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As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.


This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


So you grand solution to the holdback problem is to eliminate the double holdbacks, but holdbacks are fine?? Really?? By definition, that does nothing for the holdback issue.




You will always have kids that are older no matter what system you follow. If you use calendar year, or 9/1 age, then there will always be kids that are up to 364 days older. At least if you follow the AAU model, kids are in a tighter age range than they otherwise would be. It is the best of both worlds. You are never going to get clubs to go back to age based, so you are wasting your breath on that argument. That ship has sailed. Grade is much easier for clubs and recruiting. You don't have kids flip-flopping between age brackets. They just move up together and gel as a team. They stay with their friends from school and teammates from other grade based teams.


Rising 8th graders are 12 and 13. You’re saying it’s ok for the kid to be 15 on the 2nd day of school, of 8th grade. That makes him a year and a half older than many on age kids. FYI that’s a holdback!! The thing you’re trying to eliminate. Remember? You MD people have a serious addiction problem with holdbacks. Gotta ween yourself off the drug? How bout going cold turkey. Change that 15 to a 14 and play true on age like the rest of the world.

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As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.


This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


So you grand solution to the holdback problem is to eliminate the double holdbacks, but holdbacks are fine?? Really?? By definition, that does nothing for the holdback issue.




You will always have kids that are older no matter what system you follow. If you use calendar year, or 9/1 age, then there will always be kids that are up to 364 days older. At least if you follow the AAU model, kids are in a tighter age range than they otherwise would be. It is the best of both worlds. You are never going to get clubs to go back to age based, so you are wasting your breath on that argument. That ship has sailed. Grade is much easier for clubs and recruiting. You don't have kids flip-flopping between age brackets. They just move up together and gel as a team. They stay with their friends from school and teammates from other grade based teams.


Rising 8th graders are 12 and 13. You’re saying it’s ok for the kid to be 15 on the 2nd day of school, of 8th grade. That makes him a year and a half older than many on age kids. FYI that’s a holdback!! The thing you’re trying to eliminate. Remember? You MD people have a serious addiction problem with holdbacks. Gotta ween yourself off the drug? How bout going cold turkey. Change that 15 to a 14 and play true on age like the rest of the world.


Sounds like you need to work on your reading comprehension and math. Go back and read the original email. If it helps read it really slowly. In HoCo area and most of the country the age cutoff is 9/1.

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Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?

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As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


Grade base is a joke in Youth in AAU BB, The better Youth teams dont follow grades. ...Most teams are age based in AAU BB YOUTH..HS varies depending on area. Youth Club Lacrosse in Maryland is cancer that is spreading out across the country. Holdbacks in Youth lacrosse is wrong. Common sense tells you that

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As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.


This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


So you grand solution to the holdback problem is to eliminate the double holdbacks, but holdbacks are fine?? Really?? By definition, that does nothing for the holdback issue.




You will always have kids that are older no matter what system you follow. If you use calendar year, or 9/1 age, then there will always be kids that are up to 364 days older. At least if you follow the AAU model, kids are in a tighter age range than they otherwise would be. It is the best of both worlds. You are never going to get clubs to go back to age based, so you are wasting your breath on that argument. That ship has sailed. Grade is much easier for clubs and recruiting. You don't have kids flip-flopping between age brackets. They just move up together and gel as a team. They stay with their friends from school and teammates from other grade based teams.


Rising 8th graders are 12 and 13. You’re saying it’s ok for the kid to be 15 on the 2nd day of school, of 8th grade. That makes him a year and a half older than many on age kids. FYI that’s a holdback!! The thing you’re trying to eliminate. Remember? You MD people have a serious addiction problem with holdbacks. Gotta ween yourself off the drug? How bout going cold turkey. Change that 15 to a 14 and play true on age like the rest of the world.


Sounds like you need to work on your reading comprehension and math. Go back and read the original email. If it helps read it really slowly. In HoCo area and most of the country the age cutoff is 9/1.


