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No one cares about Duke's anymore. They no longer have a Monopoly and are no longer getting all the best kids.

Duke's is growing everywhere so how can you say they no longer have a Monopoly? They recently aligned themselves with the Twist and are in like 5 different regions now on top of their elite nat'l team.

Dukes Nationals is elite at the 22 age group only. The 2; is not bad and the 24 is horrible!!!! Gonzo is a lying sack of poop , who does not live by his system. Buyer beware.

How is he going to justify moving his kid, that was average at best on the 23 team, to that 22 team? I would love to see where he is on the depth chart....

The Dukes 22 team isn t even a legit 22 team. They have a bunch of 21's from MD playing down on that team.

Originally Posted by Laxers412

Duke's is growing everywhere so how can you say they no longer have a Monopoly? They recently aligned themselves with the Twist and are in like 5 different regions now on top of their elite nat'l team.

Are you serious? Twist Lacrosse? Come on man, Dukes North,Dukes Main Line, Dukes VA, and now Dukes Twist are mediocre to below average clubs talent wise. And the National team is a complete joke and scam to take advantage of overzealous parents living vicariously through their kids.

I just know of their high school teams and personally watched their 2021's play up at the Best of the Best and did real well considering playing up and their 2018's went 5-0. And I also know of guys who played their 2019 Team (not sure which one) and that team was solid too so maybe they do well at the high school level with their ability to get into top events and their track record of college placement as evident on their website over the past decade. Who would you say are the top 5-10 programs in PA? NXT is B at best, Rough Riders are decent, Big 4 is solid of course but curious to hear people's thoughts...

Dukes is doing a great job top to bottom. Yes I am a Dukes parent. I am around all the age groups at their camps and events and they are all doing well. The kids that want to follow in the foot steps of other great Dukes kids will find there way to the younger teams. There are professional coaches with kids on the teams now. Must be doing something right.

It seems Dukes is looking to provide opportunities for kids of all talent levels to play for their club, which I think is commendable. Dukes Elite HS and Dukes Young Guns are very well run and it looks like Dukes Main Line is well run. If the current guys running Twist lacrosse stay and continue to run the program under the Duke's banner than that club will be fine also.

The only issue I have with Dukes is that they tried this before with Dukes north and Dukes Blue Mountain and those ventures were horrible failures. But I guess the common denominator for those 2 programs was one guy, who now runs DN. Give it time, he will expose himself over there too.

I am just curious why there was a board started specifically about Dukes? I hope the person who initiated the board didnt expect there to be no bashing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am just curious why there was a board started specifically about Dukes? I hope the person who initiated the board didnt expect there to be no bashing.

B/C in Philly they are the top dog and doing a bang up job with their players and teams. Thats why everyone talks about them. If you care enough to bash em, its only bc they are better and have something you don't. That is the nature of this board.

Awesome!!! Dukes has their own channel on here. Dukes is out trying to make it better and the Philly lax community wants to shut em down... Ha. LI has 91 and & LIE. Baltimore has Crabs and FCA. Now Philly has earned its place at the table with Dukes. Well done. Well done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Awesome!!! Dukes has their own channel on here. Dukes is out trying to make it better and the Philly lax community wants to shut em down... Ha. LI has 91 and & LIE. Baltimore has Crabs and FCA. Now Philly has earned its place at the table with Dukes. Well done. Well done.

Are you insane or is your name Gonzo, Your comparing Duke's to 91? Ball hogging , Daddy Ball, Run by a degenerate who doesn't pay his coaches, Too busy chasing women around to pay his bills, list is never ending

Where have you been the last 20 years? Dukes has always been a top notch HS program nationally. The only reason there is all this hating on Dukes now is because of their stupid Dukes National team and their entrance into youth lacrosse. Now all the crazed parents who are so invested in little Johnny's lacrosse 7th grade team get so angry when DN beats them. Newsflash: no one cares about youth lacrosse. The DN team is hurting the Dukes brand no question about it.

EB should get rid of gonzo and find someone professional to run Duke's Nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Awesome!!! Dukes has their own channel on here. Dukes is out trying to make it better and the Philly lax community wants to shut em down... Ha. LI has 91 and & LIE. Baltimore has Crabs and FCA. Now Philly has earned its place at the table with Dukes. Well done. Well done.

Are you insane or is your name Gonzo, Your comparing Duke's to 91? Ball hogging , Daddy Ball, Run by a degenerate who doesn't pay his coaches, Too busy chasing women around to pay his bills, list is never ending

Come on Gonzo

probably the only thing everyone on this board can agree on is they have the same thoughts on Gonzo and TD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

probably the only thing everyone on this board can agree on is they have the same thoughts on Gonzo and TD.

Not me. My son has played for both. Gonzo does a great job with the kids. He is doing something different for youth lacrosse and we like it. if you don't make it, you won't like it. there will be more people that don't make it and therefore don't like it. Around here, we only have a couple kids that are tough and true lacrosse players, most of our kids are just kids that play lacrosse. Gonzo and DN look for lacrosse players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

probably the only thing everyone on this board can agree on is they have the same thoughts on Gonzo and TD.

Not me. My son has played for both. Gonzo does a great job with the kids. He is doing something different for youth lacrosse and we like it. if you don't make it, you won't like it. there will be more people that don't make it and therefore don't like it. Around here, we only have a couple kids that are tough and true lacrosse players, most of our kids are just kids that play lacrosse. Gonzo and DN look for lacrosse players.

Dude, your so drunk on his kool aid. He messes with people, moves them around on the depth chart. Regardless of attendance and production. He can't pay his bills, Can't keep his pants on, he is a disgusting role model who doesn't live by his own system and only takes care of the people that line his pockets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

probably the only thing everyone on this board can agree on is they have the same thoughts on Gonzo and TD.

Not me. My son has played for both. Gonzo does a great job with the kids. He is doing something different for youth lacrosse and we like it. if you don't make it, you won't like it. there will be more people that don't make it and therefore don't like it. Around here, we only have a couple kids that are tough and true lacrosse players, most of our kids are just kids that play lacrosse. Gonzo and DN look for lacrosse players.

Your problem is he has not burned you yet. He must be currently paid up on his bills or Ebe is handling his books so it does not happen. He has left a trail of unpaid rental fees and kids without a team because he did not pay his bills. Ask all those Dukes North, Blue Mountain, and Skyhawks families of the promises that were never filled. Remember the mantra when he merged with Dukes, No player left behind, we have a spot for anyone who wants to play club lacrosse. Total money grab. Yeah Gonzo more than happily took all those families money, gave them nothing and left them high and dry.

"Around here we only have a couple kids that are tough and true lacrosse players, most of our kids are just kids that play lacrosse. Gonzo and DN look for lacrosse players"

The problem with youth lacrosse summed up in one idiotic thought. I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Around here we only have a couple kids that are tough and true lacrosse players, most of our kids are just kids that play lacrosse. Gonzo and DN look for lacrosse players"

The problem with youth lacrosse summed up in one idiotic thought. I

There are teams for everybody. DN just happens to be for the best kids from the region. DN is not like every other plain vanilla club team (glorified town team). It is for really really good and motivated young lacrosse players. Kids that want to play lacrosse can go play for club teams and town teams. Lacrosse players need a home too. They have found the DN program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

probably the only thing everyone on this board can agree on is they have the same thoughts on Gonzo and TD.

Not me. My son has played for both. Gonzo does a great job with the kids. He is doing something different for youth lacrosse and we like it. if you don't make it, you won't like it. there will be more people that don't make it and therefore don't like it. Around here, we only have a couple kids that are tough and true lacrosse players, most of our kids are just kids that play lacrosse. Gonzo and DN look for lacrosse players.

Your problem is he has not burned you yet. He must be currently paid up on his bills or Ebe is handling his books so it does not happen. He has left a trail of unpaid rental fees and kids without a team because he did not pay his bills. Ask all those Dukes North, Blue Mountain, and Skyhawks families of the promises that were never filled. Remember the mantra when he merged with Dukes, No player left behind, we have a spot for anyone who wants to play club lacrosse. Total money grab. Yeah Gonzo more than happily took all those families money, gave them nothing and left them high and dry.

If you are not a fan don't participate. I am guessing that the U Penn camp will be top notch and well attended. I am guessing that the teams will continue to meet ONCE A MONTH and compete to win in tournaments. DN is not for all kids and families so some will not make it, not make the depth chart and not meet once a month. I am sorry your club experience did not work out for you and your son but for the group of us that are at DN now, its great.

My son has been on the DN 2022 team since it's inception. It has been a great experience and he is very, very proud to play for Gonzo and the #1 team in the world. Billy Conners is fantastic, Coach Jeremy and Dez - ditto. No politics, just great, fun lacrosse at a very high level. Watch closely at minicamp, the drill instruction, the individual feedback and kid's attitudes says it all.

My son has built a nice lax IQ from his Dukes Nationals experience. Although they only meet monthly, the DN program has significantly contributed to his skill development, work ethic and love of the game. It drives him to pick up his stick away from practice and in the off season. He likes his coaches and teammates - a lot. There is a personal accountability when this team steps on the field that drives every player to work harder and play as a team (most of the time).

Sure, there are growing pains but what Gonzo is doing hasn't been done before. He works hard, is thoughtful and has invested a lot into the DN program and it shows in every kid that shows up to a minicamp. The results speak volumes. Truly.

I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid and don't have to. It's just a great program to be a part of whether college lax is your son's goal or not.

#1 team in the world and you are not drinking the Kool-Aid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son has been on the DN 2022 team since it's inception. It has been a great experience and he is very, very proud to play for Gonzo and the #1 team in the world. Billy Conners is fantastic, Coach Jeremy and Dez - ditto. No politics, just great, fun lacrosse at a very high level. Watch closely at minicamp, the drill instruction, the individual feedback and kid's attitudes says it all.

My son has built a nice lax IQ from his Dukes Nationals experience. Although they only meet monthly, the DN program has significantly contributed to his skill development, work ethic and love of the game. It drives him to pick up his stick away from practice and in the off season. He likes his coaches and teammates - a lot. There is a personal accountability when this team steps on the field that drives every player to work harder and play as a team (most of the time).

Sure, there are growing pains but what Gonzo is doing hasn't been done before. He works hard, is thoughtful and has invested a lot into the DN program and it shows in every kid that shows up to a minicamp. The results speak volumes. Truly.

I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid and don't have to. It's just a great program to be a part of whether college lax is your son's goal or not.

Dude you are an absolute moron to the point that I suspect that this is Gonzo writing this in the third person.

First, never been done before? The original Dukes has been around over a decade and churned out some of the most elite talent in the game today. Gonzo had nothing to to with that Dukes. That was Ebe Helm. Gonzo bought into the Original Duke two years ago. Two years ago so stop making it like he started something innovative and revolutionary.

Second. That DN 2022 has several kids dropping down to play on that team that are 2021. Any way that want to portray this doesn't hide the fact that is CHEATING. This is not gray ....this is black and white.

You may have a great experience once a month that is your business. But you need to get the facts straight and understand that fundamentally you are cheating

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son has been on the DN 2022 team since it's inception. It has been a great experience and he is very, very proud to play for Gonzo and the #1 team in the world. Billy Conners is fantastic, Coach Jeremy and Dez - ditto. No politics, just great, fun lacrosse at a very high level. Watch closely at minicamp, the drill instruction, the individual feedback and kid's attitudes says it all.

My son has built a nice lax IQ from his Dukes Nationals experience. Although they only meet monthly, the DN program has significantly contributed to his skill development, work ethic and love of the game. It drives him to pick up his stick away from practice and in the off season. He likes his coaches and teammates - a lot. There is a personal accountability when this team steps on the field that drives every player to work harder and play as a team (most of the time).

Sure, there are growing pains but what Gonzo is doing hasn't been done before. He works hard, is thoughtful and has invested a lot into the DN program and it shows in every kid that shows up to a minicamp. The results speak volumes. Truly.

I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid and don't have to. It's just a great program to be a part of whether college lax is your son's goal or not.

Dude you are an absolute moron to the point that I suspect that this is Gonzo writing this in the third person.

First, never been done before? The original Dukes has been around over a decade and churned out some of the most elite talent in the game today. Gonzo had nothing to to with that Dukes. That was Ebe Helm. Gonzo bought into the Original Duke two years ago. Two years ago so stop making it like he started something innovative and revolutionary.

Second. That DN 2022 has several kids dropping down to play on that team that are 2021. Any way that want to portray this doesn't hide the fact that is CHEATING. This is not gray ....this is black and white.

You may have a great experience once a month that is your business. But you need to get the facts straight and understand that fundamentally you are cheating

Actually you are the moron. Those kids are not dropping down. They have played up since they were little. Still do and still are. DN oldest team is the 22. EB runs HS, Gonzo runs youth. Yes what gonzo is doing hasn't been done, at these ages, with this type of success before. He's a good guy, a good leader and doing it despite you guys thinking he's a jerk and the one posting. This post, like others, are by the parents that support him, EB and their programs.

Not Gonzo at all. Give me your email address and I'll be happy to contact you. This model is something I haven't seen before at this early age group, it's not Philly based. Cheating? Nope, everyone is 2022. Some may have played at 2021 but were simply playing up, above their grad year.

As for the comment before that last post, what team do you think is better than the Dukes Nationals 2022? Like I said, best in the world. No need for Kool-Aid.

Gonzo the innovator. Knute Rockne of Lacrosse....step aside Wooden....Phil Jackson nothing...Belicheck overrated....Aurigemma, Yawn...Gonzo is the future of our game. Yikes.

My recommendation is to be very careful of the team your son plays for. My experience is those teams who provide the sole or primary source of income for the owner/director dont end well. Good coach, usually BUT terrible businessmen.

To me it is pretty simple- if Gonzo was good at his job, he wouldn't have bounced around like he has.

my son plays on dukes 2022 from time to time great experience made a bunch of friends ,gonzo very good to us

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my son plays on dukes 2022 from time to time great experience made a bunch of friends ,gonzo very good to us

us too

Gonzo, your keyboard is smoking typing these threads with yourself back and forth

Serious question for all you DN parents, what is the model for this program once the kids get to HS?

Good question. Its not just a concern during high school lacrosse season, but what happens to the multi sport athletes who cant attend in fall and/or winter due to other sports commitments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good question. Its not just a concern during high school lacrosse season, but what happens to the multi sport athletes who cant attend in fall and/or winter due to other sports commitments?

Great point. This is why I think there is a lot of backlash for the DN program. When the DN parents come on here with their sanctimonious "DN is only looking for true lacrosse players" BS. There are a ton of kids that could be at the top of the DN depth chart at their position but choose to concentrate on football, soccer, wrestling, etc...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good question. Its not just a concern during high school lacrosse season, but what happens to the multi sport athletes who cant attend in fall and/or winter due to other sports commitments?

Great point. This is why I think there is a lot of backlash for the DN program. When the DN parents come on here with their sanctimonious "DN is only looking for true lacrosse players" BS. There are a ton of kids that could be at the top of the DN depth chart at their position but choose to concentrate on football, soccer, wrestling, etc...

My son plays multiple sports and can't make every camp. He stays on the the depth chart bc he's good enough. He doesn't care if he is #1 or #6... he just loves playing with Dukes. What is so difficult to understand? If you like playing lacrosse and you are good at it, dukes is fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question for all you DN parents, what is the model for this program once the kids get to HS?

Ask EB. He will take the best kids for each age group he can find. At 22 & 23, Gonzo has given him a great head start as he has pulled together some great kids. Pretty simple.

The person was simply asking a question about the model for the national teams, like will they continue in high school or do the national teams funnel into the Dukes Elite teams if the kid can make the cut. He/she might not know the background of the Dukes Lacrosse program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question for all you DN parents, what is the model for this program once the kids get to HS?

Ask EB. He will take the best kids for each age group he can find. At 22 & 23, Gonzo has given him a great head start as he has pulled together some great kids. Pretty simple.

Pretty simple? So all of the MD and LI kids are gonna drive 3 hours to practice just to play with Dukes Elite at the HS level and play in the Passport Alliance events instead of the NLF events? And last time I checked, EB didn't need any help from Gonzo finding good kids in the Philly area.

So after each clinic (where anyone with a pulse can pay $85 to attend) they update their 'depth chart' and invite players to tournaments based off of it????
Gotta respect the hustle. Hold for profit tryouts through the year with results that only last until the next opportunity to pay another clinic fee.

Here's the problem with Gonzo. He took 90% of the money up front and spent it. So unless he can get a bunch of new kids, The model isn't working for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's the problem with Gonzo. He took 90% of the money up front and spent it. So unless he can get a bunch of new kids, The model isn't working for him.

We will be at U Penn this saturday with a few dozen other marylanders. Yes the model is working. Its fun. Its competitive. However its not for everyone, like people like you who are petulant and incapable, but for people and families like us who enjoy the modest travel and team atmosphere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So after each clinic (where anyone with a pulse can pay $85 to attend) they update their 'depth chart' and invite players to tournaments based off of it????
Gotta respect the hustle. Hold for profit tryouts through the year with results that only last until the next opportunity to pay another clinic fee.

So don't go. Your son doesn't have to play if its not what he wants to do. Mine does. We go. We pay for the 3 hour sessions that are jamming ... its great stuff if your son is into it. What positive experiences do you create for kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's the problem with Gonzo. He took 90% of the money up front and spent it. So unless he can get a bunch of new kids, The model isn't working for him.

We will be at U Penn this saturday with a few dozen other marylanders. Yes the model is working. Its fun. Its competitive. However its not for everyone, like people like you who are petulant and incapable, but for people and families like us who enjoy the modest travel and team atmosphere.

Wouldn't be a lacrosse thread without at least one pretentious a-hole on here. Never can present an argument or rebuttal on just the merits. Always have to take personal shots like you are somehow better than the original poster.

I'm not the one 'creating positive experiences for the kids.'

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's the problem with Gonzo. He took 90% of the money up front and spent it. So unless he can get a bunch of new kids, The model isn't working for him.

We will be at U Penn this saturday with a few dozen other marylanders. Yes the model is working. Its fun. Its competitive. However its not for everyone, like people like you who are petulant and incapable, but for people and families like us who enjoy the modest travel and team atmosphere.

Ok Gonzo. You mean a few other people from Maryland? Few dozen my [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's the problem with Gonzo. He took 90% of the money up front and spent it. So unless he can get a bunch of new kids, The model isn't working for him.

We will be at U Penn this saturday with a few dozen other marylanders. Yes the model is working. Its fun. Its competitive. However its not for everyone, like people like you who are petulant and incapable, but for people and families like us who enjoy the modest travel and team atmosphere.

Ok Gonzo. You mean a few other people from Maryland? Few dozen my [lacrosse].

Why do you always think its Gonzo?? You are so bitter toward someone doing something bold and difficult Not to mention, very positive. There are kids from FCA, API, Hawks, Koopers, Crabs, Turtle, Rough Riders, DCExpress, Team 91 that all play for Dukes once a month. If it wasn't a great experience time and time again, the families would keep coming and inviting their friends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about Duke's anymore. They no longer have a Monopoly and are no longer getting all the best kids.

Obviously they do care. This thread quickly became the most popular in Philly... You stay classy Philadelphia...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about Duke's anymore. They no longer have a Monopoly and are no longer getting all the best kids.

Obviously they do care. This thread quickly became the most popular in Philly... You stay classy Philadelphia...

They don't care. This thread should just be renamed Gonzo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's the problem with Gonzo. He took 90% of the money up front and spent it. So unless he can get a bunch of new kids, The model isn't working for him.

We will be at U Penn this saturday with a few dozen other marylanders. Yes the model is working. Its fun. Its competitive. However its not for everyone, like people like you who are petulant and incapable, but for people and families like us who enjoy the modest travel and team atmosphere.

Ok Gonzo. You mean a few other people from Maryland? Few dozen my [lacrosse].

Why do you always think its Gonzo?? You are so bitter toward someone doing something bold and difficult Not to mention, very positive. There are kids from FCA, API, Hawks, Koopers, Crabs, Turtle, Rough Riders, DCExpress, Team 91 that all play for Dukes once a month. If it wasn't a great experience time and time again, the families would keep coming and inviting their friends.

They guest play because it's free.....others are paying 2k plus and these kids come in take there spot and are charged nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about Duke's anymore. They no longer have a Monopoly and are no longer getting all the best kids.

Obviously they do care. This thread quickly became the most popular in Philly... You stay classy Philadelphia...

They don't care. This thread should just be renamed Gonzo

you have a serious obsession with Gonzo and Dukes... scary

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's the problem with Gonzo. He took 90% of the money up front and spent it. So unless he can get a bunch of new kids, The model isn't working for him.

We will be at U Penn this saturday with a few dozen other marylanders. Yes the model is working. Its fun. Its competitive. However its not for everyone, like people like you who are petulant and incapable, but for people and families like us who enjoy the modest travel and team atmosphere.

Ok Gonzo. You mean a few other people from Maryland? Few dozen my [lacrosse].

Why do you always think its Gonzo?? You are so bitter toward someone doing something bold and difficult Not to mention, very positive. There are kids from FCA, API, Hawks, Koopers, Crabs, Turtle, Rough Riders, DCExpress, Team 91 that all play for Dukes once a month. If it wasn't a great experience time and time again, the families would keep coming and inviting their friends.

They guest play because it's free.....others are paying 2k plus and these kids come in take there spot and are charged nothing.

Take a spot? My son doesn't have "a spot" Thats why he goes every month to train and compete. That is the whole point. He has to earn his field time. The kids that are better than him play more. Not new.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about Duke's anymore. They no longer have a Monopoly and are no longer getting all the best kids.

Obviously they do care. This thread quickly became the most popular in Philly... You stay classy Philadelphia...

Most popular in Philly Dukes is always on these forums and have been . Please go back to your Maryland forum and pick fights with your fellow Marylanders. Dukes have been around a lot longer than 90% of the club teams in Maryland and any other state. This is nothing new to Philly or Pennsylvania families. You must be new to this concept that Dukes has. Which shows that you have no clue about any of it. You clearly think you have found something new and great. donkey.

Brotherly love , roughriders , nxt, rising sons and pretty much every decent team would destroy Duke's national 2024 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brotherly love , roughriders , nxt, rising sons and pretty much every decent team would destroy Duke's national 2024 team.

Whoa... you do realize 2024 are 6th graders right? 11 year olds. You are rolling pretty heavy there pops over some little kids playing lacrosse. But do your thing proud man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about Duke's anymore. They no longer have a Monopoly and are no longer getting all the best kids.

Obviously they do care. This thread quickly became the most popular in Philly... You stay classy Philadelphia...

Most popular in Philly Dukes is always on these forums and have been . Please go back to your Maryland forum and pick fights with your fellow Marylanders. Dukes have been around a lot longer than 90% of the club teams in Maryland and any other state. This is nothing new to Philly or Pennsylvania families. You must be new to this concept that Dukes has. Which shows that you have no clue about any of it. You clearly think you have found something new and great. donkey.

Well said. Dukes and Dukes Nationals are a great group.

Who schedules practice/tryouts right in the middle of an Eagles game....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who schedules practice/tryouts right in the middle of an Eagles game....

Eagles Fans.

not sure why so many people feel the need to try to tarnish an organization that is NON-PROFIT and for the kids. If a philly area kid wants to play D1 he needs to play for the Dukes. The brand is real.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not sure why so many people feel the need to try to tarnish an organization that is NON-PROFIT and for the kids. If a philly area kid wants to play D1 he needs to play for the Dukes. The brand is real.

Of course it's not for profit- Gonzo pays himself and no one else.

If the only reason you choose a club is for D1 promises both you and the club have your priorities out of whack.

Plenty of clubs (HHH, NXT, Mesa..) have provided a path for their players to find homes at all levels of college lacrosse while also developing them along the way via consistent practice. Don't kid yourself into thinking Dukes is the only option today just because they once were in the Philly area.

Keep "Always Reppin' " in the passport alliance, patting yourself on the back for the monopoly you once had. Better options exist and have taken over. Ebe/Gonzo know this or else they wouldn't have to continually expand their reach, grasping for relevance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not sure why so many people feel the need to try to tarnish an organization that is NON-PROFIT and for the kids. If a philly area kid wants to play D1 he needs to play for the Dukes. The brand is real.

Of course it's not for profit- Gonzo pays himself and no one else.

NON-PROFIT....LOL
That could be the dumbest post in the history of BOC and that is saying a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not sure why so many people feel the need to try to tarnish an organization that is NON-PROFIT and for the kids. If a philly area kid wants to play D1 he needs to play for the Dukes. The brand is real.

As a CPA I find this laughable. The Non-Profit Sector remains one of the most highly audited entities. Don't kid yourself Non Profits doesn't mean money isn't being made it means tax relief for the entity. The CEO of the Red Cross makes over a half million a year, yet it is classified as a Non-Profit. I hazard a guess that Dukes and Company is making a bit less than that but still profiting.

I wouldn't say the Dukes Nationals Program is non-profit, maybe the Dukes High School program is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's the problem with Gonzo. He took 90% of the money up front and spent it. So unless he can get a bunch of new kids, The model isn't working for him.

We will be at U Penn this saturday with a few dozen other marylanders. Yes the model is working. Its fun. Its competitive. However its not for everyone, like people like you who are petulant and incapable, but for people and families like us who enjoy the modest travel and team atmosphere.

Ok Gonzo. You mean a few other people from Maryland? Few dozen my [lacrosse].

Why do you always think its Gonzo?? You are so bitter toward someone doing something bold and difficult Not to mention, very positive. There are kids from FCA, API, Hawks, Koopers, Crabs, Turtle, Rough Riders, DCExpress, Team 91 that all play for Dukes once a month. If it wasn't a great experience time and time again, the families would keep coming and inviting their friends.

They guest play because it's free.....others are paying 2k plus and these kids come in take there spot and are charged nothing.

Take a spot? My son doesn't have "a spot" Thats why he goes every month to train and compete. That is the whole point. He has to earn his field time. The kids that are better than him play more. Not new.

It is a great model. Lots of kids pay to go to all the tryouts and clinics and indirectly pay for the guest players players to play in tournaments. I see nothing wrong.

First time at a mini camp last night (U Penn). It was incredible the amount of kids and talent they had. It was very fast paced and busy 3 hours. #veryimporessed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First time at a mini camp last night (U Penn). It was incredible the amount of kids and talent they had. It was very fast paced and busy 3 hours. #veryimporessed

What a joke lots of kids there for only 1 field. Gonzo making money now that's sums up Dukes National. Next minicamp at hopkins again only 1 field the 2022 needs a field to themselves not share with 2023 and 2024 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First time at a mini camp last night (U Penn). It was incredible the amount of kids and talent they had. It was very fast paced and busy 3 hours. #veryimporessed

What a joke lots of kids there for only 1 field. Gonzo making money now that's sums up Dukes National. Next minicamp at hopkins again only 1 field the 2022 needs a field to themselves not share with 2023 and 2024 teams.

$85 per kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First time at a mini camp last night (U Penn). It was incredible the amount of kids and talent they had. It was very fast paced and busy 3 hours. #veryimporessed

Great write up Gonzo.

Not only does dukes have the most talented players they also have the most academically successful ones, you should see how many kids get academic awards at their player dinner ceremony

I love the haters. Come one come all. Lol

Hard to tell when the banquet in August was cancelled and money never refunded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First time at a mini camp last night (U Penn). It was incredible the amount of kids and talent they had. It was very fast paced and busy 3 hours. #veryimporessed

What a joke lots of kids there for only 1 field. Gonzo making money now that's sums up Dukes National. Next minicamp at hopkins again only 1 field the 2022 needs a field to themselves not share with 2023 and 2024 teams.

$85 per kid

IKR!! Can't beat it. $85 for 3 hours of great lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First time at a mini camp last night (U Penn). It was incredible the amount of kids and talent they had. It was very fast paced and busy 3 hours. #veryimporessed

What a joke lots of kids there for only 1 field. Gonzo making money now that's sums up Dukes National. Next minicamp at hopkins again only 1 field the 2022 needs a field to themselves not share with 2023 and 2024 teams.

$85 per kid

IKR!! Can't beat it. $85 for 3 hours of great lacrosse.

Gonzo with the quick witty response there....3 teams one field you can do better...might have to work to pay the mortgage but please get a 2nd field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First time at a mini camp last night (U Penn). It was incredible the amount of kids and talent they had. It was very fast paced and busy 3 hours. #veryimporessed

What a joke lots of kids there for only 1 field. Gonzo making money now that's sums up Dukes National. Next minicamp at hopkins again only 1 field the 2022 needs a field to themselves not share with 2023 and 2024 teams.

$85 per kid

IKR!! Can't beat it. $85 for 3 hours of great lacrosse.

Gonzo with the quick witty response there....3 teams one field you can do better...might have to work to pay the mortgage but please get a 2nd field

Has Dukes Nationals improved twice as much since it started? So can anyone explain how the minicamps were always $40.00 now the price has more than doubled at $85.00? Has the Duke Nationals doubled the Coaches per age group, instruction and field space?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First time at a mini camp last night (U Penn). It was incredible the amount of kids and talent they had. It was very fast paced and busy 3 hours. #veryimporessed

What a joke lots of kids there for only 1 field. Gonzo making money now that's sums up Dukes National. Next minicamp at hopkins again only 1 field the 2022 needs a field to themselves not share with 2023 and 2024 teams.

$85 per kid

IKR!! Can't beat it. $85 for 3 hours of great lacrosse.

Gonzo with the quick witty response there....3 teams one field you can do better...might have to work to pay the mortgage but please get a 2nd field

Has Dukes Nationals improved twice as much since it started? So can anyone explain how the minicamps were always $40.00 now the price has more than doubled at $85.00? Has the Duke Nationals doubled the Coaches per age group, instruction and field space?

Most of the Duke Nationals coaches don't even show up half the time and its only once a month. No consistency with coaches and no direction from coaches when they are there. Gonzo money grab!

Mini camps are $60. The $85 was for the tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about Duke's anymore. They no longer have a Monopoly and are no longer getting all the best kids.

I was just at the University of Penn clinic on Saturday. There were a ton of kids there and they were all very very good. It appeared that many people cared and the parents I met were all very positive on their experiences. I don't know what the "best" is but some of these kids were in a league of their own. My two cents from a parent. I will be taking my son to next clinic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one cares about Duke's anymore. They no longer have a Monopoly and are no longer getting all the best kids.

I was just at the University of Penn clinic on Saturday. There were a ton of kids there and they were all very very good. It appeared that many people cared and the parents I met were all very positive on their experiences. I don't know what the "best" is but some of these kids were in a league of their own. My two cents from a parent. I will be taking my son to next clinic.

Funny one guy says they were all very good...another guy says a bunch of the kids shouldn't even have been there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not only does dukes have the most talented players they also have the most academically successful ones, you should see how many kids get academic awards at their player dinner ceremony

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to tell when the banquet in August was cancelled and money never refunded.

Good point, marketing the Academic superiority of the teams but not rescheduling the banquet or refunding money without being chased up for it. When is the banquet going to be held? I see plenty of marketing on the next mini camp in October already but no information on the reschedule of the banquet....interesting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not only does dukes have the most talented players they also have the most academically successful ones, you should see how many kids get academic awards at their player dinner ceremony

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to tell when the banquet in August was cancelled and money never refunded.

Good point, marketing the Academic superiority of the teams but not rescheduling the banquet or refunding money without being chased up for it. When is the banquet going to be held? I see plenty of marketing on the next mini camp in October already but no information on the reschedule of the banquet....interesting

Had to pay his mortgage in August and Sept....he meant to send thank you notes. Seems like Duke South all over...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not only does dukes have the most talented players they also have the most academically successful ones, you should see how many kids get academic awards at their player dinner ceremony

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to tell when the banquet in August was cancelled and money never refunded.

Good point, marketing the Academic superiority of the teams but not rescheduling the banquet or refunding money without being chased up for it. When is the banquet going to be held? I see plenty of marketing on the next mini camp in October already but no information on the reschedule of the banquet....interesting

You know why, just get the money. No communication from the DN other than pay up. Gonzo or staff never pick up the phone or respond to emails, but they will hammer you for money with emails, calls and text. Can they get some coaches and field space?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not only does dukes have the most talented players they also have the most academically successful ones, you should see how many kids get academic awards at their player dinner ceremony

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to tell when the banquet in August was cancelled and money never refunded.

Good point, marketing the Academic superiority of the teams but not rescheduling the banquet or refunding money without being chased up for it. When is the banquet going to be held? I see plenty of marketing on the next mini camp in October already but no information on the reschedule of the banquet....interesting

You know why, just get the money. No communication from the DN other than pay up. Gonzo or staff never pick up the phone or respond to emails, but they will hammer you for money with emails, calls and text. Can they get some coaches and field space?

No dog in this hunt here, but last time I checked this is a supplemental program. If you don't like it, move on to a greener pasture pops. Other posters seem pretty cool with a 3 hour clinic. If you need follow up and love letters for little Johnny after a 3 hour clinic you have real issues. You are taking crazy lacrosse dad to a whole new level. Have your son lace em up and play. Next you will complain that grass was too long or turf not new enough or balls not white enough... #sissydad

Getting money refunded for a banquet that never happened has nothing to do with my son's lacrosse talent level. Not looking for anything but my $ back and appropriate communication regarding the refund.

Gonzo already spent the money. He is a slime ball. He is a lyer. He cannot be trusted. It's a fact. It has nothing to do with lacrosse, it has to do with being a good person. He is not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not only does dukes have the most talented players they also have the most academically successful ones, you should see how many kids get academic awards at their player dinner ceremony

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to tell when the banquet in August was cancelled and money never refunded.

Good point, marketing the Academic superiority of the teams but not rescheduling the banquet or refunding money without being chased up for it. When is the banquet going to be held? I see plenty of marketing on the next mini camp in October already but no information on the reschedule of the banquet....interesting

You know why, just get the money. No communication from the DN other than pay up. Gonzo or staff never pick up the phone or respond to emails, but they will hammer you for money with emails, calls and text. Can they get some coaches and field space?

No dog in this hunt here, but last time I checked this is a supplemental program. If you don't like it, move on to a greener pasture pops. Other posters seem pretty cool with a 3 hour clinic. If you need follow up and love letters for little Johnny after a 3 hour clinic you have real issues. You are taking crazy lacrosse dad to a whole new level. Have your son lace em up and play. Next you will complain that grass was too long or turf not new enough or balls not white enough... #sissydad

How come there are so many kids who play lacrosse named Johnny??? By the way, it's liar, not lyer

Great big LIAR!!!!

My son recently joined Dukes Main Line. They had many programs available for him to improve his game as well as many coaches who talked with him and work on his training. They also helped a lot in working with college coaches during the recruitment process - nothing from the other teams he played on.

Eb is a true pro. He just needs to get rid of gonzo

I'm putting 70% anti Gonzo/ dukes, 20% positive, and 10% just don't give a crap since it's 11-13 yo lax

Dukes is a great program. It's gonzo that is a fraud

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes is a great program. It's gonzo that is a fraud

You should start typing in all caps. We are a part of the program and my son has been playing for a year now. Gonzo has been terrific.

WHERES MY BANQUET $?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WHERES MY BANQUET $?

Good luck with that, I have been trying since 8/15 to get my money back.

I'm glad Dukes Nationals does not have parent coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WHERES MY BANQUET $?

Good luck with that, I have been trying since 8/15 to get my money back.

I called Jeff They are working on getting the refunds done ASAP ... I would call him if you have a concern.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm glad Dukes Nationals does not have parent coaches

Wrong

Gonzo speaking to Jeff is not the answer ....you refund the money very simple in this day and age....oh there is no money cause it has already been spent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gonzo speaking to Jeff is not the answer ....you refund the money very simple in this day and age....oh there is no money cause it has already been spent!

Hurry up and cash the refund check that is supposedly being sent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm glad Dukes Nationals does not have parent coaches

Really, every Dukes national team has parent coaches. Not sure not sure where you are getting your information from but it is wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm glad Dukes Nationals does not have parent coaches

Really, every Dukes national team has parent coaches. Not sure not sure where you are getting your information from but it is wrong.

I got this information directly from Gonzo the Dukes Nationals director. Was I miss informed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm glad Dukes Nationals does not have parent coaches

Really, every Dukes national team has parent coaches. Not sure not sure where you are getting your information from but it is wrong.

I got this information directly from Gonzo the Dukes Nationals director. Was I miss informed?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm glad Dukes Nationals does not have parent coaches

Really, every Dukes national team has parent coaches. Not sure not sure where you are getting your information from but it is wrong.

I got this information directly from Gonzo the Dukes Nationals director. Was I miss informed?

10000 percent, the 2 coaches from Freedom at 2023 both have kids on the team and Gonzo I guess will coach 2022 with his son. That in it self is a joke...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm glad Dukes Nationals does not have parent coaches

Really, every Dukes national team has parent coaches. Not sure not sure where you are getting your information from but it is wrong.

I got this information directly from Gonzo the Dukes Nationals director. Was I miss informed?

10000 percent, the 2 coaches from Freedom at 2023 both have kids on the team and Gonzo I guess will coach 2022 with his son. That in it self is a joke...

Its clear the Dukes haters don't have kids in the program. The families that play with Dukes regularly, love it. I am one of them. Gonzo is a dad. There are other men that coach that are dads too. Being a dad doesn't not disqualify you the same way being a college player does not qualify you to be a coach. A program that attracts the top talent from around the east coast that meets once a month is a different type of team and it apparently doesn't suit you. It would likely be best to play for Philly club du jour and have a hung-over college kid or over zealous want a be as a coach. Go for it.

Here are the facts. DN is s great concept. Mini camps are great , coaches are good. Depth chart concept is great. However, Gonzo is a financial mess and it shows. He lives from camp to camp , from tourney to tourney to make ends meet. If a more financially secure director took over, and monitored coaches, players etc, It would be a home run. The 22 team is great in every way, 23 team is very competetive, but the coaches play favorites. The 24 coach is a great young guy, but he needs help, Gonzo hides in the background and manipulates the depth chart, And then blames the coaches. Gonzo is s liar, and is strapped for cash and it has created a very slippery situation. Hopefully he can make corrections

Hesacrackheadniga

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here are the facts. DN is s great concept. Mini camps are great , coaches are good. Depth chart concept is great. However, Gonzo is a financial mess and it shows. He lives from camp to camp , from tourney to tourney to make ends meet. If a more financially secure director took over, and monitored coaches, players etc, It would be a home run. The 22 team is great in every way, 23 team is very competetive, but the coaches play favorites. The 24 coach is a great young guy, but he needs help, Gonzo hides in the background and manipulates the depth chart, And then blames the coaches. Gonzo is s liar, and is strapped for cash and it has created a very slippery situation. Hopefully he can make corrections

Great summary, couldn't agree more. His poor financial history preceded him in our area.

Here's another fact from a parent of a former DN kid, parents drop close to a thousand dollars for a weekend tournament and when it comes to game day, a bunch of kids who are not on depth chart or team for that matter mysteriously appear and start playing, taking away valuable time from your kid who busted his [lacrosse] to make it above the travel line, and it didn't matter if you were on the top or bottom of depth chart.. total BS and 100% the truth. I would love for Gonzo who reads these threads to explain why he does this to the parents and most importantly the kids who trusted and believed in his hype!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hesacrackheadniga

And there it is... Sad. You need to step back... and away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's another fact from a parent of a former DN kid, parents drop close to a thousand dollars for a weekend tournament and when it comes to game day, a bunch of kids who are not on depth chart or team for that matter mysteriously appear and start playing, taking away valuable time from your kid who busted his [lacrosse] to make it above the travel line, and it didn't matter if you were on the top or bottom of depth chart.. total BS and 100% the truth. I would love for Gonzo who reads these threads to explain why he does this to the parents and most importantly the kids who trusted and believed in his hype!!!

This is a fact, We saw it at foxboro this year.

You know what they say.... If you lie, you will cheat, and if cheat you will steal that equals = Gonzo and Dukes Nationals. Snake oil scam artist. Stay away! Worse thing for the sport of lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what they say.... If you lie, you will cheat, and if cheat you will steal that equals = Gonzo and Dukes Nationals. Snake oil scam artist. Stay away! Worse thing for the sport of lacrosse

I always say, when you point your finger in anger, there are three pointing back at you.

It's a money grab . That's it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's another fact from a parent of a former DN kid, parents drop close to a thousand dollars for a weekend tournament and when it comes to game day, a bunch of kids who are not on depth chart or team for that matter mysteriously appear and start playing, taking away valuable time from your kid who busted his [lacrosse] to make it above the travel line, and it didn't matter if you were on the top or bottom of depth chart.. total BS and 100% the truth. I would love for Gonzo who reads these threads to explain why he does this to the parents and most importantly the kids who trusted and believed in his hype!!!

This is a fact, We saw it at foxboro this year.

Fact depth chart means nothing. Saw it at foxboro and in Annapolis also. Buyer beware Gonzo only wants your money.

I have a kid that's played on DN for awhile and what is being said is absolutely the truth! Run Forest run!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a money grab . That's it

and people keep paying for it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what they say.... If you lie, you will cheat, and if cheat you will steal that equals = Gonzo and Dukes Nationals. Snake oil scam artist. Stay away! Worse thing for the sport of lacrosse

I always say, when you point your finger in anger, there are three pointing back at you.

that fact that you always say this does not negate other people's experiences.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what they say.... If you lie, you will cheat, and if cheat you will steal that equals = Gonzo and Dukes Nationals. Snake oil scam artist. Stay away! Worse thing for the sport of lacrosse

I always say, when you point your finger in anger, there are three pointing back at you.

that fact that you always say this does not negate other people's experiences.

or those three point back are saying we told you so

This is UNACCEPTABLE language and should be deleted. Not cool at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hesacrackheadniga

This is UNACCEPTABLE language and should be deleted. Not cool at all. Why would the administrators even allow this to be posted.

Maybe they got burnt by Gonzo et al as well!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they got burnt by Gonzo et al as well!!!

Everyone gets burnt by Gonzo eventually. You'll see.

Can someone please explain how authentic the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart is? How is it possible that someone can miss 9 Mini Camps in a row, yes 9 and a game against Long Island Express an never move from the #2 Attackman? Gonzo you have truly out done yourself with your BS. Stay away from Gonzo and Dukes Nationals all lies.

That is a reoccurring question because the statement has been made about accountability and attendence.

Remember this. "If your not here , your not here". Lol, The father must have pictures of Gonzo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain how authentic the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart is? How is it possible that someone can miss 9 Mini Camps in a row, yes 9 and a game against Long Island Express an never move from the #2 Attackman? Gonzo you have truly out done yourself with your BS. Stay away from Gonzo and Dukes Nationals all lies.

Must be just like the Coach's son. Dukes Nationals Daddy ball. I'm sure Gonzo has a good reason. The whole Dukes Nationals is about the Depth Chart. Don't worry as soon as there is a tournament they won't play and be replaced by a complete stranger. Sounds right to me. Just wait for the repeat calls, emails and text to hurry and pay for surprise new fees. Oh and the Academic Awards Banquet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain how authentic the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart is? How is it possible that someone can miss 9 Mini Camps in a row, yes 9 and a game against Long Island Express an never move from the #2 Attackman? Gonzo you have truly out done yourself with your BS. Stay away from Gonzo and Dukes Nationals all lies.

Is he better than the kids below him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain how authentic the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart is? How is it possible that someone can miss 9 Mini Camps in a row, yes 9 and a game against Long Island Express an never move from the #2 Attackman? Gonzo you have truly out done yourself with your BS. Stay away from Gonzo and Dukes Nationals all lies.

Must be just like the Coach's son. Dukes Nationals Daddy ball. I'm sure Gonzo has a good reason. The whole Dukes Nationals is about the Depth Chart. Don't worry as soon as there is a tournament they won't play and be replaced by a complete stranger. Sounds right to me. Just wait for the repeat calls, emails and text to hurry and pay for surprise new fees. Oh and the Academic Awards Banquet

You are totally correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain how authentic the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart is? How is it possible that someone can miss 9 Mini Camps in a row, yes 9 and a game against Long Island Express an never move from the #2 Attackman? Gonzo you have truly out done yourself with your BS. Stay away from Gonzo and Dukes Nationals all lies.

What age group?

2024

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024

2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all the same crap with Dukes Nationals and Gonzo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024

2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all the same crap with Dukes Nationals and Gonzo.

He's back... the obsessed Gonzo and Dukes hater. Please start your own thread. "Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world" If you don't like it, start something on your own, create something, build something... get off your as* and make a positive contribution...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024

2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all the same crap with Dukes Nationals and Gonzo.

He's back... the obsessed Gonzo and Dukes hater. Please start your own thread. "Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world" If you don't like it, start something on your own, create something, build something... get off your as* and make a positive contribution...

Here is Gonzo again trying to write in 3rd party (as always) like he is a parent of a player. Once again self promoting because no one will support Dukes Nationals on behalf of this lying cheat. Signed your, ""Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024

2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all the same crap with Dukes Nationals and Gonzo.

He's back... the obsessed Gonzo and Dukes hater. Please start your own thread. "Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world" If you don't like it, start something on your own, create something, build something... get off your as* and make a positive contribution...

Here is Gonzo again trying to write in 3rd party (as always) like he is a parent of a player. Once again self promoting because no one will support Dukes Nationals on behalf of this lying cheat. Signed your, ""Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world"

Here is the deal, if you are only going to base the depth chart on talent that is perfectly fine. The issue is it has been stated time and time again (verbally and in writing) to parents and players about accountability and attending every, if not, the majority of mini camps. If you arent going to follow through on the statement, dont make it in the first place. Oh wait I know why, parents wouldnt spend $$ every month on the minicamps and the monthly cash flow would cease.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024

2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all the same crap with Dukes Nationals and Gonzo.

He's back... the obsessed Gonzo and Dukes hater. Please start your own thread. "Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world" If you don't like it, start something on your own, create something, build something... get off your as* and make a positive contribution...

All you do is attack him with no proof that what he's saying is false. Who in the [lacrosse] would like it if what he's saying is true? I appreciate hearing people's perspectives. Stop trying to censure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2024

2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all the same crap with Dukes Nationals and Gonzo.

He's back... the obsessed Gonzo and Dukes hater. Please start your own thread. "Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world" If you don't like it, start something on your own, create something, build something... get off your as* and make a positive contribution...

All you do is attack him with no proof that what he's saying is false. Who in the [lacrosse] would like it if what he's saying is true? I appreciate hearing people's perspectives. Stop trying to censure.[/quo

Not true for 22 23 and 25 those kids have been there regularly. No idea about 24? But if the kid at 24 is better I'd expect him to be ranked higher. Like it or not ability will be the #1 factor.

Why are there kids posted on the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart for 2023 that are not even on the team anymore?

Gonzo has done that before. He is always trying to make his DN program seem bigger than it is. It's not the first time. Im glad we left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are there kids posted on the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart for 2023 that are not even on the team anymore?

Gonzo has done that before. He is always trying to make his DN program seem bigger than it is. It's not the first time. Im glad we left.

Here it is in a nutshell, from personal experience over a yr and half with kid in program, depth chart is total [lacrosse]!!! It is not followed, honored, or remotely reflective of team talent. Everything posted about outside kids brought in is completely accurate. Chart is Nothing more than a tool to keep kids motivated to keep coming to mini camps and to pay for tournament fees. Some parents appear to have a positive spin on the program and I say good for you!! However the overwhelming majority of parents on my kids team were not happy with the way things were operated and decided to leave. The turnover is tremendous, not exactly a positive for the organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are there kids posted on the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart for 2023 that are not even on the team anymore?

Gonzo has done that before. He is always trying to make his DN program seem bigger than it is. It's not the first time. Im glad we left.

Here it is in a nutshell, from personal experience over a yr and half with kid in program, depth chart is total [lacrosse]!!! It is not followed, honored, or remotely reflective of team talent. Everything posted about outside kids brought in is completely accurate. Chart is Nothing more than a tool to keep kids motivated to keep coming to mini camps and to pay for tournament fees. Some parents appear to have a positive spin on the program and I say good for you!! However the overwhelming majority of parents on my kids team were not happy with the way things were operated and decided to leave. The turnover is tremendous, not exactly a positive for the organization.

Exactly! (this is the dad that is accused of being gonzo all the time). More kids don't make it than do. Therefore, more unhappy people than positive posters (let alone the nature of this forum). I have noticed and my son has experienced movement up and own the depth chart. If someone has a better clinic or game, so be it. The best player is not always on top. The players who played best are. Its a system you aren't used to. Like the real world. Just bc you "pay your fair share" doesn't mean something is handed to you. Wake up and earn it every day. That is what happens at Dukes. If you don't like it, pay your $2000 for club and complain about equal playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2024

2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all the same crap with Dukes Nationals and Gonzo.

He's back... the obsessed Gonzo and Dukes hater. Please start your own thread. "Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world" If you don't like it, start something on your own, create something, build something... get off your as* and make a positive contribution...

Here is Gonzo again trying to write in 3rd party (as always) like he is a parent of a player. Once again self promoting because no one will support Dukes Nationals on behalf of this lying cheat. Signed your, ""Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world"

Not Gonzo, again (as always). What is great about this thread, is that clearly Dukes is doing a great job servicing a small sliver of the lacrosse population- the players that are really good. Otherwise, you would be posting on HHH or BL or Sons or someone else's page. The fact is, you only attack the relevant and successful clubs. On other state's pages, its the crabs or 91, or LIE ... in philly the top club is clearly Dukes. So keep posting away, sharing your anger, etc. It only proves they are doing something worthwhile - they have something you are not included in.

If you think the Dukes are Philly's too club you need to get Gonzo/Ebe's balls off your chin and check the time stamp on your post. It's 2017, those days are gone.

Dukes Nationals Double Holdback, ReClass, PreFirst, Club of them all. Can't win without them and they know it. Kids can't play on age so next the will be playing against preshoolers. Parents would like to see their kids beat players crawling around in pampers. Dukes Nationals is a very good club if you like to see that kind of thing. Great job Gonzo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think the Dukes are Philly's too club you need to get Gonzo/Ebe's balls off your chin and check the time stamp on your post. It's 2017, those days are gone.

Dukes are the top club. Their HS teams are great and the Nationals are really the only middle school aged teams that are consistently winning games outside of the state. Our Freestate team is fun and local but we don't do well against MD and NY. The Sons are a mess. Mesa and HHH are ?? BL and NXT are glorified town teams. There simply aren't enough good kids to be competitive for all the average clubs we have. In HS at least we get all the good kids at Dukes and they can compete. I just checked the time stamp and your right, it is 2017 and nothing has changed in Philly except the Dukes added younger age groups and are bringing some quality to MS lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think the Dukes are Philly's too club you need to get Gonzo/Ebe's balls off your chin and check the time stamp on your post. It's 2017, those days are gone.

I just looked and the Dukes are the only club in the Philly forum with their own thread... so if they aren't our top club they are at least our most talked about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals Double Holdback, ReClass, PreFirst, Club of them all. Can't win without them and they know it. Kids can't play on age so next the will be playing against preshoolers. Parents would like to see their kids beat players crawling around in pampers. Dukes Nationals is a very good club if you like to see that kind of thing. Great job Gonzo.

Gonzo hater, Dukes doesn't make the age groupings for tournaments. Tournaments do. Tournament brackets are sorted by graduation year. Dukes is sorted by graduation year. Parents sign their kids up by graduation year. The kids don't pick what age they play, they play by the rules that are out there. Keep your venom and energy on Gonzo and not the kids. The kids are just kids that want to play on the best teams they can with other great players. They easily grasp what eludes you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals Double Holdback, ReClass, PreFirst, Club of them all. Can't win without them and they know it. Kids can't play on age so next the will be playing against preshoolers. Parents would like to see their kids beat players crawling around in pampers. Dukes Nationals is a very good club if you like to see that kind of thing. Great job Gonzo.

This is pretty accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals Double Holdback, ReClass, PreFirst, Club of them all. Can't win without them and they know it. Kids can't play on age so next the will be playing against preshoolers. Parents would like to see their kids beat players crawling around in pampers. Dukes Nationals is a very good club if you like to see that kind of thing. Great job Gonzo.

Gonzo hater, Dukes doesn't make the age groupings for tournaments. Tournaments do. Tournament brackets are sorted by graduation year. Dukes is sorted by graduation year. Parents sign their kids up by graduation year. The kids don't pick what age they play, they play by the rules that are out there. Keep your venom and energy on Gonzo and not the kids. The kids are just kids that want to play on the best teams they can with other great players. They easily grasp what eludes you.

Spoken like a true cheating Holdback parent... Loser. I'm sure you held them back because of the academic challenges the simpleton was having in school, or was it they socially couldn't handle it so they had to stay back, or was it your boy just couldn't keep on the field and play with his peers (that sounds about right). Don't worry son you are GREAT just as long as you are playing with the little kids, and mommy and daddy will make sure of it. That's right that's real life. "If you can't compete just repeat." And Again, And Again. You'll get it son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think the Dukes are Philly's too club you need to get Gonzo/Ebe's balls off your chin and check the time stamp on your post. It's 2017, those days are gone.

Dukes are the top club. Their HS teams are great and the Nationals are really the only middle school aged teams that are consistently winning games outside of the state. Our Freestate team is fun and local but we don't do well against MD and NY. The Sons are a mess. Mesa and HHH are ?? BL and NXT are glorified town teams. There simply aren't enough good kids to be competitive for all the average clubs we have. In HS at least we get all the good kids at Dukes and they can compete. I just checked the time stamp and your right, it is 2017 and nothing has changed in Philly except the Dukes added younger age groups and are bringing some quality to MS lacrosse.

Dukes HS is not a top club anymore. 1 team left.
@ Naptown:
2018= 4-1
2019= 1-4
2020= 1-4
2021 didn't play, but they are even worse.

Both 2019&2020 lost to gloried town team- Freedom

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are there kids posted on the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart for 2023 that are not even on the team anymore?

Gonzo has done that before. He is always trying to make his DN program seem bigger than it is. It's not the first time. Im glad we left.

Here it is in a nutshell, from personal experience over a yr and half with kid in program, depth chart is total [lacrosse]!!! It is not followed, honored, or remotely reflective of team talent. Everything posted about outside kids brought in is completely accurate. Chart is Nothing more than a tool to keep kids motivated to keep coming to mini camps and to pay for tournament fees. Some parents appear to have a positive spin on the program and I say good for you!! However the overwhelming majority of parents on my kids team were not happy with the way things were operated and decided to leave. The turnover is tremendous, not exactly a positive for the organization.

Exactly! (this is the dad that is accused of being gonzo all the time). More kids don't make it than do. Therefore, more unhappy people than positive posters (let alone the nature of this forum). I have noticed and my son has experienced movement up and own the depth chart. If someone has a better clinic or game, so be it. The best player is not always on top. The players who played best are. Its a system you aren't used to. Like the real world. Just bc you "pay your fair share" doesn't mean something is handed to you. Wake up and earn it every day. That is what happens at Dukes. If you don't like it, pay your $2000 for club and complain about equal playing time.

Hey this is not gonzo guy, can you explain how kids who aren't on the team or depth chart wind up playing in tournaments along side your kid. If the system works like you claim it does than those kids should be at mini camp being evaluated for their talent like everyone else, otherwise what's the point of a depth chart, it goes against everything gonzo preaches. My kid doesn't expect anything to be handed to him but he sure deserves to be rewarded for his efforts...and let's be real, same daddy coaching nonsense as everywhere else, but at least those coaches aren't stupid enough to create a depth chart that blatantly exposes their shadiness. And yes many people have left for this exact reason, gonzo thanks you for your continued $2000 contribution however

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2024

2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all the same crap with Dukes Nationals and Gonzo.

He's back... the obsessed Gonzo and Dukes hater. Please start your own thread. "Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world" If you don't like it, start something on your own, create something, build something... get off your as* and make a positive contribution...

All you do is attack him with no proof that what he's saying is false. Who in the [lacrosse] would like it if what he's saying is true? I appreciate hearing people's perspectives. Stop trying to censure.[/quo

Not true for 22 23 and 25 those kids have been there regularly. No idea about 24? But if the kid at 24 is better I'd expect him to be ranked higher. Like it or not ability will be the #1 factor.

If ability is the #1 factor that's fine but I did not read that as his complaint... his complaint was that he was told one thing and another thing was done. That is called bait and switch and is unacceptable. I have no problem with ability being #1 but don't tell people that attendance at camp is a deciding factor if it's not.

Spoken like a true cheating Holdback parent... Loser. I'm sure you held them back because of the academic challenges the simpleton was having in school, or was it they socially couldn't handle it so they had to stay back, or was it your boy just couldn't keep on the field and play with his peers (that sounds about right). Don't worry son you are GREAT just as long as you are playing with the little kids, and mommy and daddy will make sure of it. That's right that's real life. "If you can't compete just repeat." And Again, And Again. You'll get it son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spoken like a true cheating Holdback parent... Loser. I'm sure you held them back because of the academic challenges the simpleton was having in school, or was it they socially couldn't handle it so they had to stay back, or was it your boy just couldn't keep on the field and play with his peers (that sounds about right). Don't worry son you are GREAT just as long as you are playing with the little kids, and mommy and daddy will make sure of it. That's right that's real life. "If you can't compete just repeat." And Again, And Again. You'll get it son.

Such anger you have towards the Dukes. You bash their coaches, their parents and now the kids. #sad The kids and parents there are happy- and that is what bothers you the most. Their happiness contributes to your misery. #poetic

Gozo- dukes is the top club in the Philly area and their 2019, 2020, and 2021 teams went a combined 3-12 at Naptown (a decent but not great tournament)? Please justify and please give refunds to families that paid for the banquet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gozo- dukes is the top club in the Philly area and their 2019, 2020, and 2021 teams went a combined 3-12 at Naptown (a decent but not great tournament)? Please justify and please give refunds to families that paid for the banquet.

Checks were being issued "today" in an email dated 9/13. Like I said before, when you get the check, hurry up and cash it. That is if you ever receive the check in the first place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are there kids posted on the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart for 2023 that are not even on the team anymore?

Gonzo has done that before. He is always trying to make his DN program seem bigger than it is. It's not the first time. Im glad we left.

Here it is in a nutshell, from personal experience over a yr and half with kid in program, depth chart is total [lacrosse]!!! It is not followed, honored, or remotely reflective of team talent. Everything posted about outside kids brought in is completely accurate. Chart is Nothing more than a tool to keep kids motivated to keep coming to mini camps and to pay for tournament fees. Some parents appear to have a positive spin on the program and I say good for you!! However the overwhelming majority of parents on my kids team were not happy with the way things were operated and decided to leave. The turnover is tremendous, not exactly a positive for the organization.

Well said. The depth chart is complete BS. It's a monthly exercise completed to keep the kids in line and to keep them coming back to the minicamps, keeps cash flow positive. The below the travel line video is great to watch, it should be updated to say, to that player keep hope in one hand and daddy's credit card in the other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are there kids posted on the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart for 2023 that are not even on the team anymore?

Gonzo has done that before. He is always trying to make his DN program seem bigger than it is. It's not the first time. Im glad we left.

Here it is in a nutshell, from personal experience over a yr and half with kid in program, depth chart is total [lacrosse]!!! It is not followed, honored, or remotely reflective of team talent. Everything posted about outside kids brought in is completely accurate. Chart is Nothing more than a tool to keep kids motivated to keep coming to mini camps and to pay for tournament fees. Some parents appear to have a positive spin on the program and I say good for you!! However the overwhelming majority of parents on my kids team were not happy with the way things were operated and decided to leave. The turnover is tremendous, not exactly a positive for the organization.

Well said. The depth chart is complete BS. It's a monthly exercise completed to keep the kids in line and to keep them coming back to the minicamps, keeps cash flow positive. The below the travel line video is great to watch, it should be updated to say, to that player keep hope in one hand and daddy's credit card in the other.

Someone should keep track over the next year and see if any kid below the travel line ever makes it above

Anyone ever take a look at the Dukes rosters on the website. about 60 for the 2018, 50 for 2019, 30 for the 2020. More being added this month to 2019 and 2020.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spoken like a true cheating Holdback parent... Loser. I'm sure you held them back because of the academic challenges the simpleton was having in school, or was it they socially couldn't handle it so they had to stay back, or was it your boy just couldn't keep on the field and play with his peers (that sounds about right). Don't worry son you are GREAT just as long as you are playing with the little kids, and mommy and daddy will make sure of it. That's right that's real life. "If you can't compete just repeat." And Again, And Again. You'll get it son.

Hahaha... I just read this same post on the Crabs forum. Great cut and paste. People that hate on the crabs for being #1 also hate on the Dukes for being #1. Same reasons. Limited roster spots and their kids go on to be considered some of the top lacrosse players in the country. If you can't beat em', or join em'... hate em'.

I have read this whole thread. As someone who has been around this program (not as a parent or player) Gonzo seems to be EXACTLY like another "lacrosse minded person" Dukes tried to team up with a few years ago. He now has the police after him, lost his business and a host of other issues on his plate. How does this keep happening? These guys keep taking people's money and parents keep falling for it! The two I feel the worst for our EB and JC, they built a respectable name for Dukes and now this is the second guy who has scammed people out of money, they should pick better "associates"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have read this whole thread. As someone who has been around this program (not as a parent or player) Gonzo seems to be EXACTLY like another "lacrosse minded person" Dukes tried to team up with a few years ago. He now has the police after him, lost his business and a host of other issues on his plate. How does this keep happening? These guys keep taking people's money and parents keep falling for it! The two I feel the worst for our EB and JC, they built a respectable name for Dukes and now this is the second guy who has scammed people out of money, they should pick better "associates"

Are you talking about the guy Rising Sons just hired? #laceup

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gozo- dukes is the top club in the Philly area and their 2019, 2020, and 2021 teams went a combined 3-12 at Naptown (a decent but not great tournament)? Please justify and please give refunds to families that paid for the banquet.

Anyone receive their refund checks that were supposed to be mailed 9/13?????

Dukes Nationals is not a "Philly" Club.

They are good - especially the 2022 team but why shouldn't they be? They are an all start team.

The top local Philly Dukes team is the Young Guns and the 2022 is actually pretty damn good.

Taking your rankings from earlier and kicking Dukes Nationals out:

1) HHH (honestly I have no idea haven't seen them play but they had some nice NLF wins last year)
2) Black Storm - spring only team but 99% of them are playing South Shore so we will see how they do this summer
3) Freedom - still damn good team but did lose handily to Storm in Mid Atlantic
4) Dukes Young Guns - won pretty much everything they played last year but need to step up into harder tournaments
5) Sons or Roughriders or Mesa?
6) Then the second tier starts like NXT, Team 11, etc

While we might disagree we shall see on the field as all of those above except HHH is playing in Mid Atlantic this year.

Overall through the Dukes have too many franchised youth programs most of which stink. The Young Guns in general or okay, the 2022 team is pretty damn good, and the HS is decent still. Most of the youth expansion has hurt their brand.

How has the youth expansion hurt their brand? You even just said there HS teams are good but they are more than just good - go look at all of their kids verbally committing to D1 schools.

boring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How has the youth expansion hurt their brand? You even just said there HS teams are good but they are more than just good - go look at all of their kids verbally committing to D1 schools.

Better comment is that they are not what they used to be. Still good but not great.

The youth expansion is diluting the Dukes name - Dukes Va, Mainline, new Twist, South, etc are weak.

So is Dukes Nationals a well run club and the best at each age level?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So is Dukes Nationals a well run club and the best at each age level?

Read the board posts. You will see the majority consensus is a big fat NO! Emails are ignored and not answered, money is not refunded promptly or even at all, the list goes on. How the organization is managed is a separate topic from the talent of the teams.

Talent of the teams are a result of the other teams that train them. Dukes is just an outlet for the parents that need to show case their kids even more. Training camps are decent but team play is a joke. Not much competition and kids don't pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So is Dukes Nationals a well run club and the best at each age level?

Read the board posts. You will see the majority consensus is a big fat NO! Emails are ignored and not answered, money is not refunded promptly or even at all, the list goes on. How the organization is managed is a separate topic from the talent of the teams.

It's a shame, but they look like there headed the same way Dukes South went. You think the boss would have learned his lesson, no matter how good the lacrosse is once you start cheating the parents they will stop showing up.

Is dukes a well run club? The answer is no. DN is not a team. A team practices together on a regular basis, builds comradery amongst its players and the coaches have the best interest of the players when they are on and off the field. DN is a collection of good players who show up once a month(sometimes not) to a mini camp and then showcase their own talent during games with no regard to the other players or the dynamics of working as a team. Will they win, yes, When you have enough impact players who can score victories will come. As previous poster stated if you're looking for a supplemental program to showcase your kid than this program may be for you, but if your looking to build your kids skills, game play and ability to work with others as a team, stay far away!!!

From what I have seen from Dukes Nationals
2022 – “Holdback City”, but actually decent only if they have ALL their players are together (again, only when not playing with their primary club team).
2023 – Is a B Team at best. Always lose to A and B Teams when it counts. They need better coaches for sure.
2024 – Is a C Team and cannot even beat 2025 teams. No consistent coaches. They only have one coach when he’s even there.
2025 – May have something there.... 5th Grade, sure.

Dukes Nationals is not going to help your son with 8 or 9 practices a year, but Gonzo will help to empty your pockets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I have seen from Dukes Nationals
2022 – “Holdback City”, but actually decent only if they have ALL their players are together (again, only when not playing with their primary club team).
2023 – Is a B Team at best. Always lose to A and B Teams when it counts. They need better coaches for sure.
2024 – Is a C Team and cannot even beat 2025 teams. No consistent coaches. They only have one coach when he’s even there.
2025 – May have something there.... 5th Grade, sure.

Dukes Nationals is not going to help your son with 8 or 9 practices a year, but Gonzo will help to empty your pockets.

Not a big Duke's fan but how can you say 2023 is B at best. They won NXT Cup last summer. No Bandits, Express or any real MD teams but still not bad.
How do you know this much about every level?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I have seen from Dukes Nationals
2022 – “Holdback City”, but actually decent only if they have ALL their players are together (again, only when not playing with their primary club team).

On the 22's agree with the hold backs comments - he'll one Koppers kid on team is a 2 year holdback - and agree good when majority of players are there.

But disagree with "decent" comment. Dude they beat the Hawks at Naptown and the Hawks are a clear #1 @ 2022. When the full team is there DN 2022 beat any team in Philly or most of the country easily.

Again not a fan but they are good - and should be they are an all star team.

Absolute money grab; don’t waste your time!!

When has the nationals student banquet been rescheduled for

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When has the nationals student banquet been rescheduled for

Ha ha ha, dont hold your breath!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When has the nationals student banquet been rescheduled for

Ha ha ha, dont hold your breath!

Will this banquet not be rescheduled? I was told that all star athletes must be all star students and that they would be recognized for all the hard work put in.

Originally Posted by laxrules

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I have seen from Dukes Nationals
2022 – “Holdback City”, but actually decent only if they have ALL their players are together (again, only when not playing with their primary club team).

On the 22's agree with the hold backs comments - he'll one Koppers kid on team is a 2 year holdback - and agree good when majority of players are there.

But disagree with "decent" comment. Dude they beat the Hawks at Naptown and the Hawks are a clear #1 @ 2022. When the full team is there DN 2022 beat any team in Philly or most of the country easily.

Again not a fan but they are good - and should be they are an all star team.

Dukes brought in more players for the 2nd day of Naptown to beat the Hawks. Fogo and Attack added that weren't on team the 1st day. Anything for that dub - as long as the suckers on the bench don't mind paying for guest players to come in and get the win.

Dukes Nationals 2022 had a playday at MD College Park last year and lost both games, but the DN 2023 team will win easily all there games.

Espn's Mark Dixon and throwing shade "I really don't understand the need to have a 'national' team for boys ages 9-14. Am I missing something?"

Espn's Mark Dixon is a shill for md roughriders. Thats why he says that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Espn's Mark Dixon is a shill for md roughriders. Thats why he says that.

All these clubs are adding franchises all over the country: True, 3d, T9-1, c2c, Madlax, etc., then pulling together the best for their "National" teams to play at the highest profile events. Even Roughriders is adding a third franchise. Only Dukes takes a different approach. Instead of having several franchises to pull from, they take the kids that are from clubs that don't have national franchises and make up a national team. It's a bit uncoordinated because most of the clubs would prefer to not have their kids playing for other teams, so the line up of the Dukes changes daily depending on who is available.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Espn's Mark Dixon is a shill for md roughriders. Thats why he says that.

All these clubs are adding franchises all over the country: True, 3d, T9-1, c2c, Madlax, etc., then pulling together the best for their "National" teams to play at the highest profile events. Even Roughriders is adding a third franchise. Only Dukes takes a different approach. Instead of having several franchises to pull from, they take the kids that are from clubs that don't have national franchises and make up a national team. It's a bit uncoordinated because most of the clubs would prefer to not have their kids playing for other teams, so the line up of the Dukes changes daily depending on who is available.

You may be right, but he also has a point. A National team for 9 yr. olds? "High profile" events for 9 yr. olds? It's laughable.

Interesting spin on it. Makes sensez

The Dukes national teams will get destroyed this weekend at the Battle of the Bay tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Espn's Mark Dixon is a shill for md roughriders. Thats why he says that.

All these clubs are adding franchises all over the country: True, 3d, T9-1, c2c, Madlax, etc., then pulling together the best for their "National" teams to play at the highest profile events. Even Roughriders is adding a third franchise. Only Dukes takes a different approach. Instead of having several franchises to pull from, they take the kids that are from clubs that don't have national franchises and make up a national team. It's a bit uncoordinated because most of the clubs would prefer to not have their kids playing for other teams, so the line up of the Dukes changes daily depending on who is available.

