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Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/30/18 04:48 PM

Use this thread to discuss the Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 Season
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/30/18 08:42 PM

Express, TAZ and Wolfpack the best 2024s

See Madlax in Denver?......NOT
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 12:18 PM

Denver is a crap tournament. But feel free to claim it's a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 02:17 PM

MadLax beat TAZ and WP enough on the East Coast. Why do they need to do it out west?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 08:07 PM

Now that tryouts are over, any big changes at T91MD, ML, BLC, and Hawks?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 01:11 PM

madlax 2023 Team is stacked.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 05:39 PM

They have a really good team. Players from 2023 and 2024 grad years - they are impressive
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Denver is a crap tournament. But feel free to claim it's a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

stunad.


13U world championship.

Mad lax had their chance to go, but that was last year, with the ‘23’s. Mad lax actually did go to Denver last year, but not for the WSYL. Went one of the easiest tourneys of the summer. Heard they didn’t even win it. Not one decent team there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 07:29 PM

Any kid that chooses to play up has my respect. Doesn't happen much these days.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/15/18 02:53 PM

Im from NY and happen to know several parents and kids in the BLC / Madlax universe. Hate to say this, but every single one of them have said the same thing, the kid is a legit 2024.

There has to be a best player in every age group. Regardless of whether that kid plays up or down, there is a best player for every age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/15/18 05:54 PM

Thats because the other kids are all catching up. Good lacrosse player . Blends right in now. Does not stand out anymore then the next kid. That’s why Mad-lax is on the decline
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/15/18 08:57 PM

Im from NY and happen to know several parents and kids in the BLC / Madlax universe. Hate to say this, but every single one of them have said the same thing, the kid is a legit 2024.

There has to be a best player in every age group. Regardless of whether a kid plays up or down, there is a best player for every age. [/quote]

Nice try Madlax guy, but you didn’t fool anyone with your lame impersonating as a Long Islander. The DC stench gives you away every time!


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/15/18 09:48 PM

Size and skill separate a player tremendously when in grades 3-7th but once other players start to get better skills and others mature, the playing field starts to level out more. All players on Mad-lax are good players
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/17/18 04:03 AM

If you want to know the top teams, or the top players, just look to see who is criticized the most. Jealousy brings out the worst in people.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/19/18 03:49 PM

But this one dad is a terrible reflection on the rest of the team. Let's keep it classy and quit singling out kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/19/18 06:11 PM

his coaches didn't kick him to the curb. U r 2 funny... maybe my sons team will finally beat ml. Cm has 2 kids on the 24 team. he will make sure they r competitive. I heard something about grabbing fogo from crabs. Could be wrong about it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/19/18 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Im from NY and happen to know several parents and kids in the BLC / Madlax universe. Hate to say this, but every single one of them have said the same thing, the kid is a legit 2024.

There has to be a best player in every age group. Regardless of whether a kid plays up or down, there is a best player for every age.


Nice try Madlax guy, but you didn’t fool anyone with your lame impersonating as a Long Islander. The DC stench gives you away every time!


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Didnt say I was from Long Island. Said I was from NY. Its a pretty big state. He's a legit 2024
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/21/18 09:36 PM

So how come the mighty Madlax barely beat Looneys 6-4?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So how come the mighty Madlax barely beat Looneys 6-4?



It’s a novel concept...called fall ball.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 09:05 PM

Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So how come the mighty Madlax barely beat Looneys 6-4?



It’s a novel concept...called fall ball.


It’s called, they got VERY lucky they didn’t get smoked. Plain and simple. They looked awful. No biggie midi. No Madlax. Have fun in the B tourneys!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.



Ditto...I was just about to say the same thing about 91. NXT has great tournaments but their Nightfall was a weak line-up. A teams at best, some B level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Hasn’t ML lost their last four in a row to Md91? Not sure what running the table “agaIn” means. Also not sure how Hawks 2024 is a projected powerhouse. BLC on the other hand is legit and getting better and better. Regardless they are all good teams and we will see in the spring!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 09:06 PM

Word from this weekend's events is that there are 10 teams competing in the 2024 "Elite" Divison this year, I think it waters down the league. What are the qualifications to compete at this level - that the program wants to so they can say they have an elite team? With FCA, Next Level, Breakers and Rough Riders joining the elite ranks it shows that any team can enter? These teams are solid A team but get smoked when they play the low-level Elite teams like Loonies and Crabs. I would even question Crabs this year as deserving to play in the Elite level. To be in the league you have to be able to hang, compete and beat some of the other top teams - 91, BLC, Hawks, Madlax. And will everyone play everyone else, it's a 7 game schedule so who gets to play all the newbies and pump up their records? The season should be extended to a 10 game season with a playoff for the top 5. Otherwise, these teams will end up succeeding or getting falsely pumped up depending on who they draw.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Hasn’t ML lost their last four in a row to Md91? Not sure what running the table “agaIn” means. Also not sure how Hawks 2024 is a projected powerhouse. BLC on the other hand is legit and getting better and better. Regardless they are all good teams and we will see in the spring!

Right, and the last time the Hawks and 91 MD played it was 10-0(91MD). It will be a great spring, if they dont water down AA with A teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.


I actually know the new middie. Not a holdback--parents are tall and were also athletes
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.


Every top team in the DMV has Private school kids correct! Then by rule every top team has older kids on the team! You can not have a large number of private school kids and not have older kids. This is a fact.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.


I actually know the new middie. Not a holdback--parents are tall and were also athletes


Who cares.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.


Every top team in the DMV has Private school kids correct! Then by rule every top team has older kids on the team! You can not have a large number of private school kids and not have older kids. This is a fact.


I know lots of private school kids that didn't repeat 7th grade. Maybe it is common in Bmore but it is not common in DMV.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/27/18 04:21 PM

wrong...its beyond common in DMV
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.


I actually know the new middie. Not a holdback--parents are tall and were also athletes



He is 100% a holdback. Huge kid. Madlax has reloaded with new kids and will be the #1 team nationally. Again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/01/18 01:01 PM

Madlax added another player Other than that the team really hasn't changed. Owner still doesn't play the best kids at attack (my personal opinion). So Madlax has a lot of the same weaknesses that it had last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 02:13 AM

Madlax will be the team to beat this year. Next year forget it. To many 2023 will be heldback and become 2024's. Everyone enjoy the older holdbacks this year, as next year all top teams will have them. It is the new norm.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.


I actually know the new middie. Not a holdback--parents are tall and were also athletes



He is 100% a holdback. Huge kid. Madlax has reloaded with new kids and will be the #1 team nationally. Again.


Saw his parents at Battle on the Bay. They were pretty big themselves. But I have to say, his muscular development and movement makes it look like he is a year or two older than the other kids. Regardless, that advantage doesn't last. Next year the rest of the kids will catch up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.


I actually know the new middie. Not a holdback--parents are tall and were also athletes



He is 100% a holdback. Huge kid. Madlax has reloaded with new kids and will be the #1 team nationally. Again.


Saw his parents at Battle on the Bay. They were pretty big themselves. But I have to say, his muscular development and movement makes it look like he is a year or two older than the other kids. Regardless, that advantage doesn't last. Next year the rest of the kids will catch up.


This is not true the magic you guys keep hoping for, The catching up will not happen. The reclass kid no matter which one will still be a year to two years older this is not how math works people. Your kid might hit his growth spurt but the hold back kid will have the advantage of playing with his size for a full year or two. Your son will just be learning his new 3 inches of height and how to move. They will just all look the same size but this is only if the hold back has stopped growing. But most boys grow for 18 years not 11 or 12. Just ask your self this what does a 19 year old and and 15 year old look like???? Or a 17 and a 19 year old?? The advantage never goes away. You can maybe argue it does in college.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.


I actually know the new middie. Not a holdback--parents are tall and were also athletes



He is 100% a holdback. Huge kid. Madlax has reloaded with new kids and will be the #1 team nationally. Again.


Saw his parents at Battle on the Bay. They were pretty big themselves. But I have to say, his muscular development and movement makes it look like he is a year or two older than the other kids. Regardless, that advantage doesn't last. Next year the rest of the kids will catch up.


This is not true the magic you guys keep hoping for, The catching up will not happen. The reclass kid no matter which one will still be a year to two years older this is not how math works people. Your kid might hit his growth spurt but the hold back kid will have the advantage of playing with his size for a full year or two. Your son will just be learning his new 3 inches of height and how to move. They will just all look the same size but this is only if the hold back has stopped growing. But most boys grow for 18 years not 11 or 12. Just ask your self this what does a 19 year old and and 15 year old look like???? Or a 17 and a 19 year old?? The advantage never goes away. You can maybe argue it does in college.


Next year things even out because it will be 8th grade and he'll have to deal with the kids who reclassify.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 05:20 PM

This will not even things out I have lived this twice. There will just be more big older kids beating on your on age son. If they do not kick your son down to a B level club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax will be just fine, they'll run the table again. They still have their star attackman and they picked up a new man-child at middie. The kids got to be 6 feet tall and 160lbs. Runs well and really can't be stopped when he's running downhill. Question is why did 91play a bunch of teams this weekend that are barely A caliber teams after shooting off their mouths about only playing the best of the best. Hawks and BLC have to be the favorites for the Spring.


Let me translate. Man-child = cheater. Repeating 7th grade. 1-2 years older than the other kids. Instead of developing stick skills, using size as an unfair advantage. Not surprising for an organization like Madlax. Coach has to recruit older kids rather than developing the kids he has.


I actually know the new middie. Not a holdback--parents are tall and were also athletes



He is 100% a holdback. Huge kid. Madlax has reloaded with new kids and will be the #1 team nationally. Again.


Saw his parents at Battle on the Bay. They were pretty big themselves. But I have to say, his muscular development and movement makes it look like he is a year or two older than the other kids. Regardless, that advantage doesn't last. Next year the rest of the kids will catch up.


This is not true the magic you guys keep hoping for, The catching up will not happen. The reclass kid no matter which one will still be a year to two years older this is not how math works people. Your kid might hit his growth spurt but the hold back kid will have the advantage of playing with his size for a full year or two. Your son will just be learning his new 3 inches of height and how to move. They will just all look the same size but this is only if the hold back has stopped growing. But most boys grow for 18 years not 11 or 12. Just ask your self this what does a 19 year old and and 15 year old look like???? Or a 17 and a 19 year old?? The advantage never goes away. You can maybe argue it does in college.



So what you're preaching is, Madlax has the cheating game down better than anyone, and they are the best team at this grade level, as a result. And you obviously take great pride in the organizations prowess at playing this game.

Sir, you and your like-minded friends, who are void of all moral character, are exactly what's wrong with travel lacrosse and the world at large. Dishonesty, cheating, stealing and worse.

Enjoy your short term gains, but from my experience, what goes around comes around. In the end, you and your moral-less brethren, will get what's coming to you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/03/18 04:58 AM

The new huge kid on Madlax 24 played for DC Dogs 24 last year. Total holdback.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 03:36 PM

You mean the new kid on Madlax 24 played for DC Dogs 23 last year. Total holdback. The kid wasn't playing up when he was on DC Dogs. Wasn't getting playing time. Couldn't cut it. So he dropped down to run over younger kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 07:59 PM

All this speculation on the size of kids and holdbacks is mind-numbingly notIntelligent and beyond tired. Have you seen VLC 2024? They have a ton of huge kids that could pass for 8th and 9th graders but you don't hear them get called out. Why? Because they are not winning at the Elite level. All this whining is more about taking cheap shots at the best teams than anything else. No one cares except for a couple loud but persistent posters. Some kids get bigger faster and it winds up being unfair to the smaller kids, deal with it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 09:35 PM

This is not about speculation or a kid merely being bigger than other kids his own age. It is a fact that the kid repeated 7th grade. The kid is 1 to 2 years older than the other kids playing 2024. There is no reason that he couldn't have continued to play 2023. By dropping down, he gains an unfair advantage and puts other kids at risk of injury. He is a perfect example of what is wrong with club lacrosse and programs like Madlax. Some programs develop kids' skill sets in order to compete. Other programs like Madlax have to cheat.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is not about speculation or a kid merely being bigger than other kids his own age. It is a fact that the kid repeated 7th grade. The kid is 1 to 2 years older than the other kids playing 2024. There is no reason that he couldn't have continued to play 2023. By dropping down, he gains an unfair advantage and puts other kids at risk of injury. He is a perfect example of what is wrong with club lacrosse and programs like Madlax. Some programs develop kids' skill sets in order to compete. Other programs like Madlax have to cheat.


If I was a parent of an on age kid that is now losing playing time, I would be livid. Check out the roster. 32 kids. Each kid paying $795. Some of these kids are probably playing 4-5 mins. a game. What a ripoff.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 12:51 AM

And if the kid goes on to play at a good high school and then gets admitted to a better university because of the holdback, then the parents will smile. The colleges drive this, not the clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 02:22 AM

Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


Think about it. If a child can’t compete successfully against kids his own age, to the extent that he has to play with kids a year younger than him, he is not a good player. Obviously. The good player is the kid that can compete successfully against kids his age as well as kids a year older. Dah!

But it may help line the pockets of the club that he is playing with. No down side for them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


I’m new to this. Is the cost of 795.00, per season? Is a “season” fall, winter, spring and summer? So the annual cost is 795.00 X 4 = 3200.00?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


$795 dues for a season? What club is that? Rec based? Clubs are near $2000.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 02:28 PM

I actually know the new middie. Not a holdback--parents are tall and were also athletes[/quote]


He is 100% a holdback. Huge kid. Madlax has reloaded with new kids and will be the #1 team nationally. Again.[/quote]

Saw his parents at Battle on the Bay. They were pretty big themselves. But I have to say, his muscular development and movement makes it look like he is a year or two older than the other kids. Regardless, that advantage doesn't last. Next year the rest of the kids will catch up.[/quote]

Would you Inspectors Gadget next analyze the Zunruder film next?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


Think about it. If a child can’t compete successfully against kids his own age, to the extent that he has to play with kids a year younger than him, he is not a good player. Obviously. The good player is the kid that can compete successfully against kids his age as well as kids a year older. Dah!

But it may help line the pockets of the club that he is playing with. No down side for them.


This is just not true check the ages of the AA under armor team the leaked a year or two ago guessing 85% of those kids where 12 to 16 months older then what we in VA would call on age. The elite kids are from private schools overall and those kids are older. Private schools want boys to start at age 6 not 5 or even 4 like public school boys. This is a fact not a secret. Then throw in the ability to afford a extra year of private school in 8th grade they end up on top. Do all reclass kids end up at the top of the class no, but are 80% of the top kids of each class older yes this is a fact has been true for at least 6 years and will not stop anytime soon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


$795 dues for a season? What club is that? Rec based? Clubs are near $2000.

Madlax parent must be bitter reading $795 a season. Most are $1800 to $2100 some closer to 3K if you play box with the club, add a winter clinic, national team, or team camp and any training you are in for 4k a year easy before cost of travel for a family to go see them play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 03:58 PM

No club is only $795 a season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 05:31 PM

That is the Madlax fall season cost. But you have to add in the $100 monthly charge so it comes to closer to 1100 for this time span. Let see if this can be done put your club name and the cost for everything minus hotel stays for your sons club. This information will make everyone feel good or really make some people really mad so that should be fun for this site.
Madlax
Monthly is $100 a month so $1200
Fall $795 2 or 3 tournaments
Summer $1800 4 tournaments
Spring $1200 I think Spring league HOCO, Playdays
Total = $ 4995
I could be off a little
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 05:33 PM

Madlax is only $750 for spring I was a little off. All the cost are on the website clear for you to read.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 06:01 PM

I think for MadLax 2024 it is more like:

Fall $795
Winter $745
Spring $750
Summer $1250
Nationals $1000
Academy Dues $1000

The $5,540 doesn't include the clinics and other hidden charges. For older kids it is even more.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think for MadLax 2024 it is more like:

Fall $795
Winter $745
Spring $750
Summer $1250
Nationals $1000
Academy Dues $1000

The $5,540 doesn't include the clinics and other hidden charges. For older kids it is even more.

No its not a lot higher for older kids.
Winter is Madlax but not Madlax its a stand alone Box travel team North Stars. And box league is like $300
Nationals is a over the top thing that you do not have to do and would cost the same no matter the club.
The funny thing is I do not see the other clubs breaking down the fees and what you get? Can anyone try and answer that? If Madlax is the big rip off the haters claim lets see the other clubs fees and what the fee gets you?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think for MadLax 2024 it is more like:

Fall $795
Winter $745
Spring $750
Summer $1250
Nationals $1000
Academy Dues $1000

The $5,540 doesn't include the clinics and other hidden charges. For older kids it is even more.

Hawks just under 2k Crabs just over 2k
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think for MadLax 2024 it is more like:

Fall $795
Winter $745
Spring $750
Summer $1250
Nationals $1000
Academy Dues $1000

The $5,540 doesn't include the clinics and other hidden charges. For older kids it is even more.

No its not a lot higher for older kids.
Winter is Madlax but not Madlax its a stand alone Box travel team North Stars. And box league is like $300
Nationals is a over the top thing that you do not have to do and would cost the same no matter the club.
The funny thing is I do not see the other clubs breaking down the fees and what you get? Can anyone try and answer that? If Madlax is the big rip off the haters claim lets see the other clubs fees and what the fee gets you?


Yes, it is a lot more for older kids. For starters, summer is $1600. So many hidden charges. Every time you pay there is a processing fee. Then you have to buy the mandatory helmet with the mandatory helmet wrap. The list goes on and on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think for MadLax 2024 it is more like:

Fall $795
Winter $745
Spring $750
Summer $1250
Nationals $1000
Academy Dues $1000

The $5,540 doesn't include the clinics and other hidden charges. For older kids it is even more.

Hawks just under 2k Crabs just over 2k


I bet Hawks and Crabs don't have 30+ rosters either. To add insult to injury, most of the ML coaches are daddy coaches that are sure to start their own kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is only $750 for spring I was a little off. All the cost are on the website clear for you to read.


So every season is a separate payment. Do the boys have to tryout for each separate season, or is that only once per year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 07:30 PM

Here’s a new question, related to the extraordinary cost that we all pay. Do you find that clubs raise the price every year, or does it stay pretty much the same, from year to year? My experience is, once the club stinks you in, the price goes up every single year. Not talking small percentages either. Try 20%-25%, give or take, every year. Is this practice status quo?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


Think about it. If a child can’t compete successfully against kids his own age, to the extent that he has to play with kids a year younger than him, he is not a good player. Obviously. The good player is the kid that can compete successfully against kids his age as well as kids a year older. Dah!

But it may help line the pockets of the club that he is playing with. No down side for them.


This is just not true check the ages of the AA under armor team the leaked a year or two ago guessing 85% of those kids where 12 to 16 months older then what we in VA would call on age. The elite kids are from private schools overall and those kids are older. Private schools want boys to start at age 6 not 5 or even 4 like public school boys. This is a fact not a secret. Then throw in the ability to afford a extra year of private school in 8th grade they end up on top. Do all reclass kids end up at the top of the class no, but are 80% of the top kids of each class older yes this is a fact has been true for at least 6 years and will not stop anytime soon.


You like stats. Here are all the stats you need. If your kid isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age, then this sport is not for him, no matter how many times you want to hold him back. He ain’t good! The on-age kids excelling against on-age kids and older, are today and tomorrow’s big time players. Regurgitate all the stats you want, but you may want to just try some common sense!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is only $750 for spring I was a little off. All the cost are on the website clear for you to read.


So every season is a separate payment. Do the boys have to tryout for each separate season, or is that only once per year?

I am not sure most of these clubs even have what I would call tryouts anymore. They have a few practices in August that they sometimes charge money for. Usually it is a practice with the kids already on the team. After they list the roster they try to add a few more kids in late september who left another club. If you on Madlax you will make a team and find out later which team. They may call them tryouts but they are not what they appear to be.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


Think about it. If a child can’t compete successfully against kids his own age, to the extent that he has to play with kids a year younger than him, he is not a good player. Obviously. The good player is the kid that can compete successfully against kids his age as well as kids a year older. Dah!

But it may help line the pockets of the club that he is playing with. No down side for them.


This is just not true check the ages of the AA under armor team the leaked a year or two ago guessing 85% of those kids where 12 to 16 months older then what we in VA would call on age. The elite kids are from private schools overall and those kids are older. Private schools want boys to start at age 6 not 5 or even 4 like public school boys. This is a fact not a secret. Then throw in the ability to afford a extra year of private school in 8th grade they end up on top. Do all reclass kids end up at the top of the class no, but are 80% of the top kids of each class older yes this is a fact has been true for at least 6 years and will not stop anytime soon.


You like stats. Here are all the stats you need. If your kid isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age, then this sport is not for him, no matter how many times you want to hold him back. He ain’t good! The on-age kids excelling against on-age kids and older, are today and tomorrow’s big time players. Regurgitate all the stats you want, but you may want to just try some common sense!



Look for the speedy on-age kids running circles around the other kids. Lacrosse is all about speed. If your kid can't run a sub-5.0 40, you can give up the D1 dream now. Holding back a kid might give them a temporary size advantage, but it is not going to make them faster.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


Think about it. If a child can’t compete successfully against kids his own age, to the extent that he has to play with kids a year younger than him, he is not a good player. Obviously. The good player is the kid that can compete successfully against kids his age as well as kids a year older. Dah!

But it may help line the pockets of the club that he is playing with. No down side for them.


This is just not true check the ages of the AA under armor team the leaked a year or two ago guessing 85% of those kids where 12 to 16 months older then what we in VA would call on age. The elite kids are from private schools overall and those kids are older. Private schools want boys to start at age 6 not 5 or even 4 like public school boys. This is a fact not a secret. Then throw in the ability to afford a extra year of private school in 8th grade they end up on top. Do all reclass kids end up at the top of the class no, but are 80% of the top kids of each class older yes this is a fact has been true for at least 6 years and will not stop anytime soon.


You like stats. Here are all the stats you need. If your kid isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age, then this sport is not for him, no matter how many times you want to hold him back. He ain’t good! The on-age kids excelling against on-age kids and older, are today and tomorrow’s big time players. Regurgitate all the stats you want, but you may want to just try some common sense!



Look for the speedy on-age kids running circles around the other kids. Lacrosse is all about speed. If your kid can't run a sub-5.0 40, you can give up the D1 dream now. Holding back a kid might give them a temporary size advantage, but it is not going to make them faster.

Stop already with quoting the football stats. You sound like a dad who has never played this game. It is the fastest game on two feet but quickness and lax IQ are not measured with a 40 time. Coaches watch games and know if they can play or not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 02:27 PM

You are correct if you are on age and playing well you are in a great spot. But you can not argue with the fact that the top kids going to the top schools are private school kids who are 12 months to 18 months older then a "on age" kid. Its like saying you do not have to be really tall to play in the NBA look at Spud Webb!
So I do not need stats to say a older player is getting D1 roster spots over on age kids more times then not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are correct if you are on age and playing well you are in a great spot. But you can not argue with the fact that the top kids going to the top schools are private school kids who are 12 months to 18 months older then a "on age" kid. Its like saying you do not have to be really tall to play in the NBA look at Spud Webb!
So I do not need stats to say a older player is getting D1 roster spots over on age kids more times then not.


In other words, you just realized that you humiliated your kid by putting him back a year in school and wasted a year of his life, all because he’s not a great 7th grade lacrosse player. Way to go Dad! I’m sure he’ll thank you in a few years, when he’s riding the pines, after walking on to that horrible D3 lax team somewhere in the Deep Deep South.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are correct if you are on age and playing well you are in a great spot. But you can not argue with the fact that the top kids going to the top schools are private school kids who are 12 months to 18 months older then a "on age" kid. Its like saying you do not have to be really tall to play in the NBA look at Spud Webb!
So I do not need stats to say a older player is getting D1 roster spots over on age kids more times then not.


In other words, you just realized that you humiliated your kid by putting him back a year in school and wasted a year of his life, all because he’s not a great 7th grade lacrosse player. Way to go Dad! I’m sure he’ll thank you in a few years, when he’s riding the pines, after walking on to that horrible D3 lax team somewhere in the Deep Deep South.

That is not a all the truth if my son is good to really good with on age players and I hold him back a year in one of the three ways it can be done the math proves he is way more likely to get a top D1 roster spot. I did not hold my son back I do not have the money to pull this off. But he is 17 years old now and going to play College lacrosse next year. But I promise you if we had held him back he would be at the top of the D1 list of names. If he is on the bottom of the D1 schools list now " we have a roster spot for him but we are out of Athletic aid." Then its not hard to see if we had held him back one year. He would be getting D1 money? I am still not going to hold my younger son back but I do feel a need to post on here to inform people that the hold back advantage never goes away that kid has a huge advantage. It only goes away maybe 2nd or 3rd year of college.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are correct if you are on age and playing well you are in a great spot. But you can not argue with the fact that the top kids going to the top schools are private school kids who are 12 months to 18 months older then a "on age" kid. Its like saying you do not have to be really tall to play in the NBA look at Spud Webb!
So I do not need stats to say a older player is getting D1 roster spots over on age kids more times then not.


In other words, you just realized that you humiliated your kid by putting him back a year in school and wasted a year of his life, all because he’s not a great 7th grade lacrosse player. Way to go Dad! I’m sure he’ll thank you in a few years, when he’s riding the pines, after walking on to that horrible D3 lax team somewhere in the Deep Deep South.

That is not a all the truth if my son is good to really good with on age players and I hold him back a year in one of the three ways it can be done the math proves he is way more likely to get a top D1 roster spot. I did not hold my son back I do not have the money to pull this off. But he is 17 years old now and going to play College lacrosse next year. But I promise you if we had held him back he would be at the top of the D1 list of names. If he is on the bottom of the D1 schools list now " we have a roster spot for him but we are out of Athletic aid." Then its not hard to see if we had held him back one year. He would be getting D1 money? I am still not going to hold my younger son back but I do feel a need to post on here to inform people that the hold back advantage never goes away that kid has a huge advantage. It only goes away maybe 2nd or 3rd year of college.


PG Year seems better than holding back in 7th grade. Compete against older kids and then when you're more mature pick up that extra year to become more appealing to a college coach. Of course any review of the financials and impact this and the holdback approach will clearly show that the only ROI is based on appeasing the ego of the parents. The scholarship money is a pittance while the long term earning power does not justify the means. I have no issue with my son playing against holdbacks. HAve never understood the parents that enjoy playing against younger kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 10:38 PM

As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/09/18 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.


Take this drama to the Hold back Forum.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 09:56 PM

Madlax won NAL, beat all the LI teams and not a word here?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 10:37 PM

Hoco rankings for next season
91
Madlax
Hawks
Looneys
Crabs
BLC
Breakers
NL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hoco rankings for next season
91
Madlax
Hawks
Looneys
Crabs
BLC
Breakers
NL


91 and Madlax will be the class of the field. Big drop off to everyone else. Madlax has changed a lot since last year. Last year the main scoring threats were 24 and 19. 24 left to play 2023 but Madlax added some obvious holdbacks that are even bigger.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 10:58 PM

The latest Nissan World Series of Youth Lacrosse/Inside Lacrosse 13U World Rankings were assembled based on input from a broad selection of regional youth lacrosse experts throughout the United States and Canada. All teams included in this ranking meet the WSYL’s age and roster rules, which require that all players must be born after 8/31/2005, live within 100 miles of their team’s home field and regularly play within that program.

All U.S. based teams in this ranking will participate in one of six Regional Qualifiers in the spring of 2019. Top teams from each U.S. Regional Qualifier will advance to the Championship Series in Denver, Colorado on July 1-4, 2019, where they will compete against the best U.S. and international teams for an unforgettable week of lacrosse. The WSYL Championship Game will be played at Broncos Stadium at Mile High and broadcast live on ESPN2 on July 4, 2019.

The Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings will be updated following completion of the U.S. Regional Qualifiers next Spring and again after the WSYL Championship Game next July. To find out if your team is eligible to be considered for the Nissan WSYL/IL World Ranking and to participate in the upcoming Regional Qualifiers, please visit www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com or email info@wsylax.com to nominate your team.

Watch List

2WAY (Conn.), 3d Colorado, Aces OC (Calif.), API Diamondbacks (Md.), BayHawks (Calif.), Colorado Scorpions, Express North (Conn.), Kings (Colo.), Long Island Outlaws (N.Y.), OneMore Lax (N.J.) Predators (N.Y.), Rhode Island Bulldogs, Stealth (Fla.), SoCal Express (Calif.), Team Israel, Team Orlando (Fla.), True Blue (N.Y.)

Top 20

20. Carolina Miners (N.C.)
19. Baltimore Breakers (Md.)
18. True Minnesota (Minn.)
17. Northern Pacific Lacrosse (Wash./Ore.)
16. Cavalier (Va.)
15. ADVNC (Calif.)
14. Shore 2 Shore (N.Y.)
13. Tri-State (N.J.)
12. Denver Elite (Colo.)
11. Igloo (N.Y.)
10. True Illinois (Ill.)
9. BBL Elite (N.J.)
8. Prime Time (N.Y.)
7. Evolve Elite (Ont.)
6. Eclipse (Conn.)
5. Mad Dog West (Calif.)
4. Brotherly Love (Pa.)
3. LI Express (N.Y.)
2. Team 91 Long Island (N.Y.)
1. Legacy (N.Y.)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The latest Nissan World Series of Youth Lacrosse/Inside Lacrosse 13U World Rankings were assembled based on input from a broad selection of regional youth lacrosse experts throughout the United States and Canada. All teams included in this ranking meet the WSYL’s age and roster rules, which require that all players must be born after 8/31/2005, live within 100 miles of their team’s home field and regularly play within that program.

All U.S. based teams in this ranking will participate in one of six Regional Qualifiers in the spring of 2019. Top teams from each U.S. Regional Qualifier will advance to the Championship Series in Denver, Colorado on July 1-4, 2019, where they will compete against the best U.S. and international teams for an unforgettable week of lacrosse. The WSYL Championship Game will be played at Broncos Stadium at Mile High and broadcast live on ESPN2 on July 4, 2019.

The Nissan WSYL/IL 13U World Rankings will be updated following completion of the U.S. Regional Qualifiers next Spring and again after the WSYL Championship Game next July. To find out if your team is eligible to be considered for the Nissan WSYL/IL World Ranking and to participate in the upcoming Regional Qualifiers, please visit www.worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com or email info@wsylax.com to nominate your team.

Watch List

2WAY (Conn.), 3d Colorado, Aces OC (Calif.), API Diamondbacks (Md.), BayHawks (Calif.), Colorado Scorpions, Express North (Conn.), Kings (Colo.), Long Island Outlaws (N.Y.), OneMore Lax (N.J.) Predators (N.Y.), Rhode Island Bulldogs, Stealth (Fla.), SoCal Express (Calif.), Team Israel, Team Orlando (Fla.), True Blue (N.Y.)

Top 20

20. Carolina Miners (N.C.)
19. Baltimore Breakers (Md.)
18. True Minnesota (Minn.)
17. Northern Pacific Lacrosse (Wash./Ore.)
16. Cavalier (Va.)
15. ADVNC (Calif.)
14. Shore 2 Shore (N.Y.)
13. Tri-State (N.J.)
12. Denver Elite (Colo.)
11. Igloo (N.Y.)
10. True Illinois (Ill.)
9. BBL Elite (N.J.)
8. Prime Time (N.Y.)
7. Evolve Elite (Ont.)
6. Eclipse (Conn.)
5. Mad Dog West (Calif.)
4. Brotherly Love (Pa.)
3. LI Express (N.Y.)
2. Team 91 Long Island (N.Y.)
1. Legacy (N.Y.)



TOP 20 13U teams in the world!

Curious... why didn't Madlax and the rest of the 14U teams, playing under the 2024 disguise, enter the WSYL last year?? Oh yeah, they would have gotten crushed, if they ever played on-age. That aint NEVER going to happen! Sorry. Forgot. My bad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 04:19 AM

Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.


They are a 13U 2024 team. Give them credit for playing up, with the 14U 2024 teams in the HOCO AA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax won NAL, beat all the LI teams and not a word here?



Cheaters. lost coach. Classless group....parents for the most part included. Gloating watching a 14+ year old running rampant on a bunch of 12 year olds. Comical. Not even a high school hero....a middle school hero!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.



Wrong. My LI team has three kids that don't qualify due to age. They are not part of qualifying or playing obviously. Too bad as two are summer birthdays and just miss out. And yes, we are part of that top 3.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.

there should be no rankings at all. Its 7th grade lacrosse . Rankings matter in High school. That's it, and all the rankings matter to the schools and clubs..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.



Absolutely the ALL-TIMEall dumbest post on this site. Ever! Everyone of those clubs are nationally known, primary clubs that have been playing together for five or more years. Stay off the site, imbecile!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.

there should be no rankings at all. Its 7th grade lacrosse . Rankings matter in High school. That's it, and all the rankings matter to the schools and clubs..


Why would rankings only matter in HS and not in MS? That makes no sense. Obviously that comment comes from a parent with a kid that’s not ranked. Rankings definitely matter to the great majority of people. Players like to know how they stack up against the competition. It’s a source of motivation. High achievers like benchmarks as a validation that the time and effort they are putting in to reach their goals, is working. It’s a recognition/reward for high achievement. Rankings definitely matter. That’s why they are done. If nobody cared, there would be no rankings. The people that aren’t in the rankings won’t like them, but I guarantee that these are the people that look at them the most.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.

there should be no rankings at all. Its 7th grade lacrosse . Rankings matter in High school. That's it, and all the rankings matter to the schools and clubs..


In other words, your kids team didn’t make the Ranking. Thanks for clarifying. Better luck next time!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 06:20 PM

hoco rankings
91
Madlax
looneys
hawks
crabs
blc
next level
breakers
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.



Wrong. My LI team has three kids that don't qualify due to age. They are not part of qualifying or playing obviously. Too bad as two are summer birthdays and just miss out. And yes, we are part of that top 3.



Obviously you are an Express dad. You may want to call for a recount though. Quite sure the number is more than three.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax won NAL, beat all the LI teams and not a word here?



Cheaters. lost coach. Classless group....parents for the most part included. Gloating watching a 14+ year old running rampant on a bunch of 12 year olds. Comical. Not even a high school hero....a middle school hero!!!!


The kids on Madlax aren't shy about owning up to it either. They appear to be proud of the fact that their entire team is holdbacks. How many more did Madlax get this year??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 07:46 PM

My sons top HOCO team should have 3 players who would miss the cutoff. Sure they’d be competitive with the other teams as they are all year if they went a few boys down, and would certainly demolish most of the teams outside the top 3. Just choose not to go and spend an xtra 50% of our dues to go. I’m sure its an awesome experience for the kids. Who cares who goes or not?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
hoco rankings
91
Madlax
looneys
hawks
crabs
blc
next level
breakers


OK, Looney's dad don't get carried away. You all have never been better than BLC or the Hawks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My sons top HOCO team should have 3 players who would miss the cutoff. Sure they’d be competitive with the other teams as they are all year if they went a few boys down, and would certainly demolish most of the teams outside the top 3. Just choose not to go and spend an xtra 50% of our dues to go. I’m sure its an awesome experience for the kids. Who cares who goes or not?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time I checked, the organizations pick the tournaments, not the parents. In fact, there is no consultation with the parents at all, is there. In fact, it doesn't matter if parents want to go or not, now does it.

So you really don't "choose" not to go, right?

Truth is, you have more hold backs than you know, as they don't normally wear their birth certificate on their sleeve. If your team had any shot at all of being competitive, without all of your hold backs, your organization would have you in that thing in a heart beat, based solely on the exposure/business opportunity that it represents for the club. They don't care what it costs you. It is completely inconsequential to them.

Remember, I don't care what club your kid is on, every club, like every business is in business to make a profit. Winning that tourney or even just getting to the championship game makes for a very fat bottom line for the club, for years to come.

Make no mistake, "you" and the rest of the parents have no control whether your team goes or not. So, let's just start that post over again, shall we??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax won NAL, beat all the LI teams and not a word here?



Cheaters. lost coach. Classless group....parents for the most part included. Gloating watching a 14+ year old running rampant on a bunch of 12 year olds. Comical. Not even a high school hero....a middle school hero!!!!


The kids on Madlax aren't shy about owning up to it either. They appear to be proud of the fact that their entire team is holdbacks. How many more did Madlax get this year??



SEVEN new ones, this year, is the number.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 09:28 PM

What does everyone think of crabs 2024. Heard they are improving immensely. Lost tight games over the summer(lost in ot to blc tied express schawljie). They also recently lost by 1 to Brotherly love. They could be a surprise team this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 09:40 PM

It's a shame that the real on-age MD 2024's, aren't able to experience the WSYL. Actually, it goes way beyond the WSYL. What do these kids do? The ones that are too old to be '25 holdbacks and too young to be '23 hold backs. So, they can't be holdbacks. They are at a severe disadvantage, solely because of their birthday, in a crooked industry that exploits every loop hole for the all-might buck.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?

I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.

Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.

there should be no rankings at all. Its 7th grade lacrosse . Rankings matter in High school. That's it, and all the rankings matter to the schools and clubs..


Why would rankings only matter in HS and not in MS? That makes no sense. Obviously that comment comes from a parent with a kid that’s not ranked. Rankings definitely matter to the great majority of people. Players like to know how they stack up against the competition. It’s a source of motivation. High achievers like benchmarks as a validation that the time and effort they are putting in to reach their goals, is working. It’s a recognition/reward for high achievement. Rankings definitely matter. That’s why they are done. If nobody cared, there would be no rankings. The people that aren’t in the rankings won’t like them, but I guarantee that these are the people that look at them the most.


Agree 100% !! Its ridiculous that we cant rank 12 and 13 years olds! Only ones not wanting ranking are the parents without players on TOP TEAMS ! Have you player hit the wall ! Get on a Top Team !

Frankly, I would like to see ranking all the way down to First Grade. We need a metric to judge our boys and Clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?


I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.

there should be no rankings at all. Its 7th grade lacrosse . Rankings matter in High school. That's it, and all the rankings matter to the schools and clubs..


Why would rankings only matter in HS and not in MS? That makes no sense. Obviously that comment comes from a parent with a kid that’s not ranked. Rankings definitely matter to the great majority of people. Players like to know how they stack up against the competition. It’s a source of motivation. High achievers like benchmarks as a validation that the time and effort they are putting in to reach their goals, is working. It’s a recognition/reward for high achievement. Rankings definitely matter. That’s why they are done. If nobody cared, there would be no rankings. The people that aren’t in the rankings won’t like them, but I guarantee that these are the people that look at them the most.
middle school lacrosse is a joke. Come on!! You may be the only ne that thinks it’s competitive. Rankings are for the the clubs to draw kids. Simple as that .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 02:11 PM

[/quote]

Wrong. My LI team has three kids that don't qualify due to age. They are not part of qualifying or playing obviously. Too bad as two are summer birthdays and just miss out. And yes, we are part of that top 3.[/quote]

So you aren't adding anyone to replace them? I do believe a LI team is more likely to be a pure regular season team because of your later Kindergarten and the skill level, but they are definitely in the minority. I know the LI Express team last year had a couple of borrowed players, I don't think 91 did, not sure about S2S.

As someone who has gone, it's risky to go without the max 25 (23 field and 2 goalies) into a qualifier because if someone gets hurt or has financial issues or any number of other problems it could create a hole for you and if they didn't play in the qualifier, they can't play in Denver....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.



Absolutely the ALL-TIMEall dumbest post on this site. Ever! Everyone of those clubs are nationally known, primary clubs that have been playing together for five or more years. Stay off the site, imbecile! [/quote]

Clearly you need this spelled out.

1) How many of these nationally known clubs have kids that don't meet the age requirement. Probably 90%
2) How many kids per team do you think don't make the age requirement. Probably 3-5
3) How many kids/team don't go because parents don't want to spend $3K-$5K on a lacrosse tournament?

Clubs will get stud players at key positions from teams that aren't participating. Tri-state runs a separate tryout for their WSYL team, many of the teams from the west are teams consisting of 1 or 2 strong programs. Team Israel is a bunch of kids from all over the U.S. and Israel that will have never played together before Denver.

Trust me if you don't have an elite FO guy and very good goalie you won't fair well.....a smart club would borrow one if they don't have one.

My original point was, these rankings only matter for this tournament and really only matter after the tournament has been played. Its a fun marketing thing for the kids/teams participating to get excited for...nothing else.

Now I'd appreciate an apology, you have hurt my feelings and I am a snowflake.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.



Absolutely the ALL-TIMEall dumbest post on this site. Ever! Everyone of those clubs are nationally known, primary clubs that have been playing together for five or more years. Stay off the site, imbecile!


Clearly you need this spelled out.

1) How many of these nationally known clubs have kids that don't meet the age requirement. Probably 90%
2) How many kids per team do you think don't make the age requirement. Probably 3-5
3) How many kids/team don't go because parents don't want to spend $3K-$5K on a lacrosse tournament?

Clubs will get stud players at key positions from teams that aren't participating. Tri-state runs a separate tryout for their WSYL team, many of the teams from the west are teams consisting of 1 or 2 strong programs. Team Israel is a bunch of kids from all over the U.S. and Israel that will have never played together before Denver.

Trust me if you don't have an elite FO guy and very good goalie you won't fair well.....a smart club would borrow one if they don't have one.

My original point was, these rankings only matter for this tournament and really only matter after the tournament has been played. Its a fun marketing thing for the kids/teams participating to get excited for...nothing else.

Now I'd appreciate an apology, you have hurt my feelings and I am a snowflake.
[/quote]


I think what you are NOW trying to say (now that you have softened your stance, somewhat), in a very roundabout way, is all teams have guest players. Based on the rules of the tournament, that is supposedly not possible. I haven't experienced the tourney so I don't know how that is enforced, by the tourney committee. However, there are many inherent built in safe guards that prevent that from happening.

Many of these clubs know each other EXTREMELY well, especially the better teams. If there are guest players, everyone (coaches and parents) are going to know. Winning the championship is an extremely big prize for the club. Do you not think any coach/club would not blow the whistle immediately upon finding out about such a practice??? The penalty would be disqualification of the club. Is a club going to take that chance?? Can you imagine having all of your parents fly to Denver and then your club is disqualified because of shady behavior?? Such an outcome could easily destroy a team and possibly an entire organization.

Or, a disgruntled parent, due to their child being replaced by one of these guest players, spouts off and that eventually gets back to the committee? That could easily happen.

As a club, you have to consider these very real possibilities. Is the risk worth the reward? Is the risk too great?? Answer: It most definitely is!

And, not all teams have guest players. I'm not familiar with all of the clubs, obviously, but I'm very familiar with the Bandits team and they didn't have any guest players last year, and they won the whole thing.

And your 3-5 holdbacks isn't accurate either. This is obviously a mid-atlantic mind-set, where most of the better 2024 teams are 70%+ holdbacks. Express has three, so you are close there. But, Taz has one. WP has none. I'm sure there are others, just none from the mid-atlantic, obviously.

So your statement... "not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round" is 100% false! Every team that I am aware of, and that is quite a few, "is a team that plays as a primary club year round."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 05:20 PM

It's worth noting that the WYSL has no skin in the game and independently ranks Cavalier 2024 #16 in the nation and the best in the Mid Atlantic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.



Absolutely the ALL-TIMEall dumbest post on this site. Ever! Everyone of those clubs are nationally known, primary clubs that have been playing together for five or more years. Stay off the site, imbecile!


Clearly you need this spelled out.

1) How many of these nationally known clubs have kids that don't meet the age requirement. Probably 90%
2) How many kids per team do you think don't make the age requirement. Probably 3-5
3) How many kids/team don't go because parents don't want to spend $3K-$5K on a lacrosse tournament?

Clubs will get stud players at key positions from teams that aren't participating. Tri-state runs a separate tryout for their WSYL team, many of the teams from the west are teams consisting of 1 or 2 strong programs. Team Israel is a bunch of kids from all over the U.S. and Israel that will have never played together before Denver.

Trust me if you don't have an elite FO guy and very good goalie you won't fair well.....a smart club would borrow one if they don't have one.

My original point was, these rankings only matter for this tournament and really only matter after the tournament has been played. Its a fun marketing thing for the kids/teams participating to get excited for...nothing else.

Now I'd appreciate an apology, you have hurt my feelings and I am a snowflake.
[/quote] I agree with you . . A few of the top teams are already getting players on their team from other states.. ITS a joke. Building a team to just win the tournament should not be aloud. no kids from other states should be aloud to play on teams that do no reside in their own state. it is suppose to be teams in this tournament with local players. ITS not a National team tournament. . Once again a reason why lacrosse has its issues.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Let's be real, these rankings are a marketing hammerhead. The only real rankings that matter for this tournament are after the tourney has been played. I stress they only matter for this tournament as the tournament format doesn't lend itself to how the clubs are put together....anywhere.....not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round.



Absolutely the ALL-TIMEall dumbest post on this site. Ever! Everyone of those clubs are nationally known, primary clubs that have been playing together for five or more years. Stay off the site, imbecile!


Clearly you need this spelled out.

1) How many of these nationally known clubs have kids that don't meet the age requirement. Probably 90%
2) How many kids per team do you think don't make the age requirement. Probably 3-5
3) How many kids/team don't go because parents don't want to spend $3K-$5K on a lacrosse tournament?

Clubs will get stud players at key positions from teams that aren't participating. Tri-state runs a separate tryout for their WSYL team, many of the teams from the west are teams consisting of 1 or 2 strong programs. Team Israel is a bunch of kids from all over the U.S. and Israel that will have never played together before Denver.

Trust me if you don't have an elite FO guy and very good goalie you won't fair well.....a smart club would borrow one if they don't have one.

My original point was, these rankings only matter for this tournament and really only matter after the tournament has been played. Its a fun marketing thing for the kids/teams participating to get excited for...nothing else.

Now I'd appreciate an apology, you have hurt my feelings and I am a snowflake.



I think what you are NOW trying to say (now that you have softened your stance, somewhat), in a very roundabout way, is all teams have guest players. Based on the rules of the tournament, that is supposedly not possible. I haven't experienced the tourney so I don't know how that is enforced, by the tourney committee. However, there are many inherent built in safe guards that prevent that from happening.

Many of these clubs know each other EXTREMELY well, especially the better teams. If there are guest players, everyone (coaches and parents) are going to know. Winning the championship is an extremely big prize for the club. Do you not think any coach/club would not blow the whistle immediately upon finding out about such a practice??? The penalty would be disqualification of the club. Is a club going to take that chance?? Can you imagine having all of your parents fly to Denver and then your club is disqualified because of shady behavior?? Such an outcome could easily destroy a team and possibly an entire organization.

Or, a disgruntled parent, due to their child being replaced by one of these guest players, spouts off and that eventually gets back to the committee? That could easily happen.

As a club, you have to consider these very real possibilities. Is the risk worth the reward? Is the risk too great?? Answer: It most definitely is!

And, not all teams have guest players. I'm not familiar with all of the clubs, obviously, but I'm very familiar with the Bandits team and they didn't have any guest players last year, and they won the whole thing.

And your 3-5 holdbacks isn't accurate either. This is obviously a mid-atlantic mind-set, where most of the better 2024 teams are 70%+ holdbacks. Express has three, so you are close there. But, Taz has one. WP has none. I'm sure there are others, just none from the mid-atlantic, obviously.

So your statement... "not one of the teams in that tournament is a team that plays as a primary club year round" is 100% false! Every team that I am aware of, and that is quite a few, "is a team that plays as a primary club year round."



[/quote] you are wrong about that. already 2 teams pullings kids from all around.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 05:55 PM

Madlax could beat any of the teams on this list. They recently beat Legacy Taz and LI Lxpress
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 06:02 PM

Mad dog west. Ha
they are a joke
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 06:03 PM

Madlax would have made it far and possibly win. Madlax can beat all those long island teams. As for WSYL its just a money grab. Put together a team of kids for one tournament just to win the grand prize. Really! The event isn't even that good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 06:11 PM

Any news on crabs 2024. Heard they are really good. Any intel?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax would have made it far and possibly win. Madlax can beat all those long island teams. As for WSYL its just a money grab. Put together a team of kids for one tournament just to win the grand prize. Really! The event isn't even that good.


Spoken like a true 14U parent, in a 13U league. I can think of a lot of 2023 teams that would do well in the WSYL. Truth is, for a 2023 team, Madlax is NOT good at all. That’s why they have to play down to be competitive. Embarrassing, I would think.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax could beat any of the teams on this list. They recently beat Legacy Taz and LI Lxpress


That’s because Madlax is a team of 14 year olds playing a team of 12 year olds. The WSYL is a 13U tourney. Not 14U. Madlax’s Opportunity was last year with the ‘23’s. But they didn’t even try because they knew they wouldn’t get though the qualifier. Very lame to play down for all your games. Sorry, sleezey team. As sleezey an organization as it gets in this business.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 07:53 PM

I am a Philly guy, thus no horse in the race between this LI vs MD supremacy debate. However, my sons team is AA 2024 and we have played all of the Team 91 MD, BLC, and Madlax teams vs. the Team 91 LI , Legacy, and Express Teams and I can assure you there is no contest. The MD teams are stacked with obvious rec-classes and win by out-sizing their opponents. The LI brand of lacrosse is based on elite stick skills and IQ and is without a doubt superior and they are doing it with kids clearly younger than MD AA Teams.

This is isn't about size, we have some big boys on our team as well that are on age...a 14 year old vs a 12 year just simply moves differently on an athletic field.

Our team is on the list and going. I am not sure who is over age on our team, I think we have a total of three on the whole team that have summer birthdays; however, I believe our whole starting line up is ON age except for one middie and there are kids on age behind him that are as good if not better.

Madlax you aren't technically cheating, simply own up to it, if you are winning, it is because of all the re classing going on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a Philly guy, thus no horse in the race between this LI vs MD supremacy debate. However, my sons team is AA 2024 and we have played all of the Team 91 MD, BLC, and Madlax teams vs. the Team 91 LI , Legacy, and Express Teams and I can assure you there is no contest. The MD teams are stacked with obvious rec-classes and win by out-sizing their opponents. The LI brand of lacrosse is based on elite stick skills and IQ and is without a doubt superior and they are doing it with kids clearly younger than MD AA Teams.

This is isn't about size, we have some big boys on our team as well that are on age...a 14 year old vs a 12 year just simply moves differently on an athletic field.

Our team is on the list and going. I am not sure who is over age on our team, I think we have a total of three on the whole team that have summer birthdays; however, I believe our whole starting line up is ON age except for one middie and there are kids on age behind him that are as good if not better.

Madlax you aren't technically cheating, simply own up to it, if you are winning, it is because of all the re classing going on.


So you are staking the moral high ground because you have fewer holdbacks? I guess you aren't technically cheating with your 3 or more holdbacks either.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a Philly guy, thus no horse in the race between this LI vs MD supremacy debate. However, my sons team is AA 2024 and we have played all of the Team 91 MD, BLC, and Madlax teams vs. the Team 91 LI , Legacy, and Express Teams and I can assure you there is no contest. The MD teams are stacked with obvious rec-classes and win by out-sizing their opponents. The LI brand of lacrosse is based on elite stick skills and IQ and is without a doubt superior and they are doing it with kids clearly younger than MD AA Teams.

This is isn't about size, we have some big boys on our team as well that are on age...a 14 year old vs a 12 year just simply moves differently on an athletic field.

Our team is on the list and going. I am not sure who is over age on our team, I think we have a total of three on the whole team that have summer birthdays; however, I believe our whole starting line up is ON age except for one middie and there are kids on age behind him that are as good if not better.

Madlax you aren't technically cheating, simply own up to it, if you are winning, it is because of all the re classing going on.



Baltimore area and the private schools are KING of the prefirst/ reclass/holdbacks... Bar NONE !!! DC is trying , but they still dont have the numbers yet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 08:31 PM

There are plenty of holdbacks on Philly teams. Get over yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a Philly guy, thus no horse in the race between this LI vs MD supremacy debate. However, my sons team is AA 2024 and we have played all of the Team 91 MD, BLC, and Madlax teams vs. the Team 91 LI , Legacy, and Express Teams and I can assure you there is no contest. The MD teams are stacked with obvious rec-classes and win by out-sizing their opponents. The LI brand of lacrosse is based on elite stick skills and IQ and is without a doubt superior and they are doing it with kids clearly younger than MD AA Teams.

This is isn't about size, we have some big boys on our team as well that are on age...a 14 year old vs a 12 year just simply moves differently on an athletic field.

Our team is on the list and going. I am not sure who is over age on our team, I think we have a total of three on the whole team that have summer birthdays; however, I believe our whole starting line up is ON age except for one middie and there are kids on age behind him that are as good if not better.

Madlax you aren't technically cheating, simply own up to it, if you are winning, it is because of all the re classing going on.


So you are staking the moral high ground because you have fewer holdbacks? I guess you aren't technically cheating with your 3 or more holdbacks either.



Big difference between an occasion 05 birthday, and purposely going out of your way to stack your team with 14 year old holdbacks, to the extent of basically the entire Madlax team is not on age. You got seven more holdbacks, this year alone. I notice you don't deny it anymore. You can't because it's been verified so many times by Madlax parents and kids... our children get very chummy together and communicate through social media about this and other topics, on an ongoing basis. Kids are very honest. So there are no secrets anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a Philly guy, thus no horse in the race between this LI vs MD supremacy debate. However, my sons team is AA 2024 and we have played all of the Team 91 MD, BLC, and Madlax teams vs. the Team 91 LI , Legacy, and Express Teams and I can assure you there is no contest. The MD teams are stacked with obvious rec-classes and win by out-sizing their opponents. The LI brand of lacrosse is based on elite stick skills and IQ and is without a doubt superior and they are doing it with kids clearly younger than MD AA Teams.

This is isn't about size, we have some big boys on our team as well that are on age...a 14 year old vs a 12 year just simply moves differently on an athletic field.

Our team is on the list and going. I am not sure who is over age on our team, I think we have a total of three on the whole team that have summer birthdays; however, I believe our whole starting line up is ON age except for one middie and there are kids on age behind him that are as good if not better.

Madlax you aren't technically cheating, simply own up to it, if you are winning, it is because of all the re classing going on.


So you are staking the moral high ground because you have fewer holdbacks? I guess you aren't technically cheating with your 3 or more holdbacks either.

Love how some people feel like they can identify holdbacks just by looking at them. My son is average-sized and on age. Two of his classmates have been about the same size as my son since pre-school but have had huge growth spurts the last 18 months. Now, all of the sudden, they have to hear whispers of being holdbacks because they grew faster, even though they are on age. Not saying that there are not holdbacks and that there is not an advantage. Just saying that many of these larger boys are not holdbacks and the problem is not as extensive as some on this Board want you to believe.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax would have made it far and possibly win. Madlax can beat all those long island teams. As for WSYL its just a money grab. Put together a team of kids for one tournament just to win the grand prize. Really! The event isn't even that good.