Hilarious..Yea..Lets let the one year holdbacks cheat, but Double Holdbacks..Sorry..Only ONE year of Cheating for You! LOL

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Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Really Madlax-double-holdback-dad? Is your kid the former ‘23 DC Dogs 6’1” 170 pounder? Or maybe he is 12? LMAO!

LI has more holdbacks? Just once, could you make a mature comment that doesn’t sound like it was made by one of your holdbacks?

Right after the on age LI teams dominate the 2023/2022 MD teams, they will be headed to the 13U World Series of Youth Lacrosse to defend their thrown as the best 2024 team in the world. All 100% 13U non-cheating players. NO HOLD BACKS!! UNDERSTAND DUMBA$$?? What will the 60 Madlax players be doing that week? They will be watching the best 2024 players in the world, that what. NO HOLDBACKS. NONE.

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Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Then why are the LI teams going to the WSYL and none of the MD DC teams are? How is it possible out of the thousands of 2024 club players in MD and DC, there isn’t 15 on-age kids, eligible to go to Denver, for potentially the biggest stage that most of these kids will ever play on. 15 kids?!! You don’t have 15 on age kids in all of MD and DC?? That seriously boggles the mind. Absolutely none of your 2024 teams have any on age kids. Cheating slime.

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So what is your alternative? Is it - any delayed entry kid born before March 1 (approximate HoCo start date) will have to play in the class category above? Are you advocating the country goes back to strict calendar year to start school so all 8th graders could only be a maximum of 14 for the HoCo league? Is it to follow USL rules on participation?

Others have suggested going strictly by age where on a kid's birthday, they age up into the next group automatically. This way a kid will be the youngest and eventually be the oldest on the team.

Then you have to figure out how to get all the clubs and organizations to follow any change in a way that is to their benefit without financial or organizational pain. The clubs don't care because the older kids make their teams better. The colleges don't care because it is saving them the cost of red-shirting and they now have a better recruiting sense because all these holdbacks have matured and there are less surprises when they hit college. The parents don't care because they think they are doing what's best for their kids.

It's been a problem for a long time but the constant disruption on these threads don't move the needle.

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As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


Grade base is a joke in Youth in AAU BB, The better Youth teams dont follow grades. ...Most teams are age based in AAU BB YOUTH..HS varies depending on area. Youth Club Lacrosse in Maryland is cancer that is spreading out across the country. Holdbacks in Youth lacrosse is wrong. Common sense tells you that


And middle school is where the difference is magnified 100X. The difference between a 12 year old pre-pubescent and a 15 year post-pubescent is the difference between “babies” and “men”. The 12 year old “babies” are 4’10” 99 lbs vs 6’ 1”+ 165 lbs+ 15 year old “men”. So these kids that should be playing high school varsity on a very high level, are competing against small 99 lb boys. How does it make any sense at all to put the two together. It’s a recipe for disaster. Somebody is going to get seriously hurt or possibly worse. And when that happens, and it will happen, the masses will say, how did any responsible adult knowingly let that happen? The proverbial LaxinItUp will hit the fan, and big time changes will happen very fast. But it’s unconscionsble that it’s going to take such a tragic event to make that happen, when anybody with a brain larger than the size of a pea, knows what is going on here is wrong!

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Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Really Madlax-double-holdback-dad? Is your kid the former ‘23 DC Dogs 6’1” 170 pounder? Or maybe he is 12? LMAO!

LI has more holdbacks? Just once, could you make a mature comment that doesn’t sound like it was made by one of your holdbacks?

Right after the on age LI teams dominate the 2023/2022 MD teams, they will be headed to the 13U World Series of Youth Lacrosse to defend their thrown as the best 2024 team in the world. All 100% 13U non-cheating players. NO HOLD BACKS!! UNDERSTAND DUMBA$$?? What will the 60 Madlax players be doing that week? They will be watching the best 2024 players in the world, that what. NO HOLDBACKS. NONE.