You may be right, but he also has a point. A National team for 9 yr. olds? "High profile" events for 9 yr. olds? It's laughable.

I think you are missing the point. It is about playing with better kids and there will always be a market no matter what the sport, simply because it works. My kid plays on one of these teams and he plays on an excellent club team. He enjoys playing with "different" kids and getting reps in and I appreciate the different coaching perspective thet it provides. At the end of the day a compilation of different coaches with differing perspective will result in a broader experience and even at 9 years old that is a good thing. I have seen kids that play for the same rec coach who then happens to be his club coach and in some cases his father as well and they only play the game, one way. If that works for you fine but I prefer diversity, there are a lot of little "nuggets" to be learned out there and no single coach knows all of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Espn's Mark Dixon is a shill for md roughriders. Thats why he says that.

All these clubs are adding franchises all over the country: True, 3d, T9-1, c2c, Madlax, etc., then pulling together the best for their "National" teams to play at the highest profile events. Even Roughriders is adding a third franchise. Only Dukes takes a different approach. Instead of having several franchises to pull from, they take the kids that are from clubs that don't have national franchises and make up a national team. It's a bit uncoordinated because most of the clubs would prefer to not have their kids playing for other teams, so the line up of the Dukes changes daily depending on who is available.

You may be right, but he also has a point. A National team for 9 yr. olds? "High profile" events for 9 yr. olds? It's laughable.

I think you are missing the point. It is about playing with better kids and there will always be a market no matter what the sport, simply because it works. My kid plays on one of these teams and he plays on an excellent club team. He enjoys playing with "different" kids and getting reps in and I appreciate the different coaching perspective thet it provides. At the end of the day a compilation of different coaches with differing perspective will result in a broader experience and even at 9 years old that is a good thing. I have seen kids that play for the same rec coach who then happens to be his club coach and in some cases his father as well and they only play the game, one way. If that works for you fine but I prefer diversity, there are a lot of little "nuggets" to be learned out there and no single coach knows all of them.

I actually agree with playing on multiple teams - its not about the increased reps because a kid should only play so much lacrosse - its about the different coaching. I know the clubs hate it because they lose kids this way, dont have all thier best players for tournaments, etc.

So there is a pro and con -- to be the different coaching is great. I know my son has gotten better as a result of being coached by different coaches the past 4 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes national teams will get destroyed this weekend at the Battle of the Bay tournament.

Completely agree; IGLOO and Mustang's will roll them.

Where’s the schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes national teams will get destroyed this weekend at the Battle of the Bay tournament.

Completely agree; IGLOO and Mustang's will roll them.

Mustangs are bad [lacrosse]. Real good kids too my son has played with many of them at events.

How many PA kids play for Dukes Nationals?

Dukes minicamp this weekend in Baltimore. Homewood field JHU. 5 DN teams sharing one field. The 2022's alone need a field by themselves. Gonzo is making lots of $$$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes minicamp this weekend in Baltimore. Homewood field JHU. 5 DN teams sharing one field. The 2022's alone need a field by themselves. Gonzo is making lots of $$$$

He has to pay for his trip to Israel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes minicamp this weekend in Baltimore. Homewood field JHU. 5 DN teams sharing one field. The 2022's alone need a field by themselves. Gonzo is making lots of $$$$

Need more bodies to subsidize the ringers who show up and play for free.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes national teams will get destroyed this weekend at the Battle of the Bay tournament.

Completely agree; IGLOO and Mustang's will roll them.

ORLY?

Did Dukes 2022 play today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Dukes 2022 play today?

They lost to Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Dukes 2022 play today?

They lost to Hawks.

Tight battle with Hawks pulling it with under a minute, Hawks score 4 unanswered in a really fun game to watch.

THe 23 team won, the kid with the mullet drove the team bus home

[quote=Anonymous]Dukes minicamp this weekend in Baltimore. Homewood field JHU. 5 DN teams sharing one field. The 2022's alone need a field by themselves. Gonzo is making lots of $$$$[/quotw. What a joke the mini camp was; one field for five teams, started late and ended early, Half of the players did not even practice due to a tournament played by Duked Nationals the same day and a bunch of them left early. My son said this was the worst run practice he has ever been to, he said he gets better coaching at his travel team practices that are only a hour and a half long. All I heard was complaints from parents of current players about cost and no equipment delivery helmets for the teams that had already been paid for and promised to the kids. What a great way to spend a Saturday night and waste $85 dollars. A complete waste of time and money.

welcome to the $hit show, bro...

In case you haven't heard already... Dukes 2023 won Battle of the Bay

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes national teams will get destroyed this weekend at the Battle of the Bay tournament.

Completely agree; IGLOO and Mustang's will roll them.

Whooooooops--how'd that work out at 2023, guys? How was the destruction? And before anyone starts with the "Whaaaaaaa!! They brought in holdbacks!" and "Boohoo, this kid drove the bus" and "Come on! That kid has 3 kids of his own!" garbage--EVERY SINGLE KID ON THE TEAM IS AGE ELIGIBLE.

So are you staying or going? Don't answer that....see you next month!

It's funny how you can say they are all age eligible...for what high school.

whats funny they charged for a mini camp/tryout when all the coaches were at a tournament. Great gig ripping people off..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whats funny they charged for a mini camp/tryout when all the coaches were at a tournament. Great gig ripping people off..

Plenty of coaches were there. Who do you think was missing?

Kids got a lot of reps and from what I saw, there was some pretty good instruction as well.

Check in and uniform distribution, on the other hand, was a disaster. If you are going to have parents involved in this stuff, at least recruit the ones who have some organizational skills!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's funny how you can say they are all age eligible...for what high school.

whats funny they charged for a mini camp/tryout when all the coaches were at a tournament. Great gig ripping people off..

You mean the tournament that ended 3 hours before the minicamp? Or the fact that every coach at every age level was there?

But let's ignore that part of your uninformed/purposefully mis-representative post and instead let's try thinking about it this way:

Would you pay $20/hr to have your son who is a goalie be trained by a goalie who is a 3 time GotY in the MLL?
Or if he's a defenseman be trained by two former all-american defensemen?
Or if he's an attackman to be trained by a coach who won 2 D2 NCAA championships and helped coach Team USA?
Or if he's a FOGO to be trained by a former Bayhawks/Machine faceoff specialist?

If your answer is "Yes--I'd pay that." then probably have to abandon that argument. If your answer is "No! They all had to crowd onto a single field and Gonzo is stealing money and stuff!!" then you're just being obstinate to be obstinate.

I was there. My 23's first time. It started on time and ended on time. Some of the best instruction I have seen on one field in a looooong time. The defensive drills were top notch. I also watched the shooting and goalie training. Again top notch. The older kids were on the side lines as I heard they had 3 games that day. A ton of coaches on the fields. There were professional coaches, players, pro players and all were engaged. Check in was long but oh well- forgivable given the quality of the coaching and clinic in general.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there. My 23's first time. It started on time and ended on time. Some of the best instruction I have seen on one field in a looooong time. The defensive drills were top notch. I also watched the shooting and goalie training. Again top notch. The older kids were on the side lines as I heard they had 3 games that day. A ton of coaches on the fields. There were professional coaches, players, pro players and all were engaged. Check in was long but oh well- forgivable given the quality of the coaching and clinic in general.

That is what I saw as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's funny how you can say they are all age eligible...for what high school.

whats funny they charged for a mini camp/tryout when all the coaches were at a tournament. Great gig ripping people off..

You mean the tournament that ended 3 hours before the minicamp? Or the fact that every coach at every age level was there?

But let's ignore that part of your uninformed/purposefully mis-representative post and instead let's try thinking about it this way:

Would you pay $20/hr to have your son who is a goalie be trained by a goalie who is a 3 time GotY in the MLL?
Or if he's a defenseman be trained by two former all-american defensemen?
Or if he's an attackman to be trained by a coach who won 2 D2 NCAA championships and helped coach Team USA?
Or if he's a FOGO to be trained by a former Bayhawks/Machine faceoff specialist?

If your answer is "Yes--I'd pay that." then probably have to abandon that argument. If your answer is "No! They all had to crowd onto a single field and Gonzo is stealing money and stuff!!" then you're just being obstinate to be obstinate.

So are you staying or going? Don't answer that....see you next month!

Dukes National has become a joke and a money maker for G. Depth chart means Nothing. This past weekend battle of the bay kids playing not on the depth chart bumping kids out of playing above the travel line. Some kids don't even pay for tournaments while others pay. Minicamp 5 teams on one field. Watch the video 3rd hour work on transition game. How can you do that with 5 teams on one field. G will not get anymore money from me and others after this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was there. My 23's first time. It started on time and ended on time. Some of the best instruction I have seen on one field in a looooong time. The defensive drills were top notch. I also watched the shooting and goalie training. Again top notch. The older kids were on the side lines as I heard they had 3 games that day. A ton of coaches on the fields. There were professional coaches, players, pro players and all were engaged. Check in was long but oh well- forgivable given the quality of the coaching and clinic in general.

Sorry to hear you got sucked in, welcome to the circus. Hope you feel the same way in 6 months but you probably won’t .. it takes a little while to see clearly through the bs of the nationals program. I wish you the best of luck. I will be saving my money and time.

Any feedback from the 2024 team.

The system is perfect because for every turned off family that leaves a mini-camp/tryout there is another family looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The system is perfect because for every turned off family that leaves a mini-camp/tryout there is another family looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Parents want to see their kids on that famous depth chart. It means nothing come tournament time.

Doesn't anyone find it odd that Dukes was a Philly institution yet there National team had none of the local "elite" kids at 22/23 or 24?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes national teams will get destroyed this weekend at the Battle of the Bay tournament.

Completely agree; IGLOO and Mustang's will roll them.

Whooooooops--how'd that work out at 2023, guys? How was the destruction? And before anyone starts with the "Whaaaaaaa!! They brought in holdbacks!" and "Boohoo, this kid drove the bus" and "Come on! That kid has 3 kids of his own!" garbage--EVERY SINGLE KID ON THE TEAM IS AGE ELIGIBLE.

If it was true you would not even have to mention it, so thanks for confirming that the team is all Holdbacks. Great way to win.. enjoy it..

Dukes are what's wrong with youth lacrosse. An organization in a lacrosse area can't find and train their own kids so they try and grab random star players to win tournaments. It is the exact reason they can not enter elite tournaments coaching is terrible with Dukes which is why they can not develop their own talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The system is perfect because for every turned off family that leaves a mini-camp/tryout there is another family looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Parents want to see their kids on that famous depth chart. It means nothing come tournament time.

That's really the issue people have with Dukes. It is supposed to be earning a spot above the travel line by showing up to mini-camps and performing. The reality is ringers are invited in who have attended zero mini-camps on the dime of the players they displace. At least be honest and say that you are trophy hunting and all players are expendable even if it means bringing a kid off the street and handing him a jersey on the sideline.

False. There are a couple local Philly-area "elite" 23 players. If you follow Philly-area 23 lax (not sure why you would focus on that other than your own kid/team) then you know who they are. You either have no clue who the elite 23's in the Philly area are or you are just trolling hoping someone mentions your kid.

Listen, like almost all other youth lacrosse clubs, Dukes Nationals has its pros and cons. I echo the concerns about using a "Depth Chart" to evaluate very young boys whose sell esteem should be lifted not beaten down by the opinion of one or two coaches in a three hour evaluation once a month. Agree that guest players are being invited to take spots and playing time which is a direct contradiction to the stated ethos of DN. Agree that it does look like a thought out money grab by putting kids on the roster (and sometimes the depth chart to ensure the parents will sign up), get their money and then push them off the depth chart once they have it. Agree that several boys on the depth chart continue to stay on it even if they miss mini camps (another contribution to the DN pitch from G ), in fact I have seen boys that have not shown up to camps or tournaments go up on the depth chart proving that ii is a meaningless barometer for evaluating a boys progress as a lacrosse player. My suggestion is accept it that G will decide who will be on the depth chart based on who he likes, who he is friends with, who's parents kiss his [lacrosse] or who lives close to his home. It is a joke. But because many of the games and tournaments conflict with club travel lacrosse, who cares if you are invited to play in a tournament that you have to pay another $175?

On the positive side, I have not seen a clinic that can compare to the DN mini camps. The energy, the positive energy the boys have by being part of something different, the gear making them all look like they are in the same organization, the coaching, the coaching, the coaching! So what that they are all on the same field and it is somewhat crowded sometimes. I don't send my kid so he can do full field scrimmages but to work with and listing to the coaches to take his game to the next level. Finally, the friendships formed by the boys should outweigh all the negativity parents are feeling.

I do believe the leadership is not worthy of the Dukes brand and would welcome a change at the top. In the meantime I will suck it up for my son

So you're they one that has the list of local "elite" kids? Please share, everyone has been waiting to see it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't anyone find it odd that Dukes was a Philly institution yet there National team had none of the local "elite" kids at 22/23 or 24?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes are what's wrong with youth lacrosse. An organization in a lacrosse area can't find and train their own kids so they try and grab random star players to win tournaments. It is the exact reason they can not enter elite tournaments coaching is terrible with Dukes which is why they can not develop their own talent

So are you staying or going? Don't answer that....see you next month!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you're they one that has the list of local "elite" kids? Please share, everyone has been waiting to see it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't anyone find it odd that Dukes was a Philly institution yet there National team had none of the local "elite" kids at 22/23 or 24?

Yes, please share you "elite" Philly area 22,23,24 rankings. As a 2023 coach/owner of a Philly area club team - I must have been left off the distribution list. FYI - there are elite 23 Philly kids on the DN 23,24 team. Not many - but there are some and they don't play for me but routinely give my team fits. Good kids as well - which is more important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes National has become a joke and a money maker for G. Depth chart means Nothing. This past weekend battle of the bay kids playing not on the depth chart bumping kids out of playing above the travel line. Some kids don't even pay for tournaments while others pay. Minicamp 5 teams on one field. Watch the video 3rd hour work on transition game. How can you do that with 5 teams on one field. G will not get anymore money from me and others after this weekend.

GREAT! But chances are we will probably see you again next month! I am sure your son enjoys it even if you don't.

plenty of Philly area elite kids on the 2024 team! Freedom Red, Brotherly Love, NXT, Malvern Prep, Haverford School all represented.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

plenty of Philly area elite kids on the 2024 team! Freedom Red, Brotherly Love, NXT, Malvern Prep, Haverford School all represented.

There are Brotherly Love 2024 kids on the Dukes National Team?? I just heard from my buddy that sent me a brochure that Brotherly Love is forming their own National Team at 2024 to compete with Dukes. Looking at it right now. Not sure why anyone on Brotherly Love would play for Dukes if they have their own National Team.

After reading all these comments I find it funny that no matter what you adults think your kids probably love being affiliated with the Duke program and look forward to coming to the mini camps every month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

plenty of Philly area elite kids on the 2024 team! Freedom Red, Brotherly Love, NXT, Malvern Prep, Haverford School all represented.

There are Brotherly Love 2024 kids on the Dukes National Team?? I just heard from my buddy that sent me a brochure that Brotherly Love is forming their own National Team at 2024 to compete with Dukes. Looking at it right now. Not sure why anyone on Brotherly Love would play for Dukes if they have their own National Team.

Brotherly love as is right now would destroy dukes 24. Problem with dukes 24 is , no consistent coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After reading all these comments I find it funny that no matter what you adults think your kids probably love being affiliated with the Duke program and look forward to coming to the mini camps every month.

True

The Dukes Nationals 2024 is absolutely HORRIBLE. The 2024 team has NEVER had a consistent Coach or Coaches. Let alone two Offensive or Defensive coordinator coaches "which for the money they should." G had no choice but to try (and I repeat try) and coach the 2024 team this weekend, again because he had no choice. All the while G was running around trying to manage a two day tournament, hand out uniforms and helmets and run a Mini Camp for 5 age groups. So you can imagine how much attention the 2024 team got from G (not very much, but the 2024 team should be used to that by now). Why don't G you just pay a coaching staff for the 2024's? They need Offensive and Defensive coordinator coaches to run plays and defensive structure. Oh and maybe know the kids names. Until then Dukes Nationals 2024 will never be able to compete at the AA level. G won't get any more of my money. The 2024's are a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals 2024 is absolutely HORRIBLE. The 2024 team has NEVER had a consistent Coach or Coaches. Let alone two Offensive or Defensive coordinator coaches "which for the money they should." G had no choice but to try (and I repeat try) and coach the 2024 team this weekend, again because he had no choice. All the while G was running around trying to manage a two day tournament, hand out uniforms and helmets and run a Mini Camp for 5 age groups. So you can imagine how much attention the 2024 team got from G(not very much, but the 2024 team should be used to that by now). Why don't G you just pay a coaching staff for the 2024's? They need Offensive and Defensive coordinator coaches to run plays and defensive structure. Oh and maybe know the kids names. Until then Dukes Nationals 2024 will never be able to compete at the AA level. G won't get any more of my money. The 2024's are a joke.

"Run plays" hahahahaha ... enough said. Dukes deserves a medal for youth lacrosse ... get a group of talented and motivated kids together to simply play the sport the way it is intended to be played... and get better... amen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals 2024 is absolutely HORRIBLE. The 2024 team has NEVER had a consistent Coach or Coaches. Let alone two Offensive or Defensive coordinator coaches "which for the money they should." G had no choice but to try (and I repeat try) and coach the 2024 team this weekend, again because he had no choice. All the while G was running around trying to manage a two day tournament, hand out uniforms and helmets and run a Mini Camp for 5 age groups. So you can imagine how much attention the 2024 team got from G (not very much, but the 2024 team should be used to that by now). Why don't G you just pay a coaching staff for the 2024's? They need Offensive and Defensive coordinator coaches to run plays and defensive structure. Oh and maybe know the kids names. Until then Dukes Nationals 2024 will never be able to compete at the AA level. G won't get any more of my money. The 2024's are a joke.

Think about this. While I can't speak for the coaching situation do you really think its that important to run "plays"? I guess your son has never been on a team that runs so many plays that the kids stop playing the game and start worrying about getting screamed at by the coach for making the wrong play. You don't need a thousand yellows to get your offense or defense set up. That is the beauty of putting talented and motivated kids together, you don't need to do all that.

Under the current structure, without these "plays" the 2024s consistently either win the tournaments they play in or are always in the championship game. Not too many teams can say that. So are these "plays" really that important? I bet that is why the kids like playing with the Dukes. They can have fun again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes National has become a joke and a money maker for Gonzo. Depth chart means Nothing. This past weekend battle of the bay kids playing not on the depth chart bumping kids out of playing above the travel line. Some kids don't even pay for tournaments while others pay. Minicamp 5 teams on one field. Watch the video 3rd hour work on transition game. How can you do that with 5 teams on one field. Gonzo will not get anymore money from me and others after this weekend.

GREAT! But chances are we will probably see you again next month! I am sure your son enjoys it even if you don't.

No a chance; we learned our lesson last year and will not be coming back to that money crab!

Where are the Dukes Nationals 2024 Coaches?

Better question is: Who are the Dukes Nationals 2024 Coaches?

Ron Klausner?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the Dukes Nationals 2024 Coaches?

Better question is: Who are the Dukes Nationals 2024 Coaches?

DN 2024 was a disgrace at BoB. They've got real problems on and off the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN 2024 was a disgrace at BoB. They've got real problems on and off the field.

What happened?

Has the banquet been rescheduled yet, I have not heard anything and have not gotten a refund yet?? Seems to be the same with the equipment order, paid in August because money was due or Kids would be removed from depth chart but have not gotten anything but a new team jersey. What is going on with this nationals team??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN 2024 was a disgrace at BoB. They've got real problems on and off the field.

Where are the 2024 Dukes Nationals playing next I can think of a couple teams that would like to play them or beat up in them. They are not liked in LI PA or MD as G is always trying to poach from the better clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has the banquet been rescheduled yet, I have not heard anything and have not gotten a refund yet?? Seems to be the same with the equipment order, paid in August because money was due or Kids would be removed from depth chart but have not gotten anything but a new team jersey. What is going on with this nationals team??

You will have to haunt G in order to get your $ back! If you need to, take it to a higher level. He doesnt like it when his poor business management is exposed and he looks bad. You will get your $ back then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes are what's wrong with youth lacrosse. An organization in a lacrosse area can't find and train their own kids so they try and grab random star players to win tournaments. It is the exact reason they can not enter elite tournaments coaching is terrible with Dukes which is why they can not develop their own talent

Dont lump all of the Dukes in with the Nationals. Most are well run programs but no the DN they are poorly run separate group and most are not even on Dukes teams. Most national teams only takes kids from their own program like True, Mad Dog, 91, etc. They put together the best of THEIR ORGANIZATION and not raid others like DN does.

Young Guns is a good group - great talent well coached.
Dukes VA is a good club, not that talented but respectable and good clean program
The HS has always seemed a bit shady only taking cash etc but its a legit program.

Nationals are a joke.

Funny all the complaining about the lack of coaching at 24 and they go and replace the coach at 23..::

What coach at 2023 was replaced?

I hear from a good source that the 2023 depth chart was very light at midfield/ attack even above the line. The addition of a new head coach for the team. I think families are actually seeing the managements true colors and jumping ship to better clubs.

Maybe the director of the program finally saw the Dukes Nationals 2023 Daddy Ball. With the new coach the depth chart next month should be interesting. Major upgrade for the 2023 Team should have happened a long time ago.

None, a coach was just added to the Duke’s Family.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe the director of the program finally saw the Dukes Nationals 2023 Daddy Ball. With the new coach the depth chart next month should be interesting. Major upgrade for the 2023 Team should have happened a long time ago.

Will be since G does the depth charts.

I received a refund check in the mail about 2-3 weeks ago. and my son got his uniform including helmet except for the bag and jacket at this last tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe the director of the program finally saw the Dukes Nationals 2023 Daddy Ball. With the new coach the depth chart next month should be interesting. Major upgrade for the 2023 Team should have happened a long time ago.

But now you’ll have to tell little Johnny he sucks when he doesn’t make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I received a refund check in the mail about 2-3 weeks ago. and my son got his uniform including helmet except for the bag and jacket at this last tournament

Knock it off G we all know that you patrol this site and post pretending to be someone else what did you mail the check to yourself too funny

Exact opposite just happened now little G will get playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe the director of the program finally saw the Dukes Nationals 2023 Daddy Ball. With the new coach the depth chart next month should be interesting. Major upgrade for the 2023 Team should have happened a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear from a good source that the 2023 depth chart was very light at midfield/ attack even above the line. The addition of a new head coach for the team. I think families are actually seeing the managements true colors and jumping ship to better clubs.

The only reason a depth chart exists is to guarantee a certain number of players pay for and show up at a tournament. Once they get there it is totally irrelevant. Experienced it first hand at every tournament with my kid, and that's a major reason why players are jumping ship

the DN Team has been playing with money from the beginning. at the last camp several families were told that they were out of helmets and to wait for next camp. one dad who did get a helmet told me they had a U-Haul filled with boxes of helmets. Guess they are waiting to add some fresh meat to the roster to get their money before they fulfill the obligations they have to the existing families that paid. no refund for me, no bag , no helmet, no gloves (they were to be included in the package) and not jacket. and none of the additional swag that was paid for separately was there. financially it is a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the DN Team has been playing with money from the beginning. at the last camp several families were told that they were out of helmets and to wait for next camp. one dad who did get a helmet told me they had a U-Haul filled with boxes of helmets. Guess they are waiting to add some fresh meat to the roster to get their money before they fulfill the obligations they have to the existing families that paid. no refund for me, no bag , no helmet, no gloves (they were to be included in the package) and not jacket. and none of the additional swag that was paid for separately was there. financially it is a joke.

We were told two things - one that they really couldn't deal with handing out helmets that day purely due to logistics. The second was that they had some issues with the decals for the helmets. Given that the check-in process was such a disaster, this does not surprise me one bit.

Gloves were a custom order that take a while hence the lack of availability.

To me it seems more like poor planning and communication as opposed to some multi-level financial scam.

Then dont distribute any helmets, and if there were decal issues, why where some helmets ok and others not. Been there, done that. Stay on top of what you paid for and make sure you receive what was included in the membership fee.

They replaced the coaches at the only age group where they've had consistency and success? Good move Idiots! Good luck getting your equipment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear from a good source that the 2023 depth chart was very light at midfield/ attack even above the line. The addition of a new head coach for the team. I think families are actually seeing the managements true colors and jumping ship to better clubs.

The only reason a depth chart exists is to guarantee a certain number of players pay for and show up at a tournament. Once they get there it is totally irrelevant. Experienced it first hand at every tournament with my kid, and that's a major reason why players are jumping ship

Newsflash: you won't get your banquet money back. I recommend asking for a credit. Or just show with no money for next minicamp or tourney and tell G you're just going to use that as a credit. He'll love that!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the DN Team has been playing with money from the beginning. at the last camp several families were told that they were out of helmets and to wait for next camp. one dad who did get a helmet told me they had a U-Haul filled with boxes of helmets. Guess they are waiting to add some fresh meat to the roster to get their money before they fulfill the obligations they have to the existing families that paid. no refund for me, no bag , no helmet, no gloves (they were to be included in the package) and not jacket. and none of the additional swag that was paid for separately was there. financially it is a joke.

Bernie Madoff would be proud.

It's only a matter of time and money before you figure it out. In the end everyone ends up unhappy.

Lehigh Valley knows

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's only a matter of time and money before you figure it out. In the end everyone ends up unhappy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's only a matter of time and money before you figure it out. In the end everyone ends up unhappy.

So very true. They need to have the monthly mini camps to pull in the next players for the depth chart to cover the spot of the players leaving the team, excuse me, the "Program" each month. The "program" is a complete joke and the depth chart means nothing, it is never followed. The same players miss multiple mini camps and tournaments to only stay exactly where they are on the chart with no accountability at all. I have been told by multiple coaches at various levels that they have no input into the depth chart, it is all decided by Management, funny how he decides the depth chart when he is actually never watching the mini camps at all, too busy bs the new families about his incredible "program" to keep the money train coming.

I know some of the DN coaches at a few levels. Most are pretty good people.
I know they are on this forum and I wonder what goes thru their heads when they read this stuff. And they know most of it is true.
It's hurting these coaches and their reputations. It's a reflection on them even if its "out of their control"
This was a great concept but where there's smoke, there's usually a dumpster fire...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the DN Team has been playing with money from the beginning. at the last camp several families were told that they were out of helmets and to wait for next camp. one dad who did get a helmet told me they had a U-Haul filled with boxes of helmets. Guess they are waiting to add some fresh meat to the roster to get their money before they fulfill the obligations they have to the existing families that paid. no refund for me, no bag , no helmet, no gloves (they were to be included in the package) and not jacket. and none of the additional swag that was paid for separately was there. financially it is a joke.

Does anyone know if the equipment order is complete yet and will it be distributed to the National players who have not received it yet at the Rutgers Mini camp this weekend?? This is really getting ridiculous, having to pay in August and not getting the equipment until November, if the players actually get it on Saturday. There will probably be another BS excuse on Saturday as to why the order is not complete and cannot be disturbed to the players.

Yeah good luck with that. Always always keep track of your payments and save emails.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if the equipment order is complete yet and will it be distributed to the National players who have not received it yet at the Rutgers Mini camp this weekend?? This is really getting ridiculous, having to pay in August and not getting the equipment until November, if the players actually get it on Saturday. There will probably be another BS excuse on Saturday as to why the order is not complete and cannot be disturbed to the players.

If you do not receive what you paid for, I highly recommend that you go and find G and specifically demand a refund or an EXACT delivery date.

Unfortunately there was a mix up with equipment and I was one of the lucky ones to get a helmet and uniform. We were told that jackets and bags will be here for Rutgers ...fingers crossed!

Keep buying the excuses people.
Wake up!!!
There will be another excuse at Rutgers...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately there was a mix up with equipment and I was one of the lucky ones to get a helmet and uniform. We were told that jackets and bags will be here for Rutgers ...fingers crossed!

"mix up" sound like an indicator to me.

Refunds sent out today, what does that mean now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Refunds sent out today, what does that mean now

nothing, the refunds are never actually really sent out, we are just told that over and over and over again but never get them

Because he used that money already even though you shouldnt spend money that isnt yours. The day the banquet was cancelled is the day the refunds should have been issued. But the $ was spent because G lives off of the money that comes into Dukes Nationals. It will never change, buyer beware!

Where did you hear that refunds were going out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did you hear that refunds were going out?

Received mine Yesterday, credited back to my credit card.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did you hear that refunds were going out?

Received mine Yesterday, credited back to my credit card.

Let me guess the name on that credit card, Lou G....knock it off Lou everyone knows that you patrol this site like a Hawk and take on the sniper role of defending yourself. Give people their money back start doing the right things and maybe this whole thing will work out for you.

Your reputation precedes you.

Alternatively, keep going down this path of taking peoples money, cheating with over age kids, and win at all costs mentality and you are going to be working for Dicks' in their footwear department.

Does anyone take issue with a National Team such as Dukes playing in a local team tournament like Brandwyine Classic with an all star team. I looked at all the scores and for the most part they are blowing out teams 15-0. It is a bit embarrassing that they would do that and be disrespectful to the game. Gimme a break what do you accomplish by playing in that kind of tournament. My kid plays in the 2024 bracket and that was the one AA bracket that Dukes Nationals ended up pulling out of last minute, ironically, also one of the few brackets that Dukes teams might have faced some teams that they might lose a game. Both BBL and Brotherly would have likely beaten the Dukes National 2024 as my kid has played against that team and by far their worse team. Shame on Dukes Nationals you are making a mockery of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone take issue with a National Team such as Dukes playing in a local team tournament like Brandwyine Classic with an all star team. I looked at all the scores and for the most part they are blowing out teams 15-0. It is a bit embarrassing that they would do that and be disrespectful to the game. Gimme a break what do you accomplish by playing in that kind of tournament. My kid plays in the 2024 bracket and that was the one AA bracket that Dukes Nationals ended up pulling out of last minute, ironically, also one of the few brackets that Dukes teams might have faced some teams that they might lose a game. Both BBL and Brotherly would have likely beaten the Dukes National 2024 as my kid has played against that team and by far their worse team. Shame on Dukes Nationals you are making a mockery of the game.

Dude. It's a AA bracket. Yes. They should be able to play.

The 23 team surely didn't blow out BBL.....

The only 2023 AA teams were BBL and Dukes National ( which definitely had 2024’s playing with them) the problem is everyone thinks they are AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone take issue with a National Team such as Dukes playing in a local team tournament like Brandwyine Classic with an all star team. I looked at all the scores and for the most part they are blowing out teams 15-0. It is a bit embarrassing that they would do that and be disrespectful to the game. Gimme a break what do you accomplish by playing in that kind of tournament. My kid plays in the 2024 bracket and that was the one AA bracket that Dukes Nationals ended up pulling out of last minute, ironically, also one of the few brackets that Dukes teams might have faced some teams that they might lose a game. Both BBL and Brotherly would have likely beaten the Dukes National 2024 as my kid has played against that team and by far their worse team. Shame on Dukes Nationals you are making a mockery of the game.

Dude. It's a AA bracket. Yes. They should be able to play.

No, they should be challenging this all star team by playing up an age. So short sighted.

We were INVITED to play by the tournament organizers. They didn't have enough teams (we only had 4 teams in out bracket) come on...

I don't doubt the tournament wanted you there it is all about the money and they don't want to cancel tournaments or have brackets of three teams. I agree with the first guy ridiculous and don't think it doesn't hurt your brand and image. I was on the sidelines and people aren't sitting there thinking "wow, good for Dukes Nationals" the comments I heard were 100% negative. The other poster is right if you are going to play in a smaller more local tournament every single team should have played UP.

Look at Team 91 and Legacy in LI they play in the same types of tournaments as well and while they aren't a National Team they play UP. But oh...they don't usually win when they play UP, so it tells me you are a win at all costs club. Wouldn't have it been better for individual player development if each team challenged themselves by playing UP. Classless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 23 team surely didn't blow out BBL.....

11-1 Finals. 1st game 7-1 with 10-15 mins left, pulled everyone. Neither game was close.

Says someone who lost the tournament.... take it up with the tournament organization. The only team that had any skills against us was BBL. Some of the boys were good. Would like to play against them again maybe they will come out for the next Dukes tryout?

Some 24's and some 15 year olds for sure...
Should have had those 24's play for the Dukes Mainline team. A combo 23/24 team playing in a 24 bracket goes 0-3 outscored 34-1..

Let's face it Dukes Nationals 2023 is probably the best 2023 team in the country and won their last 4 or 5 tournaments. So what they were B Team Tournaments at best. We all know DN 2023 can beat Team 91 Bandits, L.I. Express, FCA, or any other 2023 anytime. Who cares about the DN Holdbacks. We all know they are on age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some 24's and some 15 year olds for sure...
Should have had those 24's play for the Dukes Mainline team. A combo 23/24 team playing in a 24 bracket goes 0-3 outscored 34-1..

"for sure" Oh yeah? Which 12 or 13 year old are you referring to. This "They have holdbacks" thing that everyone LOVES to use regarding DN has no validity but on an anonymous board you can go ahead and spout your "for sure truth" all you'd like--doesn't make it actual truth at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's face it Dukes Nationals 2023 is probably the best 2023 team in the country and won their last 4 or 5 tournaments. So what they were B Team Tournaments at best. We all know DN 2023 can beat Team 91 Bandits, L.I. Express, FCA, or any other 2023 anytime. Who cares about the DN Holdbacks. We all know they are on age.

Oh I hadn't realized that NXT Cup was a B Team Tournament that included BL and 91 Warriors. And Battle on the Bay was also a B Team Tournament that included Igloo and the Texas Mustangs? DN lost by 1 to 91 Bandits at [lacrosse]'s last winter, beat FCA this past summer at Beach Lax and hasn't played LIE to the best of my knowledge. All with no holdbacks, no matter how much haters want to hate.

So we are d****d if we do and d****d if we don't.... meaning posters are complaining that we should "look at Team 91 and Legacy in LI" they play up and a couple threads later we have 24s on our team...who are "playing up" right? 2023 team are kids who tried out and made it . Dukes takes the best. Anyone on this forum can have their son tryout...every month these same posters talk about the "money grab" mini camps but have your son tryout and see....My son is a Duke and works hard and is very PROUD TO BE A DUKE!! We've been playing lax since he was 6 now 12 (yes truly 12 on the 2023) and we are from the area and he worked hard to be a DUKE and maintain his roster spot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are d****d if we do and d****d if we don't.... meaning posters are complaining that we should "look at Team 91 and Legacy in LI" they play up and a couple threads later we have 24s on our team...who are "playing up" right? 2023 team are kids who tried out and made it . Dukes takes the best. Anyone on this forum can have their son tryout...every month these same posters talk about the "money grab" mini camps but have your son tryout and see....My son is a Duke and works hard and is very PROUD TO BE A DUKE!! We've been playing lax since he was 6 now 12 (yes truly 12 on the 2023) and we are from the area and he worked hard to be a DUKE and maintain his roster spot

If your kid likes it -- stay with it. Who cares about any of the other teams. All that matters is that your son is enjoying his experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your kid likes it -- stay with it. Who cares about any of the other teams. All that matters is that your son is enjoying his experience.

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Nobody likes sane, rational thoughts around here! You get on the blind, insulting hate train or you get out of here right now!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your kid likes it -- stay with it. Who cares about any of the other teams. All that matters is that your son is enjoying his experience.

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Nobody likes sane, rational thoughts around here! You get on the blind, insulting hate train or you get out of here right now!

LOL. Not sure I'm sane. That might be stretching it. I do know that a lot of the Duke's parents are having issues - but if it is working for his son. Awesome. He just shouldn't get pissed if you son gets bumped down below the line. It's what he signed up for.

Agree..He understands how the depth chart works and he's 12 and hears what people say about it. And notices that some kids don't move from list but "the idea" of the chart I like. (I know I'm going to get alot of flack from that statement) But the idea that boys have to earn and maintain spot I like keeps them hungry.

Sounds like an awesome kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's face it Dukes Nationals 2023 is probably the best 2023 team in the country and won their last 4 or 5 tournaments. So what they were B Team Tournaments at best. We all know DN 2023 can beat Team 91 Bandits, L.I. Express, FCA, or any other 2023 anytime. Who cares about the DN Holdbacks. We all know they are on age.

Oh I hadn't realized that NXT Cup was a B Team Tournament that included BL and 91 Warriors. And Battle on the Bay was also a B Team Tournament that included Igloo and the Texas Mustangs? DN lost by 1 to 91 Bandits at [lacrosse]'s last winter, beat FCA this past summer at Beach Lax and hasn't played LIE to the best of my knowledge. All with no holdbacks, no matter how much haters want to hate.

Having played against Dukes Nationals and the teams listed above don't kid yourself you are not the best 2023 team in the country. I would give that award to TRUE Nationals. They would spank your 2023 Team just like they did to 91 Bandits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are d****d if we do and d****d if we don't.... meaning posters are complaining that we should "look at Team 91 and Legacy in LI" they play up and a couple threads later we have 24s on our team...who are "playing up" right? 2023 team are kids who tried out and made it . Dukes takes the best. Anyone on this forum can have their son tryout...every month these same posters talk about the "money grab" mini camps but have your son tryout and see....My son is a Duke and works hard and is very PROUD TO BE A DUKE!! We've been playing lax since he was 6 now 12 (yes truly 12 on the 2023) and we are from the area and he worked hard to be a DUKE and maintain his roster spot

I think you are missing the point. Most of us don't care to play for Dukes Nationals and aren't interested in trying out. The original poster made a point that playing in the tournament that you did was classless and I agree with them. Interesting enough I would also agree with the poster that said you should have simply played UP. Then nobody would have had issue with it. It does beg the question why didn't you play up? Are you kidding everyone knows the club scene well enough to figure out how competitive each and every tournament is PRIOR to it being played. Victory can call it AA but that isn't just a marketing ploy and nothing more. There were certainly AA teams that participated across multiple brackets but there wasn't a single bracket that was a AA BRACKET. Get some cohones and play UP like a good respectable club

The depth chart would be a great idea if you had 40 of the same kids showing up to proactive. What do you tell your kid when he is the 4th attackman on the list but gets bumped for a non paying guest player? Where are the coaches kids on the depth chart I am wondering?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The depth chart would be a great idea if you had 40 of the same kids showing up to proactive. What do you tell your kid when he is the 4th attackman on the list but gets bumped for a non paying guest player? Where are the coaches kids on the depth chart I am wondering?

Coaches kids are ALWAYS above the line......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are d****d if we do and d****d if we don't.... meaning posters are complaining that we should "look at Team 91 and Legacy in LI" they play up and a couple threads later we have 24s on our team...who are "playing up" right? 2023 team are kids who tried out and made it . Dukes takes the best. Anyone on this forum can have their son tryout...every month these same posters talk about the "money grab" mini camps but have your son tryout and see....My son is a Duke and works hard and is very PROUD TO BE A DUKE!! We've been playing lax since he was 6 now 12 (yes truly 12 on the 2023) and we are from the area and he worked hard to be a DUKE and maintain his roster spot

I think you are missing the point. Most of us don't care to play for Dukes Nationals and aren't interested in trying out. The original poster made a point that playing in the tournament that you did was classless and I agree with them. Interesting enough I would also agree with the poster that said you should have simply played UP. Then nobody would have had issue with it. It does beg the question why didn't you play up? Are you kidding everyone knows the club scene well enough to figure out how competitive each and every tournament is PRIOR to it being played. Victory can call it AA but that isn't just a marketing ploy and nothing more. There were certainly AA teams that participated across multiple brackets but there wasn't a single bracket that was a AA BRACKET. Get some cohones and play UP like a good respectable club

This is not true... the older teams complain about having to play younger teams, it's a waste of time they say. Keep doing what you want Dukes, nobody is ever satisfied. And until we get age brackets anyone complaining about stupid stuff like this is missing the forest for the trees. There is NO integrity in the brackets nor do you ever know exactly what age you are playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's face it Dukes Nationals 2023 is probably the best 2023 team in the country and won their last 4 or 5 tournaments. So what they were B Team Tournaments at best. We all know DN 2023 can beat Team 91 Bandits, L.I. Express, FCA, or any other 2023 anytime. Who cares about the DN Holdbacks. We all know they are on age.

Oh I hadn't realized that NXT Cup was a B Team Tournament that included BL and 91 Warriors. And Battle on the Bay was also a B Team Tournament that included Igloo and the Texas Mustangs? DN lost by 1 to 91 Bandits at [lacrosse]'s last winter, beat FCA this past summer at Beach Lax and hasn't played LIE to the best of my knowledge. All with no holdbacks, no matter how much haters want to hate.

Having played against Dukes Nationals and the teams listed above don't kid yourself you are not the best 2023 team in the country. I would give that award to TRUE Nationals. They would spank your 2023 Team just like they did to 91 Bandits.

Agree with this poster. Our Team Brotherly Love played both these teams this past summer. True Nationals, I think beat us 6-0 or maybe we got a goal. Although we played our worst game of the tournament there is not no way to sugar coat the end result. However we played Dukes Nationals as well this past summer and I think we lost by 3 something like 9-6 but don't quote me on that. For that game however we were missing three of our best players. TRUE Nationals is a better team and I also think Team 91 Bandits is also better.

Don't get ahead of yourself calling your team the best 2023 team in the country, it is simply untrue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The depth chart would be a great idea if you had 40 of the same kids showing up to proactive. What do you tell your kid when he is the 4th attackman on the list but gets bumped for a non paying guest player? Where are the coaches kids on the depth chart I am wondering?

Coaches kids are ALWAYS above the line......

That’s just stupid. One spent the entire summer below the travel line.

Are G and Ebe partners? Hearing rumblings that G is going to run the shoe while Ebe shops for a new rug.

You sign up for dog eat dog - you get dog eat dog. Don’t blame anyone but yourself. Everyone has a story to [lacrosse] about but there is alway the other side of the coin. Move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The depth chart would be a great idea if you had 40 of the same kids showing up to proactive. What do you tell your kid when he is the 4th attackman on the list but gets bumped for a non paying guest player? Where are the coaches kids on the depth chart I am wondering?

Coaches kids are ALWAYS above the line......

That’s just stupid. One spent the entire summer below the travel line.

WHO??

The Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is now $85.00 and last year they were $40.00. Same coaches has it improved more than twice as much in 12 months?

So DN parents were forced and hounded for the equipment payment with emails and text to pay right away, but 3 months later no helmet, no bag, no socks, no gloves. Please explain that?

There is NO Daddy Ball on Duke's Nationals please stop. It's a program. There are zero agenda items.

DN 2024 needs some good coaches. That's why they pulled out of the tournament. They are the weakest team in the program. Parents see the problem. B and C tournaments and the 2024 Coaches come an go ever other month.

Couldn't make the mortgage payment only charging 40 a person...

Do current DN kids have to pay for the mini camps or are they included?

Good thing G replaced the only consistent coaches they had at 2023. Now 2023 will have new coaches every other month too. But keep paying your money!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN 2024 needs some good coaches. That's why they pulled out of the tournament. They are the weakest team in the program. Parents see the problem. B and C tournaments and the 2024 Coaches come an go ever other month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good thing G replaced the only consistent coaches they had at 2023. Now 2023 will have new coaches every other month too. But keep paying your money!

Those consistent coaches are still part of the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do current DN kids have to pay for the mini camps or are they included?

Mini camps are included in the mini-camp package. Cost is $60/mini camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do current DN kids have to pay for the mini camps or are they included?

Mini camps are included in the mini-camp package. Cost is $60/mini camp.

It's only included if you pay for all mini-camps up front ($600 for 10 mini camps), if the current DN players decide to go camp to camp they have to pay the $85 and if they miss the window to register for the camp throw another $15 late fee on top...another complete rip off..give us all your money up front now or pay more later.. What happened to the original cost of $40 per mini-camp and the ability to pay as you go???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are d****d if we do and d****d if we don't.... meaning posters are complaining that we should "look at Team 91 and Legacy in LI" they play up and a couple threads later we have 24s on our team...who are "playing up" right? 2023 team are kids who tried out and made it . Dukes takes the best. Anyone on this forum can have their son tryout...every month these same posters talk about the "money grab" mini camps but have your son tryout and see....My son is a Duke and works hard and is very PROUD TO BE A DUKE!! We've been playing lax since he was 6 now 12 (yes truly 12 on the 2023) and we are from the area and he worked hard to be a DUKE and maintain his roster spot

I think you are missing the point. Most of us don't care to play for Dukes Nationals and aren't interested in trying out. The original poster made a point that playing in the tournament that you did was classless and I agree with them. Interesting enough I would also agree with the poster that said you should have simply played UP. Then nobody would have had issue with it. It does beg the question why didn't you play up? Are you kidding everyone knows the club scene well enough to figure out how competitive each and every tournament is PRIOR to it being played. Victory can call it AA but that isn't just a marketing ploy and nothing more. There were certainly AA teams that participated across multiple brackets but there wasn't a single bracket that was a AA BRACKET. Get some cohones and play UP like a good respectable club

This is not true... the older teams complain about having to play younger teams, it's a waste of time they say. Keep doing what you want Dukes, nobody is ever satisfied. And until we get age brackets anyone complaining about stupid stuff like this is missing the forest for the trees. There is NO integrity in the brackets nor do you ever know exactly what age you are playing.

This is not True...we just played in a tournament that had an outstanding club team playing up. While there were people complaining it was more because they were getting their rear-ends kicked, and lets be frank it is a bit of humble pie to get beaten by a team playing up. Anyway you want to portray it any self respecting team would have played up. Just because your moral compass went haywire don't let the truth elude you. Judging by the scores if you are beating teams 15-0 in pool play and championships....you have picked the wrong bracket, that is just common sense. We have played teams in pool play where we win by blowouts and it isn't fun for either team....the only people that enjoy blowing out a lesser team are those that are jerks in life and it is just a part of their DNA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't doubt the tournament wanted you there it is all about the money and they don't want to cancel tournaments or have brackets of three teams. I agree with the first guy ridiculous and don't think it doesn't hurt your brand and image. I was on the sidelines and people aren't sitting there thinking "wow, good for Dukes Nationals" the comments I heard were 100% negative. The other poster is right if you are going to play in a smaller more local tournament every single team should have played UP.

Look at Team 91 and Legacy in LI they play in the same types of tournaments as well and while they aren't a National Team they play UP. But oh...they don't usually win when they play UP, so it tells me you are a win at all costs club. Wouldn't have it been better for individual player development if each team challenged themselves by playing UP. Classless.

Oh my. You sound like a Monday morning quarterback. Just because you blow out a team doesn't mean that you should have played up. You can only make such observations AFTER the tournament. Why could you assume that you are going to blow out a team in your age group prior to playing them. Any team can get beat.

Under your logic of playing up either the 8th grade team wouldnt play or you would have two Duke age groups play in the same division.
What sense does that make if you have a team in all age groups. For all that they could just scrimmage each other.

Monday morning quarterbacks are the worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are d****d if we do and d****d if we don't.... meaning posters are complaining that we should "look at Team 91 and Legacy in LI" they play up and a couple threads later we have 24s on our team...who are "playing up" right? 2023 team are kids who tried out and made it . Dukes takes the best. Anyone on this forum can have their son tryout...every month these same posters talk about the "money grab" mini camps but have your son tryout and see....My son is a Duke and works hard and is very PROUD TO BE A DUKE!! We've been playing lax since he was 6 now 12 (yes truly 12 on the 2023) and we are from the area and he worked hard to be a DUKE and maintain his roster spot

I think you are missing the point. Most of us don't care to play for Dukes Nationals and aren't interested in trying out. The original poster made a point that playing in the tournament that you did was classless and I agree with them. Interesting enough I would also agree with the poster that said you should have simply played UP. Then nobody would have had issue with it. It does beg the question why didn't you play up? Are you kidding everyone knows the club scene well enough to figure out how competitive each and every tournament is PRIOR to it being played. Victory can call it AA but that isn't just a marketing ploy and nothing more. There were certainly AA teams that participated across multiple brackets but there wasn't a single bracket that was a AA BRACKET. Get some cohones and play UP like a good respectable club

This is not true... the older teams complain about having to play younger teams, it's a waste of time they say. Keep doing what you want Dukes, nobody is ever satisfied. And until we get age brackets anyone complaining about stupid stuff like this is missing the forest for the trees. There is NO integrity in the brackets nor do you ever know exactly what age you are playing.

This is not True...we just played in a tournament that had an outstanding club team playing up. While there were people complaining it was more because they were getting their rear-ends kicked, and lets be frank it is a bit of humble pie to get beaten by a team playing up. Anyway you want to portray it any self respecting team would have played up. Just because your moral compass went haywire don't let the truth elude you. Judging by the scores if you are beating teams 15-0 in pool play and championships....you have picked the wrong bracket, that is just common sense. We have played teams in pool play where we win by blowouts and it isn't fun for either team....the only people that enjoy blowing out a lesser team are those that are jerks in life and it is just a part of their DNA.

So...in other words what I said was correct. I didn't say they had a good reason to complain, I just said they complained. I have a 2023 who will play with his 2021 brother sometimes depending on the circumstances so I have zero problem with anyone playing up. But let's not act like we REALLY know what age we're playing, grade yes, age no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN 2024 needs some good coaches. That's why they pulled out of the tournament. They are the weakest team in the program. Parents see the problem. B and C tournaments and the 2024 Coaches come an go ever other month.

Don't think the 2024 team pulled out because of not having good coaches. But stick with that if you beleive it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's face it Dukes Nationals 2023 is probably the best 2023 team in the country and won their last 4 or 5 tournaments. So what they were B Team Tournaments at best. We all know DN 2023 can beat Team 91 Bandits, L.I. Express, FCA, or any other 2023 anytime. Who cares about the DN Holdbacks. We all know they are on age.

Oh I hadn't realized that NXT Cup was a B Team Tournament that included BL and 91 Warriors. And Battle on the Bay was also a B Team Tournament that included Igloo and the Texas Mustangs? DN lost by 1 to 91 Bandits at [lacrosse]'s last winter, beat FCA this past summer at Beach Lax and hasn't played LIE to the best of my knowledge. All with no holdbacks, no matter how much haters want to hate.

Having played against Dukes Nationals and the teams listed above don't kid yourself you are not the best 2023 team in the country. I would give that award to TRUE Nationals. They would spank your 2023 Team just like they did to 91 Bandits.

Agree with this poster. Our Team Brotherly Love played both these teams this past summer. True Nationals, I think beat us 6-0 or maybe we got a goal. Although we played our worst game of the tournament there is not no way to sugar coat the end result. However we played Dukes Nationals as well this past summer and I think we lost by 3 something like 9-6 but don't quote me on that. For that game however we were missing three of our best players. TRUE Nationals is a better team and I also think Team 91 Bandits is also better.

Don't get ahead of yourself calling your team the best 2023 team in the country, it is simply untrue.

While until Brotherly Love can beat them they are. LOL. Why is it that steams lose its either because they were missing their best player(s) or because the other team had comebacks.

darn! Just take the lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's only a matter of time and money before you figure it out. In the end everyone ends up unhappy.

So very true. They need to have the monthly mini camps to pull in the next players for the depth chart to cover the spot of the players leaving the team, excuse me, the "Program" each month. The "program" is a complete joke and the depth chart means nothing, it is never followed. The same players miss multiple mini camps and tournaments to only stay exactly where they are on the chart with no accountability at all. I have been told by multiple coaches at various levels that they have no input into the depth chart, it is all decided by Management, funny how he decides the depth chart when he is actually never watching the mini camps at all, too busy [lacrosse] the new families about his incredible "program" to keep the money train coming.

Sounds like a parent whose son cant crack the above the travel line to save his life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's only a matter of time and money before you figure it out. In the end everyone ends up unhappy.

So very true. They need to have the monthly mini camps to pull in the next players for the depth chart to cover the spot of the players leaving the team, excuse me, the "Program" each month. The "program" is a complete joke and the depth chart means nothing, it is never followed. The same players miss multiple mini camps and tournaments to only stay exactly where they are on the chart with no accountability at all. I have been told by multiple coaches at various levels that they have no input into the depth chart, it is all decided by Management, funny how he decides the depth chart when he is actually never watching the mini camps at all, too busy [lacrosse] the new families about his incredible "program" to keep the money train coming.

Sounds like a parent whose son cant crack the above the travel line roster to save his life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's face it Dukes Nationals 2023 is probably the best 2023 team in the country and won their last 4 or 5 tournaments. So what they were B Team Tournaments at best. We all know DN 2023 can beat Team 91 Bandits, L.I. Express, FCA, or any other 2023 anytime. Who cares about the DN Holdbacks. We all know they are on age.

Oh I hadn't realized that NXT Cup was a B Team Tournament that included BL and 91 Warriors. And Battle on the Bay was also a B Team Tournament that included Igloo and the Texas Mustangs? DN lost by 1 to 91 Bandits at [lacrosse]'s last winter, beat FCA this past summer at Beach Lax and hasn't played LIE to the best of my knowledge. All with no holdbacks, no matter how much haters want to hate.

Having played against Dukes Nationals and the teams listed above don't kid yourself you are not the best 2023 team in the country. I would give that award to TRUE Nationals. They would spank your 2023 Team just like they did to 91 Bandits.

Agree with this poster. Our Team Brotherly Love played both these teams this past summer. True Nationals, I think beat us 6-0 or maybe we got a goal. Although we played our worst game of the tournament there is not no way to sugar coat the end result. However we played Dukes Nationals as well this past summer and I think we lost by 3 something like 9-6 but don't quote me on that. For that game however we were missing three of our best players. TRUE Nationals is a better team and I also think Team 91 Bandits is also better.

Don't get ahead of yourself calling your team the best 2023 team in the country, it is simply untrue.

While until Brotherly Love can beat them they are. LOL. Why is it that steams lose its either because they were missing their best player(s) or because the other team had comebacks.

darn! Just take the lost.

Not sure if that was coherent English but deciphering intent.
We did take the loss and gave credit where credit was due. Funny though when Brotherly Love Beat Dukes Nationals last year I think it was like 6-0 the first time we played them the first thing out of your Head Coaches mouth was, "we were missing some key players" I was standing right behind him while he was making that excuse. Sounds like your HC should practice that as well. I don't know about you but 6-0 isn't even a game.

So... 12 months ago BL was MUCH better now they’re not? Sounds like your team is going in the wrong direction.

Actually they are better than ever however your excuse of missing your best players was the same and I looked up the score it was actually 5-0 how do you assemble a National Team and score 0 goals against a local team ....Laughable

Laughable to beating BL in 9 months, they must be doing something right? BL helmets were at Rutgers tryout, guess they don’t think you’re doing better than ever?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually they are better than ever however your excuse of missing your best players was the same and I looked up the score it was actually 5-0 how do you assemble a National Team and score 0 goals against a local team ....Laughable

How are Dukes 2024 compared to the other DN teams? Are they on the same level as Team 91, MadLax, TAZ, etc?

What happened to the Brotherly Love 2024 midi that tried out for Wolfpack, but was turned away? I believe he was the top player on the BL team. A big kid. Is he still on Brotherly love?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are Dukes 2024 compared to the other DN teams? Are they on the same level as Team 91, MadLax, TAZ, etc?

I'm sure the Director can answer that one.

[quote=Anonymous]

What happened to the Brotherly Love 2024 midi that tried out for Wolfpack, but was turned away? I believe he was the top player on the BL team. A big kid. Is he still on Brotherly love?

Due to the fact that I can't be in the same room with my mother-in-law for more than two hours I am pretending to catch up on work. We just played BL and we have played them as much as any club out there. They have gotten better, they looked sloppy but they added a big attack that scored a lot of goals. There is little doubt that the best kid on that team is the coach's son #10 that plays attack. He either scores or assist on 75% of all the goals. Their FOGO can be dominant as well he was against us. I think those are there three best players. I don't like the BL parents though I find them smug and obnoxious.

It should be interesting at 2024 my buddy just shared with me a brochure that Brotherly Love is forming a 2024 National Team. He said Dukes kids are leaving the program that did 2024 Nationals last year and he didn't go back this year and is joining Brotherly Love Nationals. The kids he mentioned are big time players at 2024. I have to give credit to BL both dad's stepping down as coaches and bringing in professional coaches, that alone makes me seriously consider trying out for their team next year. Couldn't be more tired of these dad coaches thinking there kid is the next Paul Rabil.

I would be very interested in seeing that brochure about the national team at brotherly love

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be very interested in seeing that brochure about the national team at brotherly love

We play on a very good New Jersey Club and I would be interested in having my son try out love their HC and his box background to me they are modeling their approach after Matt Brown at Denver. Are they having open tryouts and if so when and where? Is it just at 2024 I have a 2022 boy as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would be very interested in seeing that brochure about the national team at brotherly love

We play on a very good New Jersey Club and I would be interested in having my son try out love their HC and his box background to me they are modeling their approach after Matt Brown at Denver. Are they having open tryouts and if so when and where? Is it just at 2024 I have a 2022 boy as well.

Looking at their website I don’t see any mention of this National Team. Where are the tryouts what tournaments are they doing. We don’t currently play for their club but would definitely try out for this National Team. Are they doing 2023 Nationals isn’t that their best team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's only a matter of time and money before you figure it out. In the end everyone ends up unhappy.

So very true. They need to have the monthly mini camps to pull in the next players for the depth chart to cover the spot of the players leaving the team, excuse me, the "Program" each month. The "program" is a complete joke and the depth chart means nothing, it is never followed. The same players miss multiple mini camps and tournaments to only stay exactly where they are on the chart with no accountability at all. I have been told by multiple coaches at various levels that they have no input into the depth chart, it is all decided by Management, funny how he decides the depth chart when he is actually never watching the mini camps at all, too busy [lacrosse] the new families about his incredible "program" to keep the money train coming.

Sounds like a parent whose son cant crack the above the travel line to save his life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's only a matter of time and money before you figure it out. In the end everyone ends up unhappy.

So very true. They need to have the monthly mini camps to pull in the next players for the depth chart to cover the spot of the players leaving the team, excuse me, the "Program" each month. The "program" is a complete joke and the depth chart means nothing, it is never followed. The same players miss multiple mini camps and tournaments to only stay exactly where they are on the chart with no accountability at all. I have been told by multiple coaches at various levels that they have no input into the depth chart, it is all decided by Management, funny how he decides the depth chart when he is actually never watching the mini camps at all, too busy [lacrosse] the new families about his incredible "program" to keep the money train coming.

Sounds like a parent whose son cant crack the above the travel line roster to save his life.

Completely wrong, has been above the travel line the entire time on the team ( 2 years). Learn to read, the point is that the mini camps and depth chart are a joke to players above and below the line. Mini camps are only money makers ( $40 to $85 dollars in two years and no change in mini camp practices), no real evaluations are completed on the players, obviously you have not been to any or you would know. If the Program was followed and executed as explained to parents it would actually be a great program but it is not followed at all. Let me know if you have any questions and I can explain it in simpler terms if you need me too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's only a matter of time and money before you figure it out. In the end everyone ends up unhappy.

So very true. They need to have the monthly mini camps to pull in the next players for the depth chart to cover the spot of the players leaving the team, excuse me, the "Program" each month. The "program" is a complete joke and the depth chart means nothing, it is never followed. The same players miss multiple mini camps and tournaments to only stay exactly where they are on the chart with no accountability at all. I have been told by multiple coaches at various levels that they have no input into the depth chart, it is all decided by Management, funny how he decides the depth chart when he is actually never watching the mini camps at all, too busy [lacrosse] the new families about his incredible "program" to keep the money train coming.

Sounds like a parent whose son cant crack the above the travel line to save his life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's only a matter of time and money before you figure it out. In the end everyone ends up unhappy.

So very true. They need to have the monthly mini camps to pull in the next players for the depth chart to cover the spot of the players leaving the team, excuse me, the "Program" each month. The "program" is a complete joke and the depth chart means nothing, it is never followed. The same players miss multiple mini camps and tournaments to only stay exactly where they are on the chart with no accountability at all. I have been told by multiple coaches at various levels that they have no input into the depth chart, it is all decided by Management, funny how he decides the depth chart when he is actually never watching the mini camps at all, too busy [lacrosse] the new families about his incredible "program" to keep the money train coming.

Sounds like a parent whose son cant crack the above the travel line roster to save his life.

Completely wrong, has been above the travel line the entire time on the team ( 2 years). Learn to read, the point is that the mini camps and depth chart are a joke to players above and below the line. Mini camps are only money makers ( $40 to $85 dollars in two years and no change in mini camp practices), no real evaluations are completed on the players, obviously you have not been to any or you would know. If the Program was followed and executed as explained to parents it would actually be a great program but it is not followed at all. Let me know if you have any questions and I can explain it in simpler terms if you need me too.

Looks to me like Brotherly Love is going to step up and compete with Dukes with their own National Team....This should be interesting

They might want to concentrate on building decent teams other than the 23s and 24s 1st.

Does anyone have anything factual regarding a brotherly love national team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They might want to concentrate on building decent teams other than the 23s and 24s 1st.

Hmmm I think decent team is a bit of an understatement. Love them or hate them both those teams are pretty darn good. My sons teams have been rolled by both of them they are a bit better than decent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They might want to concentrate on building decent teams other than the 23s and 24s 1st.

Hmmm I think decent team is a bit of an understatement. Love them or hate them both those teams are pretty darn good. My sons teams have been rolled by both of them they are a bit better than decent.

Maybe your son's team is just that awful.

Or maybe I struck a nerve...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They might want to concentrate on building decent teams other than the 23s and 24s 1st.

My kid plays on one of those teams, considering that they only have 5 grade levels and their oldest team is only 2022 that isn't bad for a club that has only three years under their belt to put 2 teams in the national ranks. We also left another local club to play out for Brotherly Love.. Way more organized, better coaching and ironically cheaper.

any truth to the rumors that a lot of players are leaving the nationals 2023 team because of the coaching changes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any truth to the rumors that a lot of players are leaving the nationals 2023 team because of the coaching changes?

Aren't most of the 23s BL players? If they have a national team why stay with Dukee

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any truth to the rumors that a lot of players are leaving the nationals 2023 team because of the coaching changes?

Aren't most of the 23s BL players? If they have a national team why stay with Dukee

None of the kids are from BL, the coaches and kids play for Freedom.

We played Dukes Nationals and yes we lost and they were ridiculously over age...I mean big...but they had one kids that scored like 5 goals and we only lost by 3 goals. Ironically, we have the perfect kid on our team that could have stopped Wonderboy or Overageboy, unfortunately he wasn't at the tournament. True National is the better of the two National Teams. But sounds like everyone and their mother is starting a National Team.

Yes and your perfect kid is 2 months older than Wonderboy what does that make your perfect kid? BL hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We played Dukes Nationals and yes we lost and they were ridiculously over age...I mean big...but they had one kids that scored like 5 goals and we only lost by 3 goals. Ironically, we have the perfect kid on our team that could have stopped Wonderboy or Overageboy, unfortunately he wasn't at the tournament. True National is the better of the two National Teams. But sounds like everyone and their mother is starting a National Team.

Ridiculously overage? Maybe you should meet your own team before you criticize others.

http://www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/WSYL-Championship-Schedule.aspx

At the end of the day National teams should be better than local club teams, such as BL. Its a testament to those kids that they can compete. At the end of the day National teams should play other National teams, they are recruiting from a larger pool. It's somewhat comical that Dukes plays in these local level tournaments and beats up on everyone by 15 goals. I guess it makes the coaches feel better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ridiculously overage? Maybe you should meet your own team before you criticize others.

http://www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/WSYL-Championship-Schedule.aspx

Wow, 9 2023s on that team with 7 of them being overage (for a 2023)!

The 2023 Dukes Team is Playing in Tampa in late December; does anyone know what other teams will be represented at the (lacrosse)'s Sporting Goods Tampa Tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the end of the day National teams should be better than local club teams, such as BL. Its a testament to those kids that they can compete. At the end of the day National teams should play other National teams, they are recruiting from a larger pool. It's somewhat comical that Dukes plays in these local level tournaments and beats up on everyone by 15 goals. I guess it makes the coaches feel better.

How many National teams do you know of - 1, 2, 3? If National teams only played National Teams only then the same teams would just play each other over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again! Does that really make sense? Don't answer that, you already know the answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They might want to concentrate on building decent teams other than the 23s and 24s 1st.

Agree!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ridiculously overage? Maybe you should meet your own team before you criticize others.

http://www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/WSYL-Championship-Schedule.aspx

Wow, 9 2023s on that team with 7 of them being overage (for a 2023)!

I know the team well of course they are overage most boys are over age especially since Unionville has a pre first program. Boys with summer birthday s being a grade lower is pretty standard ....yawn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the end of the day National teams should be better than local club teams, such as BL. Its a testament to those kids that they can compete. At the end of the day National teams should play other National teams, they are recruiting from a larger pool. It's somewhat comical that Dukes plays in these local level tournaments and beats up on everyone by 15 goals. I guess it makes the coaches feel better.

How many National teams do you know of - 1, 2, 3? If National teams only played National Teams only then the same teams would just play each other over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again! Does that really make sense? Don't answer that, you already know the answer.

I can think of at least 6 and more starting every season. They don’t all call themselves Nationals but they are all star teams pulling from More than 100 miles away from each other

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the end of the day National teams should be better than local club teams, such as BL. Its a testament to those kids that they can compete. At the end of the day National teams should play other National teams, they are recruiting from a larger pool. It's somewhat comical that Dukes plays in these local level tournaments and beats up on everyone by 15 goals. I guess it makes the coaches feel better.

How many National teams do you know of - 1, 2, 3? If National teams only played National Teams only then the same teams would just play each other over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again! Does that really make sense? Don't answer that, you already know the answer.

Knock it off G way more than 3 and lot more coming your days are numberd my friend better dust off the resume cause you are going to need to apply for a real job like the rest of us stiffs. You think all these top notch club teams with great coaches are going to continue let you poaching their players not to mention a lot smarter business men than you. You may be accused of a lot of things on this board but good businessman has never been one of them. Club Lacrosse has become big money and your out of your league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ridiculously overage? Maybe you should meet your own team before you criticize others.

http://www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/WSYL-Championship-Schedule.aspx

Wow, 9 2023s on that team with 7 of them being overage (for a 2023)!

I know the team well of course they are overage most boys are over age especially since Unionville has a pre first program. Boys with summer birthday s being a grade lower is pretty standard ....yawn

So why attack others for the same offense?

Because the guy running your program has a horrible reputation built on years of blatantly cheating with over grad kids, running up scores, and overall lack of integrity. This latest episode at Victory just validates again. National Teams should not play in local tournaments, just because the tournament decides to call the bracket AA doesn't mean it is anyone looking at the brackets could have told you the same thing. If there are no powerhouse LI or MD teams attending or teams flying in it is not a AA Tournament at the National Level. Each team plays up they still win judging the scores. If they didn't win would it have been a bad thing or do you just get better playing a competitive game. Respect the game.You are in denial if you think your club Respected the Game.

No one is defending the guy running the program, attack him if you feel the need to vent.

Just stop attacking the kids with lies and being a hypocrite. Did BL respect the game at Liberty Shootout?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because the guy running your program has a horrible reputation built on years of blatantly cheating with over grad kids, running up scores, and overall lack of integrity. This latest episode at Victory just validates again. National Teams should not play in local tournaments, just because the tournament decides to call the bracket AA doesn't mean it is anyone looking at the brackets could have told you the same thing. If there are no powerhouse LI or MD teams attending or teams flying in it is not a AA Tournament at the National Level. Each team plays up they still win judging the scores. If they didn't win would it have been a bad thing or do you just get better playing a competitive game. Respect the game.You are in denial if you think your club Respected the Game.

Okay. All the top teams pull kids from multiple states. Even the Long Island Teams. Even Philly Teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because the guy running your program has a horrible reputation built on years of blatantly cheating with over grad kids, running up scores, and overall lack of integrity. This latest episode at Victory just validates again. National Teams should not play in local tournaments, just because the tournament decides to call the bracket AA doesn't mean it is anyone looking at the brackets could have told you the same thing. If there are no powerhouse LI or MD teams attending or teams flying in it is not a AA Tournament at the National Level. Each team plays up they still win judging the scores. If they didn't win would it have been a bad thing or do you just get better playing a competitive game. Respect the game.You are in denial if you think your club Respected the Game.

Okay. All the top teams pull kids from multiple states. Even the Long Island Teams. Even Philly Teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is defending the guy running the program, attack him if you feel the need to vent.

Just stop attacking the kids with lies and being a hypocrite. Did BL respect the game at Liberty Shootout?

Yup, look at the scores we don't consider our selves a National Team. I know that our team was appropriately placed and we didn't win every division we entered. You might want to look at what your Jersey says on the front. Admit it there is no excuse for a National Team to be playing on grade at Victory. We only have Philly kids not sure about other Philly teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2023 Dukes Team is Playing in Tampa in late December; does anyone know what other teams will be represented at the (lacrosse)'s Sporting Goods Tampa Tournament?

The tournament is a joke...maybe 1/2 good teams (not including Dukes) in each age group the rest of the teams are a waste of time to even play. The tournament is a money grab, teams can play better teams in local Philly tournaments. Spend the 5 grand to go and win three games by 10-15 goals each, complete waste of time and money but Dukes management likes the free vacation each year so they play in the "National" tournament.

sure there are 3 or 4 National teams, but there are also top level tournaments with LI Express, Primetime , Team 91, etc. If you continue to play in Low A tournaments like Victory and NXT, then don't walk around declaring you are the greatest.