You listen young man, you get off that phone right now and start on your homework! You think I'm joking, just try me! There will be no Fortnite tonight!

This is definitely a kid. Sounds way too intelligent to be a Madlax parent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/16/18 09:14 PM

I don't recall staking the moral high ground. I think you need to understand the difference dim witted one. There is a difference between a player that happens to have a summer birthday or did the whole Pre First thing resulting in a player that is perhaps 4-7 months older, which is our situation.

A reclass is a family that holds their kid back to distinguish themselves on the lacrosse field. I actually don't have issue with that either that is a personal family choice. Just simply pointing out that the MD Teams are pounding their chests with players that are clearly 12-18 months older than the LI kids, you are not alone, the NE Club Teams rival you in their number of holdbacks.

Don't get worked up over it we go out and do our best and don't complain, just simply stating fact.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/18/18 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax could beat any of the teams on this list. They recently beat Legacy Taz and LI Lxpress


That’s because Madlax is a team of 14 year olds playing a team of 12 year olds. The WSYL is a 13U tourney. Not 14U. Madlax’s Opportunity was last year with the ‘23’s. But they didn’t even try because they knew they wouldn’t get though the qualifier. Very lame to play down for all your games. Sorry, sleezey team. As sleezey an organization as it gets in this business.


Madlax had no chance of fielding a team within the rules. But Next Level was in the same predicament but only with fewer players who were too old. NL borrowed several ML players in order to field an eligible team. Those borrowed players went right back to ML this fall.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/18/18 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a Philly guy, thus no horse in the race between this LI vs MD supremacy debate. However, my sons team is AA 2024 and we have played all of the Team 91 MD, BLC, and Madlax teams vs. the Team 91 LI , Legacy, and Express Teams and I can assure you there is no contest. The MD teams are stacked with obvious rec-classes and win by out-sizing their opponents. The LI brand of lacrosse is based on elite stick skills and IQ and is without a doubt superior and they are doing it with kids clearly younger than MD AA Teams.

This is isn't about size, we have some big boys on our team as well that are on age...a 14 year old vs a 12 year just simply moves differently on an athletic field.

Our team is on the list and going. I am not sure who is over age on our team, I think we have a total of three on the whole team that have summer birthdays; however, I believe our whole starting line up is ON age except for one middie and there are kids on age behind him that are as good if not better.

Madlax you aren't technically cheating, simply own up to it, if you are winning, it is because of all the re classing going on.


So you are staking the moral high ground because you have fewer holdbacks? I guess you aren't technically cheating with your 3 or more holdbacks either.

Love how some people feel like they can identify holdbacks just by looking at them. My son is average-sized and on age. Two of his classmates have been about the same size as my son since pre-school but have had huge growth spurts the last 18 months. Now, all of the sudden, they have to hear whispers of being holdbacks because they grew faster, even though they are on age. Not saying that there are not holdbacks and that there is not an advantage. Just saying that many of these larger boys are not holdbacks and the problem is not as extensive as some on this Board want you to believe.


That is a direct result of a huge amount of players being heldback/reclassed/prefirst playing now. Years ago the main thing you said when you saw a giant kid playing on age lacrosse was...darn that kid is big for his age ! Now, with the holdback world, you always wonder if he is heldback or big, and Frankly most of time today it is a holdback.

Youth lacrosse should be age and High school should be grade. Common sense.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax could beat any of the teams on this list. They recently beat Legacy Taz and LI Lxpress


That’s because Madlax is a team of 14 year olds playing a team of 12 year olds. The WSYL is a 13U tourney. Not 14U. Madlax’s Opportunity was last year with the ‘23’s. But they didn’t even try because they knew they wouldn’t get though the qualifier. Very lame to play down for all your games. Sorry, sleezey team. As sleezey an organization as it gets in this business.


Madlax had no chance of fielding a team within the rules. But Next Level was in the same predicament but only with fewer players who were too old. NL borrowed several ML players in order to field an eligible team. Those borrowed players went right back to ML this fall.

Madlax has enough kids in the roster they could charter a flight. Can’t imagine bring 30 something kids paying the fee to watch the owner kid play
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a Philly guy, thus no horse in the race between this LI vs MD supremacy debate. However, my sons team is AA 2024 and we have played all of the Team 91 MD, BLC, and Madlax teams vs. the Team 91 LI , Legacy, and Express Teams and I can assure you there is no contest. The MD teams are stacked with obvious rec-classes and win by out-sizing their opponents. The LI brand of lacrosse is based on elite stick skills and IQ and is without a doubt superior and they are doing it with kids clearly younger than MD AA Teams.

This is isn't about size, we have some big boys on our team as well that are on age...a 14 year old vs a 12 year just simply moves differently on an athletic field.

Our team is on the list and going. I am not sure who is over age on our team, I think we have a total of three on the whole team that have summer birthdays; however, I believe our whole starting line up is ON age except for one middie and there are kids on age behind him that are as good if not better.

Madlax you aren't technically cheating, simply own up to it, if you are winning, it is because of all the re classing going on.


So you are staking the moral high ground because you have fewer holdbacks? I guess you aren't technically cheating with your 3 or more holdbacks either.

Love how some people feel like they can identify holdbacks just by looking at them. My son is average-sized and on age. Two of his classmates have been about the same size as my son since pre-school but have had huge growth spurts the last 18 months. Now, all of the sudden, they have to hear whispers of being holdbacks because they grew faster, even though they are on age. Not saying that there are not holdbacks and that there is not an advantage. Just saying that many of these larger boys are not holdbacks and the problem is not as extensive as some on this Board want you to believe.


That is a direct result of a huge amount of players being heldback/reclassed/prefirst playing now. Years ago the main thing you said when you saw a giant kid playing on age lacrosse was...darn that kid is big for his age ! Now, with the holdback world, you always wonder if he is heldback or big, and Frankly most of time today it is a holdback.

Youth lacrosse should be age and High school should be grade. Common sense.


and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a Philly guy, thus no horse in the race between this LI vs MD supremacy debate. However, my sons team is AA 2024 and we have played all of the Team 91 MD, BLC, and Madlax teams vs. the Team 91 LI , Legacy, and Express Teams and I can assure you there is no contest. The MD teams are stacked with obvious rec-classes and win by out-sizing their opponents. The LI brand of lacrosse is based on elite stick skills and IQ and is without a doubt superior and they are doing it with kids clearly younger than MD AA Teams.

This is isn't about size, we have some big boys on our team as well that are on age...a 14 year old vs a 12 year just simply moves differently on an athletic field.

Our team is on the list and going. I am not sure who is over age on our team, I think we have a total of three on the whole team that have summer birthdays; however, I believe our whole starting line up is ON age except for one middie and there are kids on age behind him that are as good if not better.

Madlax you aren't technically cheating, simply own up to it, if you are winning, it is because of all the re classing going on.


So you are staking the moral high ground because you have fewer holdbacks? I guess you aren't technically cheating with your 3 or more holdbacks either.

Love how some people feel like they can identify holdbacks just by looking at them. My son is average-sized and on age. Two of his classmates have been about the same size as my son since pre-school but have had huge growth spurts the last 18 months. Now, all of the sudden, they have to hear whispers of being holdbacks because they grew faster, even though they are on age. Not saying that there are not holdbacks and that there is not an advantage. Just saying that many of these larger boys are not holdbacks and the problem is not as extensive as some on this Board want you to believe.


Assuming this is the Madlax parent. Cut the BS! Your parents have been bragging about the holdbacks for months now. Your kids have confirmed seven new hold backs JUST THIS YEAR ALONE! That’s S E V E N this year, which when added to the rest of your stable of holdbacks makes for a complete team of 2023 players, playing under the disguise of 2024! Your team makes me sick!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 04:14 AM

Too funny...yes there are holdbacks on Madlax. Funny thing is 7 of the Madlax starters in the NAL fall tourney were on age. And btw, all of those beat downs against the LI teams at NAL were without #19 and as you know by now, #24. And fyi, we didn’t even add 7 players this fall, much less 7 holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 01:45 PM

I am calling you out as a liar on that one. If I had a team of 7 ON AGE players that just beat the #1 ranked team in U-13 by a couple of goals, while also beating the 3rd ranked team... I would be booking my tickets to Denver. Don't give me no malarky about lame tournament, expense of the trip, etc...BS.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too funny...yes there are holdbacks on Madlax. Funny thing is 7 of the Madlax starters in the NAL fall tourney were on age. And btw, all of those beat downs against the LI teams at NAL were without #19 and as you know by now, #24. And fyi, we didn’t even add 7 players this fall, much less 7 holdbacks.

So you it looks from the sidelines like you have about 35 players on the team and 30% of starters are not age eligible for the WSYL what does that say about the rest of the roster? Would you not want to prove that this is the best team at this age? As far as "Love how some people feel like they can identify holdbacks just by looking at them." You do know that the kids all know. They play on rec teams together, played at fall brawl, kids go to the same school, social media, ect....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 03:59 PM

OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too funny...yes there are holdbacks on Madlax. Funny thing is 7 of the Madlax starters in the NAL fall tourney were on age. And btw, all of those beat downs against the LI teams at NAL were without #19 and as you know by now, #24. And fyi, we didn’t even add 7 players this fall, much less 7 holdbacks.

So you it looks from the sidelines like you have about 35 players on the team and 30% of starters are not age eligible for the WSYL what does that say about the rest of the roster? Would you not want to prove that this is the best team at this age? As far as "Love how some people feel like they can identify holdbacks just by looking at them." You do know that the kids all know. They play on rec teams together, played at fall brawl, kids go to the same school, social media, ect....

I'm not a Madlax guy, but read what you just wrote. "Would you not want to prove that this is the best team at this age?" That's laughable. Again, not a Madlax guy, not a fan of Cabell or people associated with some of the older teams, but c'mon. Stop living through your kid so you can beat your chest to your cronies at the next get together. No one gives a crap about which 7th grade team is the best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too funny...yes there are holdbacks on Madlax. Funny thing is 7 of the Madlax starters in the NAL fall tourney were on age. And btw, all of those beat downs against the LI teams at NAL were without #19 and as you know by now, #24. And fyi, we didn’t even add 7 players this fall, much less 7 holdbacks.

So you it looks from the sidelines like you have about 35 players on the team and 30% of starters are not age eligible for the WSYL what does that say about the rest of the roster? Would you not want to prove that this is the best team at this age? As far as "Love how some people feel like they can identify holdbacks just by looking at them." You do know that the kids all know. They play on rec teams together, played at fall brawl, kids go to the same school, social media, ect....


Funny. I don't think even 7 of the super human Madlax kids could beat 10 kids on another WSYL roster but maybe I'm wrong. Also, Madlax has 30 kids on the A roster and another 18 kids on the B roster. Going off of last year's 23's, Madlax could not field one team of 20 between the the 2 rosters to compete and that was over 40 players. They struck an arrangement with NL to have their best on-age players switch over for the tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am calling you out as a liar on that one. If I had a team of 7 ON AGE players that just beat the #1 ranked team in U-13 by a couple of goals, while also beating the 3rd ranked team... I would be booking my tickets to Denver. Don't give me no malarky about lame tournament, expense of the trip, etc...BS.


S E V E N new holdbacks this year alone. Confirmed through social media by Madlax players. Our kids have gotten very friendly via social media. I’m sure you are aware. The kids don’t lie. The parents do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!






Welcome to the world of MD private school lacrosse. Is this really the first time you read this? You must be new. Oh and by the way if you leave ML the owner sends very complimentary emails promising to support you in all your future endeavors.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!

This is not a Madlax thing this is a DMV parent thing. The private schools try to get all the boys to start at 6 years old. Look it up. They have the money to pay for another year of daycare what do they care if they wait a year.
https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/redshirting-kindergarten/





Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/19/18 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!






Welcome to the world of MD private school lacrosse. Is this really the first time you read this? You must be new. Oh and by the way if you leave ML the owner sends very complimentary emails promising to support you in all your future endeavors.


I just thought that they had different admissions standards for Kindergarten, as far as the date goes (which they do), which I thought was a few months difference. I had no idea the difference was an entire year. That is REALLY eye opening. So, a true holdback would be two years older then your normal 2024. WOWWWWWW!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!






Welcome to the world of MD private school lacrosse. Is this really the first time you read this? You must be new. Oh and by the way if you leave ML the owner sends very complimentary emails promising to support you in all your future endeavors.


I just thought that they had different admissions standards for Kindergarten, as far as the date goes (which they do), which I thought was a few months difference. I had no idea the difference was an entire year. That is REALLY eye opening. So, a true holdback would be two years older then your normal 2024. WOWWWWWW!!!






Madlax isn't even the best team in the DMV area.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!






Welcome to the world of MD private school lacrosse. Is this really the first time you read this? You must be new. Oh and by the way if you leave ML the owner sends very complimentary emails promising to support you in all your future endeavors.


I just thought that they had different admissions standards for Kindergarten, as far as the date goes (which they do), which I thought was a few months difference. I had no idea the difference was an entire year. That is REALLY eye opening. So, a true holdback would be two years older then your normal 2024. WOWWWWWW!!!






Madlax isn't even the best team in the DMV area.


And your point is? And who do you think is the best in the DMV at 2024?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 03:35 PM

And your point is? And who do you think is the best in the DMV at 2024?
[/quote]
Last year it was MD91. Won HOCO Elitte, beat ML all three times they faced them in 2018.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And your point is? And who do you think is the best in the DMV at 2024?

Last year it was MD91. Won HOCO Elitte, beat ML all three times they faced them in 2018. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!






Welcome to the world of MD private school lacrosse. Is this really the first time you read this? You must be new. Oh and by the way if you leave ML the owner sends very complimentary emails promising to support you in all your future endeavors.


I just thought that they had different admissions standards for Kindergarten, as far as the date goes (which they do), which I thought was a few months difference. I had no idea the difference was an entire year. That is REALLY eye opening. So, a true holdback would be two years older then your normal 2024. WOWWWWWW!!!






Madlax isn't even the best team in the DMV area.


No wonder they are not invited to the WSYL. They are, at minimum, a PURE 2023 team, with a lot of 2022 hold backs.

It is flat out embarrassing to not be the best team in 2024. How is that not even possible??? That team is very simply a BAD 2023/2022 team! They are a year older than every team they play, and up to two years older.

And of course the irony is, there is no other team of parents that comes anywhere close to the chest pounding of the Madlax parents... "we are the best in the nation!" It NEVER ends and has been going on for several years now.

Madlax is a sorry excuse for a 2023/2022 team, with the absolute worst parents on the planet, whose sole goal is to BULLY little kids, with far bigger kids/men.

Absolutely the worst case of abuse of the system, in all of youth sports. The perfect model of how bad things can become, without proper controls.

This team is sickening.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And your point is? And who do you think is the best in the DMV at 2024?

Last year it was MD91. Won HOCO Elitte, beat ML all three times they faced them in 2018.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!






Welcome to the world of MD private school lacrosse. Is this really the first time you read this? You must be new. Oh and by the way if you leave ML the owner sends very complimentary emails promising to support you in all your future endeavors.


I just thought that they had different admissions standards for Kindergarten, as far as the date goes (which they do), which I thought was a few months difference. I had no idea the difference was an entire year. That is REALLY eye opening. So, a true holdback would be two years older then your normal 2024. WOWWWWWW!!!






Madlax isn't even the best team in the DMV area.


No wonder they are not invited to the WSYL. They are, at minimum, a PURE 2023 team, with a lot of 2022 hold backs.

It is flat out embarrassing to not be the best team in 2024. How is that not even possible??? That team is very simply a BAD 2023/2022 team! They are a year older than every team they play, and up to two years older.

And of course the irony is, there is no other team of parents that comes anywhere close to the chest pounding of the Madlax parents... "we are the best in the nation!" It NEVER ends and has been going on for several years now.

Madlax is a sorry excuse for a 2023/2022 team, with the absolute worst parents on the planet, whose sole goal is to BULLY little kids, with far bigger kids/men.

Absolutely the worst case of abuse of the system, in all of youth sports. The perfect model of how bad things can become, without proper controls.

This team is sickening.







[/quote]
You left off the fact that they have a roster larger than many HS teams on a youth club team and it is daddy ball at it's finest but tell us how you really feel. You are most likely a ML parent who's kid rides the pine.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And your point is? And who do you think is the best in the DMV at 2024?

Last year it was MD91. Won HOCO Elitte, beat ML all three times they faced them in 2018.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!






Welcome to the world of MD private school lacrosse. Is this really the first time you read this? You must be new. Oh and by the way if you leave ML the owner sends very complimentary emails promising to support you in all your future endeavors.


I just thought that they had different admissions standards for Kindergarten, as far as the date goes (which they do), which I thought was a few months difference. I had no idea the difference was an entire year. That is REALLY eye opening. So, a true holdback would be two years older then your normal 2024. WOWWWWWW!!!






Madlax isn't even the best team in the DMV area.


No wonder they are not invited to the WSYL. They are, at minimum, a PURE 2023 team, with a lot of 2022 hold backs.

It is flat out embarrassing to not be the best team in 2024. How is that not even possible??? That team is very simply a BAD 2023/2022 team! They are a year older than every team they play, and up to two years older.

And of course the irony is, there is no other team of parents that comes anywhere close to the chest pounding of the Madlax parents... "we are the best in the nation!" It NEVER ends and has been going on for several years now.

Madlax is a sorry excuse for a 2023/2022 team, with the absolute worst parents on the planet, whose sole goal is to BULLY little kids, with far bigger kids/men.

Absolutely the worst case of abuse of the system, in all of youth sports. The perfect model of how bad things can become, without proper controls.

This team is sickening.


You do know that all the other teams have older and reclass players also? And please log back in 5 or 6 years from today and see how many on this team are going to be playing D1 lacrosse. Its not fair but it works sorry sleep tight knowing you play fair.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And your point is? And who do you think is the best in the DMV at 2024?

Last year it was MD91. Won HOCO Elitte, beat ML all three times they faced them in 2018.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!






Welcome to the world of MD private school lacrosse. Is this really the first time you read this? You must be new. Oh and by the way if you leave ML the owner sends very complimentary emails promising to support you in all your future endeavors.


I just thought that they had different admissions standards for Kindergarten, as far as the date goes (which they do), which I thought was a few months difference. I had no idea the difference was an entire year. That is REALLY eye opening. So, a true holdback would be two years older then your normal 2024. WOWWWWWW!!!






Madlax isn't even the best team in the DMV area.


No wonder they are not invited to the WSYL. They are, at minimum, a PURE 2023 team, with a lot of 2022 hold backs.

It is flat out embarrassing to not be the best team in 2024. How is that not even possible??? That team is very simply a BAD 2023/2022 team! They are a year older than every team they play, and up to two years older.

And of course the irony is, there is no other team of parents that comes anywhere close to the chest pounding of the Madlax parents... "we are the best in the nation!" It NEVER ends and has been going on for several years now.

Madlax is a sorry excuse for a 2023/2022 team, with the absolute worst parents on the planet, whose sole goal is to BULLY little kids, with far bigger kids/men.

Absolutely the worst case of abuse of the system, in all of youth sports. The perfect model of how bad things can become, without proper controls.

This team is sickening.


You do know that all the other teams have older and reclass players also? And please log back in 5 or 6 years from today and see how many on this team are going to be playing D1 lacrosse. Its not fair but it works sorry sleep tight knowing you play fair.








Yes. I am aware that some teams have holdbacks. But, there is no team anywhere that can match what Madlax does. NOTHING close. Every single player on the team is a minimum of 1 year older than a typical 2024. In fact, I'm sure that most kids on that team are TWO years older than the average 2024. Sickening!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous



Yes. I am aware that some teams have holdbacks. But, there is no team anywhere that can match what Madlax does. NOTHING close. Every single player on the team is a minimum of 1 year older than a typical 2024. In fact, I'm sure that most kids on that team are TWO years older than the average 2024. Sickening!



Unless you have seen actual birth certificates, or heck, even know their actually birthdate, lighten up. Have some turkey, give thanks for what you have. ‘Tis the season, right?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. I am aware that some teams have holdbacks. But, there is no team anywhere that can match what Madlax does. NOTHING close. Every single player on the team is a minimum of 1 year older than a typical 2024. In fact, I'm sure that most kids on that team are TWO years older than the average 2024. Sickening!

It all evens out. Madlax is thin at the high school years now. The 2022 team used to a top team, but they are about middle of the road now. Be patient parents, they'll come back to the pack.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And your point is? And who do you think is the best in the DMV at 2024?

Last year it was MD91. Won HOCO Elitte, beat ML all three times they faced them in 2018.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK lets just start over. If Madlax is based out of the DMV and the common practice in the DMV private schools is to start kids at 6 years old not 5, What would you like Madlax to do if the teams in all these tournaments not the Denver tournament are grade based? They have tryouts, you pay your $45 and show up for the grade you say your kid is in. This is not a Madlax problem this is a parents problem. They can bring their son to the 2023 tryout. Correct! Would you like them to say this team is a 2024 grad year team but your son is 12 months older then the rest of the kids. You have to play 2023. But my kid is a 2024. They are also a company that makes money. So if your client base is older and playing down in some peoples eyes. What should they do? You think if they band all older players it would be good for the bottom line? Those kids would all play VLC or Blackwolf and they would win these tournaments and get the kids who sign D1 in 5 years.


HOLD THE PHONE!!!

So in the Madlax world, your kids don't even begin school until they are a year older than the rest of the kids??

Which means, even before you begin, every kid on the team is one year older than all other 2024's??

Which means a Madlax holdback can be TWO YEARS OLDER than an on age 2024?!!!!!







Welcome to the world of MD private school lacrosse. Is this really the first time you read this? You must be new. Oh and by the way if you leave ML the owner sends very complimentary emails promising to support you in all your future endeavors.


I just thought that they had different admissions standards for Kindergarten, as far as the date goes (which they do), which I thought was a few months difference. I had no idea the difference was an entire year. That is REALLY eye opening. So, a true holdback would be two years older then your normal 2024. WOWWWWWW!!!






Madlax isn't even the best team in the DMV area.


No wonder they are not invited to the WSYL. They are, at minimum, a PURE 2023 team, with a lot of 2022 hold backs.

It is flat out embarrassing to not be the best team in 2024. How is that not even possible??? That team is very simply a BAD 2023/2022 team! They are a year older than every team they play, and up to two years older.

And of course the irony is, there is no other team of parents that comes anywhere close to the chest pounding of the Madlax parents... "we are the best in the nation!" It NEVER ends and has been going on for several years now.

Madlax is a sorry excuse for a 2023/2022 team, with the absolute worst parents on the planet, whose sole goal is to BULLY little kids, with far bigger kids/men.

Absolutely the worst case of abuse of the system, in all of youth sports. The perfect model of how bad things can become, without proper controls.

This team is sickening.


You do know that all the other teams have older and reclass players also? And please log back in 5 or 6 years from today and see how many on this team are going to be playing D1 lacrosse. Its not fair but it works sorry sleep tight knowing you play fair.







How is it, exactly, how you think ANYONE on that team, who is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to play kids anywhere close to their own age, are going to wind up in ANY D1 program?? In order for them to have any sort of success, they have to play against kids a year or TWO younger than them. they’d be very lucky if they play intramural ball somewhere. The team is a TOTAL JOKE!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 10:21 PM

Ok...first things first, sept 1 is the start date through aug 31 cutoff for schools down in the mid-Atlantic (like the rest of the country for you folks living on the island and the rest of NY). Second, of course we (the 75% with on age players) have been looking into all kinds of options to get our kids the experience that you all speak so highly of at the WSYL. For me personally, who has a son that’s a starter and is on age, I’d love for him to experience this once in a lifetime opportunity. If you know anything about the rules for the WSYL you would know it’s not as easy as just putting together a team and going to Denver. You’d understand all the red tape and logistics of the upcoming spring season as well as the other intricacies of not playing with madlax and all the fun things that would come from that for this one tourney. Third, while we do have holdbacks as I stated before (and I don’t give a sh$t what your kids say through social media), we added about 5 players this fall of which 2 may be holdbacks. What’s really funny is bc BLC isn’t that good any longer they don’t actually get the recognition they deserve for having the most holdbacks in the country, which is well over 50%. How do we know this, easy, we live here and our kids that are on age go to school with half of them who use to be a year ahead of our kids. The bottom line is the post up above hit the nail on the head, in 3 years it will either all even out or you long islanders will still be crying about all of our supposed holdbacks who are getting the D1 attention from your players. Either way, when our kids are hopefully playing together one day in college, if we’re lucky enough for any of us to have our kids playing at the next level, my son will be more than glad to show you his birth certificate and share all the highlight reels he had beating up on you guys as an on age player! Happy thanksgiving.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 10:40 PM

"How is it, exactly, how you think ANYONE on that team, who is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to play kids anywhere close to their own age, are going to wind up in ANY D1 program?? In order for them to have any sort of success, they have to play against kids a year or TWO younger than them. they’d be very lucky if they play intramural ball somewhere. The team is a TOTAL JOKE!!!"

Look they have 45 kids in the age group. The younger kids get better playing the older kids. When they get to HS the better older kids go to BW (like 22 team did) and the younger ones are better for having played with them. In HS there is very little meaning in W's and L's and kids on this team will get noticed. The outlier is the '23 team which they imported from Club Blue which is one of the top in the nation. This was tough on the current '23 age players as most were not good enough for the new team. A few must have dropped down to the '24 team or moved on. The only people who care as much as you obviously do about this team are other MDLX parents who have kids not getting run on the top team. They need to go with 24 kids at tournaments and not 30-33 which gives parents heartburn when they travel and pay hotel fees to watch their son get less than five minutes total in a weekend. Problem with the team is that it is a business and it does not help renewal revenue to tell many of the parents the truth that their son is not an elite player. Therefore they take too many kids on the top teams and still import older or players from other clubs. My advice is do what is best for your kids and find the right program. Sounds like you are not happy with MDLX. Email the coach. Do not worry if your kid is not that good he will not call him an ungrateful quitter.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 03:45 PM

Notice how every time Madlax demolishes its LI competition in a big tournament, there is a flurry of activity on this page whining about holdbacks and everything else under the sun. Go back to your NY boards, losers.

Gotta admit Madlax Cap 2024 had a great summer. Madlax v MD 91 should be fun to watch in the spring. Clearly the two best 2024 teams in the DMV.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 04:54 PM

How 'bout Madlax's fall?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notice how every time Madlax demolishes its LI competition in a big tournament, there is a flurry of activity on this page whining about holdbacks and everything else under the sun. Go back to your NY boards, losers.

Gotta admit Madlax Cap 2024 had a great summer. Madlax v MD 91 should be fun to watch in the spring. Clearly the two best 2024 teams in the DMV.


You should be ashamed. The 5 or so new kids they added are all holdback including the 6' new middie.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notice how every time Madlax demolishes its LI competition in a big tournament, there is a flurry of activity on this page whining about holdbacks and everything else under the sun. Go back to your NY boards, losers.

Gotta admit Madlax Cap 2024 had a great summer. Madlax v MD 91 should be fun to watch in the spring. Clearly the two best 2024 teams in the DMV.


You should be ashamed. The 5 or so new kids they added are all holdback including the 6' new middie.

Unless you have birth certificates, you can not possibly know whether any of them are holdbacks. Speculating about holdbacks is poor sportsmanship. Just shut up and let the kids play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 11:49 PM

Shut up,
and talk about crabs 2024. They will be good. May even beat Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 01:18 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notice how every time Madlax demolishes its LI competition in a big tournament, there is a flurry of activity on this page whining about holdbacks and everything else under the sun. Go back to your NY boards, losers.

Gotta admit Madlax Cap 2024 had a great summer. Madlax v MD 91 should be fun to watch in the spring. Clearly the two best 2024 teams in the DMV.


You should be ashamed. The 5 or so new kids they added are all holdback including the 6' new middie.

Unless you have birth certificates, you can not possibly know whether any of them are holdbacks. Speculating about holdbacks is poor sportsmanship. Just shut up and let the kids play.


Shut up. The Madlax players have CONFIRMED S E V E N NEW HOLD BACKS JUST THIS YEAR, SLEEZEBALL. Social media. The kids talk all the time about it. Ask your boy Sammy. He’ll confirm it for you! EVERY KID ON THAT TEAM IS A HOLDBACK. Biggest bunch of cheaters. A disgrace. Embarrassment to youth lacrosse. A REAL black eye for youth sports. Take Your 2022 team and try playing on age for once. Just one time. Take that gutless team and play boys their own age. Never going to happen.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shut up,
and talk about crabs 2024. They will be good. May even beat Madlax.

Nope. Madlax and 91MD will both go undefeated against everyone else, and the only loss suffered by either team will be to the other. Bet the house on it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 03:24 AM

Who's Sammy?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notice how every time Madlax demolishes its LI competition in a big tournament, there is a flurry of activity on this page whining about holdbacks and everything else under the sun. Go back to your NY boards, losers.

Gotta admit Madlax Cap 2024 had a great summer. Madlax v MD 91 should be fun to watch in the spring. Clearly the two best 2024 teams in the DMV.


You should be ashamed. The 5 or so new kids they added are all holdback including the 6' new middie.

Unless you have birth certificates, you can not possibly know whether any of them are holdbacks. Speculating about holdbacks is poor sportsmanship. Just shut up and let the kids play.


Stop with the denial. There is nothing wrong with holdbacks. It’s a critical part of the game and is completely within the rules. Madlax is just smarter than the rest of the other teams. We do it better than anyone. Eat it LI wannabes!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shut up,
and talk about crabs 2024. They will be good. May even beat Madlax.

Nope. Madlax and 91MD will both go undefeated against everyone else, and the only loss suffered by either team will be to the other. Bet the house on it.


Nobody here cares about 2023 teams. Both teams have 98% holdbacks. 2023 teams should beat 2024 teams. Funny though, doesn’t always happen that way, now does it. Play on age then come back and see me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notice how every time Madlax demolishes its LI competition in a big tournament, there is a flurry of activity on this page whining about holdbacks and everything else under the sun. Go back to your NY boards, losers.

Gotta admit Madlax Cap 2024 had a great summer. Madlax v MD 91 should be fun to watch in the spring. Clearly the two best 2024 teams in the DMV.


You should be ashamed. The 5 or so new kids they added are all holdback including the 6' new middie.

Unless you have birth certificates, you can not possibly know whether any of them are holdbacks. Speculating about holdbacks is poor sportsmanship. Just shut up and let the kids play.


No birth certificates needed. Just check your kids social media accounts. The Madlax boys brag about it incessantly. Big feather in their cap apparently. You parents need to be cognizant of what you are teaching your children with this. They are the names on tomorrow’s police blotter, to be sure. And you will have only yourselves to blame.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 02:37 PM

There isn’t a huge difference when you are in 10th grade versus 12 grade so high school levels off but right now with 2024,2023 and 2022 (7-9th grade)there’s a huge difference in size and strength with puberty some kids hit it some kids didn’t so enjoy winning now with the hold backs high school will be bland when your little boy just blends and doesn’t have an advantage
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There isn’t a huge difference when you are in 10th grade versus 12 grade so high school levels off but right now with 2024,2023 and 2022 (7-9th grade)there’s a huge difference in size and strength with puberty some kids hit it some kids didn’t so enjoy winning now with the hold backs high school will be bland when your little boy just blends and doesn’t have an advantage


Are we talking 10th grade hold back vs 12th grade on-age, then you are right? Are you talking 19 year old vs 17 year old, then you are closer. If you are talking on-age 18 vs 16 then the difference is getting bigger and bigger. It used to be scholarship programs in college would red-shirt an on age kid to get them more mature. Now, you don't hear that much about this practice because the really good kids have already done so by starting school late, held back or through gap year. The advantage really doesn't disappear until young men hit their 2nd year in college regardless of age. The older kids at a young age have a huge advantage in coordination and maturity and this advantage gets them more reps, looks and better test scores.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There isn’t a huge difference when you are in 10th grade versus 12 grade so high school levels off but right now with 2024,2023 and 2022 (7-9th grade)there’s a huge difference in size and strength with puberty some kids hit it some kids didn’t so enjoy winning now with the hold backs high school will be bland when your little boy just blends and doesn’t have an advantage


Are we talking 10th grade hold back vs 12th grade on-age, then you are right? Are you talking 19 year old vs 17 year old, then you are closer. If you are talking on-age 18 vs 16 then the difference is getting bigger and bigger. It used to be scholarship programs in college would red-shirt an on age kid to get them more mature. Now, you don't hear that much about this practice because the really good kids have already done so by starting school late, held back or through gap year. The advantage really doesn't disappear until young men hit their 2nd year in college regardless of age. The older kids at a young age have a huge advantage in coordination and maturity and this advantage gets them more reps, looks and better test scores.


This guy makes lots of good points. He did bring up something I never really thought about. If a kid does two years of 8th grade or two years of 9th grade depending on how he works the reclass system. This helps him in school also. If the kid is a good to above avg student and he reclasses his grades and SAT scores should go up a lot also. As a dad of a on age 2019 who will be playing college lacrosse next year a higher SAT score and a higher GPA would of saved me the cost of a full year of college.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 06:08 PM

Yawn. You people are exhausting. stink it up for two more years. Then your kid will be in high school. And guess what?! There is an even bigger age difference in high school, and your whining and crying will be laughed at even more so than it is on here, if thats even possible. So use the next two years as an advantage for your son if he is on age. He gets to play the next two years with the so called “cheaters” (which they aren’t because they aren’t breaking the rules), which means he will be even more prepared for high school ball. Now go have a drink and lighten up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
There isn’t a huge difference when you are in 10th grade versus 12 grade so high school levels off but right now with 2024,2023 and 2022 (7-9th grade)there’s a huge difference in size and strength with puberty some kids hit it some kids didn’t so enjoy winning now with the hold backs high school will be bland when your little boy just blends and doesn’t have an advantage


Been there done that. The holdback advantage is at its peak in Middle School. The difference between pre-puberty, puberty, and post puberty is ENORMOUS. It’s the difference between small children and “men”. The advantage is still very significant through sophomore year, although nowhere near the advantage it was in the middle school years. By Spring of their Junior year, is when it pretty much evens out. That’s why HS’s have freshman programs, junior varsity programs (sophomores) and varsity programs (juniors and seniors). Schools have always had guidelines based around ages (grade) of children, in order to avoid the holdback advantage scenario that is exploited by the “business of youth sports”, where profit takes presidency over all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 09:25 PM

I have this great idea! I heard that some kids are a year older on some of the college teams. They do PG, red shirts, whatever. My kid really isn’t a good player so if I hold him back a year now and humiliate him in the process, he would play against smaller younger kids and while he still isn’t any good he can just use his size to run over people, in Middle School. Then a D1 coach will see him and definitely recruit him and give him a full scholarship, even though he is still a sucky C Team caliber player who can’t even play against kids his own age. Yeah! That’s a great idea! That’s my new plan!
~Every Travel Dad in MD, VA & DC
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.



A bunch of the Madlax kids brag about it to the LI kids on social media. My kid told me ALL about it. Told me a whole bunch of their names, too. You Madlax daddy’s keep denying all of these holdbacks and I’ll post them all for you. I’m sure your kid is one of them. Should be a real hoot!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/30/18 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.



A bunch of the Madlax kids brag about it to the LI kids on social media. My kid told me ALL about it. Told me a whole bunch of their names, too. You Madlax daddy’s keep denying all of these holdbacks and I’ll post them all for you. I’m sure your kid is one of them. Should be a real hoot!




There are no more ML holdbacks than any other class based team in the DC/Balt/Annap area. Post away.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/30/18 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.



A bunch of the Madlax kids brag about it to the LI kids on social media. My kid told me ALL about it. Told me a whole bunch of their names, too. You Madlax daddy’s keep denying all of these holdbacks and I’ll post them all for you. I’m sure your kid is one of them. Should be a real hoot!




There are no more ML holdbacks than any other class based team in the DC/Balt/Annap area. Post away.


Stop. No 2024 team is better than Madlax. None. We DO NOT apologize for our team to anyone. We play within the rules. Holdbacks are a part of the game. A very important part. I don’t know how many holdbacks others have, but I can’t imagine anyone has more than us, because we play that game and every game better than everyone else. Stop denying it. Embrace it. It’s a strength. Not a weakness.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/30/18 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.



Of course he does.

Sammy Davis Jr the former " greatest living entertainer in the world " and one heck of a player
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/30/18 06:13 PM

Big one for sure. How tall are the mom and dad?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/30/18 07:33 PM

Please don't throw all of us Madlax parents into the same boat, or assume that all purported Madlax posts are actual Madlax posts. My kid is friends with lots of the Taz kids and speaks highly of them. I have lots of respect for your team. Like you, I wish there was an age limit on club lacrosse. I think if you polled most Madlax parents, they would agree. I love it when Madlax plays Taz, and the other top LI teams. It is great to see the best play the best. I am not here to debate who on Madlax is on-age and not on-age. I think you would be surprised to learn that there is little correlation between age and size. Some of the bigger kids are younger, and smaller kids are older. Don't worry. If older kids are playing down, it will level out by high school and LI will get last laugh.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/30/18 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.



A bunch of the Madlax kids brag about it to the LI kids on social media. My kid told me ALL about it. Told me a whole bunch of their names, too. You Madlax daddy’s keep denying all of these holdbacks and I’ll post them all for you. I’m sure your kid is one of them. Should be a real hoot!





Complete lie. Sad that dads have to resort to this over a kid's game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/30/18 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please don't throw all of us Madlax parents into the same boat, or assume that all purported Madlax posts are actual Madlax posts. My kid is friends with lots of the Taz kids and speaks highly of them. I have lots of respect for your team. Like you, I wish there was an age limit on club lacrosse. I think if you polled most Madlax parents, they would agree. I love it when Madlax plays Taz, and the other top LI teams. It is great to see the best play the best. I am not here to debate who on Madlax is on-age and not on-age. I think you would be surprised to learn that there is little correlation between age and size. Some of the bigger kids are younger, and smaller kids are older. Don't worry. If older kids are playing down, it will level out by high school and LI will get last laugh.


Then don't debate and just let the thread know how many are born prior to 9/1. And your post indicates you think kids born 10-22 months before those in the USL age guides are likely to be of equal size, strength and maturity. You are either unbelievably naive or so tainted by watching only older ML kids play against each other you have no idea of what is reality with children.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/01/18 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please don't throw all of us Madlax parents into the same boat, or assume that all purported Madlax posts are actual Madlax posts. My kid is friends with lots of the Taz kids and speaks highly of them. I have lots of respect for your team. Like you, I wish there was an age limit on club lacrosse. I think if you polled most Madlax parents, they would agree. I love it when Madlax plays Taz, and the other top LI teams. It is great to see the best play the best. I am not here to debate who on Madlax is on-age and not on-age. I think you would be surprised to learn that there is little correlation between age and size. Some of the bigger kids are younger, and smaller kids are older. Don't worry. If older kids are playing down, it will level out by high school and LI will get last laugh.


Wow. A classy Madlax parent. Seriously didn’t think one existed. Must be new.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/01/18 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?


You know exactly who that is.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's Sammy?



You know exactly who that is.



A bunch of the Madlax kids brag about it to the LI kids on social media. My kid told me ALL about it. Told me a whole bunch of their names, too. You Madlax daddy’s keep denying all of these holdbacks and I’ll post them all for you. I’m sure your kid is one of them. Should be a real hoot!





Complete lie. Sad that dads have to resort to this over a kid's game.


You either have no clue what your kid does or you are a liar. End the denials, or everyone will find out if your kid is one of the informants...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/01/18 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please don't throw all of us Madlax parents into the same boat, or assume that all purported Madlax posts are actual Madlax posts. My kid is friends with lots of the Taz kids and speaks highly of them. I have lots of respect for your team. Like you, I wish there was an age limit on club lacrosse. I think if you polled most Madlax parents, they would agree. I love it when Madlax plays Taz, and the other top LI teams. It is great to see the best play the best. I am not here to debate who on Madlax is on-age and not on-age. I think you would be surprised to learn that there is little correlation between age and size. Some of the bigger kids are younger, and smaller kids are older. Don't worry. If older kids are playing down, it will level out by high school and LI will get last laugh.


When you say "it's great to see the best play the best", I assume you mean the best of Northern Virginia against the best of Long Island. Pretty bold and inaccurate statement if you are implying anything else
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/05/18 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please don't throw all of us Madlax parents into the same boat, or assume that all purported Madlax posts are actual Madlax posts. My kid is friends with lots of the Taz kids and speaks highly of them. I have lots of respect for your team. Like you, I wish there was an age limit on club lacrosse. I think if you polled most Madlax parents, they would agree. I love it when Madlax plays Taz, and the other top LI teams. It is great to see the best play the best. I am not here to debate who on Madlax is on-age and not on-age. I think you would be surprised to learn that there is little correlation between age and size. Some of the bigger kids are younger, and smaller kids are older. Don't worry. If older kids are playing down, it will level out by high school and LI will get last laugh.


When you say "it's great to see the best play the best", I assume you mean the best of Northern Virginia against the best of Long Island. Pretty bold and inaccurate statement if you are implying anything else


When I said "it is great to see the best play the best," I was referring to the kids themselves (figurative plural), not their respective teams.
Whether it is Taz attack, Express middie, Team 91 close, Team 91 MD LSM, Hawks lefty attack, or Bethesda goalie, it is great to see these young athletes compete. I have never been one for ranking club lacrosse teams. Two years from now, I expect my kid will be more concerned with whether he makes varsity as a freshman than how his 7th grade team did.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/06/18 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


When I said "it is great to see the best play the best," I was referring to the kids themselves (figurative plural), not their respective teams.
Whether it is Taz attack, Express middie, Team 91 close, Team 91 MD LSM, Hawks lefty attack, or Bethesda goalie, it is great to see these young athletes compete. I have never been one for ranking club lacrosse teams. Two years from now, I expect my kid will be more concerned with whether he makes varsity as a freshman than how his 7th grade team did.


You get it. Wish more did.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/06/18 09:44 PM

This link tells you all you need to know about Madlax...

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 09:28 PM

All you Dads that are insulting kids on here for cheating really need to take a look at yourself. Are you acting off the field the way you want your son to act on the field. Take a moment and read this article: https://www.allprodad.com/confronting-crazy-sports-parents. Then try to act like an adult. One that won't embarrass your son or wife.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 11:53 PM

This poster has been banned
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/10/19 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All you Dads that are insulting kids on here for cheating really need to take a look at yourself. Are you acting off the field the way you want your son to act on the field. Take a moment and read this article: https://www.allprodad.com/confronting-crazy-sports-parents. Then try to act like an adult. One that won't embarrass your son or wife.


This, from the the parent of one of the 35 holdbacks on the Madlax team. What are YOU teaching your son, you hipocrot?! Exploit the system and bend every possible rule because the end always justifies the means. You have your kid play youth sports, ya know... lacrosse for little kids, a year below, or even two years below his age just to give him an unfair advantage against other little boys. YOU are disgusting!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/10/19 03:57 AM

The ONLY way Madlax has a chance of winning a single game against a 2024 LI team is by having a roster of 100% 2023 and 2022 age players.

So you brag about beating a team that is between one and two years younger than the Madlax team. You REALLY brag about that?!!

The parents, coaches and players of Madlax cheaters are a pathetic bunch of human vermine COWARDS.

Try playing ONE game on age. Just one. In 6 years, that team has NEVER played ONE on age game. Not a single one! Most teams I know play up for the challenge. Madlax ONLY PLAYS DOWN! What does that say about the organization, the coaches, the parents and the kids. It tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about that sleezey organization.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/10/19 04:05 AM

Thanks, but we have a lot better 2023 teams on LI that we play. No need to drive all the way to MD to play REALLY BAD 2023’s and 2022’s, who try to disguise themselves as 2024’s.

Sorry, but your holdbacks are just not good players. The only way they can compete is against far younger teams.

We prefer to play top tier 2023’s. Not 2023’s who aren’t good enough to play on age.

Thanks for the invite though.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/10/19 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


This, from the the parent of one of the 35 holdbacks on the Madlax team. What are YOU teaching your son, you hipocrot?!




LOL. This sentence perfectly captures the Long Island parent. Uneducated, I-Roc drivining, leg-tat parent. The armpit of America.

"hipocrot". LOL.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/10/19 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


This, from the the parent of one of the 35 holdbacks on the Madlax team. What are YOU teaching your son, you hipocrot?!




LOL. This sentence perfectly captures the Long Island parent. Uneducated, I-Roc drivining, leg-tat parent. The armpit of America.

"hipocrot". LOL.


That’s all you got? I was expecting more spin and lies. Guess we are finally past all that. By the way. What you got against classic muscle cars of the 70’s? Wish I had an IROC. That was an awesome car. Prob worth a ton of $’s now. But seriously, you need some new material. You been using the exact same line for years now. Wasn’t clever then. Definitely not clever now. Just stale and notIntelligent. C’mon now, put a little effort in it !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/11/19 12:16 PM

Didn’t express beat madlax 2024 at NLF
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/11/19 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


This, from the the parent of one of the 35 holdbacks on the Madlax team. What are YOU teaching your son, you hipocrot?!




LOL. This sentence perfectly captures the Long Island parent. Uneducated, I-Roc drivining, leg-tat parent. The armpit of America.

"hipocrot". LOL.



Oh geez.... Now we have Biff acting like a tough guy. Get in your Prius and go eat some week old crab cakes. Oh and bring Buffy....she needs some sun after working long hours at Denny's down in B'more to support you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/11/19 01:53 PM

Awesome use of the english language... no wonder you were a holdback
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/11/19 04:49 PM

Go find an on age team to play. I’m sure you can find another really bad 2022 team close by. When we play up, we like to play top 2023 teams, not pathetic 2022’s that aren’t good enough to play kids their own age. But, if you really have a hankering for an old fashion butt kicking, then get in your beat up Gremlin, and hit 95. We’d be happy to give you another beat down! It’ll be fun. Just like old times. Our little boys beating up on the older bully’s! Again!


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/11/19 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t express beat madlax 2024 at NLF
they sure did. That was the big reason they revamp the team. and brought in new holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/11/19 04:58 PM

“...only about 50% holdbacks.” OMG!! LMAO!! There is apparently still one lone Madlax parent selling that lie! Wake up, DC (CA) donkey! Where you been?! The lie is long over! All Madlax parents have FINALLY come clean and admit the team is 100% holdbacks! They don’t just admit it, they brag about it! They’re darn Proud of it! Get with the program donkey!! Where you been, living under a rock!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/11/19 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t express beat madlax 2024 at NLF


Of course! Heard Madlax is reclassifying again. Since it’s not working out for them, their crazy coach is playing only 2025’s from now on. Totally understandable. So long Madlax parents. Enjoy the ‘25 thread. Come back and visit some time!
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/11/19 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


This, from the the parent of one of the 35 holdbacks on the Madlax team. What are YOU teaching your son, you hipocrot?!




LOL. This sentence perfectly captures the Long Island parent. Uneducated, I-Roc drivining, leg-tat parent. The armpit of America.

"hipocrot". LOL.



Oh geez.... Now we have Biff acting like a tough guy. Get in your Prius and go eat some week old crab cakes. Oh and bring Buffy....she needs some sun after working long hours at Denny's down in B'more to support you.


Correction. Heard she’s back at the Waffle House again. Tips were better.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/12/19 02:52 PM

Silver Spring and Cannons undefeated in MMILL
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/12/19 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.


Take this drama to the Hold back Forum.


There’s a holdback forum? Fun! Where? I want to read all the justifications.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/13/19 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.


Take this drama to the Hold back Forum.


There’s a holdback forum? Fun! Where? I want to read all the justifications.


Holdbacks dont go there. Cant justify letting specific kids get an advantage others dont .. Common sense
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/13/19 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.



Take this drama to the Hold back Forum.


There’s a holdback forum? Fun! Where? I want to read all the justifications.


I have the solution! No need for a hold back forum. From now on, all of the MD DC holdback teams use the ‘23 board, and the ‘24 teams, that actually have ‘24 players, stay on the ‘24 thread! Makes total sense!!
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/13/19 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.



Take this drama to the Hold back Forum.


There’s a holdback forum? Fun! Where? I want to read all the justifications.


I have the solution! No need for a hold back forum. From now on, all of the MD DC holdback teams use the ‘23 board, and the ‘24 teams, that actually have ‘24 players, stay on the ‘24 thread! Makes total sense!!


Take it to the Madlax forum, and dont lump other MD clubs in with them.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/13/19 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.



Take this drama to the Hold back Forum.


There’s a holdback forum? Fun! Where? I want to read all the justifications.


I have the solution! No need for a hold back forum. From now on, all of the MD DC holdback teams use the ‘23 board, and the ‘24 teams, that actually have ‘24 players, stay on the ‘24 thread! Makes total sense!!


Take it to the Madlax forum, and dont lump other MD clubs in with them.


I don’t blame you for not wanting to be categorized with Madlax, the ultimate in cheating vermine teams in youth sports. However, are the rest of the better MD teams much different? I admit they are classier teams, and parents, but do they really have less cheating holdbacks than Madlax? Maybe they do, considering Madlax is almost entirely holdbacks. But if your MD team is 50% holdbacks, and only that 50% of the players see the field in close games, are you that much different??
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/13/19 11:19 PM

I wasn't aware colleges and high schools limited a kid's eligibility because his age doesn't meet the 9/1 date or isn't the same as it is up in NY.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wasn't aware colleges and high schools limited a kid's eligibility because his age doesn't meet the 9/1 date or isn't the same as it is up in NY.


It doesnt...But we are talking YOUTH lacrosse. Different world. Well different except to holdbacks who want an advantage most players dont get...The after playing against younger players the parents pat themselves on back and make excuses for holding him back
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 01:15 AM

It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wasn't aware colleges and high schools limited a kid's eligibility because his age doesn't meet the 9/1 date or isn't the same as it is up in NY.


It doesnt...But we are talking YOUTH lacrosse. Different world. Well different except to holdbacks who want an advantage most players dont get...The after playing against younger players the parents pat themselves on back and make excuses for holding him back


No, you are talking about youth lacrosse on a 2024 Mid-Atlantic thread and it's exhausting. Grab your pitchfork and torch and try to convince any tournament or league director who cares. Guess what, none of them do. You are too young to understand but you are tilting at windmills.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wasn't aware colleges and high schools limited a kid's eligibility because his age doesn't meet the 9/1 date or isn't the same as it is up in NY.


It doesnt...But we are talking YOUTH lacrosse. Different world. Well different except to holdbacks who want an advantage most players dont get...The after playing against younger players the parents pat themselves on back and make excuses for holding him back


Dude, you would've stunk anyway even if you were held back.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.

A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.


Such an intelligent, thought proving post. But seriously, as the parent of a post adolescent 15 year old Madlax holdback, what’s it like playing down almost three years and still losing? Must be very discouraging.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wasn't aware colleges and high schools limited a kid's eligibility because his age doesn't meet the 9/1 date or isn't the same as it is up in NY.


Lol. Too funny! I realize that your kid is suppose to be in HS, but 2024’s aren’t in HS. It’s your sons age that is confusing you. Age-wise, he’s in HS. Grade-wise he’s in middle school. So this conversation is about middle school age lacrosse. Not HS. Understand now?
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 02:47 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.

A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


Thank you for the Madlax DC perspective where all players start school a year later than everyone else. Holdbacks to Madlax is what anyone else would call a 2022 double holdback.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 03:03 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 03:51 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.



Yeah. And the good freshman play HS varsity. So if your double holdbacks are as good as you say they are, they should be playing for their high school varsity team, not against a bunch of pre-puberty 7th grade children. Disgusting cheats!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.


Keep telling your kid whatever you want to on the ride home from the field. Most of the pre first kids were young to begin with...late summer birthdays. I know plenty that will be 14 in late July and August. You need the storyline to make you feel better and if that's what works at your dinner table, great.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.



Correct. Like their new 6’1”, double holdback, midi-FO, behemoth, that played for the ‘23 DC Dogs last year. You know, the one that replaced their last 6’1” double holdback, behemoth that went back to being just a holdback, now playing with the ‘23s, which Madlax calls playing “up”. Probably the only team anywhere that refers to one of their holdback as playing “up”, in their fantasy world. Just the most visible example of the many Madlax players that should be mid way through their freshman year in high school right now. Does the abuse of a “grade based” based system, as opposed to an “age based” system, get any worse? Lets truly hope not. Absolutely despicable.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.


Keep telling your kid whatever you want to on the ride home from the field. Most of the pre first kids were young to begin with...late summer birthdays. I know plenty that will be 14 in late July and August. You need the storyline to make you feel better and if that's what works at your dinner table, great.



I’m sure you do have kids that will be 14 in July and August. Is that, in your mind, somehow cheating less?? Those kids should be in 8th grade!

Since you brought it up... I can tell you, there are several starters on our LI 2024 team that will still be 12 in July and August, and far later than that. Yes. Twelve.

I’m sure you know several of your kids that will be 14 during months throughout the winter and spring, so the fact that you single out a couple of kids that have summer birthdays, is really inconsequential, isn’t it? Kinda like an oserich sticking his head in the sand.

But enough with the holdbacks. Let’s talk Madlax double holdbacks. Yeah, the 15 year olds. Are some of those kids summer babies too? And if so, in the Madlax twisted fantasy world, is that somehow cheating less, also?? Ok. How many winter/spring double holdbacks? You don’t want to talk about any of the kids that are 15 already or will be in the next few months? Doing the ostrich thing again?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.



Yeah. And the good freshman play HS varsity. So if your double holdbacks are as good as you say they are, they should be playing for their high school varsity team, not against a bunch of pre-puberty 7th grade children. Disgusting cheats!






And you still stink even with your ranting. What will I tell my kid when he rolls you over and over, "good job." It's not against the rules and good luck at Rutgers or SUNY while the DC kids are at the Ivy's or schools like Michigan and UVA. I guess your therapist says this a good place to get out your anxieties.
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.



Yeah. And the good freshman play HS varsity. So if your double holdbacks are as good as you say they are, they should be playing for their high school varsity team, not against a bunch of pre-puberty 7th grade children. Disgusting cheats!





In the rare event that a prefirst kid is held back a second time, it wouldn't happen until the rest of the team starts 9th grade. That's when these kids change private schools and repeat 8th grade. So your pre puberty 7th graders are safe.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.


Keep telling your kid whatever you want to on the ride home from the field. Most of the pre first kids were young to begin with...late summer birthdays. I know plenty that will be 14 in late July and August. You need the storyline to make you feel better and if that's what works at your dinner table, great.



I’m sure you do have kids that will be 14 in July and August. Is that, in your mind, somehow cheating less?? Those kids should be in 8th grade!

Since you brought it up... I can tell you, there are several starters on our LI 2024 team that will still be 12 in July and August, and far later than that. Yes. Twelve.

I’m sure you know several of your kids that will be 14 during months throughout the winter and spring, so the fact that you single out a couple of kids that have summer birthdays, is really inconsequential, isn’t it? Kinda like an oserich sticking his head in the sand.

