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Re: Conflicts! When HS Coaches Incorporate Summer Tournament Teams in Town
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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


There is a demand because there are so many parents today willing to pay anything to say there kid is better than the neighbors kid. They all buy into the hype and marketing of the clubs.
Good athletes are good athletes no matter where they play. It's 90% genetics. If your kid is going to be 5'6" and 200 lbs and run a 8.5 40 yard dash it doesn't matter how many thousands of dollars you shell out to a club team he still will never play D1 in college.
On the other hand if your kid is a great athlete, 6'1" 200 lbs and runs a 4.2 40 yard dash he can start playing a sport in 11th grade and the D1 programs will find him.
Open your eyes to reality.
Youth sports is supposed to be for fun. If your son is gifted the coaches will find him.
Parents have turned a fun youth sport into a grinding job for 7 & 8 year old boys. Half of them will burn out and not even play when they get to high school.
Is your son really playing year round because he loves the game? Or because he wants to please you? I bet if you asked, most of them would rather be in the school yard or in the pool playing with their friends and enjoying their childhood just like you did.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.

Thanks for the input.
Which club team pays your salary?

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.


Your post is a bit bizarre. You do understand that playing for your town at a young age is about introduction to sport and usually run by a town organization of volunteers. Playing a sport in school is an elective. Having a variety of different sports exposes children to opportunity they otherwise might not have had. This is based on the fact you live in a school district/zip code. The fact that a kid is exposed to a sport and given the opportunity to play it is called enrichment. So does that mean art should be removed or even music not everyone will become an artist or musician. No.

In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.

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In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.


Sorry, I'm a parent of a kid on 91s 3rd team.. No delusion here, my kid is playing there because he's having fun and learning the game outside of typical town politics and over-the-top parent coaches. Plus, the 3rd team is cheaper. Your not paying as if your an A player on a new "fly by night organization". If my kid isn't having fun he will move on, but until then we are happy.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.


Your post is a bit bizarre. You do understand that playing for your town at a young age is about introduction to sport and usually run by a town organization of volunteers. Playing a sport in school is an elective. Having a variety of different sports exposes children to opportunity they otherwise might not have had. This is based on the fact you live in a school district/zip code. The fact that a kid is exposed to a sport and given the opportunity to play it is called enrichment. So does that mean art should be removed or even music not everyone will become an artist or musician. No.

In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.


I think you need to work on reading comprehension .

Also, who is the one drinking the Kool Aid?

I guess there is no need to let the truth or the facts get in the way of your opinion or your agenda.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


There is a demand because there are so many parents today willing to pay anything to say there kid is better than the neighbors kid. They all buy into the hype and marketing of the clubs.
Good athletes are good athletes no matter where they play. It's 90% genetics. If your kid is going to be 5'6" and 200 lbs and run a 8.5 40 yard dash it doesn't matter how many thousands of dollars you shell out to a club team he still will never play D1 in college.
On the other hand if your kid is a great athlete, 6'1" 200 lbs and runs a 4.2 40 yard dash he can start playing a sport in 11th grade and the D1 programs will find him.
Open your eyes to reality.
Youth sports is supposed to be for fun. If your son is gifted the coaches will find him.
Parents have turned a fun youth sport into a grinding job for 7 & 8 year old boys. Half of them will burn out and not even play when they get to high school.
Is your son really playing year round because he loves the game? Or because he wants to please you? I bet if you asked, most of them would rather be in the school yard or in the pool playing with their friends and enjoying their childhood just like you did.


you are using two extremes to make a point but lets take the third kid (my kid) who is 5' 9" weighs 175 and runs a 5.0 40, he plays on a good, established travel team with outstanding coaching and has become a pretty good player, he is ahead of a lot of similar kids (size, weight and athleticism) because he has put in the time and we have made the sacrifice that is travel lacrosse - we would not trade the experience for anything.

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no question the clubs are getting fat selling dreams.


The Clubs would not exist if there wasn't a demand.


Over saturation too many crap clubs out there that make false promises and as a result put a crap product on the field. How many really elite players on LI are there per grade. We have like 20 clubs with so called AA,A,and B teams per age group. How many new clubs have sprung up claiming to field elite teams. It's a disaster especially at the 8th 9th and 10th grade levels. So many flop and fold. How many put a good and I mean good product out. Each club has its strong years but for the most part it's always the same teams putting out the best product. A lot of these clubs see the wide eyed bushy tailed parents with visions of D1 commit in their eyes.



Sounds like you are describing the Town /HS Teams on Long Island.

