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Re: Boys 2029-7th Grade Fall 2023/Summer 2024
Anonymous
39 minutes ago
Just play the game and stop complaining. Younger Kids, older kids, who cares. If your kid starts Varsity as a Freshman, are you going to complain he is going against a Senior? Come on!! Teams will qualify, teams will lose first round, a team with win the WSYL, it does nothing for them except make memories. By the way, not all holdbacks are done for lacrosse. Most are done because the child is young and it will help with school and maturity. Grow up people. I don’t know a single kid that was held back for being young or immature.. I know MANY lacrosse holdbacks! I think that is true for most people. So yeh we have a problem with it. These kids are not in H.S. or College. They should have the ability to play kids their own age. If you need to be held back for being immature or for academic reasons you should still have to play travel ball with your age.
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Re: Boys High School Lax
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high school league Sunday night ---- express 2027 vs Flyers. Really? Express 2027 has all hold backs and insane fathers. Doubt it's all holdbacks. Do not doubt the insane fathers.
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Re: Boys 2027-9th Grade Fall 2023/Summer 2024
Anonymous
47 minutes ago
Love how the conversation gets diverted to 91 haters. The original post was about holdbacks, and playing teams that have many of them that look like double holdbacks. It would be good for coaches/parents to know the ages going into tournaments, so that they could decide "you know what, let's not put our 14/15 yr olds in a position to play multiple 16/17 yr olds." Sprinkle in a little HGH, and it looks like they are playing against The Rock and friends, in what should be freshman lacrosse. It just gets IAmInsecure notIntelligent My friend ....nobody wants to hear you whining about holdbacks ...that conversation got old a year ago and unfortunately you're still at it . Move on already and think of something new when your son's team loses . Or just gave the fact that possibly your son and his team just aren't that good . But take your crying elsewhere....maybe one of the other parents in your son's team can lend a shoulder to cry on It's so strange how lacrosse players are so much larger in other parts of the country. You're right, they must have different diets there or in those programs. We'll have to get their nutritional plan. I suppose it's the season of excuses . Have heard it all now . Teams with 30 man rosters lose and say " we are missing a few kids " lol.....teams lose and I hear " the kids drove their own car to the game "...it's really unbelievable. Just look in the mirror . Perhaps your coaching isn't that great when you have 30 kids but still lose badly when you have 3 kids missing or maybe your kid can't hack playing with a few kids older than him ....which will be the case in the spring anyway if he's in high school . Way too much whining and excuses in lacrosse.
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Re: Boys 2028 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
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56 minutes ago
A couple of MIAA prospect days were last week.
Any more upcoming? Do the top talent kids go to these? What school is going to get the top talent out of the 28 class? They are becoming more popular. Lots of MIAA schools had them for soccer, football, baseball. And now lacrosse. St Paul's had one a couple weeks ago. Loyola and Calvert Hall had one last week. John Carroll is having one on Dec 10. At the very least it's a good way to see how your kid would fit in at a school, and for players to meet the coaches. If your kid wants to be considered for financial aid for lax, they should probably go. Doesn't hurt. Usually they are free. Yes the top kids go to these. If they are smart. If a kid is top talent and wants top lacrosse money, they should go to at least 2. It's good to have multiple offers and apply to multiple schools for leverage. Only gullible parents believe the first offer and fibs the lax factories are telling. That’s not true. Mine went to 1 of the 3 he was looking at and has money “offers” from all three. The coaches have been to his games, they ready know. Yes. Unfortunately, offers are just offers. It's the awards in Feb. that really matter. Guys making comments about offers are clearly people who don't understand the process. He is probably going to say his kid got a full ride to college. Get a clue buddy! The poster said coaches have made money offers. Which is completely realistic and is sort of how it works. How much money is a whole different story. That gets worked out later. Perhaps you are the one who doesn’t know how this process works. Correct, I made the comment and put “offers” in quotes for a reason. Obviously they need to get accepted and you’ll see the real package in February. My original point was just that prospect days aren’t that important. If your son is a student who plays for a lower name team and hs t been seen maybe it matters. I can say that at least 6 Miaa/dc head coaches have been to my sons teams games (not saying for my son necessarily). So the prospect days don’t matter. If the coach sees your son compete against the I'm another saying this isn't legit, but at the top half of MIAA-A schools or top 1/3 of IAC schools, coa he's are only invested in a few outliers. Maybe 40 2028 kids in MD will make varsity in 9th grade and maybe triple that for 10th grade for roughly 600 