But enough with the holdbacks. Let’s talk Madlax double holdbacks. Yeah, the 15 year olds. Are some of those kids summer babies too? And if so, in the Madlax twisted fantasy world, is that somehow cheating less, also?? Ok. How many winter/spring double holdbacks? You don’t want to talk about any of the kids that are 15 already or will be in the next few months? Doing the ostrich thing again?



Yes, there are also 12 year old kids in 7th grade, and on these DC/MD teams as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.

Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.


Keep telling your kid whatever you want to on the ride home from the field. Most of the pre first kids were young to begin with...late summer birthdays. I know plenty that will be 14 in late July and August. You need the storyline to make you feel better and if that's what works at your dinner table, great.



I’m sure you do have kids that will be 14 in July and August. Is that, in your mind, somehow cheating less?? Those kids should be in 8th grade!

Since you brought it up... I can tell you, there are several starters on our LI 2024 team that will still be 12 in July and August, and far later than that. Yes. Twelve.

I’m sure you know several of your kids that will be 14 during months throughout the winter and spring, so the fact that you single out a couple of kids that have summer birthdays, is really inconsequential, isn’t it? Kinda like an oserich sticking his head in the sand.

But enough with the holdbacks. Let’s talk Madlax double holdbacks. Yeah, the 15 year olds. Are some of those kids summer babies too? And if so, in the Madlax twisted fantasy world, is that somehow cheating less, also?? Ok. How many winter/spring double holdbacks? You don’t want to talk about any of the kids that are 15 already or will be in the next few months? Doing the ostrich thing again?



Yes, there are also 12 year old kids in 7th grade, and on these DC/MD teams as well.


Assuming you are not a DC Madlax parent, I’m sure you are correct. But that 12 year old is on the bottom half of your roster with 15 holdbacks in front of him, so poor kid never sees the field. Ours all start.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.


Keep telling your kid whatever you want to on the ride home from the field. Most of the pre first kids were young to begin with...late summer birthdays. I know plenty that will be 14 in late July and August. You need the storyline to make you feel better and if that's what works at your dinner table, great.



I’m sure you do have kids that will be 14 in July and August. Is that, in your mind, somehow cheating less?? Those kids should be in 8th grade!

Since you brought it up... I can tell you, there are several starters on our LI 2024 team that will still be 12 in July and August, and far later than that. Yes. Twelve.

I’m sure you know several of your kids that will be 14 during months throughout the winter and spring, so the fact that you single out a couple of kids that have summer birthdays, is really inconsequential, isn’t it? Kinda like an oserich sticking his head in the sand.

But enough with the holdbacks. Let’s talk Madlax double holdbacks. Yeah, the 15 year olds. Are some of those kids summer babies too? And if so, in the Madlax twisted fantasy world, is that somehow cheating less, also?? Ok. How many winter/spring double holdbacks? You don’t want to talk about any of the kids that are 15 already or will be in the next few months? Doing the ostrich thing again?



Yes, there are also 12 year old kids in 7th grade, and on these DC/MD teams as well.


If you are a Madlax DC parent, you are a slithering liar. There are no 22 year olds on Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 07:00 PM

You are such a dope.

Here is the age eligibility for NY.
AGE AND GRADE: Regulation of the Commissioner of Education: A student shall be eligible for interschool competition in grades 9, 10, 11 and 12 until his/her nineteenth birthday. If the age of nineteen years is reached on or after July 1, the student may continue to participate during that school year in all sports.

Here it is for schools like Landon and Bullis: Any student turning nineteen years of age prior to September 1 is not eligible for that school year.

Here it is for MD schools: Students who are 19 years old or older as of August 31 are ineligible to participate in interscholastic athletics.

They are all the same. Go hit the wall, kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are such a dope.

Here is the age eligibility for NY.
AGE AND GRADE: Regulation of the Commissioner of Education: A student shall be eligible for interschool competition in grades 9, 10, 11 and 12 until his/her nineteenth birthday. If the age of nineteen years is reached on or after July 1, the student may continue to participate during that school year in all sports.

Here it is for schools like Landon and Bullis: Any student turning nineteen years of age prior to September 1 is not eligible for that school year.

Here it is for MD schools: Students who are 19 years old or older as of August 31 are ineligible to participate in interscholastic athletics.

They are all the same. Go hit the wall, kid.



You’re a funny little man, Madlax daddy. But I think you may have a personality disorder. First you deny that your team has any hold backs. Deny! Deny! Deny! Then you brag about having more holdbacks than anyone. Brag! Brag! Brag! Now you’ve flipped again and you’re denying again. Deny! Deny! Deny! Makeup your mind already, this is like a watching a ping pong ball match. Back and forth. Back and forth. You must drive wifey nuts!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 08:53 PM



Assuming you are not a DC Madlax parent, I’m sure you are correct. But that 12 year old is on the bottom half of your roster with 15 holdbacks in front of him, so poor kid never sees the field. Ours all start.
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What league are you referring to? Does this mean the league's age eligibility starts on January 1? Please post the league site www so I can look up the rules. LI leagues should change their eligibility to match what their own high schools, the rest of the country and USL is moving to.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 08:56 PM


You’re a funny little man, Madlax daddy. But I think you may have a personality disorder. First you deny that your team has any hold backs. Deny! Deny! Deny! Then you brag about having more holdbacks than anyone. Brag! Brag! Brag! Now you’ve flipped again and you’re denying again. Deny! Deny! Deny! Makeup your mind already, this is like a watching a ping pong ball match. Back and forth. Back and forth. You must drive wifey nuts!



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Facts are beyond you. Sorry you didn't make the travel team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correct. Like their new 6’1”, double holdback, midi-FO, behemoth, that played for the ‘23 DC Dogs last year. You know, the one that replaced their last 6’1” double holdback, behemoth that went back to being just a holdback, now playing with the ‘23s, which Madlax calls playing “up”. Probably the only team anywhere that refers to one of their holdback as playing “up”, in their fantasy world. Just the most visible example of the many Madlax players that should be mid way through their freshman year in high school right now. Does the abuse of a “grade based” based system, as opposed to an “age based” system, get any worse? Lets truly hope not. Absolutely despicable.


#24 is not a holdback, and he certainly is not a double holdback. I know because my kid played with him in Denver at WSYL last summer. He was probably the youngest kid there. Going to be rough for the rest of the 2024 teams, when Madlax has the two 6'1" kids on the same line. It used to be that #24 was the only big kid on that team. Not any more. They are huge now and I am told they just picked up another big time midi.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 10:26 PM

Um, you aren't helping. MadLax didn't have a team at WSYL because they couldn't field a team with enough age eligible players between their capital and dmv teams. That means they couldn't find 20 kids born after 9/1 from about 45 on the rosters to play. But #24 is on age and played on Next Level along with a few other MadLax kids. Of course, they told Next Level they would stay but lied outright to get to WSYL. Yes, scummy move.

But they aren't double holdbacks and every good tournament, NY schools, Mid-Atlantic schools and even USL Nationals have moved towards class based instead of age based. LI is lagging and the maniac posting is on the wrong side. He can continue to scream and shout but the age thing moved older a long time ago and won't be rolled back.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/14/19 10:42 PM

LI dads say what you want. Our boys can’t wait to keep kicking your boys up and down the field as we have for the past 4 years when they were all pre-pubescent! Now it just stands out even more how dominating it is to you guys. Get use to it bc your boys will always be behind. Tell Johnny to go to the carport and start doing some benching and curls with the cinderblocks (ps...make sure the car up on the jack doesn’t fall on him). Btw, my sons a winter 05 birthdate and he’s been rolling your kids for years as a starter. Give it up and go complain about something else. And here’s another tidbit for some parenting advise, try not to take these beatdowns that your boys are experiencing personally and don’t take it out on them. They really need to get use to being second best from here on out...it’s just reality.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 12:11 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI dads say what you want. Our boys can’t wait to keep kicking your boys up and down the field as we have for the past 4 years when they were all pre-pubescent! Now it just stands out even more how dominating it is to you guys. Get use to it bc your boys will always be behind. Tell Johnny to go to the carport and start doing some benching and curls with the cinderblocks (ps...make sure the car up on the jack doesn’t fall on him). Btw, my sons a winter 05 birthdate and he’s been rolling your kids for years as a starter. Give it up and go complain about something else. And here’s another tidbit for some parenting advise, try not to take these beatdowns that your boys are experiencing personally and don’t take it out on them. They really need to get use to being second best from here on out...it’s just reality.


Oh really??

Keep up the BS, but facts speak louder than BS...

2024 Long Island Express NLF 2018 National Champions, victorious over 2023/2022 Madlax DC.

Madlax plays down 2 years and still can’t win.

Pathetic slime.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.



A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.


This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.



Yeah. And the good freshman play HS varsity. So if your double holdbacks are as good as you say they are, they should be playing for their high school varsity team, not against a bunch of pre-puberty 7th grade children. Disgusting cheats




In the rare event that a prefirst kid is held back a second time, it wouldn't happen until the rest of the team starts 9th grade. That's when these kids change private schools and repeat 8th grade. So your pre puberty 7th graders are safe.


Thanks for the holdback tip, Madlax holdback parent. Much appreciated. I’m not up on the science (or is it an art) of holdbackdom, so I appreciate the information. But what about those exceptions like your new acquisition this year, the 6’1” midi/FO behemoth that played for the 2023 DC Dogs last year? That young “man” is 15 years old. Guess not all holdbacks play by the same rules. What would you call him, since he didn’t follow your rule?? A cheating double holdback??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 01:08 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
LI dads say what you want. Our boys can’t wait to keep kicking your boys up and down the field as we have for the past 4 years when they were all pre-pubescent! Now it just stands out even more how dominating it is to you guys. Get use to it bc your boys will always be behind. Tell Johnny to go to the carport and start doing some benching and curls with the cinderblocks (ps...make sure the car up on the jack doesn’t fall on him). Btw, my sons a winter 05 birthdate and he’s been rolling your kids for years as a starter. Give it up and go complain about something else. And here’s another tidbit for some parenting advise, try not to take these beatdowns that your boys are experiencing personally and don’t take it out on them. They really need to get use to being second best from here on out...it’s just reality.


Oh really??

Keep up the BS, but facts speak louder than BS...

2024 Long Island Express NLF 2018 National Champions, victorious over 2023/2022 Madlax DC.

Madlax plays down 2 years and still can’t win.

Pathetic slime.




Still waiting for a Madlax response to this...

Facts are pretty hard to spin, huh? How bout this... the sun was in their eyes, the balls were deflated, the boys were tired, the refs were against us (that’s always a great one!). If you need any more, let me know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 02:56 AM

Did you actually watch the game on ESPN? They didn't have the names of at least 3 of the players on Express because they were added specifically for that game at the last minute. Don't think those same boys showed up in Delaware in November where the "same" Express team got rolled by Madlax. Now that I think of it, Taz also got rolled at that tournament. But I heard a lot of their boys have bolted for the Wolfpack. Would be nice if those guys showed up now and again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 03:01 AM

Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.


2024 Long Island Express - 2018 NLF National Champions vs 2023/2022 Madlax DC - July 2018
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.


I don’t know anything about WP or Taz, but my kid s 24 Express team beat your holdbacks in the last NLF tourney of the summer last year. Is that recent enough for you? What do you have to say about that? But seriously, why doesn’t Madlax ever play on age. Playing all your games down is gutless.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.


I don’t know anything about WP or Taz, but my kid s 24 Express team beat your holdbacks in the last NLF tourney of the summer last year. Is that recent enough for you? What do you have to say about that? But seriously, why doesn’t Madlax ever play on age. Playing all your games down is gutless.


Sure is. What would happen if Madlax ever played on age, would your kids cry? Pee their little holdback pull-ups? Go running home to mommy??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.


I don’t know anything about WP or Taz, but my kid s 24 Express team beat your holdbacks in the last NLF tourney of the summer last year. Is that recent enough for you? What do you have to say about that? But seriously, why doesn’t Madlax ever play on age. Playing all your games down is gutless.


A lot of teams are comprised of various age levels. Until it's regulated, there is nothing we can do about it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 11:20 PM

I'm not sue why this kid continues to scream about holdbacks? The 2 leagues follow distinctly different rules and eligibility. It's time to move on.
Posted By: BOTC_EVENTS

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 11:28 PM

Let's stop discussing holdbacks and discuss about other things pertaining to the 2024 grads.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/15/19 11:33 PM

So right, Express beat Madlax at NLF....congrats. And then Madlax destroyed them in Delaware at the NAL in November....or did you forget the second half of the question. Remind me how many times Express has beaten Madlax again?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/16/19 12:38 AM



Originally Posted by Anonymous
So right, Express beat Madlax at NLF....congrats. And then Madlax destroyed them in Delaware at the NAL in November....or did you forget the second half of the question. Remind me how many times Express has beaten Madlax again?



Correct. Express wins. Then Madlax wins. Then Express wins. That's what happens when competitive teams play each other. No argument there. In fact, no argument at all. Just the same question. Why isn't a team with 2023 aged kids, with some 2022's thrown in, a whole lot better than they are?? We know you can play down and compete with 2024 aged teams, for now anyway (that will change soon enough). But, with an older team like that, none of these games should be remotely competitive. What's the problem? Here's another question, why is a 2024 team, with 2023 and 2022 aged kids, playing in the 2024 bracket at all? Wouldn't you want to play up, albeit on-age, to challenge yourselves?? I guess it's really not playing up, since you'd be playing kids your own age (ok, you'd have a few kids that would be older), but at least you wouldn't be playing down every game. Are your kids afraid to play kids their own age? Is that the problem?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/16/19 01:19 AM

1. There are no 2022 aged kids on Madlax 2024.

2. About 1/3 of Madlax plays private, the rest are public school kids

3. Madlax kids are from DC, not Baltimore.

4. DC based private schools have 5 year old kindergartners, not 6 year olds

5. By your math, Madlax 24 kids would be 19 years old before the beginning of their sr year of high school. That's not possible or allowed.

Sorry your team loses to Madlax 24. Trust me that the only ones who care are lacrosse dads. You guys look silly.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/16/19 03:18 AM

I'm sorry. How many times has Express beaten Madlax? Once. So this whole thing about we beat you, you beat us, we beat you, you beat us, really doesn't hold. Express has beaten Madlax once....at NLF. Again, if you don't want to play in 2024 tournaments, don't sign up. Look for some 13U tournaments. Right, the only one of those is WSYL. Good luck there. I'm sure the Wolfpack will clean your clocks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/16/19 03:21 AM

Just wait until 2020, when 24 comes back and teams up with the beast and other mid.....the LI dads will go beserk!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/16/19 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.


I don’t know anything about WP or Taz, but my kid s 24 Express team beat your holdbacks in the last NLF tourney of the summer last year. Is that recent enough for you? What do you have to say about that? But seriously, why doesn’t Madlax ever play on age. Playing all your games down is gutless.


Sure is. What would happen if Madlax ever played on age, would your kids cry? Pee their little holdback pull-ups? Go running home to mommy??



Sorry to intrude on this two way conversation but I can add that I have watched many 2024 Madlax players who also play outside of Madlax tournaments. I really do not know and do not care about the DOB's of these players but if the 2024 kids are really older than they are an average to below average 2023 team. Look at the box league this winter, Mclean box league, fall brawl, NVYLL 14U, or other times where many of these kids play outside of Madlax. They are not the best players in middle school. Some of the older DC Dogs players are top 8th graders but they are also older than the other 8th graders so they do not play in these age restricted leagues and events. The 2024 players do but certainly do not dominate on age 8th graders.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/16/19 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.


I don’t know anything about WP or Taz, but my kid s 24 Express team beat your holdbacks in the last NLF tourney of the summer last year. Is that recent enough for you? What do you have to say about that? But seriously, why doesn’t Madlax ever play on age. Playing all your games down is gutless.


Sure is. What would happen if Madlax ever played on age, would your kids cry? Pee their little holdback pull-ups? Go running home to mommy??



Sorry to intrude on this two way conversation but I can add that I have watched many 2024 Madlax players who also play outside of Madlax tournaments. I really do not know and do not care about the DOB's of these players but if the 2024 kids are really older than they are an average to below average 2023 team. Look at the box league this winter, Mclean box league, fall brawl, NVYLL 14U, or other times where many of these kids play outside of Madlax. They are not the best players in middle school. Some of the older DC Dogs players are top 8th graders but they are also older than the other 8th graders so they do not play in these age restricted leagues and events. The 2024 players do but certainly do not dominate on age 8th graders.


Ok one little question. If you see Madlax Cap 2024 players playing in NVYLL then they are not as old as people try to say they are. NVYLL is a age based league. So what level are the on age players for 2024 playing in 14U or 12U ? If everyone is playing in 14U then they are all no more then 24 months apart at the very most? But if you are telling me the on age kids play 12U and the Madlax kids play 14U then they could be a lot older LOL?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/17/19 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.


I don’t know anything about WP or Taz, but my kid s 24 Express team beat your holdbacks in the last NLF tourney of the summer last year. Is that recent enough for you? What do you have to say about that? But seriously, why doesn’t Madlax ever play on age. Playing all your games down is gutless.


Sure is. What would happen if Madlax ever played on age, would your kids cry? Pee their little holdback pull-ups? Go running home to mommy??



Sorry to intrude on this two way conversation but I can add that I have watched many 2024 Madlax players who also play outside of Madlax tournaments. I really do not know and do not care about the DOB's of these players but if the 2024 kids are really older than they are an average to below average 2023 team. Look at the box league this winter, Mclean box league, fall brawl, NVYLL 14U, or other times where many of these kids play outside of Madlax. They are not the best players in middle school. Some of the older DC Dogs players are top 8th graders but they are also older than the other 8th graders so they do not play in these age restricted leagues and events. The 2024 players do but certainly do not dominate on age 8th graders.


Ok one little question. If you see Madlax Cap 2024 players playing in NVYLL then they are not as old as people try to say they are. NVYLL is a age based league. So what level are the on age players for 2024 playing in 14U or 12U ? If everyone is playing in 14U then they are all no more then 24 months apart at the very most? But if you are telling me the on age kids play 12U and the Madlax kids play 14U then they could be a lot older LOL?

I guess when your players are not the correct age it can be confusing. For the rest of us it is very easy. NVYLL even has a birth date chart to assist. But, let me spell it out for you. This is a 2024 group so none of them would be 12U that would have been last season. 12U is 5th and 6th grade division and 14U is 7th and 8th graders. Since last spring there was a Mclean box fall league, fall brawl tournament, Madlax box league and there will be NVYLL this spring. There have been and will be Madlax kids in each of these. The 2024 team should all be in 7th grade and playing 14U. Funny thing is that Madlax 2023's for the most part do not play in any of these events as they have already aged out? Many 2024's do play in Mclean league, Fall Brawl, Madlax box (their own league) and NVYLL. These are all age based. When playing true on age teams in the 14U Div. the Madlax players do not seem to dominate these leagues. They should be younger 7th graders and may next year but they will be the best but this fall and this year they did not. The 8th grade Madlax players for the most part to not participate in these leagues. Mainly because the 8th grade team is mostly a MD team. However even look at the Madlax box league which is open to on age 7th and 8th graders where VLC and Cavalier 8th graders are the top teams. If Madlax 2024 is comprised of older players (I have zero knowledge to verify this) then they would be average at best if they played other 2023 teams in the area.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/17/19 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.


I don’t know anything about WP or Taz, but my kid s 24 Express team beat your holdbacks in the last NLF tourney of the summer last year. Is that recent enough for you? What do you have to say about that? But seriously, why doesn’t Madlax ever play on age. Playing all your games down is gutless.


Sure is. What would happen if Madlax ever played on age, would your kids cry? Pee their little holdback pull-ups? Go running home to mommy??



Sorry to intrude on this two way conversation but I can add that I have watched many 2024 Madlax players who also play outside of Madlax tournaments. I really do not know and do not care about the DOB's of these players but if the 2024 kids are really older than they are an average to below average 2023 team. Look at the box league this winter, Mclean box league, fall brawl, NVYLL 14U, or other times where many of these kids play outside of Madlax. They are not the best players in middle school. Some of the older DC Dogs players are top 8th graders but they are also older than the other 8th graders so they do not play in these age restricted leagues and events. The 2024 players do but certainly do not dominate on age 8th graders.


Ok one little question. If you see Madlax Cap 2024 players playing in NVYLL then they are not as old as people try to say they are. NVYLL is a age based league. So what level are the on age players for 2024 playing in 14U or 12U ? If everyone is playing in 14U then they are all no more then 24 months apart at the very most? But if you are telling me the on age kids play 12U and the Madlax kids play 14U then they could be a lot older LOL?

I guess when your players are not the correct age it can be confusing. For the rest of us it is very easy. NVYLL even has a birth date chart to assist. But, let me spell it out for you. This is a 2024 group so none of them would be 12U that would have been last season. 12U is 5th and 6th grade division and 14U is 7th and 8th graders. Since last spring there was a Mclean box fall league, fall brawl tournament, Madlax box league and there will be NVYLL this spring. There have been and will be Madlax kids in each of these. The 2024 team should all be in 7th grade and playing 14U. Funny thing is that Madlax 2023's for the most part do not play in any of these events as they have already aged out? Many 2024's do play in Mclean league, Fall Brawl, Madlax box (their own league) and NVYLL. These are all age based. When playing true on age teams in the 14U Div. the Madlax players do not seem to dominate these leagues. They should be younger 7th graders and may next year but they will be the best but this fall and this year they did not. The 8th grade Madlax players for the most part to not participate in these leagues. Mainly because the 8th grade team is mostly a MD team. However even look at the Madlax box league which is open to on age 7th and 8th graders where VLC and Cavalier 8th graders are the top teams. If Madlax 2024 is comprised of older players (I have zero knowledge to verify this) then they would be average at best if they played other 2023 teams in the area.
The true 2024 players play on LI . NO DOUBT.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/17/19 08:28 PM

I took a look at the MadLax box league but am not sure how to decipher it. Is the junior elite 7/8 and future elite 5/6? I don't see a MadLax team entered but I do see the VLC and Cavs. I find it hard to believe CM would have a league that is age based unless no one would enter without that restriction. It also appears as if the CBLL teams have some kids from ML but they are not tied to the specific team roster so maybe not a good comparison of organized fall tournament/spring team for the clubs. The CBLL teams look like a mix of ML, individual sign ups and perhaps friends grouping together.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/17/19 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just wait until 2020, when 24 comes back and teams up with the beast and other mid.....the LI dads will go beserk!


That’s where you’re wrong. Again. We like playing the MD holdback teams. Great for our kids. Competitive games. Just don’t know why you play 12/13 year old teams. For me, I always wanted my kid to play up. He’s good enough, but too small, so reluctantly he has stayed on grade. It never entered my mind for him to ever play down. Why would I do that? The more he is challenged, within reason, the better for his development. Common sense. I was shocked the first time I went to MD for a tourney and learned that most of the kids were a year older than my kid, and playing down. Why would anyone do that, I thought. Absolutely the worst thing for a kids development. Do MD teams need T-shirt’s that badly. Still blows my mind how prevalent it is in MD, and how some teams, like Madlax, take it to the extreme.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/17/19 09:57 PM

Hey LI kid, I know of at least 4 holdbacks on your team. And you'll be cut from next year's team as they bring on more. As an LI Dad, I know this is happening more and more up here it's just that the school start date is a little later so there is a 3 month younger difference in our holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/17/19 10:02 PM

I took a look at the MadLax box league but am not sure how to decipher it. Is the junior elite 7/8 and future elite 5/6? I don't see a MadLax team entered but I do see the VLC and Cavs. I find it hard to believe CM would have a league that is age based unless no one would enter without that restriction. It also appears as if the CBLL teams have some kids from ML but they are not tied to the specific team roster so maybe not a good comparison of organized fall tournament/spring team for the clubs. The CBLL teams look like a mix of ML, individual sign ups and perhaps friends grouping together.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/17/19 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just wait until 2020, when 24 comes back and teams up with the beast and other mid.....the LI dads will go beserk!


That’s where you’re wrong. Again. We like playing the MD holdback teams. Great for our kids. Competitive games. Just don’t know why you play 12/13 year old teams. For me, I always wanted my kid to play up. He’s good enough, but too small, so reluctantly he has stayed on grade. It never entered my mind for him to ever play down. Why would I do that? The more he is challenged, within reason, the better for his development. Common sense. I was shocked the first time I went to MD for a tourney and learned that most of the kids were a year older than my kid, and playing down. Why would anyone do that, I thought. Absolutely the worst thing for a kids development. Do MD teams need T-shirt’s that badly. Still blows my mind how prevalent it is in MD, and how some teams, like Madlax, take it to the extreme.


I don’t think I’m giving any secrets away when I say, yes, it’s a big problem down here. Given the choice, most people would prefer an age based system. But it is what it is. And it’s not going to change. But please don’t lump all teams into the ML category. They have a very unique situation in DC, since they all go to private’s, many/most of whom start K late. Typical teams have a lot of holdbacks it’s true, but nothing like that team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/17/19 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.


I don’t know anything about WP or Taz, but my kid s 24 Express team beat your holdbacks in the last NLF tourney of the summer last year. Is that recent enough for you? What do you have to say about that? But seriously, why doesn’t Madlax ever play on age. Playing all your games down is gutless.


Sure is. What would happen if Madlax ever played on age, would your kids cry? Pee their little holdback pull-ups? Go running home to mommy??



Sorry to intrude on this two way conversation but I can add that I have watched many 2024 Madlax players who also play outside of Madlax tournaments. I really do not know and do not care about the DOB's of these players but if the 2024 kids are really older than they are an average to below average 2023 team. Look at the box league this winter, Mclean box league, fall brawl, NVYLL 14U, or other times where many of these kids play outside of Madlax. They are not the best players in middle school. Some of the older DC Dogs players are top 8th graders but they are also older than the other 8th graders so they do not play in these age restricted leagues and events. The 2024 players do but certainly do not dominate on age 8th graders.


Ok one little question. If you see Madlax Cap 2024 players playing in NVYLL then they are not as old as people try to say they are. NVYLL is a age based league. So what level are the on age players for 2024 playing in 14U or 12U ? If everyone is playing in 14U then they are all no more then 24 months apart at the very most? But if you are telling me the on age kids play 12U and the Madlax kids play 14U then they could be a lot older LOL?

I guess when your players are not the correct age it can be confusing. For the rest of
it is very easy. NVYLL even has a birth date chart to assist. But, let me spell it out for you. This is a 2024 group so none of them would be 12U that would have been last season. 12U is 5th and 6th grade division and 14U is 7th and 8th graders. Since last spring there was a Mclean box fall league, fall brawl tournament, Madlax box league and there will be NVYLL this spring. There have been and will be Madlax kids in each of these. The 2024 team should all be in 7th grade and playing 14U. Funny thing is that Madlax 2023's for the most part do not play in any of these events as they have already aged out? Many 2024's do play in Mclean league, Fall Brawl, Madlax box (their own league) and NVYLL. These are all age based. When playing true on age teams in the 14U Div. the Madlax players do not seem to dominate these leagues. They should be younger 7th graders and may next year but they will be the best but this fall and this year they did not. The 8th grade Madlax players for the most part to not participate in these leagues. Mainly because the 8th grade team is mostly a MD team. However even look at the Madlax box league which is open to on age 7th and 8th graders where VLC and Cavalier 8th graders are the top teams. If Madlax 2024 is comprised of older players (I have zero knowledge to verify this) then they would be average at best if they played other 2023 teams in the area.


And next year there will be no Madlax players, as they will be aged out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/18/19 06:48 PM

Most Madlax 2024 kids don't play rec. Madlax 2024 coach tries to forbid it. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't know a single Madlax 2024 Capital kid that plays rec box. Some of the orange helmets that you saw may have been DMV kids. When Madlax 2024 Capital kids play rec, they mostly do it for kicks and extra reps and miss more games than they make. Also they are usually on an island surrounded by non-club kids. Madlax 2024 is not like Cavalier and some of the other Virginia clubs that will take their entire club team and also enter it as a rec team. But even when programs like Cavalier do this, there are some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall. If I remember correctly, Madlax 2024 beat Cavalier 2023 not that long ago.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/18/19 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most Madlax 2024 kids don't play rec. Madlax 2024 coach tries to forbid it. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't know a single Madlax 2024 Capital kid that plays rec box. Some of the orange helmets that you saw may have been DMV kids. When Madlax 2024 Capital kids play rec, they mostly do it for kicks and extra reps and miss more games than they make. Also they are usually on an island surrounded by non-club kids. Madlax 2024 is not like Cavalier and some of the other Virginia clubs that will take their entire club team and also enter it as a rec team. But even when programs like Cavalier do this, there are some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall. If I remember correctly, Madlax 2024 beat Cavalier 2023 not that long ago.



"some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall."

You may have attended a different event. The fall brawl was at Robinson HS. There were no Madlax 2024 kids on the top teams maybe in the B bracket?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/18/19 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most Madlax 2024 kids don't play rec. Madlax 2024 coach tries to forbid it. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't know a single Madlax 2024 Capital kid that plays rec box. Some of the orange helmets that you saw may have been DMV kids. When Madlax 2024 Capital kids play rec, they mostly do it for kicks and extra reps and miss more games than they make. Also they are usually on an island surrounded by non-club kids. Madlax 2024 is not like Cavalier and some of the other Virginia clubs that will take their entire club team and also enter it as a rec team. But even when programs like Cavalier do this, there are some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall. If I remember correctly, Madlax 2024 beat Cavalier 2023 not that long ago.


There are plenty of kids playing. They are interspersed among the cbll teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/18/19 09:07 PM

Why did the Madlax kid who played for the DC Dogs 2023 team reclass at 7th grade? Would think he would wait until next year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/18/19 09:12 PM

Where did the 7 new Madlax holdbacks come from? Heard that some were from BL. Not sure that’s correct though.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/18/19 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most Madlax 2024 kids don't play rec. Madlax 2024 coach tries to forbid it. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't know a single Madlax 2024 Capital kid that plays rec box. Some of the orange helmets that you saw may have been DMV kids. When Madlax 2024 Capital kids play rec, they mostly do it for kicks and extra reps and miss more games than they make. Also they are usually on an island surrounded by non-club kids. Madlax 2024 is not like Cavalier and some of the other Virginia clubs that will take their entire club team and also enter it as a rec team. But even when programs like Cavalier do this, there are some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall. If I remember correctly, Madlax 2024 beat Cavalier 2023 not that long ago.



"some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall."

You may have attended a different event. The fall brawl was at Robinson HS. There were no Madlax 2024 kids on the top teams maybe in the B bracket?


Talking about same event. If I remember correctly, the team that I am thinking of swept pool play, won braveheart in semifinal, and was leading by several goals with minutes to go in final when they blew lead.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/18/19 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most Madlax 2024 kids don't play rec. Madlax 2024 coach tries to forbid it. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't know a single Madlax 2024 Capital kid that plays rec box. Some of the orange helmets that you saw may have been DMV kids. When Madlax 2024 Capital kids play rec, they mostly do it for kicks and extra reps and miss more games than they make. Also they are usually on an island surrounded by non-club kids. Madlax 2024 is not like Cavalier and some of the other Virginia clubs that will take their entire club team and also enter it as a rec team. But even when programs like Cavalier do this, there are some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall. If I remember correctly, Madlax 2024 beat Cavalier 2023 not that long ago.


There are plenty of kids playing. They are interspersed among the cbll teams.


CBLL is not rec
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 12:37 AM

"CBLL is not rec"

What is it? PP said there were no ML kids playing in the rec box league and there are unless the ML box league isn't considered rec.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 03:51 AM

Still waiting for a response to the question that I have posted several times now, directed to any Madlax parent.

WHY DOES MADLAX PLAY DOWN FOR ALL THEIR GAMES?

Here is one more. Since the Madlax DC plays down, I assume the Madlax DC 2025 also plays down. So how about you get that team to go to the WSYL, since they should be age eligible, for the most part. What am I thinking! That would never work, since then they wouldn’t be playing down. They wouldnt even qualify. Sorry. Your age-game always screws me up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most Madlax 2024 kids don't play rec. Madlax 2024 coach tries to forbid it. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't know a single Madlax 2024 Capital kid that plays rec box. Some of the orange helmets that you saw may have been DMV kids. When Madlax 2024 Capital kids play rec, they mostly do it for kicks and extra reps and miss more games than they make. Also they are usually on an island surrounded by non-club kids. Madlax 2024 is not like Cavalier and some of the other Virginia clubs that will take their entire club team and also enter it as a rec team. But even when programs like Cavalier do this, there are some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall. If I remember correctly, Madlax 2024 beat Cavalier 2023 not that long ago.



"some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall."

You may have attended a different event. The fall brawl was at Robinson HS. There were no Madlax 2024 kids on the top teams maybe in the B bracket?


Talking about same event. If I remember correctly, the team that I am thinking of swept pool play, won braveheart in semifinal, and was leading by several goals with minutes to go in final when they blew lead.

So if you were at this event explain how Madlax 2024 players run circles around NVA 8th graders? The best MCLean kids were Next Level and VLC and they did not win.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most Madlax 2024 kids don't play rec. Madlax 2024 coach tries to forbid it. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't know a single Madlax 2024 Capital kid that plays rec box. Some of the orange helmets that you saw may have been DMV kids. When Madlax 2024 Capital kids play rec, they mostly do it for kicks and extra reps and miss more games than they make. Also they are usually on an island surrounded by non-club kids. Madlax 2024 is not like Cavalier and some of the other Virginia clubs that will take their entire club team and also enter it as a rec team. But even when programs like Cavalier do this, there are some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall. If I remember correctly, Madlax 2024 beat Cavalier 2023 not that long ago.



"some Madlax on-age 7th graders that can run circles around the Cavalier and other Virginia 8th grade teams. Saw it first hand at Fall Brawl this last fall."

You may have attended a different event. The fall brawl was at Robinson HS. There were no Madlax 2024 kids on the top teams maybe in the B bracket?


Talking about same event. If I remember correctly, the team that I am thinking of swept pool play, won braveheart in semifinal, and was leading by several goals with minutes to go in final when they blew lead.

So if you were at this event explain how Madlax 2024 players run circles around NVA 8th graders? The best MCLean kids were Next Level and VLC and they did not win.


What you’re forgetting is Madlax 7th graders are the age of 8th graders.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why did the Madlax kid who played for the DC Dogs 2023 team reclass at 7th grade? Would think he would wait until next year.


The organization sold the family on doing it now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 02:27 PM

There's a few ML 2024 kids that played fall McLean box lacrosse - made almost every game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 02:37 PM

Not ML parent here - there's a few kids on the very good ML 2025 capital team who are correctly aged 6th graders - they do have some big defensemen though. The really bad 2025/26 DVM team has a developmental 2024 player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not ML parent here - there's a few kids on the very good ML 2025 capital team who are correctly aged 6th graders - they do have some big defensemen though. The really bad 2025/26 DVM team has a developmental 2024 player.


For a class based league or tournament, correctly aged means any kid in the 6th grade born after 8/30/2005. This means he will have 4 years of egibility during high school until graduation. The USL and a good amount of clubs in the U.S. differ on this and the 2 sets of rules are wildly different from age to contact and more.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not ML parent here - there's a few kids on the very good ML 2025 capital team who are correctly aged 6th graders - they do have some big defensemen though. The really bad 2025/26 DVM team has a developmental 2024 player.


Take it to the Madlax forum, we've heard enough. They (2024) aren't that good. They didn't win their spring division in MD, holdbacks or not and didn't win Elite 8.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/19/19 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where did the 7 new Madlax holdbacks come from? Heard that some were from BL. Not sure that’s correct though.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why did the Madlax kid who played for the DC Dogs 2023 team reclass at 7th grade? Would think he would wait until next year.


The organization sold the family on doing it now.


I don’t know, but their old big midi told my kid that they have seven more this year, so that appears to be accurate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/23/19 12:33 PM

How many kids born after 8/30/2005 are in 6th grade now? These are 2024s
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/24/19 06:37 PM

As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/24/19 10:35 PM

What you propose makes sense except HoCo has different divisions based on skills. The biggest offenders of the double holdbacks are the clubs who are well known for this practice. If you are truly concerned, you should go to your club and ask to play in a lower level. There is no shame for wanting to play against equal competition and everyone knows those clubs are the worst practitioners.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 03:50 AM

Funny considering my son is an on age player for madlax 24 capital and played in the fall brawl and ran circles around most of the 23s from Braddock rd and Cavs/VLC. Total joke! And like the previous post stated, most of the better madlax 24s don’t even play Rec in VA. And lastly, the Cbll can’t be used for any sort of comparison. Over 50% of the 24 madlax Capital team doesn’t play box at all and most of the the ones that do play box only play for the NorthStars team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny considering my son is an on age player for madlax 24 capital and played in the fall brawl and ran circles around most of the 23s from Braddock rd and Cavs/VLC. Total joke! And like the previous post stated, most of the better madlax 24s don’t even play Rec in VA. And lastly, the Cbll can’t be used for any sort of comparison. Over 50% of the 24 madlax Capital team doesn’t play box at all and most of the the ones that do play box only play for the NorthStars team.
the problem is you do not know what on age is. being 14 turning 15 is not on age. So please!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny considering my son is an on age player for madlax 24 capital and played in the fall brawl and ran circles around most of the 23s from Braddock rd and Cavs/VLC. Total joke! And like the previous post stated, most of the better madlax 24s don’t even play Rec in VA. And lastly, the Cbll can’t be used for any sort of comparison. Over 50% of the 24 madlax Capital team doesn’t play box at all and most of the the ones that do play box only play for the NorthStars team.
the problem is you do not know what on age is. being 14 turning 15 is not on age. So please!!!


oh please. if the kid played in fall brawl then he was on age USL.
but oh please. if 50% of ML capital didn't play box then they probably weren't USL on age.

Remember, ML couldn't field a team to try and qualify for WSYL from over 50 kids on the 2 teams. And ML, and others in the elite division at HoCo, play double holdbacks. Ridonkulous.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny considering my son is an on age player for madlax 24 capital and played in the fall brawl and ran circles around most of the 23s from Braddock rd and Cavs/VLC. Total joke! And like the previous post stated, most of the better madlax 24s don’t even play Rec in VA. And lastly, the Cbll can’t be used for any sort of comparison. Over 50% of the 24 madlax Capital team doesn’t play box at all and most of the the ones that do play box only play for the NorthStars team.
the problem is you do not know what on age is. being 14 turning 15 is not on age. So please!!!


oh please. if the kid played in fall brawl then he was on age USL.
but oh please. if 50% of ML capital didn't play box then they probably weren't USL on age.

Remember, ML couldn't field a team to try and qualify for WSYL from over 50 kids on the 2 teams. And ML, and others in the elite division at HoCo, play double holdbacks. Ridonkulous.

Does it make you feel good to make things up an an anonymous site? Maybe you are not the real dad because anyone with any pride would not make up statements. There was NO kid at Fall Brawl who "ran circles" around the Braddock road team. They won the tournament. I was at the game and did not think there was any real standout on any team. There were some good players but no kid ran circles around the other players. If your kid was on the Mclean team the best kids were the Next Level kid, the VLC tall defender and the DC Dog kid. The team with Madlax players did NOT win so there is that. Kudos to him if he is younger but he would be an average 8th grade player at the AAA level. Many of the kids on all sides even the winning side have '05 birthdays.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


So you grand solution to the holdback problem is to eliminate the double holdbacks, but holdbacks are fine?? Really?? By definition, that does nothing for the holdback issue.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


So you grand solution to the holdback problem is to eliminate the double holdbacks, but holdbacks are fine?? Really?? By definition, that does nothing for the holdback issue.


You will always have kids that are older no matter what system you follow. If you use calendar year, or 9/1 age, then there will always be kids that are up to 364 days older. At least if you follow the AAU model, kids are in a tighter age range than they otherwise would be. It is the best of both worlds. You are never going to get clubs to go back to age based, so you are wasting your breath on that argument. That ship has sailed. Grade is much easier for clubs and recruiting. You don't have kids flip-flopping between age brackets. They just move up together and gel as a team. They stay with their friends from school and teammates from other grade based teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 11:12 PM

Don't argue with these NY donks. The current class based system works well and that's why the wide majority of the country uses it. The AAU model is a good one but the top clubs won't impose it upon themselves and the HoCo is a collective of clubs and the clubs make the rules. It's up to the clubs to institute a rule like this.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/26/19 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't argue with these NY donks. The current class based system works well and that's why the wide majority of the country uses it. The AAU model is a good one but the top clubs won't impose it upon themselves and the HoCo is a collective of clubs and the clubs make the rules. It's up to the clubs to institute a rule like this.


You guys aren’t thinking this through. If the double holdbacks are eliminated, how is MD and especially DC suppose to compete with true on age Long Island teams, with only one year holdbacks? C’mon now, people. You gotta think through these things.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/26/19 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.


This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


So you grand solution to the holdback problem is to eliminate the double holdbacks, but holdbacks are fine?? Really?? By definition, that does nothing for the holdback issue.




You will always have kids that are older no matter what system you follow. If you use calendar year, or 9/1 age, then there will always be kids that are up to 364 days older. At least if you follow the AAU model, kids are in a tighter age range than they otherwise would be. It is the best of both worlds. You are never going to get clubs to go back to age based, so you are wasting your breath on that argument. That ship has sailed. Grade is much easier for clubs and recruiting. You don't have kids flip-flopping between age brackets. They just move up together and gel as a team. They stay with their friends from school and teammates from other grade based teams.


Rising 8th graders are 12 and 13. You’re saying it’s ok for the kid to be 15 on the 2nd day of school, of 8th grade. That makes him a year and a half older than many on age kids. FYI that’s a holdback!! The thing you’re trying to eliminate. Remember? You MD people have a serious addiction problem with holdbacks. Gotta ween yourself off the drug? How bout going cold turkey. Change that 15 to a 14 and play true on age like the rest of the world.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/26/19 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.


This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


So you grand solution to the holdback problem is to eliminate the double holdbacks, but holdbacks are fine?? Really?? By definition, that does nothing for the holdback issue.




You will always have kids that are older no matter what system you follow. If you use calendar year, or 9/1 age, then there will always be kids that are up to 364 days older. At least if you follow the AAU model, kids are in a tighter age range than they otherwise would be. It is the best of both worlds. You are never going to get clubs to go back to age based, so you are wasting your breath on that argument. That ship has sailed. Grade is much easier for clubs and recruiting. You don't have kids flip-flopping between age brackets. They just move up together and gel as a team. They stay with their friends from school and teammates from other grade based teams.


Rising 8th graders are 12 and 13. You’re saying it’s ok for the kid to be 15 on the 2nd day of school, of 8th grade. That makes him a year and a half older than many on age kids. FYI that’s a holdback!! The thing you’re trying to eliminate. Remember? You MD people have a serious addiction problem with holdbacks. Gotta ween yourself off the drug? How bout going cold turkey. Change that 15 to a 14 and play true on age like the rest of the world.


Sounds like you need to work on your reading comprehension and math. Go back and read the original email. If it helps read it really slowly. In HoCo area and most of the country the age cutoff is 9/1.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/26/19 09:38 PM

Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/26/19 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


Grade base is a joke in Youth in AAU BB, The better Youth teams dont follow grades. ...Most teams are age based in AAU BB YOUTH..HS varies depending on area. Youth Club Lacrosse in Maryland is cancer that is spreading out across the country. Holdbacks in Youth lacrosse is wrong. Common sense tells you that
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/26/19 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.


This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


So you grand solution to the holdback problem is to eliminate the double holdbacks, but holdbacks are fine?? Really?? By definition, that does nothing for the holdback issue.




You will always have kids that are older no matter what system you follow. If you use calendar year, or 9/1 age, then there will always be kids that are up to 364 days older. At least if you follow the AAU model, kids are in a tighter age range than they otherwise would be. It is the best of both worlds. You are never going to get clubs to go back to age based, so you are wasting your breath on that argument. That ship has sailed. Grade is much easier for clubs and recruiting. You don't have kids flip-flopping between age brackets. They just move up together and gel as a team. They stay with their friends from school and teammates from other grade based teams.


Rising 8th graders are 12 and 13. You’re saying it’s ok for the kid to be 15 on the 2nd day of school, of 8th grade. That makes him a year and a half older than many on age kids. FYI that’s a holdback!! The thing you’re trying to eliminate. Remember? You MD people have a serious addiction problem with holdbacks. Gotta ween yourself off the drug? How bout going cold turkey. Change that 15 to a 14 and play true on age like the rest of the world.


Sounds like you need to work on your reading comprehension and math. Go back and read the original email. If it helps read it really slowly. In HoCo area and most of the country the age cutoff is 9/1.


Hilarious..Yea..Lets let the one year holdbacks cheat, but Double Holdbacks..Sorry..Only ONE year of Cheating for You! LOL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Really Madlax-double-holdback-dad? Is your kid the former ‘23 DC Dogs 6’1” 170 pounder? Or maybe he is 12? LMAO!

LI has more holdbacks? Just once, could you make a mature comment that doesn’t sound like it was made by one of your holdbacks?

Right after the on age LI teams dominate the 2023/2022 MD teams, they will be headed to the 13U World Series of Youth Lacrosse to defend their thrown as the best 2024 team in the world. All 100% 13U non-cheating players. NO HOLD BACKS!! UNDERSTAND DUMBA$$?? What will the 60 Madlax players be doing that week? They will be watching the best 2024 players in the world, that what. NO HOLDBACKS. NONE.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Then why are the LI teams going to the WSYL and none of the MD DC teams are? How is it possible out of the thousands of 2024 club players in MD and DC, there isn’t 15 on-age kids, eligible to go to Denver, for potentially the biggest stage that most of these kids will ever play on. 15 kids?!! You don’t have 15 on age kids in all of MD and DC?? That seriously boggles the mind. Absolutely none of your 2024 teams have any on age kids. Cheating slime.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 11:23 AM

So what is your alternative? Is it - any delayed entry kid born before March 1 (approximate HoCo start date) will have to play in the class category above? Are you advocating the country goes back to strict calendar year to start school so all 8th graders could only be a maximum of 14 for the HoCo league? Is it to follow USL rules on participation?

Others have suggested going strictly by age where on a kid's birthday, they age up into the next group automatically. This way a kid will be the youngest and eventually be the oldest on the team.

Then you have to figure out how to get all the clubs and organizations to follow any change in a way that is to their benefit without financial or organizational pain. The clubs don't care because the older kids make their teams better. The colleges don't care because it is saving them the cost of red-shirting and they now have a better recruiting sense because all these holdbacks have matured and there are less surprises when they hit college. The parents don't care because they think they are doing what's best for their kids.

It's been a problem for a long time but the constant disruption on these threads don't move the needle.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


Grade base is a joke in Youth in AAU BB, The better Youth teams dont follow grades. ...Most teams are age based in AAU BB YOUTH..HS varies depending on area. Youth Club Lacrosse in Maryland is cancer that is spreading out across the country. Holdbacks in Youth lacrosse is wrong. Common sense tells you that


And middle school is where the difference is magnified 100X. The difference between a 12 year old pre-pubescent and a 15 year post-pubescent is the difference between “babies” and “men”. The 12 year old “babies” are 4’10” 99 lbs vs 6’ 1”+ 165 lbs+ 15 year old “men”. So these kids that should be playing high school varsity on a very high level, are competing against small 99 lb boys. How does it make any sense at all to put the two together. It’s a recipe for disaster. Somebody is going to get seriously hurt or possibly worse. And when that happens, and it will happen, the masses will say, how did any responsible adult knowingly let that happen? The proverbial LaxinItUp will hit the fan, and big time changes will happen very fast. But it’s unconscionsble that it’s going to take such a tragic event to make that happen, when anybody with a brain larger than the size of a pea, knows what is going on here is wrong!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Really Madlax-double-holdback-dad? Is your kid the former ‘23 DC Dogs 6’1” 170 pounder? Or maybe he is 12? LMAO!

LI has more holdbacks? Just once, could you make a mature comment that doesn’t sound like it was made by one of your holdbacks?

Right after the on age LI teams dominate the 2023/2022 MD teams, they will be headed to the 13U World Series of Youth Lacrosse to defend their thrown as the best 2024 team in the world. All 100% 13U non-cheating players. NO HOLD BACKS!! UNDERSTAND DUMBA$$?? What will the 60 Madlax players be doing that week? They will be watching the best 2024 players in the world, that what. NO HOLDBACKS. NONE.


Maybe we can get a reasonable answer for this, from a Madlax parent. Personally, I don’t think Madlax is all holdbacks. My best estimate is that the team is 2/3’s holdbacks. If that’s accuarate, since Madlax has two teams, there should be approximately 20 on-age players, between the two teams. Plenty of players to go to Denver. However, there is no team, so that indicates two things to me. 1. I’m wrong and the team is a lot more than 2/3’s holdbacks, or 2. The owners/coaches feel that these 20 players are subpar players. Which is it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 10:48 PM

Hi guys. Quick question for you. We all know about how bad the holdback problem is in MD. It’s bad. Holdbacks and double holdbacks. I don’t think anyone would disagree, the problem is an epidemic in MD. But let’s look at this objectively in the context of 2024. Some of these MD holdback teams (but not many) are able to compete with non-holdback teams from LI, only because they have these holdbacks. If the holdbacks don’t exist, common sense suggests that the MD teams will not be able to compete. How do you respond to that very legitimate question? No pot stirring here. Serious answers appreciated.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


Grade base is a joke in Youth in AAU BB, The better Youth teams dont follow grades. ...Most teams are age based in AAU BB YOUTH..HS varies depending on area. Youth Club Lacrosse in Maryland is cancer that is spreading out across the country. Holdbacks in Youth lacrosse is wrong. Common sense tells you that


And middle school is where the difference is magnified 100X. The difference between a 12 year old pre-pubescent and a 15 year post-pubescent is the difference between “babies” and “men”. The 12 year old “babies” are 4’10” 99 lbs vs 6’ 1”+ 165 lbs+ 15 year old “men”. So these kids that should be playing high school varsity on a very high level, are competing against small 99 lb boys. How does it make any sense at all to put the two together. It’s a recipe for disaster. Somebody is going to get seriously hurt or possibly worse. And when that happens, and it will happen, the masses will say, how did any responsible adult knowingly let that happen? The proverbial LaxinItUp will hit the fan, and big time changes will happen very fast. But it’s unconscionsble that it’s going to take such a tragic event to make that happen, when anybody with a brain larger than the size of a pea, knows what is going on here is wrong!



Provide an alternative with dates of eligibility.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Really Madlax-double-holdback-dad? Is your kid the former ‘23 DC Dogs 6’1” 170 pounder? Or maybe he is 12? LMAO!

LI has more holdbacks? Just once, could you make a mature comment that doesn’t sound like it was made by one of your holdbacks?

Right after the on age LI teams dominate the 2023/2022 MD teams, they will be headed to the 13U World Series of Youth Lacrosse to defend their thrown as the best 2024 team in the world. All 100% 13U non-cheating players. NO HOLD BACKS!! UNDERSTAND DUMBA$$?? What will the 60 Madlax players be doing that week? They will be watching the best 2024 players in the world, that what. NO HOLDBACKS. NONE.


Maybe we can get a reasonable answer for this, from a Madlax parent. Personally, I don’t think Madlax is all holdbacks. My best estimate is that the team is 2/3’s holdbacks. If that’s accuarate, since Madlax has two teams, there should be approximately 20 on-age players, between the two teams. Plenty of players to go to Denver. However, there is no team, so that indicates two things to me. 1. I’m wrong and the team is a lot more than 2/3’s holdbacks, or 2. The owners/coaches feel that these 20 players are subpar players. Which is it?



MadLax didn't have enough age eligible to field 1 team so #2 doesn't matter. Unfortunately, that's true and the kids they did have that were good played for Next Level last year. They then went back to ML.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is your alternative? Is it - any delayed entry kid born before March 1 (approximate HoCo start date) will have to play in the class category above? Are you advocating the country goes back to strict calendar year to start school so all 8th graders could only be a maximum of 14 for the HoCo league? Is it to follow USL rules on participation?

Others have suggested going strictly by age where on a kid's birthday, they age up into the next group automatically. This way a kid will be the youngest and eventually be the oldest on the team.

Then you have to figure out how to get all the clubs and organizations to follow any change in a way that is to their benefit without financial or organizational pain. The clubs don't care because the older kids make their teams better. The colleges don't care because it is saving them the cost of red-shirting and they now have a better recruiting sense because all these holdbacks have matured and there are less surprises when they hit college. The parents don't care because they think they are doing what's best for their kids.

It's been a problem for a long time but the constant disruption on these threads don't move the needle.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 11:36 PM

You really have a hard one for that Madlax team. Nobody cares but you. Don't you have any other interests.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 01:55 AM

LI took holdbacks to Denver. http://stats.pointstreak.com/players/players-team-roster.html?teamid=716604&seasonid=18397.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division
As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.

Grade base is a joke in Youth in AAU BB, The better Youth teams dont follow grades. ...Most teams are age based in AAU BB YOUTH..HS varies depending on area. Youth Club Lacrosse in Maryland is cancer that is spreading out across the country. Holdbacks in Youth lacrosse is wrong. Common sense tells you that

And middle school is where the difference is magnified 100X. The difference between a 12 year old pre-pubescent and a 15 year post-pubescent is the difference between “babies” and “men”. The 12 year old “babies” are 4’10” 99 lbs vs 6’ 1”+ 165 lbs+ 15 year old “men”. So these kids that should be playing high school varsity on a very high level, are competing against small 99 lb boys. How does it make any sense at all to put the two together. It’s a recipe for disaster. Somebody is going to get seriously hurt or possibly worse. And when that happens, and it will happen, the masses will say, how did any responsible adult knowingly let that happen? The proverbial LaxinItUp will hit the fan, and big time changes will happen very fast. But it’s unconscionsble that it’s going to take such a tragic event to make that happen, when anybody with a brain larger than the size of a pea, knows what is going on here is wrong!

Provide an alternative with dates of eligibility.


COMMON SENSE : Most Schools use Sept 1 ...USE THAT for Youth Lacrosse ( up to 8th grade) .. Somehow for 50 years YOUTH lacrosse survived based on Age until about 5 years ago when the Private school holdback/prefirst influence reared its ugly head.

Frankly the match that stated it was the ignorant people from HOCO ( who have children in Private schools) who started a GRADE base league instead of AGE based like ALL other leagues are in Howard County recreation Department.

HS is where you can get an your advantage. Common Sense.. HS is about grade and Youth is about AGE..Spin Away Prefirst/holdback apologists. More parents are reclassing/prefirst/holdback than ever before, Holdbacks are becoming an epidemic due to advantage in youth sports. Pretty Sad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 12:13 PM

I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 01:14 PM

In discussing top 2024 in the Mid Atlantic, don't forget Cavalier 2024. Inside Lacrosse ranks them #16 in the world.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLcCF1ADnW
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Largest Sport in World that recruits talent is by age, Soccer. Anyone with any sense or fairplay knows that youth sports should be by age.

