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Re: Bypassing Middle School Lax for Club Team
Anonymous #24873 01/30/13 10:19 PM
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I suppose there are very weak school teams out there, but where I live there is a select team for 7th and a select team for 8th, and then a combined 7/8th team for the next players down. Anyone taking their son off the select grade team -- with 4 or 5 practices a week + games, all of which are already paid for by your taxes -- just to play with maybe one or two "better" players on a club and pay out the nose for that privilege -- would be viewed as insane.

And considering the middle school program is the pipeline to the high school team, pulling him could have a negative impact on his future prospects within that system.

I also believe the club programs will lose ground even for the summer ... each year another group of school district coaches form "school"/town summer programs, and there has been movement off the club teams on to those town select squads. Parents are tiring of the high club fees, and the summer programs being run by the local school coaches are generally cheaper (not always, but far from the most expensive). This trend will continue as local coaches will continue jumping on the summer fees bandwagon, and parents will want to make those connections.

That's great they split it up like that. how many boys to they carry on the select 7 and 8 teams?


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Are Catholic or private middle schools any different? Any insight would be appreciated.


Catholic middle schools may or may not even have sports. If they do they are limited to baseball, basketball type sports. They are a situation when club ball would be a necessity.

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Anonymous #24875 01/30/13 10:55 PM
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Thats s slippery slope. DOes the Varsity coach play the better player of the kid who paid him over the summer


Huge conflict of interest for a teacher/coach. There are several school districts that are currently investigating conflicts of interest for current coaches who also run travel programs. Both boys and girls. Finally some people are starting to look at what is a terrible conflict of interest that has a negative effect on the kids involved.

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LaxMom1320 #24876 01/30/13 10:57 PM
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Are Catholic or private middle schools any different? Any insight would be appreciated.


Catholic middle schools may or may not even have sports. If they do they are limited to baseball, basketball type sports. They are a situation when club ball would be a necessity.

You're dating yourself, almost all Catholic schools have soccer & lax programs for 7/8 graders and there are a few that can compete with almost any public school program - these are a lot of the same kids that wind up in Chaminade, St Anthony's, Kellenberg, Mercy, etc

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Are Catholic or private middle schools any different? Any insight would be appreciated.


Catholic middle schools may or may not even have sports. If they do they are limited to baseball, basketball type sports. They are a situation when club ball would be a necessity.

You're dating yourself, almost all Catholic schools have soccer & lax programs for 7/8 graders and there are a few that can compete with almost any public school program - these are a lot of the same kids that wind up in Chaminade, St Anthony's, Kellenberg, Mercy, etc


I was just at St Patricks open house on Sunday and it was actually one thing we were most curious about. I went to St Mary's in East Islip also they didn't have it either.

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LaxMom1320 #24879 01/31/13 09:05 AM
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Kellenberg Latin School has all sports for 7/8 graders.

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LaxMom1320 #24881 01/31/13 09:22 AM
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Are Catholic or private middle schools any different? Any insight would be appreciated.


Catholic middle schools may or may not even have sports. If they do they are limited to baseball, basketball type sports. They are a situation when club ball would be a necessity.

You're dating yourself, almost all Catholic schools have soccer & lax programs for 7/8 graders and there are a few that can compete with almost any public school program - these are a lot of the same kids that wind up in Chaminade, St Anthony's, Kellenberg, Mercy, etc


I was just at St Patricks open house on Sunday and it was actually one thing we were most curious about. I went to St Mary's in East Islip also they didn't have it either.

Islip has boys lax only at this time, you can google catholic middle schools athletic association and all the information on what schools participate in lacrosse(probably 10 each for both boys and girls) and the various other sports being offered is there to look at - good luck with your decision!

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If your child plays for one of the stronger "A" teams "Yellow Jackets, Top Guns, Liberty" or on the boys side '91, Express, etc.." Playing on their JHS / Middle School team will be a step back. Some would call it a waste of time.

Compare the coaching, how many 7th/8th grade school teams have a coach who can compare to Carol Rose, Danielle Gallagher or Shannon Smith? Also, how many of the 30 or so girls on a school team can earn a spot on one of the top club teams?

I would think the same is true on the boys side. Coaching and caliber of player is going to be significantly better on the top club teams.

Im not sure their is any benefit for the stronger player to play school ball in JHS.

I don't know that I would call it a total waste but in terms of "Player Development" it is not the best use of the players time.

My kids will be playing for their JHS Team even though I do not believe it is the best way to help improve their game.

Translation: "it is OK to want to win... Just not OK to want to win at all costs"

However, if one of my children ask to play only for their Club Team I would strongly consider that option.






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Anonymous #24885 01/31/13 10:16 AM
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Which catholic school (parochial) can compete with (public) middle school programs. Id be interested to see, id also like to know their academic standards/standings. (Maybe Latin School but not St. Patrick's, at least not yet.)

It is always interesting to see who goes from public MS schools, to catholic school HS.

Even more interesting to see them come back to public school after a year or two.

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I don't know that most school districts pull up from the middle school teams. I know it happens, but I think that it is more the exception than the rule. I have seen an exceptional 8th grader start, and do well, but it is rarely on a really competitive team (ie: Farmingdale or Garden City... just to name a few). I have also seen that same girl play age appropriate club and not score a goal. My daughters school dist does not allow 8th grader to play up in the High School unless that sport is not offered in the middle school.

