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It’s all fun and games for the tournament directors and holdback parents until a 6 ft tall, 190 pound, 15 year man child ends up seriously injuring a 100 pound 13 year old age on kid. As this perverse grade vs age loophole continues to be increasingly exploited, we’re going to see more concussions, broken bones and sadly perhaps a paralyzing neck injury. I really hope the insanity stops before we hit that tragic point. It’s one of the many reasons other more evolved youth sports run by responsible adults don’t let that match up ever happen.


Most big kids I know play cautiously around smaller kids because they know the refs will call the game so as to protect the smaller kids. If a big kid hits a small kid, immediate flag. If a small kid slashes a big kid in the kidneys with a baseball swing, no foul. I watched a Legacy Launch (ahem, Taz) versus Edge game in Delaware a couple of weeks ago. The Edge team, which was twice the size of the Taz kids, were completely in control and played clean. It was the Taz kids that were swinging wildly. It got so bad that finally the refs had to start calling the Taz kids and they spent the rest of the game in the penalty box. Guess it was frustrating to go 0-5.


That may or may not happen in B games but that absolutely does not happen in A games. A teams have holdbacks for the sole purpose of getting an advantage over on age players. There is NO holding back by any player if they want to keep their job. There is only one goal and that is win the game. Kids are not thinking at all about the possible repercussions of their actions. If they do, then you will be watching them in B games.

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If my memory serves me correct, Madlax has lost one game in the past year, to LI Express in the final of the NLF. I don't think WP made the semis of that tournament, or did they? Would love to see WP play Madlax, Hawks, Team 91, and Next Level in full time regulation games over the course of 4 straight weeks. If they could run that gauntlet, then good for them. My money says probably not.


Bro, why are you talking about a year ago? That was a life time ago. Since then, Madlax has added seven additional holdbacks. Wolfpack has added players as well (but not holdbacks, of course). Last year is completely inconsequential for both teams. Understand?? Good.

For starters, take the Hawks off the table. They are an abysmal team. Absolutely gigantic, but atrocious lacrosse players. Trust me, the Pack won't be wasting any time going down that road again, any time soon. By all accounts (on the BOTC MD thread), all of your little cheater teams are comparable, trading victories and losses each week in your little hoco cheater league. If your top teams, can't completely demolish a team like the Hawks (which they can't!), the Pack has no use for them. Sorry to be so blunt, but those are the facts. We'll continue to play in the 2023 "A" bracket, in search of actual competition.

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Can you even imagine the horror show of being on a team with a parent like this. Assume this guy/gal is representative of the typical WP parent. LI board, MD board, denigrating every other team other than WP and spewing false statements (seven holdback additions, false; "teams are comparable", false; cheaters, false). Apparently there are only 18-20 good lacrosse players on the planet and everyone else should just give up. Well done on representing that #1 ranking with grace and dignity. It is very odd that people from a team that is ranked #1 have to spend so much time defending the ranking, knocking other programs, calling people cheaters, etc.

Madlax has lost zero games since the start of the lacrosse year in the Fall, zero. Will they lose this summer, maybe. There are lots of great clubs and kids out there and looking forward to some good games. End of the day, win or lose, who really cares as long as the kids have fun and continue to develop. You live in some dream world where you are the guardian of 2024 lacrosse and that 7th grade lacrosse has any meaning past the short term (24 hours after a game). You rant about the evils of MD lacrosse and we laugh at you because you are just as bad. MD parents don't make the rules under which we play but you do control your actions as an adult which are as much to blame for what is wrong with youth lacrosse (abhorrent behavior in the stands and on the sidelines, constant bragging, constant lies, constant knocking of 7th grade kids, etc.). And so not to rile everyone on LI up this behavior is seen across all regions. It is all more than a little pathetic and a sad commentary on the state of youth sports. So please enough with the holier than thou attitude, no one is buying it.

Let me save you the time of a response because I know you are incapable of coming up with anything novel.

"Cheater cheater, holdback, holdback, we are #1, we are #1, the lacrosse gods ranked us #1, you stink, you stink." Does that about cover it?



I loved everything you said except the part about every region- this guy is alone in his absurdity. He is an Meanyhat who posts on multiple boards and has no originality. He needs to stop disrespecting Ali by ending posts with his quote. I know exactly which dad this guy is - last summer drinking out of a hotel coffee cup thinking he was being tricky as he got drunker and more obnoxious. Skinny little man who is only tuff behind a keyboard. Would love to see him lost in an alley sometime he would stop barking about cheaters real fast!


Name the time and place cheater!!! Your 2023 holdback teams stink, trailer trash!! A total humiliation!

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Whos the best team in this 2024 bracket?