varsity spots available. Do you really think these coaches are spending serious time worrying about more than 3-4 2028 players each? Money for rising 9th graders is for those with financial needs. Not “scholarships.” If you’re pounding your chest, like this guy above, thinking it’s a reflection of your kid’s prowess on the field, you’re misguided. At least with the IAC/WCAC schools, not sure about MIAA. As for coaches showing up at your son’s games— they’re all doing this, and it’s not because he thinks your kid is a future Paul Rabil. It’s because they have to show interest in this day of Instagram and self promotion amongst 13 year olds. I’ve actually heard some of these kids telling my son, “yeah, so and so didn’t really show my kid any interest, so that school is off the list.” Wow. Great due diligence there. This is true. They simply don’t have to… most of these schools have hundreds of kids in the lacrosse pool, and NO ODY knows how good an 8th grader may turn out to be. That said— the bottom tier schools might be throwing some chum in the water to lure a couple of kids they otherwise have no chance of getting. But not at Gonzaga, McD, Prep, etc
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Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
4 hours ago
Stop defending the obvious and embrace it MD parents! If you believe recessing provides an advantage, good for you. Make the decision and live with it. If you are one of the few that didn’t make the decision, just know most of your son’s teammates did so standing on your soap-box doesn’t resonate. Facts are facts
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Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity
Anonymous
4 hours ago
Let’s be honest. Philly is a great lacrosse market. But there is really only one good team at each age level. 25’s are basically out the door at this point. 26 it’s TT. 27 it’s TT, 28 it’s Freedom, 29 it’s Futures and 30 it’s Dukes. To try and say any other team at these ages is close is just not true. Who cares if they play in the NLF or ALL it doesn’t matter. Both leagues have a big tournament now at the end of the season which benefits the kids because it makes it easy for coaches to go to one place and see the players. Win Win for everyone. I feel like this is pretty fair take. Too much for this website… must be a bot.
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Re: Boys 2032-4th Grade Fall 2023/Summer 2024
Anonymous
13 hours ago
Good points, but who's to Blame. The Directors and coaches? I do not think so. It's the parents with Horse blinders. Why do they pay so much to watch kid not play. Travel clubs are a business, that losing hurts. Find a better fit.
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Re: MD Girls 2028
Anonymous
Yesterday at 07:40 PM
We appear to need a new topic.
Any competitive lacrosse planned between now and NGLL? Too early for 2028s to check out D1 Winter Prospect Camps? Do any of the Baltimore teams take advantage of opportunities to play 6s or other tourneys? Most of the top local 2028 clubs are playing in the BWI winter indoor league (instead of the Coppermine indoor league which does not offer an 8th grade division). Competion against each other is worth it, but they have been crushing the JV high school teams. Some clubs are playing in the Indoor Tournament in Spooky Nook in January as well as a tournament in Florida in January.
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Re: Girl's 2027 Grades - Mid Atlantic Region
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[quote=BOTC_EVENTS]Here is the last page of the previous 2027 Girls Mid Atlantic Region Thread..... {lease use think and comment in the new field. If you scroll down to the very Bottom of this Post, you will see the Last Thread from the previous Thread in Bold Letters.
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Anonymous#430121NewWed Nov 29 2023 09:10 AM Originally Posted by Anonymous Here's my take on the MD teams in Top-25.
1) Hero's Green
Hard to say they should be ranked ahead of M&D, but really splitting hairs here, based on last year of data and fall, I got no problem with them at #1.
2) M&D
They are getting a lot of credit for blowing out teams I feel are overinflated (CLC/Phantastix), they also had some injuries to key players and aren't where they will be in summer.
11) Skywalkers Blue
Obviously they improved, we all saw this coming, I'm not sure they are top-12 though. Their best game was a 4-3 win over Mass Elite. Some things don't look good, a 5-4 win over Salt City? Only losing by 3 to FS and by 1 to M&D (was this a palyoff short game?) looks great.
16) Coppermine
They always hang around, maybe they are as good as they've been, they don't have a signature win but the 5-6 loss to Aces was impressive, but losing to HW 5-6 as well. Just odd.
19) MD United
I know they are without some stars due to injury but I still don't think these scores should be this ugly. Losing to CT Grizzles and not even competing against FS and HG, two teams they tied or beat last year.
What’s your take on the NY teams in top 25?
3) Jesters
I know they added a new goalie but to me their defense is one of the best anyways so already strong there. They aren't top-5, but yes, they are still top-10 and will have some nice wins. Offense will be better than previous seasons.
5) Aces
They are inconsistent, but when on, they are as tough as anyone. I always felt if you can keep up in Draws, and slow game down, you can beat them. If you combined Jesters with Aces it would be a super team. Nice showing against M&D but got all they could handle vs Coppermine.