Simple excuse. No one gets paid if they don’t play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is defending the guy running the program, attack him if you feel the need to vent.

Just stop attacking the kids with lies and being a hypocrite. Did BL respect the game at Liberty Shootout?

Yup, look at the scores we don't consider our selves a National Team. I know that our team was appropriately placed and we didn't win every division we entered. You might want to look at what your Jersey says on the front. Admit it there is no excuse for a National Team to be playing on grade at Victory. We only have Philly kids not sure about other Philly teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is defending the guy running the program, attack him if you feel the need to vent.

Just stop attacking the kids with lies and being a hypocrite. Did BL respect the game at Liberty Shootout?

Yup, look at the scores we don't consider our selves a National Team. I know that our team was appropriately placed and we didn't win every division we entered. You might want to look at what your Jersey says on the front. Admit it there is no excuse for a National Team to be playing on grade at Victory. We only have Philly kids not sure about other Philly teams.

Very respectful 12-0, 8-1,12-0 appropriately placed?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/publ...nament=h201706061458393740d462f1cb0fc4b#

BL Hypocrite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is defending the guy running the program, attack him if you feel the need to vent.

Just stop attacking the kids with lies and being a hypocrite. Did BL respect the game at Liberty Shootout?

Yup, look at the scores we don't consider our selves a National Team. I know that our team was appropriately placed and we didn't win every division we entered. You might want to look at what your Jersey says on the front. Admit it there is no excuse for a National Team to be playing on grade at Victory. We only have Philly kids not sure about other Philly teams.

Very respectful 12-0, 8-1,12-0 appropriately placed?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/publ...nament=h201706061458393740d462f1cb0fc4b#

BL Hypocrite

Anyone can pick random scores from pool play to help make your pitiful case seem better. Thanks for including the link look at the club as a whole and then compare that to what Dukes Nationals did as a whole at Victory. Not to mention this happens in pool play all the time. My kid has been with BL since the beginning and blowin teams out unfortunately is the norm for a lot of clubs not just in tourney pool play. Look at other tourney machines and you will see the same disparity in scores not just our club but most better clubs. Look at hogan s NXT etc. Poole play blowouts are th norm but look at the championship score and that will tell you if you Were in the right bracket why don’t you include that link from Victory, Bottom line you guys were in the wrong your just in denial. When one of our teams thumped you with a -0- goals scored were we in the wrong bracket?

Here is the link. Our 2023 Zeus team went 3-0 against Dukes Nationals, BBL, and Looneys.

We beat:
BBL 12-3
Dukes Nationals 5-0
Looney's 5-1

For the record our coach is a honorable guy and didn't run up the score it could have been worse. But nobody accused us of being in the wrong bracket, why? Let me answer for you my dimwitted friend, that is because the three teams we played are all top notch competition, there in lies the difference.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...;IDTeam=h2016101910453666234cbfdbca89b4b

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the link. Our 2023 Zeus team went 3-0 against Dukes Nationals, BBL, and Looneys.

We beat:
BBL 12-3
Dukes Nationals 5-0
Looney's 5-1

For the record our coach is a honorable guy and didn't run up the score it could have been worse. But nobody accused us of being in the wrong bracket, why? Let me answer for you my dimwitted friend, that is because the three teams we played are all top notch competition, there in lies the difference.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...;IDTeam=h2016101910453666234cbfdbca89b4b

Who cares about 2016, we didn't start holding our kids back until 2017.

How is this relevant to being accused of being in the wrong bracket at Liberty in 2017?

You beat:
Freedom White 12-0
NXT 8-1
Black Widow 12-0

all top notch competition?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the link. Our 2023 Zeus team went 3-0 against Dukes Nationals, BBL, and Looneys.

We beat:
BBL 12-3
Dukes Nationals 5-0
Looney's 5-1

For the record our coach is a honorable guy and didn't run up the score it could have been worse. But nobody accused us of being in the wrong bracket, why? Let me answer for you my dimwitted friend, that is because the three teams we played are all top notch competition, there in lies the difference.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...;IDTeam=h2016101910453666234cbfdbca89b4b

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is this relevant to being accused of being in the wrong bracket at Liberty in 2017?

You beat:
Freedom White 12-0
NXT 8-1
Black Widow 12-0

all top notch competition?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the link. Our 2023 Zeus team went 3-0 against Dukes Nationals, BBL, and Looneys.

We beat:
BBL 12-3
Dukes Nationals 5-0
Looney's 5-1

For the record our coach is a honorable guy and didn't run up the score it could have been worse. But nobody accused us of being in the wrong bracket, why? Let me answer for you my dimwitted friend, that is because the three teams we played are all top notch competition, there in lies the difference.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...;IDTeam=h2016101910453666234cbfdbca89b4b

My goodness you are beyond dimwitted. I was providing similar scores to what occurred at Victory per your scoring examples. Victory and Liberty are both local tournaments that nobody is going to mistake for top notch elite tournaments. Yet we weren't accused of what you are being accused of at Victory.

Let me dumb this down for you into mental [ChillLaxin] equations.

Victory = Local Tournament = National Team (DUKES) Participates without Playing UP = Blows Out everyone
Liberty = Local Tournament = Local Team (BL) plays ON Grade = Wins some Lose Some Blow out Some.

Don't make me break out the Lincoln Logs.

You are being accused of it, and your response is we aren’t being accused?

Please defend your position of playing 2023 on grade at Liberty against:

Freedom B
NXT
Black Widow
Highlanders
And your own B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are being accused of it, and your response is we aren’t being accused?

Please defend your position of playing 2023 on grade at Liberty against:

Freedom B
NXT
Black Widow
Highlanders
And your own B team

Dude I don’t make those decisions our 2023 is excellent we all went to the same tournament several of our teams did great others did not you are looking at it micro I am looking at it macro but that concept is clearly beyond your mental capacity. More simply put how did Dukes do as a whole at Victory that is macro so you don’t have to google it

[quote=Anonymous]Here is the link. Our 2023 Zeus team went 3-0 against Dukes Nationals, BBL, and Looneys.

We beat:
BBL 12-3
Dukes Nationals 5-0
Looney's 5-1

For the record our coach is a honorable guy and didn't run up the score it could have been worse. But nobody accused us of being in the wrong bracket, why? Let me answer for you my dimwitted friend, that is because the three teams we played are all top notch competition, there in lies the difference.

What a joke, top notch competition, all three of those team are terrible..specially Dukes...get a clue

Sorry to break it to you, she only told you it was macro to make you feel better.

Stop making excuses for BL they did the same thing that dukes did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are being accused of it, and your response is we aren’t being accused?

Please defend your position of playing 2023 on grade at Liberty against:

Freedom B
NXT
Black Widow
Highlanders
And your own B team

Dude I don’t make those decisions our 2023 is excellent we all went to the same tournament several of our teams did great others did not you are looking at it micro I am looking at it macro but that concept is clearly beyond your mental capacity. More simply put how did Dukes do as a whole at Victory that is macro so you don’t have to google it

[quote=Anonymous]Sorry to break it to you, she only told you it was macro to make you feel better.

Stop making excuses for BL they did the same thing that dukes did.

Ud duh. Hey Nimrod. I knew I would have to break out the Lincoln Logs just for you.

Brotherly Love= LOCAL TEAM
Dukes National=NATIOAL TEAM

The only thing that is truly going to be funny is watching BL kick your [ChillLaxin] at the National Game. The coaches were talking about it this weekend at tryouts and you want to talk about even better... There were Dukes Nationals players there and they ain't coming back (nor did they paint a good picture of their experience at Dukes Nationals)....I am willing to bet more Dukes Nationals kids were at our tryouts than BL kids at the Dukes tryouts....too funny considering Dukes has been around of years.

Dukes has jumped the shark, at one time they were the leading club in Philly but with the addition/failure of new franchises the last few years (Dukes South, Dukes North, Dukes mainline, Dukes nationals, Dukes twist, Dukes Virginia and Dukes young guns) they have over saturated the market with the Dukes franchise name and are looking more like a money hungry machine instead of the great travel lacrosse program it once was. The kids are seeing it as well and playing for other local teams that are offering better coaching and team consistency. I wish Dukes the best but it's time has come and gone...

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

This statement is 100% accurate. Shameful display of greed and ignorance!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

See you at the next one!

Your poor reputation is surfacing quickly. The karma bus is coming for you G......beep beep.

Dude the Karma bus is actually coming for you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your poor reputation is surfacing quickly. The karma bus is coming for you G......beep beep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

And yet our cleats have never been cleaner!

And most of the balls were pink.

Not many 22's @ minicamps the parents all starting to realize it's all a money grab for G. Every minicamp is the same never changes some old drills. No real evaluations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

Sounds like a usual Dukes Nationals Mini camp, pay to much money for some hyped up drills to get absolutely nothing out of it. The players NEVER get evaluations at any level, the coaches have no clue and G does the depth charts to his own liking, no actual discussion of the players with the coaches. Better off spending the money on some real one on one training with an actual coach who cares and is not only worrying about his bottom line...the money as in Duke Nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

See you at the next one!

NO, you won't!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

See you at the next one!

NO, you won't!!

My son plays for the Dukes National Team and in all honesty Saturday was embarrassing and there were more than a few parents upset about the arrangements. That was no more than a money maker based on the conditions these kids were asked to play in; what real evaluations could have been accomplished?? With all the money being shelled out for the mini-camps you would think an indoor facility; like the one 50 feet away could have been obtained. Shame on you Dukes!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

See you at the next one!

NO, you won't!!

My son plays for the Dukes National Team and in all honesty Saturday was embarrassing and there were more than a few parents upset about the arrangements. That was no more than a money maker based on the conditions these kids were asked to play in; what real evaluations could have been accomplished?? With all the money being shelled out for the mini-camps you would think an indoor facility; like the one 50 feet away could have been obtained. Shame on you Dukes!!

Agree, completely. Parents are starting to see the real picture, the money making mini-camps along with the coaching changes at the 2023 team, parents are starting to rethink this investment in time/ money and were talking about it Saturday at the mini camp. Why would any team change coaches that the players really like, learn from and want to play for with No notification. I would not be surprised if most of the current 2023 team left because of that change, very unhappy parents and players...Way to go Dukes Nationals!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the Dukes National Team and in all honesty Saturday was embarrassing and there were more than a few parents upset about the arrangements. That was no more than a money maker based on the conditions these kids were asked to play in; what real evaluations could have been accomplished?? With all the money being shelled out for the mini-camps you would think an indoor facility; like the one 50 feet away could have been obtained. Shame on you Dukes!!

Did it suck to play in the snow? Yes!
Did everyone get cold? Yes!
Did the kids play to their potential while slipping in the snow? No way!

Was the indoor facility available for rental? I have no idea. That building looked pretty closed. FWIW, if you go on the Coppermine web site, the indoor facility costs less to rent than that field (although Dukes may have gotten the field for nothing given the conditions.) It's probably not easy to rent an indoor facility at the last minute.

Most mini camps are pretty positive and provide excellent training. This one just separated the frostbitten from the non-frostbitten.

Also, the "New" 2023 coach wasn't even there. How has a new coach every month worked for the 2024s? Total joke and waste of time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

See you at the next one!

NO, you won't!!

My son plays for the Dukes National Team and in all honesty Saturday was embarrassing and there were more than a few parents upset about the arrangements. That was no more than a money maker based on the conditions these kids were asked to play in; what real evaluations could have been accomplished?? With all the money being shelled out for the mini-camps you would think an indoor facility; like the one 50 feet away could have been obtained. Shame on you Dukes!!

Agree, completely. Parents are starting to see the real picture, the money making mini-camps along with the coaching changes at the 2023 team, parents are starting to rethink this investment in time/ money and were talking about it Saturday at the mini camp. Why would any team change coaches that the players really like, learn from and want to play for with No notification. I would not be surprised if most of the current 2023 team left because of that change, very unhappy parents and players...Way to go Dukes Nationals!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the Dukes National Team and in all honesty Saturday was embarrassing and there were more than a few parents upset about the arrangements. That was no more than a money maker based on the conditions these kids were asked to play in; what real evaluations could have been accomplished?? With all the money being shelled out for the mini-camps you would think an indoor facility; like the one 50 feet away could have been obtained. Shame on you Dukes!!

Did it suck to play in the snow? Yes!
Did everyone get cold? Yes!
Did the kids play to their potential while slipping in the snow? No way!

Was the indoor facility available for rental? I have no idea. That building looked pretty closed. FWIW, if you go on the Coppermine web site, the indoor facility costs less to rent than that field (although Dukes may have gotten the field for nothing given the conditions.) It's probably not easy to rent an indoor facility at the last minute.

Most mini camps are pretty positive and provide excellent training. This one just separated the frostbitten from the non-frostbitten.

Then the right thing to do was to cancel it; do you really think evaluations occurred? Very disappointed in my own club!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the Dukes National Team and in all honesty Saturday was embarrassing and there were more than a few parents upset about the arrangements. That was no more than a money maker based on the conditions these kids were asked to play in; what real evaluations could have been accomplished?? With all the money being shelled out for the mini-camps you would think an indoor facility; like the one 50 feet away could have been obtained. Shame on you Dukes!!

Did it suck to play in the snow? Yes!
Did everyone get cold? Yes!
Did the kids play to their potential while slipping in the snow? No way!

Was the indoor facility available for rental? I have no idea. That building looked pretty closed. FWIW, if you go on the Coppermine web site, the indoor facility costs less to rent than that field (although Dukes may have gotten the field for nothing given the conditions.) It's probably not easy to rent an indoor facility at the last minute.

Most mini camps are pretty positive and provide excellent training. This one just separated the frostbitten from the non-frostbitten.

Then the right thing to do was to cancel it; do you really think evaluations occurred? Very disappointed in my own club!!

Not to mention none of the kids got anything out of it for their travels, aside from lining your pockets G

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for the Dukes National Team and in all honesty Saturday was embarrassing and there were more than a few parents upset about the arrangements. That was no more than a money maker based on the conditions these kids were asked to play in; what real evaluations could have been accomplished?? With all the money being shelled out for the mini-camps you would think an indoor facility; like the one 50 feet away could have been obtained. Shame on you Dukes!!

Did it suck to play in the snow? Yes!
Did everyone get cold? Yes!
Did the kids play to their potential while slipping in the snow? No way!

Was the indoor facility available for rental? I have no idea. That building looked pretty closed. FWIW, if you go on the Coppermine web site, the indoor facility costs less to rent than that field (although Dukes may have gotten the field for nothing given the conditions.) It's probably not easy to rent an indoor facility at the last minute.

Most mini camps are pretty positive and provide excellent training. This one just separated the frostbitten from the non-frostbitten.

Then the right thing to do was to cancel it; do you really think evaluations occurred? Very disappointed in my own club!!

Sure, but when could they have made the call? When Loyola backed out at 1pm? Not a big deal for the folks driving down from Philly or the local MD and VA kids, but what about the families from CT, NY, NC and CA?

If the Dukes cancelled then how would we get refunds? Not a word about the coaching change either...hmmm

Here is an idea, dont schedule a mini camp outdoors in December. Be prepared, book indoor time for December.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is an idea, dont schedule a mini camp outdoors in December. Be prepared, book indoor time for December.

That was my point exactly!! Again being a member of this club I expect more from the leadership. Indoor facilities in the winter months; not too difficult.

Unless bridges were burned, or bills not paid, and nobody will rent to the organization. Just food for thought, it happened before at The Rink up in Lehigh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

When my kid played on 2024 dukes, it took 5 minicamps of his not attending before he was removed from depth chart, and I mean he was still above the travel line!!! There are no evaluations, it's coaches flavor of the month...and not for nothing who the heck would drive their kid several hours to attend an outside practice in the middle of December, what were you expecting palm trees and coconut cocktails on the sidelines, shame on you for throwing away your money to an organization that doesn't give a sh** about you or your kid..

Well at least Dukes Nationals will be wining in Sunny Florida at the D - Tournament of Champions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared.

When my kid played on 2024 dukes, it took 5 minicamps of his not attending before he was removed from depth chart, and I mean he was still above the travel line!!! There are no evaluations, it's coaches flavor of the month...and not for nothing who the heck would drive their kid several hours to attend an outside practice in the middle of December, what were you expecting palm trees and coconut cocktails on the sidelines, shame on you for throwing away your money to an organization that doesn't give a sh** about you or your kid..

5 minicamps to be removed from the depth chart? He must have been a heck of a player on the 2024 team. The Dukes Nationals 2024 Team will dominate in Florida no question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well at least Dukes Nationals will be wining in Sunny Florida at the D - Tournament of Champions.

I would not be so sure my friend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well at least Dukes Nationals will be wining in Sunny Florida at the D - Tournament of Champions.

I would not be so sure my friend

Only if it's all req teams...

Please stop coming on here with all the hate. If you have a kid that can play D1 bring him to a minicamp so he can play with the best program in club lacrosse. If you are not sure bring him and find out. If you bring him and find out he is not a D1 player quit crying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop coming on here with all the hate. If you have a kid that can play D1 bring him to a minicamp so he can play with the best program in club lacrosse. If you are not sure bring him and find out. If you bring him and find out he is not a D1 player quit crying.

Yeah because you can tell if a 2024 kid is D1 material.....

G- you're delusional and could care less about any kid on those teams. You're ruining the one consistent team in your program by making too many changes. Stop being so full of yourself and start listening to your parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

G- you're delusional and could care less about any kid on those teams. You're ruining the one consistent team in your program by making too many changes. Stop being so full of yourself and start listening to your parents.

Very well said, he does not care about anything but making money and the "rep" he thinks he is creating for the program. He needs to understand that he is actually ruining the program by not doing anything he preaches for the players and parents. Everyone is seeing that it is really a joke of a program and leaving, no one wants to give him anymore money.

Seriously PO, make the trip to Loyola (4 hours) for a terrible Mini-camp spend $85 and now they are not even going to produce a December depth chart. Thanks for wasting my time, money and safety of my child and me driving down for the worst experience in lacrosse we have ever had and no depth chart....This is a true nightmare and we are done!!

How do you think Dukes Nationals can do any type of evaluations in an unsafe snow storm? Plus the coaches never have clipboards, but they are on their cell phones plenty. Like he says, “See you at the next minicamp” and make sure you pay right away or you will be getting and email and text. All that matters is that the coaches sons are at the top and will remain at the top of the depth chart and G got your money.
SUCKER !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

G- you're delusional and could care less about any kid on those teams. You're ruining the one consistent team in your program by making too many changes. Stop being so full of yourself and start listening to your parents.

Just give me your money and shut up

No one is forced to pay. They choose to pay to attend the clinics because of the value associated with representing the Dukes National brand. Plain and simple. This isn't a every kid gets a trophy system. It is set up so that the best ballers rise to the top.
Instead of coming on here whining, why don't you take the time to develop your child as a player???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is forced to pay. They choose to pay to attend the clinics because of the value associated with representing the Dukes National brand. Plain and simple. This isn't a every kid gets a trophy system. It is set up so that the best ballers rise to the top.
Instead of coming on here whining, why don't you take the time to develop your child as a player???

Value of Dukes? Maybe 10 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is forced to pay. They choose to pay to attend the clinics because of the value associated with representing the Dukes National brand. Plain and simple. This isn't a every kid gets a trophy system. It is set up so that the best ballers rise to the top.
Instead of coming on here whining, why don't you take the time to develop your child as a player???

This is actually the funniest post I have ever read, the "value associated with representing the Dukes National Brand", OK, let's examine the values of the Dukes Nationals management:

-Money hungry (constantly increasing prices but no change in value of program)
-Terrible/ no communication
-No player evaluations every provided to participants of the Mini camps
-Never follow the actual Depth Chart, new players at every tournament that are not on the depth chart playing over PAID players on the depth chart
-Coaches have no input into depth chart
-constant coaching changes

Those sound really good, please sign my son up so I can pay for him to learn all the great values listed above....No thanks.

Can't wait for the response to that one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is forced to pay. They choose to pay to attend the clinics because of the value associated with representing the Dukes National brand. Plain and simple. This isn't a every kid gets a trophy system. It is set up so that the best ballers rise to the top.
Instead of coming on here whining, why don't you take the time to develop your child as a player???

This is actually the funniest post I have ever read, the "value associated with representing the Dukes National Brand", OK, let's examine the values of the Dukes Nationals management:

-Money hungry (constantly increasing prices but no change in value of program)
-Terrible/ no communication
-No player evaluations every provided to participants of the Mini camps
-Never follow the actual Depth Chart, new players at every tournament that are not on the depth chart playing over PAID players on the depth chart
-Coaches have no input into depth chart
-constant coaching changes

Those sound really good, please sign my son up so I can pay for him to learn all the great values listed above....No thanks.

Sounds like a winning formula! LOL

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

But if you pay for only two more practices, you are over the travel line. Don't give up now!

spot on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

Agree 100%. This is the end of Dukes Nationals, especially with the Florida tournament that was such a joke. All the parents, I should say the parents still left are seeing the light and starting to leave the program, not worth the money or time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

Agree 100%. This is the end of Dukes Nationals, especially with the Florida tournament that was such a joke. All the parents, I should say the parents still left are seeing the light and starting to leave the program, not worth the money or time.

Florida was a debacle. I didn't pay much attention to the other groups, but in the 2022 division, outscoring opposition 99-2 and winning by 19 goals in the championship wasn't much fun. The timing, expense and competition level most of all, makes me scratch my head about what the ownership is thinking. As a consumer, I should have done more homework, but I am not in the business of club lax like these guys are. They either didn't know or didn't care that the tournament would be such a waste of time but neither is acceptable. Just a disappointing experience if you ask me, but I don't care about qualifications for other events or any of that business. If that was the end game, then I expect that this team will participate in those future events, but I know better.

There were 6 TEAMS?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

Agree 100%. This is the end of Dukes Nationals, especially with the Florida tournament that was such a joke. All the parents, I should say the parents still left are seeing the light and starting to leave the program, not worth the money or time.

Florida was a debacle. I didn't pay much attention to the other groups, but in the 2022 division, outscoring opposition 99-2 and winning by 19 goals in the championship wasn't much fun. The timing, expense and competition level most of all, makes me scratch my head about what the ownership is thinking. As a consumer, I should have done more homework, but I am not in the business of club lax like these guys are. They either didn't know or didn't care that the tournament would be such a waste of time but neither is acceptable. Just a disappointing experience if you ask me, but I don't care about qualifications for other events or any of that business. If that was the end game, then I expect that this team will participate in those future events, but I know better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were 6 TEAMS?!

That's two more than were in the 2023 bracket.

What happened to the new 2023 coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the new 2023 coach?

He didn’t make it over the travel line...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the new 2023 coach?

He didn’t make it over the travel line...

Two more mini-camps and I see him making the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What happened to the new 2023 coach?

He didn’t make it over the travel line...

or

he did not pay his 2017-2018 mini camp payment yet in FULL.

I'm an outsider that can't stop staring at the car crash. How long does this persist? Logic says not too much longer, but history says it will continue. The organization has been around forever and has not changed.

When you bring a full team of 15/16 year olds and call it Dukes 2022, you’ll get those Scores. No homework necessary. Just stop playing Johnny down 2 years and you won’t see 20-1 scoreboards. Teams were playing with 13 year olds against grown men. Notice the other Duke’s teams got rolled by every team in attendance? Don’t bother disputing that either, or I’ll simply paste each player’s Instagram account.

Why were the other teams playing 13 yr olds in the 14 yr old bracket? And I did not see any 16 yr olds at our hotel. So what is the problem?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you bring a full team of 15/16 year olds and call it Dukes 2022, you’ll get those Scores. No homework necessary. Just stop playing Johnny down 2 years and you won’t see 20-1 scoreboards. Teams were playing with 13 year olds against grown men. Notice the other Duke’s teams got rolled by every team in attendance? Don’t bother disputing that either, or I’ll simply paste each player’s Instagram account.

Are we going to ignore the fact at 2023 defensive coach was fired, or I’m sorry “steppped down” and nobody knows why. If he stepped down then why did his kids both get taken off the roster. The top 2023 defensemen was kicked along with a 2025 midfielder. DN is just a pure money grab.

And you are also probably a LI warriors parent who just wants to trash talk since you lost all of your players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are we going to ignore the fact at 2023 defensive coach was fired, or I’m sorry “steppped down” and nobody knows why. If he stepped down then why did his kids both get taken off the roster. The top 2023 defensemen was kicked along with a 2025 midfielder. DN is just a pure money grab.

People/families/team members havent ignored this situation and are talking. Its disgusting what transpired especially involving the kids and not letting them play anymore.

Having gone thru the Dukes experience first hand anyone who continues to pay this organization after heeding all the warnings deserves what they get..

AMEN!

Is the D Coord the guy the guy that helps with Freedom?

[quote=Anonymous]Are we going to ignore the fact at 2023 defensive coach was fired, or I’m sorry “steppped down” and nobody knows why. If he stepped down then why did his kids both get taken off the roster. The top 2023 defensemen was kicked along with a 2025 midfielder. DN is just a pure money grab.[/quot

Completely true, the Dukes 2023 players and families know the truth and are extremley upset with the situation. Several of the families are done with the fake “Dukes Family” line and see the people in management for who they really are and how they really treat the “family” coaches and and their families by removing top Players from the roster with no explanation at all. The Dukes organization should be extremely embarrassed by the entire situation.

Time to impeach!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Are we going to ignore the fact at 2023 defensive coach was fired, or I’m sorry “steppped down” and nobody knows why. If he stepped down then why did his kids both get taken off the roster. The top 2023 defensemen was kicked along with a 2025 midfielder. DN is just a pure money grab.[/quot

Completely true, the Dukes 2023 players and families know the truth and are extremley upset with the situation. Several of the families are done with the fake “Dukes Family” line and see the people in management for who they really are and how they really treat the “family” coaches and and their families by removing top Players from the roster with no explanation at all. The Dukes organization should be extremely embarrassed by the entire situation.

The 2023 team was destroyed by greed and arrogance. Great job G!

Brotherly Love will be announcing a National Team tryout for this Spring and Summer Season. Practices primarily at Episcopal Academy and West Chester. Seeing how as a local team they only lost to Dukes Nationals by a couple goals, without their best player at the tournament, shouldn't take much to leapfrog Dukes Nationals....Won't be fair to even compare the two coaching staffs once they announce.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brotherly Love will be announcing a National Team tryout for this Spring and Summer Season. Practices primarily at Episcopal Academy and West Chester. Seeing how as a local team they only lost to Dukes Nationals by a couple goals, without their best player at the tournament, shouldn't take much to leapfrog Dukes Nationals....Won't be fair to even compare the two coaching staffs once they announce.....

Sure sounds great! Trade one snake for another. How about you a-holes concentrate on the teams you have and develop them!

Great response G

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the D Coord the guy the guy that helps with Freedom?

If he is, then I would say it sounds like a good dose of karma found him!

Who is coaching the Brotherly Love National 2023 Team. Why wouldn't I be interested, only hear good things about their club have a couple of neighbors that play for the club and their 2023 team is excellent. Not sure why you think they are a snake but certainly sounds like you have a personal agenda there my friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is coaching the Brotherly Love National 2023 Team. Why wouldn't I be interested, only hear good things about their club have a couple of neighbors that play for the club and their 2023 team is excellent. Not sure why you think they are a snake but certainly sounds like you have a personal agenda there my friend.

No personal agenda, I just think the National Team/All Star Team idea is a bad one. It will ruin the BL 2023 team. Hold tryouts and pick the best team, why start another team? How is it going to help build the BL 2023 team when 1/2 of the team doesn't make their "National Team"? If you don't think they are good enough, why are they on the team to begin with?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is coaching the Brotherly Love National 2023 Team. Why wouldn't I be interested, only hear good things about their club have a couple of neighbors that play for the club and their 2023 team is excellent. Not sure why you think they are a snake but certainly sounds like you have a personal agenda there my friend.

They already have a AA and a B team at 2023. Many would argue that the AA (Zeus) team plays at a "Nationals" level and participates in tournaments geared towards that level of competition. This certainly makes me wonder where a National Team fits in their current model. Why create another team?

At least with Dukes Nationals, they are not competing with other Dukes teams.

3/4 of this board will probably respond with "money grab"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is coaching the Brotherly Love National 2023 Team. Why wouldn't I be interested, only hear good things about their club have a couple of neighbors that play for the club and their 2023 team is excellent. Not sure why you think they are a snake but certainly sounds like you have a personal agenda there my friend.

They already have a AA and a B team at 2023. Many would argue that the AA (Zeus) team plays at a "Nationals" level and participates in tournaments geared towards that level of competition. This certainly makes me wonder where a National Team fits in their current model. Why create another team?

At least with Dukes Nationals, they are not competing with other Dukes teams.

3/4 of this board will probably respond with "money grab"

Complete money grab!!!!

The National teams concept is so silly. There aren't tournaments geared toward National teams, so what happens? The Dukes swoop in, dominate (sometimes) these regular tournaments and other clubs get upset. The next thing you know, they are making plans to form their own National teams to compete with the Dukes. Before long everyone has a National team and that landscape is the same as the club one is today. dense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The National teams concept is so silly. There aren't tournaments geared toward National teams, so what happens? The Dukes swoop in, dominate (sometimes) these regular tournaments and other clubs get upset. The next thing you know, they are making plans to form their own National teams to compete with the Dukes. Before long everyone has a National team and that landscape is the same as the club one is today. dense.

More clubs, more tournaments, more money!

The people that put their kids on Dukes are the same people that put their kids in recruiting showcases 3 years before they can be recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is coaching the Brotherly Love National 2023 Team. Why wouldn't I be interested, only hear good things about their club have a couple of neighbors that play for the club and their 2023 team is excellent. Not sure why you think they are a snake but certainly sounds like you have a personal agenda there my friend.

They already have a AA and a B team at 2023. Many would argue that the AA (Zeus) team plays at a "Nationals" level and participates in tournaments geared towards that level of competition. This certainly makes me wonder where a National Team fits in their current model. Why create another team?

At least with Dukes Nationals, they are not competing with other Dukes teams.

3/4 of this board will probably respond with "money grab"

BL is becoming harder to recognize if you remember where it began and what it stood for. When the mentality goes from let's compete and have fun to let's be elite and compete (fun take a back seat), the culture changes and championship success follows. But, at what cost? My personal experience is that the fun factor actually mattered to my 13 year old, a player who stopped having fun and got board chasing T's. Hopefully he'll return to the sport again, but for now, he's testing the waters in other sports. Wondering if those sports have forums too. Good luck BL.

Not every parent(BTW)...every team has "those parents" who think their kid is going to a D1 school full ride at age 12

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Are we going to ignore the fact at 2023 defensive coach was fired, or I’m sorry “steppped down” and nobody knows why. If he stepped down then why did his kids both get taken off the roster. The top 2023 defensemen was kicked along with a 2025 midfielder. DN is just a pure money grab.[/quot

Completely true, the Dukes 2023 players and families know the truth and are extremley upset with the situation. Several of the families are done with the fake “Dukes Family” line and see the people in management for who they really are and how they really treat the “family” coaches and and their families by removing top Players from the roster with no explanation at all. The Dukes organization should be extremely embarrassed by the entire situation.

The 2023 team was destroyed by greed and arrogance. Great job G!

Exactly, it's time has passed and the players and families know it. It's just a matter of time before the team is out of business, due to no interest in the program anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are we going to ignore the fact at 2023 defensive coach was fired, or I’m sorry “steppped down” and nobody knows why. If he stepped down then why did his kids both get taken off the roster. The top 2023 defensemen was kicked along with a 2025 midfielder. DN is just a pure money grab.[/quot

Completely true, the Dukes 2023 players and families know the truth and are extremley upset with the situation. Several of the families are done with the fake “Dukes Family” line and see the people in management for who they really are and how they really treat the “family” coaches and and their families by removing top Players from the roster with no explanation at all. The Dukes organization should be extremely embarrassed by the entire situation.

The 2023 team was destroyed by greed and arrogance. Great job G!

Exactly, it's time has passed and the players and families know it. It's just a matter of time before the team is out of business, due to no interest in the program anymore.

More like it's just a matter of us getting the rest of the stuff we f*ing paid for!! That's the only thing holding most of us on to this garbage fire! Unbelievable that somebody's ego/greed could ruin such a special team.

My son and some of his friends went to a dukes mini-camp/tryout a few months back. Not 2023 mind you. We quickly saw what it was all about, every kid was "invited" and none of us accepted. Buyer beware.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are we going to ignore the fact at 2023 defensive coach was fired, or I’m sorry “steppped down” and nobody knows why. If he stepped down then why did his kids both get taken off the roster. The top 2023 defensemen was kicked along with a 2025 midfielder. DN is just a pure money grab.[/quot

Completely true, the Dukes 2023 players and families know the truth and are extremley upset with the situation. Several of the families are done with the fake “Dukes Family” line and see the people in management for who they really are and how they really treat the “family” coaches and and their families by removing top Players from the roster with no explanation at all. The Dukes organization should be extremely embarrassed by the entire situation.

The 2023 team was destroyed by greed and arrogance. Great job G!

Exactly, it's time has passed and the players and families know it. It's just a matter of time before the team is out of business, due to no interest in the program anymore.

More like it's just a matter of us getting the rest of the stuff we f*ing paid for!! That's the only thing holding most of us on to this garbage fire! Unbelievable that somebody's ego/greed could ruin such a special team.

Team wasn’t that special...22’s yes special, 23’s not so much. If you put a “all star” team together you should blow everyone out. The biggest killer was having Dad coaches whose kids had no business being on the team

Clearly you know nothing about this team. Changing the coaching was the downfall, and everyone knows G's kid can't play.

We all know they weren’t great if 22 is the bar.... and not sure they are only talking about G’s kid.

Other than maybe a helmet or gloves why would you want anything bearing the Dukes organization, my kids dukes apparel will never see the light of day, prob will make good oil changing rags..

I have been reading this forum and what I don't understand is that the only team in discussion is the 2023s, why? Dukes have other teams...are the other teams solid? Do the other teams have all the equipment? No coaching issues?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading this forum and what I don't understand is that the only team in discussion is the 2023s, why? Dukes have other teams...are the other teams solid? Do the other teams have all the equipment? No coaching issues?

There is nothing to discuss with the other teams, very few kids have stuck around for more than a mini camp or two. 22 and 23 are the only good teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading this forum and what I don't understand is that the only team in discussion is the 2023s, why? Dukes have other teams...are the other teams solid? Do the other teams have all the equipment? No coaching issues?

I am not sure what the issues are either. My son plays for the current 2023 Team and he loves it and enjoys the competition he goes up against at each mini-camp and with every tournament. People come on these forums to bash things in order to make themselves feel better and create controversy. If you don't like the Dukes Model thank you for your opinion now move on.

My son has had nothing but positive experiences with the dukes 2022 team ,Recently he hasnt been able to play with dukes just because of travel and conflicts with his hometown club .G and the rest of the coaches are great,next chance he has with no conflicts would love to play with the dukes again Thanks G

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading this forum and what I don't understand is that the only team in discussion is the 2023s, why? Dukes have other teams...are the other teams solid? Do the other teams have all the equipment? No coaching issues?

I am not sure what the issues are either. My son plays for the current 2023 Team and he loves it and enjoys the competition he goes up against at each mini-camp and with every tournament. People come on these forums to bash things in order to make themselves feel better and create controversy. If you don't like the Dukes Model thank you for your opinion now move on.

Thanks for the input G.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading this forum and what I don't understand is that the only team in discussion is the 2023s, why? Dukes have other teams...are the other teams solid? Do the other teams have all the equipment? No coaching issues?

I am not sure what the issues are either. My son plays for the current 2023 Team and he loves it and enjoys the competition he goes up against at each mini-camp and with every tournament. People come on these forums to bash things in order to make themselves feel better and create controversy. If you don't like the Dukes Model thank you for your opinion now move on.

Thanks for the input G.

LOL again not even close my friend and I think if you spoke to each parent who has a kid on the 2023 team you would hear the same things I stated earlier. Wouldn't it be great if you had to sign in to an account to post on this forum!!?? All the hate and criticism would dissipate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading this forum and what I don't understand is that the only team in discussion is the 2023s, why? Dukes have other teams...are the other teams solid? Do the other teams have all the equipment? No coaching issues?

I am not sure what the issues are either. My son plays for the current 2023 Team and he loves it and enjoys the competition he goes up against at each mini-camp and with every tournament. People come on these forums to bash things in order to make themselves feel better and create controversy. If you don't like the Dukes Model thank you for your opinion now move on.

Thanks for the input G.

LOL again not even close my friend and I think if you spoke to each parent who has a kid on the 2023 team you would hear the same things I stated earlier. Wouldn't it be great if you had to sign in to an account to post on this forum!!?? All the hate and criticism would dissipate.

So sign in G!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading this forum and what I don't understand is that the only team in discussion is the 2023s, why? Dukes have other teams...are the other teams solid? Do the other teams have all the equipment? No coaching issues?

There is nothing to discuss with the other teams, very few kids have stuck around for more than a mini camp or two. 22 and 23 are the only good teams.

Have seen Dukes 2025 play and they are very competitive also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been reading this forum and what I don't understand is that the only team in discussion is the 2023s, why? Dukes have other teams...are the other teams solid? Do the other teams have all the equipment? No coaching issues?

I am not sure what the issues are either. My son plays for the current 2023 Team and he loves it and enjoys the competition he goes up against at each mini-camp and with every tournament. People come on these forums to bash things in order to make themselves feel better and create controversy. If you don't like the Dukes Model thank you for your opinion now move on.

Thanks for the input G.

LOL again not even close my friend and I think if you spoke to each parent who has a kid on the 2023 team you would hear the same things I stated earlier. Wouldn't it be great if you had to sign in to an account to post on this forum!!?? All the hate and criticism would dissipate.

Wrong, most of the parents with kids on the 2023 team who have been on the team for a while would disagree with you and say the program has changed in a drastic (bad way) the last year, changes that include terrible to no communication, increased fees (registration and mini camps) with no added value with either, coaching (additions and deletions) and team changes (top players removed) with no communication as to why the changes took place. The program is a great idea at the core if it was run properly, unfortunately it is very poorly run and is showing the beginning of the end for the team.

agree 100% with this post, the Dukes Nationals is a very poorly run organization and continues to get worse as time goes on.
it is unfortunate because it could have been a good thing.....

This is going to get intresting.

Just received brochure and email invite forwarded to me from my buddy for Brotherly Love National Team & their upcomingtryouts. The coaching staff is P. Deniken, Bates, Twohig & Drew Adams. That coachng line up is ridiculious. We went to a Dukes Mini Camp and ended up committing to there National Team but with this line up of coaches...just ridiculous. My kid is good but this could be a tough team to make.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to get intresting.

Just received brochure and email invite forwarded to me from my buddy for Brotherly Love National Team & their upcomingtryouts. The coaching staff is P. Deniken, Bates, Twohig & Drew Adams. That coachng line up is ridiculious. We went to a Dukes Mini Camp and ended up committing to there National Team but with this line up of coaches...just ridiculous. My kid is good but this could be a tough team to make.

More interesting than some may know considering Drew is (was?) the Goalies Director for Duke's Nationals. . .

You are right just looked at the brochure on their site. Not a fan of Brotherly Love but have to give them props for getting Bates that is a big deal. I actually think that Twohig is the best coach on the team. There is nobody in this area that can coach defense better than him and having gone to school with him he was a phenomenal pole one of the best in this area. Don’t let the beer belly fool you he was the real deal. Father Time catches all of us inevitable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More interesting than some may know considering Drew is (was?) the Goalies Director for Duke's Nationals. . .

Drew goalie coaches for a lot of teams, Rising Sons, Dukes and others. After all, MLL doesn't exactly pay the bills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to get intresting.

Just received brochure and email invite forwarded to me from my buddy for Brotherly Love National Team & their upcomingtryouts. The coaching staff is P. Deniken, Bates, Twohig & Drew Adams. That coachng line up is ridiculious. We went to a Dukes Mini Camp and ended up committing to there National Team but with this line up of coaches...just ridiculous. My kid is good but this could be a tough team to make.

More interesting than some may know considering Drew is (was?) the Goalies Director for Duke's Nationals. . .

Looks good, later Dukes Nationals..Hello Brotherly Love National Team!!! I will spread the word.

Why just 2024 seems odd. They should at least do 2023 as well. Their 2023 team is even better than their 2024 team would be a good starting core group, just need to add 4-5 top notch players to their 2023 AA Team and all done.

How could anyone other than philly kids make it on a Friday night?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why just 2024 seems odd. They should at least do 2023 as well. Their 2023 team is even better than their 2024 team would be a good starting core group, just need to add 4-5 top notch players to their 2023 AA Team and all done.

JN’s kid is a 2024, sound familiar? Just stop with National Team BS its just another attempt to steal other clubs kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More interesting than some may know considering Drew is (was?) the Goalies Director for Duke's Nationals. . .

Drew goalie coaches for a lot of teams, Rising Sons, Dukes and others. After all, MLL doesn't exactly pay the bills.

I get that--but given that I thought DN and BL were mortal enemies, I can't see G handling it real well if Adams is helping them out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to get intresting.

Just received brochure and email invite forwarded to me from my buddy for Brotherly Love National Team & their upcomingtryouts. The coaching staff is P. Deniken, Bates, Twohig & Drew Adams. That coachng line up is ridiculious. We went to a Dukes Mini Camp and ended up committing to there National Team but with this line up of coaches...just ridiculous. My kid is good but this could be a tough team to make.

More interesting than some may know considering Drew is (was?) the Goalies Director for Duke's Nationals. . .

Looks good, later Dukes Nationals..Hello Brotherly Love National Team!!! I will spread the word.

Translation: I'm thrilled to have found a post that I can quote to advertise with a highly transparent response.

Hmmm...Best not use abbreviations "DN, BL", not as searchable.

I just threw up in my mouth. Lemmings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why just 2024 seems odd. They should at least do 2023 as well. Their 2023 team is even better than their 2024 team would be a good starting core group, just need to add 4-5 top notch players to their 2023 AA Team and all done.

JN’s kid is a 2024, sound familiar? Just stop with National Team BS its just another attempt to steal other clubs kids.

My kid plays with his kid and only have positive things to say about him. Excellent player and better kid.Have gotten to know JN, quiet guy maybe too reserved for some but smart, good business man. Genius stroke to remove dad coaches on this team. Immediately makes the other local teams stocked with dad's on the sidelines look bad. I know kids that play on both Freedom and Roughriders. Both good teams but the daddy ball is what is killing them and the sad thing is that they are oblivious to it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I get that--but given that I thought DN and BL were mortal enemies, I can't see G handling it real well if Adams is helping them out.

Guy has to make a living. Pretty sure everyone in the Dukes organization knows that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why just 2024 seems odd. They should at least do 2023 as well. Their 2023 team is even better than their 2024 team would be a good starting core group, just need to add 4-5 top notch players to their 2023 AA Team and all done.

JN’s kid is a 2024, sound familiar? Just stop with National Team BS its just another attempt to steal other clubs kids.

My kid plays with his kid and only have positive things to say about him. Excellent player and better kid.Have gotten to know JN, quiet guy maybe too reserved for some but smart, good business man. Genius stroke to remove dad coaches on this team. Immediately makes the other local teams stocked with dad's on the sidelines look bad. I know kids that play on both Freedom and Roughriders. Both good teams but the daddy ball is what is killing them and the sad thing is that they are oblivious to it.

It doesn't take a genius to remove dad coaches. But, maybe there are benefits to having dads that other teams value over ultimate dominance? I doubt they are as oblivious as you say. Maybe they have different values? Sidelines stocked with dads might sound pretty good to some kids. Or, would they trade the experience with dad for a better chance (not guarantee) of lacrosse success. I'd like to see the research on that.

When you all say "daddy ball" just wondering what you think of a coach whose kid plays defense. Is there any complaints about that. Especially if the kid is good. No ball hogging there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why just 2024 seems odd. They should at least do 2023 as well. Their 2023 team is even better than their 2024 team would be a good starting core group, just need to add 4-5 top notch players to their 2023 AA Team and all done.

JN’s kid is a 2024, sound familiar? Just stop with National Team BS its just another attempt to steal other clubs kids.

My kid plays with his kid and only have positive things to say about him. Excellent player and better kid.Have gotten to know JN, quiet guy maybe too reserved for some but smart, good business man. Genius stroke to remove dad coaches on this team. Immediately makes the other local teams stocked with dad's on the sidelines look bad. I know kids that play on both Freedom and Roughriders. Both good teams but the daddy ball is what is killing them and the sad thing is that they are oblivious to it.

It doesn't take a genius to remove dad coaches. But, maybe there are benefits to having dads that other teams value over ultimate dominance? I doubt they are as oblivious as you say. Maybe they have different values? Sidelines stocked with dads might sound pretty good to some kids. Or, would they trade the experience with dad for a better chance (not guarantee) of lacrosse success. I'd like to see the research on that.

Not all dads are bad apples. My experience with 3 boys playing all sorts of sports is that the dad coaches are almost always more dependable, more invested and more longevity. You can't really pay the non-dad coaches enough for their time to make them as vested in the success of a team as a dad would be. With a job, family and a life outside of lacrosse, you couldn't pay me enough to put in the time and deal with the aggravation required to be a successful coach of an elite club team, not that I am qualified to do so. My experience is that the younger coaches, regardless of their resume, move on rather quickly and without much notice.

Your clueless dude and I am guessing a dad coach. The only thing I see when a dad is on the sideline.

1. Their kid gets a preferred position
2. Their kid gets more playing time or in some cases really doesn't come off the field
3. Father and son relationship that is not healthy.

I coached my kid when he was younger and the best thing for our relationship and his game was when I stepped away. If your still coaching your kid in middle school it is because you are giving him preferential treatment to help him or living vicariously through him. Your in denial daddy ball is a major complaint for all of these teams.Parents don't necessarily say it on the sidelines but don't kid yourself they are behind closed doors over a beer. Put down the rose colored glasses. On my team the two dad coaches kids play attack and they have no business playing there let alone for the whole game. We lost a kid on our B Team that was clearly better than the two dad's kids playing attack on the A Team and that kid then goes and makes the AA Team for the other club. How do you go from B Team to another clubs AA Team.

Great question. I have three boys playing youth lacrosse and I don't know of a single dad who has placed his kid on defense, not saying it hasn't happened. Guesstimating 75% of the time it is attack and 25% midfield. It is in all sports. For my kids football team every single kid that is playing quarterback has a dad that is either assistant coach or head coach. The rest of the backfield is the other dad's kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your clueless dude and I am guessing a dad coach. The only thing I see when a dad is on the sideline.

1. Their kid gets a preferred position
2. Their kid gets more playing time or in some cases really doesn't come off the field
3. Father and son relationship that is not healthy.

I coached my kid when he was younger and the best thing for our relationship and his game was when I stepped away. If your still coaching your kid in middle school it is because you are giving him preferential treatment to help him or living vicariously through him. Your in denial daddy ball is a major complaint for all of these teams.Parents don't necessarily say it on the sidelines but don't kid yourself they are behind closed doors over a beer. Put down the rose colored glasses. On my team the two dad coaches kids play attack and they have no business playing there let alone for the whole game. We lost a kid on our B Team that was clearly better than the two dad's kids playing attack on the A Team and that kid then goes and makes the AA Team for the other club. How do you go from B Team to another clubs AA Team.

Sorry you are a part of such a horrible club. I take all of these evaluations with a grain of salt. Yes, sometimes the coach's kid is undeserving and sometimes it's just a convenient excuse for other parents whose kids aren't quite good enough. If you aren't happy, you should move along and stop talking crap over beers behind people's backs.

Nothing horrible about my club just stating an observation. Unlike most of the people on this board I don't have any delusional notion that my kid is the next Paul Rabil. He has fun he isn't in front of the X Box i am good with that. I didn't say "I" was talking crap I said that Parents are talking crap and if you haven't heard those comments you need to get out from under the rock you live in. Your impassioned and highly off the mark response confirms...daddy coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why just 2024 seems odd. They should at least do 2023 as well. Their 2023 team is even better than their 2024 team would be a good starting core group, just need to add 4-5 top notch players to their 2023 AA Team and all done.

JN’s kid is a 2024, sound familiar? Just stop with National Team BS its just another attempt to steal other clubs kids.

My kid plays with his kid and only have positive things to say about him. Excellent player and better kid.Have gotten to know JN, quiet guy maybe too reserved for some but smart, good business man. Genius stroke to remove dad coaches on this team. Immediately makes the other local teams stocked with dad's on the sidelines look bad. I know kids that play on both Freedom and Roughriders. Both good teams but the daddy ball is what is killing them and the sad thing is that they are oblivious to it.

It doesn't take a genius to remove dad coaches. But, maybe there are benefits to having dads that other teams value over ultimate dominance? I doubt they are as oblivious as you say. Maybe they have different values? Sidelines stocked with dads might sound pretty good to some kids. Or, would they trade the experience with dad for a better chance (not guarantee) of lacrosse success. I'd like to see the research on that.

Not all dads are bad apples. My experience with 3 boys playing all sorts of sports is that the dad coaches are almost always more dependable, more invested and more longevity. You can't really pay the non-dad coaches enough for their time to make them as vested in the success of a team as a dad would be. With a job, family and a life outside of lacrosse, you couldn't pay me enough to put in the time and deal with the aggravation required to be a successful coach of an elite club team, not that I am qualified to do so. My experience is that the younger coaches, regardless of their resume, move on rather quickly and without much notice.

Agree with all of your points; however, the dads not being on the sideline can be done and can be done well. The following clubs all have a non dad group of coaches and are excellent. Mesa, HHH, NXT to name just a few. There are pros and cons to both sides and think dad's roles are valuable at the elementary school level but middle school and beyond....give it a break. Daddy ball is unfortunately the one down side and it is a big one.

Take a look at Dukes HC Danowski coaching the USA Team. When he was't the coach his son didn't make the team and now that he is the HC.....look at who made the final cut over a ton of better attack men.

There are opportunities for dads to coach, but maybe elite youth lacrosse isn't that place for most of them for many reasons hashed and rehashed here.

I think the hyper-competitive nature of youth lacrosse makes for a very slippery slope for any dad no matter how good a coach he is. Too little room for error to please anyone.

With that said, I think the hyper-competitive nature of youth lacrosse has created an environment that would disappoint its creators.

Youth lacrosse is becoming a black hole, swallowing up the time and money that used to be devoted to so many other enriching activities for our young men. As parents, more often than not we succumb to the pressure, adjust our schedules and tap into our bank accounts.

I wish I felt better about this, but these days I'm really questioning who we are doing this for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why just 2024 seems odd. They should at least do 2023 as well. Their 2023 team is even better than their 2024 team would be a good starting core group, just need to add 4-5 top notch players to their 2023 AA Team and all done.

JN’s kid is a 2024, sound familiar? Just stop with National Team BS its just another attempt to steal other clubs kids.

Not sure who JN is and if he is stealing your kids. Not sure they are even your kids. Seems to me that at the end of every year they are a free agent, since they are ultimately a customer. If they don't like what's on your menu they can go to a different restaurant. You don't have to be Jeff Bezos to understand that National, All Star, Regional All Star Teams are the next generation elite team. You have Florida Alliance, ADVNC, True, and Dukes just to name a few. Seems like a good idea to get out in front of it before it runs your over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why just 2024 seems odd. They should at least do 2023 as well. Their 2023 team is even better than their 2024 team would be a good starting core group, just need to add 4-5 top notch players to their 2023 AA Team and all done.

JN’s kid is a 2024, sound familiar? Just stop with National Team BS its just another attempt to steal other clubs kids.

Not sure who JN is and if he is stealing your kids. Not sure they are even your kids. Seems to me that at the end of every year they are a free agent, since they are ultimately a customer. If they don't like what's on your menu they can go to a different restaurant. You don't have to be Jeff Bezos to understand that National, All Star, Regional All Star Teams are the next generation elite team. You have Florida Alliance, ADVNC, True, and Dukes just to name a few. Seems like a good idea to get out in front of it before it runs your over.

"Free agent." That's the problem. No longer a game, but rather a business that serves the business more than its players who don't get paid, but pay to play. Remember who these free agents are and the effect peer and, unfortunately, parental pressure has on their decisions. It's no coincidence that the more elite a team is the more profitable it is as well. When you start comparing youth sports to leading international corporations, take a minute or two to consider the irony.

Debbie Downer, get off the cliff. I think he was using the term "free agent" as a reference point to mean that players and families have a choice. I agree with him every year parents have a choice and do not "belong" to any team or club. Yet a lot of these clubs believe that the players belong to their club. Nobody is suggesting that they get paid, you need to get off the pulpit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Debbie Downer, get off the cliff. I think he was using the term "free agent" as a reference point to mean that players and families have a choice. I agree with him every year parents have a choice and do not "belong" to any team or club. Yet a lot of these clubs believe that the players belong to their club. Nobody is suggesting that they get paid, you need to get off the pulpit.

Said the parent who doesn't get the fact that: son won't likely warm the bench on a D1 team let alone start, but thinks the added pressure, sacrifice, and expense, time commitment etc. of elite youth lacrosse is worth it.

Bury your head and enjoy living vicariously through the next tourney win. You're obsessed and your kid knows it. You missed the point re. pay. Not on the cliff. Just feel bad for your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Debbie Downer, get off the cliff. I think he was using the term "free agent" as a reference point to mean that players and families have a choice. I agree with him every year parents have a choice and do not "belong" to any team or club. Yet a lot of these clubs believe that the players belong to their club. Nobody is suggesting that they get paid, you need to get off the pulpit.

Agree.. I think we are all missing what national teams offer. Out of the 50+ clubs, maybe 10 to 12 team are really good. Most "A" teams have 2 to 5 "AA" players. National teams allow these players to play with players at the level. Dukes started it all but other clubs are taking it to the next level.

Dukes, the AOL of lacrosse, great start but poor management.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Debbie Downer, get off the cliff. I think he was using the term "free agent" as a reference point to mean that players and families have a choice. I agree with him every year parents have a choice and do not "belong" to any team or club. Yet a lot of these clubs believe that the players belong to their club. Nobody is suggesting that they get paid, you need to get off the pulpit.

Agree.. I think we are all missing what national teams offer. Out of the 50+ clubs, maybe 10 to 12 team are really good. Most "A" teams have 2 to 5 "AA" players. National teams allow these players to play with players at the level. Dukes started it all but other clubs are taking it to the next level.

Dukes, the AOL of lacrosse, great start but poor management.

You are incredible. Less than 3% of HS lacrosse players go on to join a D1 team. You're kidding yourself if you believe the business of youth lacrosse isn't selling a dream that will come true for very, very, very few. The concept is that your kid is going to gain skills that will be applied to... what? To have more fun than the kid playing on the same size field with the same size goals, but without national teams and all the craziness around them? Why do you want your kid to do this? To have more fun? Because your next Rabil deserves this level of competition? Because you are developing a leader, a winner? Give me a break. You don't need a national team or even an AA team to do that. And, yes, my son is legitimately AA level, and maybe even national level. But, we won't push him if he's not enthusiastic about it. You probably would and then rationalize why it's best. You're likely wrong. Your kid will never look back and say he's glad he invested so much of his youth playing lacrosse while other things fell to the wayside. He'll never say that making the sacrifices were worth it. Unless, and this applies to a very select few, he takes the sport to college, has the success he did as a kid, and uses it to his advantage upon graduating. Wake up. Have a talk with your kid about what he really wants to do in his youth. If everybody on this thread had that talk, somebody would be lying if everyone said that their kid buys into all of this. Is that someone you by any chance? It's someone here. Or, am I the only one talking the ugly truth that nobody else can face?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree.. I think we are all missing what national teams offer. Out of the 50+ clubs, maybe 10 to 12 team are really good. Most "A" teams have 2 to 5 "AA" players. National teams allow these players to play with players at the level. Dukes started it all but other clubs are taking it to the next level.

Dukes, the AOL of lacrosse, great start but poor management.

100% agree. The whole point of the "national team" model (which is really just an all-star team that doesn't have an regional location for the players themselves) is to try to give the kids who have really developed as high quality/talent players an experience where they have similar caliber players around them and play against teams of the same level and challenge for the players.

Regarding Dukes, this whole focus seems to have been lost in the pursuit of the almighty dollar for some. The quality of players invited to join has become drastically watered down in order to bring in more dollars. And the quality of tournaments entered has also been watered down because tournament fees can be significantly higher (more profitable) than the once a month minicamps are. Even when the cost of those continues to go up. It's all just so disappointing that something that was so good not too long ago has declined so much.

More like Pukes Lax.... total disappointment

I am not a big fan of the national team model, but I can understand why people are interested in taking part. It seems that most of the complaints about Dukes are related to management, particularly player priority, as opposed to the national team concept. As more clubs get involved and create competition, it is an opportunity for the model to improve for the benefit of the players. As it stands right now, if you are not happy with your regular club, you can move on, not so much with the national teams.

The national team concept is to provide better competition for the elite players who are not developing on their AA teams? Not a competitive environment at the AA level? It'll be interesting to see how things get distilled even further when the national team fails to provide the ultimate experience. International teams, home schooled world traveling players. National becomes A national and B national. Suckers.

Isn't that basically how soccer works?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't that basically how soccer works?

I'm not sure. What's the point of your question? Soccer does it like that so therefore it is good? Soccer does it like that and it has hurt the sport? What say you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Debbie Downer, get off the cliff. I think he was using the term "free agent" as a reference point to mean that players and families have a choice. I agree with him every year parents have a choice and do not "belong" to any team or club. Yet a lot of these clubs believe that the players belong to their club. Nobody is suggesting that they get paid, you need to get off the pulpit.

Agree.. I think we are all missing what national teams offer. Out of the 50+ clubs, maybe 10 to 12 team are really good. Most "A" teams have 2 to 5 "AA" players. National teams allow these players to play with players at the level. Dukes started it all but other clubs are taking it to the next level.

Dukes, the AOL of lacrosse, great start but poor management.

You are incredible. Less than 3% of HS lacrosse players go on to join a D1 team. You're kidding yourself if you believe the business of youth lacrosse isn't selling a dream that will come true for very, very, very few. The concept is that your kid is going to gain skills that will be applied to... what? To have more fun than the kid playing on the same size field with the same size goals, but without national teams and all the craziness around them? Why do you want your kid to do this? To have more fun? Because your next Rabil deserves this level of competition? Because you are developing a leader, a winner? Give me a break. You don't need a national team or even an AA team to do that. And, yes, my son is legitimately AA level, and maybe even national level. But, we won't push him if he's not enthusiastic about it. You probably would and then rationalize why it's best. You're likely wrong. Your kid will never look back and say he's glad he invested so much of his youth playing lacrosse while other things fell to the wayside. He'll never say that making the sacrifices were worth it. Unless, and this applies to a very select few, he takes the sport to college, has the success he did as a kid, and uses it to his advantage upon graduating. Wake up. Have a talk with your kid about what he really wants to do in his youth. If everybody on this thread had that talk, somebody would be lying if everyone said that their kid buys into all of this. Is that someone you by any chance? It's someone here. Or, am I the only one talking the ugly truth that nobody else can face?

Spot on. Kids play too many games as it is.

Instead of pushing back, we parents enable the ever growing, year round commitment "required". That's if we want to be responsible and give our kids the best chance for success. Give me a break.

Has anybody taken into account the kids' feelings in this? I've watched my son at tournaments. He absolutely loves the kids he plays with, enjoys travelling to different places and most of the stuff that comes along with playing on an elite team. As it turns out, there are actual parents whose children compete at a high level who care about their children and their well being. And I know this doesn't fit your narrative of overbearing parents living their dreams out through their children, but my spouse and I actually see our son having a great experience and appreciate the opportunity he has.

Any chance you are projecting YOUR feelings onto other people (to include the actual participants) to further the point you're trying to make?

Agreed.

Have sons - all played/playing AA club. Certainly a big commitment but our entire family really enjoys the experience. May not be for very family but many do enjoy the journey and if they happen to play in college that is great as well.

You, my friend, are a shill. 99% of the people on here argue your exact point. The problem is the fact that fewer than 99% of the kids feel the way you say they do. Rationalize all you want. For those kids who do feel as you described, great, sign them up. The others, and there are many, serve your interests, not theirs. What does your lacrosse schedule look like?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed.

Have sons - all played/playing AA club. Certainly a big commitment but our entire family really enjoys the experience. May not be for very family but many do enjoy the journey and if they happen to play in college that is great as well.

Ok, When is enough lacrosse enough? How many games, practices are appropriate for our kids? Is there a tipping point? Too much of a good thing, or never can have too much? Of course all these boys are well rounded multi-sport athletes as well. What time do they close their school books at night after practicing or playing a game, or traveling to and fro? We keep piling more and more responsibility on kids. We ask them to make commitments to tournaments and forgo vacations (you know this happens), and everyone on here is ok with lacrosse taking bigger and bigger chunks of time. Really? And just because your kid enjoys something, that doesn't mean you can't step in as a responsible parent and say "enough".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, When is enough lacrosse enough? How many games, practices are appropriate for our kids? Is there a tipping point? Too much of a good thing, or never can have too much? Of course all these boys are well rounded multi-sport athletes as well. What time do they close their school books at night after practicing or playing a game, or traveling to and fro? We keep piling more and more responsibility on kids. We ask them to make commitments to tournaments and forgo vacations (you know this happens), and everyone on here is ok with lacrosse taking bigger and bigger chunks of time. Really? And just because your kid enjoys something, that doesn't mean you can't step in as a responsible parent and say "enough".

Well this is going to sound crazy, but we actually speak with our son and make it clear that he's allowed to say if he feels like it's too much. Again, I know the whole parent/child communication thing doesn't fit what you want to frame, but I'm sorry to say that it's what we do. If you want to try to say "Oh yeah, riiiiiight!" then maybe you should take a look at yourself or whoever it is that you have such a problem with and to work on communications skills.

Regarding when "enough is enough/too much", it's a valid question for certain. And I would assume it's one that school (probably more so high school than middle school) athletes need to address. But this isn't new. Nor does it have anything to do with the sport of lacrosse and/or club lacrosse. I think that having your child learn to balance multiple challenges (school work, sports, friends, etc.) is a very critical life skill that parents should be working very hard to teach. Because, as it turns out, life only gets harder. And I feel like the coddling that so many parents are doing with their children right now is only serving to put more and more maladjusted "adults" into the world.

[/steps off of soapbox]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't that basically how soccer works?

I'm not sure. What's the point of your question? Soccer does it like that so therefore it is good? Soccer does it like that and it has hurt the sport? What say you?

I was merely pointing that this is a somewhat tried and true model. I am sure in soccer there are some that would be advocates and some naysayers. Elite Gymnastics is similar as well, conversely I don't know any elite football player that doesn't play high school football. Different sports have different development structures. Just pointing out that lacrosse is relatively new in the whole elite category.

I have three kids and as a family we have fun with Club Lacrosse. We take family vacations in late July or August along with the majority of this country. Luckily our club makes a point of ceasing all activity by 2nd week of July. My kid loves the camaraderie, the competition, and the game.

Sure there are days he doesn't want to go to practice or wants to sleep in but I agree with the guys point above. Life is hard and the real world isn't going to do you favors. There is something to be learned with having a goal, busting your hump for it, and challenging yourself. My kid that plays lacrosse is a great student, plays three sports well, and for the most part is a normal 12 year old. Sure he is on an emotional rollercoaster, has all kinds of insecurities, struggles sometimes to juggle all his activities, but agree again with the guy above this is when you learn how to manage work, marriage, kids, life in general. You don't all of a sudden learn as an adult.

Great Dukes Nationals has done it again, set up a scrimmage for Sunday morning in North Carolina...You do know the Eagles are in the Super Bowl right??? How are we supposed to get home in time to see the game?? Great scheduling, always looking out for the families!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great Dukes Nationals has done it again, set up a scrimmage for Sunday morning in North Carolina...You do know the Eagles are in the Super Bowl right??? How are we supposed to get home in time to see the game?? Great scheduling, always looking out for the families!!!!!

Yeah they did on purpose knowing the Eagles were playing this Sunday!!! LOL....how about just not going to the mini-camp or play in the games? Sounds like a pretty simple answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how about just not going to the mini-camp or play in the games? Sounds like a pretty simple answer.

Yeah, what he's saying is that you've already paid so he couldn't care less about the rest of it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great Dukes Nationals has done it again, set up a scrimmage for Sunday morning in North Carolina...You do know the Eagles are in the Super Bowl right??? How are we supposed to get home in time to see the game?? Great scheduling, always looking out for the families!!!!!

Yeah they did on purpose knowing the Eagles were playing this Sunday!!! LOL....how about just not going to the mini-camp or play in the games? Sounds like a pretty simple answer.

Sorry, I forgot we just found out that the Eagles got into the Super Bowl TODAY when we got the schedule for the coming weekend ...They could easily have not schedule a game for Sunday morning Genius...by the way we are skipping the entire weekend, keep my donation it will be the last one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great Dukes Nationals has done it again, set up a scrimmage for Sunday morning in North Carolina...You do know the Eagles are in the Super Bowl right??? How are we supposed to get home in time to see the game?? Great scheduling, always looking out for the families!!!!!

Everyone has known about the scrimmages for at least a month. And honestly, there is always a game or scrimmage on Sunday after a mini camp so no surprise there. You can always skip the scrimmages. though. Those cost extra anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great Dukes Nationals has done it again, set up a scrimmage for Sunday morning in North Carolina...You do know the Eagles are in the Super Bowl right??? How are we supposed to get home in time to see the game?? Great scheduling, always looking out for the families!!!!!

Yeah they did on purpose knowing the Eagles were playing this Sunday!!! LOL....how about just not going to the mini-camp or play in the games? Sounds like a pretty simple answer.

Sorry, I forgot we just found out that the Eagles got into the Super Bowl TODAY when we got the schedule for the coming weekend ...They could easily have not schedule a game for Sunday morning Genius...by the way we are skipping the entire weekend, keep my donation it will be the last one.

Hey stunad these games have been known about for weeks prior to the weekend; the times were the only thing that was the unknown. But you sound like a typical IGGLES fan; ignorant and misinformed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great Dukes Nationals has done it again, set up a scrimmage for Sunday morning in North Carolina...You do know the Eagles are in the Super Bowl right??? How are we supposed to get home in time to see the game?? Great scheduling, always looking out for the families!!!!!

Yeah they did on purpose knowing the Eagles were playing this Sunday!!! LOL....how about just not going to the mini-camp or play in the games? Sounds like a pretty simple answer.

Sorry, I forgot we just found out that the Eagles got into the Super Bowl TODAY when we got the schedule for the coming weekend ...They could easily have not schedule a game for Sunday morning Genius...by the way we are skipping the entire weekend, keep my donation it will be the last one.

Hey stunad these games have been known about for weeks prior to the weekend; the times were the only thing that was the unknown. But you sound like a typical IGGLES fan; ignorant and misinformed.

OK Genius, you just made my point, they new the schedule and that the Eagles were in the Super Bowl, cancel the scrimmage on Sunday and let people go home.. not to hard to figure out and move back to whatever hole in the wall town or state you came from if you are not an Eagles fan..Let's hear it E-A-G-L-E-S.

Or just don’t go if you don’t want to. Who’s forcing you?

My kid plays for Dukes Nationals 2024 and we went to the Brotherly National Tryouts. I am actually fine with Dukes Nationals and seem to be i the minority. I do have to say this was my first experience with Brotherly Love other than playing against them. It was the best run tryouts I have attended. iPads to register, super organized, practice plan and details sent out before hand and the actual tryout had a ton of touches. Kids didn’t have more than 5 minutes of downtime over 2 hours. Ton of talent in the room at least 60 kids were there on a Friday Night. I was skeptical if Bates would be there but he was for the whole time. The guy running it did say they weren’t sure of there model so not sure who is going to do it but if the top players there join that team will be awesome. At least 5 kids that played for Dukes at some point were there.

Agreed. I attended as well very well done tryouts. Tons of talent. Not sure I understand the business model but the team will be tremendous if the top kids accept which is not guaranteed. A lot of kids go to tryouts been to plenty ourselves and don't accept an invitation. If Bates and Episcopal are involved which it looks like they are this is a game changer for Philly Lacrosse. Bates and Brotherly Love will be a hard combination to beat. Also, would position Episcopal to get the best kids for their High School Team because the best kids at 2024 were all there and the only thing I saw Bates doing was taking notes. He was writing, "need to talk to this kids parents about attending EA"

It would be nice if brotherly love held these tryouts on a Saturday or Sunday as this would help attract kids from beyond the philly area . any idea which tourneys they are looking for ? that said, so many disgruntled Dukes Nationals players, should be pretty easy to attract some of them.

Hey Brotherly Love how about a supplemental tryout on a Saturday or Sunday in early March? Basketball is winding down schedule is wide open.

[quote=Anonymous]It would be nice if brotherly love held these tryouts on a Saturday or Sunday as this would help attract kids from beyond the philly area . any idea which tourneys they are looking for ? that said, so many disgruntled Dukes Nationals players, should be pretty easy to attract some of them

DN has one ridiculously talented team 2022, one solid but imploding team 2023...2024 wouldn’t make the semi’s of an event that had the top 24 teams.