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It’s all fun and games for the tournament directors and holdback parents until a 6 ft tall, 190 pound, 15 year man child ends up seriously injuring a 100 pound 13 year old age on kid. As this perverse grade vs age loophole continues to be increasingly exploited, we’re going to see more concussions, broken bones and sadly perhaps a paralyzing neck injury. I really hope the insanity stops before we hit that tragic point. It’s one of the many reasons other more evolved youth sports run by responsible adults don’t let that match up ever happen.


Most big kids I know play cautiously around smaller kids because they know the refs will call the game so as to protect the smaller kids. If a big kid hits a small kid, immediate flag. If a small kid slashes a big kid in the kidneys with a baseball swing, no foul. I watched a Legacy Launch (ahem, Taz) versus Edge game in Delaware a couple of weeks ago. The Edge team, which was twice the size of the Taz kids, were completely in control and played clean. It was the Taz kids that were swinging wildly. It got so bad that finally the refs had to start calling the Taz kids and they spent the rest of the game in the penalty box. Guess it was frustrating to go 0-5.


That may or may not happen in B games but that absolutely does not happen in A games. A teams have holdbacks for the sole purpose of getting an advantage over on age players. There is NO holding back by any player if they want to keep their job. There is only one goal and that is win the game. Kids are not thinking at all about the possible repercussions of their actions. If they do, then you will be watching them in B games.



Regardless of whatever the waivers say, at some point a seriously bad head/neck injury will happen and some rightfully upset parents with money will find a personal injury attorney and stop at nothing in going after the tournament, the club and the holdback parents for gross negligence, willful misconduct, intent to do bodily harm, etc. In this day and age, chances are good that damaging video of the incident will be available, too. We’ve all seen the way too old midi with a huge size advantage play superhero down the middle and truck kids because he can. It will take years and tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to litigate, not to mention the ongoing stress of litigation casting a cloud over the tournament, the club and holdback family and inflict a lot of reputational damage along the way as it won’t escape this small world of lacrosse. Hope it never comes to this, but as we get to 2+ year holdbacks with 75+ pound weight differentials colliding into small age on kids, it seems inevitable something very bad will happen.

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Hey guys. Just checking in. Kinda quiet on the MD board. How’d the cheater teams do this weekend? Any new guest players this weekend show up on any of the teams? Heard Madlax invited #24 back for a “sneak” preview, along with a few 2023 DCDogs players. Hey, whatever it takes to win a 7th grade lacrosse game, right? By all accounts, none of you cheater teams cheat enough. Honestly, you’re all mediocre teams, and that’s being very kind. Madlax beats lowly hawks by two goals. Big Woop! Just more proof how bad all your cheater teams are.

What?? How did the Island teams do this weekend? They did great, thanks for asking. The Pack went undefeated again at the Tri State LAX Clash against some phenomenal competition. No. Nothing like the cheater teams. These were extremely good teams. The Pack continues to roll. Still undefeated, and still 100% on age. No holdbacks. An unbelievably impressive team. You should see the ball movement on offense, their shut down defense, the brick wall goalie play, and the best faceoff kid in the grade!

We’re off to Denver this weekend for the World Series of Youth Lacrosse to play the very best 2024 teams on the planet. Can’t wait! No subpar cheater teams that dilute the Field of teams. . No, no, no! Only the best teams at this, the finest of all tournaments. Have fun while we’re gone playing each other, in The Cheating Games.

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What?? How did the Island teams do this weekend? They did great, thanks for asking. The Pack went undefeated again at the Tri State LAX Clash against some phenomenal competition. No. Nothing like the cheater teams. These were extremely good teams. The Pack continues to roll. Still undefeated, and still 100% on age. No holdbacks. An unbelievably impressive team. You should see the ball movement on offense, their shut down defense, the brick wall goalie play, and the best faceoff kid in the grade!

We’re off to Denver this weekend for the World Series of Youth Lacrosse to play the very best 2024 teams on the planet. Can’t wait! No subpar cheater teams that dilute the Field of teams. . No, no, no! Only the best teams at this, the finest of all tournaments. Have fun while we’re gone playing each other, in The Cheating Games.


Trust me no one down here asked or cares. The funniest thing is going to be in two weeks when the WSYL is over and the realization sets in that no one other than the kids who won are going to care about it. Years of build up and then.....nothing. There should be an over/under line for how long after the WSYL will LI people still be talking about it like it mattered much, I am going with 8 months. Here is a little truth for you, no tournament at the 7th grade level matters other than at the time it is being played and for a few days after for the winners. And by the way it only matters to those playing in it. So by all means keep denigrating 7th grade kids if that is what makes you feel manly. End of the day from my experience any kid who wins a tournament, whether it be a B Level tournament, NLF or the WSYL, they all feel the same joy and sense of accomplishment which is how it should be. It is pathetic excuse for adults like you that make it into something more. Just check out the most recent posts on the LI Board, they literally hate everyone and everything associated with 7th grade lacrosse. It must be truly sad going through life so angry and hateful.