9) Prime Time
They aren't this good. They are solid team no doubt but not top-10. Blowing the doors off Top Guns got them in top-10. Couple of nice offensive players.
12) Monster
There's not one game where I was impressed based on scores, I think PT and Triple Threat are overrated based on standings, and I think they are in that category with them. They do have a few girls who can really shoot well.
24) Liberty
This sounds about right. They did almost beat Steps Navy, which I find a real tough team to figure out. 6-3 win over NXT legitimizes their ranking.
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Re: Girls 2027 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous#430122NewWed Nov 29 2023 09:12 AM
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Neither of those teams have peaked. They both have great multi-sport athletes up and down the roster that have been dealing with injury or in season High School and club sports. They'll keep competing at a high level. The great thing about both of those teams is that they've largely kept the same rosters and been loyal to each other. Developed over time and will continue to do so. I cheer for both of them.
I've seen Coppermine vs MDU go head to head and its always a hard fought, well played game. ITs not M&D vs Hero's, but its entertaining.
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Re: Girls 2027 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous#430127NewWed Nov 29 2023 09:29 AM
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Neither of those teams have peaked. They both have great multi-sport athletes up and down the roster that have been dealing with injury or in season High School and club sports. They'll keep competing at a high level. The great thing about both of those teams is that they've largely kept the same rosters and been loyal to each other. Developed over time and will continue to do so. I cheer for both of them.
I've seen Coppermine vs MDU go head to head and its always a hard fought, well played game. ITs not M&D vs Hero's, but its entertaining.
M&D and Hero's on a different level. But people tend to forget sometimes there is still a lot of great lacrosse played among many other local teams. We're lucky to live in an area where there are so many viewing options at tournaments
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Re: Girls 2027 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous#430144NewWed Nov 29 2023 11:01 AM
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[b]Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here's my take on the MD teams in Top-25.
1) Hero's Green
Hard to say they should be ranked ahead of M&D, but really splitting hairs here, based on last year of data and fall, I got no problem with them at #1.
2) M&D
They are getting a lot of credit for blowing out teams I feel are overinflated (CLC/Phantastix), they also had some injuries to key players and aren't where they will be in summer.
11) Skywalkers Blue
Obviously they improved, we all saw this coming, I'm not sure they are top-12 though. Their best game was a 4-3 win over Mass Elite. Some things don't look good, a 5-4 win over Salt City? Only losing by 3 to FS and by 1 to M&D (was this a palyoff short game?) looks great.
16) Coppermine
They always hang around, maybe they are as good as they've been, they don't have a signature win but the 5-6 loss to Aces was impressive, but losing to HW 5-6 as well. Just odd.
19) MD United
I know they are without some stars due to injury but I still don't think these scores should be this ugly. Losing to CT Grizzles and not even competing against FS and HG, two teams they tied or beat last year.
What’s your take on the NY teams in top 25?
3) Jesters
I know they added a new goalie but to me their defense is one of the best anyways so already strong there. They aren't top-5, but yes, they are still top-10 and will have some nice wins. Offense will be better than previous seasons.
5) Aces
They are inconsistent, but when on, they are as tough as anyone. I always felt if you can keep up in Draws, and slow game down, you can beat them. If you combined Jesters with Aces it would be a super team. Nice showing against M&D but got all they could handle vs Coppermine.
9) Prime Time
They aren't this good. They are solid team no doubt but not top-10. Blowing the doors off Top Guns got them in top-10. Couple of nice offensive players.
12) Monster
There's not one game where I was impressed based on scores, I think PT and Triple Threat are overrated based on standings, and I think they are in that category with them. They do have a few girls who can really shoot well.
24) Liberty
This sounds about right. They did almost beat Steps Navy, which I find a real tough team to figure out. 6-3 win over NXT legitimizes their ranking.
What teams would you put ahead of Skywalkers, Prime Time, Monster and Triple Threat?
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Re: Girls 2029-7th Grade Fall 2023/Summer 2024
Anonymous
This. The system gave the LI teams way too much credit which bumped their SoS up a good amount. Never heard of tradition yet they are number 10?
The post about algorithm is accurate. The system didn’t have enough information to figure out what to do with the LI teams who only played themselves.
Look at NXT. Lost to M&D and Eagle Stix once and beat them once. Lost to Heros. Yet they are 4 and M&D and ES are 9 and 8? Coppermine who only lost to heros and M&D is 7??
Once Monsters, LITG and YJ travel south. Things will change. Team 91 is the only one who deserves to be up there above Coppermine, ES and M&D.