Lacrosse is the only youth sport I know that is overrun with older kids at highest level playing against younger kids, and then claiming that same older players are superstars. Sad but Funny
Posted By: cltlax

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Provide an alternative with dates of eligibility.


COMMON SENSE : Most Schools use Sept 1 ...USE THAT for Youth Lacrosse ( up to 8th grade) .. Somehow for 50 years YOUTH lacrosse survived based on Age until about 5 years ago when the Private school holdback/prefirst influence reared its ugly head.

Frankly the match that stated it was the ignorant people from HOCO ( who have children in Private schools) who started a GRADE base league instead of AGE based like ALL other leagues are in Howard County recreation Department.

HS is where you can get an your advantage. Common Sense.. HS is about grade and Youth is about AGE..Spin Away Prefirst/holdback apologists. More parents are reclassing/prefirst/holdback than ever before, Holdbacks are becoming an epidemic due to advantage in youth sports. Pretty Sad


Got it. You are upset because you are no longer the oldest in your class and you want to beat up on the June through August kids.

If it's an age group instead of a class based why does it have to be September. I think it should go by calendar year so my January kid is the oldest and you are the youngest.

The only answer is exact birth date. A kid celebrates his 12th birthday, they move out of 11U and into 12U/13U. And if a kid ages out during HoCo then tough. Good luck in trying to implement it as the parents with kids born in September - November or holdbacks will never agree. The teams shout about team function (nonsense at the youth level) and there's just more paperwork involved so the tournaments and clubs don't want the hassle.

The double holdback, however, is absolutely outrageous. This is a kid who is born prior to the 9/1 date and is then held back sometime again. Some of it is due to learning or social problems but some of it is absolutely sports related.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by cltlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by cltlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


It's not a public league. It is managed by the county but paid for and rules instituted by the clubs. The pushback argument is there are different divisions from elite to A/B. If your team doesn't have older kids, they shouldn't be playing elite. There is no shame in asking to play against equal competition even though there is shame in double holdbacks scamming the system to get some weird advantage.

The clubs make the rules and not the county. Complain loudly to your club about double holdbacks and see what they say.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by cltlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Really Madlax-double-holdback-dad? Is your kid the former ‘23 DC Dogs 6’1” 170 pounder? Or maybe he is 12? LMAO!

LI has more holdbacks? Just once, could you make a mature comment that doesn’t sound like it was made by one of your holdbacks?

Right after the on age LI teams dominate the 2023/2022 MD teams, they will be headed to the 13U World Series of Youth Lacrosse to defend their thrown as the best 2024 team in the world. All 100% 13U non-cheating players. NO HOLD BACKS!! UNDERSTAND DUMBA$$?? What will the 60 Madlax players be doing that week? They will be watching the best 2024 players in the world, that what. NO HOLDBACKS. NONE.


Maybe we can get a reasonable answer for this, from a Madlax parent. Personally, I don’t think Madlax is all holdbacks. My best estimate is that the team is 2/3’s holdbacks. If that’s accuarate, since Madlax has two teams, there should be approximately 20 on-age players, between the two teams. Plenty of players to go to Denver. However, there is no team, so that indicates two things to me. 1. I’m wrong and the team is a lot more than 2/3’s holdbacks, or 2. The owners/coaches feel that these 20 players are subpar players. Which is it?



MadLax didn't have enough age eligible to field 1 team so #2 doesn't matter. Unfortunately, that's true and the kids they did have that were good played for Next Level last year. They then went back to ML.


Out of about sixty players on two teams, Madlax doesn’t have fifteen 2024-age kids on two 2024 teams. How is that even possible?? It’s a freak’n 2024 team without any 2024 age kids. Is there anyone, anywhere that doesn’t see the ludicrous in that? I really don’t see how any governing body can possibly allow such a thing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is your alternative? Is it - any delayed entry kid born before March 1 (approximate HoCo start date) will have to play in the class category above? Are you advocating the country goes back to strict calendar year to start school so all 8th graders could only be a maximum of 14 for the HoCo league? Is it to follow USL rules on participation?

Others have suggested going strictly by age where on a kid's birthday, they age up into the next group automatically. This way a kid will be the youngest and eventually be the oldest on the team.

Then you have to figure out how to get all the clubs and organizations to follow any change in a way that is to their benefit without financial or organizational pain. The clubs don't care because the older kids make their teams better. The colleges don't care because it is saving them the cost of red-shirting and they now have a better recruiting sense because all these holdbacks have matured and there are less surprises when they hit college. The parents don't care because they think they are doing what's best for their kids.

It's been a problem for a long time but the constant disruption on these threads don't move the needle.



Calendar year Jan 1 like all the other sports is the only solution that makes sense. There will always be bigger, stronger older looking kids out there, but it ends the disagreements and accusations.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
In discussing top 2024 in the Mid Atlantic, don't forget Cavalier 2024. Inside Lacrosse ranks them #16 in the world.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLcCF1ADnW


Cavalier not good. Glorified rec. Those rankings are a total joke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Largest Sport in World that recruits talent is by age, Soccer. Anyone with any sense or fairplay knows that youth sports should be by age.

Lacrosse is the only youth sport I know that is overrun with older kids at highest level playing against younger kids, and then claiming that same older players are superstars. Sad but Funny


I take it your kid is one of the kids getting "run" over. Get used to it. He is still going to be small in high school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Provide an alternative with dates of eligibility.


COMMON SENSE : Most Schools use Sept 1 ...USE THAT for Youth Lacrosse ( up to 8th grade) .. Somehow for 50 years YOUTH lacrosse survived based on Age until about 5 years ago when the Private school holdback/prefirst influence reared its ugly head.

Frankly the match that stated it was the ignorant people from HOCO ( who have children in Private schools) who started a GRADE base league instead of AGE based like ALL other leagues are in Howard County recreation Department.

HS is where you can get an your advantage. Common Sense.. HS is about grade and Youth is about AGE..Spin Away Prefirst/holdback apologists. More parents are reclassing/prefirst/holdback than ever before, Holdbacks are becoming an epidemic due to advantage in youth sports. Pretty Sad


Got it. You are upset because you are no longer the oldest in your class and you want to beat up on the June through August kids.

If it's an age group instead of a class based why does it have to be September. I think it should go by calendar year so my January kid is the oldest and you are the youngest.

The only answer is exact birth date. A kid celebrates his 12th birthday, they move out of 11U and into 12U/13U. And if a kid ages out during HoCo then tough. Good luck in trying to implement it as the parents with kids born in September - November or holdbacks will never agree. The teams shout about team function (nonsense at the youth level) and there's just more paperwork involved so the tournaments and clubs don't want the hassle.

The double holdback, however, is absolutely outrageous. This is a kid who is born prior to the 9/1 date and is then held back sometime again. Some of it is due to learning or social problems but some of it is absolutely sports related.


The only way to fix HoCo in a way that clubs will actually agree to is the AAU rules. They have been tested and they work in a sport that actually matters.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/28/19 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
The only way to fix HoCo in a way that clubs will actually agree to is the AAU rules. They have been tested and they work in a sport that actually matters.


Based on your post, I take it you've spoken to your club and they've agreed to it. Have they agreed to bring it up to HoCo, Team 91, DCE, BL, ML, Crabs and the others?

Let us know how that goes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 12:18 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Largest Sport in World that recruits talent is by age, Soccer. Anyone with any sense or fairplay knows that youth sports should be by age.

Lacrosse is the only youth sport I know that is overrun with older kids at highest level playing against younger kids, and then claiming that same older players are superstars. Sad but Funny


I take it your kid is one of the kids getting "run" over. Get used to it. He is still going to be small in high school.


Hey double holdback dad. You really think your behemoth son is getting better playing against little kids? If he had any potential he’d be on HS varsity right now, now wouldn’t he? I mean at 6’2” and 175 pounds, he’s bigger than practically every player on varsity. Yet you have him playing against small children. Is it a confidence problem. He’s afraid of kids his own age and size? Toughen the kid up! Time to throw out the binkie and the pull-ups, and become a big boy. By the way, those little boys that he is competing against, are growing up. Before long, they will be his size or larger. Then what’s your holdback going to do, go back to his blankie? Maybe you should hold on to the pull-ups, after all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In discussing top 2024 in the Mid Atlantic, don't forget Cavalier 2024. Inside Lacrosse ranks them #16 in the world.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLcCF1ADnW


Cavalier not good. Glorified rec. Those rankings are a total joke.


Cavalier isn't even in Elite division of HoCo. Heck, Breakers is #19 on this bogus ranking and
lost every game last year in HoCo Elite.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Largest Sport in World that recruits talent is by age, Soccer. Anyone with any sense or fairplay knows that youth sports should be by age.

Lacrosse is the only youth sport I know that is overrun with older kids at highest level playing against younger kids, and then claiming that same older players are superstars. Sad but Funny


I take it your kid is one of the kids getting "run" over. Get used to it. He is still going to be small in high school.


Hilarious! The holdback/reclass apologist comes out with a normal garbage statement. No actually reasoning to better you cause. Just the usual garbage , kid too small, Hit wall, bigger kids make him better ( that one is always rich ) etc etc .

Your " run" over coming from someone whose child couldn't even compete against same age children is perfect!! LOL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Provide an alternative with dates of eligibility.


COMMON SENSE : Most Schools use Sept 1 ...USE THAT for Youth Lacrosse ( up to 8th grade) .. Somehow for 50 years YOUTH lacrosse survived based on Age until about 5 years ago when the Private school holdback/prefirst influence reared its ugly head.

Frankly the match that stated it was the ignorant people from HOCO ( who have children in Private schools) who started a GRADE base league instead of AGE based like ALL other leagues are in Howard County recreation Department.

HS is where you can get an your advantage. Common Sense.. HS is about grade and Youth is about AGE..Spin Away Prefirst/holdback apologists. More parents are reclassing/prefirst/holdback than ever before, Holdbacks are becoming an epidemic due to advantage in youth sports. Pretty Sad


Got it. You are upset because you are no longer the oldest in your class and you want to beat up on the June through August kids.

If it's an age group instead of a class based why does it have to be September. I think it should go by calendar year so my January kid is the oldest and you are the youngest.

The only answer is exact birth date. A kid celebrates his 12th birthday, they move out of 11U and into 12U/13U. And if a kid ages out during HoCo then tough. Good luck in trying to implement it as the parents with kids born in September - November or holdbacks will never agree. The teams shout about team function (nonsense at the youth level) and there's just more paperwork involved so the tournaments and clubs don't want the hassle.

The double holdback, however, is absolutely outrageous. This is a kid who is born prior to the 9/1 date and is then held back sometime again. Some of it is due to learning or social problems but some of it is absolutely sports related.


A lot of ignorant statements over a simple pick a date and stick with it. You must be a holdback parent whose kid couldnt make it, Jan , Yea Right . School is Sept 1..Common Sense. But give me ten reasons why there will be problems?? LOL. Soccer does Jan 1 which isnt the greatest date but it works for them and youth sports. But you probably know better than the largest sport on earth in recruiting players
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by cltlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by cltlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by cltlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??


Most people on the 2024 thread call any ‘05 Birthday a holdback. So make it Jan 1st.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=cltlax][quote=Anonymous]
It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??


Because it's not that easy anymore. It's been studied over and over that older kids are better regardless of when you set the date. They get more attention, reps and playing time. Couple that with the growing recruitment of grade school kids to get into private schools and now there's motivation. There's not even any type of agreement on these threads except the double holdback is outrageous but nobody will try to stop it for fear of repercussion from the club.

The only real date for participation is birth date and that will never be implemented. I have no idea why not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 04:57 PM

Changing the topic. Which six teams will qualify for the WSYL from the North region?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by cltlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by cltlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??


Most people on the 2024 thread call any ‘05 Birthday a holdback. So make it Jan 1st.

What about year-round school districts? I live in an area where year-round is the norm and your child is assigned to a "track" in kindergarten and they remain on that "track" up through 8th grade. For instance, if Track 1 you begin school in July. If Track 4 you may not begin school until October or November. Would you still consider a kid a "holdback" if s/he didn't begin school until Nov or Dec?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 05:25 PM

Most people don't call it a holdback, just those with school districts with a different starting date.

solution is age-based based on exact birth date.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Changing the topic. Which six teams will qualify for the WSYL from the North region?

I do not know try posting on the NY thread where people care
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Changing the topic. Which six teams will qualify for the WSYL from the North region?




NY donk forgot he was trolling on a Mid Atlantic thread.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 08:13 PM

A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Changing the topic. Which six teams will qualify for the WSYL from the North region?




NY donk forgot he was trolling on a Mid Atlantic thread.


Is that you, dirt?? You’re right (a first!). Obviously a screwup since there are no 12 or 13 year olds in 2024 lacrosse from MD who can qualify for the WSYL. There is no kid in 2024 MD lacrosse under the age of 14. And obviously many are 15. Absolutely none of the holdbacks qualify.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


Really ? Are you paying attention to your fellow MD parents who are sick and tired of holdback parents like yourself corrupting youth lacrosse. You are the sole snake from MD that deniies this cancer that has overcome MD club lacrosse. Every one of the kids on ML are 14 or will be very shortly, or already 15. In case you ever want to verify Long Islands lack of holdbacks, check out the WSYL. We will be there. You will not be there. No MD team will be there. Most LI teams will be there with 100% of their team, which means...total lack of any holdbacks. So take your preK holdbacks and your reclass holdbacks, and your 6’-something 15 year old would-be, should-be freshman in high school holdbacks, and keep on playing down a year or two, every single game. I commend the MD parents that recognize the safety concerns and injustice be done to the actual 2024 children, of which your kid is not. You, on the other hand are the lone wolf on BOTC that still tries to sell the lies. There is no one else.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/29/19 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


I know. This is the same guy that posted incessantly, for months, that his Madlax team wasn’t going to the WSYL because it was a waste of money and there were better tourneys in MD. But suddenly those lies ended when Madlax went to Denver last summer to play in what amounts to a bad B tourney, without a single decent team. Not one. Isn’t that right Madlax parent? Everything that comes from his keyboard is an obvious juvenile lie.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


Name one thing that is wrong with it. I'll give you names and numbers of kids on 91, Express, and Legacy that are holdbacks, and I guarantee you that these teams have more holdbacks than any of the other teams out there. 91 made NLF grade based for a reason.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


I know. This is the same guy that posted incessantly, for months, that his Madlax team wasn’t going to the WSYL because it was a waste of money and there were better tourneys in MD. But suddenly those lies ended when Madlax went to Denver last summer to play in what amounts to a bad B tourney, without a single decent team. Not one. Isn’t that right Madlax parent? Everything that comes from his keyboard is an obvious juvenile lie.


So funny that you think I am a Madlax parent. I don't live in MD or any where remotely close. Just easier to use the MD reference to show how notIntelligent your posts are and to tick you off more because obviously you can't take it that the MD teams are better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 12:41 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


I know. This is the same guy that posted incessantly, for months, that his Madlax team wasn’t going to the WSYL because it was a waste of money and there were better tourneys in MD. But suddenly those lies ended when Madlax went to Denver last summer to play in what amounts to a bad B tourney, without a single decent team. Not one. Isn’t that right Madlax parent? Everything that comes from his keyboard is an obvious juvenile lie.


Hold on. This is the Madlax guy that has been stalking the LI thread for years, continually posting how Madlax is the best team at the age? And the team is completely holdbacks?! Are you kidding me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


Name one thing that is wrong with it. I'll give you names and numbers of kids on 91, Express, and Legacy that are holdbacks, and I guarantee you that these teams have more holdbacks than any of the other teams out there. 91 made NLF grade based for a reason.


OK, Madlax parent, I'm calling your bluff. Let's hear the names and numbers. Don't leave any out.

And remember, all of the teams that you just mentioned are going to Denver. Madlax is going to watch those teams on their TV set, from their couch in DC. Madlax has two teams at the 2024 level, totaling almost 60 players, and you don't have enough players to field a single team of 15 kids for the WSYL. That's, plain and simple, criminal! That's because your entire team is DC Kindergarten holdbacks, which means all the players should be at minimum 2023's. But then, we can't forget about the reclassed players like the 6'1" 15 year old from DC Dogs 2023, that you love to brag about so much. Yeah, the double holdbacks. We can't leave those out, now can we.

So, give us the names and numbers of all the holdbacks. We are waiting...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


I know. This is the same guy that posted incessantly, for months, that his Madlax team wasn’t going to the WSYL because it was a waste of money and there were better tourneys in MD. But suddenly those lies ended when Madlax went to Denver last summer to play in what amounts to a bad B tourney, without a single decent team. Not one. Isn’t that right Madlax parent? Everything that comes from his keyboard is an obvious juvenile lie.


So funny that you think I am a Madlax parent. I don't live in MD or any where remotely close. Just easier to use the MD reference to show how notIntelligent your posts are and to tick you off more because obviously you can't take it that the MD teams are better.


And that must be true because you are posting it, and you would never, ever lie right? This coming from the guy that lied about madlax having absolutely no holdbacks, which went on for several years, while you incessantly stalked the LI thread and continually claimed to have the best team in the grade. Turns out madlax was never the best team, and no where close. And, it didn't even have any 2024-age kids on the 2024 team. Your holdbacks have been so well documented, even you have softened your spin on your holdbacks.Then you lied about the WSYL, saying that Madlax thinks it's a waste of time "chasing a trophy" when MD has better tournaments in MD, and laughed at the LI teams that were going. Turns out, you went to Denver last year for a lousy B tournament. So, more lies. It's easy to tell it's you, because you are the only one from MD that has posted on here in support of the holdback teams. MD has classy parents, who are caught up in this holdback mess. They hate the corruption more than the LI teams, since they are the ones who have the 2024 on age kids who have to suffer through it, dealing with the enormous amount of cheating holdback parents such as your self. It's far worse for them, than it is for LI. READ THROUGH THE POSTS OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS!! There is not one post that is in support of the hold back teams and the grade based system that supports it, which originated in your HoCo league, not the NLF which is how you like to spin it. By the way, the NLF is about two years old. How long has the HoCo been grade based??? That's your answer on where this all came from. yeah, it's very easy to tell it's you, even when you try to trick us, because there is only one person on BOTC that posts such irrational, non-logical childlike posts, oever and over again, and that is you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


I know. This is the same guy that posted incessantly, for months, that his Madlax team wasn’t going to the WSYL because it was a waste of money and there were better tourneys in MD. But suddenly those lies ended when Madlax went to Denver last summer to play in what amounts to a bad B tourney, without a single decent team. Not one. Isn’t that right Madlax parent? Everything that comes from his keyboard is an obvious juvenile lie.


So funny that you think I am a Madlax parent. I don't live in MD or any where remotely close. Just easier to use the MD reference to show how notIntelligent your posts are and to tick you off more because obviously you can't take it that the MD teams are better.


And that must be true because you are posting it, and you would never, ever lie right? This coming from the guy that lied about madlax having absolutely no holdbacks, which went on for several years, while you incessantly stalked the LI thread and continually claimed to have the best team in the grade. Turns out madlax was never the best team, and no where close. And, it didn't even have any 2024-age kids on the 2024 team. Your holdbacks have been so well documented, even you have softened your spin on your holdbacks.Then you lied about the WSYL, saying that Madlax thinks it's a waste of time "chasing a trophy" when MD has better tournaments in MD, and laughed at the LI teams that were going. Turns out, you went to Denver last year for a lousy B tournament. So, more lies. It's easy to tell it's you, because you are the only one from MD that has posted on here in support of the holdback teams. MD has classy parents, who are caught up in this holdback mess. They hate the corruption more than the LI teams, since they are the ones who have the 2024 on age kids who have to suffer through it, dealing with the enormous amount of cheating holdback parents such as your self. It's far worse for them, than it is for LI. READ THROUGH THE POSTS OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS!! There is not one post that is in support of the hold back teams and the grade based system that supports it, which originated in your HoCo league, not the NLF which is how you like to spin it. By the way, the NLF is about two years old. How long has the HoCo been grade based??? That's your answer on where this all came from. yeah, it's very easy to tell it's you, even when you try to trick us, because there is only one person on BOTC that posts such irrational, non-logical childlike posts, oever and over again, and that is you.






NLF has the two most influential clubs as founding members, if they wanted to stop the madness, they could...and the people most negatively affected are the parents that finance these clubs...such ridiculous irony...The fact that HOCO created this mess does not relieve the other clubs from culpability.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
And that must be true because you are posting it, and you would never, ever lie right? This coming from the guy that lied about madlax having absolutely no holdbacks, which went on for several years, while you incessantly stalked the LI thread and continually claimed to have the best team in the grade. Turns out madlax was never the best team, and no where close. And, it didn't even have any 2024-age kids on the 2024 team. Your holdbacks have been so well documented, even you have softened your spin on your holdbacks.Then you lied about the WSYL, saying that Madlax thinks it's a waste of time "chasing a trophy" when MD has better tournaments in MD, and laughed at the LI teams that were going. Turns out, you went to Denver last year for a lousy B tournament. So, more lies. It's easy to tell it's you, because you are the only one from MD that has posted on here in support of the holdback teams. MD has classy parents, who are caught up in this holdback mess. They hate the corruption more than the LI teams, since they are the ones who have the 2024 on age kids who have to suffer through it, dealing with the enormous amount of cheating holdback parents such as your self. It's far worse for them, than it is for LI. READ THROUGH THE POSTS OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS!! There is not one post that is in support of the hold back teams and the grade based system that supports it, which originated in your HoCo league, not the NLF which is how you like to spin it. By the way, the NLF is about two years old. How long has the HoCo been grade based??? That's your answer on where this all came from. yeah, it's very easy to tell it's you, even when you try to trick us, because there is only one person on BOTC that posts such irrational, non-logical childlike posts, oever and over again, and that is you.


What age cutoff do you think should be followed?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


I know. This is the same guy that posted incessantly, for months, that his Madlax team wasn’t going to the WSYL because it was a waste of money and there were better tourneys in MD. But suddenly those lies ended when Madlax went to Denver last summer to play in what amounts to a bad B tourney, without a single decent team. Not one. Isn’t that right Madlax parent? Everything that comes from his keyboard is an obvious juvenile lie.


So funny that you think I am a Madlax parent. I don't live in MD or any where remotely close. Just easier to use the MD reference to show how notIntelligent your posts are and to tick you off more because obviously you can't take it that the MD teams are better.


And that must be true because you are posting it, and you would never, ever lie right? This coming from the guy that lied about madlax having absolutely no holdbacks, which went on for several years, while you incessantly stalked the LI thread and continually claimed to have the best team in the grade. Turns out madlax was never the best team, and no where close. And, it didn't even have any 2024-age kids on the 2024 team. Your holdbacks have been so well documented, even you have softened your spin on your holdbacks.Then you lied about the WSYL, saying that Madlax thinks it's a waste of time "chasing a trophy" when MD has better tournaments in MD, and laughed at the LI teams that were going. Turns out, you went to Denver last year for a lousy B tournament. So, more lies. It's easy to tell it's you, because you are the only one from MD that has posted on here in support of the holdback teams. MD has classy parents, who are caught up in this holdback mess. They hate the corruption more than the LI teams, since they are the ones who have the 2024 on age kids who have to suffer through it, dealing with the enormous amount of cheating holdback parents such as your self. It's far worse for them, than it is for LI. READ THROUGH THE POSTS OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS!! There is not one post that is in support of the hold back teams and the grade based system that supports it, which originated in your HoCo league, not the NLF which is how you like to spin it. By the way, the NLF is about two years old. How long has the HoCo been grade based??? That's your answer on where this all came from. yeah, it's very easy to tell it's you, even when you try to trick us, because there is only one person on BOTC that posts such irrational, non-logical childlike posts, oever and over again, and that is you.






NLF has the two most influential clubs as founding members, if they wanted to stop the madness, they could...and the people most negatively affected are the parents that finance these clubs...such ridiculous irony...The fact that HOCO created this mess does not relieve the other clubs from culpability.


Since the founding entity of the problem is actually the HoCo league, maybe MD should start there, instead of trying to get others to clean up your big mess. Here's what you are not understanding... The problem is far worse in MD than it is anywhere else. It does exist in area's like Mass on a fairly large scale, but still nothing like the plague that it is in MD. It's almost completely non-existent on LI. I know for a fact that two out of the three top 2024 teams have absolutely no holdbacks at all. And the third team has a few (but not half their team or more, like MD). So, it's really not much of a problem for people on LI, except when we go to MD, so nobody really cares that much. If a team doesn't like it, they simply don't go to MD tournaments. Problem solved. The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them. I don't see big LI clubs like 91 or Express initiating a change, since it's not that much of an issue here. I for one, wish they would, but I don't see that happening. It's going to have to come from the area's/teams that are suffering the most.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 08:44 PM

"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/30/19 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change


Sad, but I'm sure very true.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


I disagree. This whole concept is nothing new. It's been going on for a very long time, so it's not about LI being a little late to the party. Holdbacks are a byproduct of prep schools, for the most part. Simply, there are no prep schools on LI. There is an abundance of prep schools in MD, MA, CT and other states, but none on LI. That's why the issue is most prevalent in those states and not LI.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


Name one thing that is wrong with it. I'll give you names and numbers of kids on 91, Express, and Legacy that are holdbacks, and I guarantee you that these teams have more holdbacks than any of the other teams out there. 91 made NLF grade based for a reason.


OK, Madlax parent, I'm calling your bluff. Let's hear the names and numbers. Don't leave any out.

And remember, all of the teams that you just mentioned are going to Denver. Madlax is going to watch those teams on their TV set, from their couch in DC. Madlax has two teams at the 2024 level, totaling almost 60 players, and you don't have enough players to field a single team of 15 kids for the WSYL. That's, plain and simple, criminal! That's because your entire team is DC Kindergarten holdbacks, which means all the players should be at minimum 2023's. But then, we can't forget about the reclassed players like the 6'1" 15 year old from DC Dogs 2023, that you love to brag about so much. Yeah, the double holdbacks. We can't leave those out, now can we.

So, give us the names and numbers of all the holdbacks. We are waiting...






Still waiting....................................

This is when you come back with some excuse about not having the names and numbers. Still thinking?? OK. No prob. We have time. We''ll wait.......................
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change



You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A holdback is any kid that missed the school starting date, and LI has more holdbacks than anyone. It is just that LI's holdbacks are on average 1-3 months younger than MD's holdbacks. At age 13, do you really think 1-3 mos. makes any difference whatsoever??? In some cases, we are talking about kids born in LI in Sept. 2005 (currently 13) versus a kid born in MD in August 2005 (currently 13). If we listened to you the MD 13 yr. old kid born in August 2005 is the person of the earth, when in reality he only missed an arbitrary cutoff of 9/1 by a couple of days. The LI 13 yr. old kid, on the other hand, missed his 1/1 cutoff by months. Using your own flawed logic, the LI kid that missed his 1/1 cutoff by 3 months is a far worse cheater than a MD kid that missed his 9/1 cutoff by a couple of days. There are lots of legitimate reasons (that have nothing to do with lacrosse) for a kid to not be on-grade. For you to bash these kids as cheaters is complete BS and just silly, especially when all the top LI teams have worse offenders.


I love this post. There are tons of wrong things going on. I find it funny there are class based teams when none of these clubs have school names on their jerseys.


Name one thing that is wrong with it. I'll give you names and numbers of kids on 91, Express, and Legacy that are holdbacks, and I guarantee you that these teams have more holdbacks than any of the other teams out there. 91 made NLF grade based for a reason.


OK, Madlax parent, I'm calling your bluff. Let's hear the names and numbers. Don't leave any out.

And remember, all of the teams that you just mentioned are going to Denver. Madlax is going to watch those teams on their TV set, from their couch in DC. Madlax has two teams at the 2024 level, totaling almost 60 players, and you don't have enough players to field a single team of 15 kids for the WSYL. That's, plain and simple, criminal! That's because your entire team is DC Kindergarten holdbacks, which means all the players should be at minimum 2023's. But then, we can't forget about the reclassed players like the 6'1" 15 year old from DC Dogs 2023, that you love to brag about so much. Yeah, the double holdbacks. We can't leave those out, now can we.

So, give us the names and numbers of all the holdbacks. We are waiting...






Still waiting....................................

This is when you come back with some excuse about not having the names and numbers. Still thinking?? OK. No prob. We have time. We''ll wait.......................




You screwed up. You thought you could get names and numbers off the club rosters that are posted on their website, just like Madlax does. Unfortunately for you, the LI clubs protect their kids from predators like you, so they don’t post them. Hmmm. Guess you didn’t think that one through. Time for plan B. You do have a plan B, right? I feel like I’m watching Home Alone and you are the stunad crooks, and I’m McCauley Calkin. This is too easy. Like taking candy from a baby.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.


LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change



You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?





Food for thought for all you parents of on age kids, in MD. You all are thinking, my kid is good, but he doesnt get the opportunities. I can tell you, you are most likely correct.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.


LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change



You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?





Food for thought for all you parents of on age kids, in MD. You all are thinking, my kid is good, but he doesnt get the opportunities. I can tell you, you are most likely correct.


There's always the other divisions of HoCo as an option for all MD youngsters (2024 Elite, AA, A, B). I really only hear the LI donks complaining on the MD forum.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change



You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?




You really need to get over your team being the best. To take your point one step further your 2023 Team is better and has accomplished more yet the pendulum has shifted away from them and they aren't even in HS yet. They got spanked by a Team of Holdback I think it was 6-0 so it goes to show you that holdbacks do make a difference. Get off your high horse about great your team is I was at the Millon 2024 team and I thought your team was one of the better teams but certainly not the best and I think the tournament results support that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change



You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?




You really need to get over your team being the best. To take your point one step further your 2023 Team is better and has accomplished more yet the pendulum has shifted away from them and they aren't even in HS yet. They got spanked by a Team of Holdback I think it was 6-0 so it goes to show you that holdbacks do make a difference. Get off your high horse about great your team is I was at the Millon 2024 team and I thought your team was one of the better teams but certainly not the best and I think the tournament results support that.



Ahhh. The holdback dad rears his ugly head. Where you been hiding? Once again, you are completely missing the point. What's new. I know you are desperately trying to support your argument, to keep having 15 year old's, like your son, play little 12 year olds, but your spin doesn't work here. First, this is a 2024 thread, so that's what we are discussing, not 2023, 2022... you get the idea. Only 2024. Let's stay focused, shall we. Second, we are citing facts, not speculation of what a holdback dad wants to happen in the future. The facts are what they are. On-age LI teams have been competing and winning against the best teams from MD, that are between one and two years older. No speculation, plain facts. This has been going on for over 5 years now. So far, there is nothing debatable here. Every year is a compete do-over, so we'll wait and see what happens this year. No chest pounding like our friend from Madlax. Simply stating the fact that non-holdback teams are competing and beating the best holdback teams and have for over 5 years, running. AND HERE IS THE POINT... if LI teams can do it, then MD could do it too... win without holdbacks. Here's another interesting question. Why aren't the MD teams better than what they are? Older kids should beat younger, smaller kids, by a lot. But it hasn't happened. Why? My theory is that the holdback players are simply not as good as the non-holdback players, no matter where they are from. In general, they are substandard players that aren't successful against their own age players, so they need the advantage of playing against younger, smaller players. Now, there are always exceptions to every rule, but the overall statement I think is accurate. Clubs chose holdbacks over on-age kids, simply because of their size and strength advantage, and the clubs "win now" mentality. They are not better athletes and they certainly don't have the potential of the average on-age player. If you have your own theory (spin) as to why the holdback teams aren't nearly as good as they should be, I'd love to hear it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.


LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change



You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?





Food for thought for all you parents of on age kids, in MD. You all are thinking, my kid is good, but he doesnt get the opportunities. I can tell you, you are most likely correct.


There's always the other divisions of HoCo as an option for all MD youngsters (2024 Elite, AA, A, B). I really only hear the LI donks complaining on the MD forum.


I got a better idea. Put your 15 year old with the other 15 year olds. And let the 12 year old's play the other 12 year olds, in what is suppose to be the 12 year old division. How bout that?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/31/19 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.



LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change



You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?





Food for thought for all you parents of on age kids, in MD. You all are thinking, my kid is good, but he doesnt get the opportunities. I can tell you, you are most likely correct.


There's always the other divisions of HoCo as an option for all MD youngsters (2024 Elite, AA, A, B). I really only hear the LI donks complaining on the MD forum.


I got a better idea. Put your 15 year old with the other 15 year olds. And let the 12 year old's play the other 12 year olds, in what is suppose to be the 12 year old division. How bout that?



Naw. His 15 year old does better against the 12 year olds, so he’ll stick with that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change



You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?




You really need to get over your team being the best. To take your point one step further your 2023 Team is better and has accomplished more yet the pendulum has shifted away from them and they aren't even in HS yet. They got spanked by a Team of Holdback I think it was 6-0 so it goes to show you that holdbacks do make a difference. Get off your high horse about great your team is I was at the Millon 2024 team and I thought your team was one of the better teams but certainly not the best and I think the tournament results support that.



Ahhh. The holdback dad rears his ugly head. Where you been hiding? Once again, you are completely missing the point. What's new. I know you are desperately trying to support your argument, to keep having 15 year old's, like your son, play little 12 year olds, but your spin doesn't work here. First, this is a 2024 thread, so that's what we are discussing, not 2023, 2022... you get the idea. Only 2024. Let's stay focused, shall we. Second, we are citing facts, not speculation of what a holdback dad wants to happen in the future. The facts are what they are. On-age LI teams have been competing and winning against the best teams from MD, that are between one and two years older. No speculation, plain facts. This has been going on for over 5 years now. So far, there is nothing debatable here. Every year is a compete do-over, so we'll wait and see what happens this year. No chest pounding like our friend from Madlax. Simply stating the fact that non-holdback teams are competing and beating the best holdback teams and have for over 5 years, running. AND HERE IS THE POINT... if LI teams can do it, then MD could do it too... win without holdbacks. Here's another interesting question. Why aren't the MD teams better than what they are? Older kids should beat younger, smaller kids, by a lot. But it hasn't happened. Why? My theory is that the holdback players are simply not as good as the non-holdback players, no matter where they are from. In general, they are substandard players that aren't successful against their own age players, so they need the advantage of playing against younger, smaller players. Now, there are always exceptions to every rule, but the overall statement I think is accurate. Clubs chose holdbacks over on-age kids, simply because of their size and strength advantage, and the clubs "win now" mentality. They are not better athletes and they certainly don't have the potential of the average on-age player. If you have your own theory (spin) as to why the holdback teams aren't nearly as good as they should be, I'd love to hear it.






Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 02:41 AM

There are no 15 year olds in the 7th grade. There's about a 9 month spread in most "hold back" cases at this level. The real hold backs are the 9 mth spread kids that change private schools and repeat 8th grade, while their teammates go on to high school. That isn't happening to the 2024 class, at this stage. Stop crying and making excuses, its embarrassing. Can we please move on?!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 03:17 AM

This I s BOTC. Please take your reasoned and well thought out arguments elsewhere!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 03:22 AM

Why does BOTC call this the 2024 Forum? Because we play by grade year. If not it would be called the 13 and U forum, but it's not. Get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.


All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change



You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?




You really need to get over your team being the best. To take your point one step further your 2023 Team is better and has accomplished more yet the pendulum has shifted away from them and they aren't even in HS yet. They got spanked by a Team of Holdback I think it was 6-0 so it goes to show you that holdbacks do make a difference. Get off your high horse about great your team is I was at the Millon 2024 team and I thought your team was one of the better teams but certainly not the best and I think the tournament results support that.



Ahhh. The holdback dad rears his ugly head. Where you been hiding? Once again, you are completely missing the point. What's new. I know you are desperately trying to support your argument, to keep having 15 year old's, like your son, play little 12 year olds, but your spin doesn't work here. First, this is a 2024 thread, so that's what we are discussing, not 2023, 2022... you get the idea. Only 2024. Let's stay focused, shall we. Second, we are citing facts, not speculation of what a holdback dad wants to happen in the future. The facts are what they are. On-age LI teams have been competing and winning against the best teams from MD, that are between one and two years older. No speculation, plain facts. This has been going on for over 5 years now. So far, there is nothing debatable here. Every year is a compete do-over, so we'll wait and see what happens this year. No chest pounding like our friend from Madlax. Simply stating the fact that non-holdback teams are competing and beating the best holdback teams and have for over 5 years, running. AND HERE IS THE POINT... if LI teams can do it, then MD could do it too... win without holdbacks. Here's another interesting question. Why aren't the MD teams better than what they are? Older kids should beat younger, smaller kids, by a lot. But it hasn't happened. Why? My theory is that the holdback players are simply not as good as the non-holdback players, no matter where they are from. In general, they are substandard players that aren't successful against their own age players, so they need the advantage of playing against younger, smaller players. Now, there are always exceptions to every rule, but the overall statement I think is accurate. Clubs chose holdbacks over on-age kids, simply because of their size and strength advantage, and the clubs "win now" mentality. They are not better athletes and they certainly don't have the potential of the average on-age player. If you have your own theory (spin) as to why the holdback teams aren't nearly as good as they should be, I'd love to hear it.






Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.



I don’t think we are that far apart. You are saying the difference is on average 9 months and you think that is on the high side. I think it’s on the low side. Who is right? I’m sure we both are, depending upon the team. But we are close. Regardless, a team that is on average 9months older than another, during the adolescent years, is night and day. It’s huge. You sound like a rational individual, I have to assume that you agree that 9 months, during the prepubertal/puberty/postpuberty years is enormous. But what you aren’t taking into consideration at all is the double holdback. Admittedly there aren’t that many but there are some. How much of a difference can that double holdback make, even if it is just one player? It can be enormous. Seventh graders are for the most part still pre-pubescent. 9th graders for the most part aren’t. It’s easily a difference of 8” in height and 70 lbs in weight. How much of an impact can just one player have at this grade? I will tell you because I have seen it plenty of times, it’s a huge impact, and it is dangerous. So when I say 1 to 2 year difference, that’s what I am referring to. You say 9 months. I say a year. We’re splitting hairs. It’s the same thing. Throw in the occasional double holdback, and I think we are very close to agreeing on the subject.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 10:46 AM

Madlax is in your heads. Nobody cares about holdbacks except LI crybaby dads.

Madlax owns the island.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.

All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change


You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?

You really need to get over your team being the best. To take your point one step further your 2023 Team is better and has accomplished more yet the pendulum has shifted away from them and they aren't even in HS yet. They got spanked by a Team of Holdback I think it was 6-0 so it goes to show you that holdbacks do make a difference. Get off your high horse about great your team is I was at the Millon 2024 team and I thought your team was one of the better teams but certainly not the best and I think the tournament results support that.

Ahhh. The holdback dad rears his ugly head. Where you been hiding? Once again, you are completely missing the point. What's new. I know you are desperately trying to support your argument, to keep having 15 year old's, like your son, play little 12 year olds, but your spin doesn't work here. First, this is a 2024 thread, so that's what we are discussing, not 2023, 2022... you get the idea. Only 2024. Let's stay focused, shall we. Second, we are citing facts, not speculation of what a holdback dad wants to happen in the future. The facts are what they are. On-age LI teams have been competing and winning against the best teams from MD, that are between one and two years older. No speculation, plain facts. This has been going on for over 5 years now. So far, there is nothing debatable here. Every year is a compete do-over, so we'll wait and see what happens this year. No chest pounding like our friend from Madlax. Simply stating the fact that non-holdback teams are competing and beating the best holdback teams and have for over 5 years, running. AND HERE IS THE POINT... if LI teams can do it, then MD could do it too... win without holdbacks. Here's another interesting question. Why aren't the MD teams better than what they are? Older kids should beat younger, smaller kids, by a lot. But it hasn't happened. Why? My theory is that the holdback players are simply not as good as the non-holdback players, no matter where they are from. In general, they are substandard players that aren't successful against their own age players, so they need the advantage of playing against younger, smaller players. Now, there are always exceptions to every rule, but the overall statement I think is accurate. Clubs chose holdbacks over on-age kids, simply because of their size and strength advantage, and the clubs "win now" mentality. They are not better athletes and they certainly don't have the potential of the average on-age player. If you have your own theory (spin) as to why the holdback teams aren't nearly as good as they should be, I'd love to hear it.

Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.
Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


While you might sound reasonable, holdbacks are much older in relation to other youth teams.. Take your June holdback player. He is ALWAYS one of oldest players on field in the holdback era. He is older by 3 months to oldest on age player ( which, how many are born on Sept 1 ? ) . Yet on average , the holdback will always be older by 6-9 months at minimum to the majority of players. Now that is ALL the time. In youth sports we are talking about boys usually pre puberty or in the beginnings of most growth periods . Older is usually an advantage. Or at least makes up for your shortcomings. There is a Reason 3rd graders think 4th graders are sooo much older. LOL. The whole holdback/reclass/prefirst thing is wrong in Youth sports. Common sense.

As far competition between LI and MD . Many factors, but a big one is that LI has a pop of 7.5 million with a strong lacrosse culture. MD has 7 million in entire state with Balt and certain areas of DC with strong lax culture. Years ago LI had a much bigger USL participation than MD, not sure what numbers are now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


The first issue is if you stack a team full of summer birthdays or even earlier and have them play a diverse team of different ages. This is the first issue with the HoCo elite divisions. The better teams are completely stacked with this type of roster. There's a reason why they are "better" and it's not due to coaching.

If you are a 2024 parent who pays attention and your club is competitive, here's a better breakdown. There are approximately 21 players on a team, some more and some less but this is about right. At least a third of those kids will be older than the 9/1 guideline; about 10 will be born between September and December; and there might be 4-5 kids born after January. In the elite division, the numbers will skew even older.

The problem lies in those 7 and more like 14 for the elite division teams where their ages vary from a couple of months before up to 18 months before. Yes - 18 months before the 9/1 guideline.

Here's how it happens. You take a delayed entry child who is born in March (and I believe this is too old to play in class divisions) and then that kid re-classes. Now you have a 15 year old playing 7th grade lacrosse. I don't know about 7th grade HoCo but I know most 8th grade teams in the elite division have at least 1 and 1 team has 3. Yes - 3 young men who are 16 years old playing in an 8th grade division.

The age difference in teams for a class based league is way out of balance.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


The first issue is if you stack a team full of summer birthdays or even earlier and have them play a diverse team of different ages. This is the first issue with the HoCo elite divisions. The better teams are completely stacked with this type of roster. There's a reason why they are "better" and it's not due to coaching.

If you are a 2024 parent who pays attention and your club is competitive, here's a better breakdown. There are approximately 21 players on a team, some more and some less but this is about right. At least a third of those kids will be older than the 9/1 guideline; about 10 will be born between September and December; and there might be 4-5 kids born after January. In the elite division, the numbers will skew even older.

The problem lies in those 7 and more like 14 for the elite division teams where their ages vary from a couple of months before up to 18 months before. Yes - 18 months before the 9/1 guideline.

Here's how it happens. You take a delayed entry child who is born in March (and I believe this is too old to play in class divisions) and then that kid re-classes. Now you have a 15 year old playing 7th grade lacrosse. I don't know about 7th grade HoCo but I know most 8th grade teams in the elite division have at least 1 and 1 team has 3. Yes - 3 young men who are 16 years old playing in an 8th grade division.

The age difference in teams for a class based league is way out of balance.



This isn't accurate, as the kid would be ineligible to play his senior year of high school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


The first issue is if you stack a team full of summer birthdays or even earlier and have them play a diverse team of different ages. This is the first issue with the HoCo elite divisions. The better teams are completely stacked with this type of roster. There's a reason why they are "better" and it's not due to coaching.

If you are a 2024 parent who pays attention and your club is competitive, here's a better breakdown. There are approximately 21 players on a team, some more and some less but this is about right. At least a third of those kids will be older than the 9/1 guideline; about 10 will be born between September and December; and there might be 4-5 kids born after January. In the elite division, the numbers will skew even older.

The problem lies in those 7 and more like 14 for the elite division teams where their ages vary from a couple of months before up to 18 months before. Yes - 18 months before the 9/1 guideline.

Here's how it happens. You take a delayed entry child who is born in March (and I believe this is too old to play in class divisions) and then that kid re-classes. Now you have a 15 year old playing 7th grade lacrosse. I don't know about 7th grade HoCo but I know most 8th grade teams in the elite division have at least 1 and 1 team has 3. Yes - 3 young men who are 16 years old playing in an 8th grade division.

The age difference in teams for a class based league is way out of balance.



No way this scenario is accurate. They would be ineligible for senior year of high school.
Stop clinging to these weak Meanyexcuses.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 03:48 PM

Original "math" poster here again. I really appreciate the reasoned responses to this. While I completely agree that at the 2024 level 9-12 months can be an advantage it is also within the bounds of what can happen within an age bracket. Having sons who play hockey as well (with horrible hockey birthdays but great lacrosse birthdays in an age based world) I understand. We are all aware that within a 12 month bracket at this age there can be huge differences in size and athleticism that no system can even up.

It seemed to me the conversation was beginning to go a little out of bounds with the whole 15 vs 12 arguments. Does that happen, to be honest I am not aware of any 15 yos playing in 2024 but I don't know this as a "fact" either way, but on average for the MD teams this is not the case. It was not that long ago that these kids were all playing age based and there were some really great games between the LI & MD teams. I will also readily admit that part of the purpose for my post was a defensive response to the concept that the MD 2024s were all a bunch of 15 yos with no lacrosse skills that were just winning because they were so much older. On average I don't believe that is the case.

Also agree on the market size and culture comment about LI vs MD.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 05:45 PM

Who says they have to go to traditional high schools. They could graduate early in the summer or they could go to a Prep academy like Culver or they could skip senior year sports if they have committed. These are real examples and are not made up. There are really young men turning 16 in their 8th grade year and will be playing in HoCo this year. Why is this so hard to believe. The Gonzage QB was 15 as a freshman and he turned 16 in November. Is it really so hard to believe there aren't a few young men 3-6 months older?

There's nothing in the water where giants grow for certain clubs and not for others.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 05:49 PM

Al
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Original "math" poster here again. I really appreciate the reasoned responses to this. While I completely agree that at the 2024 level 9-12 months can be an advantage it is also within the bounds of what can happen within an age bracket. Having sons who play hockey as well (with horrible hockey birthdays but great lacrosse birthdays in an age based world) I understand. We are all aware that within a 12 month bracket at this age there can be huge differences in size and athleticism that no system can even up.

It seemed to me the conversation was beginning to go a little out of bounds with the whole 15 vs 12 arguments. Does that happen, to be honest I am not aware of any 15 yos playing in 2024 but I don't know this as a "fact" either way, but on average for the MD teams this is not the case. It was not that long ago that these kids were all playing age based and there were some really great games between the LI & MD teams. I will also readily admit that part of the purpose for my post was a defensive response to the concept that the MD 2024s were all a bunch of 15 yos with no lacrosse skills that were just winning because they were so much older. On average I don't believe that is the case.

Also agree on the market size and culture comment about LI vs MD.


Every team in the elite division is stacked with kids born prior to 9/1 and most with a few kids born in the prior year. There has to be a cap somewhere. None of these teams are school based so I don't get the clinging to the idea of the class designation.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 07:47 PM

I know some late summer 2005 kids that are some of the better athletes in the 2024 elite division. I also know some late summer 2005 kids that frankly aren't that good. I think it is unfair to say that a late summer 2005 kid is better just because he may be slightly older. Most of the summer 2005 kids that I know didn't start playing club lacrosse until around the third grade. I happen to have a kid that has a late summer birthday (he missed the 9/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks). When he started playing lacrosse, he only played rec and he was the youngest kid on the field. He was constantly playing kids that were 1-2 years older than he was. When he got run over by older kids, it just made him tougher and practice that much harder. Even when he started playing club, it was still age based. So again he was playing kids that were 1-2 years older. But now they weren't just older, they were skilled too. Have you ever considered that some of the late summer 2005 kids that play 2024 are not better just because they may be older? Maybe they are better because of all those years they spent playing older kids before they eventually ended up on a grade based team? As I have posted before, if Long Island kids are having to play kids that are older than they are, they will get the last laugh come high school when everything levels out. So rather than hating the "holdbacks," just enjoy the ride and be thankful that your kid is getting better from having to play older kids! Team rankings should mean nothing at this age. It should be about having fun and getting better before high school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who says they have to go to traditional high schools. They could graduate early in the summer or they could go to a Prep academy like Culver or they could skip senior year sports if they have committed. These are real examples and are not made up. There are really young men turning 16 in their 8th grade year and will be playing in HoCo this year. Why is this so hard to believe. The Gonzage QB was 15 as a freshman and he turned 16 in November. Is it really so hard to believe there aren't a few young men 3-6 months older?

There's nothing in the water where giants grow for certain clubs and not for others.

No Baltimore kids in MIAA Conference are forgoing senior to go to Culver or
A prep academy. Maybe LI or DC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/01/19 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is in your heads. Nobody cares about holdbacks except LI crybaby dads.

Madlax owns the island.


Based on the immaturity of the message, I am assuming that you are just a kid, however, if you are in fact a parent, get over yourself. While I hope that it never happens to anybody, imagine how you would feel if some double-holdback steamrolled your kid and caused a horrific injury, would that change your attitude. I realize that the same injury could occur by being hit by an on-age, or smaller, kid as well, but my guess would be that you would not rationalize it that way. For what it's worth, I am not from LI, despite what you may think, people from all over the lacrosse community think that the MD system is ridiculous.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/02/19 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


The first issue is if you stack a team full of summer birthdays or even earlier and have them play a diverse team of different ages. This is the first issue with the HoCo elite divisions. The better teams are completely stacked with this type of roster. There's a reason why they are "better" and it's not due to coaching.

If you are a 2024 parent who pays attention and your club is competitive, here's a better breakdown. There are approximately 21 players on a team, some more and some less but this is about right. At least a third of those kids will be older than the 9/1 guideline; about 10 will be born between September and December; and there might be 4-5 kids born after January. In the elite division, the numbers will skew even older.

The problem lies in those 7 and more like 14 for the elite division teams where their ages vary from a couple of months before up to 18 months before. Yes - 18 months before the 9/1 guideline.

Here's how it happens. You take a delayed entry child who is born in March (and I believe this is too old to play in class divisions) and then that kid re-classes. Now you have a 15 year old playing 7th grade lacrosse. I don't know about 7th grade HoCo but I know most 8th grade teams in the elite division have at least 1 and 1 team has 3. Yes - 3 young men who are 16 years old playing in an 8th grade division.

The age difference in teams for a class based league is way out of balance.



No way this scenario is accurate. They would be ineligible for senior year of high school.
Stop clinging to these weak Meanyexcuses.


Totally inaccurate statement. It all depends on when the double holdbacks Birthday is. Do the math. It’s very do-able and I’ve seen it several times. One comes immediately to mind... the 2023 DC Dogs boy that is now playing 2024?? An obvious reclass this year. Based on size, is it logical to think this boy is a kindergarten holdback too? PA has some obvious ones too. It’s not often you see 6’1” 175 lb 7th graders. I’ve never met one. But I’ve seen several playing in 2024 lacrosse. Hmmm.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/02/19 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The ones that are getting hurt by this are the area's where it is running rampant, like MD. The holdbacks are taking all of the positions and opportunities, from the kids that are suppose to be getting them."

And there it is. The plague is taking opportunities from kids who deserve them. The system is rewarding the plague. Your issue is with the NCAA and the league and then the parents. I am agreeing with you. The NCAA doesn't care about holdbacks because they like them. Look at Navy because they are the worst. They recruit holdbacks and then ask them to do another year at Prep. They are getting 21 year old freshman and they love it for a number of reasons. They are older, more mature and are easier to get through the process because they have higher test scores.

LI is holding out but it is creeping in.

All very valid points, but sadly, no solution in sight...our kids will be probably be out of college before things finally change


You know what is the funniest part of all this? The two top LI teams have no holdbacks. Yet, they are some of the top teams at this grade, and one of them is quite possibly the best anywhere. That will likely be determined this summer. So on age teams are as good or better than teams a year of two older, which has been going on since grade two. Think about that. If that's the case, why are all of the clubs chasing after holdbacks?

You really need to get over your team being the best. To take your point one step further your 2023 Team is better and has accomplished more yet the pendulum has shifted away from them and they aren't even in HS yet. They got spanked by a Team of Holdback I think it was 6-0 so it goes to show you that holdbacks do make a difference. Get off your high horse about great your team is I was at the Millon 2024 team and I thought your team was one of the better teams but certainly not the best and I think the tournament results support that.

Ahhh. The holdback dad rears his ugly head. Where you been hiding? Once again, you are completely missing the point. What's new. I know you are desperately trying to support your argument, to keep having 15 year old's, like your son, play little 12 year olds, but your spin doesn't work here. First, this is a 2024 thread, so that's what we are discussing, not 2023, 2022... you get the idea. Only 2024. Let's stay focused, shall we. Second, we are citing facts, not speculation of what a holdback dad wants to happen in the future. The facts are what they are. On-age LI teams have been competing and winning against the best teams from MD, that are between one and two years older. No speculation, plain facts. This has been going on for over 5 years now. So far, there is nothing debatable here. Every year is a compete do-over, so we'll wait and see what happens this year. No chest pounding like our friend from Madlax. Simply stating the fact that non-holdback teams are competing and beating the best holdback teams and have for over 5 years, running. AND HERE IS THE POINT... if LI teams can do it, then MD could do it too... win without holdbacks. Here's another interesting question. Why aren't the MD teams better than what they are? Older kids should beat younger, smaller kids, by a lot. But it hasn't happened. Why? My theory is that the holdback players are simply not as good as the non-holdback players, no matter where they are from. In general, they are substandard players that aren't successful against their own age players, so they need the advantage of playing against younger, smaller players. Now, there are always exceptions to every rule, but the overall statement I think is accurate. Clubs chose holdbacks over on-age kids, simply because of their size and strength advantage, and the clubs "win now" mentality. They are not better athletes and they certainly don't have the potential of the average on-age player. If you have your own theory (spin) as to why the holdback teams aren't nearly as good as they should be, I'd love to hear it.

Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.
Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


While you might sound reasonable, holdbacks are much older in relation to other youth teams.. Take your June holdback player. He is ALWAYS one of oldest players on field in the holdback era. He is older by 3 months to oldest on age player ( which, how many are born on Sept 1 ? ) . Yet on average , the holdback will always be older by 6-9 months at minimum to the majority of players. Now that is ALL the time. In youth sports we are talking about boys usually pre puberty or in the beginnings of most growth periods . Older is usually an advantage. Or at least makes up for your shortcomings. There is a Reason 3rd graders think 4th graders are sooo much older. LOL. The whole holdback/reclass/prefirst thing is wrong in Youth sports. Common sense.

