization of volunteers. Playing a sport in school is an elective. Having a variety of different sports exposes children to opportunity they otherwise might not have had. This is based on the fact you live in a school district/zip code. The fact that a kid is exposed to a sport and given the opportunity to play it is called enrichment. So does that mean art should be removed or even music not everyone will become an artist or musician. No.

In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.


I think you need to work on reading comprehension .

Also, who is the one drinking the Kool Aid?

I guess there is no need to let the truth or the facts get in the way of your opinion or your agenda.


Like I said your post was bizarre. You speak about clubs and schools as if they were one and that's why I started with that statement.

What agenda may that be. Please enlighten me.

Here is my interpretation of what you wrote. Most town teams/school suck but if you can't make the town team go to a club and pay to play.

Now for the most part PAL and house teams offer good beginning lacrosse. As kids develop the better players go onto club and other out of town programs. I understand and am totally supportive of this. I am in no way saying that clubs are not benificial to lacrosse and players. It's the over saturation and lack of quality product that many are providing. Have you heard the opening speeches these directors give. "Its about the kids and their development blah blah blah." Then when the checks are cashed you never see these guys again. A certain integrity to the game has been lost. It's my opinion that many clubs have just become about the money.

I also see the conflict when a player is strong armed to play with their town team. I don't approve of this either. There is a lot of crap going on in the lacrosse world.

My main interest is that of the parents and players. No agenda here other than that.

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In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.


Sorry, I'm a parent of a kid on 91s 3rd team.. No delusion here, my kid is playing there because he's having fun and learning the game outside of typical town politics and over-the-top parent coaches. Plus, the 3rd team is cheaper. Your not paying as if your an A player on a new "fly by night organization". If my kid isn't having fun he will move on, but until then we are happy.


I think what your missing is that I do agree certain clubs put out a good product. It's the new clubs popping up yearly. Look at all new ones on LI and also look at how many have folded. I just don't want parents to forget it's a game. It seems like you understand that. It has become a big business and people get caught up in it and forget to enjoy their kids.

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There are plenty of kids on B and C teams who will get scholarships to good schools. they may not even play lacrosse in college.. will you be ok with that, what will you do? I may start a therapy group for parents of kids who stop playing sports, I can probably fill the freedom tower with my group.

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There are plenty of kids on B and C teams who will get scholarships to good schools. they may not even play lacrosse in college.. will you be ok with that, what will you do? I may start a therapy group for parents of kids who stop playing sports, I can probably fill the freedom tower with my group.


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Looks like a response/comment to the above post about C team players. A little out of context and should read more of the post, but i get the point.

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There are plenty of kids on B and C teams who will get scholarships to good schools. they may not even play lacrosse in college.. will you be ok with that, what will you do? I may start a therapy group for parents of kids who stop playing sports, I can probably fill the freedom tower with my group.


Hey I get you C player today A player tomorrow and A player today B player tomorrow are scenarios. There are those who are gifted and can just play any sport at any level and then there are those who work harder than anyone and become great at a sport. The facts are that the money in lacrosse for the players is nothing like the pro sports of baseball, football, basketball, hockey, etc. Playing the game for the love of it is all that matters. Being a business man on the other hand there is potential to make money. Go to school get a great education and if you end up playing D1 D2 D3 or club ball is an amazing thing when you love the game. Not everyone is a D1 athlete. The rigors of playing D1 are so extreme for any sport now. The programs own you on top of school you have spring ball, winter training and the season for lacrosse. That's an extra 30-40hrs a week. Even the cant miss athletes are having issues staying in school.