And yes, pretty much the entire population will be having fun over the 4th of July with their families celebrating the birth of our nation without a single thought to lacrosse.

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Hey guys. Just checking in. Kinda quiet on the MD board. How’d the cheater teams do this weekend? Any new guest players this weekend show up on any of the teams? Heard Madlax invited #24 back for a “sneak” preview, along with a few 2023 DCDogs players. Hey, whatever it takes to win a 7th grade lacrosse game, right? By all accounts, none of you cheater teams cheat enough. Honestly, you’re all mediocre teams, and that’s being very kind. Madlax beats lowly hawks by two goals. Big Woop! Just more proof how bad all your cheater teams are.

What?? How did the Island teams do this weekend? They did great, thanks for asking. The Pack went undefeated again at the Tri State LAX Clash against some phenomenal competition. No. Nothing like the cheater teams. These were extremely good teams. The Pack continues to roll. Still undefeated, and still 100% on age. No holdbacks. An unbelievably impressive team. You should see the ball movement on offense, their shut down defense, the brick wall goalie play, and the best faceoff kid in the grade!

We’re off to Denver this weekend for the World Series of Youth Lacrosse to play the very best 2024 teams on the planet. Can’t wait! No subpar cheater teams that dilute the Field of teams. . No, no, no! Only the best teams at this, the finest of all tournaments. Have fun while we’re gone playing each other, in The Cheating Games.



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Hey guys. Just checking in. Kinda quiet on the MD board. How’d the cheater teams do this weekend? Any new guest players this weekend show up on any of the teams? Heard Madlax invited #24 back for a “sneak” preview, along with a few 2023 DCDogs players. Hey, whatever it takes to win a 7th grade lacrosse game, right? By all accounts, none of you cheater teams cheat enough. Honestly, you’re all mediocre teams, and that’s being very kind. Madlax beats lowly hawks by two goals. Big Woop! Just more proof how bad all your cheater teams are.

What?? How did the Island teams do this weekend? They did great, thanks for asking. The Pack went undefeated again at the Tri State LAX Clash against some phenomenal competition. No. Nothing like the cheater teams. These were extremely good teams. The Pack continues to roll. Still undefeated, and still 100% on age. No holdbacks. An unbelievably impressive team. You should see the ball movement on offense, their shut down defense, the brick wall goalie play, and the best faceoff kid in the grade!

We’re off to Denver this weekend for the World Series of Youth Lacrosse to play the very best 2024 teams on the planet. Can’t wait! No subpar cheater teams that dilute the Field of teams. . No, no, no! Only the best teams at this, the finest of all tournaments. Have fun while we’re gone playing each other, in The Cheating Games.



THIS IS NOT A 'PACK PARENT WRITING THIS BS.
dont care who is writing it. Enough already..

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Hey guys. Just checking in. Kinda quiet on the MD board. How’d the cheater teams do this weekend? Any new guest players this weekend show up on any of the teams? Heard Madlax invited #24 back for a “sneak” preview, along with a few 2023 DCDogs players. Hey, whatever it takes to win a 7th grade lacrosse game, right? By all accounts, none of you cheater teams cheat enough. Honestly, you’re all mediocre teams, and that’s being very kind. Madlax beats lowly hawks by two goals. Big Woop! Just more proof how bad all your cheater teams are.

What?? How did the Island teams do this weekend? They did great, thanks for asking. The Pack went undefeated again at the Tri State LAX Clash against some phenomenal competition. No. Nothing like the cheater teams. These were extremely good teams. The Pack continues to roll. Still undefeated, and still 100% on age. No holdbacks. An unbelievably impressive team. You should see the ball movement on offense, their shut down defense, the brick wall goalie play, and the best faceoff kid in the grade!

We’re off to Denver this weekend for the World Series of Youth Lacrosse to play the very best 2024 teams on the planet. Can’t wait! No subpar cheater teams that dilute the Field of teams. . No, no, no! Only the best teams at this, the finest of all tournaments. Have fun while we’re gone playing each other, in The Cheating Games.


When did the best teams in the world start playing in the World Series of Youth Lacrosse? It was always a joke of a $ grab when my kid played in Middle school. The best teams always went between Baltimore and Long Island to play real tournaments against the really best talent.

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Hey guys. Just checking in. Kinda quiet on the MD board. How’d the cheater teams do this weekend? Any new guest players this weekend show up on any of the teams? Heard Madlax invited #24 back for a “sneak” preview, along with a few 2023 DCDogs players. Hey, whatever it takes to win a 7th grade lacrosse game, right? By all accounts, none of you cheater teams cheat enough. Honestly, you’re all mediocre teams, and that’s being very kind. Madlax beats lowly hawks by two goals. Big Woop! Just more proof how bad all your cheater teams are.