As far competition between LI and MD . Many factors, but a big one is that LI has a pop of 7.5 million with a strong lacrosse culture. MD has 7 million in entire state with Balt and certain areas of DC with strong lax culture. Years ago LI had a much bigger USL participation than MD, not sure what numbers are now.



Gotta disagree with your logic... which is... LI has a much larger population, so that's their advantage... a larger pool of kids to choose from. Makes perfect sense, in theory, but in reality, it doesn't apply. The two top teams are from Suffolk County, not Nassau County (which is closer to the city, and far more densely populated). Suffolk is much more rural. Regardless, these two teams pull from the exact same area, which is about a 10 mile radius. This year, there is an exception or two to that rule, but I'd say 85% of the kids are still within that 10 mile radius. Therefore, I am willing to bet the pool of kids that these boys come from is far less populated than the pool that most MD teams draw from. Not trying to stir the pot, but I really don't see that as being any benefit at all for LI.

What you are saying about the culture is most definitely true. It's lacrosse first, for sure, but all the boys play several other sports as well. I would imagine that MD is equal in that regard. So again, I don't see culture as being an advantage over MD's culture. Maybe I'm wrong, but you guys seem really serious about your lacrosse, just like we are.

Then why? I still say it's due to the clubs infatuation with holdbacks, thinking they are the pot of gold at the end of their money rainbow. "Win now" with bigger kids, with much bigger advantages. Horde these players and win big and grow the business and make $$'s.

I've seen this close up, so I know it happens... the normal sized, very good, on age player is replaced by a far bigger holdback, with skills that are inferior to the on-age player. There is absolutely no comparison, skill-wise and IQ-wise, but some teams go with the bigger holdbacks.

***I have to think that anybody reading this has seen the same thing repeat itself over and over, correct??

Not saying that a strategically placed, highly skilled holdback ("skilled" being the operative word) isn't a very nice piece to have for a team. Obviously it can be and usually is. Nobody will every argue that. But when taken to the extreme, and teams replace on age skill kids, with holdbacks just because they are holdbacks and bigger, is not necessarily the recipe for success like some teams think it is. It really isn't.

I've seen teams of Liliputians win big games against very big players... games that they have no business winning, but they do. I've seen it time and time again where "skill (small) beats size and strength."

Having said that, I'd like to hear other arguments/theories on the topic. Maybe I'm wrong, but for now, I don't think there is a better theory out there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/02/19 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax is in your heads. Nobody cares about holdbacks except LI crybaby dads.

Madlax owns the island.


Based on the immaturity of the message, I am assuming that you are just a kid, however, if you are in fact a parent, get over yourself. While I hope that it never happens to anybody, imagine how you would feel if some double-holdback steamrolled your kid and caused a horrific injury, would that change your attitude. I realize that the same injury could occur by being hit by an on-age, or smaller, kid as well, but my guess would be that you would not rationalize it that way. For what it's worth, I am not from LI, despite what you may think, people from all over the lacrosse community think that the MD system is ridiculous.


Great comment. Have you ever seen one of these really big kids target some of the smallest kids on the field? Of course you have. It happens a lot. When it eventually results in a tragedy, and it will, this "class based" system will be changed very quickly. Very irresponsible though, thinking that we are all sitting here waiting for that to happen, before changes are made.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/02/19 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know some late summer 2005 kids that are some of the better athletes in the 2024 elite division. I also know some late summer 2005 kids that frankly aren't that good. I think it is unfair to say that a late summer 2005 kid is better just because he may be slightly older. Most of the summer 2005 kids that I know didn't start playing club lacrosse until around the third grade. I happen to have a kid that has a late summer birthday (he missed the 9/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks). When he started playing lacrosse, he only played rec and he was the youngest kid on the field. He was constantly playing kids that were 1-2 years older than he was. When he got run over by older kids, it just made him tougher and practice that much harder. Even when he started playing club, it was still age based. So again he was playing kids that were 1-2 years older. But now they weren't just older, they were skilled too. Have you ever considered that some of the late summer 2005 kids that play 2024 are not better just because they may be older? Maybe they are better because of all those years they spent playing older kids before they eventually ended up on a grade based team? As I have posted before, if Long Island kids are having to play kids that are older than they are, they will get the last laugh come high school when everything levels out. So rather than hating the "holdbacks," just enjoy the ride and be thankful that your kid is getting better from having to play older kids! Team rankings should mean nothing at this age. It should be about having fun and getting better before high school.



Just for the record, no one is hating holdbacks. The really annoying Madlax parent, who posts like a kid, but I'm sure is an adult... him, we hate.

That guys has been on the LI thread for several years with the same juvenile posts that he has just started putting on here... "we are Madlax, we are the best, blah, blah, blah"... really annoying stuff, every single day... for y-e-a-r-s. It's particularly annoying when Madlax is SECRETLY a year older than our kids, and still intensifies the trash talk (and mostly losing), as though their kids are all on age. Apparently the child-like adult doesn't like playing second fiddle to the younger LI teams.

So when you hear the hate form LI, it's towards that one guy. The rest of you folks, we like, a lot. I've never seen any posts from any MD parent that resemble the Madlax parents posts. You people are class acts, all the way around.

The holdback problem is really not a big deal for us, since there really aren't many on LI. If we go to MD and lose, no biggie... our boys are playing up. You MD folks are the ones that are getting hurt by it, not us. My only purpose is to let you know that this holdback issue is so out of control (you already know that) and in the end, it is probably hurting your region more than you know. I've got several kids, of a wide range of ages, so I've been doing this a very long time. And, as a former player, like many of you, with a real passion for the game, I care deeply for the sport and it's continued growth. Holdbacks are absolutely not in the best interest of the sport. Club's think it is in their best "business interest", but they are taking a very short term view of their strategy, and not anticipating the long term consequences, of which there are many. Sounds like another topic??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/03/19 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who says they have to go to traditional high schools. They could graduate early in the summer or they could go to a Prep academy like Culver or they could skip senior year sports if they have committed. These are real examples and are not made up. There are really young men turning 16 in their 8th grade year and will be playing in HoCo this year. Why is this so hard to believe. The Gonzage QB was 15 as a freshman and he turned 16 in November. Is it really so hard to believe there aren't a few young men 3-6 months older?

There's nothing in the water where giants grow for certain clubs and not for others.

No Baltimore kids in MIAA Conference are forgoing senior to go to Culver or
A prep academy. Maybe LI or DC.


agree...too old to get in.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/03/19 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


The first issue is if you stack a team full of summer birthdays or even earlier and have them play a diverse team of different ages. This is the first issue with the HoCo elite divisions. The better teams are completely stacked with this type of roster. There's a reason why they are "better" and it's not due to coaching.


If you are a 2024 parent who pays attention and your club is competitive, here's a better breakdown. There are approximately 21 players on a team, some more and some less but this is about right. At least a third of those kids will be older than the 9/1 guideline; about 10 will be born between September and December; and there might be 4-5 kids born after January. In the elite division, the numbers will skew even older.


The problem lies in those 7 and more like 14 for the elite division teams where their ages vary from a couple of months before up to 18 months before. Yes - 18 months before the 9/1 guideline.

Here's how it happens. You take a delayed entry child who is born in March (and I believe this is too old to play in class divisions) and then that kid re-classes. Now you have a 15 year old playing 7th grade lacrosse. I don't know about 7th grade HoCo but I know most 8th grade teams in the elite division have at least 1 and 1 team has 3. Yes - 3 young men who are 16 years old playing in an 8th grade division.

The age difference in teams for a class based league is way out of balance.




On Long Island, birthdays after 9/1 and before 12/31 are considered holdbacks, since they could/should be playing in the grade above, although that is a call that each parent must make at time of Kindergarten. Not sure if MD considers them holdbacks, but by definition, they are. The parents chooses (they have the option) to "hold them back".

Based on that and your comments above, the average MD "competitive" team is 70% holdbacks ("4 to 5 on age players"), and teams in "elite divisions, the numbers will skew even older."

So the MD teams that the LI teams play, have 2 - 3 on age players, who in all likelihood never see the field, against LI teams. Therefore, MD teams (that play LI teams) are 100% holdback teams. Said another way, they are 2023-age teams, playing down against 2024 LI on-age teams.

Thank you for confirming... that's exactly what I have known all along. There are no 2024-age players playing in the 2024 grade, in MD lacrosse. That's crazy-town. It makes absolutely no sense. It's amazing what profit and greed can do to a kids game. I wish you MD non-holdback parents, the best. You and your kids don't deserve this, and this is not what's best for the sport. Good luck.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/03/19 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


The first issue is if you stack a team full of summer birthdays or even earlier and have them play a diverse team of different ages. This is the first issue with the HoCo elite divisions. The better teams are completely stacked with this type of roster. There's a reason why they are "better" and it's not due to coaching.


If you are a 2024 parent who pays attention and your club is competitive, here's a better breakdown. There are approximately 21 players on a team, some more and some less but this is about right. At least a third of those kids will be older than the 9/1 guideline; about 10 will be born between September and December; and there might be 4-5 kids born after January. In the elite division, the numbers will skew even older.


The problem lies in those 7 and more like 14 for the elite division teams where their ages vary from a couple of months before up to 18 months before. Yes - 18 months before the 9/1 guideline.

Here's how it happens. You take a delayed entry child who is born in March (and I believe this is too old to play in class divisions) and then that kid re-classes. Now you have a 15 year old playing 7th grade lacrosse. I don't know about 7th grade HoCo but I know most 8th grade teams in the elite division have at least 1 and 1 team has 3. Yes - 3 young men who are 16 years old playing in an 8th grade division.

The age difference in teams for a class based league is way out of balance.




On Long Island, birthdays after 9/1 and before 12/31 are considered holdbacks, since they could/should be playing in the grade above, although that is a call that each parent must make at time of Kindergarten. Not sure if MD considers them holdbacks, but by definition, they are. The parents chooses (they have the option) to "hold them back".

Based on that and your comments above, the average MD "competitive" team is 70% holdbacks ("4 to 5 on age players"), and teams in "elite divisions, the numbers will skew even older."

So the MD teams that the LI teams play, have 2 - 3 on age players, who in all likelihood never see the field, against LI teams. Therefore, MD teams (that play LI teams) are 100% holdback teams. Said another way, they are 2023-age teams, playing down against 2024 LI on-age teams.

Thank you for confirming... that's exactly what I have known all along. There are no 2024-age players playing in the 2024 grade, in MD lacrosse. That's crazy-town. It makes absolutely no sense. It's amazing what profit and greed can do to a kids game. I wish you MD non-holdback parents, the best. You and your kids don't deserve this, and this is not what's best for the sport. Good luck.










The leagues in MD are set up based on grade, end of story. I suppose it's the club owners directing the HoCo league officials. Regardless, if you are in 7th grade you play 2024, and there are tons of kids in the 7th grade with birthdays between 9/1 and 12/31, and yes kids with birthdays of 1/1 to 8/31. Unless they change it, that's the way it works in MD. Stay on the island if you dont like it, or write your congressional representatives. Believe it or not, the double hold back is extremely rare and really doesn't happen until kids start their 9th grade year. An extremely small number of kids (1, maybe 2 in the grade year), likely the smaller ones, choose to switch private schools and repeat 8th grade. Your imaginations have you believing its systemic. It isn't, as kids don't want the spotlight from it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/03/19 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]


On Long Island, birthdays after 9/1 and before 12/31 are considered holdbacks, since they could/should be playing in the grade above, although that is a call that each parent must make at time of Kindergarten. Not sure if MD considers them holdbacks, but by definition, they are. The parents chooses (they have the option) to "hold them back".

Based on that and your comments above, the average MD "competitive" team is 70% holdbacks ("4 to 5 on age players"), and teams in "elite divisions, the numbers will skew even older."

So the MD teams that the LI teams play, have 2 - 3 on age players, who in all likelihood never see the field, against LI teams. Therefore, MD teams (that play LI teams) are 100% holdback teams. Said another way, they are 2023-age teams, playing down against 2024 LI on-age teams.

Thank you for confirming... that's exactly what I have known all along. There are no 2024-age players playing in the 2024 grade, in MD lacrosse. That's crazy-town. It makes absolutely no sense. It's amazing what profit and greed can do to a kids game. I wish you MD non-holdback parents, the best. You and your kids don't deserve this, and this is not what's best for the sport. Good luck.

I'm afraid only 5 states start their birth date standards after 10/1 and in 4 of those 5 states it is up to the local agency. So to say a kid is holdback when they are born after 9/1 just doesn't hold up in 45 out of 50 states and even in those 5 states there are localities with start dates before 1/1.

NY and those other 4 states currently have legislation pending to move the date to 9/1. As for the kids not deserving it, you'll have to go on every forum with the same losing argument. You'll also need to go to every NCAA school currently loaded with kids from other states besides NY and tell them they stink too.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/03/19 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know some late summer 2005 kids that are some of the better athletes in the 2024 elite division. I also know some late summer 2005 kids that frankly aren't that good. I think it is unfair to say that a late summer 2005 kid is better just because he may be slightly older. Most of the summer 2005 kids that I know didn't start playing club lacrosse until around the third grade. I happen to have a kid that has a late summer birthday (he missed the 9/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks). When he started playing lacrosse, he only played rec and he was the youngest kid on the field. He was constantly playing kids that were 1-2 years older than he was. When he got run over by older kids, it just made him tougher and practice that much harder. Even when he started playing club, it was still age based. So again he was playing kids that were 1-2 years older. But now they weren't just older, they were skilled too. Have you ever considered that some of the late summer 2005 kids that play 2024 are not better just because they may be older? Maybe they are better because of all those years they spent playing older kids before they eventually ended up on a grade based team? As I have posted before, if Long Island kids are having to play kids that are older than they are, they will get the last laugh come high school when everything levels out. So rather than hating the "holdbacks," just enjoy the ride and be thankful that your kid is getting better from having to play older kids! Team rankings should mean nothing at this age. It should be about having fun and getting better before high school.



Just for the record, no one is hating holdbacks. The really annoying Madlax parent, who posts like a kid, but I'm sure is an adult... him, we hate.

That guys has been on the LI thread for several years with the same juvenile posts that he has just started putting on here... "we are Madlax, we are the best, blah, blah, blah"... really annoying stuff, every single day... for y-e-a-r-s. It's particularly annoying when Madlax is SECRETLY a year older than our kids, and still intensifies the trash talk (and mostly losing), as though their kids are all on age. Apparently the child-like adult doesn't like playing second fiddle to the younger LI teams.

So when you hear the hate form LI, it's towards that one guy. The rest of you folks, we like, a lot. I've never seen any posts from any MD parent that resemble the Madlax parents posts. You people are class acts, all the way around.

The holdback problem is really not a big deal for us, since there really aren't many on LI. If we go to MD and lose, no biggie... our boys are playing up. You MD folks are the ones that are getting hurt by it, not us. My only purpose is to let you know that this holdback issue is so out of control (you already know that) and in the end, it is probably hurting your region more than you know. I've got several kids, of a wide range of ages, so I've been doing this a very long time. And, as a former player, like many of you, with a real passion for the game, I care deeply for the sport and it's continued growth. Holdbacks are absolutely not in the best interest of the sport. Club's think it is in their best "business interest", but they are taking a very short term view of their strategy, and not anticipating the long term consequences, of which there are many. Sounds like another topic??



Cool. My son is friends with a lot of the LI kids. No reason the parents shouldn't be too. It is a small community.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/04/19 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


The first issue is if you stack a team full of summer birthdays or even earlier and have them play a diverse team of different ages. This is the first issue with the HoCo elite divisions. The better teams are completely stacked with this type of roster. There's a reason why they are "better" and it's not due to coaching.


If you are a 2024 parent who pays attention and your club is competitive, here's a better breakdown. There are approximately 21 players on a team, some more and some less but this is about right. At least a third of those kids will be older than the 9/1 guideline; about 10 will be born between September and December; and there might be 4-5 kids born after January. In the elite division, the numbers will skew even older.


The problem lies in those 7 and more like 14 for the elite division teams where their ages vary from a couple of months before up to 18 months before. Yes - 18 months before the 9/1 guideline.

Here's how it happens. You take a delayed entry child who is born in March (and I believe this is too old to play in class divisions) and then that kid re-classes. Now you have a 15 year old playing 7th grade lacrosse. I don't know about 7th grade HoCo but I know most 8th grade teams in the elite division have at least 1 and 1 team has 3. Yes - 3 young men who are 16 years old playing in an 8th grade division.

The age difference in teams for a class based league is way out of balance.




On Long Island, birthdays after 9/1 and before 12/31 are considered holdbacks, since they could/should be playing in the grade above, although that is a call that each parent must make at time of Kindergarten. Not sure if MD considers them holdbacks, but by definition, they are. The parents chooses (they have the option) to "hold them back".

Based on that and your comments above, the average MD "competitive" team is 70% holdbacks ("4 to 5 on age players"), and teams in "elite divisions, the numbers will skew even older."

So the MD teams that the LI teams play, have 2 - 3 on age players, who in all likelihood never see the field, against LI teams. Therefore, MD teams (that play LI teams) are 100% holdback teams. Said another way, they are 2023-age teams, playing down against 2024 LI on-age teams.

Thank you for confirming... that's exactly what I have known all along. There are no 2024-age players playing in the 2024 grade, in MD lacrosse. That's crazy-town. It makes absolutely no sense. It's amazing what profit and greed can do to a kids game. I wish you MD non-holdback parents, the best. You and your kids don't deserve this, and this is not what's best for the sport. Good luck.










The leagues in MD are set up based on grade, end of story. I suppose it's the club owners directing the HoCo league officials. Regardless, if you are in 7th grade you play 2024, and there are tons of kids in the 7th grade with birthdays between 9/1 and 12/31, and yes kids with birthdays of 1/1 to 8/31. Unless they change it, that's the way it works in MD. Stay on the island if you dont like it, or write your congressional representatives. Believe it or not, the double hold back is extremely rare and really doesn't happen until kids start their 9th grade year. An extremely small number of kids (1, maybe 2 in the grade year), likely the smaller ones, choose to switch private schools and repeat 8th grade. Your imaginations have you believing its systemic. It isn't, as kids don't want the spotlight from it.


You’re talking to the wrong guy. Your holdbacks aren’t LI’s problem. They are the problem of the MD parents with 2024 kids, who are actually of 2024 age. Obviously that statement doesn’t apply to you. And, I believe that I said there aren’t many double holdbacks, yet. But how many 15 year olds does a 2024 team need, exactly? Just one “man”, with some skills, is a big time game changer. One 6’1” 175 lb 15 year old can make an average team, a contender. Hey, not my problem. I barely have to deal with it, unlike all of the MD parents, who have to deal with cheaters like yourself for another 5 years. And, based on their posts, they aren’t too happy about you giving your kid an unfair advantage over there boys. I don’t blame them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/04/19 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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The leagues in MD are set up based on grade, end of story. I suppose it's the club owners directing the HoCo league officials. Regardless, if you are in 7th grade you play 2024, and there are tons of kids in the 7th grade with birthdays between 9/1 and 12/31, and yes kids with birthdays of 1/1 to 8/31. Unless they change it, that's the way it works in MD. Stay on the island if you dont like it, or write your congressional representatives. Believe it or not, the double hold back is extremely rare and really doesn't happen until kids start their 9th grade year. An extremely small number of kids (1, maybe 2 in the grade year), likely the smaller ones, choose to switch private schools and repeat 8th grade. Your imaginations have you believing its systemic. It isn't, as kids don't want the spotlight from it.


So you don't think there should be an upper limit on age? It's okay for kids to be born up to 21 months before others in what is supposed to be a year-by-year designation! What about the kids born the year before from 9/1 - 12/31. What about the rare exception, MadLax 2023 has 3 and most of the other elite teams have 1-2, of a kid born before 3/1 and then repeats a grade.

It's not systemic but it's there.

Should there be an upper age limit on class based leagues?
What date should it be?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/04/19 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Quick question on "the facts". Honestly I am not trying to be difficult here but we have a lot of 15yo vs 12yo which seems pretty disingenuous to me. The cutoff date for age based is 9/1/2005. This means on average by the beginning of March the average age of 2024 kids is 13, not 12. Of course if your team has more summer 2006 birthdays the average will be 12+, but in that case even an "on age" team could be 6-9 months older if it had more fall birthdays. Most of the MD "holdbacks" I have encountered have summer 2005 birthdays, the reasons for this have been talked about a fair amount (private vs. public focus, etc.). So let's assume every kid on a team was born in June 2005 (which is a stretch as I know for a "fact" that the teams talked about here have "on age" players because it wasn't that long ago MD was age based as well) then by March, on average, the difference would be 9 months as opposed to the "cited facts" of 1 to 2 years. Of course talking in averages does not take into account individuals which can vary but since none of the LI or MD clubs post birth dates or birth certificates no one here really knows exact age or birthday. We can make some assumptions pre/post 9/1.

To your questions about how good MD teams are and why they are not "as good as they should be" since they are 1/2 years older is perhaps because they are actually closer in age than you make it out to be. I am not saying a 9 month age difference (which I think is a high end estimate) is not an advantage but it is a whole lot different than saying a 1 to 2 year difference and it is an age gap that can occur even in age based systems.

Let me know if I am doing the math wrong here.

I am a MD parent of an on age 2024 who believes that age based is the way to go in youth (pre high school) sports.


The first issue is if you stack a team full of summer birthdays or even earlier and have them play a diverse team of different ages. This is the first issue with the HoCo elite divisions. The better teams are completely stacked with this type of roster. There's a reason why they are "better" and it's not due to coaching.


If you are a 2024 parent who pays attention and your club is competitive, here's a better breakdown. There are approximately 21 players on a team, some more and some less but this is about right. At least a third of those kids will be older than the 9/1 guideline; about 10 will be born between September and December; and there might be 4-5 kids born after January. In the elite division, the numbers will skew even older.


The problem lies in those 7 and more like 14 for the elite division teams where their ages vary from a couple of months before up to 18 months before. Yes - 18 months before the 9/1 guideline.

Here's how it happens. You take a delayed entry child who is born in March (and I believe this is too old to play in class divisions) and then that kid re-classes. Now you have a 15 year old playing 7th grade lacrosse. I don't know about 7th grade HoCo but I know most 8th grade teams in the elite division have at least 1 and 1 team has 3. Yes - 3 young men who are 16 years old playing in an 8th grade division.

The age difference in teams for a class based league is way out of balance.




On Long Island, birthdays after 9/1 and before 12/31 are considered holdbacks, since they could/should be playing in the grade above, although that is a call that each parent must make at time of Kindergarten. Not sure if MD considers them holdbacks, but by definition, they are. The parents chooses (they have the option) to "hold them back".

Based on that and your comments above, the average MD "competitive" team is 70% holdbacks ("4 to 5 on age players"), and teams in "elite divisions, the numbers will skew even older."

So the MD teams that the LI teams play, have 2 - 3 on age players, who in all likelihood never see the field, against LI teams. Therefore, MD teams (that play LI teams) are 100% holdback teams. Said another way, they are 2023-age teams, playing down against 2024 LI on-age teams.

Thank you for confirming... that's exactly what I have known all along. There are no 2024-age players playing in the 2024 grade, in MD lacrosse. That's crazy-town. It makes absolutely no sense. It's amazing what profit and greed can do to a kids game. I wish you MD non-holdback parents, the best. You and your kids don't deserve this, and this is not what's best for the sport. Good luck.











That final statement is just not true as my son plays in the HOCO elite division and has a post 9/1 birthday (12 on 9/1) as do many of his teammates. Once again a lot of these kids were playing together during the age based years so they did not all magically become hold backs when they changed to grade. My point here is unless you have seen the birth certificate no one here really knows actual ages.

Not being difficult again but I really don't understand calling kids who meet the age requirement "holdbacks" as well. I don't understand how you slot your kids into school on LI but there are plenty of on age kids with fall birthdays who have never been "held back" so saying by definition if you have an on age kid but a fall birthday you are a hold back is odd at best.

Also, assuming any kid who was playing on age in 2023 and is now playing 2024 is a double hold back is not correct. As I said in a previous post the vast majority of kids I know with pre 9/1 birthdays were born in Jul-Aug of 2005 which means they may have been playing up in a grade based world and are now playing on grade or they were "held back". Either way making the leap to the double hold back once again is an assumption that I have not seen in reality.

Couple final things, I admittedly know nothing about the ages of 2023s or 2025s. I also fully agree it should be age based as that is what is best for the kids and the sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/04/19 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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The leagues in MD are set up based on grade, end of story. I suppose it's the club owners directing the HoCo league officials. Regardless, if you are in 7th grade you play 2024, and there are tons of kids in the 7th grade with birthdays between 9/1 and 12/31, and yes kids with birthdays of 1/1 to 8/31. Unless they change it, that's the way it works in MD. Stay on the island if you dont like it, or write your congressional representatives. Believe it or not, the double hold back is extremely rare and really doesn't happen until kids start their 9th grade year. An extremely small number of kids (1, maybe 2 in the grade year), likely the smaller ones, choose to switch private schools and repeat 8th grade. Your imaginations have you believing its systemic. It isn't, as kids don't want the spotlight from it.


So you don't think there should be an upper limit on age? It's okay for kids to be born up to 21 months before others in what is supposed to be a year-by-year designation! What about the kids born the year before from 9/1 - 12/31. What about the rare exception, MadLax 2023 has 3 and most of the other elite teams have 1-2, of a kid born before 3/1 and then repeats a grade.

It's not systemic but it's there.

Should there be an upper age limit on class based leagues?
What date should it be?

https://www.uslacrosse.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/rules/age-group-chart-18-19.pdf

This would give a good starting point. Elite division could opt to follow 15U guidelines however I know they would be crazy to follow 16U but it would make it interesting even though in the past 15U would always be considered HS it at least puts it out in the open and provides choice. It can end the debate.
This way a club in the AA division may choose to stay and help to get more players if they stay 14U
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/04/19 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]



The leagues in MD are set up based on grade, end of story. I suppose it's the club owners directing the HoCo league officials. Regardless, if you are in 7th grade you play 2024, and there are tons of kids in the 7th grade with birthdays between 9/1 and 12/31, and yes kids with birthdays of 1/1 to 8/31. Unless they change it, that's the way it works in MD. Stay on the island if you dont like it, or write your congressional representatives. Believe it or not, the double hold back is extremely rare and really doesn't happen until kids start their 9th grade year. An extremely small number of kids (1, maybe 2 in the grade year), likely the smaller ones, choose to switch private schools and repeat 8th grade. Your imaginations have you believing its systemic. It isn't, as kids don't want the spotlight from it.


So you don't think there should be an upper limit on age? It's okay for kids to be born up to 21 months before others in what is supposed to be a year-by-year designation! What about the kids born the year before from 9/1 - 12/31. What about the rare exception, MadLax 2023 has 3 and most of the other elite teams have 1-2, of a kid born before 3/1 and then repeats a grade.

It's not systemic but it's there.

Should there be an upper age limit on class based leagues?
What date should it be?

There is, it's 19 your senior year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/05/19 04:54 PM

It's 19 only for a senior entering that year. HoCo currently has no upper age limit for the league. That future age restriction has no bearing on the 15 year olds in 7th grade (very few) and 16 year old 8th graders (a few more) who will be playing this spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/16/19 09:34 PM

Any scores from Delaware Tournament today, I forgot my checkbook and couldn't afford parking so had to head back home.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/17/19 02:12 AM

I only know a few, Hawks green team 10-1 over Cherries, Sidewinders over Cherries 6-2 and Hawks black beat Cherries 7-2. Hawks black also beat Tribal SJ 8-2. Sorry, I don't know more but they are the only games I watched. The $10.50 parking was a bit crazy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/20/19 07:52 PM

I heard the schedule was out for the east qualifier from the WSYL but when I looked at it think someone confused it with a low level aloha type summer slam tournament.
https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/qualifiers/east-regional-qualifier/schedule-and-standings/

I think many clubs would not think this was a half decent summer event.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/20/19 08:25 PM

The holdback conversation between the LI parents and the MD parents does make my head swim. In Maryland the age cut-off line for starting kindergarten is 5 on September 1. Boys born between 9/1/2005 and 12/31/2005 are NOT 2024 holdbacks, they are classed correctly according to school enrollment laws for the state of Maryland.

The September 1st cut off date is also consistent with the age-based rules from US Lacrosse and WYSL (see above links).

So... if NY/LI has a cut off later in the year (12/1 or 1/1) that will not and should not influence how MD teams are form.

The class vs age-based debate will always be heated, but please get your facts right.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/20/19 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the schedule was out for the east qualifier from the WSYL but when I looked at it think someone confused it with a low level aloha type summer slam tournament.
https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/qualifiers/east-regional-qualifier/schedule-and-standings/

I think many clubs would not think this was a half decent summer event.



I think many clubs would not qualify due to the age restritions
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/20/19 11:16 PM

if more than 2 or 3 key players on 2024 teams do not meet age restrictions teams probably not playing. is eye opening in a sense.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the schedule was out for the east qualifier from the WSYL but when I looked at it think someone confused it with a low level aloha type summer slam tournament.
https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.com/qualifiers/east-regional-qualifier/schedule-and-standings/

I think many clubs would not think this was a half decent summer event.



I think many clubs would not qualify due to the age restritions


The "elite" division hoco mid-atlantic teams definitely don't have enough players for the age standards. If they promoted a bunch of 25's to the WSYL roster it would expose just how many players on their rosters are born before the 9/1 date.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
if more than 2 or 3 key players on 2024 teams do not meet age restrictions teams probably not playing. is eye opening in a sense.


2 or 3 in the elite division. You aren't paying attention. Kids don't magically get to be that big in those geographic areas where the clubs are based by coincidence.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 03:52 AM

Question to the MD HoCo elite division holdback parents.

What does it feel like when your sons “elite” team of cheaters loses to my sons LI team which is a year (or more) younger than your kids sorry team of cheaters.

Mad? Sad? Ashamed? Guilt? Embarrassed? Jealous?

Or all of the above?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Question to the MD HoCo elite division holdback parents.

What does it feel like when your sons “elite” team of cheaters loses to my sons LI team which is a year (or more) younger than your kids sorry team of cheaters.

Mad? Sad? Ashamed? Guilt? Embarrassed? Jealous?

Or all of the above?


Just keep telling yourself and junior whatever you think is best. Good luck in Denver AND at UMass in July.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Question to the MD HoCo elite division holdback parents.

What does it feel like when your sons “elite” team of cheaters loses to my sons LI team which is a year (or more) younger than your kids sorry team of cheaters.

Mad? Sad? Ashamed? Guilt? Embarrassed? Jealous?

Or all of the above?


Just keep telling yourself and junior whatever you think is best. Good luck in Denver AND at UMass in July.


Is that you Madlax holdback daddy? So why do you think all of the MD cheater teams are so, sooo bad, that they have to play down a year just to be able to compete with the far superior LI teams? Bad coaching? Bad players? Bad parents? Bad clubs? Maybe it just goes back to the age old truth... “cheaters never prosper”. Or maybe... “what goes around, comes around”.

And since there is no older team than Madlax anywhere, obviously this applies more to your kids sleezey team than anyone else’s. So thought you might have some insights for us.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/22/19 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Question to the MD HoCo elite division holdback parents.

What does it feel like when your sons “elite” team of cheaters loses to my sons LI team which is a year (or more) younger than your kids sorry team of cheaters.

Mad? Sad? Ashamed? Guilt? Embarrassed? Jealous?

Or all of the above?


Just keep telling yourself and junior whatever you think is best. Good luck in Denver AND at UMass in July.


Is that you Madlax holdback daddy? So why do you think all of the MD cheater teams are so, sooo bad, that they have to play down a year just to be able to compete with the far superior LI teams? Bad coaching? Bad players? Bad parents? Bad clubs? Maybe it just goes back to the age old truth... “cheaters never prosper”. Or maybe... “what goes around, comes around”.

And since there is no older team than Madlax anywhere, obviously this applies more to your kids sleezey team than anyone else’s. So thought you might have some insights for us.



This post is almost to dumb to comment on but here it goes.

First, in case you haven't heard MD plays in a grade based system (notIntelligent, I agree but it is what it is). I am not aware of anyone playing on a team below their grade so the continuous calling of teams "cheaters" is wrong. Debate the merits of age vs. grade based all you want, but when someone follows the rules their league/tournament plays under it is not cheating.

Second, the good old "no older team than Madlax". You have no idea the ages of the kids on the Madlax, or any other team. I am very aware that there are a fair number of "on age" kids on Madlax and the vast majority of "holdbacks" are mid/late summer birthdays (in other words 1 to 2 months off age) but keep spouting "fake news" about how the poor little LI kids are all a year+ younger if it makes you feel better, no one in MD cares and you are simply wrong, that is a fact.

Third, "so, sooo bad". Such a notIntelligent comment hard to even respond but the reality is that a good number of these kids will go on to play at some of the top high school programs in the country and then go on to top colleges. If this is your definition of so bad then we will take being bad. Feel free to take a look at the UA Top 25, 7 teams in the top 25 are fed by HoCo elite (4 LI teams in the top 10 vs. 3 HoCo). Then take a look at the top ranked recruits and where they are from.

Fourth, if this is such a major issue for the LI teams then here is an idea, don't play in grade based tournaments. If LI lacrosse is "far suprior" as you say then stay on the island, hit the road for the WSYL, proclaim yourself the masters of the 2024 age group and enjoy yourself. If the best lacrosse is on LI then stay there and compete against the best. The constant complaining and moaning has become pathetic but is actually pretty smart. You have created a win-win for yourself. If you lose to a MD team then it is because every kid on the team is 1+ years older, if you win then you can continue to believe in the superiority of LI lacrosse since you beat a team in your mind that is "playing down".

I will simply end this with a quote from Col. Nathan R. Jessep: "Either way, I don't give a darn, what you think you are entitled to!"
Posted By: JenPea78

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/25/19 12:16 AM

So.... HoCo scores from this weekend??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/25/19 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by JenPea78
So.... HoCo scores from this weekend??


Leave it to a woman to move on from the crap above and get down to business.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/25/19 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by JenPea78
So.... HoCo scores from this weekend??



Standings posted here, since only one game you can tell the scores.

https://www.eteamz.com/hcrpsports/standings/index.cfm?subsite=6171250
Posted By: JenPea78

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/25/19 05:11 PM

Thanks! I know how my kid’s team did but they normally aren’t so quick to update... on to week 2

And yes .... do we really need to go over the holdback thing ALL the time... accept and move on or play another sport... (mom of a 12, 13 this week 2024)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/25/19 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
So.... HoCo scores from this weekend??



Standings posted here, since only one game you can tell the scores.

https://www.eteamz.com/hcrpsports/standings/index.cfm?subsite=6171250

Who won between Madlax and Bethesda? It's not showing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/26/19 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
So.... HoCo scores from this weekend??



Standings posted here, since only one game you can tell the scores.

https://www.eteamz.com/hcrpsports/standings/index.cfm?subsite=6171250

Who won between Madlax and Bethesda? It's not showing.


They did not play because of Spring Breaks. Will be made up at a later time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 02:41 AM

How many on age players play in the HoCo league of cheaters? Obviously less than 15 total, or one of the cheater clubs would be sending a team to the WORLD SERIES OF YOUTH LACROSSE to compete for the world championship of 13 year old lacrosse (sorry, no 14 and 15 year olds allowed, cheater teams)!

But you guys keep stockpiling your 14 and 15 year olds, just to have a “chance” at beating 13 year olds from LI, in some meaningless 7th grade tournament, that everyone forgets about on the ride home. Sorry. I don’t mean to belittle your games with LI teams because I’m sure it’s like the super bowl to your boys. But to us it’s [ChillLaxin] hum. Nobody cares. Especially when our boys will be playing for a TRUE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!

I know. Compared to that, your boys have nothing to look forward to this summer, except maybe getting their drivers liscence.

Have fun in your little HoCo play dates.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many on age players play in the HoCo league of cheaters? Obviously less than 15 total, or one of the cheater clubs would be sending a team to the WORLD SERIES OF YOUTH LACROSSE to compete for the world championship of 13 year old lacrosse (sorry, no 14 and 15 year olds allowed, cheater teams)!

But you guys keep stockpiling your 14 and 15 year olds, just to have a “chance” at beating 13 year olds from LI, in some meaningless 7th grade tournament, that everyone forgets about on the ride home. Sorry. I don’t mean to belittle your games with LI teams because I’m sure it’s like the super bowl to your boys. But to us it’s [ChillLaxin] hum. Nobody cares. Especially when our boys will be playing for a TRUE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!

I know. Compared to that, your boys have nothing to look forward to this summer, except maybe getting their drivers liscence.

Have fun in your little HoCo play dates.



Get some professional help. Seriously.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many on age players play in the HoCo league of cheaters? Obviously less than 15 total, or one of the cheater clubs would be sending a team to the WORLD SERIES OF YOUTH LACROSSE to compete for the world championship of 13 year old lacrosse (sorry, no 14 and 15 year olds allowed, cheater teams)!

But you guys keep stockpiling your 14 and 15 year olds, just to have a “chance” at beating 13 year olds from LI, in some meaningless 7th grade tournament, that everyone forgets about on the ride home. Sorry. I don’t mean to belittle your games with LI teams because I’m sure it’s like the super bowl to your boys. But to us it’s [ChillLaxin] hum. Nobody cares. Especially when our boys will be playing for a TRUE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!

I know. Compared to that, your boys have nothing to look forward to this summer, except maybe getting their drivers liscence.

Have fun in your little HoCo play dates.




From previous poster....

"First, in case you haven't heard MD plays in a grade based system (not Intelligent, I agree but it is what it is). I am not aware of anyone playing on a team below their grade so the continuous calling of teams "cheaters" is wrong. Debate the merits of age vs. grade based all you want, but when someone follows the rules their league/tournament plays under it is not cheating.

Second, the good old "no older team than Madlax". You have no idea the ages of the kids on the Madlax, or any other team. I am very aware that there are a fair number of "on age" kids on Madlax and the vast majority of "holdbacks" are mid/late summer birthdays (in other words 1 to 2 months off age) but keep spouting "fake news" about how the poor little LI kids are all a year+ younger if it makes you feel better, no one in MD cares and you are simply wrong, that is a fact.

Third, "so, sooo bad". Such an unintelligent comment, hard to even respond but the reality is that a good number of these kids will go on to play at some of the top high school programs in the country and then go on to top colleges. If this is your definition of so bad then we will take being bad. Feel free to take a look at the UA Top 25, 7 teams in the top 25 are fed by HoCo elite (4 LI teams in the top 10 vs. 3 HoCo). Then take a look at the top ranked recruits and where they are from.

Fourth, if this is such a major issue for the LI teams then here is an idea, don't play in grade based tournaments. If LI lacrosse is "far suprior" as you say then stay on the island, hit the road for the WSYL, proclaim yourself the masters of the 2024 age group and enjoy yourself. If the best lacrosse is on LI then stay there and compete against the best. The constant complaining and moaning has become pathetic but is actually pretty smart. You have created a win-win for yourself. If you lose to a MD team then it is because every kid on the team is 1+ years older, if you win then you can continue to believe in the superiority of LI lacrosse since you beat a team in your mind that is "playing down".

I will simply end this with a quote from Col. Nathan R. Jessep: "Either way, I don't give a darn, what you think you are entitled to!"

See you at UMASS in July.
Posted By: JenPea78

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 01:34 PM

UGH.... I thought we were moving past this....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by JenPea78
UGH.... I thought we were moving past this....

If they move on, they have to stop pounding their little man chests. Just laugh at them, especially the LI ones who only feel like big men when they troll the mid Atlantic forums.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many on age players play in the HoCo league of cheaters? Obviously less than 15 total, or one of the cheater clubs would be sending a team to the WORLD SERIES OF YOUTH LACROSSE to compete for the world championship of 13 year old lacrosse (sorry, no 14 and 15 year olds allowed, cheater teams)!

But you guys keep stockpiling your 14 and 15 year olds, just to have a “chance” at beating 13 year olds from LI, in some meaningless 7th grade tournament, that everyone forgets about on the ride home. Sorry. I don’t mean to belittle your games with LI teams because I’m sure it’s like the super bowl to your boys. But to us it’s [ChillLaxin] hum. Nobody cares. Especially when our boys will be playing for a TRUE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!

I know. Compared to that, your boys have nothing to look forward to this summer, except maybe getting their drivers liscence.

Have fun in your little HoCo play dates.





Thank you for the kind note at the end of your post, we will have fun watching our kids and teams play this spring! It is always fun watching kids who in the near future go on to the top high school and then college programs in the nation. I am sure it is the same in LI.

I know my 13yo son is looking forward to the spring and summer season playing a sport he loves, if that is "meaningless" then I am not sure what the term means. Then again he is only 13 so he does not grasp the full impact a 13yo game/tournament can play in your future happiness (for the OP this is sarcasm since I assume you are a kid or an adult with a kid's intellect). For this I am eternally grateful. I truly hope you and/or your kids have a great time at the WSYL, I am sure it will be a great experience.

Also, just as an FYI, no one down here really cares about playing LI teams any more than they do about playing MD, PA, VA, DC, etc. teams. I think you may be living a few years in the past where LI was the single source of dominance in the sport of lacrosse. Any quick read through high school polls, recruiting rankings, etc. show this is fast becoming a nationwide sport with exceptional talent all across the country. This is great for the sport and the kids. LI will always be a hotbed of lacrosse but feel free to join us in the year 2019.

One final note, you sound so angry and pathetic posting on the MD forum. Here is a novel idea, why don't you stay on the LI board. Perhaps you will be a happier person if you focus on what you know in your little region of the world. I know I will be content staying on the MD forum and seeing how the teams do in the HoCo league and the summer tournament season.

To my fellow MD people, hope everyone's son(s) have a great HoCo and summer season!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 02:38 PM

quote=Anonymous]How many on age players play in the HoCo league of cheaters? Obviously less than 15 total, or one of the cheater clubs would be sending a team to the WORLD SERIES OF YOUTH LACROSSE to compete for the world championship of 13 year old lacrosse (sorry, no 14 and 15 year olds allowed, cheater teams)!

But you guys keep stockpiling your 14 and 15 year olds, just to have a “chance” at beating 13 year olds from LI, in some meaningless 7th grade tournament, that everyone forgets about on the ride home. Sorry. I don’t mean to belittle your games with LI teams because I’m sure it’s like the super bowl to your boys. But to us it’s [ChillLaxin] hum. Nobody cares. Especially when our boys will be playing for a TRUE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!

I know. Compared to that, your boys have nothing to look forward to this summer, except maybe getting their drivers liscence.

Have fun in your little HoCo play dates.



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LI dad with nothing better to do than troll a mid Atlantic forum at 10pm at night to pound his overly hairy chest about 7th grade lacrosse. lost. Go make love to your wife at night instead of high-fiving yourself over a post that my guess is got you overly excited.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 03:02 PM

MD v LI is Apple's and oranges. Don't feed the troll.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MD v LI is Apple's and oranges. Don't feed the troll.


You’re right. MD are all 2023 cheaters trying desperatelty to compete with true 2024 age kids from LI, by all means necessary. Apples and oranges. Bad apples from MD.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MD v LI is Apple's and oranges. Don't feed the troll.


You’re right. MD are all 2023 cheaters trying desperatelty to compete with true 2024 age kids from LI, by all means necessary. Apples and oranges. Bad apples from MD.



Must be really embarrassing when your boys still lose, which is most of the time. Cheat and still lose. What's next? You already have a few 2022 age kids. 2021's next???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 10:44 PM

I am not sure what is worse. Hearing LI parents' commentary during games or the whining about hold backs.
Posted By: JenPea78

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
UGH.... I thought we were moving past this....

If they move on, they have to stop pounding their little man chests. Just laugh at them, especially the LI ones who only feel like big men when they troll the mid Atlantic forums.



Don’t they have their own board to whine on???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by JenPea78
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
UGH.... I thought we were moving past this....

If they move on, they have to stop pounding their little man chests. Just laugh at them, especially the LI ones who only feel like big men when they troll the mid Atlantic forums.



Don’t they have their own board to whine on???


They do, which makes it even funnier.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
UGH.... I thought we were moving past this....

If they move on, they have to stop pounding their little man chests. Just laugh at them, especially the LI ones who only feel like big men when they troll the mid Atlantic forums.



Don’t they have their own board to whine on???


They do, which makes it even funnier.


Thank you for the stimulating commentary, holdback parent. No one will ever "get past" the corrupt culture in MD youth lacrosse, until people like you are eradicated from the landscape.

And the only one that would ever disagree with that statement, are the cheating holdback parents.

~ Parent of a MD On-age Player
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
UGH.... I thought we were moving past this....

If they move on, they have to stop pounding their little man chests. Just laugh at them, especially the LI ones who only feel like big men when they troll the mid Atlantic forums.



Don’t they have their own board to whine on???


They do, which makes it even funnier.


Thank you for the stimulating commentary, holdback parent. No one will ever "get past" the corrupt culture in MD youth lacrosse, until people like you are eradicated from the landscape.

And the only one that would ever disagree with that statement, are the cheating holdback parents.

~ Parent of a MD On-age Player




Wow, such righteous indignation. You respond to a comment with a statement that has little to do with what the poster wrote while making an unknowing assumption, well done. In addition you wrap it up with the now fairly common and weak minded, "if you don't agree with me you are wrong and a bad person statement". Very compelling stuff. It is actually pretty funny to read all the hate and hating thrown around an anonymous forum. All you have to do is take a stroll through the LI forums to see that it is even worse on those forums. You would think there were national security implications to the sport of lacrosse.

I too am the parent of an on age MD parent. I too agree that at the youth level kids should be playing in age based systems. The purpose of these forums is to either b**** and moan which is funny since the comments are so silly, outrageous and full of "fake news", or to provide some level of information helpful to others. To that end my question to all the MD and LI posters who b**** and moan about the holdback situation is - what is your recommendation to solve the problem, to get us back to an age based system? No one ever seems to offer a solution so yes we will continue to find these posts of indignation funny and more than a little pathetic. I will readily admit I have no idea how to make this change happen.

End of the day this is a youth sport. We are lucky that we have a league with numerous divisions at each grade where pretty much any kid who wants to play competitive lacrosse can do so. We are fortunate that our son, and many of his teammates, are able to play at the elite level, on age. I am guessing they would be even better served under an age based system but being a year or two away from high school where at the elite level holdbacks across all sports and all regions (yes, even you LI) are not uncommon I am not 100% sure about that. So once again I would ask all the people who complain on this forum: what do we do to change back to an age based system knowing the potentially high rewards (good high school, good college) enabled by a grade based system that includes holdbacks? It is hard to get the genie back in the bottle and none of the parents released this genie.

~ Also a Parent of a MD On-age Player Who Understands This is Only One of Many Youth Sports Available to Our Kids and That 7th Grade Lacrosse is not Going to Make or Break Our Kid's Life
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 06:12 PM

One issue is the LI trollers continue to try and compare the age based system to the class based system and they aren't the same.
I do think the class based system is out of whack when you have rosters comprised of more than 50% of the players born prior to the 9/1 date and some born as much as 11 months before. I have spoken to HoCo and they continue to say the competition committee decides the rules and those clubs have no interest in changing the rules. They divide the divisions based on skill and age comes into play. The elite division rosters are all older than those of the lower tiers. The teams whose records are at the bottom are given more favor if their rosters are older so they don't physically dominate the younger rosters even if they are of equal or maybe even lesser skill.
The best solution is by exact birth date where the kid wlll be the youngest and eventually the oldest on a roster but people always say "oh this ruins team chemistry" and that is BS at this age.
The above will never happen so I think the best is to have a class based solution with no more than 25% of the roster being born prior to 9/1. That's 4-5 kids per team. If HoCo did that, the MadLax's, BLC's and Team 91's would adjust their team tryouts and rosters accordingly. They'd shuffle some of the older kids to their B team rosters and it would balance things out for them. And if you are the 5th or 6th best oldest child on the roster, you should be playing rec or on a B until or if you get better.
Posted By: cltlax

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, such righteous indignation. You respond to a comment with a statement that has little to do with what the poster wrote while making an unknowing assumption, well done. In addition you wrap it up with the now fairly common and weak minded, "if you don't agree with me you are wrong and a bad person statement". Very compelling stuff. It is actually pretty funny to read all the hate and hating thrown around an anonymous forum. All you have to do is take a stroll through the LI forums to see that it is even worse on those forums. You would think there were national security implications to the sport of lacrosse.

I too am the parent of an on age MD parent. I too agree that at the youth level kids should be playing in age based systems. The purpose of these forums is to either b**** and moan which is funny since the comments are so silly, outrageous and full of "fake news", or to provide some level of information helpful to others. To that end my question to all the MD and LI posters who b**** and moan about the holdback situation is - what is your recommendation to solve the problem, to get us back to an age based system? No one ever seems to offer a solution so yes we will continue to find these posts of indignation funny and more than a little pathetic. I will readily admit I have no idea how to make this change happen.

End of the day this is a youth sport. We are lucky that we have a league with numerous divisions at each grade where pretty much any kid who wants to play competitive lacrosse can do so. We are fortunate that our son, and many of his teammates, are able to play at the elite level, on age. I am guessing they would be even better served under an age based system but being a year or two away from high school where at the elite level holdbacks across all sports and all regions (yes, even you LI) are not uncommon I am not 100% sure about that. So once again I would ask all the people who complain on this forum: what do we do to change back to an age based system knowing the potentially high rewards (good high school, good college) enabled by a grade based system that includes holdbacks? It is hard to get the genie back in the bottle and none of the parents released this genie.

~ Also a Parent of a MD On-age Player Who Understands This is Only One of Many Youth Sports Available to Our Kids and That 7th Grade Lacrosse is not Going to Make or Break Our Kid's Life


Youth soccer operates on a strictly age-based system. When I last checked, there were still kids being recruited to college with this system. It really shouldn't be all that hard - set the age cut-off date (soccer uses Jan 1) and play U12, U13, U14, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 06:52 PM

PP here. I think there are a lot of age based systems that work, the issue here is not that there are not good age based systems we could play under, it is that the leagues, clubs and tournament sponsors (and assume high schools) push/allow a grade based system. How do we change that? I assume it would start with getting HoCo to change its' policies but it appears the league is effectively run by the clubs so back to square one.

It wasn't that long ago that we were playing in an age based system, seemed to work fine. As the other poster said as well there are lots (if not the vast majority) of club youth sports that play under age based systems and they seem to be doing fine.

I really like the idea of grade with a max number of pre 9/1 birthdays, that would seem to be a decent compromise.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 07:10 PM

Hockey is strictly age-baed as well. Jan 1. Works great.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 08:07 PM

The age based systems don't work well. Ask the parents whose kids are at the bottom of the age range and are always playing against older kids. Study after study shows they are at a physical and coaching disadvantage.

The last I checked we are a nation of 340 million who can't produce enough top flight players to either form a competitive pro soccer league or a team to qualify for the most recent World Cup. The age based and current organization of soccer stinks in this country. We can debate at what level things contribute to this but it still stinks. Also, there were only 3 soccer high school all americans out of 68 on the roster and there were 9 out of 44 for lacrosse in the Baltimore/DC area.

And you are wrong about hockey. First of all, their ages runs from September 1 through August 31 and they have 2 year segments which is totally different from the MD area where there are enough lacrosse players to run yearly teams. Also, they allow over age exceptions to team rosters of up to 4 regular players and the goalie. https://www.ushl.com/news_article/show/749141

I proposed the idea of roster exceptions to HoCo and my kid's club and they said the Madlax's, BLC's and Team 91's would never go for it. The established clubs love it and the smaller clubs think they are going to become Madlax someday and take solace in competing against teams more like them. The really funny thing is none of these teams are a "class" at a school. What's outrageous is when a team has kids born prior to March 1 and then those kids are repeated prior to 8th grade. These kids/young men are now driving to their HoCo spring games. There are at least 6 playing this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 08:22 PM

Oh and by the way. US youth soccer uses 8/1 as their start date so this allows for very late summer delayed entry kids. They also have a moving eligibility date based on the length of the season and the birth year. It was a major change in 2017 but has already been absorbed. Let's see if they have success.
Posted By: cltlax

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh and by the way. US youth soccer uses 8/1 as their start date so this allows for very late summer delayed entry kids. They also have a moving eligibility date based on the length of the season and the birth year. It was a major change in 2017 but has already been absorbed. Let's see if they have success.


Not to split hairs, but I'm pretty sure it's calendar year. My daughter is 13U in soccer, born in 2006. Her team is referred to as ________ '06 Girls

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/file.aspx?DocumentId=591
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 10:10 PM

Jesus you all take 7/8 grade lacrosse way to serious.
A) My kid plays one of the elite LI Team’s
B) Who really gives a Laxx if a kid is a year older.
C) Besides LI, DMV and Philly no one really gives a dam about lacrosse.
D) Very very few of the boys will garner any type of scholarship to justify the god awful amount of money we spend on this sport.
E) I can’t tell you how many hours and dollars that I’ve spent to make these club owners rich.
F) Hate baseball but wished he didn’t
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
PP here. I think there are a lot of age based systems that work, the issue here is not that there are not good age based systems we could play under, it is that the leagues, clubs and tournament sponsors (and assume high schools) push/allow a grade based system. How do we change that? I assume it would start with getting HoCo to change its' policies but it appears the league is effectively run by the clubs so back to square one.

It wasn't that long ago that we were playing in an age based system, seemed to work fine. As the other poster said as well there are lots (if not the vast majority) of club youth sports that play under age based systems and they seem to be doing fine.

I really like the idea of grade with a max number of pre 9/1 birthdays, that would seem to be a decent compromise.


Yeah. That’s a great idea! Only cheat a little. Just let a select few, cheat. Kinda like being sorta pregnant. Thats a solution?? Why are you looking for a compromise to a corrupt system? It’s a cancer. The entire cancer needs to be removed with an age based system. It couldn’t be any simpler or easier.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The age based systems don't work well. Ask the parents whose kids are at the bottom of the age range and are always playing against older kids. Study after study shows they are at a physical and coaching disadvantage.

The last I checked we are a nation of 340 million who can't produce enough top flight players to either form a competitive pro soccer league or a team to qualify for the most recent World Cup. The age based and current organization of soccer stinks in this country. We can debate at what level things contribute to this but it still stinks. Also, there were only 3 soccer high school all americans out of 68 on the roster and there were 9 out of 44 for lacrosse in the Baltimore/DC area.

And you are wrong about hockey. First of all, their ages runs from September 1 through August 31 and they have 2 year segments which is totally different from the MD area where there are enough lacrosse players to run yearly teams. Also, they allow over age exceptions to team rosters of up to 4 regular players and the goalie. https://www.ushl.com/news_article/show/749141

I proposed the idea of roster exceptions to HoCo and my kid's club and they said the Madlax's, BLC's and Team 91's would never go for it. The established clubs love it and the smaller clubs think they are going to become Madlax someday and take solace in competing against teams more like them. The really funny thing is none of these teams are a "class" at a school. What's outrageous is when a team has kids born prior to March 1 and then those kids are repeated prior to 8th grade. These kids/young men are now driving to their HoCo spring games. There are at least 6 playing this year.