If you have the opportunity to play at any level in college remember this. If on the first day you had a career ending injury would you stay at the school you picked because of lacrosse.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


There is a demand because there are so many parents today willing to pay anything to say there kid is better than the neighbors kid. They all buy into the hype and marketing of the clubs.
Good athletes are good athletes no matter where they play. It's 90% genetics. If your kid is going to be 5'6" and 200 lbs and run a 8.5 40 yard dash it doesn't matter how many thousands of dollars you shell out to a club team he still will never play D1 in college.
On the other hand if your kid is a great athlete, 6'1" 200 lbs and runs a 4.2 40 yard dash he can start playing a sport in 11th grade and the D1 programs will find him.
Open your eyes to reality.
Youth sports is supposed to be for fun. If your son is gifted the coaches will find him.
Parents have turned a fun youth sport into a grinding job for 7 & 8 year old boys. Half of them will burn out and not even play when they get to high school.
Is your son really playing year round because he loves the game? Or because he wants to please you? I bet if you asked, most of them would rather be in the school yard or in the pool playing with their friends and enjoying their childhood just like you did.


you are using two extremes to make a point but lets take the third kid (my kid) who is 5' 9" weighs 175 and runs a 5.0 40, he plays on a good, established travel team with outstanding coaching and has become a pretty good player, he is ahead of a lot of similar kids (size, weight and athleticism) because he has put in the time and we have made the sacrifice that is travel lacrosse - we would not trade the experience for anything.


That's great that you are having a good experience and don't mind paying for it.
How old id your son? Everything changes when they hit puberty.
If he gets to varsity and doesn't get playing time because there are bigger and faster kids that the coach thinks can compete better even if they don't have as good a stick as your son are you going to be one of those parents that will go to the A.D. and the school board and complain because you paid thousands of dollars to make your kid a better lacrosse player and it did not work out because of genetics?

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Everyone is aware of genetics. There is nothing that can be done for the most part. But if you have your child trained properly and all GENETICS are equal the kids that put the work in and played travel will shine. You can see it at every level in lacrosse from Youth on up. Plus, the competitiveness of competing for a spot will be nothing new for the travel player. Yes people invest a lot of money to play travel lacrosse but the product is much better than the town program because its decided on skill for the most part rather than residence, so the kids will play with better talent. Are there kids that play travel that shouldn't I am sure. But some of these town programs that try to compete with travel programs will just get beat bad and don't see how that is good for anyone. Town programs should just do Medford Park leagues and leave tournaments to the travel programs which would be good for all and let the town player prepare for their fall sport.

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These town coaches should just end their season when HS and youth PAL seasons end and start in the winter. Therefore, there will be no conflict and that is plenty of time for training.

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Perfectly said.

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These town coaches should just end their season when HS and youth PAL seasons end and start in the winter. Therefore, there will be no conflict and that is plenty of time for training.


In our town its all about power, control, greed and fear.

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Unfortunately, you are right. I think that most of these guys look at the travel programs with the money generated and are looking to turn town programs it into a revenue stream for them and their assistants.

What happened to just paying $100.00 and learning the game? Towns like Smithtown, WM and Sachem are destroying that for the kids. Next it will be $1,000.00 to play PAL for kids. There is the conflict.

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I thought lacrosse conflicts were bad with high school coaches and their club conflicts. However, now seeing field hockey, I think it might be worse.

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Unfortunately, you are right. I think that most of these guys look at the travel programs with the money generated and are looking to turn town programs it into a revenue stream for them and their assistants.

What happened to just paying $100.00 and learning the game? Towns like Smithtown, WM and Sachem are destroying that for the kids. Next it will be $1,000.00 to play PAL for kids. There is the conflict.


I am not understanding something in all of these conflict posts.
People seem to be complaining if their high school coach charges $1000 to coach a summer team and play in 4 or 5 tournaments because they say it is a conflict and the high school coach should not be making money from the summer team.
But these same people have no issue with paying $2000-$3000 to a club team for the same product and most of the club teams are coached by these same high school coaches?
Am I missing something here?

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Unfortunately, you are right. I think that most of these guys look at the travel programs with the money generated and are looking to turn town programs it into a revenue stream for them and their assistants.

What happened to just paying $100.00 and learning the game? Towns like Smithtown, WM and Sachem are destroying that for the kids. Next it will be $1,000.00 to play PAL for kids. There is the conflict.


I am not understanding something in all of these conflict posts.
People seem to be complaining if their high school coach charges $1000 to coach a summer team and play in 4 or 5 tournaments because they say it is a conflict and the high school coach should not be making money from the summer team.
But these same people have no issue with paying $2000-$3000 to a club team for the same product and most of the club teams are coached by these same high school coaches?
Am I missing something here?


Yes, you are missing the whole point.

