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Hot Bed Changes : LI Suffers Recruiting Drop, NJ Sees Growth #52365
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On January 30th, an article was circulated in a major publication citing that recruitment from traditional hotbed locations had dropped with the entering collegiate Class of 2017.

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While New [lacrosse], Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusettes, Connecticut and Washington DC account for 57.9% of the current Division I players, the incoming class only sees 54.8% of players from these same regions.

Is this a cause for concern? Well, if you are from Long Island, you cannot help but to notice the drop from 13.9% to 12.0% removing nearly 1/7th of the total. Could we be at the tipping point of the shift in regional representation?

On the flip side, New Jersey has seen growth in the same volume, percertage-wise.

Long Islanders and New Jersey residents should be very aware of this year's trend.

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Re: Hot Bed Changes : LI Suffers Recruiting Drop, NJ Sees Growth [Re: CageSage] #52366
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can you supply womens d1 numbers?

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Re: Hot Bed Changes : LI Suffers Recruiting Drop, NJ Sees Growth [Re: CageSage] #52367
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Don't these numbers look artificially low for Baltimore and Maryland? I would have assumed that Bmore/Md would have been closer to LI's percentages. Not based on any knowledge of the statistics, but just a gut feel. Would be interesting to audit these reported figures.

Regardless, Cage, your point is taken that LI (and other hotbeds) had best beware, because the sport is growing elsewhere.

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can you supply womens d1 numbers?
BOTC does not have access to the database of players, commitments and hometowns which could allow us to do our own research for the women's game.

That said, I would be surprised if the trends were radically different. Should we see any such data emerge, we will share it.

Similarly, we call on the community to share any data points in the press that are published covering the WLAX Division I numbers.

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Re: Hot Bed Changes : LI Suffers Recruiting Drop, NJ Sees Growth [Re: CageSage] #52377
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The decline will be compounded by the "Power Programs" on long island trying to force kids to "Stay Home". The Towns that are attempting to restrict players will ultimately hurt their programs.

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Re: Hot Bed Changes : LI Suffers Recruiting Drop, NJ Sees Growth [Re: Anonymous] #52379
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What about D2 and D3? Often they are far better academically anyway. Isn't that the goal here....education. Just my 2 cents.

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Is this a cause for concern? Maybe. But, 13.9% of Div 1 players are from the area. This means that LI dominates the sport at the college level. I am sure there are ebbs and flows, just like with any statistic. The development of the club scene on Long Island will only further bolster our standing as the place for lax recruits. As the game grows nationally, it is a good thing that other areas in the US and Canada increase their recruitment into top level lacrosse. The game is only getting bigger. We should actually celebrate these numbers--unless u are a Baltimoron.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What about D2 and D3? Often they are far better academically anyway. Isn't that the goal here....education. Just my 2 cents.


D2?? Maybe D3. That would be the logical 2nd choice if not recruited by a top D1

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I wouldn't sound the alarms just yet for several reasons.

-It is not apples to apples - The comparison is full player population vs. a single freshman class. Better statistics would be to compare classes at points in time (eg. Class of 2013 as Freshmen vs Class of 2017 as Freshman). Different region's players are more likely to stick around on a lacrosse roster longer.

-The class of 2017 is unique in that there are several new programs outside the traditional LI collegiate interest area. For example Furman has 45 Freshmen on its' roster of 50+. This alone will muddy the statistics.

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Originally Posted by tennesseejed
Is this a cause for concern? Maybe. But, 13.9% of Div 1 players are from the area. This means that LI dominates the sport at the college level. I am sure there are ebbs and flows, just like with any statistic. The development of the club scene on Long Island will only further bolster our standing as the place for lax recruits. As the game grows nationally, it is a good thing that other areas in the US and Canada increase their recruitment into top level lacrosse. The game is only getting bigger. We should actually celebrate these numbers--unless u are a Baltimoron.
Typically, there are approximately 950 NCAA Division I spots on offer to a class in any given year based on the 67 institutions now playing Division I MLAX.