Complete straw man arguments. Soccer does great with a strict age based system . Colleges recruit just fine without the grade based system, All competition in US is just like it is all over the world.. Jan 1 to Dec 31. Age based ,, USA soccer world cup woes have nothing to do with you straw man argument.. Tiny Spain goes by age based too and they do just fine in world cup. I actually tried to explain to a Spanish soccer rep about grade based lacrosse and youth..He said I was nuts! LOL

And to top it off you make the argument against holdbacks ! " kids are at the bottom of the age range and are always playing against older kids" So you think it is ok for select holdback kids to be the oldest but only them, not on age based kids??? LOL

Hockey AAA at top level is strictly year born based like Soccer..Might want to look up AAA Hockey in Michigan or anywhere ( State that has produced most NHL players) . Many youth rec/club hockey are Sept 1-Aug 31 like Lacrosse used to be for over 50 years until recently.

Lacrosse has only been grade based in last 5 years..Somehow it survived for many years..Even Crabs top Youth teams were U13 and U15 plus they had High School teams which were based on grade ( rightly so) .

I am glad you are doing something with HOCO..But you will never get anywhere with this Top Hall of Shame league. I wrote to them several times at beginning. Got NO WHERE ! Not sure now..But a few years ago, HOCO personal had children and ties to Private school with holdbacks.. Go figure
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PP here. I think there are a lot of age based systems that work, the issue here is not that there are not good age based systems we could play under, it is that the leagues, clubs and tournament sponsors (and assume high schools) push/allow a grade based system. How do we change that? I assume it would start with getting HoCo to change its' policies but it appears the league is effectively run by the clubs so back to square one.

It wasn't that long ago that we were playing in an age based system, seemed to work fine. As the other poster said as well there are lots (if not the vast majority) of club youth sports that play under age based systems and they seem to be doing fine.

I really like the idea of grade with a max number of pre 9/1 birthdays, that would seem to be a decent compromise.


Yeah. That’s a great idea! Only cheat a little. Just let a select few, cheat. Kinda like being sorta pregnant. Thats a solution?? Why are you looking for a compromise to a corrupt system? It’s a cancer. The entire cancer needs to be removed with an age based system. It couldn’t be any simpler or easier.




That is to simple and how it was for decades without issue. But what would happen to all the holdbacks/prefirst at the MIAA privates or wanta be reclass who want to go there ??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/29/19 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PP here. I think there are a lot of age based systems that work, the issue here is not that there are not good age based systems we could play under, it is that the leagues, clubs and tournament sponsors (and assume high schools) push/allow a grade based system. How do we change that? I assume it would start with getting HoCo to change its' policies but it appears the league is effectively run by the clubs so back to square one.

It wasn't that long ago that we were playing in an age based system, seemed to work fine. As the other poster said as well there are lots (if not the vast majority) of club youth sports that play under age based systems and they seem to be doing fine.

I really like the idea of grade with a max number of pre 9/1 birthdays, that would seem to be a decent compromise.


Yeah. That’s a great idea! Only cheat a little. Just let a select few, cheat. Kinda like being sorta pregnant. Thats a solution?? Why are you looking for a compromise to a corrupt system? It’s a cancer. The entire cancer needs to be removed with an age based system. It couldn’t be any simpler or easier.




That is to simple and how it was for decades without issue. But what would happen to all the holdbacks/prefirst at the MIAA privates or wanta be reclass who want to go there ??

Should just go with 2005 birth year, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/30/19 02:45 AM

[/quote]

Complete straw man arguments. Soccer does great with a strict age based system . Colleges recruit just fine without the grade based system, All competition in US is just like it is all over the world.. Jan 1 to Dec 31. Age based ,, USA soccer world cup woes have nothing to do with you straw man argument.. Tiny Spain goes by age based too and they do just fine in world cup. I actually tried to explain to a Spanish soccer rep about grade based lacrosse and youth..He said I was nuts! LOL

And to top it off you make the argument against holdbacks ! " kids are at the bottom of the age range and are always playing against older kids" So you think it is ok for select holdback kids to be the oldest but only them, not on age based kids??? LOL

Hockey AAA at top level is strictly year born based like Soccer..Might want to look up AAA Hockey in Michigan or anywhere ( State that has produced most NHL players) . Many youth rec/club hockey are Sept 1-Aug 31 like Lacrosse used to be for over 50 years until recently.

Lacrosse has only been grade based in last 5 years..Somehow it survived for many years..Even Crabs top Youth teams were U13 and U15 plus they had High School teams which were based on grade ( rightly so) .

I am glad you are doing something with HOCO..But you will never get anywhere with this Top Hall of Shame league. I wrote to them several times at beginning. Got NO WHERE ! Not sure now..But a few years ago, HOCO personal had children and ties to Private school with holdbacks.. Go figure


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Uhh. Soccer stinks and doesn't do well with an age based system. You are also ignoring the 8/1 start date.
I didn't say it was ok. I said the fairest system is to base it on exact birth date. That gets rid of any age bias.
Hockey is not strictly age based and I posted the link.
Lacrosse recruits just fine with class based. No one is complaining about recruiting except for LI moaners. BTW, only 5 states in the US use a 1/1 start date for class year.
So you think you are going to shame the lacrosse world by posting on this forum. It's time to move on little man. This subject has worn you out.
Posted By: JenPea78

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/30/19 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
UGH.... I thought we were moving past this....

If they move on, they have to stop pounding their little man chests. Just laugh at them, especially the LI ones who only feel like big men when they troll the mid Atlantic forums.



Don’t they have their own board to whine on???


They do, which makes it even funnier.


Thank you for the stimulating commentary, holdback parent. No one will ever "get past" the corrupt culture in MD youth lacrosse, until people like you are eradicated from the landscape.

And the only one that would ever disagree with that statement, are the cheating holdback parents.

~ Parent of a MD On-age Player





As I’ll say again.... and you should be able to see cause I’m a big enough girl to log in and post my comments under my name.

My son is a 2024 ON AGE player..... just turned 13 yesterday thank you very much.

I feel like the constant complaining about a “problem” doesn’t change anything and just gives people something to B**** about.

Personally if I’m holding back my kid in school it would be for an academic issue and then his butt wouldn’t be playing ANYWHERE or ANYTHING because his job is school not sports
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/01/19 06:26 PM

Well said.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/01/19 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by JenPea78
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by JenPea78
UGH.... I thought we were moving past this....

If they move on, they have to stop pounding their little man chests. Just laugh at them, especially the LI ones who only feel like big men when they troll the mid Atlantic forums.



Don’t they have their own board to whine on???


They do, which makes it even funnier.


Thank you for the stimulating commentary, holdback parent. No one will ever "get past" the corrupt culture in MD youth lacrosse, until people like you are eradicated from the landscape.

And the only one that would ever disagree with that statement, are the cheating holdback parents.

~ Parent of a MD On-age Player





As I’ll say again.... and you should be able to see cause I’m a big enough girl to log in and post my comments under my name.

My son is a 2024 ON AGE player..... just turned 13 yesterday thank you very much.

I feel like the constant complaining about a “problem” doesn’t change anything and just gives people something to B**** about.

Personally if I’m holding back my kid in school it would be for an academic issue and then his butt wouldn’t be playing ANYWHERE or ANYTHING because his job is school not sports


That’s very nice. There is one on age kid in MD, apparently. Hurrah!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/02/19 12:08 AM

Total joke that Team 91MD is allowed to play elite agaon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/02/19 12:09 AM

Total joke that Team 91MD is allowed to play elite agaon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/02/19 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Total joke that Team 91MD is allowed to play elite agaon.

Hey buddy, this isn't the 2023 page, it's the 2024.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/02/19 02:16 AM

The 2023 kids that play on the 2024 team belong in Elite they won Elite last year. I think you are referring to the 2022’s that play 2023. They are not at the elite level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/02/19 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2023 kids that play on the 2024 team belong in Elite they won Elite last year. I think you are referring to the 2022’s that play 2023. They are not at the elite level.


There aren't any 23s on the 24 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/08/19 01:25 PM

Did I read these scores from yesterday correctly? Madlax beat Crabs 18-1 and Bethesda lost to Next Level?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/08/19 03:06 PM

You are correct.

Madlax is a very good team and they played pretty much flawlessly yesterday, will not happen every week but when a good team executes at all levels you can have games like this.

NL is much improved over last year, picked up some solid kids and pretty well coached. Have seen them play, definitely added some good lacrosse players and some good athletes who have the potential to be good lacrosse players with time playing the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/08/19 08:26 PM

My son has played for Next Level, and I can tell you from first hand experience that DM is one of the best coaches out there. My kid doesn't currently play for DM, but he wishes he still did. DM is a class act and a wonderful role model. The NL 2024 team doesn't have an army of older kids like some of the other teams do. But DM does more with less, and he actually cares about making the kids better, even if it means a loss on the field. I have watched other teams practice, where it is all about team offense and defense and how to get a win on Sunday. I have watched practices where 90% of the team is standing around so that a handful of role players can practice creating screens for the bigger, older kids. It is all about creating isolation. No off ball movement or fundamentals. DM is the complete opposite. He works on things that matter, and makes all the kids better, not just a handful of ringers. As word gets out, that NL 2024 team will get better and better players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/08/19 10:44 PM

The following scores tell you all you need to know.

Madlax 18, Crabs 1
T91 10, Crabs 5
Bethesda 8, Crabs 6

It is going to be Madlax, T91, and Hawks at the top, in that order. Looneys, Bethesda, and Next Level will be in a race to lose first round to Madlax. Crabs or FCA will have 1 win, and the other will have none.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/09/19 12:53 AM

Hi guys. Looking forward to playing the cheater teams. The boys have been playing top 2023 teams up here on LI, to get ready for your older boys. You know, 2023 age kids on LI are 2024 age kids in MD. I think that’s a pretty good plan. What do you guys think? Not sure though. Maybe we should be playing older boys in 2022. I know you guys say that double holdbacks are rare, but I’m not sure what that means. Maybe you can help me. Does “rare” mean one double holdback per team? Or two, or three? I really don’t know. Appreciate your help from ya all. See you soon!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/09/19 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi guys. Looking forward to playing the cheater teams. The boys have been playing top 2023 teams up here on LI, to get ready for your older boys. You know, 2023 age kids on LI are 2024 age kids in MD. I think that’s a pretty good plan. What do you guys think? Not sure though. Maybe we should be playing older boys in 2022. I know you guys say that double holdbacks are rare, but I’m not sure what that means. Maybe you can help me. Does “rare” mean one double holdback per team? Or two, or three? I really don’t know. Appreciate your help from ya all. See you soon!



Great story line for little Vinny. Keep it alive buddy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/09/19 01:43 PM

Wambulance en route to the LI "bridge and tunneler" crowd
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/09/19 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi guys. Looking forward to playing the cheater teams. The boys have been playing top 2023 teams up here on LI, to get ready for your older boys. You know, 2023 age kids on LI are 2024 age kids in MD. I think that’s a pretty good plan. What do you guys think? Not sure though. Maybe we should be playing older boys in 2022. I know you guys say that double holdbacks are rare, but I’m not sure what that means. Maybe you can help me. Does “rare” mean one double holdback per team? Or two, or three? I really don’t know. Appreciate your help from ya all. See you soon!




I feel like you needed to throw a “hey, yo” in there. It would have given your post a little more umpf, and then maybe we would have cared more about what you are looking forward to.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/10/19 03:45 AM

Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/10/19 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


And I'm sure you'll be bragging to all the folks at the Walmart you work at that your 14 and 15 year old team beat some 12 & 13 year old kids. Remember to tell little Cletus or Jim Bob to go to the net every time and then give a high five to Aunt Mama!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/11/19 01:55 AM


~ 91 Wolfpack - The "Class of 2024 Lacrosse" ~


... just raised the bar... AGAIN...


... and the cheater teams worst nightmare...


Coming to a tourney near you soon...


https://www.instagram.com/91lacrosse/p/BwGIN87BHiU/
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/11/19 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


And I'm sure you'll be bragging to all the folks at the Walmart you work at that your 14 and 15 year old team beat some 12 & 13 year old kids. Remember to tell little Cletus or Jim Bob to go to the net every time and then give a high five to Aunt Mama!


Little Cletus is going to enjoy the show this year as he watches his 15 year old brother, who is also his cousin, get beat up by a bunch of 12 and 13 year olds. Ya'all better have your boys bring their bags this year, cause they're going to want to be wearing them after the beatdown they get. Again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/11/19 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/11/19 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.



I have a 12/30/2005 7th-grade son playing on a 2024 team. He played up on 2023 for three years since our club didn't have enough to field a 2024 team. This year is different, we had enough players to field a 2024. He was asked to play on 2024, so he went from the youngest to the oldest on his team, 3/4 are summer 06. The grade-based deal, well, it's just how it's done in MD. Not cheating if it's within the cutoffs. But my son has definitely experienced playing against boys that were likely 2-3 years older. This was most frustrating last year as a 6th grader on a 7th grade team playing against men. When we played in tourneys in LI, I will admit things felt more balanced.

My only objection is the reference to inbreeding, it ain't MD, it's WV.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/11/19 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.



I have a 12/30/2005 7th-grade son playing on a 2024 team. He played up on 2023 for three years since our club didn't have enough to field a 2024 team. This year is different, we had enough players to field a 2024. He was asked to play on 2024, so he went from the youngest to the oldest on his team, 3/4 are summer 06. The grade-based deal, well, it's just how it's done in MD. Not cheating if it's within the cutoffs. But my son has definitely experienced playing against boys that were likely 2-3 years older. This was most frustrating last year as a 6th grader on a 7th grade team playing against men. When we played in tourneys in LI, I will admit things felt more balanced.

My only objection is the reference to inbreeding, it ain't MD, it's WV.


That part was suppose to be a joke.
Originally Posted by Anonymous

~ 91 Wolfpack - The "Class of 2024 Lacrosse" ~


... just raised the bar... AGAIN...


... and the cheater teams worst nightmare...


Coming to a tourney near you soon...


https://www.instagram.com/91lacrosse/p/BwGIN87BHiU/



Word has it that 91 destroyed all teams at the WSYL North Qualifier this past weekend, beating Legacy 9-2 in the championship game. Obviously they are a good team, but I didn't think they were that good, to post the scores that they did. Anybody know what's up with them?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/11/19 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Naptown? WP didn't go to Naptown last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/11/19 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.



I have a 12/30/2005 7th-grade son playing on a 2024 team. He played up on 2023 for three years since our club didn't have enough to field a 2024 team. This year is different, we had enough players to field a 2024. He was asked to play on 2024, so he went from the youngest to the oldest on his team, 3/4 are summer 06. The grade-based deal, well, it's just how it's done in MD. Not cheating if it's within the cutoffs. But my son has definitely experienced playing against boys that were likely 2-3 years older. This was most frustrating last year as a 6th grader on a 7th grade team playing against men. When we played in tourneys in LI, I will admit things felt more balanced.

My only objection is the reference to inbreeding, it ain't MD, it's WV.


The organization/team that your boy plays for is not an elite team or organization, if they didn't have enough players to field a team at the 2024 level. That's why you have 3/4's of your team as summer 06 birthdays. By MD standards, your son is on a B team. If he was on an elite team, the 80% rule would apply (80% holdbacks). By contrast, LI elite teams have 3/4's of their team with summer 06 birthdays, or even later. Sometimes much later. I wish you and your son nothing but the best, having to deal with that corrupt culture in MD. It's so ingrained, people like you take it for granted, and think it's OK. But it really isn't OK. It's screwing people like you and your son, and you don't even realize it. Good luck.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/11/19 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.



I have a 12/30/2005 7th-grade son playing on a 2024 team. He played up on 2023 for three years since our club didn't have enough to field a 2024 team. This year is different, we had enough players to field a 2024. He was asked to play on 2024, so he went from the youngest to the oldest on his team, 3/4 are summer 06. The grade-based deal, well, it's just how it's done in MD. Not cheating if it's within the cutoffs. But my son has definitely experienced playing against boys that were likely 2-3 years older. This was most frustrating last year as a 6th grader on a 7th grade team playing against men. When we played in tourneys in LI, I will admit things felt more balanced.

My only objection is the reference to inbreeding, it ain't MD, it's WV.


The organization/team that your boy plays for is not an elite team or organization, if they didn't have enough players to field a team at the 2024 level. That's why you have 3/4's of your team as summer 06 birthdays. By MD standards, your son is on a B team. If he was on an elite team, the 80% rule would apply (80% holdbacks). By contrast, LI elite teams have 3/4's of their team with summer 06 birthdays, or even later. Sometimes much later. I wish you and your son nothing but the best, having to deal with that corrupt culture in MD. It's so ingrained, people like you take it for granted, and think it's OK. But it really isn't OK. It's screwing people like you and your son, and you don't even realize it. Good luck.



Along with the Wambulance on the way to LI (stuck in traffic, shocking I know) I asked them to pick up a "Fake News" consultant so you can better craft your completely false "80% rule" narrative to give it more impact. By all means continue to push the MD 14/15 yo vs the LI 11/12 year old story if it gives you some rest at night, and please know it has a truly meaningful impact.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants,
or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.



I have a 12/30/2005 7th-grade son playing on a 2024 team. He played up on 2023 for three years since our club didn't have enough to field a 2024 team. This year is different, we had enough players to field a 2024. He was asked to play on 2024, so he went from the youngest to the oldest on his team, 3/4 are summer 06. The grade-based deal, well, it's just how it's done in MD. Not cheating if it's within the cutoffs. But my son has definitely experienced playing against boys that were likely 2-3 years older. This was most frustrating last year as a 6th grader on a 7th grade team playing against men. When we played in tourneys in LI, I will admit things felt more balanced.

My only objection is the reference to inbreeding, it ain't MD, it's WV.


The organization/team that your boy plays for is not an elite team or organization, if they didn't have enough players to field a team at the 2024 level. That's why you have 3/4's of your team as summer 06 birthdays. By MD standards, your son is on a B team. If he was on an elite team, the 80% rule would apply (80% holdbacks). By contrast, LI elite teams have 3/4's of their team with summer 06 birthdays, or even later. Sometimes much later. I wish you and your son nothing but the best, having to deal with that corrupt culture in MD. It's so ingrained, people like you take it for granted, and think it's OK. But it really isn't OK. It's screwing people like you and your son, and you don't even realize it. Good luck.



Along with the Wambulance on the way to LI (stuck in traffic, shocking I know) I asked them to pick up a "Fake News" consultant so you can better craft your completely false "80% rule" narrative to give it more impact. By all means continue to push the MD 14/15 yo vs the LI 11/12 year old story if it gives you some rest at night, and please know it has a truly meaningful impact.



The 80% is being kind for most of the teams, according to the MD non-holdback parents. This information comes directly from your own MD/DC people on BOTC and is all right here on the MD board for who ever cares to confirm it. But no one from MD will, because everyone is all too familiar with the corrupt culture of MD club lacrosse, since all of the nonholdback players are the victims of this sleezey business practice and deal with it everyday. Yes, it’s all on this MD thread, discussed at nauseam, by the nonholdback parents. You holdback daddy’s love it though don’t you? It makes your kid feel like he can actually compete against someone, when he only plays against players that are a year or more younger than him. Well the MD parents are fed up with trashy unethical system beaters such as yourself. And I don’t blame them. So all of this FACTUAL talk about 80% isn’t coming from LI. It’s coming from your neighbors who are sick and tired of sleezeballs like you. For outsiders like me,that don’t live the lie, so they aren’t familiar with the factual nature of this statement, they only need to flip through the pages of this thread. See you soon cheater holdback dad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 01:14 AM

I don't understand if all of the NY kids always played up when they were , why is it a problem when they play against a few kids who are a year older now that they are in middle school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.



I have a 12/30/2005 7th-grade son playing on a 2024 team. He played up on 2023 for three years since our club didn't have enough to field a 2024 team. This year is different, we had enough players to field a 2024. He was asked to play on 2024, so he went from the youngest to the oldest on his team, 3/4 are summer 06. The grade-based deal, well, it's just how it's done in MD. Not cheating if it's within the cutoffs. But my son has definitely experienced playing against boys that were likely 2-3 years older. This was most frustrating last year as a 6th grader on a 7th grade team playing against men. When we played in tourneys in LI, I will admit things felt more balanced.

My only objection is the reference to inbreeding, it ain't MD, it's WV.


The organization/team that your boy plays for is not an elite team or organization, if they didn't have enough players to field a team at the 2024 level. That's why you have 3/4's of your team as summer 06 birthdays. By MD standards, your son is on a B team. If he was on an elite team, the 80% rule would apply (80% holdbacks). By contrast, LI elite teams have 3/4's of their team with summer 06 birthdays, or even later. Sometimes much later. I wish you and your son nothing but the best, having to deal with that corrupt culture in MD. It's so ingrained, people like you take it for granted, and think it's OK. But it really isn't OK. It's screwing people like you and your son, and you don't even realize it. Good luck.



Along with the Wambulance on the way to LI (stuck in traffic, shocking I know) I asked them to pick up a "Fake News" consultant so you can better craft your completely false "80% rule" narrative to give it more impact. By all means continue to push the MD 14/15 yo vs the LI 11/12 year old story if it gives you some rest at night, and please know it has a truly meaningful impact.


Really? Let's take our good friends from Madlax DC as an example, since you are most likely a holdback parent from Madlax. From my experience, all of the true db parents (yes, there is an occasional exception to this rule) are from ML-DC. Madax has two 2024 teams of approximately 30 players each. That's 60 total players. Of that, they don't have 15 kids (7 players per team) to form a team to compete for a 13U world tournament. That's proof-positive that over 75% of the team is holdbacks. How much more? Well, based on this very MD thread, elite teams have on average 3 on age players per team. Since our example is Madlax DC, where basically every player goes to private school and starts Kindergarten at 6 years old, instead of 5 years old like the rest of the world, Madlax is between 80% and 95% holdbacks. There are no more dirty little secrets anymore in club lacrosse. The secret is out and has been out for quite some time now. And, since we are talking about Madlax DC, how old is your new holdback-player-giant that replaced your old holdback-player-giant, who finally went back to playing kids his own age (now there's a novel concept!). You know, the kid that played for the DC Dogs 2023 team for the past several seasons. Since he's from DC, he's prob a holdback from the get-go, like the rest of the DC players, right? And, since he was a 2023 last year and is now a 2024 player, he's obviously a reclass too. What's that make your 6' 170 lb 7th grader? 15 or going on 15? 7th grade lacrosse games must really be important to you, for your teams to go to all of this trouble, just to try and stay competitive with far superior LI teams. Must really stink for your parents when your 14 and 15 year olds lose to our 12 and 13 year olds. Yeah, I guess that would be pretty embarrassing. Cheating your butt's off, and still losing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.





Easy big Girl , I think you have had one too many Red Solo Cups !! Please dont drive that iroc Z , Red Solo Cups and Iroc Z's are not meant to be together !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.




If you have had your kid play up “for years”(which is comical in itself because he is only in 7th grade), why do you cry so much when he plays older kids now? Just a flat out answer without a bunch of NY drama will suffice.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.



I have a 12/30/2005 7th-grade son playing on a 2024 team. He played up on 2023 for three years since our club didn't have enough to field a 2024 team. This year is different, we had enough players to field a 2024. He was asked to play on 2024, so he went from the youngest to the oldest on his team, 3/4 are summer 06. The grade-based deal, well, it's just how it's done in MD. Not cheating if it's within the cutoffs. But my son has definitely experienced playing against boys that were likely 2-3 years older. This was most frustrating last year as a 6th grader on a 7th grade team playing against men. When we played in tourneys in LI, I will admit things felt more balanced.

My only objection is the reference to inbreeding, it ain't MD, it's WV.


The organization/team that your boy plays for is not an elite team or organization, if they didn't have enough players to field a team at the 2024 level. That's why you have 3/4's of your team as summer 06 birthdays. By MD standards, your son is on a B team. If he was on an elite team, the 80% rule would apply (80% holdbacks). By contrast, LI elite teams have 3/4's of their team with summer 06 birthdays, or even later. Sometimes much later. I wish you and your son nothing but the best, having to deal with that corrupt culture in MD. It's so ingrained, people like you take it for granted, and think it's OK. But it really isn't OK. It's screwing people like you and your son, and you don't even realize it. Good luck.



Along with the Wambulance on the way to LI (stuck in traffic, shocking I know) I asked them to pick up a "Fake News" consultant so you can better craft your completely false "80% rule" narrative to give it more impact. By all means continue to push the MD 14/15 yo vs the LI 11/12 year old story if it gives you some rest at night, and please know it has a truly meaningful impact.


Really? Let's take our good friends from Madlax DC as an example, since you are most likely a holdback parent from Madlax. From my experience, all of the true db parents (yes, there is an occasional exception to this rule) are from ML-DC. Madax has two 2024 teams of approximately 30 players each. That's 60 total players. Of that, they don't have 15 kids (7 players per team) to form a team to compete for a 13U world tournament. That's proof-positive that over 75% of the team is holdbacks. How much more? Well, based on this very MD thread, elite teams have on average 3 on age players per team. Since our example is Madlax DC, where basically every player goes to private school and starts Kindergarten at 6 years old, instead of 5 years old like the rest of the world, Madlax is between 80% and 95% holdbacks. There are no more dirty little secrets anymore in club lacrosse. The secret is out and has been out for quite some time now. And, since we are talking about Madlax DC, how old is your new holdback-player-giant that replaced your old holdback-player-giant, who finally went back to playing kids his own age (now there's a novel concept!). You know, the kid that played for the DC Dogs 2023 team for the past several seasons. Since he's from DC, he's prob a holdback from the get-go, like the rest of the DC players, right? And, since he was a 2023 last year and is now a 2024 player, he's obviously a reclass too. What's that make your 6' 170 lb 7th grader? 15 or going on 15? 7th grade lacrosse games must really be important to you, for your teams to go to all of this trouble, just to try and stay competitive with far superior LI teams. Must really stink for your parents when your 14 and 15 year olds lose to our 12 and 13 year olds. Yeah, I guess that would be pretty embarrassing. Cheating your butt's off, and still losing.







Almost everything said in this post is factually incorrect or a false assumption/inference so well done with that. The most amusing thing is that a LI parent would have the temerity to call out parents from another team. LI parents are by far the worst lacrosse parents around, one day at a lacrosse tournament where LI teams are involved is all anyone needs to see that. A simple read through the LI Board is also a good proxy for this. If it comes down to parents of kids with a summer birthday who choose to "hold them back" before going into K (by the way plenty of studies show this is beneficial for the kids on many levels) vs. parents who psychotically (and cowardly) scream "see you in Denver" at 13 yo kids who are a couple of feet away walking back to their tent, I personally will take the "holdback" parents every day.

Every time I read a post from a LI parent all I can think of is a quote from Liar Liar, "So what I'm gonna do is lax and moan like an impotent donk." Hence the need for the Wambulance. What makes all of this even funnier (sadder) is that with the WSYL you LI parents have an age based tournament where one team can be crowned the best U13 lacrosse team in the universe. Well enough amusement for the day, I look forward to the well reasoned responses [sarcasm and rolly eye emoji].
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 03:10 PM

The best U13 team in the WORLD will be crowned July 4th.****PERIOD**** No cheater holdbacks! Can you imagine the disgusting and God awful things the DMV parents would do to stack those teams?!?!? I for one am very thankful the WSYL isn’t just a money grab and they actually care about the integrity of the game. It would be extremely easy to make it a grade based tournament and let the dough roll in!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 03:54 PM

Almost everything said in this post is factually incorrect or a false assumption/inference so well done with that. The most amusing thing is that a LI parent would have the temerity to call out parents from another team. LI parents are by far the worst lacrosse parents around, one day at a lacrosse tournament where LI teams are involved is all anyone needs to see that. A simple read through the LI Board is also a good proxy for this. If it comes down to parents of kids with a summer birthday who choose to "hold them back" before going into K (by the way plenty of studies show this is beneficial for the kids on many levels) vs. parents who psychotically (and cowardly) scream "see you in Denver" at 13 yo kids who are a couple of feet away walking back to their tent, I personally will take the "holdback" parents every day.







Great response, Madlax parent.

You didn't have a single rational rebuttal against any of the hold back accusations (because there OBVIOUSLY aren't any), except to once again claim "summer birthdays".

It's very interesting that once all of the cheater teams have been factually outed, and the lies come to an end, the holdback dads all (OK, it's all actually just one one Madlax guy) claim that every holdback on their team (i.e. every kid on their team) mysteriously has a "summer birthday", of which most are the end of August, which strangely enough coincides almost to the day with the WSYL 9/1 cutoff date, which is the event/date that actually outed all of the cheater teams.

Now, they all just missed that deadline and entire teams strangely have 8/31/05 birthdays. Wow, amazing how 30 kids on about 10 teams have birthdays on 8/31/05!! Obviously, more lies from the cheater holdback parents, but I must say, very much anticipated as well as amusing!!

CHEAT-ON... HOLDBACK PARENTS!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.



I have a 12/30/2005 7th-grade son playing on a 2024 team. He played up on 2023 for three years since our club didn't have enough to field a 2024 team. This year is different, we had enough players to field a 2024. He was asked to play on 2024, so he went from the youngest to the oldest on his team, 3/4 are summer 06. The grade-based deal, well, it's just how it's done in MD. Not cheating if it's within the cutoffs. But my son has definitely experienced playing against boys that were likely 2-3 years older. This was most frustrating last year as a 6th grader on a 7th grade team playing against men. When we played in tourneys in LI, I will admit things felt more balanced.

My only objection is the reference to inbreeding, it ain't MD, it's WV.


The organization/team that your boy plays for is not an elite team or organization, if they didn't have enough players to field a team at the 2024 level. That's why you have 3/4's of your team as summer 06 birthdays. By MD standards, your son is on a B team. If he was on an elite team, the 80% rule would apply (80% holdbacks). By contrast, LI elite teams have 3/4's of their team with summer 06 birthdays, or even later. Sometimes much later. I wish you and your son nothing but the best, having to deal with that corrupt culture in MD. It's so ingrained, people like you take it for granted, and think it's OK. But it really isn't OK. It's screwing people like you and your son, and you don't even realize it. Good luck.


I'm the OP you're replying to... you nailed it, he left a 2023AA team, for this 2024B, it is not an elite team, and it's pretty much made up of the summer 06 kids that weren't getting play time on their old elite teams. Likely to finish the season around 0.500, possibly one game above or below. It's ... meh. You're 80% assessment is high, but as a MD parent, I don't have a problem with kids falling into the actual school cutoffs, but I am most def willing to cop to the actual holdback problem: lots of boys repeat 6th grade when they transfer to a Baltimore private school, June birthdays are held back, etc
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost everything said in this post is factually incorrect or a false assumption/inference so well done with that. The most amusing thing is that a LI parent would have the temerity to call out parents from another team. LI parents are by far the worst lacrosse parents around, one day at a lacrosse tournament where LI teams are involved is all anyone needs to see that. A simple read through the LI Board is also a good proxy for this. If it comes down to parents of kids with a summer birthday who choose to "hold them back" before going into K (by the way plenty of studies show this is beneficial for the kids on many levels) vs. parents who psychotically (and cowardly) scream "see you in Denver" at 13 yo kids who are a couple of feet away walking back to their tent, I personally will take the "holdback" parents every day.







Great response, Madlax parent.

You didn't have a single rational rebuttal against any of the hold back accusations (because there OBVIOUSLY aren't any), except to once again claim "summer birthdays".

It's very interesting that once all of the cheater teams have been factually outed, and the lies come to an end, the holdback dads all (OK, it's all actually just one one Madlax guy) claim that every holdback on their team (i.e. every kid on their team) mysteriously has a "summer birthday", of which most are the end of August, which strangely enough coincides almost to the day with the WSYL 9/1 cutoff date, which is the event/date that actually outed all of the cheater teams.

Now, they all just missed that deadline and entire teams strangely have 8/31/05 birthdays. Wow, amazing how 30 kids on about 10 teams have birthdays on 8/31/05!! Obviously, more lies from the cheater holdback parents, but I must say, very much anticipated as well as amusing!!

CHEAT-ON... HOLDBACK PARENTS!!



OK, did not want to go through the tedium of rebutting the "fake facts" since the reality is that none of them but one can be actually verified by anyone on an anonymous board. I will attempt to since I am eating my lunch and it amuses me so. I am glad you used the word accusations because that is what they are, not facts, simply assumptions.

The one fact that can somewhat be verified is that there are not 30 kids on the top Madlax team, there are 26 listed on the website and the roster is actually a bit smaller than that so basically the initial fact is wrong and relatively verifiable.

The 80% number is very wrong as well but since no one on this board can verify either way not worth going into other than to say our family actually plays in MD and knows the ages of kids way better than anyone in LI does.

I guess my real question for you is why the obsession with holdbacks. I don't think anyone on this board has said there are not holdbacks on these teams.
The reality is that these decisions, for the most part, are made when a child is 4/5 years old (yes the vast majority of them are summer birthdays) and I am guessing in 99.9% of the cases not once did lacrosse come up as a reason for doing it. The actual and very understandable reasons for this have been discussed ad nauseam so I will not go into it. As the parent of an "on age" elite player I actually have no issue with these "holdbacks". In addition the parents do not set the rules for the league, age/grade based. I actually do not mind the grade based teams as kids get to play with other kids they are in the same grade with, not the worst thing in the world. I know you will now say, but what about the double holdbacks. Does this happen, yup. Am I fan of it, nope. Is the issue so large that I lose sleep over it, nope. I think there is a misguided belief in LI that all the kids on elite teams are double holdbacks, this is simply not true. Reality is the age gap (which is what we are really talking about) is much less than what LI people think or complain about on this Board. Once again my belief versus someone elses, believe what you want.

Finally, as I am finishing my sandwich, the word "cheater" gets thrown around a lot on the board, can you please give me the definition of cheating. I am not aware of any MD teams trying to sneak into the WSYL on fake birth certificates, from what I know they only play in tournaments and games where they are eligible to compete. By the way there is actually a very simple solution to this, don't play in grade based tournaments if it is so unjust. I don't think anyone in MD would care at all if LI didn't show up because at the end of the day this is 7th grade lacrosse, who really cares as long as the kids are having fun.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/12/19 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Man I can’t wait to watch the WP parents faces when their team gets crushed at Naptown! Didn’t win last year, can’t even get to the semis at NLF but have fun at WSYL in early July bc it’s going to be a short lived celebration when you get a reality check in Annapolis! Don’t worry, I’m sure all the coaches recruiting down the road will ask how you all did at WSYL 5 years ago....stunands!


Quick question for you cheater dads. What would do you think would happen if your kids ever played a lacrosse game against children their own age? Would they pee their pants, or maybe you would. Honestly, I don't know who is the bigger lost, you, for having absolutely no confidence in your child to even play with children his own age, or your son for agreeing to it. That's a tough one, but I'm going to go with... YOU. Funny, because for years I had my kid play up. To tell you the truth, I never even considered my son playing down! I didn't even know that existed until I went to MD and found out that's what 80%+ of the kids do there. You folks are really messed up, you know that? Must be all that inbreeding that ya'all do.





Easy big Girl , I think you have had one too many Red Solo Cups !! Please dont drive that iroc Z , Red Solo Cups and Iroc Z's are not meant to be together !


Love the IROC reference, Madlax dad. That one never gets old now does it! Keep using it Madlax dad, it’s your signature. That’s how we know it’s you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/14/19 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost everything said in this post is factually incorrect or a false assumption/inference so well done with that. The most amusing thing is that a LI parent would have the temerity to call out parents from another team. LI parents are by far the worst lacrosse parents around, one day at a lacrosse tournament where LI teams are involved is all anyone needs to see that. A simple read through the LI Board is also a good proxy for this. If it comes down to parents of kids with a summer birthday who choose to "hold them back" before going into K (by the way plenty of studies show this is beneficial for the kids on many levels) vs. parents who psychotically (and cowardly) scream "see you in Denver" at 13 yo kids who are a couple of feet away walking back to their tent, I personally will take the "holdback" parents every day.







Great response, Madlax parent.

You didn't have a single rational rebuttal against any of the hold back accusations (because there OBVIOUSLY aren't any), except to once again claim "summer birthdays".

It's very interesting that once all of the cheater teams have been factually outed, and the lies come to an end, the holdback dads all (OK, it's all actually just one one Madlax guy) claim that every holdback on their team (i.e. every kid on their team) mysteriously has a "summer birthday", of which most are the end of August, which strangely enough coincides almost to the day with the WSYL 9/1 cutoff date, which is the event/date that actually outed all of the cheater teams.

Now, they all just missed that deadline and entire teams strangely have 8/31/05 birthdays. Wow, amazing how 30 kids on about 10 teams have birthdays on 8/31/05!! Obviously, more lies from the cheater holdback parents, but I must say, very much anticipated as well as amusing!!

CHEAT-ON... HOLDBACK PARENTS!!



OK, did not want to go through the tedium of rebutting the "fake facts" since the reality is that none of them but one can be actually verified by anyone on an anonymous board. I will attempt to since I am eating my lunch and it amuses me so. I am glad you used the word accusations because that is what they are, not facts, simply assumptions.

The one fact that can somewhat be verified is that there are not 30 kids on the top Madlax team, there are 26 listed on the website and the roster is actually a bit smaller than that so basically the initial fact is wrong and relatively verifiable.

The 80% number is very wrong as well but since no one on this board can verify either way not worth going into other than to say our family actually plays in MD and knows the ages of kids way better than anyone in LI does.

I guess my real question for you is why the obsession with holdbacks. I don't think anyone on this board has said there are not holdbacks on these teams.
The reality is that these decisions, for the most part, are made when a child is 4/5 years old (yes the vast majority of them are summer birthdays) and I am guessing in 99.9% of the cases not once did lacrosse come up as a reason for doing it. The actual and very understandable reasons for this have been discussed ad nauseam so I will not go into it. As the parent of an "on age" elite player I actually have no issue with these "holdbacks". In addition the parents do not set the rules for the league, age/grade based. I actually do not mind the grade based teams as kids get to play with other kids they are in the same grade with, not the worst thing in the world. I know you will now say, but what about the double holdbacks. Does this happen, yup. Am I fan of it, nope. Is the issue so large that I lose sleep over it, nope. I think there is a misguided belief in LI that all the kids on elite teams are double holdbacks, this is simply not true. Reality is the age gap (which is what we are really talking about) is much less than what LI people think or complain about on this Board. Once again my belief versus someone elses, believe what you want.

Finally, as I am finishing my sandwich, the word "cheater" gets thrown around a lot on the board, can you please give me the definition of cheating. I am not aware of any MD teams trying to sneak into the WSYL on fake birth certificates, from what I know they only play in tournaments and games where they are eligible to compete. By the way there is actually a very simple solution to this, don't play in grade based tournaments if it is so unjust. I don't think anyone in MD would care at all if LI didn't show up because at the end of the day this is 7th grade lacrosse, who really cares as long as the kids are having fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost everything said in this post is factually incorrect or a false assumption/inference so well done with that. The most amusing thing is that a LI parent would have the temerity to call out parents from another team. LI parents are by far the worst lacrosse parents around, one day at a lacrosse tournament where LI teams are involved is all anyone needs to see that. A simple read through the LI Board is also a good proxy for this. If it comes down to parents of kids with a summer birthday who choose to "hold them back" before going into K (by the way plenty of studies show this is beneficial for the kids on many levels) vs. parents who psychotically (and cowardly) scream "see you in Denver" at 13 yo kids who are a couple of feet away walking back to their tent, I personally will take the "holdback" parents every day.







Great response, Madlax parent.

You didn't have a single rational rebuttal against any of the hold back accusations (because there OBVIOUSLY aren't any), except to once again claim "summer birthdays".

It's very interesting that once all of the cheater teams have been factually outed, and the lies come to an end, the holdback dads all (OK, it's all actually just one one Madlax guy) claim that every holdback on their team (i.e. every kid on their team) mysteriously has a "summer birthday", of which most are the end of August, which strangely enough coincides almost to the day with the WSYL 9/1 cutoff date, which is the event/date that actually outed all of the cheater teams.

Now, they all just missed that deadline and entire teams strangely have 8/31/05 birthdays. Wow, amazing how 30 kids on about 10 teams have birthdays on 8/31/05!! Obviously, more lies from the cheater holdback parents, but I must say, very much anticipated as well as amusing!!

CHEAT-ON... HOLDBACK PARENTS!!



OK, did not want to go through the tedium of rebutting the "fake facts" since the reality is that none of them but one can be actually verified by anyone on an anonymous board. I will attempt to since I am eating my lunch and it amuses me so. I am glad you used the word accusations because that is what they are, not facts, simply assumptions.

The one fact that can somewhat be verified is that there are not 30 kids on the top Madlax team, there are 26 listed on the website and the roster is actually a bit smaller than that so basically the initial fact is wrong and relatively verifiable.

The 80% number is very wrong as well but since no one on this board can verify either way not worth going into other than to say our family actually plays in MD and knows the ages of kids way better than anyone in LI does.

I guess my real question for you is why the obsession with holdbacks. I don't think anyone on this board has said there are not holdbacks on these teams.
The reality is that these decisions, for the most part, are made when a child is 4/5 years old (yes the vast majority of them are summer birthdays) and I am guessing in 99.9% of the cases not once did lacrosse come up as a reason for doing it. The actual and very understandable reasons for this have been discussed ad nauseam so I will not go into it. As the parent of an "on age" elite player I actually have no issue with these "holdbacks". In addition the parents do not set the rules for the league, age/grade based. I actually do not mind the grade based teams as kids get to play with other kids they are in the same grade with, not the worst thing in the world. I know you will now say, but what about the double holdbacks. Does this happen, yup. Am I fan of it, nope. Is the issue so large that I lose sleep over it, nope. I think there is a misguided belief in LI that all the kids on elite teams are double holdbacks, this is simply not true. Reality is the age gap (which is what we are really talking about) is much less than what LI people think or complain about on this Board. Once again my belief versus someone elses, believe what you want.

Finally, as I am finishing my sandwich, the word "cheater" gets thrown around a lot on the board, can you please give me the definition of cheating. I am not aware of any MD teams trying to sneak into the WSYL on fake birth certificates, from what I know they only play in tournaments and games where they are eligible to compete. By the way there is actually a very simple solution to this, don't play in grade based tournaments if it is so unjust. I don't think anyone in MD would care at all if LI didn't show up because at the end of the day this is 7th grade lacrosse, who really cares as long as the kids are having fun.


By the way, the holdback information doesn’t come from LI parents. It comes from MD on age parents like me. I’ve probably read every one of this LI guys posts, and from my perspective they are all accurate. MD elite level lacrosse is completely out of control. We all know it. Unless you are a holdback parent in which case you embrace it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/16/19 02:24 AM

Congratulations 91 Wolfpack. #1 World Ranking. Well done boys. Best on the planet.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...inside-lacrosse-13u-world-rankings/54271
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/16/19 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations 91 Wolfpack. #1 World Ranking. Well done boys. Best on the planet.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...inside-lacrosse-13u-world-rankings/54271


Bunch of on age kids.. just isnt fair !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/16/19 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations 91 Wolfpack. #1 World Ranking. Well done boys. Best on the planet.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...inside-lacrosse-13u-world-rankings/54271


Bunch of on age kids.. just isnt fair !


“World ranking”. Lol. The people of the Ukraine must be outraged!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/16/19 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations 91 Wolfpack. #1 World Ranking. Well done boys. Best on the planet.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...inside-lacrosse-13u-world-rankings/54271


I love starting my day off with a good laugh at sorry people who live to post about U13 world rankings! Get a life and stop wishing you were your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/16/19 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations 91 Wolfpack. #1 World Ranking. Well done boys. Best on the planet.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...inside-lacrosse-13u-world-rankings/54271


I love starting my day off with a good laugh at sorry people who live to post about U13 world rankings! Get a life and stop wishing you were your kid.


I know right, must be hard for you to swallow your crab cake ..LMAO
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/17/19 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congratulations 91 Wolfpack. #1 World Ranking. Well done boys. Best on the planet.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...inside-lacrosse-13u-world-rankings/54271


I love starting my day off with a good laugh at sorry people who live to post about U13 world rankings! Get a life and stop wishing you were your kid.


I know right, must be hard for you to swallow your crab cake ..LMAO


Now that is funny ! Without Holdbacks where would MD lacrosse be !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/17/19 09:55 PM

Based on everything I read on BOTC every state except NY has holdbacks? Wait, I’m pretty sure I did read “other” LI posts saying LIE are cheaters too with holdbacks. Man, that must mean there are really only two clubs in the USA that don’t have holdbacks. You guys should be proud and I wish you the best at the WSYL bc after that it’s all a bunch of excuses and you guys against the rest of the lax world! Except moving forward your boys will be playing by club rules like the rest of the country and then we will see how great your teams really are!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Based on everything I read on BOTC every state except NY has holdbacks? Wait, I’m pretty sure I did read “other” LI posts saying LIE are cheaters too with holdbacks. Man, that must mean there are really only two clubs in the USA that don’t have holdbacks. You guys should be proud and I wish you the best at the WSYL bc after that it’s all a bunch of excuses and you guys against the rest of the lax world! Except moving forward your boys will be playing by club rules like the rest of the country and then we will see how great your teams really are!


Bro. Check out the scores. Pack is crushing teams that are either beating all of the MD cheater teams, or giving them everything they can handle. Beat Legacy Taz 9-2. Limited all North region qualifiers to a maximum of 2 goals, without a single competitive game. Pack is undefeated so far, and they have played mostly better ‘23 teams, so playing up against the MD cheaters is not a problem. So prepare your 14 year old son for a beat down, Long Island 12/13 year old style. Because the Pack is looking for statement games, against the cheater teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 12:31 PM

Just wait for the Millon Games. Run your Pack through Hawks, 91MD, and Madlax, and see how many of your boys are left standing at the end of the weekend. I'm afraid it might be a long ride home for your girls.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Based on everything I read on BOTC every state except NY has holdbacks? Wait, I’m pretty sure I did read “other” LI posts saying LIE are cheaters too with holdbacks. Man, that must mean there are really only two clubs in the USA that don’t have holdbacks. You guys should be proud and I wish you the best at the WSYL bc after that it’s all a bunch of excuses and you guys against the rest of the lax world! Except moving forward your boys will be playing by club rules like the rest of the country and then we will see how great your teams really are!


Bro. Check out the scores. Pack is crushing teams that are either beating all of the MD cheater teams, or giving them everything they can handle. Beat Legacy Taz 9-2. Limited all North region qualifiers to a maximum of 2 goals, without a single competitive game. Pack is undefeated so far, and they have played mostly better ‘23 teams, so playing up against the MD cheaters is not a problem. So prepare your 14 year old son for a beat down, Long Island 12/13 year old style. Because the Pack is looking for statement games, against the cheater teams.



"statement games" at the 2024 level, hahahahaha, that someone would even write something like that is so sad. Might feel sorry for someone who is this caught up in a youth sport but the LI posters on this board are so pathetic hard to conjure up any level of empathy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 02:36 PM

Serious question to all of the MD holdback parents: Why do you have your kids play down a year? Do they have a confidence problem, where they feel inferior to kids their own age? Or, without their size advantage, they really just compete with kids their own age? Maybe it's both? Very sad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Based on everything I read on BOTC every state except NY has holdbacks? Wait, I’m pretty sure I did read “other” LI posts saying LIE are cheaters too with holdbacks. Man, that must mean there are really only two clubs in the USA that don’t have holdbacks. You guys should be proud and I wish you the best at the WSYL bc after that it’s all a bunch of excuses and you guys against the rest of the lax world! Except moving forward your boys will be playing by club rules like the rest of the country and then we will see how great your teams really are!


Bro. Check out the scores. Pack is crushing teams that are either beating all of the MD cheater teams, or giving them everything they can handle. Beat Legacy Taz 9-2. Limited all North region qualifiers to a maximum of 2 goals, without a single competitive game. Pack is undefeated so far, and they have played mostly better ‘23 teams, so playing up against the MD cheaters is not a problem. So prepare your 14 year old son for a beat down, Long Island 12/13 year old style. Because the Pack is looking for statement games, against the cheater teams.



"statement games" at the 2024 level, hahahahaha, that someone would even write something like that is so sad. Might feel sorry for someone who is this caught up in a youth sport but the LI posters on this board are so pathetic hard to conjure up any level of empathy.



Another OBSESSED Maryland holdback parent calling the kettle black.

The IRONY in your post "IS" MD's "statement"!

No place on the planet is more wrapped up in their youth lacrosse than our friendly HoCo "Elite" (now that's a joke!) parents. Most of the posts on this board make me want to puke, as I read who's Johnny-holdback team is the best of the best cheating holdback teams.

You know what is SAD???

The very definition of SAD is an entire state that creates nothing but cheating holdback teams that are 90% a year older than the rest of the teams, just so they can win a little kids game. THAT MY FRIEND IS BOTH... PSYCHOTICALLY OBSESSED AND PATHETIC!!

~The Parent of a Holdback-Free Team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question to all of the MD holdback parents: Why do you have your kids play down a year? Do they have a confidence problem, where they feel inferior to kids their own age? Or, without their size advantage, they really just compete with kids their own age? Maybe it's both? Very sad.


I would say one of the more difficult things for some kids , especially undersized kids, is making a AA team when most coaches are taking size over skill in 7th or 8th grade . a smaller boy may have superior speed, superior stick skills but lack size. its very unfortunate. so a boy that plays down, may be just positioning himself for the future as he has been pushed out of his own grade
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question to all of the MD holdback parents: Why do you have your kids play down a year? Do they have a confidence problem, where they feel inferior to kids their own age? Or, without their size advantage, they really just compete with kids their own age? Maybe it's both? Very sad.


I would say one of the more difficult things for some kids , especially undersized kids, is making a AA team when most coaches are taking size over skill in 7th or 8th grade . a smaller boy may have superior speed, superior stick skills but lack size. its very unfortunate. so a boy that plays down, may be just positioning himself for the future as he has been pushed out of his own grade



That is most unfortunate and ill guided, as many of the very best players at this age, are the some of the smallest players. Size obviously is a major factor at this age, since differences during the puberty years can be an enormous advantage. But guess what else is extremely important? Skill, IQ, quickness and speed. A successful team needs all of them. So a mixture of all the above is the recipe for success. Going with only size or only skill will not result in championship level teams. Look at all of the top teams in youth lacrosse, during these years. It's always a mixture of larger players and smaller ones.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question to all of the MD holdback parents: Why do you have your kids play down a year? Do they have a confidence problem, where they feel inferior to kids their own age? Or, without their size advantage, they really just compete with kids their own age? Maybe it's both? Very sad.


I would say one of the more difficult things for some kids , especially undersized kids, is making a AA team when most coaches are taking size over skill in 7th or 8th grade . a smaller boy may have superior speed, superior stick skills but lack size. its very unfortunate. so a boy that plays down, may be just positioning himself for the future as he has been pushed out of his own grade


MD lacrosse has a history of holding back in the Private schools. It used to be exclusive to Private schools. Advantage was not in youth lax..just school MS and HS.. Now HOCO has enabled MS and below private school holdbacks to play...Well now more and more are holding back at youth level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question to all of the MD holdback parents: Why do you have your kids play down a year? Do they have a confidence problem, where they feel inferior to kids their own age? Or, without their size advantage, they really just compete with kids their own age? Maybe it's both? Very sad.


Do you charge rent for all the space Maryland lacrosse occupies in your head smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question to all of the MD holdback parents: Why do you have your kids play down a year? Do they have a confidence problem, where they feel inferior to kids their own age? Or, without their size advantage, they really just compete with kids their own age? Maybe it's both? Very sad.


I would say one of the more difficult things for some kids , especially undersized kids, is making a AA team when most coaches are taking size over skill in 7th or 8th grade . a smaller boy may have superior speed, superior stick skills but lack size. its very unfortunate. so a boy that plays down, may be just positioning himself for the future as he has been pushed out of his own grade


MD lacrosse has a history of holding back in the Private schools. It used to be exclusive to Private schools. Advantage was not in youth lax..just school MS and HS.. Now HOCO has enabled MS and below private school holdbacks to play...Well now more and more are holding back at youth level.


I know. LI has no prep schools where this activity is down to an art form, so that’s got to be the main reason why it doesn’t happen up here very much. Regarding the top few teams, only one team has any holdbacks, which numbers probably about 4-5 would be my best guess. Could be less. But that’s nothing compared to the real holdback teams where basically their entire team is holdbacks. The top 2 teams have none and never have. For the most part, they develop the kids they have had since 2nd grade, and go with that, with a few exceptions.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Based on everything I read on BOTC every state except NY has holdbacks? Wait, I’m pretty sure I did read “other” LI posts saying LIE are cheaters too with holdbacks. Man, that must mean there are really only two clubs in the USA that don’t have holdbacks. You guys should be proud and I wish you the best at the WSYL bc after that it’s all a bunch of excuses and you guys against the rest of the lax world! Except moving forward your boys will be playing by club rules like the rest of the country and then we will see how great your teams really are!


Bro. Check out the scores. Pack is crushing teams that are either beating all of the MD cheater teams, or giving them everything they can handle. Beat Legacy Taz 9-2. Limited all North region qualifiers to a maximum of 2 goals, without a single competitive game. Pack is undefeated so far, and they have played mostly better ‘23 teams, so playing up against the MD cheaters is not a problem. So prepare your 14 year old son for a beat down, Long Island 12/13 year old style. Because the Pack is looking for statement games, against the cheater teams.



"statement games" at the 2024 level, hahahahaha, that someone would even write something like that is so sad. Might feel sorry for someone who is this caught up in a youth sport but the LI posters on this board are so pathetic hard to conjure up any level of empathy.



Another OBSESSED Maryland holdback parent calling the kettle black.

The IRONY in your post "IS" MD's "statement"!

No place on the planet is more wrapped up in their youth lacrosse than our friendly HoCo "Elite" (now that's a joke!) parents. Most of the posts on this board make me want to puke, as I read who's Johnny-holdback team is the best of the best cheating holdback teams.

You know what is SAD???

The very definition of SAD is an entire state that creates nothing but cheating holdback teams that are 90% a year older than the rest of the teams, just so they can win a little kids game. THAT MY FRIEND IS BOTH... PSYCHOTICALLY OBSESSED AND PATHETIC!!

~The Parent of a Holdback-Free Team


Can almost hear the lip quivering of the poster above, all caps writing, yikes that really drives home a point. If most of the posts and parents on this board make you want to puke here is a novel idea, don't come to this board. The fact you not only continue to come to this board, but also take the time to post on it, now that is the true definition of sad.