It is fair to question the long term prospects of the Dukes Nationals Model. It was formed to be a feeder to Ebe Helms Dukes Teams since the divorce with Triple H. However, the 2022 Team is in High School Next Year so do they then go onto Ebe Helms Dukes Team which leaves G's Dukes Team with as stated above a solid 2023 team that is imploding and a 2024 that sounds like a bit short of National Caliber.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is fair to question the long term prospects of the Dukes Nationals Model. It was formed to be a feeder to Ebe Helms Dukes Teams since the divorce with Triple H. However, the 2022 Team is in High School Next Year so do they then go onto Ebe Helms Dukes Team which leaves G's Dukes Team with as stated above a solid 2023 team that is imploding and a 2024 that sounds like a bit short of National Caliber.

No one cares about Dukes Nationals anymore, it was a good program at one point but since the management does not adhere to what they preach (accountability, communication and depth chart) as guidelines for the "Program" parents and players see the real deal and are no longer interested in spending time/money on this team anymore. Unfortunately, I think it is going to hurt the high school program indirectly and kids will want to play for other teams and not have to deal with the Dukes issues that seem to follow teams around (Dukes South, Dukes North) were all train wrecks and it seems Dukes Nationals is headed in the same direction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is fair to question the long term prospects of the Dukes Nationals Model. It was formed to be a feeder to Ebe Helms Dukes Teams since the divorce with Triple H. However, the 2022 Team is in High School Next Year so do they then go onto Ebe Helms Dukes Team which leaves G's Dukes Team with as stated above a solid 2023 team that is imploding and a 2024 that sounds like a bit short of National Caliber.

No one cares about Dukes Nationals anymore, it was a good program at one point but since the management does not adhere to what they preach (accountability, communication and depth chart) as guidelines for the "Program" parents and players see the real deal and are no longer interested in spending time/money on this team anymore. Unfortunately, I think it is going to hurt the high school program indirectly and kids will want to play for other teams and not have to deal with the Dukes issues
that seem to follow teams around (Dukes South, Dukes North) were all train wrecks and it seems Dukes Nationals is headed in the same direction.

The Dukes High School teams haven't been good since the fight that broke them up with HHH. It's just more of the same

Hot off the press. I just received an email from the guy that started Brotherly Love that they are going to have a National Team at 2023 to go along with there National Team 2024. Bates is the HC. That is just a ridiculously great move. Bates HC of Mid Atlantic National Team starting with the talent on Team Zeus ....I would throw up the white flag after that one.

Quick question, who are the Duke's teams playing on Sunday after their clinic at Duke this weekend? Are all teams, 2025-2022 playing? And Where? Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quick question, who are the Duke's teams playing on Sunday after their clinic at Duke this weekend? Are all teams, 2025-2022 playing? And Where? Thanks!

Who Cares??? the bigger question is are the Eagles going to win the Super Bowl....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, When is enough lacrosse enough? How many games, practices are appropriate for our kids? Is there a tipping point? Too much of a good thing, or never can have too much? Of course all these boys are well rounded multi-sport athletes as well. What time do they close their school books at night after practicing or playing a game, or traveling to and fro? We keep piling more and more responsibility on kids. We ask them to make commitments to tournaments and forgo vacations (you know this happens), and everyone on here is ok with lacrosse taking bigger and bigger chunks of time. Really? And just because your kid enjoys something, that doesn't mean you can't step in as a responsible parent and say "enough".

Well this is going to sound crazy, but we actually speak with our son and make it clear that he's allowed to say if he feels like it's too much. Again, I know the whole parent/child communication thing doesn't fit what you want to frame, but I'm sorry to say that it's what we do. If you want to try to say "Oh yeah, riiiiiight!" then maybe you should take a look at yourself or whoever it is that you have such a problem with and to work on communications skills.

Regarding when "enough is enough/too much", it's a valid question for certain. And I would assume it's one that school (probably more so high school than middle school) athletes need to address. But this isn't new. Nor does it have anything to do with the sport of lacrosse and/or club lacrosse. I think that having your child learn to balance multiple challenges (school work, sports, friends, etc.) is a very critical life skill that parents should be working very hard to teach. Because, as it turns out, life only gets harder. And I feel like the coddling that so many parents are doing with their children right now is only serving to put more and more maladjusted "adults" into the world.

[/steps off of soapbox]

You sound like a conscientious parent. But, if you think setting a limit on the amount of time your kid spends on any one activity (lacrosse or otherwise) constitutes coddling, and if you think that parents don't exist as I've described, you are living in a different reality than the rest of us. If what I've said doesn't apply to you, don't get so defensive. The truth is, I wouldn't expect most on this forum to agree with me. It's like lecturing a bunch of smokers about quitting. At least smokers can claim drug dependence though. Have fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hot off the press. I just received an email from the guy that started Brotherly Love that they are going to have a National Team at 2023 to go along with there National Team 2024. Bates is the HC. That is just a ridiculously great move. Bates HC of Mid Atlantic National Team starting with the talent on Team Zeus ....I would throw up the white flag after that one.

So let me get this straight. All the BL parents come on here and talk about how Zeus is a top 5 team in the nation who can beat anyone and now BL is going to create a national team that is even better than Zeus? Seriously? Is Zeus no longer a top 5 team?

Pure arrogant money grabbing BS that just goes to show you the lacrosse community has lost its collective mind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, When is enough lacrosse enough? How many games, practices are appropriate for our kids? Is there a tipping point? Too much of a good thing, or never can have too much? Of course all these boys are well rounded multi-sport athletes as well. What time do they close their school books at night after practicing or playing a game, or traveling to and fro? We keep piling more and more responsibility on kids. We ask them to make commitments to tournaments and forgo vacations (you know this happens), and everyone on here is ok with lacrosse taking bigger and bigger chunks of time. Really? And just because your kid enjoys something, that doesn't mean you can't step in as a responsible parent and say "enough".

Well this is going to sound crazy, but we actually speak with our son and make it clear that he's allowed to say if he feels like it's too much. Again, I know the whole parent/child communication thing doesn't fit what you want to frame, but I'm sorry to say that it's what we do. If you want to try to say "Oh yeah, riiiiiight!" then maybe you should take a look at yourself or whoever it is that you have such a problem with and to work on communications skills.

Regarding when "enough is enough/too much", it's a valid question for certain. And I would assume it's one that school (probably more so high school than middle school) athletes need to address. But this isn't new. Nor does it have anything to do with the sport of lacrosse and/or club lacrosse. I think that having your child learn to balance multiple challenges (school work, sports, friends, etc.) is a very critical life skill that parents should be working very hard to teach. Because, as it turns out, life only gets harder. And I feel like the coddling that so many parents are doing with their children right now is only serving to put more and more maladjusted "adults" into the world.

[/steps off of soapbox]

Have fun.

We do, thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hot off the press. I just received an email from the guy that started Brotherly Love that they are going to have a National Team at 2023 to go along with there National Team 2024. Bates is the HC. That is just a ridiculously great move. Bates HC of Mid Atlantic National Team starting with the talent on Team Zeus ....I would throw up the white flag after that one.

So let me get this straight. All the BL parents come on here and talk about how Zeus is a top 5 team in the nation who can beat anyone and now BL is going to create a national team that is even better than Zeus? Seriously? Is Zeus no longer a top 5 team?

Pure arrogant money grabbing BS that just goes to show you the lacrosse community has lost its collective mind.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, When is enough lacrosse enough? How many games, practices are appropriate for our kids? Is there a tipping point? Too much of a good thing, or never can have too much? Of course all these boys are well rounded multi-sport athletes as well. What time do they close their school books at night after practicing or playing a game, or traveling to and fro? We keep piling more and more responsibility on kids. We ask them to make commitments to tournaments and forgo vacations (you know this happens), and everyone on here is ok with lacrosse taking bigger and bigger chunks of time. Really? And just because your kid enjoys something, that doesn't mean you can't step in as a responsible parent and say "enough".

Well this is going to sound crazy, but we actually speak with our son and make it clear that he's allowed to say if he feels like it's too much. Again, I know the whole parent/child communication thing doesn't fit what you want to frame, but I'm sorry to say that it's what we do. If you want to try to say "Oh yeah, riiiiiight!" then maybe you should take a look at yourself or whoever it is that you have such a problem with and to work on communications skills.

Regarding when "enough is enough/too much", it's a valid question for certain. And I would assume it's one that school (probably more so high school than middle school) athletes need to address. But this isn't new. Nor does it have anything to do with the sport of lacrosse and/or club lacrosse. I think that having your child learn to balance multiple challenges (school work, sports, friends, etc.) is a very critical life skill that parents should be working very hard to teach. Because, as it turns out, life only gets harder. And I feel like the coddling that so many parents are doing with their children right now is only serving to put more and more maladjusted "adults" into the world.

[/steps off of soapbox]

Have fun.

We do, thanks!

At the expense of your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quick question, who are the Duke's teams playing on Sunday after their clinic at Duke this weekend? Are all teams, 2025-2022 playing? And Where? Thanks!

Who Cares??? the bigger question is are the Eagles going to win the Super Bowl....

Alexa says "Yes!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hot off the press. I just received an email from the guy that started Brotherly Love that they are going to have a National Team at 2023 to go along with there National Team 2024. Bates is the HC. That is just a ridiculously great move. Bates HC of Mid Atlantic National Team starting with the talent on Team Zeus ....I would throw up the white flag after that one.

So let me get this straight. All the BL parents come on here and talk about how Zeus is a top 5 team in the nation who can beat anyone and now BL is going to create a national team that is even better than Zeus? Seriously? Is Zeus no longer a top 5 team?

Pure arrogant money grabbing BS that just goes to show you the lacrosse community has lost its collective mind.

Big name no show like Urso, coaching at HS is too time consuming for this to work.
Plus, I'm sure the 2023's and the parents from Zeus will be thrilled with this conflict of teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, When is enough lacrosse enough? How many games, practices are appropriate for our kids? Is there a tipping point? Too much of a good thing, or never can have too much? Of course all these boys are well rounded multi-sport athletes as well. What time do they close their school books at night after practicing or playing a game, or traveling to and fro? We keep piling more and more responsibility on kids. We ask them to make commitments to tournaments and forgo vacations (you know this happens), and everyone on here is ok with lacrosse taking bigger and bigger chunks of time. Really? And just because your kid enjoys something, that doesn't mean you can't step in as a responsible parent and say "enough".

Well this is going to sound crazy, but we actually speak with our son and make it clear that he's allowed to say if he feels like it's too much. Again, I know the whole parent/child communication thing doesn't fit what you want to frame, but I'm sorry to say that it's what we do. If you want to try to say "Oh yeah, riiiiiight!" then maybe you should take a look at yourself or whoever it is that you have such a problem with and to work on communications skills.

Regarding when "enough is enough/too much", it's a valid question for certain. And I would assume it's one that school (probably more so high school than middle school) athletes need to address. But this isn't new. Nor does it have anything to do with the sport of lacrosse and/or club lacrosse. I think that having your child learn to balance multiple challenges (school work, sports, friends, etc.) is a very critical life skill that parents should be working very hard to teach. Because, as it turns out, life only gets harder. And I feel like the coddling that so many parents are doing with their children right now is only serving to put more and more maladjusted "adults" into the world.

[/steps off of soapbox]

Have fun.

We do, thanks!

At the expense of your son.

Literally impossible for you not to sit in accusation of other parents, huh? Since words are clearly so confusing the "We" in that statement actually includes my son. Because, as I've tried (though maybe I'll have to get the crayons out to do so) to explain, we actually value his input and allow him to be an active participant in decisions like this. We have a sneaking suspicion that this will allow him to actually become a better decision maker and better equipped to handle challenges as his life goes on.

But, again, please feel free to pretend like you have any idea of what every parent of a child on an elite travel team does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hot off the press. I just received an email from the guy that started Brotherly Love that they are going to have a National Team at 2023 to go along with there National Team 2024. Bates is the HC. That is just a ridiculously great move. Bates HC of Mid Atlantic National Team starting with the talent on Team Zeus ....I would throw up the white flag after that one.

So let me get this straight. All the BL parents come on here and talk about how Zeus is a top 5 team in the nation who can beat anyone and now BL is going to create a national team that is even better than Zeus? Seriously? Is Zeus no longer a top 5 team?

Pure arrogant money grabbing BS that just goes to show you the lacrosse community has lost its collective mind.

Big name no show like Urso, coaching at HS is too time consuming for this to work.
Plus, I'm sure the 2023's and the parents from Zeus will be thrilled with this conflict of teams.

I really hope this works for the sake of my son. Where we are from in Canada, lacrosse activities are available 7 days 365. After moving here we were shocked at the lack of opportunity. No wonder we dominate! Anyway, it does look like the US is making progress with the national team concept. I am willing to spend whatever it takes (so is Jimmy) to get him more involved. I'm even thinking of forming a parents group so that we can take turns hosting practice sessions on that day or two when they aren't scheduled with their school, community, box, club and national teams. Gotta fill those gaps lest our boys miss the skill development, I mean fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, When is enough lacrosse enough? How many games, practices are appropriate for our kids? Is there a tipping point? Too much of a good thing, or never can have too much? Of course all these boys are well rounded multi-sport athletes as well. What time do they close their school books at night after practicing or playing a game, or traveling to and fro? We keep piling more and more responsibility on kids. We ask them to make commitments to tournaments and forgo vacations (you know this happens), and everyone on here is ok with lacrosse taking bigger and bigger chunks of time. Really? And just because your kid enjoys something, that doesn't mean you can't step in as a responsible parent and say "enough".

Well this is going to sound crazy, but we actually speak with our son and make it clear that he's allowed to say if he feels like it's too much. Again, I know the whole parent/child communication thing doesn't fit what you want to frame, but I'm sorry to say that it's what we do. If you want to try to say "Oh yeah, riiiiiight!" then maybe you should take a look at yourself or whoever it is that you have such a problem with and to work on communications skills.

Regarding when "enough is enough/too much", it's a valid question for certain. And I would assume it's one that school (probably more so high school than middle school) athletes need to address. But this isn't new. Nor does it have anything to do with the sport of lacrosse and/or club lacrosse. I think that having your child learn to balance multiple challenges (school work, sports, friends, etc.) is a very critical life skill that parents should be working very hard to teach. Because, as it turns out, life only gets harder. And I feel like the coddling that so many parents are doing with their children right now is only serving to put more and more maladjusted "adults" into the world.

[/steps off of soapbox]

Have fun.

We do, thanks!

At the expense of your son.

Literally impossible for you not to sit in accusation of other parents, huh? Since words are clearly so confusing the "We" in that statement actually includes my son. Because, as I've tried (though maybe I'll have to get the crayons out to do so) to explain, we actually value his input and allow him to be an active participant in decisions like this. We have a sneaking suspicion that this will allow him to actually become a better decision maker and better equipped to handle challenges as his life goes on.

But, again, please feel free to pretend like you have any idea of what every parent of a child on an elite travel team does.

So, you've taken a poll of every parent? Stop embarrassing yourself. And work harder to comprehend what you are reading before responding next time. You make me fear for our future. This is why people should be licensed to parent. You create arrogant, entitled monsters just like yourself. Not what the world needs.

Parent: Dr., my son has an obsession, an insatiable appetite for a game. No matter what I do to support him, it's never enough. He plays this game with four groups as it is and they don't just meet to play the game, they all have practices. It's not uncommon for him to be invited to attend sessions to develop different aspects of his game. When he's not doing structured practice, he works on his game at home. Dr., there is another group, an elite group, that he wants to be part of now. Should I do it? I mean, would it be responsible for me to do it? Dr., this just isn't a commitment for him, it is a family commitment as well.

Dr.: So, your son likes to play this game and you don't know when to say enough is enough? Seems to me the problem is not with him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the expense of your son.

Literally impossible for you not to sit in accusation of other parents, huh? Since words are clearly so confusing the "We" in that statement actually includes my son. Because, as I've tried (though maybe I'll have to get the crayons out to do so) to explain, we actually value his input and allow him to be an active participant in decisions like this. We have a sneaking suspicion that this will allow him to actually become a better decision maker and better equipped to handle challenges as his life goes on.

But, again, please feel free to pretend like you have any idea of what every parent of a child on an elite travel team does.

So, you've taken a poll of every parent? Stop embarrassing yourself. And work harder to comprehend what you are reading before responding next time. You make me fear for our future. This is why people should be licensed to parent. You create arrogant, entitled monsters just like yourself. Not what the world needs.

You do realize that you're talking about a lack of reading comprehension and me taking "a poll of every parent" when my post literally talked about "We" being myself, my spouse and our son. And then I told you to continue pretending like you had an idea about every parent of a child on an elite travel team.

I'm pretty sure the rest of your insane ramblings work themselves out for everyone reading after that piece of irony.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the expense of your son.

Literally impossible for you not to sit in accusation of other parents, huh? Since words are clearly so confusing the "We" in that statement actually includes my son. Because, as I've tried (though maybe I'll have to get the crayons out to do so) to explain, we actually value his input and allow him to be an active participant in decisions like this. We have a sneaking suspicion that this will allow him to actually become a better decision maker and better equipped to handle challenges as his life goes on.

But, again, please feel free to pretend like you have any idea of what every parent of a child on an elite travel team does.

So, you've taken a poll of every parent? Stop embarrassing yourself. And work harder to comprehend what you are reading before responding next time. You make me fear for our future. This is why people should be licensed to parent. You create arrogant, entitled monsters just like yourself. Not what the world needs.

You do realize that you're talking about a lack of reading comprehension and me taking "a poll of every parent" when my post literally talked about "We" being myself, my spouse and our son. And then I told you to continue pretending like you had an idea about every parent of a child on an elite travel team.

I'm pretty sure the rest of your insane ramblings work themselves out for everyone reading after that piece of irony.

I think we got off on the wrong foot. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to direct anything at one person or one family, but rather those in the room (despite my best efforts, I realize I can't convince you they are here) who my comments apply to. The laws of probability don't prove what I'm saying, but it makes it more likely than not. I'll be leaving you soon because this has become an exercise in futility. If one parent of one kid finds that their kid wants them to pump their brakes a little, I'll be happy with that. I'm not saying what I'm saying to be argumentative. My ramblings insane? I'm sorry you take it that way. For what I've said to have struck such a cord with you is something you might want to explore a little. I'm not sure why you'd take offense to something that doesn't apply to you. It did appear that there is another person on here who agrees with my assessment of the state of lacrosse today. To him/her I'd say that you're outnumbered. Take care of your kid and find a forum elsewhere. Take care.

I'm gulping up as much lacrosse as they'll serve! It must be good for me if they keep offering more. A truly valuable lesson for my son. Discuss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hot off the press. I just received an email from the guy that started Brotherly Love that they are going to have a National Team at 2023 to go along with there National Team 2024. Bates is the HC. That is just a ridiculously great move. Bates HC of Mid Atlantic National Team starting with the talent on Team Zeus ....I would throw up the white flag after that one.

So let me get this straight. All the BL parents come on here and talk about how Zeus is a top 5 team in the nation who can beat anyone and now BL is going to create a national team that is even better than Zeus? Seriously? Is Zeus no longer a top 5 team?

Pure arrogant money grabbing BS that just goes to show you the lacrosse community has lost its collective mind.

Big name no show like Urso, coaching at HS is too time consuming for this to work.
Plus, I'm sure the 2023's and the parents from Zeus will be thrilled with this conflict of teams.

Interesting Statement. My kid plays for Urso on Brotherly Love 2022 and contrary to what many thought when he committed to coaching Brotherly Love several years ago the man has been committed. He rarely misses a practice and they obviously work around his Garnet Valley Schedule but the man is there. Jesus, I remember him having hip surgery and being on the sidelines in a freakin golf cart for the whole tournament. You my friend are a hammerhead that really should not speak to what they don't know anything about.

Let me see here. Bates commits to coaching a Philly based National Team that will likely attract some of the best talent in the Philly Area at the 7th/8th grade level and he is the HC of an elite private school in Episcopal Academy that many parents would welcome enrolling their star players....Sounds pretty smart to me. Expect Episcopal to be in the top 10 Nationally within a couple of years. Give me a break, Episcopal beat might Malvern two times last year with lesser talent. When a team that is less talented goes 2-0 against the superior team, my experience is that coaching has something to do with the wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hot off the press. I just received an email from the guy that started Brotherly Love that they are going to have a National Team at 2023 to go along with there National Team 2024. Bates is the HC. That is just a ridiculously great move. Bates HC of Mid Atlantic National Team starting with the talent on Team Zeus ....I would throw up the white flag after that one.

So let me get this straight. All the BL parents come on here and talk about how Zeus is a top 5 team in the nation who can beat anyone and now BL is going to create a national team that is even better than Zeus? Seriously? Is Zeus no longer a top 5 team?

Pure arrogant money grabbing BS that just goes to show you the lacrosse community has lost its collective mind.

Big name no show like Urso, coaching at HS is too time consuming for this to work.
Plus, I'm sure the 2023's and the parents from Zeus will be thrilled with this conflict of teams.

Interesting Statement. My kid plays for Urso on Brotherly Love 2022 and contrary to what many thought when he committed to coaching Brotherly Love several years ago the man has been committed. He rarely misses a practice and they obviously work around his Garnet Valley Schedule but the man is there. Jesus, I remember him having hip surgery and being on the sidelines in a freakin golf cart for the whole tournament. You my friend are a hammerhead that really should not speak to what they don't know anything about.

Let me see here. Bates commits to coaching a Philly based National Team that will likely attract some of the best talent in the Philly Area at the 7th/8th grade level and he is the HC of an elite private school in Episcopal Academy that many parents would welcome enrolling their star players....Sounds pretty smart to me. Expect Episcopal to be in the top 10 Nationally within a couple of years. Give me a break, Episcopal beat might Malvern two times last year with lesser talent. When a team that is less talented goes 2-0 against the superior team, my experience is that coaching has something to do with the wins.

Name calling doesn't change the fact that the 2022 team rarely practiced, having new and different kids all the time.

LOL at thinking little Johnny is getting a full ride to Episcopal by playing for Brotherly Love

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hot off the press. I just received an email from the guy that started Brotherly Love that they are going to have a National Team at 2023 to go along with there National Team 2024. Bates is the HC. That is just a ridiculously great move. Bates HC of Mid Atlantic National Team starting with the talent on Team Zeus ....I would throw up the white flag after that one.

So let me get this straight. All the BL parents come on here and talk about how Zeus is a top 5 team in the nation who can beat anyone and now BL is going to create a national team that is even better than Zeus? Seriously? Is Zeus no longer a top 5 team?

Pure arrogant money grabbing BS that just goes to show you the lacrosse community has lost its collective mind.

Big name no show like Urso, coaching at HS is too time consuming for this to work.
Plus, I'm sure the 2023's and the parents from Zeus will be thrilled with this conflict of teams.

Interesting Statement. My kid plays for Urso on Brotherly Love 2022 and contrary to what many thought when he committed to coaching Brotherly Love several years ago the man has been committed. He rarely misses a practice and they obviously work around his Garnet Valley Schedule but the man is there. Jesus, I remember him having hip surgery and being on the sidelines in a freakin golf cart for the whole tournament. You my friend are a hammerhead that really should not speak to what they don't know anything about.

Let me see here. Bates commits to coaching a Philly based National Team that will likely attract some of the best talent in the Philly Area at the 7th/8th grade level and he is the HC of an elite private school in Episcopal Academy that many parents would welcome enrolling their star players....Sounds pretty smart to me. Expect Episcopal to be in the top 10 Nationally within a couple of years. Give me a break, Episcopal beat might Malvern two times last year with lesser talent. When a team that is less talented goes 2-0 against the superior team, my experience is that coaching has something to do with the wins.

It could also mean that the kids are more talented than you are giving them credit for, or at the very least had some really good days against more talented opponents. Coaching has something to do with every win, but there are too many other variables for you to imply that "therefore the coaches are better".

You must be aligned with Malvern Prep....still hurting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL at thinking little Johnny is getting a full ride to Episcopal by playing for Brotherly Love

Not at all thankfully there are plenty of people on this board that have been blessed professionally and aren't looking for a full ride. But you are kidding yourself if you think that the EA coaching staff isn't recruiting kids from Brotherly Love, I know for a fact they are actively pursuing at least 5 of them and that is just the ones in my neighborhood.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be aligned with Malvern Prep....still hurting?

Wrong and no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL at thinking little Johnny is getting a full ride to Episcopal by playing for Brotherly Love

Not at all thankfully there are plenty of people on this board that have been blessed professionally and aren't looking for a full ride. But you are kidding yourself if you think that the EA coaching staff isn't recruiting kids from Brotherly Love, I know for a fact they are actively pursuing at least 5 of them and that is just the ones in my neighborhood.

Congratulations! 5 in your neighborhood? They can't get a decent public education where you decided to plant your family? We have some of the best school districts in the country in BL's area and they are free. More of the collective craziness of youth lacrosse. Sending your kid to a school for lacrosse exposure. Another admirable trend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be aligned with Malvern Prep....still hurting?

Wrong and no.

Just because the observation doesn't suit your narrative, that doesn't mean it's about sour grapes. Pretty juvenile response. Usually happens when someone can't back up their argument. Go ahead, dazzle me with your next response. I like the cut of your jib!

"I like the cut of your jib!" Are you kidding me with that esoteric dribble? What are you going to say "shiver me timbers" next Captain Ahab? Not even really sure what your position is on the commentary you agree you disagree what commentary are you citing?

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"I like the cut of your jib!" Are you kidding me with that esoteric dribble? What are you going to say "shiver me timbers" next Captain Ahab? Not even really sure what your position is on the commentary you agree you disagree what commentary are you citing?

Yes, was kidding you with esoteric dribble. My position on national teams is that they are overkill. I disagree with anyone who believes that their kid needs more lacrosse time in their lives. The white whale you are chasing, cap, isn't likely one you'll ever find. If your kid does end up having the lacrosse dream you have for him, hopefully that dream is one he shares with you. Go Birds!

Interesting, my kids went to the BL tryouts and he was excited to be a part of this team. Anyone that has ever played sports in high school and beyond can relate to this. Getting together with an all start type of format where everyone is good elevates the level of enjoyment of the sport. The passing and unselfish play that I saw at the BL tryouts was impressive. My older boy that plays for a good high school team was at the tryouts and this was his comments, "they are really unselfish and they are more skilled and move the ball better than my high school team"
Who wouldn't enjoy playing on a team like that even at the young age of 12 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting, my kids went to the BL tryouts and he was excited to be a part of this team. Anyone that has ever played sports in high school and beyond can relate to this. Getting together with an all start type of format where everyone is good elevates the level of enjoyment of the sport. The passing and unselfish play that I saw at the BL tryouts was impressive. My older boy that plays for a good high school team was at the tryouts and this was his comments, "they are really unselfish and they are more skilled and move the ball better than my high school team"
Who wouldn't enjoy playing on a team like that even at the young age of 12 years old.

So, your 12 year old believes he'll make the cut? No nerves or stress? All of those unselfish boys part of BL?You are wearing rose colored glasses. Go Birds!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

Duke lacrosse big scam: who cares!! National teams at 12 . Aren’t do not buy into it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

It was another great mini-camp; kids had a blast and my son enjoyed seeing the University of Duke!! Hey the game on Sunday got moved up so everyone was able to get home to see the Super Bowl!! See to the gentlemen that was upset about a Sunday Game; no issues and both kids and parents had a blast!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

It was another great mini-camp; kids had a blast and my son enjoyed seeing the University of Duke!! Hey the game on Sunday got moved up so everyone was able to get home to see the Super Bowl!! See to the gentlemen that was upset about a Sunday Game; no issues and both kids and parents had a blast!

Oh my gosh! That's amazing! The University of Duke!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

It was another great mini-camp; kids had a blast and my son enjoyed seeing the University of Duke!! Hey the game on Sunday got moved up so everyone was able to get home to see the Super Bowl!! See to the gentlemen that was upset about a Sunday Game; no issues and both kids and parents had a blast!

Oh my gosh! That's amazing! The University of Duke!

Duke University; lord this forum has turned into a complete joke. Everyone is so quick to jump on others and bring nothing but negativity. Your poor kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

It was another great mini-camp; kids had a blast and my son enjoyed seeing the University of Duke!! Hey the game on Sunday got moved up so everyone was able to get home to see the Super Bowl!! See to the gentlemen that was upset about a Sunday Game; no issues and both kids and parents had a blast!

Oh my gosh! That's amazing! The University of Duke!

Duke University; lord this forum has turned into a complete joke. Everyone is so quick to jump on others and bring nothing but negativity. Your poor kids.

You don't know my kids, but you'd know how completely wrong you are if you did. The last thing they need is your sympathy. Great job getting it right on the second go with Duke. Negativity? If that's what you want to call reality, so be it. Just because you won't look at it, doesn't mean it's not there. Go look up some stats, there is a blog on this site, to see if the investment in all this fun is really sensible. Of course you are going to justify the amount of lacrosse time you allow your son to play. And, of course he loves it all and will be afforded a greater chance of success the more he plays. Show me the stats that somehow justify the increasing commitment seemingly required of youth lacrosse players. Sorry to bring you down, but I care as much about what you think as apparently you do about what I think. I do care that your kid could get burnt out and lose the joy for the sport.

I'm interested to know if any parents on here have kids who've experienced lacrosse fatigue? Do any of your kids get tired of try outs and clinics and some of the other "extras" that come with the game. I read some of this and I get the sense that all kids are always all in. I'll be the first to admit that that isn't always the case with my son. Second question: What do you do when your kid has tons of talent, but is losing enthusiasm for the game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm interested to know if any parents on here have kids who've experienced lacrosse fatigue? Do any of your kids get tired of try outs and clinics and some of the other "extras" that come with the game. I read some of this and I get the sense that all kids are always all in. I'll be the first to admit that that isn't always the case with my son. Second question: What do you do when your kid has tons of talent, but is losing enthusiasm for the game?

Simple, If it's mid season tell him he has to finish the season due to his commitment to the team, but doesn't have to play next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

It was another great mini-camp; kids had a blast and my son enjoyed seeing the University of Duke!! Hey the game on Sunday got moved up so everyone was able to get home to see the Super Bowl!! See to the gentlemen that was upset about a Sunday Game; no issues and both kids and parents had a blast!

Oh my gosh! That's amazing! The University of Duke!

Duke University; lord this forum has turned into a complete joke. Everyone is so quick to jump on others and bring nothing but negativity. Your poor kids.

You don't know my kids, but you'd know how completely wrong you are if you did. The last thing they need is your sympathy. Great job getting it right on the second go with Duke. Negativity? If that's what you want to call reality, so be it. Just because you won't look at it, doesn't mean it's not there. Go look up some stats, there is a blog on this site, to see if the investment in all this fun is really sensible. Of course you are going to justify the amount of lacrosse time you allow your son to play. And, of course he loves it all and will be afforded a greater chance of success the more he plays. Show me the stats that somehow justify the increasing commitment seemingly required of youth lacrosse players. Sorry to bring you down, but I care as much about what you think as apparently you do about what I think. I do care that your kid could get burnt out and lose the joy for the sport.

Sir you obviously do not know my son as well. I think you are being completely irrational to assume ALL kids fall into the category of Lacrosse Fatigue. It exists we are all aware just like in al sports; however, with my son we have excellent communication, he has a love for the game, he wants to compete at a high level....so why is it so wrong with giving him that experience? After each mini-camp/game etc. we talk; are you having fun, is this something you want to continue to do and so on. I think it is important to have this open dialogue with your son and if he were to say "Dad I am tired or this is no longer fun" guess what.....we stop!!!! This is not difficult if you have that type of relationship with your child. So SORRY TO BRING YOU DOWN, but many more kids enjoy this experience than not!! If this is not for your son hopefully he shared that with you and you made changes. I for one have seen my sons love for the game intensify as we travel from city to city enjoying what other areas of the country have to offer in terms of a learning experience. This format for us; at least, is not all about lacrosse. Sorry you disagree but again we are all different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm interested to know if any parents on here have kids who've experienced lacrosse fatigue? Do any of your kids get tired of try outs and clinics and some of the other "extras" that come with the game. I read some of this and I get the sense that all kids are always all in. I'll be the first to admit that that isn't always the case with my son. Second question: What do you do when your kid has tons of talent, but is losing enthusiasm for the game?

You take a break and take them fishing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm interested to know if any parents on here have kids who've experienced lacrosse fatigue? Do any of your kids get tired of try outs and clinics and some of the other "extras" that come with the game. I read some of this and I get the sense that all kids are always all in. I'll be the first to admit that that isn't always the case with my son. Second question: What do you do when your kid has tons of talent, but is losing enthusiasm for the game?

You take a break and take them fishing!

Yes!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

It was another great mini-camp; kids had a blast and my son enjoyed seeing the University of Duke!! Hey the game on Sunday got moved up so everyone was able to get home to see the Super Bowl!! See to the gentlemen that was upset about a Sunday Game; no issues and both kids and parents had a blast!

Oh my gosh! That's amazing! The University of Duke!

Duke University; lord this forum has turned into a complete joke. Everyone is so quick to jump on others and bring nothing but negativity. Your poor kids.

You don't know my kids, but you'd know how completely wrong you are if you did. The last thing they need is your sympathy. Great job getting it right on the second go with Duke. Negativity? If that's what you want to call reality, so be it. Just because you won't look at it, doesn't mean it's not there. Go look up some stats, there is a blog on this site, to see if the investment in all this fun is really sensible. Of course you are going to justify the amount of lacrosse time you allow your son to play. And, of course he loves it all and will be afforded a greater chance of success the more he plays. Show me the stats that somehow justify the increasing commitment seemingly required of youth lacrosse players. Sorry to bring you down, but I care as much about what you think as apparently you do about what I think. I do care that your kid could get burnt out and lose the joy for the sport.

Sir you obviously do not know my son as well. I think you are being completely irrational to assume ALL kids fall into the category of Lacrosse Fatigue. It exists we are all aware just like in al sports; however, with my son we have excellent communication, he has a love for the game, he wants to compete at a high level....so why is it so wrong with giving him that experience? After each mini-camp/game etc. we talk; are you having fun, is this something you want to continue to do and so on. I think it is important to have this open dialogue with your son and if he were to say "Dad I am tired or this is no longer fun" guess what.....we stop!!!! This is not difficult if you have that type of relationship with your child. So SORRY TO BRING YOU DOWN, but many more kids enjoy this experience than not!! If this is not for your son hopefully he shared that with you and you made changes. I for one have seen my sons love for the game intensify as we travel from city to city enjoying what other areas of the country have to offer in terms of a learning experience. This format for us; at least, is not all about lacrosse. Sorry you disagree but again we are all different.

Yawn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm interested to know if any parents on here have kids who've experienced lacrosse fatigue? Do any of your kids get tired of try outs and clinics and some of the other "extras" that come with the game. I read some of this and I get the sense that all kids are always all in. I'll be the first to admit that that isn't always the case with my son. Second question: What do you do when your kid has tons of talent, but is losing enthusiasm for the game?

Simple, If it's mid season tell him he has to finish the season due to his commitment to the team, but doesn't have to play next year.

I'm looking for a solution between the two extremes. Something between what your kid does and nothing at all. Somewhere where sanity and moderation prevails.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

It was another great mini-camp; kids had a blast and my son enjoyed seeing the University of Duke!! Hey the game on Sunday got moved up so everyone was able to get home to see the Super Bowl!! See to the gentlemen that was upset about a Sunday Game; no issues and both kids and parents had a blast!

Oh my gosh! That's amazing! The University of Duke!

Duke University; lord this forum has turned into a complete joke. Everyone is so quick to jump on others and bring nothing but negativity. Your poor kids.

You don't know my kids, but you'd know how completely wrong you are if you did. The last thing they need is your sympathy. Great job getting it right on the second go with Duke. Negativity? If that's what you want to call reality, so be it. Just because you won't look at it, doesn't mean it's not there. Go look up some stats, there is a blog on this site, to see if the investment in all this fun is really sensible. Of course you are going to justify the amount of lacrosse time you allow your son to play. And, of course he loves it all and will be afforded a greater chance of success the more he plays. Show me the stats that somehow justify the increasing commitment seemingly required of youth lacrosse players. Sorry to bring you down, but I care as much about what you think as apparently you do about what I think. I do care that your kid could get burnt out and lose the joy for the sport.

Sir you obviously do not know my son as well. I think you are being completely irrational to assume ALL kids fall into the category of Lacrosse Fatigue. It exists we are all aware just like in al sports; however, with my son we have excellent communication, he has a love for the game, he wants to compete at a high level....so why is it so wrong with giving him that experience? After each mini-camp/game etc. we talk; are you having fun, is this something you want to continue to do and so on. I think it is important to have this open dialogue with your son and if he were to say "Dad I am tired or this is no longer fun" guess what.....we stop!!!! This is not difficult if you have that type of relationship with your child. So SORRY TO BRING YOU DOWN, but many more kids enjoy this experience than not!! If this is not for your son hopefully he shared that with you and you made changes. I for one have seen my sons love for the game intensify as we travel from city to city enjoying what other areas of the country have to offer in terms of a learning experience. This format for us; at least, is not all about lacrosse. Sorry you disagree but again we are all different.

You haven't brought me down. I don't presume to know how many kids enjoy the experience. I'm in this lacrosse community too at the most competitive level, and if you don't think that some parents are over-committing their kids, you are kidding yourself. Every team has them and their zeal is fueling the growth of the Natl team concept. I'm brought down by them and I'm not sure why you're defending them because you don't appear to be one of them. This format works for your family and that's great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

It was another great mini-camp; kids had a blast and my son enjoyed seeing the University of Duke!! Hey the game on Sunday got moved up so everyone was able to get home to see the Super Bowl!! See to the gentlemen that was upset about a Sunday Game; no issues and both kids and parents had a blast!

Oh my gosh! That's amazing! The University of Duke!

Duke University; lord this forum has turned into a complete joke. Everyone is so quick to jump on others and bring nothing but negativity. Your poor kids.

You don't know my kids, but you'd know how completely wrong you are if you did. The last thing they need is your sympathy. Great job getting it right on the second go with Duke. Negativity? If that's what you want to call reality, so be it. Just because you won't look at it, doesn't mean it's not there. Go look up some stats, there is a blog on this site, to see if the investment in all this fun is really sensible. Of course you are going to justify the amount of lacrosse time you allow your son to play. And, of course he loves it all and will be afforded a greater chance of success the more he plays. Show me the stats that somehow justify the increasing commitment seemingly required of youth lacrosse players. Sorry to bring you down, but I care as much about what you think as apparently you do about what I think. I do care that your kid could get burnt out and lose the joy for the sport.

Sir you obviously do not know my son as well. I think you are being completely irrational to assume ALL kids fall into the category of Lacrosse Fatigue. It exists we are all aware just like in al sports; however, with my son we have excellent communication, he has a love for the game, he wants to compete at a high level....so why is it so wrong with giving him that experience? After each mini-camp/game etc. we talk; are you having fun, is this something you want to continue to do and so on. I think it is important to have this open dialogue with your son and if he were to say "Dad I am tired or this is no longer fun" guess what.....we stop!!!! This is not difficult if you have that type of relationship with your child. So SORRY TO BRING YOU DOWN, but many more kids enjoy this experience than not!! If this is not for your son hopefully he shared that with you and you made changes. I for one have seen my sons love for the game intensify as we travel from city to city enjoying what other areas of the country have to offer in terms of a learning experience. This format for us; at least, is not all about lacrosse. Sorry you disagree but again we are all different.

Sir?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm interested to know if any parents on here have kids who've experienced lacrosse fatigue? Do any of your kids get tired of try outs and clinics and some of the other "extras" that come with the game. I read some of this and I get the sense that all kids are always all in. I'll be the first to admit that that isn't always the case with my son. Second question: What do you do when your kid has tons of talent, but is losing enthusiasm for the game?

Simple, If it's mid season tell him he has to finish the season due to his commitment to the team, but doesn't have to play next year.

I'm looking for a solution between the two extremes. Something between what your kid does and nothing at all. Somewhere where sanity and moderation prevails.

That is the Lacrosse Unicorn my friend!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm interested to know if any parents on here have kids who've experienced lacrosse fatigue? Do any of your kids get tired of try outs and clinics and some of the other "extras" that come with the game. I read some of this and I get the sense that all kids are always all in. I'll be the first to admit that that isn't always the case with my son. Second question: What do you do when your kid has tons of talent, but is losing enthusiasm for the game?

Simple, If it's mid season tell him he has to finish the season due to his commitment to the team, but doesn't have to play next year.

I'm looking for a solution between the two extremes. Something between what your kid does and nothing at all. Somewhere where sanity and moderation prevails.

That is the Lacrosse Unicorn my friend!!

My favorite response! Truth. Go Birds!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm interested to know if any parents on here have kids who've experienced lacrosse fatigue? Do any of your kids get tired of try outs and clinics and some of the other "extras" that come with the game. I read some of this and I get the sense that all kids are always all in. I'll be the first to admit that that isn't always the case with my son. Second question: What do you do when your kid has tons of talent, but is losing enthusiasm for the game?

Simple, If it's mid season tell him he has to finish the season due to his commitment to the team, but doesn't have to play next year.

I'm looking for a solution between the two extremes. Something between what your kid does and nothing at all. Somewhere where sanity and moderation prevails.

That is the Lacrosse Unicorn my friend!!

My favorite response! Truth. Go Birds!

If your kid is good enough you can do whatever you want. You just feel pressured to do more cause everyone else is. Don’t buy into it if you don’t want to. The only ones that care are the ones making money off you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm interested to know if any parents on here have kids who've experienced lacrosse fatigue? Do any of your kids get tired of try outs and clinics and some of the other "extras" that come with the game. I read some of this and I get the sense that all kids are always all in. I'll be the first to admit that that isn't always the case with my son. Second question: What do you do when your kid has tons of talent, but is losing enthusiasm for the game?

Simple, If it's mid season tell him he has to finish the season due to his commitment to the team, but doesn't have to play next year.

I'm looking for a solution between the two extremes. Something between what your kid does and nothing at all. Somewhere where sanity and moderation prevails.

That is the Lacrosse Unicorn my friend!!

My favorite response! Truth. Go Birds!

If your kid is good enough you can do whatever you want. You just feel pressured to do more cause everyone else is. Don’t buy into it if you don’t want to. The only ones that care are the ones making money off you.

That's it. Parental peer pressure. "Your kid is good enough so why aren't you signing him up? It's good for him. Don't deny him the opportunity." That would seem to be the general consensus on this thread. Don't "buy into it" is spot on both literally and figuratively. Thanks for the feedback.

If you have to ask the question you’re doing to much, ask and listen to your kid.

If you aren't getting your kid involved with the dukes national team you are doing him a disservice. It is hands down the best coaching environment and you can not replicate the experience with the ballers on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you aren't getting your kid involved with the dukes national team you are doing him a disservice. It is hands down the best coaching environment and you can not replicate the experience with the ballers on the field.

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii G!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you aren't getting your kid involved with the dukes national team you are doing him a disservice. It is hands down the best coaching environment and you can not replicate the experience with the ballers on the field.

This is a ridiculous shameful plug by Dukes Nationals Management. Save your money, time and aggravation by not listening to this or joining Duke's Nationals train wreck. The program has steadily been going down hill since they changed coaches and are constantly emailing and texting about payments that should be paid for ridiculous reasons 2018-2019 min camps already and discount on 2018 spring/summer tournaments if you pay early, how and why would we pay early if we do not know where our sons are on the depth chart, I forgot there has not been a depth chart since November!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you aren't getting your kid involved with the dukes national team you are doing him a disservice. It is hands down the best coaching environment and you can not replicate the experience with the ballers on the field.

This is a ridiculous shameful plug by Dukes Nationals Management. Save your money, time and aggravation by not listening to this or joining Duke's Nationals train wreck. The program has steadily been going down hill since they changed coaches and are constantly emailing and texting about payments that should be paid for ridiculous reasons 2018-2019 min camps already and discount on 2018 spring/summer tournaments if you pay early, how and why would we pay early if we do not know where our sons are on the depth chart, I forgot there has not been a depth chart since November!!!!!!!

Caveat emptor. Thank you for this perspective. I hate that term ballers. I feel like everyone who uses it is a, well, you know. Thanks again.

So here’s the problem with dukes. Everyone pay attention - The depth chart comes out for the 24 team. And a kid who had not been to one mini camp in forever. Didn’t go to Florida , didn’t go to the last minicamp even though it was in his home state Is still #4 on the depth chart ahead of kids who always show up. G what is wrong with you? This is why half your philly players will go to brotherly love national team and end up spanking you this summer. If you readers pay attention , I’m really not sure how you can ever give this man a dime

spot on Anonymous! except G would never enter a tournament against a team like Brotherly Love because he only picks teams that he can beat by double digits even with him as the coach

not to mention the team they scheduled sucked and it was a joke. on a brighter note EAGLES!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So here’s the problem with dukes. Everyone pay attention - The depth chart comes out for the 24 team. And a kid who had not been to one mini camp in forever. Didn’t go to Florida , didn’t go to the last minicamp even though it was in his home state Is still #4 on the depth chart ahead of kids who always show up. G what is wrong with you? This is why half your philly players will go to brotherly love national team and end up spanking you this summer. If you readers pay attention , I’m really not sure how you can ever give this man a dime

This is an interesting perspective. We were at the 2nd Brotherly Love National Tryouts at Episcopal on Friday Night. The coach running the tryouts answered questions at the end and several of them seemed to tie into the Dukes "approach" I believe the gentleman running the tryout was one of the founders of Brotherly Love and he made a point that there would be no dad's involved in the depth chart and selection. If that remains true it will be a good thing.

I was very impressed with the two tryout sessions. However I was more impressed with the coaches they had at the tryout. Noon MLL pole, Adams, Team USA Goalie, Bates, HC at EA and former HC of Princeton, and Deniken former Wings Box Player. I think we would be hard pressed to find a more elite level of coaches for a 6th grade lacrosse team. Well done so far just hoping my kid makes the cut as the top team will be awesome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So here’s the problem with dukes. Everyone pay attention - The depth chart comes out for the 24 team. And a kid who had not been to one mini camp in forever. Didn’t go to Florida , didn’t go to the last minicamp even though it was in his home state Is still #4 on the depth chart ahead of kids who always show up. G what is wrong with you? This is why half your philly players will go to brotherly love national team and end up spanking you this summer. If you readers pay attention , I’m really not sure how you can ever give this man a dime

This is an interesting perspective. We were at the 2nd Brotherly Love National Tryouts at Episcopal on Friday Night. The coach running the tryouts answered questions at the end and several of them seemed to tie into the Dukes "approach" I believe the gentleman running the tryout was one of the founders of Brotherly Love and he made a point that there would be no dad's involved in the depth chart and selection. If that remains true it will be a good thing.

I was very impressed with the two tryout sessions. However I was more impressed with the coaches they had at the tryout. Noon MLL pole, Adams, Team USA Goalie, Bates, HC at EA and former HC of Princeton, and Deniken former Wings Box Player. I think we would be hard pressed to find a more elite level of coaches for a 6th grade lacrosse team. Well done so far just hoping my kid makes the cut as the top team will be awesome.

I'm wondering why you would gush so much about an organization/team your son might not make the cut for? You're drumming up interest (read competition) for your son. Is this just a public service announcement or is it an advertisement? We want objective information. Anything negative at all from the experience?? Anything?

Overall it was a positive experience nothing negative other than skepticism of how they are going to handle 40 kids and make it work what’s it to you are you now the designated forum moderato

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So here’s the problem with dukes. Everyone pay attention - The depth chart comes out for the 24 team. And a kid who had not been to one mini camp in forever. Didn’t go to Florida , didn’t go to the last minicamp even though it was in his home state Is still #4 on the depth chart ahead of kids who always show up. G what is wrong with you? This is why half your philly players will go to brotherly love national team and end up spanking you this summer. If you readers pay attention , I’m really not sure how you can ever give this man a dime

Sounds typical for the Duke's Nationals -Depth Chart, the depth chart is never followed as it is explained to parents and players, who are supposed to be accountable to attend each mini camp and tournament to stay in good standing and keep the players spot on the depth chart but as you explained it is never followed by Dukes management who produce the depth chart with no input from the coaches. The depth chart is just a hammerhead to keep the players interested in attending the next mini camp and the mini camps are just money makers for Dukes nationals management to keep the program afloat. It is a complete scam and the end is near.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds typical for the Duke's Nationals -Depth Chart, the depth chart is never followed as it is explained to parents and players, who are supposed to be accountable to attend each mini camp and tournament to stay in good standing and keep the players spot on the depth chart but as you explained it is never followed by Dukes management who produce the depth chart with no input from the coaches. The depth chart is just a hammerhead to keep the players interested in attending the next mini camp and the mini camps are just money makers for Dukes nationals management to keep the program afloat. It is a complete scam and the end is near.

Here's the thing. The depth chart is crap - I don't think anyone disagrees with that. But the mini camps (the Loyola snow storm excluded) are actually pretty good. They do a lot of positional training with fantastic coaches and then move to 2 on 2s, 3 on 3s, etc. where they can apply some of the lessons they learned during positional training.

If your son is looking for extra training, this is a pretty good option as long as you understand and accept some of the downsides of the rest of the program.

I agree the camps are good. Actually (camps)have gotten better according to my son. We are on the team and overall my experience is good. I have learned a few things over my time though....don't pay in cash, pay as you go. But as a lacrosse program I believe my son has improved and has met a few great kids along the way. I don't hold the business practices against the overall experience.

stunad..special doesn't mean blowing teams out of the water. That team of boys are so connected and bonded. That's what is special.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

stunad..special doesn't mean blowing teams out of the water. That team of boys are so connected and bonded. That's what is special.

The truth is that the connection and bond you are referring to is not all that special. All the teams (regardless of sport) that my kids have been on foster the team approach, connections and bonding. Some do it better than others, but it seems to be pretty universal. If you are reading this it's because you are someone who puts your kids development and winning high on the list of priorities. This is a good thing, but don't kid yourself, if the team starts losing you'll shop around, regardless of the connections and bonds. At the elite level, winning comes first and foremost. It's how the business makes money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds typical for the Duke's Nationals -Depth Chart, the depth chart is never followed as it is explained to parents and players, who are supposed to be accountable to attend each mini camp and tournament to stay in good standing and keep the players spot on the depth chart but as you explained it is never followed by Dukes management who produce the depth chart with no input from the coaches. The depth chart is just a hammerhead to keep the players interested in attending the next mini camp and the mini camps are just money makers for Dukes nationals management to keep the program afloat. It is a complete scam and the end is near.

Here's the thing. The depth chart is crap - I don't think anyone disagrees with that. But the mini camps (the Loyola snow storm excluded) are actually pretty good. They do a lot of positional training with fantastic coaches and then move to 2 on 2s, 3 on 3s, etc. where they can apply some of the lessons they learned during positional training.

If your son is looking for extra training, this is a pretty good option as long as you understand and accept some of the downsides of the rest of the program.

The Program is one big downside, no upside. The min camps are exactly the same every month, no new training or any type of evaluation on current players or prospective players are ever completed, not to mention that the same mini camp given 2 years ago cost $40 and mini camps given today cost $100 and they are exactly the same, no new added value at all =money scam, buyer beware!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So here’s the problem with dukes. Everyone pay attention - The depth chart comes out for the 24 team. And a kid who had not been to one mini camp in forever. Didn’t go to Florida , didn’t go to the last minicamp even though it was in his home state Is still #4 on the depth chart ahead of kids who always show up. G what is wrong with you? This is why half your philly players will go to brotherly love national team and end up spanking you this summer. If you readers pay attention , I’m really not sure how you can ever give this man a dime

Sounds typical for the Duke's Nationals -Depth Chart, the depth chart is never followed as it is explained to parents and players, who are supposed to be accountable to attend each mini camp and tournament to stay in good standing and keep the players spot on the depth chart but as you explained it is never followed by Dukes management who produce the depth chart with no input from the coaches. The depth chart is just a hammerhead to keep the players interested in attending the next mini camp and the mini camps are just money makers for Dukes nationals management to keep the program afloat. It is a complete scam and the end is near.

G?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The min camps are exactly the same every month, no new training or any type of evaluation on current players or prospective players are ever completed, not to mention that the same mini camp given 2 years ago cost $40 and mini camps given today cost $100 and they are exactly the same, no new added value at all =money scam, buyer beware!!

If you think that there is no benefit to the training (forget the evaluations) then I'm not sure you are paying attention. Mini camps are $60 if you pay in advance which really isn't that bad of an increase. The $100 is clearly there to push people into the package instead of cherry picking which camp to attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The min camps are exactly the same every month, no new training or any type of evaluation on current players or prospective players are ever completed, not to mention that the same mini camp given 2 years ago cost $40 and mini camps given today cost $100 and they are exactly the same, no new added value at all =money scam, buyer beware!!

If you think that there is no benefit to the training (forget the evaluations) then I'm not sure you are paying attention. Mini camps are $60 if you pay in advance which really isn't that bad of an increase. The $100 is clearly there to push people into the package instead of cherry picking which camp to attend.

Why shouldn’t you be able to attend the camps you want to, instead of traveling ridiculous distances? The coaches don’t go, why should the players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why shouldn’t you be able to attend the camps you want to, instead of traveling ridiculous distances? The coaches don’t go, why should the players?

Oooouuuuuucccccchhhh!!

Also, loved seeing what happens when the coaches don't show up. The "Non-Daddy Ball" team had the owner's son shoot up the depth chart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The min camps are exactly the same every month, no new training or any type of evaluation on current players or prospective players are ever completed, not to mention that the same mini camp given 2 years ago cost $40 and mini camps given today cost $100 and they are exactly the same, no new added value at all =money scam, buyer beware!!

If you think that there is no benefit to the training (forget the evaluations) then I'm not sure you are paying attention. Mini camps are $60 if you pay in advance which really isn't that bad of an increase. The $100 is clearly there to push people into the package instead of cherry picking which camp to attend.

You just confirmed my point, it used to be $40 per mini camp pay as you go, know it's a discount at $60 if you pay up front for all the mini camps for the year $600).... giving them the money they are looking for upfront for the mini-camps but if you wait and pay as you go to the mini camps you are penalized and have to pay $100, why would that be?????? let me explain it to you, it's a money maker for the club... no reason people should be penalized because the want to pay as they go, What exactly is the $40 dollar penalty covering...nothing but more money in Dukes Management pocket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The min camps are exactly the same every month, no new training or any type of evaluation on current players or prospective players are ever completed, not to mention that the same mini camp given 2 years ago cost $40 and mini camps given today cost $100 and they are exactly the same, no new added value at all =money scam, buyer beware!!

If you think that there is no benefit to the training (forget the evaluations) then I'm not sure you are paying attention. Mini camps are $60 if you pay in advance which really isn't that bad of an increase. The $100 is clearly there to push people into the package instead of cherry picking which camp to attend.

You just confirmed my point, it used to be $40 per mini camp pay as you go, know it's a discount at $60 if you pay up front for all the mini camps for the year $600).... giving them the money they are looking for upfront for the mini-camps but if you wait and pay as you go to the mini camps you are penalized and have to pay $100, why would that be?????? let me explain it to you, it's a money maker for the club... no reason people should be penalized because the want to pay as they go, What exactly is the $40 dollar penalty covering...nothing but more money in Dukes Management pocket.

If people like the product they will pay even if it doesn't make sense (i.e. 1K for a phone). This is a business and the model above increases profits. People will continue to pay when few alternatives exist. This is changing though. Other clubs are establishing national teams realizing there is a market flush with cash and wiling to hand it over. Stop complaining about Dukes and spend your money on another club. Or better yet, accept the fact that your kids regional team with a la carte development opportunities is all you really need to create the next Rabil. But remember how DNA plays a role. No national team can give your kid better lacrosse genes.

I'm going to assume that being on the Dukes National team means your kid is good enough to play on one of the 3-4 better teams in his grade in your area. Most (or all) of these teams play fall, spring & summer with some optional winter. Why would you feel a middle schooler needs MORE lacrosse? And that you need need to devote more time and money. They are playing a TON and there's a reasonable argument that it's already too much. I know the reply is that my kid loves it. That's great. If he loves it he'll seek out playing and practicing with his friends or on his own. Every good player from any era has a story of where they played wall ball and who they shot around with or had pick up games with. Having constant organized training and team practices/games deprives them of the opportunity to really own their game. If they don't own it they'll walk away eventually.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The min camps are exactly the same every month, no new training or any type of evaluation on current players or prospective players are ever completed, not to mention that the same mini camp given 2 years ago cost $40 and mini camps given today cost $100 and they are exactly the same, no new added value at all =money scam, buyer beware!!

If you think that there is no benefit to the training (forget the evaluations) then I'm not sure you are paying attention. Mini camps are $60 if you pay in advance which really isn't that bad of an increase. The $100 is clearly there to push people into the package instead of cherry picking which camp to attend.

You just confirmed my point, it used to be $40 per mini camp pay as you go, know it's a discount at $60 if you pay up front for all the mini camps for the year $600).... giving them the money they are looking for upfront for the mini-camps but if you wait and pay as you go to the mini camps you are penalized and have to pay $100, why would that be?????? let me explain it to you, it's a money maker for the club... no reason people should be penalized because the want to pay as they go, What exactly is the $40 dollar penalty covering...nothing but more money in Dukes Management pocket.

If people like the product they will pay even if it doesn't make sense (i.e. 1K for a phone). This is a business and the model above increases profits. People will continue to pay when few alternatives exist. This is changing though. Other clubs are establishing national teams realizing there is a market flush with cash and wiling to hand it over. Stop complaining about Dukes and spend your money on another club. Or better yet, accept the fact that your kids regional team with a la carte development opportunities is all you really need to create the next Rabil. But remember how DNA plays a role. No national team can give your kid better lacrosse genes.

National teams are a Joke . People hear the word NATIONAL and open their wallets. The best lacrosse is in the local areas Period. MONEY GRAB!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The min camps are exactly the same every month, no new training or any type of evaluation on current players or prospective players are ever completed, not to mention that the same mini camp given 2 years ago cost $40 and mini camps given today cost $100 and they are exactly the same, no new added value at all =money scam, buyer beware!!

If you think that there is no benefit to the training (forget the evaluations) then I'm not sure you are paying attention. Mini camps are $60 if you pay in advance which really isn't that bad of an increase. The $100 is clearly there to push people into the package instead of cherry picking which camp to attend.

You just confirmed my point, it used to be $40 per mini camp pay as you go, know it's a discount at $60 if you pay up front for all the mini camps for the year $600).... giving them the money they are looking for upfront for the mini-camps but if you wait and pay as you go to the mini camps you are penalized and have to pay $100, why would that be?????? let me explain it to you, it's a money maker for the club... no reason people should be penalized because the want to pay as they go, What exactly is the $40 dollar penalty covering...nothing but more money in Dukes Management pocket.

If people like the product they will pay even if it doesn't make sense (i.e. 1K for a phone). This is a business and the model above increases profits. People will continue to pay when few alternatives exist. This is changing though. Other clubs are establishing national teams realizing there is a market flush with cash and wiling to hand it over. Stop complaining about Dukes and spend your money on another club. Or better yet, accept the fact that your kids regional team with a la carte development opportunities is all you really need to create the next Rabil. But remember how DNA plays a role. No national team can give your kid better lacrosse genes.

If you spent 1k for a phone you are dumber than I thought. Dukes Nationals is a complete scam!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The min camps are exactly the same every month, no new training or any type of evaluation on current players or prospective players are ever completed, not to mention that the same mini camp given 2 years ago cost $40 and mini camps given today cost $100 and they are exactly the same, no new added value at all =money scam, buyer beware!!

If you think that there is no benefit to the training (forget the evaluations) then I'm not sure you are paying attention. Mini camps are $60 if you pay in advance which really isn't that bad of an increase. The $100 is clearly there to push people into the package instead of cherry picking which camp to attend.

You just confirmed my point, it used to be $40 per mini camp pay as you go, know it's a discount at $60 if you pay up front for all the mini camps for the year $600).... giving them the money they are looking for upfront for the mini-camps but if you wait and pay as you go to the mini camps you are penalized and have to pay $100, why would that be?????? let me explain it to you, it's a money maker for the club... no reason people should be penalized because the want to pay as they go, What exactly is the $40 dollar penalty covering...nothing but more money in Dukes Management pocket.

If people like the product they will pay even if it doesn't make sense (i.e. 1K for a phone). This is a business and the model above increases profits. People will continue to pay when few alternatives exist. This is changing though. Other clubs are establishing national teams realizing there is a market flush with cash and wiling to hand it over. Stop complaining about Dukes and spend your money on another club. Or better yet, accept the fact that your kids regional team with a la carte development opportunities is all you really need to create the next Rabil. But remember how DNA plays a role. No national team can give your kid better lacrosse genes.

If you spent 1k for a phone you are dumber than I thought. Dukes Nationals is a complete scam!!

Hey, pump the brakes! I'm on your side! I agree with you. If that makes me dumb then..., oh forget it, don't want to be mean. Hahaha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm going to assume that being on the Dukes National team means your kid is good enough to play on one of the 3-4 better teams in his grade in your area. Most (or all) of these teams play fall, spring & summer with some optional winter. Why would you feel a middle schooler needs MORE lacrosse? And that you need need to devote more time and money. They are playing a TON and there's a reasonable argument that it's already too much. I know the reply is that my kid loves it. That's great. If he loves it he'll seek out playing and practicing with his friends or on his own. Every good player from any era has a story of where they played wall ball and who they shot around with or had pick up games with. Having constant organized training and team practices/games deprives them of the opportunity to really own their game. If they don't own it they'll walk away eventually.

Thank you, voice of reason. Why have you forsaken me for so long? You are 100% correct. MORE lacrosse is not a NEED and in many cases even a WANT. Parents enable this. The new lacrosse norm.

I agree that most youth players are playing too much. But I would suggest that they are not playing enough "quality" lacrosse. If you are playing for your rec program and middle school you are playing too much lacrosse but not enough quality lacrosse. We recently made a change and dropped 2/4 options. My kid was playing:

1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
3. Club Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals

We are dropping:
1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals and replacing with Brotherly Love Nationals.

This leaves 2 out of 4 Just our regular club and Brotherly Love Nationals. We now anticipate our Spring/Summe schedule to be only 1-2 practices a week and the Sunday NXT League. We have literally three more days of family dinners PER week which is amazing. We have actually planned a couple of road trips this Spring as the NXT League is every other week.

We have never done this before, the time commitment is HALF yet I feel like we are picking a quality versus quantity approach. I am not claiming to have the solution but half the lacrosse time commitment yet play better quality....I am optimistic.

Curious as to why you would drop middle school lacrosse. Shouldn't that be a feeder into the high school lacrosse program?

my only question with brotherly love is this, they had evaluations on a friday night, when only local kids could make it, i think they should consider a saturday or sunday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that most youth players are playing too much. But I would suggest that they are not playing enough "quality" lacrosse. If you are playing for your rec program and middle school you are playing too much lacrosse but not enough quality lacrosse. We recently made a change and dropped 2/4 options. My kid was playing:

1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
3. Club Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals

We are dropping:
1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals and replacing with Brotherly Love Nationals.

This leaves 2 out of 4 Just our regular club and Brotherly Love Nationals. We now anticipate our Spring/Summe schedule to be only 1-2 practices a week and the Sunday NXT League. We have literally three more days of family dinners PER week which is amazing. We have actually planned a couple of road trips this Spring as the NXT League is every other week.

We have never done this before, the time commitment is HALF yet I feel like we are picking a quality versus quantity approach. I am not claiming to have the solution but half the lacrosse time commitment yet play better quality....I am optimistic.

So you drop the affordable, community and school programs and keep the club and national? What about the bonding opportunity that's afforded by the school program for kids who will play in HS together? I'm curious to know if you have a bias. What club team do you belong to? I'm a little leery of the saccharine BL posts. Whether you're a BL insider or Dukes hater, you're not objective. I commend BL for expanding the business, but cloak your ads a little better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that most youth players are playing too much. But I would suggest that they are not playing enough "quality" lacrosse. If you are playing for your rec program and middle school you are playing too much lacrosse but not enough quality lacrosse. We recently made a change and dropped 2/4 options. My kid was playing:

1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
3. Club Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals

We are dropping:
1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals and replacing with Brotherly Love Nationals.

This leaves 2 out of 4 Just our regular club and Brotherly Love Nationals. We now anticipate our Spring/Summe schedule to be only 1-2 practices a week and the Sunday NXT League. We have literally three more days of family dinners PER week which is amazing. We have actually planned a couple of road trips this Spring as the NXT League is every other week.

We have never done this before, the time commitment is HALF yet I feel like we are picking a quality versus quantity approach. I am not claiming to have the solution but half the lacrosse time commitment yet play better quality....I am optimistic.

Sounds much better. Brotherly Love is not practicing this summer? What is the regular club team? For me, my son will play middle school because they are introduced to the varsity offense and because its not that long of a commitment. He also plays rec because all of his friends play. Plus, the rec team only has a one hour practice on Saturday and a game on Sunday. Also, Rec and Middle School will be done by June. Then he'll play his club team in the summer. He'll practice 2x a week, play in 5 tournaments and be wrapped up by the second week of July. This really means that the summer vacation is only jammed up for a few weeks. I'm not sure why people want to do multiple club teams. Why not club OR Brotherly Love? Not criticizing... just curious. The two most fun options are always MS and Rec, in my (and my son's) opinion.

Brotherly love nationals made its selection decisions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that most youth players are playing too much. But I would suggest that they are not playing enough "quality" lacrosse. If you are playing for your rec program and middle school you are playing too much lacrosse but not enough quality lacrosse. We recently made a change and dropped 2/4 options. My kid was playing:

1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
3. Club Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals

We are dropping:
1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals and replacing with Brotherly Love Nationals.

This leaves 2 out of 4 Just our regular club and Brotherly Love Nationals. We now anticipate our Spring/Summe schedule to be only 1-2 practices a week and the Sunday NXT League. We have literally three more days of family dinners PER week which is amazing. We have actually planned a couple of road trips this Spring as the NXT League is every other week.

We have never done this before, the time commitment is HALF yet I feel like we are picking a quality versus quantity approach. I am not claiming to have the solution but half the lacrosse time commitment yet play better quality....I am optimistic.

So you drop the affordable, community and school programs and keep the club and national? What about the bonding opportunity that's afforded by the school program for kids who will play in HS together? I'm curious to know if you have a bias. What club team do you belong to? I'm a little leery of the saccharine BL posts. Whether you're a BL insider or Dukes hater, you're not objective. I commend BL for expanding the business, but cloak your ads a little better.

Did BL Natl make its decisions or not? You were notified per #4 above?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that most youth players are playing too much. But I would suggest that they are not playing enough "quality" lacrosse. If you are playing for your rec program and middle school you are playing too much lacrosse but not enough quality lacrosse. We recently made a change and dropped 2/4 options. My kid was playing:

1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
3. Club Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals

We are dropping:
1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals and replacing with Brotherly Love Nationals.

This leaves 2 out of 4 Just our regular club and Brotherly Love Nationals. We now anticipate our Spring/Summe schedule to be only 1-2 practices a week and the Sunday NXT League. We have literally three more days of family dinners PER week which is amazing. We have actually planned a couple of road trips this Spring as the NXT League is every other week.

We have never done this before, the time commitment is HALF yet I feel like we are picking a quality versus quantity approach. I am not claiming to have the solution but half the lacrosse time commitment yet play better quality....I am optimistic.

Mid and Rec don't make up half of the time by a long shot. Your club and natl are year round commitments (remember who your talking to). Are you factoring in all the skill development stuff that you are expected to do with club and natl? rec and mid require no commitment in comparison. Ding, dong, time to wake up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree that most youth players are playing too much. But I would suggest that they are not playing enough "quality" lacrosse. If you are playing for your rec program and middle school you are playing too much lacrosse but not enough quality lacrosse. We recently made a change and dropped 2/4 options. My kid was playing:

1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
3. Club Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals

We are dropping:
1. Middle School Lacrosse
2. Rec Lacrosse
4. Dukes Nationals and replacing with Brotherly Love Nationals.

This leaves 2 out of 4 Just our regular club and Brotherly Love Nationals. We now anticipate our Spring/Summe schedule to be only 1-2 practices a week and the Sunday NXT League. We have literally three more days of family dinners PER week which is amazing. We have actually planned a couple of road trips this Spring as the NXT League is every other week.

We have never done this before, the time commitment is HALF yet I feel like we are picking a quality versus quantity approach. I am not claiming to have the solution but half the lacrosse time commitment yet play better quality....I am optimistic.

So you drop the affordable, community and school programs and keep the club and national? What about the bonding opportunity that's afforded by the school program for kids who will play in HS together? I'm curious to know if you have a bias. What club team do you belong to? I'm a little leery of the saccharine BL posts. Whether you're a BL insider or Dukes hater, you're not objective. I commend BL for expanding the business, but cloak your ads a little better.

Did BL Natl make its decisions or not? You were notified per #4 above?

Oops, someone just got exposed!

Not at all. I was at both tryouts. They had 60 kids between the two and the second one they split into two groups. One group clearly was in and the other was on the bubble. My kid is good, certainly not the best player at his position there; however, at the second tryout they said they were taking 38-40 kids which leaves out 20. My kid is clearly not in the "lesser" 20 group as they kept him with the top group all night. We have played at this same age group both rec and club since my kid was 7 years old I know the better players and my kid is right there.

Yes I drop the school and community programs because: 1. The community program we belong to is awful and falling apart. The coaches for his team have never played the game and really are marginal at best. Yes they are enthusiastic and positive but my kid is in middle school now, he needs to get ready for high school. The Middle School Team is awful with a college kid coaching that is simply in over his head.