Maybe we can get a reasonable answer for this, from a Madlax parent. Personally, I don’t think Madlax is all holdbacks. My best estimate is that the team is 2/3’s holdbacks. If that’s accuarate, since Madlax has two teams, there should be approximately 20 on-age players, between the two teams. Plenty of players to go to Denver. However, there is no team, so that indicates two things to me. 1. I’m wrong and the team is a lot more than 2/3’s holdbacks, or 2. The owners/coaches feel that these 20 players are subpar players. Which is it?

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Hi guys. Quick question for you. We all know about how bad the holdback problem is in MD. It’s bad. Holdbacks and double holdbacks. I don’t think anyone would disagree, the problem is an epidemic in MD. But let’s look at this objectively in the context of 2024. Some of these MD holdback teams (but not many) are able to compete with non-holdback teams from LI, only because they have these holdbacks. If the holdbacks don’t exist, common sense suggests that the MD teams will not be able to compete. How do you respond to that very legitimate question? No pot stirring here. Serious answers appreciated.

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As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.


Grade base is a joke in Youth in AAU BB, The better Youth teams dont follow grades. ...Most teams are age based in AAU BB YOUTH..HS varies depending on area. Youth Club Lacrosse in Maryland is cancer that is spreading out across the country. Holdbacks in Youth lacrosse is wrong. Common sense tells you that


And middle school is where the difference is magnified 100X. The difference between a 12 year old pre-pubescent and a 15 year post-pubescent is the difference between “babies” and “men”. The 12 year old “babies” are 4’10” 99 lbs vs 6’ 1”+ 165 lbs+ 15 year old “men”. So these kids that should be playing high school varsity on a very high level, are competing against small 99 lb boys. How does it make any sense at all to put the two together. It’s a recipe for disaster. Somebody is going to get seriously hurt or possibly worse. And when that happens, and it will happen, the masses will say, how did any responsible adult knowingly let that happen? The proverbial LaxinItUp will hit the fan, and big time changes will happen very fast. But it’s unconscionsble that it’s going to take such a tragic event to make that happen, when anybody with a brain larger than the size of a pea, knows what is going on here is wrong!



Provide an alternative with dates of eligibility.

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Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Really Madlax-double-holdback-dad? Is your kid the former ‘23 DC Dogs 6’1” 170 pounder? Or maybe he is 12? LMAO!

LI has more holdbacks? Just once, could you make a mature comment that doesn’t sound like it was made by one of your holdbacks?

Right after the on age LI teams dominate the 2023/2022 MD teams, they will be headed to the 13U World Series of Youth Lacrosse to defend their thrown as the best 2024 team in the world. All 100% 13U non-cheating players. NO HOLD BACKS!! UNDERSTAND DUMBA$$?? What will the 60 Madlax players be doing that week? They will be watching the best 2024 players in the world, that what. NO HOLDBACKS. NONE.


Maybe we can get a reasonable answer for this, from a Madlax parent. Personally, I don’t think Madlax is all holdbacks. My best estimate is that the team is 2/3’s holdbacks. If that’s accuarate, since Madlax has two teams, there should be approximately 20 on-age players, between the two teams. Plenty of players to go to Denver. However, there is no team, so that indicates two things to me. 1. I’m wrong and the team is a lot more than 2/3’s holdbacks, or 2. The owners/coaches feel that these 20 players are subpar players. Which is it?



MadLax didn't have enough age eligible to field 1 team so #2 doesn't matter. Unfortunately, that's true and the kids they did have that were good played for Next Level last year. They then went back to ML.

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So what is your alternative? Is it - any delayed entry kid born before March 1 (approximate HoCo start date) will have to play in the class category above? Are you advocating the country goes back to strict calendar year to start school so all 8th graders could only be a maximum of 14 for the HoCo league? Is it to follow USL rules on participation?

Others have suggested going strictly by age where on a kid's birthday, they age up into the next group automatically. This way a kid will be the youngest and eventually be the oldest on the team.