Biggest reason why fall rankings are kind of pointless. Tradition is a town team and it is impressive that they can compete with the top teams. They benefited the most playing higher ranked teams. Fall ranking are ridiculous because the sample size (# of games) is too low. One LI team only played 6 games while the others had 9. MD teams will move up since they play each other in the NGLL while LI teams do not play until the summer tournaments. You've provided contradictory information. You can't say that one team benefits from a small number of games and another team benefits from playing in a league with a large number of games. Make up your mind or just stick to the algorithm. Rating is average goal differential plus average strength of opponents.
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Re: Girls 2027 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
Here's my take on the MD teams in Top-25.
1) Hero's Green
Hard to say they should be ranked ahead of M&D, but really splitting hairs here, based on last year of data and fall, I got no problem with them at #1.
2) M&D
They are getting a lot of credit for blowing out teams I feel are overinflated (CLC/Phantastix), they also had some injuries to key players and aren't where they will be in summer.
11) Skywalkers Blue
Obviously they improved, we all saw this coming, I'm not sure they are top-12 though. Their best game was a 4-3 win over Mass Elite. Some things don't look good, a 5-4 win over Salt City? Only losing by 3 to FS and by 1 to M&D (was this a palyoff short game?) looks great.
16) Coppermine
They always hang around, maybe they are as good as they've been, they don't have a signature win but the 5-6 loss to Aces was impressive, but losing to HW 5-6 as well. Just odd.
19) MD United
I know they are without some stars due to injury but I still don't think these scores should be this ugly. Losing to CT Grizzles and not even competing against FS and HG, two teams they tied or beat last year. What’s your take on the NY teams in top 25? 3) Jesters I know they added a new goalie but to me their defense is one of the best anyways so already strong there. They aren't top-5, but yes, they are still top-10 and will have some nice wins. Offense will be better than previous seasons. 5) Aces They are inconsistent, but when on, they are as tough as anyone. I always felt if you can keep up in Draws, and slow game down, you can beat them. If you combined Jesters with Aces it would be a super team. Nice showing against M&D but got all they could handle vs Coppermine. 9) Prime Time They aren't this good. They are solid team no doubt but not top-10. Blowing the doors off Top Guns got them in top-10. Couple of nice offensive players. 12) Monster There's not one game where I was impressed based on scores, I think PT and Triple Threat are overrated based on standings, and I think they are in that category with them. They do have a few girls who can really shoot well. 24) Liberty This sounds about right. They did almost beat Steps Navy, which I find a real tough team to figure out. 6-3 win over NXT legitimizes their ranking. Aces is always an X factor. Incredibly attacking options. However, their draw girl probably false starts on 70% of draws. When refs start calling that, they can't beat good teams. When they don't, they will win 2/3rds of the draw and can beat anyone. Yellow Jackets is most talented team in Northeast and will minimal roster changes since last year will be competitive in every tourney this Summer.
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Re: Girls 2027-9th Grade Fall 2023/Summer 2024
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Can’t beat the Yellow Jacket recruiting machine, other clubs do OK, but simply don’t have the reach. You have some programs that are connected to certain high end schools, but YJ connected to all high end schools. CR is well-connected, but so are most established club directors these days. The talent of the player is what matters. College coaches know how to find talent. My older daughter, who is not YJ, had top D1 coaches lining the sideline in the fall of her recruiting year. The summer before her recruiting year she went to camps of the schools she was interested in. During the fall of her sophomore year coaches reached out to her club director after seeing her play fall ball. College coaches do have other club coaches' phone numbers - they know how to find your daughter. The schools she was most interested in, she went to their camps. Once the recruiting window opened, she was done in less than a week. Key takeaway - go to camps of the schools your daughter is interested in. Don't believe the nonsense that you have to play for a certain club to get recruited to a school your daughter wants to attend. Just curious where did that daughter end up playing in college? School and/or conference is fine for a frame of reference Guy above missing the point completely, not all kids will have college coaches “lining” the sidelines. True but the #1 team in the country doesn't get more top coaches than than #20 club. D1 coaches will watch all top 30 clubs multiple times. Anyone who says otherwise is either uninformed, never been through the process of straight our lying. Now of course the #1 team will likely have more top 25 commits, but that is because they have better players.
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Re: Boys 2030 Midatlantic
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Never heard of the Clippers? Are they a team? HOCO AA? Go away They are doing the same thing to AA County that the Predators did to Balt County, take over and become the talk of the county Not really the Preds are not good the clippers at least win games I see a showdown of best teams in State,, Clippers vs Predators, now that I would like to see
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