What?? How did the Island teams do this weekend? They did great, thanks for asking. The Pack went undefeated again at the Tri State LAX Clash against some phenomenal competition. No. Nothing like the cheater teams. These were extremely good teams. The Pack continues to roll. Still undefeated, and still 100% on age. No holdbacks. An unbelievably impressive team. You should see the ball movement on offense, their shut down defense, the brick wall goalie play, and the best faceoff kid in the grade!

We’re off to Denver this weekend for the World Series of Youth Lacrosse to play the very best 2024 teams on the planet. Can’t wait! No subpar cheater teams that dilute the Field of teams. . No, no, no! Only the best teams at this, the finest of all tournaments. Have fun while we’re gone playing each other, in The Cheating Games.


When did the best teams in the world start playing in the World Series of Youth Lacrosse? It was always a joke of a $ grab when my kid played in Middle school. The best teams always went between Baltimore and Long Island to play real tournaments against the really best talent.



Looking at the U-19 National Team callback roster. Looks about 14-12 Md to LI (eliminated Virginie and upstate NY). Is U-19 age based? How come MD kids did so well when they are all double holdback cheaters (whose advantage will disappear when they finally go on age)? Enjoy Denver and filling up the trophy case...

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Last time I looked, neither Express nor Taz could hang with Madlax or Hawks (and they're supposed to be two of the three best teams on the Island). But at least they came to play. Can't say the same about the Pack. Looking forward to seeing "smoker mom" and overweight Sal and Tony cheering from the sidelines next weekend on ESPN.

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Hey guys. Just checking in. Kinda quiet on the MD board. How’d the cheater teams do this weekend? Any new guest players this weekend show up on any of the teams? Heard Madlax invited #24 back for a “sneak” preview, along with a few 2023 DCDogs players. Hey, whatever it takes to win a 7th grade lacrosse game, right? By all accounts, none of you cheater teams cheat enough. Honestly, you’re all mediocre teams, and that’s being very kind. Madlax beats lowly hawks by two goals. Big Woop! Just more proof how bad all your cheater teams are.

What?? How did the Island teams do this weekend? They did great, thanks for asking. The Pack went undefeated again at the Tri State LAX Clash against some phenomenal competition. No. Nothing like the cheater teams. These were extremely good teams. The Pack continues to roll. Still undefeated, and still 100% on age. No holdbacks. An unbelievably impressive team. You should see the ball movement on offense, their shut down defense, the brick wall goalie play, and the best faceoff kid in the grade!

We’re off to Denver this weekend for the World Series of Youth Lacrosse to play the very best 2024 teams on the planet. Can’t wait! No subpar cheater teams that dilute the Field of teams. . No, no, no! Only the best teams at this, the finest of all tournaments. Have fun while we’re gone playing each other, in The Cheating Games.


When did the best teams in the world start playing in the World Series of Youth Lacrosse? It was always a joke of a $ grab when my kid played in Middle school. The best teams always went between Baltimore and Long Island to play real tournaments against the really best talent.




You need to get out from under that rock, bro, and educate yourself. All of the best 2024 teams in the country are going to be in Denver, and most are FAR, FAR better than your MD cheater teams.

Based on the latest US CLUB LACROSSE rankings for all of 2024 teams, to include all holdback-cheater teams like the MD HOCO teams...

* Of the top 5 ranked 2024 teams in the country, 4 will be at the WSYL. One cheater team, Madlax, is age-ineligible.

* Of the top 10 ranked 2024 team, 7 will be at the WSYL. Three are MD cheater teams and age-ineligible.

* Of the top 15 ranked 2024 teams, 11 teams will be at the WSYL. 4 cheater teams are age ineligible.

* Of the top 20 ranked teams, 14 teams will be at the WSYL. 6 cheater teams are age-ineligible.

* * * * * * * Out of the top 10 ranked teams, only 2 are HOCO cheater teams * * * * * * *

Understand now?? Best teams in 2024 will be in Denver, based on an unbiased ranking system (unbiased... I know, totally unfamiliar territory for MD holdback parents).

Even if the MD cheater teams were age-eligible, most would NOT qualify, simply because they are not good. In fact, most are flat out... bad.

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Last time I looked, neither Express nor Taz could hang with Madlax or Hawks (and they're supposed to be two of the three best teams on the Island). But at least they came to play. Can't say the same about the Pack. Looking forward to seeing "smoker mom" and overweight Sal and Tony cheering from the sidelines next weekend on ESPN.


What were the most recent scores of the Madlax vs Express and Madlax vs Taz games?

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I watched a few games this weekend and saw BL take Mad Lax to over time but got beat in The finals , they had tuff road to go on Sunday Bethesda and BBL won both then mad Lax the older boys on the team just out played a tired team , so I think the World Series could be interesting both BBL and BL have a good shot at it . That WP team should pay attention to that Canada team they are pretty good and big

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You should check your rankings again (I think you were referencing the pre-season rankings). And as you have so eloquently stated in the past, you're only as good as your last game or two. To be more accurate, two of the top three won't be there and three of the top 6 won't. 4 of the top ten won't, and in the last three weeks those 4 have pretty much man handled 5 of the 6 that will be there. But have fun....we'll be watching and waiting for NLF.