Then you have to figure out how to get all the clubs and organizations to follow any change in a way that is to their benefit without financial or organizational pain. The clubs don't care because the older kids make their teams better. The colleges don't care because it is saving them the cost of red-shirting and they now have a better recruiting sense because all these holdbacks have matured and there are less surprises when they hit college. The parents don't care because they think they are doing what's best for their kids.

It's been a problem for a long time but the constant disruption on these threads don't move the needle.


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You really have a hard one for that Madlax team. Nobody cares but you. Don't you have any other interests.

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As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws current read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division
As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once.
Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.

Grade base is a joke in Youth in AAU BB, The better Youth teams dont follow grades. ...Most teams are age based in AAU BB YOUTH..HS varies depending on area. Youth Club Lacrosse in Maryland is cancer that is spreading out across the country. Holdbacks in Youth lacrosse is wrong. Common sense tells you that

And middle school is where the difference is magnified 100X. The difference between a 12 year old pre-pubescent and a 15 year post-pubescent is the difference between “babies” and “men”. The 12 year old “babies” are 4’10” 99 lbs vs 6’ 1”+ 165 lbs+ 15 year old “men”. So these kids that should be playing high school varsity on a very high level, are competing against small 99 lb boys. How does it make any sense at all to put the two together. It’s a recipe for disaster. Somebody is going to get seriously hurt or possibly worse. And when that happens, and it will happen, the masses will say, how did any responsible adult knowingly let that happen? The proverbial LaxinItUp will hit the fan, and big time changes will happen very fast. But it’s unconscionsble that it’s going to take such a tragic event to make that happen, when anybody with a brain larger than the size of a pea, knows what is going on here is wrong!

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COMMON SENSE : Most Schools use Sept 1 ...USE THAT for Youth Lacrosse ( up to 8th grade) .. Somehow for 50 years YOUTH lacrosse survived based on Age until about 5 years ago when the Private school holdback/prefirst influence reared its ugly head.

Frankly the match that stated it was the ignorant people from HOCO ( who have children in Private schools) who started a GRADE base league instead of AGE based like ALL other leagues are in Howard County recreation Department.

HS is where you can get an your advantage. Common Sense.. HS is about grade and Youth is about AGE..Spin Away Prefirst/holdback apologists. More parents are reclassing/prefirst/holdback than ever before, Holdbacks are becoming an epidemic due to advantage in youth sports. Pretty Sad

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?

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In discussing top 2024 in the Mid Atlantic, don't forget Cavalier 2024. Inside Lacrosse ranks them #16 in the world.

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Largest Sport in World that recruits talent is by age, Soccer. Anyone with any sense or fairplay knows that youth sports should be by age.

Lacrosse is the only youth sport I know that is overrun with older kids at highest level playing against younger kids, and then claiming that same older players are superstars. Sad but Funny

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

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COMMON SENSE : Most Schools use Sept 1 ...USE THAT for Youth Lacrosse ( up to 8th grade) .. Somehow for 50 years YOUTH lacrosse survived based on Age until about 5 years ago when the Private school holdback/prefirst influence reared its ugly head.

Frankly the match that stated it was the ignorant people from HOCO ( who have children in Private schools) who started a GRADE base league instead of AGE based like ALL other leagues are in Howard County recreation Department.

HS is where you can get an your advantage. Common Sense.. HS is about grade and Youth is about AGE..Spin Away Prefirst/holdback apologists. More parents are reclassing/prefirst/holdback than ever before, Holdbacks are becoming an epidemic due to advantage in youth sports. Pretty Sad


Got it. You are upset because you are no longer the oldest in your class and you want to beat up on the June through August kids.

If it's an age group instead of a class based why does it have to be September. I think it should go by calendar year so my January kid is the oldest and you are the youngest.

The only answer is exact birth date. A kid celebrates his 12th birthday, they move out of 11U and into 12U/13U. And if a kid ages out during HoCo then tough. Good luck in trying to implement it as the parents with kids born in September - November or holdbacks will never agree. The teams shout about team function (nonsense at the youth level) and there's just more paperwork involved so the tournaments and clubs don't want the hassle.

