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This explanation sounds reasonable to me. Question to the Predator/ProStart who posted earlier that she/he is 100% sure the roster changed for playoffs - does this resolve your concerns?

Your son isn’t the 3rd or 4th best face off kid in the division.

In lacrosse every game is on video, a thousand people are taking pictures....it does not seem difficult to prove if someone is using players that are not on the same team as the regular season. There is a reason they were roster checked for the championship game, and then lost. I am no rocket scientist but....

Can we just get back to bashing holdbacks please?

I wish the change would apply to 28s. In Hoco next year, jumbo lump will field his oldest and most geographically diverse team ever after the 27s couldn’t get it done and BL races to fill its dorm. For existing teams (this years version) with June as the cutoff, hypothetically ML would lose one well documented player and maybe another. FCA would lose 3-4, NL at least 3, Crabs 2-3 and I don’t think BLC, Hawks or 91 would lose any since July is the sideline chatter as the oldest current players on those teams. As a parent of a 28 and older kids, this change is welcome and will help the sport but a shame the impact on 28 will be limited.

I think it depends on the kid’s speed. If your kid has elite speed, then there is no question in my mind that playing midfield is the easiest way to get recruited because teams need a ton of midfielders both offense and defense with speed.

If your kid does not have elite speed, then I would say getting recruited as FOGO is probably the better bet. FOGO though is hard to tell who is good until high school. That is, the elite FOGOs at 7th grade don’t translate reliably to elite high school players as say really fast middies do.

In general, the flow chart for recruiting looks like this:

Is your kid one of the 10-20 fastest kids in HoCo elite? Yes, have them play midfield unless their stick skills are top level or they are really small. If the latter, consider attack.

Does your kid have above average size and above average, but not elite speed? Consider moving them to pole (if stick skills are mid) and attack (if stick skills are top notch and they can take a beating)

Does your kid have average speed and average size for HoCo elite? goalie and Fogo are probably the best and maybe only options for college.

Does you kid have below average speed? Just have fun unless you are a goalie. No chance of being recruited unless really really huge or one of those rare attackman like Matt Rambo that can make this work. These players exist but are very very rare.

You are absolutely right. Teams like the crabs will look totally different next year. I was shocked when I saw the 27s.

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You are not anonymous. Watch the personal accusations as they are admissible as evidence.

That's great advice. He has above average speed and top 10% size/height. Better speed in space than quickness in tight spots hence gravitation towards midfield. He's a very physical and reliable defensive mid. Very good stick skills.... he's a strong box player.

FCA would not lose 3-4.

You know nothing and stop spreading lies when you have zero factual knowledge.

Clown.

It's just speculation and wishful thinking by a Dad who's tired of watching his son's team get embarassed by FCA/NL/Crabs.

You are underestimating the number of holdbacks on each of these teams. This is one topic where sideline chatter is almost certain to be inaccurate. But, more importantly, you are over-estimating the effect on your own player of removing holdbacks. Due to kids hitting grown spurts at different times, there always will be players in 7th and 8th grade who are on-age, but are exceptionally big, strong, and aggressive. Plus there will be fly-ins, and unfortunately there will always be some degree of cheating, whether real or imaginary. Holdbacks are the bogeyman behind the curtain that parents blame for the fact that their son, who used to be a superstar in grades 3-6, becomes ordinary in grades 7-8 because other kids, for whatever reason, have surpassed him. On age kids who have always been superstars and continue that in grades 7 - 8 are not the ones whose parents on this forum complain about holdbacks. Rather, those parents are happy to brag that their on age son enjoys the competition of matching up and beating the holdbacks. If your son is an average, on-age player in the elite division who is currently getting run over by holdbacks, taking away the holdbacks will not make him shoot up to the top. In other words, if he is struggling against holdbacks, there are plenty of on age kids that he will struggle against too. But this is a moot discussion because the holdbacks are here to stay in the 2028 class, so get used to it.

Cheating at AA? Any consequences for the Elite team?

Enough already. It’s over, no proof, and it’s AA. Start a new board for NL Red Roster Check

Annapolis Hawks 2028 would lose 1 player by the new NLF standard--- a backup long pole. Nobody else would have to change.

I’m not sure why we’re still taking about this let alone getting angry about it. It’s not even like it’s a rumor anymore. The change will definitely not impact the 28s. It’s silly to try and figure out how many boys on each team would have to leave. The holdback conversation should be officially over - at least for the 2028 group.

Does it affect a current 2028 looking to repeat 7th or 8th grade?

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Weekly reminder that Cabel Maddux is a donk and a clown and a tier one joke if your son plays for madlax are you feeding into the craziness should consider joining Blc,dc express rockfish ETC.

Oh and Cabal remind your son to hit the wall if he doesn't want to end up like your other sons


#NOT A ROCKFISH DAD

Are you really posting articles from 2013?

Yes. Give it up.

somethings just dont change fool

You’d think he might learn to change his ways… yet he has digressed, worse than he was in 2013. Complete clown. Someone comes into the club scene in DC they will eat his lunch. It’s there for the taking.

Connor Shellenberger is incredible. Consider that he’s a 30 yr old running with all these twenty somethings.

You are a clown. CM is as well while living in a fantasy world. 2013 doesn't change who he is and all of the parents that have sacrificed their son should rethink parenthood. He doesn't care about your or your child. He actually is very open about it however people will do whatever for their kids to have "status" and a $3,000 scholarship to Middlebury.

Just curious to know thoughts. Anyone think it’s possible that the top teams in Elite are out coaching the bottom teams, rather than simply having significantly better skill? Like, could one of the bottom elite teams make a coaching change that fixes everything and find success with the same crew?

I think you'll find a few key factors:

- how much practice time. twice a week starting in March or 3 times a week starting in Jan as a team.
- efficient practice time. No standing around, working it, on a schedule, marking where things are working or not working.
- can the coach hold players accountable and make change.
- raising players lax iq to handle game situations. Do they back each other up? Can they change the play?

You can have better coaching. Many teams do not however increase their practice time and do not hold their players accountable to change. If the same kid who does a hero run, loses the ball, gets put out again as a starter that's poor coaching.

So you're at bottom trying to get better. But your competition, teams like the Hawks, are practicing 2-3 times as much over a year. If they're that good, only getting better, and you do less how can you be as good. The coaches have certain amount of control over this and they're limited by their resources: players, time. I've seen clubs demand coaches keep certain players on and play them.

If your club isn't supportive I'd say that's when parents need to speak up to get more. In some cases I've helped pay for extra practice times and clinics.

No. It’s talent level, but athleticism is about to catch up with talent. Some
Elite teams are good because they’ve been together for 4-5 years, but u less they’re attracting new athletes, they’ll drop. The kids in lower levels who blossom athletically will be discovered. But as a group— the talent level is pretty different between, say, Hawks and BLC. very different.