There are over 100 High Schools playing lacrosse on the island. Most of the teams are not very good at all. Should they all just stop putting a team on the field simply because they are not competitive? Should kids not have an opportunity to play just because they do not have Devision 1 potential? Not every kid can be a star player in HS. These club teams are obviously providing an opportunity for kids to play lacrosse. I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins.

The Clubs also provide an opportunity for the best kids from each town / HS to play with other kids of similar ability . There is a reason top college coaches fill the sideline when the top club teams play each other. When two top clubs teams play, there is a greater collection of talent by graduation year than you will find at any HS game.

Should a kid stop playing lacrosse when he/she is cut from the Town Team in the 3rd, 4th , 5th , 5th or even 10th or 11th grade? Should only the studs be allowed to play? Why do you people care how much money other people spend so that their kid can play lacrosse? Do you also complain about the cost to play Ice Hockey? How many kids from Long Island are going to make it to the NHL?
I can tell you that parents spend significantly more money for little johnny to play hockey than most people spend for their kid to play lacrosse. Very few of the kids playing youth or HS hockey on the island will get a scholarship.

Stop the BS. There is a definite conflict of interest.


Your post is a bit bizarre. You do understand that playing for your town at a young age is about introduction to sport and usually run by a town organization of volunteers. Playing a sport in school is an elective. Having a variety of different sports exposes children to opportunity they otherwise might not have had. This is based on the fact you live in a school district/zip code. The fact that a kid is exposed to a sport and given the opportunity to play it is called enrichment. So does that mean art should be removed or even music not everyone will become an artist or musician. No.

In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.


I think you need to work on reading comprehension .

Also, who is the one drinking the Kool Aid?

I guess there is no need to let the truth or the facts get in the way of your opinion or your agenda.


Like I said your post was bizarre. You speak about clubs and schools as if they were one and that's why I started with that statement.

What agenda may that be. Please enlighten me.

Here is my interpretation of what you wrote. Most town teams/school suck but if you can't make the town team go to a club and pay to play.

Now for the most part PAL and house teams offer good beginning lacrosse. As kids develop the better players go onto club and other out of town programs. I understand and am totally supportive of this. I am in no way saying that clubs are not benificial to lacrosse and players. It's the over saturation and lack of quality product that many are providing. Have you heard the opening speeches these directors give. "Its about the kids and their development blah blah blah." Then when the checks are cashed you never see these guys again. A certain integrity to the game has been lost. It's my opinion that many clubs have just become about the money.

I also see the conflict when a player is strong armed to play with their town team. I don't approve of this either. There is a lot of crap going on in the lacrosse world.

My main interest is that of the parents and players. No agenda here other than that.

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In regards to your statement "I doubt very much that the parents of a 12 year old on the 3rd team at 91 thinks their kid is going to get a scholarship to Johns Hopkins" Have you read the insanity on this board. I think too many people believe their child is the next coming. As a result they pour soon much money into these clubs who offer false promises. It's quality not quantity that should be searched out. So stop drinking the Kool Aid. High school coaches have a thankless job and do the best they can with what hand they are dealt when it comes to players. Clubs don't care about kids. They want the MONEY!!!! That's why we are seeing so many spring up that offer an inferior product. Your the perfect person to promote the club teams with your blinders on. Show me the money.


Sorry, I'm a parent of a kid on 91s 3rd team.. No delusion here, my kid is playing there because he's having fun and learning the game outside of typical town politics and over-the-top parent coaches. Plus, the 3rd team is cheaper. Your not paying as if your an A player on a new "fly by night organization". If my kid isn't having fun he will move on, but until then we are happy.


I think what your missing is that I do agree certain clubs put out a good product. It's the new clubs popping up yearly. Look at all new ones on LI and also look at how many have folded. I just don't want parents to forget it's a game. It seems like you understand that. It has become a big business and people get caught up in it and forget to enjoy their kids.

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There are plenty of kids on B and C teams who will get scholarships to good schools. they may not even play lacrosse in college.. will you be ok with that, what will you do? I may start a therapy group for parents of kids who stop playing sports, I can probably fill the freedom tower with my group.

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There are plenty of kids on B and C teams who will get scholarships to good schools. they may not even play lacrosse in college.. will you be ok with that, what will you do? I may start a therapy group for parents of kids who stop playing sports, I can probably fill the freedom tower with my group.


Who or what post are you responding to.

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Looks like a response/comment to the above post about C team players. A little out of context and should read more of the post, but i get the point.

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