If there was a 1.9% decrease in Long Island's presentation in that pool, that translates to 18 offers. (950 x 0.019) In this sample, Long Island had 115 placed recruits in total.

BOTC would disagree with your assertion that the club scene will bolster these numbers in years to come. If you believe that club lacrosse is the lynchpin in player growth, note that we have had a well established club scene here for the last decade - so have New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. It is areas outside the traditional hotbeds that are now just growing their club scene.

So, if you are correct that the club scene will bolster numbers through training, it only serves to reason that non-hotbed areas will see continued growth at the expense of the traditional hotbeds.

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Originally Posted by CageSage
On January 30th, an article was circulated in a major publication citing that recruitment from traditional hotbed locations had dropped with the entering collegiate Class of 2017.

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While New [lacrosse], Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusettes, Connecticut and Washington DC account for 57.9% of the current Division I players, the incoming class only sees 54.8% of players from these same regions.

Is this a cause for concern? Well, if you are from Long Island, you cannot help but to notice the drop from 13.9% to 12.0% removing nearly 1/7th of the total. Could we be at the tipping point of the shift in regional representation?

On the flip side, New Jersey has seen growth in the same volume, percertage-wise.

Long Islanders and New Jersey residents should be very aware of this year's trend.


This was obviously coming and should NOT be a surprise to anyone. As the sport grows throughout the country, the numbers in the areas where lax was less existent will increase and the areas where it was dominant will drop.

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True, but the coaches here on Long Island are top notch. Between clubs and high school, the coaches here are the tops in the country. Many of the top D1 college coaches hail from the island.(Petro, Starsia, Tierney, Cassesse, etc.) More importantly, many of the O and Def. Coordinators are from the island. These are the guys that do a large part of the recruiting. Look at the number of D1 All Americans that come from here.
I have many teammates from college that are from Balt and Phila. and have talked to them about the club scenes, and Long Island gets it going at the club level earlier.
One year does not make it a trend.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
On January 30th, an article was circulated in a major publication citing that recruitment from traditional hotbed locations had dropped with the entering collegiate Class of 2017.

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While New [lacrosse], Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusettes, Connecticut and Washington DC account for 57.9% of the current Division I players, the incoming class only sees 54.8% of players from these same regions.

Is this a cause for concern? Well, if you are from Long Island, you cannot help but to notice the drop from 13.9% to 12.0% removing nearly 1/7th of the total. Could we be at the tipping point of the shift in regional representation?

On the flip side, New Jersey has seen growth in the same volume, percertage-wise.

Long Islanders and New Jersey residents should be very aware of this year's trend.


This was obviously coming and should NOT be a surprise to anyone. As the sport grows throughout the country, the numbers in the areas where lax was less existent will increase and the areas where it was dominant will drop.


Agreed, I am not sure id be to concerned with %. % can sometimes be misleading. I would be more interested in the "real" numbers these % represent. The numbers tell you the facts, % tell you a story.

I would also be interested to see in groups of 2 graduating years how many players from LI are in D1. Did the numbers of players go down or did the number of players go up (just not at the same rate as the rest of the country)?

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I would also be interested to see in groups of 2 graduating years how many players from LI are in D1. Did the numbers of players go down or did the number of players go up (just not at the same rate as the rest of the country)?
The collegiate Class of 2017 (High School graduating Class of 2013) contained 115 Long Islanders attending NCAA Division I Lacrosse programs based on the data available. This represents an absolute drop of more than one dozen positions from the previous year.

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I would also be interested to see in groups of 2 graduating years how many players from LI are in D1. Did the numbers of players go down or did the number of players go up (just not at the same rate as the rest of the country)?
The collegiate Class of 2017 (High School graduating Class of 2013) contained 115 Long Islanders attending NCAA Division I Lacrosse programs based on the data available. This represents an absolute drop of more than one dozen positions from the previous year.


That is a lot

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