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Last time I looked, neither Express nor Taz could hang with Madlax or Hawks (and they're supposed to be two of the three best teams on the Island). But at least they came to play. Can't say the same about the Pack. Looking forward to seeing "smoker mom" and overweight Sal and Tony cheering from the sidelines next weekend on ESPN.


What were the most recent scores of the Madlax vs Express and Madlax vs Taz games?


In final four of Millon 2024 event this past weekend 91 MD beat Hawks in a good game 7-4, Madlax beat Brotherly Love 10-1. In championship Madlax beat 91 MD 8-5, another good game. Adding #24 back in the mix makes Madlax incredibly difficult to beat. See you at UMASS in late July.

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Last time I looked, neither Express nor Taz could hang with Madlax or Hawks (and they're supposed to be two of the three best teams on the Island). But at least they came to play. Can't say the same about the Pack. Looking forward to seeing "smoker mom" and overweight Sal and Tony cheering from the sidelines next weekend on ESPN.


What were the most recent scores of the Madlax vs Express and Madlax vs Taz games?


In final four of Millon 2024 event this past weekend 91 MD beat Hawks in a good game 7-4, Madlax beat Brotherly Love 10-1. In championship Madlax beat 91 MD 8-5, another good game. Adding #24 back in the mix makes Madlax incredibly difficult to beat. See you at UMASS in late July.


Brotherly Love took them to overtime day before. They just do not have the horses to beat a Madlax after 2 prior games in the heat. Small team compared to the others. Correct as well if 24 is back on this team I do not see them losing in big games.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.


I hear ya, and I can promise you I am not a Madlax parent. They (Madlax) haven't lost in a solid year and a half, and this year they picked up two offensive players that are significantly more impactful than #24 has been in the past. This team is much, much different than years past. They have 30 players and the competition they see in MD, DC and VA every weekend is definitely stronger than Express and Legacy.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.


I hear ya, and I can promise you I am not a Madlax parent. They (Madlax) haven't lost in a solid year and a half, and this year they picked up two offensive players that are significantly more impactful than #24 has been in the past. This team is much, much different than years past. They have 30 players and the competition they see in MD, DC and VA every weekend is definitely stronger than Express and Legacy.


I am sorry but I don't see how on age teams can really consistently beat a team like Madlax. Size difference is just too much especially with 2 to 4 games on a Sunday to win the tournament and they are good lax players. I am not bashing holdback's either I get it, but it is just reality a year is a huge difference especially in a 13 or 14 year old. Testosterone the older kids going to be faster and stronger it is just reality. In high school evens out once everyone has hit puberty.

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Madlax was already good and they picked up a bunch of new kids. They picked up two attack that are #19 good. Two mids that are #24 good. And they completely overhauled their defense. They are a completely different team than last year. Most of the kids that started last year are subs this year. I know WP is good too. Guess we will have to wait until NLF to see who is better.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.


I hear ya, and I can promise you I am not a Madlax parent. They (Madlax) haven't lost in a solid year and a half, and this year they picked up two offensive players that are significantly more impactful than #24 has been in the past. This team is much, much different than years past. They have 30 players and the competition they see in MD, DC and VA every weekend is definitely stronger than Express and Legacy.


WP rarely plays Express and Legacy. Having said that, they played Express once this year, and beat them 7-1. Could have been far, far worse. Played Legacy this past weekend, and it looked like WP was playing a very bad B team. The score could have been 20 to nothing, had WP wanted to go that route. WP usually plays the 2023 AA bracket, since few 2024 teams can give them a game. That's where they spend most of their time.
Their only loss of the year, was to an AA 2023 team, which is a top top AA 2023 team. WP came within an inch of winning the game in OT. Played the Hawks, and again, it wasn't a competitive game at all. Madlax just squeaked by the Hawks by 2 goals. Pack plays Hawks, and it's not anything close to a game. All the evidence points to WP beating Madlax by a significant margin. They are on a whole different level this year.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.


I hear ya, and I can promise you I am not a Madlax parent. They (Madlax) haven't lost in a solid year and a half, and this year they picked up two offensive players that are significantly more impactful than #24 has been in the past. This team is much, much different than years past. They have 30 players and the competition they see in MD, DC and VA every weekend is definitely stronger than Express and Legacy.