The double holdback, however, is absolutely outrageous. This is a kid who is born prior to the 9/1 date and is then held back sometime again. Some of it is due to learning or social problems but some of it is absolutely sports related.

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


It's not a public league. It is managed by the county but paid for and rules instituted by the clubs. The pushback argument is there are different divisions from elite to A/B. If your team doesn't have older kids, they shouldn't be playing elite. There is no shame in asking to play against equal competition even though there is shame in double holdbacks scamming the system to get some weird advantage.

The clubs make the rules and not the county. Complain loudly to your club about double holdbacks and see what they say.

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.

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Don't kid yourself. NY teams have just as many, if not more holdbacks than MD teams. What do you think a kid with a fall 2005 birthday playing LI 2024 is?


Really Madlax-double-holdback-dad? Is your kid the former ‘23 DC Dogs 6’1” 170 pounder? Or maybe he is 12? LMAO!

LI has more holdbacks? Just once, could you make a mature comment that doesn’t sound like it was made by one of your holdbacks?

Right after the on age LI teams dominate the 2023/2022 MD teams, they will be headed to the 13U World Series of Youth Lacrosse to defend their thrown as the best 2024 team in the world. All 100% 13U non-cheating players. NO HOLD BACKS!! UNDERSTAND DUMBA$$?? What will the 60 Madlax players be doing that week? They will be watching the best 2024 players in the world, that what. NO HOLDBACKS. NONE.


Maybe we can get a reasonable answer for this, from a Madlax parent. Personally, I don’t think Madlax is all holdbacks. My best estimate is that the team is 2/3’s holdbacks. If that’s accuarate, since Madlax has two teams, there should be approximately 20 on-age players, between the two teams. Plenty of players to go to Denver. However, there is no team, so that indicates two things to me. 1. I’m wrong and the team is a lot more than 2/3’s holdbacks, or 2. The owners/coaches feel that these 20 players are subpar players. Which is it?



MadLax didn't have enough age eligible to field 1 team so #2 doesn't matter. Unfortunately, that's true and the kids they did have that were good played for Next Level last year. They then went back to ML.


Out of about sixty players on two teams, Madlax doesn’t have fifteen 2024-age kids on two 2024 teams. How is that even possible?? It’s a freak’n 2024 team without any 2024 age kids. Is there anyone, anywhere that doesn’t see the ludicrous in that? I really don’t see how any governing body can possibly allow such a thing.

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So what is your alternative? Is it - any delayed entry kid born before March 1 (approximate HoCo start date) will have to play in the class category above? Are you advocating the country goes back to strict calendar year to start school so all 8th graders could only be a maximum of 14 for the HoCo league? Is it to follow USL rules on participation?

Others have suggested going strictly by age where on a kid's birthday, they age up into the next group automatically. This way a kid will be the youngest and eventually be the oldest on the team.

Then you have to figure out how to get all the clubs and organizations to follow any change in a way that is to their benefit without financial or organizational pain. The clubs don't care because the older kids make their teams better. The colleges don't care because it is saving them the cost of red-shirting and they now have a better recruiting sense because all these holdbacks have matured and there are less surprises when they hit college. The parents don't care because they think they are doing what's best for their kids.

It's been a problem for a long time but the constant disruption on these threads don't move the needle.



Calendar year Jan 1 like all the other sports is the only solution that makes sense. There will always be bigger, stronger older looking kids out there, but it ends the disagreements and accusations.

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In discussing top 2024 in the Mid Atlantic, don't forget Cavalier 2024. Inside Lacrosse ranks them #16 in the world.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLcCF1ADnW


Cavalier not good. Glorified rec. Those rankings are a total joke.

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Largest Sport in World that recruits talent is by age, Soccer. Anyone with any sense or fairplay knows that youth sports should be by age.

Lacrosse is the only youth sport I know that is overrun with older kids at highest level playing against younger kids, and then claiming that same older players are superstars. Sad but Funny


I take it your kid is one of the kids getting "run" over. Get used to it. He is still going to be small in high school.