What is even more sad and delusional is that you believe that people who holdback their children (the vast majority who do so when the kids are 4/5 years old) are doing it to win 7th grade lacrosse games or that you believe that 90% of the teams are holdbacks. By all means though feel free to have your beliefs, feel free to write in all caps to really drive your point home, and most importantly feel free to keep coming back to a place where the people who post make you want to puke. End of the day this board is all chirping and amusement for people anyway.

~ Parent of and On Age Elite Player
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 06:55 PM

serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/18/19 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?

To pile on to this post - why is WP and TAz always boasting about winning 2023 tournaments and games and then always complaining about holdbacks??!! Isn’t that the same darn thing? Stop your blood clot crying and just let the kids play!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/19/19 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?

To pile on to this post - why is WP and TAz always boasting about winning 2023 tournaments and games and then always complaining about holdbacks??!! Isn’t that the same darn thing? Stop your blood clot crying and just let the kids play!


Correct. It’s exactly the same thing. Identical. No difference whatsoever. Except for one thing. The ‘23 LI teams are on age teams playing other on age teams. The MD cheater teams are ‘23 teams portraying themselves to be ‘24 teams, which they are not. It’s deception. Lying. Slimy, slippery, dishonest cheating. THAT my friend is the difference. Nothing to do with playing older teams, since top LI teams do that all the time. It has everything to do with people telling you one thing but the reality is far different. It’s about dishonesty and cheating and lying about it, all to win a little kids game. Understand now? Nothing to do with playing substandard MD ‘23 teams. Everything to do with misrepresentation of the truth, or db cheater teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/19/19 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?

To pile on to this post - why is WP and TAz always boasting about winning 2023 tournaments and games and then always complaining about holdbacks??!! Isn’t that the same darn thing? Stop your blood clot crying and just let the kids play!


Correct. It’s exactly the same thing. Identical. No difference whatsoever. Except for one thing. The ‘23 LI teams are on age teams playing other on age teams. The MD cheater teams are ‘23 teams portraying themselves to be ‘24 teams, which they are not. It’s deception. Lying. Slimy, slippery, dishonest cheating. THAT my friend is the difference. Nothing to do with playing older teams, since top LI teams do that all the time. It has everything to do with people telling you one thing but the reality is far different. It’s about dishonesty and cheating and lying about it, all to win a little kids game. Understand now? Nothing to do with playing substandard MD ‘23 teams. Everything to do with misrepresentation of the truth, or db cheater teams.



Well MD teams are 2024 teams. They are just older than most lacrosse players by 1-2 years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/19/19 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Well MD teams are 2024 teams. They are just older than most lacrosse players by 1-2 years.


You have to do better than that on this forum
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/20/19 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?

To pile on to this post - why is WP and TAz always boasting about winning 2023 tournaments and games and then always complaining about holdbacks??!! Isn’t that the same darn thing? Stop your blood clot crying and just let the kids play!


Correct. It’s exactly the same thing. Identical. No difference whatsoever. Except for one thing. The ‘23 LI teams are on age teams playing other on age teams. The MD cheater teams are ‘23 teams portraying themselves to be ‘24 teams, which they are not. It’s deception. Lying. Slimy, slippery, dishonest cheating. THAT my friend is the difference. Nothing to do with playing older teams, since top LI teams do that all the time. It has everything to do with people telling you one thing but the reality is far different. It’s about dishonesty and cheating and lying about it, all to win a little kids game. Understand now? Nothing to do with playing substandard MD ‘23 teams. Everything to do with misrepresentation of the truth, or db cheater teams.



Dude pull your panties out of your rear you really sound like they are bunching up on you. It’s not lying if everyone is upfront about it , which in MD they are! It’s not cheating if the league or tourney allows it which they do! SIOO you Long Island piece of garbage, decide if your team can either handle the pressure or they can’t. But please STFU and let the kids play!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/20/19 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?

To pile on to this post - why is WP and TAz always boasting about winning 2023 tournaments and games and then always complaining about holdbacks??!! Isn’t that the same darn thing? Stop your blood clot crying and just let the kids play!


Correct. It’s exactly the same thing. Identical. No difference whatsoever. Except for one thing. The ‘23 LI teams are on age teams playing other on age teams. The MD cheater teams are ‘23 teams portraying themselves to be ‘24 teams, which they are not. It’s deception. Lying. Slimy, slippery, dishonest cheating. THAT my friend is the difference. Nothing to do with playing older teams, since top LI teams do that all the time. It has everything to do with people telling you one thing but the reality is far different. It’s about dishonesty and cheating and lying about it, all to win a little kids game. Understand now? Nothing to do with playing substandard MD ‘23 teams. Everything to do with misrepresentation of the truth, or db cheater teams.

Dude pull your panties out of your rear you really sound like they are bunching up on you. It’s not lying if everyone is upfront about it , which in MD they are! It’s not cheating if the league or tourney allows it which they do! SIOO you Long Island piece of garbage, decide if your team can either handle the pressure or they can’t. But please STFU and let the kids play!!


Exactly ! MD teams are playing in right grade. We dont cheat by rules. Whats the big deal, Our teams are only 3 months to 18 months older than LI teams. Grow Up.. If you cant handle our older boys what can you handle ? Playing older players will make you better. Hit the wall if you cant play against our older players. None of us held our players back for lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/20/19 02:56 PM

Lol. 18 months older and your kids “elite” team still can’t beat my kids little team. Lmao! That’s just pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/20/19 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?

To pile on to this post - why is WP and TAz always boasting about winning 2023 tournaments and games and then always complaining about holdbacks??!! Isn’t that the same darn thing? Stop your blood clot crying and just let the kids play!


Correct. It’s exactly the same thing. Identical. No difference whatsoever. Except for one thing. The ‘23 LI teams are on age teams playing other on age teams. The MD cheater teams are ‘23 teams portraying themselves to be ‘24 teams, which they are not. It’s deception. Lying. Slimy, slippery, dishonest cheating. THAT my friend is the difference. Nothing to do with playing older teams, since top LI teams do that all the time. It has everything to do with people telling you one thing but the reality is far different. It’s about dishonesty and cheating and lying about it, all to win a little kids game. Understand now? Nothing to do with playing substandard MD ‘23 teams. Everything to do with misrepresentation of the truth, or db cheater teams.

Dude pull your panties out of your rear you really sound like they are bunching up on you. It’s not lying if everyone is upfront about it , which in MD they are! It’s not cheating if the league or tourney allows it which they do! SIOO you Long Island piece of garbage, decide if your team can either handle the pressure or they can’t. But please STFU and let the kids play!!


Exactly ! MD teams are playing in right grade. We dont cheat by rules. Whats the big deal, Our teams are only 3 months to 18 months older than LI teams. Grow Up.. If you cant handle our older boys what can you handle ? Playing older players will make you better. Hit the wall if you cant play against our older players. None of us held our players back for lacrosse.



You do realize that 18 months during the pubescent years is the physical difference between grown men and little boys, correct?

Based on your own comment, it's 12 and 13 year olds vs 14 and 15 year olds. Of course, nothing that we all didn't already know.

So why can't your "man-teams" beat my sons "little boy teams"???

Hmmm. Something to ponder.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/21/19 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?

To pile on to this post - why is WP and TAz always boasting about winning 2023 tournaments and games and then always complaining about holdbacks??!! Isn’t that the same darn thing? Stop your blood clot crying and just let the kids play!


Correct. It’s exactly the same thing. Identical. No difference whatsoever. Except for one thing. The ‘23 LI teams are on age teams playing other on age teams. The MD cheater teams are ‘23 teams portraying themselves to be ‘24 teams, which they are not. It’s deception. Lying. Slimy, slippery, dishonest cheating. THAT my friend is the difference. Nothing to do with playing older teams, since top LI teams do that all the time. It has everything to do with people telling you one thing but the reality is far different. It’s about dishonesty and cheating and lying about it, all to win a little kids game. Understand now? Nothing to do with playing substandard MD ‘23 teams. Everything to do with misrepresentation of the truth, or db cheater teams.

Dude pull your panties out of your rear you really sound like they are bunching up on you. It’s not lying if everyone is upfront about it , which in MD they are! It’s not cheating if the league or tourney allows it which they do! SIOO you Long Island piece of garbage, decide if your team can either handle the pressure or they can’t. But please STFU and let the kids play!!


Exactly ! MD teams are playing in right grade. We dont cheat by rules. Whats the big deal, Our teams are only 3 months to 18 months older than LI teams. Grow Up.. If you cant handle our older boys what can you handle ? Playing older players will make you better. Hit the wall if you cant play against our older players. None of us held our players back for lacrosse.



You do realize that 18 months during the pubescent years is the physical difference between grown men and little boys, correct?

Based on your own comment, it's 12 and 13 year olds vs 14 and 15 year olds. Of course, nothing that we all didn't already know.

So why can't your "man-teams" beat my sons "little boy teams"???

Hmmm. Something to ponder.









How about we send our '25's down to MD for your man-children to play? Think that would be enough of an advantage for your HoCo "elite" (wink, wink!) "boys"? It's OK, you can just change the grade year of your teams (again!), from 2023, I mean 2024 (sorry, that always screws me up) to 2025. No biggie. It'll be our little secret. No one will know that your boys are "cheating". Shhhh...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/21/19 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?

To pile on to this post - why is WP and TAz always boasting about winning 2023 tournaments and games and then always complaining about holdbacks??!! Isn’t that the same darn thing? Stop your blood clot crying and just let the kids play!


Correct. It’s exactly the same thing. Identical. No difference whatsoever. Except for one thing. The ‘23 LI teams are on age teams playing other on age teams. The MD cheater teams are ‘23 teams portraying themselves to be ‘24 teams, which they are not. It’s deception. Lying. Slimy, slippery, dishonest cheating. THAT my friend is the difference. Nothing to do with playing older teams, since top LI teams do that all the time. It has everything to do with people telling you one thing but the reality is far different. It’s about dishonesty and cheating and lying about it, all to win a little kids game. Understand now? Nothing to do with playing substandard MD ‘23 teams. Everything to do with misrepresentation of the truth, or db cheater teams.

Dude pull your panties out of your rear you really sound like they are bunching up on you. It’s not lying if everyone is upfront about it , which in MD they are! It’s not cheating if the league or tourney allows it which they do! SIOO you Long Island piece of garbage, decide if your team can either handle the pressure or they can’t. But please STFU and let the kids play!!


Exactly ! MD teams are playing in right grade. We dont cheat by rules. Whats the big deal, Our teams are only 3 months to 18 months older than LI teams. Grow Up.. If you cant handle our older boys what can you handle ? Playing older players will make you better. Hit the wall if you cant play against our older players. None of us held our players back for lacrosse.



You do realize that 18 months during the pubescent years is the physical difference between grown men and little boys, correct?

Based on your own comment, it's 12 and 13 year olds vs 14 and 15 year olds. Of course, nothing that we all didn't already know.

So why can't your "man-teams" beat my sons "little boy teams"???

Hmmm. Something to ponder.









How about we send our '25's down to MD for your man-children to play? Think that would be enough of an advantage for your HoCo "elite" (wink, wink!) "boys"? It's OK, you can just change the grade year of your teams (again!), from 2023, I mean 2024 (sorry, that always screws me up) to 2025. No biggie. It'll be our little secret. No one will know that your boys are "cheating". Shhhh...



You poor, sad under achiever. Trying to relive it through little Sal aren't you?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/21/19 02:37 PM

Madlax Capital 2024. Undisputed best team in this grade.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/24/19 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax Capital 2024. Undisputed best team in this grade.


Correction: Team 91 Wolfpack - INSIDE LACROSSE Magazines #1 Ranked team on the planet. And still 100% Holdback-free, just like always... totally cheater-free.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/24/19 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax Capital 2024. Undisputed best team in this grade.


Undisputed??

According to INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine, Team 91 Wolfpack is the “undisputed” #1 Team in the world. Madlax didn’t even make the list.. Madlax DC is an “Undisputed” mediocre 2023 cheater team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/29/19 03:44 AM

Hi guys. I’m Sal from LI. Wondered if ya’ll could help a brotha out. I’m new to the MD board and I’m trying to figure out how ya’ll work It. Do we post to the ‘23 board, because that’s the age of your players or do we post to the ‘24 board because that’s the age of the kids that you want people to think your teams are. This is really confusing to me because in LI all of the ‘24 teams have ‘24 age players. It’s a whole lot simpler. Thanks guys!

~Sal from LI
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/29/19 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi guys. I’m Sal from LI. Wondered if ya’ll could help a brotha out. I’m new to the MD board and I’m trying to figure out how ya’ll work It. Do we post to the ‘23 board, because that’s the age of your players or do we post to the ‘24 board because that’s the age of the kids that you want people to think your teams are. This is really confusing to me because in LI all of the ‘24 teams have ‘24 age players. It’s a whole lot simpler. Thanks guys!

~Sal from LI




Hahahahahahaha, wow this could be funniest, most original, most intelligent post ever on this board. Guessing it took you a couple of days to come up with such an insightful and though provoking post.

Here is the simple answer, you post on the 2024 board for 2024 teams and yes we play grade based and all the kids who are on 2024 teams are in 2024 classes, but you likely already know this but apparently people from LI cannot understand this concept. Let me ask a question, why are LI stunads so pathetic that they actually come to a MD board? This is really confusing to me because we couldn't care any less about LI teams but it seems that the folks from up North are obsessed with MD lacrosse, very odd.

~Biff from MD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 04/29/19 08:03 PM

It's a simple answer as to why the Dads from LI are obsessed with MD. They want what we have - successful lives, wives with less than 20% body fat, and sons that win at lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/05/19 02:16 AM

#1 Ranked Team in the World

* 100% 12 and 13 year olds
* 100% Holdback-free
* 100% Cheater-free

A cheater team's worst nightmare...

https://www.instagram.com/91lacrosse/p/BwGIN87BHiU/
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/05/19 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
#1 Ranked Team in the World

* 100% 12 and 13 year olds
* 100% Holdback-free
* 100% Cheater-free

A cheater team's worst nightmare...

https://www.instagram.com/91lacrosse/p/BwGIN87BHiU/





Yawn, move along nothing to see here
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/05/19 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax Capital 2024. Undisputed best team in this grade.


Undisputed??

According to INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine, Team 91 Wolfpack is the “undisputed” #1 Team in the world. Madlax didn’t even make the list.. Madlax DC is an “Undisputed” mediocre 2023 cheater team.



now that’s to Funny. You may be one of the most pathetic parents I have seen. Grow up already. You act like a 6 year old. Just listen to yourself . None of this matters .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/06/19 06:21 PM

Saw this on the 2023 Board. Thought it could be interesting here as well for Hoco 2024 Elite:

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2024 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/06/19 07:36 PM

I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/06/19 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.


Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/07/19 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.


Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.


I don't think the PP did forget, all the teams in MD are 100% cheater free as well. If you have any actual facts to suggest otherwise happy to hear them.

Now back to the post that got this started which actually was trying to get us back to talking about, gasp, lacrosse.

Most Improved, would lean Next Level
Best Team, right now with the win over 91 would have to go Madlax
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/08/19 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.


Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.


I don't think the PP did forget, all the teams in MD are 100% cheater free as well. If you have any actual facts to suggest otherwise happy to hear them.

Now back to the post that got this started which actually was trying to get us back to talking about, gasp, lacrosse.

Most Improved, would lean Next Level
Best Team, right now with the win over 91 would have to go Madlax


Serious question: which cheater team has the most cheater holdbacks? Based on proximity alone, I’d say the winner has to be Madlax. They are over 90%. Can any other cheater team beat that?

Another serious question: why don’t cheater teams ever play any on age games? LI elite teams play up most of their games. MD teams play down all their games. What’s up with that?

~Sal from LI
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/09/19 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.


Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.


I don't think the PP did forget, all the teams in MD are 100% cheater free as well. If you have any actual facts to suggest otherwise happy to hear them.

Now back to the post that got this started which actually was trying to get us back to talking about, gasp, lacrosse.

Most Improved, would lean Next Level
Best Team, right now with the win over 91 would have to go Madlax


Serious question: which cheater team has the most cheater holdbacks? Based on proximity alone, I’d say the winner has to be Madlax. They are over 90%. Can any other cheater team beat that?

Another serious question: why don’t cheater teams ever play any on age games? LI elite teams play up most of their games. MD teams play down all their games. What’s up with that?

~Sal from LI


Sal with a "serious" question again, oh joy. Apparently Sal you have not picked up a dictionary or used the Google machine since your last "serious" question to understand the definition of basic words in the English language such as "cheater" (you might also want to look up the word "proximity" as well). That is OK as you likely are a kid or have the brain capacity of a child so I understand and will let this pass.

You say you are from LI you so you actually have no idea the actual ages of the kids on a team but suffice it to say that Madlax is nowhere near 90% "holdback". Go through all the bizarre logic you want to to come up with that fake news 90% but it is wrong. I do understand if the fragile egos of LI parents need to believe that so whatever makes you sleep better at night, just keep doing it.

As to your final question I think you may know the answer to that already and it is a question that actually destroys your whole "cheater" theme. It is no secret that there are kids on these teams that do not meet the age requirements for on age tournaments/games so they don't play in them, hence they are not cheaters. Teams from MD play in a grade based system and play in grade based tournaments. Please have a moderately intelligent friend explain this to you since you do not seem to get it. In addition MD teams do not play "down" all of their games. By your own logic all of the teams are "cheater holdbacks". These teams are generally playing most of their games against each other so they are not playing "down". As the parent of an on age elite player I think a grade system at the youth level is not ideal but I also know the vast majority of "off age" kids are summer birthdays so the age difference is way smaller than it is made out to be and generally it is nice for kids to play with kids in their grade/class so I don't lose any sleep over it.

Finally the same serious question from before Sal. Why do LI people care so much about MD lacrosse? You did not answer this question the first time. Personally I think it is a bit sad that a person from LI would post on a MD board but if it makes you happy stay with it.

Best of luck at the WSYL!

Lovingly,
Biff from MD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/09/19 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.


Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.


I don't think the PP did forget, all the teams in MD are 100% cheater free as well. If you have any actual facts to suggest otherwise happy to hear them.

Now back to the post that got this started which actually was trying to get us back to talking about, gasp, lacrosse.

Most Improved, would lean Next Level
Best Team, right now with the win over 91 would have to go Madlax


Serious question: which cheater team has the most cheater holdbacks? Based on proximity alone, I’d say the winner has to be Madlax. They are over 90%. Can any other cheater team beat that?

Another serious question: why don’t cheater teams ever play any on age games? LI elite teams play up most of their games. MD teams play down all their games. What’s up with that?

~Sal from LI


Sal with a "serious" question again, oh joy. Apparently Sal you have not picked up a dictionary or used the Google machine since your last "serious" question to understand the definition of basic words in the English language such as "cheater" (you might also want to look up the word "proximity" as well). That is OK as you likely are a kid or have the brain capacity of a child so I understand and will let this pass.

You say you are from LI you so you actually have no idea the actual ages of the kids on a team but suffice it to say that Madlax is nowhere near 90% "holdback". Go through all the bizarre logic you want to to come up with that fake news 90% but it is wrong. I do understand if the fragile egos of LI parents need to believe that so whatever makes you sleep better at night, just keep doing it.

As to your final question I think you may know the answer to that already and it is a question that actually destroys your whole "cheater" theme. It is no secret that there are kids on these teams that do not meet the age requirements for on age tournaments/games so they don't play in them, hence they are not cheaters. Teams from MD play in a grade based system and play in grade based tournaments. Please have a moderately intelligent friend explain this to you since you do not seem to get it. In addition MD teams do not play "down" all of their games. By your own logic all of the teams are "cheater holdbacks". These teams are generally playing most of their games against each other so they are not playing "down". As the parent of an on age elite player I think a grade system at the youth level is not ideal but I also know the vast majority of "off age" kids are summer birthdays so the age difference is way smaller than it is made out to be and generally it is nice for kids to play with kids in their grade/class so I don't lose any sleep over it.

Finally the same serious question from before Sal. Why do LI people care so much about MD lacrosse? You did not answer this question the first time. Personally I think it is a bit sad that a person from LI would post on a MD board but if it makes you happy stay with it.

Best of luck at the WSYL!

Lovingly,
Biff from MD


Yo Buff, wuz up?

Quick question. Why is it that after years of MD parents denying the existence of holdbacks, when they are finally outed, all of their kids mysteriously have “summer birthdays”? How does every holdback in MD have a “summer birthday”? While you are pondering your spin on this, you should know that all 2005 born players on LI are considered holdbacks. So having a “summer birthday” does not mean that your cheater holdback kid is any less a cheater. He’s just a regular, everyday, run of the mill holdback cheater. So your “summer birthday” spin really isn’t buying you any good will at all. Just thought you would want to know, so you can start thinking about your next really lame excuse for your lies, deception and Moral-less culture, you cheating vermin.

Cheat-on Bro!

~Sal from LI
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/09/19 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.


Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.


I don't think the PP did forget, all the teams in MD are 100% cheater free as well. If you have any actual facts to suggest otherwise happy to hear them.

Now back to the post that got this started which actually was trying to get us back to talking about, gasp, lacrosse.

Most Improved, would lean Next Level
Best Team, right now with the win over 91 would have to go Madlax


Serious question: which cheater team has the most cheater holdbacks? Based on proximity alone, I’d say the winner has to be Madlax. They are over 90%. Can any other cheater team beat that?

Another serious question: why don’t cheater teams ever play any on age games? LI elite teams play up most of their games. MD teams play down all their games. What’s up with that?

~Sal from LI


Sal with a "serious" question again, oh joy. Apparently Sal you have not picked up a dictionary or used the Google machine since your last "serious" question to understand the definition of basic words in the English language such as "cheater" (you might also want to look up the word "proximity" as well). That is OK as you likely are a kid or have the brain capacity of a child so I understand and will let this pass.

You say you are from LI you so you actually have no idea the actual ages of the kids on a team but suffice it to say that Madlax is nowhere near 90% "holdback". Go through all the bizarre logic you want to to come up with that fake news 90% but it is wrong. I do understand if the fragile egos of LI parents need to believe that so whatever makes you sleep better at night, just keep doing it.

As to your final question I think you may know the answer to that already and it is a question that actually destroys your whole "cheater" theme. It is no secret that there are kids on these teams that do not meet the age requirements for on age tournaments/games so they don't play in them, hence they are not cheaters. Teams from MD play in a grade based system and play in grade based tournaments. Please have a moderately intelligent friend explain this to you since you do not seem to get it. In addition MD teams do not play "down" all of their games. By your own logic all of the teams are "cheater holdbacks". These teams are generally playing most of their games against each other so they are not playing "down". As the parent of an on age elite player I think a grade system at the youth level is not ideal but I also know the vast majority of "off age" kids are summer birthdays so the age difference is way smaller than it is made out to be and generally it is nice for kids to play with kids in their grade/class so I don't lose any sleep over it.

Finally the same serious question from before Sal. Why do LI people care so much about MD lacrosse? You did not answer this question the first time. Personally I think it is a bit sad that a person from LI would post on a MD board but if it makes you happy stay with it.

Best of luck at the WSYL!

Lovingly,
Biff from MD


Thanks bro. Check out my kid on ESPN2 on the 4th of July, for the World Championship. I’m sure you and your cheater kid will get a big kick out of it, watching players on TV that have been kicking his butt since 2nd grade. Who do ya’all think is going to win? INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine, the foremost authority on the sport of lacrosse, has seeded 91 Wolfpack #1 IN THE WORLD. that’s high praise, don’t you think? What do ya’all think?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/12/19 01:48 AM

Yo Buff. Serious question. Why do you suppose all of the MD on age kids are so bad? I really can’t figure it out. I mean, LI teams usually beat your cheater teams with 2023 age kids (ok, there’s a few 2022’s too). Could you imagine the carnage if a LI team ever played on age MD kids?? Yikes! I don’t even want to think about it! It must be like playing a C team on LI, and we don’t even have C teams! MD must have THE worst lacrosse players in the world, since they all play down. I mean, you guys are really the Pitts! Maybe your boys should focus on baseball, or better yet, track. What do you think?

Sal from Long Island
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/12/19 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.


Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.


I don't think the PP did forget, all the teams in MD are 100% cheater free as well. If you have any actual facts to suggest otherwise happy to hear them.

Now back to the post that got this started which actually was trying to get us back to talking about, gasp, lacrosse.

Most Improved, would lean Next Level
Best Team, right now with the win over 91 would have to go Madlax



Maybe the best of your crappy hoco cheater league, but the #1 Ranked Team in the World, according to THE authority on the sport of lacrosse, INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine, 2024 TEAM 91 WOLFPACK is THE-best 2024 team in the world! Hey. Don’t believe me. Check them out in your next issue of INSIDE LACROSSE magazine. Should be a great article!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/12/19 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.


Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.


I don't think the PP did forget, all the teams in MD are 100% cheater free as well. If you have any actual facts to suggest otherwise happy to hear them.

Now back to the post that got this started which actually was trying to get us back to talking about, gasp, lacrosse.

Most Improved, would lean Next Level
Best Team, right now with the win over 91 would have to go Madlax


Serious question: which cheater team has the most cheater holdbacks? Based on proximity alone, I’d say the winner has to be Madlax. They are over 90%. Can any other cheater team beat that?

Another serious question: why don’t cheater teams ever play any on age games? LI elite teams play up most of their games. MD teams play down all their games. What’s up with that?

~Sal from LI


Sal with a "serious" question again, oh joy. Apparently Sal you have not picked up a dictionary or used the Google machine since your last "serious" question to understand the definition of basic words in the English language such as "cheater" (you might also want to look up the word "proximity" as well). That is OK as you likely are a kid or have the brain capacity of a child so I understand and will let this pass.

You say you are from LI you so you actually have no idea the actual ages of the kids on a team but suffice it to say that Madlax is nowhere near 90% "holdback". Go through all the bizarre logic you want to to come up with that fake news 90% but it is wrong. I do understand if the fragile egos of LI parents need to believe that so whatever makes you sleep better at night, just keep doing it.

As to your final question I think you may know the answer to that already and it is a question that actually destroys your whole "cheater" theme. It is no secret that there are kids on these teams that do not meet the age requirements for on age tournaments/games so they don't play in them, hence they are not cheaters. Teams from MD play in a grade based system and play in grade based tournaments. Please have a moderately intelligent friend explain this to you since you do not seem to get it. In addition MD teams do not play "down" all of their games. By your own logic all of the teams are "cheater holdbacks". These teams are generally playing most of their games against each other so they are not playing "down". As the parent of an on age elite player I think a grade system at the youth level is not ideal but I also know the vast majority of "off age" kids are summer birthdays so the age difference is way smaller than it is made out to be and generally it is nice for kids to play with kids in their grade/class so I don't lose any sleep over it.

Finally the same serious question from before Sal. Why do LI people care so much about MD lacrosse? You did not answer this question the first time. Personally I think it is a bit sad that a person from LI would post on a MD board but if it makes you happy stay with it.

Best of luck at the WSYL!

Lovingly,
Biff from MD


Thanks bro. Check out my kid on ESPN2 on the 4th of July, for the World Championship. I’m sure you and your cheater kid will get a big kick out of it, watching players on TV that have been kicking his butt since 2nd grade. Who do ya’all think is going to win? INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine, the foremost authority on the sport of lacrosse, has seeded 91 Wolfpack #1 IN THE WORLD. that’s high praise, don’t you think? What do ya’all think?

don’t think that at all . It’s actually sad that you think your 7th grade team is the best in the world .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/13/19 01:44 PM


[/quote]

Sal with a "serious" question again, oh joy. Apparently Sal you have not picked up a dictionary or used the Google machine since your last "serious" question to understand the definition of basic words in the English language such as "cheater" (you might also want to look up the word "proximity" as well). That is OK as you likely are a kid or have the brain capacity of a child so I understand and will let this pass.

You say you are from LI you so you actually have no idea the actual ages of the kids on a team but suffice it to say that Madlax is nowhere near 90% "holdback". Go through all the bizarre logic you want to to come up with that fake news 90% but it is wrong. I do understand if the fragile egos of LI parents need to believe that so whatever makes you sleep better at night, just keep doing it.

As to your final question I think you may know the answer to that already and it is a question that actually destroys your whole "cheater" theme. It is no secret that there are kids on these teams that do not meet the age requirements for on age tournaments/games so they don't play in them, hence they are not cheaters. Teams from MD play in a grade based system and play in grade based tournaments. Please have a moderately intelligent friend explain this to you since you do not seem to get it. In addition MD teams do not play "down" all of their games. By your own logic all of the teams are "cheater holdbacks". These teams are generally playing most of their games against each other so they are not playing "down". As the parent of an on age elite player I think a grade system at the youth level is not ideal but I also know the vast majority of "off age" kids are summer birthdays so the age difference is way smaller than it is made out to be and generally it is nice for kids to play with kids in their grade/class so I don't lose any sleep over it.

Finally the same serious question from before Sal. Why do LI people care so much about MD lacrosse? You did not answer this question the first time. Personally I think it is a bit sad that a person from LI would post on a MD board but if it makes you happy stay with it.

Best of luck at the WSYL!

Lovingly,
Biff from MD[/quote]

Yo Buff, wuz up?

Quick question. Why is it that after years of MD parents denying the existence of holdbacks, when they are finally outed, all of their kids mysteriously have “summer birthdays”? How does every holdback in MD have a “summer birthday”? While you are pondering your spin on this, you should know that all 2005 born players on LI are considered holdbacks. So having a “summer birthday” does not mean that your cheater holdback kid is any less a cheater. He’s just a regular, everyday, run of the mill holdback cheater. So your “summer birthday” spin really isn’t buying you any good will at all. Just thought you would want to know, so you can start thinking about your next really lame excuse for your lies, deception and Moral-less culture, you cheating vermin.

Cheat-on Bro!

~Sal from LI

[/quote]

Sal -

Good to hear from you and your friend who posted right after you. Was a little busy walking the fairways at Chevy and Congo (it's what keeps me "Buff" as you called me) so haven't had a ton of time to continue our conversation. I find it amusing you still have yet to answer the question I have posed multiple times but since you continue to use english language words incorrectly ("cheater" for example) I assume you struggle with forming a coherent response. FYI, your 100% holdback, all kids 2/3 years older spin is not buying you any good will at all either. Just so you know us MD folk do not care at all about LI lacrosse or what you think of us.

"But Biff, if you don't care why do you respond?" Excellent question Sal. I respond because nothing amuses me more than triggering people whose entire existence seems to revolve around youth lacrosse and if I can get a chuckle or two out of my follow MD people then my job is done. To your little friend who posted right after you. Do you honestly believe that anyone outside of those associated with the teams involved and the people of LI are interrupting their July 4th celebration to watch the WSYL? If you do I have a sweet real estate deal to pitch you.

Finally Sal, since you ended your last post in such a mean way, my final words to you are: "You dirt-eating piece of slime! You person-sucking pig! You son of a motherless goat!"

Once again best of luck to the kids attending the WSYL. I have no doubt it will be a great experience for them. Sal and your little friend, perhaps you should just sit back and enjoy it as opposed to worrying so much about MD lacrosse.

To all the actual MD people, good luck in the HoCo playoffs!

Your friend,
Biff (or "Buff" as Sal likes to call me, hope it catches on)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/13/19 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.


Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.


I don't think the PP did forget, all the teams in MD are 100% cheater free as well. If you have any actual facts to suggest otherwise happy to hear them.

Now back to the post that got this started which actually was trying to get us back to talking about, gasp, lacrosse.

Most Improved, would lean Next Level
Best Team, right now with the win over 91 would have to go Madlax


Serious question: which cheater team has the most cheater holdbacks? Based on proximity alone, I’d say the winner has to be Madlax. They are over 90%. Can any other cheater team beat that?

Another serious question: why don’t cheater teams ever play any on age games? LI elite teams play up most of their games. MD teams play down all their games. What’s up with that?

~Sal from LI


Sal with a "serious" question again, oh joy. Apparently Sal you have not picked up a dictionary or used the Google machine since your last "serious" question to understand the definition of basic words in the English language such as "cheater" (you might also want to look up the word "proximity" as well). That is OK as you likely are a kid or have the brain capacity of a child so I understand and will let this pass.

You say you are from LI you so you actually have no idea the actual ages of the kids on a team but suffice it to say that Madlax is nowhere near 90% "holdback". Go through all the bizarre logic you want to to come up with that fake news 90% but it is wrong. I do understand if the fragile egos of LI parents need to believe that so whatever makes you sleep better at night, just keep doing it.

As to your final question I think you may know the answer to that already and it is a question that actually destroys your whole "cheater" theme. It is no secret that there are kids on these teams that do not meet the age requirements for on age tournaments/games so they don't play in them, hence they are not cheaters. Teams from MD play in a grade based system and play in grade based tournaments. Please have a moderately intelligent friend explain this to you since you do not seem to get it. In addition MD teams do not play "down" all of their games. By your own logic all of the teams are "cheater holdbacks". These teams are generally playing most of their games against each other so they are not playing "down". As the parent of an on age elite player I think a grade system at the youth level is not ideal but I also know the vast majority of "off age" kids are summer birthdays so the age difference is way smaller than it is made out to be and generally it is nice for kids to play with kids in their grade/class so I don't lose any sleep over it.

Finally the same serious question from before Sal. Why do LI people care so much about MD lacrosse? You did not answer this question the first time. Personally I think it is a bit sad that a person from LI would post on a MD board but if it makes you happy stay with it.

Best of luck at the WSYL!

Lovingly,
Biff from MD


Thanks bro. Check out my kid on ESPN2 on the 4th of July, for the World Championship. I’m sure you and your cheater kid will get a big kick out of it, watching players on TV that have been kicking his butt since 2nd grade. Who do ya’all think is going to win? INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine, the foremost authority on the sport of lacrosse, has seeded 91 Wolfpack #1 IN THE WORLD. that’s high praise, don’t you think? What do ya’all think?



I think it's 7th grade lacrosse and who cares? Seriously these parents who put so much stock in this are absolutely delusional. How about just enjoy the ride and try to be quiet on the sidelines so your kid can have fun for once!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/16/19 11:25 PM

Yo Buff. Sal here, with another serious question.

How many holdbacks are on your kids team? I know that the 80% number is well documented on this very MD thread, by disgruntled parents of on age players. But, hey, maybe they are just upset because their kid doesn’t get any playing time because he plays behind a bunch of holdbacks. So maybe, just maybe, it’s less than 80%. We both know it’s not, because of the sheer numbers of posts claiming the contrary, but hey let’s just play along, right? For the sake of argument, let’s be crazy conservative and say 50%. Yeah. A joke! I know! But let’s run the numbers. 50% of an average of 26 player roster is 13 players. Ok. 13 players are holdbacks. But, wait a minute. Top teams only play 13 players in competitive games, right. So in every competitive game, only holdbacks touch the field in this 50% scenario. So for all practical purposes, that fictional 50% holdback team is really 100% holdbacks!

So when you play my kid Luigi’s team from LI, who has no holdbacks or any 05’s for that matter, your kid Buff Jr’s team Is a full year older, whether we use your lame 50% holdback lie, or the reality of 80%.

Which leads me to my next serious question, why are MD players so bad that they have to cheat and still lose. But we’ll leave that serious question for next time.

Until then, say hey to Junior for me.

~Sal from LI
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/17/19 01:58 PM

Sal and Your LI Buds -

Good to hear from you as always. I love the spirited debate. I am still a little baffled that no one from LI can seem to answer a very simple question: why do you care so much about MD lacrosse? All I am asking for is one well reasoned response. I think I have been gracious enough to try and answer your questions so if one of you could take a stab at answering that question it would be much appreciated.

As to your last post we can debate age, % of team all you want, end of the day until birth dates are posted no one here really knows. It would not surprise me if some of the disgruntled people posting as "MD parents" are, wait for it, from LI. But that is neither here her nor there, and I will again concede that there are "off age" players as defined by WSYL or whatever governing body determines age groups for age based leagues and tournaments (which by the way we do not play in, so once again not cheaters). I also love how you play the game that even if you are on age but not born in an eight month window you are a holdback, very clever. Also your bizarre logic on the 50% of 26 means that 100% of the players who are on the field are holdbacks is 100% wrong since I know for a fact that at least on our elite team the starting 10 are no where near 100% holdback. As always believe what you want.

As to your final point you do realize this is a long game for many people don't you? A very high percentage of the kids on MD elite teams are either at, or will be attending, high schools that are consistently nationally ranked and each year send a good numbers of kids to top Div I schools. Once again if you want to define these kids as "bad" so be it, that is your opinion and you are more than welcome to it.

A final thought for you, you do realize that saying another team is good in no way detracts from whatever team you root for. I know that many of the LI teams I have seen play (or we played against) are excellent teams. I have also repeatedly wished the WSYL teams the best of luck, for those participating it will be a great experience. If you want to say (or maybe you are) the best 2024 team in the nation, then great, happy for you and your kids. In a year and a half these kids will be playing high school lacrosse and for those who won championships or were ranked #1 in the 7th grade they will have a great memory and for those who didn't it will all be irrelevant.

Well my caddie just told me the 1st tee is open so until next time.

Your loving friend,
Biff
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/17/19 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yo Buff. Sal here, with another serious question.

How many holdbacks are on your kids team? I know that the 80% number is well documented on this very MD thread, by disgruntled parents of on age players. But, hey, maybe they are just upset because their kid doesn’t get any playing time because he plays behind a bunch of holdbacks. So maybe, just maybe, it’s less than 80%. We both know it’s not, because of the sheer numbers of posts claiming the contrary, but hey let’s just play along, right? For the sake of argument, let’s be crazy conservative and say 50%. Yeah. A joke! I know! But let’s run the numbers. 50% of an average of 26 player roster is 13 players. Ok. 13 players are holdbacks. But, wait a minute. Top teams only play 13 players in competitive games, right. So in every competitive game, only holdbacks touch the field in this 50% scenario. So for all practical purposes, that fictional 50% holdback team is really 100% holdbacks!

So when you play my kid Luigi’s team from LI, who has no holdbacks or any 05’s for that matter, your kid Buff Jr’s team Is a full year older, whether we use your lame 50% holdback lie, or the reality of 80%.

Which leads me to my next serious question, why are MD players so bad that they have to cheat and still lose. But we’ll leave that serious question for next time.

Until then, say hey to Junior for me.

~Sal from LI



My son plays for a 5th grade high level club team in MD. We beat up on the 5th grade Express, and Express North in the fall. All I heard was complaints about hold backs once the game was going in our favor. It made me chuckle, because we don't have any on the team. Then you look on the boards on here, and there's LI teams complaining about each other using hold backs. Is that just the automatic defense to a loss?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/17/19 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yo Buff. Sal here, with another serious question.

How many holdbacks are on your kids team? I know that the 80% number is well documented on this very MD thread, by disgruntled parents of on age players. But, hey, maybe they are just upset because their kid doesn’t get any playing time because he plays behind a bunch of holdbacks. So maybe, just maybe, it’s less than 80%. We both know it’s not, because of the sheer numbers of posts claiming the contrary, but hey let’s just play along, right? For the sake of argument, let’s be crazy conservative and say 50%. Yeah. A joke! I know! But let’s run the numbers. 50% of an average of 26 player roster is 13 players. Ok. 13 players are holdbacks. But, wait a minute. Top teams only play 13 players in competitive games, right. So in every competitive game, only holdbacks touch the field in this 50% scenario. So for all practical purposes, that fictional 50% holdback team is really 100% holdbacks!

So when you play my kid Luigi’s team from LI, who has no holdbacks or any 05’s for that matter, your kid Buff Jr’s team Is a full year older, whether we use your lame 50% holdback lie, or the reality of 80%.

Which leads me to my next serious question, why are MD players so bad that they have to cheat and still lose. But we’ll leave that serious question for next time.

Until then, say hey to Junior for me.

~Sal from LI



My son plays for a 5th grade high level club team in MD. We beat up on the 5th grade Express, and Express North in the fall. All I heard was complaints about hold backs once the game was going in our favor. It made me chuckle, because we don't have any on the team. Then you look on the boards on here, and there's LI teams complaining about each other using hold backs. Is that just the automatic defense to a loss?



I am not a LI parent. The holdback issue is real and not even under the radar. Ask the HOCO league who actually does have DOB's for the players. It is within the rules to have older players as no age restrictions are required but they do have DOB's it all depends on what one considers the correct age for a 2024 class/grade. The contact information for the league is on the HOCO website and they will confirm this. Look at 2024 National Championship event under the rules the reference "While it will seem like the most important event in the history of the world to some, we ask that everyone attend the event for 13/14 years olds with perspective. We should change the current mold of youth lacrosse and expect all parties should exhibit the highest level of sportsmanship at all times." In some places 14 year olds are entering 9th grade. I do remember a time when 7th grade would be 12/13 year olds. In public schools a child born prior to August 05 would be a rising 9th grader. The assumption that no 12 year old players would be at this event is telling.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/17/19 07:44 PM



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yo Buff. Sal here, with another serious question.

How many holdbacks are on your kids team? I know that the 80% number is well documented on this very MD thread, by disgruntled parents of on age players. But, hey, maybe they are just upset because their kid doesn’t get any playing time because he plays behind a bunch of holdbacks. So maybe, just maybe, it’s less than 80%. We both know it’s not, because of the sheer numbers of posts claiming the contrary, but hey let’s just play along, right? For the sake of argument, let’s be crazy conservative and say 50%. Yeah. A joke! I know! But let’s run the numbers. 50% of an average of 26 player roster is 13 players. Ok. 13 players are holdbacks. But, wait a minute. Top teams only play 13 players in competitive games, right. So in every competitive game, only holdbacks touch the field in this 50% scenario. So for all practical purposes, that fictional 50% holdback team is really 100% holdbacks!

So when you play my kid Luigi’s team from LI, who has no holdbacks or any 05’s for that matter, your kid Buff Jr’s team Is a full year older, whether we use your lame 50% holdback lie, or the reality of 80%.

Which leads me to my next serious question, why are MD players so bad that they have to cheat and still lose. But we’ll leave that serious question for next time.

Until then, say hey to Junior for me.

~Sal from LI



My son plays for a 5th grade high level club team in MD. We beat up on the 5th grade Express, and Express North in the fall. All I heard was complaints about hold backs once the game was going in our favor. It made me chuckle, because we don't have any on the team. Then you look on the boards on here, and there's LI teams complaining about each other using hold backs. Is that just the automatic defense to a loss?


Shut up 5th grader know nothing daddy and go back to the 5th grade board. No 5th grade parents here, you troll.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/18/19 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yo Buff. Sal here, with another serious question.

How many holdbacks are on your kids team? I know that the 80% number is well documented on this very MD thread, by disgruntled parents of on age players. But, hey, maybe they are just upset because their kid doesn’t get any playing time because he plays behind a bunch of holdbacks. So maybe, just maybe, it’s less than 80%. We both know it’s not, because of the sheer numbers of posts claiming the contrary, but hey let’s just play along, right? For the sake of argument, let’s be crazy conservative and say 50%. Yeah. A joke! I know! But let’s run the numbers. 50% of an average of 26 player roster is 13 players. Ok. 13 players are holdbacks. But, wait a minute. Top teams only play 13 players in competitive games, right. So in every competitive game, only holdbacks touch the field in this 50% scenario. So for all practical purposes, that fictional 50% holdback team is really 100% holdbacks!

So when you play my kid Luigi’s team from LI, who has no holdbacks or any 05’s for that matter, your kid Buff Jr’s team Is a full year older, whether we use your lame 50% holdback lie, or the reality of 80%.

Which leads me to my next serious question, why are MD players so bad that they have to cheat and still lose. But we’ll leave that serious question for next time.

Until then, say hey to Junior for me.

~Sal from LI



My son plays for a 5th grade high level club team in MD. We beat up on the 5th grade Express, and Express North in the fall. All I heard was complaints about hold backs once the game was going in our favor. It made me chuckle, because we don't have any on the team. Then you look on the boards on here, and there's LI teams complaining about each other using hold backs. Is that just the automatic defense to a loss?



I am not a LI parent. The holdback issue is real and not even under the radar. Ask the HOCO league who actually does have DOB's for the players. It is within the rules to have older players as no age restrictions are required but they do have DOB's it all depends on what one considers the correct age for a 2024 class/grade. The contact information for the league is on the HOCO website and they will confirm this. Look at 2024 National Championship event under the rules the reference "While it will seem like the most important event in the history of the world to some, we ask that everyone attend the event for 13/14 years olds with perspective. We should change the current mold of youth lacrosse and expect all parties should exhibit the highest level of sportsmanship at all times." In some places 14 year olds are entering 9th grade. I do remember a time when 7th grade would be 12/13 year olds. In public schools a child born prior to August 05 would be a rising 9th grader. The assumption that no 12 year old players would be at this event is telling.





THE CHEATER LEAGUE TELLING THE CHEATER PARENTS TO "EXHIBIT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SPORTSMANSHIP AT ALL TIMES"!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!

THE CONTRADICTION OF ALL CONTRADICTIONS!!!

THE CHEATERS TELLING THE CHEATERS TO BE GOOD SPORTS. REALLY??!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/18/19 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yo Buff. Sal here, with another serious question.

How many holdbacks are on your kids team? I know that the 80% number is well documented on this very MD thread, by disgruntled parents of on age players. But, hey, maybe they are just upset because their kid doesn’t get any playing time because he plays behind a bunch of holdbacks. So maybe, just maybe, it’s less than 80%. We both know it’s not, because of the sheer numbers of posts claiming the contrary, but hey let’s just play along, right? For the sake of argument, let’s be crazy conservative and say 50%. Yeah. A joke! I know! But let’s run the numbers. 50% of an average of 26 player roster is 13 players. Ok. 13 players are holdbacks. But, wait a minute. Top teams only play 13 players in competitive games, right. So in every competitive game, only holdbacks touch the field in this 50% scenario. So for all practical purposes, that fictional 50% holdback team is really 100% holdbacks!

So when you play my kid Luigi’s team from LI, who has no holdbacks or any 05’s for that matter, your kid Buff Jr’s team Is a full year older, whether we use your lame 50% holdback lie, or the reality of 80%.

My son plays for a 5th grade high level club team in MD. We beat up on the 5th grade Express, and Express North in the fall. All I heard was complaints about hold backs once the game was going in our favor. It made me chuckle, because we don't have any on the team. Then you look on the boards on here, and there's LI teams complaining about each other using hold backs. Is that just the automatic defense to a loss?

I am not a LI parent. The holdback issue is real and not even under the radar. Ask the HOCO league who actually does have DOB's for the players. It is within the rules to have older players as no age restrictions are required but they do have DOB's it all depends on what one considers the correct age for a 2024 class/grade. The contact information for the league is on the HOCO website and they will confirm this. Look at 2024 National Championship event under the rules the reference "While it will seem like the most important event in the history of the world to some, we ask that everyone attend the event for 13/14 years olds with perspective. We should change the current mold of youth lacrosse and expect all parties should exhibit the highest level of sportsmanship at all times." In some places 14 year olds are entering 9th grade. I do remember a time when 7th grade would be 12/13 year olds. In public schools a child born prior to August 05 would be a rising 9th grader. The assumption that no 12 year old players would be at this event is telling.


What is telling is ....that there is so many people that are holding their child back for lacrosse. Years ago this was mainly limited to private schools. Not anymore. Once Cat got out of bag, and the public HOCO league ( People who ran it at start had ties to Holdbacks in MIAA schools) decided to go grade base instead of age base like all their other leagues....the race was on in Maryland to hold your child back. Frankly everyone knows it is wrong at YOUTH level, yet the holdback race goes on with Maryland and private schools everywhere leading the way.

No justification for this at youth level .. no matter how hard the holdback apologists try.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/18/19 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yo Buff. Sal here, with another serious question.

How many holdbacks are on your kids team? I know that the 80% number is well documented on this very MD thread, by disgruntled parents of on age players. But, hey, maybe they are just upset because their kid doesn’t get any playing time because he plays behind a bunch of holdbacks. So maybe, just maybe, it’s less than 80%. We both know it’s not, because of the sheer numbers of posts claiming the contrary, but hey let’s just play along, right? For the sake of argument, let’s be crazy conservative and say 50%. Yeah. A joke! I know! But let’s run the numbers. 50% of an average of 26 player roster is 13 players. Ok. 13 players are holdbacks. But, wait a minute. Top teams only play 13 players in competitive games, right. So in every competitive game, only holdbacks touch the field in this 50% scenario. So for all practical purposes, that fictional 50% holdback team is really 100% holdbacks!

So when you play my kid Luigi’s team from LI, who has no holdbacks or any 05’s for that matter, your kid Buff Jr’s team Is a full year older, whether we use your lame 50% holdback lie, or the reality of 80%.

My son plays for a 5th grade high level club team in MD. We beat up on the 5th grade Express, and Express North in the fall. All I heard was complaints about hold backs once the game was going in our favor. It made me chuckle, because we don't have any on the team. Then you look on the boards on here, and there's LI teams complaining about each other using hold backs. Is that just the automatic defense to a loss?

I am not a LI parent. The holdback issue is real and not even under the radar. Ask the HOCO league who actually does have DOB's for the players. It is within the rules to have older players as no age restrictions are required but they do have DOB's it all depends on what one considers the correct age for a 2024 class/grade. The contact information for the league is on the HOCO website and they will confirm this. Look at 2024 National Championship event under the rules the reference "While it will seem like the most important event in the history of the world to some, we ask that everyone attend the event for 13/14 years olds with perspective. We should change the current mold of youth lacrosse and expect all parties should exhibit the highest level of sportsmanship at all times." In some places 14 year olds are entering 9th grade. I do remember a time when 7th grade would be 12/13 year olds. In public schools a child born prior to August 05 would be a rising 9th grader. The assumption that no 12 year old players would be at this event is telling.


What is telling is ....that there is so many people that are holding their child back for lacrosse. Years ago this was mainly limited to private schools. Not anymore. Once Cat got out of bag, and the public HOCO league ( People who ran it at start had ties to Holdbacks in MIAA schools) decided to go grade base instead of age base like all their other leagues....the race was on in Maryland to hold your child back. Frankly everyone knows it is wrong at YOUTH level, yet the holdback race goes on with Maryland and private schools everywhere leading the way.

No justification for this at youth level .. no matter how hard the holdback apologists try.


Absolutely agree. The temporary advantage of the holdback, especially at this age, is very short lived. The true athletes will rise to the top soon enough. And for all you holdback parents that like to site holdbacks from MD playing D1, for everyone of your MD holdback D1 players, prob 5 LI on age players go D1. There are simply holdback D1 players from MD because there are sooooooo many MD holdbacks. I would argue that they would have gone D1 anyway, were they not holdbacks

What you don’t hear about is about all those holdbacks that don’t work out. No D1 scholarships. We don’t like to talk about those kids now do we. But for every D1 holdback, how many holdbacks are there that were a complete bust and a waste of a year of the kids life. I’m sure that ratio is gigantic. Yet no one talks about that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/19/19 06:14 AM

Why can't we just talk about the games
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/19/19 11:23 AM

At the risk of moving on from the 91/Mad Lax cheater conversation, 91 and Mad Lax in the final today. 91 beat a much improved Next Level team, and Mad Lax held off a tough Hawks team 6-5 in the semi's. The ML/Hawks game was really well played with a lot of talent on both teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/19/19 02:27 PM

The u-19 invite list had 17 kids from MD and 25ish kids from LI (more from upstate). The population of LI is nearly 25% bigger than the state of MD. The black population of MD is 29% and it’s 9% in LI, so the population of kids playing lacrosse is much smaller (happily the game is growing and you see more black kids but I don’t see many on the LI teams we play.) You’d agree that u-19 is age based right? You’d agree that that the first grade holdback advantage (while wildly exaggerated) should largely be gone right by 18-19? You do watch Long Island/MD 7th and 8th grade lacrosse and see almost no difference in the size of the kids right? 91 2022 Smash looked as big as any team I’ve seen last summer. So can we agree there is a lot of good lacrosse in both places? Long Island has a slight edge (but not sure how much in adjusting for population). Great tough athletic players from up there and you should spend more time enjoying how well they play than complaining here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/20/19 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
At the risk of moving on from the 91/Mad Lax cheater conversation, 91 and Mad Lax in the final today. 91 beat a much improved Next Level team, and Mad Lax held off a tough Hawks team 6-5 in the semi's. The ML/Hawks game was really well played with a lot of talent on both teams.


Nobody cares about a bunch of inferior cheater kids playing down just to be able to get some playing time. Pathetic. Just let them play with the 2023 B’s where they belong.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/24/19 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yo Buff. Sal here, with another serious question.

How many holdbacks are on your kids team? I know that the 80% number is well documented on this very MD thread, by disgruntled parents of on age players. But, hey, maybe they are just upset because their kid doesn’t get any playing time because he plays behind a bunch of holdbacks. So maybe, just maybe, it’s less than 80%. We both know it’s not, because of the sheer numbers of posts claiming the contrary, but hey let’s just play along, right? For the sake of argument, let’s be crazy conservative and say 50%. Yeah. A joke! I know! But let’s run the numbers. 50% of an average of 26 player roster is 13 players. Ok. 13 players are holdbacks. But, wait a minute. Top teams only play 13 players in competitive games, right. So in every competitive game, only holdbacks touch the field in this 50% scenario. So for all practical purposes, that fictional 50% holdback team is really 100% holdbacks!

So when you play my kid Luigi’s team from LI, who has no holdbacks or any 05’s for that matter, your kid Buff Jr’s team Is a full year older, whether we use your lame 50% holdback lie, or the reality of 80%.

My son plays for a 5th grade high level club team in MD. We beat up on the 5th grade Express, and Express North in the fall. All I heard was complaints about hold backs once the game was going in our favor. It made me chuckle, because we don't have any on the team. Then you look on the boards on here, and there's LI teams complaining about each other using hold backs. Is that just the automatic defense to a loss?

I am not a LI parent. The holdback issue is real and not even under the radar. Ask the HOCO league who actually does have DOB's for the players. It is within the rules to have older players as no age restrictions are required but they do have DOB's it all depends on what one considers the correct age for a 2024 class/grade. The contact information for the league is on the HOCO website and they will confirm this. Look at 2024 National Championship event under the rules the reference "While it will seem like the most important event in the history of the world to some, we ask that everyone attend the event for 13/14 years olds with perspective. We should change the current mold of youth lacrosse and expect all parties should exhibit the highest level of sportsmanship at all times." In some places 14 year olds are entering 9th grade. I do remember a time when 7th grade would be 12/13 year olds. In public schools a child born prior to August 05 would be a rising 9th grader. The assumption that no 12 year old players would be at this event is telling.


What is telling is ....that there is so many people that are holding their child back for lacrosse. Years ago this was mainly limited to private schools. Not anymore. Once Cat got out of bag, and the public HOCO league ( People who ran it at start had ties to Holdbacks in MIAA schools) decided to go grade base instead of age base like all their other leagues....the race was on in Maryland to hold your child back. Frankly everyone knows it is wrong at YOUTH level, yet the holdback race goes on with Maryland and private schools everywhere leading the way.