WP rarely plays Express and Legacy. Having said that, they played Express once this year, and beat them 7-1. Could have been far, far worse. Played Legacy this past weekend, and it looked like WP was playing a very bad B team. The score could have been 20 to nothing, had WP wanted to go that route. WP usually plays the 2023 AA bracket, since few 2024 teams can give them a game. That's where they spend most of their time.
Their only loss of the year, was to an AA 2023 team, which is a top top AA 2023 team. WP came within an inch of winning the game in OT. Played the Hawks, and again, it wasn't a competitive game at all. Madlax just squeaked by the Hawks by 2 goals. Pack plays Hawks, and it's not anything close to a game. All the evidence points to WP beating Madlax by a significant margin. They are on a whole different level this year.


was not a double AA team they they lost to so stop with the garbage. As a team they play very well together . The best player is their face off kid and they have a good defense. Madlax will beat them . Physically the team is not dominant. Not one kid on attack can hang with those big boys, but they are great at moving the ball.

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Madlax was already good and they picked up a bunch of new kids. They picked up two attack that are #19 good. Two mids that are #24 good. And they completely overhauled their defense. They are a completely different team than last year. Most of the kids that started last year are subs this year. I know WP is good too. Guess we will have to wait until NLF to see who is better.


How many holdbacks does Madlax have this year? 6? 10? 14? 18? 24? 30?

Pack has ZERO and crushes every team the Madlax has trouble with. Just ask a Hawk parent. Ask any Long Island parent.

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Madlax was already good and they picked up a bunch of new kids. They picked up two attack that are #19 good. Two mids that are #24 good. And they completely overhauled their defense. They are a completely different team than last year. Most of the kids that started last year are subs this year. I know WP is good too. Guess we will have to wait until NLF to see who is better.


Start thinking up the lame excuses of why the Pack ran the table this year, to include Madlax 2023’s in Amherst. Here are some suggestions:

the sun was in my eyes.
The refs were horrible.
The fields were bad.
My sunburn hurt.
We didn’t have enough holdbacks.
Our holdbacks aren't good lacrosse players.

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Last time I looked, neither Express nor Taz could hang with Madlax or Hawks (and they're supposed to be two of the three best teams on the Island). But at least they came to play. Can't say the same about the Pack. Looking forward to seeing "smoker mom" and overweight Sal and Tony cheering from the sidelines next weekend on ESPN.


What were the most recent scores of the Madlax vs Express and Madlax vs Taz games?


In final four of Millon 2024 event this past weekend 91 MD beat Hawks in a good game 7-4, Madlax beat Brotherly Love 10-1. In championship Madlax beat 91 MD 8-5, another good game. Adding #24 back in the mix makes Madlax incredibly difficult to beat. See you at UMASS in late July.


You forgot to mention the two 2023 DCDogs guest players that played on Madlax this weekend, in addition to the string bean 2023 kid. Yeah, 2023 guest players all the way around for Madlax.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.


I hear ya, and I can promise you I am not a Madlax parent. They (Madlax) haven't lost in a solid year and a half, and this year they picked up two offensive players that are significantly more impactful than #24 has been in the past. This team is much, much different than years past. They have 30 players and the competition they see in MD, DC and VA every weekend is definitely stronger than Express and Legacy.


I am sorry but I don't see how on age teams can really consistently beat a team like Madlax. Size difference is just too much especially with 2 to 4 games on a Sunday to win the tournament and they are good lax players. I am not bashing holdback's either I get it, but it is just reality a year is a huge difference especially in a 13 or 14 year old. Testosterone the older kids going to be faster and stronger it is just reality. In high school evens out once everyone has hit puberty.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.


I hear ya, and I can promise you I am not a Madlax parent. They (Madlax) haven't lost in a solid year and a half, and this year they picked up two offensive players that are significantly more impactful than #24 has been in the past. This team is much, much different than years past. They have 30 players and the competition they see in MD, DC and VA every weekend is definitely stronger than Express and Legacy.


I am sorry but I don't see how on age teams can really consistently beat a team like Madlax. Size difference is just too much especially with 2 to 4 games on a Sunday to win the tournament and they are good lax players. I am not bashing holdback's either I get it, but it is just reality a year is a huge difference especially in a 13 or 14 year old. Testosterone the older kids going to be faster and stronger it is just reality. In high school evens out once everyone has hit puberty.


You would have a very different opinion if you witnessed the carnage when WP systematically dismembered the enormous hawks holdback team. It was one of the worst butt kickings I’ve seen in a very long time, and it was the championship game, so your little theory doesn’t hold any water. At all. In this case, skill beats size/age every time.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.


I hear ya, and I can promise you I am not a Madlax parent. They (Madlax) haven't lost in a solid year and a half, and this year they picked up two offensive players that are significantly more impactful than #24 has been in the past. This team is much, much different than years past. They have 30 players and the competition they see in MD, DC and VA every weekend is definitely stronger than Express and Legacy.