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Unfortunately, you are right. I think that most of these guys look at the travel programs with the money generated and are looking to turn town programs it into a revenue stream for them and their assistants.

What happened to just paying $100.00 and learning the game? Towns like Smithtown, WM and Sachem are destroying that for the kids. Next it will be $1,000.00 to play PAL for kids. There is the conflict.


I am not understanding something in all of these conflict posts.
People seem to be complaining if their high school coach charges $1000 to coach a summer team and play in 4 or 5 tournaments because they say it is a conflict and the high school coach should not be making money from the summer team.
But these same people have no issue with paying $2000-$3000 to a club team for the same product and most of the club teams are coached by these same high school coaches?
Am I missing something here?



Yes, you are missing something...while some here are complaining about the cost, that is not the issue. The conflict comes from a HS coach telling kids (either directly or through more subtle means) they must play on his travel team or they won't see time on the varsity team...that is the conflict.


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Unfortunately, you are right. I think that most of these guys look at the travel programs with the money generated and are looking to turn town programs it into a revenue stream for them and their assistants.

What happened to just paying $100.00 and learning the game? Towns like Smithtown, WM and Sachem are destroying that for the kids. Next it will be $1,000.00 to play PAL for kids. There is the conflict.


I am not understanding something in all of these conflict posts.
People seem to be complaining if their high school coach charges $1000 to coach a summer team and play in 4 or 5 tournaments because they say it is a conflict and the high school coach should not be making money from the summer team.
But these same people have no issue with paying $2000-$3000 to a club team for the same product and most of the club teams are coached by these same high school coaches?
Am I missing something here?



Yes, you are missing something...while some here are complaining about the cost, that is not the issue. The conflict comes from a HS coach telling kids (either directly or through more subtle means) they must play on his travel team or they won't see time on the varsity team...that is the conflict.



I agree that would be a major conflict and any coach that does that should be reported to their school board and reprimanded in some way.
However, when I go back and skim through this thread I do see some complaints about that issue but it seems to me I see many more people complaining about the high school coach charging too much and making money from summer lacrosse.
Just my observation.
My son will be entering middle school next year and our high school does offer a summer program so I am investigating about the best option for us.

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Unfortunately, you are right. I think that most of these guys look at the travel programs with the money generated and are looking to turn town programs it into a revenue stream for them and their assistants.

What happened to just paying $100.00 and learning the game? Towns like Smithtown, WM and Sachem are destroying that for the kids. Next it will be $1,000.00 to play PAL for kids. There is the conflict.


I am not understanding something in all of these conflict posts.
People seem to be complaining if their high school coach charges $1000 to coach a summer team and play in 4 or 5 tournaments because they say it is a conflict and the high school coach should not be making money from the summer team.
But these same people have no issue with paying $2000-$3000 to a club team for the same product and most of the club teams are coached by these same high school coaches?
Am I missing something here?



Yes, you are missing something...while some here are complaining about the cost, that is not the issue. The conflict comes from a HS coach telling kids (either directly or through more subtle means) they must play on his travel team or they won't see time on the varsity team...that is the conflict.



Correct, cost is not the issue.

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Unfortunately, you are right. I think that most of these guys look at the travel programs with the money generated and are looking to turn town programs it into a revenue stream for them and their assistants.

What happened to just paying $100.00 and learning the game? Towns like Smithtown, WM and Sachem are destroying that for the kids. Next it will be $1,000.00 to play PAL for kids. There is the conflict.


I am not understanding something in all of these conflict posts.
People seem to be complaining if their high school coach charges $1000 to coach a summer team and play in 4 or 5 tournaments because they say it is a conflict and the high school coach should not be making money from the summer team.
But these same people have no issue with paying $2000-$3000 to a club team for the same product and most of the club teams are coached by these same high school coaches?
Am I missing something here?


It's not the same product and cost is not the issue.

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So you are saying a coach wont play his better kids if they dont play for him on a club/travel team. You are such an IDIOT! Why wont the coach put his best players on the field to try and WIN.He does need the $5k coaching job. You people are out of your minds.If you think this is happening instead of coming on here B1tching just go to the school AD or tell the coach straight out that you are going to bring him down for not being nice to your little Joe Joe

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