I sat down with my kid and reviewed his choices. He bonds with his current club team and has been there for 3 years. He likes this new group at Brotherly Love and has already made some friends. What else is there to it. You may think my post is overly saccharine to BL. However, they do a great job and I don't have any problem commending them and joining them. There are plenty that seem to enjoy bashing this club for their success. I simply am an objective consumer. If I am going to spend a couple of thousand a year for club lacrosse I do my research and make the best possible choice for my kid. My kid currently plays for one of the other established programs that runs tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not at all. I was at both tryouts. They had 60 kids between the two and the second one they split into two groups. One group clearly was in and the other was on the bubble. My kid is good, certainly not the best player at his position there; however, at the second tryout they said they were taking 38-40 kids which leaves out 20. My kid is clearly not in the "lesser" 20 group as they kept him with the top group all night. We have played at this same age group both rec and club since my kid was 7 years old I know the better players and my kid is right there.

Yes I drop the school and community programs because: 1. The community program we belong to is awful and falling apart. The coaches for his team have never played the game and really are marginal at best. Yes they are enthusiastic and positive but my kid is in middle school now, he needs to get ready for high school. The Middle School Team is awful with a college kid coaching that is simply in over his head.

I sat down with my kid and reviewed his choices. He bonds with his current club team and has been there for 3 years. He likes this new group at Brotherly Love and has already made some friends. What else is there to it. You may think my post is overly saccharine to BL. However, they do a great job and I don't have any problem commending them and joining them. There are plenty that seem to enjoy bashing this club for their success. I simply am an objective consumer. If I am going to spend a couple of thousand a year for club lacrosse I do my research and make the best possible choice for my kid. My kid currently plays for one of the other established programs that runs tournaments.

What age group are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not at all. I was at both tryouts. They had 60 kids between the two and the second one they split into two groups. One group clearly was in and the other was on the bubble. My kid is good, certainly not the best player at his position there; however, at the second tryout they said they were taking 38-40 kids which leaves out 20. My kid is clearly not in the "lesser" 20 group as they kept him with the top group all night. We have played at this same age group both rec and club since my kid was 7 years old I know the better players and my kid is right there.

Yes I drop the school and community programs because: 1. The community program we belong to is awful and falling apart. The coaches for his team have never played the game and really are marginal at best. Yes they are enthusiastic and positive but my kid is in middle school now, he needs to get ready for high school. The Middle School Team is awful with a college kid coaching that is simply in over his head.

I sat down with my kid and reviewed his choices. He bonds with his current club team and has been there for 3 years. He likes this new group at Brotherly Love and has already made some friends. What else is there to it. You may think my post is overly saccharine to BL. However, they do a great job and I don't have any problem commending them and joining them. There are plenty that seem to enjoy bashing this club for their success. I simply am an objective consumer. If I am going to spend a couple of thousand a year for club lacrosse I do my research and make the best possible choice for my kid. My kid currently plays for one of the other established programs that runs tournaments.

How about you step up as a man and do something for your community Mr. Dad of the year. It's guys like you that make me laugh. You always say the coaches never played and can't coach. Well why don't you step up and be a big man to help the community out. People like you are the reason community sports leagues are falling apart. You sit there and talk bad about the few guys that want to help out but have {Gary the Gator arms) when it comes to helping out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not at all. I was at both tryouts. They had 60 kids between the two and the second one they split into two groups. One group clearly was in and the other was on the bubble. My kid is good, certainly not the best player at his position there; however, at the second tryout they said they were taking 38-40 kids which leaves out 20. My kid is clearly not in the "lesser" 20 group as they kept him with the top group all night. We have played at this same age group both rec and club since my kid was 7 years old I know the better players and my kid is right there.

Yes I drop the school and community programs because: 1. The community program we belong to is awful and falling apart. The coaches for his team have never played the game and really are marginal at best. Yes they are enthusiastic and positive but my kid is in middle school now, he needs to get ready for high school. The Middle School Team is awful with a college kid coaching that is simply in over his head.

I sat down with my kid and reviewed his choices. He bonds with his current club team and has been there for 3 years. He likes this new group at Brotherly Love and has already made some friends. What else is there to it. You may think my post is overly saccharine to BL. However, they do a great job and I don't have any problem commending them and joining them. There are plenty that seem to enjoy bashing this club for their success. I simply am an objective consumer. If I am going to spend a couple of thousand a year for club lacrosse I do my research and make the best possible choice for my kid. My kid currently plays for one of the other established programs that runs tournaments.

How about you step up as a man and do something for your community Mr. Dad of the year. It's guys like you that make me laugh. You always say the coaches never played and can't coach. Well why don't you step up and be a big man to help the community out. People like you are the reason community sports leagues are falling apart. You sit there and talk bad about the few guys that want to help out but have {Gary the Gator arms) when it comes to helping out.

It's a good point, but maybe he is stepping up in one way or another. The rec and middle school programs really do need help because they are the most accessible programs for those who don't have the time and/or financial resources to participate in club. Most club kids probably start in rec so maintaining that experience opportunity is important. My kid started there and still participates. Despite what some might believe, I've seen some pretty good lacrosse players come from rec programs. How else would they make the cuts for those competitive club teams? And, they can be FUN, a word not mentioned very often in these forums, but one that should be uttered most often for an experience meant for a child.

You my friend know nothing about me and couldn't be more wrong.

I have coached everyone of my 3 kids in lacrosse, basketball, and soccer. I played soccer and lacrosse so I didn't do a bad job there. Basketball, I couldn't hit the side of a barn, yet still helped out since the concepts are similar to lacrosse. These were all for community programs.

However there comes a time when a dad needs to step off the sideline and middle school in my estimation is where that happens. My oldest son now in high school, I noticed that my coaching him caused tension and strained our relationship as we are both competitive type personalities. Best thing I did was stop coaching him. There is nothing wrong with saying that you are no longer "the man" for the job. There is nothing wrong with also doing a frank assessment of your kids middle school athletic programs sponsored by community, rec, club, or whomever and making a decision as to what is best for them. My son is a pretty good player, do I think he is elite, absolutely not but if I am going to spend 1,000's of dollars, commute all over the place, take up valuable family time....darn right I am going to have some level of expectation as to the coaching and the caliber of play.

Wouldn't you do the same for academics? Would yout accept a subpar school and curriculum with teachers that were incompetent. Would you let your kid continue in a math class offered by a school where the teacher struggled with algebra and didn't really know what they were doing. I think not.

So again my premature ejaculator spewing advice and judgment you know nothing about me and my volunteer time so climb back into your cubicle and be bitter at the world.

It's a good point, but maybe he is stepping up in one way or another. The rec and middle school programs really do need help because they are the most accessible programs for those who don't have the time and/or financial resources to participate in club. Most club kids probably start in rec so maintaining that experience opportunity is important. My kid started there and still participates. Despite what some might believe, I've seen some pretty good lacrosse players come from rec programs. How else would they make the cuts for those competitive club teams? And, they can be FUN, a word not mentioned very often in these forums, but one that should be uttered most often for an experience meant for a child.[/quote]

I have not only seen some pretty good players I have seen great players from rec programs but to become a really good player rec alone with middle school will NOT get you there. Rec is a great place to start and middle school can be fun but there isn't a kid out there playing today at an elite level that got to where they are by playing rec alone. No doubt there is a need for rec ball but to become a high school/college caliber player one needs to play club at some level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You my friend know nothing about me and couldn't be more wrong.

I have coached everyone of my 3 kids in lacrosse, basketball, and soccer. I played soccer and lacrosse so I didn't do a bad job there. Basketball, I couldn't hit the side of a barn, yet still helped out since the concepts are similar to lacrosse. These were all for community programs.

However there comes a time when a dad needs to step off the sideline and middle school in my estimation is where that happens. My oldest son now in high school, I noticed that my coaching him caused tension and strained our relationship as we are both competitive type personalities. Best thing I did was stop coaching him. There is nothing wrong with saying that you are no longer "the man" for the job. There is nothing wrong with also doing a frank assessment of your kids middle school athletic programs sponsored by community, rec, club, or whomever and making a decision as to what is best for them. My son is a pretty good player, do I think he is elite, absolutely not but if I am going to spend 1,000's of dollars, commute all over the place, take up valuable family time....darn right I am going to have some level of expectation as to the coaching and the caliber of play.

Wouldn't you do the same for academics? Would yout accept a subpar school and curriculum with teachers that were incompetent. Would you let your kid continue in a math class offered by a school where the teacher struggled with algebra and didn't really know what they were doing. I think not.

So again my premature ejaculator spewing advice and judgment you know nothing about me and my volunteer time so climb back into your cubicle and be bitter at the world.

Wow that's a lot to explain yourself. Like I said you are the guy that's too good for your community and talk bad rather than do something. How about you take over the program and charge a bit more to hie some qualified coaches. I mean you have all of the answers. Good luck with your little star, why even deal with MS. You should have him go down to the HS and tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You my friend know nothing about me and couldn't be more wrong.

I have coached everyone of my 3 kids in lacrosse, basketball, and soccer. I played soccer and lacrosse so I didn't do a bad job there. Basketball, I couldn't hit the side of a barn, yet still helped out since the concepts are similar to lacrosse. These were all for community programs.

However there comes a time when a dad needs to step off the sideline and middle school in my estimation is where that happens. My oldest son now in high school, I noticed that my coaching him caused tension and strained our relationship as we are both competitive type personalities. Best thing I did was stop coaching him. There is nothing wrong with saying that you are no longer "the man" for the job. There is nothing wrong with also doing a frank assessment of your kids middle school athletic programs sponsored by community, rec, club, or whomever and making a decision as to what is best for them. My son is a pretty good player, do I think he is elite, absolutely not but if I am going to spend 1,000's of dollars, commute all over the place, take up valuable family time....darn right I am going to have some level of expectation as to the coaching and the caliber of play.

Wouldn't you do the same for academics? Would yout accept a subpar school and curriculum with teachers that were incompetent. Would you let your kid continue in a math class offered by a school where the teacher struggled with algebra and didn't really know what they were doing. I think not.

So again my premature ejaculator spewing advice and judgment you know nothing about me and my volunteer time so climb back into your cubicle and be bitter at the world.

You've obviously thought this out and I'm not going to criticize any one's personal decisions. However, if your son, along with some of the other quality and experienced players, didn't turn away from the middle school team it's possible that it could produce better quality. Same with rec, but I think once MS sports hit many people decide to leave the rec team and just play MS. It allows the boys to bond with the players who they will spend most of their playing time over the next 5 years. I know you said that he already made friendships and bonded with the players on BL, but honestly, that is probably hyperbole since it was only 2 tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You my friend know nothing about me and couldn't be more wrong.

I have coached everyone of my 3 kids in lacrosse, basketball, and soccer. I played soccer and lacrosse so I didn't do a bad job there. Basketball, I couldn't hit the side of a barn, yet still helped out since the concepts are similar to lacrosse. These were all for community programs.

However there comes a time when a dad needs to step off the sideline and middle school in my estimation is where that happens. My oldest son now in high school, I noticed that my coaching him caused tension and strained our relationship as we are both competitive type personalities. Best thing I did was stop coaching him. There is nothing wrong with saying that you are no longer "the man" for the job. There is nothing wrong with also doing a frank assessment of your kids middle school athletic programs sponsored by community, rec, club, or whomever and making a decision as to what is best for them. My son is a pretty good player, do I think he is elite, absolutely not but if I am going to spend 1,000's of dollars, commute all over the place, take up valuable family time....darn right I am going to have some level of expectation as to the coaching and the caliber of play.

Wouldn't you do the same for academics? Would yout accept a subpar school and curriculum with teachers that were incompetent. Would you let your kid continue in a math class offered by a school where the teacher struggled with algebra and didn't really know what they were doing. I think not.

So again my premature ejaculator spewing advice and judgment you know nothing about me and my volunteer time so climb back into your cubicle and be bitter at the world.

Wow that's a lot to explain yourself. Like I said you are the guy that's too good for your community and talk bad rather than do something. How about you take over the program and charge a bit more to hie some qualified coaches. I mean you have all of the answers. Good luck with your little star, why even deal with MS. You should have him go down to the HS and tryout.

Not at all my unemployed friend. What's it like having your spouse bring home the bacon. Unlike you I work for a living and provide for my family. I don't have any interest in coaching a MS team or a MS age rec team and that doesn't make me a bad person or anti-community. Also didn't say I have all the answers, just have more answers than you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not at all. I was at both tryouts. They had 60 kids between the two and the second one they split into two groups. One group clearly was in and the other was on the bubble. My kid is good, certainly not the best player at his position there; however, at the second tryout they said they were taking 38-40 kids which leaves out 20. My kid is clearly not in the "lesser" 20 group as they kept him with the top group all night. We have played at this same age group both rec and club since my kid was 7 years old I know the better players and my kid is right there.

Yes I drop the school and community programs because: 1. The community program we belong to is awful and falling apart. The coaches for his team have never played the game and really are marginal at best. Yes they are enthusiastic and positive but my kid is in middle school now, he needs to get ready for high school. The Middle School Team is awful with a college kid coaching that is simply in over his head.

I sat down with my kid and reviewed his choices. He bonds with his current club team and has been there for 3 years. He likes this new group at Brotherly Love and has already made some friends. What else is there to it. You may think my post is overly saccharine to BL. However, they do a great job and I don't have any problem commending them and joining them. There are plenty that seem to enjoy bashing this club for their success. I simply am an objective consumer. If I am going to spend a couple of thousand a year for club lacrosse I do my research and make the best possible choice for my kid. My kid currently plays for one of the other established programs that runs tournaments.

How about you step up as a man and do something for your community Mr. Dad of the year. It's guys like you that make me laugh. You always say the coaches never played and can't coach. Well why don't you step up and be a big man to help the community out. People like you are the reason community sports leagues are falling apart. You sit there and talk bad about the few guys that want to help out but have {Gary the Gator arms) when it comes to helping out.

It's a good point, but maybe he is stepping up in one way or another. The rec and middle school programs really do need help because they are the most accessible programs for those who don't have the time and/or financial resources to participate in club. Most club kids probably start in rec so maintaining that experience opportunity is important. My kid started there and still participates. Despite what some might believe, I've seen some pretty good lacrosse players come from rec programs. How else would they make the cuts for those competitive club teams? And, they can be FUN, a word not mentioned very often in these forums, but one that should be uttered most often for an experience meant for a child.

That is my point. My son plays club and really should not be playing Rec but he has friends there and he has to deal with adversity (some kids can't play) I explained to him that he cannot complain and quit but should use this as a opportunity to step up and be a leader and work on things he does not get to work on in club lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not at all. I was at both tryouts. They had 60 kids between the two and the second one they split into two groups. One group clearly was in and the other was on the bubble. My kid is good, certainly not the best player at his position there; however, at the second tryout they said they were taking 38-40 kids which leaves out 20. My kid is clearly not in the "lesser" 20 group as they kept him with the top group all night. We have played at this same age group both rec and club since my kid was 7 years old I know the better players and my kid is right there.

Yes I drop the school and community programs because: 1. The community program we belong to is awful and falling apart. The coaches for his team have never played the game and really are marginal at best. Yes they are enthusiastic and positive but my kid is in middle school now, he needs to get ready for high school. The Middle School Team is awful with a college kid coaching that is simply in over his head.

I sat down with my kid and reviewed his choices. He bonds with his current club team and has been there for 3 years. He likes this new group at Brotherly Love and has already made some friends. What else is there to it. You may think my post is overly saccharine to BL. However, they do a great job and I don't have any problem commending them and joining them. There are plenty that seem to enjoy bashing this club for their success. I simply am an objective consumer. If I am going to spend a couple of thousand a year for club lacrosse I do my research and make the best possible choice for my kid. My kid currently plays for one of the other established programs that runs tournaments.

How about you step up as a man and do something for your community Mr. Dad of the year. It's guys like you that make me laugh. You always say the coaches never played and can't coach. Well why don't you step up and be a big man to help the community out. People like you are the reason community sports leagues are falling apart. You sit there and talk bad about the few guys that want to help out but have {Gary the Gator arms) when it comes to helping out.

It's a good point, but maybe he is stepping up in one way or another. The rec and middle school programs really do need help because they are the most accessible programs for those who don't have the time and/or financial resources to participate in club. Most club kids probably start in rec so maintaining that experience opportunity is important. My kid started there and still participates. Despite what some might believe, I've seen some pretty good lacrosse players come from rec programs. How else would they make the cuts for those competitive club teams? And, they can be FUN, a word not mentioned very often in these forums, but one that should be uttered most often for an experience meant for a child.

That is my point. My son plays club and really should not be playing Rec but he has friends there and he has to deal with adversity (some kids can't play) I explained to him that he cannot complain and quit but should use this as a opportunity to step up and be a leader and work on things he does not get to work on in club lax.

I'd argue that he SHOULD be playing Rec BECAUSE he has friends there and has to deal with adversity. Some kids can't play like Nelson and Jason couldn't play last year on the our local football team. How'd that turn out? He!! no he shouldn't quit! Learn and help develop those around you. Can't can become can with the right attitude and effort. Club lax has its place, but I think it's wrong to undervalue the positive aspects of Rec and school. Let's not be so arrogant.

Why on earth are we talking about rec on Dukes page? I get what you are saying about needed parents for rec teams to build community but there is a reason why kids stop playing rec.(or at least mine) MOSTLY BECAUSE MY SON KNEW MORE ABOUT THE GAME THAN HIS COACHES.

So your son is too good for rec ball? Wow.

Why shouldn't he be playing rec ball?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on earth are we talking about rec on Dukes page? I get what you are saying about needed parents for rec teams to build community but there is a reason why kids stop playing rec.(or at least mine) MOSTLY BECAUSE MY SON KNEW MORE ABOUT THE GAME THAN HIS COACHES.

To answer your question, we are talking about rec because people on this thread are basically saying that Dukes and the like make rec unnecessary and irrelevant when, in fact, rec programs are great feeders for and supplement the club experience in a less intense environment. Kids get good exercise, blow off steam and even sharpen their skills in rec even if the kid has greater lax acumen than the coach. Will you not let your son play wall ball because the wall can't teach him. How about face off speed drills. What does the grass know? Give me a break! Of course you can't make your kids rec experience meaningful with the attitude you have. Of course we can't discuss the countless examples of players who were successful even with rec comprising most of their experience. Point me to the link where I can share it and I'll give you something to read.

Yes as a matter of fact.. He has friends who play on our local team and my son will go a support his friends but there is a clear difference. Yes I am a current Duke National player. And this difference will come out when our kids play HS lax. Where the line is there from only rec players from the kids who play club? My son did play rec as I stated before but he out grew his team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on earth are we talking about rec on Dukes page? I get what you are saying about needed parents for rec teams to build community but there is a reason why kids stop playing rec.(or at least mine) MOSTLY BECAUSE MY SON KNEW MORE ABOUT THE GAME THAN HIS COACHES.

I am sure he did, it was probably more that he THOUGHT he new more than his coaches and stopped listening to them a long time ago right about the time you started telling him he was the best lacrosse players out on the field and started questioning him about if he still wanted to play rec lacrosse.

My son isn't the best on his team but playing at a club level keeps him hungry. That's my point. I don't blow up my kids head believe me but when I found out that our rec coach watches youtube videos. Come on........I'm not speaking for ALL rec coaches I speaking from experience so if you don't play for the Dukes then get off the forum. Have fun on rec!

Outgrew his team? Like he weighs 300lbs as a 12 year old and they don’t have a uniform for him? Most of the local req A teams are really good. WC, LYA, Garnet Valley..
heck Garnet Valleys U14 team could beat loads of travel teams...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son isn't the best on his team but playing at a club level keeps him hungry. That's my point. I don't blow up my kids head believe me but when I found out that our rec coach watches youtube videos. Come on........I'm not speaking for ALL rec coaches I speaking from experience so if you don't play for the Dukes then get off the forum. Have fun on rec!

My son doesn’t play for Dukes but we’re considering it. I’m checking out the posts on here and I’m not getting a great impression. Is there another forum for the club? Can someone tell me why my son should try to play for Dukes? We’re new to pa.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son isn't the best on his team but playing at a club level keeps him hungry. That's my point. I don't blow up my kids head believe me but when I found out that our rec coach watches youtube videos. Come on........I'm not speaking for ALL rec coaches I speaking from experience so if you don't play for the Dukes then get off the forum. Have fun on rec!

My son doesn’t play for Dukes but we’re considering it. I’m checking out the posts on here and I’m not getting a great impression. Is there another forum for the club? Can someone tell me why my son should try to play for Dukes? We’re new to pa.

Where do you live? What year is your kid? Where did he play before? What position, and how good is your kid (B,A,AA, Elite)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son isn't the best on his team but playing at a club level keeps him hungry. That's my point. I don't blow up my kids head believe me but when I found out that our rec coach watches youtube videos. Come on........I'm not speaking for ALL rec coaches I speaking from experience so if you don't play for the Dukes then get off the forum. Have fun on rec!

My son doesn’t play for Dukes but we’re considering it. I’m checking out the posts on here and I’m not getting a great impression. Is there another forum for the club? Can someone tell me why my son should try to play for Dukes? We’re new to pa.

National team at 12 . Means nothing money grab.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son isn't the best on his team but playing at a club level keeps him hungry. That's my point. I don't blow up my kids head believe me but when I found out that our rec coach watches youtube videos. Come on........I'm not speaking for ALL rec coaches I speaking from experience so if you don't play for the Dukes then get off the forum. Have fun on rec!

My son doesn’t play for Dukes but we’re considering it. I’m checking out the posts on here and I’m not getting a great impression. Is there another forum for the club? Can someone tell me why my son should try to play for Dukes? We’re new to pa.

Where do you live? What year is your kid? Where did he play before? What position, and how good is your kid (B,A,AA, Elite)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son isn't the best on his team but playing at a club level keeps him hungry. That's my point. I don't blow up my kids head believe me but when I found out that our rec coach watches youtube videos. Come on........I'm not speaking for ALL rec coaches I speaking from experience so if you don't play for the Dukes then get off the forum. Have fun on rec!

My son doesn’t play for Dukes but we’re considering it. I’m checking out the posts on here and I’m not getting a great impression. Is there another forum for the club? Can someone tell me why my son should try to play for Dukes? We’re new to pa.

Where do you live? What year is your kid? Where did he play before? What position, and how good is your kid (B,A,AA, Elite)?

Western Philly suburb, 2022, doesn’t matter, middie, AA to elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son isn't the best on his team but playing at a club level keeps him hungry. That's my point. I don't blow up my kids head believe me but when I found out that our rec coach watches youtube videos. Come on........I'm not speaking for ALL rec coaches I speaking from experience so if you don't play for the Dukes then get off the forum. Have fun on rec!

My son doesn’t play for Dukes but we’re considering it. I’m checking out the posts on here and I’m not getting a great impression. Is there another forum for the club? Can someone tell me why my son should try to play for Dukes? We’re new to pa.

I'll be glad to share my kids experience and let you decide on your own. The good: if you are above the travel line you get to travel with the team to a variety of out of state locations for tournaments, which my kid enjoyed. The mini camps were pretty good, instruction was fundamentally sound and when they were $40 it was relatively cheap compared to other available training. I also like how they emphasized the importance of education and getting good grades and held a banquet to honor kids who excelled academically. Now for the bad, the depth chart was a complete joke, my kid decided not to play on the team ymdmand missed at least 3-4mini camps before his name was removed, the directors claim they base the depth chart from mini camp evaluations. Obviously this was not the case. Secondly after making the travel line and showing up at a tournament, other kids who were not on the team or attended any mini camps mysteriously appeared all dressed to play, and play they did. Usually more playing time than the kids on depth chart. Parents were not informed nor was there any explanation of why these kids were there. We all realized afterwards they were either invited to help the team win or they were trying out for the team, which was unfair to the kids that worked hard to be at the tournament and for the parents who shelled out a [ChillLaxin] load of money. Then there were the coaches kids who saw a tremendous amount of playing time and never got criticized or pulled from the field for bad play. Oh and the banquet, again pretty much granted to a certain few hand picked kids, was let down for my kid who had a perfect report card but never got acknowledged. Haven't been with organization for a few yrs but sounds like things have not changed much. Guess it all depends on what your kid is looking for. In my opinion, if you're looking for some extra stick time for your kid in addition to another full time lax program than this might work for him, as long as your willing to put up with the bs depth chart and alot of other not so genuine aspects of management.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son isn't the best on his team but playing at a club level keeps him hungry. That's my point. I don't blow up my kids head believe me but when I found out that our rec coach watches youtube videos. Come on........I'm not speaking for ALL rec coaches I speaking from experience so if you don't play for the Dukes then get off the forum. Have fun on rec!

My son doesn’t play for Dukes but we’re considering it. I’m checking out the posts on here and I’m not getting a great impression. Is there another forum for the club? Can someone tell me why my son should try to play for Dukes? We’re new to pa.

Where do you live? What year is your kid? Where did he play before? What position, and how good is your kid (B,A,AA, Elite)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son isn't the best on his team but playing at a club level keeps him hungry. That's my point. I don't blow up my kids head believe me but when I found out that our rec coach watches youtube videos. Come on........I'm not speaking for ALL rec coaches I speaking from experience so if you don't play for the Dukes then get off the forum. Have fun on rec!

My son doesn’t play for Dukes but we’re considering it. I’m checking out the posts on here and I’m not getting a great impression. Is there another forum for the club? Can someone tell me why my son should try to play for Dukes? We’re new to pa.

Where do you live? What year is your kid? Where did he play before? What position, and how good is your kid (B,A,AA, Elite)?

Western Philly suburb, 2022, doesn’t matter, middie, AA to elite.

Look into Freedom. Best 2022 team in town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

if you're looking for some extra stick time for your kid in addition to another full time lax program than this might work for him, as long as your willing to put up with the bs depth chart and alot of other not so genuine aspects of management.

^^^This^^^

Thanks for the feedback. I don't think I'd want to put up with the depth chart issue, favoritism, and the management issues. It seems like extra stick time is the only draw and all clubs offer that. I'm going to look into Freedom and some of the other options for him. I do like the academic excellence component though, but not enough to overcome the other things. My son is academically motivated anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the feedback. I don't think I'd want to put up with the depth chart issue, favoritism, and the management issues. It seems like extra stick time is the only draw and all clubs offer that. I'm going to look into Freedom and some of the other options for him. I do like the academic excellence component though, but not enough to overcome the other things. My son is academically motivated anyway.

Good choice looking in Freedom, great coaches and nice families. The Academic excellence has disappeared along with the rest of the program. Dukes management no longer request reports cards from the players or host the Annual banquet to recognize the Academic athletes that the program is always marketing. The program has gone down hill and is not worth time/money or the aggravation it causes with the BS that is shoveled by management.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the feedback. I don't think I'd want to put up with the depth chart issue, favoritism, and the management issues. It seems like extra stick time is the only draw and all clubs offer that. I'm going to look into Freedom and some of the other options for him. I do like the academic excellence component though, but not enough to overcome the other things. My son is academically motivated anyway.

Good choice looking in Freedom, great coaches and nice families. The Academic excellence has disappeared along with the rest of the program. Dukes management no longer request reports cards from the players or host the Annual banquet to recognize the Academic athletes that the program is always marketing. The program has gone down hill and is not worth time/money or the aggravation it causes with the BS that is shoveled by management.

Dukes Thread, RIP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the feedback. I don't think I'd want to put up with the depth chart issue, favoritism, and the management issues. It seems like extra stick time is the only draw and all clubs offer that. I'm going to look into Freedom and some of the other options for him. I do like the academic excellence component though, but not enough to overcome the other things. My son is academically motivated anyway.

Good choice looking in Freedom, great coaches and nice families. The Academic excellence has disappeared along with the rest of the program. Dukes management no longer request reports cards from the players or host the Annual banquet to recognize the Academic athletes that the program is always marketing. The program has gone down hill and is not worth time/money or the aggravation it causes with the BS that is shoveled by management.

Dukes Thread, RIP.

2022 dad here. My son loves this team and the kids on it. He's been on the team for almost two years and while there have been changes, all the changes have been positive. Not every game, camp, event is perfect nor is it meant to be. Same with life. No my son hasn't turned in a report card- but his grades are his to own. No he didn't go to summer banquet- and he doesn't care. He does care about the lacrosse, the coaches, friends and families that show up and compete every month and doesnt care at all about who is the best, what other clubs are doing or who is playing where. Its just competitive youth lacrosse for fun. There will always be more kids that don't make it than do and therefore more families looking for something else. Its all OK. G is a good man that works hard at his craft. Dukes is a great organization and I am glad to be a part of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the feedback. I don't think I'd want to put up with the depth chart issue, favoritism, and the management issues. It seems like extra stick time is the only draw and all clubs offer that. I'm going to look into Freedom and some of the other options for him. I do like the academic excellence component though, but not enough to overcome the other things. My son is academically motivated anyway.

Good choice looking in Freedom, great coaches and nice families. The Academic excellence has disappeared along with the rest of the program. Dukes management no longer request reports cards from the players or host the Annual banquet to recognize the Academic athletes that the program is always marketing. The program has gone down hill and is not worth time/money or the aggravation it causes with the BS that is shoveled by management.

Dukes Thread, RIP.

2022 dad here. My son loves this team and the kids on it. He's been on the team for almost two years and while there have been changes, all the changes have been positive. Not every game, camp, event is perfect nor is it meant to be. Same with life. No my son hasn't turned in a report card- but his grades are his to own. No he didn't go to summer banquet- and he doesn't care. He does care about the lacrosse, the coaches, friends and families that show up and compete every month and doesnt care at all about who is the best, what other clubs are doing or who is playing where. Its just competitive youth lacrosse for fun. There will always be more kids that don't make it than do and therefore more families looking for something else. Its all OK. G is a good man that works hard at his craft. Dukes is a great organization and I am glad to be a part of it.

Obviously written by Dukes management. The 2022 may be in good shape but the rest of the teams are a complete disaster and I am not sure anyone would agree that Dukes national management is good and work hard at there craft..more like the Duke's management likes money and wants more of it!!!

Looking forward to another amazing Duke's Nationals mini camp at Univ of Penn this weekend with at least 300 players coming. Don't miss it, it's going to be great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking forward to another amazing Duke's Nationals mini camp at Univ of Penn this weekend with at least 300 players coming. Don't miss it, it's going to be great.

I'm looking forward to watching my son thrive, despite the fact that I'm saving money by not sending him to another, superfluous skill building opportunity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking forward to another amazing Duke's Nationals mini camp at Univ of Penn this weekend with at least 300 players coming. Don't miss it, it's going to be great.

I'm looking forward to watching my son thrive, despite the fact that I'm saving money by not sending him to another, superfluous skill building opportunity.

the promotion for this is so sad.

I’m looking forward to the day where people take their head out of their ass and realize G is a fraud!!! Dukes is a huge huge waste of money. The lies and deception are horrific. Guy should be shut down

Which Dukes team will be in Delaware Sunday to face LI express? Nationals? Koopers? Big match up to start the year. Can’t see Dukes winning this one.

Where are the 23 and 24’s? 2025 won’t win a game.

Those coaches are gonna have their hands full evaluating 300 kids in a 3 hr period

Dukes won

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 23 and 24’s? 2025 won’t win a game.

Absolutely right! They didn't win a game. They won 2 games.

G won't put the 23s or 24s up against Phila area teams that will kill them thereby destroying the illusion that he has an elite team.

there is no comparison between Brotherly Love and Dukes Nationals. BL is run by gentlemen with a genuine interest in player development and fielding a winning team while DN is run by a tyrant like egomaniac who only wants to get your money and pretend he runs a quality program. he has changed this roster and pricing model a half dozen times in the past year. That program will not be around in a year so save your money if you are considering joining or up for renewal. G is a fraud

G a good man. you are either Jesus or G himself. Please he is a fraud

Originally Posted by Anonymous

G won't put the 23s or 24s up against Phila area teams that will kill them thereby destroying the illusion that he has an elite team.

Who hasn't the 23 team played and beaten?

Is Dukes providing the most enjoyable and rewarding experience for its players? Is that what wins means? Do the talented kids win because of Dukes or despite Dukes? I wonder if they could win and have a better experience elsewhere?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Dukes providing the most enjoyable and rewarding experience for its players? Is that what wins means? Do the talented kids win because of Dukes or despite Dukes? I wonder if they could win and have a better experience elsewhere?

Yes

He can't bc most of the players are from a good philly team...Freedom (I'm speaking for the 2023s)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He can't bc most of the players are from a good philly team...Freedom (I'm speaking for the 2023s)

Agreed, Dukes Nationals 2023 best players all play on Local Philly club teams (Freedom/Mesa/HHH) and Dukes National would not be able to field a 2023 team if they wanted to play any local Philly clubs/tournaments because all the Dukes Nationals players would be playing for their Philly clubs instead of Duke's Nationals that day. Plus Dukes National Management never put the team in any competitive tournaments they only play in tournaments they know they can win by a large margin over each team to be able to promote the train wreck of program it really is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He can't bc most of the players are from a good philly team...Freedom (I'm speaking for the 2023s)

Agreed, Dukes Nationals 2023 best players all play on Local Philly club teams (Freedom/Mesa/HHH) and Dukes National would not be able to field a 2023 team if they wanted to play any local Philly clubs/tournaments because all the Dukes Nationals players would be playing for their Philly clubs instead of Duke's Nationals that day. Plus Dukes National Management never put the team in any competitive tournaments they only play in tournaments they know they can win by a large margin over each team to be able to promote the train wreck of program it really is.

Any good teams in the event they played in the fall?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/publ...rnament=h2016120616263836363306fb49a5140

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He can't bc most of the players are from a good philly team...Freedom (I'm speaking for the 2023s)

Agreed, Dukes Nationals 2023 best players all play on Local Philly club teams (Freedom/Mesa/HHH) and Dukes National would not be able to field a 2023 team if they wanted to play any local Philly clubs/tournaments because all the Dukes Nationals players would be playing for their Philly clubs instead of Duke's Nationals that day. Plus Dukes National Management never put the team in any competitive tournaments they only play in tournaments they know they can win by a large margin over each team to be able to promote the train wreck of program it really is.

Any good teams in the event they played in the fall?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/publ...rnament=h2016120616263836363306fb49a5140

Agree, the schedule is always soft for that team, that's why they always win. Thanks for the link to confirm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Any good teams in the event they played in the fall?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/publ...rnament=h2016120616263836363306fb49a5140

Nope. Just some crappy Maryland clubs. B-level teams at best.

Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

Wow!! Now it's $100, this guys cost has easily quadrupled the cost of inflation...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

What a joke of a promotion this is; this club is a total money grab scam filled with empty promises and an absolute disgrace of an evaluation process. G brings in who he wants to be on the teams; the mini-camps mean nothing and is a simple money maker so don't waste your time. Still waiting for equipment we paid for over a year ago!!! LMAO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

Dukes Nationals is a trash club. You would be crazy to give them a dollar. I've never been so disappointed in a lax experience in my life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

Dukes Nationals is a trash club. You would be crazy to give them a dollar. I've never been so disappointed in a lax experience in my life.

There will be a lot of kids leaving the club at the end of this year due to all the BS associated with it how it is run by G.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

Dukes Nationals is a trash club. You would be crazy to give them a dollar. I've never been so disappointed in a lax experience in my life.

There will be a lot of kids leaving the club at the end of this year due to all the BS associated with it how it is run by G.

You're probably correct but unfortunately there will be those kids who attend the mini camps that will fill those vacant spots

Only one week left to register, sign up now....Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sure you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only one week left to register, sign up now....Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sure you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

It may have started as the "premier national team" but greed and arrogance have lead to its complete and total demise. Please don't be taken in by this garbage. Unfortunately we came in near the end of what seemed like a great program only to realize just how much of G's promises are all a smokescreen for his money grabbing. So many empty promises and undelivered (literally) things. Total shame. Or is it total sham?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only one week left to register, sign up now....Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sure you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

Don't waste the time, or the money.

Only one day left to register, sign up now or pay late fee ($30) at camp to register....Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sure you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only one day left to register, sign up now or pay late fee ($30) at camp to register....Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sure you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

In all honesty it may have been the weakest of all the camps my son has attended for the 2023's. We left before it ended but this team is quickly losing players and I just heard the HC has been replaced yet again. Unless something changes drastically this team is in for a long summer.

Who's the new 2023 coach? I wasn't able to make camp...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In all honesty it may have been the weakest of all the camps my son has attended for the 2023's. We left before it ended but this team is quickly losing players and I just heard the HC has been replaced yet again. Unless something changes drastically this team is in for a long summer.

Probably shouldn't have scheduled it during Passover

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In all honesty it may have been the weakest of all the camps my son has attended for the 2023's. We left before it ended but this team is quickly losing players and I just heard the HC has been replaced yet again. Unless something changes drastically this team is in for a long summer.

Probably shouldn't have scheduled it during Passover

or when the WSL qualifiers are going on for the north and east.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In all honesty it may have been the weakest of all the camps my son has attended for the 2023's. We left before it ended but this team is quickly losing players and I just heard the HC has been replaced yet again. Unless something changes drastically this team is in for a long summer.

Probably shouldn't have scheduled it during Passover

or when the WSL qualifiers are going on for the north and east.

When ignorance and arrogance combine the net result is not positive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

or when the WSL qualifiers are going on for the north and east.

WSL is 13U - surely you don't believe any 2023 Duke's players are eligible!

Don't think thats what the poster meant. I think poster meant scheduling

Quick question to any parent of a Duke's Nationals players, all you read about on this site is about the depth chart (good and bad) and how important it is that the players on the teams are above the travel line to be able to play. What exactly is Duke's management saying when it posts stuff like "It's not about your status on the Depth Chart. It's about mindset" on Instagram as a noted direct quote from the director of the program? Does the depth chart not matter anymore or is it better to not worry about the depth chart and have a better mindset and that will get the players in. Very confusing message I would think for the players on the depth chart that are told that the depth chart is all that matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quick question to any parent of a Duke's Nationals players, all you read about on this site is about the depth chart (good and bad) and how important it is that the players on the teams are above the travel line to be able to play. What exactly is Duke's management saying when it posts stuff like "It's not about your status on the Depth Chart. It's about mindset" on Instagram as a noted direct quote from the director of the program? Does the depth chart not matter anymore or is it better to not worry about the depth chart and have a better mindset and that will get the players in. Very confusing message I would think for the players on the depth chart that are told that the depth chart is all that matters.

You should probably pose that question on a different age group forum 2023 pretty much now defunct.

There is at least one 2023 verified eligible Duke headed to Denver

Hi! No one gives a .....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quick question to any parent of a Duke's Nationals players, all you read about on this site is about the depth chart (good and bad) and how important it is that the players on the teams are above the travel line to be able to play. What exactly is Duke's management saying when it posts stuff like "It's not about your status on the Depth Chart. It's about mindset" on Instagram as a noted direct quote from the director of the program? Does the depth chart not matter anymore or is it better to not worry about the depth chart and have a better mindset and that will get the players in. Very confusing message I would think for the players on the depth chart that are told that the depth chart is all that matters.

Here is the best answer to your question. The depth chart is used to get kids to commit to attending a tournament. Once at the tournament and all fees have been paid the depth chart is tossed to the side and a bunch of outside players are brought in while your depth chart kid sits most of the game on the sidelines, unless he's a stud and then he never comes off the field. The only mindset the dukes organization cares about is your commitment to investing your hard earned money in their sinking program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quick question to any parent of a Duke's Nationals players, all you read about on this site is about the depth chart (good and bad) and how important it is that the players on the teams are above the travel line to be able to play. What exactly is Duke's management saying when it posts stuff like "It's not about your status on the Depth Chart. It's about mindset" on Instagram as a noted direct quote from the director of the program? Does the depth chart not matter anymore or is it better to not worry about the depth chart and have a better mindset and that will get the players in. Very confusing message I would think for the players on the depth chart that are told that the depth chart is all that matters.

Here is the best answer to your question. The depth chart is used to get kids to commit to attending a tournament. Once at the tournament and all fees have been paid the depth chart is tossed to the side and a bunch of outside players are brought in while your depth chart kid sits most of the game on the sidelines, unless he's a stud and then he never comes off the field. The only mindset the dukes organization cares about is your commitment to investing your hard earned money in their sinking program.

And for everyone who thinks the minicamp fees are outrageous, we have come to realize that the tournament fees are even more ridiculous. That would be why these weak tournaments get added for a $150-250 fee in place of play days where the costs are only be covering ref fees and a lot harder to hide overcharging. We went to a tournament in the fall where we had plenty of kids some of whom were below the "travel line" and got charged $150 for it. Just doing the general math here, I'm pretty sure that tournament's registration fee wasn't $3,000.

Beach Brine $200-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Brine $200-

Brine beach lax costs $995 to enter an entire team. Why would you pay $200 to play in it? Are they only bringing 5 kids?

My ignorance...I had no idea...ugh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Brine $200-

Brine beach lax costs $995 to enter an entire team. Why would you pay $200 to play in it? Are they only bringing 5 kids?

They have to pay coaches and their travel expenses, plus make a profit for the business. You can't expect the actual fees to be the same as if you entered on your own. However, there is a difference between making a profit and being a pig. They're still being pigs and overcharging significantly. If you figured $1,000 for the coach and his expensed and $1,000 for the club, that's only $80 more per player assuming 20 players. Should be around $120 pp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Brine $200-

Brine beach lax costs $995 to enter an entire team. Why would you pay $200 to play in it? Are they only bringing 5 kids?

They have to pay coaches and their travel expenses, plus make a profit for the business. You can't expect the actual fees to be the same as if you entered on your own. However, there is a difference between making a profit and being a pig. They're still being pigs and overcharging significantly. If you figured $1,000 for the coach and his expensed and $1,000 for the club, that's only $80 more per player assuming 20 players. Should be around $120 pp.

Why should players have to cover travel expenses for coaches?? I don't get paid for travel expenses when I go to work. It is their job right??? They don't volunteer, pay them for coaching the game, the rest is on them,.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Brine $200-

Brine beach lax costs $995 to enter an entire team. Why would you pay $200 to play in it? Are they only bringing 5 kids?

They have to pay coaches and their travel expenses, plus make a profit for the business. You can't expect the actual fees to be the same as if you entered on your own. However, there is a difference between making a profit and being a pig. They're still being pigs and overcharging significantly. If you figured $1,000 for the coach and his expensed and $1,000 for the club, that's only $80 more per player assuming 20 players. Should be around $120 pp.

Why should players have to cover travel expenses for coaches?? I don't get paid for travel expenses when I go to work. It is their job right??? They don't volunteer, pay them for coaching the game, the rest is on them,.

Many jobs cover travel expenses for employees when the work requires travel outside the employee's home region. That is the norm.

Who is coaching the 23 team now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Brine $200-

Brine beach lax costs $995 to enter an entire team. Why would you pay $200 to play in it? Are they only bringing 5 kids?

They have to pay coaches and their travel expenses, plus make a profit for the business. You can't expect the actual fees to be the same as if you entered on your own. However, there is a difference between making a profit and being a pig. They're still being pigs and overcharging significantly. If you figured $1,000 for the coach and his expensed and $1,000 for the club, that's only $80 more per player assuming 20 players. Should be around $120 pp.

Why should players have to cover travel expenses for coaches?? I don't get paid for travel expenses when I go to work. It is their job right??? They don't volunteer, pay them for coaching the game, the rest is on them,.

Many jobs cover travel expenses for employees when the work requires travel outside the employee's home region. That is the norm.

Seriously. I would assume that MOST employers who require their employees to travel subsidize that travel. It's not like they're getting money per mile to drive to practices, they're getting their hotel paid for and maybe some kind of money for meals during a tournament weekend. And given the greed everyone's talking about with DN, I'd be willing to bet those coaches are NOT getting $1000 per tournament + travel expenses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is coaching the 23 team now?

Does it matter? G calls the shots, the program has become a joke, the Travel Lines mean nothing; it is a total money grab.

New 23 depth chart out--funny seeing a kid who isn't even on the team anymore above kids who are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New 23 depth chart out--funny seeing a kid who isn't even on the team anymore above kids who are.

It's a complete joke, at least 5 kids listed on the depth chart are no longer playing for the team and are all above the travel line.

Must need players for the May tournameny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must need players for the May tournameny

I'm confused..or stupid(LOL) but how does keeping kids not on teamon the chart get more players for May tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must need players for the May tournameny

I'm confused..or stupid(LOL) but how does keeping kids not on teamon the chart get more players for May tournament?

The 2023 team is in complete disarray; take it from a parent who has a son on the team. What is being said is correct; the depth chart really means nothing. If kids can't make a tournament they just ask kids who are below the Travel Line or just bring kids in period. Communication is absolutely non-existent; we don't even know who the HC is at this moment. Anyone else still waiting on equipment they were promised 10 months ago? The quality of the mini-camps has gone down since we joined the team; they are a complete money grab. Trust me your kid isn't going to make the team unless the coaches specifically brought them in and there is huge bias for certain players; they don't show up for mini-camps but consistently maintain their spot on the roster. This will be our last year with the team and I can say this will be true for many others who feel the same way I do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must need players for the May tournameny

I'm confused..or stupid(LOL) but how does keeping kids not on teamon the chart get more players for May tournament?

The 2023 team is in complete disarray; take it from a parent who has a son on the team. What is being said is correct; the depth chart really means nothing. If kids can't make a tournament they just ask kids who are below the Travel Line or just bring kids in period. Communication is absolutely non-existent; we don't even know who the HC is at this moment. Anyone else still waiting on equipment they were promised 10 months ago? The quality of the mini-camps has gone down since we joined the team; they are a complete money grab. Trust me your kid isn't going to make the team unless the coaches specifically brought them in and there is huge bias for certain players; they don't show up for mini-camps but consistently maintain their spot on the roster. This will be our last year with the team and I can say this will be true for many others who feel the same way I do.

I'm on the 2023 team also and I'm hoping to make to the high school team (fingers crossed). (some kids have already BTW) When we first joined I read this forum and I thought people were just ragging on DN, parents of kids who weren't above the travel line and lately I see what this forum is about. 2023 is fall apart! Any word on coach?

Why bother? The HS teams aren’t very good anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why bother? The HS teams aren’t very good anymore.

That certainly is not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must need players for the May tournameny

I'm confused..or stupid(LOL) but how does keeping kids not on teamon the chart get more players for May tournament?

The 2023 team is in complete disarray; take it from a parent who has a son on the team. What is being said is correct; the depth chart really means nothing. If kids can't make a tournament they just ask kids who are below the Travel Line or just bring kids in period. Communication is absolutely non-existent; we don't even know who the HC is at this moment. Anyone else still waiting on equipment they were promised 10 months ago? The quality of the mini-camps has gone down since we joined the team; they are a complete money grab. Trust me your kid isn't going to make the team unless the coaches specifically brought them in and there is huge bias for certain players; they don't show up for mini-camps but consistently maintain their spot on the roster. This will be our last year with the team and I can say this will be true for many others who feel the same way I do.

The 2022 rankings were very bad also.

totally agree with the above. it is a clear bait and switch scheme. taking money from new families, letting them hang above the travel line for a few months then offering spots to new kids and new money bumping those families that are not one of G's buddies. Total joke and waste of time. Travel Line means nothing; the suggestion that they are looking for boys whose grades are also about average is a bigger joke. In the two years we were involved we were never asked for grades. All a big con. Don't fall for it.

We are playing in the same tournament this summer that DN is looking for $175.00 and we are paying $125.00. Guess G needs extra cash for all his nasty habits

STAY CLEAR OF DUKES NATIONALS!!!

MOST OTHER teams pay for coaches and coaches travel. there is no justification for the overcharging that Dukes Nationals charges. By the way, I know of some coaches that have not been paid and stuck with their own hotel bills. surprised? Not when G is involved.
Don't get sucked into the Dukes Nationals web of lies.

Are all the teams in this much disarray? or is just the 2023 team? If so why? Are there enough players for May camp in Boston if not how do I get my money back?

Oh I'm sure there'll be kids there to play the minicamp/tournament. Sure as heck won't be the caliber of team that won it last year or even the year before, but G will get his tournament royalties. You can bank on that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are all the teams in this much disarray? or is just the 2023 team? If so why? Are there enough players for May camp in Boston if not how do I get my money back?

I am not sure about the other teams but the 2023 team is completely done. Management ruined what was a very good team. Management will get new kids to supplement the players who have left with promises of the "National Brand". Good luck getting any money back, people are still looking for the banquet money we paid back in August 2017 and have had no stink luck and most players are still due equipment from order placed last August that was paid for as well. Do not pay for the equipment order,the equipment promised is cheap and a joke, definitely not worth the 600-700 paid for it. Get out if you can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are all the teams in this much disarray? or is just the 2023 team? If so why? Are there enough players for May camp in Boston if not how do I get my money back?

Good luck getting your money back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is coaching the 23 team now?

Not sure who is coaching the 2023 yet, the team has no communication with players it's a complete joke, plus the 2023 has lost all the good close defenders on the team, they will not fare well up in Boston. Don't think they will repeat as champs. Probably not worth the time and money to travel to Boston on memorial day weekend. We will not be going to frustrated with this club and not spending anymore money on it, my kid is out.

What ashame...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is coaching the 23 team now?

Not sure who is coaching the 2023 yet, the team has no communication with players it's a complete joke, plus the 2023 has lost all the good close defenders on the team, they will not fare well up in Boston. Don't think they will repeat as champs. Probably not worth the time and money to travel to Boston on memorial day weekend. We will not be going to frustrated with this club and not spending anymore money on it, my kid is out.

Completely agree; my kid is out as well. I am not sure they will be able to field a team; what was once a great team last year has completely fallen apart.

Dukes 2023 should have gotten rid of the two Daddy Ball coaches years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 should have gotten rid of the two Daddy Ball coaches years ago.

Hard to do that when he owns the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are all the teams in this much disarray? or is just the 2023 team? If so why? Are there enough players for May camp in Boston if not how do I get my money back?

Good luck getting your money back

Can't be good, they send out emails daily to 2023s that are not part of the program. No idea how they got my email.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 should have gotten rid of the two Daddy Ball coaches years ago.

Not true at all, you have no clue what you are talking about. The two coaches actually coached and cared about the team and the players. Best coaches the team every had and the team went down hill fast after coaches and their kids were let go from the team. Classy move by Dukes National management.

Not a good sign.

Why does Dukes have its own thread?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does Dukes have its own thread?

Because there are so many issues (mostly money). Kids are promised the world and each month its about money. I am still a DN parent but my eyes are wide open. My son still loves it.
So with every new recruit, their parents question and ask the same things about depth chart blah blah blah and past parents speak from experience of how they got burned by program.

I'd like to hear from a reasonable DN parent (possibly one who has had a son play for another club team in the past), as I have a question: Are the costs associated with DN in line with what they offer? Seems to me, traveling to some great D1 lax locations for clinics (Loyola, Duke, Rutgers, etc), along with playing in tournaments and, I'm guessing, other scrimmage/clinic opportunities and a depth chart is a solid way to keep (serious about club) players motivated while enjoying different venues. I get that the depth chart scenario doesn't seem like it's being implemented correctly (if what I've read is true), but it looks like the overall program is solid. For the record, I'm the parent of a 2025 club player, but I keep my eyes open on the different clubs in Philly. The cost at the 2025 level, for my son, has started in the hundreds and has moved to the low thousands, but with that have come more options throughout the year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'd like to hear from a reasonable DN parent (possibly one who has had a son play for another club team in the past), as I have a question: Are the costs associated with DN in line with what they offer? Seems to me, traveling to some great D1 lax locations for clinics (Loyola, Duke, Rutgers, etc), along with playing in tournaments and, I'm guessing, other scrimmage/clinic opportunities and a depth chart is a solid way to keep (serious about club) players motivated while enjoying different venues. I get that the depth chart scenario doesn't seem like it's being implemented correctly (if what I've read is true), but it looks like the overall program is solid. For the record, I'm the parent of a 2025 club player, but I keep my eyes open on the different clubs in Philly. The cost at the 2025 level, for my son, has started in the hundreds and has moved to the low thousands, but with that have come more options throughout the year.

Since you asked, My son had been with the program since inception and I can tell you the coasts associated with DN is not in line with what they offer. Originally the program's team/depth chart and cost (pay as you go) was good. The program at the start was reasonably priced (to me), $295 registration fee for the year, $40 mini camps (pay as you go) and tournament fees for the tournaments the players attended. Now $600 for team registration/ equipment package per year, you do not have a choice not to get the equipment package and the equipment is terrible, cheap and over priced, not to mention never received by players. The mini camps are now $100 if you decide to pay as you go or you can pay $600 up front for 10 mini-camps (money grab), the problem is the camps have not increased in value at all if anything they have decreased, to many kids and the coaching is a joke. My son had NEVER received an evaluation from any mini camp in over three years and was always above the line on the depth chart. The depth chart has never actually been implemented as described by G. The coaches of the teams never have a say in the depth chart even though G says they do. G makes whatever decisions on the depth charts that he wants regardless of the players commitment, playing ability or grades as he preaches. I definitely don't think the value is worth it, the program has turned into a complete money grab not to mention the overcharging of the players on the tournaments fees. This is just one parents observations and comments, others may differ.

i think the costs are in line , the mini camps are usually fun, i would say the biggest issue is not the cost, or the venues, the biggest issue quite frankly is the effort , money and time parents put into getting their kids to these events, its a huge slap in the face and a disappointment when you drive up to Boston and find out your coach is not there and someone else who has no idea who your kid is running the lines, with no idea of the depth chart . or you see 5 kids that have never ever been there take time from your kid, its really all of those things . truth is, it is a great idea, National team, extra tourneys , but it has to be run correctly and this is not

R.I.P. Dukes Nationals

With no real feeder program now is this the end of the line for Dukes as well? Concept made loads of sense to keep the older teams flush with talent but like with Dukes South you have to put the right person in charge

Is anyone going to Boston for Dukes Nationals tournament and mini camp? I am hearing half of the 2023 team quite and people do not think they will be able to field a full team plus I don't think anyone actually knows who the coach is anymore. Not sure it's worth the money or time to go to Boston on Memorial day weekend, traffic is going to be terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone going to Boston for Dukes Nationals tournament and mini camp? I am hearing half of the 2023 team quite and people do not think they will be able to field a full team plus I don't think anyone actually knows who the coach is anymore. Not sure it's worth the money or time to go to Boston on Memorial day weekend, traffic is going to be terrible.

Save your money and time, unless you are going to watch the NCAA anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone going to Boston for Dukes Nationals tournament and mini camp? I am hearing half of the 2023 team quite and people do not think they will be able to field a full team plus I don't think anyone actually knows who the coach is anymore. Not sure it's worth the money or time to go to Boston on Memorial day weekend, traffic is going to be terrible.

Save your money and time, unless you are going to watch the NCAA anyway.

I'm 2023 and I am not. So much traffic and rooms are expensive. I heard the same thing-some of the boys have left. Wonder who? No coach? So why would I go Boston to play with kids who are below travel line.

And the DEATH BLOW to DUKES. 2022 is dead. Coach quit, kids followed, parents had enough of the lies and robbery.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And the DEATH BLOW to DUKES. 2022 is dead. Coach quit, kids followed, parents had enough of the lies and robbery.

About time. Long Island knew long ago Dukes Club was a joke. Glad to hear Maryland got their act together. Great group of kids on that 22 team. Nice dad-coach and great families. Maybe you get with coopers and come play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone going to Boston for Dukes Nationals tournament and mini camp? I am hearing half of the 2023 team quite and people do not think they will be able to field a full team plus I don't think anyone actually knows who the coach is anymore. Not sure it's worth the money or time to go to Boston on Memorial day weekend, traffic is going to be terrible.

Save your money and time, unless you are going to watch the NCAA anyway.

I'm 2023 and I am not. So much traffic and rooms are expensive. I heard the same thing-some of the boys have left. Wonder who? No coach? So why would I go Boston to play with kids who are below travel line.

If you are a member of the 2023 team, you would know that your coach is still there. He communicated with all families that he will be in Boston.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone going to Boston for Dukes Nationals tournament and mini camp? I am hearing half of the 2023 team quite and people do not think they will be able to field a full team plus I don't think anyone actually knows who the coach is anymore. Not sure it's worth the money or time to go to Boston on Memorial day weekend, traffic is going to be terrible.

Save your money and time, unless you are going to watch the NCAA anyway.

I'm 2023 and I am not. So much traffic and rooms are expensive. I heard the same thing-some of the boys have left. Wonder who? No coach? So why would I go Boston to play with kids who are below travel line.

If you are a member of the 2023 team, you would know that your coach is still there. He communicated with all families that he will be in Boston.

Great hes coming to run the box. He hasn’t been there in months

Dukes Nationals top 2022 Attackman quits and took all his friends and Dad Coach with him. No loyalty. They will never recover.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals top 2022 Attackman quits and took all his friends and Dad Coach with him. No loyalty. They will never recover.

Good for them. Dukes is a scam. Dukes has zero loyalty to its players. Just $$$

Were did they go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Were did they go?

nowhere they just tossed the dukes out and gave hm his cheap gear back and said cya later. they will probably just call themselvs coopers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone going to Boston for Dukes Nationals tournament and mini camp? I am hearing half of the 2023 team quite and people do not think they will be able to field a full team plus I don't think anyone actually knows who the coach is anymore. Not sure it's worth the money or time to go to Boston on Memorial day weekend, traffic is going to be terrible.

Save your money and time, unless you are going to watch the NCAA anyway.

I'm 2023 and I am not. So much traffic and rooms are expensive. I heard the same thing-some of the boys have left. Wonder who? No coach? So why would I go Boston to play with kids who are below travel line.

If you are a member of the 2023 team, you would know that your coach is still there. He communicated with all families that he will be in Boston.

If you are a member of the 2023 team you will know the problem is he always communicates but never shows up to the events to coach, as I said early no coach...

What about dukes/koopers 2022 team playing in MD spring league. looks like koopers kids showed up but no dukes players and they had to forfeit the game. is that team now done you think?

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

What about dukes/koopers 2022 team playing in MD spring league. looks like koopers kids showed up but no dukes players and they had to forfeit the game. is that team now done you think?

No just dukes is done. the kids are all moving on and playing together. they only forfeited bc they had a bunch of players out and some conflicts. they still won the game just had to borrow a goalie and thems the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

What about dukes/koopers 2022 team playing in MD spring league. looks like koopers kids showed up but no dukes players and they had to forfeit the game. is that team now done you think?

No just dukes is done. the kids are all moving on and playing together. they only forfeited bc they had a bunch of players out and some conflicts. they still won the game just had to borrow a goalie and thems the rules.

Dukes National '22 is showing as playing in Naptown. Is the team dead?

What's funny is that all you haters of Dukes were once bragging to your friends about having a kid on the team. Go get a life and tell your little ball hogs to get some real lacrosse IQ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's funny is that all you haters of Dukes were once bragging to your friends about having a kid on the team. Go get a life and tell your little ball hogs to get some real lacrosse IQ.

What a stupid comment. Get a clue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's funny is that all you haters of Dukes were once bragging to your friends about having a kid on the team. Go get a life and tell your little ball hogs to get some real lacrosse IQ.

SOMEBODY is a little upset. Without the Kooper's kids that supposedly left the Dukes team, they will struggle to beat most of the top club teams. That's a big advantage for Koopers 2022 because now they can claim a legit 2022 team and their stronger players can focus on a sound club team without having to prop up the Duke's 2022 team. Dukes was an interesting concept, but they were slightly overrated for an "All Star" type team and it only really helped to inflate the ego's of the less talented players and their parents(ie: the guy melting down in the previous post^^). Most of the top club teams would thump Dukes if they could add 2-3 chosen ringers from another local club each game. Not a great investment just to enable "bragging rights" for people who would be quickly replaced if some of the other top talent decided to play for that team. Toss in some shady business practices and some kids below the "travel line" are finally getting a call to action!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's funny is that all you haters of Dukes were once bragging to your friends about having a kid on the team. Go get a life and tell your little ball hogs to get some real lacrosse IQ.

Good luck with the next team G...

Is Dukes 2022 still playing in NY tournament this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's funny is that all you haters of Dukes were once bragging to your friends about having a kid on the team. Go get a life and tell your little ball hogs to get some real lacrosse IQ.

Good luck with the next team G...

2023's not far behind....I'm a 23 and this team is sinking!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

What about dukes/koopers 2022 team playing in MD spring league. looks like koopers kids showed up but no dukes players and they had to forfeit the game. is that team now done you think?

No just dukes is done. the kids are all moving on and playing together. they only forfeited bc they had a bunch of players out and some conflicts. they still won the game just had to borrow a goalie and thems the rules.

How do these rumors even start? That team is completely intact and only forfeited because of a ton of kids not being able to come for various reasons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Dukes 2022 still playing in NY tournament this weekend?

MDSpring league/HOCO playoffs are this weekend too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's funny is that all you haters of Dukes were once bragging to your friends about having a kid on the team. Go get a life and tell your little ball hogs to get some real lacrosse IQ.

Good luck with the next team G...

2023's not far behind....I'm a 23 and this team is sinking!!!!!

2023 team is Sinking very fast, jump now...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's funny is that all you haters of Dukes were once bragging to your friends about having a kid on the team. Go get a life and tell your little ball hogs to get some real lacrosse IQ.

Good luck with the next team G...

2023's not far behind....I'm a 23 and this team is sinking!!!!!

2023 team is Sinking very fast, jump now...

And how do I jump? I paid for the year...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote]And how do I jump? I paid for the year...

Ouch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And how do I jump? I paid for the year...

Ouch
[/quote]

Sorry to hear that, good luck!!

Does the 2023 Team have enough players for the Boston Trip? Not much communication on SI Play other than an occasional reminder from the ghost coach that Boston is a week away. I am trying to remember when the last time I actually saw him at a mini-camp or tournament? I am beginning to think this is a complete waste of time and energy........and money.

Hey G when you read this can you maybe give us an update as to what the heck is going on? And where are the gloves?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And how do I jump? I paid for the year...

Ouch

Sorry to hear that, good luck!![/quote]

IRS has a code that you can use to write it off as a loss.

GTOOKMYMONEY2018

Don't worry G is using all your money to fund his Emmaus youth Lacrosse club that is competing year round now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the 2023 Team have enough players for the Boston Trip? Not much communication on SI Play other than an occasional reminder from the ghost coach that Boston is a week away. I am trying to remember when the last time I actually saw him at a mini-camp or tournament? I am beginning to think this is a complete waste of time and energy........and money.

Hey G when you read this can you maybe give us an update as to what the heck is going on? And where are the gloves?

You will definitely be disappointed.

[quote=Anonymous]Don't worry G is using all your money to fund his Emmaus youth Lacrosse club that is competing year round now[/quote
Really??I'm so disappointed. I just looked up this program and G's bro is a head coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

What about dukes/koopers 2022 team playing in MD spring league. looks like koopers kids showed up but no dukes players and they had to forfeit the game. is that team now done you think?

No just dukes is done. the kids are all moving on and playing together. they only forfeited bc they had a bunch of players out and some conflicts. they still won the game just had to borrow a goalie and thems the rules.

How do these rumors even start? That team is completely intact and only forfeited because of a ton of kids not being able to come for various reasons

So then, the team isn’t intact? Ton of kids not showing up makes a team intact?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And how do I jump? I paid for the year...

Ouch

Sorry to hear that, good luck!!

IRS has a code that you can use to write it off as a loss.

GTOOKMYMONEY2018[/quote]

Good to know, I can use it on my taxes next year

G and EB are calling around tryng to find players for their teams and people are telling them no. They have lied to so many now and lying about their players and coaches. They lost every game last weekend. They have taken peoples money and used kids. They are not wanted or welcome.

Where did they play last weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did they play last weekend?

blatant

he called to offer a free spot for returning to 22 team. no way would ever go back. they are poisonous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

he called to offer a free spot for returning to 22 team. no way would ever go back. they are poisonous.

got the same call for my son on the 2023, should be a fun trip to Boston for Duke's Nationals it will be interesting to see the outcome of the games. We are complete done with this program, a complete scam and money making operation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

he called to offer a free spot for returning to 22 team. no way would ever go back. they are poisonous.

got the same call for my son on the 2023, should be a fun trip to Boston for Duke's Nationals it will be interesting to see the outcome of the games. We are complete done with this program, a complete scam and money making operation.

They will still win easily all B teams in the tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

he called to offer a free spot for returning to 22 team. no way would ever go back. they are poisonous.

got the same call for my son on the 2023, should be a fun trip to Boston for Duke's Nationals it will be interesting to see the outcome of the games. We are complete done with this program, a complete scam and money making operation.

They will still win easily all B teams in the tournament

We are here and barely no anyone; definitely have kids that are either below the travel line or just were never in the team. Just saw the 4 team bracket; what a complete waste of our time. This program is an absolute disgrace.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

he called to offer a free spot for returning to 22 team. no way would ever go back. they are poisonous.

got the same call for my son on the 2023, should be a fun trip to Boston for Duke's Nationals it will be interesting to see the outcome of the games. We are complete done with this program, a complete scam and money making operation.

They will still win easily all B teams in the tournament

We are here and barely no anyone; definitely have kids that are either below the travel line or just were never in the team. Just saw the 4 team bracket; what a complete waste of our time. This program is an absolute disgrace.

Maybe no one there because the tryout is until 6:00 tonight and you post 12 hours early.

Tryout? They Are in Boston to play a tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout? They Are in Boston to play a tournament

Not as many at mini camp as in the past but still a good turnout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout? They Are in Boston to play a tournament

If you pick up your phone and go to there website the first thing that pops up is a big screen shot about this weekend. In big writing it says “tryouts”. May 26th in Foxboro. After that, they are in a tournament.

Sitting here watching the 2023 team play a bunch of C team; this is how my family is spending Memorial Day weekend. This is the competition a National Team is playing now? This is what I signed my son up for? This will be our last tournament; complete waste of time.

You too can spend money to participate in tournaments where you win 21-3. What kind of arsehats let their youth team score 21 against another youth team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sitting here watching the 2023 team play a bunch of C team; this is how my family is spending Memorial Day weekend. This is the competition a National Team is playing now? This is what I signed my son up for? This will be our last tournament; complete waste of time.

Have to play each month or G don’t get paid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sitting here watching the 2023 team play a bunch of C team; this is how my family is spending Memorial Day weekend. This is the competition a National Team is playing now? This is what I signed my son up for? This will be our last tournament; complete waste of time.

You shouldn’t be in this tournament and your not a 2023 team. 1. your a national team pulling from multiple states playing against local travel teams. 2. Your playing 1-2 years down (before you reply, you are, we don’t name kids names here but the lacrosse world is small and it can’t be hidden any longer). You all must be very proud outscoring teams 48-6 today. By the end of tomorrow, at this pace, you will probably out score 75-8. Congrats to dukes, the NCAA futures champions. You can now post this on your website for future advertising.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sitting here watching the 2023 team play a bunch of C team; this is how my family is spending Memorial Day weekend. This is the competition a National Team is playing now? This is what I signed my son up for? This will be our last tournament; complete waste of time.

Have to play each month or G don’t get paid

None of our games was remotely competitive and guess what? We get to play them again tomorrow for a “championship”. It’s actully embarrassing to be here as a National Team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sitting here watching the 2023 team play a bunch of C team; this is how my family is spending Memorial Day weekend. This is the competition a National Team is playing now? This is what I signed my son up for? This will be our last tournament; complete waste of time.

You shouldn’t be in this tournament and your not a 2023 team. 1. your a national team pulling from multiple states playing against local travel teams. 2. Your playing 1-2 years down (before you reply, you are, we don’t name kids names here but the lacrosse world is small and it can’t be hidden any longer). You all must be very proud outscoring teams 48-6 today. By the end of tomorrow, at this pace, you will probably out score 75-8. Congrats to dukes, the NCAA futures champions. You can now post this on your website for future advertising.

I still for the life of me can't figure out why they don't choose to play up a division? One i'm sure many are older, two its just what top teams use to do.

Originally Posted by LaxPa2014

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sitting here watching the 2023 team play a bunch of C team; this is how my family is spending Memorial Day weekend. This is the competition a National Team is playing now? This is what I signed my son up for? This will be our last tournament; complete waste of time.

You shouldn’t be in this tournament and your not a 2023 team. 1. your a national team pulling from multiple states playing against local travel teams. 2. Your playing 1-2 years down (before you reply, you are, we don’t name kids names here but the lacrosse world is small and it can’t be hidden any longer). You all must be very proud outscoring teams 48-6 today. By the end of tomorrow, at this pace, you will probably out score 75-8. Congrats to dukes, the NCAA futures champions. You can now post this on your website for future advertising.

I still for the life of me can't figure out why they don't choose to play up a division? One i'm sure many are older, two its just what top teams use to do.

They should at least play cross overs. Team 91 Titans is a 24 national team and a WSYL Qualifier and Victor is a decent upstate NY team.....not that the games would be close but possibly more competitive and at least playing different teams. Tournaments need to learn to adapt to the competition level that shows up....

There is no learning or advantage that comes from playing that tournament. I am speaking from experience as my son was previously on that team and we made the trip the last two times. It is a shame because the core group of kids who comprised that team from the beginning are slowly dwindling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no learning or advantage that comes from playing that tournament. I am speaking from experience as my son was previously on that team and we made the trip the last two times. It is a shame because the core group of kids who comprised that team from the beginning are slowly dwindling.

Dukes is about cycling players thru for money. Its not about the players learning. The core group of kids are gone because they are better than Dukes has to offer. The only Duke that matters is in Durham.

Originally Posted by LaxPa2014

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sitting here watching the 2023 team play a bunch of C team; this is how my family is spending Memorial Day weekend. This is the competition a National Team is playing now? This is what I signed my son up for? This will be our last tournament; complete waste of time.