I am sorry but I don't see how on age teams can really consistently beat a team like Madlax. Size difference is just too much especially with 2 to 4 games on a Sunday to win the tournament and they are good lax players. I am not bashing holdback's either I get it, but it is just reality a year is a huge difference especially in a 13 or 14 year old. Testosterone the older kids going to be faster and stronger it is just reality. In high school evens out once everyone has hit puberty.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.


I hear ya, and I can promise you I am not a Madlax parent. They (Madlax) haven't lost in a solid year and a half, and this year they picked up two offensive players that are significantly more impactful than #24 has been in the past. This team is much, much different than years past. They have 30 players and the competition they see in MD, DC and VA every weekend is definitely stronger than Express and Legacy.


I am sorry but I don't see how on age teams can really consistently beat a team like Madlax. Size difference is just too much especially with 2 to 4 games on a Sunday to win the tournament and they are good lax players. I am not bashing holdback's either I get it, but it is just reality a year is a huge difference especially in a 13 or 14 year old. Testosterone the older kids going to be faster and stronger it is just reality. In high school evens out once everyone has hit puberty.


You would have a very different opinion if you witnessed the carnage when WP systematically dismembered the enormous hawks holdback team. It was one of the worst butt kickings I’ve seen in a very long time, and it was the championship game, so your little theory doesn’t hold any water. At all. In this case, skill beats size/age every time.




Actually, WP parents may have a very different opinion if their team left the intentional safety of their LI tournaments bubble and played in the big MD and DE holdback tournaments. Every other LI team showed up at the MD and DE tournaments, but WP this year. Hopefully, the NLF will settle the argument. In my opinion, MadLax all star team just has way too much holdback talent — size, strength, speed and skills. It’s an unfair advantage due to their age, but that’s the regrettable future of lacrosse. After this year, age on lacrosse just becomes increasingly irrelevant and the holdback issue gets way worse heading into 8th grade. WP can stand proudly on principle and place itself on the high pedestal of age on lacrosse, and I’m all for it, but the pressure to win next year against a whole new group of even more 1 and 2 year reclassed kids may be too much to keep a 100% age on team.

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I've watched all these teams play. Madlax may keep the game close but the WP will wear them down over the whole game. Do not compare the Taz or Express and use them as LI examples. The WP dismantles those teams badly. This WP is on another level compared to them. Madlax heavily depends on 2 or 3 kids to handle the work load, the WP has 6 Offensive players that are each as dangerous with the ball as the next. NLF will tell a lot, I am still a MD guy through, but if there was a sports book to the madness. Wager goes on this WP team. To many weapons on the field at one time.

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Madlax was already good and they picked up a bunch of new kids. They picked up two attack that are #19 good. Two mids that are #24 good. And they completely overhauled their defense. They are a completely different team than last year. Most of the kids that started last year are subs this year. I know WP is good too. Guess we will have to wait until NLF to see who is better.



Whats with the #'s. Every starter on that WP is as good as #19 and #24. You use these boys as examples of greatness...The whole WP attack is as good as #19 and the new boys and # 24 is not better than any of the WP middies. I've seen the teams, those boys are good but by no means any better than any of the WP starters. Get a grip

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I’m sorry, but if Madlax added some older talent and size, there is no way WP wins. As skilled as they are they are still very very small all around. Plus, I’m sure you can count on some guest players for Madlax, especially if WP wins World Series. The crazy Madlax coach will not lose to them, no matter what.

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Madlax was already good and they picked up a bunch of new kids. They picked up two attack that are #19 good. Two mids that are #24 good. And they completely overhauled their defense. They are a completely different team than last year. Most of the kids that started last year are subs this year. I know WP is good too. Guess we will have to wait until NLF to see who is better.



Whats with the #'s. Every starter on that WP is as good as #19 and #24. You use these boys as examples of greatness...The whole WP attack is as good as #19 and the new boys and # 24 is not better than any of the WP middies. I've seen the teams, those boys are good but by no means any better than any of the WP starters. Get a grip
sry, but they are not. its ok. and you were sub par without your new f/o mid and other middie. Team is good, just deflate your head . its 7th grade.

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Madlax was already good and they picked up a bunch of new kids. They picked up two attack that are #19 good. Two mids that are #24 good. And they completely overhauled their defense. They are a completely different team than last year. Most of the kids that started last year are subs this year. I know WP is good too. Guess we will have to wait until NLF to see who is better.



Whats with the #'s. Every starter on that WP is as good as #19 and #24. You use these boys as examples of greatness...The whole WP attack is as good as #19 and the new boys and # 24 is not better than any of the WP middies. I've seen the teams, those boys are good but by no means any better than any of the WP starters. Get a grip
sry, but they are not. its ok. and you were sub par without your new f/o mid and other middie. Team is good, just deflate your head . its 7th grade.

Madlax added two offensive players that are significantly better than the two you mentioned.