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COMMON SENSE : Most Schools use Sept 1 ...USE THAT for Youth Lacrosse ( up to 8th grade) .. Somehow for 50 years YOUTH lacrosse survived based on Age until about 5 years ago when the Private school holdback/prefirst influence reared its ugly head.

Frankly the match that stated it was the ignorant people from HOCO ( who have children in Private schools) who started a GRADE base league instead of AGE based like ALL other leagues are in Howard County recreation Department.

HS is where you can get an your advantage. Common Sense.. HS is about grade and Youth is about AGE..Spin Away Prefirst/holdback apologists. More parents are reclassing/prefirst/holdback than ever before, Holdbacks are becoming an epidemic due to advantage in youth sports. Pretty Sad


Got it. You are upset because you are no longer the oldest in your class and you want to beat up on the June through August kids.

If it's an age group instead of a class based why does it have to be September. I think it should go by calendar year so my January kid is the oldest and you are the youngest.

The only answer is exact birth date. A kid celebrates his 12th birthday, they move out of 11U and into 12U/13U. And if a kid ages out during HoCo then tough. Good luck in trying to implement it as the parents with kids born in September - November or holdbacks will never agree. The teams shout about team function (nonsense at the youth level) and there's just more paperwork involved so the tournaments and clubs don't want the hassle.

The double holdback, however, is absolutely outrageous. This is a kid who is born prior to the 9/1 date and is then held back sometime again. Some of it is due to learning or social problems but some of it is absolutely sports related.


The only way to fix HoCo in a way that clubs will actually agree to is the AAU rules. They have been tested and they work in a sport that actually matters.

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The only way to fix HoCo in a way that clubs will actually agree to is the AAU rules. They have been tested and they work in a sport that actually matters.


Based on your post, I take it you've spoken to your club and they've agreed to it. Have they agreed to bring it up to HoCo, Team 91, DCE, BL, ML, Crabs and the others?

Let us know how that goes.

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Largest Sport in World that recruits talent is by age, Soccer. Anyone with any sense or fairplay knows that youth sports should be by age.

Lacrosse is the only youth sport I know that is overrun with older kids at highest level playing against younger kids, and then claiming that same older players are superstars. Sad but Funny


I take it your kid is one of the kids getting "run" over. Get used to it. He is still going to be small in high school.


Hey double holdback dad. You really think your behemoth son is getting better playing against little kids? If he had any potential he’d be on HS varsity right now, now wouldn’t he? I mean at 6’2” and 175 pounds, he’s bigger than practically every player on varsity. Yet you have him playing against small children. Is it a confidence problem. He’s afraid of kids his own age and size? Toughen the kid up! Time to throw out the binkie and the pull-ups, and become a big boy. By the way, those little boys that he is competing against, are growing up. Before long, they will be his size or larger. Then what’s your holdback going to do, go back to his blankie? Maybe you should hold on to the pull-ups, after all.

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In discussing top 2024 in the Mid Atlantic, don't forget Cavalier 2024. Inside Lacrosse ranks them #16 in the world.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLcCF1ADnW


Cavalier not good. Glorified rec. Those rankings are a total joke.


Cavalier isn't even in Elite division of HoCo. Heck, Breakers is #19 on this bogus ranking and
lost every game last year in HoCo Elite.

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Largest Sport in World that recruits talent is by age, Soccer. Anyone with any sense or fairplay knows that youth sports should be by age.

Lacrosse is the only youth sport I know that is overrun with older kids at highest level playing against younger kids, and then claiming that same older players are superstars. Sad but Funny


I take it your kid is one of the kids getting "run" over. Get used to it. He is still going to be small in high school.


Hilarious! The holdback/reclass apologist comes out with a normal garbage statement. No actually reasoning to better you cause. Just the usual garbage , kid too small, Hit wall, bigger kids make him better ( that one is always rich ) etc etc .