You shouldn’t be in this tournament and your not a 2023 team. 1. your a national team pulling from multiple states playing against local travel teams. 2. Your playing 1-2 years down (before you reply, you are, we don’t name kids names here but the lacrosse world is small and it can’t be hidden any longer). You all must be very proud outscoring teams 48-6 today. By the end of tomorrow, at this pace, you will probably out score 75-8. Congrats to dukes, the NCAA futures champions. You can now post this on your website for future advertising.

I still for the life of me can't figure out why they don't choose to play up a division? One i'm sure many are older, two its just what top teams use to do.

In order for the 2023 team to play up a division, they technically would have to play in 2021. They would not do so well and it would not be good for business. And yes your 2023 is made up of 80% 2022 kids, we all know who they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no learning or advantage that comes from playing that tournament. I am speaking from experience as my son was previously on that team and we made the trip the last two times. It is a shame because the core group of kids who comprised that team from the beginning are slowly dwindling.

Dukes is about cycling players thru for money. Its not about the players learning. The core group of kids are gone because they are better than Dukes has to offer. The only Duke that matters is in Durham.

Exactly, very well said. The entire program is built around money, the noted team sayings as per G, commitment to the team, Superior student athletes are all false, as long as parents are paying and buying into the lies it keeps the bank full for G. I know, I bought into it for two years and it was a complete waste of time and money. It was my own fault but I hope this blog helps other people out and they do not make the same mistake.

Another stellar tournament for the Dukes Nationals 2023 at Beach Lax coming up. Some tough competition against the likes of South River, Cavalier and Lax Factory!!! Murderers Row for a National Team; I just don't know if they will be able to compete against those teams; I hope my sarcasm is coming through.

After this passed weekends debacle; did anyone see G fighting with the coach from LI, Beach Lax is just another nail in the coffin for this "ELITE TEAM"? Way to represent coach!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After this passed weekends debacle; did anyone see G fighting with the coach from LI, Beach Lax is just another nail in the coffin for this "ELITE TEAM"? Way to represent coach!!

You mean the coach who made the obnoxious parent apologize to all the Duke's dads while eating a cruller from Dunkin Donuts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After this passed weekends debacle; did anyone see G fighting with the coach from LI, Beach Lax is just another nail in the coffin for this "ELITE TEAM"? Way to represent coach!!

You mean the coach who made the obnoxious parent apologize to all the Duke's dads while eating a cruller from Dunkin Donuts?

Yes that’s what happened, that makes sense. I thought you Dukes guys are about scholarship, better get back to the drawing board. Might be hard since you sound like the 23 dukes dad that bought his outfit that morning at the Ducks Dynasty Souvenir store. Get it right your a Duke not a Duck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After this passed weekends debacle; did anyone see G fighting with the coach from LI, Beach Lax is just another nail in the coffin for this "ELITE TEAM"? Way to represent coach!!

You mean the coach who made the obnoxious parent apologize to all the Duke's dads while eating a cruller from Dunkin Donuts?

I need more context. This sounds interesting but is really confusing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another stellar tournament for the Dukes Nationals 2023 at Beach Lax coming up. Some tough competition against the likes of South River, Cavalier and Lax Factory!!! Murderers Row for a National Team; I just don't know if they will be able to compete against those teams; I hope my sarcasm is coming through.

After this passed weekends debacle; did anyone see G fighting with the coach from LI, Beach Lax is just another nail in the coffin for this "ELITE TEAM"? Way to represent coach!!

When is Dukes Nationals ever going to play in a real tournament, Beach Lax this weekend, what a joke. G do you think you might be able to find a real quality tournament for our kids with all the money we pay?? I think the players deserve a chance to play against good teams and not blow out every team they play especially since they are noted as "The Nations most talented youth Players" on the website. Just a quick question how exactly do you promote the teams as the Nations most talented youth players, is there a list I missed that had Dukes Nationals as #1 in the nation??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Another stellar tournament for the Dukes Nationals 2023 at Beach Lax coming up. Some tough competition against the likes of South River, Cavalier and Lax Factory!!! Murderers Row for a National Team; I just don't know if they will be able to compete against those teams; I hope my sarcasm is coming through.

After this passed weekends debacle; did anyone see G fighting with the coach from LI, Beach Lax is just another nail in the coffin for this "ELITE TEAM"? Way to represent coach!!

When is Dukes Nationals ever going to play in a real tournament, Beach Lax this weekend, what a joke. G do you think you might be able to find a real quality tournament for our kids with all the money we pay?? I think the players deserve a chance to play against good teams and not blow out every team they play especially since they are noted as "The Nations most talented youth Players" on the website. Just a quick question how exactly do you promote the teams as the Nations most talented youth players, is there a list I missed that had Dukes Nationals as #1 in the nation??[/quote

Yo started real we’re pretending to be a parent. Then you exposed Yourself at the end. Anyway, Dukes needs these blow out to promote themselves as a winner every year. Can’t blame the owner if the tournaments keep taking him. I would have everyteam forget against them when they show up, espicsllg what they did at NCAA futures.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another stellar tournament for the Dukes Nationals 2023 at Beach Lax coming up. Some tough competition against the likes of South River, Cavalier and Lax Factory!!! Murderers Row for a National Team; I just don't know if they will be able to compete against those teams; I hope my sarcasm is coming through.

After this passed weekends debacle; did anyone see G fighting with the coach from LI, Beach Lax is just another nail in the coffin for this "ELITE TEAM"? Way to represent coach!!

When is Dukes Nationals ever going to play in a real tournament, Beach Lax this weekend, what a joke. G do you think you might be able to find a real quality tournament for our kids with all the money we pay?? I think the players deserve a chance to play against good teams and not blow out every team they play especially since they are noted as "The Nations most talented youth Players" on the website. Just a quick question how exactly do you promote the teams as the Nations most talented youth players, is there a list I missed that had Dukes Nationals as #1 in the nation??

This tournament is usually much more competitive. $995 to enter a team, what did you pay?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another stellar tournament for the Dukes Nationals 2023 at Beach Lax coming up. Some tough competition against the likes of South River, Cavalier and Lax Factory!!! Murderers Row for a National Team; I just don't know if they will be able to compete against those teams; I hope my sarcasm is coming through.

After this passed weekends debacle; did anyone see G fighting with the coach from LI, Beach Lax is just another nail in the coffin for this "ELITE TEAM"? Way to represent coach!!

When is Dukes Nationals ever going to play in a real tournament, Beach Lax this weekend, what a joke. G do you think you might be able to find a real quality tournament for our kids with all the money we pay?? I think the players deserve a chance to play against good teams and not blow out every team they play especially since they are noted as "The Nations most talented youth Players" on the website. Just a quick question how exactly do you promote the teams as the Nations most talented youth players, is there a list I missed that had Dukes Nationals as #1 in the nation??

This tournament is usually much more competitive. $995 to enter a team, what did you pay?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another stellar tournament for the Dukes Nationals 2023 at Beach Lax coming up. Some tough competition against the likes of South River, Cavalier and Lax Factory!!! Murderers Row for a National Team; I just don't know if they will be able to compete against those teams; I hope my sarcasm is coming through.

After this passed weekends debacle; did anyone see G fighting with the coach from LI, Beach Lax is just another nail in the coffin for this "ELITE TEAM"? Way to represent coach!!

When is Dukes Nationals ever going to play in a real tournament, Beach Lax this weekend, what a joke. G do you think you might be able to find a real quality tournament for our kids with all the money we pay?? I think the players deserve a chance to play against good teams and not blow out every team they play especially since they are noted as "The Nations most talented youth Players" on the website. Just a quick question how exactly do you promote the teams as the Nations most talented youth players, is there a list I missed that had Dukes Nationals as #1 in the nation??

Funny how the tournament gets bashed because of the misguided perception that Duke's is still a top level national team. Did you ever consider that they might be playing exactly where they belong. If the club thought that the team could run with the other national and holdback teams, I am sure that they would be playing them.

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

Not enough kids showing up to compete in those events, very low numbers this past weekend, I feel bad for the kids that did show up. No question that they have some really talented players, but hard to make a run in any tournament with such a short bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

All his players were playing in those tournaments just not for the dukes. That is his issue he does not develop his own talent he just borrows it from all the other travel club. The best part is when the players decide to play for the home club which invests hours every week to make the players better he bitches and moans that players are not committing to playing for his team that gives you a 3-hour mini-camp monthly. If you actually watch the mini-camps you can see there is 1 maybe 2 coaches and no one is there doing any type of true evaluations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

All his players were playing in those tournaments just not for the dukes. That is his issue he does not develop his own talent he just borrows it from all the other travel club. The best part is when the players decide to play for the home club which invests hours every week to make the players better he bitches and moans that players are not committing to playing for his team that gives you a 3-hour mini-camp monthly. If you actually watch the mini-camps you can see there is 1 maybe 2 coaches and no one is there doing any type of true evaluations.

That is the inherent problem with the whole model - when there are options - and the grass is greener - the kids are going to jump ship. Unfortunately, it will be a costly lesson for some very nice families

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

All his players were playing in those tournaments just not for the dukes. That is his issue he does not develop his own talent he just borrows it from all the other travel club. The best part is when the players decide to play for the home club which invests hours every week to make the players better he bitches and moans that players are not committing to playing for his team that gives you a 3-hour mini-camp monthly. If you actually watch the mini-camps you can see there is 1 maybe 2 coaches and no one is there doing any type of true evaluations.

That is the inherent problem with the whole model - when there are options - and the grass is greener - the kids are going to jump ship. Unfortunately, it will be a costly lesson for some very nice families

no one cares about DUKEs at ALL. . Waste of time talking about it. I agree with the entire statement above. Stick to the local clubs, Much better in Developing your child. Saying you play for Dukes National Does nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

All his players were playing in those tournaments just not for the dukes. That is his issue he does not develop his own talent he just borrows it from all the other travel club. The best part is when the players decide to play for the home club which invests hours every week to make the players better he bitches and moans that players are not committing to playing for his team that gives you a 3-hour mini-camp monthly. If you actually watch the mini-camps you can see there is 1 maybe 2 coaches and no one is there doing any type of true evaluations.

That is the inherent problem with the whole model - when there are options - and the grass is greener - the kids are going to jump ship. Unfortunately, it will be a costly lesson for some very nice families

Most families have already jump from that sinking ship and the players are playing for different teams now, do not waste time or money on this program you will be extremely disappointed and poor afterwards..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

Not enough kids showing up to compete in those events, very low numbers this past weekend, I feel bad for the kids that did show up. No question that they have some really talented players, but hard to make a run in any tournament with such a short bench.

Should be a great time at Naptown, I hear more kids are leaving the 20223 team, they might not even be able to field a complete team and if they do they are in trouble in that tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

Not enough kids showing up to compete in those events, very low numbers this past weekend, I feel bad for the kids that did show up. No question that they have some really talented players, but hard to make a run in any tournament with such a short bench.

Should be a great time at Naptown, I hear more kids are leaving the 20223 team, they might not even be able to field a complete team and if they do they are in trouble in that tournament.

The team has been feeding on B level lacrosse teams the entire summer. If I am shelling out money for my son to play elite level lacrosse this program is not for you!! Naptown will be an eye opener for Dukes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

Not enough kids showing up to compete in those events, very low numbers this past weekend, I feel bad for the kids that did show up. No question that they have some really talented players, but hard to make a run in any tournament with such a short bench.

Should be a great time at Naptown, I hear more kids are leaving the 20223 team, they might not even be able to field a complete team and if they do they are in trouble in that tournament.

Kids are leaving the 2023 team because they have to make room for the 2022’s and 2021’s that are coming down on the team.

Just like the 2021’s that moves down to 2022 last year.

Someone needs to help these parents understand, or maybe they already do. This Big 12 tourney was complete garbage, 6 teams in the 2021 bracket, 6 total teams! That’s ridiculous. The only other team that was halfway decent in the whole bracket was Rock and they are not strong, never had a D1 commit ever and have lost by a lot to Mesa, Freedom, and Team 11. Dukes is not what it was and unless Ebe and the guys make some serious changes they will keep sliding backwards towards irrelevance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

Not enough kids showing up to compete in those events, very low numbers this past weekend, I feel bad for the kids that did show up. No question that they have some really talented players, but hard to make a run in any tournament with such a short bench.

Should be a great time at Naptown, I hear more kids are leaving the 20223 team, they might not even be able to field a complete team and if they do they are in trouble in that tournament.

Kids are leaving the 2023 team because they have to make room for the 2022’s and 2021’s that are coming down on the team.

Freedom '23 had a few of Duke helmets on their team this weekend. Two of the kids looked 15 but they could play. Parents on the Freedom sideline were complaining about playtime. Sounded like they were new to the team and taking playing time away for kids that had been on the team for awhile.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

Not enough kids showing up to compete in those events, very low numbers this past weekend, I feel bad for the kids that did show up. No question that they have some really talented players, but hard to make a run in any tournament with such a short bench.

Should be a great time at Naptown, I hear more kids are leaving the 20223 team, they might not even be able to field a complete team and if they do they are in trouble in that tournament.

Kids are leaving the 2023 team because they have to make room for the 2022’s and 2021’s that are coming down on the team.

Freedom '23 had a few of Duke helmets on their team this weekend. Two of the kids looked 15 but they could play. Parents on the Freedom sideline were complaining about playtime. Sounded like they were new to the team and taking playing time away for kids that had been on the team for awhile.

The Freedom 2023 team is the old Dukes nation team just playing under Freedom name, same players different team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

Not enough kids showing up to compete in those events, very low numbers this past weekend, I feel bad for the kids that did show up. No question that they have some really talented players, but hard to make a run in any tournament with such a short bench.

Should be a great time at Naptown, I hear more kids are leaving the 20223 team, they might not even be able to field a complete team and if they do they are in trouble in that tournament.

Kids are leaving the 2023 team because they have to make room for the 2022’s and 2021’s that are coming down on the team.

Freedom '23 had a few of Duke helmets on their team this weekend. Two of the kids looked 15 but they could play. Parents on the Freedom sideline were complaining about playtime. Sounded like they were new to the team and taking playing time away for kids that had been on the team for awhile.

Same kids as the fall and spring, it’s summer now, when exactly do they stop being new players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes play in B tourney, all of the other top teams in the US play in Platinum Cup or NLF. C'mon G you can do better!

Not enough kids showing up to compete in those events, very low numbers this past weekend, I feel bad for the kids that did show up. No question that they have some really talented players, but hard to make a run in any tournament with such a short bench.

Should be a great time at Naptown, I hear more kids are leaving the 20223 team, they might not even be able to field a complete team and if they do they are in trouble in that tournament.

Kids are leaving the 2023 team because they have to make room for the 2022’s and 2021’s that are coming down on the team.

Freedom '23 had a few of Duke helmets on their team this weekend. Two of the kids looked 15 but they could play. Parents on the Freedom sideline were complaining about playtime. Sounded like they were new to the team and taking playing time away for kids that had been on the team for awhile.

Same kids as the fall and spring, it’s summer now, when exactly do they stop being new players?

Not sure you might want to address that with your parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom '23 had a few of Duke helmets on their team this weekend. Two of the kids looked 15 but they could play. Parents on the Freedom sideline were complaining about playtime. Sounded like they were new to the team and taking playing time away for kids that had been on the team for awhile.

The Freedom 2023 team is the old Dukes nation team just playing under Freedom name, same players different team.

For the most part, those kids played on Freedom before Dukes.

Anything for a W for the most part

Are any current Duke's nationals parents (2023) aware if the players report cards are still needed as part of the program? my son joined last year but has not been asked to provide one all year, I am just wondering if this is a thing of the past, seems to be the team has changed since it first started a few years ago from what I have been hearing all year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom '23 had a few of Duke helmets on their team this weekend. Two of the kids looked 15 but they could play. Parents on the Freedom sideline were complaining about playtime. Sounded like they were new to the team and taking playing time away for kids that had been on the team for awhile.

The Freedom 2023 team is the old Dukes nation team just playing under Freedom name, same players different team.

For the most part, those kids played on Freedom before Dukes.

LOL they came with the DN coach...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are any current Duke's nationals parents (2023) aware if the players report cards are still needed as part of the program? my son joined last year but has not been asked to provide one all year, I am just wondering if this is a thing of the past, seems to be the team has changed since it first started a few years ago from what I have been hearing all year.

No, report cards have the weird way of telling you what grade someone is in. Creates a problem for the Dukes model.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL they came with the DN coach...

The one who started Freedom 2023 Red, yes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL they came with the DN coach...

The one who started Freedom 2023 Red, yes.

Started? really it wasn't there before....

We are actually considering Dukes for our son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are any current Duke's nationals parents (2023) aware if the players report cards are still needed as part of the program? my son joined last year but has not been asked to provide one all year, I am just wondering if this is a thing of the past, seems to be the team has changed since it first started a few years ago from what I have been hearing all year.

No, report cards have the weird way of telling you what grade someone is in. Creates a problem for the Dukes model.

We are actually considering Dukes for our son and I'm wondering if someone has a non-sarcastic response?

Any thoughts on Duke's Nationals 2025 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are actually considering Dukes for our son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are any current Duke's nationals parents (2023) aware if the players report cards are still needed as part of the program? my son joined last year but has not been asked to provide one all year, I am just wondering if this is a thing of the past, seems to be the team has changed since it first started a few years ago from what I have been hearing all year.

No, report cards have the weird way of telling you what grade someone is in. Creates a problem for the Dukes model.

We are actually considering Dukes for our son and I'm wondering if someone has a non-sarcastic response?

Not worth it. Best I can do. Save your money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are actually considering Dukes for our son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are any current Duke's nationals parents (2023) aware if the players report cards are still needed as part of the program? my son joined last year but has not been asked to provide one all year, I am just wondering if this is a thing of the past, seems to be the team has changed since it first started a few years ago from what I have been hearing all year.

No, report cards have the weird way of telling you what grade someone is in. Creates a problem for the Dukes model.

We are actually considering Dukes for our son and I'm wondering if someone has a non-sarcastic response?

Not worth it. Best I can do. Save your money

No skin in the game, but I do know kids on the 2023 team and they are very unhappy with the current situation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL they came with the DN coach...

The one who started Freedom 2023 Red, yes.

Started? really it wasn't there before....

Freedom 2023 Red? Yes. There was only a single 2023 team before it split last year into two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are actually considering Dukes for our son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are any current Duke's nationals parents (2023) aware if the players report cards are still needed as part of the program? my son joined last year but has not been asked to provide one all year, I am just wondering if this is a thing of the past, seems to be the team has changed since it first started a few years ago from what I have been hearing all year.

No, report cards have the weird way of telling you what grade someone is in. Creates a problem for the Dukes model.

We are actually considering Dukes for our son and I'm wondering if someone has a non-sarcastic response?

Not worth it. Best I can do. Save your money

No skin in the game, but I do know kids on the 2023 team and they are very unhappy with the current situation

I apologize if this has been answered somewhere else in this thread, but can I get a synopsis of what the "current situation" is and why the investment isn't worth it? Looking for honest, objective feedback from real experience with the club. Facts not opinions if you have them. I'll form my own opinion. I appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are actually considering Dukes for our son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are any current Duke's nationals parents (2023) aware if the players report cards are still needed as part of the program? my son joined last year but has not been asked to provide one all year, I am just wondering if this is a thing of the past, seems to be the team has changed since it first started a few years ago from what I have been hearing all year.

No, report cards have the weird way of telling you what grade someone is in. Creates a problem for the Dukes model.

We are actually considering Dukes for our son and I'm wondering if someone has a non-sarcastic response?

Not worth it. Best I can do. Save your money

Agree, son was on it and it is not worth the money or time spent look for a close local travel team you will do better and save a boat load of money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are actually considering Dukes for our son

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are any current Duke's nationals parents (2023) aware if the players report cards are still needed as part of the program? my son joined last year but has not been asked to provide one all year, I am just wondering if this is a thing of the past, seems to be the team has changed since it first started a few years ago from what I have been hearing all year.

No, report cards have the weird way of telling you what grade someone is in. Creates a problem for the Dukes model.

We are actually considering Dukes for our son and I'm wondering if someone has a non-sarcastic response?

Not worth it. Best I can do. Save your money

No skin in the game, but I do know kids on the 2023 team and they are very unhappy with the current situation

I apologize if this has been answered somewhere else in this thread, but can I get a synopsis of what the "current situation" is and why the investment isn't worth it? Looking for honest, objective feedback from real experience with the club. Facts not opinions if you have them. I'll form my own opinion. I appreciate it.

Parent of a 2023 here. First of all, Duke's Nationals is designed as a supplement to your current club team. They meet once a month for a 3 hour mini-camp/tryout and often play in a local tournament during mini-camp weekend. They use a depth chart and only those above the travel line are invited to participate in the tournaments. Here's a secret - if your kid is an OK player, he will make the team, but he will be at the bottom of the depth chart.

What's good about Duke's? For the most part, the mini camps are pretty good. They are generally held at D1 schools (although you rarely get to play on their main field) and the coaching is pretty good. Your son will leave a mini camp feeling like he learned something and got better. And no matter what the haters on this forum say, there are some incredibly talented kids on Duke's. Being able to practice with them is pretty nice.

Many will say that the depth chart is a joke. It's hard to tell how they are evaluating players at the mini camp since rumor has it the positional coaches have no say in the depth chart. The feeling is that the depth chart is just a list of people the director likes, kids of the coaches, etc. If your kid is below the travel line, I'm not sure what he can do to move up so that has to be frustrating to the kids and parents alike.

Some of the tournaments the team participates in are pretty weak - the most recent one had a bunch of low A/B teams that Duke's could just beat up on all day long. Not very sporting if you ask me. At many of these tournaments, new kids will show up. Some will say those kids are ringers brought in by the coach, however I do know kids who could not make a tryout and were asked to come to a tournament and use that as a tryout. Still, those kids take time away from kids above the travel line which can again result in a lot of frustration. In exchange for this, you are asked to put Duke's ahead of your main club team and skip your local tournaments if they conflict with a Duke's event. That's a hard pill to swallow since you club team has a lot fewer players and is mainly responsible for your training.

Duke's has a hefty buy in - $600 for the uniform package (which will be given out in small increments) and another $600+ for the mini-camp package. For each tournament you participate in, you must also pay and that is usually around $200 - $300. It adds up.

The 2023 team has had a bit of a coaching crisis. The guy who coaches Freedom Red was also coaching Duke's and he has since left the program. Kids seemed to really like him. There was a little back and forth about coaches and the current one seems to be getting better since he now shows up to the mini camps and tournaments.

Management made some pretty horrific decisions this past winter. We had a mini camp in 4 or 5 inches of snow. With white balls. At night. Right next to an indoor facility. It felt like they didn't care about our kids and just cared about saving money with that camp. But I do think they have improved in that area - our last camp at UPenn was in the bubble (which was pretty cool) so nobody froze to death.

The Duke's team is actually pretty good, no matter what the haters say. And they are showing that a model where you take some really talented kids, give them some positional training and build their lacrosse IQ does work.

If you see value in the mini camps and that part of the experience, your son may well enjoy and benefit from being part of the organization. But if you can't deal with the depth chart BS as well as the constant invoices for events, you'll just become another jaded Duke's hater parent.

And don’t forget the thousands of dollars annually in airfare, hotels, and other travel expenses to play in some of the distant tournaments — which oftentime involve playing against very weak teams for easy wins. Naptown in July appears to be the only real tournament this program will play in all year long. If you live in MD, PA, NY, NJ or some of adjoining states, you may have better local club options where you’ll probably pay a lot less overall, get your uniform and helmet promptly upfront, play on a better team, play in better tournaments and hopefully skip the drama of frequent coach and player turnover. Which by the way, this team is not compatible with any other lacrosse club program — if you have a conflict and don’t play with Duke’s, you’ll get a hostile phone call or email, followed by a depth chart demotion and other forms of retaliation. Like others, we’re leaving when it comes time to renew for the next year. It’s a great idea, but execution and overall experience really fell short of our expectations. If you join, I hope your experience is better than ours and what appears to be almost entirely negative comments across 56 pages here — the majority of which appears to be pretty accurate.

I'm a Duke parent too and I have been feeling disappointed lately with the team but after reading your post, I realized that it's not as bad as the tristate area makes it out to be, I do agree with everything you said.
My son is proud to be a Duke and I am too.(again)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a Duke parent too and I have been feeling disappointed lately with the team but after reading your post, I realized that it's not as bad as the tristate area makes it out to be, I do agree with everything you said.
My son is proud to be a Duke and I am too.(again)

What exactly about those posts makes you proud?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a Duke parent too and I have been feeling disappointed lately with the team but after reading your post, I realized that it's not as bad as the tristate area makes it out to be, I do agree with everything you said.
My son is proud to be a Duke and I am too.(again)

Why not just play for Freedom Red?

The long post about the good and bad of DN. I was agreeing with the poster even the bad.

Considering.. I'm assuming they have tryouts?

as the above poster noted "The 2023 team has had a bit of a coaching crisis. The guy who coaches Freedom Red was also coaching Duke's and he has since left the program."

Left is not accurate, maybe what G says but the coach and his kids were kicked off the team and that started defection of 2023 players this year. The players really liked the coach and he was the best thing about the team, it was the last straw that broke when parents and players said enough of this and left to play on better local travel team. Ask G about it and see what he says and let the community know if he is full of baloney....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

as the above poster noted "The 2023 team has had a bit of a coaching crisis. The guy who coaches Freedom Red was also coaching Duke's and he has since left the program."

Left is not accurate, maybe what G says but the coach and his kids were kicked off the team and that started defection of 2023 players this year. The players really liked the coach and he was the best thing about the team, it was the last straw that broke when parents and players said enough of this and left to play on better local travel team. Ask G about it and see what he says and let the community know if he is full of baloney....

I don't think the original poster was going into why the coach left, just that he is no longer with Duke's. And yes, he is a pretty good coach and the kids do seem to like him. I've overheard the interactions he has with his Freedom team and am impressed with how he guides the kids during games and motivates them to do their best.

Duke's has their share of drama. You can either focus on that or on the positives of the program. Just remember not everyone sees it in a negative light.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a Duke parent too and I have been feeling disappointed lately with the team but after reading your post, I realized that it's not as bad as the tristate area makes it out to be, I do agree with everything you said.
My son is proud to be a Duke and I am too.(again)

What exactly about those posts makes you proud?

Nice post G

Just read all the posts about the 2022 and 2023 coaches and players defecting in recent months. Really unfortunate for those kids remaining. Any word on what’s happening with the 2024 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just read all the posts about the 2022 and 2023 coaches and players defecting in recent months. Really unfortunate for those kids remaining. Any word on what’s happening with the 2024 team?

The same or worse from my understanding about the 2024 team, the entire Dukes Nationals program is a train wreck and not looking like it may last another year.

Defecting is the wrong word. Defecting insinuates a lack of loyalty. There is no loyalty with Dukes Nationals. The original concept was good. Outing a group ofmteally talented kids together was great. My son was on the original team and we stayed longer than I wanted to only because he liked his friends on the team. We received the nasty, “if he doesn’t play in the [ChillLaxin] Dukes tournament this weekend instead of playing for his good club team, he’s cut” phone call. It’s a shame. Good idea, but run by a money hungry stunad. Don’t waste your time or your money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Defecting is the wrong word. Defecting insinuates a lack of loyalty. There is no loyalty with Dukes Nationals. The original concept was good. Outing a group ofmteally talented kids together was great. My son was on the original team and we stayed longer than I wanted to only because he liked his friends on the team. We received the nasty, “if he doesn’t play in the [ChillLaxin] Dukes tournament this weekend instead of playing for his good club team, he’s cut” phone call. It’s a shame. Good idea, but run by a money hungry stunad. Don’t waste your time or your money.

Unless you are morally deprived enough to purposefully lie and play at a lower grade level with others doing the same thing. Its shameful. And those that are really 2023 should think about who you’re associating with.

You’re not missing anything with the 2024 team. Same stuff — coach turnover, kids leaving, guest players showing up, missing/late gear, screwed up bookeeping, B league tourneys, etc. We’re playing another B league tournament today in the lacrosse Mecca of Lake Placid, NY. What’s left of the regular 2024 team couldn’t field enough kids to play so we had to rely on guest players. So far, we have beaten 4 opponents by a total score of like 50 to 9 today. Why did I pay money and take days off work to do this? I’m literally embarrassed for our team — we shouldn’t be here beating up on these B league clubs to get a t-shirt. There’s no way this is helping our kids become better lacrosse players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You’re not missing anything with the 2024 team. Same stuff — coach turnover, kids leaving, guest players showing up, missing/late gear, screwed up bookeeping, B league tourneys, etc. We’re playing another B league tournament today in the lacrosse Mecca of Lake Placid, NY. What’s left of the regular 2024 team couldn’t field enough kids to play so we had to rely on guest players. So far, we have beaten 4 opponents by a total score of like 50 to 9 today. Why did I pay money and take days off work to do this? I’m literally embarrassed for our team — we shouldn’t be here beating up on these B league clubs to get a t-shirt. There’s no way this is helping our kids become better lacrosse players.

Sounds like a normal Duke's National tournament, Playing teams just for a win without any competition at all and a huge waste of time and money.

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

I assume you are talking about the 23s. They lost by 1 goal in a very evenly matched game. Hawks is one of the best teams around. Not sure how that makes Duke's a joke.

My guess is that you aren't there, though, and just read the result on Tourney Machine which means your sour grapes might be all about the travel line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

By far the best game of the day and could have gone either way!! A lot of talent on the field at every position for both teams and I hope these two play again tomorrow at some point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

I assume you are talking about the 23s. They lost by 1 goal in a very evenly matched game. Hawks is one of the best teams around. Not sure how that makes Duke's a joke.

My guess is that you aren't there, though, and just read the result on Tourney Machine which means your sour grapes might be all about the travel line.

Competently wrong, watched the entire game in person, terrible, they should have won but choked big time!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

I assume you are talking about the 23s. They lost by 1 goal in a very evenly matched game. Hawks is one of the best teams around. Not sure how that makes Duke's a joke.

My guess is that you aren't there, though, and just read the result on Tourney Machine which means your sour grapes might be all about the travel line.

I'm here at Naptown and was a good game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

how is losing to Annapolis Hawks in their backyard a joke - not a fan of Dukes, but basing your comment on a loss to Hawks is ridiculous

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

I assume you are talking about the 23s. They lost by 1 goal in a very evenly matched game. Hawks is one of the best teams around. Not sure how that makes Duke's a joke.

My guess is that you aren't there, though, and just read the result on Tourney Machine which means your sour grapes might be all about the travel line.

I'm here at Naptown and was a good game

Choke....maybe by the refs who missed a clear push with possession after a faceoff win when the game was 7-7; that lead to a turnover and the game winner. Obviously you were not there and have no clue what you are talking about. Hawks is one of the best team in the Country in this game could have been won by either team; Hawks won in a well played game!!

“Annapolis” Hawks v Duke’s “National”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

I assume you are talking about the 23s. They lost by 1 goal in a very evenly matched game. Hawks is one of the best teams around. Not sure how that makes Duke's a joke.

My guess is that you aren't there, though, and just read the result on Tourney Machine which means your sour grapes might be all about the travel line.

I'm here at Naptown and was a good game

Choke....maybe by the refs who missed a clear push with possession after a faceoff win when the game was 7-7; that lead to a turnover and the game winner. Obviously you were not there and have no clue what you are talking about. Hawks is one of the best team in the Country in this game could have been won by either team; Hawks won in a well played game!!

Of course blame the Refs, the guys actually doing something during the game to teach your son how to play the game not just sitting on the sidelines like yourself thinking all your screaming at him is teaching him anything about the game of lacrosse, that you probably never played in the first place....get a life..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Annapolis” Hawks v Duke’s “National”

This poster clearly has an agenda and knows little about the Annapolis Hawks team...waste of time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

I assume you are talking about the 23s. They lost by 1 goal in a very evenly matched game. Hawks is one of the best teams around. Not sure how that makes Duke's a joke.

My guess is that you aren't there, though, and just read the result on Tourney Machine which means your sour grapes might be all about the travel line.

I'm here at Naptown and was a good game

Choke....maybe by the refs who missed a clear push with possession after a faceoff win when the game was 7-7; that lead to a turnover and the game winner. Obviously you were not there and have no clue what you are talking about. Hawks is one of the best team in the Country in this game could have been won by either team; Hawks won in a well played game!!

Of course blame the Refs, the guys actually doing something during the game to teach your son how to play the game not just sitting on the sidelines like yourself thinking all your screaming at him is teaching him anything about the game of lacrosse, that you probably never played in the first place....get a life..

Boy you assumed a lot out of a simple quote. I was at the game as well and the sidelines were actually very quiet with a few positive reinforcements of the parents to their son. It was also a missed call but at that moment in the game I don’t think the refs were willing to make that call. Just my observations. Great game by both teams and sidelines. The way lacrosse should be played and watched!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

Dukes Freedom National.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes Nationals lost to Annapolis Hawks at Naptown today. What a joke this team is,we are done G will not be geting anymore more money from me...

I assume you are talking about the 23s. They lost by 1 goal in a very evenly matched game. Hawks is one of the best teams around. Not sure how that makes Duke's a joke.

My guess is that you aren't there, though, and just read the result on Tourney Machine which means your sour grapes might be all about the travel line.

I'm here at Naptown and was a good game

Choke....maybe by the refs who missed a clear push with possession after a faceoff win when the game was 7-7; that lead to a turnover and the game winner. Obviously you were not there and have no clue what you are talking about. Hawks is one of the best team in the Country in this game could have been won by either team; Hawks won in a well played game!!

Of course blame the Refs, the guys actually doing something during the game to teach your son how to play the game not just sitting on the sidelines like yourself thinking all your screaming at him is teaching him anything about the game of lacrosse, that you probably never played in the first place....get a life..

Boy you assumed a lot out of a simple quote. I was at the game as well and the sidelines were actually very quiet with a few positive reinforcements of the parents to their son. It was also a missed call but at that moment in the game I don’t think the refs were willing to make that call. Just my observations. Great game by both teams and sidelines. The way lacrosse should be played and watched!!!

Two great teams. 6'3" 7th grader that runs like a deer. Attack with caves bigger than most men.
Both teams are very well coached. Ponytail did a nice job.

Best two teams and will be a great final. Would be fun if the two teams played only 13 year-olds in the finals.

Between Hawks, DN and True if you had to put 13 year olds out there they would be lucky to have 3 kids each.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Between Hawks, DN and True if you had to put 13-year-olds out there they would be lucky to have 3 kids each.

That is because the 13-year-olds are playing in 2024.

Dukes win Naptown over Hawks 5-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes win Naptown over Hawks 5-3

I would hope so... they are a local team.

Dukes of Hazzard. I hope the parents of 2 year + holdbacks that play for this team will accept personal injury lawsuits god forbid a kid gets hurt. db organization

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes of Hazzard. I hope the parents of 2 year + holdbacks that play for this team will accept personal injury lawsuits god forbid a kid gets hurt. db organization

You shouldn’t talk about Hawks like that.

What happened to the Dukes 2024 team at Naptown? No competition in the finals.

Did Duke's play their MD equivalent - ACS - this year at all?

No Coach G sighting at Naptown. That's right those high Dukes tournament and minicamp fees paid for his trip to Israel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Duke's play their MD equivalent - ACS - this year at all?

Yes lost 5-7 good game

Lost to BBL 10-2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Duke's play their MD equivalent - ACS - this year at all?

Dukes played Team Baltimore at Naptown. Are you saying Team Baltimore is ACS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Duke's play their MD equivalent - ACS - this year at all?

They played twice. Lost once big - got dominated. Lost again in a relatively close game although it was never in doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Duke's play their MD equivalent - ACS - this year at all?

They played twice. Lost once big - got dominated. Lost again in a relatively close game although it was never in doubt.

People left the crabs so I’m curious to see what happens to this team moving forward.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Duke's play their MD equivalent - ACS - this year at all?

They played twice. Lost once big - got dominated. Lost again in a relatively close game although it was never in doubt.

Tampa this year- Big loss in pool play and dukes held kids out. Finals was 5-7 and the game was in doubt, game tied at 4-4 at one point. ACS barley beat Laxachusetts this year, please ease up on the smack talk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes win Naptown over Hawks 5-3

Team is a complete joke, as well as the management..

No kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore. That is why it is called team Baltimore.

I think they were saying it was a big loss because it was the Championship game. Nothing to do with the score. No need to make it bigger than it is. Stick to the conversation about the Naptown Tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore. That is why it is called team Baltimore.

If no kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore, and Team Baltimore has kids from Crabs, that explains the losses to True National and Duke’s National. The best Crabs players are on ACS and they have already beaten Duke’s National. Plus the ACS coach has a proven track record.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore. That is why it is called team Baltimore.

If no kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore, and Team Baltimore has kids from Crabs, that explains the losses to True National and Duke’s National. The best Crabs players are on ACS and they have already beaten Duke’s National. Plus the ACS coach has a proven track record.

But kids from ACS played for Duke's in Naptown. Hmmmmm.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore. That is why it is called team Baltimore.

If no kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore, and Team Baltimore has kids from Crabs, that explains the losses to True National and Duke’s National. The best Crabs players are on ACS and they have already beaten Duke’s National. Plus the ACS coach has a proven track record.

But kids from ACS played for Duke's in Naptown. Hmmmmm.....

So your saying Crabs/ACS kids played for DN against Crabs/TB ... hmmmm.... was the ACS coach invoked with DN?

The head coach for ACS used to put together an all star team under the name Team Baltimore. But one poster says no ACS on Team Baltimore and another says ACS on Duke’s National. Hmmm....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore. That is why it is called team Baltimore.

Team Baltimore is mostly made up of kids from Crabs, FCA and Looneys

[quote=Anonymous]The head coach for ACS used to put together an all star team under the name Team Baltimore. But one poster says no ACS on Team Baltimore and another says ACS on Duke’s National. Hmmm....[/q

Exactly...you can't rely on an anonymous forum for correct information....Hmmm
What is clear is that Team Baltimore,Hawks,Dukes,True and many other teams played in Naptown.
Maybe you should focus on your team and not be concerend with a team that is not even in the tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore. That is why it is called team Baltimore.

Team Baltimore is mostly made up of kids from Crabs, FCA and Looneys

It’s Crabs players not chosen to play on ACS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The head coach for ACS used to put together an all star team under the name Team Baltimore. But one poster says no ACS on Team Baltimore and another says ACS on Duke’s National. Hmmm....[/q

Exactly...you can't rely on an anonymous forum for correct information....Hmmm
What is clear is that Team Baltimore,Hawks,Dukes,True and many other teams played in Naptown.
Maybe you should focus on your team and not be concerend with a team that is not even in the tournament.

Maybe my son’s team is Hawks, which has rostered players for the Hoco league. Some of the others you mention comprised of free agent mercenaries that float among different teams. And for grade years for that matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The head coach for ACS used to put together an all star team under the name Team Baltimore. But one poster says no ACS on Team Baltimore and another says ACS on Duke’s National. Hmmm....[/q

Exactly...you can't rely on an anonymous forum for correct information....Hmmm
What is clear is that Team Baltimore,Hawks,Dukes,True and many other teams played in Naptown.
Maybe you should focus on your team and not be concerend with a team that is not even in the tournament.

Maybe my son’s team is Hawks, which has rostered players for the Hoco league. Some of the others you mention comprised of free agent mercenaries that float among different teams. And for grade years for that matter.

Then focus on the Hawks team and not a team that isn't playing in this tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The head coach for ACS used to put together an all star team under the name Team Baltimore. But one poster says no ACS on Team Baltimore and another says ACS on Duke’s National. Hmmm....[/q

Exactly...you can't rely on an anonymous forum for correct information....Hmmm
What is clear is that Team Baltimore,Hawks,Dukes,True and many other teams played in Naptown.
Maybe you should focus on your team and not be concerend with a team that is not even in the tournament.

Maybe my son’s team is Hawks, which has rostered players for the Hoco league. Some of the others you mention comprised of free agent mercenaries that float among different teams. And for grade years for that matter.

Then focus on the Hawks team and not a team that isn't playing in this tournament.

Someone hit a nerve with Mr. “don’t talk about ACS”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No kids from ACS played on Team Baltimore. That is why it is called team Baltimore.

Team Baltimore is mostly made up of kids from Crabs, FCA and Looneys

It’s Crabs players not chosen to play on ACS.

DRAMA..
If ACS was mostly made up of Crabs players it wouldn't exist. It would just be the Crabs 2023 team.
You can only have so many kids on a team and it is OK if your kid is a Crabs player and not on ACS.
Do what you just tried to do and start your own bigger, better faster team so you won't feel so bad and
have to bring other kids down. Then you can all have stars and be winners!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The head coach for ACS used to put together an all star team under the name Team Baltimore. But one poster says no ACS on Team Baltimore and another says ACS on Duke’s National. Hmmm....[/q

Exactly...you can't rely on an anonymous forum for correct information....Hmmm
What is clear is that Team Baltimore,Hawks,Dukes,True and many other teams played in Naptown.
Maybe you should focus on your team and not be concerend with a team that is not even in the tournament.

Maybe my son’s team is Hawks, which has rostered players for the Hoco league. Some of the others you mention comprised of free agent mercenaries that float among different teams. And for grade years for that matter.

Then focus on the Hawks team and not a team that isn't playing in this tournament.

Someone hit a nerve with Mr. “don’t talk about ACS”

You are just trying to take focus away from your losing all star team. It's Ok, we are at the same tournament. I see you! Oh and my son is a free agent..thanks! He is free to play wherever he wants when he wants to!

ACS Roster

https://crabslax.com/TeamPage.aspx?TeamID=646

Crabs Roster

https://crabslax.com/TeamPage.aspx?TeamID=627

Looks like a big coaching change at ACS. Where did the other coach go?

Nowhere. I heard he got a job promotion and didn't have time to coach anymore. I just heard that from a friend of his at the Naptown Tourney.

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

Do any 2023 Crabs on Duke’s National?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

So much for handing in rosters of the team you used all summer
Total frauds

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

Math is clearly not your strong suit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

There are a number of Duke's Nationals kids that play on Freedom. So what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

Math is clearly not your strong suit.

Why is it ok for Clubs to have their own tournaments? They make their own schedules and their own rules to benefit them. Somehow this doesn’t seem right. Also, if they don’t like a specific club team or they are too good they block them or bail out of the tournament. How do you even know where any team stands? Tournaments are every weekend. National and AllStar Tournaments are every other weekend. Now tournaments are going to August. All to benefit the owners of Club Teams. Kind of ridiculous when you think about it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

Math is clearly not your strong suit.

Why is it ok for Clubs to have their own tournaments? They make their own schedules and their own rules to benefit them. Somehow this doesn’t seem right. Also, if they don’t like a specific club team or they are too good they block them or bail out of the tournament. How do you even know where any team stands? Tournaments are every weekend. National and AllStar Tournaments are every other weekend. Now tournaments are going to August. All to benefit the owners of Club Teams. Kind of ridiculous when you think about it!

No one is forcing you to go, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

There are a number of Duke's Nationals kids that play on Freedom. So what?

Definitely more this weekend than in the past

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

Math is clearly not your strong suit.

Why is it ok for Clubs to have their own tournaments? They make their own schedules and their own rules to benefit them. Somehow this doesn’t seem right. Also, if they don’t like a specific club team or they are too good they block them or bail out of the tournament. How do you even know where any team stands? Tournaments are every weekend. National and AllStar Tournaments are every other weekend. Now tournaments are going to August. All to benefit the owners of Club Teams. Kind of ridiculous when you think about it!

No one is forcing you to go, right?

Right! Not exactly the point.
Where are the regulations for Tournaments? It is unacceptable to run your own tournament as a Club owner. Make your schedule, add kids, kick kids out, not allowing teams to play because you don’t like them. No, no one forces Me to go....
How is this a good thing for a sport? You may think you are on a good team but club owner won’t let you play against a better team for fear you may lose and it will hurt the Clubs reputation! That is not an ethical thing to do
Yet it happens all the time. Clubs ask you to pay for uniforms, camps, extra training, all star teams, National teams...
All of this lines their pockets. Just go out and play lacrosse. None of these things benefit a Middle School kid. If anything this format is hurting not only the kids but the sport! It’s pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

There are a number of Duke's Nationals kids that play on Freedom. So what?

Definitely more this weekend than in the past

That is an outright lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

There are a number of Duke's Nationals kids that play on Freedom. So what?

Definitely more this weekend than in the past

That is an outright lie.

A year ago you were right...DN and Freedom had the same kids (coaches even) but now they only have half that play both. Coaches left Dukes and the other half only play for Freedom now.

Did everyone sign up for the August 4 Duke's Nationals tryout in NYC? Start of a new year, new players and new families, let the money train start!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN if your looking for your 23 team they are playing for Freedom. We played them today and there were more DN helmets than freedom.

There are a number of Duke's Nationals kids that play on Freedom. So what?

A year ago you were right...DN and Freedom had the same kids (coaches even) but now they only have half that play both. Coaches left Dukes and the other half only play for Freedom now.

Still have their helmets, though. They all started the "season" with Duke's

Did everyone sign up for the August 4 Duke's Nationals tryout in NYC? Start of a new year, new players and new families, let the money train start!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did everyone sign up for the August 4 Duke's Nationals tryout in NYC? Start of a new year, new players and new families, let the money train start!!

Hard pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did everyone sign up for the August 4 Duke's Nationals tryout in NYC? Start of a new year, new players and new families, let the money train start!!

Not a chance

No flippin' way.......model is terrible.

The Green and Black travelling circus? HARD pass. It's the youth lacrosse equivalent of a puppy farm. You want your kid to be a puppy farm puppy?

Can't believe nobody has posted yet but the NYC mini-camp was pretty good. Some excellent talent trying out. The location was awesome though I'm sure the snack cart loaded with craft beer helped!

Quality players and great coaching. It's going to be an awesome year for Duke's Nationals!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't believe nobody has posted yet but the NYC mini-camp was pretty good. Some excellent talent trying out. The location was awesome though I'm sure the snack cart loaded with craft beer helped!

Quality players and great coaching. It's going to be an awesome year for Duke's Nationals!

Well it took you a while to pack the trailer up and get home before you posted about your camp, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't believe nobody has posted yet but the NYC mini-camp was pretty good. Some excellent talent trying out. The location was awesome though I'm sure the snack cart loaded with craft beer helped!

Quality players and great coaching. It's going to be an awesome year for Duke's Nationals!

Thanks G, figured this was coming.. terrible self promotion...Buyer beware!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't believe nobody has posted yet but the NYC mini-camp was pretty good. Some excellent talent trying out. The location was awesome though I'm sure the snack cart loaded with craft beer helped!

Quality players and great coaching. It's going to be an awesome year for Duke's Nationals!

Thanks G, figured this was coming.. terrible self promotion...Buyer beware!!

You guys need to come up with some new material. Not every post is G.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't believe nobody has posted yet but the NYC mini-camp was pretty good. Some excellent talent trying out. The location was awesome though I'm sure the snack cart loaded with craft beer helped!

Quality players and great coaching. It's going to be an awesome year for Duke's Nationals!

Thanks G, figured this was coming.. terrible self promotion...Buyer beware!!

You guys need to come up with some new material. Not every post is G.

They might not be G but this one was definitely written by either him or the Dukes publicists. None of the kids you would want from that area are going to play for DN.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't believe nobody has posted yet but the NYC mini-camp was pretty good. Some excellent talent trying out. The location was awesome though I'm sure the snack cart loaded with craft beer helped!

Quality players and great coaching. It's going to be an awesome year for Duke's Nationals!

Thanks G, figured this was coming.. terrible self promotion...Buyer beware!!

You guys need to come up with some new material. Not every post is G.

They might not be G but this one was definitely written by either him or the Dukes publicists. None of the kids you would want from that area are going to play for DN.

I was there. Low turnout which is not surprising given the time of year. There were a few good kids trying out but they were not NY kids. I recall one kid with a Crabs helmet who was pretty good. Mixed in were a few kids who can't even tie their own shoes.

Also beer was available at the golf center, not on the fields.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't believe nobody has posted yet but the NYC mini-camp was pretty good. Some excellent talent trying out. The location was awesome though I'm sure the snack cart loaded with craft beer helped!

Quality players and great coaching. It's going to be an awesome year for Duke's Nationals!

Thanks G, figured this was coming.. terrible self promotion...Buyer beware!!

You guys need to come up with some new material. Not every post is G.

They might not be G but this one was definitely written by either him or the Dukes publicists. None of the kids you would want from that area are going to play for DN.

I was there. Low turnout which is not surprising given the time of year. There were a few good kids trying out but they were not NY kids. I recall one kid with a Crabs helmet who was pretty good. Mixed in were a few kids who can't even tie their own shoes.

Also beer was available at the golf center, not on the fields.

Low turnout is an understatement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't believe nobody has posted yet but the NYC mini-camp was pretty good. Some excellent talent trying out. The location was awesome though I'm sure the snack cart loaded with craft beer helped!

Quality players and great coaching. It's going to be an awesome year for Duke's Nationals!

Thanks G, figured this was coming.. terrible self promotion...Buyer beware!!

You guys need to come up with some new material. Not every post is G.

Ok, thanks will do G

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Shhhhh! Don’t tell anyone until I collect people’s money for season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Which legal entity would be declaring bankruptcy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Which legal entity would be declaring bankruptcy?

Looks like the poster put it right there-Duke's Nationals.

So how are these Ricky Whelan clinics? We keep getting information about attending them, are they worth it or another money grab.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Which legal entity would be declaring bankruptcy?

Looks like the poster put it right there-Duke's Nationals.

Duke's Nationals is not a legal entity

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how are these Ricky Whelan clinics? We keep getting information about attending them, are they worth it or another money grab.

They are good. Lots of reps and instruction. HS and MS kids are out there together so if your son is on the younger side, keep that in mind. Each clinic has a college coach come and talk to the kids and that coach will constantly tell them they need to have good grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Which legal entity would be declaring bankruptcy?

Looks like the poster put it right there-Duke's Nationals.

Duke's Nationals is not a legal entity

DBA DUKES LACROSSE ACADEMY LLC on Dukes website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Disgruntled that little Johnny isn't above the travel line?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Disgruntled that little Johnny isn't above the travel line?

Travel line that's comical....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Disgruntled that little Johnny isn't above the travel line?

Travel line that's comical....

The travel line is just below the phone line that's used to call in ringers who've never been to a mini-camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Dukes Nationals is not doing well....the word Bankruptcy has been used....Buyer beware!!!

Disgruntled that little Johnny isn't above the travel line?

Travel line that's comical....

The travel line is just below the phone line that's used to call in ringers who've never been to a mini-camp.

Apparently still above wherever your son is on the depth chart.

Look, the most annoying thing about Duke's is that they will happily take your money and put your son on the bottom of the depth chart with no chance of ever playing in a game. It's frustrating to see them looking at someone else instead of your kid even though you paid your money.

If your son isn't good enough to play in the games yet, work harder in the mini camps as well as at home so he can improve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your son isn't good enough to play in the games yet, work harder in the mini camps as well as at home so he can improve.

Or, alternatively, just stay completely away from the whole situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your son isn't good enough to play in the games yet, work harder in the mini camps as well as at home so he can improve.

Or, alternatively, just stay completely away from the whole situation.

Very disappointed to see that Dukes has let the Dukes National model infest their high school program. I always thought the Dukes Nationals program was just a money grab, and that Dukes would stay true to providing a solid program at the H.S. level for kids in PA, South Jersey, and Northern DE. With their decision to have (2) 2022 teams. They have allowed all the 2021 holdback kids from MD that played on the 2022 Duke Nationals program last year to infiltrate the Philly club lacrosse scene, not to mention all the kids from CA,TX, NC,NY. Why would a Baltimore area kid, play for a Philly club when there are numerous top notch MD programs? Asking for a friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your son isn't good enough to play in the games yet, work harder in the mini camps as well as at home so he can improve.

Or, alternatively, just stay completely away from the whole situation.

Very disappointed to see that Dukes has let the Dukes National model infest their high school program. I always thought the Dukes Nationals program was just a money grab, and that Dukes would stay true to providing a solid program at the H.S. level for kids in PA, South Jersey, and Northern DE. With their decision to have (2) 2022 teams. They have allowed all the 2021 holdback kids from MD that played on the 2022 Duke Nationals program last year to infiltrate the Philly club lacrosse scene, not to mention all the kids from CA,TX, NC,NY. Why would a Baltimore area kid, play for a Philly club when there are numerous top notch MD programs? Asking for a friend.

And worse yet they don't practice. The Model is dead. Unfortunately some parents are going to find out when its too late. Most Philly teams are training and getting better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your son isn't good enough to play in the games yet, work harder in the mini camps as well as at home so he can improve.

Or, alternatively, just stay completely away from the whole situation.

Very disappointed to see that Dukes has let the Dukes National model infest their high school program. I always thought the Dukes Nationals program was just a money grab, and that Dukes would stay true to providing a solid program at the H.S. level for kids in PA, South Jersey, and Northern DE. With their decision to have (2) 2022 teams. They have allowed all the 2021 holdback kids from MD that played on the 2022 Duke Nationals program last year to infiltrate the Philly club lacrosse scene, not to mention all the kids from CA,TX, NC,NY. Why would a Baltimore area kid, play for a Philly club when there are numerous top notch MD programs? Asking for a friend.

And worse yet they don't practice. The Model is dead. Unfortunately some parents are going to find out when its too late. Most Philly teams are training and getting better.

I comnpletely agree. Dukes "features" players rather than "coaches" or "develops" players.

If at first, you don't succeed

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

If at first, you don't succeed

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What are they smoking to think that someone would put their 3rd grade daughter on a national team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your son isn't good enough to play in the games yet, work harder in the mini camps as well as at home so he can improve.

Or, alternatively, just stay completely away from the whole situation.

Very disappointed to see that Dukes has let the Dukes National model infest their high school program. I always thought the Dukes Nationals program was just a money grab, and that Dukes would stay true to providing a solid program at the H.S. level for kids in PA, South Jersey, and Northern DE. With their decision to have (2) 2022 teams. They have allowed all the 2021 holdback kids from MD that played on the 2022 Duke Nationals program last year to infiltrate the Philly club lacrosse scene, not to mention all the kids from CA,TX, NC,NY. Why would a Baltimore area kid, play for a Philly club when there are numerous top notch MD programs? Asking for a friend.

There are only a couple MD kids on the HS team. Mostly for the reason you mention. My son has played for them for a while but model doesn't make any sense in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If at first, you don't succeed

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What are they smoking to think that someone would put their 3rd grade daughter on a national team.

Please give me all your money quick because I cannot pay my monthly bills and the boys Dukes nationals team is not covering them!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If at first, you don't succeed

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What are they smoking to think that someone would put their 3rd grade daughter on a national team.

Please give me all your money quick because I cannot pay my monthly bills and the boys Dukes nationals team is not covering them!!

So you can post in PA forum but not in MD forum?

Yes - until we can have everyone start posting appropriate posts without defaming a coach or individual which happens often in the MD & Tri-State Forums which is why we decided to change the permissions, we have to keep these permissions so that only Registered Members can post. Posting opinions and sharing experiences is acceptable and what we want but calling out people and saying they are this & that is not how we are going to grow this game. People should be using the forums to provide insightful posts to help others learn more about what is going on in the game around their community and around the general lacrosse world (i.e. new recruiting rules, new shot clock rule, HS/Club Team Scores, Upcoming Events, etc) so the forums should be a platform for new/intermediate/experienced people to come on here and receive/share information but also allowing controversies, peaceful debates, personal Respectful opinions.

Also, when the 2014 current registered members start posting under their names, it helps to know that poster and their type of posts. And we are going to be rewarding our Top Posters with free equipment on a monthly basis along with opportunities to join private webinars to communicate with a guest poster such as a College Coach or a Company with ways to earn money or credit to our online store that will be up in the next week or so that will include used and new equipment that we will be offering and for other registered members to sell or buy new or used equipment.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by TheAdmin

Yes - until we can have everyone start posting appropriate posts without defaming a coach or individual which happens often in the MD & Tri-State Forums which is why we decided to change the permissions, we have to keep these permissions so that only Registered Members can post. Posting opinions and sharing experiences is acceptable and what we want but calling out people and saying they are this & that is not how we are going to grow this game. People should be using the forums to provide insightful posts to help others learn more about what is going on in the game around their community and around the general lacrosse world (i.e. new recruiting rules, new shot clock rule, HS/Club Team Scores, Upcoming Events, etc) so the forums should be a platform for new/intermediate/experienced people to come on here and receive/share information but also allowing controversies, peaceful debates, personal Respectful opinions.

Also, when the 2014 current registered members start posting under their names, it helps to know that poster and their type of posts. And we are going to be rewarding our Top Posters with free equipment on a monthly basis along with opportunities to join private webinars to communicate with a guest poster such as a College Coach or a Company with ways to earn money or credit to our online store that will be up in the next week or so that will include used and new equipment that we will be offering and for other registered members to sell or buy new or used equipment.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

ok..Thanks

Any 2020 Dukes players commit? I don't see any on the BOTC commitment database.

Watch your emails for Dukes Nationals...was sent an email of outstanding balance. Must have thought since on email list I should constribute money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watch your emails for Dukes Nationals...was sent an email of outstanding balance. Must have thought since on email list I should constribute money

Dukes Nationals has moved to a set yearly renewal period so everyone pays their registration and mini camp package fees at the same time. Should make their bookkeeping a lot easier.

Of hoping that parents parents don’t pay attention and just make a payment for something their player never joined

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watch your emails for Dukes Nationals...was sent an email of outstanding balance. Must have thought since on email list I should constribute money

Dukes Nationals has moved to a set yearly renewal period so everyone pays their registration and mini camp package fees at the same time. Should make their bookkeeping a lot easier.

It should unless you get a registration bill for a player who in no longer on the team and has not been to any mini camp or tournament in over a year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It should unless you get a registration bill for a player who in no longer on the team and has not been to any mini camp or tournament in over a year.

Amen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your son isn't good enough to play in the games yet, work harder in the mini camps as well as at home so he can improve.

Or, alternatively, just stay completely away from the whole situation.

Very disappointed to see that Dukes has let the Dukes National model infest their high school program. I always thought the Dukes Nationals program was just a money grab, and that Dukes would stay true to providing a solid program at the H.S. level for kids in PA, South Jersey, and Northern DE. With their decision to have (2) 2022 teams. They have allowed all the 2021 holdback kids from MD that played on the 2022 Duke Nationals program last year to infiltrate the Philly club lacrosse scene, not to mention all the kids from CA,TX, NC,NY. Why would a Baltimore area kid, play for a Philly club when there are numerous top notch MD programs? Asking for a friend.

I would guess that most Duke Elite players play on other teams were they get practice.

As far as the out of state kids etc my gut is that you will have one team that is the 2022 National team from last year and one that is a local talent team. But the team designations havent come out yet so could be wrong. Funny thing is that some of the National kids are average at best, many of local kids are jst as good if not better.

Make sure to sign your sons and Daughters up for Dukes Nationals try outs this weekend in Annapolis, going to be a great time.

How did the play day go for the 2022? Seems like they only had 1 team scheduled to play and not 2. Same with their tournament this weekend. That's a lot of kids if they all show for that 1 shift each half

Most of the MD kids have left Dukes at this point. The model just does not work anymore. Dukes is requiring kids to play in multiple tournaments that interfere with their home club. Only one of the MD kids actually left their local club to play exclusively for Dukes. There are kids that will play for Dukes from NC, California, etc. Plus the local philly kids. Doesn't make any sense to leave a MD club with regular practices and no driving to play with Dukes. Is a good model for middle school for extra lacrosse and my son really enjoyed it. But it's run it's course now that they're in high school

What a silly thing to say. If a philly kid wants to play D1, he should work hard and hit the wall/shoot a bunch of balls.

Heard that DN wasn't as dominant in Battle on the Bay in Annapolis this weekend as they'd have you believe they would be for an all-star team.

Crabs was impressive. Looked like a high school team with the fresh crop of reclasses. Overheard them chatting about their learners' permits in between games. Otherwise the field was a solid group of AA teams, considering the usual absences of football players from fall ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that DN wasn't as dominant in Battle on the Bay in Annapolis this weekend as they'd have you believe they would be for an all-star team.

Then I guess you weren't there. Dukes and Crabs tied 2x (one of those games being champ) went to sudden death. Both teams were good.
I heard the same about Crabs with the "reclass" and Dukes kept pace with them both games. Good fast aggressive games. I heard Duke defender split his stick

Dukes 2022 is loaded with holdbacks what is your point all teams have them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that DN wasn't as dominant in Battle on the Bay in Annapolis this weekend as they'd have you believe they would be for an all-star team.

Then I guess you weren't there. Dukes and Crabs tied 2x (one of those games being champ) went to sudden death. Both teams were good.
I heard the same about Crabs with the "reclass" and Dukes kept pace with them both games. Good fast aggressive games. I heard Duke defender split his stick

Quote of the day from a '25 Duke dad. "We came all this way to go 1-2 and the last team we played was made up for half their b-team"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard that DN wasn't as dominant in Battle on the Bay in Annapolis this weekend as they'd have you believe they would be for an all-star team.

Then I guess you weren't there. Dukes and Crabs tied 2x (one of those games being champ) went to sudden death. Both teams were good.
I heard the same about Crabs with the "reclass" and Dukes kept pace with them both games. Good fast aggressive games. I heard Duke defender split his stick

Sounds like an even game. Reclass vs Reclass

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Gravy train finally drying up??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Dead and Buried! Welcome to Dukes mainline, Dukes South, Dukes North, Dukes Young guns, Dukes twist...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Not true as far as I can tell. Look to be adding a lot more tournaments and events this coming year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Dead and Buried! Welcome to Dukes mainline, Dukes South, Dukes North, Dukes Young guns, Dukes twist...

is it folding? Just got a call asking to join. ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Dead and Buried! Welcome to Dukes mainline, Dukes South, Dukes North, Dukes Young guns, Dukes twist...

is it folding? Just got a call asking to join. ?

Of course you got a call to join. Goodbye money!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Not true as far as I can tell. Look to be adding a lot more tournaments and events this coming year.

Of course! More garbage tournaments, more trash "mini-camps", more money in somebody's pocket!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Not true as far as I can tell. Look to be adding a lot more tournaments and events this coming year.

Of course! More garbage tournaments, more trash "mini-camps", more money in somebody's pocket!

While many may not agree with their business and the types of tournaments they participate in, it seems that we can agree that the original post about them going out of business is a likely troll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Not true as far as I can tell. Look to be adding a lot more tournaments and events this coming year.

Of course! More garbage tournaments, more trash "mini-camps", more money in somebody's pocket!

While many may not agree with their business and the types of tournaments they participate in, it seems that we can agree that the original post about them going out of business is a likely troll.

Yeah G won't fold. He'll just raise the prices even more for the chumps still dumb enough to play for Dukes Nationals. Made sense when it was only a few hundred bucks, mini-camps were only $60, etc. Prices are ridiculous now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While many may not agree with their business and the types of tournaments they participate in, it seems that we can agree that the original post about them going out of business is a likely troll.

Legitimately, no. Or has everyone forgotten Skyhawks or Dukes North or Little Dukes or Dukes Blue Mountain?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While many may not agree with their business and the types of tournaments they participate in, it seems that we can agree that the original post about them going out of business is a likely troll.

Legitimately, no. Or has everyone forgotten Skyhawks or Dukes North or Little Dukes or Dukes Blue Mountain?

Then if the original poster would care to post evidence to support his or her statement regarding Duke's Nationals, I'm all ears (or eyes.) Otherwise, it sure seems like another troll. These posts proclaiming the demise of Duke's Nationals are a dime a dozen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While many may not agree with their business and the types of tournaments they participate in, it seems that we can agree that the original post about them going out of business is a likely troll.

Legitimately, no. Or has everyone forgotten Skyhawks or Dukes North or Little Dukes or Dukes Blue Mountain?

Then if the original poster would care to post evidence to support his or her statement regarding Duke's Nationals, I'm all ears (or eyes.) Otherwise, it sure seems like another troll. These posts proclaiming the demise of Duke's Nationals are a dime a dozen.

DN parent here, our team hasn't looked better!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Not true as far as I can tell. Look to be adding a lot more tournaments and events this coming year.

Of course! More garbage tournaments, more trash "mini-camps", more money in somebody's pocket!

While many may not agree with their business and the types of tournaments they participate in, it seems that we can agree that the original post about them going out of business is a likely troll.

Reread the post, the parent is asking for any information to if the rumor is true, most rumors have some truth to them. We were not part of Duke's Nationals but know exactly how rumors work when our son was part of Dukes South and guess what that rumor was true and a lot of good families were out money they had spent on the team and never got the money back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear the rumors that Duke's Nationals is folding due to money issues? Not sure I believe it as most thing you hear about this program as rumors are false but wanted to check as a concerned parents of current team player.

Not true as far as I can tell. Look to be adding a lot more tournaments and events this coming year.

Of course! More garbage tournaments, more trash "mini-camps", more money in somebody's pocket!

While many may not agree with their business and the types of tournaments they participate in, it seems that we can agree that the original post about them going out of business is a likely troll.

Reread the post, the parent is asking for any information to if the rumor is true, most rumors have some truth to them. We were not part of Duke's Nationals but know exactly how rumors work when our son was part of Dukes South and guess what that rumor was true and a lot of good families were out money they had spent on the team and never got the money back.

There are a lot of people on this forum who absolutely hate G and Duke's Nationals. They post crap like this (going bankrupt, etc.) every few months. Many of these post have been blatantly false.

I don't think questioning the motives of the original poster is out of line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are a lot of people on this forum who absolutely hate G and Duke's Nationals. They post crap like this (going bankrupt, etc.) every few months. Many of these post have been blatantly false.

I don't think questioning the motives of the original poster is out of line.

Very true.

But, then again, given a LOT of peoples' experiences with G, I don't think that questioning HIS motives is out of line either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are a lot of people on this forum who absolutely hate G and Duke's Nationals. They post crap like this (going bankrupt, etc.) every few months. Many of these post have been blatantly false.

I don't think questioning the motives of the original poster is out of line.

Very true.

But, then again, given a LOT of peoples' experiences with G, I don't think that questioning HIS motives is out of line either.

Agreed. G has shown that it is all about G and not the kids on numerous occasions.

Duke's here is an FYI, take your Elite teams to tournaments with some real competition if you think you are the best

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's here is an FYI, take your Elite teams to tournaments with some real competition if you think you are the best

Can't all the kids play for other teams that already play in the Elite tournaments.

What the heck was the Dukes 2022 team at Big 4 Saturday? They were terrible

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck was the Dukes 2022 team at Big 4 Saturday? They were terrible

Local Dukes team. None of the Dukes teams are competitive without the National "out of state" kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck was the Dukes 2022 team at Big 4 Saturday? They were terrible

Local Dukes team. None of the Dukes teams are competitive without the National "out of state" kids.

Many of them had Nationals helmets. Didn't help. Terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the heck was the Dukes 2022 team at Big 4 Saturday? They were terrible

Local Dukes team. None of the Dukes teams are competitive without the National "out of state" kids.

Many of them had Nationals helmets. Didn't help. Terrible.

At the Big 4 event? 2 at most

Any Duke's team should not be at a HHH/NLF Tournament, the teams in the NLF are too good and Duke's will not do well. It is a waste of time and money for the Duke's team, just stay with the soft Tournaments that they know they can win.

Maybe HHH should enter some tournaments that they can win since they are consistently out played and out classed at the NLF tournaments. How did those games go for you this weekend in NY? Looks like a lot of losses to me. "Take a Run" philosophy doesn't equal wins.

Dukes played this weekend in same tourney as Annapolis Hawks, Team 91 Maryland, Koopers, and on and on. Is that soft? How does HHH do against those teams? Why HHH believes that they are so superior, I have no clue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes played this weekend in same tourney as Annapolis Hawks, Team 91 Maryland, Koopers, and on and on. Is that soft? How does HHH do against those teams? Why HHH believes that they are so superior, I have no clue.

HHH has a superiority complex but Dukes teams also played at Victory. Horrific!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe HHH should enter some tournaments that they can win since they are consistently out played and out classed at the NLF tournaments. How did those games go for you this weekend in NY? Looks like a lot of losses to me. "Take a Run" philosophy doesn't equal wins.

Not good. HHH combined 2-7 and didn’t even field a 2023 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes played this weekend in same tourney as Annapolis Hawks, Team 91 Maryland, Koopers, and on and on. Is that soft? How does HHH do against those teams? Why HHH believes that they are so superior, I have no clue.

HHH has a superiority complex but Dukes teams also played at Victory. Horrific!

Bring the teams mentioned above to an NLF tournament and see how they do, it will not be good, unless it's the Duke's nationals then they might do well. Duke's nationals has the best coaching around.

FYI, there is no Dukes Nationals 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FYI, there is no Dukes Nationals 2022.

Most went back with their home clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FYI, there is no Dukes Nationals 2022.

Most went back with their home clubs

A bunch went to HHH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe HHH should enter some tournaments that they can win since they are consistently out played and out classed at the NLF tournaments. How did those games go for you this weekend in NY? Looks like a lot of losses to me. "Take a Run" philosophy doesn't equal wins.

Not good. HHH combined 2-7 and didn’t even field a 2023 team.