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Madlax was already good and they picked up a bunch of new kids. They picked up two attack that are #19 good. Two mids that are #24 good. And they completely overhauled their defense. They are a completely different team than last year. Most of the kids that started last year are subs this year. I know WP is good too. Guess we will have to wait until NLF to see who is better.



Whats with the #'s. Every starter on that WP is as good as #19 and #24. You use these boys as examples of greatness...The whole WP attack is as good as #19 and the new boys and # 24 is not better than any of the WP middies. I've seen the teams, those boys are good but by no means any better than any of the WP starters. Get a grip
sry, but they are not. its ok. and you were sub par without your new f/o mid and other middie. Team is good, just deflate your head . its 7th grade.



Hahaha DC trash. Those boys are no better than anyone on that WP team. Team was a 800 plus team before those new middies. Now they are even better. Your boys are no better than any starter on the WP team.

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Anyone know if any 100% age on team was able to hold it together successfully and exist as a purely age on team after the year they competed in the World Series? Will this be WP’s one and done 100% age on swan song this year? Seems like many of the World Series teams this year already have a larger team with holdbacks that will be their regular team next year. Good luck WP, many of us agree with your position on the ethics of holding back kids just to move off the second line in 2023 (or 2022?) to play on the first line on 2024.

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WP is full of competent system players. Their #22 is next level and as big as any player on the so called "cheater teams". Mad Lax will win by 3-4 if they play, but wouldn't be surprised to see WP lose in WSYL or NLF to a team that plays disciplined defense and patient offense.

More interesting will be watching the lunatic "everything that is wrong with club lax" coach of Mad Lax get into a verbal altercation with the meat stick blow hard coach for WP.

Good luck to the refs if that happens.

Save it Sal, go groom your mustache.

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Seen all these teams play the past couple of months. From MD to LI. No one is beating this Wolfpack team. You can trash me and I'm a MD guy. The teams in our area shoot it out against each other. Great games back and forth and the match-ups are great. But I have watched this Wolfpack dismantle teams over a whole game. You might get the jump on them at first, but they simply wear teams down. Their first lines across the board are ridiculously talented and there is very little drop off from there. Their secret in my view is they are very unselfish lacrosse players. I watched their attack make the extra pass when there didn't look like there was one there, The middies are work horses and the defense and goalie play very in tune with each other. Not a LI fan but this Lax team is legit. Bash all you want and that fine, but credit is due where its due.


I hear ya, and I can promise you I am not a Madlax parent. They (Madlax) haven't lost in a solid year and a half, and this year they picked up two offensive players that are significantly more impactful than #24 has been in the past. This team is much, much different than years past. They have 30 players and the competition they see in MD, DC and VA every weekend is definitely stronger than Express and Legacy.


WP rarely plays Express and Legacy. Having said that, they played Express once this year, and beat them 7-1. Could have been far, far worse. Played Legacy this past weekend, and it looked like WP was playing a very bad B team. The score could have been 20 to nothing, had WP wanted to go that route. WP usually plays the 2023 AA bracket, since few 2024 teams can give them a game. That's where they spend most of their time.
Their only loss of the year, was to an AA 2023 team, which is a top top AA 2023 team. WP came within an inch of winning the game in OT. Played the Hawks, and again, it wasn't a competitive game at all. Madlax just squeaked by the Hawks by 2 goals. Pack plays Hawks, and it's not anything close to a game. All the evidence points to WP beating Madlax by a significant margin. They are on a whole different level this year.


was not a double AA team they they lost to so stop with the garbage. As a team they play very well together . The best player is their face off kid and they have a good defense. Madlax will beat them . Physically the team is not dominant. Not one kid on attack can hang with those big boys, but they are great at moving the ball.


BBL 2023 is a top AA team. All top AA teams struggle against them. Do your homework.

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I’m sorry, but if Madlax added some older talent and size, there is no way WP wins. As skilled as they are they are still very very small all around. Plus, I’m sure you can count on some guest players for Madlax, especially if WP wins World Series. The crazy Madlax coach will not lose to them, no matter what.


You keep saying the same dumb things, but the facts support the contrary. Every team that Madlax has trouble with, WP embarrasses. That’s a fact. You say they can’t hang against bigger older teams after they get worn down, but the facts don’t support that. They’ve been playing bigger and far older 2024 teams all Spring and they win all games and very few games are remotely close. Cant hang against bigger stronger older teams, because they will be worn down? Ask ANY Hawk parent about that baseless theory. They are sure to give you an earful. After playing an entire tourney, they face the Hawks and completely embarrass them. Taz and Express give Madlax competitive games. Against the Pack, these teams aren’t competitive at all. Get your head out of the sand and face the “facts”. All factual indicators point to Pack as being the best team at 2024. Obviously the lacrosse experts at INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine and US CLUB LACROSSE agree since both rank them as #1 in 2024. Yup. When judging based on fact, the choice is clear.

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