I think 8th graders who get pulled up to varsity are truly few and far between, and having coached h.s. for quite a few years I can tell you in my experience they should be. They are the elite athletes, often in many sports.


It completely depends on your district. My kids are in a small district and MS kids are regularly pulled up to play JV, and even Varsity, sports. Our district is not big enough to have select teams and "other" teams in MS, nor would our budget have room for this. What we get is 40+ MS kids on a team, some of whom have worlds of experience and some of whom are on the team because it's a chance for them to try it for free or because that's what their set of friends is doing or even because their parents are making them. The coaches are left trying to teach the beginners the sport, the experienced are not learning anything but they are getting the school sport experience of playing and most kids value that. It is what it is. Not optimal but it's two years out of your life (or less if you get pulled up), not the end of the world.

Now, as for bypassing MS sports for club, all I know is in my district that might eventually be forced on us because our school board is always always always talking about cutting MS sports altogether.

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Anonymous #24892 01/31/13 11:54 AM
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I am faced with this dilemma now with my 8th grade son. He plays on his town travel team and on a summer travel team.As spring rolls around he will have lots of "travel" practice commitments. Last year the JHS "experinece" was wanting to say the least. Poor coaching and many players with little or no skills or lax knowledge. He has stated that he does not want to play school ball but I am afraid of alienating the HS coaches. We are in a strong LAX town. Some 8th graders are moved up to JV in our town but they are the exception, not the rule. My son is on the cusp of being able to play at the JV level but he and both agree he is not there yet. Nor will the school move 8th graders onto the freshman team. What to do? I have told him to play school lax and just have fun with it but he counters that its practice everyday and all they do is work on basic drills coupled with limited playing time b/c coach has to play everyone.

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Anonymous #24894 01/31/13 12:31 PM
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Tough situation in front of you. I experienced the same last year with my 8th grader. He did have the opportunity to play up and was actually brought up to varsity. He had the backing of his MS coach, who selfishly wanted him to play MS but in my sons beast interest and developement pushed hard for him to be brought up. I would suggest you talk with the coaches and see where they may feel your son fits in. They may see something in his ability that they would like to develop. As for travel ball, my son plays on a very good travel team thru out the summer. Good luck

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Anonymous #24895 01/31/13 12:57 PM
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Thats s slippery slope. DOes the Varsity coach play the better player of the kid who paid him over the summer


Huge conflict of interest for a teacher/coach. There are several school districts that are currently investigating conflicts of interest for current coaches who also run travel programs. Both boys and girls. Finally some people are starting to look at what is a terrible conflict of interest that has a negative effect on the kids involved.


If this is the case its possible that outcome of whatever investigations you are referring to could lead to the Chaminade, St Anthony's, Kellenberg (All Express Directors) head JV and Varsity coaches may have to make a decision to either leave the school or divest themselves from their club programs. Which way do you think that will go?

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Anonymous #24896 01/31/13 01:03 PM
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I am faced with this dilemma now with my 8th grade son. He plays on his town travel team and on a summer travel team.As spring rolls around he will have lots of "travel" practice commitments. Last year the JHS "experinece" was wanting to say the least. Poor coaching and many players with little or no skills or lax knowledge. He has stated that he does not want to play school ball but I am afraid of alienating the HS coaches. We are in a strong LAX town. Some 8th graders are moved up to JV in our town but they are the exception, not the rule. My son is on the cusp of being able to play at the JV level but he and both agree he is not there yet. Nor will the school move 8th graders onto the freshman team. What to do? I have told him to play school lax and just have fun with it but he counters that its practice everyday and all they do is work on basic drills coupled with limited playing time b/c coach has to play everyone.


This should not be a "dilemma"...MS sports are what they are. Your son/daughter will be playing with his peers. As stated here, all of these kids are playing club ball year round. They have a lot of Lacrosse. Being on a school team is about being on a team. Im not "dating myself" when I say "that is important". I keep hearing on here about the individual kid, lacrosse is a team sport! There is something to be said about a kid who is "lights out" good, who plays for his school team and becomes a teacher, a leader, a role model. That is what playing team sports is about. Your kid (who is better than everyone else) can learn so much from this. sure it is frustrating sometimes but, learn from it, teach from it. It is such an incredible opportunity for a child to learn patients and acceptance. I Don't mean to get on my "soap box" but, it is frustrating to hear parents talking that their child is "too good" to play on a team or that it is a "waste of time". Nothing is a waste of time if you learn from it. And do I think not playing on a MS team will alienate a HS coach... Absolutely! Coaches want team players, no matter how talented they are. Go out there, play well & enjoy your time with some friends, you're 13 years old!

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Anonymous #24898 01/31/13 02:01 PM
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Thats s slippery slope. DOes the Varsity coach play the better player of the kid who paid him over the summer


Huge conflict of interest for a teacher/coach. There are several school districts that are currently investigating conflicts of interest for current coaches who also run travel programs. Both boys and girls. Finally some people are starting to look at what is a terrible conflict of interest that has a negative effect on the kids involved.


If this is the case its possible that outcome of whatever investigations you are referring to could lead to the Chaminade, St Anthony's, Kellenberg (All Express Directors) head JV and Varsity coaches may have to make a decision to either leave the school or divest themselves from their club programs. Which way do you think that will go?


Interesting point except for the fact that the schools you mentioned are private. If it is OK with the school then no investigation is going to change that.

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