It’s Fall Ball. There are High School conflicts. HHH 2022 was missing 3 defensive starters on Sunday. HHH went only lost 3 games last summer and a tourney championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe HHH should enter some tournaments that they can win since they are consistently out played and out classed at the NLF tournaments. How did those games go for you this weekend in NY? Looks like a lot of losses to me. "Take a Run" philosophy doesn't equal wins.

Not good. HHH combined 2-7 and didn’t even field a 2023 team.

It’s Fall Ball. There are High School conflicts. HHH 2022 was missing 3 defensive starters on Sunday. HHH went only lost 3 games last summer and a tourney championship.

HHH 2020 hasnt even made a winners bracket in at least 4 years

2020’s are a void in Philly. Low numbers and not much talent.

Coach G live on Instagram tonight at 7:30 talking about the innovative Duke's program and how it benefits the developing lacrosse player. You're not going to want to miss this informative event!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coach G live on Instagram tonight at 7:30 talking about the innovative Duke's program and how it benefits the developing lacrosse player. You're not going to want to miss this informative event!

would have been better if he would just start a go fund me page...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coach G live on Instagram tonight at 7:30 talking about the innovative Duke's program and how it benefits the developing lacrosse player. You're not going to want to miss this informative event!

Good Lord. Try not to trip on your ego on the way to the next IG Live event, G.

Coach G in Instagram Live tonight at 7:30. Looks like a weekly thing now. Get your questions in! Should be another informative session!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coach G in Instagram Live tonight at 7:30. Looks like a weekly thing now. Get your questions in! Should be another informative session!

Seriously, I hope he is paying BOTC for the advertising...false advertising at that..

Can we discuss the pricing for the Dukes? My understanding is the best kids do not pay and the 25 kids who show up to a tournament and barely get on the field pay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we discuss the pricing for the Dukes? My understanding is the best kids do not pay and the 25 kids who show up to a tournament and barely get on the field pay.

Correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we discuss the pricing for the Dukes? My understanding is the best kids do not pay and the 25 kids who show up to a tournament and barely get on the field pay.

Everyone who attends a tournament is supposed to pay for that event. Often those events are on the same weekend as a mini camp so families are already invested in the travel part of the equation.

Are there kids who barely see the field? Sure, but that's no different than any team that wants to win. When the going gets tough, the top players are in the game.

I suspect that guest players don't pay the tournament fee so yes, current players are likely subsidizing them. And it wouldn't surprise me if paying players are also subsidizing the kids who maybe can't afford the expense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we discuss the pricing for the Dukes? My understanding is the best kids do not pay and the 25 kids who show up to a tournament and barely get on the field pay.

Correct

Congratulations, you must be so proud that your son plays for Dukes Nationals!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we discuss the pricing for the Dukes? My understanding is the best kids do not pay and the 25 kids who show up to a tournament and barely get on the field pay.

Correct

Congratulations, you must be so proud that your son plays for Dukes Nationals!

Mine doesn't now as he's in high school this year. It is definitely true that some kids don't pay. It's the only reason my son played. Not worth the fees charged as they are way too high. G has the prices where they are so that they kids that do pay cover for the ones that play for free.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we discuss the pricing for the Dukes? My understanding is the best kids do not pay and the 25 kids who show up to a tournament and barely get on the field pay.

Correct

Completely true, not worth the time, money or aggravation your son/ family will go through with G and the way the team is managed. The process of how the team works will be explained in detail at the time you are getting the hard press to join just be aware it is not run anywhere near the way it is explained to parents and players. Good luck.

Talk about a hard sell. We got the call from Dukes (like I’m sure everyone else has). He was pressing hard, saying they check report cards and that we should be honored that Dukes wants our son to play with them. He also said that roster numbers are fluid and one day your above the “travel line”, the next day you’re not. If you don’t go to all the mini camps, your sons spot on the depth chart is at risk. The whole time he kept saying “it’s not for everybody”, over and over or that his model of ranking kids doesn’t fit every player, sound familiar?
Dukes preys on a parents ego, telling them what they want to hear in order to get their $$$$. I’m surprised any parent would actually fall for this. But you know what they say, a fool and his money are easily parted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Talk about a hard sell. We got the call from Dukes (like I’m sure everyone else has). He was pressing hard, saying they check report cards and that we should be honored that Dukes wants our son to play with them. He also said that roster numbers are fluid and one day your above the “travel line”, the next day you’re not. If you don’t go to all the mini camps, your sons spot on the depth chart is at risk. The whole time he kept saying “it’s not for everybody”, over and over or that his model of ranking kids doesn’t fit every player, sound familiar?
Dukes preys on a parents ego, telling them what they want to hear in order to get their $$$$. I’m surprised any parent would actually fall for this. But you know what they say, a fool and his money are easily parted.

We fell for it for a year or so, my son played. The report card aspect stopped about 2 years ago, right after they were supposed to have a banquet for the students athletes that parents paid for but the banquet was cancelled and parents had to chase up management for months to get the money back, if they ever did. The depth chart is a joke, no evaluations were ever provided to my son at any of the mini camps he attended around 15 of them. And yes, my son was above the travel line the entire time. Every tournament had 3/4 new players show up and play taking time from rostered kids. Still not sure why the kids below the travel line were not given opportunities to attend tournaments but kids not even on the team were. Plus,the kids on the team covered the cost of the tournament and show up players played for free. We got tired of the little to no communication, coach changes every couple of months and the increasing price of membership, equipment and mini-camps (started at $40 and ended at $85) with no change in mini camp practices. One positive of the experience was meeting some very nice families, my son is still friends with kids who were on the team with him. We are happy to be out and my son is getting better training and enjoyment out of playing lacrosse with a local travel team.

What about the constant Daddy Ball Coaches on Dukes Nationals? For the money your paying there should be paid coaches and not some guy just coaching their own son. Come on G, you need to do better with your customers money and provide a real service. That's why we left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the constant Daddy Ball Coaches on Dukes Nationals? For the money your paying there should be paid coaches and not some guy just coaching their own son. Come on G, you need to do better with your customers money and provide a real service. That's why we left.

Are there any dad coaches left? I thought that ended when the Freedom coaches left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the constant Daddy Ball Coaches on Dukes Nationals? For the money your paying there should be paid coaches and not some guy just coaching their own son. Come on G, you need to do better with your customers money and provide a real service. That's why we left.

Are there any dad coaches left? I thought that ended when the Freedom coaches left.

The head daddy G coaches his kids team now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the constant Daddy Ball Coaches on Dukes Nationals? For the money your paying there should be paid coaches and not some guy just coaching their own son. Come on G, you need to do better with your customers money and provide a real service. That's why we left.

Are there any dad coaches left? I thought that ended when the Freedom coaches left.

The head daddy G coaches his kids team now.

News to me. The 23s are coached by the guy from New York and the guy with a pony tail.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the constant Daddy Ball Coaches on Dukes Nationals? For the money your paying there should be paid coaches and not some guy just coaching their own son. Come on G, you need to do better with your customers money and provide a real service. That's why we left.

Are there any dad coaches left? I thought that ended when the Freedom coaches left.

The head daddy G coaches his kids team now.

News to me. The 23s are coached by the guy from New York and the guy with a pony tail.

Sure they are... Who coached the 23s at the last tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the constant Daddy Ball Coaches on Dukes Nationals? For the money your paying there should be paid coaches and not some guy just coaching their own son. Come on G, you need to do better with your customers money and provide a real service. That's why we left.

Are there any dad coaches left? I thought that ended when the Freedom coaches left.

The head daddy G coaches his kids team now.

News to me. The 23s are coached by the guy from New York and the guy with a pony tail.

Sure they are... Who coached the 23s at the last tournament?

Pony tail. The New York guy was sick and didn't make it. G was there as well, but was also on the sidelines when the 24s played.

The Dukes Nationals 2024 team has 2 Daddy Ball coaches. Well you get what you pay for. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the constant Daddy Ball Coaches on Dukes Nationals? For the money your paying there should be paid coaches and not some guy just coaching their own son. Come on G, you need to do better with your customers money and provide a real service. That's why we left.

Are there any dad coaches left? I thought that ended when the Freedom coaches left.

The head daddy G coaches his kids team now.

News to me. The 23s are coached by the guy from New York and the guy with a pony tail.

Sure they are... Who coached the 23s at the last tournament?

Pony tail. The New York guy was sick and didn't make it. G was there as well, but was also on the sidelines when the 24s played.

"G was there as well" Ha! G is on the sideline more often then the guy from ny and little G never leaves the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The head daddy G coaches his kids team now.

News to me. The 23s are coached by the guy from New York and the guy with a pony tail.

Sure they are... Who coached the 23s at the last tournament?

Pony tail. The New York guy was sick and didn't make it. G was there as well, but was also on the sidelines when the 24s played.

"G was there as well" Ha! G is on the sideline more often then the guy from ny and little G never leaves the field.

Apparently you're not a 23 Duke's parent or you would know better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The head daddy G coaches his kids team now.

News to me. The 23s are coached by the guy from New York and the guy with a pony tail.

Sure they are... Who coached the 23s at the last tournament?

Pony tail. The New York guy was sick and didn't make it. G was there as well, but was also on the sidelines when the 24s played.

"G was there as well" Ha! G is on the sideline more often then the guy from ny and little G never leaves the field.

Apparently you're not a 23 Duke's parent or you would know better

And apparently you’re willing to lie for G or weren’t at the last tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And apparently you’re willing to lie for G or weren’t at the last tournament

23 parent here. G is on the sidelines helping coach (no surprise there since it is technically his club) but the other 2 coaches run the team. The NY coach isn't there often, though, as he apparently has some health issues.

At Battle on the Bay, Little G got a good bit of playing time but he wasn't in all the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And apparently you’re willing to lie for G or weren’t at the last tournament

23 parent here. G is on the sidelines helping coach (no surprise there since it is technically his club) but the other 2 coaches run the team. The NY coach isn't there often, though, as he apparently has some health issues.

At Battle on the Bay, Little G got a good bit of playing time but he wasn't in all the time.

All you need to know from a 23 parent... "G is on the sidelines", "NY coach isn't there often", "little G got a good bit of playing time"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And apparently you’re willing to lie for G or weren’t at the last tournament

23 parent here. G is on the sidelines helping coach (no surprise there since it is technically his club) but the other 2 coaches run the team. The NY coach isn't there often, though, as he apparently has some health issues.

At Battle on the Bay, Little G got a good bit of playing time but he wasn't in all the time.

All you need to know from a 23 parent... "G is on the sidelines", "NY coach isn't there often", "little G got a good bit of playing time"

Another 23 parent here... agree with last comment

Another 23 parent here; most of the team wasn't at tryouts this weekend and the depth chart will not change..........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And apparently you’re willing to lie for G or weren’t at the last tournament

23 parent here. G is on the sidelines helping coach (no surprise there since it is technically his club) but the other 2 coaches run the team. The NY coach isn't there often, though, as he apparently has some health issues.

At Battle on the Bay, Little G got a good bit of playing time but he wasn't in all the time.

All you need to know from a 23 parent... "G is on the sidelines", "NY coach isn't there often", "little G got a good bit of playing time"

Another 23 parent here... agree with last comment

Who is the NY coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is the NY coach?

Jez

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another 23 parent here; most of the team wasn't at tryouts this weekend and the depth chart will not change..........

Sounds right, the G way. New Year, get ready for price increase in the program and new uniforms for the team yet again

Duke's Nationals New York? What the heck is that?

My 2023 son went to the Dukes Nationals minicamp. What is up with the Depth Chart. I don't think my son should have been ranked this high. Is this real or just a way to get my money?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2023 son went to the Dukes Nationals minicamp. What is up with the Depth Chart. I don't think my son should have been ranked this high. Is this real or just a way to get my money?

This has to be a troll. The depth chart isn't released until you have already paid into the program.

Bingo !

That's not true. G is trying to get your money anyway he can. The Dukes Nationals depth chart is a joke! There are players above the travel line that have not been to the mini camps in almost a year if not over a year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's not true. G is trying to get your money anyway he can. The Dukes Nationals depth chart is a joke! There are players above the travel line that have not been to the mini camps in almost a year if not over a year.

Exactly right. He will do whatever he can to get you to commit and pay for the registration for the year and hold mini camps over your sons head as a way to get more money and your son will drop below the travel line and then he will go radio silent with no movement in your sons spot. Save the time, money and aggravation and stay away, it's not worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's Nationals New York? What the heck is that?

I agree, what is this, "The Duke's Nationals of New York program is designed to cater to players of the highest caliber"? Does this not prove to be a complete conflict of interest to the entire Dukes National program, the players and parents of this program?? Looks like from the website they are running a 2023, 2024 and 2025 team same as the Regular Dukes Nationals. Must be some real trouble with the Dukes Nationals to start a state (NY) specific team as well. Money must be tight these days. Cannot wait to hear how this is explained away to the current players and parents of the Dukes National team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's Nationals New York? What the heck is that?

I agree, what is this, "The Duke's Nationals of New York program is designed to cater to players of the highest caliber"? Does this not prove to be a complete conflict of interest to the entire Dukes National program, the players and parents of this program?? Looks like from the website they are running a 2023, 2024 and 2025 team same as the Regular Dukes Nationals. Must be some real trouble with the Dukes Nationals to start a state (NY) specific team as well. Money must be tight these days. Cannot wait to hear how this is explained away to the current players and parents of the Dukes National team.

Simple DN "jumped the shark" and they need a new location to keep the money flowing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's Nationals New York? What the heck is that?

I agree, what is this, "The Duke's Nationals of New York program is designed to cater to players of the highest caliber"? Does this not prove to be a complete conflict of interest to the entire Dukes National program, the players and parents of this program?? Looks like from the website they are running a 2023, 2024 and 2025 team same as the Regular Dukes Nationals. Must be some real trouble with the Dukes Nationals to start a state (NY) specific team as well. Money must be tight these days. Cannot wait to hear how this is explained away to the current players and parents of the Dukes National team.

It's the exact same web site as Duke's Nationals. Same message. Same everything.

Not sure how Duke's can manage to have 2 national teams.

Why does Dukes Nationals have Dad Coaches? For that amount of money you should have paid professional coaches, and their sons are always at the top of the Depth Chart..

It wasn't explained at all to us or at least me! 2023 parent here! What does that mean for tournaments now? Philly Dukes will play NY Dukes? Come on!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It wasn't explained at all to us or at least me! 2023 parent here! What does that mean for tournaments now? Philly Dukes will play NY Dukes? Come on!!!!

There are no philly dukes kids on that 2023 DN team, good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2023 son went to the Dukes Nationals minicamp. What is up with the Depth Chart. I don't think my son should have been ranked this high. Is this real or just a way to get my money?

This has to be a troll. The depth chart isn't released until you have already paid into the program.

NOT TRUE.....my son played with the 23s last year but not this year and we still get the depth chart sent to us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 2023 son went to the Dukes Nationals minicamp. What is up with the Depth Chart. I don't think my son should have been ranked this high. Is this real or just a way to get my money?

This has to be a troll. The depth chart isn't released until you have already paid into the program.

NOT TRUE.....my son played with the 23s last year but not this year and we still get the depth chart sent to us.

Depth chart is only distributed via the SI Play app. It is not sent via email. If you're not with DN anymore, delete the app.

Is G having the Dukes Nationals January Minicamp outside again? Didn't here learn his lesson last year when he had it outside in Maryland during a snow storm when you couldn't even see you hands in front of your face let alone the ball and kids were sliding around like bowling balls. By the way there was a warm indoor facility 40 feet away that was open and available.Can you explain this please?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is G having the Dukes Nationals January Minicamp outside again? Didn't here learn his lesson last year when he had it outside in Maryland during a snow storm when you couldn't even see you hands in front of your face let alone the ball and kids were sliding around like bowling balls. By the way there was a warm indoor facility 40 feet away that was open and available.Can you explain this please?

It's all about the bottom line, rent what is cheapest even if it is bad for the players, need to make as much money as possible. The same thing with the NY State Duke's Nationals that was just created...show me the money!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is G having the Dukes Nationals January Minicamp outside again? Didn't here learn his lesson last year when he had it outside in Maryland during a snow storm when you couldn't even see you hands in front of your face let alone the ball and kids were sliding around like bowling balls. By the way there was a warm indoor facility 40 feet away that was open and available.Can you explain this please?

Looks like snow on Saturday in Baltimore Saturday evening. Good thing they moved that mini-camp to 3pm! Beat the snow!

Skip the mini camp, go to Laxcon!

Just finished outside Minicamp - boys had a blast - great numbers as always- Coach Petro talked to the boys giving them great words of wisdom, 4 JHU players stayed and coached kids to include Captains! BTW Dukes 2024 ranked 5th in Nation by US Club lax for Summer/fall 2018. I’ll take that as a dad and fan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just finished outside Minicamp - boys had a blast - great numbers as always- Coach Petro talked to the boys giving them great words of wisdom, 4 JHU players stayed and coached kids to include Captains! BTW Dukes 2024 ranked 5th in Nation by USCL for Summer/fall 2018. I’ll take that as a dad and fan.

Thanks G, appreciate the update. Now explain how the NY State Duke's Nationals 2023 is not a conflict of interest to the Duke's Nationals 2023 team???? Sounds like double dipping for some extra cash. How do the two teams compete together, what play each other in the tournaments??

[/quote]Thanks G, appreciate the update. Now explain how the NY State Duke's Nationals 2023 is not a conflict of interest to the Duke's Nationals 2023 team???? Sounds like double dipping for some extra cash. How do the two teams compete together, what play each other in the tournaments??[/quote]

Welcome to the franchise, pay your money on time, but don't expect to be invited to events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote]Thanks G, appreciate the update. Now explain how the NY State Duke's Nationals 2023 is not a conflict of interest to the Duke's Nationals 2023 team???? Sounds like double dipping for some extra cash. How do the two teams compete together, what play each other in the tournaments??

Not sure about this question of conflict of interest. Dukes Nationals is still national?? There is already a Duke's VA and PA so why not NY? What is the issue? Many clubs teams in multiple locations. The National team attracts players from all over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote] Thanks G, appreciate the update. Now explain how the NY State Duke's Nationals 2023 is not a conflict of interest to the Duke's Nationals 2023 team???? Sounds like double dipping for some extra cash. How do the two teams compete together, what play each other in the tournaments??

Not sure about this question of conflict of interest. Dukes Nationals is still national?? There is already a Duke's VA and PA so why not NY? What is the issue? Many clubs teams in multiple locations. The National team attracts players from all over.[/quote]

The Duke's NY state team is promoting itself as a National team exactly the same as the Duke's Nationals team, G does not run the affiliated Duke's clubs out of the other states (VA & PA) if it was an affiliate of the original Duke's no problem but since it is marketed as a National team and G is running it, it is a complete conflict of interest against Duke's national team that is already in existence. What will they do, move all the NY players already on the Duke's National team to the Dukes NY national team? What teams go to what National tournaments? Both??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote] Thanks G, appreciate the update. Now explain how the NY State Duke's Nationals 2023 is not a conflict of interest to the Duke's Nationals 2023 team???? Sounds like double dipping for some extra cash. How do the two teams compete together, what play each other in the tournaments??

Not sure about this question of conflict of interest. Dukes Nationals is still national?? There is already a Duke's VA and PA so why not NY? What is the issue? Many clubs teams in multiple locations. The National team attracts players from all over.[/quote]

The Duke's NY state team is promoting itself as a National team exactly the same as the Duke's Nationals team, G does not run the affiliated Duke's clubs out of the other states (VA and PA) if it was an affiliate of the original Duke's no problem but since it is marketed as a National team and G is running it, it is a complete conflict of interest against Duke's national team that is already in existence. What will they do, move all the NY players already on the Duke's National team to the Dukes NY national team? What teams go to what National tournaments? Both?? [/quote]

Wouldn't it be up to the player/parent to decide? We sign up for the mini camp. Just sign up for the one you feel is a better fit. They run the team but they cannot make you drive to upstate NY. As far as tournaments go, many clubs do face one another but some try to avoid it in the scheduling if they can. As a new team, who even knows if the NY team will be at the level to play the same event. Have not even had a tryout yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks G, appreciate the update. Now explain how the NY State Duke's Nationals 2023 is not a conflict of interest to the Duke's Nationals 2023 team???? Sounds like double dipping for some extra cash. How do the two teams compete together, what play each other in the tournaments??

Not sure about this question of conflict of interest. Dukes Nationals is still national?? There is already a Duke's VA and PA so why not NY? What is the issue? Many clubs teams in multiple locations. The National team attracts players from all over.[/quote]

The Duke's NY state team is promoting itself as a National team exactly the same as the Duke's Nationals team, G does not run the affiliated Duke's clubs out of the other states (VA and PA) if it was an affiliate of the original Duke's no problem but since it is marketed as a National team and G is running it, it is a complete conflict of interest against Duke's national team that is already in existence. What will they do, move all the NY players already on the Duke's National team to the Dukes NY national team? What teams go to what National tournaments? Both?? [/quote]
Wouldn't it be up to the player/parent to decide? We sign up for the mini camp. Just sign up for the one you feel is a better fit. They run the team but they cannot make you drive to upstate NY. As far as tournaments go, many clubs do face one another but some try to avoid it in the scheduling if they can. As a new team, who even knows if the NY team will be at the level to play the same event. Have not even had a tryout yet.[/quote]

*G tried to start a Dukes National Girls team too-never had one tryout!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just finished outside Minicamp - boys had a blast - great numbers as always- Coach Petro talked to the boys giving them great words of wisdom, 4 JHU players stayed and coached kids to include Captains! BTW Dukes 2024 ranked 5th in Nation by US Club lax for Summer/fall 2018. I’ll take that as a dad and fan.

US Club has no clue what they are talking about. They had teams ranked in top 10 that lost more than once to teams not ranked...
and you as a parent aren't naive enough to think that the Dukes 24 is even in the top 10...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks G, appreciate the update. Now explain how the NY State Duke's Nationals 2023 is not a conflict of interest to the Duke's Nationals 2023 team???? Sounds like double dipping for some extra cash. How do the two teams compete together, what play each other in the tournaments??

Not sure about this question of conflict of interest. Dukes Nationals is still national?? There is already a Duke's VA and PA so why not NY? What is the issue? Many clubs teams in multiple locations. The National team attracts players from all over.[/quote]

The Duke's NY state team is promoting itself as a National team exactly the same as the Duke's Nationals team, G does not run the affiliated Duke's clubs out of the other states (VA & PA) if it was an affiliate of the original Duke's no problem but since it is marketed as a National team and G is running it, it is a complete conflict of interest against Duke's national team that is already in existence. What will they do, move all the NY players already on the Duke's National team to the Dukes NY national team? What teams go to what National tournaments? Both?? [/quote]

who cares Dukes stink!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks G, appreciate the update. Now explain how the NY State Duke's Nationals 2023 is not a conflict of interest to the Duke's Nationals 2023 team???? Sounds like double dipping for some extra cash. How do the two teams compete together, what play each other in the tournaments??

Not sure about this question of conflict of interest. Dukes Nationals is still national?? There is already a Duke's VA and PA so why not NY? What is the issue? Many clubs teams in multiple locations. The National team attracts players from all over.

The Duke's NY state team is promoting itself as a National team exactly the same as the Duke's Nationals team, G does not run the affiliated Duke's clubs out of the other states (VA & PA) if it was an affiliate of the original Duke's no problem but since it is marketed as a National team and G is running it, it is a complete conflict of interest against Duke's national team that is already in existence. What will they do, move all the NY players already on the Duke's National team to the Dukes NY national team? What teams go to what National tournaments? Both?? [/quote]

who cares Dukes stink!!!![/quote]

Agreed!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who cares Dukes stink!!!!

Agreed!!

I disagree. Is Duke's Nationals a complete and utter political mess that is run by a child? Absolutely! But the reality is that there are quite a few excellent players on DN and they field some pretty competitive teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who cares Dukes stink!!!!

Agreed!!

I disagree. Is Duke's Nationals a complete and utter political mess that is run by a child? Absolutely! But the reality is that there are quite a few excellent players on DN and they field some pretty competitive teams.

Not for long. All those kids play on other competitive teams and will stay with them for HS just like the 2022s.

This dad is not G! Dukes 2024 was ranked correctly. Look at record over last 2 summers. NAPTOWN 2nd place Beat Taz in semi! Battle By Bay 2nd place only loss MADLAX. No new players like many of you claim. Everyone pays, much against many of your accusations. Great team, great families, great coaches better kids! John Christmas Head Coach Not a “Daddy”. Stop talking $£^t when you don’t know what you’re talking about!!

Your ignorant - Dukes Nationals is a feeder to Dukes Elite! Endgame is to play for Ebe and Dukes Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This dad is not G! Dukes 2024 was ranked correctly. Look at record over last 2 summers. NAPTOWN 2nd place Beat Taz in semi! Battle By Bay 2nd place only loss MADLAX. No new players like many of you claim. Everyone pays, much against many of your accusations. Great team, great families, great coaches better kids! John Christmas Head Coach Not a “Daddy”. Stop talking $£^t when you don’t know what you’re talking about!!

Ha. Since when does John Christmas commute from CA to coach the 2024 team?

There is no Daddy Ball on Dukes Nationals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no Daddy Ball on Dukes Nationals

fake news - 2024 dukes nationals has 2 dad coaches - but make no mistake- G manipulates the depth chart as a way to stink you in or keep you depending on when he needs money etc, one of the dad coaches kids are always #1 middi or attack

Since Aug 2018. Great Coach! His approach with the boys is unbelievable.
Yes 2 dad coaches - 1 was MLL player bot are good coaches. The three of them work well together. I have no complaints.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since Aug 2018. Great Coach! His approach with the boys is unbelievable.
Yes 2 dad coaches - 1 was MLL player bot are good coaches. The three of them work well together. I have no complaints.

Finally the truth... 2 dads, a controlling owner with no conscience, and a fictional coach from CA.

So how is Coach Christmas coming to mini camps and coaching the boys at Battle by the Bay a fictional coach?

You sound like a parent who liked Dukes when it was knew and not fully rostered but has issue with it now that your kid no longer is on it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how is Coach Christmas coming to mini camps and coaching the boys at Battle by the Bay a fictional coach?

You sound like a parent who liked Dukes when it was knew and not fully rostered but has issue with it now that your kid no longer is on it!

I get it you're excited, he stood on the sideline with your kid once.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how is Coach Christmas coming to mini camps and coaching the boys at Battle by the Bay a fictional coach?

You sound like a parent who liked Dukes when it was knew and not fully rostered but has issue with it now that your kid no longer is on it!

I get it you're excited, he stood on the sideline with your kid once.

Since you like to spread so many lies about Duke’s let’s explore your comment.... Duke’s doesn’t load a roster with 20-25 kids like so many other elite teams. NO kid stands on the sidelines too long because the rosters are perfect size. Only 3-5 total subs at any tourney. Tons of touches.

When did your kid drop below the travel line and you stopped going to dukes? Would love to know if the kids “stood on the sideline” together. The parents since we joined have been awesome so I guess you were gone before we joined.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how is Coach Christmas coming to mini camps and coaching the boys at Battle by the Bay a fictional coach?

You sound like a parent who liked Dukes when it was knew and not fully rostered but has issue with it now that your kid no longer is on it!

I get it you're excited, he stood on the sideline with your kid once.

Since you like to spread so many lies about Duke’s let’s explore your comment.... Duke’s doesn’t load a roster with 20-25 kids like so many other elite teams. NO kid stands on the sidelines too long because the rosters are perfect size. Only 3-5 total subs at any tourney. Tons of touches.

When did your kid drop below the travel line and you stopped going to dukes? Would love to know if the kids “stood on the sideline” together. The parents since we joined have been awesome so I guess you were gone before we joined.

Thanks G. Fake News

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how is Coach Christmas coming to mini camps and coaching the boys at Battle by the Bay a fictional coach?

You sound like a parent who liked Dukes when it was knew and not fully rostered but has issue with it now that your kid no longer is on it!

I get it you're excited, he stood on the sideline with your kid once.

Since you like to spread so many lies about Duke’s let’s explore your comment.... Duke’s doesn’t load a roster with 20-25 kids like so many other elite teams. NO kid stands on the sidelines too long because the rosters are perfect size. Only 3-5 total subs at any tourney. Tons of touches.

When did your kid drop below the travel line and you stopped going to dukes? Would love to know if the kids “stood on the sideline” together. The parents since we joined have been awesome so I guess you were gone before we joined.

Thanks G. Fake News

Love that G gets blamed for my posts. The core group of Dukes is a fantastic group and second best 2024 team behind Madlax. Wish the 100 mile rule didn’t exhaust with WSoL. Dukes would compete for championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how is Coach Christmas coming to mini camps and coaching the boys at Battle by the Bay a fictional coach?

You sound like a parent who liked Dukes when it was knew and not fully rostered but has issue with it now that your kid no longer is on it!

I get it you're excited, he stood on the sideline with your kid once.

Since you like to spread so many lies about Duke’s let’s explore your comment.... Duke’s doesn’t load a roster with 20-25 kids like so many other elite teams. NO kid stands on the sidelines too long because the rosters are perfect size. Only 3-5 total subs at any tourney. Tons of touches.

When did your kid drop below the travel line and you stopped going to dukes? Would love to know if the kids “stood on the sideline” together. The parents since we joined have been awesome so I guess you were gone before we joined.

Thanks G. Fake News

Love that G gets blamed for my posts. The core group of Dukes is a fantastic group and second best 2024 team behind Madlax. Wish the 100 mile rule didn’t exhaust with WSoL. Dukes would compete for championship.

G - Your forgetting the 9/1 cut-off date,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So how is Coach Christmas coming to mini camps and coaching the boys at Battle by the Bay a fictional coach?

You sound like a parent who liked Dukes when it was knew and not fully rostered but has issue with it now that your kid no longer is on it!

I get it you're excited, he stood on the sideline with your kid once.

Since you like to spread so many lies about Duke’s let’s explore your comment.... Duke’s doesn’t load a roster with 20-25 kids like so many other elite teams. NO kid stands on the sidelines too long because the rosters are perfect size. Only 3-5 total subs at any tourney. Tons of touches.

When did your kid drop below the travel line and you stopped going to dukes? Would love to know if the kids “stood on the sideline” together. The parents since we joined have been awesome so I guess you were gone before we joined.

Thanks G. Fake News

Love that G gets blamed for my posts. The core group of Dukes is a fantastic group and second best 2024 team behind Madlax. Wish the 100 mile rule didn’t exhaust with WSoL. Dukes would compete for championship.

G - Your forgetting the 9/1 cut-off date,

Your right, my kid gets his learning permit in July. I guess he is too old but on the positive side, he is taking Algebra 2 in 7th grade. Reclassing 3 times has its advantages.

Dukes Nationals is NOT second best behind Madlax at 2024 we gave you a beating at Naptown in the championship game last yearI think it was 10-3 not positive, whatever the score it was a LOT to LIttle and we beat Brotherly Love in the Semis by a score of 7-6 and that game could have gone either way. With our team not even breaking the top 10 in the World Series Rankings (which is another story in itself not sure how that happened) but regardless Dukes Nationals is not even top 10 at 2024.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is NOT second best behind Madlax at 2024 we gave you a beating at Naptown in the championship game last yearI think it was 10-3 not positive, whatever the score it was a LOT to LIttle and we beat Brotherly Love in the Semis by a score of 7-6 and that game could have gone either way. With our team not even breaking the top 10 in the World Series Rankings (which is another story in itself not sure how that happened) but regardless Dukes Nationals is not even top 10 at 2024.

Dukes had 1 sub played 7 games and had just beat Taz in the best game of the weekend. BBL championship game didn’t matter. Dukes team that played Fall Battle by the Bay would have no prob vs BBL or Brotherly Love.

Hmmm. Madlax 2024 didn't play Naptown. Sounds like you need to do some fact checking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is NOT second best behind Madlax at 2024 we gave you a beating at Naptown in the championship game last yearI think it was 10-3 not positive, whatever the score it was a LOT to LIttle and we beat Brotherly Love in the Semis by a score of 7-6 and that game could have gone either way. With our team not even breaking the top 10 in the World Series Rankings (which is another story in itself not sure how that happened) but regardless Dukes Nationals is not even top 10 at 2024.

Dukes had 1 sub played 7 games and had just beat Taz in the best game of the weekend. BBL championship game didn’t matter. Dukes team that played Fall Battle by the Bay would have no prob vs BBL or Brotherly Love.

your ranks are lower because the team is made up of kids from all over. If you put it into perspective, Dukes should roll over every team but they don’t . Plan and simple .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmmm. Madlax 2024 didn't play Naptown. Sounds like you need to do some fact checking.

Who ever said they did??? Reread posts, NAPTOWN BBL; Battle by Bay MADLAX.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is NOT second best behind Madlax at 2024 we gave you a beating at Naptown in the championship game last yearI think it was 10-3 not positive, whatever the score it was a LOT to LIttle and we beat Brotherly Love in the Semis by a score of 7-6 and that game could have gone either way. With our team not even breaking the top 10 in the World Series Rankings (which is another story in itself not sure how that happened) but regardless Dukes Nationals is not even top 10 at 2024.

Dukes had 1 sub played 7 games and had just beat Taz in the best game of the weekend. BBL championship game didn’t matter. Dukes team that played Fall Battle by the Bay would have no prob vs BBL or Brotherly Love.

your ranks are lower because the team is made up of kids from all over. If you put it into perspective, Dukes should roll over every team but they don’t . Plan and simple .

My kid could play with Philly kids anytime. With Dukes he plays with MD, NY, CT, FL, MI, VA, & NH kids. In 2 years has played at 14 college fields, coached by many of their players. This summer went 16-3 and this Fall Finished second to #1 team in country. Been ranked 5th in country having split with Taz, losing to Madlax and not playing the other 3 ahead of them. Say what you want about G - we have had a great experience and my kid has made some great friends through the team. After the last two mini camps with the Defense they picked up since Aug; I would put them up against anyone. Will be a great summer, See you at Naptown again!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is NOT second best behind Madlax at 2024 we gave you a beating at Naptown in the championship game last yearI think it was 10-3 not positive, whatever the score it was a LOT to LIttle and we beat Brotherly Love in the Semis by a score of 7-6 and that game could have gone either way. With our team not even breaking the top 10 in the World Series Rankings (which is another story in itself not sure how that happened) but regardless Dukes Nationals is not even top 10 at 2024.

Dukes had 1 sub played 7 games and had just beat Taz in the best game of the weekend. BBL championship game didn’t matter. Dukes team that played Fall Battle by the Bay would have no prob vs BBL or Brotherly Love.

Hmmmm. I looked this up the original post is correct. So please elaborate you had 11 players on the whole roster that played 7 games in July? Or you had two middie lines and one sub beyond that which is 14....are you saying you didn't even have a second midfield line?

What do you mean "BBL Championship Game didn't matter"....it is ok to say you got beat by a better team that day.

Usually a score of 10-3 is an accurate indication of who is the better team, even if just for one day.

Buehler.....Buehler.....Ferris Buehler....is there a Ferris Buehler?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is NOT second best behind Madlax at 2024 we gave you a beating at Naptown in the championship game last yearI think it was 10-3 not positive, whatever the score it was a LOT to LIttle and we beat Brotherly Love in the Semis by a score of 7-6 and that game could have gone either way. With our team not even breaking the top 10 in the World Series Rankings (which is another story in itself not sure how that happened) but regardless Dukes Nationals is not even top 10 at 2024.

Dukes had 1 sub played 7 games and had just beat Taz in the best game of the weekend. BBL championship game didn’t matter. Dukes team that played Fall Battle by the Bay would have no prob vs BBL or Brotherly Love.

Hmmmm. I looked this up the original post is correct. So please elaborate you had 11 players on the whole roster that played 7 games in July? Or you had two middie lines and one sub beyond that which is 14....are you saying you didn't even have a second midfield line?

What do you mean "BBL Championship Game didn't matter"....it is ok to say you got beat by a better team that day.

Usually a score of 10-3 is an accurate indication of who is the better team, even if just for one day.

All you "peaked in middle school" dads living vicariously through your kids...sad really

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is NOT second best behind Madlax at 2024 we gave you a beating at Naptown in the championship game last yearI think it was 10-3 not positive, whatever the score it was a LOT to LIttle and we beat Brotherly Love in the Semis by a score of 7-6 and that game could have gone either way. With our team not even breaking the top 10 in the World Series Rankings (which is another story in itself not sure how that happened) but regardless Dukes Nationals is not even top 10 at 2024.

Dukes had 1 sub played 7 games and had just beat Taz in the best game of the weekend. BBL championship game didn’t matter. Dukes team that played Fall Battle by the Bay would have no prob vs BBL or Brotherly Love.

your ranks are lower because the team is made up of kids from all over. If you put it into perspective, Dukes should roll over every team but they don’t . Plan and simple .

My kid could play with Philly kids anytime. With Dukes he plays with MD, NY, CT, FL, MI, VA, & NH kids. In 2 years has played at 14 college fields, coached by many of their players. This summer went 16-3 and this Fall Finished second to #1 team in country. Been ranked 5th in country having split with Taz, losing to Madlax and not playing the other 3 ahead of them. Say what you want about G - we have had a great experience and my kid has made some great friends through the team. After the last two mini camps with the Defense they picked up since Aug; I would put them up against anyone. Will be a great summer, See you at Naptown again!!

Thanks G. Endless promotion..Fake news

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is NOT second best behind Madlax at 2024 we gave you a beating at Naptown in the championship game last yearI think it was 10-3 not positive, whatever the score it was a LOT to LIttle and we beat Brotherly Love in the Semis by a score of 7-6 and that game could have gone either way. With our team not even breaking the top 10 in the World Series Rankings (which is another story in itself not sure how that happened) but regardless Dukes Nationals is not even top 10 at 2024.

Dukes had 1 sub played 7 games and had just beat Taz in the best game of the weekend. BBL championship game didn’t matter. Dukes team that played Fall Battle by the Bay would have no prob vs BBL or Brotherly Love.

your ranks are lower because the team is made up of kids from all over. If you put it into perspective, Dukes should roll over every team but they don’t . Plan and simple .

My kid could play with Philly kids anytime. With Dukes he plays with MD, NY, CT, FL, MI, VA, & NH kids. In 2 years has played at 14 college fields, coached by many of their players. This summer went 16-3 and this Fall Finished second to #1 team in country. Been ranked 5th in country having split with Taz, losing to Madlax and not playing the other 3 ahead of them. Say what you want about G - we have had a great experience and my kid has made some great friends through the team. After the last two mini camps with the Defense they picked up since Aug; I would put them up against anyone. Will be a great summer, See you at Naptown again!!

Thanks G. Endless promotion..Fake news

Thanks R right back at you

[quote=Anonymous
My kid could play with Philly kids anytime. With Dukes he plays with MD, NY, CT, FL, MI, VA, & NH kids. In 2 years has played at 14 college fields, coached by many of their players. This summer went 16-3 and this Fall Finished second to #1 team in country. Been ranked 5th in country having split with Taz, losing to Madlax and not playing the other 3 ahead of them. Say what you want about G - we have had a great experience and my kid has made some great friends through the team. After the last two mini camps with the Defense they picked up since Aug; I would put them up against anyone. Will be a great summer, See you at Naptown again!!
[/quote]

See, this is the problem with G. Everything is great until it isn't. You'll be sitting there singing the praises of the program because you feel like your kid is getting something out of it and then suddenly G gets a bug up his Meanyabout your kid, your club team, or he completely changes his mind about the events or how the program is going to be run moving forward. Then you realize that so much of the program is a fantasy and that your satisfaction is directly tied to the whims of a self-serving scatterbrained individual who makes emotional decisions based on his belief that he and his program are the center of the universe. His actions, which at times seem irrational, all seem to benefit his ego at the expense of the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous
My kid could play with Philly kids anytime. With Dukes he plays with MD, NY, CT, FL, MI, VA, & NH kids. In 2 years has played at 14 college fields, coached by many of their players. This summer went 16-3 and this Fall Finished second to #1 team in country. Been ranked 5th in country having split with Taz, losing to Madlax and not playing the other 3 ahead of them. Say what you want about G - we have had a great experience and my kid has made some great friends through the team. After the last two mini camps with the Defense they picked up since Aug; I would put them up against anyone. Will be a great summer, See you at Naptown again!!

See, this is the problem with G. Everything is great until it isn't. You'll be sitting there singing the praises of the program because you feel like your kid is getting something out of it and then suddenly G gets a bug up his Meanyabout your kid, your club team, or he completely changes his mind about the events or how the program is going to be run moving forward. Then you realize that so much of the program is a fantasy and that your satisfaction is directly tied to the whims of a self-serving scatterbrained individual who makes emotional decisions based on his belief that he and his program are the center of the universe. His actions, which at times seem irrational, all seem to benefit his ego at the expense of the kids.[/quote]

You could sum up 85% of all club owners with that statement.

G has been very busy, new Nationals website, more teams...keep the money coming!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

See, this is the problem with G. Everything is great until it isn't. You'll be sitting there singing the praises of the program because you feel like your kid is getting something out of it and then suddenly G gets a bug up his Meanyabout your kid, your club team, or he completely changes his mind about the events or how the program is going to be run moving forward. Then you realize that so much of the program is a fantasy and that your satisfaction is directly tied to the whims of a self-serving scatterbrained individual who makes emotional decisions based on his belief that he and his program are the center of the universe. His actions, which at times seem irrational, all seem to benefit his ego at the expense of the kids.

*at the expense of all kids except HIS kid.

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

Don't bother, save your money and use it for some real one on one training for your son. It is a waste of time and tons of money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

Don't bother, save your money and use it for some real one on one training for your son. It is a waste of time and tons of money.

Need more.. why is it a waste of money?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

Don't bother, save your money and use it for some real one on one training for your son. It is a waste of time and tons of money.

Need more.. why is it a waste of money?

Just read the posts on this forum for all the information you need to make a informed decision about the club and buyer beware!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

My son and I have been very happy with Dukes Nationals. We have stayed out of the drama (there is Drama on all teams) the chance to play with kid from many states, visit colleges and have players or coaches from any of those colleges come out and interact with or coach the kids has been very cool experience.

The 25’s are not very deep now so if your son can play he will get a lot of touches.

Haters will reply to this “Nice promo G” this is not G. Some of the criticism in the 70+ pages of posts are legit. Could use better communication. Could have had more stable coaching. There are dad coaches. However our experience has been better than those things have been bad.

For us it has been worth the $.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

My son and I have been very happy with Dukes Nationals. We have stayed out of the drama (there is Drama on all teams) the chance to play with kid from many states, visit colleges and have players or coaches from any of those colleges come out and interact with or coach the kids has been very cool experience.

The 25’s are not very deep now so if your son can play he will get a lot of touches.

Haters will reply to this “Nice promo G” this is not G. Some of the criticism in the 70+ pages of posts are legit. Could use better communication. Could have had more stable coaching. There are dad coaches. However our experience has been better than those things have been bad.

For us it has been worth the $.

OK, thanks G.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

My son and I have been very happy with Dukes Nationals. We have stayed out of the drama (there is Drama on all teams) the chance to play with kid from many states, visit colleges and have players or coaches from any of those colleges come out and interact with or coach the kids has been very cool experience.

The 25’s are not very deep now so if your son can play he will get a lot of touches.

Haters will reply to this “Nice promo G” this is not G. Some of the criticism in the 70+ pages of posts are legit. Could use better communication. Could have had more stable coaching. There are dad coaches. However our experience has been better than those things have been bad.

For us it has been worth the $.

OK, thanks G.

Your just a dumb butt! Hate that someone has had a good experience. I can’t emphasize enough this isn’t G. We aren’t n it for G. We may be in it despite G. The families and the experience is why we’re in it.. if you are not a guy from Philly that pimps his kid out to any team that will have him and actually interested in the program we are happy with Dukes and you will be too. If your kid is a low skilled player who can’t make a quality team then you will hate and think this is written by the director of the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

My son and I have been very happy with Dukes Nationals. We have stayed out of the drama (there is Drama on all teams) the chance to play with kid from many states, visit colleges and have players or coaches from any of those colleges come out and interact with or coach the kids has been very cool experience.

The 25’s are not very deep now so if your son can play he will get a lot of touches.

Haters will reply to this “Nice promo G” this is not G. Some of the criticism in the 70+ pages of posts are legit. Could use better communication. Could have had more stable coaching. There are dad coaches. However our experience has been better than those things have been bad.

For us it has been worth the $.

Here are the 5 emotional stages of being a Duke's parent:

1) Hope and desire - you've been to the mini camp and see all the ballers. You are excited to be on the team. Wow, so much potential. Your son is going to really grow with this team. You happily write the check.

2) Doubt sets in - a few bad mini camps (maybe one in the snow like last year) or the schedule keeps getting changed. You start to wonder what is going on and whether G really cares about the kids. Or maybe he's in financial trouble. You're not sure, but something doesn't seem right. But your kid is having a good time so you go with the flow. Those posts on BOTC can't be true, can they? I mean, everyone who says bad stuff about Duke's was on the bottom of the depth chart. That has to be it, right?

3) Euphoria - your kid plays in a tournament and you win (or do really well!) and you're excited. You're playing with a lot of talent. This has to be good for your son (and probably is if he gets playing time.) You really like some of the coaches and realize there is some real quality in this program. You even consider putting that Duke's magnet on the back of the family truckster. Buy that Duke's sweatshirt or tight Duke's Mom t-shirt at the next mini-camp!

4) Disappointment - something changes. Perhaps you put a bunch of events in the calendar that didn't materialize. Perhaps G decided to start coaching your team and suddenly the excellent coaches who made sure the team was balanced and competitive aren't a factor. Maybe G doesn't like you anymore because of who you are or who your club team might be. Or maybe you start to realize that 90% of what is said to parents at mini camp is a bunch of complete BS. (Oh, you have a secret way of getting an 8th grader in front of college coaches right now?!?!?! Wink wink!) You see that they have been dangling this carrot called Duke's Elite and college recruiting in front of you all this time but is it real? Maybe not. You paid your money for tournaments but kids you have never seen before show up with a uniform and play. And you find out that they didn't pay a penny. You're subsidizing ringers!

5) Disgust - you spend your days posting trash about Duke's on BOTC to warn other families to not waste their money. It becomes your personal mission.

So are you a state 1 or stage 3 parent?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

My son and I have been very happy with Dukes Nationals. We have stayed out of the drama (there is Drama on all teams) the chance to play with kid from many states, visit colleges and have players or coaches from any of those colleges come out and interact with or coach the kids has been very cool experience.

The 25’s are not very deep now so if your son can play he will get a lot of touches.

Haters will reply to this “Nice promo G” this is not G. Some of the criticism in the 70+ pages of posts are legit. Could use better communication. Could have had more stable coaching. There are dad coaches. However our experience has been better than those things have been bad.

For us it has been worth the $.

OK, thanks G.

Your just a dumb butt! Hate that someone has had a good experience. I can’t emphasize enough this isn’t G. We aren’t n it for G. We may be in it despite G. The families and the experience is why we’re in it.. if you are not a guy from Philly that pimps his kid out to any team that will have him and actually interested in the program we are happy with Dukes and you will be too. If your kid is a low skilled player who can’t make a quality team then you will hate and think this is written by the director of the program.

Sure thing G.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about Dukes National '25 team?

My son and I have been very happy with Dukes Nationals. We have stayed out of the drama (there is Drama on all teams) the chance to play with kid from many states, visit colleges and have players or coaches from any of those colleges come out and interact with or coach the kids has been very cool experience.

The 25’s are not very deep now so if your son can play he will get a lot of touches.

Haters will reply to this “Nice promo G” this is not G. Some of the criticism in the 70+ pages of posts are legit. Could use better communication. Could have had more stable coaching. There are dad coaches. However our experience has been better than those things have been bad.

For us it has been worth the $.

Here are the 5 emotional stages of being a Duke's parent:

1) Hope and desire - you've been to the mini camp and see all the ballers. You are excited to be on the team. Wow, so much potential. Your son is going to really grow with this team. You happily write the check.

2) Doubt sets in - a few bad mini camps (maybe one in the snow like last year) or the schedule keeps getting changed. You start to wonder what is going on and whether G really cares about the kids. Or maybe he's in financial trouble. You're not sure, but something doesn't seem right. But your kid is having a good time so you go with the flow. Those posts on BOTC can't be true, can they? I mean, everyone who says bad stuff about Duke's was on the bottom of the depth chart. That has to be it, right?

3) Euphoria - your kid plays in a tournament and you win (or do really well!) and you're excited. You're playing with a lot of talent. This has to be good for your son (and probably is if he gets playing time.) You really like some of the coaches and realize there is some real quality in this program. You even consider putting that Duke's magnet on the back of the family truckster. Buy that Duke's sweatshirt or tight Duke's Mom t-shirt at the next mini-camp!

4) Disappointment - something changes. Perhaps you put a bunch of events in the calendar that didn't materialize. Perhaps G decided to start coaching your team and suddenly the excellent coaches who made sure the team was balanced and competitive aren't a factor. Maybe G doesn't like you anymore because of who you are or who your club team might be. Or maybe you start to realize that 90% of what is said to parents at mini camp is a bunch of complete BS. (Oh, you have a secret way of getting an 8th grader in front of college coaches right now?!?!?! Wink wink!) You see that they have been dangling this carrot called Duke's Elite and college recruiting in front of you all this time but is it real? Maybe not. You paid your money for tournaments but kids you have never seen before show up with a uniform and play. And you find out that they didn't pay a penny. You're subsidizing ringers!

5) Disgust - you spend your days posting trash about Duke's on BOTC to warn other families to not waste their money. It becomes your personal mission.

So are you a state 1 or stage 3 parent?

Very well written, sums up our experience with the club.

Why is it that everyone here is Anonymous? If you have an opinion, at least put your name on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is it that everyone here is Anonymous? If you have an opinion, at least put your name on it.

Irony, defined

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is it that everyone here is Anonymous? If you have an opinion, at least put your name on it.

Irony, defined

Exactly, why don't you lead by example.

My mistake. Sorry. Is this better?

Does anyone have any feedback/insight good or bad about Duke's of Chester County PA?

Originally Posted by CobraKai

My mistake. Sorry. Is this better?

Yes, leads us to believe you are a big 80's movie fan (CobraKai)....Long live Danny LaRusso.

My son tried out for the Brotherly Love Academy 2025 Team this Sunday. Best run tryouts we have ever attended. Not sure it is a fit for us but their coaching staff is impressive. I think that Dukes Nationals is in trouble. Triple H has a far better product than Dukes and now so does Brotherly Love...how many of these teams can Philly area support.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son tried out for the Brotherly Love Academy 2025 Team this Sunday. Best run tryouts we have ever attended. Not sure it is a fit for us but their coaching staff is impressive. I think that Dukes Nationals is in trouble. Triple H has a far better product than Dukes and now so does Brotherly Love...how many of these teams can Philly area support.

Academy parent here - the coaches are great and the training is amazing. Nice people who seem pretty dedicated to the BL brand.

No question Academy has some great players, but are they at the same level as Duke's Nationals? Not yet. Duke's really does pull from a much wider geography than Academy and that makes a big difference. Not sure how HHH is even in the same conversation, though.

There's plenty of room for a bunch of elite teams like Academy and Duke's Nationals to help raise your game and have fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here are the 5 emotional stages of being a Duke's parent:

1) Hope and desire - you've been to the mini camp and see all the ballers. You are excited to be on the team. Wow, so much potential. Your son is going to really grow with this team. You happily write the check.

2) Doubt sets in - a few bad mini camps (maybe one in the snow like last year) or the schedule keeps getting changed. You start to wonder what is going on and whether G really cares about the kids. Or maybe he's in financial trouble. You're not sure, but something doesn't seem right. But your kid is having a good time so you go with the flow. Those posts on BOTC can't be true, can they? I mean, everyone who says bad stuff about Duke's was on the bottom of the depth chart. That has to be it, right?

3) Euphoria - your kid plays in a tournament and you win (or do really well!) and you're excited. You're playing with a lot of talent. This has to be good for your son (and probably is if he gets playing time.) You really like some of the coaches and realize there is some real quality in this program. You even consider putting that Duke's magnet on the back of the family truckster. Buy that Duke's sweatshirt or tight Duke's Mom t-shirt at the next mini-camp!

4) Disappointment - something changes. Perhaps you put a bunch of events in the calendar that didn't materialize. Perhaps G decided to start coaching your team and suddenly the excellent coaches who made sure the team was balanced and competitive aren't a factor. Maybe G doesn't like you anymore because of who you are or who your club team might be. Or maybe you start to realize that 90% of what is said to parents at mini camp is a bunch of complete BS. (Oh, you have a secret way of getting an 8th grader in front of college coaches right now?!?!?! Wink wink!) You see that they have been dangling this carrot called Duke's Elite and college recruiting in front of you all this time but is it real? Maybe not. You paid your money for tournaments but kids you have never seen before show up with a uniform and play. And you find out that they didn't pay a penny. You're subsidizing ringers!

5) Disgust - you spend your days posting trash about Duke's on BOTC to warn other families to not waste their money. It becomes your personal mission.

So are you a stage 1 or stage 3 parent?

This post is 100% legitimate. Ask me how I know? Because as the parent of a former member of the Duke's Nationals "family", this is ridiculously accurate in describing our experience. ANYONE who is considering joining the organization, understand that this is honestly how it works. If somebody tells you differently there are 1 of 2 reasons. A) they are an absolute anomaly vs the vast majority of players or B) they are G or one of his cronies trying to ensure that the gravy train keeps on chugging.

Dukes 2023 scrimmaged a team from Maryland yesterday; did any see the game or know the results?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 scrimmaged a team from Maryland yesterday; did any see the game or know the results?

Annapolis Hawks won 11-7

Dukes 2024 played Hawks 24’s and Bethesda 24 AA team. Lost to hawks beat Bethesda. Then played NXT today and won.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2024 played Hawks 24’s and Bethesda 24 AA team. Lost to hawks beat Bethesda. Then played NXT today and won.

Why are Nationals in NXT?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 scrimmaged a team from Maryland yesterday; did any see the game or know the results?

Annapolis Hawks won 11-7

Thought I saw that they scrimmaged Tri-State and then Team Money at Proving Grounds yesterday. Didn't see either game but that's not exactly "national level" competition if that was the level of competition they faced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2024 played Hawks 24’s and Bethesda 24 AA team. Lost to hawks beat Bethesda. Then played NXT today and won.

Why are Nationals in NXT?

I don't think they are actually participating in the Spring League - at least they aren't listed in Tourney Machine. But as someone pointed out, they seem to have multiple games scheduled on various weekends against other teams that appear not to be registered for the spring league (e.g. Tri-State, Team Money)

They appear to be playing in some parallel universe Spring League against a bunch of A/B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2024 played Hawks 24’s and Bethesda 24 AA team. Lost to hawks beat Bethesda. Then played NXT today and won.

Why are Nationals in NXT?

I don't think they are actually participating in the Spring League - at least they aren't listed in Tourney Machine. But as someone pointed out, they seem to have multiple games scheduled on various weekends against other teams that appear not to be registered for the spring league (e.g. Tri-State, Team Money)

They appear to be playing in some parallel universe Spring League against a bunch of A/B teams.

Not sure why anybody cares who they play or when, but at least tri state makes sense, not sure who Team Money is

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2024 played Hawks 24’s and Bethesda 24 AA team. Lost to hawks beat Bethesda. Then played NXT today and won.

Why are Nationals in NXT?

I don't think they are actually participating in the Spring League - at least they aren't listed in Tourney Machine. But as someone pointed out, they seem to have multiple games scheduled on various weekends against other teams that appear not to be registered for the spring league (e.g. Tri-State, Team Money)

They appear to be playing in some parallel universe Spring League against a bunch of A/B teams.

Not sure why anybody cares who they play or when, but at least tri state makes sense, not sure who Team Money is

I doubt anyone does care unless you are a family that spent $$$ on what was billed as the NXT Spring League.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are actually participating in the Spring League - at least they aren't listed in Tourney Machine. But as someone pointed out, they seem to have multiple games scheduled on various weekends against other teams that appear not to be registered for the spring league (e.g. Tri-State, Team Money)

They appear to be playing in some parallel universe Spring League against a bunch of A/B teams.

Not sure why anybody cares who they play or when, but at least tri state makes sense, not sure who Team Money is[/quote]

I doubt anyone does care unless you are a family that spent $$$ on what was billed as the NXT Spring League.
[/quote]Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are actually participating in the Spring League - at least they aren't listed in Tourney Machine. But as someone pointed out, they seem to have multiple games scheduled on various weekends against other teams that appear not to be registered for the spring league (e.g. Tri-State, Team Money)

They appear to be playing in some parallel universe Spring League against a bunch of A/B teams.

Not sure why anybody cares who they play or when, but at least tri state makes sense, not sure who Team Money is

I doubt anyone does care unless you are a family that spent $$$ on what was billed as the NXT Spring League.
[/quote]Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
[/quote]

Did they pay for NXT spring league, or is this just an assumption...either way, its good to just get out on the field and play. Obviously, any gloating by the Dukes parents about wins is unwarranted. Not really sure what NXT is doing with that league this year, seems like they have done away with the divisions and have some pretty unbalanced match-ups. Anybody know why BL is not playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are actually participating in the Spring League - at least they aren't listed in Tourney Machine. But as someone pointed out, they seem to have multiple games scheduled on various weekends against other teams that appear not to be registered for the spring league (e.g. Tri-State, Team Money)

They appear to be playing in some parallel universe Spring League against a bunch of A/B teams.

Not sure why anybody cares who they play or when, but at least tri state makes sense, not sure who Team Money is

I doubt anyone does care unless you are a family that spent $$$ on what was billed as the NXT Spring League.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
[/quote]

Did they pay for NXT spring league, or is this just an assumption...either way, its good to just get out on the field and play. Obviously, any gloating by the Dukes parents about wins is unwarranted. Not really sure what NXT is doing with that league this year, seems like they have done away with the divisions and have some pretty unbalanced match-ups. Anybody know why BL is not playing.[/quote]

Specifically called out as "NXT Spring League" for about $400/player

In all fairness, though, that price includes practices before each of the games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are actually participating in the Spring League - at least they aren't listed in Tourney Machine. But as someone pointed out, they seem to have multiple games scheduled on various weekends against other teams that appear not to be registered for the spring league (e.g. Tri-State, Team Money)

They appear to be playing in some parallel universe Spring League against a bunch of A/B teams.

Not sure why anybody cares who they play or when, but at least tri state makes sense, not sure who Team Money is

I doubt anyone does care unless you are a family that spent $$$ on what was billed as the NXT Spring League.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Did they pay for NXT spring league, or is this just an assumption...either way, its good to just get out on the field and play. Obviously, any gloating by the Dukes parents about wins is unwarranted. Not really sure what NXT is doing with that league this year, seems like they have done away with the divisions and have some pretty unbalanced match-ups. Anybody know why BL is not playing.[/quote]

Specifically called out as "NXT Spring League" for about $400/player

In all fairness, though, that price includes practices before each of the games.
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Is it possible that NXT kept them out of the regular league so they would not be criticized for having a "national" team in the league...or is that giving NXT way too much credit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it possible that NXT kept them out of the regular league so they would not be criticized for having a "national" team in the league...or is that giving NXT way too much credit

That's certainly possible, but why wouldn't that have been communicated to the Duke's families?

Honestly I'm not sure why Duke's would want to be in the NXT Spring League in the first place. I mean, other than to stroke egos by beating up on local teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think they are actually participating in the Spring League - at least they aren't listed in Tourney Machine. But as someone pointed out, they seem to have multiple games scheduled on various weekends against other teams that appear not to be registered for the spring league (e.g. Tri-State, Team Money)

They appear to be playing in some parallel universe Spring League against a bunch of A/B teams.

Not sure why anybody cares who they play or when, but at least tri state makes sense, not sure who Team Money is

I doubt anyone does care unless you are a family that spent $$$ on what was billed as the NXT Spring League.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Did they pay for NXT spring league, or is this just an assumption...either way, its good to just get out on the field and play. Obviously, any gloating by the Dukes parents about wins is unwarranted. Not really sure what NXT is doing with that league this year, seems like they have done away with the divisions and have some pretty unbalanced match-ups. Anybody know why BL is not playing.[/quote]

Specifically called out as "NXT Spring League" for about $400/player

In all fairness, though, that price includes practices before each of the games.
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The league costs $2500? $400 per player? Wow!

Specifically called out as "NXT Spring League" for about $400/player

In all fairness, though, that price includes practices before each of the games.
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The league costs $2500? $400 per player? Wow![/quote]

Have to cover the beer tab at the Proving Grounds...

Rumor has it that Duke's Nationals is having financial issues again....get ready for an increase all around for the program, should be a good increase this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Duke's Nationals is having financial issues again....get ready for an increase all around for the program, should be a good increase this year.

Rumors??? Source???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Duke's Nationals is having financial issues again....get ready for an increase all around for the program, should be a good increase this year.

Rumors??? Source???

This "rumor" repeats itself every 2 - 3 months.

Not really believable anyway since 17 kids paid almost 400 dollars each for the "spring league". That's around $6700 in revenue. Seems like that would fill the bank account. Well, unless most of those kids didn't pay...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that Duke's Nationals is having financial issues again....get ready for an increase all around for the program, should be a good increase this year.

Rumors??? Source???

This "rumor" repeats itself every 2 - 3 months.

Not really believable anyway since 17 kids paid almost 400 dollars each for the "spring league". That's around $6700 in revenue. Seems like that would fill the bank account. Well, unless most of those kids didn't pay...

Very true, unless the club does not pay it's bills....and it does not

So Turns our Dukes is NOT in NXT league just says they are but sets up games “around” the league. Playing BBL and Team 11 this Sunday. Still doing monthly practices at different colleges that I think is cool concept, but the “are they in or not in NXT” question has been answered. I wonder if families paid the $ expecting games every weekend or actually expected the league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Turns our Dukes is NOT in NXT league just says they are but sets up games “around” the league. Playing BBL and Team 11 this Sunday. Still doing monthly practices at different colleges that I think is cool concept, but the “are they in or not in NXT” question has been answered. I wonder if families paid the $ expecting games every weekend or actually expected the league?

Right G charged players to play and are not listed on Tourney Machine- I heard they are a fill-in team. Can't compete for playoffs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Turns our Dukes is NOT in NXT league just says they are but sets up games “around” the league. Playing BBL and Team 11 this Sunday. Still doing monthly practices at different colleges that I think is cool concept, but the “are they in or not in NXT” question has been answered. I wonder if families paid the $ expecting games every weekend or actually expected the league?

Probably not that big of a deal, they are basically playing the same, if not better, competition than they would see in the league, BBL and Team 11 are good match-ups, and they played Tri-State a few weeks ago. League games are every 2 weeks so they are pretty much playing at the same frequency.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Turns our Dukes is NOT in NXT league just says they are but sets up games “around” the league. Playing BBL and Team 11 this Sunday. Still doing monthly practices at different colleges that I think is cool concept, but the “are they in or not in NXT” question has been answered. I wonder if families paid the $ expecting games every weekend or actually expected the league?

Games are generally every other week for a team, not every weekend. Duke's provided a schedule up front with game days that were for the most part aligned with mini camps. They "cancelled" one weekend and said they would refund people $100.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They "cancelled" one weekend and said they would refund people $100.

And I think we all know just how forthcoming G is with refunds unless faced with legal action

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They "cancelled" one weekend and said they would refund people $100.

And I think we all know just how forthcoming G is with refunds unless faced with legal action

Exactly, I am still waiting for my Banquet money back from two years ago, I always get a check is in the, mail. Sure it is..

No one played down on that team. They play up in travel lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably not that big of a deal, they are basically playing the same, if not better, competition than they would see in the league, BBL and Team 11 are good match-ups, and they played Tri-State a few weeks ago. League games are every 2 weeks so they are pretty much playing at the same frequency.

Come on! Seriously!?!? If anyone said "BBL and Team 11 can compete with DN!" in a different context the DN cronies would say "Yeah right! This team would beat those teams by 20 goals if they wanted to!!"

Now that it works to "justify" yet another money grab those teams are "good match-ups"

didn't BBL 2024 best dukes 2024 in naptown last year like 10-2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably not that big of a deal, they are basically playing the same, if not better, competition than they would see in the league, BBL and Team 11 are good match-ups, and they played Tri-State a few weeks ago. League games are every 2 weeks so they are pretty much playing at the same frequency.

Come on! Seriously!?!? If anyone said "BBL and Team 11 can compete with DN!" in a different context the DN cronies would say "Yeah right! This team would beat those teams by 20 goals if they wanted to!!"

Now that it works to "justify" yet another money grab those teams are "good match-ups"

Not a big deal anyway since DN dropped out of the NXT "league"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

didn't BBL 2024 best dukes 2024 in naptown last year like 10-2

Yee

Originally Posted by Anonymous

didn't BBL 2024 best dukes 2024 in naptown last year like 10-2

Yee

Dukes 23 was a disaster last year, they had a short bench for several tournaments. When the players do show up, it is a very good team, but there is no consistency with the roster.

What’s the deal with Dukes 2023 team? There’s a tryout in Philly coming up. Should We tryout?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the deal with Dukes 2023 team? There’s a tryout in Philly coming up. Should We tryout?

Ha! What rock have you been under?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the deal with Dukes 2023 team? There’s a tryout in Philly coming up. Should We tryout?

No, don't waste the time, money or aggravation that goes along with that team it is not worth it. I am speaking from experience unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the deal with Dukes 2023 team? There’s a tryout in Philly coming up. Should We tryout?

You would only be trying out to hopefully get above the travel line and get invited to the summer tournaments. This team is done in July and I think the May mini camp is the last one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the deal with Dukes 2023 team? There’s a tryout in Philly coming up. Should We tryout?

You would only be trying out to hopefully get above the travel line and get invited to the summer tournaments. This team is done in July and I think the May mini camp is the last one.

On the 23 team--summer tournaments only-
Dukes HighSchool program you can try out for...ran by completely different person

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the deal with Dukes 2023 team? There’s a tryout in Philly coming up. Should We tryout?

You would only be trying out to hopefully get above the travel line and get invited to the summer tournaments. This team is done in July and I think the May mini camp is the last one.

On the 23 team--summer tournaments only-
Dukes HighSchool program you can try out for...ran by completely different person

How's the goalie postion on the 2023 or 2022? Do they need help?

Dukes 2023 loses 2 of 3 at Futures in Jersey; is this the “national team”?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 loses 2 of 3 at Futures in Jersey; is this the “national team”?

They actually fielded 2 teams...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 loses 2 of 3 at Futures in Jersey; is this the “national team”?

They actually fielded 2 teams...

Yes national team and they got beat by a very below average edge team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 loses 2 of 3 at Futures in Jersey; is this the “national team”?

They actually fielded 2 teams...

Yes national team and they got beat by a very below average edge team

Everybody loses a game they should win. Duke's lost to two teams that they should have blown out. What happened???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 loses 2 of 3 at Futures in Jersey; is this the “national team”?

They actually fielded 2 teams...

Yes national team and they got beat by a very below average edge team

Everybody loses a game they should win. Duke's lost to two teams that they should have blown out. What happened???

True National better than Dukes National but Edge is an embarrassing loss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True National better than Dukes National but Edge is an embarrassing loss.

This is 1000% accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 loses 2 of 3 at Futures in Jersey; is this the “national team”?

They actually fielded 2 teams...

Yes national team and they got beat by a very below average edge team

Everybody loses a game they should win. Duke's lost to two teams that they should have blown out. What happened???

True National better than Dukes National but Edge is an embarrassing loss.

That True team has a bunch of kids from Hawks as well as some former Duke's Nationals guys. They were pretty stacked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 loses 2 of 3 at Futures in Jersey; is this the “national team”?

They actually fielded 2 teams...

Yes national team and they got beat by a very below average edge team

Everybody loses a game they should win. Duke's lost to two teams that they should have blown out. What happened???

True National better than Dukes National but Edge is an embarrassing loss.

I agree-I'm a 23 DN parent-We SHOULD have beat edge team. Lost to True and but we were out played by them.

The 2023 National Team has been in a slow decline over the past several years; G's message and empty promises have grown stale. The talent level on this team with the exception of the goalie and a couple of attackmen is average at best. They will continue to struggle this summer unless G starts bringing in some guest players and schedule more weak competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 loses 2 of 3 at Futures in Jersey; is this the “national team”?

They actually fielded 2 teams...

Yes national team and they got beat by a very below average edge team

Everybody loses a game they should win. Duke's lost to two teams that they should have blown out. What happened???

True National better than Dukes National but Edge is an embarrassing loss.

the competition was very weak at the the Futures and they did not fair well. The 2024 bracket was weak, as well but at least they made a showing there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2023 National Team has been in a slow decline over the past several years; G's message and empty promises have grown stale. The talent level on this team with the exception of the goalie and a couple of attackmen is average at best. They will continue to struggle this summer unless G starts bringing in some guest players and schedule more weak competition.

Almost all of the players/parents who were on the team that was very good have moved on. G's greed and arrogance pushed everyone away. It's an absolute shame because that roster had potential to be very, very good as they developed more.

Have to admit the 2023 true National team was legit. I stayed to watch this team play the Edge team in the champsiinshop The true team was exceptional. One of the best teams out there for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to admit the 2023 true National team was legit. I stayed to watch this team play the Edge team in the champsiinshop The true team was exceptional. One of the best teams out there for sure.

thanks Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to admit the 2023 true National team was legit. I stayed to watch this team play the Edge team in the champsiinshop The true team was exceptional. One of the best teams out there for sure.