No justification for this at youth level .. no matter how hard the holdback apologists try.



Yo Buffy, what do you and your MD cheater friends have to say about such common sense logic, by your fellow Marylander? Makes you feel like a real person bag, right?

Do you believe that your cheater league calls 7th grade lacrosse players 13 and 14 year olds??? Wake up call... 7th graders are suppose to be 12 and 13 year olds! My kid Luigi is in 7th grade and he is 12 years old and won't be 13 until September. What does your cheater league have to say about that? He's a 6th grader in their eye's, right?

You people are corrupt to the core. And to think, your most important job as a parent is to teach your kid right from wrong, through your words and deeds. Simply shameful what you and people like you are teaching your youngsters.

~Sal from Long Island
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/24/19 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't we just talk about the games



When you give a select group of children an advantage other children dont get the same exact age or even younger, you have to expect some chatter in that sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/24/19 07:46 PM



No justification for this at youth level .. no matter how hard the holdback apologists try.
[/quote]


Yo Buffy, what do you and your MD cheater friends have to say about such common sense logic, by your fellow Marylander? Makes you feel like a real person bag, right?

Do you believe that your cheater league calls 7th grade lacrosse players 13 and 14 year olds??? Wake up call... 7th graders are suppose to be 12 and 13 year olds! My kid Luigi is in 7th grade and he is 12 years old and won't be 13 until September. What does your cheater league have to say about that? He's a 6th grader in their eye's, right?

You people are corrupt to the core. And to think, your most important job as a parent is to teach your kid right from wrong, through your words and deeds. Simply shameful what you and people like you are teaching your youngsters.

~Sal from Long Island

[/quote]

Sal -

As always good to hear from you, you seem especially upset in your post above, I hope everything is OK with you. I do keep wondering though why you cannot answer a simple question for me, why do you care about MD lacrosse so much? In the grand scheme of things we don't play each other that much, most normal human beings don't put too much stock in 7th grade rankings for any sport, and finally there is an event called the WSYL which is age based so that for those people who care about having the best 7th grade team in the world at something you have it. As I have said sincerely many times before I wish all the WSYL players good luck and I am sure it will be a great experience for the kids and their families.

Let me also be upfront again about where I stand on things. I have an "elite" player who is on age. I have no issues with the summer "holdback" but am not a fan of the "double holdback" as it puts my child at a real disadvantage in terms of age but end of the day fighting through challenges tends to build a better person. I am also not an apologist as I tend to believe that most parents are not inherently evil and are trying to do what is in the best interest of their child when making these decisions, a good percentage of which are made when a kid is going into K (remember entry age requirements for MD and NY are different). I am just trying to put things in a little bit of perspective (entry into elite high schools, cheaper to holdback in middle school, summer birthdays, assumption it will lead to better college prospects - see next paragraph, etc.). Finally, I (or any parent in MD lacrosse) do not get to make the rules by which we play so what do you suggest we do? I am a huge supporter of "age based" systems at the youth sports level and will heartily support any effort to get back to this in MD lacrosse but until that time I am also not going to moan about it like a little female dog (getting a little saucy there, tough day at work, I apologize). End of the day I do not like the trends I see in holding back but I also am not in a position to judge parents who I know nothing about or what their motivations are. You believe they are evil and unjustified, I tend to think the issue is a little more complicated than that with strong incentives to make holding back a rational decision.

There have been some interesting posts on the benefit, or lack thereof, of the holdback, especially the post above on u19 team. Being an analytical person and having 15 minutes between my squash matches I decided to try and bring some facts to the table. Took a look through the rosters of the 16 teams in the NCAA tournament this year and only a couple have birthdates so the sample size is not huge but I am guessing somewhat representative (this could be a wrong assumption). In looking at the Freshman and Sophomore classes (kids closer to when MD club went grade vs. age based which I think was about four years ago) and taking out anyone listed as "redshirt" we see the following: 1) Average and median age on Sept. 1 of their Freshman year was ~18.9, you would expect this to be 18.5 with an average distribution of birthdays so about 4/5 months older than you would expect. 2) 40% of the kids were "LI Holdbacks", on age but Sept-Dec birthday, 30% were Holdbacks, born before Sept 1 and 30% were "LI on Age", born Jan-Sept. Interesting enough the one NY school in the sample skewed more LI on Age and Holdback. Take what you want from this but in general a kid playing at a top DI programs is likely older than a pure age based system would dictate, the largest group of kids fell into that fall-Dec birth range and for every LI on Age there was one Holdback. Since MD only went grade based a few years ago it will be the classes coming into college in the next couple of years which will actually show if there is any benefit.

Sal I do implore you to look up the word "cheater", in the words of Inigo Montoya, "you keep using that word, I don't think you know what it means."

One final note since you decided to take the really low road with your final statement I will simply respond that based on the behavior I have seen from LI parents at tournaments it is laughable you have the nerve to talk about "shameful" and "what you are teaching your youngsters". That being said always happy to continue the debate but I do implore you to come up with something a little better than "my son 12, your son 16, you bad, me good" over and over again, at least put a little effort into it.

Your loving friend,
Buff (I like the new LI version of my name)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/25/19 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't we just talk about the games



When you give a select group of children an advantage other children dont get the same exact age or even younger, you have to expect some chatter in that sport.


Why can't we just talk about the games
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/25/19 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't we just talk about the games



When you give a select group of children an advantage other children dont get the same exact age or even younger, you have to expect some chatter in that sport.


Why can't we just talk about the games



We are. It’s called Maryland Youth Lacrosse. “The Cheaters Game.”

Now. Let’s get right to it. What cheater team beat which cheater team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/27/19 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't we just talk about the games


When you give a select group of children an advantage other children dont get the same exact age or even younger, you have to expect some chatter in that sport.


Why can't we just talk about the games


We are. It’s called Maryland Youth Lacrosse. “The Cheaters Game.”

Now. Let’s get right to it. What cheater team beat which cheater team?


TEAM 91 - LONG ISLAND - "WOLFPACK"

#1 RANKING - 13U - IL MAGAZINE
#1 RANKING - GRAD YEAR 2024 - USCL

There you have it folks.

Whether you're talking real 7th-grade-age lacrosse, or cheater lacrosse with 8th-grade-age kids, and maybe a 9th-grade-age kid or two... Team 91 Wolfpack is the und1sputed #1 Ranked Team ANYWHERE.

And just like always, ZERO holdbacks!

How do they do it?

Still no holdbacks.

Still better than all of the cheater/2023-age teams.

Still the best team at 2024, after all these years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/27/19 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't we just talk about the games



When you give a select group of children an advantage other children dont get the same exact age or even younger, you have to expect some chatter in that sport.


Why can't we just talk about the games



We are. It’s called Maryland Youth Lacrosse. “The Cheaters Game.”

Now. Let’s get right to it. What cheater team beat which cheater team?






TEAM 91 - LONG ISLAND - "WOLFPACK"

#1 RANKING - 13U INSL MAGAZINE
#1 RANKING - GRAD YEAR 2024 - USCL

There you have it folks.

Whether you're talking real 7th-grade-age lacrosse, or cheater lacrosse with 8th-grade-age kids, and maybe a 9th-grade-age kid or two... Team 91 Wolfpack is the Und1sputed #1 Ranked Team ANYWHERE.

And just like always, ZERO holdbacks!

How do they do it?

Still no holdbacks.

Still better than all of the cheater/2023-age teams.

Still the best team at 2024, after all these years.




Can you imagine what MD teams would be like without all their holdbacks? First, that’s an absurd thought, since obviously as they exist today, there would be no teams, since no team can only play with 5 (on age) players. But let’s play along for the fun of it.

MD teams field teams that are 100% holdbacks, when playing LI teams. Just to be able to compete, MD has to have teams that are a year and occasionally two years older than their competition from LI. Take away all those older players, and what do every single MD HoCo team have in common? You’re all horrible lacrosse teams. You couldn’t compete with LI “C”teams.

So keep on cheating, and hoarding all of those holdbacks. But I suggest you start recruiting more of the double holdbacks, because the one year advantage is still not enough.

Cheat-on!


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/27/19 04:38 PM

Frank, you need to be more careful what you post. I am sure you wouldn't want people posting false, negative things about your boys. Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/27/19 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't we just talk about the games


When you give a select group of children an advantage other children dont get the same exact age or even younger, you have to expect some chatter in that sport.


Why can't we just talk about the games


Because he has a chip on his shoulder, and he won't let it go. He is spewing a lot of hate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/30/19 03:47 AM

That’s pretty funny. I guess we will see at Millons tourney who the best 2024 team is for real. Or wait, I forgot, is WP one of the teams too scared to come down and play? I guess we will see....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/30/19 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That’s pretty funny. I guess we will see at Millons tourney who the best 2024 team is for real. Or wait, I forgot, is WP one of the teams too scared to come down and play? I guess we will see....

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That’s pretty funny. I guess we will see at Millons tourney who the best 2024 team is for real. Or wait, I forgot, is WP one of the teams too scared to come down and play? I guess we will see....


Subpar cheater teams of 8th graders need to sit in 6 hours of traffic and come to us, if they want a shot at playing the indisputable #1 Ranked 7th grade team in the world (to include cheater 8th grade teams like Madlax). We don't waste our time driving to play fake-teams.

See you at the NLF, unless your coach decides to play down against the 2025's again. Probably a good plan, though. Worked last time. Hey, if you get caught, at least it won't hurt your reputation (it can't get any worse!!).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/31/19 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Frank, you need to be more careful what you post. I am sure you wouldn't want people posting false, negative things about your boys. Thanks.


Yo bro. Who’s Frank? I’m Sal from LI. You know, the guy with the IROC. A real beauty, too! Ponytail, tats, Gold chains and a car port. Remember?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/31/19 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Frank, you need to be more careful what you post. I am sure you wouldn't want people posting false, negative things about your boys. Thanks.


Yo bro. Who’s Frank? I’m Sal from LI. You know, the guy with the IROC. A real beauty, too! Ponytail, tats, Gold chains and a car port. Remember?




Frank is dad of two Taz boys. Sorry to disappoint. No IROC. No car port. No ponytail. In fact, no hair at all. Decent guy, but this website has brought out the worst in him. I am sure he never would have said the things that he did, if he had known he was going to get caught.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 05/31/19 02:15 PM

[/quote]
Sorry to disappoint. No IROC. No car port. No ponytail. In fact, no hair at all. Decent guy, but this website has brought out the worst in him. I am sure he never would have said the things that he did, if he had known he was going to get caught.[/quote]

Bro, I don't know no who that is, but I'm your guy, keeping it real on here. The voice of reason. And I got plenty of hair. Dude, Sal from the island. Remember??



Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/06/19 01:34 PM

Can’t wait to see the 2023-age cheater teams this weekend at the NLF. Noted, the biggest cheater team is in hiding and won’t be making the trip. Just as well. It would have been very embarrassing for all the cheater parents.

Quick question. Who has the most double holdbacks, of the cheater teams that will be in attendance? Guess I can figure that out this weekend.

See you Saturday cheaters!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/06/19 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't we just talk about the games



When you give a select group of children an advantage other children dont get the same exact age or even younger, you have to expect some chatter in that sport.


Why can't we just talk about the games



We are. It’s called Maryland Youth Lacrosse. “The Cheaters Game.”

Now. Let’s get right to it. What cheater team beat which cheater team?






TEAM 91 - LONG ISLAND - "WOLFPACK"

#1 RANKING - 13U INSL MAGAZINE
#1 RANKING - GRAD YEAR 2024 - USCL

There you have it folks.

Whether you're talking real 7th-grade-age lacrosse, or cheater lacrosse with 8th-grade-age kids, and maybe a 9th-grade-age kid or two... Team 91 Wolfpack is the Und1sputed #1 Ranked Team ANYWHERE.

And just like always, ZERO holdbacks!

How do they do it?

Still no holdbacks.

Still better than all of the cheater/2023-age teams.

Still the best team at 2024, after all these years.




Can you imagine what MD teams would be like without all their holdbacks? First, that’s an absurd thought, since obviously as they exist today, there would be no teams, since no team can only play with 5 (on age) players. But let’s play along for the fun of it.

MD teams field teams that are 100% holdbacks, when playing LI teams. Just to be able to compete, MD has to have teams that are a year and occasionally two years older than their competition from LI. Take away all those older players, and what do every single MD HoCo team have in common? You’re all horrible lacrosse teams. You couldn’t compete with LI “C”teams.

So keep on cheating, and hoarding all of those holdbacks. But I suggest you start recruiting more of the double holdbacks, because the one year advantage is still not enough.

Cheat-on!




Urban legend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/06/19 06:12 PM

Last I looked the NLF has a 2024 division. Again, if you want to play U13 ball, be our guest. Otherwise, find some older/bigger 7th graders. Either way, stop whining. 3 of the top 4 Maryland teams won't even be there. Hawks will definitely give your girls all that they can handle, but Bethesda has fallen off of a cliff so don't tell us after the fact that you beat up on them, and Crabs is pretty comparable to Primetime (e.g., not that good).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/06/19 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last I looked the NLF has a 2024 division. Again, if you want to play U13 ball, be our guest. Otherwise, find some older/bigger 7th graders. Either way, stop whining. 3 of the top 4 Maryland teams won't even be there. Hawks will definitely give your girls all that they can handle, but Bethesda has fallen off of a cliff so don't tell us after the fact that you beat up on them, and Crabs is pretty comparable to Primetime (e.g., not that good).
Hawks dont have a shot
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/06/19 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last I looked the NLF has a 2024 division. Again, if you want to play U13 ball, be our guest. Otherwise, find some older/bigger 7th graders. Either way, stop whining. 3 of the top 4 Maryland teams won't even be there. Hawks will definitely give your girls all that they can handle, but Bethesda has fallen off of a cliff so don't tell us after the fact that you beat up on them, and Crabs is pretty comparable to Primetime (e.g., not that good).
Hawks dont have a shot


when your girls are getting beat by the hawks this weekend just remember that hawks were fourth place in hoco this spring
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/06/19 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last I looked the NLF has a 2024 division. Again, if you want to play U13 ball, be our guest. Otherwise, find some older/bigger 7th graders. Either way, stop whining. 3 of the top 4 Maryland teams won't even be there. Hawks will definitely give your girls all that they can handle, but Bethesda has fallen off of a cliff so don't tell us after the fact that you beat up on them, and Crabs is pretty comparable to Primetime (e.g., not that good).


Thanks for the heads up on your 2023’s. I give them credit for showing up and taking their beating like men. More than I can say for the gutless Madlax holdbacks. Quick question. How old is the new Madlax marque holdback? You know, the one that played for the DC Dogs 2023 team until this year. Is this holdback year 2 for him?

~Sal from the Island
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/06/19 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last I looked the NLF has a 2024 division. Again, if you want to play U13 ball, be our guest. Otherwise, find some older/bigger 7th graders. Either way, stop whining. 3 of the top 4 Maryland teams won't even be there. Hawks will definitely give your girls all that they can handle, but Bethesda has fallen off of a cliff so don't tell us after the fact that you beat up on them, and Crabs is pretty comparable to Primetime (e.g., not that good).
Hawks dont have a shot


when your girls are getting beat by the hawks this weekend just remember that hawks were fourth place in hoco this spring


Thanks for the cheater update. Quick question. Why don’t your little ladies ever play on age? Kinda pathetic that they have to play down one and two years, just to. be able to compete with real lacrosse teams from the island. What do you think the problem is, as to why all your kids are so darn inferior? Is it just a confidence problem where they are scared to death of playing teams from the island? Does it make them feel like real players when they play far younger, smaller players? Or are they just substandard players who simply aren’t good enough to play with kids their own age? Kinda sad, right?

Either way, cheat-on, cheaters!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/06/19 08:43 PM

What happens when 12 and 13 year olds play 13, 14 and 15 year olds from MD?

Who you got? Talent or size/age??

I’ll go with “talent”.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/06/19 11:01 PM

Guys from the Island,
It's a 2024 grad year division and a 2024 grad year forum. If you want to talk about ages and holdbacks and come up with excuse after excuse, go for it (or just play soccer, where it's all about birthdates). If you saw Madlax play this spring, you'd realize that the kid who played for DC Dogs last year isn't even the best player on the team (or probably even the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best). And the frightening part about him is that he's on age. Just take a look at his dad on the sideline this summer. Oh, and wait until next year, when #24 from last year (who's playing up for the Dogs this year even though he's in 7th grade) is on their first line. Will be even more for your girls to be scared of then.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/07/19 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guys from the Island,
It's a 2024 grad year division and a 2024 grad year forum. If you want to talk about ages and holdbacks and come up with excuse after excuse, go for it (or just play soccer, where it's all about birthdates). If you saw Madlax play this spring, you'd realize that the kid who played for DC Dogs last year isn't even the best player on the team (or probably even the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best). And the frightening part about him is that he's on age. Just take a look at his dad on the sideline this summer. Oh, and wait until next year, when #24 from last year (who's playing up for the Dogs this year even though he's in 7th grade) is on their first line. Will be even more for your girls to be scared of then.



Love how the Madlax parents trash their own players. The DCDogs 23 holdback kid, basically stinks?! I’m sure his parents will love hearing that, from one of their own. But I must say, everything that I know about your club, sadly that is to be expected.

And, yeah, I’m sure the kid who played for ‘23’s until this year, isnt a holdback! Yeah right! In MD where basically every player is a holdback, this 6’ 170 lb 2023 player is not a holdback? Ok. He’s 12 years old! Hahahaha. Funny, because your previous marque holdback #24 says that he is one of seven new holdbacks this year, which were brought aboard to help fill the void left by his leaving and playing on age with the 2023’s.

That’s right. Your #24 man-child admits to being a holdback, admits that the DCDogs ‘23 player is a holdback, along with 6 additional holdbacks, just this year alone. Yup. The LI kids are pretty chummy with your boys on social media. We get ALL the inside scoop, straight from YOUR players. There isnt an on age player on Madlax that touches the turf!!!

Which leads me back to the same old question, why are your players so inferior that they have to play down one year, or more, just to be able to compete with teams from the island? I gotta be honest, i’d Seriously be embarrassed if my kid played on a team that only played down, just to hopefully be able to win a few youth lacrosse games that absolutely nobody cares about.

On the island, our kids play up when possible to challenge them. Never ever considered having my kid play down. Why would I? How can playing younger, smaller, less experienced kids help his development? If playing down seemed like a good option for his development, I’d say he needs to find a new sport, because there obviously wouldn’t be much of s future for him in lacrosse!

Which is exactly the reason why Madlax and the other cheater teams aren’t nearly as good as they should be, fielding teams that are a year older than their LI competition. They recruit holdbacks. They horde holdbacks. They play almost exclusively HOLDBACKS. These holdbacks are not top tier talent. Far from it. Most of their holdbacks are subpar players that couldn’t get any playing time with kids their own age. The great majority are subpar athletes. Once the size advantage goes away, they will be riding the pines the rest of their lacrosse careers.

Simply, you don’t have the best players playing. You have the oldest, and biggest and strongest players playing. But no where close to the best players or athletes. I highly doubt that any subjective, reasonable mind would ever argue this. It’s posted on here all the time. LI teams have the talent, while MD teams have the size (hope so, they are a year+ older).

So, there you have it Madlax cheater dad. The reason why LI teams have the best lacrosse on the globe. We develop our players. MD cheats with older players. A plan that backfired on them.

Serves you right. Don’t you know, cheaters never prosper!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/07/19 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Guys from the Island,
It's a 2024 grad year division and a 2024 grad year forum. If you want to talk about ages and holdbacks and come up with excuse after excuse, go for it (or just play soccer, where it's all about birthdates). If you saw Madlax play this spring, you'd realize that the kid who played for DC Dogs last year isn't even the best player on the team (or probably even the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best). And the frightening part about him is that he's on age. Just take a look at his dad on the sideline this summer. Oh, and wait until next year, when #24 from last year (who's playing up for the Dogs this year even though he's in 7th grade) is on their first line. Will be even more for your girls to be scared of then.



Love how the Madlax parents trash their own players. The DCDogs 23 holdback kid, basically stinks?! I’m sure his parents will love hearing that, from one of their own. But I must say, everything that I know about your club, sadly that is to be expected.

And, yeah, I’m sure the kid who played for ‘23’s until this year, isnt a holdback! Yeah right! In MD where basically every player is a holdback, this 6’ 170 lb 2023 player is not a holdback? Ok. He’s 12 years old! Hahahaha. Funny, because your previous marque holdback #24 says that he is one of seven new holdbacks this year, which were brought aboard to help fill the void left by his leaving and playing on age with the 2023’s.

That’s right. Your #24 man-child admits to being a holdback, admits that the DCDogs ‘23 player is a holdback, along with 6 additional holdbacks, just this year alone. Yup. The LI kids are pretty chummy with your boys on social media. We get ALL the inside scoop, straight from YOUR players. There isnt an on age player on Madlax that touches the turf!!!

Which leads me back to the same old question, why are your players so inferior that they have to play down one year, or more, just to be able to compete with teams from the island? I gotta be honest, i’d Seriously be embarrassed if my kid played on a team that only played down, just to hopefully be able to win a few youth lacrosse games that absolutely nobody cares about.

On the island, our kids play up when possible to challenge them. Never ever considered having my kid play down. Why would I? How can playing younger, smaller, less experienced kids help his development? If playing down seemed like a good option for his development, I’d say he needs to find a new sport, because there obviously wouldn’t be much of s future for him in lacrosse!

Which is exactly the reason why Madlax and the other cheater teams aren’t nearly as good as they should be, fielding teams that are a year older than their LI competition. They recruit holdbacks. They horde holdbacks. They play almost exclusively HOLDBACKS. These holdbacks are not top tier talent. Far from it. Most of their holdbacks are subpar players that couldn’t get any playing time with kids their own age. The great majority are subpar athletes. Once the size advantage goes away, they will be riding the pines the rest of their lacrosse careers.

Simply, you don’t have the best players playing. You have the oldest, and biggest and strongest players playing. But no where close to the best players or athletes. I highly doubt that any subjective, reasonable mind would ever argue this. It’s posted on here all the time. LI teams have the talent, while MD teams have the size (hope so, they are a year+ older).

So, there you have it Madlax cheater dad. The reason why LI teams have the best lacrosse on the globe. We develop our players. MD cheats with older players. A plan that backfired on them.

Serves you right. Don’t you know, cheaters never prosper!


[/quot

My God this is dumb and it must have been exhausting to write. LI players are great. So are MD players (See Patrick Spencer, Ryan Conrad,Joey Epstein (MLax), etc. . Celebrate the good players, good teams and stop acting like a BadPerson.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/07/19 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last I looked the NLF has a 2024 division. Again, if you want to play U13 ball, be our guest. Otherwise, find some older/bigger 7th graders. Either way, stop whining. 3 of the top 4 Maryland teams won't even be there. Hawks will definitely give your girls all that they can handle, but Bethesda has fallen off of a cliff so don't tell us after the fact that you beat up on them, and Crabs is pretty comparable to Primetime (e.g., not that good).
Hawks dont have a shot


they won it last year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/07/19 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last I looked the NLF has a 2024 division. Again, if you want to play U13 ball, be our guest. Otherwise, find some older/bigger 7th graders. Either way, stop whining. 3 of the top 4 Maryland teams won't even be there. Hawks will definitely give your girls all that they can handle, but Bethesda has fallen off of a cliff so don't tell us after the fact that you beat up on them, and Crabs is pretty comparable to Primetime (e.g., not that good).
Hawks dont have a shot


they won it last year


^^^😂
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/07/19 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Guys from the Island,
It's a 2024 grad year division and a 2024 grad year forum. If you want to talk about ages and holdbacks and come up with excuse after excuse, go for it (or just play soccer, where it's all about birthdates). If you saw Madlax play this spring, you'd realize that the kid who played for DC Dogs last year isn't even the best player on the team (or probably even the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best). And the frightening part about him is that he's on age. Just take a look at his dad on the sideline this summer. Oh, and wait until next year, when #24 from last year (who's playing up for the Dogs this year even though he's in 7th grade) is on their first line. Will be even more for your girls to be scared of then.



Love how the Madlax parents trash their own players. The DCDogs 23 holdback kid, basically stinks?! I’m sure his parents will love hearing that, from one of their own. But I must say, everything that I know about your club, sadly that is to be expected.

And, yeah, I’m sure the kid who played for ‘23’s until this year, isnt a holdback! Yeah right! In MD where basically every player is a holdback, this 6’ 170 lb 2023 player is not a holdback? Ok. He’s 12 years old! Hahahaha. Funny, because your previous marque holdback #24 says that he is one of seven new holdbacks this year, which were brought aboard to help fill the void left by his leaving and playing on age with the 2023’s.

That’s right. Your #24 man-child admits to being a holdback, admits that the DCDogs ‘23 player is a holdback, along with 6 additional holdbacks, just this year alone. Yup. The LI kids are pretty chummy with your boys on social media. We get ALL the inside scoop, straight from YOUR players. There isnt an on age player on Madlax that touches the turf!!!

Which leads me back to the same old question, why are your players so inferior that they have to play down one year, or more, just to be able to compete with teams from the island? I gotta be honest, i’d Seriously be embarrassed if my kid played on a team that only played down, just to hopefully be able to win a few youth lacrosse games that absolutely nobody cares about.

On the island, our kids play up when possible to challenge them. Never ever considered having my kid play down. Why would I? How can playing younger, smaller, less experienced kids help his development? If playing down seemed like a good option for his development, I’d say he needs to find a new sport, because there obviously wouldn’t be much of s future for him in lacrosse!

Which is exactly the reason why Madlax and the other cheater teams aren’t nearly as good as they should be, fielding teams that are a year older than their LI competition. They recruit holdbacks. They horde holdbacks. They play almost exclusively HOLDBACKS. These holdbacks are not top tier talent. Far from it. Most of their holdbacks are subpar players that couldn’t get any playing time with kids their own age. The great majority are subpar athletes. Once the size advantage goes away, they will be riding the pines the rest of their lacrosse careers.

Simply, you don’t have the best players playing. You have the oldest, and biggest and strongest players playing. But no where close to the best players or athletes. I highly doubt that any subjective, reasonable mind would ever argue this. It’s posted on here all the time. LI teams have the talent, while MD teams have the size (hope so, they are a year+ older).

So, there you have it Madlax cheater dad. The reason why LI teams have the best lacrosse on the globe. We develop our players. MD cheats with older players. A plan that backfired on them.

Serves you right. Don’t you know, cheaters never prosper!


[/quot

My God this is dumb and it must have been exhausting to write. LI players are great. So are MD players (See Patrick Spencer, Ryan Conrad,Joey Epstein (MLax), etc. . Celebrate the good players, good teams and stop acting like a BadPerson.


You know what’s exhausting? The amount of time and effort that the cheater teams put in to feed their obsession of amassing cheater holdbacks, to win a few meaningless youth lacrosse games, at the expense of developing their true talent. That’s why your 2023-age teams are substandard and most still can’t compete with island teams a year or two younger. Your cheating obsession has got all of MD youth lacrosse in a total brain fog. That must be really exhausting!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/07/19 01:26 PM

Let's go through a couple of things here to try and get everyone on the same page:

"There isnt an on age player on Madlax that touches the turf!!!"

This is a blatantly false statement which makes all of your other claims subject to question. How do I know, because I have an on age player on that team who sees the turf a lot.

"Which leads me back to the same old question, why are your players so inferior that they have to play down one year, or more, just to be able to compete with teams from the island? I gotta be honest, i’d Seriously be embarrassed if my kid played on a team that only played down, just to hopefully be able to win a few youth lacrosse games that absolutely nobody cares about. "

This is based on a two completely false underlying assumptions: 1) That anyone outside of LI cares about LI lacrosse or competing with LI teams, we don't and sorry to say what is happening here and around the country has nothing to do with LI. 2) That we care about winning a few youth lacrosse games. What is happening with grade based/holdbacks has nothing to do with winning 2024 lacrosse games, it is about access to some of the best high schools and then colleges. LI folk seem to project their psychotic devotion and infatuation with youth lacrosse (take a stroll through their board for 5 minutes) to everyone else. By the way your whole post is based on caring about winning a few youth lacrosse games so at least have some logical consistency with your statements.

"So, there you have it Madlax cheater dad. The reason why LI teams have the best lacrosse on the globe. We develop our players. MD cheats with older players. A plan that backfired on them."

How has this plan backfired? Please provide any data to show how it has backfired or that MD does not develop its' players. I would be very interested to see how you come to this conclusion. I am sorry to inform you that having holdbacks and developing players are not mutually exclusive. Taking a stroll through the top DI programs in the country you would assume 80% of the team would be from LI if what you say is true but sadly once again verifiable facts get in the way of your narrative. From a sampling of the teams that made the tournament this year the average age of the players when coming in as Freshman was roughly 18.9 and 70% were holdabcks or holdbacks as defined by LI people. Even a look at the top 25 high school teams proves you wrong.

"Serves you right. Don’t you know, cheaters never prosper!"

For the love of god can you please at least use basic English words correctly, playing by the rules that govern the sport is not cheating no matter how badly you want to think it is. The ad nauseam use of "cheating" and "cheater" once again shows how weak your arguments are and simply makes you look ignorant. Finally, if you are citing social media as a source for information you are truly grasping to keep your false narrative alive.

If you want to debate age based vs. grade based awesome, let's go at it, let's use facts that can be verified. Funny enough I probably 100% agree with you on this issue but you continue to use incorrect facts and ad hominem attacks so your points become meaningless drivel to anyone reading.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/09/19 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last I looked the NLF has a 2024 division. Again, if you want to play U13 ball, be our guest. Otherwise, find some older/bigger 7th graders. Either way, stop whining. 3 of the top 4 Maryland teams won't even be there. Hawks will definitely give your girls all that they can handle, but Bethesda has fallen off of a cliff so don't tell us after the fact that you beat up on them, and Crabs is pretty comparable to Primetime (e.g., not that good).

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last I looked the NLF has a 2024 division. Again, if you want to play U13 ball, be our guest. Otherwise, find some older/bigger 7th graders. Either way, stop whining. 3 of the top 4 Maryland teams won't even be there. Hawks will definitely give your girls all that they can handle, but Bethesda has fallen off of a cliff so don't tell us after the fact that you beat up on them, and Crabs is pretty comparable to Primetime (e.g., not that good).



Yooo hooo!

The cheater Hawks team will give us “all that we can handle”???

You grossly underestimate the talent of the undisputed best team in all of 2024.

#1 Ranked 13U team and
#1 Ranked 2024 team (to include all of your MD cheater teams). BTW, did I mention that the team is 100% on age players of which the great majority are still only 12 years old?

Yup. Our twelve year olds dominated your “top MD team” of 6’+ should-be-high-school-kids right from the opening whistle. Not a competitive game in the least. “All that we can handle”?? LMAO!

Guess we won’t be needing any of those cheater older, bigger kids to beat up on the top HoCo MD holdback teams, as you suggested. No need for that, OBVIOUSLY!

Nope. We’ll just play with our highly skilled, five foot 12 year olds, and keep beating up on the 2024 bracket this summer. You can keep your underskilled, over sized holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 03:42 AM

Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.


No dog in the fight, but what was the score of the last Madlax/Hawks game?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.


Tourney is run by the NLF, not 91. Most teams at the tourney were members of the NLF.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.


No dog in the fight, but what was the score of the last Madlax/Hawks game?




I don't remember, but it was pretty close.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.


Tourney is run by the NLF, not 91. Most teams at the tourney were members of the NLF.



Stop with the excuses. The Pack played the second best team in the tourney, right before they played the Hawks in the championship. And, yes, they blew them out too. FYI: Excuses only work if the game is relatively close, of which that game was not. Can't blame this on on the refs, or the organizers or the weather. Hawks were beaten down by a far superior team, in every aspect of the game. From offense, to defense, to goalie play to face-offs. End of conversation.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 02:18 PM

Go back to MD.. You got smoked by a much better lacrosse team. 7-3 brah whats there to talk about?? Traffic on I95 on a Summer Sunday. That stings
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 03:23 PM

Final was 8-3.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.


Tourney is run by the NLF, not 91. Most teams at the tourney were members of the NLF.



Stop with the excuses. The Pack played the second best team in the tourney, right before they played the Hawks in the championship. And, yes, they blew them out too. FYI: Excuses only work if the game is relatively close, of which that game was not. Can't blame this on on the refs, or the organizers or the weather. Hawks were beaten down by a far superior team, in every aspect of the game. From offense, to defense, to goalie play to face-offs. End of conversation.

they played ecilpse before the Hawks , or are you talking about all the B teams they played on saturday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.


Tourney is run by the NLF, not 91. Most teams at the tourney were members of the NLF.



Stop with the excuses. The Pack played the second best team in the tourney, right before they played the Hawks in the championship. And, yes, they blew them out too. FYI: Excuses only work if the game is relatively close, of which that game was not. Can't blame this on on the refs, or the organizers or the weather. Hawks were beaten down by a far superior team, in every aspect of the game. From offense, to defense, to goalie play to face-offs. End of conversation.




Any other cheater teams want a crack at the champs?

"Float like a butterfly... sting like a bee!" ~Mohammad Ali
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/10/19 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.


No dog in the fight, but what was the score of the last Madlax/Hawks game?




I don't remember, but it was pretty close.




Of course it was. I'll bet it was real close. I have no doubt it was a double over timer, edge of your set, nail biter of a game! Really exciting stuff!!

Guess what? That wasn't the WP/Hawks game. No, indeed not. That was a real yawner. A completely different level of lacrosse.

So if Madlax struggles with the Hawks, dude your boys high-school-age team DOES NOT want to play against the little Pack squad. No, no, no. You definitely DO NO want that! The shame of getting a beat down by that little on-age Pack team... well, you get the idea.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.


No dog in the fight, but what was the score of the last Madlax/Hawks game?




I don't remember, but it was pretty close.




Of course it was. I'll bet it was real close. I have no doubt it was a double over timer, edge of your set, nail biter of a game! Really exciting stuff!!

Guess what? That wasn't the WP/Hawks game. No, indeed not. That was a real yawner. A completely different level of lacrosse.

So if Madlax struggles with the Hawks, dude your boys high-school-age team DOES NOT want to play against the little Pack squad. No, no, no. You definitely DO NO want that! The shame of getting a beat down by that little on-age Pack team... well, you get the idea.










Hawks finished 4th in MD hoco spring. Dont get all excited.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Final was 8-3.


I know. Tourney Machine get's it wrong all the time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 02:12 AM

I'm curious. Where did our lacrosse expert from MD go? You know, the guy that get's on here spewing his "facts" about how on-age 91 Wolfpack won't be able to compete with his top Hoco cheater teams from MD, without adding gobs of biggie holdbacks to the little Wolfpack team.

How you feel'n about those "facts" now, know-nothing holdback-cheater-dad??

COME OUT, COME OUT, WHERE EVER YOU ARE....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guys from the Island,
It's a 2024 grad year division and a 2024 grad year forum. If you want to talk about ages and holdbacks and come up with excuse after excuse, go for it (or just play soccer, where it's all about birthdates). If you saw Madlax play this spring, you'd realize that the kid who played for DC Dogs last year isn't even the best player on the team (or probably even the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best). And the frightening part about him is that he's on age. Just take a look at his dad on the sideline this summer. Oh, and wait until next year, when #24 from last year (who's playing up for the Dogs this year even though he's in 7th grade) is on their first line. Will be even more for your girls to be scared of then.



Love how the Madlax parents trash their own players. The DCDogs 23 holdback kid, basically stinks?! I’m sure his parents will love hearing that, from one of their own. But I must say, everything that I know about your club, sadly that is to be expected.

And, yeah, I’m sure the kid who played for ‘23’s until this year, isnt a holdback! Yeah right! In MD where basically every player is a holdback, this 6’ 170 lb 2023 player is not a holdback? Ok. He’s 12 years old! Hahahaha. Funny, because your previous marque holdback #24 says that he is one of seven new holdbacks this year, which were brought aboard to help fill the void left by his leaving and playing on age with the 2023’s.

That’s right. Your #24 man-child admits to being a holdback, admits that the DCDogs ‘23 player is a holdback, along with 6 additional holdbacks, just this year alone. Yup. The LI kids are pretty chummy with your boys on social media. We get ALL the inside scoop, straight from YOUR players. There isnt an on age player on Madlax that touches the turf!!!

Which leads me back to the same old question, why are your players so inferior that they have to play down one year, or more, just to be able to compete with teams from the island? I gotta be honest, i’d Seriously be embarrassed if my kid played on a team that only played down, just to hopefully be able to win a few youth lacrosse games that absolutely nobody cares about.

On the island, our kids play up when possible to challenge them. Never ever considered having my kid play down. Why would I? How can playing younger, smaller, less experienced kids help his development? If playing down seemed like a good option for his development, I’d say he needs to find a new sport, because there obviously wouldn’t be much of s future for him in lacrosse!

Which is exactly the reason why Madlax and the other cheater teams aren’t nearly as good as they should be, fielding teams that are a year older than their LI competition. They recruit holdbacks. They horde holdbacks. They play almost exclusively HOLDBACKS. These holdbacks are not top tier talent. Far from it. Most of their holdbacks are subpar players that couldn’t get any playing time with kids their own age. The great majority are subpar athletes. Once the size advantage goes away, they will be riding the pines the rest of their lacrosse careers.

Simply, you don’t have the best players playing. You have the oldest, and biggest and strongest players playing. But no where close to the best players or athletes. I highly doubt that any subjective, reasonable mind would ever argue this. It’s posted on here all the time. LI teams have the talent, while MD teams have the size (hope so, they are a year+ older).

So, there you have it Madlax cheater dad. The reason why LI teams have the best lacrosse on the globe. We develop our players. MD cheats with older players. A plan that backfired on them.

Serves you right. Don’t you know, cheaters never prosper!




Another perfect example of this, this past weekend...

"Simply, you don’t have the best players playing. You have the oldest, and biggest and strongest players playing. But no where close to the best players or athletes. I highly doubt that any subjective, reasonable mind would ever argue this."

News flash. Bigger does not = better.

Bigger = bigger.
Better = better.

Your MD holdback team this past weekend was yet another perfect example of this. I've never seen a larger 7th grade team than the Hawks. That team is high school "man-sized". I mean super-sized! Yet, to a player, they were subpar in every category... skill, speed, quickness, power and IQ. I apologize for the honesty. Just pointing out the obvious.

MD teams need to focus on real talented players, and not just size and age. If you've got little five foot 12 year olds beating up on your 14 and 15 year olds, what you are doing aint working.

Good luck to all of the parents of on age talented MD players. You're always welcome should you decide to move to the Island. We'll find a spot for your talented on-age boy on the Pack. You'll have more fun anyway! It's more fun winning with integrity!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like how you guys setup the schedule for your own tourney. I’m sure it was a coincidence that the Hawks played their toughest game of the tourney on Sunday early morning, then played the same tough team again in the semis and then had a third game on Sunday against the pack in the finals. Interestingly enough WP played all four of their easy games on Saturday which means they only played 1 semifinal game before playing the hawks in the final. Hmmm, I’m sure that was by accident, definitely. Having seen both WP and madlax play now, it will
obviously be a great matchup but I don’t think the pack will ultimately be able to handle madlax. They’re just at another level compared to the rest of the country and way too deep. Hopefully they play each other at some point this summer.


No dog in the fight, but what was the score of the last Madlax/Hawks game?




I don't remember, but it was pretty close.




Of course it was. I'll bet it was real close. I have no doubt it was a double over timer, edge of your set, nail biter of a game! Really exciting stuff!!

Guess what? That wasn't the WP/Hawks game. No, indeed not. That was a real yawner. A completely different level of lacrosse.

So if Madlax struggles with the Hawks, dude your boys high-school-age team DOES NOT want to play against the little Pack squad. No, no, no. You definitely DO NO want that! The shame of getting a beat down by that little on-age Pack team... well, you get the idea.










Hawks finished 4th in MD hoco spring. Dont get all excited.


Correct And the games were so close, the bounce of a ball here, or a whistle there, and the Hawks are the #1 team in the Hoco league, and Madlax is #4 (or worse)!

All of your (dare I say) top 10 hoco teams are interchangeable each week, from who wins and who loses, according to the weekly report on the MD thread. They are all on the exact same level, again, as documented on BOTC each week.

Trust me, the Pack aint interchangeable with anyone! There are no equals for the Pack. Just pray that your sons little cheater-holdback team never plays the on-age Pack team again, because it will be the beat down to end all beat downs.

"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!" ~Muhammad Ali
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 03:47 PM

If my memory serves me correct, Madlax has lost one game in the past year, to LI Express in the final of the NLF. I don't think WP made the semis of that tournament, or did they? Would love to see WP play Madlax, Hawks, Team 91, and Next Level in full time regulation games over the course of 4 straight weeks. If they could run that gauntlet, then good for them. My money says probably not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my memory serves me correct, Madlax has lost one game in the past year, to LI Express in the final of the NLF. I don't think WP made the semis of that tournament, or did they? Would love to see WP play Madlax, Hawks, Team 91, and Next Level in full time regulation games over the course of 4 straight weeks. If they could run that gauntlet, then good for them. My money says probably not.


Bro, why are you talking about a year ago? That was a life time ago. Since then, Madlax has added seven additional holdbacks. Wolfpack has added players as well (but not holdbacks, of course). Last year is completely inconsequential for both teams. Understand?? Good.

For starters, take the Hawks off the table. They are an abysmal team. Absolutely gigantic, but atrocious lacrosse players. Trust me, the Pack won't be wasting any time going down that road again, any time soon. By all accounts (on the BOTC MD thread), all of your little cheater teams are comparable, trading victories and losses each week in your little hoco cheater league. If your top teams, can't completely demolish a team like the Hawks (which they can't!), the Pack has no use for them. Sorry to be so blunt, but those are the facts. We'll continue to play in the 2023 "A" bracket, in search of actual competition.

~Parent of the #1 RANKED TEAM IN THE WORLD - Inside Lacrosse Magazine/US Club Lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my memory serves me correct, Madlax has lost one game in the past year, to LI Express in the final of the NLF. I don't think WP made the semis of that tournament, or did they? Would love to see WP play Madlax, Hawks, Team 91, and Next Level in full time regulation games over the course of 4 straight weeks. If they could run that gauntlet, then good for them. My money says probably not.



My money says you weren't at the Hawks beat down on Sunday. You couldn't have been there and make a statement that implies that you want these two teams to play again. Those two teams should never play against each other ever again. It was like an AA team playing a C team. Absolutely shameful to take a beating like that, by a team that averages over 6' tall. By far the largest team I have ever seen play 7th grade lacrosse. Cheat your Meanyoff and get your butt kicked by a bunch of on age midgets. Beyond embarrassing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 07:38 PM

What about "smoker mom"...the one who yells "Wooooolfpack" constantly from the sideline? Does she still have a kid on the team? Kind of sums you guys up perfectly. Can't wait to see that look on ESPN.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What about "smoker mom"...the one who yells "Wooooolfpack" constantly from the sideline? Does she still have a kid on the team? Kind of sums you guys up perfectly. Can't wait to see that look on ESPN.

hahah !!! good one. i will say they are the favorite to win. RANK # 1.. IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my memory serves me correct, Madlax has lost one game in the past year, to LI Express in the final of the NLF. I don't think WP made the semis of that tournament, or did they? Would love to see WP play Madlax, Hawks, Team 91, and Next Level in full time regulation games over the course of 4 straight weeks. If they could run that gauntlet, then good for them. My money says probably not.


Bro, why are you talking about a year ago? That was a life time ago. Since then, Madlax has added seven additional holdbacks. Wolfpack has added players as well (but not holdbacks, of course). Last year is completely inconsequential for both teams. Understand?? Good.

For starters, take the Hawks off the table. They are an abysmal team. Absolutely gigantic, but atrocious lacrosse players. Trust me, the Pack won't be wasting any time going down that road again, any time soon. By all accounts (on the BOTC MD thread), all of your little cheater teams are comparable, trading victories and losses each week in your little hoco cheater league. If your top teams, can't completely demolish a team like the Hawks (which they can't!), the Pack has no use for them. Sorry to be so blunt, but those are the facts. We'll continue to play in the 2023 "A" bracket, in search of actual competition.

~Parent of the #1 RANKED TEAM IN THE WORLD - Inside Lacrosse Magazine/US Club Lacrosse






Can you even imagine the horror show of being on a team with a parent like this. Assume this guy/gal is representative of the typical WP parent. LI board, MD board, denigrating every other team other than WP and spewing false statements (seven holdback additions, false; "teams are comparable", false; cheaters, false). Apparently there are only 18-20 good lacrosse players on the planet and everyone else should just give up. Well done on representing that #1 ranking with grace and dignity. It is very odd that people from a team that is ranked #1 have to spend so much time defending the ranking, knocking other programs, calling people cheaters, etc.

Madlax has lost zero games since the start of the lacrosse year in the Fall, zero. Will they lose this summer, maybe. There are lots of great clubs and kids out there and looking forward to some good games. End of the day, win or lose, who really cares as long as the kids have fun and continue to develop. You live in some dream world where you are the guardian of 2024 lacrosse and that 7th grade lacrosse has any meaning past the short term (24 hours after a game). You rant about the evils of MD lacrosse and we laugh at you because you are just as bad. MD parents don't make the rules under which we play but you do control your actions as an adult which are as much to blame for what is wrong with youth lacrosse (abhorrent behavior in the stands and on the sidelines, constant bragging, constant lies, constant knocking of 7th grade kids, etc.). And so not to rile everyone on LI up this behavior is seen across all regions. It is all more than a little pathetic and a sad commentary on the state of youth sports. So please enough with the holier than thou attitude, no one is buying it.

Let me save you the time of a response because I know you are incapable of coming up with anything novel.

"Cheater cheater, holdback, holdback, we are #1, we are #1, the lacrosse gods ranked us #1, you stink, you stink." Does that about cover it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 09:41 PM

My son is on age and plays a lot. And, he routinely schools your boys. So, there goes that theory. If you really have a problem why don't you come over to our tent and discuss it like a real man? I'm sure the answer is that you don't want your son to be embarrassed when you get school like he does on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is on age and plays a lot. And, he routinely schools your boys. So, there goes that theory. If you really have a problem why don't you come over to our tent and discuss it like a real man? I'm sure the answer is that you don't want your son to be embarrassed when you get school like he does on the field.


To tell you the truth, no Pack parent would be caught dead associating with any Madlax cheater trash.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is on age and plays a lot. And, he routinely schools your boys. So, there goes that theory. If you really have a problem why don't you come over to our tent and discuss it like a real man? I'm sure the answer is that you don't want your son to be embarrassed when you get school like he does on the field.


And what you say must be true, right? Listen up holdback cheater dad. You lied for years about having ANY holdbacks. Years and years and years and years you lived the Madlax lie of having NO holdbacks. Bro, after all of the years of blatant lies, trust me you have noooooo credibility. None! You are a liar. Your kid is a holdback. All of his team mates are holdbacks. Madlax has more holdbacks than any MD team, as documented numerous times on this very thread. You are the vermine of youth sports. Enough said?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is on age and plays a lot. And, he routinely schools your boys. So, there goes that theory. If you really have a problem why don't you come over to our tent and discuss it like a real man? I'm sure the answer is that you don't want your son to be embarrassed when you get school like he does on the field.


To tell you the truth, no Pack parent would be caught dead associating with any Madlax cheater trash.



And to tell you the truth no Madlax parent would be caught dead associating with any person, lying Pack trash.

Wow isn't this fun and informative :-)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/11/19 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is on age and plays a lot. And, he routinely schools your boys. So, there goes that theory. If you really have a problem why don't you come over to our tent and discuss it like a real man? I'm sure the answer is that you don't want your son to be embarrassed when you get school like he does on the field.


And what you say must be true, right? Listen up holdback cheater dad. You lied for years about having ANY holdbacks. Years and years and years and years you lived the Madlax lie of having NO holdbacks. Bro, after all of the years of blatant lies, trust me you have noooooo credibility. None! You are a liar. Your kid is a holdback. All of his team mates are holdbacks. Madlax has more holdbacks than any MD team, as documented numerous times on this very thread. You are the vermine of youth sports. Enough said?



Copy paste repeat, copy paste repeat. I am from LI and will continue to lie repeatedly and somehow take the high ground. At least come up with something new, just one thing. Even better stay on the LI board where perhaps someone might care about what you say but I doubt even that. Or perhaps step up and at least answer one very simple question, why do you care so much about MD lacrosse? Since no one has answered that question yet after being asked multiple times I will tell you why. Because at the heart of it you are actually offended by the fact that a parent on another team might believe or even know their son or the team he plays for is good at lacrosse. Sadly this is not just limited to MD teams, you hate every other team, as documented numerous times on the LI board. What a sad and pathetic way to go through life. Here is a reality, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of kids who are very good at lacrosse, maybe even as good if not better than little johnny LI (proof of that, check out a college roster or top high school rankings).

I am man enough to say WP is the #1 ranked team and that LI as a region probably has the highest concentration of good lacrosse players. Good for the kids (in spite of the horror show parents), job well done. The thing is I am also man enough to realize that there are a ton of great teams and players out there, many of whom are better than my kid. I am also man enough to not knock other teams and kids to somehow make myself feel better. Sadly that does not appear to be true for you and I actually feel sorry for you and any team that you are associated with.

So keep on hating, hate MD lacrosse, hate other LI lacrosse teams because "baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake it off, I shake it off…"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/13/19 03:18 AM

Thought I answered your question many many times before, but maybe not. Why do I care so much about MD lacrosse? Because it completely blows my mind that an entire state of youth teams can be so corrupt. Really. Blows my mind about the extent to which all your teams cheat. Not just Madlax or other known documented low integrity teams, but all of the teams in the HoCo league. Based on numbers every team should probably have one holdback. Two holdbacks would be a lot, based on the number of holdbacks exist in any typical grade. So I give any team a pass for having one or two holdbacks. But when teams start hoarding them, and have four to six, just to win a few youth lacrosse games, then you have crossed the line in my book. When I learned that basically every MD team has 15+, holdbacks, that blew a gasket in my brain. I’m not going to get into all of the reasons why that’s so bad, because I’ve already posted it many times on here, but the biggest reason has nothing to do with me. It doesn’t affect me. If I cared so much about winning a few youth games, which I don’t, it wouldn't matter anyway since my kids team has been beating all of the MD holdback cheaters since day one. So why should I care. Because it is just so wrong on so many levels, none more important than what you are doing to your own on age kids, who never get the development that they deserve. Another stark example of that was this past weekend when a team full of high school kids came to LI to play a bunch of 12 year olds. Yes. The Hawks were basically all huge holdbacks, save a couple. Has to be the biggest 7th grade team in the history of 7th graders. Yet not one of those players were what I would classify as top players. None. I guarantee there were a couple of on age kids on that team, with more talent, that never stepped on the field. If there wasn’t, then shame on the coaches. Another perfect example of a MD holdback team that only recruits size and age, at the expense of real, athletic, on age MD players. There you have it. If you don’t see the absurdness in your corrupt lacrosse world, then it’s even worse than I thought. MD lacrosse is just one huge hot mess. It’s very difficult to comprehend what you people are allowing to happen to lacrosse in MD. Seriously, if you don’t see the insanity of it all, you should be concerned.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/13/19 02:57 PM

If you only watched the Hawks play once all weekend, then you missed a good team with very good players. The Eclipse and Hawks game was a great semi-final. The Hawks are ON AGE 12-13 year olds. STOP MAKING STUFF UP. There is only ONE player which could maybe be called what you say is a "holdback". Don't make things up and bash a team that you watched once while they were playing their 4th game of the day against a rested Long Island 91 team that was playing its 3rd game. Great way to line up a tournament by the way. The Hawks lost that game at the face off X, and hardly had possession. 91's FO guy was as big as any kid on the Hawks. You beat a completely gassed Hawks team, congrats, good luck at the U-13 Jake Steinfeld Bowl in Denver.

You can bash MD lax all you want, but DONT lie and make things up about a team you know absolutely nothing about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/13/19 03:01 PM

. Another stark example of that was this past weekend when a team full of high school kids came to LI to play a bunch of 12 year olds. Yes. The Hawks were basically all huge holdbacks, save a couple. Has to be the biggest 7th grade team in the history of 7th graders. [/quote]

You are uninformed, few holdbacks and not even the biggest team at the tournament much less in the entire history oh 7th grade lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/13/19 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
. Another stark example of that was this past weekend when a team full of high school kids came to LI to play a bunch of 12 year olds. Yes. The Hawks were basically all huge holdbacks, save a couple. Has to be the biggest 7th grade team in the history of 7th graders.


You are uninformed, few holdbacks and not even the biggest team at the tournament much less in the entire history oh 7th grade lacrosse. [/quote]

Not the biggest team in the tournament?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding me!!!

You cheating piece of garbage. That entire team was high school kids. Of the starters more than half were over six feet tall. I’ve been doing this a long time. I’ve never seen a bunch of seventh graders that size. Seventh graders. What a joke. You parents are cheating slime. Is it so important that you have your 15 year olds play 12 year olds? Does that make any sense to you?? I use to think Madlax was the biggest cheater team but I don’t see how any 7th grade team can be bigger cheaters than the Hawks. Congrats. You now get the distinction! Slimiest of the slime.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/13/19 06:25 PM

Which are the top 2024 Baltimore teams? We as new to the area and need to select teams for a tryout.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 06/13/19 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you only watched the Hawks play once all weekend, then you missed a good team with very good players. The Eclipse and Hawks game was a great semi-final. The Hawks are ON AGE 12-13 year olds. STOP MAKING STUFF UP. There is only ONE player which could maybe be called what you say is a "holdback". Don't make things up and bash a team that you watched once while they were playing their 4th game of the day against a rested Long Island 91 team that was playing its 3rd game. Great way to line up a tournament by the way. The Hawks lost that game at the face off X, and hardly had possession. 91's FO guy was as big as any kid on the Hawks. You beat a completely gassed Hawks team, congrats, good luck at the U-13 Jake Steinfeld Bowl in Denver.


You can bash MD lax all you want, but DONT lie and make things up about a team you know absolutely nothing about.



Ok. My bad. You have only one single holdback. Great. Then we’ll see you in Denver at the WSYL. NOT! Holdback teams don’t qualify for the WSYL now do they? NOW YOU STOP MAKING garbage UP, CHEATER TRASH!

Your little high school team was the talk of the tourney. Everywhere I went, I heard people talking about how very over the top that cheater team was. The elephant in the room! Disgraceful!!!

FYI crybaby cheater dad. Pack played the 2nd best team in the tourney right before playing your horrendous team. Right before that they played the 3rd best team. Eclipse is a mediocre team at best. Although when playing the Hawks I’m sure it felt insurmountable.

Hawks should be banned from the 7t