Your " run" over coming from someone whose child couldn't even compete against same age children is perfect!! LOL

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COMMON SENSE : Most Schools use Sept 1 ...USE THAT for Youth Lacrosse ( up to 8th grade) .. Somehow for 50 years YOUTH lacrosse survived based on Age until about 5 years ago when the Private school holdback/prefirst influence reared its ugly head.

Frankly the match that stated it was the ignorant people from HOCO ( who have children in Private schools) who started a GRADE base league instead of AGE based like ALL other leagues are in Howard County recreation Department.

HS is where you can get an your advantage. Common Sense.. HS is about grade and Youth is about AGE..Spin Away Prefirst/holdback apologists. More parents are reclassing/prefirst/holdback than ever before, Holdbacks are becoming an epidemic due to advantage in youth sports. Pretty Sad


Got it. You are upset because you are no longer the oldest in your class and you want to beat up on the June through August kids.

If it's an age group instead of a class based why does it have to be September. I think it should go by calendar year so my January kid is the oldest and you are the youngest.

The only answer is exact birth date. A kid celebrates his 12th birthday, they move out of 11U and into 12U/13U. And if a kid ages out during HoCo then tough. Good luck in trying to implement it as the parents with kids born in September - November or holdbacks will never agree. The teams shout about team function (nonsense at the youth level) and there's just more paperwork involved so the tournaments and clubs don't want the hassle.

The double holdback, however, is absolutely outrageous. This is a kid who is born prior to the 9/1 date and is then held back sometime again. Some of it is due to learning or social problems but some of it is absolutely sports related.


A lot of ignorant statements over a simple pick a date and stick with it. You must be a holdback parent whose kid couldnt make it, Jan , Yea Right . School is Sept 1..Common Sense. But give me ten reasons why there will be problems?? LOL. Soccer does Jan 1 which isnt the greatest date but it works for them and youth sports. But you probably know better than the largest sport on earth in recruiting players

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??


Most people on the 2024 thread call any ‘05 Birthday a holdback. So make it Jan 1st.

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It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??


Because it's not that easy anymore. It's been studied over and over that older kids are better regardless of when you set the date. They get more attention, reps and playing time. Couple that with the growing recruitment of grade school kids to get into private schools and now there's motivation. There's not even any type of agreement on these threads except the double holdback is outrageous but nobody will try to stop it for fear of repercussion from the club.

The only real date for participation is birth date and that will never be implemented. I have no idea why not.

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Changing the topic. Which six teams will qualify for the WSYL from the North region?

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??

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I have to ask, My younger son plays travel hockey, all those teams go by birth year. is there a reason why travel lax has not done the same?


Similarly, all of youth soccer has gone age-based (Jan 1). Somehow all of those players are still getting into college. Doesn't seem very difficult.

UMMM US Lacrosse has age guidelines as well. September is the most logical as it mirrors many school systems. However, HOCO chooses not to use US Lacrosse guidelines. Funny how the US Lacrosse in in Sparks not far from the home base for several clubs and yet they have no influence on the youth game. US Lacrosse should reach out and make a bigger push or get out of the way. The age guidelines US Lacrosse uses should be enforced by a Howard County public league.


Why is September the most logical if you are going age based instead of class? Why not calendar year since the entire country thinks January 1st is the first day of the year but not every school system starts on 9/1. Why not March 1st since that's the approximate start date of the league and that's when you really are trying to regulate the age. It's not so easy.

USL is a joke. It has no power and is completely in-bred and full of cronyism. It exists merely to feed itself.


It is easy.. Pick a date. Sept 1 works with majority of school systems. Or Jan 1 which soccer has done. It isnt that hard, It is just a date all have to live with. We are talking YOUTH sports ?? RIght ?? High School is still grade last I checked ??


Most people on the 2024 thread call any ‘05 Birthday a holdback. So make it Jan 1st.

What about year-round school districts? I live in an area where year-round is the norm and your child is assigned to a "track" in kindergarten and they remain on that "track" up through 8th grade. For instance, if Track 1 you begin school in July. If Track 4 you may not begin school until October or November. Would you still consider a kid a "holdback" if s/he didn't begin school until Nov or Dec?

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