That true team was pretty good.... not great... but there was a time that it wouldnt have mattered. Duke's has clearly been on the decline for at least a year now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes 2023 loses 2 of 3 at Futures in Jersey; is this the “national team”?

They actually fielded 2 teams...

Yes national team and they got beat by a very below average edge team

Everybody loses a game they should win. Duke's lost to two teams that they should have blown out. What happened???

True National better than Dukes National but Edge is an embarrassing loss.

the competition was very weak at the the Futures and they did not fair well. The 2024 bracket was weak, as well but at least they made a showing there.

2024 bracket wasn’t deep but the top teams were good.
Georgia Elite had a number of Wolfpack 91 and Fl 91 kids on it. Express North was World Series team plus 3 holdbacks that can’t play on WS team. One More was the best BBL kids that beat Dukes at Naptown. This was a good showing this year! Much better than Foxboro!

Stayed to watch the True v Edge match, very good talent............... as a midwest spectator, always wondering how many of those 2023 players are born after September 2005. Seems like a lot of "east coast" 8th graders are shaving these days. Maybe its the Old Bay or a salty air????

Should have read after SEPTEMBER 2004 -

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stayed to watch the True v Edge match, very good talent............... as a midwest spectator, always wondering how many of those 2023 players are born after September 2005. Seems like a lot of "east coast" 8th graders are shaving these days. Maybe its the Old Bay or a salty air????

SEPTEMBER 2004

Dukes and True aren’t teams. They are handpicked players developed elsewhere by real coaches, then put on display at events to line the pockets of true and dukes owners. Has ANYONE EVER seen a dukes mainline team perform in a high bracket?? Never and why? They do t know how to develop players. They simply steal your player and make an all star team. Their tryouts are literally the night before each event and beside the kids they take and the few who follow every month, phone calls are made for dominators. And as for the ages of their players, is it a total coincidence that dukes and true had kids larger than 90% of the adult crowd on the sidelines watching their fully grown 15 and 16 year old 7 and 8 graders. Why do they only take the biggest and oldest kids? To win and take your money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should have read after SEPTEMBER 2004 -

Unfortunately, outside of the WSYL, it doesn't matter...despite their age, they are 8th graders. Not defending the practice, but it is the lacrosse world that we live in. But make no mistake, this in not just an East coast phenomenon, things are equally as bad out West.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes and True aren’t teams. They are handpicked players developed elsewhere by real coaches, then put on display at events to line the pockets of true and dukes owners. Has ANYONE EVER seen a dukes mainline team perform in a high bracket?? Never and why? They do t know how to develop players. They simply steal your player and make an all star team. Their tryouts are literally the night before each event and beside the kids they take and the few who follow every month, phone calls are made for dominators. And as for the ages of their players, is it a total coincidence that dukes and true had kids larger than 90% of the adult crowd on the sidelines watching their fully grown 15 and 16 year old 7 and 8 graders. Why do they only take the biggest and oldest kids? To win and take your money

Here we go again...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes and True aren’t teams. They are handpicked players developed elsewhere by real coaches, then put on display at events to line the pockets of true and dukes owners. Has ANYONE EVER seen a dukes mainline team perform in a high bracket?? Never and why? They do t know how to develop players. They simply steal your player and make an all star team. Their tryouts are literally the night before each event and beside the kids they take and the few who follow every month, phone calls are made for dominators. And as for the ages of their players, is it a total coincidence that dukes and true had kids larger than 90% of the adult crowd on the sidelines watching their fully grown 15 and 16 year old 7 and 8 graders. Why do they only take the biggest and oldest kids? To win and take your money

Here we go again...

True definitely loaded with kids that should be in 9/10th grade. Almost as bad as DC Dogs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes and True aren’t teams. They are handpicked players developed elsewhere by real coaches, then put on display at events to line the pockets of true and dukes owners. Has ANYONE EVER seen a dukes mainline team perform in a high bracket?? Never and why? They do t know how to develop players. They simply steal your player and make an all star team. Their tryouts are literally the night before each event and beside the kids they take and the few who follow every month, phone calls are made for dominators. And as for the ages of their players, is it a total coincidence that dukes and true had kids larger than 90% of the adult crowd on the sidelines watching their fully grown 15 and 16 year old 7 and 8 graders. Why do they only take the biggest and oldest kids? To win and take your money

Here we go again...

True definitely loaded with kids that should be in 9/10th grade. Almost as bad as DC Dogs...

Almost as bad as most of the top teams in Maryland

No comments about Duke's Nationals dominating Lehigh Laxfest this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No comments about Duke's Nationals dominating Lehigh Laxfest this weekend?

Why? DN in a B tournament....nothing new

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No comments about Duke's Nationals dominating Lehigh Laxfest this weekend?

Who did they beat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No comments about Duke's Nationals dominating Lehigh Laxfest this weekend?

Who did they beat?

At 2023, the super team of Duke's Nationals were able to work hard and beat Duke's Young Guns in the championship. Pretty indicative of just what quality teams were in this tournament.

IT is an embarrassment to the organization to play that event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No comments about Duke's Nationals dominating Lehigh Laxfest this weekend?

Who did they beat?

At 2023, the super team of Duke's Nationals were able to work hard and beat Duke's Young Guns in the championship. Pretty indicative of just what quality teams were in this tournament.

The big 4 Tournament had a strong lineup of evenly matched teams. The championship bracket was all one goal games except maybe one game. Players grow by playing tight games v evenly matched teams.

They want to keep there USCL ranking up.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No comments about Duke's Nationals dominating Lehigh Laxfest this weekend?

Who did they beat?

At 2023, the super team of Duke's Nationals were able to work hard and beat Duke's Young Guns in the championship. Pretty indicative of just what quality teams were in this tournament.

Goes to show the B quality of teams that were at the tournament. Next year try the Big 4 tournament for some real teams..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No comments about Duke's Nationals dominating Lehigh Laxfest this weekend?

Who did they beat?

At 2023, the super team of Duke's Nationals were able to work hard and beat Duke's Young Guns in the championship. Pretty indicative of just what quality teams were in this tournament.

Goes to show the B quality of teams that were at the tournament. Next year try the Big 4 tournament for some real teams..

The Big 4 tournament had some very good matchups this year. It was a nice event

OK, I've had my coffee now......how did Duke's Nationals do this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK, I've had my coffee now......how did Duke's Nationals do this weekend?

They showed that the model will struggle when:

a: The play teams of comparable size/skill that practice on a regular basis.
b: They play the same weekend as other events like Crab Feast when players stay with the regular team.
c: They play teams with more talent.

They faced a,b,c this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK, I've had my coffee now......how did Duke's Nationals do this weekend?

They showed that the model will struggle when:

a: The play teams of comparable size/skill that practice on a regular basis.
b: They play the same weekend as other events like Crab Feast when players stay with the regular team.
c: They play teams with more talent.

They faced a,b,c this weekend

Did they even play this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK, I've had my coffee now......how did Duke's Nationals do this weekend?

They showed that the model will struggle when:

a: The play teams of comparable size/skill that practice on a regular basis.
b: They play the same weekend as other events like Crab Feast when players stay with the regular team.
c: They play teams with more talent.

They faced a,b,c this weekend

Did they even play this weekend?

Apparently not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK, I've had my coffee now......how did Duke's Nationals do this weekend?

They showed that the model will struggle when:

a: The play teams of comparable size/skill that practice on a regular basis.
b: They play the same weekend as other events like Crab Feast when players stay with the regular team.
c: They play teams with more talent.

They faced a,b,c this weekend

Did they even play this weekend?

Apparently not

The y went 1/4, the program is on the downhill slide and players know it so they are staying away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The y went 1/4, the program is on the downhill slide and players know it so they are staying away.

What tournament were they at?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The y went 1/4, the program is on the downhill slide and players know it so they are staying away.

What tournament were they at?

Tri-Star Lax Clash 2019, Garden city last weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The y went 1/4, the program is on the downhill slide and players know it so they are staying away.

What tournament were they at?

Tri-Star Lax Clash 2019, Garden city last weekend

One win (a 2 goal win over the statistically lowest team in the tournament) out of 5 games is NOT what I would consider an "elite team". And given the previous edict that "This is your #1 team, you play for DN over any other team." either appears to no longer be a rule or no longer be anything that anyone cares about. Wow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The y went 1/4, the program is on the downhill slide and players know it so they are staying away.

What tournament were they at?

Tri-Star Lax Clash 2019, Garden city last weekend

One win (a 2 goal win over the statistically lowest team in the tournament) out of 5 games is NOT what I would consider an "elite team". And given the previous edict that "This is your #1 team, you play for DN over any other team." either appears to no longer be a rule or no longer be anything that anyone cares about. Wow.

Business model is still the same. Take all the money upfront, put your kid high on the depth chart for a couple of months so you feel good, but then slowly you begin to realize the kids and coaches are turning over more frequently than you expected, you then begin to question the value in playing scrub B league tourneys blowing out the other teams to claim hollow victories, maybe once in a blue moon you play a real AA team and the wheels come off, and then the first time you have a conflict and play with your regular club team they disgracefully throw you off the team with no refund. Eventually, you do that enough times and you read the repeated cycle of that silly experience in the 79 pages of posts here on BOTC, you run out of dupes to keep cash flow coming in. I have to admit, I’m still amazed that it has continued to survive this long.

^ This is not inaccurate.Other than you forgot to mention the "Move out of the Northeast to try to gain a new foothold/economic base for your shenanigans."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The y went 1/4, the program is on the downhill slide and players know it so they are staying away.

What tournament were they at?

Tri-Star Lax Clash 2019, Garden city last weekend

One win (a 2 goal win over the statistically lowest team in the tournament) out of 5 games is NOT what I would consider an "elite team". And given the previous edict that "This is your #1 team, you play for DN over any other team." either appears to no longer be a rule or no longer be anything that anyone cares about. Wow.

Business model is still the same. Take all the money upfront, put your kid high on the depth chart for a couple of months so you feel good, but then slowly you begin to realize the kids and coaches are turning over more frequently than you expected, you then begin to question the value in playing scrub B league tourneys blowing out the other teams to claim hollow victories, maybe once in a blue moon you play a real AA team and the wheels come off, and then the first time you have a conflict and play with your regular club team they disgracefully throw you off the team with no refund. Eventually, you do that enough times and you read the repeated cycle of that silly experience in the 79 pages of posts here on BOTC, you run out of dupes to keep cash flow coming in. I have to admit, I’m still amazed that it has continued to survive this long.

I love when the parents of kids that can’t make the team or that can’t stay above the travel line post on this site. I’m surprised you took the time while you are at Lake Placid to post this one!!!

Yes Dukes should play in harder tourneys, but those that are sticking with it are enjoying the opportunity for our kids to get out of their hometown bubble and play with kids from a half a dozen states. The families look forward to hanging out with each other and the kids that have been around a while (most of the team now) really get along great!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The y went 1/4, the program is on the downhill slide and players know it so they are staying away.

What tournament were they at?

Tri-Star Lax Clash 2019, Garden city last weekend

One win (a 2 goal win over the statistically lowest team in the tournament) out of 5 games is NOT what I would consider an "elite team". And given the previous edict that "This is your #1 team, you play for DN over any other team." either appears to no longer be a rule or no longer be anything that anyone cares about. Wow.

Business model is still the same. Take all the money upfront, put your kid high on the depth chart for a couple of months so you feel good, but then slowly you begin to realize the kids and coaches are turning over more frequently than you expected, you then begin to question the value in playing scrub B league tourneys blowing out the other teams to claim hollow victories, maybe once in a blue moon you play a real AA team and the wheels come off, and then the first time you have a conflict and play with your regular club team they disgracefully throw you off the team with no refund. Eventually, you do that enough times and you read the repeated cycle of that silly experience in the 79 pages of posts here on BOTC, you run out of dupes to keep cash flow coming in. I have to admit, I’m still amazed that it has continued to survive this long.

I love when the parents of kids that can’t make the team or that can’t stay above the travel line post on this site. I’m surprised you took the time while you are at Lake Placid to post this one!!!

Yes Dukes should play in harder tourneys, but those that are sticking with it are enjoying the opportunity for our kids to get out of their hometown bubble and play with kids from a half a dozen states. The families look forward to hanging out with each other and the kids that have been around a while (most of the team now) really get along great!

If saying that all the people who are complaining are those with kids who just aren't good enough helps you sleep better at night, then by all means, continue believing that. But deep down you know it's not true. Great players have left the team. Great players have chosen to play on their local club team instead of DN when there is a conflict.

There are a few reasons for that.

First, DN is no longer the only game in town. The elite nationals team landscape has changed in the last few years and there are a number of new teams out there that offer more consistent and better coaching and training. Many of these new teams are comprised of honest brokers who deliver on what they promise, something DN does not do well.

Second, DN has strayed from their own core values. Best students? Hard work? Honesty? Respect? Asking for report cards is an after thought and I bet most don't send it in. And if they do, does anyone actually look at them and take action? Are they treating everyone with respect including parents, coaches, players and partners? Nope! They don't even honor their own depth chart. (The one exception being the 23 coach, who, when allowed to coach, does exhibit strong core values. Unfortunately he's not always allowed to coach the team as he sees fit.)

Third, DN no longer delivers on their elite lacrosse promise. Elite players should have elite practices and play elite competition. Instead you pay ever increasing fees for mediocre mini camps. It used to be that you went to a mini camp and there was position specific coaching for the first half followed by team play and drills. Not anymore.

The idea behind DN was to help elite players get better through coaching and competition. Now it's just a bunch of families sticking around with the hope that their kid makes Duke's Elite (which, by the way, is more of the same).

I see the Annapolis Hawks avenged last year's Naptown loss to Duke's Nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see the Annapolis Hawks avenged last year's Naptown loss to Duke's Nationals.

Yeah that but that 22 team is a disaster now. Great job Dukes Elite Ebe can’t beat anyone now. All dukes teams were an embarrassment. Dead program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see the Annapolis Hawks avenged last year's Naptown loss to Duke's Nationals.

Team was stacked, just a little soft.

Dukes National 2024 gets beat by 4 goals against BBL and is out early at Naptown? BBL is a good team but that program and G are a joke! All that money for what? It’s time to pull the plug Ebe.

Dukes Nat'l has talented individual players, they're just lacking chemistry on the field IMHO. You can't win every single game, especially in MD with the likes of Madlax. No need to explain why.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nat'l has talented individual players, they're just lacking chemistry on the field IMHO. You can't win every single game, especially in MD with the likes of Madlax. No need to explain why.

But this used to be DN's bread and butter and they were very good at it. For a long time they showed us that you can throw a bunch of kids with great lax IQ together and they will win.

Please don’t put us in the same conversation as Dukes National’s. Madlax is on an entirely different level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t put us in the same conversation as Dukes National’s. Madlax is on an entirely different level.

You going to send someone a nasty email or 3?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes National 2024 gets beat by 4 goals against BBL and is out early at Naptown? BBL is a good team but that program and G are a joke! All that money for what? It’s time to pull the plug Ebe.

Did you see Ebes teams. No plug to plug they stink worse

DN stinks!!!! Trolling for kids at tournaments trying to sell their nonsense. I simply don't understand what value they offer. It's a complete waste of time!!!!

Oh my...not again! Another bad weekend for the 23s? Were there only 11 kids there again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nat'l has talented individual players, they're just lacking chemistry on the field IMHO. You can't win every single game, especially in MD with the likes of Madlax. No need to explain why.

But this used to be DN's bread and butter and they were very good at it. For a long time they showed us that you can throw a bunch of kids with great lax IQ together and they will win.

Yup and then G went money crazy and the whole thing tanked massively. As somebody who was involved early on when the 23 team was absolutely dominant (and no DN trolls, my son did NOT fall below the travel line when we separated from the sinking ship), seeing the premier program for a "national team" turn into the utter joke it is now is bittersweet.

The question is why has it been able to keep going on with him in charge? Took what was once a gold standard and made it @#$%
Dukes = SEARS....

Dukes now brags about playing in C level tournaments its really pathetic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The question is why has it been able to keep going on with him in charge? Took what was once a gold standard and made it @#$%
Dukes = SEARS....

Dukes now brags about playing in C level tournaments its really pathetic

https://www.USCL.com/rankings.html

Duke's Nationals High School? Really? Whatever for?

We have been in program for 4 years - became friends with some great families, my son has a group of friends outside our state from lacrosse, he has played in some rally cool locations and we have enjoyed it.

Should have consistently played in better tourneys - but when we do we play well - lose to BBL and Hawks but beat Taz, Bethesda, and Express north.

When we have entire core team (which admittedly we don’t always have) I would put them against anyone.

Understand the negativity -not saying cause your kid dropped or anything just saying I understand it

But our experience has not been a “joke”. My kid would do it again.

For everyone's collective experience, what is the ideal age to get involved with a National team (Duke's or others)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For everyone's collective experience, what is the ideal age to get involved with a National team (Duke's or others)?

This seems like a legit question. If you live in a hotbed area for lacrosse, you should not play on a National team. Find the best local club you can and stick with friends and good coaches. The national team will only cause conflict (scheduling) and lost time and money. You will need this later for prospect days, showcases. An all star showcase team like UA or the new PLL national team might make sense. The old Brine Lacrosse classic is/was a waste of time. However, if you live in an area that does not have a strong club team I would suggest looking at a national team like Dukes or Legends in 7th or 8th grade. Time invested in very important. Kids can burn out if they do too much too soon. I have seen it happen with the best of players. Think of it like a pitch count and invest the time in the things that provide the best ROI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For everyone's collective experience, what is the ideal age to get involved with a National team (Duke's or others)?

Never

Good answer!

Runnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! Play for a good club team and Invest your money in speed and agility training or send him to a camp or two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Runnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! Play for a good club team and Invest your money in speed and agility training or send him to a camp or two.

Can't argue with such sound advice!

Private or semi-private lessons much better than 'National' team. You will see greater improvement in his game and they will play better on your club team and WILL get noticed. -2022 Dad

thanks for all the feedback! some pretty insightful responses.

Anybody heading down to the Georgetown for the next round of Tryouts?

What's the difference between Duke's Mainline and Duke's Young Guns? Just Location or is there some other sort of internal pecking order? I've also seen some Duke's Nationals Uniforms on the field for Mainline/Young Guns Games. what is that all about? Kids getting sent down from Nationals to get some reps in with the other teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody heading down to the Georgetown for the next round of Tryouts?

Of course not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the difference between Duke's Mainline and Duke's Young Guns? Just Location or is there some other sort of internal pecking order? I've also seen some Duke's Nationals Uniforms on the field for Mainline/Young Guns Games. what is that all about? Kids getting sent down from Nationals to get some reps in with the other teams?

They are different teams.

And Duke's Nationals is a different team. Kids on Mainline or Young Guns can certainly play for Nationals.

So what is the differntiator between Young Guns and Mainline?

I understand that National's players can play on mainline and young guns. it was just odd because the players were not wearing Young Guns/Mainline uniforms. They were wearing Nationals uniforms at a Youngs Guns/Mainline game. Didn't know if that was a common practice under this organization or just a one-off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what is the differntiator between Young Guns and Mainline?

Geographical, mostly. Young Guns is more Eastern Montgomery County (Abington, Wissahickon, etc) and Mainline is the Mainline area (Lower Merion, Haverford, etc.). That is at least my understanding of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what is the differntiator between Young Guns and Mainline?

Geographical, mostly. Young Guns is more Eastern Montgomery County (Abington, Wissahickon, etc) and Mainline is the Mainline area (Lower Merion, Haverford, etc.). That is at least my understanding of it.

Also Mainline runs a high school program. Young Guns does not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what is the differntiator between Young Guns and Mainline?

Geographical, mostly. Young Guns is more Eastern Montgomery County (Abington, Wissahickon, etc) and Mainline is the Mainline area (Lower Merion, Haverford, etc.). That is at least my understanding of it.

Also Mainline runs a high school program. Young Guns does not.

Good point. That too.

Here we go! Georgetown University aint seen talent like this befo! Who's with me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here we go! Georgetown University aint seen talent like this befo! Who's with me

This is clearly somebody trolling because it's such a notIntelligent comment. BUT, with that being said, after seeing the pics from that minicamp is the end finally near? I legitimately saw in the realm of like 40 kids there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here we go! Georgetown University aint seen talent like this befo! Who's with me

This is clearly somebody trolling because it's such a notIntelligent comment. BUT, with that being said, after seeing the pics from that minicamp is the end finally near? I legitimately saw in the realm of like 40 kids there.

That obvious, huh? Thank goodness we have your intellect here to help sort it all out. Yes the end is near. Move on.

Have all you Dukes haters heard all the changes this year for Duke's Nationals and do any of you know if Duke's elite is phasing out. DN is managing the 2023 HS team with Elite staff as "Advisers". New Director of DN - Did G Leave or get pushed out?
Anyone know what is really going on? How are other classes 24 and below?
Don't reply with "the end is almost here" Dukes has been a staple at the high school level for 20 years just looking for info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have all you Dukes haters heard all the changes this year for Duke's Nationals and do any of you know if Duke's elite is phasing out. DN is managing the 2023 HS team with Elite staff as "Advisers". New Director of DN - Did G Leave or get pushed out?
Anyone know what is really going on? How are other classes 24 and below?
Don't reply with "the end is almost here" Dukes has been a staple at the high school level for 20 years just looking for info.

It’s a pickup team of whoever is available, from anywhere they can find them, when they aren’t playing for other clubs. Basically everyone is a guest player, and they wear Dukes uniform to keep the dukes name current.

G still involved I'm sure

Revolving door of players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revolving door of players.

There's nothing wrong with this if they are a aware of pros & cons and still participate. For the past 3-4 years, I've seen various DN teams play and seen play level anywhere from elite to good.. and never saw a non-competitive team.

Can anyone share what the annual cost is for Duke's Nationals and what all it includes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone share what the annual cost is for Duke's Nationals and what all it includes?

Just continue to write checks they will let you know when you’ve paid enough

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone share what the annual cost is for Duke's Nationals and what all it includes?

My son played for Dukes Nationals a few years ago and the cost at that time was about 3,500 to 4,000 per year. The cost included player registration, monthly mini camps, tournaments, uniforms-seemed to get multiply each year, hotels, gas and food. And yes, my son was above the line on the depth chart the entire time he played. We left due to management, not a well run club at the top level. Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone share what the annual cost is for Duke's Nationals and what all it includes?

Around $350/year "uniform" fee which includes the uniform and the general fee for the team. That does not include the helmet, etc. that new players need to purchase.

Mini camp package is around $900/year. You have to purchase the entire package.

Tournaments are around $200 per event.

Tournament was more than double that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tournament was more than double that

That happens when only 11 kids attend

Does the price and the particulars of DN really matter? We all already know it's a program that had a great concept and poor execution from a few bad actors leading the thing. With the emergence of the many showcase events and clubs/players teams having access to them I fail to understand the need and continued chirping about DN. Between the team and individual showcase events I don't understand the need for DN other than to be stroked about how great your kid is. This experiment just stopped working because of bad human intervention.

Can we all agree to let this dying animal die a quiet death.

where are the dukes tryouts this weekend? Says philly but no details.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

where are the dukes tryouts this weekend? Says philly but no details.

That’s because no one is going

Sounds like Duke's is Reloading with a new high profile coach (Marechek) being officially announced. Perhaps everybody needs to slow down with all the negative comments.

at 2027...those kids aren't even in Middle School does he have a son on that team?

Yes he does!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at 2027...those kids aren't even in Middle School does he have a son on that team?

Of course he does, and he’ll last as long as the other high profile coaches they’ve had. Brotherly Love does the same garbage bait and switch. The coaches don’t even know the kids names.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at 2027...those kids aren't even in Middle School does he have a son on that team?

Of course he does, and he’ll last as long as the other high profile coaches they’ve had. Brotherly Love does the same garbage bait and switch. The coaches don’t even know the kids names.

Comical response from the typical as s hat that is on here. Stay at Freedom let an accountant coach your kid

Accountants seem to make good coaches then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at 2027...those kids aren't even in Middle School does he have a son on that team?

Of course he does, and he’ll last as long as the other high profile coaches they’ve had. Brotherly Love does the same garbage bait and switch. The coaches don’t even know the kids names.

Comical response from the typical as s hat that is on here. Stay at Freedom let an accountant coach your kid

Odd response. Is that to imply someone who is an accountant can't be a good (or great) lacrosse coach? I'd argue that a former player that goes on to have a successful career in a meaningful profession AND finds time to give back to the game via coaching is exactly who'd I want coaching my son. A person like this actually has "perspective" on what the game is and what it is not.

To be brutally honest, I doubt any of our plans end up with our sons becoming the coach of a club lacrosse team (i.e., Marachek). Call me cynical, but I'm always a bit cautious with "Club Lacrosse Coach" Guy. More realistic, the dream would be a 4 year stop at Yale/Hopkins/Duke then straight into I-banking on Wall St. Then when he volunteer's his time to his son's lacrosse team, he'll get bashed randomly on an anonymous board for not being a "full time" coach.. I'll take that option every time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

at 2027...those kids aren't even in Middle School does he have a son on that team?

Of course he does, and he’ll last as long as the other high profile coaches they’ve had. Brotherly Love does the same garbage bait and switch. The coaches don’t even know the kids names.

Comical response from the typical as s hat that is on here. Stay at Freedom let an accountant coach your kid

There's truth in the statement, though. A lot of the high profile coaches disappeared after a few months. Not familiar with Brotherly Love but their web site lists a lot of heavy hitters.

None of them are accountants though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be brutally honest, I doubt any of our plans end up with our sons becoming the coach of a club lacrosse team (i.e., Marachek). Call me cynical, but I'm always a bit cautious with "Club Lacrosse Coach" Guy. More realistic, the dream would be a 4 year stop at Yale/Hopkins/Duke then straight into I-banking on Wall St. Then when he volunteer's his time to his son's lacrosse team, he'll get bashed randomly on an anonymous board for not being a "full time" coach.. I'll take that option every time.

Calling Marachek a "Club Lacrosse Coach" Guy is kinda crazy. He was one of the all time great players who actually had a pretty lengthy (and successful) professional career.

Doesn't mean he's necessarily a great coach (personally, I have a mixed opinion based on experiences with my son), but come on. The guy deserves a bit more respect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be brutally honest, I doubt any of our plans end up with our sons becoming the coach of a club lacrosse team (i.e., Marachek). Call me cynical, but I'm always a bit cautious with "Club Lacrosse Coach" Guy. More realistic, the dream would be a 4 year stop at Yale/Hopkins/Duke then straight into I-banking on Wall St. Then when he volunteer's his time to his son's lacrosse team, he'll get bashed randomly on an anonymous board for not being a "full time" coach.. I'll take that option every time.

Calling Marachek a "Club Lacrosse Coach" Guy is kinda crazy. He was one of the all time great players who actually had a pretty lengthy (and successful) professional career.

Doesn't mean he's necessarily a great coach (personally, I have a mixed opinion based on experiences with my son), but come on. The guy deserves a bit more respect.

Fair enough call out and appreciate that fact that you didn't just call me an stunad (happens a lot on here). I truthfully don't know much about what Marachek has done post SU career. Clearly the guy is a coach and has a bunch of success as a coach - so Marachek is great. it's a good hire for Duke's .

I really just wanted to comment (admittedly poorly) on the absurdity of calling out a coach because he (or she, its a new world) is an accountant when not coaching.

Hmm...do I want a former college player who happens to be a successful business man and Dad coaching my kid...
Or a club lacrosse guy who needs my money to pay the mortgage? Keep hating on Freedom. I'll keep counting my money that doesn't go to the business model clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmm...do I want a former college player who happens to be a successful business man and Dad coaching my kid...
Or a club lacrosse guy who needs my money to pay the mortgage? Keep hating on Freedom. I'll keep counting my money that doesn't go to the business model clubs.

You are 100% missing the point on this. You are paying nearly the same amount to play Freedom as you would Fusion, BL, NXT etc...why is that and where is all that cash going????

To answer your question, I don't want a dad coaching my kid at the club level. I am fine with it at rec. Dad coaches always mean well and are always great guys for a beer but the only dad coaches that I know have a son on the team and therein lies the problem. The kid almost always plays attack, or first line midde, he offense always runs through them and little johhny dominates the playing time and he is never as good as the dad thinks he is.

This is why I left and no regrets. Professional coach now coaching my son and no he isn't an accountant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmm...do I want a former college player who happens to be a successful business man and Dad coaching my kid...
Or a club lacrosse guy who needs my money to pay the mortgage? Keep hating on Freedom. I'll keep counting my money that doesn't go to the business model clubs.

You are 100% missing the point on this. You are paying nearly the same amount to play Freedom as you would Fusion, BL, NXT etc...why is that and where is all that cash going????

I don't know what Fusion costs but I do know what Freedom, NXT and BL cost and believe me, they aren't "nearly the same amount". Freedom is over $1K cheaper than NXT. BL is a unique model because they are more a-la-carte in their costs but they line up more with Freedom than NXT. They also have some dad coaches at BL.

Not even close to the same amount of $

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmm...do I want a former college player who happens to be a successful business man and Dad coaching my kid...
Or a club lacrosse guy who needs my money to pay the mortgage? Keep hating on Freedom. I'll keep counting my money that doesn't go to the business model clubs.

You are 100% missing the point on this. You are paying nearly the same amount to play Freedom as you would Fusion, BL, NXT etc...why is that and where is all that cash going????

I don't know what Fusion costs but I do know what Freedom, NXT and BL cost and believe me, they aren't "nearly the same amount". Freedom is over $1K cheaper than NXT. BL is a unique model because they are more a-la-carte in their costs but they line up more with Freedom than NXT. They also have some dad coaches at BL.

Mesa and HHH $1500 more for fewer events too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmm...do I want a former college player who happens to be a successful business man and Dad coaching my kid...
Or a club lacrosse guy who needs my money to pay the mortgage? Keep hating on Freedom. I'll keep counting my money that doesn't go to the business model clubs.

You are 100% missing the point on this. You are paying nearly the same amount to play Freedom as you would Fusion, BL, NXT etc...why is that and where is all that cash going????

I don't know what Fusion costs but I do know what Freedom, NXT and BL cost and believe me, they aren't "nearly the same amount". Freedom is over $1K cheaper than NXT. BL is a unique model because they are more a-la-carte in their costs but they line up more with Freedom than NXT. They also have some dad coaches at BL.

Mesa and HHH $1500 more for fewer events too.

I'm probably unique in that I care way more about the training and practice aspect of the team than the events. T-shirt titles don't really count for much in my book. That being said, my son isn't in high school so there is no college recruiting expectation right now. If I have to pay a little extra to ensure quality instruction and a focus on solid fundamentals, I'm willing to shell it out. However, I'm also not shelling out big bucks so my kid can go practice at JHU or Duke a few times a year (Can we call that what it is, a gimmick to lure in wide-eyed parents?)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmm...do I want a former college player who happens to be a successful business man and Dad coaching my kid...
Or a club lacrosse guy who needs my money to pay the mortgage? Keep hating on Freedom. I'll keep counting my money that doesn't go to the business model clubs.

You are 100% missing the point on this. You are paying nearly the same amount to play Freedom as you would Fusion, BL, NXT etc...why is that and where is all that cash going????

I don't know what Fusion costs but I do know what Freedom, NXT and BL cost and believe me, they aren't "nearly the same amount". Freedom is over $1K cheaper than NXT. BL is a unique model because they are more a-la-carte in their costs but they line up more with Freedom than NXT. They also have some dad coaches at BL.

Mesa and HHH $1500 more for fewer events too.

I'm probably unique in that I care way more about the training and practice aspect of the team than the events. T-shirt titles don't really count for much in my book. That being said, my son isn't in high school so there is no college recruiting expectation right now. If I have to pay a little extra to ensure quality instruction and a focus on solid fundamentals, I'm willing to shell it out. However, I'm also not shelling out big bucks so my kid can go practice at JHU or Duke a few times a year (Can we call that what it is, a gimmick to lure in wide-eyed parents?)

Then honestly you should look at Brotherly Love Academy. Exceptional coaching and training.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmm...do I want a former college player who happens to be a successful business man and Dad coaching my kid...
Or a club lacrosse guy who needs my money to pay the mortgage? Keep hating on Freedom. I'll keep counting my money that doesn't go to the business model clubs.

You are 100% missing the point on this. You are paying nearly the same amount to play Freedom as you would Fusion, BL, NXT etc...why is that and where is all that cash going????

I don't know what Fusion costs but I do know what Freedom, NXT and BL cost and believe me, they aren't "nearly the same amount". Freedom is over $1K cheaper than NXT. BL is a unique model because they are more a-la-carte in their costs but they line up more with Freedom than NXT. They also have some dad coaches at BL.

Mesa and HHH $1500 more for fewer events too.

I'm probably unique in that I care way more about the training and practice aspect of the team than the events. T-shirt titles don't really count for much in my book. That being said, my son isn't in high school so there is no college recruiting expectation right now. If I have to pay a little extra to ensure quality instruction and a focus on solid fundamentals, I'm willing to shell it out. However, I'm also not shelling out big bucks so my kid can go practice at JHU or Duke a few times a year (Can we call that what it is, a gimmick to lure in wide-eyed parents?)

It is interesting that you list what YOU care about. Quality instruction and solid fundamentals? That sounds really boring. when I was a kid and start playing lacrosse it was fun and different. I agree that today the over structure of the club system is not made for kids but games are still what kids enjoy. Save the "training and development" for later in HS and beyond. Kids just want to play games. Sure have some practices but I think training is very overused by clubs. They do not develop players, players develop themselves. when pushed to play tougher competition they rise to the level or they don't. However no kid wants to train and develop. They like games, the pool at a tournament, and gear.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmm...do I want a former college player who happens to be a successful business man and Dad coaching my kid...
Or a club lacrosse guy who needs my money to pay the mortgage? Keep hating on Freedom. I'll keep counting my money that doesn't go to the business model clubs.

You are 100% missing the point on this. You are paying nearly the same amount to play Freedom as you would Fusion, BL, NXT etc...why is that and where is all that cash going????

I don't know what Fusion costs but I do know what Freedom, NXT and BL cost and believe me, they aren't "nearly the same amount". Freedom is over $1K cheaper than NXT. BL is a unique model because they are more a-la-carte in their costs but they line up more with Freedom than NXT. They also have some dad coaches at BL.

Mesa and HHH $1500 more for fewer events too.

I'm probably unique in that I care way more about the training and practice aspect of the team than the events. T-shirt titles don't really count for much in my book. That being said, my son isn't in high school so there is no college recruiting expectation right now. If I have to pay a little extra to ensure quality instruction and a focus on solid fundamentals, I'm willing to shell it out. However, I'm also not shelling out big bucks so my kid can go practice at JHU or Duke a few times a year (Can we call that what it is, a gimmick to lure in wide-eyed parents?)

It is interesting that you list what YOU care about. Quality instruction and solid fundamentals? That sounds really boring. when I was a kid and start playing lacrosse it was fun and different. I agree that today the over structure of the club system is not made for kids but games are still what kids enjoy. Save the "training and development" for later in HS and beyond. Kids just want to play games. Sure have some practices but I think training is very overused by clubs. They do not develop players, players develop themselves. when pushed to play tougher competition they rise to the level or they don't. However no kid wants to train and develop. They like games, the pool at a tournament, and gear.

I pay the bill, so I think I have that right to list what I'm looking for. Kids are still kids and aren't known to be the best decision makers. I agree with you that it CAN be really boring...if you don't have a good coaching staff. That job of the coaching staff is to make training and development fun for the kids while improving their skills each practice. Gamifying practice. I'm not interested in practice plans that were developed 25 years ago when we played, because you are right, it's boring and the kids quickly lose interest.

As for fundamentals being boring, i'm guessing you never played football. If you don't stress fundamentals there, necks get damaged and legs stop working. So yea, again as adults we have to try to stress why fundamentals are important. Left to his own devices, I'm sure my kid would eat ice cream and cookies for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Chicken is boring. Should I sign him up for the Ben and Jerry's Meal plan?

Maybe we can all put aside our differences for a moment. Just got an email that one of the Brotherly Love Zeus 2023 boys is battling lymphoma. New to the team but seems like a great cause to rally around.

gf.me/u/vvzybh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe we can all put aside our differences for a moment. Just got an email that one of the Brotherly Love Zeus 2023 boys is battling lymphoma. New to the team but seems like a great cause to rally around.

gf.me/u/vvzybh

+1 Checking it out now. Prayers for him.

Looks like the Dukes can't field a 2025 team for Battle of the Bay.

At philly inv showcase why were there two Dukes 2023 teams - what’s going on there?

One was nationals and one is Dukes Young Guns

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One was nationals and one is Dukes Young Guns

Sure about that? Duke's has the event listed on their schedule for the 2023 "Elite" team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One was nationals and one is Dukes Young Guns

Sure about that? Duke's has the event listed on their schedule for the 2023 "Elite" team

Young Guns is their elite team from PA, nationals is whoever they can get that weekend from other clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One was nationals and one is Dukes Young Guns

Sure about that? Duke's has the event listed on their schedule for the 2023 "Elite" team

Young Guns is their elite team from PA, nationals is whoever they can get that weekend from other clubs

So these guys are listed incorrectly as Duke's Elite vs Duke's Young Guns?

https://www.thedukeslacrosse.com/player-rosters-player-forms/duke-s-elite-2023-players/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One was nationals and one is Dukes Young Guns

Sure about that? Duke's has the event listed on their schedule for the 2023 "Elite" team

Young Guns is their elite team from PA, nationals is whoever they can get that weekend from other clubs

So these guys are listed incorrectly as Duke's Elite vs Duke's Young Guns?

https://www.thedukeslacrosse.com/player-rosters-player-forms/duke-s-elite-2023-players/

Who knows what that mess is??? Lists 30 kids half aren’t from PA and many play for other teams and are also listed Dukes Nationals kids.

So what just happened? I see that Ebe posted that Duke's has terminated their relationship with G and that Duke's Nationals is no more. And then today I saw an advertisement for the next Duke's Nationals tryouts with the caption "Business as usual".

I can't keep track of this stuff....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what just happened? I see that Ebe posted that Duke's has terminated their relationship with G and that Duke's Nationals is no more. And then today I saw an advertisement for the next Duke's Nationals tryouts with the caption "Business as usual".

I can't keep track of this stuff....

That's why they are a complete JOKE!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One was nationals and one is Dukes Young Guns

Sure about that? Duke's has the event listed on their schedule for the 2023 "Elite" team

Young Guns is their elite team from PA, nationals is whoever they can get that weekend from other clubs

So these guys are listed incorrectly as Duke's Elite vs Duke's Young Guns?

https://www.thedukeslacrosse.com/player-rosters-player-forms/duke-s-elite-2023-players/

Who knows what that mess is??? Lists 30 kids half aren’t from PA and many play for other teams and are also listed Dukes Nationals kids.

Dukes Young Guns is not the same team as Dukes Elite. Both ran by Ebe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what just happened? I see that Ebe posted that Duke's has terminated their relationship with G and that Duke's Nationals is no more. And then today I saw an advertisement for the next Duke's Nationals tryouts with the caption "Business as usual".

I can't keep track of this stuff....

That's why they are a complete JOKE!!!!!!

You need your head checked if you spend a dime on this organization

So does anyone actually know what is going on with Nationals and Duke's? Just a bunch of drama?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So does anyone actually know what is going on with Nationals and Duke's? Just a bunch of drama?

greed, arrogance, and ignorance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So does anyone actually know what is going on with Nationals and Duke's? Just a bunch of drama?

greed, arrogance, and ignorance [/quote
G and Ebe split ways. For what exact reason not sure and we will probably never know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So does anyone actually know what is going on with Nationals and Duke's? Just a bunch of drama?

greed, arrogance, and ignorance [/quote
G and Ebe split ways. For what exact reason not sure and we will probably never know.

Great Duke’s Nationals minicamp tonight at Loyola - strong 2024 showing with 5-6 new players. Excellent numbers at the younger ages. Instagram post appears to be a lot of noise nothing more.

Wonder who owns the name? If G has decided that he's going to go ahead and infringe, it'll be fun to watch. Then again not likely that either one of those bozos knows the first thing about IP law.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So does anyone actually know what is going on with Nationals and Duke's? Just a bunch of drama?

greed, arrogance, and ignorance [/quote
G and Ebe split ways. For what exact reason not sure and we will probably never know.

Great Duke’s Nationals minicamp tonight at Loyola - strong 2024 showing with 5-6 new players. Excellent numbers at the younger ages. Instagram post appears to be a lot of noise nothing more.

older teams are gone, what's the point of the younger teams, are they going to try and keep these together?

Don't have to be Nostradumus to predict:

1. G will continue to use Dukes name and go it alone.
2. E will have to send a cease and desist.
3. That situation will languish for the better part of 2020
4. Dukes OG will slowly die as way more competition and choices and no feeder program.
5. E will make it work using shoelaces and bubblegum.
6. E will finally be faced with being unable to use the Dukes name.
7. E will change the name to something similiar ie 'Ducks"
8. Ducks model will struggle as G isn't a good businessman.
9. Will last 1-2 years and fizzle out.

Just as an FYI, have it on good authority that G "owns the 'Duke's Nationals' name". So there could be a C&D, but not sure it stands any chance legally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So does anyone actually know what is going on with Nationals and Duke's? Just a bunch of drama?

greed, arrogance, and ignorance [/quote
G and Ebe split ways. For what exact reason not sure and we will probably never know.

Great Duke’s Nationals minicamp tonight at Loyola - strong 2024 showing with 5-6 new players. Excellent numbers at the younger ages. Instagram post appears to be a lot of noise nothing more.

older teams are gone, what's the point of the younger teams, are they going to try and keep these together?

I saw the pic too and there are about 35-40 kids total. From all age groups-usually don't they carry 35-40 on their each team

Thanks G!!!

and on top of all the uncertainty its $3600 for the program!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

and on top of all the uncertainty its $3600 for the program!!

I can't believe how much these programs are charging now, it's insanity HHH and Mesa are the same price.

And now G's putting a 2022 Nationals team together? He's trying to directly complete with Ebe? While using the Duke's name?

Honestly, the instability of the program is alarming. Combined with the questionable business practices and tactics utilized by G, any intelligent person would walk away a not look back. Truly embarrasing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And now G's putting a 2022 Nationals team together? He's trying to directly complete with Ebe? While using the Duke's name?

Come on? Really? Stick with the youth teams-where did you see 2022 info at? BOMBS dropping.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And now G's putting a 2022 Nationals team together? He's trying to directly complete with Ebe? While using the Duke's name?

Come on? Really? Stick with the youth teams-where did you see 2022 info at? BOMBS dropping.......

Instagram....the only hammerhead G uses these days

dukesnationals
After much anticipation we are happy to announce the reinstatement of 2022 Duke’s Nationals! Look for the 2x National Champions back in action this summer!
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Are you a 2022 looking for a team?? Head to our page or website for tryout info! #jointhenationals #jointhenats

"#GiveMeYourMoney"

Coach G is officially removed from Dukes. This will certainly help based on my personal opinion and from what I read in this thread.

Originally Posted by DukeLax

Coach G is officially removed from Dukes. This will certainly help based on my personal opinion and from what I read in this thread.

Help who? He was always just another franchise and the only one that fielded a competitive team

This club is dying a slow death......not a team at any level considered elite.

Yep, was a novel idea, but now just a waste of money as a mid level program due to lack of chemistry and any type of coherent structure with zeroro development

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, was a novel idea, but now just a waste of money as a mid level program due to lack of chemistry and any type of coherent structure with zeroro development

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes Duke’s Nationals separated from Duke’s LC but both Clubs have strong teams!
Duke’s Elite High School teams were strong this fall at showcases and have had a number of good college commits.
Duke’s Nationals 2023-2027 strong at each grade this fall. 2024 just beat MADLAX 2024 at DCBox Classic, and if you believe us club lax rankings Madlax is number 1 for that grade.

I don’t know EB or G but the teams I have seen play and what I hear from other clubs is nothing like I read on these pages.

Thanks G!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This club is dying a slow death......not a team at any level considered elite.

Hhhmmm. In January, 24s won box championship against Madlax at their own tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks G!

You’re welcome M.R.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, was a novel idea, but now just a waste of money as a mid level program due to lack of chemistry and any type of coherent structure with zeroro development

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes Duke’s Nationals separated from Duke’s LC but both Clubs have strong teams!
Duke’s Elite High School teams were strong this fall at showcases and have had a number of good college commits.
Duke’s Nationals 2023-2027 strong at each grade this fall. 2024 just beat MADLAX 2024 at DCBox Classic, and if you believe us club lax rankings Madlax is number 1 for that grade.

I don’t know EB or G but the teams I have seen play and what I hear from other clubs is nothing like I read on these pages.

And when they post hype videos like this on IG, it's hard to argue with how hard they push their athletes with the best competition in tournaments!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B78a_6vB9C_/

Continually ripping top cheddar on a clearly brand new goalie who's literally afraid of/trying to avoid the ball is where it's at! It's what you see in all of the best hype videos that show how dominant a team is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, was a novel idea, but now just a waste of money as a mid level program due to lack of chemistry and any type of coherent structure with zeroro development

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes Duke’s Nationals separated from Duke’s LC but both Clubs have strong teams!
Duke’s Elite High School teams were strong this fall at showcases and have had a number of good college commits.
Duke’s Nationals 2023-2027 strong at each grade this fall. 2024 just beat MADLAX 2024 at DCBox Classic, and if you believe us club lax rankings Madlax is number 1 for that grade.

I don’t know EB or G but the teams I have seen play and what I hear from other clubs is nothing like I read on these pages.

And when they post hype videos like this on IG, it's hard to argue with how hard they push their athletes with the best competition in tournaments!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B78a_6vB9C_/

Continually ripping top cheddar on a clearly brand new goalie who's literally afraid of/trying to avoid the ball is where it's at! It's what you see in all of the best hype videos that show how dominant a team is.

LMFAO. That goalie wanted to be in that goal as much as I want someone to walk in and kick me in the jimmy right now. Kudos to him for stepping in there, takes a set

Hmmmmmm......

http://www.dukesnationals.com

I guess we found out who owns the Duke's IP. Duke's Nationals is now... Nationals Lacrosse

https://www.instagram.com/nationalslacrosseclub/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hmmmmmm......

http://www.dukesnationals.com

They have re-branded their program to "Nationals". I'm guessing they will be unveiling a new website soon.

Could be IP issue or simply separating from the mothership with there own brand.

What teams do they have now? I’ve only seen comments on 24’s and 23’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just as an FYI, have it on good authority that G "owns the 'Duke's Nationals' name". So there could be a C&D, but not sure it stands any chance legally.

So are you still sure?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just as an FYI, have it on good authority that G "owns the 'Duke's Nationals' name". So there could be a C&D, but not sure it stands any chance legally.

So are you still sure?

Never said I was "sure" in the first place. Was going off of what I was told. Doesn't mean he didn't but DOES mean he folded in the stance that he could use if if he wanted to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just as an FYI, have it on good authority that G "owns the 'Duke's Nationals' name". So there could be a C&D, but not sure it stands any chance legally.

So are you still sure?

Never said I was "sure" in the first place. Was going off of what I was told. Doesn't mean he didn't but DOES mean he folded in the stance that he could use if if he wanted to.

I don't think your "good authority" friend knows how IP works. The Duke's name is not trademarked, by the way. Ebe, however, has been using the name for a long time - probably since G was in diapers. Ain't no way G has any rights to that name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just as an FYI, have it on good authority that G "owns the 'Duke's Nationals' name". So there could be a C&D, but not sure it stands any chance legally.

So are you still sure?

Never said I was "sure" in the first place. Was going off of what I was told. Doesn't mean he didn't but DOES mean he folded in the stance that he could use if if he wanted to.

I don't think your "good authority" friend knows how IP works. The Duke's name is not trademarked, by the way. Ebe, however, has been using the name for a long time - probably since G was in diapers. Ain't no way G has any rights to that name.

Or is paying for it...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just as an FYI, have it on good authority that G "owns the 'Duke's Nationals' name". So there could be a C&D, but not sure it stands any chance legally.

So are you still sure?

Never said I was "sure" in the first place. Was going off of what I was told. Doesn't mean he didn't but DOES mean he folded in the stance that he could use if if he wanted to.

I don't think your "good authority" friend knows how IP works. The Duke's name is not trademarked, by the way. Ebe, however, has been using the name for a long time - probably since G was in diapers. Ain't no way G has any rights to that name.

Or is paying for it...

Ebe, only accept cash, not a certified check for more than the amount!

Q & A with Duke's Lacrosse President, Ebe Helm
Covering Multi Topics Including New Player Orientation Conference Call, Duke's Programs, Duke's National's, & New Duke's Programs.

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Q : Understanding that the Duke's Lacrosse Club has Multi Regional Programs , can you advise just what happened with the Duke's National's Program that operated under the Duke's Lacrosse Club?

A: Duke's National's Program was actually a Duke's Regional Program but they Named themselves Duke's National's because they Recruited with No Territorial Boundaries at the Middle School Age while all our other Duke's Regional Programs operate within Specific Territories.
The Duke's National's Program as it Previously Existed under the Duke's Lacrosse Club was Terminated, Removed and Discontinued under the prior Leadership because it Failed to Deliver on it's Primary Mandate and because there were Multi other Issues that Compromised the Values and Integrity of Duke's Lacrosse Club.

Q : If this Duke's National's Regional Program was Terminated, can you be more Specific about why and what the Problems were that you Encountered to force this Termination?

A : Where do I start. Let me be brief and just respond to the specifics of so many of your phone calls, emails, Blogs and the many Complaints from Events, Tournaments, Hotels, Many, many Vendors; Facility's, College Coaches, Other Club Coaches and Programs; Duke's Coaches and most Importantly Player's and Parents.
It frankly just became to Difficult to Explain and Navigate thru these Inconsistencies and Complaints that demanded Responsible Replies and Answers to all these Entities.
Additionally, with the Failure to Respond to a Primary Mandate; the lack of Respect for the History of who Duke's Lacrosse Club is and what it Represents just could No longer be Overlooked, Ignored or Compromised .
Bottom line, Our Integrity as a Program was at stake and having to Continuously Field all of these Complaints about a Total lack of Transparency; a Total Lack of Effective Communications; Ongoing Money Issues and so much more that so many of you Commented on simply didnt allow us to Continue with this Duke's National's Program under the Duke's Lacrosse Club's Name.

Q : How can the Previous Duke's National's People Continue to Use your Name?

A : We will defer to our Attorney's who have Filed a "Cease and Desist" Order on that Issue.

We expect this to be resolved amicably but if not then expect the next step will be an Injunction and Multi Court Filings seeking Damages and a Formal Remedy.
But again, that will be something our Attorney's handle.

Q : Can Players and Family's contact you or the Duke's Lacrosse Club Program to see where they may Fit within your Duke's Programs?

A : Definitely YES.

Feel free to Email me @ dukeslaxx13@aol.com or call me on my cell phone number of 610-247-5253 and we will review options for you to remain in or join one of our Duke's Lacrosse Club Programs.

Q : Do you plan on Replacing what was the Duke's National's Program?

A : Great question. We are Excited to tell you that DEFINITELY YES we are Replacing the previous Dukes National's Entity .
We are Interviewing Multiple Entities who will Remake this Program and Develop it into the Respectable, Responsible Program Entity that starts with a Foundation of Integrity, Honesty, Trust and Reliability.
Because of NCAA Rules, we can't Name add'l People we are having discussions with but suffice it to say, they are Duke's Alums and they are "household" names in the Lacrosse World.
Very Exciting !!!

Interesting - An anonymous Q&A with Dukes President. That seems very transparent.

Well, given the odd mid-sentence capitalizations and spelling errors in this post, I now know that Ebe is posting in the forum.

G, your turn to respond in the 3rd person and talk about what Nationals is going to do to battle the replacement for the "previous Dukes National's Entity" with a super team of your own.

https://media.tenor.com/images/23b875bff0290d88431de8cb75a161c3/tenor.gif

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, given the odd mid-sentence capitalizations and spelling errors in this post, I now know that Ebe is posting in the forum.

That's a cut and paste from the Duke's web site.

my son was on their 2025 team last year. What a complete s**tshow. By the end of summer, the whole team had pretty much fallen apart and no one showed up. There were events scheduled and literally a bunch of kids and parents were left -- many drove for hours to get there -- with no coaches at all, no cancellation, etc. All the Fall tournaments for 2025's were cancelled as there was no team left. SportsEngine got shut down, all communications stopped, and no one has ever followed up at all.

Received this year's uniform pack though, so I guess that's good?

But yeah, my experience was a constant demand for $$$$ without a clear strategy for the boys to play at the higher level. Once all the coaches bailed out, there wasn't anything left.

Someone reached out to me expressing interest in my son joining there 2026 team. I could not get any sensible answers to the questions I asked. So like the show Shark Tank...for that reason I was out!

Based upon what you wrote, in hindsight, I made an excellent choice!

My sons team played Dukes at Long Island Lax Clash this summer, the 2023 team had 11 or 12 kids show up. From talking to the team parents, the players that showed up were from all over the country and only found out there wasn’t going to be any players showing up until they went to the field on day 1. The 23 team got absolutely destroyed and played in high heat and humidity without adequate subs. I actually felt sorry for the kids that showed up and for the parents who obviously fell for this guys ridiculous excuse for a program. The coach who was there seemed to be a decent knowledgeable coach, but what can you do with a dozen players? Did not see Coach G, too busy cashing checks at the bank??? Or Didn’t want to answer the parents complaints???

it was an interesting model in that it was designed to work in conjunction with your typical crazy club situation. At the end of the day, the concept of meeting and playing with kids all over the country was unique; the experience to play at the D1 fields was kind of cool (gimmick? oh, yeah... none the less very cool).

The problems are:
1. No communications.... seriously, the day before traveling to a tournament in some far away state you get one poorly worded email
2. Didn't capitalize on creating a team - when you bring a bunch of kids together you need to get them hanging out and building some bonds. This didn't happen at any age group
3. See #1; the only time you heard from them is when they wanted more $$$$$ which was constant and unending. Otherwise, your son could catch on fire during a game, get medivac'ed off the field and you wouldn't get a reply
4. Talked a good game but didn't follow through on anything - from the beginning - all the things they preach; the grade requirements, the "personally calling the coach to accept the offer", etc. is all garbage. Lou couldn't name half the kids on the field; called them by jersey numbers and actively ran away after games so parents didn't have a chance to ask any questions.

I'd have been better off spending all that money on some freakish gimp to abuse me with a D pole for a few months. That may have been cheaper, honestly.

Someone tell me it isn't true. Did Dukes National or whatever is is now called go down to South Carolina to compete? Someone mentioned it to me and I absolutely couldn't believe it. Again, please someone tell me this isn't true.

He moved to North Carolina so one can only assume??????

Duke's wasn't there. It was mostly Sweetlax clubs veruse a few local S.C. teams.

Sad that people still care about a defunct program.

Does anyone have G's phone number? He took $3k from me in the fall and I got nothing. No tournaments, no helmet, nothing. Shocker but zero response after many emails.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have G's phone number? He took $3k from me in the fall and I got nothing. No tournaments, no helmet, nothing. Shocker but zero response after many emails.

Set up a dummy gmail account and email him about wanting to join Nationals. Guaranteed he will respond to that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have G's phone number? He took $3k from me in the fall and I got nothing. No tournaments, no helmet, nothing. Shocker but zero response after many emails.

Set up a dummy gmail account and email him about wanting to join Nationals. Guaranteed he will respond to that.

Your full of it. The program doesn't cost that much and you know it. Must be one of those kids cut after last season. Get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have G's phone number? He took $3k from me in the fall and I got nothing. No tournaments, no helmet, nothing. Shocker but zero response after many emails.

Set up a dummy gmail account and email him about wanting to join Nationals. Guaranteed he will respond to that.

Your full of it. The program doesn't cost that much and you know it. Must be one of those kids cut after last season. Get a life.

Tuition, helmet and gloves was $3,693.55 paid in September. Never received any of the gear. Our team was never put in a single tournament starting in September. Criminal

Dispute with CC company thats what I did. Never received anything either. I disputed in December though-got all my money back. CC company sends him something then he has 45 days to respond and if he doesn't you get money back. (at least with visa) GOOD LUCK

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dispute with CC company thats what I did. Never received anything either. I disputed in December though-got all my money back. CC company sends him something then he has 45 days to respond and if he doesn't you get money back. (at least with visa) GOOD LUCK

Thanks for the tip. Got it all back!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dispute with CC company thats what I did. Never received anything either. I disputed in December though-got all my money back. CC company sends him something then he has 45 days to respond and if he doesn't you get money back. (at least with visa) GOOD LUCK

Thanks for the tip. Got it all back!

Finally, a positive outcome from this board! congrats to both of you.

How is Duke's doing these days?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is Duke's doing these days?

Forester brothers seemed to have taken over so that can only be a positive.

Seen dukes recently . Was impressed with coach speech I overheard after tournament. But I will say stay away from nationals team . I was told they are no longer affiliated. Nationals is all about the money not player development. Every tournament they have new kids. If you play in a good lacrosse area not worth the money.

Are Duke's and Brotherly Love combining to form one team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are Duke's and Brotherly Love combining to form one team?

no creating a national type team like all the other big programs seem to be doing...

Who is running it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is running it?

Big list of coaches for Premier (BL + Dukes) Mational Alliance. Haven’t seen whose w/ each team.

http://www.pnalacrosse.com/home.php

Another money grab.

Or just go play for the Nationals who are the surviving entity right? Their teams did great at Naptown.

The Dukes teams at 2022, 2023, and 2024 were not National teams at Naptown. They were local Duke’s teams and they all did pretty well.

Asking for a friend, is this the same program who went under a few times? Did people get refunds?

Run, do not walk. Run.

The Dukes teams at Naptown we’re not national teams, made up mostly of local kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes teams at Naptown we’re not national teams, made up mostly of local kids.

The nationals that played in naptown have kids from all over the country

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes teams at Naptown we’re not national teams, made up mostly of local kids.

The nationals that played in naptown have kids from all over the country

Nationals is where all the coaching and talent roster is

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes teams at Naptown we’re not national teams, made up mostly of local kids.

The nationals that played in naptown have kids from all over the country

Let's be clear....

Duke's Elite competed in 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025

"Nationals" (which is the rebranding of G's Duke's Nationals team that was booted from the Duke's umbrella) competed in 2027 and 2028

Correct. Nationals is all the coaching, roster & top tournament talent,Nationals is not a b team formed by maybe average hs &play in marginal tournaments

“Nationals” is no longer part of dukes. Should probably refrain from discussing them in this forum.

nationals is G and everyone knows to run as fast as you can from him! the new premiere national is ebe helms attempt to fix the mess that is G

Lol sure. Nationals is only place to be

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol sure. Nationals is only place to be

You must be new here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Lol sure. Nationals is only place to be

yeah G has a great reputation--just use the search function and see all the glowing reviews of him

Is a group using money orders and certified checks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is a group using money orders and certified checks?

^^^^^^^^^^^

What is it with Philly lacrosse?
- HHH uses older players and gets kicked out of tournaments
- Brotherly Love heavily recruits players and then sits them
- Everyone has holdbacks, thus no one plays in WSYL at either 13U or 14U. NXT, Freedom, Team Ten, PA Roughriders, HHH, Rising Sons, Fusion, Brotherly Love. Not a single one. It's not like they don't want to or choose not to, they can't.
- Duke's reputation is terrible.

Philly continues to groom some great players - happy for the kids. The parents and club directors - not so much. It's just lacrosse, folks,

what's so special about the WSYL. it's just a 3 day tourney where some team from the island wins.
duke's rep is fine. G is the problem. That guy should be running a boiler room on Wall Street.
every region uses holdbacks (it's the main topic on conversation across this entire site).

Don't get me wrong, you bring up some good points.

WSYL isn't cheap and many teams have kids with summer birthdays that don't meet the cut off date and can't really be classified as holdbacks. Many teams hold tryouts for their WSYL teams, which seems to go against what it was supposed to have been about. Would have stunk to have been on a team and then told, you can't play as we're bringing in a couple others to take your normal spot for this tourney.

But aside from that, I wonder how many kids will reclass this year with Act 66 signed last week. Any thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is it with Philly lacrosse?
- HHH uses older players and gets kicked out of tournaments
- Brotherly Love heavily recruits players and then sits them
- Everyone has holdbacks, thus no one plays in WSYL at either 13U or 14U. NXT, Freedom, Team Ten, PA Roughriders, HHH, Rising Sons, Fusion, Brotherly Love. Not a single one. It's not like they don't want to or choose not to, they can't.
- Duke's reputation is terrible.

Philly continues to groom some great players - happy for the kids. The parents and club directors - not so much. It's just lacrosse, folks,

I have no strong WSYL feelings (good event, but a lot of money), but it would have been nice for some of these teams to combine and rep the Philly area. Tigers obv showed well at 13U, but would have been nice to have more from the area. A few clubss: Fusion, Rising Sons and Brotherly Love aren't currently fielding top-level competitive teams at these ages and some clubs are only legit at one of these ages (Team Ten strong 25s and B level 26s, PA RR strong 26s and B level 25s), but it seems like a couple more teams could have been created if people cared enough about WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is it with Philly lacrosse?
- HHH uses older players and gets kicked out of tournaments
- Brotherly Love heavily recruits players and then sits them
- Everyone has holdbacks, thus no one plays in WSYL at either 13U or 14U. NXT, Freedom, Team Ten, PA Roughriders, HHH, Rising Sons, Fusion, Brotherly Love. Not a single one. It's not like they don't want to or choose not to, they can't.
- Duke's reputation is terrible.

Philly continues to groom some great players - happy for the kids. The parents and club directors - not so much. It's just lacrosse, folks,

Sounds like Nationals has a huge turnout. Other group running way behind...no demand outside of the saps who have no choice?

Never a good demand signal when there is talk of adding MORE tryout dates.

Failure to launch, again?

NXT announced that they plan to take 2027s to WSYL this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NXT announced that they plan to take 2027s to WSYL this year.

Anybody can enter the qualifiers for WSYL. Does it actually increase tryout numbers and/or materially improve the team to do so...that is a serious question. Looking for parents who have gone through that process to provide some insight for the others on the board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NXT announced that they plan to take 2027s to WSYL this year.

Like last year!

Anybody at the Premier Nationals tryout? If so, how’d it look? I imagine a pretty healthy rivalry with Nationals would be quick to follow! G vs Eb. I might pay to see something like that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dispute with CC company thats what I did. Never received anything either. I disputed in December though-got all my money back. CC company sends him something then he has 45 days to respond and if he doesn't you get money back. (at least with visa) GOOD LUCK

Thanks for the tip. Got it all back!

Interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

G finally sheds the weight of that old club to do things his way. Nothing but domination on the horizon for the nationals.

Yikes. Shots fired in this most uncivil war.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

G finally sheds the weight of that old club to do things his way. Nothing but domination on the horizon for the nationals.

Yikes. Shots fired in this most uncivil war.

Actually, shedding the weight of G was the real challenge.

G is taking over at Bishop Sycamore

Real question about Nationals. Their teams won all 4 divisions at Nightfall in PA (‘26 - ‘29). Is this the new version of Duke’s Nationals, which was a disaster? I thought I read here that Nationals was started by the guy who was bad news & bad business for Duke’s.

Were these really national all-star teams? Coaches who were Duke’s coaches? Kids from…?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Real question about Nationals. Their teams won all 4 divisions at Nightfall in PA (‘26 - ‘29). Is this the new version of Duke’s Nationals, which was a disaster? I thought I read here that Nationals was started by the guy who was bad news & bad business for Duke’s.

Were these really national all-star teams? Coaches who were Duke’s coaches? Kids from…?

The Nationals is the surviving group with all the success from before and after.

Nationals is gonzos rebranding. advice would be to run from this guy!! worst reputation I've come across in youth lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals is gonzos rebranding. advice would be to run from this guy!! worst reputation I've come across in youth lax

Think the other group might be the worst reputation. At least G hasnt gone under multiple times like the other group!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nationals is gonzos rebranding. advice would be to run from this guy!! worst reputation I've come across in youth lax

Think the other group might be the worst reputation. At least G hasnt gone under multiple times like the other group!

Look, G still has a lot of strong connections and as of right now has built some strong teams. Winning Nightfall not a big deal, not very strong competition. The only reason Nationals entered that tournament is they were having some tryouts in the area and wanted to show well so they beat up on some weaker teams. If you want to join a club where you have to travel 3 hours to get to a practice have at it but just about none of Phillys top players have joined Nationals. The only legit team Nationals has is there 27’s the other teams are OK but they are good. And didn’t I hear last week that G got Nationals banned from club nationals in Florida?

Ok

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok

To be fair Nationals has a real operation and the other one hasn’t got off the ground ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nationals is gonzos rebranding. advice would be to run from this guy!! worst reputation I've come across in youth lax

Think the other group might be the worst reputation. At least G hasnt gone under multiple times like the other group!

Look, G still has a lot of strong connections and as of right now has built some strong teams. Winning Nightfall not a big deal, not very strong competition. The only reason Nationals entered that tournament is they were having some tryouts in the area and wanted to show well so they beat up on some weaker teams. If you want to join a club where you have to travel 3 hours to get to a practice have at it but just about none of Phillys top players have joined Nationals. The only legit team Nationals has is there 27’s the other teams are OK but they are good. And didn’t I hear last week that G got Nationals banned from club nationals in Florida?

Yup, as I understand it they had players across divisions.

Why so?

Totally

You guys should stop living in the past and look at what Duke’s Elite has become now; their 24’s are studs, ton of them going to top DI programs, including Ivy Leagues. The younger teams (20028-2034) are easily the some of best teams in PA (2030’s top 10 nationally), arguably tops in the Nation.
Nationals are a showcase team. If you have a young boy in eastern PA, Duke’s Elite is the only place to be.

2026 Dukes Elite 215th in the country
2027 145th

Dukes Elite ... the only place to be for young boys

To be far all the teams are about the same.

2028-2034, you reference 26/27…hopefully your son is smarter. Prob not.

How are you even getting rankings on 2034's??? US Club Lacrosse only goes to 2028.
Oh I see this is just an ad for Duke's

US club lacrosse only rank the teams starting at 2028. So either you have a special ranking or you are BS.
I'm thinking you and your 29-34 rankings are BS and MESA/Team 10 are the place for younger kids

This is a Duke’s forum right?
Admittedly, my opinions are subjective, obviously, based on the teams/tourneys they are playing/beating.
I guess my point is, the program has changed significantly since the old days, for the better, and is def a place for young laxers to grow and succeed. Fair?

Fair and fair to see they [Censored] pot like the rest I guess.nothing special to much money just like guy above fro Mesa and team10.Laxers better shot playing hs and football and maybe get drafted to saintjoeies and nfl maybe if you know what I mean, be smart!

Translation?

Agreed

Freedom 28’s rolledddddd past Dukes! The most entertaining part is watching the Dukes coaching staff come unglued🤣🤣

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom 28’s rolledddddd past Dukes! The most entertaining part is watching the Dukes coaching staff come unglued🤣🤣

I take it there is some bad blood between these two ‘28 teams? What’s the backstory? Both teams are pretty solid from a talent perspective (no dog in this fight)

Good battles between the two local teams, Freedom for sure has had the Duke’s number…
That said, Freedom parents are THE WORST

Dukes bought by the same group that recently bought Brotherly Love? Philly lacrosse going corporate, shame.

I had heard BPG might buy Duke's but haven't seen any confirmation. Have not been a fan of the changes to BL and was considering moving my son to BL.

What changes have you seen that would warrant concern? How do you go “corporate” in lax? Sounds like coaching will all stay as is…

Anybody know what this Duke's Elite Helm team is all about? Will these just be the only High School teams? Or is this their "National" team and regular old Duke's Elite will be the non-national teams?

Just HS, guess EB wanted something of his own to keep a pet of the program. The national team they run is Premier Nationals.

We were offered a roster spot to which we replied and paid for said roster spot. Almost a week has gone by with no communication whatsoever. I have emailed three different email addresses and have not received a response from any.

Is this normal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We were offered a roster spot to which we replied and paid for said roster spot. Almost a week has gone by with no communication whatsoever. I have emailed three different email addresses and have not received a response from any.

Is this normal?

I would say generally this is not normal. Given that Dukes sold to a conglomerate, my guess is they haven't figured out the who is doing what. You would think that a professionally run organization would have that all buttoned up when the deal was inked. I'm sure they will get it all figured out and you'll get a response. But certainly doesn't distill confidence out of the gate.

Generally, I wouldn't expect too much communication from the club during Late July/Early August. Everyone is taking vacation after the spring/summer/tryout season. Late August the communicate will pick up as they start ramping up for the fall practices that will begin in September after Labor Day.

While I have never been part of Duke's or the parent company, most large clubs have a communication Director that all questions should be funneled through. Probably the type of information they will get to you once they figure out who is doing what.

In closing, is it annoying - yes. is it unexpected - probably not given Duke's changes. will it get better? - hopefully/probably.

Enjoy what is left of summer. you've got the next 11 months to worry about your lacrosse team.

The Duke’s MSI is completely outside of their normal teams; Ebe must’ve mandated access to his own team, in order to sell. Not sure why they have HS plans young ages as well. Big corporations means teams everywhere I guess..?

English translation?!

I think he is saying:
EW must’ve demanded a team in order to sell, hence, the Duke’s MSI (believe EW owned the rights to the club name)
The big corporations wanna make profit, so they saturate the market w teams - doesn’t make sense but trusts what they do. Duke’s will go from 1 team to probably 3 or 4, depending on geographical reach.